[00:00] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: In a healthy system, the only programs which can cause segfaults are the kernel and kernel modules. Anything in "user space" can only cause a segfault if there's a bug in the kernel which allows it.
[00:00] <Agrajag-> it seems to always "just happen to occur" with metacity process though, all the segfaults in the logs are with metacity processes
[00:00] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: that is strange, perhaps Metacity is triggering something.
[00:00] <Agrajag-> i'm not certain all these crashes are kernel oopses though, since the flashing LEDs has only happened once or twice
[00:01] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: Are you using compositing Metacity?
[00:01] <Agrajag-> no
[00:01] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: have you tried a different WM?
[00:01] <Agrajag-> not yet
[00:01] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: Have you tried booting into a LiveCD?
[00:02] <Agrajag-> i suspect if no one else is having these problems then you could be right about bad hardware. but then again it did only start happening when i upgraded to hardy. coincidence maybe
[00:02] <bewst> RyanPrior: I think this difference may account for why my install using the alternate CD refused to install GRUB.
[00:03] <forrest> I
[00:03] <Agrajag-> no, i don't have a livecd handy. i dist-upgraded from gutsy
[00:03] <RyanPrior> Agrajag-: the thing you hope to find out is whether it's a software configuration issue, which a reinstall or doctoring might fix, or a hardware issue which will require component replacement.
[00:03] <forrest> I've installed 'flashplugin-nonfree' and can't get video to play, is this a known problem or...?
[00:04] <RyanPrior> forrest: My video plays but Firefox crashes when I try to play multiple YouTube videos in a row. Flash is basically buggy right now.
[00:05] <forrest> RyanPrior, ok, good to know its not just me then thats having problems, thanks
[00:06] <pen> is there a script or app to convert encoding?
[00:10] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Flash is working for me for the first time since Feisty; but it's hogging audio.
[00:11] <swuboo> I think it's bypassing Pulseaudio, but I could be wrong.
[00:12] <pwuertz> hi! I don't understand how directories are smb-shared in hardy... when I share a directory using nautilus, the share is set up correctly.. but I cant find any trace of it in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[00:12] <pwuertz> where is the configuration file for the shares?
[00:13] <MrMist> I'm having problems playing .rm files with mplayer
[00:14] <MrMist> VDecoder init failed :( Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder Error: /usr/lib/codecs/drvc.bundle/Contents/MacOS/drvc: cannot open shared object file
[00:14] <MrMist> Anyone seen this before?
[00:14] <MrMist> seems like mplayer is trying to initialize a codec for mac, but I'm on ubuntu
[00:15] <RyanPrior> swuboo: Do you have libflashsupport?
[00:17] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Lemme check.
[00:18] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Yep.
[00:18] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  But no other applications can output sound while there's a flash applet running in Firefox.
[00:19] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  Which I discovered this morning, when the British Grenadiers failed to play at the appointed hour, causing me to miss class.
[00:19] <RyanPrior> swuboo: That's weird. libflashsupport is supposed to fix that by making Flash operate through PulseAudio.
[00:20] <swuboo> RyanPrior:  It's not a big deal, really.  And it's probably something weird and leftover on my system from FSM knows when---like that problem with my FF fonts.  I fixed that, by the by.
[00:21] <derspankster> swuboo: what you got going now?
[00:21] <swuboo> derspankster:  You mean fontwise?  Same as last night--- it's all right as rain.
[00:22] <derspankster> swuboo: OK, just wondered
[00:22] <swuboo> derspankster:  In terms of the moment, flash is preventing other applications from outputting sound, which it isn't supposed to do.
[00:22] <swuboo> derspankster:  I appreciate it.
[00:22] <derspankster> swuboo: I haven't tested that, perhaps I should
[00:24] <swuboo> Yup, flash won't start using sound if Audacious is, and Audacious won't play sound if flash already is.
[00:24] <swuboo> Meanwhile, Audacious plays nice with every other application on the system so far.
[00:26] <swuboo> I'll check and see how Flash and totem like each other.
[00:27] <Hammer89> anyone here successfully using 8.04 on a Toshiba a135-s2386 or similar machine?
[00:27] <swuboo> Huh.  They like each other fine.  Maybe the problem actually is Audacious' fault.
[00:27] <MrMist> Yay.. I found a dependency....
[00:27] <MrMist> a broken dependency as such....
[00:28] <derspankster> swuboo: audacious and totem both work (play sounds) with flash here
[00:28] <MrMist> or maybe not.. hehe... I installed the essential codecs for mplayer, and it required libstdc++5 to be able to run realmedia files!!
[00:28] <swuboo> derspankster:  What output plugin is your Audacious using?
[00:30] <derspankster> swuboo: just changed it to pulseaudio , let's what happens
[00:31] <derspankster> swuboo: still OK
[00:31] <swuboo> derspankster:  My Audacious won't output to PulseAudio directly.
[00:32] <derspankster> swuboo: mine is, I'm listening now
[00:32] <swuboo> derspankster:  I'm thinking Audacious is my problem at this point.
[00:33] <derspankster> swuboo: totem works?
[00:34] <swuboo> derspankster:  Totem doesn't seem to allow changing of its output plugin.
[00:35] <swuboo> derspankster:  But yeah, it's operating quite happily.
[00:35] <derspankster> swuboo: I see that you can't change it
[00:37] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, now I've got sound going in Flash, gxine, totem, mplayer, and Rhythmbox.
[00:37] <swuboo> derspankster:  So it's definitely Audacious that isn't playing nice.
[00:38] <swuboo> derspankster:  Also, it sounds like a massacre in a guitar factory in here right now.
[00:38] <derspankster> swuboo: never had an issue with audacious. Yeah, I'm sure it does. Playing something different in each?
[00:39] <swuboo> derspankster:  No, for the sake of euphony, the same file.
[00:40] <derspankster> swuboo: this beta has been challenging for you
[00:41] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, all different files now.  Wow.  I'm genuinely impressed by this.  Who knew It's a Long Way to Tipperary went so well with Pachelbel's Canon?
[00:41] <swuboo> derspankster:  Funny though, Audacious won't play through Pulseaudio even if it's all by its lonesome.
[00:44] <derspankster> swuboo: well, when I first tried the test, audacious was still using also, but I changed to PA and it works fine
[00:44] <derspankster> alsa
[00:44] <swuboo> derspankster:  There's an open bug in launchpad about Audacious using ALSA by default.
[00:45] <derspankster> swuboo: why a bug when it's easy to change?
[00:46] <derspankster> swuboo: not sure I see a big advantage to pulseaudio
[00:47] <swuboo> derspankster:  It's a very low priority bug, it seems.
[00:47] <Prefix> derspankster: Couldn't agree more, my sound lags all the time, and aduio playback can lag my videos too.
[00:48] <swuboo> So, it's pretty clear now that Audacious won't play on my system with Pulseaudio output, and if it uses ALSA, it works, but nothing else can play, even thing using Pulseaudio output.
[00:50] <derspankster> I kind of feel bad, everything on this laptop seems to be working OK
[00:51] <derspankster> except the FF3 B5 lack of extensions and occasional buginess
[00:51] <swuboo> derspankster:  Don't, I'd call this a really minor issue.
[00:56] <Tuv0k> swuboo, what version is your audacious?
[00:56] <swuboo> Tuv0k: 1.5.0.
[00:57] <Tuv0k> just checking
[00:57] <Tuv0k> my audacious with pulse work proper
[00:58] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  I'm not entirely sure why mine isn't, frankly.
[01:02] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone having a problem playing dvd's? I get an error "cannot read media". am I missing something?
[01:03] <bennyf11> having an issue with broadcom wireless router
[01:03] <bennyf11> sorry broadcom wireless adaptor
[01:05] <Tuv0k> !restricted
[01:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:05] <swuboo> Okay, I'm completely removing Audacious and all associated packages.
[01:05] <Tuv0k> !wireless
[01:05] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:06] <Sergeant_Pony> TuV0k the multimedia link. is that for me?
[01:06] <Tuv0k> of course
[01:06] <Tuv0k> :)
[01:06] <Sergeant_Pony> ok... thanks
[01:06] <Tuv0k> np
[01:07] <Sergeant_Pony> it's alway's had that issue, never got around to fixing it till now.
[01:08] <danage> anybody else have problems deleting directories on ftp servers?
[01:08] <Tuv0k> nope
[01:08] <Tuv0k> Sergeant_Pony, probably just need the dvd codecs
[01:08] <bennyf11> ive read those links for wifi
[01:08] <Tuv0k> !codecs
[01:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:09] <swuboo> Anyone know where the profile settings for audacious reside?  I want to nuke it completely before I reinstall.
[01:10] <BhaalWK> wow
[01:10] <Tuv0k> swuboo, why not just apt-get purge audacious?
[01:10] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Will that do anything more than complete uninstallation in Synaptic?
[01:11] <BhaalWK> Alright, this seems more like the right place
[01:11] <Tuv0k> swuboo, complete uninstallation period
[01:11] <BhaalWK> Anyone able to tell me why multi-gnome-terminal is not presently in hardy and if it will make it back in before offical release?
[01:11] <Tuv0k> what do you think is synaptics backend?
[01:12] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  I thought it was apt.  Which is why I was suprised when I said I was going to do a complete uninstallation through synaptic, and you said to using apt-get purge.
[01:12] <Tuv0k> swuboo, you could do the same thing in synaptic
[01:12] <Tuv0k> it has a purge command
[01:12] <f0rmat> can i ask where did the default background for ubuntu 7.4 come from
[01:12] <Tuv0k> right click ocmplete removal
[01:13] <nullbnx> so heron, worth the install in a few days? or not big deal to upgrade? (i know its generic, but havnt heard many opinions yet)
[01:13] <derspankster> swuboo: you planning on a reinstall of audacious then?
[01:13] <Tuv0k> nullbnx, plenty opinons on the web, just google hardy heron
[01:13] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  I already did that.  "Complete Removal"  left a whole directory of config files in my home directory.
[01:13] <Tuv0k> !artwork | f0rmat
[01:13] <ubotu> f0rmat: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[01:14] <swuboo> derspankster:  Yeah, I'm gonna do it bit by bit and see if it works initially, and if it breaks anywhere on the line.
[01:14] <Tuv0k> in synaptic there is a category of residual configs
[01:14] <swuboo> Tuv0k:   Right clicking on "Remove completely" just marks it for complete removal.  Are you saying there's another underlying option somewhere that I'm just not seeing?
[01:15] <bennyf11> !WIRELESS
[01:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:15] <Tuv0k> swuboo, a category not an option
[01:15] <bennyf11> I have used the wireless help instructions, no help at all
[01:15] <bennyf11> can someone please help me?
[01:16] <Tuv0k> !ask | bennyf11
[01:16] <ubotu> bennyf11: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:16] <swuboo> I'll want to look into that in a bit, but... complete uinstallation followed by removing the config settings from my home directory have made the PulseAudio output work.
[01:16] <swuboo> Lemme see if it breaks when I install the rest of the packages.
[01:17] <derspankster> swuboo: bet is doesn't break
[01:18] <swuboo> derspankster:  A bet you'd win.
[01:18] <usser> !waffles
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about waffles - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <Ratshell> Howdy, has anyone in here gotten compiz screensavers to compile right in Hardy Heron?
[01:18] <swuboo> derspankster: And then lose.
[01:18] <crdlb> compiz screensavers?
[01:19] <derspankster> swuboo: even money then?
[01:19] <Ratshell> yeah compiz screensavers, if you don't know what it is then probably you don't know how to install them :)
[01:19] <crdlb> ...
[01:19] <swuboo> derspankster:  No, I think it's more like I hand you the money, the roulette ball skips a little, and I take it back.
[01:19] <Sergeant_Pony> Tuv0k wow is that confusing...I have all the required packages for Totem-gstreamer installed already.
[01:19] <crdlb> Ratshell: you mean the screensaver plugin?
[01:20] <Ratshell> crdlb, yes
[01:20] <swuboo> Something in the package audacious-plugins-extra is breaking Pulseaudio output.
[01:20] <crdlb> Ratshell: the developer of that plugin disappeared
[01:20] <crdlb> it does not work with latest compiz
[01:20] <swuboo> My guess is that it's its version of the Pulseaudio output plugin.  It must be outdated or something.
[01:20] <Ratshell> crdlb, yeah i have noticed that. Which sucks I want my flying windows back. :)
[01:22] <swuboo> Okay, I now have absolutely no question whatsoever--- audacious-plugins-extra breaks Pulseaudio output for Audacious.
[01:22] <derspankster> swuboo: I only have 1.5.0-1ubuntu1 audacious-plugins installed
[01:22] <BhaalWK> Anyone know where I can find the status of packages for hardy?  Im trying to find out if multi-gnome-terminal will be back in before release, and if possible, why its not currently in the dist
[01:23] <swuboo> derspankster:  As do I, at the moment.  Installing extras breaks Pulseaudio, and uninstalling it doesn't fix it until you delete ~./config/audacious
[01:23] <crdlb> Ratshell: hmm I lied, it does work
[01:23] <crdlb> Ratshell: what's the error you get?
[01:23] <derspankster> swuboo: so, don't do that anymore!
[01:25] <Ratshell> crdlb, i get a whole list of errors during the make part
[01:25] <Ratshell> !paste
[01:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:25] <crdlb> ah, I know
[01:26] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, new problem.  Even without that package, once I close and reopen Audacious, it won't play with Pulseaudio.
[01:26] <crdlb> Ratshell: make clean, then: git checkout ba0f884366e53a987226a71da3ee811b8bd3a2be
[01:26] <crdlb> that commit should work
[01:26] <derspankster> swuboo: back to square one, start over I guess
[01:27] <swuboo> derspankster:  So it would appear!
[01:27] <Ratshell> crdlb, that gives me fatal: not a git repository
[01:27] <crdlb> Ratshell: err, how are you trying to build the screensaver plugin?
[01:28] <Ratshell> downloaded it, tar it to its own directory in ~/compiz/screensave
[01:28] <Ratshell> ~/compiz/screensaver, then make
[01:28] <swuboo> Bugger.
[01:28] <crdlb> Ratshell: from where?
[01:28] <Ratshell> umm no idea
[01:28] <Ratshell> some weird link
[01:28] <Ratshell> i got it through a walkthrough thing
[01:29] <crdlb> oh lovely
[01:29] <crdlb> that walkthrough was for gutsy, not hardy
[01:29] <Ratshell> yeah thats the only one i could fine
[01:29] <crdlb> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/users/pafy/screensaver
[01:29] <crdlb> then run the git checkout command I gave you
[01:30] <Ratshell> i still get fatal: not a git repository
[01:30] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, I think I'm back up to square ~2 or so.
[01:30] <crdlb> Ratshell: cd screensaver
[01:31] <Ratshell> okay
[01:31] <Ratshell> that did something
[01:31] <Ratshell> now what do i do?
[01:31] <derspankster> swuboo: oh, but you love a challenge!
[01:31] <crdlb> Ratshell: did you do the git checkout?
[01:31] <Ratshell> yes
[01:32] <Ratshell> i got stuff like head is now at ba0f884...makefile update.
[01:32] <swuboo> derspankster:  It's amazing what I'll go through for a music player I like!
[01:32] <crdlb> Ratshell: now continue as normal
[01:32] <crdlb> make && make install
[01:32] <Ratshell> crdlb, still having errors
[01:32] <derspankster> swuboo: I like it too. Wish it would stream
[01:32] <crdlb> Ratshell: pastebin them
[01:33] <swuboo> derspankster:  It won't?!?  ;)
[01:33] <Ratshell> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63374/
[01:33] <derspankster> swuboo: not on my network it won't. Have a music/movie server
[01:34] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, well, gxine segfaulted while I was testing that everything's working, but that's a problem for another day.  Looks like it's working--even with the extras package.
[01:34] <swuboo> derspankster:  Okay, it's being friendly with flash too.
[01:35] <Ratshell> crdlb, any idea?
[01:35] <derspankster> swuboo: do you know how to configure audacious to stream mp3's on a network?
[01:36] <swuboo> derspankster:  Final verdict appears to be:  Setting 24 bit ouput depth, at least on my hardware, completely and utterly bollockses PulseAudio output permanently, regardless of whether it's then set back to 16.  Only fix is to to delete ~./config/audacious.
[01:36] <unstable> ok, So I have wvdial setup, and it got a localip, remote ip, and it lists a couple dns servers. But I'm still connected via the wireless in my house. How can I switch my Ubuntu system to this ppp0 device, and not ath0?
[01:36] <crdlb> Ratshell: ah oops, hardy does have that latest API change
[01:36] <crdlb> Ratshell: so git checkout master
[01:36] <crdlb> then try to build it
[01:37] <swuboo> derspankster:  No idea, actually.
[01:37] <derspankster> swuboo: bummer
[01:37] <Ratshell> crdlb, i think it worked lets try, now on the flying window thing i know previously i had a issue where it would go to the flying window but no matter what i press i couldn't get it to stop it, any idea why it would do that or how to set a bind to stop it?
[01:38] <crdlb> Ratshell: nope, it's unmaintained ;)
[01:38] <swuboo> derspankster:  I don't have any network shares set up, so I can't even really begin poking at it.
[01:39] <derspankster> swuboo: I played with it some time back, didn't get anywhere and then got distracted by something else.
[01:39] <Ratshell> crdlb, brb i think i have to restart to get it to work brb
[01:39] <swuboo> derspankster:  Rather how I feel about the reading I have to do this week.  But sort of in reverse, with Audacious being one of the distractions.
[01:40] <crdlb> Ratshell: only compiz
[01:40] <Ratshell> crdlb, how do i restart compiz?
[01:40] <crdlb> compiz --replace in alt+f2
[01:41] <derspankster> dog walking time
[01:41] <Ratshell> crdlb, that works thx
[01:43] <ffm> Firefox freezes every couple of seconds. How do I stop it!
[01:43] <ffm> (like when I load a new tab, etc)
[01:45] <crdlb> use a browser not written in javascript? :P
[01:46] <Ratshell> then what browser would you recommend
[01:47] <woodwizzle> I'm running 3 monitors with xinerama, but composite isn't working. (at least I can't turn it on from the appearances dialog)
[01:48] <Ratshell> woodwizlle what are you running two cards, three cards what?
[01:48] <woodwizzle> Ratshell: 2 nvidia 8600gt cards
[01:49] <bluefoxx> im tryingto get my tape drive working, so far i can only get mt to rewind and retension it, do i need anything special?
[01:49] <thompa> things seem to have settled down, but wireless with wpa went out
[01:49] <Ratshell> and you have the nvidia latest driver installed on them right?
[01:49] <woodwizzle> Ratshell: Yup
[01:49] <bluefoxx> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63375/ >my modprobe and dmesg | tail outputs
[01:49] <woodwizzle> 3d accel works with an alternate xorg.conf I have for SLI
[01:49] <thompa> if i turn off security on wireless password i can connect
[01:49] <woodwizzle> and I'm not using twinview, just xinerama
[01:49] <thompa> router*
[01:50] <Ratshell> woodwizzle, you can try Alt + F2 and type compiz --replace
[01:50] <woodwizzle> i can pastebin my xorg.conf if you like
[01:50] <Ratshell> try what i put above first ^
[01:51] <woodwizzle> composite extension is not present
[01:51] <thompa> anyone got atheros 5006 or 5007?
[01:51] <Ratshell> woodwizzle, what version of ubuntu you running?
[01:51] <woodwizzle> Hardy
[01:52] <thompa> I want to confirm that deselecting hardware drivers for atheros wireless makes it work
[01:52] <Tuv0k> this is the hardy channel
[01:52] <Ratshell> woodwizzle, add this to the bottom of your xorg.conf file
[01:52] <Ratshell> Section "Extensions"
[01:52] <Ratshell> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[01:52] <Ratshell> EndSection
[01:52] <thompa> for this models 5006 5007eg something like that atheros wifi. anyone know if i still need the patch?
[01:52] <woodwizzle> already got that
[01:52] <Ratshell> well thats what that error means it should be working
[01:53] <woodwizzle> i know but lo... it is not working
[01:53] <Tuv0k> woodwizzle, what does glxinfo reveal?
[01:54] <woodwizzle> oh wait... i might have a typo in my xorg.conf
[01:54] <Tuv0k> ;)
[01:54] <woodwizzle> lemme restart X and see if i fixed it
[01:54] <thompa> cant atheros 5006 and acer_acpi be included in ath5k* module?
[01:55] <Tuv0k> !wireless | thompa
[01:55] <ubotu> thompa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:56] <thompa> i know about that. I just dont feel like uninstalling the madwifi drivers
[01:56] <woodwizzle> argh, no such luck
[01:57] <thompa> the atheros wireless 5006 works with madwifi driver and a known patch, but in gutsy it just worked.
[01:57] <woodwizzle> its gotta be an error in my xorg.conf file because i have another xorg.conf file with SLI turned on that works fine
[01:58] <woodwizzle> I just have to use a seperate xorg.conf when I want multiple displays when I'm working, not gaming
[01:58] <thompa> i think acer_acpi is in -25 and backported here. I need that to get my wireless also
[01:59] <thompa> but you cant even compile it manually without removing stuff now
[02:00] <thompa> everything works on acer 5520 right now. nvidia and atheros. also crystal eye cam.
[02:01] <woodwizzle> http://pastebin.com/m72f935cd <-- my current compositeless xorg.conf
[02:03] <thompa> woodwizzle: i have the same and compiz works. all i know
[02:03] <thompa> just comparing
[02:04] <thompa> woodwizzle: why is nvidia twice there?
[02:04] <thompa> inder devices?
[02:04] <thompa> *under
[02:05] <woodwizzle> thompa: cuz i have 2 cards
[02:06] <thompa> weird but my xorg.conf has only a few lines
[02:07] <mheath> thompa: thats to be expected.
[02:07] <mheath> thompa: Well, I suppose it depends on how much you mean by " a few".....
[02:08] <woodwizzle> Yeah and when you have 3 monitors and 2 cards you're bound to add some lines =)
[02:08] <thompa> for device 3 lines
[02:08] <mheath> Mine has 32, not counting the white space.
[02:08] <mheath> thompa: Yep
[02:08] <mheath> One of the big improvements with the latest X.org, which ships with Hardy, is that the configuration file stuff has been significantly cleaned up.
[02:08] <thompa> its cleaned up for sure, or do i need to look somewhere else
[02:09] <thompa> i dont even have to scroll mine
[02:09] <mheath> You might just be used to looking at other distros, too
[02:09] <mheath> Ubuntu's is all autogenerated, so it has just what you need
[02:10] <mheath> Lots of other distros have a generic one, and 90% of it is redundant, unecessary, or just commented out sample lines.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> mheath,  that cleanup has caused some issues also.. :( but i feel its a good trend. :)
[02:10] <thompa> ya but madwifi install is thus more diff. on this one
[02:11] <mheath> Dr_willis: agreed. :-)
[02:11] <thompa> its a few steps back to remove atheros in hardware section
[02:11] <mheath> bpd1069: hold on a second, and I'll try to answer your question...
[02:12] <bpd1069> Is there a way to do an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 Beta , and use the CDROM iso as a repository?  I have the 8.04 beta iso but am not happy about waiting 4+ hours to download packages that are sitting on my desk.
[02:12] <swhalen> The latest compiz updates broke my desktop effects. Any ideas?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> anything on the cd. may be out of date allready.
[02:12] <thompa> i went back and re-enabled atheros hardware Hal and lan card. not sure if I should after installing madwifi
[02:12] <Dr_willis> seems ive gotten about 200mb of updates a day lately
[02:12] <swuboo> bpd1069:  Unless that CD was downloaded and burned today, you'll have to wait for updates anyway.  Probably better off just getting the most recent version.
[02:13] <ChaosParser> bpd1069: Sure, use gnome-mount to mount it, and it should say "a volume containing packages has been detected, do you want to open package manager?"
[02:13] <thompa> swhalen: did you restart xserver/
[02:13] <ChaosParser> bpd1069: But you will still have updates to do :)
[02:13] <mheath> ChaosParser: No, that is NOT the recommended update procedure.
[02:13] <ChaosParser> mheath: I know that.  Read his question.
[02:14] <swhalen> ﻿thompa: yes
[02:14] <bpd1069> ok will do the update thing - :( seems like a waste of bandwidth - thanks
[02:14] <mheath> bpd1069: Wait...
[02:14] <ChaosParser> mheath: He asked if it was possible, not if it was recommended.
[02:14] <mheath> Do you have the regular CD, or the alternate install CD?
[02:14] <swhalen> im getting Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.  now
[02:14] <mheath> bpd1069: If you have the alternate install CD, it's possible.
[02:14] <bpd1069> mheath : regular CD
[02:15] <bpd1069> mheath : thanks for the hint (recommended or otherwise)
[02:15] <mheath> ChaosParser: Ah, then your out of luck. The alternate CD-ROM has a recomended, safe way to upgrade on it.
[02:15] <mheath> erm
[02:15] <mheath> bpd1069:
[02:15] <mheath> But the regular one doesn't, as far as I know.
[02:16] <mheath> bpd1069: There some hackish ways to get around that, but as it's been pointed out, it'll probably just be much easier to upgrade via the internet
[02:16] <thompa> swhalen: i dont know sorry. i would check appearance settings. turn it off and on again
[02:16] <bazhang> using a non-recommended method to update to a beta seems risky
[02:16] <thompa> ive had to do that actually
[02:17] <thompa> but i got cpu 100% after upgrade a few times today
[02:18] <thompa> had to reboot it
[02:18] <swuboo> bazhang:  Probably not much riskier than upgrading at the time the CD was burned, I should think.  It'll just have outdated packages.
[02:18] <mheath> All of my updates today went smoothly.
[02:18] <mheath> I've only ran into a few weird dependency calculation problems
[02:18] <cwillu> honestly, it's pretty hard to find a way to do an upgrade that will leave you completely hopeless.  Most of the non-recommended approaches will just leave you with days of finicky mind-numbingness, and nobody will willingly walk you through fixing it
[02:18] <mheath> It keeps holding back upgrades for inexpliccable reasons
[02:19] <cwillu> mheath, try updating them in synaptic, it'll point out where the conflicts are
[02:19] <mheath> cwillu: I'm aware of that; there are no conflicts though.
[02:19] <mheath> For example, earlier today, I did an apt-get upgrade - and it wanted to hold back xserver-xorg
[02:19] <mheath> Now, if I did "apt get install xserver-xorg" first, that worked fine
[02:20] <mheath> There were no conflicts on upgrading it
[02:20] <cwillu> mheath, didn't say it wanted to remove anything?
[02:20] <mheath> Nope.
[02:20] <mheath> I'm pretty familiar with normal dependency resolution...and I couldn't see any reason it should be wanting to hold those back
[02:21] <mheath> But thats been happening over and over again to me lately with random packages
[02:22] <syke> hi
[02:22] <bazhang> swuboo: point well taken; though for a newer user (someone who has to ask how to upgrade like that) seems risky
[02:23] <syke> I went to do a dist-upgrade, and it says that most of my kde packages will be removed as a result
[02:23] <syke> I assume a package release is half-done again, or something?
[02:23] <mheath> syke: probably.
[02:23] <swuboo> bazhang:  Agreed, I certainly am not suggesting it's a good iea.
[02:23] <mheath> syke: make sure you're up to date with an apt-get update.....make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed....then try again
[02:24] <mheath> If you've done all that, or you do it and it still happens, I'd wait a bit for the next batch of updates.
[02:24] <YeaSt> hey, guys
[02:24] <swuboo> bazhang:  Especially since any time saved downloaded packages will be offset by time spent downloading their most recent versions again.
[02:24] <syke> mheath: yes, yes, and yes. problem still is there.
[02:24] <YeaSt> is there anyone has experience on gnome-settings-daemon failure problem?
[02:24] <syke> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:24] <syke>   kde-core kde-devel kdebase kdebase-dev kmplayer-konq-plugins konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins kubuntu-desktop strigi-applet
[02:25] <syke> mheath: will do, just want to make sure ppl are aware so it can be fixed
[02:26] <YeaSt> anyone could offer some help on that?
[02:27] <YeaSt> everytime I try to login to gnome, it will cost 5 mins to load the desktop and play the login sound
[02:27] <bazhang> swuboo: totally agree with you in every particular; just wonder about newer users is all
[02:28] <Asa_A> Why would ubuntu "upgrade" my kernel from -generic to -i386?
[02:31] <Tuv0k> Asa_A, "ubuntu" wouldn't
[02:31] <Asa_A> I just ran updates that were in update-manager
[02:32] <Tuv0k> hmm
[02:32] <Tuv0k> I don't use update manager
[02:32] <aaron_> Is there a thunderbird 3 beta deb package out there?
[02:32] <Asa_A> what do you use?
[02:32] <Tuv0k> but you should always check whats being updated before pressing buttons
[02:32] <Tuv0k> I update from the command line
[02:32] <AaronMT> Is there a thunderbird 3 beta deb package out there?
[02:33] <Tuv0k> AaronMT, maybe
[02:33] <Tuv0k> did you search google?
[02:34] <AaronMT> yes
[02:34] <Asa_A> I'd file a bug, but I don't even know where to file it. This isn't the first time this happened, my problem is that -386 breaks my video, and last time it broke my audio
[02:34] <Tuv0k> 386 should not be installed period
[02:34] <Tuv0k> check to make sure linux-image metapackage is installed
[02:34] <Raspberry> anybody having video playback issues with ATI Radion cards and Hardy?
[02:35] <Asa_A> linux-image isn't installed
[02:35] <Tuv0k> there you go
[02:35] <Asa_A> I have linux-image* for each kernel I have installed
[02:35] <Tuv0k> that will make sure the latest -generic kernel is installed
[02:36] <Tuv0k> !linux-image
[02:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-image - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:36] <Tuv0k> !kernel
[02:36] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[02:36] <Tuv0k> !generic
[02:36] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[02:36] <Asa_A> I think theres a log that can tell me when programs are installed or uninstalled, do you know where I could find that info?
[02:36] <Tuv0k> plenty places
[02:36] <bazhang> dpkg -l
[02:36] <Tuv0k> synaptic keeps a history of packages installed
[02:39] <Niriven> Hello, I'm sure others have had this problem, but, i have yet to find an easy solution. The new version uses the new b43 driver for my wireless card (dell 1390, which is a bcm4311), and, it just simply doesnt work. Why cant i use the bcm43xx driver like i did in previous versions of ubuntu?
[02:41] <cwillu> Niriven, have you installed b43-fwcutter out of the repo yet?
[02:41] <Asa_A> I found my answer "aptitude why linux-image-2.6.24-16-386" I instaled virtualbox, which installed the wrong set of modules (386), which depends on the -386 kernel
[02:42] <Niriven> cwillu, Yes. The driver simply *does not* work with my card. I get low bandwidth rates, dropped connections, choked connections, etc. The BCM43XX driver worked perfectly, the new one does not.
[02:42] <Tuv0k> Asa_A, good work!
[02:43] <Tuv0k> and that cool you shared
[02:43] <kreative> hey, quick question, im having a bit of trouble with my ntfs partition. it wont seem to mount, and i did do an error check through xp.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> kreative,  try to mount it manually, see if theres any error messages
[02:44] <Tuv0k> !ntfs | kreative
[02:44] <ubotu> kreative: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[02:44] <Luckrider> does anyone know how to resize my current Hardy Partition so that I can install Gentoo without deleting Hardy?
[02:44] <Sergeant_Pony> brb
[02:44] <kreative> !ntfs
[02:44] <Tuv0k> Luckrider, use a livecd?
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Luckrider,  gparted on a live cd - is one way. Byut that can often confuse the UUID entries in the menu.lst and fstab
[02:44] <Luckrider> ok
[02:45] <Dr_willis> You could just put gentoo in a vmware session. :)
[02:45] <Luckrider> so gparted on a live cd
[02:45] <Luckrider> thanks
[02:45] <Luckrider> that too
[02:45] <kreative> Let me do some reading
[02:49] <kreative> so, the automatic script requires that nothing be in the /etc/fstab file
[02:49] <kreative> Would it be alright to erase the contents of the file?
[02:51] <homeslice> anyone get there wiimote working with Hardy? I'm able to connect with the wiimote applet but and it shows as a joypad but I can't find the device ( I looked at /dev/input/ )  :(
[02:51] <homeslice> I'm soooo close
[02:56] <swuboo> homeslice:  I have no input for you, but I suddenly have an overwhelming desire to get a bluetooth card.
[02:57] <derspankster> swuboo" why?
[02:57] <reya276> how can I tell if a Wacom Tablet is being recognized by the OS?
[02:57] <xtknight> anyone having issues w/ VMware and hardy?  i'm getting a hard crash when resuming a VM.
[02:57] <swuboo> derspankster:  Because wiimotes operate on Bluetooth.
[02:57] <bazhang> thought they were IR
[02:58] <derspankster> suboo: oh, I wouldn't know anything about that
[02:58] <reya276> Ok should I re-install Hardy to get my Wacom Tablet to work?
[02:58] <swuboo> wiili.org says bluetooth on the main page.
[02:58] <homeslice> swuboo:  I understand
[02:58] <homeslice> yes it is bluetooth
[02:58] <swuboo> derspankster:  Me neither, but it sounds like something worth figuring out.  A motion sensitive remote could be a really great thing to have.
[02:59] <homeslice> swuboo: plus it make a great 2-3 button gamepad too
[02:59] <Dr_willis> reya276,  I had to alter my xorg.conf to get my tablet working properly
[02:59] <souper> has anyone had an issue with the livecd freezing at 97% of loading the kernel? I tried using the all_generic_ide option with no luck.
[03:00] <reya276> I already did that too
[03:00] <Dr_willis> reya276,  it worked with its basic functions no problem. but to use the advanced pen features i had to do some tweaking.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> then i had to configure gimp tio actually use the pen
[03:00] <swuboo> homeslice:  Sure, but I'm thinking more as a media controller; waving the thing around to fast-forward and such.
[03:00] <reya276> ﻿Dr_willis: right but I can't do anything not even the basic functions
[03:00] <reya276> ﻿Dr_willis: is like is not there
[03:00] <gotgn1> Is everyone else getting a lot of updates ?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> reya276,  a lot may depend ont he exact tablet. Id check the hardy forums. i DO recall in the docs that the tablet had to be plugged in when X started. No hotplugging of it allowed.
[03:01] <Dr_willis> work timne for me. bye all
[03:01] <reya276> ﻿Dr_willis: I have a Bamboo Fun Tablet
[03:01] <kreative> alright. got the ntfs working, but now im trying to use my music folder from windows for my amarok library
[03:01] <souper> i also checked the md5sum of the image and it's golden
[03:01] <kreative> bit confused because it does not show up in amarok, even though it does show up in the filesystem view
[03:01] <swuboo> gotgn1:  Constant, undending torrents of updates.  It is the week before the stable release, after all.
[03:01] <reya276> ﻿Dr_willis: oh yeah I checked the forums, and there are people whom it works for, but not for me, which is weird
[03:02] <Tuv0k> Dr_willis has quit ("Leaving")
[03:03] <gotgn1> ﻿swuboo: ok so it is normal ?
[03:03] <swuboo> gotgn1:  Completely and utterly.
[03:04] <decay> anyone else get "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. " when starting compiz? (which fails to start)
[03:04] <RussellGee> yeap..
[03:04] <RussellGee> it was after the X updates
[03:04] <RussellGee> just need to reinstall your driver
[03:04] <RussellGee> X updates sometimes break your driver
[03:06] <Niriven> cwillu, It seems like b43 is broken for my card, unlessi get the latest RC kernel.
[03:06] <derspankster> I'm out for the night. Everything will be fixed with tomorrow's updates - right?
[03:12] <AaronMT> Hi, is there any way to get the default hardy theme thats on the livecd after I did an upgrade update today it lost it
[03:12] <fevel> hey
[03:12] <fevel> how do I upgrade from 7.10 to hardy?
[03:13] <Tuv0k> !theme | AaronMT
[03:13] <ubotu> AaronMT: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:13] <Tuv0k> !upgrade | fevel
[03:13] <ubotu> fevel: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:13] <nullbnx> google "ubuntu upgrade 7.10 to 8.04" and you'll find everything you ever wanted to know =)
[03:13] <nullbnx> fevel, tons of info out there
[03:13] <AaronMT> Yeah it lost that default new hardy theme with the orange border on the left of windows
[03:14] <Tuv0k> why do people hate google?
[03:14] <AaronMT> My theme after updating today is the old human theme
[03:14] <Tuv0k> dude its in the repos
[03:14] <Tuv0k> look
[03:14] <fevel> ok
[03:15] <fevel> thanks
[03:15] <fevel> sorry for that
[03:15] <AaronMT> WHats the new theme called
[03:16] <Tuv0k> your not even going to try huh?
[03:16] <AaronMT> I have human-theme installed, its 7.10's look
[03:17] <KNY> anyone on 64-bit have flash working?
[03:17] <KNY> I ran the package updates today and it doesn't work anymore
[03:17] <Tuv0k> of course
[03:17] <swuboo> KNY:  64 bit here; flash is working for the first time since Feisty for me.
[03:18] <Tuv0k> KNY, check the forums for the excurciating details
[03:18] <AaronMT> Which theme is the one with the orange border on the left of menus
[03:18] <Tuv0k> KNY, and thats coming from someone who said it could not be done
[03:18] <AaronMT> default on the live cd
[03:18] <Tuv0k> AaronMT, stop repeating the same question
[03:18] <KNY> Tuv0k, the Flash 9 install script?
[03:19] <swuboo> AaronMT:  Every theme involving the word Human in the title has orange to the lefto f the mnues, except legacy.
[03:19] <AaronMT> Its missing after I did an upgrade today, it where there upon initial install
[03:19] <Tuv0k> KNY, what have you done to get flash working already?
[03:19] <AaronMT> Its the 7.10 look right now, despite my theme selected is titled "Human"
[03:20] <swuboo> AaronMT:  I would do a google search, I imagine if any of us knew, we would have told you.
[03:20] <KNY> Tuv0k, nothing, really. When I first installed Ubuntu and went to a Flash site, FF prompted for missing plugins, I clicked through the dialogs, and it worked
[03:20] <Tuv0k> AaronMT, I gave you the links twice
[03:20] <KNY> now today, after updates, it doesn't work
[03:20] <Tuv0k> KNY, do what you do over again
[03:20] <kona> Hi - Using XChat - Anyone know how I save this channel - so when I start XChat this channel will load as well as #ubuntu ? ? ?
[03:20] <KNY> kona, ctrl+s
[03:20] <Tuv0k> kona, read the xchat documentation?
