[00:57] <oem> stroganoff, i'm sorry i got pulled away earlier.  still trying to fix this problem with my terminal crashing; you suggested it is prolly a problem with my vidcard which might be fixed by changing by changing def depth to 16 in xorg.conf.  anyways i have xterm open now, can you tell me the ezact command line to get into the file please?
[00:58] <Stroganoff> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:58] <oem> oh, thank you, thank you... stay with me if you can! :) i kind of dumb inside the term (and outside).
[01:04] <oem> ok, so when i get to the 'screen' section, i am observing that 'default depth' is set to 24.  beyond that subsections have different depth settings.  you only want me to change the 'Default' one tho, correct?
[01:05] <oem> stroganoff, one is set to 1, one to 4, 8, 15, 16, and the one in last subsection set to 24.
[01:05] <Stroganoff> changing DefaultDepth should suffice
[01:08] <oem> ok, and then i just 'save' the mousepad file?
[01:08] <Stroganoff> yes
[01:09] <oem> then the test will be whether the screen continues to crash,i guess
[01:10] <Stroganoff> press ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X (so the change gets applied)
[01:11] <oem> is there any danger in hitting 'save' button twice?  i'm not sure if it registered... :(
[01:11] <Stroganoff> no there's no danger
[01:11] <oem> ok
[01:12] <oem> then control/alt/backspace is to close mousepad?  or do i just x out of mousepad?
[01:13] <Stroganoff> heh
[01:16] <oem> Stroganoff! It works!  accessory terminal opens fine now, no crash.  Thanx!
[01:16] <Stroganoff> i hope this fixes ur long term crash too
[01:17] <oem> ya, i hope.  you remembered i told you about the infrequent and irregular spontaneous crashes.  you good.
[01:17] <oem> that was six hours ago.
[01:18] <Stroganoff> ;)
[01:19] <oem> :)
[01:21] <oem> i should go check my mail, i have 1425 unread messages in my inbox.  arrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh.  gotta drop some of those lists, but they keep me so UNinformed that i'm loath to leave them.  lol.
[01:50] <oem> stroganoff, i wonder if it coould be a similar problem with my friend's machine which is running ubuntu.  on that box, he gets a slowly ever degrading screen until it's practically unreadable.  sometimes a reboot will 'fix' it temporarily, and sometimes the reboot comes up just as bad.  any ideas?
[01:51] <Stroganoff> might be related
[01:51] <oem> i don't think he has a monitor problem, because it occured on another monitor as well.
[01:52] <oem> i will be up in daytona beach at his house this week, will try to check in here then...
[01:52] <Stroganoff> do you know what gfx card he has got?
[01:53] <oem> nah, guess no point trying to think about it now, i still haven't convinced him that its safe to visit a chat room. lol.
[01:55] <Stroganoff> hahaha
[01:55] <Joeseph> what's the best way to view a windows network? I know how to do it in gnome, but I'm running xfce
[01:55] <Stroganoff> is he afraid of hackers and pedophiles? D
[01:56] <Stroganoff> Joeseph: FuseSMB http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[02:00] <Joeseph> thanks: following it now Stroganoff
[02:07] <Joeseph> alrighty.... I cam to  "6) Create a directory that you are going to mount your network browse to... I used /media/network"
[02:07] <Joeseph> I want to use the same folder.... how do I make it there?
[02:07] <Stroganoff> sudo mkdir /media/network
[02:08] <Stroganoff> sudo chown `whoami`:fuse /media/network/
[02:08] <Joeseph> thank you
[02:08] <Joeseph> 'whoami' is my username?
[02:08] <Stroganoff> i gets translated to your username if you use these special quotes (i dont know their names)
[02:09] <Stroganoff> these quotes just embedd a command. "whoami" is a command that prints out your username
[02:09] <Stroganoff> in other words: yes
[02:13] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: backticks
[02:13] <Stroganoff> +1
[02:13] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: you can use $(...) instead of `...`, its more readable
[03:00] <Joeseph> ummm I followed the tutorial at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131 for windows browsing network..... nothing happened... it's an empty folder
[03:00] <Joeseph> any help?
[03:04] <Joeseph> any ideas?
