=== emgent is now known as bakunin === bakunin is now known as emgent [04:08] where does ubuntu get the logos on the main site ( http://www.ubuntu.com/ ) (e.g. the blue question mark on the left, or the cd's in the download section...) [04:16] Know tell me if my modem trustmd4050 serves to force a spitter ... because does not connect to ubuntu: ( [04:16] splitter* [04:27] TheMuso: ping [04:44] Amaranth: have you looked at james_w's patch in bug #118936, by chance? [04:44] Launchpad bug 118936 in alacarte "Alacarte does not recover deleted menu items" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118936 [04:46] yeah, that was a goofy bug on my part [04:46] but it only makes undo work, not revert [04:47] i have no idea how to make revert work [04:47] well, should we be trying to get the fix for "undo" in at least? [04:48] yeah [04:49] ... and is this patch a good one for it? :) [04:50] it looks like it, haven't tried it [04:50] will do so tomorrow [04:50] ok, thanks [04:53] slangasek, about bug #191027, i can't reproduce it on my hardy machine [04:53] Launchpad bug 191027 in totem ""Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument"" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191027 [04:54] nenolod: well, nor mine [04:54] however, i saw something else on pulse 0.9.10 which seems related [04:54] i'll try to reproduce that [04:58] slangasek, anyway, "Invalid argument" says to me that it's trying to connect to a dead socket [04:59] which I have seen before [04:59] follow sent :) [04:59] followup* === imbrando1 is now known as imbrandon [05:08] nenolod: ok, cheers [05:12] i made a scary amount of typos there [05:18] slangasek: You called? [05:19] TheMuso: yes, was hoping you could have a look at bug #191027 [05:19] Launchpad bug 191027 in totem ""Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument"" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191027 [05:19] slangasek: I'll be uploaded moblin-{applets,media} in the next hour or so if I can bug you to accept them? [05:20] Sigh. [05:20] I can type, some days [05:20] slangasek: I see its marked invalid. Is there still an issue? [05:20] StevenK: you should get it approved by motu-release so I don't have to think about it :) [05:21] StevenK: looks like i can accept them, too [05:21] slangasek: It's all in bug 181150 [05:21] Launchpad bug 181150 in moko "[FFe] moko contains a shared library with no soname/dev package handling" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181150 [05:21] *and* am part of motu release [05:21] oh, meh, that's new package [05:21] That's done [05:21] slangasek: can deal with them [05:21] TheMuso: it's "invalid" for totem, "new" for pulseaudio [05:21] Hobbsee: thanks :) [05:21] slangasek: Oh ok. [05:21] This is part #2, and #3, getting the rdepends to use it [05:21] TheMuso: someone should've reassigned it to pulseaudio much, much earlier :) [05:22] slangasek: Right. Will have a look. [05:22] * StevenK wonders if he has free reign to upload the other two packages [05:33] morning guys [05:38] * TheMuso sighs. [05:38] The trouble with things like this is when you have working hardwrae, this sort of thing is hard to track down by asking the users to do things for you... [05:38] well, yes :) [05:39] I was hoping you might be more adept at it than I given this particular piece of software though :) [05:47] Right, for some of it at least, I think its to do with alsa, but I'm not 100% sure yet., [05:50] slangasek: The problem with setting up alsa apps to use pulseaudio in alsa-lib, is doing it in a way tha tdoesn't affect those desktops not using pulse, i.e KDE and XFCE. [05:51] mm, ok [05:51] yes, trickier then [05:51] And while all applications can use the default alsa device, not all apps can be set to use a custom asoundrc config, let alone choose another card to use. [05:52] Due to either their UIs, configs, or alsa support implementations. [05:52] yes [05:52] Added to that, we'd have to seed libasound2-plugins. [05:53] it may be to better effect if you were to say this in the bug log - you don't need to convince me that it's a hairy proposition, I've had enough trouble just trying to get ekiga to work with my bluetooth headset ;) [05:54] Yeah I will. Just letting you