[03:21] <KNY> then find "freenode", click edit
[03:21] <KNY> Tuv0k, okay
[03:21] <Tuv0k> KNY, in Hardy it just works
[03:21] <swuboo> KNY:  Rather than installing flash from within Firefox, you might want to consider flashplugin-nonefree from Synaptic.
[03:21] <Tuv0k> that if all else fails
[03:21] <kona> TuvOK: will do - sorry i posted a dumb question...
[03:21] <swuboo> KNY: And either way grab libflashsupport
[03:22] <Tuv0k> not dumb
[03:22] <Tuv0k> just make the effort
[03:22] <KNY> did it break for anyone else recently?
[03:22] <KNY> or did I just get lucky?
[03:22] <Tuv0k> there is sooo much documentationo on how to do all this repetitive stuff
[03:23] <Tuv0k> updates sometimes resets things in BETA ware
[03:23] <kona> TuvOK: Just newbie with ubuntu - thought someone would have quick answer - will take some time out to the documentation
[03:23] <KNY> Tuv0k, I realize that, I'm just wondering if I was the only one :)
[03:23] <kona> read
[03:23] <KNY> kona, I answered up there
[03:24] <Tuv0k> KNY, dunno maybe :)
[03:24] <kona> KNY: thx
[03:24] <KNY> Tuv0k, removing/installing fixed it. many thanks to you both
[03:24] <Tuv0k> see easy:)
[03:24] <swuboo> Sure.
[03:24] <Tuv0k> don't panic, just try stuff
[03:24] <Tuv0k> searchh google, synaptic and the forums
[03:24] <Tuv0k> you will usually not need to ask after that
[03:25] <Tuv0k> and if you do, it will be a detailed query, from which we can pick you up from where you stalled :)
[03:25] <Tuv0k> much luv, and ubuntu, and all that!
[03:27] <martalli> It there a place to find the standard sources.list for hardy?
[03:28] <bazhang> martalli: standard for what locale?
[03:28] <martalli> I have my original sources.list...but it was for gutsy.  I am in the us
[03:28] <bazhang> martalli: then it will be the same except that gutsy will be hardy in the sources list (unless you have some wierd third party repos)
[03:29] <Tuv0k> martalli, change all the gutsy words with hardy
[03:29] <Tuv0k> easy
[03:29] <martalli> OK.  My current one is cluttered by old settings, "#added by software properties" and so on
[03:29] <Tuv0k> if you hoohle for hardy source.list you'll find one as well
[03:29] <bazhang> martalli: using automatix or other third party script?
[03:30] <martalli> The ones I added myself (medibuntu and google) are all together nicely
[03:30] <Tuv0k> google
[03:30] <Tuv0k> google really has everything
[03:30] <martalli> yeah
[03:30] <Tuv0k> all I do is put users queries from here straight into the search bar, and viola, like magic!
[03:30] <martalli> You know, since the installer writes it out for you, wouldnt you think there is a package to spit out a "standard" sources.list for your locale
[03:31] <Sergeant_Pony> Under 3rd party software updates should I take out the one for 7.10 gutsy gibbon?
[03:31] <martalli> It's got to be in there somewhere
[03:31] <checkers> my local repository is missing a few of the packages from the latest lot of updates.. is there a problem with them?
[03:31] <Tuv0k> checkers, most likely
[03:31] <Tuv0k> Sergeant_Pony, of course
[03:32] <Tuv0k> martalli, check /etc/apt/
[03:34] <martalli> Tuv0k: Oh, I know where my sources.list is
[03:34] <Tuv0k> that was not the point
[03:34] <martalli> checkers: Are they kdm, kdedesktop, and so on?
[03:35] <Tuv0k> if you look there there is genreally a default source.list to answer your question
[03:36] <Sergeant_Pony> Tuv0k: thanks took that out and there were 34 updates
[03:37] <Tuv0k> your welcome
[03:38] <checkers> martalli: no, libgweather(1|common))
[03:38] <checkers> -)
[03:38] <martalli> ah...kubuntu here
[03:39] <martalli> It might be that they are still working on packages and the other dependencies aren't done
[03:39] <alexvd_> hi I am still having troubles doing a dist upgrade from gutsy to hardy.  THe update manager hangs on checking packages
[03:39] <martalli> Packages being held back are fairly common
[03:40] <martalli> alexvd_: Did you just change the sources list and do a dist-upgrade?
[03:40] <alexvd_> martalli: I didnt change the sources list.  I just commented out the third party ones
[03:41] <martalli> update-manager -d will do that for you.
[03:42] <martalli> It worked for me very well, but that was a month or more ago...I currrently have some major packages being held back (kdebase, eg).  Maybe there are some dependencies not yet resolved and that is holding update-manager from proceeding with the upgrade
[03:42] <alexvd_> i have been doing a run command of update-manager --devel-release isnt that the same thing?
[03:43] <martalli> alexvd_: yes it is
[03:44] <alexvd_> So I cant figure out how to get to Hardy. I have seen lots of bugs about it but no real resolution.  I thought that it was a problem with the version of update manager I had but today thier was update for the update manager and it still didnt fix it.  This is really annoying
[03:45] <martalli> yeah, saw that come through on my ubuntu-gutsy box
[03:45] <martalli> are you runnign ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:45] <alexvd_> ubuntu gutsy clean install
[03:45] <martalli> Does the beta cd boot / install on your computer?
[03:46] <alexvd_> i havent tried that yet.  its a tablet so that means i have to drag my external drive out.
[03:46] <martalli> Hmmm, I would just wait for the final release, instead of fiddling too much at this point
[03:47] <alexvd_> my fear is that I wont be able to upgrade then either
[03:47] <martalli> How is the tablet with ubuntu?  Does it recognize your pen well?  Is there handwriting recognition for ubuntu?
[03:48] <alexvd_> recognizes pen out of box.  handwriting is weak, not as good as vista or xp
[03:48] <martalli> In that case you might consider a bug report.  I would at least see if the beta cd will boot on your tablet in livecd mode and make sure that the kernel (at least the one from then) is working on your machine
[03:49] <alexvd_> i supposed i could just add to the bugs that are already out.  They say its fixed in a future of version of update manager but I cant figure out how to get that
[03:53] <icanhas_> Here's one. I select fglrx. asks me to restart. i restart. it's still unchecked. anyone?
[03:54] <icanhas_> i download it manually. nothing. i edit the xorg.conf, there's not even a "Driver" line there by default
[03:55] <mheath> icanhas_: Did you update your system fully first?
[03:55] <icanhas_> mheath: yessir
[03:56] <icanhas_> mheath: next thing, i'm going to build debs from ati's driver.. and edit manually to add a "Driver" line, prolly won't work tho
[03:56] <mheath> icanhas_: OK
[04:12] <Maquiasfarano> ﻿Anybody here using Hardy with latest upgrades from this day?
[04:13] <icanhas_> yep
[04:13] <icanhas_> and my fglrx got owned :(
[04:13] <icanhas_> bash is acting funny too
[04:13] <Maquiasfarano> My openoffice's splash was replaced by a weird black screen with a blue progress bar... did this happen to you, too?
[04:13] <icanhas_> Maquiasfarano: no, but ask calc, he's the man with that
[04:14] <icanhas_> meanwhile, i can't "sudo ./file_name", it tells me it's not found, and if i ./filename i don't have access. i even tried chmod +x and chowning
[04:15] <swuboo> Maquiasfarano:  Uh, yes.  Actualy.
[04:16] <Maquiasfarano> icanhas_: did you confirm if chmod/chown commands really did their effect?
[04:16] <swuboo> Maquiasfarano:  I can't say definitively it replaced it today, but as of right now, my splash screen for OO.org is black with a blue status bar.
[04:16] <icanhas_> Maquiasfarano: describe confirm? hold on i'm just going to try sudo -i 'ing
[04:17] <Maquiasfarano> swuboo: I'm not sure if it was today too... but well, there was an openoffice.org update today, that's why I guessed
[04:17] <icanhas_> ok, i'm LOGGED IN AS ROOT and it says permission denied.. wtf?
[04:17] <d3lf1n0>  Know tell me if my modem trustmd4050 serves to force a splitter ... because does not connect to ubuntu: (
[04:17] <icanhas_> the OOo thing is calc's fault, bug him
[04:17] <icanhas_> calc: stop breaking shthings.
[04:17] <Maquiasfarano> icanhas_: by confirm I mean reading 'ls -l ' output
[04:18] <icanhas_> Maquiasfarano: you're right, chmod didn't work, but i'm logged in as root and it still says i have no access
[04:18] <RAOF> icanhas_: You're on a filesystem with noexec set? :)
[04:18] <icanhas_> RAOF: describe further? it's ext3
[04:19] <Maquiasfarano> icanhas_: maybe your filesystem was mounted with "weird" permissions...
[04:19] <d3lf1n0> How do I connect my router to ubuntu? Thanks
[04:19] <Maquiasfarano> did you mount it manyally, editing fstab or something like that?
[04:20] <humitos> hello
[04:21] <humitos> I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade but it say me that the package "kdebase-bin kdesktop kdm" "se han retenido"
[04:21] <RAOF> icanhas_: The output of 'mount' may help; it should show the mount options used for your filesystems.
[04:22] <d3lf1n0> can you help me?
[04:22] <icanhas_> rw,relatime... i need something else don't it?
[04:22] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  You meant beyond saying, "Via a cat4 cable with an RJ-45 jack?"
[04:22] <icanhas_> RAOF: how do i set other permissions?
[04:23] <Maquiasfarano> d3lf1no: if your router is well configured, Ubuntu will setup itself automatically according to router's configuration
[04:23] <d3lf1n0> no a splitter 	
[04:23] <d3lf1n0> With two holes
[04:23] <RAOF> icanhas_: Can you pastebin the output of mount?  I don't hove enough information.
[04:24] <icanhas_> RAOF: my /home is on a different partition than the rest of my linux driver
[04:24] <RAOF> icanhas_: And I still need the output of mount, please.
[04:24] <d3lf1n0> one for the modem and two for phone...serves this?
[04:24] <icanhas_> RAOF: /dev/sda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,relatime) <-- for that partition
[04:25] <Fritzel> does anyone know what television network smallville is on in the usa?
[04:25] <icanhas_> Fritzel: i believe CW11?
[04:25] <Shadow420> I am going to install hardy on my pc for testing purposes and I want to add its booting to my current grub install
[04:26] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  I'm still not entirely sure I understand.  Ideally, if you plug your computer into your router, it ought to simply work.  What exactly is the problem?
[04:26] <Fritzel> yeah that's what I keep seeing here, but that sounds like a station,
[04:27] <swuboo> Fritzel:  I believe it's a network, actually.
[04:27] <icanhas_> Fritzel: it used to be the WB, now it's the CW.
[04:27] <Fritzel> any idea what cw stands for?
[04:27] <d3lf1n0> The problem is that it connects automatically and then does not work
[04:27] <swuboo> Frtizel:  Something Warner.
[04:27] <icanhas_> RAOF: is that still not enough info?
[04:28] <swuboo> Ftizel:  The eleven is appended to the end because its main station is WPIX 11 in New York City.
[04:28] <Fritzel> I'm trying to find their root website so I hopefully find them streaming episodes, I've never seen the show and want to see what it's all about
[04:28] <RAOF> icanhas_: That should be OK.
[04:28] <swuboo> d3lfin0:  Is the problem that you're not getting connection to websits?
[04:28] <RAOF> icanhas_: And the output when you try to change permissions?
[04:28] <icanhas_> RAOF: so where am i missing here? shouldn't sudo ./file work?
[04:28] <Shadow420> well to put simply I want to add Hardy to my current menu.lst in grub
[04:28] <icanhas_> RAOF: no output when i try to change permissions
[04:28] <RAOF> icanhas_: Yes, if ./file is executable.
[04:28] <RAOF> icanhas_: So what was the problem again?
[04:28] <icanhas_> RAOF: gives me permission denied.
[04:28] <mehal88> cw is the result of the merger of upn(a cbs network) and wb(warner bros) they made it cw for Cbs and Warner
[04:28] <Shadow420> after I install hardy
[04:29] <swuboo> d3lfin0:  You might have to find out what your ISP's DNS servers are, and put them into your network settings.
[04:29] <d3lf1n0> yes Precisely swuboo
[04:29] <Fritzel> mehal88: ahh ok thank you
[04:29] <RAOF> icanhas_: What is the contents of './file', and it _is_ executable, right?
[04:29] <Fritzel> meh, no online episodes :/ gotta find something else to watch
[04:29] <icanhas_> RAOF: it is 100 percent executable. i've done it multiple times prior. it's a driver install file. i want ot --buildpkg from it.
[04:30] <d3lf1n0> I have already done put all settings  swuboo
[04:30] <swuboo> d3lfin0:  Do you have your ubuntu computer running right now?
[04:30] <d3lf1n0> no now no...i'm whit windows
[04:30] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  Hmm.  If you open firefox and tell it to go to 64.233.161.18 does it work?
[04:30] <Shadow420> RAOF use sudo before ./
[04:31] <d3lf1n0> mmmmmmmm 	
[04:31] <d3lf1n0> I must try this ip address ...
[04:31] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  That IP is google's main page---if you can access that, then your problem is that URL's aren't resolving.
[04:31] <Maquiasfarano> icanhas_: can sorry if I'm asking it again, I just forgot because I had to restart the computer... can you show ls -l output for this file you're trying to execute
[04:31] <Maquiasfarano> ?
[04:32] <RAOF> icanhas_: Is it a script, and is it trying to access things which _aren't_ executable?
[04:32] <d3lf1n0> ok swuboo thank you very much i will try...^^
[04:32] <icanhas_> RAOF: -rw-r--r-- 1 root username 53433193 2008-04-15 23:01 ati-driver-installer-8-3-x86.x86_64.run <-- and no, i've used this exact file to --buildpkg many times in the passt
[04:32] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  If that's the case---that that IP loads in firefox but google.com doesn't, then you need to go to your ISP's website, or call them, and ask for the IP's of their DNS servers.  Take the IP's they give you and go to System>Network Settings.
[04:33] <RAOF> icanhas_: Notice the distinct lack of 'execute'?
[04:33] <Shadow420> can hard be installed without upgrading I don't want to screw up my current install of gutsy
[04:33] <Shadow420> hardy*
[04:33] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  There will be a DNS tab, add those IP's to the list.  Hopefully, that should fix your problem.  If it doesn't, come back here and we can try other things.
[04:34] <icanhas_> RAOF: well then why have i been able to do it in the past a zillion times? has something changed?
[04:34] <d3lf1n0> ok thank you...ou have been a great help...
[04:34] <RAOF> icanhas_: Yes, something has changed.  No, I don't know what it is.
[04:34] <d3lf1n0> bye...
[04:34] <d3lf1n0> ^^
[04:34] <icanhas_> RAOF: i see. that does help. thank you
[04:34] <d3lf1n0> you*
[04:34] <RAOF> icanhas_: Why is it owned by root, anyway?
[04:34] <swuboo> d3lf1n0:  Good luck, and you're welcome.
[04:34] <swuboo> I hope it works.
[04:34] <d3lf1n0> ;D
[04:35] <icanhas_> RAOF: no frickin idea. shouldn't chmod +x fix that?
[04:35] <Maquiasfarano> sudo chmod +x should
[04:35] <RAOF> icanhas_: sudo chmod +x should give it execute privs, yes.  sudo chown $USERNAME should make it be owned by you.
[04:36] <mehal88> i just installed hardy, my internet is going much slower than it was in windows
[04:37] <mehal88> i was wondering if theres any logical reason to that?
[04:37] <Maquiasfarano> Which package do you suggest for reporting the openoffice.org splash bug?
[04:37] <Maquiasfarano> openoffice.org ?
[04:38] <Maquiasfarano> sounds obvious but there are usually so many metapackages and stuff like that
[04:38] <mheath> Maquiasfarano: that should work. It'll get moved to the correct package if not.
[04:38] <icanhas_> RAOF: chowning it again seemed to do it this time, odd
[04:38] <Maquiasfarano> ok... by the way, did anyone reported this already (so I avoid reporting duplicate)?
[04:40] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand how to prevent GNOME from automatically creating shortcuts to removable drives on the Desktop when they mount?
[04:41] <Shadow420> can anyone see me?
[04:41] <mehal88> i see you shadow
[04:42] <Shadow420> mehal88 I have a few questions 1 can hardy be installed without upgrading?
[04:43] <mehal88> i am actually new, so i wont be too much help. i believe can. are you currently dualbooting with windows or are you only using another ubuntu?
[04:44] <Shadow420> I am Dual-booting XP/Ubuntu 7.10 but I am using a Grub floppy to boot ubuntu
[04:45] <Sergeant_Pony> why a floppy for grub?
[04:45] <Shadow420> I am just going to make a partition for gutsy
[04:45] <Shadow420> for hardy
[04:45] <Shadow420> because I don't want grub to be my main bootloader
[04:46] <Shadow420> gave my windows install problems
[04:46] <Shadow420> since ubuntu is on another hard drive
[04:46] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm.. works fine here XP/Ubuntu using grub
[04:47] <Shadow420> well I am also on an older PC
[04:47] <swuboo> Shadow420, why not simply make your Ubuntu hard drive the first one on the boot list, so that the MBR of your Windows drive doesn't get touched?
[04:47] <Maquiasfarano> Well, I've reported this splash disappearing problem as bug #218025 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/218025 ). If anyone has anything else to add, please, feel free for doing it.
[04:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218025 in openoffice.org "Openoffice.org splash screen has disappeard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218025
[04:47] <mehal88> shadow420 when you insert the hardy disc while running xp, it'll ask if you want to install it on your windows partition. this way you can test it without repartitioning. but i havent tried it myself. I just overwrote gutsy with hardy since gutsy was giving me problems anyways
[04:48] <icanhas_> w00t, compiz works
[04:48] <mehal88> does anyone have any idea why my internet would be going much slower on hardy than it was on xp?
[04:49] <Shadow420> mehal88 thats true but it's going on my linux hard drive so if gutsy screws up I can re-install it no problems
[04:49] <mehal88> true
[04:49] <tanner> mehal88: could be ipv6
[04:50] <Amaranth> mehal88: slow downloads or slow page loads?
[04:50] <mehal88> both
[04:50] <mehal88> i was trying to update and its getting speeds of about 5 kbs
[04:50] <Amaranth> broadcom wireless?
[04:50] <icanhas_> mehal88: do a bandwidth test in both operating systems, from the same site (like speakeasy)
[04:50] <tanner> add "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:50] <mehal88> im using a wired connection
[04:50] <Shadow420> mehal88 because ubuntu as no limits of installs XP does
[04:51] <tanner> mehal88: do that then reboot; see if the problem presists
[04:51] <Shadow420> mehal88 so I want to leave my XP hd alone
[04:51] <mehal88> actually nvm, i found the reason. it actually had nothing to do with ubuntu vs xp
[04:51] <icanhas_> mehal88: heh, what was it?
[04:52] <mehal88> im at a university, and they limit your speeds when they notice that you're using too much bandwidth
[04:52] <Shadow420> mehal88 can I add hardy's boot info to my current grub menu.lst file
[04:53] <mehal88> shadow420 i do not know much about grub, i'm pretty new to linux
[04:53] <Shadow420> can anyone answer this can I add hardy's boot info to my current grub menu.lst file
[04:54] <tanner> and by "boot info" you mean..
[04:54] <Shadow420> the lines to boot hardy
[04:54] <tanner> run grub-update on your hardy system
[04:54] <tanner> erm
[04:55] <Shadow420> so run grub-update while I am in hardy?
[04:55] <tanner> http://pastebin.com/m47a0cf43
[04:56] <tanner> thats one way, or add that manually, then run grub-update
[04:57] <Shadow420> actually I can run grub-update in hardy then it can get my other OS's information
[04:57] <ToddEDM> hey guys... where can i read about the new features of Hardy
[04:58] <Shadow420> then copy the menu.lst to my main grub
[04:58] <T1m0thy> Has anyone been able to get Wicd working on Hardy? :S
[04:58] <mehal88> okay
[04:58] <Maquiasfarano> ToddEDM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[04:58] <mehal88> much better
[04:58] <Shadow420> because I am going to install grub to the linux partition where hardy will live
[04:59] <tanner> mehal88: ?
[04:59] <mehal88> speeds are much better now
[04:59] <Shadow420> and please not I will be using KDE Enviroment I decided to try it as well as try hardy
[04:59] <tanner> mehal88: what did you do?
[05:00] <Shadow420> and also I ment to say
[05:00] <mehal88> my speeds were limited because of bandwidth overload
[05:00] <mehal88> i just switched my connection and now im back to full speed
[05:01] <calc> icanhas_: which OOo breakage is that?
[05:01] <Shadow420> so now I am going to boot into xp to rip my iso of hardy later
[05:01] <icanhas_> calc: lol, i know using your name would get your attention. 2 different people were talking about odd blue stuck splash screens
[05:01] <calc> icanhas_: hmm interesting
[05:02] <calc> icanhas_: i'm not sure what would be causing that
[05:02] <Maquiasfarano> I've reported it here, calc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/218025
[05:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218025 in openoffice.org "Openoffice.org splash screen has disappeard" [Undecided,New]
[05:02] <calc> icanhas_: there is a new build still working https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/1:2.4.0-3ubuntu4
[05:02] <icanhas_> calc: hey, you still have 8 days ;)
[05:03] <calc> Maquiasfarano: do you have a consistent set of packages (eg all -3ubuntu3)?
[05:03] <calc> Maquiasfarano: if not that would probably be why
[05:03] <calc> Maquiasfarano: and if so that will be fixed by tomorrow
[05:05] <Maquiasfarano> openoffice.org-common is in "ubuntu2" version and some others are in the "ubuntu3" version
[05:05] <Maquiasfarano> So it's ok, I'll wait for the fix :)
[05:07] <calc> Maquiasfarano: that would be why then
[05:07] <calc> Maquiasfarano: the splash is in common iirc and the filename changed in ubuntu3
[05:07] <calc> so there is no splash for it to display
[05:07] <Maquiasfarano> ok... I guess I should wait, anyway, to mark it as fixed.. right?
[05:07] <calc> so it looks black instead
[05:07] <calc> yea
[05:07] <Maquiasfarano> ok
[05:07] <calc> it will be fixed in a few hours
[05:07] <Maquiasfarano> than you for the information
[05:08] <calc> its currently building still
[05:08] <calc> 3ubuntu3 had a bug and failed to build properly
[05:08] <mehal88> okay, so i upgraded to hardy because i read that it is much better at dual screen setups. i am able to get both screens to display, unlike gutsy, but i still cant use it for one large screen, like i do in xp
[05:08] <Maquiasfarano> I wonder how long does openoffice.org takes to compile...
[05:09] <Maquiasfarano> do you know what hardware run under Launchpad.net to build those packages? I have some curiosity on this
[05:09] <^Ocean^> mehal88, What video card
[05:10] <mehal88> intel 945gm
[05:10] <mehal88> its a laptop card
[05:10] <^Ocean^> hmm,  no idea about intel cards...  nvidia is easy tho lol
[05:10] <mehal88> yeah i get that alot
[05:10] <^Ocean^> but you need too play with the Orentation
[05:11] <calc> Maquiasfarano: a long time, takes ~ 3hr multithreaded on my box dual core 2.8GHz 2GB ram
[05:11] <^Ocean^> and how do you mean you cant use it as one big screen like on XP ?
[05:11] <calc> Maquiasfarano: some of the build servers for some platforms takes > 16h to build it
[05:11] <calc> Maquiasfarano: i think the fastest one builds it in about 3.5hr
[05:12] <^Ocean^> thats why i stoped useing slcakware
[05:12] <^Ocean^> Everything was compile your self
[05:12] <mehal88> in xp, it acts like an extended desktop, in ubuntu, all i can get it to do is mirror
[05:12] <Maquiasfarano> Hmm... interesting... thank you for the info
[05:12] <^Ocean^> mirror: you mean clone ?
[05:12] <mehal88> yeah
[05:12] <calc> ^Ocean^: i maintain OOo which is why i am building it :)
[05:13] <Maquiasfarano> I had experience compiling but only some small packages.. nothing this big
[05:13] <^Ocean^> mehal88, past ur xorg.conf file tooo past bin for me .
[05:14] <mehal88> well when i go into screen and graphics prefs, it only has one screen enabled, but both screens are displaying the same thing. the laptop screen's resolution is smaller so only the top left portion of the large screen is displayed
[05:14] <mehal88> okay, hold on
[05:16] <Maquiasfarano> Does anyone has a nice suggestion, integrated to gnome Desktop, for storing passwords safely?
[05:16] <mehal88> http://pastebin.com/d7f697f56
[05:17] <RAOF> Maquiasfarano: There's 'revelation', that probably covers what you want.
[05:18] <^Ocean^> hmm
[05:18] <Maquiasfarano> thank you, I'll try it
[05:18] <^Ocean^> mehal88, http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/10/21/dual-display-with-the-intel-945gm-on-gutsy-gibbon might be of use ...
[05:18] <mehal88> yeah, it looks considerably different than the one i used with gutsy
[05:20] <^Ocean^> mehal88, The one you used with gutsy, should work for hardy too
[05:21] <mehal88> ^ocean^, the gutsy one didnt work for the dual screens though. thats why i stopped using it. when i read that hardy was better with dual screens due to the new x i thought that it might work
[05:21] <^Ocean^> also check: http://blog.dotkam.com/2007/05/18/dual-monitor-on-ubuntu-704-feisty-fawn-nc2400-with-intel-945gm/
[05:22] <RAOF> ^Ocean^: I don't think any of those will work well.
[05:23] <^Ocean^> RAOF, How come ?
[05:23] <RAOF> Because < Hardy won't be using XRandR 1.2, and the setup is significantly different.
[05:24] <^Ocean^> no backwards compatability ?
[05:24] <RAOF> No.
[05:24] <^Ocean^> i think his issue is just needing too specify his layout in the xorg.conf file
[05:24] <RAOF> mehal88: I'd suggest checking out http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[05:25] <RAOF> ^Ocean^: No, that's one of the points.  You *don't* specify your layout :)
[05:25] <^Ocean^> so with the new X you can no longer specifiy your setup ?
[05:25] <RAOF> You can, but it's specified differently.  Furthermore, you don't *have* to specify your layout.
[05:26] <^Ocean^> lol,  Plug n Pray never works for me :)
[05:26] <RAOF> (For example, I don't specify my layout, and gnome-settings-daemon sets up dual-head for me on login)
[05:27] <^Ocean^> so what if the autodetect fails...
[05:27] <^Ocean^> no manual over ride anymore ?
[05:27] <RAOF> There is, but it's different.
[05:27] <RAOF> And you can do it from X, too :)
[05:28] <mehal88> okay i am now having trouble opening firefox
[05:28] <^Ocean^> welcome too beta :)
[05:28] <mehal88> the error i get is "error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser"
[05:29] <RAOF> Woah.  Crazy.
[05:29] <RAOF> File A Bug(tm).  I don't have that problem.
[05:29] <Fritzel> what can cause kubuntu (using ubuntu-desktop, changed my mind after install) to on rare occasion stop listening to keyboard inputs and mouse clicks (mouse movement works fine)
[05:30] <mehal88> should i try restarting and hope it works then?
[05:30] <RAOF> Fritzel: You have an nvidia card?
[05:30] <Fritzel> RAOF:  I do yes
[05:30] <RAOF> mehal88: It's worth a try.  Also try updating.
[05:30] <RAOF> Fritzel: Are you using the funky KDE4 effects, or Compiz?
[05:30] <mehal88> theres an update running, it says 1 minute remaining so i'm going to have to wait for that to finish
[05:31] <Fritzel> compiz, I'm in gnome not kde, I am running kubuntu, but using the gnome-desktop package
[05:31] <RAOF> mehal88: Oh, you probably just caught it at a bad time.
[05:31] <RAOF> Fritzel: Welcome to the wonderful world of nvidia.  Your options include: disable compiz, or disable SMP.  Either of those will remove the conditions underwhich your bug appears.
[05:31] <RyanPrior> My mouse and touchpad just stopped working, but my keyboard still works. How can I reinitialize my mouse driver?
[05:32] <Fritzel> RAOF: what is smp? I thought it had something to do with multicore / multiple processors is that correct?
[05:33] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yes, exactly.
[05:33] <Fritzel> RAOF: what kind of performance loss would I be looking at disabling that?
[05:33] <RAOF> Fritzel: Approximately 50%.  You'd turn off one of your cores.
[05:34] <Fritzel> RAOF well, 3 of my cores actually
[05:34] <RAOF> Oh, so 75%, then :)
[05:34] <RAOF> (This bug has been in the nvidia drivers since the 3rd 100-series driver, and is yet to be fixed)
[05:35] <Fritzel> RAOF: ok well neither of those is an option, what can I kill and restart when that happens?
[05:35] <RAOF> The magic Sysrq-k will kill X (and everything else).
[05:35] <Fritzel> and bring me to what state?
[05:36] <RAOF> GDM will restart X for you.
[05:36] <RAOF> But everything that was running in X will die.
[05:36] <Fritzel> that's fine
[05:36] <Fritzel> what about anything outside of X? what does sysrq k actually tell the system?
[05:37] <RAOF> Sysreq-k is the 'kill keyloggers' button.  It tells the kernel to kill everything running on the current VT.
[05:37] <Fritzel> ahh ok that's perfect then,
[05:38] <RAOF> More frequently used to do exactly what we're doing here.
[05:38] <swuboo> RAOF:  Is SysReq activated in the default Ubuntu kernels?
[05:38] <Fritzel> ok and that will work if my keyboard still appears frozen?
[05:38] <^Ocean^> how would one type that in if the keybored is frozen ?
[05:38] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yes.  Unless the kernel has paniced, this will always work.
[05:38] <RAOF> swuboo: Yes.
[05:39] <swuboo> RAOF:  That is very, very good to know.
[05:39] <Fritzel> ok and now I have to try it because I'm stubborn and don't trust something to be an option till I see it work once myself ><
[05:39] <Fritzel> brb
[05:39] <RAOF> swuboo: So don't accidentally hit sysreq! :)
[05:39] <RyanPrior> My mouse and touchpad just stopped working, but my keyboard still works. How can I reinitialize my mouse?
[05:39] <swuboo> RAOF:  I may put a cover over it.
[05:40] <Fritzel> umm is there a modifier to get to sysrq? it's being interpreted as a screenshot
[05:40] <RAOF> Shift.
[05:40] <Fritzel> thank you
[05:40] <Fritzel> hhe
[05:40] <Fritzel> it still didn't work ^^
[05:40] <swuboo> I thought the modifier was Alt?
[05:40] <RyanPrior> Fritzel: alt+sysrq is the magic wod.
[05:40]  * RAOF tends to use Ctrl+Alt+Shift+sysrq, but I'm not sure which of those are necessary :)
[05:40] <^Ocean^> sysrq == print screen ?
[05:41] <RAOF> Looks like that worked :)
[05:41] <Fritzel> ok it's alt
[05:41] <Fritzel> at least on pc hardware it is
[05:41] <Fritzel> RAOF: now that begs the question, are there other shortcuts?
[05:41] <RAOF> Yes; a whole bunch.
[05:42] <Fritzel> what would I search for if I wanted to peek at them
[05:42] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Many.  Look up SysRq on Google.
[05:42] <crdlb> "Magic SysRq"
[05:42] <RAOF> Google 'magic sysrq key'; there's 'sync disks', 'shutdown' 'reboot', etc.
[05:42] <crdlb> my favorite is 'alt+sysrq+r'
[05:42] <Fritzel> and they're pretty much universal across linux's?
[05:42] <RAOF> They're a kernel feature.
[05:42] <crdlb> which "unraws" the keyboard from X, so that you can switch to a VT
[05:42] <crdlb> it can be disabled, but I doubt any major distros do
[05:43] <Fritzel> ah now that one would be useful too
[05:43] <RAOF> crdlb: I wish the magic sysrq key would understand my dvorak keymapping :)
[05:43] <calc> alt-sysrq s u b does sync unmount reboot
[05:43] <RAOF> Although you obviously need to wait after the 's' and the 'u' :)
[05:45] <kreative>  so im trying to make the complete switch over to ubuntu, but im just curious to see if their are any oracle clients like sql plus or toad for ubuntu.
[05:45] <Fritzel> RAOF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key has a dvorak keymapping
[05:46] <Fritzel> +chart+
[05:46] <ethana2> kreative: I don't know about oracle clients
[05:46] <ethana2> kreative: but we use postgresql and mysql all the time
[05:46] <kreative> eh, we use oracle on a daily basis
[05:46] <ethana2> they don't have a native linux version?
[05:47] <ethana2> I
[05:47] <ethana2> would think that they'd almost have to
[05:47] <kreative> im sure their is a way
[05:47] <ethana2> WINE
[05:47] <kreative> yea
[05:47] <ethana2> Intel-VT
[05:47] <ethana2> AMD-V
[05:48] <mehal88> okay so if i use the randr tutorial at the debain wiki, i may be able to use dual screens?
[05:48] <Fritzel> is sysrq-o a immediate powerdown or the same as the ctrl-alt-delete binding?
[05:48] <RAOF> mehal88: Yes.
[05:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Immediate powerdown.
[05:49] <RAOF> mehal88: Note that you probably only need to set a Virtual line; you can let Screen Resolution do the rest.
[05:50] <mehal88> how do i do that?
[05:50] <mehal88> is xrandr installed already or do i need to get it?
[05:51] <Fritzel> hmm ok that's really wierd, what vt is X supposed to start on by default?
[05:51] <Fritzel> 7 right?
[05:51] <Fritzel> or does the sysrq move it
[05:51] <Fritzel> I'm on 9 for some odd reason
[05:51] <RAOF> mehal88: xrandr is already installed.
[05:52] <RAOF> mehal88: Section II.5 of the Debian wiki page; you need to add a Virtual line to your xorg.conf (because X is brain-dead, and can't resize the framebuffer)
[05:53] <mehal88> okay, another problem that i may run into is that my laptops screen sis 1280 by 800 and my monitor is 1680 by 1050
[05:54] <mehal88> should i set the virtual res to 2960 by 1050 then?
[05:54] <RAOF> So, the problem you'll run into is that you can't run compiz with a virtual size > 2048.
[05:54] <RAOF> mehal88: Yes.  That'd be the right virtual size, if you want them side-by-side.
[05:55] <mehal88> okay, but will windows get lost in the empty space above my laptop's monitor?
[05:55] <RAOF> No.
[05:55] <mehal88> okay
[05:55]  * RAOF uses 3000x3000, even with a single monitor.
[05:55] <RAOF> So that I can then plug in a second monitor, of course.
[05:55] <Fritzel> I think I'd loose windows at that res
[05:56] <mehal88> okay, and is there any easy way to switch to single screen? i only use my laptop's screen at night and when im not in my room(obviously)
[05:57] <RAOF> mehal88: "xrandr --auto" will redetect and turn off any unplugged monitors.
[05:57] <mehal88> okay
[06:00] <mehal88> how do i edit the xorg file so i can save?
[06:00] <mehal88> like what is the command for it?
[06:00] <RAOF> gksudo $EDITOR_OF_CHOICE /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:00]  * RAOF likes the way irssi tab-autocompletes those filenames
[06:01] <mehal88> what is the default editor?
[06:01] <mehal88> is gkedit one?
[06:01] <mehal88> it sounds familat
[06:01] <RAOF> gedit is an editor, yes.
[06:01] <mehal88> familar
[06:01] <mehal88> okay, i was close
[06:01] <RAOF> I use emacs, others use vim/gvim.  Nano is a simple terminal-based editor.  Lots of choice :)
[06:01] <Fritzel> vim -shudder-
[06:02] <swuboo> RAOF:  All quite true, but the *default* editor is generally gedit, no?
[06:02] <mehal88> i like gedit. i guess its just cuz it reminds me of notepad, hah
[06:02] <Fritzel> I haven't used gedit, but I've grown quite accustomed to kate
[06:02] <RAOF> swuboo: No, 'editor' is nano by defalt.
[06:03] <swuboo> RAOF:  Is it really?  Huh.
[06:03] <RAOF> Yes.  Because you can't run gedit from a VT, and you often want to run 'editor' without X (such as, for example, to edit xorg.conf & *fix* X)
[06:03] <swuboo> RAOF:  Quite true, I can see the logic.
[06:04] <Fritzel> this is the first time I've ever used transmission, I love that you can go in and say, ok I need this and this and this, and that's it, keep the bulk away
[06:04] <sailaway85> Thank you all for your help!  .. I managed (with limited experience) to network a xp and linux machine and run  vista  in virtual box networked too.
[06:04] <T1m0thy> Anyone have Wicd working?
[06:08] <mehal88> the error i got was xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 2960x1050)
[06:08] <RAOF> mehal88: That means that your Virtual line isn't working.
[06:09] <RAOF> mehal88: Because X is setting the default framebuffer size based upon the largest screen that you have plugged in (which is 1680x1050, and X wants to let you rotate).
[06:09] <RAOF> mehal88: Want to pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[06:09] <mehal88> i was just about to do that
[06:10] <shadow420> I need to use gparted how do I do that under KDE?
[06:10] <RAOF> shadow420: Install it, and run it.  Basically, the same way as under Gnome.
[06:10] <mehal88> http://pastebin.com/d33eef907
[06:10] <RAOF> shadow420: It should appear in your menu.
[06:11] <shadow420> but under gnome I can use it via terminal
[06:11] <mehal88> should i make the virtual screen 2960 by 1680 instead?
[06:11] <RAOF> shadow420: Ok, then run 'kdesu gparted'
[06:11] <RAOF> mehal88: Have you restarted X since changing your xorg.conf?
[06:11] <mehal88> no
[06:11] <RAOF> Ah :)
[06:12] <RAOF> That's the problem.  Log out and log back in, and everything should work :)
[06:12] <mehal88> oh, sorry, hah, i should have known to do that:-! should i log out and back in or do a complete restart?
[06:12] <swuboo> mehal88:  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will restart X.
[06:13] <shadow420> it's going to take me awhile to get use to KDE I am so used to GNOME
[06:13] <RAOF> swuboo: As will logging out, actually :)
[06:14] <swuboo> RAOF:  True, but the logout button on my install hangs, rather than logging out.  I've gotten used to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.
[06:14] <ripps> Hello, can someone please help me with configuring my pulseaudio server?
[06:15] <RAOF> mehal88: Things being more reasonable now?
[06:15] <RAOF> mehal88: Incidentally, just logging out would have worked :)
[06:15] <mehal88> lol okay, i did the ctrl alt backspace
[06:15] <shadow420> gparted is not a part of the hardy adept installer how do I use the repos?