[03:05] <Joeseph> fusesmb brings the error no mountpoint
[03:10] <Joeseph> and sudo fusesmb /media/network says I don't have access
[03:31] <Joeseph> alright.... I'll just use nautilus....
[03:32] <Joeseph> ummmmm   anyone want to help me with my speaker problems?
[03:32] <Joeseph> soundcard issues rather... one day it just stopped playing.... works in my xp though
[03:41] <mungewell> hi all. Trying out beta, which directories do I have to clear out to get a 'clean' user profile (want to keep existing home dir).
[13:48] <emil> salut cine a facut cursul fundamentals of unix?
[13:49] <TheSheep> !fr | emil
[13:49] <ubotu> emil: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[13:51] <emil> qui fait le course fundamentals of unix?
[13:54] <Iskr> !de
[13:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:54] <Iskr> !es
[13:54] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:55] <Iskr> !en
[13:55] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[14:04] <overrider> hi, is there a way i can make apt-get upgrade honor the export HTTP_PROXY=127.0.0.1:9099 variable i set? thanks
[14:04] <emil> hi who made the course fundamentals of unix?
[14:06] <TheSheep> emil: unix was developed by the Bell Labs, but not sure what course you're refering to
[14:07] <emil> course cisco  sun&
[14:08] <emil> course cisco&sun
[14:08] <TheSheep> no idea
[14:08] <TheSheep> maybe write to them and ask
[14:08] <emil> is international course
[14:15] <overrider> does anyone know how to configure apt-get to use proxy? i cant download updates otherwise. :-(
[14:18] <TheSheep> overrider: you can try looking into /etc/apt
[14:19] <TheSheep> overrider: reading apt.conf can give you some insight too
[14:19] <TheSheep> man apt.conf
[14:19] <TheSheep> I mean
[14:20] <TheSheep> press / and the type proxy to search for proxy in it
[14:23] <overrider> thanks TheSheep, actually exporting this thing using lowercase variable name has worked. which totally throws me off, as i think they should all be uppercase. thought wrong.
[14:23] <coach_z> I just  installed xubuntu and i have two 'drives' mounted on my HD that are not related to any drives that i have and they also cannot be opened or mounted
[14:24] <TheSheep> coach_z: how are they named?
[14:24] <coach_z> 230M Removable Volume and 1K removable volume
[14:25] <TheSheep> coach_z: can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l'?
[14:25] <TheSheep> (this command lists all partitions of all disks)
[14:25] <coach_z> what you mean by pastebin?
[14:25] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[14:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:29] <coach_z> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63306/
[14:29] <coach_z> i have 5 actual drives hooked up to this computer that all showed up fine when i was using ubuntu last week
[14:30] <coach_z> 2 usb 2 sata 1firewire drive
[14:31] <Helsu> I've installed Xubuntu now, but Azureus crashes on it.
[14:31] <Helsu> Is this a general problem?
[14:31] <Helsu> I don't really get an error
[14:31] <TheSheep> coach_z: this is weird
[14:32] <TheSheep> coach_z: I have no idea where those drives could come from
[14:33] <coach_z> TheSheep: neither do i, esp because they were not there last week in ubuntu
[14:33] <TheSheep> coach_z: my goess is that it detected the sdc device that doesn't have any partitions
[14:33] <totalwormface> Helsu: try starting up azureus from the terminal, it may spit out some information about your problem :]
[14:33] <Helsu> How?
[14:33] <TheSheep> Helsu: open terminal and type 'azureus' in it
[14:33] <totalwormface> Helsu: start a terminal and type in 'azureus'
[14:34] <gNewPower> Hi everybody, I need some help to edit menus in Xubuntu.  I thought that I could use the GNOME menu editor, but that did not work.  Is there any outside application which makes it possible to edit menus in Xubuntu without using the (useless and dangerous) Xubuntu menu editor?
[14:35] <TheSheep> gNewPower: yes, text editor
[14:35] <gNewPower> really? which file do I edit?
[14:35] <TheSheep> gNewPower: xfce adheres to the freedesktop.org menu file specification, the format is described inthere
[14:36] <TheSheep> gNewPower: usually you copy the entries you want to edit from /usr/share/applications to your local ~/.local/share/applications and edit them to suit your needs
[14:36] <Helsu> right, it was an unexpected java error
[14:36] <gNewPower> is ~/.local/share/application the file which is used by the Xubuntu menu?
