[00:10] <Seeker`> hmm
[01:06] <Pici> aaahh
[01:20] <Seeker`> aaahh?
[01:21] <LjL> øøøøøøh!
[01:22]  * mneptok farts demurely
[01:22] <jdong> LjL: lol nice :)
[01:22] <LjL> thænk yøu
[01:22] <jdong> LjL: is someone scandinavian supposed to spawn into the channel to yell at us :D
[01:22] <LjL> /invite magnetron
[01:33] <no0tic> ööh?
[01:33] <no0tic> dåh!
[01:47] <Seeker`> heh, ##u-u now has ubnotu
[02:01] <Pici> hah
[02:05] <mneptok> ##u-u should have ubnoxious
[02:05] <nalioth> mneptok: but we have you already
[02:05]  * mneptok *said* ##u-u! *sigh*
[02:21]  * Pici laughed
[02:22] <Seeker`> I laughed once. It was a thursday.
[03:36] <DrDerek> Why are the stats page so slow?
[03:37] <DrDerek> nevermind, I guess it was moved and your !stats flag is old
[03:37] <nickrud> !stats
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <nalioth> can we help you with something, DrDerek?
[03:38] <DrDerek> nalioth - I figured it out, danke.
[05:28] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAOF said: xrandr is XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[05:34] <Hobbsee> !xrandr is <reply>XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[05:34] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[05:35] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Ta; I seem to have forgotten the syntax there :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:39] <nickrud> did the floodbots flood triggers get tightened up?
[08:33] <Myrtti> you know, I think there should be a symlink in irclogs.ubuntu.com so that you could dive in to the file structure of the logs not only by date but also by channel
[09:29] <Myrtti> I personally think it would increase the transparency
[09:34] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, probably would if you'd like to figure how to automate it
[09:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-server, Kamping_Kaiser said: ubotu, Squid is an industrial strength web proxy. Its flexability is matched only by the scaryness of its configuration file.
[09:35] <jussi01> heh
[09:35]  * ompaul considers twacking karl on the head with a windows config file
[09:36] <ompaul> squid is english language friendly ... very friendly
[09:41] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I wish I had time :-<
[10:34] <rzog> asdf
[10:34] <rzog> test
[10:38] <Myrtti> a-ha
[10:39] <Mez> knowing me knowing you?
[10:46] <Myrtti> abba
[10:49] <ikonia> Mez: I think partridge would be lost on non-uk peeps
[10:50] <Mez> ikonia, ;)
[10:50] <ikonia> back of the net
[12:24] <ikonia> PriceChild: the user neeto is a known troll, I'm not sure how many times he's done #ubuntu related channels but he's certainly done many others I'm in 
[12:44] <Pici> !stats
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <Pici> hm
[12:48] <Mez> @stats
[12:48] <ubotu> I have 59 registered users with 30 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 2 admins.
[12:53] <Pici> its:
[12:54] <Pici> !stats-#ubuntu-offtopic
[12:54] <ubotu> Statistics for this channel can be found at http://www.ubuntuircstats.org/ubuntu-offtopic.html
[12:58] <Pici> Which still hasnt loaded yet...
[12:58] <Pici> ubotu: forget stats-#ubuntu-offtopic
[12:58] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Pici
[14:13] <Hobbsee> bug 216529
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[14:13] <ubotu2> launchpad bug 216529 in kdebase-runtime (and 1 others): "kdebase-bin depends kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [High,Triaged] http://launchpad.net/bugs/216529
[14:14] <Hobbsee> ah ha
[14:18] <LjL> how have the floodbots been tonight? i've changed the paste code yesterday but i'd say they still seem a bit trigger happy from what i see in the logs
[14:19] <Hobbsee> who's still in +1?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> have you guys had troubles with eagles lately in there?
[14:20] <Pici> I havent seen him lately.
[14:20] <Pici> Hes been in #kubuntu though.
[14:20] <Hobbsee> good or bad?
[14:20] <Hobbsee> then again, he's OK as a user.  still doesn't process information much though
[14:20] <Pici> Nothing bad sticks out in my mind.