[06:16] <mehal88> its still cloned, but i think i have to run the command in xrandr again
[06:16] <RAOF> mehal88: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution should work now.
[06:17] <ripps> Pulseaudio doesn't recognize the rear output of my soundcard. Since I use the rear as my primary output, can someone help me get the audio working right.
[06:18] <shadow420> whats the clone for gparted for KDE?
[06:18] <RAOF> shadow420: You should be able to install gparted.
[06:18] <Lynoure> hmm, my newest upgrades would want to remove kubuntu-desktop completely
[06:19] <shadow420> RAOF well gparted is for gnome and when I tried to install x-chat it gave me errors
[06:19] <mehal88> okay
[06:19] <mehal88> wow
[06:19] <mehal88> seems to be working
[06:20] <shadow420> I found my gparted disk so I will just use it
[06:20] <shadow420> I will be back later
[06:20] <RAOF> shadow420: It shouldn't matter; you'll need to install more dependencies on KDE than on GNOME, but any GNOME program should run in KDE and visa versa.
[06:21] <Hydrogen> shadowxp: qtparted
[06:21] <mehal88> i actually had low expectations of this working but it seems to have worked perfectly
[06:21] <Hydrogen> oh
[06:21] <Hydrogen> wrong shadow
[06:21] <RAOF> mehal88: Yes.  Once you get past the initial braindead-ness, it Just Works.
[06:22] <RAOF> mehal88: Apparently the next or next-but-one Xorg release should remove the rediculous need for the Virtual line, and it will _really_ Just Work.
[06:22] <Ahmuck> hi.  i have no sound in kubuntu hardy
[06:22] <ripps> So... nobody here knows anything about PulseAudio.
[06:23] <ripps> Great, don't mind me while I pound my head until it's a bloody stump on the wall
[06:23] <swuboo> ripps:  There's a couple of packages in Synaptic that deal with configuring pulseaudio servers.
[06:23] <mehal88> RAOF, thanks. just one more thing, i want to make the laptop the main screen and the external the secondary. there used to be a screen prefs in apps>other, but its not there anymore, and I remember the possibility of changing it there
[06:23] <swuboo> But that would be all I know.
[06:23] <ethana2> We made a lot of transitions that will really start solidifying in Intrepid
[06:24] <ethana2> ..right now, even the release will probably have /slightly/ rough edges
[06:25] <swuboo> ripps:  Have you tried paman and paprefs?  My only thoughts for you, really.
[06:26] <RAOF> mehal88: I'm not sure, sorry.
[06:26] <mehal88> well thanks anyways, you've been a world of help
[06:26] <ripps> I installed a bunch of apps. One I have lets me see the volume meters and stuff
[06:27] <ripps> I can even see the a volume meter that moves, showing that the pulse is recieving sound data, It just won't goto the right part of my soundcard
[06:28] <swuboo> ripps:  Soundcard driver issue, maybe?
[06:28] <ripps> Well, I use the rear ports of my Soundblaster Live! to ensure compatiblity with my KX Drivers in Windows
[06:29] <ripps> Besides, the rear ports of a higher quality DAC, so it's more desirable to use them
[06:29] <swuboo> ripps:  Well, like I said, I don't really have any idea.  The best I can do is make bloody obvious suggestions like that.
[06:30] <ripps> My theory is that HAL isn't sending Pulse all the outputs. It's only sending the front, but completely ingnoring the rears. Which is crap, if you ask me.
[06:31] <mehal88> RAOF, when i restart all the settings should stay the same right?
[06:31] <calc> oh well a new upload for OOo 3ubuntu5 just uploaded
[06:31] <calc> but it appears that the release manager will let 3ubuntu4 get into the archive before starting it to build
[06:32] <ripps> I'd switch everything back to using alsa and oss if I could, but I can't seem to get flash to do that. It insists on sticking with pulse.
[06:32] <RAOF> mehal88: The settings you've set through Screen Resolution will be re-applied on login.
[06:34] <mehal88> i just want to make sure that i will be able to log-in, in the past i've had an issue where i couldnt see the login screen completely because the resolution was off
[06:35] <swuboo> ripps:  There's a package called libflashsupport.  That package forces flash to use Pulse, so if you remove it, you might be able to get flash to use ALSA again.
[06:36] <RAOF> mehal88: Right; that shouldn't happen.  Everything should be fine :)
[06:36] <ripps> swuboo: Hmmm.... that might work. But I'm gonna poke around a couple more IRC channels before I try that.
[06:36] <swuboo> ripps:  By all means.  I'm glad to have provided you with a tool of desperation.
[06:36] <mehal88> okay i just wanted to make sure before i try it. okay i hopefully will be back soon
[06:39] <mehal88> wow, hardy restarts are much faster than gusty
[06:43] <mehal88> i am having an issue with sound, as im increasing the volume, the volume bar appears but the bar doesnt increase, it just jumps up and down
[06:43] <mehal88> i am using an external sound card, creative xmod,
[06:43] <[Neurotic]> heya, just wondering if anyone has managed to get scx-recorder (http://scx-tools.sourceforge.net/) working with skype, under Hardy?
[06:46] <cube> !joomla
[06:46] <ubotu> joomla information can be had here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Joomla
[06:46] <ripps> mehal88, you might not be control the right mixer.
[06:47] <mehal88> i just connected it to the computer directly, and unplugged my xmod and its working
[06:47] <ripps> First, open you volume controls and figure out which one controls your audio by moving them while playing music or something
[06:48] <ripps> Okay.... nevermind then
[06:48] <mehal88> im plugging the xmod back in
[06:49] <Kadko> Hello i have a problem with emerald, when i try to open it, it say me: Can not found ~/.emerald/themes, and i'll try to open that directory and it apper as Can not show the directory what can i do?
[06:49] <mehal88> volume control says hda intel
[06:49] <mehal88> (alsa mixer)
[06:49] <ripps> Well... I found a channel for pulseaudio, but nobody there is apparently *there*
[06:51] <ripps> mehal88: does your computer have an internal soundcard?
[06:51] <mehal88> when i go to sound prefs, everything is set to autodetect except sound capture(stac92xx analog) and default mixer track(hda intel)
[06:51] <mehal88> yes.
[06:51] <ripps> hda intel is your internal soundcard, i believe.
[06:51] <mehal88> yes i think so too
[06:52] <mehal88> i have a sigmatel stac92xx c-major hd internal sound card
[06:53] <ripps> But you want it use your external soundcard, correct?
[06:53] <mehal88> yes
[06:53] <mehal88> so i should change the default mixer track to creative xmod (alsa mixer)?
[06:54] <ripps> Yes, try that.
[06:54] <mehal88> okay
[06:54] <mehal88> but currently i have a video playing, and its using my laptops speakers, not the xmod and portable speakers like i want it to
[06:57] <ripps> Huh... Sorry, but I'm not to familiar with the quirks of external soundcards. Only other thing I can suggest is blacklisting your internal soundcard and booting up with xmod plugged in.
[06:57] <mehal88> i just changed the sound events and music and movies to usb audio and the sound is very low. i have the sound on my external speakers set to max, and i cant increase the volume on the computer
[06:58] <mehal88> well the quirk of that is that im using a laptop, so i wont be using my external soundcard all the time.
[06:59] <ripps> Change your device mixer to your usb device and max all the channels. Also, make sure there aren't any hidden mixers in the preferences.
[06:59] <ripps> *Volume Control -> Edit -> Preferences
[07:00] <mehal88> only master and pcm are checked
[07:00] <mehal88> there is iec958, capture, capture mux, and input source unchecked
[07:01] <mehal88> wait no
[07:02] <mehal88> that was for the hda
[07:02] <mehal88> for the xmod, i have pcm, pcm capture, pcm capture source, mic, auto gain control, up down
[07:02] <mehal88> pcm and mic are checked
[07:05] <mehal88> when trying to click and drag the volumes on pcm, its like it has a mind of its own. the two sides with unlink and jump up and down
[07:05] <mehal88> i think i am going to save using the xmod to xp until the final release is out hopefully it'll be fixed there.
[07:06] <mehal88> it used to work fine in gutsy
[07:07] <mehal88> RAOF, are you there? I was wondering what the command for releasing the external monitor was
[07:09] <shadow420> how do I install hardy to a partition I made and make sure grub installs to where hardy lives
[07:09] <shadow420> I have my reasons
[07:11] <Jordan_U> shadow420, Advanced option in ubiquity
[07:14] <shadow420> ok my parition is reconized as /dev/sdb3 since it's going on my second hd it's reconized as hd1 so I type hd1,3?
[07:14] <Flannel> shadow420: hd1,2
[07:16] <ripps> F*CK YEAH! I got PulseAudio working!
[07:17] <Lynoure> I wonder what the asterist stands for... :)
[07:17] <Lynoure> s/ist/isk/
[07:17] <shadow420> Flannel the partition is /dev/sdb3 is it because of the zero based system linux uses so it's hd1,2?
[07:18] <Flannel> shadow420: Yes, b=2, 3=3, minus 1 for each == 1,2
[07:18] <ethana2> I can't wait to alpha test Intrepid Ibex ^_^ ...I am so going to keep a stable OS around this time though.....
[07:19] <shadow420> Flannel thanks man
[07:20] <RAOF> mehal88: xrandr --output $WHATEVER_THE_OUTPUT_IS --off
[07:21] <mehal88> oh okay, so it would be like xrandr --output vga --off?
[07:23] <RAOF> mehal88: Running just 'xrandr' will tell you what all your outputs are called.
[07:23] <RAOF> mehal88: It'll probably be something like "VGA-0"
[07:24] <mehal88> as far as i remember, one was vga and the other was lvds
[07:24] <mehal88> yeah, its vga and lvds
[07:25] <RAOF> Oh, cool.  That changes driver to driver.  Mine are VGA-0, LVDS-0, and DVI-D-0
[07:25] <mehal88> oh okay
[07:25] <mehal88> thanks
[07:26]  * RAOF wonders if that is enough information to determine that he's using nouveau.
[07:26] <mehal88> ?
[07:27] <RAOF> Whether the names of my outputs are specific to nouveau.
[07:27] <mehal88> oh
[07:28] <Shadow420> Flannel well /dev/sdb2 is my extended/swap partition
[07:31] <matyy> tell me, should this pulse audio stuff work in hardy right now?
[07:31] <matyy> is it supposed to?
[07:32] <ripps> matyy: what's the problem
[07:33] <matyy> ripps: I have sound, but, I heard you should be able to control the volume of every single program, pulse audio mixer can't connect tough, padsp doesn't work always (sometimes it does, sometimes it does't)
[07:34] <matyy> i just want to know if that all is supposed to work, if not, than i don't really care, if yes, i try to fix it^ ^
[07:34] <ripps> Don't know. I just managed to get mine working.
[07:35] <mehal88> i just used the xrandr command, it worked great, thank you
[07:35] <matyy> so you can control each running programms volume?
[07:36] <ripps> Well, if the program is using pulse, then I usually see in the PulseAudio Volume Control.
[07:36] <matyy> ok, cool, so it can work, that's allready enough for me to try it ^^
[07:36] <ripps> But not all programs use pulse. So they wouldn't show up.
[07:36] <matyy> yeah, but the pulsaudio mixer "can't connect to server" so I supose it's not running
[07:37] <ripps> Yeah, pulse occasionally crashes in some programs, then you have to restart it.
[07:37] <matyy> it's not occasionally here
[07:37] <ripps> Don't really have a suggestion for that, still trying to figure alot of this stuff out myself
[07:37] <matyy> padsp seems to crash it always
[07:38] <ripps> I'm just happy I've got Youtbe working again
[07:38] <matyy> but if it works, teamspeak works great
[07:38] <matyy> and that's a small sensation^^
[07:40] <matyy> how do I restart the pulse audio server, ripps?
[07:44] <ripps> killall pulseaudio
[07:44] <ripps> then "pulseaudio"
[07:46] <matyy> ok...that's easy^^
[07:47] <tanner> erm, i really hate ext3
[07:48] <ripps> what's wrong with ext3?
[07:48] <tanner> fragmentation among other things
[07:49] <ripps> Really? Never had that much problem, although, I keep most of my files on a portable ntfs partition that I defrag in Windows... so haven't really put it the test I guess
[07:50] <tanner> now i have to back everything up and format the drives :-\
[07:50] <tanner> XFS ftw
[07:50] <matyy> how do you test the fragmentation?
[07:51] <tanner> sudo filefrag -v file
[07:51] <tanner> no way to my knowledge to test the entire filesystem for fragmentation (another problem with ext3)
[07:52] <matyy> thx, gonna try that, never "felt" fragmention, could be interesting tough
[07:52] <tanner> ext3 really doesnt handle large files well
[07:52] <shadow420> is there a way to add hard to my grub menu.lst
[07:53] <ripps> I heard there was a defrag package for ext filesystems
[07:53] <tanner> ripps, ext2
[07:53] <tanner> shadow420: run grub-update
[07:53] <shadow420> ok
[07:54] <ripps> pyfragtools is suppose to wort with ext2 and 3, I heard
[07:55] <kpanic> upgrading right now, hope it goes well
[07:56] <matyy> so is "ext3 doesn't fragment" an urban legend?
[07:56] <ripps> It resists fragmentation in everyday use, but any fs can become fragmented if abused
[07:57] <ripps> and that abuse is called bittorrent
[07:59] <shadow420> my partition is /dev/sdb3 what do I replace (hd0) with to make grub install to where hardy lives
[07:59] <ripps> I *think* a better fs for large files is XFS.
[07:59] <Finnish_> Is there an app to check out my wireless connection state?
[07:59] <cpk1> I am pretty sure I remember ext3 print a fragmentation summary before...
[08:00] <shadow420> my extended is /dev/sdb2 and my swap is /dev/sdb5
[08:01] <cpk1> if you are installing to the second hard drive then it would be hd1
[08:01] <ripps> We'll all have to wait for ext4, which is supposed to have a built-in defragmentor
[08:02] <cpk1> but you only need to tell it to boot from there not install a mbr since I am assuming you already have a mbr on sda
[08:02] <cpk1> sdb3 is hd1,2 in grub shadow420
[08:02] <shadow420> ok I was being sure
[08:04] <swuboo> Does anyone know offhand whether it's possible to set the system clock in GNOME to display a calendrical system other than the Gregorian?
[08:06] <ripps> Oh, I forgot. I have one other annoyance with Hardy that I can't fix: desktop and Nautilus won't switch icons according to my theme
[08:07] <swuboo> ripps:  How is the Desktop supposed to change?  It's just a background image with icons on it, no?
[08:08] <ripps> I use the Noia Warm Icon set, and it works in all my programs and the panels, but it won't change for the Computer/Trash/and drive icons on my desktop and nautilus
[08:08] <bullgard4> What 'type' prints the English version of gnome-search-tool for the file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[08:08] <ripps> Just kinda weird. Work perfectly in Gutsly
[08:09] <swuboo> ripps:  Interesting.  I used the Appearances option to change icon sets, and the Desktop and Nautilus switched over perfectly.
[08:09] <ripps> My will only switch between Human and Clearlooks, I think.
[08:09] <pheld> Hmmm... 8 days to go and still no FF3 translations in the repo. That could quickly become a nightmare in places where 10+ languages are mandatory on every installation.
[08:10] <bullgard4> pheld: Instead of complining you could have collaborated creating it.
[08:11] <bullgard4> complaining
[08:12] <ripps> Oh, I found a couple other icon sets that work, but of the ones I installed don't work
[08:12] <pheld> that's hardly a one-person job. Then it's actually easier to create my own setup that polls and installs individual binary packs from mozilla and put a script in front that selects the right binary from $LANG
[08:12] <ripps> *only a few of the ones I installed work
[08:12] <ripps> Maybe all the Icons sets I installed don't work in this version?
[08:13] <tanner> >.>
[08:13] <tanner> yes, a new backup system must be built
[08:14] <starscalling> rawr
[08:14] <shadow420> I am not going to mess with something like that I am new to KDE I mainly wanted to give it a try plus try the new ubuntu I mainly used GNOME but KDE looks good I will decide weather to stay with GNOME or have 1 ubuntu with GNOME and another with KDE
[08:14] <ripps> Actually, I know what it's doing. It's switching to the Gnome default theme in those cases
[08:14] <starscalling> so this jeos [juice] is specifically a vmware image?
[08:14] <tanner> really, what genius thought to not only gzip the entire contents of your backup, but also gzip it to the drive your backing up >.>
[08:14] <starscalling> shadow420: i cant wait for kde4
[08:14] <starscalling> going to switch from gnome for that
[08:14] <starscalling> :P
[08:15] <Jordan_U> starscalling, What are you waiting for then ?
[08:15] <starscalling> still broken last try
[08:15] <shadow420> starscaling whats the difference of GNOME and KDE?
[08:16] <shadow420> starscalling whats the difference of GNOME and KDE?
[08:16] <ripps> KDE resemebles Windows a little more
[08:16] <tanner> O.o
[08:16] <bullgard4> pheld: Translating in Ubuntu is not a one-person job. Therefore I used the word "collaborate".
[08:16] <tanner> Windows Resembles KDE more
[08:17] <ripps> Tomato Tomatoe
[08:17] <swuboo> ripps:  So what you're saying is that one is correct and one isn't?  Heh.
[08:18] <cpk1> I feel like for most people whatever DE they started on is the one they like more
[08:18] <shadow420> well tanner ripps I think KDE Resembles Windows because linux was not released until after win95?
[08:18] <swuboo> cpk1:  I'd wager that's probably true, as far as it goes.
[08:18] <tanner> O.O
[08:18] <ripps> If you want to get technical: KDE is based on QT, While Gnome is based on GTK.
[08:19] <tanner> >_>
[08:19] <cpk1> I feel like my hands are cut off every time I happen to have to get stuck in gnome
[08:19] <swuboo> cpk1:  But I grew up with Windows, but I'm finding that the longer I use GNOME the more I tweak it *away* from Windows-style things.
[08:19] <ripps> Actually, my first Linux DE was KDE, but I switch to Gnome after I wanted to try something different
[08:20] <swuboo> I may give KDE a whirl one of these days, or xfce.
[08:20] <cpk1> I dont see how DE's could be really less tweakable than any others, although I suppose some super lightweight ones have a lot more customization
[08:20] <ripps> I like Gnome because it isn't Windows-like. If I wanted a DE similar to Windows, I'd just boot into Windows
[08:21] <tanner> Wow
[08:21] <shadow420> swuboo actually I grew up from the Apple IIgs and all of the old macs before mac OS was around
[08:22] <swuboo> shadow420:  Well, if we want to get technical about it, I grew up with DOS.
[08:22] <shadow420> thats what I used in elementary school in middle I used Windows
[08:22] <swuboo> shadow420:  But I meant in terms of desktop environments.
[08:22] <swuboo> shadow420:  Mid-twenties?
[08:23] <matyy> dos shell^^
[08:23] <shadow420> almost I will be 23 this year
[08:23] <ripps> First Computer: Windows 3.1
[08:23] <shadow420> I never used the old DOS
[08:23] <ttkeppi> dos 5.0 ain't desktop? ;)
[08:23] <swuboo> shadow420:  And I'll be 25.  Funny how easy it can be to date people by their OS memories.
[08:23] <cpk1> os/2 warped?
[08:24] <shadow420> my first computer was a Apple IIgs with GS/OS System 6.0.1
[08:24] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  It's not a desktop environment, I wouldn't think.  It's a CLI.
[08:24] <matyy> hej, i used the c64 ... bet you can't tell how old i am tough...
[08:24] <matyy> just didn't have the money for anything else ^^
[08:24] <swuboo> matyy:  Nope, but then you don't say how old you were when you used it.
[08:25] <matyy> 7 or 8 ^^
[08:25] <matyy> and my parents hated computers
[08:25] <swuboo> That'd do it.
[08:25] <ttkeppi> swuboo: thought so, desktop environment requires somekind of gui.. then it'll be win 3.0
[08:25] <shadow420> I was around 3-6 when I first used the Apple IIgs
[08:26] <shadow420> and well my first gaming console was an NES
[08:26] <ripps> Man, I've gotta go to bed now. 2:30 in the morning.
[08:26] <shadow420> 3:25 here
[08:26] <swuboo> shadow420:  Lucky.  I had a Sega Master System.   YOUR console had GAMES for it.  Other than Alex Kidd.
[08:26] <ripps> night y'all
[08:26] <shadow420> yea
[08:27] <swuboo> Night, ripps.  Good luck with pulseaudio and your icons.
[08:27] <shadow420> swuboo but u had sonic excellent game
[08:27] <ttkeppi> i had my first touch with gaming at C64 and VIC20 :) -first console was also nes
[08:27] <ripps> pulseaudio is good now, icons are for tommorow
[08:28] <swuboo> Had a CGA IBM 386, with a 1400 baud pulse-dial modem.
[08:28] <shadow420> my oldest console I played but didn't rememer until now is my Atari 2600 System
[08:28] <swuboo> Mighta been a 286.  Hard to say from memory.
[08:28] <shadow420> Oh man baud thats old scholl there
[08:29] <swuboo> shadow420:  It was bigger than my cable modem is now.
[08:29] <shadow420> yeah
[08:29] <pheld> ﻿bullgard4: firefox is not set up for translation in launchpad and there's little I as an individual can do about that. The idea is to reuse/repackage translations from upstream. I have already patitipated in the translation of firefox into 3 different languages at mozilla.org
[08:29] <ttkeppi> i got a colecovision from a friend when i was 10yrs.. and no, i'm not that old
[08:29] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  Ah, the good old Connecticut Leather Company.
[08:30] <shadow420> my Atari 2600 is the first ones ever made
[08:30] <shadow420> not the ones that were re-released like a coupl of years ago
[08:30] <swuboo> shadow420:  Sonic was on the Genesis.  The Master System predates it.
[08:30] <shadow420> true
[08:32] <bullgard4> pheld: My high esteem to you! Yes, a major obstacle is a missing link between Firefox and Ubuntu.
[08:32] <swuboo> Perhaps that's largely because Ubuntu is releasing Hardy with a beta of Firefox?
[08:33] <ttkeppi> will hardy final have ffox3 beta?
[08:33] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  I believe so, yes.  Hardy beta does, after all.
[08:33] <Jordan_U> ttkeppi, It looks like it, unless FF3 final comes soon :)
[08:34] <orvokki> ttkeppi: Yes, since FF3 final will be out in July.
[08:34] <Jordan_U> ttkeppi, They will almost certainly update it after release though
[08:34] <orvokki> And Hardy release will be out in a week or so.
[08:34] <swuboo> pheld:  If you really need language support for Firefox, why not just use FF2 until the FF3 translations become available?
[08:35] <pheld> The difference with mozilla-apps is that ubuntu syncs to upstream instead of maintaining their own backports of fixes as with other packages, and that doesn't really fly when combined with different ways of packaging translations.
[08:35] <ttkeppi> that's bit odd, to release final and it has beta in it.. altho, the ff3 beta will be in for such short time
[08:35] <orvokki> A few months?
[08:35] <orvokki> Yeah.
[08:35] <orvokki> It's quite a short time.
[08:36] <ttkeppi> orvokki: you had trouble with ffox3 and sampopankki? -that's one major problems I facing
[08:40] <pheld> ﻿swuboo: because someone in the packaging dept need to bump FF2 translations to a version that works with the binary in hardy-repos.
[08:42] <swuboo> pheld:  FF2 translations still seem in the hardy repos.  I just looked a few minutes ago.
[08:42] <orvokki> ttkeppi: I'm lucky enough not to use sampopankki.
[08:42] <pheld> swuboo: I know, but they don't work
[08:43] <pheld> I've got firefox-2 and a number of locale-packs installed. Setting $LANG works with other apps but has no effect on FF
[08:44] <ttkeppi> orvokki: very wise choice.. altho i have multiple computers at home, it's just wrong to have to use another computer or os.. just to pay bills
[08:44] <swuboo> Of course, firing up FF2 to check  *would* hang X, wouldn't it?
[08:45] <bullgard4> What 'type' prints the English version of gnome-search-tool for the file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[08:46] <orvokki> ttkeppi: I do have some money there but not enough to be annoyed. Been using Nordea usually.
[08:46] <tanner> anyone know what they call the paper with smaller writing lines?
[08:47] <ttkeppi> orvokki: I'm just waiting for something bad to happen with sampo, and then I'll change bank... now only had trouble with webpages.. no money lost, yet :D
[08:49] <swuboo> Bah, why is pidgin using an entire CPU core?
[08:50] <DarkED> hi, i seem to be having a problem with the nvidia-legacy driver. i've installed ubuntu 8.04 and everything is going well except it seems as though i have no 3d accel. i'm using a geforce 2 GTS and the restricted drivers manager says that nvidia-legacy is enabled but not in use. how do i put it to use? i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but got nothing on reconfiguring the video driver
[08:51] <akio> so about that gnome-keyring-manager brokenness
[08:52] <ccooke> Grr. Firefox is very crashy this morning.
[08:52] <akio> or i could just use openbox......
[08:53] <akio> is gnome-keyring-manager broken?
[08:53] <naught101> ccooke: I've been finding ff3 like that too. and using LOTS of memory
[08:54] <akio> it looks like it is on my system
[08:54] <akio> could someone check that for me?
[08:54] <ttkeppi> DarkED: it's set in your xorg.conf ?
[08:54] <DarkED> ttkeppi, lemme check
[08:55] <DarkED> ttkeppi, in my xorg.conf i am showing this: Section "Device"
[08:55] <DarkED> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[08:55] <DarkED> EndSection
[08:55] <DarkED> which is very odd
[08:55] <DarkED> it should at least be vesa or something
[08:56] <DarkED> then again i havent used ubuntu since 7.04 so i'm sure things have changed
[08:56] <ttkeppi> there should be something about nvidia-legacy... at some point or another
[08:56] <DarkED> that's what i thought too
[08:56] <DarkED> actually my entire xorg.conf file looks kinda odd
[08:57] <ttkeppi> you dont have any backup of a working one?
[08:57] <DarkED> here's the xorg.conf -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63396/
[08:57] <DarkED> ttkeppi, i've never installed ubuntu on this machine before
[08:58] <DarkED> i had a new gaming rig i built back in november and before that i was using another rig i sold to build the new one... well, the new one died and i'm back to my 2001 rig... so i popped ubuntu on it
[08:58] <dnyy> can i do a clean install of hardy haron without burning it to a cd? :x
[08:59] <ttkeppi> :o there's nothing in there
[08:59] <naught101> DarkED: you xorg doesn't look very wierd. you don't need one anymore (or it can be empty, it's only for overwriting the defaults,
[08:59] <DarkED> naught101, ahh... well how do i go about changing the actual settings?
[08:59] <DarkED> and as a sidenote, things seem to have changed quite a bit
[08:59] <naught101> exactly the same as you used to. you only need to put the bits that need changing in xorg.conf
[09:00] <DarkED> naught101, well see that's a problem
[09:00] <DarkED> i always used to do it with dpkg-reconfigure and then change minor stuff
[09:00] <DarkED> i've never written out an xorg.conf before
[09:00] <bullgard4> tanner: graph paper, checkered paper, squared paper (in Ireland), quadrille paper?
[09:00] <naught101> why? try putting driver "nvidia-legacy" (or whatever the driver is called)
[09:01] <DarkED> okay
[09:01] <naught101> that is 'driver "nvidia-legacy"'
[09:01] <DarkED> lemme try that and restart X
[09:01] <naught101> after line 32
[09:01] <bazhang> dnyy: from what system
[09:01] <DarkED> just checking, vesa driver module is still called vesa right?
[09:01] <naught101> similar to line 27
[09:01] <naught101> yeah, it is
[09:01] <DarkED> okay
[09:01] <dnyy> bazhang: running 7.10 right now :x
[09:02] <ccooke> naught101: Hmm. Dissabling Greasemonkey seems to help. Or, at least, make it less common.
[09:02] <bazhang> dnyy: you want to dist-upgrade but erase your current home directory (settings etc)?
[09:02] <DarkED> naught101, okay, it's done, thanks! gonna see what happens now
[09:02] <DarkED> brb
[09:02] <ccooke> (It's not crashed since I disabled GM. However, that's not *so* long a period)
[09:02] <dnyy> bazhang: well that, and everything else, including my windows partition
[09:03] <naught101> ccooke: thanks. I don't even use greasemonkey, but have it installed
[09:04] <bazhang> dnyy: cd burner broken? trying to save the cost of a cd?
[09:04] <ccooke> naught101: It's gone from crashing after about 30-90 seconds to... well, not crashing in ten minutes.
[09:04] <dnyy> bazhang:  mainly impatience, and not having a cd around.  :x
[09:04] <naught101> hehe
[09:05] <naught101> dnyy: you can do with a usb drive
[09:05] <bazhang> dnyy as naught101 says you can do it with a usb flash disk
[09:05] <dnyy> how so? :o
[09:05] <naught101> needs to bigger than 650mb and be bootable
[09:05] <akio> im running hardy 2.6.24-12-generic
[09:06] <dnyy> ahh, i have no idea if its bootable :/
[09:06] <akio> but cat /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid
[09:06] <dnyy> bazhang: just put the iso on the usb, and boot from that?
[09:06] <bazhang> dnyy: if you have never done it before (or tried unetbootin) then the time spent getting up a buying some cd's will be much less
[09:07] <bazhang> dnyy: sadly not that simple
[09:07] <dnyy> bazhang ahh, alright.
[09:07] <dnyy> bazhang its already 3am, i dont wanna stay up 'til 10 tryin to do it. :p
[09:07] <ttkeppi> dnyy: unpack the iso into the usb drive, and boot, go to bios and set usb as a bootable device
[09:07] <bazhang> dnyy: best to get some sleep, ubuntu will still be here in the morning
[09:08] <dnyy> bazhang: haha :]
[09:08] <bazhang> ;]
[09:08] <bazhang> ttkeppi: where did you hear of this method you speak of?
[09:09] <ttkeppi> bazhang: can't remember, I think I red it from interweb... we are talking about usb stick, right?
[09:10] <bazhang> www.pendrivelinux.com has the details ttkeppi; sadly just copying an iso to usb will not work
[09:10] <DarkED> okay
[09:10] <DarkED> the driver seems to be working now... however, i am limited to 640x480
[09:10] <ttkeppi> bazhang: no, not just copying, but unpacking it into it... it doesn't work?
[09:11] <Jordan_U> ttkeppi, You need a bootloader :)
[09:11] <bazhang> ttkeppi: you need to use cfdisk to format the usb drive then copy over certain files to make it bootable--a bit tricky for newer users
[09:11] <dnyy> bazhang: just reading that, i'd rather wait 'til tomorrow :P
[09:12] <bazhang> dnyy: we never sleep ;]
[09:12] <ttkeppi> ok, thanks for the correction. I thought that it was simple as unpack and boot
[09:12] <DarkED> naught101, there was a dialog box under System you could run in 7.04 that would allow you to change monitor and screen options through a gui... does that still exist in 8.04?
[09:12] <dnyy> bazhang: aha, neither do i.  but, i get significantly dumber the later it gets. ;<
[09:13] <bazhang> dnyy: well we all take 15 min catnaps; but there is always someone here ;]
[09:13] <naught101> DarkED: I use kubuntu, I have no idea about Gnome, sorry. The kde3 one is still the same..
[09:13] <DarkED> right
[09:16] <ttkeppi> if I install ubuntu8.04 into pendrive, can I use it in another computers as plug and pray? and not have to worry about different hardware?
[09:17] <ttkeppi> ofcourse, not waiting all the fancy stuff to work. but as a rescue stick it would work?
[09:17] <bazhang> ttkeppi: if that computer bios allows boot from usb it should be fine; you might look into making it persistent as well that way you can save changes
[09:19] <starscalling> Jordan_U: actually the bootloader is the easiest part
[09:19] <bazhang> unetbootin is easier than a pendrive for installing imo
[09:19] <ttkeppi> bazhang: thanks, I'll prolly have to go and buy 4GB stick then :) altho, really stubborn problems tend to need hiren's bootcd or such
[09:20] <bazhang> ttkeppi: happy to help ;]
[09:22] <boritek> does anyone know a solution to enable again 3D in hardy? the restricted driver list is empty in jockey-gtk! I have ATI Radeon 9600 SE
[09:23] <boritek> Although the drivers are installed.
[09:24] <RAOF> boritek: The open-source driver is probably better for your card.
[09:24] <ttkeppi> bazhang: unetbootin seems interesting choice too. altho, no choce for only livecd's rescuing some files.. but different problems require different tools :D
[09:24] <RAOF> boritek: Is the open driver not working for you?
[09:30] <boritek> RAOF, the closed and open one dont work either
[09:30] <boritek> only the mesa
[09:44] <bullgard4> bazhang: What does your Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[10:00] <Spidla> Hi there .... I have got a problem, I updated my Ubuntu from Gutsy to Hardy Beta... everything worked fine unless I downloades some updates... then my GNOME stopped working ... my computer is hanging during start-up before GDM login ... I cant get to the console a and even I cant stop the X server ... the only option is to powerdown my computer by hand ...I tried to reinstall GDM, xserver-driver-f
[10:00] <Spidla> glrx ... I tried ati.com driver .. and now I have driver installed by envy script ... by my PC is still unusable ... everything is working fine with radeon or vesa driver but I need 3d acceleration for compiz ... any ideas ?
[10:05] <_Rambaldi_> i need some help, things are disappearing of my bottom panel, the trash bin is not there, and windows i open does not dock too, i have to use alt tab to change windows
[10:11] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[10:13] <Spidla> _Rambaldi_ : try to remove and readd the panel ... I think that window docking and recycle bin are applets which you can add to the panel ... try to search options of the panel by right-clicking
[10:14] <boritek> Spidla, i also need 3d for my ATI 9600 SE
[10:14] <boritek> the restricted driver list is empty in jockey-gtk
[10:15] <topyli> _Rambaldi_: sounds like you've accidentally removed the trash and windowlist applets like Spidla says
[10:15] <_Rambaldi_> before it was just the trashbin that would not appear, i removed and added and now the trashbin and windows dont appear, the only thing i could add was show desktop and workspaces
[10:16] <Spidla> boritek : the only driver I have found for this is fglrx ... but it is not working in ubuntu :(
[10:16] <_Rambaldi_> i did not know windowlist applet was supposed to be there, now everything will add except trash
[10:17] <Spidla> boritek : fglrx is available also on ati.com but it is not working too
[10:17] <bullgard4> I have got a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2. Where should I decompress it?
[10:17] <boritek> Spidla, the open souce driver doesnt work either
[10:17] <boritek> only that mesa thing
[10:18] <boritek>  fglrxinfo says:
[10:18] <Spidla> boritek, I know that is really bad luck ...  but I got it working with older version ..
[10:18] <boritek> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[10:18] <boritek> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[10:18] <boritek> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 8x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL
[10:18] <boritek> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.0.3-rc2
[10:18] <Spidla> yeah that means that you are not using ati druiver
[10:18] <boritek> and with mesa there is no 3d at all
[10:18] <boritek> no, open ati driver, and no closed ati driver
[10:19] <vladi_> there's something wrong with automounting: "/media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46" is the same as before but I can't access it now as user.
[10:19] <gregory> bullgard4: what is your goal?
[10:19] <boritek> Spidla, i have also tried the newest ATI driver from ati.amd.com
[10:19] <boritek> but didnt work
[10:19] <bullgard4> gregory: My goal is to operate a well-funcioning Ubuntu 8.04
[10:20] <bullgard4> functioning
[10:20] <boritek> and its interesting that it wanted to update my newest installed driver from the repo with an older one
[10:20] <gregory> bullgard4: so how would you need to work with kernel sources then?
[10:20] <Spidla> the only driver which worked for me was older version of xorg-drievr-fglrx
[10:21] <boritek> Spidla, which one?
[10:21] <Spidla> i cant get it back now ..
[10:21] <boritek> can u tell me exactly plz?
[10:21] <bullgard4> gregory: If you do not know that, you will probably not be able to answer the question which I have put.
[10:21] <Spidla> auto-update has overwritten it
[10:21] <boritek> but you can maybe force it down?
[10:22] <Spidla> how ?
[10:22] <gregory> bullgard4: the answer to your last questions is: where you have space. you have to decide. if you cant make that decision you probably shouldnt be fiddling around with the kernel
[10:23] <boritek> well, this optin is grey in my synaptic now
[10:23] <boritek> in the synaptic package menu
[10:24] <boritek> mine is not English, though
[10:24] <Spidla> but since the last working drivers I installed many other .. so I think this option will only rollback the not-working one which was there before
[10:25] <boritek> normally you should be able to choose
[10:25] <bullgard4> gregory: In the past I have dealt with the kernel successfully. I wanted to know the standard directory where to put the contents of that file. "Where you have space" is not a unified way.
[10:25] <boritek> you should go back till it works
[10:25] <boritek> if it let you do it
[10:25] <Oli``> Is firebug working properly for people after the firefox+XUL updates today?
[10:26] <gregory> bullgard4: this might be of interest to you: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=how+to+compile+your+own+kernel+for+ubuntu&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
[10:26] <Spidla> okey i will try and let you know
[10:26] <boritek> k
[10:27] <bpd1069> Is the "double-clicking" with the mouse a known issue with hardy, and if so is there a fix?
[10:31] <bullgard4> gregory: Thank you very much.
[10:31] <gregory> bullgard4: your welcome, good luck
[10:36] <bpd1069> nvm: seems the work around is to add  Option "CorePointer" to xorg.conf
[10:37] <DarkED> okay, now i got my video settings correct, and now i am having an issue with compiz. when i try to run compiz it gives me 'xgl: not present' and when i ran it with SKIP CHECKS it ran but my entire screen went transparent except for the wallpaper
[10:48] <pascalFR> http://www.frame.fr/emailing/infobahnframe.html
[10:48] <pascalFR>  hello latest hardy updates seem to have broken kubuntu
[10:48] <MrMist> How do I customize the graphics features on the desktop ?
[10:49] <SitUbuntuSit> my kubuntu is fine
[10:50] <swuboo> pascalFR:  You mean Desktop Effects?
[10:50] <swuboo> Er... I mean MrMist.
[10:51] <MrMist> swuboo: probably... I want to customize alt+tab e.g.
[10:52] <swuboo> MrMist: See if the command ccsm does anything for you.
[10:52] <Spidla> boritek: are you here ?
[10:53] <MrMist> swuboo: nopw
[10:53] <MrMist> nope
[10:53] <swuboo> MrMist:  If not, then you could try installing the package compizconfig-settings-manager.  That allows you a lot of customization options for compiz, which is what runs desktop effects.  It's got three or four different application switcher doodads you can try and customize.