[14:37] <TheSheep> gNewPower: no, it's a directory
[14:38] <TheSheep> gNewPower: the menu is assembled from files in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[14:38] <gNewPower> TheSheep: yes, I see it. which file does the Xubuntu menu use?
[14:38] <gNewPower> or does it read the directory itself?
[14:39] <TheSheep> it reads all the files
[14:39] <TheSheep> how it assembles them depends on their content
[14:39] <totalwormface> Helsu: there's no more info then that?
[14:39] <Helsu> Well there was lots of information, but nothing I could make out
[14:40] <gNewPower> TheSheep: Jeez, is there not a less labor intensive way for me to go about fixing this?  For example, I installed Konqueror as a file browser. but while the GNOME menu sees it, the Xubuntu does not.
[14:41] <TheSheep> gNewPower: that's because the /usr/share/applications/konqueror.desktop file has a line that says 'onlyshowin: KDE'
[14:41] <totalwormface> Helsu: you can try to look for something similar in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=azureus&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[14:41]  * TheSheep faints
[14:41]  * totalwormface didn't realise that url was so long ;P
[14:41] <gNewPower> TheSheep: I see.  Is there no one ap which can allow me to fix all this?
[14:42] <coobra> omg
[14:42] <coobra> kenyrunner long url
[14:42] <TheSheep> gNewPower: text editor
[14:42] <TheSheep> gNewPower: that's one app
[14:42] <homebrewcider> hey there, any way I can get my thunar file manager page to open full screen every time?
[14:43] <gNewPower> TheSheep: I was hoping for something more specialized in menus so I would not have to read each entry in  ~/.local/share/application one by one
[14:46] <Helsu> Hmm I'm not really interested in doing much error searching
[14:46] <Helsu> if it doesn't work I'll just get another distro
[14:46] <Helsu> or windows
[14:48] <cody-somerville> Helsu, Whats your problem?
[14:48] <Helsu> Right now it is getting a torrent client up that has a web interface, Azureus keeps crashing
[14:49] <Helsu> at first it ran fine
[14:49] <Helsu> then after a reboot or so, it crashes after a few secounds
[14:49] <cody-somerville> Helsu, What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[14:49] <Helsu> the newest
[14:49] <Helsu> I just installed the hardware for my server
[14:49] <cody-somerville> By newest, do you mean the development version or the latest stable release?
[14:49] <Helsu> latest stable
[15:05] <Helsu> i'll try to install ubuntu, if that doesn't work i'll go for fedora
[15:10] <cody-somerville> sorry, I got distracted :)
[15:10] <cody-somerville> Can you open up the terminal and launch Azureus from there? It should give us the error message.
[15:11] <Helsu> yeah
[15:11] <Helsu> but hmm
[15:11] <Helsu> i'm on my vista computer now
[15:11] <Helsu> i only have one network cable here
[15:11] <Helsu> to this room
[15:11] <Helsu> i might try to install it in vmware
[15:11] <Helsu> then copy/paste it
[15:16] <Hels1> Ok I'm in Xubuntu now
[15:16] <Hels1> http://pastebin.com/d6e8dc561
[15:17] <homebrewcider> hey all, I've screwed something up, any application that I open has no title bar at the top
[15:18] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: you need to start xfwm4
[15:18] <Hels1> I really wish you'd make some way you could execute files rather than this packkage system, I think it is _really_ confusing when you encounter something not in the default package manager. Fedora has fixed it nicely.
[15:19] <TheSheep> Hels1: it's hard to have it both flexible and automatically updated
[15:19] <TheSheep> Hels1: with the current system, the applications are supposed to come with their own .desktop files
[15:22] <Hels1> Cody?
[15:23] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you can execute files if you have all dependencies :D
[15:23] <Stroganoff> example: www.teeworlds.com
[16:04] <Hels1> How can I set Xubuntu to autologin?
[16:04] <Hels1> test
[16:04] <cody-somerville> Hels1, Applications > System > Login Window
[16:04] <TheSheep> Hels1: settings->login window->security->automatic login
[16:05] <cody-somerville> Or settings, sorry
[16:06] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: it really belongs to system, no idea why they moved it
[16:07] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, File a bug? :)
[16:07] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: nah, it's not that important, and in fact moving it around to much is even worse
[16:08] <Hels1> ok, do you guys have experience remote controlling xubuntu from vista?