[14:21]  * Hobbsee nods
[14:21] <Hobbsee> he's likely going to come back here, as he's going to get the boot from #kubuntu-devel
[14:21] <Hobbsee> (just as a FYI)
[14:22] <Pici> Are you going to be absent from here when he comes back? ;)
[14:22] <Hobbsee> dunno
[14:22] <Hobbsee> depends what time he comes.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> refer him to me, i'll eventually end up speaking ot him, i expect.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> or say that Hobbsee and apachelogger spoke to him in #kubuntu-devel about his behaviour, and that was the reason for his bans.
[14:23] <Hobbsee> if he didn't read what we told him, then it's really not my problem
[14:24] <ompaul> Hobbsee, <eagles0513875> ompaul: i would like to be unbanned from the motu channel  
[14:24] <ompaul> Hobbsee, you seem not to have ever wanted that ban lifted 
[14:25] <ompaul> is that the eagles you are referring to?
[14:25] <Pici> Yes.
[14:25] <ompaul> Hobbsee, was here yesterday 
[14:25] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yes, that eagles.
[14:25] <Hobbsee> ompaul: and i odn't want it lifted, no
[14:25] <Hobbsee> for reference:
[14:25] <Hobbsee> [23:25] <Hobbsee> what the fuck?[23:25] <-- seb128 has left this server ("Ex-Chat").
[14:25] <Hobbsee> [23:25] <Hobbsee> this guy uploaded *16* debdiffs to fix the bug, and it still looks like he's broken something.
[14:26] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ok
[14:26]  * Pici feels like joining k-devel just to watch
[14:26] <ompaul> Hobbsee, so did he do that in the last few hours?
[14:26] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yeah
[14:26] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's not there now.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Pici: but he's certainly there in the logs
[14:27] <Pici> !logs
[14:27] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[14:27] <ompaul> ack
[14:27] <Hobbsee> ompaul: this is why we're in a freeze.  So idiots can get crap uploaded.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> untested crap, no less.
[14:28] <ompaul> untested & broken 
[14:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:31]  * Pici is reading logs
[14:32] <ompaul> Pici, logs are worthless live in realtime ;-)
[14:33] <Pici> ompaul: Unless you have a time machine, this is the best I can do.
[14:33] <ompaul> Pici, and if I did would I loan it ;-)
[14:33] <Pici> Exactly.
[14:35] <LjL> see, you're still arguing in favor of my idea of a replaying irc client.
[14:35] <Pici> Yes.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> mine does replay.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> it's called scrollback
[14:37] <ikonia> Hobbsee: is ubuntu-eu "your" site
[14:37] <LjL> Hobbsee: that's just a log, and it's as worthless as logs if logs are worthless.
[14:37] <LjL> what i mean is an ability to go back to a given date and time for *all* channels concurrently, and then replay things in real time (or fast forward)
[14:38] <Hobbsee> LjL: yeah, true
[14:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh, right
[14:38] <Hobbsee> ikonia: nope?
[14:38] <Hobbsee> ikonia: why would it be?
[14:38] <LjL> and with all the highlights you'd normally get, etc
[14:38] <Hobbsee> ah yeah.  get them.
[14:39] <ikonia> Hobbsee: didn't know, I saw you mention it and some of the content appears to be written by "a" person rther than a group so I just thought I'd ask 
[14:39] <LjL> ikonia: what about it?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> it's effectively a very fast forward
[14:39] <ikonia> nothing
[14:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia: no, don't think so
[14:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i don't remember mentioning it
[14:39] <ikonia> thats fine, I was just curious
[14:39] <ikonia> Hobbsee: ooh, my highlight showed you mentioning the log host on it, 
[14:41] <Hobbsee> oh
[16:22] <Pici> ompaul: macrophone has been in ungregged for quite a while, I dont know how many times I've removed him from there.
[16:37] <ompaul> ack
[16:37] <Pici> Each time with the message "please join #ubuntu"
[16:53] <Pici> sigh
[17:02]  * Pici attaches Mez to the boat
[17:02] <Mez> Pici, was a typo
[17:03] <Mez> was meant to be fishfinger
[17:03] <Mez> went the wrong way from f
[17:03] <Pici> even weirder
[17:03] <Pici> Fish dont have fingers
[17:04] <Mez> finger as in a measurement ;)
[17:06] <Pici> finger as a measurement?
