[08:52] <dholbach> good morning
[15:20] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: I notice that the project is building again, did you fix it?
[15:25] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: Yes
[15:25] <StevenK> Yesterday, in fact
[15:25] <ToddBrandt> awesome!
[15:25] <ToddBrandt> Did those two updates to cairo and pango I made hurt or help?
[15:26] <StevenK> cairo didn't help, I had to replace it
[15:27] <ToddBrandt> to 1.6.0?
[15:27] <StevenK> Yup
[15:27] <ToddBrandt> is there a primer somewhere that can help well-meaning individuals such as me correct problems rather than exacerbating them wrt the PPA dependencies?
[15:29] <StevenK> All I did was try and install hildon-desktop, drilling down the dependancies until I figured out that pango couldn't be installed because the version of cairo that was available was too old
[15:30] <ToddBrandt> yea, that's what I did, I started with cairo, and it seemed to work, but then when I installed pango it pushed the version needed for cairo up
[15:31] <ToddBrandt> Where are you supposed to get the version info? From the source of the package in the debian/control file?
[15:32] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: this is the latest error, it happens in the installation of the target fsets:
[15:33] <ToddBrandt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:33] <ToddBrandt>   telepathy-core: Depends: telepathy-haze but it is not going to be installed
[15:33] <ToddBrandt>   ubuntu-mobile: Depends: icedtea-gcjwebplugin but it is not installable
[15:33] <ToddBrandt>                  Depends: pidgin-maemo but it is not going to be installed
[15:33] <StevenK> Your version of MIC is trying to install telepathy
[15:34] <StevenK> The version in Hardy doesn't do that
[15:34] <ToddBrandt> yea, MIC puts more on there than canonical expects I think
[15:35] <ToddBrandt> I'll try to fix those deps, at least with those I can only screw up an fset rather than the image
[15:35] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: The problem is telepathy in the gnome-mobile fset
[15:35] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: Remove the 3(?) telepathy packages, and it should sort itself out
[15:36] <smagoun> StevenK: The telepathy problem burned us (MSG) too, it would have been nice if you had warned us about the change. 
[15:38] <StevenK> They were unexpected
[15:38] <StevenK> I wasn't aware telepathy dragged in pidgin-data
[15:38] <StevenK> Until it blew up in my face
[15:56] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: smagoun : The problem isn't with telepathy in the target build apparantly, it's ubuntu-mobile. And when ubuntu-mobile is in the list of packages it futzes up telepathy as well.
[15:56] <ToddBrandt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:56] <ToddBrandt>   ubuntu-mobile: Depends: icedtea-gcjwebplugin but it is not installable
[15:56] <ToddBrandt>                  Depends: pidgin-maemo but it is not going to be installed
[15:57] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: Which is caused by telepathy. pidgin-maemo tries to install pidgin-maemo-data, which conflicts with pidgin-data
[16:10] <ToddBrandt> great
[16:21] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: so a tentative solution is to remove telepathy-core and telepathy-mission-control from the gnome-mobile fset?
[16:21] <ToddBrandt> I'm trying to test moblin-applets so I couldn't care less about any of the apps
[16:22] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: telepathy-core and telepathy-mission-control are just libraries.
[16:22] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: They were used by moblin-chat, but we don't install that, and haven't for a while.
[16:22] <ToddBrandt> good, thanks
[16:22] <ToddBrandt> that's what I'll do then
[20:50] <bouncy`> hi, i'm looking for a speaker covering ubuntu mobile
[20:50] <bouncy`> it is for a scandinavian developers' conference in novemebr
[20:50] <bouncy`> any suggestions on whom i can contact?
[21:18] <agoliveira> bouncy`: Hi. I'm from the UME team. Can I help you?
[21:21] <agoliveira> bouncy`: UME = Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded
[23:12] <lool> bouncy`: Could you send an email to the mailing-list?