[16:08] <Hels1> someone mentioned VPN or something last night
[16:09] <TheSheep> Hels1: hehe, why would we want to use vista if we already have access to xubuntu? :)
[16:09] <TheSheep> !vnc
[16:09] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[16:09] <TheSheep> !FreeNX
[16:09] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[16:09] <Hels1> well i'll run xubuntu as my home server
[16:28] <Hels1> I'm trying to access my shared folder from another computer
[16:28] <Hels1> i've set it to be in a SMB network
[16:28] <Hels1> so the windows computers can access it
[16:28] <Hels1> but i can't discover this xubuntu computer in the network
[16:28] <Hels1> both are in MSHOME
[16:30] <Stroganoff> can you access it by typing in the windows adress line: \\192.168.... (two backslahes + ip of you xubuntu)
[16:30] <Hels1> do i need to add MSHOME to the domain?
[16:30] <Stroganoff> no
[16:30] <Hels1> hmm, one sec i need to find my ip
[16:31] <Hels1> i'll need to check my router because it doesn't say here
[16:32] <Stroganoff> ifconfig#
[16:32] <Stroganoff> ifconfig
[16:32] <Hels1> so \\192.168.0.125?
[16:33] <Stroganoff> yes
[16:33] <Hels1> it prompts me for a password
[16:33] <Hels1> in windows
[16:33] <Stroganoff> edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:33] <Stroganoff> replace "security = user" with "security = share"
[16:33] <Hels1> is there no other way? nothing in the settings i can find by the menu?
[16:34] <Stroganoff> i dont know the settings dialogues, i dont have them installed
[16:35] <Stroganoff> there should be somethink like "authentication method" where you can switch between user, share, domain and more
[16:35] <Stroganoff> choose share
[16:39] <Hels1> i do it with abiword then?
[16:39] <Stroganoff> no
[16:40] <Stroganoff> sudo mousepad /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:40] <keb> never use a word processor for editing configuration files
[16:40] <Hels1> i never configure things within the configuration files...
[16:40] <Stroganoff> you can just use this line:
[16:40] <Stroganoff>         sudo sed -i -e "s_\;   security = user_   security = share_" -e "s_;\[cdrom\]_\[cdrom\]\ncomment = CD-ROM\nread only = yes\nlocking = no\npath = /media/cdrom\nguest ok = yes_" -e "s_workgroup = MSHOME_workgroup = $SAMBAGROUP _" /etc/samba/smb.conf
[16:40] <Stroganoff> erm no
[16:40] <Stroganoff> forget that
[16:40] <keb> np
[16:40] <keb> that probly won't paste right
[16:41] <Stroganoff> http://pastebin.ca/raw/986136
[16:41] <Hels1> "security = user
[16:43] <Hels1> the terminal keeps crashing
[16:44] <Hels1> now i can't paste anything
[16:44] <Stroganoff> oh yeah another one
[16:44] <Stroganoff> use another terminal: alt+f2 -> xterm
[16:44] <Hels1> it didn't say anything after i'd typed my password
[16:45] <Stroganoff> if a command is sucessfull, it doesnt say anything
[16:45] <Hels1> right
[16:45] <Hels1> i'll try with my other computer now
[16:45] <Stroganoff> Oo
[16:46] <Stroganoff> you have to restart samba first
[16:46] <Hels1> how?
[16:46] <Stroganoff> sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[16:46] <Hels1> uhm
[16:46] <Hels1> now my windows bar dissappeared
[16:46] <Stroganoff> wat
[16:47] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xfwm4
[16:47] <Hels1> still gone
[16:47] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xterm -> xfwm4
[16:47] <Hels1> nothing happened
[16:47] <Stroganoff> no error messages in xterm?
[16:48] <Stroganoff> thats odd
[16:48] <Stroganoff> you could try reinstalling with this one:
[16:48] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741631
[16:48] <keb> the "windows bar" could be the panel
[16:48] <Stroganoff> it comes with preconfigured samba
[16:49] <Stroganoff> alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[16:49] <The-Kernel> what's a good cli torrent client?