[17:07] <Mez> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/finger <-- 3/4/6
[17:12] <Myrtti> what the hell
[17:12] <Pici> ze French?
[17:13] <Mez> have you never heard of a fish finger?
[17:13] <Pici> no 
[17:14] <jussi01> Pici: thats very sad...
[17:14] <Mez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishfinger
[17:14] <ikonia> eyes on chuy please
[17:14] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[17:14] <Myrtti> the bot just told me he knows nothing about kirby
[17:14] <jussi01> sing me a song thats not very long, birds eye fishfingers...
[17:14] <Myrtti> I mean, wth
[17:14] <Myrtti> just out of the blue
[17:15] <ikonia> he's starting.......
[17:15] <Pici> Myrtti: Where?
[17:15] <jpatrick> Myrtti: it's kirby-#ubuntu-offtopic
[17:15] <Myrtti> Pici: in a pm
[17:16] <jpatrick> hmm, fishfingers.
[17:16] <Mez> ikonia, why chuy ?
[17:16] <Myrtti> ok, I'm officially not understanding, nevermind
[17:16] <ikonia> Mez: known troll
[17:17] <Mez> seemed rather polite to me...
[17:17] <Mez> @btlogin
[17:17] <ikonia> yes, he is being polite
[17:17] <ikonia> he normally just starts being random and abusive when he doesn't get the responses he likes
[17:18] <Pici> But chuy and chuy_max are two different people... as I've learned the hard way.
[17:19] <Pici> uh
[17:19] <Pici> 12:18:53 <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it was aubade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:20] <Mez> Indeed, and I havent seent chuy_max troll since Jan..
[17:20] <Mez> (reading my backlog)
[17:20] <Mez> (and the bt)
[17:22] <ikonia> I've seen chuy a few times
[17:22] <ikonia> but granted he's being nice
[17:22] <Pici> chuy came in here and threatened that he was some big name hacker and then cursed me out in a query etc...
[17:22] <Mez> last 2 bans were in -ot ...
[17:23] <Mez> and they have nothing but the join in the log
[17:23] <Pici> chuy_max is a nice guy
[17:23] <Mez> before that - 3 in #uf
[17:23] <Mez> and then a few before that
[17:23] <ikonia> Pici: yes, thats how I remember chuy also 
[17:23] <Mez> but it seems nothing since Jan
[17:23] <ikonia> Pici: wasn't chuy the guy who threatened to post on blogs 
[17:24] <Pici> ikonia: I think so.
[17:24] <ikonia> yes, VERY nasty guy
[17:24] <Pici> On Digg too
[17:24] <ikonia> yes, just got the log
[17:24] <ikonia> it was him
[17:24] <ikonia> and his friend 
[17:25] <jussi01> is it the same guy? or another chuy - that sounds like a commmon east asian name to me...
[17:25] <Pici> Dunno
[17:25] <ikonia> his nick is registered
[17:25] <jussi01> ok
[17:25] <ikonia> it appeared in my notify list
[17:25] <ikonia> I assume the same guy
[17:33] <ikonia> chuy is using a similar ip address (slightly different) both nonexistant on ripe as his previous trolling
[17:33] <ikonia> just as an FYI
[17:33] <Pici> ikonia: Thanks
[17:36] <Mez> ikonia, it's not on RIPE as it's an ARIN IP ...
[17:36] <ikonia> ahhh well found
[17:36] <ikonia> is it the same isp ?
[17:36] <Mez> I didn't lookup the old Ip
[17:37] <ikonia> ah
[17:37] <ikonia> differnet ISP's
[17:38] <Mez> yes. 
[17:38] <Pici> iirc, he either was using to threatening to use a proxy last time around anyway. 
[17:40] <ikonia> yes, his "friend" the l33t hacker can bypass anything etc etc
[17:40] <ikonia> his behaviour is quite different though
[17:40] <ikonia> but at the same time his nick is registered
[17:40] <Pici> hes not identified as chiu
[17:40] <Pici> er, chuy
[17:41] <ikonia> the current one isn't identified ?