know where things stand. [05:56] remorning fabbione [05:59] hey Hobbsee === Caesar_ is now known as Caesar [06:17] In python, is it possible to wait forever, until say a file exists? As in wait for an undefined length of time. The file will exist, but I just have to wait for it to do so. [06:23] nvm worked it out === asac_ is now known as asac [07:20] good morning [07:31] TheMuso: did you check out the envyng-core update? [07:33] <\sh> moins [07:36] <\sh> pitti, when you have time, could you review bug #211326 IMHO it's good when we would go with this version for hardy, regarding sec issues in future etc. [07:36] Launchpad bug 211326 in rsync "[Freeze Exception] Please update rsync to 3.0.x for hardy" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211326 [07:41] dholbach: It seems alright with me, but my python is not exactly strong. [07:41] dholbach: iS THERE A BUG ASSOCIATED WITH IT? [07:42] gah capslock [07:43] TheMuso: a few - hang on [07:44] bug 216303 (for one), looking for the others not referenced from the changelog [07:44] Launchpad bug 216303 in envy "EnvyNG crashes on latest hardy" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216303 [07:44] ok will have a look. [07:45] bug 216009 and bug 216184 too [07:45] Launchpad bug 216009 in envyng-core "pulse.py crashed with KeyError in process()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216009 [07:45] Launchpad bug 216184 in envyng-core "pulse.py crashed with KeyError in process()" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216184 [07:45] bug 216967 too [07:45] Launchpad bug 216967 in envyng-core "duplicate deb lines in envyng.list" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216967 [07:45] so 3 of 4 open envyng-core bugs :) [07:52] dholbach: If you are looking for a MOTU release ACK, then you have it. if you want me to officially do it in a bug, which one? [07:52] TheMuso: no, should be enough to let the archive admins know that you've ACKed the envyng-core upload [07:52] pitti, slangasek: ^ [07:58] dholbach, TheMuso: accepted [07:59] * dholbach hugs TheMuso and slangasek [08:01] cjwatson, evand: in an oem install is there suppoed to be a "oem-config-prepare icon"? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/OEMInstall says so in point 5 [08:08] cjwatson, evand: nevermind - my mistake [08:08] * calc hopes 3ubuntu5 is the last upload for OOo for hardy release :) [08:33] I guess it's too late for fixing grammatical mistake in the system-config-printer dialogue? [08:34] yes [08:34] string changes break translations [08:35] that's why I'm asking :) === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [08:38] hello, I could use some help with distcc here, if anyone is available this late :) === doko_ is now known as doko [08:41] asac: are there any firefox2 based browsers in hardy, do we need to register plugins for those? [08:42] there's firefox-2, if that counts as "based" :) [08:59] cjwatson: is there any way to embed environment variables in ~/.ssh/config ? I'd like to set GSSAPIAuthentication depending on my host name and location. [09:00] (and would avoid rewriting that file on login, if possible..) [09:08] mvo: morning [09:08] mvo: just FF3 on eng upgrade do you want the log files uploading to the bug I opened for comparison? [09:13] Good morning [09:14] <\sh> moins pitti [09:14] why does the encrypted lvm installation take ages to complete in the mke2fs step? [09:16] dholbach: Is it zeroing the partition/drive? [09:16] TheMuso: I created a new disk image using qemu-img before [09:16] dholbach: Right. [09:19] what exactly do I have to do when I have a debdiff for a package in main that propably needs ACKing/sponsoring? (bug 195508) [09:19] Launchpad bug 195508 in system-config-printer "applet.py crashed with AttributeError in check_for_jobs()" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195508 [09:20] afflux: subscribe ubuntu-release and ubuntu-main-sponsors [09:21] does timing matter? ie. both at the same time or -sponsors after I got the ack? [09:21] davmor2: thanks for confirming this, I think its fine, just a note should be enough [09:23] zul: nagios is still problematic; can you please fix the seeds to not have nagios-plugins? (since you kept the strict dependency to -extra) [09:25] mvo: I was asked to look at bug 91814, and since lowering the priority of the question doesn't help, cjwatson suggested that perhaps it should be preseeded in the dist-upgrader. Do you have any thoughts/other suggestions? [09:25] Launchpad bug 91814 in openssl "libssl0.9.8 config asking me 'which services should be restarted to make them use the new lbraries?'