[00:33] <yuriy> Riddell: i can "nominate for release" but i don't think i can milestone, so it's certainly not anyone who can edit bugs
[00:33] <Riddell> yuriy: maybe it's core-dev members then
[00:33] <Riddell> or motu
[00:33] <yuriy> that would make sense
[00:34] <Riddell> in usual launchpad manor, there's no way to find out who has permissions on something
[00:34] <yuriy> still beats bugzilla. at least most of the time it tells you what you can and can't do
[00:35]  * yuriy had to ask about kde bugzilla
[00:37] <awen_> nixternal: here you go
[00:37] <awen_> http://awen.dk/packages/snapshot1.png
[00:39] <apachelogger> oh c'mon that can't be true -.-
[00:39] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kdebase-runtime-data
[00:39] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime-data also has a kde3 package as alternative dep
[00:39] <apachelogger> -.-
[00:39] <apachelogger> yuriy: there you have the cause of that languageselector issue
[00:41] <awen_> apachelogger: that's no fun trick to pull up the hat this late
[00:41] <apachelogger> hm
[00:41] <apachelogger> I have to get up in 4 hours
[00:42] <apachelogger> going to bed doesn't make all that much sense I guess :S
[00:42] <yuriy> :O
[00:42] <apachelogger> I know who is sleeping tomorrow afternoon
[00:42] <apachelogger> bah, on friday I have a test in politics
[00:43] <apachelogger> that load of tests seem to be never ending -.-
[00:43]  * awen_ just realised that he too is getting up in 4 hours
[00:44] <apachelogger> we just shouldn't do meetings that late
[00:44] <awen_> apachelogger: is there any other way to get the language selector working do you think?
[00:45] <awen_> apachelogger: right ... damn time differences :)
[00:45] <apachelogger> awen_: just install [01:39:10] <apachelogger> oh c'mon that can't be true -.-
[00:45] <apachelogger> [01:39:14] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kdebase-runtime-data
[00:45] <apachelogger> argh
[00:45]  * apachelogger kicks quasel
[00:45] <apachelogger> awen_: install kdebase-runtime-data-common
[00:46] <awen_> apachelogger: but that isn't installed as deafault, right?
[00:46] <apachelogger> apparently not
[00:47] <awen_> apachelogger: it is only 3 mb in size unpackad ... so that one just needs to fit the cd
[00:48]  * awen_ can obviously not spell anymore
[00:48] <apachelogger> awen_: there is a bug
[00:49] <apachelogger> I really don't understand kdebase-runtime
[00:49] <apachelogger> I will have to check the whole control file
[00:49] <apachelogger> something is awfully wrong there
[00:50]  * awen_ haven't ventured that deep into the magics of kde yet
[00:50] <apachelogger> it's a packaging issue ;-)
[00:51] <awen_> then i'm game again :P
[00:56] <nixternal> his english is...not good .... he is from the US
[00:56] <nixternal> gahahahaha, that is the funniest thing I have ever read to date!
[00:57] <nixternal> thanks awen_ for the screeny
[00:58] <awen_> nixternal: you're welcome
[00:58] <awen_> nixternal: how are the RC notes coming out (= do you have a draft up already?)
[01:03] <nixternal> haven't even started them yet
[01:06] <awen_> okay ... i'll try to find them sometime tomorrow then
[01:42] <CheGuevara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/011132.html
[01:42] <CheGuevara> not reaaly great english
[01:42] <CheGuevara> *really
[01:50] <awen_> CheGuevara: nah ... could be better
[02:04] <awen_> must be time to get to bed now ... goodnight everyone
[02:43] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu
[02:44] <nixternal> Riddell && ScottK && the rest of you that wanted a reminder :)
[02:44] <nixternal> look up ^^ :)
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: haha.... "KDE is pleased to grace us with.....
[02:49] <ScottK> nixternal: I think "Handful of laptops" is rather pessimistic for power-manager.
[02:50] <ScottK> nixternal: Mind if I change it?
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> Shouldn't that be "This latest release, version 4.0.3"?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> and isn't Amarok 1.4.9.1 shipped, rather than 1.4.8?
[03:04] <ScottK> You are correct for Amarok: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+publishinghistory
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T
[04:47] <nixternal> ScottK: ya fix it if you haven't...all I did was copy and paste Beta
[04:47] <nixternal> to busy tonight
[04:49] <ScottK> nixternal: Fixed it.
[04:49] <ScottK> At least the guidance bit.
[04:49] <nixternal> groovy
[05:33] <Serega> morning, friends!
[05:54] <yuriy> night, Serega
[06:21] <Hobbsee> heya
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's got a pretty bad connection - he's not going to be much use for testing, FYI.
[06:24]  * Hobbsee originally picked him up for testing for gutsy
[06:24] <Hobbsee> if, in the event, that he *can* get an image downloaded in the time required, and get it tested before the images go out, then he may be helpful
[06:24] <Jucato> eagles?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:24]  * Jucato snickers :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> the may, because he still may require a stack of hand holding to figure out if bits actually work.
[06:25] <Jucato> heh I remember my early days :)
[06:34] <yao_ziyuan> i think hardy's "times new roman" font has a not very good spacing
[06:35] <yao_ziyuan> for example,
[06:35] <yao_ziyuan> my firefox displays this web page in times new roman: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/04/gallery_plasma
[06:35] <yao_ziyuan> it's like some spacings are too narrow while some others too wide
[06:35] <yao_ziyuan> i think this times font is not mature
[06:36] <yao_ziyuan> or maybe i just should get used to it...
[06:36] <Jucato> hm...
[06:36]  * Jucato takes a glance at Hobbsee
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, well.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> that guy stilll has a clue, even if he hasn't learnt yet about where he should put things so that htey are effective.
[06:38] <Jucato> does Ubuntu have a new Times New Roman font? :)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> funny thing is, i think he's got msttcorefonts there, for it to be times new roman.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> i really doubt it - that's a MS font.
[06:39] <Jucato> definitely... but he didn't stick around long enough to be educated...
[06:39] <Jucato> though I doubt he'll listen :)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ah well
[06:39] <Hobbsee> just send him to microsoft to go and patch the fonts there
[06:39] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:39] <Jucato> wanna bet he'll say that this bug is the only bug that Ubuntu should work on? :D
[06:46]  * eagles0513875 away
[06:46] <Jucato> !away | eagles0513875
[06:46] <ubotu> eagles0513875: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[06:47] <Jucato> oops.. it wasn't a public auto away :)
[06:47] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: he's not that bad.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> (yao)
[07:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if you say so :)
[07:13] <jussi01> argh, why do people always have to be building edgy lang packs in the ppa's? :/
[07:14] <jussi01> I just have 1 litttle package to be built... :/
[07:17] <stdin> jussi01: heh, they always seem to do that at the worse possible time. so far just about every KDE4 release for instance
[07:17] <jussi01> stdin: why do they do it? I mean, really :/
[07:18] <Jucato> It's a konspiracy, I tell you!
[07:18] <jussi01> lol
[07:18] <stdin> why? I don't know. ask pitti I guess
[07:18] <Jucato> he's part of the konspiracy! hush...
[07:19]  * Jucato grins devilishly
[07:21] <jussi01> hehe
[07:24]  * jussi01 sighs...  BUILDING i386 build of language-pack-is 1:6.10+20080409 in ubuntu edgy RELEASE [ubuntu-langpack] (AUTO) - 29 waiting
[07:27] <stdin> 16 language packs so, ~16 mins (3 mins per package/3 buildds) and then 10 other packages :)
[07:28] <stdin> I'd guess you have at least an hour to wait
[07:28] <stdin> and that's if one buildd doesn't break in the meantime
[07:30]  * jussi01 cries
[07:31] <jussi01> stdin: how did you know it was 16 lang packs?
