[00:10] hmm [01:06] aaahh [01:20] aaahh? [01:21] øøøøøøh! [01:22] * mneptok farts demurely [01:22] LjL: lol nice :) [01:22] thænk yøu [01:22] LjL: is someone scandinavian supposed to spawn into the channel to yell at us :D [01:22] /invite magnetron [01:33] ööh? [01:33] dåh! [01:47] heh, ##u-u now has ubnotu [02:01] hah [02:05] ##u-u should have ubnoxious [02:05] mneptok: but we have you already [02:05] * mneptok *said* ##u-u! *sigh* [02:21] * Pici laughed [02:22] I laughed once. It was a thursday. [03:36] Why are the stats page so slow? [03:37] nevermind, I guess it was moved and your !stats flag is old [03:37] !stats [03:37] Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:38] can we help you with something, DrDerek? [03:38] nalioth - I figured it out, danke. [05:28] In ubotu, RAOF said: xrandr is XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [05:34] !xrandr is XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [05:34] I'll remember that, Hobbsee [05:35] Hobbsee: Ta; I seem to have forgotten the syntax there :) [05:35] :) [05:39] did the floodbots flood triggers get tightened up? [08:33] you know, I think there should be a symlink in irclogs.ubuntu.com so that you could dive in to the file structure of the logs not only by date but also by channel [09:29] I personally think it would increase the transparency [09:34] Myrtti, probably would if you'd like to figure how to automate it [09:34] In #ubuntu-server, Kamping_Kaiser said: ubotu, Squid is an industrial strength web proxy. Its flexability is matched only by the scaryness of its configuration file. [09:35] heh [09:35] * ompaul considers twacking karl on the head with a windows config file [09:36] squid is english language friendly ... very friendly [09:41] elkbuntu: I wish I had time :-< [10:34] asdf [10:34] test [10:38] a-ha [10:39] knowing me knowing you? [10:46] abba [10:49] Mez: I think partridge would be lost on non-uk peeps [10:50] ikonia, ;) [10:50] back of the net [12:24] PriceChild: the user neeto is a known troll, I'm not sure how many times he's done #ubuntu related channels but he's certainly done many others I'm in [12:44] !stats [12:44] Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [12:44] hm [12:48] @stats [12:48] I have 59 registered users with 30 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 2 admins. [12:53] its: [12:54] !stats-#ubuntu-offtopic [12:54] Statistics for this channel can be found at http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/ubuntu-offtopic.html [12:58] Which still hasnt loaded yet... [12:58] ubotu: forget stats-#ubuntu-offtopic [12:58] I'll forget that, Pici [14:13] bug 216529 [14:13] Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529 [14:13] launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime (and 1 others): "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] http://launchpad.net/bugs/216529 [14:14] ah ha [14:18] how have the floodbots been tonight? i've changed the paste code yesterday but i'd say they still seem a bit trigger happy from what i see in the logs [14:19] who's still in +1? [14:19] have you guys had troubles with eagles lately in there? [14:20] I havent seen him lately. [14:20] Hes been in #kubuntu though. [14:20] good or bad? [14:20] then again, he's OK as a user. still doesn't process information much though [14:20] Nothing bad sticks out in my mind. [14:21] * Hobbsee nods [14:21] he's likely going to come back here, as he's going to get the boot from #kubuntu-devel [14:21] (just as a FYI) [14:22] Are you going to be absent from here when he comes back? ;) [14:22] dunno [14:22] depends what time he comes. [14:23] refer him to me, i'll eventually end up speaking ot him, i expect. [14:23] or say that Hobbsee and apachelogger spoke to him in #kubuntu-devel about his behaviour, and that was the reason for his bans. [14:23] if he didn't read what we told him, then it's really not my problem [14:24] Hobbsee, ompaul: i would like to be unbanned from the motu channel [14:24] Hobbsee, you seem not to have ever wanted that ban lifted [14:25] is that the eagles you are referring to? [14:25] Yes. [14:25] Hobbsee, was here yesterday [14:25] ompaul: yes, that eagles. [14:25] ompaul: and i odn't want it lifted, no [14:25] for reference: [14:25] [23:25] what the fuck?