[16:49] <Stroganoff> mldonkey
[16:49] <keb> rtorrent
[16:49] <Stroganoff> k
[16:49] <Hels1> nothing happened again
[16:49] <keb> hmm actually rtorrent has a curses interface
[16:50] <Stroganoff> nothing wrong about that i suppose?
[16:50] <Stroganoff> Hels1 we are talking about xubuntu right?
[16:50] <Hels1> my windows bar is where i see what windows i have open.
[16:51] <Stroganoff> xterm -> killall xfce4-panel -> rtorrent
[16:51] <Stroganoff> oops
[16:51] <Stroganoff> xterm -> killall xfce4-panel -> xfce4-panel
[16:52] <Hels1> right, back
[16:53] <keb> :>
[16:53] <Hels1> why is there so much fuzz about sharing a simple folder?
[16:53] <Hels1> it is much easier in windows
[16:54] <keb> different versions of windows often don't talk to each other
[16:54] <Hels1>  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                                    start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 4896: No such process
[16:54] <Hels1>                                                                          [ OK ]
[16:54] <Hels1>  * Starting Samba daemons                                                [ OK ]
[16:54] <Hels1> my networking icon has dissappaered
[16:54] <Hels1> dissapeared*
[16:55] <Hels1> right, it is listed now. thank you
[16:56] <Hels1> i do, however, want to password protect one of them
[16:56] <Hels1> how do i do it?
[16:56] <Stroganoff> Hels1 because linux distributions come with more elaborate default settings that are very usefull in corporate environments...
[16:57] <Stroganoff> change the permissions of that folder to "not readable by everyone"
[16:58] <Stroganoff> on the other hand, i dont think it's doable with the "share" setting you just applied
[17:01] <totalwormface> Hels1: because windows doesn't make the smb protocol open
[17:02] <totalwormface> Hels1: so it's a hell of a job to make something other than a windows machine talk to the network
[17:03] <Stroganoff> it may have been a hell of a job to write SAMBA. but thats done now, its not the source of Hels1's problems, my dear totalwormface
[17:03] <totalwormface> o_0
[17:03] <totalwormface> sorry to give some background information
[17:07] <Hels1> why does samba have to restart?
[17:07] <Hels1> windows doesn't have to restart
[17:07] <Hels1> well except from restarting after changing workgroup
[17:07] <zoredache> yes, but the server service does reload after changing a share
[17:07] <Stroganoff> windows just restarts samba automatically if you change a settings
[17:07] <Hels1> why not linux?
[17:08] <keb> exactly
[17:08] <zoredache> Hels1: because you have total control with linux...
[17:08] <keb> instead of restarting all of linux, you just restart the piece that needs reconfiguration
[17:08] <Stroganoff> Hels1 how should samba now that you just manually edited a configuration file?
[17:08] <Stroganoff> if you use the GUI configuration frontends for samba it gets restarted automatically
[17:08] <zoredache> Stroganoff: psst... it could be done with inotify
[17:08] <Hels1> there is no gui config for what i did, afaik
[17:09] <Hels1> i couldn't find any
[17:09] <Stroganoff> zoredache pssst... i know
[17:09] <Hels1> which for me as a long term windows user is intimidating
[17:09] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you just couldnt find it, period. it's there.
[17:09] <bimshire> cheers
[17:09] <keb> Hels1 there is a web interface to samba called SWAT
[17:10] <bimshire> .
[17:10] <Stroganoff> uh oh
[17:10] <keb> ahoy
[17:10] <bimshire> hope all is well
[17:10] <Hels1> right, so i go to some adress in my web browser to configure my folder sharing?
[17:11] <Stroganoff> your own adress with a special port.
[17:11] <Hels1> it would be easier if it was next to the other relevant settings for file sharing
[17:11] <keb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Swat
[17:11] <zoredache> Hels1: if you are expecting linux to be the same as windows or to be completely perfect and polished, with perfect UI then you expect too much
[17:12] <Stroganoff> Hels1 you are welcome to donate to the XFCE project or support in any other way. until then you get WAY MORE than you paid for :p
[17:12] <zoredache> there are many people working on making it better, but there are rough edges still
[17:12] <midasza> Hey all
[17:13] <Hels1> right, well at least you take criticism
[17:14] <bimshire> well i just instlled xubuntu and i like it so far
[17:14] <midasza> Any one else having this problem - upgraded to 8.04 beta. No problems other than having to recompile my wireless card drivers and one thing. Whenever I reboot the system from within Gnome it tells me my disk was not unmounted cleanly and disk check is forced.