[07:31] <stdin> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[07:31] <jussi01> ahh
[07:32] <stdin> I've checked that page more times that I've checked my own homepage by now...
[07:32] <\sh> apachelogger, re: Icons -> yesterday I reinstalled a machine with yesterdays ubuntu daily iso..installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop...removed all .kde* dirs from $HOME...and voila menu icons...so I think it's a problem installing kde3 at the same time, or doing a dist-upgrade from gutsy with kde3 + installing kde4 afterwards.
[08:02] <mhb> hi folks
[08:02] <jussi01> morning mhb
[08:06] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I was wondering if I should be in our -kde4 group in launchpad
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you can if you like
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which package?
[08:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: heh, I will then thanks, should get prepared for 4.1 happiness
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[08:45] <Hobbsee> is anyone subscribed to the mailing list so far?
[08:46] <Tm_T> I haven't, though, I haven't been in home much lately
[08:54] <Hobbsee> oh well, we'll see what happens.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you accept both invitations please?
[08:56] <sahin_h> Hi! I have only two choices in the screensaver configuration in hardy when I use KDE4.
[08:56] <sahin_h> The two choices: Blank screen and Random.
[08:56] <sahin_h> Is it a known bug?
[08:57] <sahin_h> In KDE3 everything is normal. I have the usual screensaver selections.
[08:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what will they do?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: join kubuntu-kde4-members
[08:58] <Riddell> sahin_h: I suspect that proves how many people care about screensavers these days
[09:00] <sahin_h> Riddell: Well, I'm using screensaver to lock my computer. I have funny colleagues. You know. ;-)
[09:00] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: blank?
[09:01] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Yes, blank is a possible option. However I prefer the clock screensaver.
[09:02] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: And screensaver just works when I used KDE 4.0.2 on hardy.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> right
[09:03] <sahin_h> Is it time to fill a bugreport on lp?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: do you have kscreensaver-kde4 installed?
[09:05] <sahin_h> Nevermind. Problem solved.
[09:05] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: Yes, you're right!
[09:05] <Hobbsee> sahin_h: thought so.
[09:05] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: aptitude install kscreensaver-kde4 solved the problem.
[09:06] <sahin_h> Hobbsee: However I think kubuntu-kde4-desktop package has to depends on kscreensaver-kde4
[09:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what package?
[09:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: enocontext.
 Jucato: which package? <-- I meant your question :)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> oh
[09:13] <Jucato> or did you mistake me for jussi01 again? :)
[09:13] <Jucato> or jussio1
[09:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: was the one that was supposed to be fore
[09:13] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:13] <Jucato> :D
[09:13] <Hobbsee> damn tab.
[09:13]  * Jucato just loves when that happens :)
[09:14] <Jucato> can't wait for the day when someone gives me credit for jussi01/jussio1's work :)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:15]  * Hobbsee looks up his LP page, finds his ppa
[09:16]  * Jucato wonders if LP is just slow for him, or slow in general...
[09:16] <Hobbsee> meh.  his build is already done
[09:16]  * Hobbsee can boost the priority of individual packages, for ppa
[09:17] <Jucato> is there anything you *can't* do? :D
[09:17] <Hobbsee> a lot.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> there's still a whole bunch of stuff not implemented thru LP
[09:18] <Jucato> but you can poke a lot too heheh :)
[09:18]  * Jucato hugs Hobbsee
[09:18] <Hobbsee> and i don't work fro canonical, so...
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hehe, indee.d
[09:18] <Jucato> indee.d... in the tradition of init.d and profile.d :D
[09:18] <Jucato> lol sorry :)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:19] <davmor2> Riddell: everything relatively stable cd wise?
[09:20] <Riddell> davmor2: I believe so
[09:20] <Riddell> 20080417.1 for alternates, 20080417 for desktops
[09:20] <sahin_h> I filled a bug against kubuntu-kde4-desktop. How can I mark it as a wish? This bug isn't so serious.
[09:20] <sahin_h> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta/+bug/218552/
[09:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218552 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "kubuntu-kde4-desktop dependency on kscreensaver-kde4" [Undecided,New]
[09:20] <davmor2> cool :)
[09:22]  * Hobbsee wonders how big the kde4 images are anyway, and if htey're pushed for space
[09:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: 1024x768?
[09:23] <Jucato> oh wait.. different kind of image :/
[09:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:51] <Hobbsee> bits accepted.  yay
[09:57] <eagles0513875> can anyone confirm bug #218547
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218547 in firefox-3.0 "firefox 3 doesnt know how to open downloaded files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218547
[09:57] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: morning
[09:59] <eagles0513875> bug #218547 actually is confirmed
[10:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218547 in firefox-3.0 "firefox 3 doesnt know how to open downloaded files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218547
[10:00] <eagles0513875> i would be willing to work on this bug but im guessing one needs firefox knowledge
[10:02] <windowslogger> eagles0513875: hey
[10:02] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: sup
[10:03] <windowslogger> we were talking yesterday about how long it took you to get the kdebase bugs fixed with the result that we don't think you should do _bug fixing_ just now
[10:03] <windowslogger> I think you and me were talking about 6 hours to get these small patches created
[10:04] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: apachelogger is the one who created the bug im new to this world here
[10:04] <windowslogger> eagles0513875: therefore I highly recommend you should start off with testing
[10:04] <windowslogger> windowslogger = apachelogger
[10:04] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: oh
[10:04] <windowslogger> eagles0513875: I know that you are new ;-)
[10:05] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: didnt realize that u were one in the same lol
[10:05] <eagles0513875> now i do
[10:05] <windowslogger> !u | eagles0513875
[10:05] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[10:05]  * eagles0513875 bangs head on desk
[10:06] <windowslogger> eagles0513875: currently we need a lot of ISO testing for hardy, so I recommend you talk to Riddell on how to get get started with it
[10:06] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: ok
[10:06] <eagles0513875> whats the pbuilder environment for is that for testing
[10:06] <windowslogger> no, building packages
[10:06] <windowslogger> which leads to another thing
[10:07] <Serega> CD images for testing should be taken from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20080417/   right?
[10:07] <Riddell> Serega: yep
[10:08] <Riddell> Serega: or daily/ or kubuntu-kde4/
[10:08] <Riddell> or dvd/
[10:08] <eagles0513875> windowslogger: that answers my question about iso testing
[10:08] <eagles0513875> Riddell: what exactly needs to be tested on the iso
[10:08] <Riddell> eagles0513875: installing it
[10:08] <davmor2> Riddell: Or all Like me :)
[10:08] <eagles0513875> Riddell: ok lol
[10:08] <Riddell> you can also follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop
[10:09] <Riddell> and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Cases/KubuntuKDE4Desktop
[10:10] <eagles0513875> question and this is probably a really noobish question how does one test the bug fixes that they work on
[10:10] <Serega> great
[10:10] <Riddell> by running the app and seeing if the issue has been fixed
[10:10]  * Serega believes today is a perfect day to install hardy to the laptop :)
[10:11] <eagles0513875> how does one install the updated pkg
[10:11] <Riddell> eagles0513875: google it!
[10:11] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:15] <apachelogger> ha, there went the collection
[10:15] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the other thing is - please try to only ask questions when you can't find the answers using wiki.ubunt/help.ubuntu/google.com
[10:16] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: otherwise you keep developers busy with answering questions about stuff which is well documented anyway
[10:16] <apachelogger> and therfore slow down development
[10:16] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok
[10:16] <eagles0513875> sry to all for all my stupid questions
[10:18] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: well, it's better to ask questions than to stay unknowing, but since most common stuff in ubuntu development is documented somewhere certain questions are just pointless
[10:19] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok i got ya. i got a question i just confirmed a firefox3 bug to be able to fix it would u need to have a decent knowledge about firefoc
[10:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I wouldn't go for it then, but rather provide information as those who know about firefox request them
[10:21] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok
[10:21] <apachelogger> in genearl I recommend you to do some work on bugs, try to reproduce them, if you do, mark them as confirmed, if information gets requested, provide it etc.