[17:41] <Pici> Anyway, I think it would just be best to wait for trollish behavior
[17:41] <Pici> ikonia: correct. 
[17:41] <Pici> format_identify.pl for irssi is nice
[17:41] <ikonia> he shows as idenitied for me
[17:42] <ikonia> now he's not
[17:42] <ikonia> your right
[17:42] <ikonia> I wasn't saying kick him or anything, just "eyes open" 
[17:42] <ikonia> he slipped in under the rader
[17:42] <Mez> his IP only stands out in the dynamic pool on sorbs.. nothing else
[17:49] <tonyyarusso> Pici: what's it do?
[17:50] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: if you do capab identify-msg, you can change the way it tells you if someone is identified or not.
[17:50] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: you could make identified people green, and others red for example
[17:54] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Oooh, that's cool.
[17:56] <ikonia> just grabbed it myself
[18:00] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: ikonia: beware, once you turn identify-msg on, the only way to turn it off is a disconnect.
[18:01] <ikonia> PriceChild: worth know, thank you
[18:09] <Pici> I have it setup to put a ? in front of unidentified nicks
[18:16] <profx> can the ban for *!*jesus@* in #ubuntu be removed please ?
[18:16] <ompaul> no
[18:16] <Pici> Why?
[18:16] <Pici> I mean to profx.
[18:16] <profx> yeah, got it
[18:16] <profx> thanks ompaul
[18:17] <Pici> uh, okay.
[18:17] <ompaul> Pici, hehe I told him no in #ubuntu without thinking and then he arrives here and gets the same
[18:18] <ompaul> we would not allow bighairy $other deity  so why allow that
[18:18] <ompaul> lesshaste, how can we help you
[18:18] <Pici> fuzzy iirc
[18:18] <lesshaste> hi ompaul 
[18:18] <ompaul> Pici, seen more than one in my time ;-)
[18:18] <lesshaste> I have no problem, just came here to browse :)
[18:18] <ompaul> but yeas
[18:19] <ompaul> !idle
[18:19] <ubotu> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[18:19] <lesshaste> is there #ubuntu-ops-ops where I can discuss this policy?
[18:19] <lesshaste> :)
[18:19] <Pici> This isnt a library ;)
[18:19] <ompaul> thats the browsing me guesses ;-)
[18:19] <lesshaste> I don't agree with the policy if it makes any difference
[18:20] <lesshaste> but I don't want to waste your time discussing it
[18:21] <ompaul> you would need to explain why you don't agree with it, this place is transparent with loggin
[18:21] <lesshaste> ok
[18:21] <lesshaste> basically because justice needs not only to be done but also to be seen to be done
[18:22] <ompaul> well you can see the logs if you like
[18:22] <lesshaste> cases of abuse questions are dealt with here
[18:22] <lesshaste> it shouldn't be a secret
[18:22] <Pici> !logs
[18:22] <ubotu> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[18:22] <lesshaste> yes I can read the court records
[18:22] <jdong> this channel is logged
[18:22] <lesshaste> but can't I watch the trial?
[18:22] <ompaul> no
[18:22] <jdong> lesshaste: depends on the country, but not always
[18:23] <lesshaste> jdong: that is sort of my point
[18:23] <lesshaste> there are countries where you can't watch trials
[18:23] <lesshaste> but is this taking after one of those?
[18:23] <ompaul> this is irc
[18:23] <mc44> lesshaste: the uk for example, has many closed trials ;)
[18:23] <jdong> so does the US
[18:23]  * lesshaste really didn't intend to take up people's time with this
[18:23] <jdong> but anyway, this is IRC, not a country
[18:23] <ompaul> well funny how that happened ;-)
[18:23] <lesshaste> mc44: for national security cases!
[18:23] <jdong> I fail to see where this analogy is going
[18:23] <Pici> lesshaste: No, this is type of question that is actually suited for this channel.
[18:24] <lesshaste> mc44: :) you can't claim that here
[18:24] <lesshaste> Pici: ok :)
[18:24] <Pici> jdong: Yous tarted it
[18:24] <mc44> lesshaste: no, in many more cases than that in fact. But anyway, this is rather offtopic
[18:24] <Pici> s/s /s /
[18:24] <jdong> Pici: objection!