[23:25] <-- seb128 has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). [14:25] [23:25] this guy uploaded *16* debdiffs to fix the bug, and it still looks like he's broken something. [14:26] Hobbsee, ok [14:26] * Pici feels like joining k-devel just to watch [14:26] Hobbsee, so did he do that in the last few hours? [14:26] ompaul: yeah [14:26] Pici: he's not there now. [14:27] Pici: but he's certainly there in the logs [14:27] !logs [14:27] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [14:27] ack [14:27] ompaul: this is why we're in a freeze. So idiots can get crap uploaded. [14:27] untested crap, no less. [14:28] untested & broken [14:29] yes [14:31] * Pici is reading logs [14:32] Pici, logs are worthless live in realtime ;-) [14:33] ompaul: Unless you have a time machine, this is the best I can do. [14:33] Pici, and if I did would I loan it ;-) [14:33] Exactly. [14:35] see, you're still arguing in favor of my idea of a replaying irc client. [14:35] Yes. [14:36] mine does replay. [14:36] it's called scrollback [14:37] Hobbsee: is ubuntu-eu "your" site [14:37] Hobbsee: that's just a log, and it's as worthless as logs if logs are worthless. [14:37] what i mean is an ability to go back to a given date and time for *all* channels concurrently, and then replay things in real time (or fast forward) [14:38] LjL: yeah, true [14:38] ahhh, right [14:38] ikonia: nope? [14:38] ikonia: why would it be? [14:38] and with all the highlights you'd normally get, etc [14:38] ah yeah. get them. [14:39] Hobbsee: didn't know, I saw you mention it and some of the content appears to be written by "a" person rther than a group so I just thought I'd ask [14:39] ikonia: what about it? [14:39] it's effectively a very fast forward [14:39] nothing [14:39] ikonia: no, don't think so [14:39] ikonia: i don't remember mentioning it [14:39] thats fine, I was just curious [14:39] Hobbsee: ooh, my highlight showed you mentioning the log host on it, [14:41] oh [16:22] ompaul: macrophone has been in ungregged for quite a while, I dont know how many times I've removed him from there. [16:37] ack [16:37] Each time with the message "please join #ubuntu" [16:53] sigh === Mez is now known as fishfinder === fishfinder is now known as Mez [17:02] * Pici attaches Mez to the boat [17:02] Pici, was a typo [17:03] was meant to be fishfinger [17:03] went the wrong way from f [17:03] even weirder [17:03] Fish dont have fingers [17:04] finger as in a measurement ;) [17:06] finger as a measurement? [17:07] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/finger <-- 3/4/6 [17:12] what the hell [17:12] ze French? [17:13] have you never heard of a fish finger? [17:13] no [17:14] Pici: thats very sad... [17:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishfinger [17:14] eyes on chuy please [17:14] in #ubuntu [17:14] the bot just told me he knows nothing about kirby [17:14] sing me a song thats not very long, birds eye fishfingers... [17:14] I mean, wth [17:14] just out of the blue [17:15] he's starting....... [17:15] Myrtti: Where? [17:15] Myrtti: it's kirby-#ubuntu-offtopic [17:15] Pici: in a pm [17:16] hmm, fishfingers. [17:16] ikonia, why chuy ? [17:16] ok, I'm officially not understanding, nevermind [17:16] Mez: known troll [17:17] seemed rather polite to me... [17:17] @btlogin [17:17] yes, he is being polite [17:17] he normally just starts being random and abusive when he doesn't get the responses he likes [17:18] But chuy and chuy_max are two different people... as I've learned the hard way. [17:19] uh [17:19] 12:18:53 Sorry, I don't know anything about it was aubade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [17:20] Indeed, and I havent seent chuy_max troll since Jan.. [17:20] (reading my backlog) [17:20] (and the bt) [17:22] I've seen chuy a few times [17:22] but granted he's being nice [17:22] chuy came in here and threatened that he was some big