[10:21] <apachelogger> I think you can get a fairly good knowledge about ubuntu and the ubuntu development processes
[10:22] <apachelogger> this way you can support the developers with useful information in order to fix bugs more efficiant
[10:22] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: ok thats what im doing i think what got me on that kde bug was the deadline and not having sufficient time to test it before uploading but in the future i will test before i release
[10:24] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you also didn't work accurate enough, there were at least 50% of all the debdiffs rejected either because the changelog was wrong or you had backup files in the diff
[10:24] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i fixed it to where kate doesnt save them any more
[10:24] <apachelogger> but I think that requires training, and working on bugs is probably a good oportunity to do so
[10:25] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: yeah, still you should review anything before uploading
[10:25] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: i will considering i have been at it for a vry short time i have committed alot of new things to memory
[10:27] <apachelogger> yes, but you are not just now ready to fix bugs in my opinion
[10:27] <apachelogger> these patches take about 5 minutes when you know all that stuff and you really had to start at the very bottom
[10:28] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://www.haklambach.at/U6/Berichte/07_08/20080416_maturapraesentation/images/IMG_0361.jpg
[10:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: woahhhhh
[10:32] <Nightrose> looking good in a suit :P
[10:32] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: who were u presenting to
[10:32] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[10:32] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[10:32] <Riddell> looks like a funeral :)
[10:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: even with a lota business event... i.e. quite similar ;-)
[10:33] <Nightrose> *lol* Riddell
[10:33] <apachelogger> s/business event/business people
[10:33] <apachelogger> s/even/event
[10:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: what did you talk about?
[10:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: the linux migration project we did for that MIVA thingy
[10:34] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: kool
[10:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ah awesome
[10:34] <d-miller> is the kubuntu wallpaper still cc2.5 by-nc-sa, or was an alternative license arranged with its author?
[10:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: our tutor (left hand side) is tha coolest http://www.haklambach.at/U6/Berichte/07_08/20080416_maturapraesentation/images/IMG_0456.jpg :D
[10:37] <eagles0513875> im hoping to start doing kubuntu presentations to these big electronic stores to provide support for machines sold
[10:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hehe
[10:38] <Riddell> d-miller: I'm pretty sure stefans got another licence for it
[10:39] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: you should get a good knowledge about Kubuntu before doing that or they will kick you out really soon for waisting their time ;-)
[10:40] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: probably not a bad idea at least i can start putting a presentation together
[10:40] <d-miller> Riddell: ok either way the copyright file in k-d-s still mentions the vladstudio one
[10:40] <Nightrose> right :) and if it is good it can be used by others as well
[10:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hihi @ http://www.haklambach.at/U6/Berichte/07_08/20080416_maturapraesentation/pages/IMG_0451.htm <- typical Alex style ;-)
[10:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: he said like 300 times 'nun'
[10:55] <Nightrose> *lol*
[10:55] <apachelogger> "und nun kann man foobar"
[11:29] <smarter_> ScottK: around?
[11:52] <mok0> Ever since one of the recent upgrades, many of the icons in my KDE4 menu have disappeard
[11:55] <mok0> could it be some cache thing?
[11:56] <Riddell> wouldn't think so
[11:56] <Riddell> kde doesn't have an icon cache
[11:56] <mok0> It's not all icons, it's mainly the ones that expand
[12:01] <mok0> Hmm, I can't even change icon theme... the progress bar just goes to 90% and then start over... until I cancel
[12:04] <eagles0513875> Riddell: is the meeting you are having for everyone or particular people
[12:05] <Riddell> eagles0513875: kubuntu meetings are for anyone, but we don't have one planned
[12:05] <eagles0513875> i just got an email saying there was one in 30 min
[12:05] <Riddell> hrm
[12:05] <eagles0513875> from the mailing list
[12:05] <Jucato> that happened 12 hours ago
[12:06] <Riddell> then the mailing list is being slow
[12:06] <Riddell> I sent that last night
[12:06] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:08]  * Nightrose got that mail last night
[12:08] <Riddell> New Kubuntu Desktop CDs up 20080417.1
[12:11] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: i think there is something screwey with my isp
[12:11] <Nightrose> might be :)
[12:12]  * Nightrose would love to test isos but can't :( - really hope my connection gets fixed tomorrow
[12:16] <smarter> I think I've found a bug in PolicyKit with guidance-power-manager
[12:16] <smarter> step 1: launch gpm, make sure that you can change cpu frequency
[12:16] <smarter> step 2: do "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart", restart gpm
[12:17] <smarter> you cannot change cpu frequency anymore
[12:18] <smarter> If I prevent gpm from catching the errors, I see this: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.CPUFreq.org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.cpufreq no <-- (action, result)
[12:19] <eagles0513875> and i just found another bug
[12:19] <eagles0513875> i just installed gpm and i cant even launch it
[12:20] <Jucato> sure you installed guidance-power-manager and not gpm?
[12:20] <Jucato> !info gpm
[12:20] <ubotu> gpm (source: gpm): General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-25 (gutsy), package size 372 kB, installed size 708 kB
[12:24] <eagles0513875> has anyone else had it in amarok 1.4.9 where they would be listening then all of a sudden it randomly cuts off saying the play list is finished when its not. the only way to get back to listening to the stream would be to rebuffer. or other scnairon on one particular stream last night out of the blue it would change songs but i would not be getting any audio coming through on this end. it would still be streaming but no audio
[12:24] <eagles0513875> coming through. then again to remedy the situation i would have to rebuffer the stream
[12:29] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: morning
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[12:30] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: u listen to streams much on amarok cuz i seem to be having this particular issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/218607
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218607 in amarok "amarok 1.4.9 cut audio streams" [Undecided,New]
[12:31] <JontheEchidna> No, I don't.
[12:31] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: i am not sure if its a connectivity issue or an amarok bug
[12:32]  * Nightrose slaps eagles0513875 
[12:32]  * eagles0513875 gives self a black eye
[12:32] <Nightrose> and yes it might be a problem with the stream or your connection
[12:32] <Nightrose> please try other strems and see if it still happens
[12:32] <eagles0513875> even a shoutcast stream it happened already today
[12:33] <eagles0513875> even on the cool streams it does the same thing but 2nd issue happens only on this particular stream but not on any others
[12:35] <smarter> hipothesis: PolicyKit doesn't work, unless DBUS is restarted and then guidance-power-manager doesn't know how to interact with PolicyKit
[12:45] <eagles0513875> is this ok to be packaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218571
[12:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218571 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] GHC6 STM" [Undecided,New]
[12:49] <smarter> It looks like consolekit sessions are stopped when dbus is restarted
[12:49] <smarter> (check with ck-list-sessions)
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> I have a debdiff to fix bug 218552
[13:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218552 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "kubuntu-kde4-desktop dependency on kscreensaver-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218552
[13:02] <JontheEchidna> Who should I poke when I have things such as bugfixes? Or, I suppose, what is the normal way to make known that I have made a patch?