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91814 [09:26] hrm, why is lowering the question priority not enough? [09:26] slangasek: I don't know at this point... was critical, I tried high, but made no difference. [09:27] mvo: no problems [09:27] TheMuso: high is the level we display, medium will not be displayed. let me have a quick look at the report [09:27] TheMuso: the default behavior is to show debconf questions of priority high or greater [09:28] dholbach: it doesn't know you zeroed it - but there should be a "Cancel" button on the progress bar to skip the erasing [09:28] Right. cjwatson also thought that if one was using apt-get on the console to upgrade, it might be a question that should be asked. [09:28] that's fair [09:28] cjwatson: ahhhhh, I thought that's completely cancel the installation [09:29] the bug was all "if I'm doing a complete OS upgrade and going to be shutting stuff down anyway" [09:29] cjwatson: that's very nice then [09:29] dholbach: nah, there's a bug about the UI I think [09:29] at the moment the text of that particular button is installer-wide [09:29] so it's a bit of work to improve ... [09:30] Mithrandir: I don't think so, sorry :( you can certainly set it in individual Host blocks, but that might not be good enough [09:30] cjwatson: if it's planned to be fixed at some stage - that's cool [09:30] TheMuso: I will add some information to the bugreport, we had a similar issue with libc6 [09:31] mvo: Ok. [09:31] cjwatson: yeah, though what I want to do is have it in revision control and having different configs for that value (and possibly others) depending on what machine I'm on. [09:31] cjwatson: and I'm trying to avoid using branches, since branches = work. [09:34] TheMuso: updated [09:36] mvo: Ok will look into that further, thanks. [09:38] dfsfs [09:39] hey !! any 1 wonna chat a litle [09:40] Xcfdj: try #ubuntu-offtopic [09:41] mvo: I new the upgrade machine now so are you sure you don't need any logs before I wipe it? [09:41] s/new/need [09:42] davmor2: hm, yeah, attach them to be on the safe side :) [09:42] mvo: np's [09:43] thanks! [09:43] so guys , I've got some stupid old machine that runs on ubuntu . and the 3d effectes are not anabled . so any one knows what are the minimal requarments for anabling the effects ? [09:46] Xcfdj: you should join the #ubuntu channel if you need support === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [09:55] <\sh> if anyone is testing vmware + ubuntu-server (or desktop) please test the guided partioning step...I just had grub failing to install with this...manual partitioning with separated /boot partition works [09:57] \sh: I would appreciate the logs from your installation [09:58] (I haven't used vmware for a while, and my installation has almost certainly bitrotted given how much maintenance it needed when I was using it actively) [09:59] <\sh> cjwatson, I'll redo the installation later on, and provide it in a bug report...I'll ping you with the bug number then :) [09:59] \sh: also, what image were you installing? [09:59] <\sh> cjwatson, ubuntu-server from cdimages [10:00] <\sh> the last daily which is available up to now... [10:00] ok [10:08] hi all [10:08] does ls sort by unicode on hardy now [10:08] +? [10:08] it's very odd having dotnames in the middle of the ls output [10:08] even folders appear now in the middle [10:09] mitsuhiko: "sort by Unicode" is not meaningful; the sort order is defined by the value of LC_COLLATE in your locale, which for most languages causes dots to be ignored for sorting, yes [10:09] if you don't like it, export LC_COLLATE=C [10:10] * slangasek nods [10:10] hmm [10:11] that would affect applications too [10:12] anything that uses glibc's idea of alphabetical sorting, yes [10:30] Hmm, the last two days my system has been in a state where firefox would fail to open and clicking