name hacker and then cursed me out in a query etc... [17:22] last 2 bans were in -ot ... [17:23] and they have nothing but the join in the log [17:23] chuy_max is a nice guy [17:23] before that - 3 in #uf [17:23] and then a few before that [17:23] Pici: yes, thats how I remember chuy also [17:23] but it seems nothing since Jan [17:23] Pici: wasn't chuy the guy who threatened to post on blogs [17:24] ikonia: I think so. [17:24] yes, VERY nasty guy [17:24] On Digg too [17:24] yes, just got the log [17:24] it was him [17:24] and his friend [17:25] is it the same guy? or another chuy - that sounds like a commmon east asian name to me... [17:25] Dunno [17:25] his nick is registered [17:25] ok [17:25] it appeared in my notify list [17:25] I assume the same guy [17:33] chuy is using a similar ip address (slightly different) both nonexistant on ripe as his previous trolling [17:33] just as an FYI [17:33] ikonia: Thanks [17:36] ikonia, it's not on RIPE as it's an ARIN IP ... [17:36] ahhh well found [17:36] is it the same isp ? [17:36] I didn't lookup the old Ip [17:37] ah [17:37] differnet ISP's [17:38] yes. [17:38] iirc, he either was using to threatening to use a proxy last time around anyway. [17:40] yes, his "friend" the l33t hacker can bypass anything etc etc [17:40] his behaviour is quite different though [17:40] but at the same time his nick is registered [17:40] hes not identified as chiu [17:40] er, chuy [17:41] the current one isn't identified ? [17:41] Anyway, I think it would just be best to wait for trollish behavior [17:41] ikonia: correct. [17:41] format_identify.pl for irssi is nice [17:41] he shows as idenitied for me [17:42] now he's not [17:42] your right [17:42] I wasn't saying kick him or anything, just "eyes open" [17:42] he slipped in under the rader [17:42] his IP only stands out in the dynamic pool on sorbs.. nothing else [17:49] Pici: what's it do? [17:50] tonyyarusso: if you do capab identify-msg, you can change the way it tells you if someone is identified or not. [17:50] tonyyarusso: you could make identified people green, and others red for example [17:54] PriceChild: Oooh, that's cool. [17:56] just grabbed it myself [18:00] tonyyarusso: ikonia: beware, once you turn identify-msg on, the only way to turn it off is a disconnect. [18:01] PriceChild: worth know, thank you [18:09] I have it setup to put a ? in front of unidentified nicks [18:16] can the ban for *!*jesus@* in #ubuntu be removed please ? [18:16] no [18:16] Why? [18:16] I mean to profx. [18:16] yeah, got it [18:16] thanks ompaul [18:17] uh, okay. [18:17] Pici, hehe I told him no in #ubuntu without thinking and then he arrives here and gets the same [18:18] we would not allow bighairy $other deity so why allow that [18:18] lesshaste, how can we help you [18:18] fuzzy iirc [18:18] hi ompaul [18:18] Pici, seen more than one in my time ;-) [18:18] I have no problem, just came here to browse :) [18:18] but yeas [18:19] !idle [18:19] Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [18:19] is there #ubuntu-ops-ops where I can discuss this policy? [18:19] :) [18:19] This isnt a library ;) [18:19] thats the browsing me guesses ;-) [18:19] I don't agree with the policy if it makes any difference [18:20] but I don't want to waste your time discussing it [18:21] you would need to explain why you don't agree with it, this place is transparent with loggin [18:21] ok [18:21] basically because justice needs not only to be done but also to be seen to be done [18:22] well you can see the logs if you like [18:22] cases of abuse questions are dealt with here [18:22] it shouldn't be a secret [18:22] !logs [18:22] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [18:22] yes I can read the court records [18:22] this channel is logged [18:22] but can't I watch the trial? [18:22] no [18:22] lesshaste: depends on the country, but not always [18:23] jdong: that is sort of my point [18:23] there are countries where you can't watch trials [18:23] but is this taking after one of those? [18:23] this is irc [18:23] lesshaste: the uk for example, has many closed trials ;) [18:23] so does the US [18:23] * lesshaste really didn't intend to take up people's time with this [18:23] but anyway, this is IRC, not a country [18:23] well funny how that happened ;-) [18:23] mc44: for national security cases! [18:23] I fail to see where this analogy is going [18:23] lesshaste: No, this is type of question that is actually suited for this channel. [18:24] mc44: :) you can't claim that here [18:24] Pici: ok :) [18:24] jdong: Yous tarted it [18:24] lesshaste: no, in many more cases than that in fact. But anyway, this is rather offtopic [18:24] s/s /s / [18:24] Pici: objection! [18:24] Pici, he did not make a case of it [18:24] or something [18:24] !cake [18:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about cake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [18:24] * ompaul mutters something [18:24] mc44: right.. my point is that openness is a very good principle [18:24] and things should be closed only in exceptional circumstance [18:24] and the place is open read the logs [18:25] simply keeping track of who has a problem doesn't seem like a real reason [18:25] !guidelines | read that [18:25] read that: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [18:25] it will tell you more about if you don't like what you see [18:25] ompaul: which part do you feel is relevant here? [18:26] lesshaste, well there were people before this place was logged who did not get any attention paid to them [18:26] I believe we have had people plan attacks on #ubuntu based on when people were or were not around in here. [18:26] ompaul: it's mostly a list of instructions [18:26] Pici: oh?! [18:26] lesshaste, ehh and frankly I am going for dinner it is 18:30 or there abouts after all [18:26] ompaul: good point about dinner.. anything good planned? [18:26] And also people who have been banned from #ubuntu for trolling and other nefarious things not contributing anything here. [18:27] my suggestion would be to allow people to loiter here but to be strict about ontopic talk [18:27] is there anything else? [18:27] please read the topic [18:28] lesshaste, the existing system works quite well [18:28] ompaul: I am not sure which part you are referring to.. " We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel" ? [18:28] Jack_Sparrow: it works well for the ops :) [18:29] Pici: I didn't understand your last point. Are you saying people come to #ubuntu-ops and loiter who have been banned from #ubuntu? [18:29] lesshaste: At times [18:33] * lesshaste wonders if he should mention how great ubuntu is at this point to try to recover some ground :) [18:33] no [18:33] Even if our policy were to change, its not going to change in the next minute. [18:35] Pici: how about this as a compromise :) Add the log url to the sentence about removing idlers in the topic [18:36] lesshaste: I personally dont have a problem with that, but I dont actually have access to do that [18:37] Pici: if you aren't totally fed up with this conversation already... what is the real reason for kicking idlers? I can't understand the motivation. Keeping track of complainers makes no sense, a concern over planned attacks on #ubuntu seems a little paranoid (is it really a major reason for the policy?) === Pici changed the topic of #ubuntu-ops to: Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion etc. to #ubuntu-irc | We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [18:40] to be fair I'll go to #ubuntu-offtopic now.. if you would be kind enough to join me [18:40] lesshaste: Its not necessarily idlers, its people who do not have a current issue to discuss. We don't need a 'peanut gallery' interjecting comments into operator discussions on issues. [18:40] Pici: oh! [18:41] Pici: I must have got the wrong end of the stick somehow [18:41] Pici: well.. I have no problem, just came here to browse :) !idle [18:41] in any case.. I am certainly offtopic [18:41] thanks for the topic adjustment [18:42] lesshaste: Yes, but I dont know who you are, nor do I see any record of issues with you. Random people coming in here is usually odd. [18:42] Pici: ok.. odd isn't always bad :) [18:42] bye [18:42] bye [18:58] err, we have a chanserv ban on *!