[13:13] <stdin> JontheEchidna: upload it to the bug report
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, good
[13:15] <stdin> JontheEchidna: can you set the bug to confirmed then? and I think it should recommend kscreensaver-kde4, not depend
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> I set it to recommend on kscreensaver-kde4, I believe
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> Unless I'm horribly mistaken
[13:16] <stdin> oh, so you did ;)
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[13:17] <stdin> then just prod Riddell
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:20] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: that don't ask 'silly questions' also applies also to issues you might have - #kubuntu or #kubuntu-kde4 is the channel of choice... same for pasting bugs you just reported
[13:20] <apachelogger> and
[13:20] <apachelogger> !u | eagles0513875
[13:20] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> I have to be going now, see you guys later.
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I have a fix for bug 218552, so obligatory *poke*
[13:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218552 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "kubuntu-kde4-desktop dependency on kscreensaver-kde4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218552
[13:39] <Hobbsee> greetings
[13:41] <Jucato> Live long and prosper! \\//,
[13:41] <smarter> ScottK: I've modified a bit the powermanager patch to handle hal/dbus restarts: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu16.debdiff
[13:41]  * Hobbsee reads backscroll, cringes.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> for the love of all things nice and fluffy.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: if you ask another stupid question, that you could have easily googled and gotten an answer for, i'm banning you from here too, because you're disrupting development.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Also see what apachelogger told you earlier.
[13:43] <apachelogger> oh, Hobbsee is here
[13:43] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: hey :)
[13:43] <Hobbsee> heya apachelogger
[13:43] <Jucato> oh Hobbsee is here? O.o
[13:43] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: yeah, was watching tv
[13:43]  * Jucato hides
[13:43] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: any objections?
[13:44] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: nope
[13:44] <smarter> +1
[13:45] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: or go now?
[13:45] <Hobbsee> guess i'd better wait a little bit, at least.
[13:45] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: give him a chance
[13:45] <Hobbsee> k
[13:46] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you really should restrain a bit in what you say in here
[13:46] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: he's been told that before, it hasn't stopped him previously.
[13:46] <apachelogger> existing bans is not a good condition really
[13:48] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: eparse?
[13:48] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: what does eparse mean?
[13:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: "i don't understand" - it actually means "error parsing"
[13:49] <Hobbsee> or "error in parse"
[13:49] <Jucato> heheh
[13:49] <Jucato> geek :P
[13:49] <Hobbsee> like ENOJUCATO means that there's an error that Jucato isn't here
[13:49] <apachelogger> indeed
[13:50] <Hobbsee> i pikced it up from #u-d a long time ago, i'm afraid
[13:50] <Jucato> lol! so that's what that meant :)
[13:50] <Jucato> elol
[13:50] <Jucato> error in laughing out loud
[13:50] <Jucato> (means either you choked or coughed or fell of your chair, in which case you're roflmao'ing)
[13:51] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: I just wanted to make clear that eagles0513875 is having a higher risk of getting banned than someone who is not already banned in other ubuntu channel's
[13:51] <apachelogger> considering banning happens for a reason
[13:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: indeed.
[13:51]  * apachelogger would actually do it in a random way
[13:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: well, actually - if he put this into any development channels, he'd get the boot pretty quickly.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: but here, he gets less chances, as he's already had his chances back in june and july last year, got banned, has shown up in here, and has still shown no real signs of improvement (excluding hitting on me)
[13:52] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: the fact that he has bans in other channels is irrelevant - but the fact that he has been banned previously, and shows no sign of improvement, does.
[13:53] <Hobbsee> if that makes sense.
[13:54] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: it does, though for me, as someone who just tries to work here, an existing ban would increase the probably I ask for a ban
[13:57] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: true
[14:18] <Riddell> glad to see the kde 4 CD does have icons in the apps menu, mok0 and \sh must be imagining it :)
[14:19] <\sh> Riddell, it's really a glitch when a) upgrading from gutsy+kde3 or kde3+kde4 somewhat installed at the same time
[14:19] <\sh> Riddell, on a clean hardy with kde3 isntalled then kde4 I actually don't see the menu icons at all (the app icons are there)
[14:21] <\sh> Riddell, even with removing all ~/.kde* dirs/files
[14:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how big are our kde4 cds?
[14:22] <Riddell> about 6 inches :)
[14:28] <Hobbsee> bah.
[14:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: size-wize, re adding kscreensaver-kde4 to them
[14:41] <Riddell> about 700MB
[14:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmm.
[14:52] <nixternal> mornin'
[14:53] <nixternal> hahaha, about 6 inches....that was a good one
[14:53] <seele> 6 inches huh?
[14:53] <Jucato> O.o
[14:53] <Jucato> that can be (mis)interpreted in soooo many ways
[14:53] <nixternal> seele: not over at Nationals stadium this morning?
[14:54] <seele> nixternal: ugh.. no way.  my friends are trying to get me to go to a Pirates/Nationals game this weekend
[14:54] <nixternal> hey, Nationals have a chance against the Pirates
[14:54] <Jucato> seele: I get to see your glasses everytime I run Akregator 4 btw :)
[14:54] <seele> nixternal: i made the mistake of scheduling a meeting in town the same day of the papal mass :p
[14:55] <Riddell> kwwii: doing any test installs today?
[14:55] <nixternal> my brother got skybox tickets for the cubs game last night but I didn't go...kickin' myself for not going now
[14:55] <seele> nixternal: i'm from pittsburgh, so i would be going to watch the pirates get their asses kicked
[14:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[14:55] <nixternal> what is it about the DC area and people from Pittsburgh? when I was stationed there, everyone in my command was a Pittsburgh fan
[14:56] <nixternal> is Pittsburgh that bad people would move to DC?
[14:56] <bentob0x> will 2.6.25 be in 8.04?
[14:56] <nixternal> don't think so
[14:56] <bentob0x> or is it waaaay too short :)
[14:56] <seele> nixternal: rockville is the #3 relocation city for pittsburghers, i think somewhere in virginia is #8 and gaithersburg is #11
[14:56] <nixternal> not enough time I don't think
[14:57] <nixternal> seele: wow, didn't know that
[14:57] <seele> nixternal: there was a mass exodus in the 70s because the steel industry collapsed
[14:57] <nixternal> ahh, that makes sense
[14:57] <bentob0x> chances for an update to 2.6.25 within how many months you think?
[14:57] <seele> nixternal: now it has the problem of creating a sustainable tech industry.. all of the talent is leaving the city
[14:57] <nixternal> I wonder if some went into the mining business then in VA and northern MD
[14:58] <nixternal> bentob0x: probably as soon as the Intrepid repos open it will get upgraded there...wouldn't count on it getting upgraded in Hardy any time soon if at all
[14:58] <nixternal> but I don't follow the kernel development, so that is just a guess or my opinion really
[14:58] <seele> nixternal: i think most of the DC transplants are college graduates
[14:58] <bentob0x> k
[14:59] <nixternal> my cousin lived in Pittsburgh as a computer programmer, but the jobs left, so he became a truck driver, and makes way more money now
[14:59] <seele> lol
[14:59] <nixternal> ya, never saw that one coming at all
[15:00] <nixternal> I am guessing my x-wife and daughter made it to Nationals stadium for Mass
[15:01] <seele> yeah.. the trains were a mess
[15:01] <nixternal> can't get a hold of them at all...and my x is greek orthodox but loves the pope
[15:01] <seele> lol
[15:01] <nixternal> the trains are always a mess..or at least they were in the 90s
[15:01] <seele> rush hour always.. but my meeting was at 230 and it was a mess :)
[15:02] <nixternal> jeesh, I used to drive from southern md (south of waldorf) up to FNMA on Wisconsin in DC (just outside Chevy Chase)...talk about a fun drive
[15:02] <seele> oh ew
[15:02] <seele> how long did that take?