system->shut down wouldn't bring up a shutdown window (while System was highlighted in orange)... [10:31] Doing this also locks up the entire top bar really [10:32] doko: could you please have a look at bug #215839 ? [10:32] Launchpad bug 215839 in python-central "Hardy upgrage gedit update fails and crashes X" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215839 [10:34] mvo: ok, trying to do so today === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:47] hi tkamppeter [10:47] tkamppeter: what are foomatic-db-gutenprint and ijsgutenprint? They do not have any reverse dependencies any more, and want to go to universe [11:04] Is http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/hardy/new/ the correct place to check whether a particular upload is waiting for approval? [11:04] I'm looking for mobile-basic-flash 0.43 [11:04] lool: no, that would be 'unapproved', not 'new' [11:04] Thanks [11:10] lool: You want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx [11:16] * seb128_ lunch too [11:16] I'll be back in an hour [11:18] Fujitsu: Cool, thanks [11:20] Hi all, is anyone looking into the 'missing binaries from bluez-utils' bug? [11:25] slytherin: hadn't heard of it, what's that? [11:27] cjwatson: binaries like hidd, pand are removed in favour of some new dbus method. But users are not able to use newer method and complaining about this drastic change in user experience. Due to this they are not able to connect keyboards/mice or make PAN connections. [11:28] slytherin, do you have a bug about that ? [11:29] ogra: there are two, let me find them. [11:29] slytherin: oh, sorry, I thought you meant missing binary packages (which would have been an archive problem) [11:29] "some new dbus method" is a bit vague :) [11:31] ogra: yes it as vague as I am telling. Even I am not sure how it works. Tollef agreed to buy a bluetooth keyboard and look into the matter but I am not able to find him online for some time. So not sure of the status. [11:31] ogra: bug 191704 and bug 192043 [11:31] Launchpad bug 191704 in bluez-utils "hidd binary removed form bluez-utils package unable to connect as a result" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191704 [11:31] Launchpad bug 192043 in bluez-utils "latest bluez-utils is missing /usr/bin/pand" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192043 [11:40] pitti: done [11:42] zul: thanks [11:44] Good god. [11:45] WTF [11:45] Something overwrote my LSB release details with some SkoleLinux/etch info. [11:45] Fujitsu: You're running SkoleLinux/etch now! [11:46] I do have every Gutsy package possible installed on that system, but I wouldn't have expected them to overwrite such things... [11:46] Fujitsu, likely debian-edu [11:47] have fun sorting out what cfengine changed all over your system :P [11:49] Yay, do-release-upgrade works now. [11:51] <\sh> cjwatson, re: grub phew...hating wget for not overwriting files but adding .N where N gt > 0 ;) the problem was an old -server daily iso image :( now using the correct one *grmpf* [11:52] \sh, another reason o use rsync :) [11:52] ah yes, I asked because it was a known bug in at least one image [11:52] *to [11:52] Should a package really do nasty evil things merely by being installed? [11:52] Fujitsu, in case od debian-edu thats a yes [11:52] it mangles lots of stuff in /etc via cfengine [11:52] <\sh> ogra, _if_ you can rsync ;) [11:52] <\sh> +use [11:52] Blurgh. [11:53] \sh, another reason to have zsync on the servers then :) [11:54] <\sh> ogra, well, too late..it cost me at least 4 installation tries to prove that layer 8 had a bug ;) [11:55] cjwatson: am I right in presuming that our updated kboot should be in the daily live today? [11:56] could someone of motu release team review bug 216698 ? [11:57] jeromeg: Subscribed motu-release? [11:57] You might want to poke in #-motu [11:57] Fujitsu: yes [11:57] Fujitsu: ok i'll [11:57] munckfish: only once it gets built ... ;-) [11:58] munckfish: it's release time, so images tend to be built only when necessary; but I understand there's a new batch building at the moment [11:58] cjwatson: oh I c [11:58] it's difficult to tell whether we're on it, cause [11:59] <\sh> pitti, thx :) [11:59] it's not in a package, and ofcourse