*jesus@*? [18:59] I have nothing to say that is appropriate. [19:00] well, i could say that i've repeated up to nausea that i don't approve of overly wide bans that have a high risk of catching unrelated people [19:00] but since i've repeated it up to nausea... [19:00] where is that? #ubuntu? [19:00] yes, #ubuntu [19:00] take it off? [19:01] [19:15:35] --> profx has joined this channel (n=profx@S0106001a706142cc.gv.shawcable.net). [19:01] [19:16:18] can the ban for *!*jesus@* in #ubuntu be removed please ? [19:01] [19:16:36] no [19:01] LjL, do you not remember why this was implemented? [19:01] ompaul: vaguely [19:01] but [19:02] will you kindly do a /who *jesus*? [19:02] two reasons [19:02] there are *currently two* idents like that. [19:02] are they not allowed to join #ubuntu simply because they happen to have a first name that someone used for trolling in their ident? [19:02] for a start, [19:02] idents should normally be banned with *!?=ident2* [19:03] there were two types [19:03] err, *!?=ident@* [19:03] bigfuzzyj and jsomething [19:03] secondly why don't we ban *!?=tom@* [19:03] *!?=dave@* [19:03] *!?=james@* [19:03] *!?=john@* [19:03] because he is not allah to some [19:03] JESUS IS A SPANISH FIRST NAME [19:03] Oh, for the love of dave [19:03] I know that [19:04] look at the nicks out there robot_jesus [19:04] and bigfuzzyjesus doesn't have jesus as ident [19:04] who doesn't have jesus as ident, either [19:04] [20:01:45] [Who] jesusrmx-away is n=Jesus@189.163.3.1 (Jesus Reyes) [19:04] [20:01:44] [Who] jcorrius is n=jesus@nat/fluendo/x-0ee64d26bf6be468 (purple) [19:04] these are the ones with jesus as ident [19:05] ok - so I messed up please make someone happy [19:05] Didn't realise the akick list was so big. [19:06] Well.. if the ban was set on bigfuzzy's ident with wildcards... it would have not allowed ompaul as well. [19:06] no really, nalioth too, "let's ban an entire subnet because there's been a troll on it" [19:06] then we go "we should be careful with bans, only use them as a last resort, etc" [19:06] so, don't ban trolls because they need to be catalysed [19:06] but ban random people because they have interesting first names or use a given isp [19:06] that has stopped to make sense to me long ago [19:06] I think we all get it. [19:07] there is a channel #ubuntu-graylist [19:07] if there is a compelling reason to ban a subnet or such, it can be forwarded there [19:08] if there is a compelling reason to ban a generic ident or generic nickname, it can be forwarded here [19:08] Thats were we forward 83.230, [19:08] Pici: yes, doesn't have to be only 83.230 though [19:08] which is why i changed the channel name from #ubuntu-83 to #ubuntu-graylist [19:08] LjL: Right, just providing an example. [19:11] syf*!*@*? [19:12] a long standing ban by Sev - eas [19:12] ok, could it not be like syf?!*@*, or something? [19:12] You sure? It looks like chanserv originally put it on. [19:13] and he accidentally removed it [19:13] Pici, remove a ban and ask chanserv to set it [19:13] nicknames starting with syf are not exceedingly common i guess [19:13] but it's still just three letters [19:15] i think we could clear half of them... [19:15] at least [19:15] there are some [19:15] that need to stay until the sun stops shining on this planet [19:16] I have one pet one and seveas has three that I know of and I think hobbsee has one [19:16] syf is a permaban [19:16] phonestalker [19:17] Perhaps set with a better mask? [19:17] no. [19:19] the person who drop a ban related to syf or lunitik is repsonsible for me leaving #ubuntu and related channels forever [19:20] Seveas, it's not a matter of unbanning the guy, it's a matter that 1) you aren't stopping him from coming in if he wants to, even with a recognizable nickname (_syf for instance?) [19:21] LjL, syf*!*@* has kept him out so far [19:21] 2) you are possibly stopping people who just happen to have those three letters as a prefix [19:21] right, and how many other people has it kept out? [19:21]