[15:03] <nixternal> the funny thing is though, that was more than 40 miles one way, and it always took about an hour to get to work
[15:03] <seele> wow, that's not bad
[15:03] <nixternal> I live 20 miles from the city here in Chicago, and it takes anywhere between 1 to 2 hours
[15:03] <seele> i've come back from meetings in NoVa back to Gaithersburg (~20 miles) and its taken over an hour
[15:04] <nixternal> ya, I stayed off of the highways...especially the beltway
[15:04] <nixternal> only time I got on the beltway is when I worked in Crystal City across the street from the Pentagon
[15:05] <seele> when are you back in MD? youre still in chicago, right?
[15:05] <nixternal> ya
[15:06] <nixternal> I will probably come out for a week or so after my daughter finishes school
[15:06] <nixternal> haven't made up my mind 100% if I am going to move there right away just yet
[15:06] <seele> ah
[15:12] <eagles0513875> is amarok2 alpha need testing
[15:20] <Hobbsee> ...all of it needs testing.  That's why it's a development release.
[15:33] <kwwii> Riddell: if the iso's are ready I can try one out
[15:34] <Riddell> kwwii: certainly are, fill in whichever gaps you want on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[15:50] <Riddell> jcastro: you tried OEM install on the kde 4 CD?  did you see drawing errors on the background of the OEM user setup app?
[15:51] <jcastro> Riddell: no I didn't, I can check again though
[15:51] <Riddell> jcastro: don't worry, it's not important
[15:51] <Riddell> I can test it other ways
[15:53] <nixternal> jcastro: got the bbq warmed up yet :)
[15:53] <nixternal> jcastro: Gabriel isn't going to make it, seems he is still not feeling well
[15:53] <jcastro> nixternal: nope, testing kubuntu ISOs, it'll be warm by the time you get here though.
[15:54] <nixternal> maybe I can get Jeff to leave at 1 so we get there around 7
[15:54] <nixternal> I think you have met Jeff before as well, possibly last week at LUG Radio Live
[15:54] <jcastro> nixternal: it's a trap, in the guise of a BBQ - I'm actually going to conscript everyone to test ISOs. heh.
[15:54] <nixternal> hehe
[15:55] <nixternal> I know Jeff tests ISOs all of the time...he always complains to me about something :)
[15:56] <jcastro> I am ready this time, bumped up to 4gb for vm goodness
[15:57] <nixternal> hehe
[15:57] <nixternal> I just keep wiping my one desktop all of the time
[15:57] <nixternal> the hard drive is going to give up one of these days though
[15:57] <jjesse> is it the current daily that is the candidate?
[15:57] <nixternal> I think that is how I have killed drives int he past
[15:57] <nixternal> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[15:58] <nixternal> I think you can grab the link to the iso there....I am packing for Michigan :)
[15:58] <nixternal> jjesse: you should come up to Penguicon
[15:58] <jjesse> would love to if i had time
[15:58] <jcastro> Riddell: oh, I triggered something, failed to create filesystem on OEM install
[15:59] <nixternal> jcastro: are you using vbox?
[15:59] <jcastro> yes
[15:59] <nixternal> using a static drive size or the growing type?
[15:59] <jcastro> growing type
[15:59] <nixternal> that could be the problem
[15:59] <jcastro> should I be using the static type?
[15:59] <nixternal> I blogged about that a month or so back
[15:59] <jcastro> looking, thanks
[15:59] <nixternal> I use the static type because I have had that same issue in the past
[16:00] <nixternal> but usually, if it creates the file on a regular install, you would think it would do the same for oem
[16:00] <jcastro> yeah it worked on the non-oem ones
[16:00] <nixternal> my main problem was always with grub though but I had seen the 'failed to create filesystem' with it
[16:03] <nixternal> jcastro: truth be told, I think Gabriel got scared knowing he would be riding with KDE'ites :)
[16:03] <nixternal> haha, didn't want us dropping him off in Gary..that is to funny
[16:03] <jcastro> I think he got sick @ LRL
[16:03] <nixternal> ya, that's what he said...he got a sore throat
[16:03] <nixternal> I woke up in Michigan on Saturday with a sore throat that about took me out
[16:14] <stdin> can someone test something for me in kde4, try "kdesudo <anything>" from a term but enter the wrong pass, does kdesudo actually exit?
[16:14]  * nixternal tests
[16:14] <nixternal> We'll all be murdered in our beds!
[16:14] <nixternal> passprompt
[16:15] <nixternal> You'll starve!
[16:15] <nixternal> passprompt
[16:15] <nixternal> There must be cure for it!
[16:15] <nixternal> sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts
[16:15] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[16:15] <nixternal> after 3 attempts it exited
[16:15] <stdin> is that kdesudo kde3 or kde4, kde4 one don't output anything for me
[16:15] <nixternal> kde 4
[16:15] <nixternal> or
[16:15] <nixternal> oh
[16:15]  * nixternal checks
[16:16] <nixternal> installing kde4 version now
[16:16] <stdin> heh :p
[16:16] <stdin> also, I noticed that kdesudo always returns 0, so there's no way to check for successful execution of a command
[16:17] <txwikinger> Did anything in X break (forwarded X over ssh)
[16:17] <nixternal> mine quit stdin
[16:18] <nixternal> after 3 attempts
[16:18] <stdin> hmm, mine seems to just hang
[16:18] <nixternal> it does if I hit cancel
[16:19] <nixternal> just noticed that
[16:19] <nixternal> which kdesudo shows /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdesudo
[16:20] <nixternal> but when I run kdesudo kwrite foo it pops up the kde3 version
[16:20] <stdin> yeah, that's actually a sudo issue
[16:20] <stdin> sudo seems to use a fixed path
[16:36] <\sh> Riddell, why it's not possible to resize the kde4 panel to small or tiny and have a usable panel after that? the icons are not shrinking with the panel actually..
[16:38] <Nightrose> \sh: there seem to be rendering problems with some applets in smaller sizes
[16:38] <Nightrose> seems to happen for everyone
[16:39] <\sh> Nightrose, hmmm...I thought at least the icons were now in svg mode..and they should scale up/down properly
[16:40] <yuriy> morning
[16:44] <apachelogger> \sh: no, they use png by default... still icon != icon, eventually everything on the desktop is a plasmoid or containment
[16:45]  * \sh makes a mindnote: present kde4 in default mode and don't change anything, it could fail ;) 
[16:46]  * apachelogger agrees
[16:47] <Nightrose> \sh: hehe I will stop you from changing anything I know will break :P
[16:47] <Nightrose> and I tried a lot so far ;-)
[16:52] <jjesse> interseting in my vm no matter how many times i click on install nothing happens
[16:52] <jjesse> on the daily-live labeled current
[16:55] <jjesse> having problems from the command line or rom KRunner running ubiquity-kdeui
[16:57] <jjesse> anyone else?
[16:59]  * jjesse heads to luanch
[16:59] <jjesse> i can call ubiquity via the command ubiquity in KRunner, but not ubiquity-kdeui as the iccon refers to
[16:59] <Artemis_Fowl> at last...the feature I have been working on for over a week is at last ready.
[16:59] <jjesse> once again htis is on the daily-live\current
[16:59]  * Artemis_Fowl does the happy dance ;-)
[17:00] <Riddell> jjesse: what output in /var/log/system and /var/log/installer/debug?
[17:00] <yuriy> somebody confirm bug 218722?
[17:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218722 in kdebase "Kubuntu 8.04 - Kde Trash Applet - No empty Menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218722
[17:06] <jjesse> Riddell: when i click on the install icon?
[17:08] <jjesse> Riddell: here is the pastebin of /var/log/installer/debug
[17:09] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7301
[17:09] <jjesse> Riddell: no file for /var/log/system
[17:09] <Riddell> /var/log/syslog
[17:09] <jjesse> ah
[17:09] <jjesse> sorry
[17:10] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7302
[17:10] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: restore grub?