otheros.bld doesn't include a version number in it's title [11:59] Can someone please remind me how to turn off SCIM ? I have created an Ubuntu chroot and for some unknown reasons SCIM appeared. Of course I don't need it as those computers will run on fr_CH.UTF-8 [12:01] pitti: so language-pack-gnome-de-base is the one i should put this mozilla thing in for the important languages, right? [12:02] (or without -base) ? [12:02] asac: it doesn't matter much whether it's -base or -de; however, my first upload will have them in -base [12:02] munckfish: yeah, I know, sorry [12:02] munckfish: the code is: [12:02] KBOOTDEB="$($BASEDIR/tools/apt-selection cache show ps3-kboot | \ [12:02] grep ^Filename | awk '{print $2}')" [12:02] ar p "$MIRROR/$KBOOTDEB" data.tar.gz | tar -xzf - -C . ./boot/otheros.bld [12:02] mv boot/otheros.bld PS3/otheros/ [12:02] rmdir boot [12:02] munckfish: so it just needs to be in the archive in advance of the build [12:02] asac: but I don't have an LP export yet, so I can't prepare new ones until tomorrow [12:02] pitti: ok ill do that too now [12:03] pitti: thats fine [12:03] ill use the ones i produced on rookery for now [12:03] asac: ok; so you'll do manual uploads of the top-5 languages or so? [12:03] pitti: right. starting with -de now :) [12:03] pitti: version will just have CURRENTubuntu1 [12:03] cjwatson: eh? you mean that's how it gets on the cd then? [12:03] in case you bother [12:03] asac: right, to pick a *completely* arbitrary language :-P [12:04] asac: version is fine [12:04] great [12:04] munckfish: yes [12:04] :) [12:06] slytherin, hmm, that intresting, nothing in any of the changelogs indicates why it was dropped [12:07] cjwatson: are the cd build daemons monitor thru LP like the normal daemons? [12:07] pitti: ok -de-base is tested and going up [12:08] munckfish: no, afraid not [12:08] ok [12:08] ogra: any chance it was dropped on debian side? [12:08] I'll just wait then [12:08] anyone can tell me why my bash completion doesn't work here sine a week or so? [12:08] munckfish: what are you looking for? [12:08] e.g. tab doesn't show any suggestions :( [12:09] slytherin: 11:55 cjwatson: am I right in presuming that our updated kboot should be in the daily live today? [12:09] cjwatson: thanks. :-) [12:10] slytherin: what he said [12:12] slytherin, probably, i dont know [12:12] slytherin, but it looks like a droped ./configure option [12:13] munckfish: When did you upload it? The build time is specified on the iso list page. I am assuming the time is UTC. You can make a guess about if it was included? [12:13] slytherin: I already dealt with the quetsion [12:14] question [12:14] pitti: in which seeds are the language packs that get on CD again? [12:14] slytherin: I indicated that it is not in the current build, but will be in the next one [12:14] slytherin: no need for further analysis :) [12:14] asac: ship and live [12:15] slytherin: yes I noted yesterday's live daily was done just a few hours before the new ps3-kboot was uploaded [12:15] asac: ship -> alternates, ship-live -> desktops, dvd -> well, dvd :) [12:15] cjwatson: Ok, I will keep my mouth shut. :-D [12:16] pitti: there are zero langpacks in ship-live [12:16] pitti: the language packs are actually in live, not ship-live [12:16] ah, right, my fault [12:16] (because they need to go on the live filesystem; ship-live is the apt archive that lives alongside it [12:16] ogra: The changelog entry for 3.26-0ubuntu4 is - enable dund, so that palm pilot ppp-over-BT works. - But it doesn't mention how it was done. I will try to check it tonight and if done then will submit debdiff. [12:16] ) [12:17] hmm we ship es xh??? and pt [12:17] whats xh? [12:17] xhosa? [12:17] why is that on CD? [12:17] slytherin, ping me if nobody reacts in time for a post RC upload, i'll see what we can do [12:17] asac, for africa [12:18] and no fr/de? [12:18] strange [12:18] its tiny [12:18] ogra: I will ping you as soon as I upload debdiff. [12:18] thanks [12:19] we prioritised xh because it was a specially commissioned translation for Ubuntu [12:20] it hasn't been maintained, and over time it has become a bit useless due to staleness, but at the same time that means the language packs are small and not much of a cost [12:20] ok