[18:24] <ompaul> Pici, he did not make a case of it
[18:24] <Pici> or something
[18:24] <ompaul> !cake
[18:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cake - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:24]  * ompaul mutters something
[18:24] <lesshaste> mc44: right.. my point is that openness is a very good principle
[18:24] <lesshaste> and things should be closed only in exceptional circumstance
[18:24] <ompaul> and the place is open read the logs
[18:25] <lesshaste> simply keeping track of who has a problem doesn't seem like a real reason
[18:25] <ompaul> !guidelines | read that 
[18:25] <ubotu> read that: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:25] <ompaul> it will tell you more about if you don't like what you see
[18:25] <lesshaste> ompaul: which part do you feel is relevant here?
[18:26] <ompaul> lesshaste, well there were people before this place was logged who did not get any attention paid to them
[18:26] <Pici> I believe we have had people plan attacks on #ubuntu based on when people were or were not around in here.
[18:26] <lesshaste> ompaul: it's mostly a list of instructions
[18:26] <lesshaste> Pici: oh?!
[18:26] <ompaul> lesshaste, ehh and frankly I am going for dinner it is 18:30 or there abouts after all 
[18:26] <lesshaste> ompaul: good point about dinner.. anything good planned?
[18:26] <Pici> And also people who have been banned from #ubuntu for trolling and other nefarious things not contributing anything here.
[18:27] <lesshaste> my suggestion would be to allow people to loiter here but to be strict about ontopic talk
[18:27] <ompaul> is there anything else?
[18:27] <ompaul> please read the topic
[18:28] <Jack_Sparrow> lesshaste, the existing system works quite well
[18:28] <lesshaste> ompaul: I am not sure which part you are referring to.. " We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel" ?
[18:28] <lesshaste> Jack_Sparrow: it works well for the ops :)
[18:29] <lesshaste> Pici: I didn't understand your last point.  Are you saying people come to #ubuntu-ops and loiter who have been banned from #ubuntu?
[18:29] <Pici> lesshaste: At times
[18:33]  * lesshaste wonders if he should mention how great ubuntu is at this point to try to recover some ground :)
[18:33] <ompaul> no
[18:33] <Pici> Even if our policy were to change, its not going to change in the next minute.
[18:35] <lesshaste> Pici: how about this as a compromise :) Add the log url to the sentence about removing idlers in the topic 
[18:36] <Pici> lesshaste: I personally dont have a problem with that, but I dont actually have access to do that
[18:37] <lesshaste> Pici: if you aren't totally fed up with this conversation already... what is the real reason for kicking idlers? I can't understand the motivation. Keeping track of complainers makes no sense, a concern over planned attacks on #ubuntu seems a little paranoid (is it really a major reason for the policy?)
[18:40] <lesshaste> to be fair I'll go to #ubuntu-offtopic now.. if you would be kind enough to join me
[18:40] <Pici> lesshaste: Its not necessarily idlers, its people who do not have a current issue to discuss.  We don't need a 'peanut gallery' interjecting comments into operator discussions on issues.
[18:40] <lesshaste> Pici: oh!
[18:41] <lesshaste> Pici: I must have got the wrong end of the stick somehow
[18:41] <lesshaste> Pici: well.. <lesshaste> I have no problem, just came here to browse :) <ompaul> !idle
[18:41] <lesshaste> in any case.. I am certainly offtopic
[18:41] <lesshaste> thanks for the topic adjustment
[18:42] <Pici> lesshaste: Yes, but I dont know who you are, nor do I see any record of issues with you.  Random people coming in here is usually odd.
[18:42] <lesshaste> Pici: ok.. odd isn't always bad :)
[18:42] <lesshaste> bye
[18:42] <Pici> bye
[18:58] <LjL> err, we have a chanserv ban on *!*jesus@*?
[18:59] <Pici> I have nothing to say that is appropriate.
[19:00] <LjL> well, i could say that i've repeated up to nausea that i don't approve of overly wide bans that have a high risk of catching unrelated people
[19:00] <LjL> but since i've repeated it up to nausea...