[10:53] <swuboo> MrMist:  I'm not entirely sure it's what you're going for, but if it isn't, you can always go back to the standard tools.
[10:55] <boritek> Spidla, yeah i am here
[10:55] <boritek> did u manage it?
[10:55] <mrtimdog> Any way of using the "Keyboard Shortcuts" for 'Search' activate the deskbar applet search?
[10:55] <Spidla> synaptic cant help
[10:55] <Spidla> I can only downgrade to Hardy latest version
[10:55] <Spidla> because now I have envy version
[10:56] <pascalFR> The following packages have been kept back:
[10:56] <pascalFR>   kdebase-bin kdesktop kdm
[10:56] <pascalFR> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[10:56] <boritek> Spidla, hmmm, dont know what to do then
[10:56] <boritek> do you think that canonical will solve this by releasing?
[10:56] <Spidla> maybe we can try to get gutsy package and install it to the hardy
[10:57] <Spidla> canoncial ?
[10:57] <boritek> or amd
[10:57] <Spidla> but gutsy package may break the dependencies in hardy... I think it is part of linux restricted modules for 2.6.24
[10:57] <boritek> but canonical should get and include the right version to its repo
[10:58] <Spidla> what is canoncial ? :)
[10:58] <boritek> Spidla, the manufactor of ubuntu....:D
[10:58] <quentusrex> F***ing A**..... Every time I run synaptic it locks up my system and I have to hard reboot...
[10:58] <Spidla> :)
[10:58] <quentusrex> Nothing works after synaptic runs....
[10:59] <boritek> quentusrex, close it
[10:59] <quentusrex> boritek, close what?
[10:59] <boritek> synaptic
[10:59] <quentusrex> I can't
[10:59] <quentusrex> as soon as the dialog box that says it's finished pops up the whole system is frozen
[10:59] <Spidla> boritek, I dont know ... I hope that final release of Hardy will solve it ... every day I am checking updates .. with no luck
[10:59] <mvo> quentusrex: synaptic shouldn't really be able to do anyhting like this, it probably triggers some other problem
[10:59] <quentusrex> except the mouse... the mouse moves, but every other key doesn't respond....
[11:00] <boritek> Spidla, i do the same
[11:00] <mvo> quentusrex: can you still ping the machine?
[11:00] <boritek> but i dont know if they realized this
[11:00] <Spidla> I think there should be some way how to retrieve older version of fglrx package from repository
[11:00] <mvo> quentusrex: if you open a terminal and run something like "top" or "htop" in it, does that keep being updated when the machine hangs?
[11:01] <quentusrex> I was installing parts of eclipse when it froze...
[11:01] <Spidla> shame is that I cant fing any error i log files .. so I can specify the exact problem or solve it myself
[11:01] <boritek> kill synaptic
[11:01] <Spidla> it just hangs during start up
[11:01] <quentusrex> I installed one part, then it froze, I hard rebooted then installed another part and it froze up again...
[11:01] <boritek> Spidla, yours hangs?
[11:02] <quentusrex> boritek, you can't kill the program if the keyboard doesn't respond or type.... I can't open anything, nothing refreshes. the only thing that works is that the mouse moves....
[11:02] <boritek> mine doesnt, it just fall back to mesa
[11:02] <Spidla> yep ... before GDM login it hangs with blank screen .. I cant get to the console and I cant kill X server
[11:02] <MrMist> swuboo: yay :D This was what I needed. Generally I could install any compiz customization tool ?
[11:02] <boritek> quentusrex, can you switch with ctrl-alt-f1?
[11:02] <Spidla> in the log there is nothing
[11:03] <quentusrex> boritek, nope. tried that.... nothing....
[11:03] <Spidla> but sometimes it doesnt hang and then it is working flawlessly .. also with 3d rendering compiz everything
[11:03] <boritek> try alt+printscreen+r
[11:03] <bullgard4> I have got a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2. Where should I decompress it?
[11:04] <Spidla> what is it ?
[11:04] <boritek> no, its for quentusrex
[11:04] <Spidla> bullgard4: /usr/src
[11:04] <boritek> but for u too
[11:04] <boritek> it it hangs
[11:04] <boritek> it reclaims your keyboard and mouse
[11:05] <Spidla> moment .. i will try
[11:06] <boritek> this is a complete sequence till it will reboot:
[11:06] <boritek> R+S+E+I+U+B
[11:06] <boritek> all with ALT+PrintScreen
[11:06] <DistroJockey> Right! So Everything Is Uterly Borked!   :)
[11:07] <boritek> gonna have lunch, be right back
[11:08] <stefano_> is there a fix for the broken compiz yet?
[11:09] <Spidla> boritek : yep
[11:09] <MrMist> Ehm... the numpad '9' key exits me from X brutally.... how do I remove this? I use the numpad all the time....
[11:09]  * MrMist is heading for lunch
[11:09] <MrMist> bbl
[11:12] <quentusrex> yeah.... that sucked
[11:12] <quentusrex> what was that series again?
[11:12] <quentusrex> alt+print screen+r
[11:12] <quentusrex> and what else?
[11:13] <Spidla> hey its working
[11:13] <quentusrex> the release date is 8 days away and synaptic is broke....
[11:13] <Spidla> my synaptic is working fine ... try to reinstall it with apt-get
[11:14] <quentusrex> well, when ever I run synaptic. no matter what I install, it locks my whole system up....
[11:14] <Spidla> so open the console and try something like apt-get install --reinstall synaptic
[11:15] <Spidla> or maybe there is some temporary file stucked in the package system ... you can try also apt-get clean; apt-get update
[11:16] <a_l_e> hello. i installed 08.04 beta and i'm trying to connect to a bluetooth keyboard. the applet doesn't succeed and following the how-to i get to the point where i should launch the "hidd" tool... but there is no such programm installed :-(
[11:18] <quentusrex> Spidla, do you mind reposting what the letter series was?
[11:18] <quentusrex> the i+u+b something
[11:19] <Spidla> R+S+E+I+U+B
[11:23] <topyli> raising skinny elephants is utterly boring, quentusrex
[11:24] <boritek> hello, i am back
[11:24] <boritek> were the key-sequence helpful?
[11:24] <boritek> was*
[11:24] <a_l_e> i just installed my new computer with hardy and i encoutered some problems (graphic card, monitor, setting up a bluetooth keyboard) and i'm willing do document those problems if somebody tells me the comments are welcome and points me to the place where i should put them.
[11:25] <a_l_e> the computer should be 100% linux compatible since it's also selled with suse preinstalled.
[11:25] <Spidla> it wa helpful i one way
[11:25] <Spidla> i restarted system
[11:25] <Spidla> and it works ... even compiz
[11:25] <Spidla> but when i rebooted it is stucked again
[11:26] <boritek> which letter helped of the sequence?
[11:26] <topyli> a_l_e: it's 100% compatible with the suse version it came with. who knows what proprietary drivers and other vendor hacks they use
[11:28] <Spidla> the last letter restarted the system
[11:28] <Spidla> no other luck
[11:28] <VSpike> Hardy works well on this Sony Vaio FS series, and the display brightness setting works well.  However, I notice that I get the dimming of the display when idle on AC, even though I have specifically turned that option off in the power settings.  Is this a known problem?
[11:28] <gregory> a_l_e: that would be great. i suggest using launchpad.ubuntu.net and filing tickets if they havent already. for the "100% linux compatible" issue topyli is absolutely true
[11:28] <a_l_e> topyli: everything else is working pretty well (even wireless!), so i guess they haven't used too many
[11:29] <gregory> a_l_e: suse patches the kernel in 1000's of lines
[11:29] <topyli> a_l_e: the bluetooth stack may of course be broken in *so* many ways still, in hardy and in general
[11:30] <a_l_e> it's that machine and up to those three problems it works well (and i have the monitor at the right resolution... i just have to go back and forth to the console 3 times until it works!
[11:30] <a_l_e> for reference: http://www.transtec.ch/CH/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html?mod=prod&name=SY610TA65-A
[11:33] <PodMan99a> is there a dreamweaver like program for ubuntu
[11:33] <a_l_e> ok, i'm away for lunch. i'll come back in about an hour and do some filling in to launchpad!
[11:33] <topyli> i doubt it PodMan99a
[11:34] <PodMan99a> topyli, thats not the news i was after... im trying to be lazy lol
[11:34] <a_l_e> PodMan99a: not really dreamweaver like but there was something...
[11:35] <a_l_e> ... you could google after it... as i have to do now :-)
[11:35] <PodMan99a> a_l_e, called........ basicly graphic editor... only one i can stumble accross is nvu
[11:35] <Spidla> boritek : ideas ? :)
[11:35] <a_l_e> that is. old, and the only one.
[11:36] <boritek> Spidla, what about?
[11:36] <boritek> r u using the open ati driver?
[11:37] <boritek> coz it doesnt working on my pc either
[11:38] <boritek> well, my next video card will be definitely nvidia
[11:38] <OllieH> Hi, I just installed the ubuntu 8.04 beta, and I chose the install inside windows option, when I try and boot into ubuntu it hangs at "Activating swapfile swap". Can anyone help please? ^-^
[11:38] <Spidla> I am using driver downloaded by envy script
[11:38] <Spidla> try it
[11:39] <Spidla> apt-get install envy-core envy-gtk
[11:39] <boritek> what packages shall i install from repo?
[11:39] <boritek> envy-core envy-gtk?
[11:39] <Spidla> yep ... its installer for ATI and NVIDI cards
[11:40] <Spidla> it does some kind of autodetection and it downloads driver automatically
[11:40] <Spidla> and it also configures xorg server
[11:40] <boritek> wont it contradict with the system later when it this will be fixed?
[11:41] <Spidla> there is uninstaller too
[11:41] <boritek> ok
[11:42] <Spidla> i have lunch now ... will be back in 20 minutes
[11:43] <icesword> come out,come out
[11:43] <topyli> a_l_e: nvu is now known as kompozer, and afaik it's in development again
[11:43] <icesword> !when
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about when - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <topyli> icesword: 24th
[11:44] <icesword> come out,come out.hehe,how does it like
[11:44] <icesword> topyli
[11:47] <Lynoure> Adept still wants to remove konqueror if I upgrade kcontrol, kdebase-kio-plugins or kfind :(
[11:49] <Lynoure> Konqueror does not seem to want that new kfind at all
[11:54] <cpk1> how much of a difference do you think there will be from what hardy is at to now? tons of bugfixes from now to 24th going to be very noticeable?
[11:58] <icesword> many????
[12:00] <topyli> cpk1: bugs will hopefully be fixed that's all. we've been in feature freeze for a long time
[12:00] <topyli> i would like to see a fully working browser on the ubuntu desktop for example :)
[12:01] <cpk1> I know there's been a feature freeze but right now my system in my eyes is barely usable topyli, just wondering if that will change =)
[12:02] <cpk1> I think I have some mangled configs so when release comes I am doing a clean install, already backed up my /home data so that will be wiped too
[12:02] <MrMist> Why do I log out of X when pressing '9' on the numeric keypad ? How can I remove this?
[12:03] <gregory> MrMist: you could disable numpad for now
[12:04] <MrMist> gregory: I need numpad to punch in numbers
[12:04] <gregory> MrMist: and only if you hit 9 it logs out?
[12:04] <topyli> MrMist: disable the keyboard shortcut for the logout action
[12:05] <swuboo> Good Lord, that's a default shotcut?
[12:05] <topyli> or change it to something else :)
[12:05] <topyli> swuboo: probably not :)
[12:06] <MrMist> swuboo: I haven't done anything to create that shortcut, that's for sure
[12:06] <topyli> maybe MrMist's keyboard layout has been misidentified or something
[12:06] <swuboo> topyli:  I should hope not.  That's like setting up the light switch by the door in your bathroom to start your car.
[12:07] <MrMist> topyli: Hmm... Log Out is set tu "ctrl+alt+delete"
[12:07] <MrMist> to
[12:07] <topyli> swuboo: your trust in ubuntu developers' intelligence is touching
[12:08] <topyli> MrMist: disable it and bang away your numbers like nothing happened. then check what the keyboard preferences dialog thinks your keyboard is. if it's correct, file a bug
[12:08] <swuboo> topyli:  Warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it?
[12:08] <boritek> Spidla, are you here?
[12:10] <Spidla> right now
[12:11] <poni> If possible, could someone help me with a little thing? :) I'm trying to plug in a projector (ubuntu hardy) on a Dell latitude D820, though, it wont clone desktop. I've tried xrandr --output VGA-0 etc, and the built in Detect Displays and so on... What can I do?
[12:13] <poni> is there a way to fix this?
[12:16] <_4> Hay Leute wieso kann man sich hier nicht anmelden warte schon seid 2 wochen drauf
[12:16] <icesword> ???????english,english,man
[12:17] <swuboo> !de
[12:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:18] <swuboo> And there we are.
[12:24] <martalli> swuboo: Something about the people and lots of other words I don't know =)
[12:25] <martalli> Die Leute hier kann nur Englisch sprechen
[12:25] <martalli> "The people here can on speak English (I guess I should say write, but I don't remember the word ;-)
[12:25] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[12:26] <gregory> bullgard4: why you keep asking that?
[12:32] <swuboo> matalli:  I put it into google translator; it didn't come back much more sense to me even afterwards.
[12:32] <Spidla> boritek: any luck ?
[12:32] <boritek> Spidla, no luck, envy screwed my settings
[12:32] <boritek> screenresolution fell back to 640x480
[12:32] <boritek> so i uninstalled it
[12:34] <Spidla> yep ... I am sorry for this ..
[12:35] <Spidla> and uninstallation was ok ?
[12:36] <boritek> yeah, i installed back the normal fglrx driver from the repo
[12:36] <boritek> not its ok
[12:36] <boritek> as it was before
[12:36] <boritek> still no 3d of course
[12:37]  * Dr_willis rembers when a 2d accelerator card was a big deal
[12:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:38] <clusty> hey
[12:38] <boritek> and fglrx doesnt work now as well, but it resoulition is 1280*1024 again
[12:38] <clusty> i am having some trouble with a memory stick card. the card gets detected but no drive emerges
[12:38] <clusty> dmesg sais:  [  172.764579] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[12:39] <Spidla> and do you have nay errors when you try to enable 3D ?
[12:39] <clusty> is the memory thick issue resolved in hardy?
[12:40] <boritek> Spidla, enable like how?
[12:40] <vistakiller> boritek what card you have?
[12:41] <boritek> ati
[12:41] <vistakiller> what kind?
[12:41] <boritek> Radeon 9600 SE
[12:41] <vistakiller> i better to use open driver with this card
[12:41] <boritek> vistakiller, the open driver doesnt work either
[12:42] <boritek> only mesa is working
[12:42] <vistakiller> i read many problem with hardy and to set the correct driver
[12:42] <boritek> but closed and open dirver worked fine in gutsy
[12:42] <vistakiller> i dont know why
[12:42] <vistakiller> open driver is better for your card
[12:42] <boritek> vistakiller, but open doesnt work either
[12:43] <vistakiller> have you try the programme graphics and screen or like that?
[12:43] <vistakiller> and choose the ati driver?
[12:43] <clusty> anyone tried playing with memory sticks?
[12:43] <vistakiller> is one month now with problems with drivers in hardy
[12:43] <boritek> what is the name of that program ?
[12:44] <vistakiller> screens and graphics i think
[12:44] <vistakiller> i have kubuntu
[12:44] <boritek> i have ubuntu
[12:44] <Spidla> boritek: I think if you have for example Composite enabled
[12:44] <boritek> do u know the command name from command line,
[12:44] <vistakiller> no find it in menu
[12:44] <boritek> Spidla, then its kind of freezing
[12:45] <boritek> i have to switch with ctrl-alt-f1 and metacitiy --replace
[12:45] <stephenrhall> clusty what about memory sticks?
[12:45] <vistakiller> try to install the open driver is the only way
[12:45] <boritek> vistakiller, everything is installed
[12:45] <boritek> but still isnt used
[12:45] <clusty> stephenrhall, i have a built in texas instruments cardreader in my laptop
[12:46] <boritek> coz jockey-gtk list is empty
[12:46] <Arelis> when is the release candidate released?
[12:46] <boritek> its the new restricted driver thing
[12:46] <vistakiller> wait for update to correct the problem
[12:46] <clusty> i stuck in a MMS card and the the device does not get created
[12:46] <Spidla> compiz requires Composite to be enabled :( thats why I need fglrx ... because radeon driver doesnt allow to do this
[12:46] <Spidla> radeon driver even doesnt support glx
[12:46] <stephenrhall> clusty sorry, done various stuff with usb sticks, but no experience of that card reader
[12:46] <vistakiller> Spidia what card you have?
[12:47] <clusty> stephenrhall, i found some stuff. driver is experimental
[12:47] <Spidla> its on my laptop ... ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
[12:47] <boritek> Spidla, it should enable this
[12:47] <clusty> will try an svn version
[12:47] <vistakiller> and the ati driver is not working?
[12:47] <boritek> hardy should support aiglx
[12:48] <Spidla> but radeon driver doesnt support direct rendering which is also neede for copiz
[12:48] <Spidla> compiz
[12:48] <boritek> Spidla, have you tried Composite 1 in xorg.conf?
[12:48] <Spidla> vistakiller : ati driver is hanging my system .. sometimes
[12:48] <Arelis> April 17th - ReleaseCandidate,LanguagePackTranslationDeadline <-- is this right?
[12:48] <Spidla> you mean with radeon driver ?
[12:48] <boritek> yeah
[12:49] <Spidla> i dont think that radeon driver has this option
[12:50] <Spidla> because with radeon when i try to enable compiz .. it says "desktop effects could not be enabled" ... ant when I tried fglrx (in the times when my pc wasnt haniging) wthout Composite .. it said sometinhg like "You need to enable Composite"
[12:51] <Arelis> Guys? When is the release candidate going to be released?
[12:51] <Spidla> Arelis : what release do you mean ?
[12:51] <Spidla> Arelis : Hardy ?
[12:51] <Arelis> yes
[12:51] <Spidla> in 8 days
[12:51] <boritek> Spidla, yes, exactly and that is how you can enable it
[12:51] <Arelis> the release candidate is 17 april right?
[12:51] <boritek> in your xorg.conf
[12:52] <Spidla> ok i will try
[12:52] <boritek> but look after the exact phrase
[12:52] <boritek> should be 3 lines
[12:52] <Arelis> !releasecandidate
[12:53] <Arelis> boritek: when will the "Release Candidate" be released? (Hardy)
[12:53] <gregory> !hardy | Arelis
[12:53] <ubotu> Arelis: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[12:53] <topyli> Arelis: tomorrow, as you can easily find out on the web
[12:53] <boritek> i dont know what RC meain in hardy, but the final hardy is out on 27th of april
[12:54] <boritek> oh 24th
[12:54] <Arelis> topyli: thanks. I wanted to be sure.
[12:54] <topyli> Arelis: good thinking. obviously i know better
[12:54] <boritek> couple of days yet
[12:54] <Arelis> and the Release Candidate is safe to install on Production Machines?
[12:54] <topyli> no
[12:55] <Arelis> but it's a 1-week pre-release
[12:55] <topyli> indeed
[12:55] <Dr_willis> If you want to produce bug reports.. :)
[12:55] <Arelis> "Production-quality"
[12:55] <swuboo> No, it isn't.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I would not be suprised if the release is delayed.
[12:55] <Arelis> I quote, from a website found on google, 'The release candidate is a production-quality pre-release one week before the final release.'
[12:55] <swuboo> It's a Release *Candidate*---in other words, everything *should* be ready to go, but they're not ready to declare it ready.
[12:55] <topyli> Arelis: that's 7 days to break hardy
[12:56] <Arelis> *production-quality*
[12:56] <topyli> Arelis: no
[12:56] <swuboo> Arelis:  Yes, a website you found on google said that.  Ubuntu's website says that it's a beta and should not be installed on production machines.
[12:56] <gregory> Dr_willis: does ubuntu have a delayed release history ?
[12:56] <Pici> Arelis: Why would we even have a release candidate if it was ready for production? Why not just call it a release?
[12:56] <swuboo> You can always do as you like---but if your production machine breaks, make sure to blame the website you read, and not Ubuntu.
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Its happened a few times in the past.
[12:57] <topyli> gregory: dapper was delayed by 2 months
[12:57] <gregory> ic thank you all
[12:57] <Dr_willis> With a LTS release.. its best if its delayed,, then be rished
[12:57] <Arelis> Pici: You have a point...
[12:57] <Arelis> Right now i have the Ubuntu Hardy Beta CD lying in front of me but i think that's still too risky
[12:58] <Pici> So wait a few days ;)
[12:58] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Yeah, let's delay Hardy till July so we can get FF3 final for it, mk?
[12:58] <swuboo> Arelis:  It won't be much less risky tomorrow.
[12:58] <Dr_willis> orvokki,  wouldent bother me at all.
[12:58] <Arelis> Release Candidate will be less risky
[12:58] <swuboo> Arelis:  Because the name changed?  It's still a Beta, and it's still only 24 hours' difference.
[12:59] <Dr_willis> Ive noticed that my printer keeps gettting lost every time i reboot. and i can burn one cd/dvd - and then the cd burner gets 'lost' some how.
[12:59] <Arelis> According to that website, Release Candidate is the second-last stage. Everything has been frozen, (including bugfixes?), and the only thing more on the schedule is the final release
[12:59] <Arelis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-release-dates.html
[13:00] <swuboo> Arelis:  Yes, that's quite true.  But the reason there's a release candidate, and not just a release... is because they're not ready to declare it safe yet.
[13:00] <Arelis> Also, it is released one week before the final release. After the beta, it had been tested and developed upon, so why wouldn't it be less risky?
[13:00] <Arelis> i'm not saying it's risk-free
[13:00] <Arelis> just less risky
[13:01] <topyli> Arelis: hardy bugs won't be magically all fixed at midnight tomorrow
[13:01] <swuboo> Precisely.
[13:01] <Arelis> The beta got released about a week ago. They had a whole week of time to fix some stuff
[13:02] <topyli> Arelis: and they have
[13:02] <swuboo> Yes---this should theoretically be pretty much what the final release will be... IF everything goes right.
[13:02] <Arelis> So then it's less risky, right?
[13:02] <topyli> heh
[13:02] <swuboo> Or more risky.  Sometimes stuff gets unfixed.
[13:02] <Arelis> you have a point :)
[13:03] <swuboo> It's ultimately your decision---no one's going to block you from the repositories for your own good.
[13:03] <Arelis> topyli: by the way, are you running Hardy?
[13:05] <topyli> Arelis: yes
[13:06] <swuboo> Arelis, to give you an idea--- at the beginning of this conversation, I downloaded 28 patches.  Just a moment ago, I checked update-manager, and downloaded four more.
[13:06] <Arelis> swuboo: and did stuff break in a week time?
[13:06] <Arelis> topyli: what's it like? I only tested out the beta livecd (for a short time), how's the "newest" version?
[13:06] <swuboo> Arelis:  Oh yes, plenty of people have been coming in here with things that have suddenly broken on their machines.
[13:07] <topyli> Arelis: i like the new gnome. bluetooth works a bit better. the default desktop background is nice. there's no working web browser
[13:07] <Dr_willis> A short list for me. CD burning, Printing, samba,
[13:08] <topyli> well, firefox works but nothing likes it enough to support it (deskbar, gnome-do). epiphany is broken for real
[13:08] <gopodge> topyli : Have you been to Youtube?
[13:08] <Arelis> oh, so when i go onto the Hardy route, stuff WILL stop to work at moments where it's not very handu?
[13:08]  * Dr_willis wonders what dosent support firefox..
[13:08] <Arelis> handy*
[13:09] <a_l_e> topyli, gribelu: i could connect the bluetooth keyboard... following a fedora howto pasted in an ubuntu forum...
[13:09] <topyli> gopodge: yes, works fine
[13:09] <topyli> a_l_e: cool
[13:09] <swuboo> Arelis:  Not necessarily; but it's probably safer to wait until the final release, at least for a production machine.
[13:09] <Dr_willis> the only issue/oddity ive seen with firefox lately is the 'checkbox' on some web site forms.. dosent get drawn right.
[13:10] <topyli> Dr_willis: deskbar doesn't accept it as "firefox", gnome-do doesn't see its bookmarks although it claims to support ff3
[13:10] <gopodge> topyli : My firefox would crash when moving between flash videos. Common problem that is logged at the moment. Had to remove libflashsupport for it to work.
[13:10] <Arelis> Okay. let me list the reasons for the upgrade: 1. Stabler kernel, and newer kernel. 2. Better ATI drivers (with Composite support, too). 3. My tablet gets supported in that newest kernel. <-- Some of my reasons./
[13:10] <topyli> Dr_willis: firefox itself works just great
[13:10] <Dr_willis> I dont use gnome. :) so ive never noticed.
[13:10] <swuboo> Arelis:  Those are all good reasons.
[13:10] <Oli``> Is firebug working properly for people after the firefox+XUL updates today?
[13:10] <topyli> gopodge: oh yes, that happens, not only youtube but everywhere with flash video
[13:11] <Dr_willis> flash is gettting to be a bigger and bigger problem every week it seems
[13:11] <topyli> gopodge: thanks for the libflashsupport hint
[13:11] <Arelis> swuboo: But wouldn't a rolling release system be better for me? (A distribution that constantly upgrades it's packages, so you always have the newest. Problem is it's probably TOO new)
[13:12] <gopodge> topyli : I didn't remove the package.. just the lib from /usr/lib .. it is a temporary workaround of course!
[13:12] <Spidla> boritek ?
[13:12] <boritek> yeah?
[13:12] <swuboo> Arelis:  I tend to think of Ubuntu AS rolling.  Every six months or so there's a new release, after all.
[13:12] <topyli> gopodge: what happens when you remove it? flash tries to play straight through alsa?
[13:12] <Spidla> I uninstalled all fglrx stuf ... installed only radeon driver
[13:13] <Spidla> compiz said something like "Xgl not present ... detected radeon driver"
[13:13] <Spidla> then i installed xserver-xgl
[13:13] <topyli> Arelis: try foresight then. they handle rolling releases very well
[13:13] <Spidla> compiz is now working...
[13:13] <mheath> Arelis: Thats what Universe and Backports are for. Enable those and you have the best of both worlds.
[13:13] <Spidla> but it is damn slow
[13:13] <gopodge> topyli : The people on launchpad seem to suggest it is an unnecessary dependency. If only they released the code for flash. Then it would work properly! :)
[13:13] <Spidla> because direct rendering is not supported now
[13:13] <Arelis> mheath: That sounds interesting. Including a new kernel and ATI driver? (two main things I need.)
[13:14] <boritek> Spidla, yeah, xgl isnt supported with ati yet
[13:14] <mheath> erm, no, unfortunately not. The ubuntu policy on kernel updates is a bit odd.
[13:14] <gopodge> I also had issues with Nvidia hardware drivers. X was completely broken until I ran the nvidia-config tool.
[13:14] <topyli> gopodge: oh okay, you can't remove the package. i'll try your "fix"
[13:14] <Spidla> so ...  problem prevails
[13:15] <Arelis> mheath: and the ATI drivers, then?
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: Nope. Generally they have to be released with a kernel update.
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: Keep in mind, there WILL be a few periodic updates for Hardy
[13:15] <mheath> Arelis: They release update packs for the LTS releases in which new kernels are allowed
[13:15] <boritek> i might try xgl too
[13:15] <Spidla> boritek : damn i would like to now whats wrong ... how it is possible that sometimes fglrx works and sometimes not .... there must be some kind of debug log
[13:16] <boritek> coz nothing work on my pc
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: Hardy is supported for a few years, and during that time they will release a few kernel updates for it.
[13:16] <boritek> your x log should say something
[13:16] <Arelis> mheath: alright.
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: This is no different than any other distro.
[13:16] <Spidla> it says nothing
[13:16] <Arelis> mheath: I've installed the new ATI drivers on my ubuntu system once, and ended up reinstalling. Not a good idea.
[13:16] <mheath> Arelis: And better than many
[13:17] <Spidla> everything is fine and suddenly my system is freezed
[13:17] <mheath> Arelis: The only exception is a few distros that make you do everything from scratch
[13:17] <Spidla> with no error
[13:17] <Arelis> mheath: and to get tablet support i have to do some kernel hackery (compile a module)
[13:18] <gopodge> topyli : Trying to find the launchpad report on it.
[13:18] <mheath> Arelis: Its possible, with a little work, to create an automatic system that will compile a new kernel for you with all the patches, make it into a .deb package, and cleanly install it for you.
[13:18] <boritek> Spidla, shall i reboot after xgl installed?
[13:19] <Spidla> no its only another xserver
[13:19] <Spidla> no new modules
[13:19] <boritek> and how can i use that?
[13:19] <bazhang> breetai you around? the powersaver bug seems to have been fixed with todays update
[13:19] <gopodge> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/192888
[13:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[13:20] <Spidla> just install package xserver-xgl ... and restart xserver
[13:20] <boritek> k
[13:20] <Spidla> then you can look into glxinfo
[13:20] <Spidla> there should be something like MESA GLX Indirect
[13:20] <Arelis> mheath: wait - i may take ANY version of Ubuntu and modify the version of it's parts to the version I want?
[13:21] <Spidla> and that i8s my problem i need direct rendering
[13:21] <mheath> Arelis: Of course. It takes a bit of knowledge - though thats easy to acquire - but you're free to compile and install any version of any piece of software you want.
[13:21] <boritek> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[13:21] <boritek> it is so already now too
[13:22] <Arelis> mheath: But is Ubuntu really the right distro to do such things on?
[13:22] <Lamego> Arelis, just as much as any other distro
[13:22] <mheath> Arelis: Its no worse than any others.
[13:22] <Arelis> because that would turn my system into a gentoo-like one
[13:22] <boritek> be right back
[13:23] <mheath> Arelis: Some people will try to tell you that Gentoo is better for that reason because it makes you compile EVERYTHING on your system, from the ground up
[13:23] <mheath> Arelis: But even GEntoo restricts you to (possibly oudated) versions, as it just uses scripts that tell it how to compile it, and those scripts are bound to particular versions
[13:24] <orvokki> mheath: Actually the best thing about it is that you can easily choose which libraries you want to link with.
[13:24] <orvokki> Otherwise you have to do tons of ./configure --with-foo --with-bar --with-baz.
[13:25] <orvokki> Gentoo make that part quite a lot simpler.
[13:25] <orvokki> s/make/makes/
[13:25] <Arelis> but, mheath, when i go that far, i would actually be replacing Ubuntu with my own choices, and vanilla desktop environments and newer kernels. It wouldn't be ubuntu anymore.
[13:26] <mheath> So, whats wrong with that? :-)
[13:26] <orvokki> It's Ubuntu imo unless you replace the whole apt dependency tree.
[13:26] <mheath> The regular warnings apply, of course
[13:26] <mheath> You start tinkering and you may break things, things that other people won't know about and can't be officially supported.
[13:27] <orvokki> With kernels it's not usually as bad though.
[13:27] <orvokki> Since you can always leave the working kernel in /boot.
[13:28] <orvokki> Would be much more serious if you decided like "Hey, I think I want a newer version of GNU libc".
[13:28] <orvokki> And installed that replacing the old one. ^^
[13:29] <Arelis> well, if i may customize, i would choose: 1. new kernel, 2. vanilla KDE (Kubuntu's one crashes alot on my pc), 3. new ATI drivers <-- But those things are regarded as very risky on ubuntu
[13:29] <Arelis> (especially the ATI drivers one - i had to reinstall)
[13:29] <mheath> orvokki: Thats not hard to do, if you know what you're doing.
[13:29] <mheath> orvokki: Debian package builder utilities can do  that for you almost automatically, if you do it right.
[13:29] <orvokki> mheath: Well, true but it's harder to go back from broken GNU libc than from a broken kernel.
[13:30] <mheath> No, it's not.
[13:30] <topyli> gopodge: ok, going to try the nspluginwrapper
[13:30] <mheath> If you do it right, the new one gives you a .deb
[13:30] <orvokki> Hmm.
[13:30] <mheath> If you want the old one back, just go into synaptic, and 'Force Version' back to the official ubuntu one.
[13:30] <orvokki> mheath: What if the system won't boot anymore after libc install?
[13:30] <Arelis> So are there people who run Ubuntu.... 2.10 or something low like that but are actually running the newest?
[13:31] <Arelis> but do i really have to compile for that?
[13:31] <swuboo> Arelis:  What version of Ubuntu one is running is really a question of what repositories one is drawing from.
[13:31] <mheath> orvokki: Then you've broken your system. Thats not 'because its ubuntu' or 'because it's difficult', it's 'because you failed'.
[13:31] <orvokki> Yups.
[13:31] <mheath> orvokki: you could still boot using the livecd and fix your libc.
[13:32] <boritek> Spidla, now compiz works
[13:32] <boritek> but still no 3d
[13:32] <orvokki> mheath: But still, even if you manage to make a borked kernel that won't boot, you usually have the old kernel in grub boot menu. :)
[13:32] <boritek> i cant run 3d games
[13:32] <Spidla> what config ? xserver-xgl ?
[13:32] <boritek> You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[13:32] <boritek>  Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
[13:32] <boritek>  If this is intentional, add
[13:32] <boritek>        "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1"
[13:32] <boritek>  to the command line when starting the game.
[13:32] <boritek> xgl
[13:32] <Arelis> boritek: DISPLAY=:0 nameofgame
[13:33] <Arelis> do that in a terminal
[13:33] <boritek> ah ok, i'll try that
[13:33] <Spidla> boritek : xserver-xgl uses indirect rendering
[13:33] <Spidla> so no games
[13:33] <Arelis> Spidla: with the DISPLAY=:0 trick you get games
[13:33] <Spidla> really ?
[13:34] <Spidla> thast good .. but xserver-xgl is too slow for me
[13:34] <orvokki> (Indirect rendering)--
[13:35] <Arelis> swuboo: do i really have to compile things to get that?
[13:36] <orvokki> Spidla: Which display adapter card is it?
[13:36] <Spidla> Radeon Xpress 1100
[13:36] <boritek> woohoo
[13:36] <orvokki> Have you tried the proprietary driver?
[13:37] <swuboo> Arelis:  To get what?  Ubuntu 2.10?
[13:37] <boritek> it works now
[13:37] <orvokki> (Not recommended but is usually faster if works)
[13:37] <Arelis> swuboo: to get the newest software
[13:37] <Spidla> propietary driver worked flawlessly for me .. unless i downloaded some updates for this driver from ubuntu hardy repos
[13:38] <boritek> Spidla, with DISPLAY=:0 it is working
[13:38] <boritek> and with good speed
[13:38] <boritek> i checked only one game though
[13:38] <boritek> utban terror
[13:38] <boritek> urban
[13:38] <Arelis> boritek: when you put that in an icon on the desktop or in the menu you have to put env in front of it. so "env DISPLAY=:0 urbanterror"
[13:38] <boritek> and also with compiz at the same time running...!!
[13:39] <swuboo> Arelis:  The very, very newest?  Generally, yeah.  But who needs software *that* new?
[13:39] <Arelis> swuboo: The newest GNOME, newest kernel, newest ATI drivers
[13:39] <boritek> Arelis, ok, ty
[13:39] <Arelis> boritek: np
[13:39] <Spidla> :( my problem is still here
[13:39] <ivob> Hi!
[13:40] <ivob> So. I'm net-installing ubuntu 8.04 server edition amd64 image. Process fails at "Downloading installer components" ... No kernel modules found.
[13:40] <Pici> Arelis: The newest software likely has new bugs as well.
[13:40] <boritek> i think this xgl will be much better thing than AIGLX
[13:40] <ivob> Any mirrors around that have kernels that match 8.04?
[13:40] <swuboo> Pici:  The newest bugs, one might even say.
[13:40] <ivob> I assume that's the problem.
[13:41] <D3> I need help with Compiz, If I try to enable any desktop effects, it says "Desktop effects could not be enable"
[13:41] <boritek> Spidla, have you tried DISPLAY thing?
[13:42] <Spidla> but you used DISPLAY to get games working dont you ?
[13:42] <boritek> Spidla, yeah
[13:42] <Arelis> Pici: I want the newest kernel because it has support for my tablet. I want the newest ATI drivers because it has support for compiz and is faster with my videocard, and forget the "I want the newest GNOME", i would like KDE
[13:42] <ivob> by net-installing I ment PXE install with kernel and initrd images booted. Images from: ubuntu-8.04-server/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[13:42] <Spidla> but my problem is compiz
[13:42] <Spidla> not games
[13:42] <Arelis> Pici: not the newest of the newest. The ones who have that.
[13:42] <boritek> Spidla, games are running?
[13:42] <Spidla> i dont have any on my laptop
[13:43] <ivob> Install process is suggesting booting with another kernel/ different version of ubuntu.
[13:43] <boritek> download one
[13:43] <time2code> what is the command line syntax to do a dist-upgrade
[13:43] <boritek> compiz is the smallest problem for me
[13:43] <ivob> But I specifically want this one since I suspect my NIC modules are in it.
[13:43] <boritek> coz its unstable anyway
[13:43] <ToxinPowe> time2code, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:43] <D3> I went into /usr/bin/ and ran Compiz in the terminal, and it says "Checking for Xgl: not present.
[13:43] <D3> Found laptop using ati driver.
[13:43] <D3> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity "
[13:43] <Spidla> but i want 3d accel because of compiz ... I like that :)
[13:43] <boritek> and till DRI2 you cant use that with other 3d applications or games
[13:43] <D3> Is there any way to get around that?
[13:44] <boritek> except this xgl thing
[13:44] <Spidla> I gues the only way for me is to get fglrx working
[13:44] <Pici> D3: Have you tried enabling the restricted drivers?
[13:44] <Pici> There should no longer be a need for xserver-xgl anymore.
[13:44] <D3> Pici, how do I do that?
[13:45] <boritek> Spidla, i used xgl around feisty too
[13:45] <Arelis> swuboo: so do you know how i get the newest kernel, the newest ATI drivers, and KDE?
[13:45] <Pici> D3: System>Administration>Restricted Drivers Manager
[13:45] <boritek> i just forgot this display
[13:45] <Spidla> yeah I used xgl in feisty too
[13:45] <boritek> and that time there wasnt a normal solution for even compiz
[13:45] <boritek> but with xgl i could try that
[13:45] <D3> Pici, I don't have a "Restricted Drivers Manager" option.
[13:46] <boritek> so you have to keep an eye on xgl
[13:46] <Arelis> ////
[13:46] <Pici> D3: Hardware something? I dont have a hardy system here to check against.