thanks [12:20] so where can i find a list of most popular ones? [12:20] asac, pitti usually has one hidden on rookery [12:21] http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts/langpacksize has the priority order up top [12:21] I believe that's still our canonical ordering [12:21] right [12:21] ok ill levave out xh :) [12:25] ogra: xh has no translation for firefox ... you think you can kick someone in africa to do that translation? or isn't it worth it? it can be done in launchpad now ;) [12:25] seb128: hm, seems the patch in bug 150193 didn't work as expected? shall I remove it from -proposed? [12:25] Launchpad bug 150193 in gdm "Remote Login via XDMCP is not working in Ubuntu Gusty/7.10" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150193 [12:26] ogra: its just 7000 strings ;) [12:28] pitti: I don't really care either way, the patch is from upstream and fixes some issues I think but maybe not everything, but I don't expect many people will keep running gutsy and I've enough to do without chasing this one === warp10_ is now known as warp10 [12:29] seb128: a test for 'does not introduce apparent regressions' would be enough for me FWIW [12:29] seb128: ok, I'll followup on the bug again, thanks [12:30] pitti: thank you [12:30] pitti: ill do de, fr (both done) ... and now es, pt. maybe ill do chinese and jp as well [12:31] asac: you might want to check if the CJKs are on the CDs anyway, since they are very big [12:31] pitti: they are not on CD i guess. ill just do those for the funkyness :) [12:31] asac: I wouldn't mind; for network installs, people will get the fresh ones from Thursday anyway [12:32] asac, heh, ask sabdf1 :) [12:32] he might know africans to help out [12:32] s/mind/bother/ [12:32] ogra: hehe ... thought it was your edubuntu that lead to xh :) [12:32] nah [12:32] that pedates edubuntu [12:32] *pre [12:33] ok sorry for bothering you then ;) [12:37] pitti: do you remember to remove mozilla- language packs from any depends? [12:37] ogra: xh isn't a major commercial interest any more, afaik [12:37] asac: yes, that's done [12:37] pitti: those shouldn't be installed anymore. [12:37] asac: I demoted it this morning [12:37] it would obviously be good to have a community actually maintaining that translation [12:37] pitti: ok. so it makes sense that stgraber still got them installed today? [12:37] pitti: thanks [12:38] asac: hm, actually not [12:38] 'got' them installed, or 'has' them installed? they won't be removed automatically [12:38] at least not until today, since they were in main until a few hours ago [12:38] for final hardy, update-manager will uninstall them [12:38] pitti: it's in a chroot where I manually install ubuntu-desktop so I don't get exactly the same package list as on a standard system [12:39] pitti: the chroot was regenerated at ~11:00 this morning [12:39] cjwatson, well, but mark is african, he surely knows more africans than me or asac ... i didnt mean that in commercial context ;) [12:39] UTC+2 that's [12:40] erk, apparently Arne forgot to rebuild some l-support packages; doing that now [12:41] stgraber: but these only affect -be, -fy, and -mn; I doubt that you have those? [12:41] pitti: I don't [12:46] pitti: I don't see any reason why it would get installed, so probably something wrong with my chroot builder scripts ... [12:50] stgraber: can you verify please? [12:50] asac: I updated my script to fix some SCIM and locale problems, it's generating a new chroot at the moment [12:51] Riddell: dunno if you noticed bug 210443? [12:51] Launchpad bug 210443 in kmplayer "file overwrite error in hardy" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210443 [12:54] cjwatson: hmm, no, thanks will look [12:58] cjwatson, pitti: could you consider the nautilus update in the queue? === smarter_ is now known as smarter [13:10] seb128: I'm inclined to leave nautilus to post-RC, since it's largely cosmetic (well, a little more than that, but not a blocker) [13:25] If I am specifying more than one bug in changelog then is this format correct? LP: #191704, 192043 [13:30] (LP: #191704, #192043) [13:30] To make sure, you can check the resulting .changes file. [13:30] It's dpkg-source that parses the changelog entry. [13:30] It puts a Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: header into the .changes file which launchpad in turn parses. [13:31] slytherin: ^ [13:31] soren: Ok. Thanks. [13:32] ahh, vi now shows both the bug numbers in yellow colour. :-D [13:33] slytherin: Eh? What does? [13:33] Oh, vi. [13:33] I somehow read "vi" as "it". [13:33] reading is hard! [13:36] soren: it's actually dpkg-parsechangelog, but eh ;) (dpkg-parsechangelog |egrep '^Clo') [13:37] thom: Right you are. [13:54] seb128: I'm inclined to leave nautilus to post-RC, since it's largely cosmetic (well, a little more than that, but not a blocker) [13:59] cjwatson: is there some space between rc and hardy for changes? [13:59] I think so [13:59] ok [13:59] because I would prefer to get the "cd player starts after login if you have a cd in the drive" to be fixed for hardy [14:00] but your call [14:00] after rc is fine anyway [14:09] pitti, foomatic-db-gutenprint and ijsgutenprint are not needed for standard Ubuntu. Standard Ubuntu has everything needed in cupsys-driver-gutenprint. [14:09] tkamppeter: so we can safely demote them to universe? [14:10] foomatic-db-gutenprint and ijsgutenprint are needed by Kubuntu, as the KDE Printing Manager does not support the PPD generators of CUPS 1.2.x. KDE Printing Manager needs ready-made PPDs or the Foomatic XML database, it does not look up PPDs with "lpinfo -m". [14:11] Riddell, ping [14:11] tkamppeter: ok [14:12] so they should become dependencies of something or get seeded to desktop? [14:12] Riddell, is this correct, that Kubuntu still needs these two packages? [14:12] tkamppeter: yes I expect so [14:12] adding to kubuntu seed [14:12] cheers [14:14] Riddell, did you look at my mails about the GSoC students for the Common Printing Dialog? Is it OK with you to mentor them? [14:16] tkamppeter: you split them, one for UI and one for technical stuff? [14:21] Yes, but the technical stuff needs also to be mentored by an UI expert, as it is the communication between UI apps and the printing dialog. [14:21] bdmurray: did you get a chance to retest bug 181121? [14:21] Launchpad bug 181121 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] gl screensavers crash on amd64" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181121 [14:30] ScottK: I read you were working on a devscripts update to allow debsigning's Debian uploads; correct? O:-) [14:30] -'s [14:30] lool: It's waiting for approval by the release manager. [14:31] Cool [14:31] lool: I just grabbed the current debsign from Debian and stuffed it into our devscripts package. [14:31] Ok [14:31] Thanks [14:32] lool: No one has accepted it yet, so maybe you can help me out. The question I got, that I don't know the answer to is "do you know why the $DEBSIGN_ALWAYS_RESIGN variable is no longer honored in the new debsign?" [14:32] soren: Thanks for merging my ubuntu-jeos branch [14:32] I couldn't figure that one out. [14:32] lool: Thanks for doing it! :) [14:32] ScottK: Could it be a bug? [14:33] lool: It could be. It's not mentioned in debian/changelog. [14:33] lool: Would you have some time to look into it? [14:34] ScottK: are you a member of ubuntu-release? [14:34] ScottK: I'm still unpiling 4/5 days of email/TODOs, and I simply needed the new debsign, I don't have any strong interest in it [14:34] ScottK: I'm not particularly more powered to deal with it, I think [14:34] lool: OK. Thanks anyway. [14:35] afflux: I'm a member of motu-release (cares for Universe packages). [14:35] ScottK: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447955 [14:35] Debian bug 447955 in devscripts "[debsign] Add "always resign" variable" [Normal,Open] [14:35] ScottK: Could it be that the DEBSIGN_ALWAYS_RESIGN was an Ubuntu specific feature that you dropped when moving to the new debsign? [14:35] lool: Thanks. [14:35] lool: I'll look into that. [14:36] ah, okay. So your ACK for 195508 is not enough for me to get this sponsored? :) [14:36] ogra: I have attached debdiff to bug 191704. [14:36] Launchpad bug 191704 in bluez-utils "hidd binary removed form bluez-utils package unable to connect as a result" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191704 [14:36] lool: It it is, it wasn't a documented one (I always love it when that happens). [14:37]