[17:11] <Riddell> jjesse: nothing very interesting there
[17:11] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: yep. install/restore grub
[17:11] <jjesse> i can't find the command ubiquity-kdeui
[17:11] <Riddell> jjesse: the command is ubiquity
[17:11] <jjesse> ah
[17:12] <jjesse> calling the command works but not from the icon
[17:17] <Riddell> jjesse: how about "ubiquity kde_ui"
[17:18] <jjesse> calling that from either the command line or krunner works correctly
[17:18] <jjesse> but i can't get the about kubuntu desktop icon to load either
[17:20] <nixternal> jcastro: is Adam Israel going to be at your place tonight?
[17:21] <jjesse> anyone else running the current daily-live in a vm and not being able to launch any of the icons on the dstkop?
[17:24] <smarter> ScottK: ping
[17:25] <Riddell> jjesse: jcastro was
[17:25] <Riddell> and it works fine for me on raw hardware
[17:25] <jjesse> must be me :)
[17:27] <Riddell> jjesse: what happens running "ubiquity kde_ui" from a console?
[17:27] <jjesse> Riddell: the installer launches and i can install
[17:28] <Riddell> most peculiar
[17:29] <jjesse> that's what i thought, must be my own system or something
[17:29] <jjesse> i can blame the host operating system ;)
[17:54] <jcastro> jjesse: all the icons and widgets and all that stuff is working for me so far.
[17:54] <jjesse> jcastro: hrmm must be something weird for me
[17:55] <jjesse> i'm using the daily-live/current iso for kde4
[17:55] <jcastro> I am using 20080417.1
[17:56] <jjesse> i just downloaded current, i can redownload it
[17:56] <jjesse> for kde4 or kde3?
[17:56] <jcastro> kde4
[17:56] <jcastro> let me add a bunch of custom icons to the desktop and see if I can break something
[17:58] <Riddell> jjesse: check the md5sum, no need to redownload
[17:58] <jcastro> all the desktop and panel icons seem to work as intended for me
[17:59] <jcastro> I get the cool animations too. :D
[17:59] <jjesse> maybe i got it screwed up or something
[17:59] <jcastro> I'm on i386 btw
[18:02] <jjesse> me 2
[18:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: do motus get a discount at the canonical store?
[18:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I know of
[18:19] <apachelogger> too bad :(
[18:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: what would you buy?
[18:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: couple of stuff, most important the new backpack :)
[18:24] <Riddell> hmm, bug 175909 looks basty
[18:24] <Riddell> nasty
[18:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175909 in kde-systemsettings "Administrator button fails to work in kde-settings and kcontrol" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175909
[18:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: know anything about that?
[18:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: ya, I like that new backpack myself
[18:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: gutsy probably :)
[18:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: nonewdcop causing problems, fixed on hardy
[18:26] <Riddell> people are reporting it now
[18:26] <Riddell> I'll test when I next have a KDE 3 desktop running
[18:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: a bit expensive compared to the same version without branding (120 usd vs. 60)
[18:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's live session issue since newdcop isn't working somehow
[18:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: only on live cd I presume right ?
[18:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that I can't test the livecd...... won't work on a mac
[18:27] <nixternal> alrighty, heading out for my road trip and geek weekend...see you all during the week
[18:28] <nixternal> jcastro's house or bust!  see ya between 19:00 and 20:00 jcastro :)
[18:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I know what is the problem exctly, that just cause the dcop env variable isn't exported or some reason
[18:28] <jcastro> nixternal: cheers!
[18:29] <apachelogger> apprently I should have kept nixternal busier :P
[18:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, can you please take a look at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/kdebase-runtime/kdebase-runtime_4.0.3-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[18:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: a simple : kdesudo --nonewdcop -c "kcmshell kcmfontinst" should give you the trick
[18:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry or not beeing able to test, but no more PC here......
[18:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems all good
[18:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[18:49] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[19:00] <mhb> good evening
[19:19] <yuriy> Bug 204144 is pretty important if true
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204144 in kde4libs "kde4 doesn't utilize mutiple available CPU cores" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204144
[19:20] <jjesse> good evening mhb
[19:21] <apachelogger> yuriy: I, for one, don't think that is a KDE 4 issue
[19:22] <apachelogger> maybe KDM
[19:22] <apachelogger> which would be really no surprise IMO
[19:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's broken on installed KDE 3 systems too :(
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ????????????
[19:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: works for me
[19:22] <yuriy> apachelogger: it's probably not, but nasty nonetheless
[19:23] <apachelogger> yuriy: also it might as well be that the reporter uses kdm3 actually
[19:23] <apachelogger> which would explain everything, since that thing defenitely had no threading support at all
[19:23] <Riddell> yuriy: I can't recreate bug bug 218722
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't reproduce.....
[19:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218722 in kdebase "Kubuntu 8.04 - Kde Trash Applet - No empty Menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218722
[19:23] <yuriy> apachelogger: well the problem isn't threading but that other processes should be using the other cpu if one is at 100%
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: if the bug is there for all new installations, then it is higly critical
[19:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum............... I can try the desktop cd in virtualbox eventually
[19:24] <dinosaur-rus> can anybody update man page in nvclock package? it's way too outdated ATM...
[19:24] <apachelogger> yuriy: well, talk to upstream about that
[19:24] <yuriy> and i'm concerned because i've rarely seen my total cpu usage over 100% so it might be an actual problem
[19:24] <apachelogger> they will probably tell you it's a underlying issue, which is of course possible ;-)
[19:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you reproduce on your laptop ?
[19:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: admin mode with systemsettings just works for me
[19:24] <yuriy> apachelogger: the last comment is interesting
[19:25] <yuriy> One thing I did notice though, is that both cores are utilized when I set concurrency to 'shell' in /etc/init.d/rc, but that causes HAL to stop working.
[19:25] <mhb> yuriy: in GNOME it works?
[19:25] <yuriy> mhb: i don't know, i haven't done that much research
[19:25] <apachelogger> I've got the same problem with Hardy RC, running GNOME. Hardware is an AMD Athlon X2 5600+ with 3 GB RAM.
[19:25] <apachelogger> apparently not
[19:25] <mhb> yuriy: it may be a kernel bug, I havent seen my other core go 100% either for some time
[19:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes I can reproduce
[19:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: downloading the iso, I'll try to reproduce...... wierd issue anyway
[19:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird.......
[19:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have absolutly no problem
[19:26] <mhb> and I dont use KDE4 at all, KDE3 apps sometimes
[19:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about kdesudo --nonewdcop -c "kcmshell kcmfontinst"
[19:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: does this work for you ?
[19:27] <Tonio_> works for me
[19:27] <mhb> so, did you have a good meeting yesterday? Sorry for not coming... I have taken a quick look at the logs, you did not decide much it seemed to me
[19:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to fix that one quick....... but I need to find a way to reproduce first....
[19:28] <Tonio_> mhb, apachelogger: what about you ? is going admin mode with kde3/kdesudo works ?
[19:28] <mhb> Tonio_: I can't test right now, will try it later today
[19:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I need to go out for an hour
[19:29] <Riddell> ciao
[19:30] <smarter> Tonio_: works for me
[19:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[19:30] <apachelogger> yuriy, mhb: underlying issue
[19:30] <Tonio_> smarter: weird....... seems to be completly random......
[19:30] <apachelogger> though
[19:30] <apachelogger> no
[19:30] <apachelogger> yuriy, mhb: seems to work for me
[19:30] <smarter> Tonio_: using the "administrator mode" button right?
[19:30] <mhb> apachelogger: the 2 cores?