[13:46] <boritek> hardy should support aiglx in hardy, it still doesnt work
[13:46] <Pici> boritek: It does, and it works fine on my x1400.
[13:47] <D3> System>Administration>Hardware Drivers?
[13:47] <boritek> Pici, you have gutsy right?
[13:47] <Pici> D3: Thats it.
[13:47] <D3> There are no listings in there
[13:47] <Pici> boritek: No, I have Hardy on this computer (which I'm sshed into) and another Gutsy workstation locally.
[13:47] <boritek> it worked on gutsy, but no longer in hardy on my pc
[13:48] <Pici> boritek: aiglx? what card do you have?
[13:48] <boritek> it just doesnt use the open and cloese ati drivers
[13:48] <boritek> ATI9600 SE
[13:48] <boritek> the restricted driver list (new name: jockey-gtk) is empty
[13:49] <Pici> I could be wrong, but I think that the ATIs closed drivers no longer support that card. But it doesnt work properly enough for compiz to be enabled. I'd try to use the blacklist workaround.
[13:49] <boritek> but now that i have installed xgl and swithed on compiz it asked me to use ati driver
[13:50] <swuboo> Arelis:  No, I don't.  If Hardy has the versions you need, then by all means, upgrade.
[13:50] <swuboo> Arelis:  Just remember that even if it's a Release Candidate, it's not a Release, and there's a reason.
[13:50] <boritek> Pici, you are wrong
[13:50] <boritek> its not that old
[13:50] <boritek> and it worked cool in gutsy
[13:50] <Spidla> jesus
[13:50] <Pici> boritek: Do you happen to know what chipset is in that?
[13:51] <Spidla> i dont know how but its working
[13:51] <boritek> :)
[13:51] <Spidla> fglrx
[13:51] <Spidla> i mean
[13:51] <boritek> chipset in what?
[13:51] <Pici> boritek: your ati card
[13:51] <boritek> i dont know
[13:51] <boritek> how can i check that?
[13:51] <boritek> what happened that it works?
[13:52] <Spidla> fglrx is working with eveything ...
[13:52] <Spidla> i dont know
[13:52] <boritek> lol
[13:52] <Spidla> I uninstalled everything
[13:52] <Spidla> an dinstalled fglrx
[13:52] <D3> Pici, my GFX card is built-in to my motherboard
[13:52] <Spidla> i will try few restarts
[13:52] <Spidla> maybe its just temporary luck :)
[13:52] <boritek> hmmm. i tired reinstalling thing which didnt work, maybe its not the same as uninstalling and instaling again?
[13:53] <boritek> Spidla, plz list every package exactly that u uninstalled!
[13:53] <Spidla> it is big difference between reinstalling and remove/purge/install
[13:53] <Pici> boritek: Hrmm looks like the conversation I was looking for is in my archived logs, which I can't get to right now.
[13:53] <boritek> Spidla, have you purged them?
[13:53] <Spidla> hey second reboot without problems yeaaaah
[13:53] <Spidla> yes
[13:54] <boritek> hhehe lol
[13:54] <boritek> cool
[13:55] <boritek> Spidla, plz list each package
[13:55] <boritek> and tell if it was a purge or just a simple remove
[13:55] <Spidla> i purged everything connected with fglrx and glx
[13:55] <Spidla> I mean
[13:55] <Spidla> xorg-driver-fglrx
[13:56] <Spidla> flgrx-amdccle or something
[13:56] <Spidla> there was also something like fglrx-kernel-source
[13:56] <Spidla> then i ran .... aticonfig --initial -f
[13:57] <Spidla> fuck
[13:57] <Pici> Please watch the language here.
[13:57] <Spidla> noooooo
[13:57] <Spidla> sorry
[13:57] <boritek> what happened?
[13:57] <Spidla> its stucked again ..after third reboot
[13:57] <boritek> :(
[13:57] <Spidla> i acnt understand it
[13:58] <Spidla> cant
[13:58] <ivob> I'm asking again ... why does install fail at "Download installer components", specifically it ends with: "No kernel modules found...."
[13:58] <ivob> Mismatch between kernel versions...
[13:58] <boritek> i might try uninstall xgl, coz finally i have closed driver in my jockey-gtk
[13:58] <ompaul> ivob, is there a working base system or are you upgrading?
[13:59] <Spidla> i am getting really annoyed
[13:59] <ivob> ompaul: fresh install
[13:59] <boritek> yeah, its damn annoying
[13:59] <ompaul> ivob, when did you download the cd
[13:59] <Spidla> another reboot .. not working
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul: I'm installing with PXE method.
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul: copied kernel + initrd from CD image
[14:00] <ivob> ompaul:  Images from: ubuntu-8.04-server/install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[14:00] <ivob> linux, initrd.gz
[14:01] <Spidla> i dont know what to do now
[14:01] <D3> about my problem....
[14:01] <ompaul> ivob, then I have no information for you - but would guess you might have a different version to the booting system
[14:01] <bullgard4> Spidla: Please do not replace interpunction with the Enter key.
[14:01] <ompaul> !install | ivob (perhaps you can check your method against some of them here)
[14:01] <ubotu> ivob (perhaps you can check your method against some of them here): Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[14:02] <boritek> rebooting, brb
[14:02] <ivob> I assume problem is with mirrors. They just aren't "synced" to 8.04.
[14:03] <ivob> Or perhaps installer is seraching in wrong places.
[14:03] <ompaul> there are different cds every day
[14:03] <ompaul> so you got to factor that in
[14:03] <Spidla> boritek: After several reboots I see one thing ... in the Xorg.log I see that Xserver stops after line drmOpenByBusID
[14:04] <Pici> Yes, daily isos dont get the same level of testing as milestone releases do.
[14:04] <ivob> ompaul: so what happens after release? Freeze?
[14:04] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[14:04] <D3> does anybody have any ideas on how to get Compiz to work on my Compaq Presario 2500? (Intel Pentium 4 processor, GFX card is built in to motherboard)
[14:04] <Spidla> boritek : hey thats the line before loading AIGLX
[14:04] <ivob> Pici: I see. So when it's officially out, I can assume this will be fixed/synced.
[14:05] <ivob> I just hate burning CD medias. I prefer PXE install.
[14:05] <ompaul> ivob, kind of that is
[14:06] <ompaul> ivob, you get a version of the distro which may be revised over the following couple of years with .1 and .2 when a serious amount of patches have been issued
[14:06] <ivob> well then It's buh bye ubuntu. Since my HW is to new for 7.10
[14:06] <ompaul> ivob, well if you don't do CDs that is your call
[14:07] <ivob> I guess so.
[14:07] <ompaul> ivob, release you get sec packages generally going forward
[14:07] <ivob> bye
[14:07] <ompaul> have a nice day
[14:09] <D3> still no help then?
[14:10] <boritek> Spidla, YESSSS !!!!!!
[14:10] <boritek> Thats the way
[14:10] <boritek> its working as earlier!
[14:10] <Spidla> ?
[14:11] <bullgard4> I have got a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2. Where should I decompress it?
[14:11] <boritek> God bless XGL!
[14:11] <Lamego> bullgard4, on the same place, usr/sr
[14:11] <Lamego> src
[14:12] <boritek> Spidla, The solution was this in my case: after installing XGL
[14:12] <boritek> i switched on Compiz which asked me to enable the closed driver!
[14:13] <Spidla> and ?
[14:13] <boritek> which was unreachable with the restriceted driver manager (jockey-gtk)
[14:13] <boritek> before
[14:13] <boritek> so I enabled it
[14:13] <boritek> and then i had to reboot
[14:13] <boritek> and then i had the driver in jockey
[14:13] <Spidla> wow ...
[14:13] <boritek> and then i uninstalled xgl
[14:13] <boritek> and swithed off compiz
[14:14] <boritek> and everthing is as before in gutsy...:D :D woohoo
[14:15] <boritek> i just switched off compiz so that i can use other 3d apps and games, but compiz works too!!
[14:15] <AaronMT> hi
[14:16] <Spidla> ok so I will switch to vesa driver.... then I will install xserver-xgl ... run compiz ... enable closed driver... uninstall xgl ... switch off compiz ?
[14:16] <boritek> Spidla, yeah try that
[14:16] <Spidla> ok :)
[14:16] <orvokki> Sounds somehow overkill. *shrug*
[14:17] <saga234> Could someone confirm if you move the bottom gnome panel to the side.. the text disapears? and changes to ...
[14:17] <boritek> orvokki, why? do u know any easier steps?
[14:18] <boritek> saga234, what if you enlarge the side-panel?
[14:18] <orvokki> Hum, can't tell for certain. That Compiz stuff just sounds overkill.
[14:19] <saga234> boritek: in the past it would have the text run vertical
[14:19] <orvokki> That is, starting and stopping it.
[14:19] <saga234> orvokki: increase the size of the panel does bring the text out but its running horizontal.
[14:19] <boritek> saga234, but anyway i think you are better off forgeting panels on side with task-swither
[14:20] <boritek> if you are trying to use that one
[14:20] <boritek> its pretty buggy
[14:20] <saga234> boritek: its the windows list.. the last gnome it ran fine.
[14:20] <saga234> and all my other boxes it works as expected.
[14:20] <boritek> earlier i was also playing to custumize my panels on the side but i gave up
[14:21] <Spidla> boritek: when I enable fglrx my system hangs :(
[14:21] <boritek> gnome-panel worked freaky and used up almost all my CPU
[14:21] <Spidla> nevermind ... I got to go
[14:21] <Spidla> boritek : I have been here in this IRC channel for the first time ... are you here boritek often ?
[14:21] <boritek> hmm, dunno why, ok, see you
[14:22] <boritek> i have been here for some days, right coz of this 3d problem
[14:22] <saga234> Is there a way in nautilus to open a terminal in the directory you are?
[14:22] <boritek> after hardy has been installed
[14:22] <v0lksman> Hey All!  If I put KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k", GROUP="vboxusers", MODE="0660" into /etc/udev/rules.d/20-names.rule and restart udev any reason that the device gets created as crw------- root.root ?
[14:23] <bullgard4> Lamego: I have done as advised.
[14:23] <Spidla> ok :) ... maybe we will meet here again ... see ya ;)
[14:23] <boritek> see you
[14:23] <boritek> and good luck
[14:23] <Spidla> thx
[14:24] <D3> So no help then?
[14:27] <v0lksman> anyone?
[14:28] <MrMist> v0lksman: sorry... I have noe idea
[14:29] <Daenyth> Hi, I'm having some wireless issues. nm-applet isn't detecting any networks (on a fresh Hardy install). If I do iwlist wlan0 scan however, I can see many networks
[14:31] <Daenyth> Right now I'm rebooting into windows to make sure the NIC is enabled, although I don't think that's the issue
[14:31] <Daenyth> has anyone here seen anything like that?
[14:31] <x1250> Uhm, my videos look like crap, like if their quality was lower than it really is. They look a little pixelized. This doesn't happen on debian. Why would this happen?
[14:32] <Daenyth> windows is also connecting normally (winXP:MCE)
[14:32] <D3> anybody...?
[14:32] <Fritzel> I just installed the nvidia beta driver from the nvidia website and I don't know if it's just me or if it's really faster but it seems alot faster to me
[14:32] <Daenyth> Has anyone seen such issues with nm-applet?
[14:33] <Daenyth> I have an Intel/PRO wireless nic. It's a laptop
[14:33] <Pici> Daenyth: I had an issue the other day, but I wasn't able to re-create it.
[14:33] <x1250> Daenyth: whats the problem?
[14:34] <x1250> Ah, I read now
[14:34] <x1250> Uhm, yeah, I've experience that too
[14:34] <Fritzel> where is the configuration file that says which screenlets start at login? the myip screenlet is depressed, it can't stay away and insists that I don't love it anymore
[14:34] <x1250> only way to connect to a new network is rebooting or with wifi-radar
[14:35] <Daenyth> hmm
[14:35] <Daenyth> I also tried connecting manually, and was able to associate with iwconfig, but dhclient timed out without receiving a lease
[14:35] <mooboo1> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in nvidia drivers package
[14:35] <Daenyth> is wifi-radar part of the default install?
[14:35] <Daenyth> I'm not too keen on using it, having done so before, but if it's the only way to connect...
[14:36] <x1250> Daenyth: IIRC, nope
[14:36] <Daenyth> would installing an older version of nm-applet work?
[14:36] <Daenyth> Can you point me to where I could DL it? This computer is Archlinux, so I don't have the ubuntu repos handy
[14:36] <Daenyth> either wifi-radar or an older nm-applet
[14:36] <Daenyth> also, do you know if this issue has been reported on the bug tracker?
[14:38] <puppetmaster>  hi everyone, I can't mount my Ntfs partitions after the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[14:38] <x1250> No, I don't know about any bug report (haven't search)
[14:38] <Daenyth> yeah, I'm searching now
[14:38] <Daenyth> nm-applet seems really buggy to judge from the tracker :P
[14:41] <Daenyth> Will the gutsy wifi-radar package work?
[14:41] <puppetmaster> ?
[14:41] <Daenyth> woops nvm
[14:41] <Daenyth> I didn't notice a dropdown asking for which version
[14:42] <VSpike> puppetmaster: may be silly, but I thought the same thing and then realised I'd hibernated the vista OS and so the partitions were marked as "in use
[14:42] <VSpike> puppetmaster: if you hibernate the windows OS you won't be able to mount the ntfs partitions
[14:42] <Daenyth> what package contains nm-applet, and does anyone know if an older version might not have this bug?
[14:43] <Daenyth> aha found it
[14:43] <puppetmaster> no dear
[14:43] <puppetmaster> I have xp
[14:43] <puppetmaster> and I chkdsk the partitions
[14:43] <puppetmaster> and i shutdown xp cleanly
[14:43] <puppetmaster> so?
[14:44] <VSpike> puppetmaster: did you try mounting from the command line and if so do you get any useful error message?
[14:45] <puppetmaster> yes i get an error messege
[14:45] <puppetmaster> i will screenshot it
[14:45] <Tuv0k> does numlockx turn you guys numlock keyboard light on, although the keypad is functional, the light is not comming on to let me know?
[14:46] <Daenyth> On archlinux it works as expected, including the light
[14:46] <mooboo1> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in the nvidia-utils drivers package
[14:46] <Daenyth> can't say as for ubuntu though
[14:48] <puppetmaster> here is the error messege
[14:48] <puppetmaster> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2020/screenshot1tu9.png
[14:48] <x1250> anyone having scrollkeeper xml parsing errors with aptitude?
[14:49] <smallfoot-> hardy is on 8 days, please hurry up and fix the pink shadows & window decoration but in the nvidia-utils drivers package
[14:49] <smallfoot-> bug*
[14:49] <puppetmaster> so what do u think?
[14:51] <Daenyth> What's the best way to have wifi-radar started on system start?
[14:51] <Daenyth> Should I add a NOPASSWD: entry to /etc/sudoers and add it to be called on gnome start?
[14:51] <x1250> Daenyth: nm-applet is on network-manager-gnome
[14:51] <puppetmaster> hey anyone
[14:52] <puppetmaster> what do u think about my mount problem?
[14:52] <Daenyth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/207767 <<-- this bug seems related to my problem
[14:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207767 in network-manager-applet "[hardy] nm-editor does nothing" [Undecided,New]
[14:52] <x1250> Daenyth: AFAIR, wifi-radar executed at boot time. I remember I see it start when looking the boot messages (I use no splash).
[14:52] <Daenyth> ah
[14:53] <Daenyth> automatically set up when I install it?
[14:53] <Daenyth> or must I do something
[14:54] <x1250> I had nothing to do with it, just install it. Anyway to get an IP you must execute the GUI from gnome...
[14:54] <Daenyth> hmm
[14:54] <Daenyth> ok
[14:54] <Daenyth> I just hope nm-applet gets fixed soonish
[14:55] <Daenyth> The system is for my gf, I finally convinced her to let me install linux :p
[14:55] <Daenyth> doesn't come off well to have a big bug like that
[14:55] <Daenyth> at least I can work around it
[14:55] <Daenyth> thanks then
[14:55] <x1250> nice, my mom is using debian etch on an old laptop :)
[14:55] <Daenyth> heh
[14:55] <x1250> just linux in my house :)
[14:55] <Daenyth> I set it up as a dual boot, but I only expect her to use windows for netflix
[14:56] <Daenyth> since she uses firefox/OOo mainly
[14:56] <Daenyth> my method was to just laugh at her every time she had to reboot, or whenever weird crap happened
[14:56] <Daenyth> like the sims game she installed starting itself without being told to do so
[14:57] <Daenyth> by far one of the strangest things I've seen
[14:57] <x1250> lol
[14:59] <x1250> it will probably get fixed, but I think this is an upstream bug, so maybe the fix will not get into hardy unless the packagers patch it.
[15:00] <x1250> I don't know if devs do that after a stable release is out, or if they fix only security issues as with debian
[15:01] <bullgard4> What does Nautilus show precisely as 'Type' for the 'file' /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/Documentation?
[15:01] <Daenyth> I don't use nm-applet on this system so I can't say whether it's upstream or not, but I'm sure a bug that prevents a wireless manager from detecting networks will be a top priority fix :P
[15:01] <Daenyth> bullgard4: I would guess that it makes a call similiar to the CLI util "file"
[15:02] <bullgard4> Daenyth: I am interested in an exact answer.
[15:02] <Daenyth> then look at the code?
[15:02] <Pici> bullgard4: Then you should perhaps be asking the gnome developers or look at the source directly.
[15:03] <x1250> bullgard4: its a link
[15:04] <bullgard4> Pici: To answer my simple question does not need a GNOME developer. A humble Hardy Nautilus user is enough.
[15:04] <bullgard4> x1250: And what does Nautilus say exactly?
[15:04] <Daenyth> why not just launch nautilus yourself and find out if that's all it takes
[15:04] <Pici> bullgard4: I thought you meant 'how does nautilus know what file type X is'
[15:04] <Daenyth> bullgard4: your question was pretty unclear. I thought that also
[15:05] <Lamego> I am trying the latest daily cd install on vmware and it just hangs up after selecting "Install Ubuntu", any ideas ?
[15:05] <x1250> bullgard4: Prolly "Link to Folder" (Spanish gnome in here)
[15:05] <bullgard4> Pici: But can you answer my very simple question now?
[15:06] <bullgard4> x1250: Please tell me what do you mean by 'Prolly'? I do not know this word.
[15:06] <x1250> Probably...
[15:06] <bullgard4> x1250: Have you got a Nautilus and Hardy?
[15:07] <Pici> bullgard4: It just says 'Link to folder'
[15:07] <x1250> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prolly
[15:07] <x1250> bullgard4: Yes, if not I wouldn't be here
[15:07] <Pici> bullgard4: do you have Nautilus on your computer? I'm just wondering why you're asking.
[15:07] <bullgard4> Pici: Ah! Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
[15:08] <bullgard4> Pici: Because I have another version of Nautilus than you although I am also operating Hardy.
[15:09] <bullgard4> Pici: There are locales in this world of data engineering.
[15:10] <Pici> bullgard4: Ah, a translation question, okay :)
[15:10] <bullgard4> Pici: But I did not ask you to translate.
[15:11] <Pici> bullgard4: Yes, I know.
[15:11] <x1250> bullgard4: for what are you using that nautilus info?
[15:13] <bullgard4> x1250: I am going to find out how the information is transferred from the inode all the way through to the Nautilus column. And GNOME documentation in my native language is scarce. So I need to resort to the universal locale 'C' which is English.
[15:15] <Daenyth> bullgard4: it's my understanding that it uses stat() or similar
[15:15] <Daenyth> I could be mistaken though
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> anyone else experiencing random crashes of pidgin?
[15:16] <bullgard4> Daenyth: I agree but it is not so easy to use stat(). A command-line tool would be more handy. But the output of the command-line 'file' differs from the output of Nautilus.
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> it might just be my dial-up
[15:17] <Hobbsee> Daenyth: replied to your bug.
[15:17] <Daenyth> moment
[15:18] <Daenyth> I guess I'll make an account to post
[15:18] <Daenyth> sigh
[15:18] <Daenyth> already have one... hmm
[15:23] <Daenyth> afk
[15:23] <m1r> hello
[15:24] <m1r> where can i find list of ubuntu server archives on cd to edit for only local archive ?
[15:25] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I am in a dilemma: When having questions close to the kernel (e. g. about pm-utils) in the past, the Linux Kernel Mailing List pushed me out because I did not use the latest kernel version. When I put that same question in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-de I was referred to LKML. How to escape this dilemma? (##kernelnewbees is almost dead.)
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: i'd try asking the person who last uploaded pm-utils that.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: pitti on irc
[15:26] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: looking at it, it looks like benc has done more uploads, so i'd ask him, maybe in #ubuntu-kernel
[15:26] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: Ok, I will try that. --  Thank you.
[15:26] <Hobbsee> even if he doesn't want to answer it himself, he should be able to point you
[15:26] <Hobbsee> no problem
[15:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, kinda' late, but I thought of something that'd be cool to see in an Ubuntu kernel -- even if in hardy+1:
[15:29] <DanaG> the HP "mdps" driver -- the equivalent of IBM/Lenovo's hdaps.
[15:51] <khamael> does hardy have better support for webcams?
[15:52] <Upayavira> Firefox is running at 100% CPU, even when it isn't supposedly doing anything. This is overheating my laptop at times.
[15:53] <Upayavira>  I've connected strace to it, and it spews out loads of stuff, esp, lots of gettimeofday({1208357186, 630776}, NULL) = 0 entries
[15:53] <Upayavira> any ideas what this is about, or what further things to check out?
[15:54] <kreative> which plugins you use
[15:55] <smallfoot-> Upayavira, you have any plugins/extension?
[15:55] <Upayavira> web developer plugin/firebug and the defaults
[15:56] <jf> Upayavira: Even if you just have about:blank open?
[15:57] <dennda> On both of my computers I cannot fetch my mail with evolution anymore. Is that a known problem?
[15:57] <Upayavira> I have quite a few windows open
[15:58] <jf> Some flash commercial sites can make my firefox go banans. Nothing like that?
[15:59] <m1r> dennda , what is problem ?
[15:59] <dennda> m1r: It doesn't do it automatically and the button is gray
[15:59] <m1r> oh ok
[15:59] <m1r> go to File
[16:00] <m1r> and check if it is online
[16:00] <dennda> huh
[16:00] <dennda> Why is that?
[16:00] <m1r> File menu
[16:00] <dennda> works now
[16:00] <m1r> then go down
[16:00] <m1r> yes
[16:00] <m1r> i had same problem
[16:00] <Upayavira> far fewer windows now - still a load of 1.8
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> NetworkManager goofiness again?
[16:05] <saurabh> equaliser doesn't work in exaile, bugs.launcpad status says fix released, please help
[16:15] <Vadi> How can I change the video driver used in 8.04? I don't see the 'screens and graphics' in administration anymore, and xorg.conf doesn't exist.
[16:20] <kRush> what's up with the not all updates can be installed message? or is it just me?
[16:21] <levander> Anyone has tried opensync on hardy?
[16:21] <levander> Last I heard about this thing, it wasn't ready for primetime.
[16:22] <peeps[work]> i just got a new laptop at work, about to install ubuntu on it.  do you guys think I should put Hardy beta on it, since the release is so close
[16:22] <DG19075> Has anyone lost the desktop Trash icon, and can't get it back with Configuration Editor? That's tyhe problem I have now...
[16:22] <levander> peeps[work]: Read the topic.
[16:23] <peeps[work]> levander, what about it?
[16:24] <levander> peeps[work]: It gives suggestion on whether or not to use Hardy.
[16:25] <GABBAR> hi, i downloaded some updates and my wireless card just dissapeared, i checked in restricted drivers as well its not there anymore, its a broadcomm 802.11/a/b/g and im running hardy
[16:25] <GABBAR> any ideas ?
[16:26] <stael123> can't get 2 sound applications run at the same time!
[16:26] <stael123> any ideas?
[16:37] <smallfoot-> my external partitions get mounted as /media/music/ then /media/music_/ then /media/music__/ then /media/music___/, etc... only i have this problem?
[16:38] <goodhabit> Vadi, u need to install restricted extras, then go to system - administration - video drivers
[16:38] <goodhabit> smallfoot-, no, not only u.
[16:38] <smallfoot-> goodhabit, everyone has it?
[16:39] <goodhabit> smallfoot-, dunno, I have.
[16:39] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:39] <smallfoot-> i hope it get fixed before release
[16:39] <smallfoot-> only 8 day left
[16:39] <goodhabit> Gutsy was released totally shitty.
[16:39] <goodhabit> Peace of I'd say.
[16:39] <peeps[work]> is there still a package to easily install firefox2 in hardy?
[16:39] <Pici> goodhabit: Please watch the language in here.
[16:40] <goodhabit> Pici, understood, I'm really sorry.
[16:40] <Lamego> peeps[work], firefox-2
[16:40] <hischild> peeps[work], firefox-2
[16:40] <peeps[work]> ok, cool, i don't have hardy installed, yet, just wanted to know before i do
[16:41] <peeps[work]> cause I gotta test websites i develop on
[16:44] <DG19075> ﻿I'm still trying to get my Trash desktop icon back after it disappeared deleting a theme. Unchecking/rechecking the desktop_icon_visible entry in the Configuration Editor doesn't help. Running Hardy here...
[16:46] <xfrogman5> DG19075 why not just dock it on a panel?
[16:47] <bullgard4> In Hardy I called Nautilus as root in a GNOME terminal. I was surprised about the message: "seahorse nautilus module initialized". How can I make this module visible?
[16:49] <DG19075> Just used to the other look, I guess LOL
[16:51] <xfrogman5> DG19075 the trash can should be on the bottom panel in the right hand corner with a default installation of hardy.
[16:52] <DG19075> which it is
[16:52] <xfrogman5> You don't want to us it there?
[16:53] <DG19075> I just like seeing it on the desktop as it's easier to delete files I've been working on.
[16:53] <DG19075> Was deleting a theme this morning and the hilited theme took the icon with it whenI hit delete.
[16:54] <Pici> Did you check in the trash?
[16:54] <m1r> DG19075: maybe reinstall theme back to check ?
[16:54] <Nick_Hill> I have found a bug where 8.04 CD boot will hang on [142.892747] b43legacy-phy0:Broadcom 4301 WLAN found  . Any ideas where I should file this bug?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> Nick_Hill, on the bug site?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> Nick_Hill, http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+bugs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[16:55] <Nick_Hill> Tuv0k, Hmmm
[16:55] <Tuv0k> 1st hit
[16:55] <Nick_Hill> I meant what package
[16:56] <x1250> hal?
[16:56] <VSpike> Hardy works well on this Sony Vaio FS series, and the display brightness setting works well.  However, I notice that I get the dimming of the display when idle on AC, even though I have specifically turned that option off in the power settings.  Is this a known problem?
[16:56] <Nick_Hill> x1250, Thanks.
[16:56] <VSpike> I know there are lots of open bugs all quite similar in this area
[16:56] <Tuv0k> thats for you to determine before it can be called a "bug"
[16:57] <akio> can someone explain why there is no package release for gnome-keyring-manager amd64?
[16:57] <x1250> yeah,  better ask first, I'm not sure
[16:57] <Pirate_Hunter>  ello recently did the latest update for hardy and now my package manager dont work, how do i fix this?
[16:58] <x1250> Any errors Pirate_Hunter?
[16:59] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: it seems it cnat open /var/lib/apt/lists which is weird
[17:00] <x1250> what is the "package manager" you mention? apt-get, aptitude, synaptic?
[17:00] <VSpike> Does hardy have its own project name on launchpad?
[17:00] <Pirate_Hunter> package manager doesnt work aftre latest update /var/lib/apt/lists cant be opened or parsed how can i fix this?
[17:00] <KEBA> hello
[17:01] <BUGabundo> make sure you don't have any apt app running, Pirate_Hunter
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and then remove the lock
[17:01] <x1250> Pirate_Hunter: what you say is not enough to help...
[17:01] <BUGabundo> and clear/remove the libs if necessary
[17:01] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: lets say all of them seriosu all the package manager cont work
[17:02] <Tuv0k> huh?]
[17:02] <KEBA> ive a question: why i need a password to chek the new updates? and i have the feeling, if a press cancel "he" load the files new again
[17:02] <x1250> ok, but is there any chance you can pastebin some console messages?
[17:02] <Tuv0k> huh?
[17:02] <x1250> "it doesn't work" is not enough
[17:02] <Tuv0k> !ask
[17:03] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:03] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: listen i dont know what the problem is al it tell me is that it cant open/parse /var/lib/apt/lists I cnat upgrade, install etc and packages so could you help me please
[17:03] <Tuv0k> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:03] <x1250> I can't help you
[17:04] <Tuv0k> geez
[17:04] <Tuv0k> read the link I dropped
[17:04] <Tuv0k> that will help you
[17:04] <Pirate_Hunter> cna anyone help me sort out why the latest update for hardy broke package manager, it seems i cnat update, install packages as it cant open/parse /var/lib/apt/lists?
[17:05] <Tuv0k> and don't constently ask the same question within a minute
[17:05] <Tuv0k> !flood
[17:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[17:05] <m1r> Pirate_Hunter: there should be new update that fix problem with update manager
[17:05] <m1r> try do it manualy
[17:06] <x1250> Pirate_Hunter: If you want help you'll have to provide more info. Saying what you have said several times will NOT do.
[17:06] <orvokki> Hmm, interesting.
[17:06] <Pirate_Hunter> mlr: i just did the update what broke my package manager was the latest update so i doubt it has fixed package manager
[17:06] <x1250> apt is not broken for me...
[17:06] <orvokki> I suspect I might have the same problem.
[17:06] <Pirate_Hunter> x1250: i told you what the system tells me what else do you want to know?
[17:07] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: Have you rebooted since you did that update?
[17:07] <orvokki> Also was it update or upgrade?
[17:07] <Pici> rather the upgrade that you think broke it.
[17:07] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: yes I have and on my system bar ive got an error sign from package update manager
[17:08] <orvokki> Pici: Well, I just ran *just* update and got a lock issue.
[17:08] <orvokki> I suspect there might have been something weird with today's update(s).
[17:09] <orvokki> Ah, my problem was fixed by waiting a while.
[17:09] <orvokki> Apparently apt-get update exited before all the forked processes were done.
[17:09] <Pirate_Hunter> orvokki: you cna say that again something is definetely wrong when it breaks update manager :/
[17:09] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: any suggestions
[17:09] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: I've only seen that error you're getting when there are filesystem issues.
[17:10] <Pici> Or rather, similar issues.
[17:10] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: nope no file system errors here only an update that broke itself and cant access /var/lib/apt/lists as the system tells me
[17:11] <Pici> Can you access it?
[17:12] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici: here is the actual message http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:13] <x1250> that was different from what you said.
[17:13] <x1250> can you cat any of those files?
[17:13] <Pirate_Hunter> can anyone help me here is the message from my update manager - http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:14] <akio> pirate
[17:15] <akio> i will help you
[17:15] <akio> open up a console
[17:15] <tim1> Hello.
[17:15] <akio> become root
[17:15] <akio> type in aptitude
[17:15] <tim1> Hi chuy.
[17:15] <ikonia> akio: don't advise people to become root
[17:16] <chuy>  sup room, Hardy Beta user here who is experiencing frequent compiz-real high cpu utilization which cause the system to lock up
[17:16] <akio> ?
[17:16] <x1250> ikonia: why not?
[17:16] <ikonia> x1250: ubuntu uses sudo
[17:16] <x1250> so what?
[17:16] <akio> samish
[17:16] <ikonia> so the ubuntu supported methodoligy is to use sudo
[17:16] <akio> ok then sudo su root
[17:16] <x1250> that is not correct
[17:16] <chuy> sounds good to me
[17:16] <ikonia> thats what the recommendation should be
[17:16] <x1250> sudo su
[17:16] <tim1> Anyone here having problems with b43? It doesn't find any networks. bcm43xx is working alright.
[17:16] <x1250> is also correct
[17:16] <ikonia> akio: no
[17:16] <orvokki> x1250: Becoming root is usually considered both a security risk and a way to easily break your system.
[17:16] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone please help me fix my package manager please here is the error message http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:16] <x1250> orvokki: yeah right...
[17:16] <orvokki> x1250: Become root for the task, don't change into root.
[17:17] <tim1> x1250: Isn't su root the same?
[17:17] <Pici> sudo -i preferably.
[17:17] <akio> why am i being silenced when i am the only one attempting to troubleshoot the damn issue?
[17:17] <orvokki> That's why sudo exists.
[17:17] <x1250> there is nothing wrong with being root
[17:17] <akio> pirate you there?
[17:17] <jussi01> !supportroot
[17:17] <x1250> you can make the same mistakes using sudo
[17:17] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[17:17] <bigon> does anybody has also troubles to print thing via another cups server? i get /usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed
[17:17] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: yes
[17:18] <x1250> becoming root with $ sudo su, is very handy
[17:18] <akio> when in the console, press ctrl+t
[17:18] <ikonia> x1250: it's not the ubuntu supported technique
[17:18] <akio> you should see a menu
[17:18] <orvokki> x1250: Or sudo -i or sudo -s
[17:18] <ikonia> x1250: hence why I said "not recommended"
[17:18] <orvokki> But it's not recommended.
[17:18] <x1250> ikonia: if you can do it, then IT IS supported
[17:18] <tim1> bigon: I've never had any problems with CUPS, even network servers (TCP/IP I think) are working properly here.
[17:18] <x1250> its linux, and not other thing
[17:18] <chuy> so anyone else experiencing compiz-real high cpu utilization?
[17:18] <bigon> tim1: :/
[17:19] <ikonia> x1250: I can remove my root file system, is that supported ?
[17:19] <orvokki> x1250: Compiling your own kernel for Ubuntu can be done too, it's still not supported.
[17:19] <x1250> with $ sudo su, you DONT need a root password
[17:19] <Pirate_Hunter> http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:19] <akio> use the arrow keys to navigate to clean package cache
[17:19] <akio> then hit enter
[17:19] <ikonia> x1250: the bottom line is, in an ubuntu support channel, your supposed to recommend the ubuntu solution, sudo su - is not the recommended solution, please don't suggest it, despite your personal feelings
[17:19] <x1250> hey guys, we're talking about a simple thing: don't having to write sudo all the time
[17:19] <akio> do the same thing and clean obsolete files
[17:19] <x1250> is there any difference between $ sudo command, and # command?
[17:20] <x1250> nope
[17:20] <Keithabuse> Can anyone help with a networking problem I am having in mythbuntu 8.04? I am behind a router, can ping other machines, but can't ping the router, or connect to the net. Using asus mobo with realtek gigabit lan.
[17:20] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: should explain where do i go to clean package cache as i dont know
[17:20] <tim1> bigon: I have a FRITZ!Box 7170. I don't know whether it's running a CUPS server. One machine here running Microsoft Windows XP neither has any problems with it. So I think it's not a CUPS server.
[17:20] <ikonia> Keithabuse: still pondering it fyi
[17:20] <Keithabuse> ahah, cheers ikonia
[17:20] <akio> use the arrow keys after you hit ctrl+t
[17:20] <akio> then press down and select it
[17:20] <Keithabuse> just thought I'd come in here as you suggested.
[17:20] <akio> then press enter
[17:20] <ikonia> x1250: bottom line is, recommed/support the ubuntu supported method
[17:20] <ikonia> Keithabuse: no no, thats a good idea, welcome
[17:20] <x1250> ikonia: I know ubuntu uses sudo, and you also can make debian use sudo, and so what?
[17:21] <akio> got it pirate?
[17:21] <Keithabuse> I know its not my router - I have ubuntu hardy on my laptop, which works fine (wireless santa-rosa)
[17:21] <ikonia> x1250: your not using debian - your using and supporting people on ubuntu, in an ubuntu channel, please try to recommend the ubuntu supported methodoligy
[17:22] <akio> i had to get a debian package to solve an ubuntu problem
[17:22] <Keithabuse> as I said, I've got WinXP, Vista, Hardy, a wii, and now mythbuntu on this router - and mythbuntu is the only one that doesnt work.
[17:22] <akio> ubuntu is great but its debian before ubuntu
[17:22] <x1250> ikonia: There is no "ubuntu method". Its just a command. The only thing ubuntu does with sudo is not setting the root password, and have the root account disabled for login
[17:22] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: nope ctrl+t does nothing
[17:22] <x1250> there is no other reason
[17:22] <akio> you have to have the console in focus
[17:23] <ikonia> x1250: there is an ubuntu method, I suggest we take this else where as it's not relevant to actual support, but it's important we don't recommended non-supported/dangerous techniques
[17:23] <chuy> Keithabuse: how you getting your ip on this machine, static or dhcp?
[17:23] <akio> hmm
[17:23] <Keithabuse> dhcp, but the router is hard assigning it (192.168.0.98 atm)
[17:23] <tim1> chuy: I've often heard about it. I'm using dhclient to get an IP. But what's the difference between static and DHCP?
[17:24] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: ok you want me to go to #test
[17:24] <chuy> tim1: the difference is static has to be entered by a human who makes mistakes
[17:24] <Keithabuse> as I said, all my machines are done the exact same way, all assigned to 192.168.0.10x
[17:24] <Keithabuse> but its still dhcp, just the router knows to assign those IPs
[17:25] <ikonia> Keithabuse: this may sound silly, but can it ping it's self ?
[17:25] <ikonia> Keithabuse: ie, not localhost
[17:25] <x1250> As I said, the reasons behind it are to have root account disabled, and therefore making "su" command not available to anyone.
[17:25] <tim1> chuy: Mh, but there needs to be a difference how the IPs are being assigned or something?
[17:25] <Keithabuse> yup, pings itself fine as 192 addr.
[17:25] <x1250> there is nothing wrong with using su with sudo.
[17:25] <Keithabuse> Im guessing its not the hardware, as it can ping to other machines?
[17:25] <chuy> I was asking which method he was using so I could rule out errors in what he put in the config files
[17:26] <chuy> keithabuse: assign it a static address and see if that works?
[17:26] <tim1> Keithabuse: Can you ping 64.233.187.99 (google.com)
[17:26] <orvokki> x1250: No point using su with sudo, that's what -i and -s are for.
[17:26] <orvokki> x1250: That's useless use of su.
[17:26] <ikonia> tim1: we went through this in the other chanel
[17:26] <ikonia> tim1: you where there
[17:26] <ikonia> he has no dns
[17:26] <Keithabuse> tim1, "Destination Host Uncreachable", same for what it says for my router.
[17:26] <Pirate_Hunter> for freaking sake how cna i get help on an empty chanel
[17:27] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: what empty channel ?