[17:15] <Stroganoff> wow thats a hard one
[17:15] <Stroganoff> #ubuntu+1 though
[17:15] <zoredache> feel ree to make useful suggestions on the forums,
[17:15] <Hels1> I still don't understand though, how can I password protect my folder?
[17:16] <midasza> Hels - as in a share level password or for local access?
[17:16] <Hels1> I don't understand your question but, no password for going \\hjemmeserver but a password for going in to the selected shared folder
[17:17] <zoredache> Hels1: password protect a folder for access on the local machine, or from the netwrok?  If on the local machine then you would want to setup filesystem permissions, or possibly encryption
[17:18] <midasza> Hels1 does \\hjemmeserver currently work at all or not at all at the moment for you?
[17:18] <Hels1> from the network
[17:18] <midasza> from a remote machine?
[17:18] <Hels1> It works, it is listed in network in vista and i can access it
[17:18] <Hels1> it even shows a printer folder, even though i have not connected the printer to it yet
[17:18] <Hels1> which is great
[17:19] <midasza> Ok thats good, question 2 - how familliar ar you with using the command line (windows or linux or unix)?
[17:19] <zoredache> so if you setup samba, thne it IS password protected
[17:20] <zoredache> when you accessed it from windows, windows automatically provided the password you used to login to the linux box
[17:21] <Hels1> I can do a few things in CMD, I am completely green in Linux
[17:22] <midasza> give me five minutes just going to read up on share level samba passwords.
[17:22] <Stroganoff> i doubt its possible
[17:23] <zoredache> you could also just fix it the 'simple' way... that is have a different password on each machine
[17:23] <keb> you will likely have to make a new samba share for that folder
[17:24] <Hels1> what do you mean?
[17:24] <zoredache> do you have the same username and password on both the linux box and windows box?
[17:25] <Hels1> no
[17:25] <zoredache> then ignore me then...
[17:25] <Hels1> should i?
[17:26] <Hels1> have the same password, that is
[17:26] <Hels1> and username
[17:26] <zoredache> it is up to you...
[17:26] <midasza> thats not a problem - only problem is samba only allows you to have one mode of authenticating - either share level (old win95/98 shares) or server level (windows nt/xp/2003/vista method)
[17:27] <zoredache> I am am a bit confused about how you access the linux box without providing your password though
[17:28] <midasza> well you just establish a netbios session which is considered guest or public then when you try and access a share it asks you for a password.
[17:29] <bimshire> does anyone here use transmission?
[17:29] <Hels1> was that for me, midasza?
[17:29] <midasza> like is said this is considered older technology and has gone out of fashion.
[17:30] <Hels1> mm
[17:30] <Hels1> you know
[17:30] <Hels1> i can just set up an ftp server
[17:30] <Hels1> and still have the printer shared without a password
[17:30] <zoredache> if you want a quick secure file transfer method...  installl ssh
[17:31] <Hels1> i'm not afraid of package loggers within the house :P
[17:31] <zoredache> perhaps, but setting up ssh takes about 5 seconds... setting up ftp correctly will take 15-45 minutes
[17:31] <Hels1> does the firewall block port 6886 by default?
[17:32] <zoredache> did you install a firewall?  There is none by default
[17:32] <Hels1> isn't ssh a package to enable ssl or something?
[17:32] <Hels1> no, but well. i can't access the azureus webui
[17:32] <zoredache> ssh is a remote access technology that allows remote terminal connections, and other things like sftp
[17:33] <zoredache> so if you wanted to remotely get a terminal from windows you could use putty to connect
[17:33] <midasza> it is installed and works on a default install - install winscp on the vista machine to connect
[17:33] <Hels1> does it work like ftp, i need a client for it?
[17:33] <Hels1> i want to use VPN to remote control this server
[17:33] <Hels1> or something like that
[17:33] <zoredache> but there are programs like winscp/filezilla that work like a standard ftp client
[17:33] <midasza> yes it works like ftp hels1
[17:33] <midasza> and vnc works fine as well - you just need to install it.