[19:31] <Tonio_> smarter: yep
[19:31] <apachelogger> mhb: yes
[19:31] <mhb> apachelogger: hmm, nice
[19:36]  * yuriy is looking for a similar kernel bug report
[19:36]  * yuriy also just booted an Ubuntu Hardy cd
[19:36] <yuriy> looks so nice :)
[19:37] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img076.png
[19:37] <apachelogger> running one cat on urandom
[19:38] <mhb> yuriy: hmm, are you using a different KDE than I do? :-)
[19:39] <yuriy> mhb: probably, but hmm?
[19:39] <mhb> yuriy: I can't really say KDE looks nice.
[19:39] <mhb> I'm being brutally honest, though.
[19:39] <yuriy> wow Ubuntu (gnome) dims the laptop screen when idle for a minute. nice.
[19:39] <yuriy> mhb: i can, but i was talking about gnome
[19:39] <mhb> that looks better, no doubt.
[19:39] <apachelogger> *cough*
[19:39] <apachelogger> mac
[19:39] <apachelogger> *cough*
[19:40] <mhb> apachelogger: yes, OS X looks nice by default :o)
[19:40] <apachelogger> they have that auto-dimming for ages :P
[19:41] <mhb> apachelogger: in KDE4, everything is so freaking huge, they really waste a lot of space in oxygen widgets
[19:41] <mhb> apachelogger: your screenshot reminded me of that :o)
[19:41] <yuriy> mhb: hmm i'd have to agree with you there. oxygen is a little big in some places
[19:41] <apachelogger> yep
[19:41] <apachelogger> which is the reason one should use a bigger screen -.-
[19:42] <yuriy> and the 5 pixel line on top of the plasma panel is a total waste of space
[19:42] <yuriy> anyways, offtopic
[19:42] <mhb> not really
[19:42] <mhb> :o)
[19:42] <yuriy> mhb: you're planning to redesign the widget style for Hardy?
[19:42] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure this is not a kdesudo bug but a kcmshell one.....
[19:43] <Tonio_> it doesn't find the module.....
[19:43] <mhb> yuriy: good question, the summer holidays are quite long
[19:43] <Tonio_> can someone reproduce that kdesudo/systemsettings bug ?
[19:43] <apachelogger> Tonio_: which bug?
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: admin mode doesn't work in systemsettings
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: looks like broken with all new installations and live cd
[19:43] <apachelogger> I think I looked at it
[19:43] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I think the issue is not kdesudo
[19:43] <apachelogger> it is some sycoca issue
[19:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep
[19:44] <apachelogger> either sycoca is not accessible
[19:44] <apachelogger> not built
[19:44] <apachelogger> or broken
[19:44] <Tonio_> exactly
[19:44] <Tonio_> not built as we use the root account
[19:44] <apachelogger> now, if I could run hardy in a vbox...
[19:44] <Tonio_> so kcmshell reports the module is not existing
[19:44] <apachelogger> Tonio_: why didn't it do that before? Oo
[19:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kde changed somehow
[19:44] <apachelogger> cool
[19:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the weird thing is that it works for some people.........
[19:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: easy workaround would be to invoke kbuildsycoca in kdesudo I guess
[19:45] <Tonio_> I suspect some xdg changes, something like this
[19:45] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kbuildsyscoca is invoked
[19:45] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:45] <Tonio_> but the database is empty
[19:45] <Tonio_> kcmshell doesn't find the module
[19:45] <apachelogger> ok
[19:45] <apachelogger> that
[19:45] <apachelogger> is
[19:45] <apachelogger> serious
[19:45] <Tonio_> yep
[19:46]  * apachelogger grabs all VMsoftwares he can find and tries to find one which runs hardy
[19:46] <Tonio_> maybe we have this issue for a long time but as kdesudo previously used the user's env, we didn't notice
[19:46] <apachelogger> blueyed: didn't you want to fix vbox btw?
[19:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: if we can confirm this, this is juste critical
[19:46] <Tonio_> we can't release with that bug in it
[19:46] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: this is exactly the same bug as the empty kcontrol
[19:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: already seen that one ?
[19:47] <Tonio_> broken syscoca
[19:47] <apachelogger> no
[19:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sometimes on some computers, kcontrol is just empty
[19:47] <mhb> Tonio_: I have seen you promoting Pardus configuration tools in the meeting yesterday, are you testing it?
[19:47]  * apachelogger notes that the possability this issue is introduced by one of our patche is fairly high
[19:48] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure that if we can reproduce the bug, then "kdesudo kcontrol" will end up empty
[19:48] <Tonio_> mhb: yes
[19:48] <mhb> now I have unlimited bandwidth (finally), I have to take a look at them too before UDS
[19:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger:
[19:49] <Tonio_> % kdesudo "kcmshell --list"                                                                                                                                      [1.89 2.13 - 40% 1%]
[19:49] <Tonio_> mkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root
[19:49] <Tonio_> kbuildsycoca running...
[19:49] <Tonio_> Reusing existing ksycoca
[19:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: if non existing syscoca, then ksyscoca is called
[19:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: so that's not our problem
[19:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: our problem is that ksyscoca doesn't parse kcm modules for some reason
[19:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: are you sure it's just kcm modules?
[19:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: afaik, yes
[19:50] <apachelogger> hm
[19:50] <apachelogger> there might be something
[19:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but it could be everything
[19:50] <apachelogger> ....
[19:50] <apachelogger> is anyone with gutsy around?
[19:50] <Tonio_> that would be nice, probably easier to fix :)
[19:50] <fdoving> what is the problem?
[19:50] <fdoving> could it be related to X-auth?
[19:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: nope
[19:51] <apachelogger> I think the desktop files changed
[19:51] <apachelogger> either that or KDE 4 got improved
[19:51] <fdoving> i think the xauth part (if it hasn't changed since i hacked it), is error prone.
[19:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: it changed
[19:51] <fdoving> good.
[19:51] <apachelogger> because in 4.0.0 I noticed kde 4 threw all the kcm modules in lost'n'found
[19:52] <Tonio_> fdoving: but I can reproduce the issue with xauth + and sudo -H
[19:52] <Tonio_> that's not kubuntu related
[19:52] <Tonio_> s/kubuntu/kdesudo
[19:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: YEAH !!! that the one
[19:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sometimes this happens with kde3 too
[19:52] <Tonio_> randomly
[19:52] <apachelogger> hm
[19:52]  * apachelogger download the live cd
[19:53] <Tonio_> http://www.google.fr/search?q=empty+kcontrol&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[19:53] <Tonio_> I suggest we look at that
[19:53] <Tonio_> this is commonly known issue
[19:55] <Tonio_> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-549115-highlight-.html?sid=dcdcd79a3f014520122e3063497bb920
[19:55] <Tonio_> interesting
[19:57] <fdoving> Tonio_: thinking about the XDG_DATA_DIRS ?
[19:58] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep
[19:58] <Tonio_> fdoving: now the question is : why does it work for me when I don't have this env variable...
[19:58] <Tonio_> fdoving: and why doesn't it work for riddell
[19:58] <fdoving> how do you test?
[19:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: this var is not necessary
[19:59] <Tonio_> fdoving: atm I'm trying to download the iso to reproduce :)
[19:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: users reported it fixed the issue for them
[19:59] <fdoving> the kde4 livecd right?
[19:59] <fdoving> i have it running in virtualbox.
[19:59] <apachelogger> then something broke within xdg or kde
[19:59] <Tonio_> then I suspect the issue could be due to kstandarddirs
[19:59] <Tonio_> fdoving: am I wrong ?
[19:59] <Tonio_> fdoving: kde3
[19:59] <fdoving> oh.