[19:00] <PriceChild> where is that? #ubuntu?
[19:00] <LjL> yes, #ubuntu
[19:00] <PriceChild> take it off?
[19:01] <LjL> [19:15:35] --> profx has joined this channel (n=profx@S0106001a706142cc.gv.shawcable.net).
[19:01] <LjL> [19:16:18] <profx> can the ban for *!*jesus@* in #ubuntu be removed please ?
[19:01] <LjL> [19:16:36] <ompaul> no
[19:01] <ompaul> LjL, do you not remember why this was implemented?
[19:01] <LjL> ompaul: vaguely
[19:01] <LjL> but
[19:02] <LjL> will you kindly do a /who *jesus*?
[19:02] <ompaul> two reasons
[19:02] <LjL> there are *currently two* idents like that.
[19:02] <LjL> are they not allowed to join #ubuntu simply because they happen to have a first name that someone used for trolling in their ident?
[19:02] <LjL> for a start,
[19:02] <LjL> idents should normally be banned with *!?=ident2*
[19:03] <ompaul> there were two types
[19:03] <LjL> err, *!?=ident@*
[19:03] <ompaul> bigfuzzyj and jsomething
[19:03] <LjL> secondly why don't we ban *!?=tom@*
[19:03] <LjL> *!?=dave@*
[19:03] <LjL> *!?=james@*
[19:03] <LjL> *!?=john@*
[19:03] <ompaul> because he is not allah to some
[19:03] <LjL> JESUS IS A SPANISH FIRST NAME
[19:03] <Pici> Oh, for the love of dave
[19:03] <ompaul> I know that
[19:04] <ompaul> look at the nicks out there robot_jesus
[19:04] <LjL> and bigfuzzyjesus doesn't have jesus as ident
[19:04] <LjL> who doesn't have jesus as ident, either
[19:04] <LjL> [20:01:45] [Who] jesusrmx-away is n=Jesus@189.163.3.1 (Jesus Reyes)
[19:04] <LjL> [20:01:44] [Who] jcorrius is n=jesus@nat/fluendo/x-0ee64d26bf6be468 (purple)
[19:04] <LjL> these are the ones with jesus as ident
[19:05] <ompaul> ok - so I messed  up please make someone happy
[19:05] <PriceChild> Didn't realise the akick list was so big.
[19:06] <Pici> Well.. if the ban was set on bigfuzzy's ident with wildcards... it would have not allowed ompaul as well.
[19:06] <LjL> no really, nalioth too, "let's ban an entire subnet because there's been a troll on it"
[19:06] <LjL> then we go "we should be careful with bans, only use them as a last resort, etc"
[19:06] <LjL> so, don't ban trolls because they need to be catalysed
[19:06] <LjL> but ban random people because they have interesting first names or use a given isp
[19:06] <LjL> that has stopped to make sense to me long ago
[19:06] <Pici> I think we all get it.
[19:07] <LjL> there is a channel #ubuntu-graylist
[19:07] <LjL> if there is a compelling reason to ban a subnet or such, it can be forwarded there
[19:08] <LjL> if there is a compelling reason to ban a generic ident or generic nickname, it can be forwarded here
[19:08] <Pici> Thats were we forward 83.230, 
[19:08] <LjL> Pici: yes, doesn't have to be only 83.230 though
[19:08] <LjL> which is why i changed the channel name from #ubuntu-83 to #ubuntu-graylist
[19:08] <Pici> LjL: Right, just providing an example.
[19:11] <LjL> syf*!*@*?
[19:12] <ompaul> a long standing ban by Sev - eas
[19:12] <LjL> ok, could it not be like syf?!*@*, or something?
[19:12] <Pici> You sure? It looks like chanserv originally put it on.
[19:13] <Pici> and he accidentally removed it
[19:13] <ompaul> Pici, remove a ban and ask chanserv to set it
[19:13] <LjL> nicknames starting with syf are not exceedingly common i guess
[19:13] <LjL> but it's still just three letters
[19:15] <PriceChild> i think we could clear half of them...