[17:27] <tim1> ikonia: Yeah, but I didn't follow the discussion as I was reading newsfeeds in the meantime.
[17:27] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: any i just want for someone to help me and sine im using irssi i dont know how to pm :/
[17:27] <akio> ol
[17:27] <akio> i don't either, i use finch
[17:28] <orvokki> Pirate_Hunter: /q nick foo
[17:28] <Pirate_Hunter> akio: sorry for that didnt know channel #pirate existed
[17:28] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter 1.) don't pm people 2.) people will get to you when they can
[17:28] <tim1> Keithabuse: Have you tried sudo dhclient?
[17:28] <akio> lol
[17:28] <orvokki> Pirate_Hunter: Doesn't work on this network unless you're registered.
[17:28] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: i know but i needed it so akonia could help me
[17:28] <Tuv0k> !manners | Pirate_Hunter
[17:28] <ubotu> Pirate_Hunter: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:28] <Keithabuse> just did it.
[17:28] <ikonia> ?
[17:28] <ikonia> I am ikonia
[17:28] <Keithabuse> dont see any errors.
[17:29] <Tuv0k> !nick
[17:29] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[17:29] <Pirate_Hunter> Tuv0k: dont type that since he/she agreed to ehlp me on a separate channel
[17:29] <chuy> keithabuse: is the cat cable known good?
[17:29] <Keithabuse> yup. tried two different ones now.
[17:29] <chuy> and you have verified these cables somewhere else
[17:29] <Tuv0k> !etiquette | Pirate_Hunter
[17:29] <ubotu> Pirate_Hunter: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[17:30] <ikonia> chuy: he can ping the XP box
[17:30] <chuy> dugh, my bad
[17:30] <chuy> didn't read that
[17:30] <Keithabuse> but yeah, all the cables are good.
[17:30] <chuy> what happens if you give it a static address?
[17:30] <trappist> hey where's pg_hba.conf in postgres 8.3?
[17:31] <trappist> I'm used to finding it in /etc/postgresql
[17:31] <tim1> trappist: I don't know. Maybe you could use "locate" or "find"?
[17:31] <corporal_clegg> hello, I've upgraded to hardy
[17:32] <corporal_clegg> is there a way to install the old 2.6.22 kernel inside hardy? (I've deleted it)
[17:32] <trappist> tim1: locate turns up /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/pg_hba.conf.sample
[17:32] <Keithabuse> chuy, doesnt connect at all
[17:32] <corporal_clegg> I need it to use my em28xx dvb-t card...
[17:32] <chuy> is this NIC integrated into MB?
[17:32] <tim1> trappist: Ok, then rename it to pg_hba.conf
[17:32] <tim1> chuy: What's NIC?
[17:32] <Keithabuse> yeah it is
[17:33] <chuy> Network interface card (NIC)
[17:33] <chuy> what kind of mb is it?
[17:33] <tim1> chuy: Does MB stands for mother- or mainboard?
[17:33] <Keithabuse> the nic is Realtek RTL811/8168B rev 01
[17:33] <chuy> cmon tim1: your messing with my head right?
[17:34] <Keithabuse> the MB is the one in the pundit p3, asus p5k-vm i think
[17:34] <chuy> Have you googled for that model nic to see if any others show similar probs?
[17:34] <ikonia> his nic is fine
[17:34] <ikonia> he's on the network
[17:34] <ikonia> it just can't talk to his router that is the issue
[17:34] <chuy> he's not though if static isn't taking and he can't ping selective ip's
[17:34] <chuy> that's not on the network to me
[17:34] <tim1> chuy: No, I just didn't know these words. Sorry, I'm not native speaker.
[17:35] <chuy> tim1: all good
[17:35] <ikonia> Keithabuse: can you please stick netstat -rn and ifconfig -a into a pastebin so I can keep them on screen to work something through please.
[17:35] <chuy> it can be either
[17:35] <Keithabuse> uhm... k it'll be a while
[17:35] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sorry, just easier to keep it on screen to work with
[17:36] <bullgard4> How can I configure Tracker using a GUI configuration tool?
[17:36] <elliotjhug> hi all - I just tried to install fonts into hardy but when I type fonts:/// into nautilus the directory is not found (that was the technique for ubuntu 7.10 and below) - is there a new technique I have to use or am I doing something stupid here?
[17:37] <ShackJack> elliotjhug: You can drop them in .fonts in your home dir....
[17:37] <elliotjhug> thanks
[17:38] <ShackJack> Hi Herons - since the -16 kernel update. I have been without my fglrx driver... Is there some transition being done away from this closed source driver. I noticed a new "Geode" driver goin in - not sure if I should be changing over to that? (Using lappy X1400 Radeon)
[17:38] <ikonia> !tracker >ikonia
[17:39] <elliotjhug> .fonts doesn't appear to exist. will I have to create it (and if so do I have to restart gnome after?)
[17:39] <ikonia> bullgard4: it looks like there are a few front eds for it, eg: beagle
[17:40] <bullgard4> ikonia: I am using a graphical frontend (the one provided with Hardy). I am just missing a configuration tool for it. I used to congure it in the past (Gutsy).
[17:41] <bullgard4> configure
[17:41] <tim1> ShackJack: My brother is using the xorg-driver-fglrx package on Ubuntu Hardy Heron. Have you tried reinstalling it?
[17:41] <ikonia> bullgard4: which one did you use in the past ?
[17:41] <Keithabuse> http://pastebin.com/d3b5b8a44 ikonia
[17:41] <bullgard4> A graphical configuration tool.
[17:42] <ikonia> bullgard4: which one
[17:42] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thanks
[17:42] <Keithabuse> np
[17:42] <bullgard4> ikonia: I do not remember its name.
[17:43] <ikonia> Keithabuse: this will sound dumb I appriciate, but you have no firewalls or anything running on the ubuntu box ?
[17:43] <Keithabuse> its stock mythbuntu, so I guess not
[17:43] <ikonia> Keithabuse: does your router have a web interface to configure it /?
[17:43] <Keithabuse> yeah
[17:44] <ikonia> Keithabuse try telneting to the router on port 80
[17:44] <jmichaelx> i am thinking of upgrading to hardy today, but have one question. i used evny to install nvidia video drivers. should i first remove those drivers before the upgrade?
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: Were these drivers in the repositories?
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: I don
[17:45] <Keithabuse> "No route to host"
[17:45] <tim1> jmichaelx: 't hink there will be any problems.
[17:45] <jmichaelx> tim1:  ok, i didn't thik so, but wanted to check
[17:45] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats stupid, there is a route
[17:46] <ikonia> Keithabuse: can we manually delete and then re-add the route (again - stupid I know)
[17:46] <Keithabuse> ok, just tell me how
[17:46] <bullgard4> ikonia: I have got it: 'tracker-preferences'.
[17:48] <ikonia> Keithabuse: route del 0.0.0.0
[17:48] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sorry, sudo
[17:49] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: sorry ok just call me when you cna
[17:49] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: what exactly is the problem, lets see if its a quickie
[17:50] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: its trying to fix this http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:50] <Pelo> good afternoon folks ?
[17:50] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: ls -la http://pastebin.com/d5ca8b9ed
[17:50] <ikonia> Pelo: hi
[17:51] <Pelo> are we in "RC" yet ? I read some article on digg that hinted
[17:51] <ikonia> Pelo: not according to the website
[17:51]  * Pelo also has a real question about USB Flash drives not mounting automaticaly 
[17:52] <Tuv0k> !ask | Pelo
[17:52] <ubotu> Pelo: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:52] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: so what cna you suggest?
[17:52] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: sorry, I meant "ls -la /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_binary-i386_Packages"
[17:52] <Pelo> Tuv0k, learn to read
[17:52] <Pelo> all the way throught
[17:52] <Tuv0k> take yourt own advise and read the topic?
[17:52] <Tuv0k> says Beta right?
[17:53] <Tuv0k> so no we ar enot RC yet
[17:53] <Tuv0k> and ask you USB Flash question
[17:53] <ShackJack> tim1: Hi - tim1 - stepped out for a sec - no I have not tried reinstalling my fglrx driver... I can give it a go... Seems to work in -15 but when turning compiz on, no decoration... and doesn't show up at all in -16 (under restricted drviers)
[17:53] <Pelo> Tuv0k, that was the question,  usb flash are not automouting
[17:53] <Pelo> anyone else ?
[17:53] <ikonia> ShackJack: when kernels change the drivers may/may not need updating. They may not have been updated yet, it's a beta product at the moment
[17:53] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/d1e60c9aa
[17:54] <trappist> I must be missing a package - I'm trying to run postgresql 8.3 and there's no /etc/postgresql, though it's required by the init scripts, and it wants to find pg_hba.conf there
[17:54] <Tuv0k> !udev
[17:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:54] <tim1> ShackJack: Yeah, that was a problem my brother also had. glxinfo is saying "direct rendering: No", right? I think he installed the proprietary version from AMD.
[17:54] <ShackJack> ikonia: I hear ya... I knew there was some work on an O/S ATI/AMD driver didnt know if HH was switching over to it or not... Am trying the reinstall route ATM
[17:55] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: why the heck that has setuid on that file I'll not understand. I suggest you report the error on luanchpad to the package update-manager with all the detail and what for a response. (thats what the error messages suggests)
[17:55] <ikonia> Keithabuse: how you getting on  ?
[17:55] <ShackJack> tim1: It's installed but when I look under prop drivers, it is not being used evidentally... I also got crash from atieventsd upon reinstalling...
[17:55] <Keithabuse> sorry ikonia, just went to fix some dinner.
[17:56] <Keithabuse> uhm, did "sudo route del 0.0.0.0" and I got "not such process"
[17:56] <jmichaelx> if a person upgrades from gutsy to hardy with both kde 3.5 and kde4 installed, i presume that both will be upgraded?
[17:56] <ikonia> Keithabuse: sudo route del -net 0.0.0.0
[17:56] <tim1> ShackJack: Have you set fglrx to the driver in the xorg.conf?
[17:56] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: well sinc ei havent messed with anything in there is has to do with the update
[17:57] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: it could be an existing bug with update-manager thats nothing to do with the updates
[17:57] <Tuv0k> !stable | jmichaelx
[17:57] <ubotu> jmichaelx: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[17:57] <ShackJack> tim1: Yes, I have not changed anything with respect to xorg.conf - was fglrx last time I looked :) Am rebotting now and will confirm...
[17:57] <tim1> Ok.
[17:58] <m1r> ikonia: other day was some package broken , cant recall name, but was somthing with jockey or like that, after new update manually i think i got that fixed
[17:58] <jmichaelx> Tuv0k: that is no answer to what i asked.
[17:58] <Tuv0k> depends on your understanding
[17:58] <ikonia> m1r: why are you telling me this ?
[17:58] <ShackJack> I tired logging into that Ubuntu brainstorm thing, but darned if I couln't get the captcha right...
[17:59] <m1r> ikonia: maybe u recall package name to help Pirate_Hunter
[17:59] <ikonia> m1r: the problem is with update-manager - the error message tells him that
[17:59] <jmichaelx> it was no answer at all to what was asked.
[17:59] <m1r> ikonia: ok
[17:59] <Keithabuse> ikonia, done with no complaint
[17:59] <Pelo> jmichaelx, I would assume that you would only upgrade to the package that was supported the other would be either removed or left unused and unusable
[17:59] <ikonia> Pirate_Hunter: when you log the bug also log the output of ls -la /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_binary-i386_Packages
[18:00] <ikonia>  as you did for me
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats more like i
[18:00] <ikonia> it
[18:00] <ShackJack> tim1: Yes, fglrx is in xorg, but Restrcited drivers still says it's not in use...
[18:00] <jmichaelx> Pelo: i was just wondering about possibly removing kde4 before i upgrade...
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: when you do a netstat -rn now, you should see the route for 0.0.0.0 gone, can you confirm that please.
[18:00] <Pirate_Hunter> ikonia: ok will do so im in the procedure of registering
[18:00] <Keithabuse> yeah
[18:00] <tim1> ShackJack: Ok, what happens if you try to enable it?
[18:00] <Keithabuse> confirmed.
[18:00] <ShackJack> tim1: Enable it from where?
[18:00] <ikonia> Keithabuse: mega ok, so now "sudo route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw $ip_of_router
[18:01] <Harold> Can anyone tell me how to get mp3 support to work with amarok? The automatic install wont pop up after i chose not to, and im slightly stuck
[18:01] <jbroome> !mp3 | Harold
[18:01] <ubotu> Harold: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:01] <Keithabuse> literally that ikonia, or replace $ip... with 192...?
[18:01] <Harold> already did that
[18:01] <ikonia> replace with 192
[18:01] <Tuv0k> !sound | Harold
[18:01] <ubotu> Harold: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[18:01] <Pelo> jmichaelx, assuming it is not supported (sorry I don'T know about kubuntu) , it woold likiely show up in adempt as "obsolete" or leftover and all the packages would be easy enought to identify
[18:01] <Keithabuse> done
[18:01] <Harold> tuv0k, sound works fine
[18:01] <ikonia> Keithabuse: netstat -rn should show the route back ?
[18:02] <Keithabuse> yes. as it was before.
[18:02] <Tuv0k> Harold, just no mp3s?
[18:02] <ikonia> Keithabuse: ok, now ping your rouer on ip address
[18:02] <Keithabuse> nada
[18:02] <ShackJack> tim1: If you;re referring to xorg, it is already set to fglrx, but fglrxinfo reads Mesa GLX INdirect rendering... ATI driver does not show under Restricted Drivers...
[18:02] <Keithabuse> host uncreachable
[18:02] <Harold> yes
[18:02] <Harold> tuv0k yes
[18:02] <ikonia> Keithabuse: thats so odd, as if the host is unreachable route add should fail as it can't see the gatewat your telling it to use
[18:03] <Pelo> Harold, check the amarok preferences, there is probably a checkbox to "install codecs" or something , re check it
[18:03] <Harold> br00tal
[18:03] <Keithabuse> its all beyond me
[18:03] <ikonia> Keithabuse: I have another random test for you, can you swap the cable/port on the router with another one (I know we know it's working I'm looking for clues)
[18:03] <ikonia> Keithabuse: so plug the XP machine cable intot he ubuntu machine, but leave the XP cable plugged into the router in the same port as the XP had it
[18:04] <Harold> pelo, have any idea which menu it would be under, because i dont see a "Prefrences" tab in amarok
[18:04] <Harold> ive been looking for that
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Sorry for the late response. Have you tried enabling it from this menu (clicking on the checkbox)?
[18:04] <ShackJack> tim1: Which menu?
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Hm. Could you post the xorg.conf to pastebin?
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: This proprietary hardware control center.
[18:04] <Keithabuse> ikonia, I'll lose connection here though.
[18:04] <tim1> ShackJack: Don't know the proper name for it, sorry. :D
[18:05] <ikonia> Keithabuse: I've got to drive home now any how, so I can catch up with you in 25/35 minutes
[18:05] <Pelo> Harold, probably under edit
[18:05] <Keithabuse> hmm. 35 mins I'll be eating dinner.
[18:05] <Pelo> Harold, I'm not saying there is ,  I'm just assuming
[18:05] <Keithabuse> before you go, do you think its worth just reinstalling, but using 7.04?
[18:06] <ShackJack> tim1: If you mean the Restricted Drivers menu - it does not show up there....
[18:06] <Harold> Pelo, eh i just found a "restore defaults" button and that worked for me :)
[18:06] <unstable> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ .. I followed these instructions, except for Hardy, and I didn't burn the disc and boot the livecd, I just mount -o loop hardy.iso /hardy, and followed the instructions from there. When I boot my usb thumb drive, I get the grub menu, and I can even boot memtest from it, but when I try to boot ubuntu, it says "vmlinuz" in a dialog like box.
[18:07] <tim1> ShackJack: Ok. What happens if you open the restricted drivers menu from the console? My brother got an error printed. I think something like modinfo: module not found.
[18:07] <ShackJack> tim1: I don't believe it's an xorg.conf issue as that has not been changed and is indicating the proper driver... It is most certainly a software/driver issue/conflict
[18:08] <tim1> ShackJack: Yes, you're right. I thought it was showing up in this restricted drivers menu so I thought it
[18:08] <tim1> ShackJack: s/it/has something to do with the xorg.conf/
[18:08] <Keithabuse> ikonia, re-installing to 7.04 worth a try?
[18:10] <ShackJack> tim1: It does say it cannot find module fglrx along with nvidia_new and could others... And what kind of name is jockey-gtk for the Restricted Drivers Mgr? :P
[18:10] <ShackJack> tim1: It is unlikely the xorg.conf... You tell xorg.conf what driver to load and that's about it nothing exotic there...
[18:11] <tim1> ShackJack: Oh yeah, that was exactly the same problem my brother had.
[18:11] <trappist> ok /etc/postgresql is definitely missing.  anybody know what happened to the packages?
[18:11] <ShackJack> tim1: And how did he correct it?
[18:11] <tim1> ShackJack: What we did was downloading the installer from the AMD site and used it do overwrite all files.
[18:12] <tim1> ShackJack: Reinstalling the fglrx package didn't work so we installed the fglrx driver from the website as instructed in the wiki.
[18:12] <ShackJack> Ahh... prolly just recompiled new driver for latest kernel then... There's some kind of mismatch with kernel -16 and fglrx... I do see a curious fglrx-amdccle 'Dummy package for easy transition".. Transition to what... hmmm...
[18:13] <ShackJack> tim1: Well, maybe I'll do that or just wait a bit longer for Ubuntu to get their packages sorted out, as it seems clearly to be a packaging issue... Thanks for the help..
[18:15] <tim1> ShackJack: No problem. Some days ago he reinstalled Ubuntu completely with the daily snapshot alternate CD. This one worked perfectly and he didn't need to download the ATI drivers from the website.
[18:16] <ShackJack> tim1: Hmmpf then mine *should* be working... Ah well, guess I can wait a little longer. I miss my eye-candy!
[18:16] <ShackJack> !fglrx-control
[18:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fglrx-control - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:17] <tim1> ShackJack: Hehe. On this machine (running Hardy Heron) I have some problems with the current X.org Intel driver (no direct rendering available).
[18:18] <tim1> ShackJack: Attaching a second monitor using xrandr would be cool but currently it's not working here.
[18:18] <ShackJack> Yeah, I had gnome dameon and other issues with Fesity/Hardy upgrade and (somewhat sadley) a fresh install of Hardy took care of those (hate to resort to that, but dead easy with partitioned /home)
[18:20] <tim1> ShackJack: Yep. My brother reinstalled Ubuntu 4 times. He always had to move his home directory. Now he has /home on an other partition.
[18:20] <ShackJack> I've installed fglrx-control but can't figure out how to run it... Anyone know... looks on google - but commands given don't work - anyone know?
[18:21] <tim1> ShackJack: Don't know. Have you tried fglrx <tab>?
[18:21] <ShackJack> tim1: Of course :P  I've seen firegl, etc.. but they don't work..
[18:23] <ShackJack> fglrx-control is a QT graphic app, you'd think it'd show up somewhere in the menu or control panel :( (or be able to be launched by the package name(!))
[18:25] <tim1> ShackJack: Hehe. I think it's called amdcccle.
[18:25] <tim1> ShackJack: That's what this page says: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/fglrx-control/filelist
[18:26] <ShackJack> tim1: Well whadaya know - makes perfect sense :)
[18:26] <ShackJack> tim1: Thanks was looking at the wrong page
[18:26] <tim1> ShackJack: I searched for "fglrx-control ubuntu" on Google. :)
[18:29] <ShackJack> tim1: O.K. I'll stop fiddling now and wait to the package-maintaining gods to fix it :)
[18:29] <ShackJack> (man QT is ugly under GNOME)
[18:30] <tim1> ShackJack: Heh, that's why I don't use Qt applications at all here. I'm mainly using the console but there are some applications which haven't been ported yet. :(
[18:31] <tim1> ShackJack: A PDF viewer for the console would be great. :D
[18:31] <hydrogen> the solution is to not use gnome
[18:32] <hydrogen> not the other way around
[18:32] <tim1> hydrogen: I'm not using GNOME. :P
[18:33] <tim1> hydrogen: I'm using Wmii, the best tiling manager ever. :)
[18:33] <hydrogen> thats not saying much
[18:34] <tim1> hydrogen: Why?
[18:34] <orvokki> Hmm. VLC just crashed on me. :(
[18:34] <XceII> Everything works fine, until I load amarok, when playing amarok, no other apps can share sound, is this normal, or is the a fix?, thanks
[18:35] <orvokki> I would be ready to blame PulseAudio for both of our problems...
[18:36] <XceII> It does it no matter what sound i use, alsa or what ever.
[18:36] <orvokki> Sure. You can't escape PulseAudio by just choosing ALSA:
[18:36] <orvokki> s/:/./
[18:36] <XceII> orly?
[18:36] <trappist> my locales is all screwed up.  almost anything I do throws errors about locales, LANG, etc., but all the environment variables look right.  any ideas?
[18:37] <XceII> I have a feeling it is the (amarok) kde app.
[18:37] <XceII> everythine else works
[18:37] <XceII> and works flawlessly
[18:38] <m1r> i instaled ubuntu CLI to laptop over pxe (no cdrom , no floppy,non bootable usb slot).now i wanted go install ubuntu-desktop , but i noticed my whole apt sources point to my local server. how can i reconfigure it to fetch archive from online repository wihtout manually changing each line ?
[18:38] <blekos> hello, can anybody verify that the problem with the wireless card using ipwl has been solved?
[18:40] <tim1> blekos: I have a different problem with my wireless card but using b43. It fails when searching for wireless networks (iwlist scan).
[18:41] <blekos> it seems like hardy is not yet ready
[18:41] <af_> hi, there is a way to boot a raid1 server in degraded mode (one disk failed, for example)?
[18:41] <jbroome> blekos: that's why it's still in beta.
[18:41] <af_> I mean, unattended
[18:41] <blekos> yes, but is out in 8 days or so
[18:42] <blekos> wireless not working is quite a prob
[18:42] <Tuv0k> your wireless not working
[18:42] <Tuv0k> not wireless not working per se
[18:42] <jbroome> submit a bug report.  or check and see if it's a known problem
[18:42] <tim1> blekos: I've read on Launchpad, the problems will be gone as soon as the new kernel has arrived. Mh, I've installed the most current kernel - no way, iwlist scan doesn't find any networks here. The problem is known but the only fix was to recompile the kernel with a patch-file.
[18:42] <Tuv0k> people who checked their hardware first are doing just fine
[18:42] <blekos> it is a known problem
[18:42] <Tuv0k> !hardware
[18:43] <m1r> how can i update my source.list to defaults ?
[18:43] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[18:43] <acuster> hey all, are there nighly cd images? we're having an issue with grub in the beta 64 image
[18:43] <Tuv0k> !repos
[18:43] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:43] <jbroome> !nightly | acuster
[18:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nightly - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:43] <jbroome> !daily | acuster
[18:43] <ubotu> acuster: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:43] <blekos> the probl.  is that the have moved from the prop. ipw to ipwl
[18:43] <acuster> thanks
[18:44] <Tuv0k> m1r, you could copy the source.list from the install cd, or you could use google to find a hady source.list
[18:44] <Tuv0k> m1r, or you could use an old gutsy source.list and change all "gutsy" words with hardy
[18:45] <tim1> Tuv0k: I have a GNU/Linux laptop but I also have problems with my WLAN and modem device. Everything else is working alright.
[18:45] <tim1> Tuv0k: Yep, that's what I did when I upgraded to Hardy.
[18:45] <Tuv0k> my wireless is fine, but I use a linux compatible wifi usb nic
[18:46] <Tuv0k> !wireless
[18:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:46] <blekos> tuvok, thnx 4 all the infos
[18:46] <blekos> but as i mentioned before it is a known bug
[18:46] <Tuv0k> http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[18:47] <m1r> Tuv0k: laptop i am working on has only CLI and network conection , how would be posible to add somthing to it ?
[18:47] <Tuv0k> by using the cli?
[18:47] <blekos> i'm just looking if someone having the intel 3845abg managed it to work
[18:47] <Tuv0k> you chose to run cli, and you don't know how to work in cli?
[18:47] <m1r> Tuv0k: but from where i get to copy files :(
[18:47] <Tuv0k> the install cdrom?
[18:47] <Tuv0k> the web
[18:47] <Tuv0k> !google
[18:47] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[18:48] <Tuv0k> blekos, whats the bug #?
[18:48] <nDuff> Are Ubuntu packages for newer/nightly FF3 builds available somewhere? I'm hitting a crash issue triggered by Firebug on FF3b5 but fixed in newer releases on a very regular basis.
[18:48] <trappist> ok anything I do as my mortal user has very screwed up locales, but root doesn't have the problem.  any ideas why?
[18:48] <m1r> Tuv0k: machine dont have cdrom, usb not working , no flopy, and from cd i instaled , just didnt want to finish instaltion with ubuntu-desktop
[18:48] <jbroome> nDuff: i don't think there's anything newer than b5
[18:48] <tim1> m1r: What are you trying to do? Modifying the sources.list?
[18:48] <Tuv0k> yeah tim1
[18:48] <m1r> tim1: get original
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: The Hardy sources.list?
[18:49] <m1r> es
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: I could send you mine.
[18:49] <m1r> yes
[18:49] <tim1> m1r: Ok, wait.
[18:49] <Tuv0k> m1r, how about you download the iso or google as I said above to obtain the original source.list, then ssh it to your box?
[18:49] <Tuv0k> is that understandable?
[18:49] <m1r> ssh also didnt want to install over PXE
[18:49] <Tuv0k> yikes
[18:49] <Tuv0k> ftp?
[18:49] <m1r> PXE
[18:50] <Tuv0k> you need another method to alter files on that box no?
[18:50] <Vadi> I need some help - I'm trying to install 8.04, already deleted 7.10, and 8.04 partitioner is failing badly to do it's job right. It keeps failing, and I've already tried every single option (guided, all drive, manual...). It simply says "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed." and that's it.
[18:50] <Tuv0k> deleted?
[18:50] <Tuv0k> uh boy
[18:51] <Tuv0k> Vadi, format and do it right this time?
[18:51] <m1r> Tuv0k: any option for network
[18:51] <tim1> http://pastebin.ca/987629
[18:51] <Vadi> Yes, because the keyboard in there broke _completely_. As in not responsive at all.
[18:51] <blekos> tuvok: i'm trying to find the "exact" bug
[18:51] <Tuv0k> take your time
[18:51] <tim1> m1r: This is the list for the German servers, you need to replace all .de to .es to get the English version as far I know.
[18:51] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: I already formatted with gparted. When I check after the installer fails, it makes an extended partition with swap in it each time.
[18:52] <Tuv0k> m1r, your going to need to take a trip to the box me thinks
[18:52] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: Can I manually format whatever the installer needs?
[18:52] <blekos> ok here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/204709
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204709 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "[iwl3945] Intel 3945ABG wireless card stops working on Hardy upgrade (dup-of: 183968)" [High,Confirmed]
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released]
[18:52] <m1r> yes Tuv0k, but i dont have any comunication there
[18:52] <m1r> and cant install irssi
[18:52] <m1r> :/
[18:52] <tim1> m1r: Use WeeChat. :)
[18:53] <m1r> tim1: no sources.list, cant install anything
[18:53] <Tuv0k> m1r, all you need to do is make sure the box is setup correctly, then remote administer it?
[18:53] <tim1> I uploaded it to pastebin.ca
[18:53] <Tuv0k> Vadi, I don't know what your ability level is, so I can't say
[18:53] <tim1> m1r: [19:51:38]         tim1 | http://pastebin.ca/987629
[18:54] <m1r> tnx tim1 i check that , i go get laptop and try fetch irrsi and some other packages from local repo :(
[18:54] <m1r> tnx Tuv0k
[18:54] <m1r> brb
[18:54] <Tuv0k> np
[18:54] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: Well, I am proficient as screwing things over with gparted. What partitions do I need to make, do you know?
[18:54] <Tuv0k> Vadi, you need to start from scratch
[18:55] <Tuv0k> !upgrade | Vadi
[18:55] <ubotu> Vadi: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:55] <Tuv0k> chalk it up as a learning experience
[18:55] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: I don't have Ubuntu installed atm.
[18:55] <blekos> tuvok, did u manage to have a look?
[18:55] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: It's gone, poof. I formatted the drive already
[18:55] <Tuv0k> I missed it
[18:56] <Tuv0k> Vadi, ok so reinstall
[18:56] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: That's what I'm trying to do...
[18:56] <Vadi> ﻿Tuv0k: The installer is failing to install on a blank drive.
[18:56] <Tuv0k> I don't need a play by play;)
[18:56] <Tuv0k> thats not good
[18:56] <Tuv0k> failing how?
[18:56] <Vadi> It says "﻿"The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed."" and brings me back to the patritioning menu.
[18:57] <Tuv0k> Bug #183968 | blekos
[18:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183968
[18:58] <Tuv0k> blekos, seems to have been a fix released
[18:58] <Tuv0k> I'd follow that bug report, not the duplicates
[18:58] <Tuv0k> looks like Hardy is ready as far as that issue is concerned
[18:59] <Tuv0k> will it be perfection, course not
[19:00] <blekos> since i am a newbie and use my lap for business, does the fix release it's a plug and play fix (installed with the hardy)?
[19:00] <Tuv0k> blekos, ususally a fix release means that it will be pushed via updates
[19:01] <blekos> ok then
[19:01] <blekos> i think i'll give it a shot ;)
[19:01] <Tuv0k> blekos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/183968
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183968 in udev "mac80211 "master" interface matches existant persistent network rules" [Critical,Fix released]
[19:02] <Tuv0k> last guy that posted 4/12/08 said he was doing fine
[19:02] <heartsblood> my xerver just crashed.
[19:02] <heartsblood> ...hard
[19:02] <Tuv0k> cool :-P
[19:02] <Tuv0k> what were you doing?
[19:02] <heartsblood> trying to play something in mplayer
[19:03] <Tuv0k> mplayer has been pissing me off lately
[19:04] <m1r> Tuv0k , tim1 , tnx guys, i installed openssh from local repo and now i can install desktop i hope with new sources.list
[19:04] <Tuv0k> np
[19:04] <Tuv0k> always get that ssh going
[19:04] <Tuv0k> if you can
[19:05] <Tuv0k> makes things a lot easier
[19:05] <m1r> yes, i was shocked as it didnt want install on inital instalation from local repo
[19:05] <m1r> tryed like 10 times
[19:05] <heartsblood> actually, I was trying to play something in mplayer, system locked up, then I switched to a (alt-f1; Is it called, tty term?), then switched back to the xserver (alt-f7) and all I have a pretty black screen that prints ^[^H every time I hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[19:05] <nDuff> ...ahh, much better; evidently an issue with the FF3b5 release, as using the current nightly fixes firebug.
[19:06] <canhas> heartsblood: you install on an external drive?
[19:06] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, that sounds like a bug with video drivers or framed buffers
[19:06] <heartsblood> canhas: nope, old ide 80gb
[19:07] <heartsblood> smart says the drives fine though :x
[19:07] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, used to have that issue with my nvidia enabled box and fb, but I fixed it
[19:07] <heartsblood> Tuv0k: fb?
[19:07] <Tuv0k> frame buffer
[19:07] <canhas> heartsblood: well, you can sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, startx, from tty1, but that's a temp fix.
[19:07] <heartsblood> Tuv0k: I know what it stands for, how is it broken you think?
[19:07] <Tuv0k> oh soryy
[19:07] <heartsblood> no offense
[19:08] <Tuv0k> I don't know, I was just saying, something to look for as a known issue
[19:08] <heartsblood> Just curious though, I have the latest nonfree nvidia drivers in the hardy apt source.  Think the driver is bad?
[19:08] <Tuv0k> generally something like that, I google the behavior to see if I'm the only one
[19:08] <Tuv0k> then if I find similar bugs I hunt them donw
[19:08] <Tuv0k> down
[19:08] <heartsblood> what about this
[19:09] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, because of similar experiences I always now prefer to use nvidia drivers straight from nvidia, using their install script
[19:09] <Tuv0k> and compile them on my box
[19:09] <Tuv0k> no issues since
[19:09] <Tuv0k> not saying you have to
[19:09] <Tuv0k> but thats my mo
[19:09] <heartsblood> see that's what I use to do in debian and I never had trouble, but I was told that was a bad idea when I switched to ubuntu
[19:09] <canhas> Er, Hardy's installer works pretty good actualy.
[19:10] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, go with your instinct
[19:10] <canhas> you can compile yourself, you'll just also have to either edit xorg.conf or run nvidia's config program, which i don't trust
[19:10] <Tuv0k> I don't listen to the mantra in ubuntu, I just use ubuntu
[19:10] <canhas> !worksforme | Tuv0k
[19:10] <ubotu> Tuv0k: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[19:10] <heartsblood> Canhas: what's wrong with the config program?  Just some xorg.conf editing right?  Nothing I havn't done before
[19:10] <heartsblood> "nv" "nvdia" etc
[19:11] <Tuv0k> !manners | canhas
[19:11] <ubotu> canhas: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:11] <Tuv0k> I know dude
[19:11] <canhas> Tuv0k: just playing mate :P
[19:11] <heartsblood> that time of the month boys?
[19:11] <Tuv0k> I'm having a one on one with a debian user, I think he gets it , mate;-P
[19:11] <heartsblood> :)
[19:11] <tim1> Ok. I'm leaving. I really enjoyed talking to you. Goodbye. :)
[19:11] <LucidFox> I have just upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy
[19:11] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, my left ball does hurt right now, weird
[19:11] <LucidFox> and nautilus doesn't start
[19:11] <heartsblood> lol
[19:11] <canhas> heartsblood: in theory nothing, but the current version of xorg is a little shaky with things like aticonfig and nvidia-config or whatever it's called
[19:12] <LucidFox> nautilus: symbol lookup error: nautilus: undefined symbol: eel_art_irect_empty
[19:12] <Tuv0k> :-P
[19:12] <heartsblood> I never remember nvidia-config working.  I always hand edited xfree
[19:13] <Tuv0k> nvidia-xconfig works for me, I just don't like the way it leaves the xorg.conf
[19:13] <heartsblood> aye
[19:13] <LucidFox> any ideas at all?
[19:13] <heartsblood> maybe that's why I didn't like it
[19:13] <heartsblood> havn't used it in awhile ><
[19:13] <heartsblood> time to go fetch some new drivers.
[19:13] <Tuv0k> LucidFox, nuke the gnome2 folder? in home?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> restart gnome
[19:14] <LucidFox> how would that help, if it's an undefined symbol in the executable itself?
[19:14] <^Ocean^> Okay,  So i upgraded too Hardy,  and every thing seem too go okay, but I have too issues, issue A)  The new kernel will not boot on my computer  it just hangs at Loading Hardware Drivers.   And issue B) is when I log into gnome,  it starts too log in,  then resets X and brings me back too the log in prompt,  but loading Gnome-failsafe works
[19:14] <canhas> ^Ocean^: you have an ATI card don't you?
[19:14] <canhas> ^Ocean^: or an acer laptop
[19:14] <^Ocean^> nope
[19:14] <^Ocean^> Nvidia
[19:14] <canhas> no acer laptop either?
[19:15] <^Ocean^> and its a Desktop no laptop
[19:15] <Keithabuse> ^Ocean^, it happens alot to me too, I think you have to wait for the new nvidia packages.
[19:15] <canhas> Hm, ok then nevermidn :P
[19:15] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, use the nvidia drivers from Nvidia
[19:15] <WGGMk> Anyone have a crazy usplash screen going on when they are shutting down, logging off, suspending???
[19:15] <Keithabuse> each new kernel requires alot of new packages.
[19:15] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, I am
[19:15] <Tuv0k> ouch!
[19:15] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, thats why I removed usplash
[19:16] <Tuv0k> I rather see the boot up and shutdown scripts anyway
[19:16] <Tuv0k> but yes
[19:16] <^Ocean^> Now I rmember that i had this problem once before when i first was  getting compiz running, and i remember there was somthing i had too append too the xorg.conf or a command some were i had too type to get compiz and nvidia too play with each other
[19:16] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: lol, it works fine booting up (im referring to just the default usplash screen btw) just when shutting down and stuff it goes crazy
[19:16] <AaronMT> Yeah its a little weird having a usplash on shutdown
[19:16] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, try a different kernel, and or remove the vga=XXX from the kernel line
[19:17] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k: Well the kernel worked just fine before the upgrade,  and the kernel that comes with the upgrade, wont boot my system
[19:17] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, my experience has been the usplash stuff is always funky during pre-release
[19:17] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, thats why I'd install differnt kernel version from the repos
[19:17] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: ive pieced it directly relating to the nvidia drivers.. it would be completely fine and work flawlessly untill I installed the nvidia drivers..
[19:18] <Tuv0k> the latest kernel is not always functional for me
[19:18] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, well I tryed 4 diff kernel versions that all used too work,  with no avail
[19:18] <Tuv0k> I have had more than one issue using the latest kernel
[19:18] <canhas> ^Ocean^: that sounds like an update problem rather then a specific kernel error
[19:18] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: is there a way to just not use usplash on shutdown, log off, and suspend?
[19:18] <Tuv0k> sometimes the server kernel works and the generic does not for me
[19:18] <Tuv0k> its weird
[19:19] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, I don't know, thats why I just purged it completly
[19:19] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, that sounds bad
[19:19] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: hehe, thanks for letting me know im not alone =)
[19:19] <^Ocean^> canhas, yeah,  I remember there is somthing I needed too modify in the xorg.conf file...  but i dont remember what it was
[19:20] <Tuv0k> ^Ocean^, have you recompiled that nvidia driver since the update?
[19:20] <^Ocean^> Tuv0k, Yup
[19:20] <Tuv0k> hmm
[19:21] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, on both my boxes I nuked usplash, your not alone
[19:21] <WGGMk> such a sexy lil usplash theme i got too.. ill miss it..
[19:21] <Tuv0k> WGGMk, you could try startupmanager to manipulate the eye candy during the start/shutdown process
[19:21] <WGGMk> Tuv0k: been there
[19:21] <Tuv0k> ha
[19:21] <canhas> ^Ocean^: what's the error X gives you when it crashes?
[19:22] <^Ocean^> canhas, Good question
[19:22] <canhas> ^Ocean^: it should really say
[19:23] <^Ocean^> hmm, well i just tryed somthing  let me reset and check the logs
[19:24] <heartsblood> what's the ubuntu pacakge name that contains the nvidia non-free driver? nvidia-glx?