[18:00] <Hels1> How do I shut down?
[18:00] <Hels1> Apparently I just quit the windows thing (what is explorer.exe in windows)
[18:01] <keb> there should be an exit icon in your panel
[18:01] <keb> it looks like an open door with an arrow
[18:01] <Hels1> I don't have a panel anymore
[18:02] <Hels1> I thought I was shutting my computer down but I shut the panel
[18:02] <Hels1> when i alt tab i have a terminal up
[18:02] <keb> try right-clicking on the desktop
[18:02] <Hels1> can't i type something in the terminal?
[18:02] <keb> if you have a terminal you can type "sudo shutdown -h now"
[18:02] <Hels1> ok, thanks
[18:02] <Hels1> i will work more on the server tomorrow
[18:02] <keb> or maybe even without the sudo
[18:02] <Stroganoff> not without sudo
[18:03] <keb> ok
[18:03] <Hels1> nothing happened
[18:03] <Hels1> guess i'm gone in a few secs
[18:03] <Stroganoff> sudo halt
[18:03] <Stroganoff> hehe
[18:04] <keb> hmm they are completely rewriting hardware detection etc for Hardy
[18:04] <keb> i will have to learn this stuff again
[18:05] <zoredache> they are?   I thought everything was frozen
[18:06] <keb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyHardwareDetection
[18:06] <keb> i mean its already done but i don't have Hardy yet
[18:06] <hippieindamakin8> tell u what.. when ever i chose to play some specific set of applications i get soundbank errors in others
[18:07] <hippieindamakin8> *play /use
[18:07] <hippieindamakin8> ne solution ?
[18:08] <keb> what is a soundbank error?
[18:08] <hippieindamakin8> the application is unable to access the sound devices
[18:09] <hippieindamakin8> a particular case is this..  i play bzflag and when i get out.. i play an audio file its unable to access the sound device
[18:10] <hippieindamakin8> another kind of error is this : i use this application called "TUXGUITAR" and then i try to play a file on vlc or mplayer or totem i cant access the sound at the same time
[18:12] <keb> the applications need to be set to use a sound server instead of the devices directly
[18:13] <Stroganoff> keb shouldnt ALSA be able to handle this?
[18:14] <keb> not sure
[18:19] <keb> lol right now i can't even find a gui sound config tool on my system
[18:21] <hippieindamakin8> shall report bugs on these or try fixing them
[18:22] <keb> are each of the applications configured differently as to which sound device they use?
[18:25] <chtp__> hi folks. anyone here knows a way to encrypt a whole _existing_ partition?
[18:25] <hippieindamakin8> as a matter of fact i never compiled ne of these i did an apt-get
[18:27] <zoredache> chtp__: I don't think so....
[18:28] <zoredache> you could encrypt the files on the partition, but that isn't really encrypting the partition
[18:28] <chtp__> ok, thx
[18:45] <nerdzyboy> Could anyone tell me how to activate direct rendering for an intel X3100 card?
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> glxinfo | grep render tells me that there is no direct rendering
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> I am using driver "intel"
[18:46] <zoredache> I don't know anything about it, but are you sure that your card supports direct rendering?
[18:46] <nerdzyboy> yeah
[18:47] <nerdzyboy> it did in vista...
[19:58] <koldrakan> how can you turn off the system sound in XFCE? (I'm used to Gnome)
[20:13] <koldrakan> anyone??
[20:14] <Stroganoff> do you mean the annoying pc speaker, koldrakan?
[20:15] <koldrakan> yes:P everytime i press backspace, it screams at me
[20:15] <Stroganoff> echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist > /dev/null
[20:15] <koldrakan> in Gnome, this is easy to fix
[20:16] <koldrakan> we're talking about a laptop here, I still want the built-in speakers to work
[20:17] <Stroganoff> yeah i know
[20:17] <Stroganoff> i mean the annoying crap
[20:17] <Stroganoff> and it DOES NOT affect your low battery warning (this is handled by the bios, not the kernel)
[20:18] <koldrakan> ok I'll try the command now
[20:19] <Stroganoff> this disables the speaker on boot up. to disable it NOW use: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[20:20] <koldrakan> will it work after reboot too?