[19:15] <PriceChild> at least
[19:15] <ompaul> there are some 
[19:15] <ompaul> that need to stay until the sun stops shining on this planet
[19:16] <ompaul> I have one pet one and seveas has three that I know of and I think hobbsee has one
[19:16] <Seveas> syf is a permaban
[19:16] <Seveas> phonestalker
[19:17] <Pici> Perhaps set with a better mask?
[19:17] <Seveas> no.
[19:19] <Seveas> the person who drop a ban related to syf or lunitik is repsonsible for me leaving #ubuntu and related channels forever
[19:20] <LjL> Seveas, it's not a matter of unbanning the guy, it's a matter that 1) you aren't stopping him from coming in if he wants to, even with a recognizable nickname (_syf for instance?)
[19:21] <Seveas> LjL, syf*!*@* has kept him out so far
[19:21] <LjL> 2) you are possibly stopping people who just happen to have those three letters as a prefix
[19:21] <LjL> right, and how many other people has it kept out?
[19:21] <Seveas> LjL, collateral damage that's acceptable in this case
[19:21] <LjL> if a terrible troll comes with the nick "s", do you ban s*!*@*?
[19:22] <Seveas> unrelated bollocks. you weren't here when syf was around or you'd understand
[19:22] <LjL> if many trolls come from italy, or one troll has a lot of different italian domains he can connect from, do you ban *!*@*.it? (which was the case in #ubuntu-pl)
[19:23] <Seveas> in -pl I might find that acceptable
[19:23] <Seveas> we've banned large parts of .de in -nl for a while for that reason
[19:24] <LjL> sorry, can't agree on that in the least.
[19:24] <Seveas> the person who drop a ban related to syf or lunitik is repsonsible for me leaving #ubuntu and related channels forever <-- I'll stick with that
[19:25] <Seveas> remoe the ban and I'm gone. 
[19:25] <Pici> s is not the same thing as syf.  plus it appears that *syf* is in only part of one english word.
[19:26] <LjL> Pici: ok, i did say "syf" is probably relatively unlikely as a nick's prefix
[19:26] <LjL> (contrary to jesus as an ident)
[19:26] <LjL> still the "acceptable collateral damage" thing is something i can't agree on at all.
[19:27] <LjL> and you don't ban a nation
[19:27] <Pici> LjL: I think if you or I knew exactly who Seveas was talking about, we might agree with him.
[19:27] <LjL> banning nations is part of the reason why there are so many irc wars and takeovers on ircnet and others
[19:28] <Seveas> LjL, for *loco*channels, I find it acceptable -- germans really have nothing to do in #ubuntu-nl for instance
[19:28] <LjL> pici, if someone is stalking me on the phone, then i doubt a ban on the nickname will help me any
[19:28] <Pici> I can't speak for the loco channels, but it would be aboslutely unacceptable in #ubuntu
[19:28] <Seveas> as a temporary measure to repel trolls it's perfectly acceptable in locochannels
[19:28] <Seveas> Pici, I'm not talking about #ubuntu, it's unacceptable there
[19:28] <LjL> Seveas: bollocks. i'm in #ubuntu-fr, #ubuntu-se and #ubuntu-es, and not simply because i'm in the irc council.
[19:29] <Seveas> LjL, it did. lilo also quickly k-lined him and half his provider
[19:29] <Seveas> LjL, call that the exception that proves the rule. 
[19:29] <Seveas> and channel exceptions also exist for this 
[19:30] <Pici> How about we re-add syf*!*@* and someone puts a nice note on the bantracker as to why it is banned and if we have an issue with it in the future we can deal with it?
[19:30] <Seveas> syf*!*@* is still on the autoremove list
[19:31] <Pici> The regular ban was removed.
[19:31] <Seveas> what I find unacceptable on the autoremove list is this:
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 32  *!*@86.96.226.15                    
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 33  *!?=fuck@*                          
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 34  *!*jesus@*                          
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 35  *!Allah*@*                          
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 36  *!*Allah@*                          
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 37  *!*Yahweh@*                         
[19:31] <Seveas> -ChanServ- 38  *!*christ@*         
[19:31] <Seveas> (skip number 32, accidental copy)
[19:32] <ompaul> well then remove them as I said eariler
[19:32] <ompaul> ok - so I messed  up please make someone happy
[19:32] <Seveas> I can't, don't have the keys :)
[19:32]  * PriceChild just removes those
[19:32] <ompaul> does chanserv lock it to the user who sets them?