[19:25] <Tuv0k> !nvidia
[19:25] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:25] <Tuv0k> heartsblood, don't remember
[19:25] <Tuv0k> I always just apt-cache search nvida
[19:25] <Tuv0k> or search synaptic
[19:26] <Tuv0k> the name has changed so much, I can never keep up
[19:26] <heartsblood> synaptic is the apt gui right?
[19:26] <Tuv0k> yup
[19:26] <Tuv0k> one of the, the best imo
[19:26] <Tuv0k> !packages
[19:26] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[19:27] <Tuv0k> !Synaptic
[19:27] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[19:27] <LucidFox> never mind, problem solved :)
[19:27] <Tuv0k> good
[19:28] <Tuv0k> what'd you do?
[19:28] <Tuv0k> thx
[19:28] <ghaleb> hello, i have upgraded my system to Hadry Heron, but a bug comes up, my keyboard stop writing while the system is functionally normally , I 'm using HP laptop
[19:28] <AaronMT> ugh whats with video playback flickering like mad when compiz is enabled
[19:29] <Vadi> ﻿AaronMT: There is an option in CCSM to have a fix for that, I believe
[19:30] <AaronMT> What would it be called any idea?
[19:31] <Vadi> ﻿AaronMT: I don't remember, and can't check right now. Try looking in the utilities section
[19:33] <AaronMT> Ah I found a fix in VLC for it, change output model to X11
[19:34] <^Ocean^> okay, so i got my video drivers working again,  but now when I log in, there is no window Manager running
[19:35] <^Ocean^> I can manual run metacity --replace  but it kills all the Eye Candy from glz
[19:35] <^Ocean^> glx
[19:40] <KEB1> ive a question: why i need a password to chek the new updates? and i have the feeling, if a press cancel "he" load the files new again
[19:40] <Tuv0k> rephrase please?
[19:40] <Tuv0k> -!root
[19:40] <Tuv0k> !root
[19:40] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:41] <Tuv0k> !sudo
[19:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[19:42] <Pici> KEB1: Because you wouldnt want a user who didnt have sudo privleges to be updating packages.
[19:43] <KEB1> Pici: yes only root shoul update it
[19:43] <Tuv0k> Pici, what in the world is "he"?
[19:43] <Pici> he?
[19:43] <Tuv0k> from the question
[19:44] <KEB1> snyaptic, apt,get, aptitiude usw
[19:44] <Tuv0k> I could not understand what it was asking?
[19:44] <Pici> Tuv0k: I have no idea, my brain just skipped over it.
[19:44] <KEB1> ah, it doensnt matter really,
[19:44] <Tuv0k> oh, sorry, I thought you spoke the language
[19:44] <KEB1> have to go now, cya
[19:44] <Tuv0k> ciao
[19:44] <KEB1> Tuv0k? what? i cant follow you
[19:45] <Tuv0k> dude
[19:45] <Tuv0k> one to beam up
[19:45] <Tuv0k> energize!
[19:45] <canhas> I'm bashing that.
[19:46] <Tuv0k> energize*
[19:46] <Tuv0k> did it again!
[19:51] <talntid> How do I exit the Xserver back to a terminal? I need to completely shut down xserver...
[19:51] <x1250> CTRL+ALT+BCK_SPACE
[19:51] <x1250> when on gdm
[19:52] <talntid> doesn't that just re-load the window?
[19:52] <Keithabuse> ikonia, you back yet?
[19:52] <x1250> it loads gdm, but if you insist, then it doesn't
[19:56] <v0lksman> or you can CTRL+ALT+F2 and it will bring you to a CLI
[19:58] <canhas> CTRL+ALT+f2, and then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop , to shut down gdm
[19:58] <_Rambaldi_> what is the ls option to list by file types
[19:59] <blekos> tuvok seems like you were right. I installed hardy heron and my wireless seems to work just fine. I am downloading the upgrades now ;)
[19:59] <Tuv0k> _Rambaldi_, you need way more details
[20:00] <Tuv0k> blekos, glad to hear it!
[20:00] <blekos> however my resolutions seems quite bad now nad cannot changed it yet. I'll try after the updates
[20:00] <_Rambaldi_> i want to ls files in a folder by type of file
[20:00] <blekos> maybe i'llhave 2 bother you again :p
[20:00] <Tuv0k> please do:)
[20:00] <hischild> _Rambaldi_, perhaps man ls?
[20:00] <Tuv0k> _Rambaldi_, man ls
[20:01] <Tuv0k> hischild, :)
[20:01] <hischild> Tuv0k, beat ya to it :p
[20:01] <Tuv0k> ha
[20:01] <_Rambaldi_> i am looking through now but nothign there
[20:01] <hischild> _Rambaldi_, what i'm wondering about is what you want to list it by. Linux doesn't really use file types
[20:02] <Tuv0k> its totally there
[20:03] <canhas> hischild: maybe he means extensions
[20:04] <Tuv0k> --file-type  likewise, except do not append `*'
[20:04] <Tuv0k> from the manpage
[20:04] <hischild> canhas, i know. that's why i said that ubuntu doesn't use it. It only uses file types which are defined by the file's content
[20:04] <Tuv0k> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ls
[20:05] <Tuv0k> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ls
[20:06] <Tuv0k> ctrl-f and serach 'type'
[20:06] <Tuv0k> !google
[20:06] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[20:14] <hwilde> why is dd running, and why is it taking up 40% of my cpu ?
[20:14] <smallfoot-> eek
[20:15] <smallfoot-> dd is creepy, dont mess with it, if you dont know what it is
[20:15] <hwilde> but it's bogging down my system
[20:15] <hwilde> wtf is it even running
[20:15] <smallfoot-> dd shouldnt be running
[20:15] <smallfoot-> you're not making an ISO or something?
[20:15] <hwilde> no I just booted up
[20:15] <Flannel> hwilde: whats the command that its doing?
[20:15] <hwilde> I can't do anything it's so sloq
[20:15] <smallfoot-> oh, very strange...
[20:16] <smallfoot-> does it say what command it is running, like 'dd -f sdf asd'
[20:16] <smallfoot-> or it just say 'dd' ?
[20:16] <Flannel> hwilde: ps aux | grep dd
[20:16] <hwilde> /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:16] <hwilde> load average 4.74 wow
[20:16] <smallfoot-> if reads /proc/kmsg and writes it to /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:17] <hwilde> what is this kmsg
[20:17] <hwilde> 59% cpu now :/
[20:17] <smallfoot-> should be some messages, from the kernel, i think
[20:18] <smallfoot-> root      5046  0.0  0.0   1872   536 ?        S    14:52   0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:18] <smallfoot-> i have this in my system too
[20:18] <smallfoot-> so its normal
[20:18] <smallfoot-> but it shouldnt eat all cpu
[20:18] <smallfoot-> for me, it eats none
[20:18] <hwilde> oh i see..  it's scrolling pci errors in kmsg
[20:18] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:19] <askand> I decided to upgrade from gutsy and when the update-manager had fetched about half of the files, my internet broke..how can I continue the upgradeprocess as painless as possible? I think I have to reboot..
[20:19] <smallfoot-> mine looks rather quiet
[20:19] <hwilde> eth2: PCI error 0x800000
[20:19] <smallfoot-> askand, dont know
[20:19] <mvo> askand: if you just run "update-manager -d" again, all should be fine
[20:19] <smallfoot-> eth2 is network ethernet card #3, i think
[20:20] <mvo> askand: quit the current running release-upgrader of course first :)
[20:20] <smallfoot-> you have 3 network cards?
[20:20] <askand> ﻿mvo: oyea :) I will try thanks :)
[20:20] <mvo> askand: the already downloaded stuff will not be redownloaded
[20:20] <hwilde> yes, I have three network cards
[20:20] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:20] <hwilde> is that out of scope for the ubuntu project :p
[20:20] <smallfoot-> no, 3 should work, it shoudlnt be a problem
[20:21] <hwilde> ahhh the network manager
[20:21] <hwilde> I hate that thing!
[20:21] <hwilde> now it's ok
[20:21] <smallfoot-> oh
[20:21] <smallfoot-> strange
[20:22] <hwilde> I guess it's no longer trying to mess with eth2
[20:22] <smallfoot-> ya
[20:22] <smallfoot-> maybe eth2 is broken? idk... if it only mess with that, and not eth0 and eth1
[20:22] <smallfoot-> i think you can see the error messages, if you look in /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[20:22] <hwilde> eth2: PCI error 0x800000
[20:22] <smallfoot-> it repeats that alot?
[20:23] <hwilde> uhh 59% of my cpu worth
[20:23] <smallfoot-> hehe
[20:23] <smallfoot-> i guess it like floods that error all the time?
[20:23]  * hwilde stares at smallfoot- 
[20:23] <smallfoot-> im not sure exactly what that error means, but you could try to google it
[20:24] <smallfoot-> or if get the problem again, you could try without the network card, or with another one, maybe its damaged (ESD static discharge or something)
[20:28] <linkinxp> hello guys where i can find a little tool with graphical Upload and Download information?
[20:36] <wolf4914> Does anyone have nvidia drivers working in dual head ?
[20:37] <hwilde> yep
[20:37] <LiraNuna> yes
[20:37] <LiraNuna> use nvidia-settings
[20:37] <LiraNuna> works like a charm
[20:38] <wolf4914> hmm _ I have low graphics mode after update
[20:38] <wolf4914> log says could not find the module
[20:38] <LiraNuna> works here, weird
[20:38] <hwilde> what module?
[20:39]  * icanhasa poke icanhasa
[20:40] <wolf4914> EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[20:40] <wolf4914> In restricted drivers it says drivers in use
[20:40] <LiraNuna> try reinstalling ?
[20:41] <LiraNuna> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[20:41] <wolf4914> reinstalling the system?
[20:41] <orvokki> LiraNuna: Why nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new?
[20:41] <LiraNuna> orvokki, depends on his card etc
[20:41] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx has ancient drivers.
[20:41] <wolf4914> I have it all installed - I even tried beta drivers 178.08
[20:41] <joker2048_> !pastie Hi!
[20:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastie hi! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <wolf4914> I have 6600
[20:42] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx-new should be fine with it.
[20:42] <cpk1> i have a 6600 using new just fine
[20:42] <orvokki> I have it too.
[20:42] <wolf4914> right - and it did work fine before update lolz
[20:42] <icanhasa> Why in the world does the bluetooth module automatically install and automatically load with boot in hardy?
[20:43] <cpk1> for all those idiot businessmen who were only able to get a business degree
[20:43] <icanhasa> wolf4914: what exactly is the problem?
[20:43] <wolf4914> nvidia drivers will not load
[20:43] <wolf4914> for some reason
[20:43] <joker2048_> hey all, i want to compile openvz into my existing HardyHeron beta. During compiling the kernel the following error comes up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63457/
[20:43] <orvokki> wolf4914: Do you have restricted drivers for your kernel installed?
[20:43] <wolf4914> yes
[20:43] <x1250> cpk1: "ease of use", I prefer debian's way though. You want it, you install it.
[20:44] <orvokki> Does lsmod|grep nvidia display the module?
[20:44] <cpk1> I like that way better too =\
[20:44] <x1250> when I installed hardy I did a massive cleanup
[20:44] <wolf4914> with API mismatch yes
[20:44] <orvokki> Sorry, what?
[20:45] <topyli> icanhasa: i suppose the bluetooth module is loaded so that our bluetooth devices would work :)
[20:45] <muszek> hi... I dist-upgraded to hardy on my new VPS.  I did it from a minimal (~100MB) image of gutsy... and the problem is that ssh doesn't start on boot... how do I fix that?
[20:45] <muszek> I mean I installed Ubuntu  from that image and then dist-upgraded
[20:46] <icanhasa> topyli: seriously, what percentage of people use bluetooth devices by defauly?
[20:46] <negge> anyone else having problems burning DVDs in hardy?
[20:46] <jbroome> muszek: is it installed?
[20:47] <negge> didn't work with Nero, not with Brasero and not with Imgburn from inside my virtual XP machine
[20:47] <joker2048_> any idea regarding my openvz thing?
[20:47] <topyli> icanhasa: 100% of topylies do, i don't have reliable statistics of all users
[20:47] <x1250> muszek: I guess you need to # update-rc.d sshd defaults
[20:47] <x1250> or ssh, I don't remember right now
[20:48] <icanhasa> topyli: I see. touche :D
[20:48] <muszek> jbroome: yeah, I need to log in to that VPS web-based control panel, fire up console from there and start ssh manually (/etc/init.d/ssh start)
[20:48] <x1250> it shouldn't be necessary though, unless ubuntu guys had make that bad call.
[20:48] <topyli> icanhasa: lots of people have phones though, that's quite a few users right there
[20:49] <akio> ok
[20:49] <akio> where can i find all the major differences between gutsy and hardy?
[20:49] <akio> like a listing of the freezes and major features and stuff
[20:49] <bews1> Is there a way to download and install just the latest packages from the beta instead of downloading a beta CD that's already outdated and installing from that?
[20:49] <muszek> x1250: muszek@alpha:/etc$ update-rc.d ssh defaults
[20:49] <muszek>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist.
[20:49] <icanhasa> topyli: I understand installation. but to load that module on every boot automatically is just a waste of memory. really.
[20:50] <akio> almost like a distrowatch version lineup
[20:50] <icanhasa> bews1: You can download a nightly/daily build of hardy.
[20:50] <x1250> muszek: something on daemons.log?
[20:50] <topyli> icanhasa: yeah it has to be at least two kilobytes!
[20:50] <bews1> icanhasa: I did that yesterday, and it ended up referencing different repos from the beta!
[20:50] <jbroome> if you're that low on ram, then damn
[20:50] <x1250> daemon.log, maybe it says something
[20:50] <icanhasa> bews1: never ran into that. sorry :/
[20:51] <akio> bews1: you can download the alternate cd and install from text mode
[20:51] <bews1> akio: sure.  That doesn't make the packages any more up-to-date
[20:51] <akio> it only installs a very base system, then you can upgrade from servers
[20:51] <bews1> In fact, I always use the alternate
[20:51] <bews1> Oh, I see.
[20:51] <kona> Hi All - Is the installing Hardy Heron on a Dell that I already partitioned - At partioning screen - not sure which is best choice - This will be a dual boot w/M$oft - there is 28GB's free for the Hardy Heron install - Which option would be best to choose?
[20:52] <muszek> x1250: http://pastebin.us/?show=m7dd485b6 (grepped for ssh - didn't get any  lines)
[20:52] <bews1> Thanks; I want a default installation, so I'll just use the beta CD and live with the wait
[20:52] <x1250> I heard there was a minimal ubuntu install image, something like netinstall on debian, is that true?
[20:52] <bews1> x1250: yes, but it
[20:52] <bews1> is broken for Hardy!
[20:52] <x1250> :)
[20:53] <x1250> I would prefer that kind of installation, its much better for me
[20:53] <kona> Shouldv I use "Guided - Use largest continious free space" ?
[20:53] <bews1> x1250: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/217069
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217069 in ubuntu "minimal install cd checksum failure" [Undecided,New]
[20:53] <akio> i used it
[20:54] <akio> its broken as it can only install lilo, and the gnome packages are broken
[20:54] <bews1> akio: is the checksum embedded in the CD or downloaded as part of the process?
[20:54] <jbroome> kona: basic installation and partitioning questions are better answered in #ubuntu
[20:54] <bews1> Oh, that's bad.  I need grub
[20:54] <akio> the checksum sorta "is" the cd
[20:54] <x1250> muszek: take a look to the init.d/ssh script and see what is doing
[20:55] <davisc> I'm having a problem I'm finding very difficult to diagnose. 2.6.24-12 worked fine, but 2.6.24-15 and -16 hang at the Ubuntu graphic for about 3 minutes and then the screen goes black. I can SSH into it but nothing seems wrong - it just won't boot >:-(
[20:55] <akio> but i used the amd64 version
[20:55] <bews1> akio: if the checksum gets downloaded, the problem might've gone away
[20:55] <akio> the cd works
[20:55] <akio> mostly
[20:55] <akio> it definitely aint for the faint-hearted
[20:56] <kona> jbroo_e: Wasn't sure - have asked a few questions in that channel and was told to come over to this one - because it is Hardy Heron...
[20:56] <muszek> x1250: I don't understand where are you going with this... manually doing '/etc/init.d/ssh start' works
[20:56] <jbroome> kona: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot?action=show&redirect=WindowsDualBootHowTo#head-0baa8f105578b2a8d17b00ee1d5534475cc1c868
[20:56] <muszek> x1250: could uninstalling (with purge) and installing again help?
[20:57] <ghaleb> hello, I have a bug, my keyboard stop responding if I move from window to window, I'm using ubuntu hardy
[20:57] <bews1> muszek: uninstalling what?
[20:57] <x1250> davisc: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and delete "quiet splash" from the kernel line you have problems with. Comment "hiddenmenu" line also
[20:57] <muszek> bews1: ssh
[20:57] <x1250> then reboot and take a look
[20:58] <x1250> only delete "quiet splash" from the line, not the entire line
[20:58] <x1250> muszek: probably
[20:58] <muszek> x1250: ok.  thanks for your help.
[20:59] <bews1> OK, I guess my strategy for a clean beta install is: install from the daily CD, which allows grub and lvm to coexist.  Then change sources.list to match what's on the beta cd.  Sheesh
[20:59] <christoz> Hello...
[20:59] <christoz>  My question is ...let's say i have a sound related program(Amarok) named which using the A mixer and another program (VOIP..Skype Actually))using the  B mixer ..can these tow mixers work-blending together and simultaneously ?
[20:59] <x1250> bews1: problematic kernel line should look something like this
[20:59] <christoz> I'm using ubuntu-Hardy
[20:59] <x1250> -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=3edd5679-635f-4f89-8081-08b268f2cdc8 ro
[20:59] <Flannel> bews1: There are no beta repositories, the snapshots (daily, alpha, whatever) exist only in the CDs themselves
[20:59] <x1250> then reboot and see whats going on
[21:00] <christoz> Amarok cannot play music while i'm in voice call
[21:00] <x1250> christoz: try pulseaudio. System -> prefs -> sound
[21:00] <ghaleb> please, any help! this problem really annoying .I can't use my keyboard correctly!
[21:01] <orvokki> Everyone know which day it is tomorrow? ;>
[21:01] <christoz> x1250 Skype doesn't use pulseaudio but a modified mod for it...actually eses alsa mixer ..
[21:01] <orvokki> That's right, the Release Candidate day. \o/
[21:02] <christoz> x1250 what should i do from there?
[21:02] <x1250> christoz: ok, but using skype alsa and amarok with pulseaudio works?
[21:02] <christoz> x1250 nope
[21:03] <sailaway85> I dont seem to be able to download vmware  player from site... trying for 3 days now ... is there an alternative
[21:03] <x1250> you have to select pulseaudio from the dropdown menus
[21:03] <christoz> x1250 the result is crash
[21:03] <x1250> result of what?
[21:03] <christoz> x1250  ok wait..
[21:04] <x1250> sailaway85: virtualbox
[21:04] <x1250> http://www.virtualbox.org/
[21:04] <Pelo> afternoon folks ,  my removable media no longer auto mounts since the last update (usb-flash and cd/dvd) , am I the only one ?
[21:04] <sailaway85> I want to try vmware better file exchange
[21:05] <bews1> Flannel: what I mean by "beta repo" is the place that is in the sources.list after you install the beta.
[21:05] <bews1> x1250: what do I do with that kernel line?
[21:05] <x1250> sailaway85: what do you mean by file exchange?
[21:05] <Pelo> sailaway85, I don'T think there is a vmware for this kernel yet
[21:06] <sailaway85> Pelo: read somewhere files can be seen on win network
[21:07] <^Ocean^> ccsm wont run , I gives me "ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/compizconfig.so: undefined symbol: ccsEdgesToStringList"
[21:07] <x1250> bews1: you had the problem with the kernel? Search for the "hiddenmenu" line and comment it (#hiddenmenu). Then delete "quiet splash" from the kernel line you have problems with... and reboot
[21:07]  * Pelo his been having mounting issues ever since he upgraded to the beta ...
[21:07] <bews1> "the problem with the kernel?"  Maybe you have me confused with someone else
[21:07] <x1250> that should show you every little thing that happens at boot
[21:07] <sailaway85> Pelo: thanks... am running virtualbox but its for gutsy
[21:07] <x1250> aa bews1, yeah
[21:08] <af_> I was unable to install grub as bootloader
 x1250: what do I do with that kernel line?
[21:08] <x1250> what kernel linea?
[21:08] <Pelo> af_, what part is missing ? maybe I can help a little , a very little
[21:08] <bews1> x1250: you wrote "the problematic kernel line looks like: ..."
[21:08] <bews1> but maybe your confusion had already started by then
[21:08] <af_> Pelo, don't know, just grub fails, lilo was happy indeed
[21:08] <x1250> aah, probably
[21:09] <Pelo> af_, when does grub fail, are you getting any error msg ?
[21:09] <bews1> Does anyone have  a better strategy for a clean beta install than this?:
[21:09] <bews1> install from the daily CD, which allows grub and lvm to coexist.  Then change sources.list to match what's on the beta cd.  Sheesh
[21:09] <af_> only strange thing was hardy server, with /boot, swap /, /home in raid1
[21:09] <af_> Pelo, none
[21:09] <af_> just the red screen
[21:09] <Pelo> af_,  ok carry on then
[21:09] <tomahasamoot> My wife and I login on different VT's and switch back and forth (ctrl+alt+Fx).  Often, about a second after switching, the login that was switched from crashes.  Then the screen switches back to the prevous VT were kdm is restarting.
[21:10] <af_> the raid1 is not very happy, it's unable to boot unattended in degraded mode as well. I have seen long threads about this
[21:10] <tomahasamoot> I don't know if this is related to X, but I'm using an nVidia 8600 w/ the real drivers
[21:11] <zucaritas> Hello, I lost sound after upgrading to 8.04 any suggestions?
[21:11] <uberushaximus> zucaritas: make sure you're configured to use pulseaudio
[21:12] <zucaritas> uberushaximus, Im a total newbie, how can I do that?
[21:12] <uberushaximus> iirc, you need to remove alsa, but that's only from what I heard from someone else
[21:12] <uberushaximus> try configuring it in the 'sound' menu
[21:13] <uberushaximus> I haven't been on hardy myself in a few months
[21:13] <savvas> zucaritas: also make sure that you use the main mirror (system > administration > software sources > download from: -> main server > close > reload data) and you have updated to the latest versions of the packages
[21:14] <zucaritas> savvas, doing that right now.
[21:15] <savvas> zucaritas: if you see a lot of upgrade, after they're downloaded and installed do a reboot to be sure that you use the current versions, let's hope the updated versions fix your problems :)
[21:16] <^Ocean^> is Compiz Broken right now ?
[21:16] <savvas> no ^Ocean^, works ok here
[21:18] <RyanPrior> My sound has totally died, all of a sudden. Alsamixer fails with "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: No such file or directory"
[21:20] <savvas> RyanPrior: apt-cache policy linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[21:21] <savvas> !pastebin | RyanPrior
[21:21] <ubotu> RyanPrior: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:22] <Kalamarencu> hello
[21:22] <savvas> RyanPrior: make it a bit quick if you want a reply from me, i'll be leaving in a couple of minutes
[21:22] <RyanPrior> savvas: Pastebin is for big multi-line pastes. One-liners are just fine. :-)
[21:22] <Kalamarencu> for Hardy Heron is there any advanced support for RAID?
[21:22] <savvas> RyanPrior: it's not a one liner it has 3-4 lines of text, i need them all
[21:23] <RyanPrior> savvas: Ah, you need the output of that command. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63461/
[21:23] <savvas> you can paste it here, but don't blame me if they attack you for flooding :P
[21:24] <RyanPrior> savvas: I thought you were reprimanding me for pasting the output of alsamixer. =P
[21:24] <Kalamarencu> I already have a RAID configuration with windowz installed and I want to install Ubuntu . 7.10 with dmaraid installed, will give me like 8 partitions instead of three and I am afraid it will screw up my current configuration  ANy ideea if Hardy comes with better HDD RAID support?
[21:24] <blekos> do u know any media player for firefox 3?
[21:24] <savvas> RyanPrior: did you upgrade from gutsy now or did you have hardy before?
[21:24] <RyanPrior> blekos: Firefox 3 in Hardy comes equipped with a gstreamer plugin for media.
[21:24] <Kalamarencu> Anyone?
[21:24] <RyanPrior> savvas: I've been on Hardy for months.
[21:25] <akio> Kalamarencu: I wouldn't try what you are thinking
[21:25] <RyanPrior> savvas: I've had sound all morning, and suddenly my media player stopped playing and alsamixer says I don't have any sound device or whatever.
[21:25] <Kalamarencu> why not akio ?
[21:25] <Kalamarencu> it should work, no ?
[21:26] <akio> if you want an idea, Grub is broken on my alt. install disk
[21:26] <akio> it should work, and to praise all the cool stuff in hardy it will work
[21:26] <akio> just be patient
[21:26] <Kalamarencu> 7 DAYS!
[21:26] <akio> i know
[21:26] <RyanPrior> Kalamarencu: if you've got Windows Software RAID, it may be difficult to get it to get it working under Linux. If it's a hardware RAID controller, it should be transparent to the OS.
[21:26] <akio> im sorta impatient too
[21:27] <akio> true
[21:27] <akio> but there are some really cool thinkgs you can do with the grub
[21:27] <Kalamarencu> it is hardware raid controller NVIDIA 4 configured from BIOS
[21:27] <savvas> RyanPrior: try reinstall these packages and reboot, maybe it'll help: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-base
[21:28] <akio> but if you want to boot into software raid you are going to need "core.img" of grub slapped into the space between the mbr and the first partition
[21:28] <Kalamarencu> partitioned from the WIN installation
[21:28] <akio> and you need to build it
[21:28] <Kalamarencu> have you guys ever tried to "sudo apt-get moo" ? It is an easter egg
[21:28] <blekos> it doesnt seem to work with e-radio
[21:28] <akio> i have seen it
[21:29] <Kalamarencu> I see akio
[21:29] <akio> there are more easter eggs actually
[21:29] <Kalamarencu> akio Alt+F2 ? Free the fish
[21:29] <akio> i just got through emailing a grub dev
[21:29] <akio> what?
[21:29] <Kalamarencu> I will wait until HH comes out and try
[21:29] <Kalamarencu> open a run box
[21:29] <akio> omg
[21:29] <akio> thats hilarious
[21:30] <Kalamarencu> what?
[21:30] <RyanPrior> sudo apt-get install cowsay && fortune | cowsay
[21:30] <akio> how do i get rid of him?
[21:30] <Kalamarencu> the fish ?
[21:30] <akio> ya
[21:30] <Kalamarencu> reboot
[21:30] <Kalamarencu> :)
[21:30] <Prefix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4729671#post4729671
[21:30] <akio> oh thanks
[21:30] <Kalamarencu> it is wanda
[21:30] <akio> i know
[21:30] <akio> i like the gnu
[21:30] <akio> but i liked him better when he fired up
[21:31] <akio> grub2 isnt complete yet but it has support for what you are asking
[21:32] <akio> how did you create the software raid in windows?
[21:32] <akio> has anyone tried using ext3cow?
[21:32] <akio> speaking of moo
[21:32] <akio> !poll
[21:32] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[21:32] <Kalamarencu> I went into bios , created the RAID in BIOS using two drives. THen I created a custom Win image with nlite, intergrated the F6 drivers, installed and partitioned normally the hdd.
[21:33] <Kalamarencu> THe nvidia controller has a windows application that can modify the RAID settings in BIOS
[21:33] <akio> do you know the chipset?
[21:33] <Kalamarencu> nforce 4
[21:33] <Kalamarencu> if I am not mistaking
[21:33] <akio> no the raid controller
[21:33] <Kalamarencu> it is an MSI mobo
[21:33] <akio> what model board?
[21:34] <Kalamarencu> I don't remember right now.
[21:34] <Kalamarencu> Lemme look it up
[21:34] <akio> you might want to see how someone else did it using your chipset
[21:34] <akio> thats the best way
[21:34] <Kalamarencu> Setting up cowsay (3.03-8) ...
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>  ________________________________________
[21:34] <Kalamarencu> \ to one who adores you.                 /
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>  ----------------------------------------
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>         \   ^__^
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>          \  (oo)\_______
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>             (__)\       )\/\
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>                 ||----w |
[21:34] <akio> but the short answer for if it works is yes
[21:34] <Kalamarencu>                 ||     ||
[21:34] <Kalamarencu> haha
[21:35] <Kalamarencu> that is a good lead akio
[21:35] <akio> im surprised you werent tossed for that bollocks
[21:35] <Prefix> I need some help with my wireless, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4729671#post4729671, cheers
[21:35] <Prefix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4729671#post4729671 *
[21:36] <akio> dude, thats a usb wireless dongle
[21:36] <akio> you are getting what you deserver! lol
[21:36] <Kalamarencu> I thought I would be
[21:36] <Prefix> lol :<
[21:37] <akio> have you read where others have had better speeds?
[21:37] <Prefix> What?
[21:38] <akio> well the best way to handle that dongle is to treat it like it was a windows device and use ndiswrapper
[21:38] <Prefix> hmm
[21:38] <Prefix> my previous attempts at ndiswrapper where epic fails
[21:38] <akio> try compiling this time
[21:38] <akio> get everything solid
[21:38] <akio> probably a good idea to not use hardy yet
[21:39] <Prefix> Im new to linux, how do i compile it?
[21:39] <Kalamarencu> I think that is the difficult part..compiling...
[21:39] <Kalamarencu> see
[21:39] <Prefix> Its was worse in Gutsy
[21:39] <akio> lemme find a howto brb
[21:39] <Prefix> kk ty
[21:39] <akio> but you are using hardy aren't you?
[21:39] <Prefix> yes
[21:39] <akio> k
[21:41] <akio> Kalamarencu: thanks again for Wanda
[21:41] <Kalamarencu> :)
[21:41] <Kalamarencu> can't you get read of her?
[21:42] <Kalamarencu> kill the process
[21:42] <_ZeuZ_> Technical question, why does hardy take all my memory into a buffers, and do not let it free instead? it helps me get more and more segmentation faults
[21:42] <akio> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=104539&highlight=compile+ndiswrapper+source
[21:42] <Prefix> ty
[21:43] <Prefix> ill check it out
[21:43] <akio> thats just one part
[21:43] <Prefix> but last time i used ndiswrapper, my pc wouldnt boot
[21:43] <Prefix> :)
[21:43] <akio> i doubt it
[21:43] <Prefix> lol seriously
[21:44] <akio> did it give you some weird messages at startup?
[21:44] <_ZeuZ_> Using ndis for what? Better off use native support
[21:44] <Tuv0k> !mem | _ZeuZ_
[21:44] <ubotu> _ZeuZ_: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[21:44] <akio> true
[21:44] <_ZeuZ_> Tuv0k: Been there, nothing helped in any way.
[21:44] <akio> _ZeuZ_: he is using a usb dongle for wireless
[21:44] <_ZeuZ_> akio: chipset?
[21:45] <_ZeuZ_> he can still use native support
[21:45] <akio> F5D7050
[21:45] <akio> i tried for the longest time to use native for my chipset
[21:45] <_ZeuZ_> Not model, CHIPSET.
[21:45] <akio> i don't know, its probably on the back sticker
[21:46] <akio> that is a good point though
[21:46] <_ZeuZ_> No, it's not.
[21:46] <_ZeuZ_> If you don't know that, tell me the brand, and model
[21:46] <akio> Prefix
[21:46] <Prefix> its a Realtek rt73 chipset i think
[21:46] <Volkodav> I installed the beta driver from nvidia site and now trying to uninstall but can not find an uninstall optionin the script - this is what I get now http://pastebin.com/m127ee076
[21:46] <Prefix> Its a Belking Wireless adapter
[21:47] <sailaway85> By default my asus st ddr to 2T but i tried it at 1T and ran a mem test and it ran fine... is this ok?
[21:47] <_ZeuZ_> then just install the rt73usb drivers, or the r2x00
[21:47] <akio> Volkodav: why did you go and do that
[21:47] <Prefix> I have the rt73usb drives, im using it now
[21:47] <Volkodav> their uninstall instructions seem to be outdated
[21:47] <Tuv0k> Prefix, http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[21:47] <Prefix> the thing is its alot slower than what it should be
[21:47] <Volkodav> cuz other options did not work
[21:48] <_ZeuZ_> Same on another OS? It can be easily a wireless problem
[21:49] <Prefix> The wireless works perfectly for my dad on his xp laptop, although he is using a different adapter, and he is closer to the router
[21:49] <Prefix> but my signal is 88%
[21:49] <Prefix> yet im getting 2mbps
[21:49] <_ZeuZ_> That just means that you have more noise in the enviroment next to you.
[21:49] <_ZeuZ_> And the TX/RX rate does not limit you for transmissions lower than 100mbps
[21:49] <Kalamarencu> change the channel on the router
[21:50] <akio> Volkodav: use 169
[21:50] <Volkodav> I will but how?
[21:50] <Kalamarencu> do You have the same problem with other Access Points?
[21:50] <Kalamarencu> or only with ur AP?>
[21:50] <akio> you are talking on irc, get back to the command line!
[21:50] <akio> lol
[21:50] <Volkodav> I have to uninstall 173 first
[21:50] <akio> get the script from the nvidia site
[21:51] <Volkodav> can't find one
[21:51] <akio> this is not the ubuntu way
[21:51] <Volkodav> this is linux way though
[21:51] <_ZeuZ_> sh ./NVIDIA-SCRIPT --uninstall
[21:51] <akio> what card do you have
[21:51] <Volkodav> 6600
[21:51] <Prefix> define:AP - if it means what im assuming then I don't know becuase i cant move it around
[21:51] <Prefix> its a desktop
[21:51] <akio> i don't think you are going to be able to uninstall cleanly
[21:52] <akio> those scripts have no regard for your system
[21:52] <Volkodav> well - I''try what _ZeuZ_  offered
[21:52] <akio> but you can just shove them in and they work
[21:52] <_ZeuZ_> Those script have them, if you installed from them.
[21:52] <_ZeuZ_> They will remove the module, and firmware.
[21:52] <_ZeuZ_> That's uninstalling it
[21:52] <akio> all the stuff goes with it cleanly?
[21:52] <Volkodav> ok lemme get out of X and try
[21:52] <Volkodav> brb
[21:53] <_ZeuZ_> Ubuntus "Bulletproof" x server will cause errors though, just delete and manually configure it, as it should be.
[21:53] <akio> _ZeuZ_: ?
[21:53] <akio> holy crap my X setup wouldn't work for the longest time in this hardy
[21:53] <akio> i tried not to use the nvidia script
[21:54] <akio> i got it working though
[21:54] <_ZeuZ_> pff... I'm a Debian user trying Hardy to test it... and that thing of  allocating all the memory on cache buffers instead of letting it free annoys me badly
[21:54] <akio> same here
[21:55] <akio> im just seeing if there is any improvement to running unstable
[21:55] <akio> i really love etch though
[21:55] <_ZeuZ_> Ubunutu/Kubuntu are both based on Debian SID/unstable either ways
[21:56] <_ZeuZ_> myself, I adopted Lenny
[21:56] <akio> i run amd64 and lenny doesn't have a few features
[21:56] <Tuv0k> ipv6.google.com
[21:56] <akio> specifically nvidia-glx and flashplugin-nonfree
[21:56] <_ZeuZ_> I also run AMD64 and it has the same features, something like some packages are named different.
[21:56] <Tuv0k> does that work for you guys?
[21:57] <akio> and i'm too clumsy to get it to work cleanly so i like it when its done for me
[21:57] <_ZeuZ_> For thos, you have to add non-free in the repos
[21:57] <SnakeArt> Hi, everyone!
[21:57] <Arand> I'm seeing these incredibly long wakeup times from suspends (>2min) anybody got any idea...?
[21:57] <bicyclis1> I can'T print from firefox beta5 due to an xml error ! anyone having the same problem ?
[21:58] <akio> i want the work these guys are putting into hardy, hopefully the polish works out
[21:58] <KalEl> the release date comes closer.
[21:58] <Arand> using fglrx 8.3....
[21:59] <akio> Canonical cares about hardy, this one is going to be an LTS release
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> Hardy is NOT going to be a Long term release
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> As far as I've read (2 weeks ago)
[21:59] <SnakeArt> I've heard that in Hardy there will be a full support for new Wacom tablets, I'm especially interested in support for Bamboo One. I'm unable to configure this tablet with Gutsy, so I'm full of hope that this problem will be solved in Hardy.
[21:59] <kreative> Hey, Im not able to write to my NTFS partition, however I can read from it, what gives?
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> !hardy
[21:59] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[21:59] <akio> i just read that it would be
[21:59] <KalEl> this is going to be *some* LTS release
[21:59] <KalEl> eagerly waiting
[22:00] <Arand> Funny thing is that it's only the first suspend-wakeup that's affected, i.e. first one takes ~2min, all following takes ~5s
[22:00] <akio> _ZeuZ_: is that not what it says...?
[22:00] <KalEl> kreative, may be they are mounted read only? cat /etc/mtab
[22:01] <Arand> kreative: mounted as read-only?
[22:01] <Arand> heh...
[22:01] <_ZeuZ_> akio, Dunno, it wasn't what I originally read...
[22:02] <akio> its ok, i don't have an ego
[22:02] <Arand> It's always been LTS hasn't it
[22:02] <kreative> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 fuseblk ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[22:02] <_ZeuZ_> not from what I've read in Barrapunto
[22:02] <KalEl> kreative, otherwise you might want to "sudo aptitude ntfs-config"
[22:02] <KalEl> kreative, otherwise you might want to "sudo aptitude install ntfs-config" i mean
[22:02] <SnakeArt> !repeat
[22:02] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:03] <Arand> the "ro" part might be your perp.
[22:03] <Ciantic> ompaul, no it isn't, my firefox shows in about dialog firefox 3.0 beta 4
[22:03] <kreative> so take out the fuseblk ro
[22:03] <KalEl> kreative, "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" and change the ro to rw
[22:03] <ompaul> Ciantic, sudo apt-get update
[22:03] <kreative> ok
[22:03] <ompaul> Ciantic, cos I have it
[22:03] <ompaul> Ciantic, and I track the release
[22:04] <Ciantic> ompaul, hmm, wait a sec, I started some graphical updater
[22:04] <ompaul> as in the beta
[22:04] <Ciantic> which will take a while
[22:04] <ompaul> Ciantic, na you just do it - it will work
[22:04] <ompaul> ;-)
[22:04] <KalEl> kreative, after that you can "sudo umount /media/sda1 && sudo mount /media/sda1"
[22:04] <akio> I hate to poll and include windows in the topic, but is there anyone who has a comfortable setup where they can do something similar to "Super+R" for "run" in windows?