[20:20] <Stroganoff> the first command was for "after reboot"
[20:20] <Stroganoff> the second was for "now"
[20:20] <koldrakan> allright, so I'll just run them both then:P
[20:20] <Stroganoff> yep
[20:21] <koldrakan> worked fine! Thank you, Stroganoff:D
[20:21] <Stroganoff> pleasure
[20:21] <koldrakan> ^^
[20:50] <keb> anyone happen to know how to renew a self-signed SSL certificate?
[21:09] <LetsGo67> Did anyone notice that writing an email in Thunderbird will show the Netscape icon on the upleft corner of the window?
[21:10] <keb> how crafty of them
[21:11] <LetsGo67> What's new in Hardy?
[21:12] <Stroganoff> !hardy | LetsGo67
[21:12] <ubotu> LetsGo67: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:12] <LetsGo67> Nice try.
[21:13] <Stroganoff> Oo
[21:14] <LetsGo67> They should compress the reps, it'd be way faster and would give 'em more bandwidth.
[21:15] <Stroganoff> .deb files are compressed
[21:15] <keb> why dont you setup a rep to show them how
[21:17] <LetsGo67> Un jour, peut-être.  Bonne nuit.
[21:19] <Stroganoff> lol
[23:05] <LetsGo67> Here's the scenario: two computers are running Xubuntu 7.10 and they both have wireless cards.  I am using ndiswrapper on one, but not on the other.  The former has a signal strength of 4 bars, but the latter, only 1.  Both computers are at a 3 metre (10 feet) distance from the router.  How can I improve the non-ndiswrapper signal strength?
[23:06] <vidd> what is the wifi card chipset?
[23:07] <LetsGo67> Atheros, vidd.
[23:07] <zoredache> LetsGo67: most likely you will need to replace the wireless adapter...
[23:07] <vidd> run a test first....
[23:08] <zoredache> signal strength seems like it is going to be a hardware issue...
[23:08] <LetsGo67> No, zoredache, XP should run it fine.  Does it need ndiswrapper?
[23:08] <vidd> disable the driver and try NDISWrapper
[23:08] <vidd> see if the signal improves
[23:08] <vidd> if it does, get linux friendly wifi cards
[23:18] <LetsGo67> This is a dumb question, but I'd like an answer anyways, please.  Will plugging the antenna improve my signal?
[23:18] <LetsGo67> Thanks vidd and zoredache.  I forgot to plug in the antenna!
[23:19] <vidd> D'OH!!!!!!
[23:19] <zoredache> hardware problems... :p
[23:19] <vidd> lol
[23:20] <LetsGo67> Thanks guys.  Good day/evening.
[23:20] <zoredache> bye...
[23:22] <vidd> sounds like a tech call i got today.... cant connect....selected modem "device unplugged"
[23:23] <zoredache> heh
[23:23] <vidd> the user just moved a hard drive from one box to another
[23:24] <vidd> didnt bother to install drivers.....
[23:24] <vidd> i told them they were lucky windows booted
[23:24] <zoredache> yeah
[23:25] <vidd> they said "my mac's never had that kind of problem!"
[23:26] <vidd> i felt like saying "microsoft dont make mac's"
[23:27] <zoredache> Or perhaps 'my Linux-box has never had that problem either...'
[23:27] <vidd> work has asked me to stop pushing linux
[23:28] <vidd> im the only linux-savvy tech rep there
[23:28] <zoredache> that is unfortunate...
[23:29] <vidd> i still work to manuver the windows users to ask what i use
[23:30] <vidd> especially the win98 users
[23:30] <zoredache> there are still win98 users?
[23:31] <vidd> omg...tons of them
[23:31] <vidd> i had 3 win95 users call today
[23:33] <zoredache> yuck...
[23:33] <vidd> i was happy to tell them we dont support internet explorer 4
[23:34] <vidd> and most win95 systems can load IE6
[23:35] <vidd> *cant
[23:36] <vidd> work has no issues with me recommending mozilla products
[23:38] <zoredache> if the machine is running 9x will firefox even run?  Firefox 2.x tends to be a memory hog...
[23:40] <vidd> they are used to thier machines running like junk anyways
[23:51] <boolka> hi, how do i get my svideo to work on my laptop. it works up untill the moment xubuntu loads and asks for my user and pass
[23:52] <vidd> ususall <fn><f5>