[19:32] <Seveas> no
[19:32] <ompaul> then you can do it - I said so 
[19:33] <ompaul> they are mine 
[19:33] <ompaul> read what I sauid
[19:33] <ompaul> said
[19:33] <ompaul> ok - so I messed  up please make someone happy
[19:33] <Seveas> I shouldn't have access to that anymore :)
[19:33] <ompaul> sorry flipping between this and some work related stuff and I _need_ to get that done
[19:36] <Myrtti> /me pets ompaul
[19:36] <Myrtti> hang in there
[19:39] <ompaul> feel free to sort it or let me know later - doing budgets not nice 
[19:40] <Pici> eww
[19:40] <Pici> numbers
[19:41] <PriceChild> people changing names confusing me on access lists
[19:41] <ompaul> I'll be back in a bit 
[19:50] <PriceChild> anon32, otherwise known as arwen, any other nicks?
[19:51] <PriceChild> I notice he's on autorem, I unbanned him from +1 a while ago after promises that he'd be good, and I don't think he's done anything since?
[19:58] <Mez> Quick request: can someone please /msg me
[19:59] <PriceChild> Mez: what're you trying to do?
[19:59] <Mez> ok, thanks
[20:00] <Mez> PriceChild, work out whether my proxy stores backlogs for privmsgs
[20:00] <Mez> which it doesnt seem to
[20:00] <PriceChild> Mez: what proxy?
[20:00] <Mez> btw - Daviey/Pricechild... neither of you were funny (you both said the same thing)
[20:00] <Mez> PriceChild, ctrl_proxy
[20:00] <Daviey> :D
[20:00]  * PriceChild highfives Daviey 
[20:00] <Daviey> o/
[20:02] <Pici> what did they say?
[20:02] <LjL> i bet "no"
[20:03] <Pici> Thats what I would have said
[20:27] <ubotu> hischild called the ops in #ubuntu (ki_rmc)
[20:28] <ompaul> now question 
[20:28] <ompaul> anyone remember this: Ubuntu Servers-#ubuntu-ops.log:Mar 22 19:21:35 <ompaul> <ompaul> examples in the last few hours in #ubuntu are as follows: jesusccs infernal_jesus Crazymethjesus   and for those who don't speak english as a first language that last one was Crazy Meth ... right so and the last one was just Jesus who appears to live in sweden if the domain name is to be believed
[20:28] <ompaul> hehe
[20:28] <ompaul> next up I can't remember how to undo that I will be off reading unless someone can remind me
[20:30] <Mez> undo what
[20:31] <Mez> * ompaul sets ban on %*!*@cpc1-flee1-0-0-cust387.glfd.cable.ntl.com ?
[20:31] <Mez> /mode #ubuntu -b %*!*@cpc1-flee1-0-0-cust387.glfd.cable.ntl.com
[20:31] <Mez> while opped
[20:32] <ompaul> na
[20:32] <ompaul> that would not be it
[20:32] <ompaul> roll back a bit - I'll get some grep out I have to have it logged
[20:33] <PriceChild> #ubuntu is looking dodgy to me..
[20:35] <ompaul> PriceChild, well then tell me what I can do about eariler and I will sit there and remove things from chanserv and keep an eye on it - and you are right
[20:37] <PriceChild> ompaul: I don't think I've been around for any addition to autorem, if you think shouldn't be on there, just remove it?
[20:38]  * ompaul head desks
[20:38] <ompaul> memories all over the pavement
[20:38] <ompaul> hehe
[20:39] <ompaul> someone did while I was away
[20:39] <ompaul> couldnt remember - do /cs help and enjoy
[20:45]  * Mez sighs
[20:55]  * ompaul reminds everyone to do their acm votes
[20:56] <PriceChild> ompaul: acm?
[20:56] <ompaul> association of computing machinery 
[20:56] <ompaul> ;-) 
[21:26] <ompaul> !guidelines
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