[22:04] <akio> i have seen gnome-do and alt+F2, but i want something that feels the same
[22:04] <_ZeuZ_> ALT+F2
[22:05] <KalEl> akio, for me it's configured as compiz zoom in, but you can use Alt+F2 instead which is gnome default for run
[22:05] <_ZeuZ_> it will also work on KDE to open the RUN dialog box
[22:06] <Arand> anybody got any idea about my suspend quirks (~2min first wakeup time)
[22:06] <kreative> kalel, im getting an error telling me i have 2 options,
[22:07] <KalEl> i guess one of those two options was /quit
[22:07] <KalEl> :/
[22:07] <kreative> sorry internet dropped.
[22:07] <Ciantic> yes the internet
[22:07] <kreative> kalel: anyway its asking me if i want to force the mount.
[22:08] <KalEl> kreative, ok... what does it say exactly?
[22:08] <akio> so i have gnome-do
[22:08] <akio> but how do i map alt+F2 to it?
[22:08] <Arand> do you use compiz akio?
[22:09] <akio> and how do i get back from zoom?
[22:09] <kreative> kalel: Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action 1  If you have Windows then disconnect the external devices by   clicking on the 'Safely Remove Hardware' icon in the Windows taskbar then shutdown Windows cleanly.
[22:09] <akio> im stuck in zoom...
[22:09] <akio> lol
[22:09] <kreative> If you don't have Windows then you can use the 'force' option for  your own responsibility. For example type on the command line: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o force Or add the option to the relevant row in the /etc/fstab file:  /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g force 0 0
[22:09] <KalEl> kreative, that happens when linux (or most likely windows) did not close it properly, do a force
[22:10] <Arand> super+wheel? akio
[22:10] <Kill_X> well well, anyone able to confirm weird pink & yellow windows colors using a nvidia geforce 8x00-based (or newer) card? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-plugins/+bug/216999
[22:10] <kreative> ok
[22:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216999 in compiz-plugins "Decoration Plugin: Window shadow color is not displayed as set in plugin properties" [Undecided,New]
[22:10] <Kill_X> windows shadow colors, that is, sry.
[22:10] <akio> thanks Arand
[22:10] <KalEl> kreative, don't add the force to fstab though.
[22:11] <akio> i don't know why zoom works and ccsm has it unchecked, oh well
[22:11] <kreative> kalel: thanks really appreciate it.
[22:11] <KalEl> no problem. glad to help.
[22:11] <Plugh> I migrated the contents of my old PII to my new Core 2 Duo machine and realized its about time to update my Ubuntu installation as I have 6.06. I started checking out the Ubuntu 8.04 beta but it seems to me that it doesn't support the use of RAID.
[22:11] <Arand> akio: in the general section of ccsm you should have kemapping options
[22:12] <kreative> so many updates for 8.04 released
[22:12] <kreative> daily.
[22:13] <Plugh> When it came time to set up the partitions it was listing the partitions of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb when they are configured as mirrors of each other (ie. RAID1)
[22:14] <Plugh> Will 8.04 support use of RAID disks? Should I just install 7.10 for now (if it supports RAID drives)?
[22:15] <_ZeuZ_> !flash 64bits
[22:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash 64bits - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:15] <_ZeuZ_> hmm I hate emulating 32bits flash libraries... It looses one hell of performance
[22:15] <cool> hardy release candidate is available?
[22:15] <jburd> cool
[22:16] <Arand> delayed 'til friday
[22:16] <Tuv0k> !flash64
[22:16] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:16] <cool> jburd, hey there!
[22:16] <cool> hmm. but i did get a notification when i ran dist-upgrade
[22:17] <cool> anyone please run "update-manager -d" & check
[22:18] <KalEl> cool, i generally use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" instead
[22:19] <Plugh> !raid1
[22:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raid1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:19] <Plugh> !raid
[22:19] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[22:19] <cool> yeah, according to HardyReleaseSchedule, 17th April is data for RC
[22:19] <cool> so guess, I am upgrading to RC
[22:20] <cool> But, what the hell, very slow speeds :(
[22:20] <cool> just 20kBps
[22:20] <cool> it will take forever
[22:20] <KalEl> cool, what speed?
[22:20] <KalEl> i got 30kb/s download here
[22:21] <cool> downloading from ubuntu servers
[22:21] <Arand> cool: RC is delayade til friday
[22:21] <savvas> cool: you're doing update-manager -d on hardy?!
[22:21] <cool> Arand, if thats true then What i am downloading ?
[22:21] <cool> sahin_h, on gutsy ==> hardy
[22:22] <Arand> Beta I guess, I got some announcment by email about the delay
[22:22] <KalEl> cool, may be the ubuntu bandwidth is blocked... i'll stop my download so that it will probably be a little bit faster for you
[22:22] <savvas> cool: ah ok, then you're downloading the beta with the updates
[22:22] <Arand> ear developers,  Owing to some setbacks getting the set of final packages built for inclusion on the release candidate images, the 8.04 RC will be pushed back a day to Friday, April 18.  This delay is not expected to impact the schedule of the final release.  Thanks, -- Steve Langasek On behalf of the Ubuntu release team
[22:23] <Arand> from ubuntu-devel announce mailing list
[22:23] <cool> ohk, thats a BETA with RC's release notes :p
[22:23] <cool> damn i can't stop it now
[22:24] <savvas> cool: it will upgrade it with the latest available packages, call it a "pre-RC" :)
[22:25] <Arand> aka, beta... ;)
[22:25] <cool> heh
[22:26] <cool> why servers are always over loaded these days
[22:26] <tacone> lot's of people trying out the beta ? :)
[22:26] <cool> earlier in dapper, i used to get full speeds
[22:27] <cool> now, rl after rl. speeds are going down :|
[22:27] <cool> now i am getting a fraction of speed, my connection is capable off
[22:28]  * cool takes a short nap till setup finishes
[22:28] <jburd> cool: Use a torrent when the thing is released instead of putting load on the server.
[22:30] <cool> jburd, i guess rsynch would be the best thing, as torrent do not work with apt
[22:30] <jburd> cool: Get the image, mount it, and upgrade from that.
[22:31] <cool> i also like to do it via apt, just a personal choice
[22:31]  * DanaG uses aptitude
[22:32]  * cool notices speeds have dropped to pathetic levels
[22:32] <cool> just 5kBps :X
[22:32] <T1m0thy> Where is the trash folder?
[22:32] <T1m0thy> I thought it used to be ~/.Trash :\
[22:33] <akio> cool, are you ftp/http downloading?
[22:33] <cool> can i cancel the upgrade now & download via torrents?
[22:33] <cool> akio, yes
[22:33] <akio> stop that!
[22:33] <akio> ihave help!
[22:33] <cool> seems a wiser option
[22:33] <akio> it is called.... Transmission!
[22:33] <akio> it is easy stoopid and works really well
[22:33] <blekos> could you tell me how i can use proprietary drivers?
[22:34] <cool> akio, heh...i know how to use torrents, mate
[22:34] <akio> o
[22:34] <akio> so the torrent is going slow?
[22:34] <akio> because i have maxed out my swarm
[22:34] <akio> and i just started
[22:35] <cool> nah, the problem is i started dist-upgrade , how to stop it?
[22:35] <akio> already have 100 megs
[22:35] <akio> ctrl-c
[22:35] <RoC_MasterMind> anybody know the time for the ubuntu release?
[22:35] <RoC_MasterMind> i mean RC
[22:35] <akio> ithink its the 24th
[22:35] <akio> !hardy
[22:35] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:35] <akio> yup
[22:36] <akio> 150 megs now
[22:36] <cool> akio, which tracker?
[22:37] <akio> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[22:38] <user1> if i have the beta now and when the reall hardy comes out. how much would i have to download to upgrade to hardy?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> user1,  depends on what you got installed.  and how many updatres there are. I would say a few 100mb perhaps.
[22:39] <x1250> if you keep upgrading till the last day, then very few packages on the 24th, if at all
[22:39] <_derspankster> user1: if you continue to update, you'll eventually have final
[22:39] <user1> if i never update?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> any cd you have burnt may be a few days or weeks out of date.
[22:39] <user1> till the real release
[22:39] <cool> akio, where is the torrent for alternate install hardy
[22:39] <x1250> probably more than 200MB ? But its just a guess
[22:39] <jbroome> user1: then you'll be downloading a bunch of packages the same day that people are trying to pull the final .iso off the mirrors
[22:40] <jbroome> sloooo o oo o o w
[22:40] <Dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:40] <user1> _derspankster Dr_willis jbroome ya.. but how much in total will it dl for hardy. will i dl about all the hardy again?
[22:40] <Dr_willis> I tend to update/upgrade t4he day befor the release.. then wait a week to do the next update
[22:40] <jbroome> user1: BTSOM
[22:40] <Dr_willis> user1,  depends on how old the cd is.
[22:41] <user1> Dr_willis il dl beta today
[22:41] <Dr_willis> Im averagind about 200+mb of updates  a week here.
[22:41] <Dr_willis> But that will drop off i imagine
[22:41] <_derspankster> I usually update daily - for fun
[22:41] <cool> where to download latest hardy built(alternate install) via torrents?
[22:41]  * Dr_willis wonders why the amount matters....
[22:42] <Dr_willis> cool, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:42] <Dr_willis> first hit on google for 'ubuntu torrent' :)
[22:42] <cool> Dr_willis, can you point out where, all torrents there are old
[22:42] <cool> i need a recent one
[22:42] <Dr_willis> cool,  look at the bottom of the page?
[22:42] <jbroome> !daily | cool
[22:42] <ubotu> cool: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:42] <Dr_willis> thats the official torrent page as far as i knwo
[22:43] <user1> most packages in beta and hardy will be the same i think?
[22:43] <CartoonCat> hellos
[22:43] <CartoonCat> anyone able to help with broadcom wireless (pcie, bcm94311mcg) and ubuntu 8.04 (both 32 and 64 bit) the card is seen and drivers loaded, but it can not scan or connect
[22:43] <jbroome> dailys probably won't have a torrent
[22:43] <Dr_willis> user1,  well once the 'rc'  gets released it will be 'almost done'
 user1,  well once the 'rc'  gets released it will be 'almost done' ?
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> which was the command to check how much memory we've got free, cached/buffered and occupied?
[22:44] <jbroome> _ZeuZ_: free
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> lol xD
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> I was trying "mem"
[22:44] <jbroome> srsly
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> Damn, too much WinXP this noon in the univ
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> My mind got screwed up big time
[22:44] <swuboo> jbroome:  Why not?  It's the correct command for DOS and Win.
[22:45] <swuboo> I spent too much time MUDding when I was a teenager, so I have a bad habit of typing 'look' when I mean 'ls'.
[22:46] <Meshezabeel> I had compiz turned off, then had some updates, now when I try to turn compiz back on it doesn't have the window decoration. If i try turning on windows decoration in the compiz settings manager, compiz then becomes disabled again. Is anyone else having this problem?
[22:46] <_ZeuZ_> swuubo: same for me with ls in the windows command console (cmd/command)
[22:47] <user1> is the beta going stable?
[22:47] <jbroome> on the 24th
[22:47]  * cool is trying jigsaw download
[22:47] <blekos> hi, i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i dont get any option for choosing display etc
[22:48] <cool> blekos, use sudo, as this command can only be run while you are root
[22:49] <blekos> i do run it with sudo
[22:50] <blekos> could u tell me how i can add proprietary drivers?
[22:50] <Dr_willis> drivers for what exactly?
[22:50] <blekos> nvidia
[22:51] <blekos> if am not mistaked there is a way to do it automatically
[22:51] <Dr_willis> either install the proper nvidia-glx package, and run the restricted-driver tool. or just run the restricted drivers tool and let it install it.
[22:51] <_derspankster> blekos: Preferences>Screen Resolution
[22:51] <user1> is the beta going stable?
[22:51] <jbroome> on the 24th
[22:51] <Dr_willis> user1,  yes..it will eventually go stable..
[22:51] <x1250> blekos: IIRC you must run: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[22:51] <user1> Dr_willis k any major problems it has?
[22:52] <user1> Dr_willis i was going to install it
[22:52] <Dr_willis> user1,  If you cant afford the risk.. then wait.
[22:52] <jbroome> user1: read the /topic, then decide
[22:52] <user1> k
[22:52] <jbroome> if you're going to noob all over yourself, don't
[22:52] <Dr_willis> I could of had it installed by the time its taken you to ask all the Q's :)
[22:54] <blekos> x1250
[22:54] <Kill_X> folks, any reports of dpkg not returning error-states to $ANY package manager?
[22:54] <Kill_X> got 5 cases so far where apt was completely broken after an update
[22:54] <blekos> no luck, i am only asked to configure keyboard layout etc but not asked for resolution
[22:55] <Kill_X> 4 on hardy, now 1 on 6.10.1
[22:55] <akio> coo, don't you mean jigdo?
[22:55] <x1250> blekos: try editing xorg.conf and add vertical and horizontal refresh rates for your monitor...
[22:55] <akio> cool*
[22:55] <Kill_X> 'dpkg --configure -a && apt-get install' was fixing all 5 cases
[22:56] <Meshezabeel> is compiz currenly broken in last couple of updates?
[22:56] <akio> i wish i knew how to write my own xorg.conf from scratch
[22:56] <x1250> Meshezabeel: not for me
[22:56] <Meshezabeel> x1250, okay, thanks
[22:56] <Dr_willis> akio,  its not that hard. Look at examples/premade ones.  cut/paste :)
[22:57] <akio> having dual monitors on one card, one vga and one dvi, with buggy drivers from both free and non-free
[22:57] <akio> yes it is that hard
[22:57] <kona> Hi - Dragged my Applications, Places, etc. bar to bottom of screen - There is another bar above that shows running applications, etc. - Is there a way to incorporate this bar into the other bar I dragged from top?
[22:57] <Dr_willis> akio,  ati or nvidia?
[22:57] <akio> nvidia
[22:57] <Some_Person> I assume Hardy will have the same Dapper-Gutsy theme, right?
[22:57] <akio> it works now, but there are still issues
[22:57] <akio> im using nvidia-glx
[22:57] <Dr_willis> with my nvidia 8800gtsxxx  i just use the nvidia-xconfig tool to enable twinview and they take right off..
[22:57] <Meshezabeel> Some_Person, Hardy will have the Hardy theme
[22:58] <T1m0thy> Where is the trash folder?
[22:58] <Dr_willis> using nvidia-glx-new here for the driver
[22:58] <akio> nvidia-glx-new craps out for my setup
[22:58] <Some_Person> Is the Hardy theme different than the Dapper-Gutsy theme?
[22:58] <akio> i have a 7800gs
[22:58] <Ciantic> Hmm anyone know how to configure the virtual desktops program to follow shortcut keys win+1 = first desktop, ...
[22:58] <Meshezabeel> Some_Person, There is no Dapper-Gutsy theme, they used different themes
[22:59] <Some_Person> They all look the same to me
[22:59] <Meshezabeel> Some_Person, okay, then I guess it will be the same
[22:59] <x1250> lol
[22:59] <swuboo> Hmm.  Is there a package for PulseAudio support in Wine?
[23:00] <Some_Person> How are the Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy themes any different from each other?
[23:00] <blekos> anybody using kubuntu?
[23:00] <akio> i tried
[23:00] <blekos> the option restricted driver does not exist...
[23:00] <akio> kde4?
[23:01] <blekos> no kd 3.5.9
[23:01] <x1250> Some_Person: artwork always change between releases
[23:01] <T1m0thy> No one knows where the trash folder is? :| The past few days I have been totally ignored here. I feel invisible.
[23:01] <akio> its under linux-restricted-modules i believe
[23:01] <akio> its not in the menu
[23:01] <Ciantic> T1m0thy, bottom bar?
[23:01] <Some_Person> x1250: but the theme seems to stay the same to me
[23:01] <x1250> though they look pretty similar to me too...
[23:01] <swuboo> t1m0thy?  I believe it's ~/.trash
[23:01] <Dr_willis> T1m0thy,  try a ls -a  and look?
[23:01] <swuboo> Go to your home folder, and turn on "see hidden files"
[23:01] <Ciantic> T1m0thy, see the icon in the bottom bar also
[23:01] <T1m0thy> I thought it was ~/.Trash and I'm not using gnome.
[23:01] <Ciantic> in center
[23:02] <T1m0thy> I'll try that, Dr_willis.
[23:02] <Dr_willis> ive seen it in .trash or .Trash, or in .kde/somthing/trash
[23:02] <akio> i don't have a trash icon either and i'm in gnome
[23:02] <T1m0thy> No luck.
[23:02] <Some_Person> Trash is in ~/.Trash
[23:03] <Some_Person> Even on KDE i've never seen it elsewhere
[23:03] <T1m0thy> Well I don't have it then..
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Its fun and benificial to explore your home dir.
[23:03] <Fritzel> likewise that's not where my trash is either, hang on T1m0thy I'll see if I can track it down here
[23:03] <Some_Person> Are the hidden files visible?
[23:03] <T1m0thy> Thanks, Fritzel.
[23:03] <T1m0thy> Yes, Some_Person.
[23:04] <T1m0thy> I know my home directory.. it just isn't there.
[23:04] <Some_Person> ok
[23:04] <Some_Person> are you KDE or GNOME?
[23:04] <Dr_willis> I dont have a .Trash either.
[23:04] <Dr_willis> using kde here
[23:04] <T1m0thy> Openbox
[23:04] <Dr_willis> /home/willis/.local/share/Trash/
[23:04] <Some_Person> What file manager are you using?
[23:04] <T1m0thy> There it is. :)
[23:05] <T1m0thy> Thanks, Dr_willis.
[23:05] <Some_Person> nevermind
[23:05] <T1m0thy> Nautilus.
[23:05] <Dr_willis> 'locate Trash' works wonders
[23:05] <T1m0thy> ah
[23:05] <T1m0thy> didn't know that command
[23:05] <T1m0thy> thanks
[23:05] <Some_Person> easy way with nautilus is throw something in trash, rightclick it, hit properties, it'll tell you
[23:05] <Fritzel> yep confirmed here as well on kubuntu running with ubuntu-desktop
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> !rt73usb
[23:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt73usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> ...
[23:06] <Some_Person> I've never been a KDE fan, GNOME has always been more with me.
[23:07] <Dr_willis> I was thinking kde and gnome both used the same trash area/dir/settings now...
[23:07] <Fritzel> Some_Person: doing that here on gnome says trash:///
[23:07] <Dr_willis> but i hacent checked lately
[23:07] <x1250> I did prefer KDE, and used KDE4 till a week ago. I installed gnome on my laptop and runned compiz. Wow, I ended installing gnome on my desktop too...
[23:07] <Some_Person> Fritzel: toss something in the trash, open the trash, rightclick the thing you put in there, and hit properties
[23:07] <Ciantic> Is the package list out of date due to fact that this is still Beta?
[23:07] <Fritzel> Dr_willis: they do, because my stuff that I deleted in KDE are there now in gnome
[23:07] <Fritzel> Some_Person: me tooo that's what I got
[23:08] <Ciantic> Eclipse is in version 3.2.2 which is ... old.
[23:08] <Dr_willis> i JUST noticed i click on the trash can in the panel in KDE. and open in new window --> and it opens with Nautilus....
[23:08] <akio> T1m0thy, did you find it?
[23:08] <Some_Person> Fritzel: maybe because i'm still on gutsy
[23:08] <Dr_willis> Figure THAT out.. :)
[23:08] <T1m0thy> akio: Yeah.
[23:08] <akio> what did you do?
[23:08] <Fritzel> Some_Person: that could be
[23:09] <T1m0thy> akio:  ~/.local/share/Trash/
[23:09] <akio> also there is a link here that explains something about that
[23:09] <akio> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[23:09] <Some_Person> Anything cool and new in Hardy I need to know about?
[23:09] <akio> in gnome you can use gconf-editor to set the trash icon as visible
[23:10] <akio> make sure to do it for the right user
[23:10] <_ZeuZ_> how can I see a variable contained in the PATHs?
[23:10] <_ZeuZ_> For example, see the variable in PATH that points to the location of Java
[23:11] <Dr_willis> 'which command'
[23:11] <Dr_willis> which ls --> /usr/bin/ls
[23:11] <akio> i want to know as well
[23:11] <akio> i think it is set up in bash.rc
[23:12] <_ZeuZ_> hmm... weird, I have java, but not java-s virtual machine (jvm)
[23:12] <akio> java-s?
[23:12] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: sudo update-java-alternatives
[23:13] <_ZeuZ_> java-s == java's
[23:13] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: with java one normally sets JAVA_HOME somewhere too, but as long as you have the alternatives set up you can usually avoid it
[23:13] <reya276> If I have an AMD64 should I use the 64 bit version, or the x86 which one would better
[23:14] <_ZeuZ_> linxeh: I'm downloading the 32bits java so I can use frostwire, is there any way to set the variable that way only for that software?
[23:14] <x1250> reya276: depends on your definition of "better"
[23:15] <Some_Person> What was all of your favorite ubuntu versions?
[23:15] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: you could set up a script that sets it then runs the software
[23:15] <linxeh> Some_Person: ? the current one (whatever that might be at the time)
[23:15] <linxeh> reya276: how much ram
[23:15] <blekos> sorry but i am getting frustrated. running dpkg ... reconfigure but no options for screen come up
[23:15] <linxeh> reya276: less than 4GB then you might as well just use the 32bit version
[23:16] <blekos>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[23:16] <reya276> ﻿linxeh: about 2gb of ram
[23:16] <_ZeuZ_> linxhe: that's what I wanted to know the current Java's path for...
[23:16] <Some_Person> what i mean by that is which one was the one you liked the most as far as how well it worked (or possibly looked) (or maybe how surprising it was)
[23:16] <reya276> ﻿ ﻿linxeh: oh ok
[23:16] <linxeh> reya276: I run my amd64/em64t boxes with 2gb ram with 32bit - its just easier
[23:16] <reya276> so I guess I'm donwloading the right onw
[23:17] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: its in /usr/lib/jvm somewhere
[23:17] <x1250> las time I checked, years ago, 64bit version lacked some software and had some chroot tricks with flash and other 32bit apps. Is it the same now a days?
[23:17] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: you can check in /etc/alternatives where the symlink points to
[23:17] <reya276> ah ok then, It sucks for me because I messed up my beta verison, so I have to re-install it
[23:17] <swuboo> x1250:  I use the native version of Flash, no problems whatsoever.
[23:17] <blekos> could somebody with the beta version and kde 3.5.x installed to check system setting->advanced and see if there is an option for restricted drivers?
[23:17] <_ZeuZ_> just cd to the symlink and pwd?
[23:17] <linxeh> x1250: its better now, but IMO its easier to use 32bit atm. unless you have more than 4GB ram its not worth bothering imo
[23:18] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: cd /etc/alternatives, then ls java and see what its pointing at for a clue
[23:18] <linxeh> _ZeuZ_: my ubuntu boxes aren't switched on atm
[23:18] <_ZeuZ_> how to see where it points? :)
[23:18] <swuboo> linxeh:  64 bit really doesn't seem to have any problems for me anymore.  Feisty, yeah.  Gutsy, a little.  The few problems I had left don't seem to be happening in Hardy.
[23:19] <peeps[work]> if I installed the beta now, and applied all updates through the 25th, would it be safe to assume that the setup would be just as good as if I had waited and installed the final release, and updates after that?
[23:19] <swuboo> Ironically, I only have one gig of RAM.  Of course, I'm planning an upgrade for the next couple of weeks, so at least I won't have to reinstall.
[23:19] <reya276> ﻿linxeh: I install these (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4253232&postcount=133)drivers when I did not need to and now system wont recognize the tablet at all
[23:19] <DanaG> How do I get Bash to ignore history?
[23:22] <x1250> DanaG: http://www.openfree.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6641
[23:24] <peeps[work]> DanaG, you want to clear your history?  or just never use it again?
[23:24] <peeps[work]> you can try deleting .bash_history to clear it
[23:25] <DanaG> er
[23:25] <DanaG> I mis-asked.
[23:25] <DanaG> I lost the word "duplicate"
[23:25] <DanaG> Ignore duplicate history.
[23:25] <DanaG> HISTORYCONTROL=ignoredups doesn't seem to work for me, if they're alternating between two different commands.
[23:27] <user1> i have some friends sharing my internet. i have 30k vacant and 3 friends. is there a way that i define the combine band limit for 3 users combined as 30 k . not 10k for each. that way if 2 are  online they can share 15k each. and if all 3 are online. they will be spreaded 10k each in managed behaviour. any way ?
[23:27] <RoC_MasterMind> user1, that's called traffic shaping
[23:28] <Kill_X> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/218422 <-- since this seems to be a distribution-wide problem (all versions) please respond if you had similar experience, thank you :)
[23:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218422 in dpkg "dpkg seems to not always report an error state correctly which results in SIGSEGV on apt next call" [Undecided,New]
[23:28] <user1> RoC_MasterMind ya how can i do it
[23:30] <swuboo> Does anyone know how to set up sound so that ALSA ouput from applications is routed through Pulse Audio?
[23:30] <Tuv0k> !pulse | swuboo
[23:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:30] <Tuv0k> !pulseaudio | swuboo
[23:30] <ubotu> swuboo: PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[23:30] <Some_Person> I wish we could have something like this for the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos
[23:31] <Tuv0k> swuboo, each application should havea pusle plugin
[23:31] <Tuv0k> !google | swuboo
[23:31] <ubotu> swuboo: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[23:31] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Should.  But it isn't remotely true.
[23:31] <Tuv0k> swuboo, of course not
[23:31] <Tuv0k> hence should, not will
[23:31] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  And that's presently my problem.
[23:32] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Nevertheless, ubotu's link might be helpful.
[23:32] <Tuv0k> just because they don't play via pulse plugin does not mean they won't play
[23:32] <Tuv0k> should be
[23:32] <Alan> Am I optimistic in hoping that RC1 really is tomorrow?
[23:32] <Tuv0k> just follow the instructions
[23:32] <Tuv0k> dare I say they are foolproof
[23:33] <Tuv0k> Alan, it will be out when its announced
[23:33] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Might want to hold off on that.  If those packages are necessary for PulseAudio to function, why aren't they installed by default?
[23:33] <Alan> Tuv0k, fair enough, i'll stop being so impatient :)
[23:33] <Tuv0k> swuboo, spend some more time reading and applying those directions
[23:34] <Tuv0k> you may find that they are installed, but I doubt you have done anything at this point
[23:34] <Alan> I'm stuck in an annoying position where the Beta was too unstable, but i wont have the time to do the upgrade when the final release comes out :(
[23:34] <Alan> and i've had good experience with Ubuntu RC
[23:34] <Alan> so...
[23:34]  * Alan crosses fingers
[23:34] <Tuv0k> Alan, you wonlt have time to type a string into a term?
[23:35] <Alan> Tuv0k, heh, I prefer to install new versions from scratch
[23:35] <Tuv0k> then why bother with the RC?
[23:35] <Tuv0k> why not just wait til final?
[23:35] <Alan> I've never had a distro handle an upgrade 100%, and usually a lot of junk gets left behind
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> mine worked PERFECTLY.... Iw as very amazed... it was my first upgrade
[23:36] <Alan> Tuv0k, because the RC is usually really stable, and after the 20th I have no time for about 2 weeks
[23:36] <Tuv0k> well I'm the wrong person to talk to about the religion of clean installs
[23:36] <Tuv0k> I think its a complete waste of time
[23:36] <Tuv0k> unless something goes completely wrong
[23:36] <Alan> Tuv0k, also, i'm taking the opportunity to move between hard drives
[23:36] <Tuv0k> or new hardware as you say
[23:36] <Alan> But... i like to maintain a known-working install while making a new install
[23:37] <Some_Person> Why won't they ever change the ubuntu theme?
[23:37] <user1> RoC_MasterMind ya how can i do it
[23:37] <Tuv0k> but I have challenged myself to maintain my old box and just upgrade
[23:37] <Tuv0k> I learn more from upgrading than clean installs
[23:37] <Ciantic> Firefox rendering is really slow hmm
[23:37] <Tuv0k> the only kick out of a clean install is to see the new installer
[23:37] <x1250> clean installs are a pain in the ass
[23:37] <Tuv0k> indeed
[23:38] <Tuv0k> I don't like starting from scratchola
[23:38] <x1250> I managed to keep my desktop with debian for 2.5 years, no reinstallation, till my hd died
[23:38] <brynjolf> !bugs
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[23:38] <Some_Person> i have always been a clean install kind of guy, but this time, i think i'll make an exception
[23:38] <Tuv0k> x1250, me too
[23:38] <Alan> Tuv0k, heh, I've had enough upgrade issues keeping me on my toes to last a while (used to be a desktop Gentoo user)
[23:38] <Ciantic> most of the pages work, but gmail is *really* slow
[23:38] <Ciantic> especially during scrolling
[23:38] <shadow420> I don't mess with upgrading to many problems
[23:38] <Tuv0k> Alan, then an upgrade should be cake for a "gentoo user" whatever that is these days
[23:39] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  I did, in fact, have all the non -dev and -dbg packages on that list.
[23:39] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Nevertheless, I've done the conf and user group hacks it recommended, let's see if it worked.
[23:39] <Tuv0k> swuboo, now you just need to make pulse the default sound server
[23:39] <Tuv0k> setting my man
[23:39] <Tuv0k> /etc/pulse
[23:39] <Tuv0k> follow the instructions
[23:39] <Alan> Tuv0k, heh, Gentoo user from a couple of years ago, i don't know what it's like these days... but yeah, the reason I moved to Ubuntu is I got fed up of the time spent troubleshooting rather than using my desktop
[23:40] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Pulse has been the default audio server; Pulse is working fine, has been for days.
[23:40] <Tuv0k> swuboo, I just set mine up on this box, because it was not default as advertised, so I feel your pain
[23:40] <Alan> However, if the Hardy upgrade really is that good, i may make a leap of faith
[23:40] <Some_Person> I remember installing gutsy, the installer wouldn't work. I had to install feisty and then upgrade to gutsy.
[23:40] <shadow420> hey I am have 2 kernels in my grub menu.list how do I remove the old one from my install plaus from grub
[23:40] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Well, I'm gonna restart X, see if the wiki stuff worked; I'll be back in a moment.
[23:40] <Alan> Everybody i knew had Feisty->Gutsy upgrade issues
[23:40] <akio> anybody got a link for info on how to use pulse to setup a home sound network?
[23:40] <Tuv0k> Alan, agreed, I moved for that exact reason, and that was when ubuntu first dropped
[23:40] <Alan> And Edgy->Feisty issues
[23:40] <Tuv0k> swuboo, x has nothing to do with it
[23:41] <Some_Person> Feisty --> Gutsy was easy for me, so I'm going to try Gutsy --> Hardy in 9 days
[23:41] <shadow420> 7 days
[23:41] <Alan> Tuv0k, I've only been on ubuntu since 6.10
[23:41] <Tuv0k> I did gutsy> to hardy the day hardy dropped
[23:41] <shadow420> u mean
[23:41] <Alan> Actually, the 6.10 RC
[23:41] <Some_Person> i've been using ubuntu since 5.10
[23:41] <Some_Person> i was in 6th grade
[23:41] <user1>  using linux,i have some friends sharing my internet. i have 30k vacant and 3 friends. is there a way that i define the combine band limit for 3 users combined as 30 k . not 10k for each. that way if 2 are  online they can share 15k each. and if all 3 are online. they will be spreaded 10k each in managed behaviour. any way.i have a dlink switch. and in futer i may take a fourth one and give him a dedicated 20k limit alone. so i need control?
[23:41] <Tuv0k> on one machine all I had was a feisty disk, and did a feisty >gutsy>hardy is one sitting
[23:41] <Tuv0k> NO problems
[23:42] <shadow420> I started ubuntu at 5.10 if i remember correctly
[23:42] <Tuv0k> user1, you want bandwidth throttling
[23:42] <DanaG> Handy thing: dd-wrt router.
[23:42] <Some_Person> 5.10 was a pain to install, i remember GRUB failing to install and having to use LILO, and having no usplash
[23:43] <Tuv0k> ouch
[23:43] <Alan> I'm also wondering if i should switch to 64-bit...
[23:43] <user1> Tuv0k whats that. how to get it
[23:43] <Tuv0k> I really don't remember my first was it warty install
[23:43] <Ciantic> Guys! This must be fixed before release, it is still affecting performance http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=708928
[23:43] <Tuv0k> !google | user1
[23:43] <ubotu> user1: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[23:43] <Some_Person> plus the nvidia driver didn't support my card back then. i had to use VESA
[23:43] <Alan> So another thing that does preclude me from upgrading...
[23:43] <user1> Tuv0k i need human advice on apps
[23:43] <Tuv0k> it must have went smooth because I stuck with ubuntu
[23:43] <shadow420> hey I am have 2 kernels in my grub menu.list how do I remove the old one from hardy plus from grub?
[23:43] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Heh.  Well, now ALSA apps don't crash, but they also don't produce sound even if they're they only sound-producing software running.
[23:43] <Tuv0k> !apps | user1
[23:43] <ubotu> user1: A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[23:44] <Some_Person> dapper was almost a smooth install, except i remember having to have to manually type "gdm" on the first boot
[23:44] <user1> Tuv0k theres a diff b/w list and prefered humand choices
[23:45] <shadow420> well at least for KDE I can still use Xchat
[23:45] <shadow420> am I hiding or what?
[23:45] <Tuv0k> !manners | users1
[23:45] <ubotu> users1: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:45] <Tuv0k> !manners | user1
[23:45] <Some_Person> edgy was.... well.... it wasn't great
[23:45] <ubotu> user1: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:46] <geekthras> Hi, my friend is having issues with Hardy - every other startup or so - instead of loading, it goes to busybox 1.1.3
[23:46] <geekthras> How can he fix this / boot up ubuntu from there?
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> geekthras: is he switching between kernels?
[23:46] <Some_Person> finally, feisty and gutsy have been excellently stable and easy to install, and i expect the same from hardy
[23:46] <brynjolf> Quick question, for me usplash works then I get a console screen telling me its Reading the boot files and then the rest of the login is commandline only, is that normal? (it still boots perfectly into GDM)
[23:46] <user1> Tuv0k whats the problem?
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> brynjolf: happens to me too
[23:46] <geekthras> nosrednaekim: he's only just starting with Linux in general
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> I never reboot though, so It doesn't bother me
[23:47] <Tuv0k> you don't take your answers for answers, and you have a lazy attitude
[23:47] <shadow420> brynjolf I had no problems installing gutsy
[23:47] <brynjolf> nosrednaekim, thank you, just wanted to make sure, perfect answer =)
[23:47] <Tuv0k> but thats just my opinion
[23:47] <user1> !manners | Tuv0k
[23:47] <ubotu> Tuv0k: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:47] <shadow420> !kick user1
[23:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick user1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> geekthras: ok... well, is it purely random? can he make sure the hard drive cables are in tight?
[23:48] <Exilant> geekthras: probably some serious error occured, failure to mount or sth., what does the computer say?
[23:48] <user1> shadow420 whats your problem?
[23:48] <shadow420> user1 I have 2 kernels in my grub menu.list how do I remove the old one from hardy plus from grub?
[23:49] <Exilant> shadow420: why don't you just uninstall it?
[23:50] <shadow420> Exilant how do I uninstall then?
[23:50] <user1> shadow420 you may want to uninstall it from synaptic
[23:50] <geekthras> Exilant, nosrednaekim: Waiting on an answer, but I doubt it's hard drive cables - windows still boots fine
[23:50] <user1> shadow420  I think the removal from grub is automatic, plus you get space freed
[23:51] <nosrednaekim> geekthras: does he have more than one Har drive?
[23:51] <Tuv0k> !ebox | user1
[23:51] <ubotu> user1: ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[23:51] <Exilant> shadow420, in your prefered package manager, search for linux-image, remove the older one
[23:51] <shadow420> Exilant ok thans
[23:51] <Tuv0k> user1, it has bandwidth monitoring
[23:51] <Exilant> then do apt-get autoremove to also remove headers
[23:51] <shadow420> Exilant ok thanks
[23:51] <geekthras> he says it's 2/3 of the time, it sounds like it's going straight to busybox without loading anything else
[23:51] <Exilant> np, you're welcome
[23:51] <geekthras> nosrednaekim: nope
[23:52] <Tuv0k> user1, if you don't know what bandwidth monitoring is, that is what your web browser and google, and wikipedia is for
[23:52] <shadow420> Exilant since I am using a KDE it would Adept
[23:52] <Tuv0k> user1, or you could try webmin
[23:52] <user1> Tuv0k i obviously know that
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> geekthras: tell him to try booting another kernel... maybe the recovery one
[23:52] <Tuv0k> or you could try a seperate bix, and install clarkconnect
[23:52] <Tuv0k> box
[23:52] <user1> Tuv0k but i need control. like joint bandwidth limit for 3 ips.
[23:53] <Tuv0k> I just gave you the keys to the city dude
[23:53] <Tuv0k> take them
[23:53] <user1> Tuv0k is it possible with wondershaper and ebox?
[23:53] <Tuv0k> plz
[23:53] <Exilant> shadow420: you can also modify your menu.lst to always just show the last installed kernel, but then the kernel is still there consuming space
[23:53] <geekthras> nosrednaekim: what will that be named again?
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> geekthras: kernel-name (recovery mode)
[23:53] <shadow420> Exilant true I can modify it easly
[23:53] <Exilant> search for howmany= ... in /boot/menu.lst ... but i guess it's a bad idea to set it to one
[23:55] <geekthras> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll come back if it doesn't work
[23:56] <shadow420> Exilant well I also have XP and ubuntu Gusty on my PC as well
[23:56] <x0x> how do i install tcl8.4?
[23:56] <shadow420> x8x sudo apt-get install libtcl-8.4
[23:57] <swuboo> shadow420:  If you put the boot stanzas for Gutsy and XP outside of the area labelled AUTOMAGIC KERNEL and so forth, they won't be affected by howmany= or by any future automatic generations of menu.lst.
[23:57] <swuboo> shadow420:  If you're not worried about the hard drive space being taken up by old kernels, that's the easiest solution.
[23:58] <sysadm-myth> any exciting bugs ravaging the beta release
[23:58] <dwidmann> sysadm-myth: I think I know of one :( Well, somewhat of a bug
[23:59] <Tuv0k> !bugs
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[23:59] <shadow420> swuboo thanks but I rather save as much room as possible so I am removing the old kernel
[23:59] <sysadm-myth> dwidmann: ??