[19:59] <fdoving> i don't use that anymore :)
[20:00] <apachelogger> lol
[20:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: hehe
[20:00] <fdoving> kstandarddirs haven't changed in kde3, has it?
[20:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: I don't think so
[20:00] <apachelogger> me neither
[20:00] <Tonio_> fdoving: but if the ENV variable doesn't exist, then kstandarddirs is used right ?
[20:00] <fdoving> our kde4 is patched to use ~/.kde4 by default, instead of ~/.kde, that's the only think i'm aware of.
[20:00] <apachelogger> maybe it's caused by some change in the xdg stuff in /etc
[20:00] <fdoving> Tonio_: not for XDG, is it? not sure. i'm not into this.
[20:01] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[20:01] <fdoving> so, i need the kde3 livecd. tonio_ got a link?
[20:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: then the question : why can explain the fct it works for me and not riddell ?
[20:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:01] <Tonio_> kubuntu and daily
[20:01] <fdoving> k.
[20:01] <Tonio_> about 1h download
[20:01] <Tonio_> but that's super critical issue so it deserves an hour :)
[20:01] <Tonio_> eating and then I'll test
[20:01] <Tonio_> fdoving: hopefully you can help, and Riddell's back
[20:02] <fdoving> if the swedish mirror is up2date i can get it pretty quick i think.
[20:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: how would kstandards explain why it is working for you but not Riddell?
[20:02] <fdoving> Tonio_: does this issue have a bug-number?
[20:02] <fdoving> Tonio_: daily-live & current, right?
[20:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep bug  175909
[20:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175909 in kde-systemsettings "Administrator button fails to work in kde-settings and kcontrol" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175909
[20:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep current
[20:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: but in fact when you can think of a kdesudo isue, if you start kdesudo kcontrol, you see it is empty
[20:05] <Tonio_> so it doesn't work coz it can't find the kcm module, due to empty yscoca
[20:05] <Tonio_> I know this issue for a while, but was never able to find out a workarround
[20:05] <fdoving> works for me in my installed hardy.
[20:11] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's the problem, randomly fails
[20:11] <fdoving> well, the whole administration mode-button is removed from kde4-trunks systemsettings.
[20:22] <fdoving> Tonio_: from the kde4 livecd, i installed kde-systemsettings, and i could just fine access the kdm config-module both as root an non-root
[20:23] <Tonio_> weird......
[20:24] <Tonio_> systemsettings version 3 ?
[20:24] <fdoving> yes.
[20:24] <fdoving>  /usr/bin/systemsettings
[20:26] <fdoving> 80% on the kde3 livecd. i'll have a look at that too.
[20:38] <Riddell>  /win 15
[20:38] <Riddell> hmm
[20:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesudo --nonewdcop -c "kcmshell kcmfontinst"
[20:42] <Riddell> kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcmfontinst'.
[20:42] <apachelogger> works for me
[20:42] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7321/
[20:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: KDE 3?
[20:43] <apachelogger> yes
[20:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, that's not a kdesdo bug but a kde one
[20:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad syscoca
[20:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if you do a "sudo -H kbuildsuscoca" ?
[20:44] <Tonio_> kbuildsyscoca, sorry
[20:44] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, shouldn't kdesudo invoke kbuildsycoa?
[20:44] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it does when no database is available
[20:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: now it works
[20:44] <apachelogger> see
[20:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: for some reason the initial syscoca is invalid.......
[20:45] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I think kdesudo doesn't invoke it if it can't access the dcopserver
[20:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to say what is going wrong...
[20:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that has nothing to do with kdesudo
[20:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is the empty kcontrol back
[20:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: same effect, probably same cause
[20:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: why and when would that initial syscoca generate for user root ?
[20:46]  * apachelogger starts the livecd again
[20:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: weird issue no ? ;)
[20:46] <apachelogger> totally
[20:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: we'll have hard time with that one ;)
[20:47] <apachelogger> hardy time
[20:47] <apachelogger> :P
[20:47] <Tonio_> hehe
[20:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: it works with the old kdesu
[20:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: how did you break ksycoca again?
[20:49] <apachelogger> uh ah eh
[20:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I really think this a kdesudo issue
[20:49] <apachelogger> caused by dcop
[20:49] <etretyak> Riddell: hey! do we need this bug #207380 fixed for kde4?
[20:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207380 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "[hardy-KDE4]Cannot access ntfs partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207380
[20:49] <eagles0513875> this is quite interesting im trying to install the gnome desktop so that i can test gnome based bugs and i am unable to i keep getting this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/
[20:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I can reproduce the issue easilly without kdesudo
[20:49] <Tonio_> apache just perform this :
[20:50] <Tonio_> xauth + && sudo -H kcontrol
[20:50] <Tonio_> if you have the kdesudo issue, you'll end up with an empty kcontrol
[20:50] <apachelogger> will not work
[20:50] <apachelogger> there is no sycoca
[20:50] <apachelogger> and kdesudo doesn't generate one
[20:50] <Tonio_> true that
[20:50] <apachelogger> because it can't contact dcop
[20:50] <apachelogger> therefore it doesn't invoke kbuildsycoca even though there is no sycoca
[20:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: DCOPSERVER env variable exists
[20:50] <apachelogger> Tonio_: just start the livecd
[20:51] <apachelogger> open a konsole
[20:51] <Tonio_> I'll do
[20:51] <apachelogger> run the cmd Riddell pasted earlier
[20:51] <Tonio_> once downloaded :)
[20:51] <apachelogger> you will get the same output
[20:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I know I gave him the command :)
[20:51] <apachelogger> and no kbuildsycoca gets generated
[20:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, but the problem is not that the initial sycoca is broken or something
[20:51] <apachelogger> kdesudo just doesn't generate it
[20:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: then the problem is with the env variable
[20:52] <apachelogger> hm
[20:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: when I kill my dcop server and start a new one, and delete everything, I can see kdesudo starting a kbuildsyscoca
[20:52] <apachelogger> awful
[20:52] <Tonio_> well got it
[20:52] <Tonio_> I know what's wrong :)
[20:52] <Tonio_> that's so stupid !!!!!!
[20:53] <Riddell> ooh?
[20:53] <Tonio_> lemme try to explain :
[20:53] <Tonio_> hum no, that was too simple..............
[20:53] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[20:53] <apachelogger> pfft :P
[20:53] <Tonio_> haha
[20:54] <Tonio_> in fact if you use kdesudo whatever it'll work with systemsettings
[20:54] <Tonio_> after
[20:54] <Tonio_> cause the siscoca is build
[20:54] <Tonio_> the problem is that with --nonewdcop it won't run kbuildsyscoca
[20:54] <Tonio_> okay
[20:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger, Riddell, what can be the cause of this ?
[20:55] <Riddell> mm hmm
[20:55] <Tonio_> bah value ?
[20:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you kdesudo env
[20:55] <Tonio_> is the DCOPSERVER variable the good one ?
[20:56] <apachelogger> Tonio_: when I start the cd
[20:56] <apachelogger> open konsole
[20:56] <Riddell> DCOPSERVER=local/wido:/tmp/.ICE-unix/dcop6183-1208461141
[20:56] <apachelogger> run kdesudo foobar
[20:56] <apachelogger> it drops out a most awesome error message
[20:56] <Riddell> which does exist
[20:56] <apachelogger> when I run kdesudo roobar again
[20:56] <apachelogger> it works
[20:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: 94% :)
[20:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there is something wrong initially
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: weird.....
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe not running kbuildsyscoca when dcop server already exists is a wanted purpose no ?
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that kde considers that when you have a dcop server, syscoca is generated
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that we are using room profile with user's dcop
[20:59] <Tonio_> dcop considers the users syscoca is generated
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: does that make sense ?
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: at least for me it does :)
[21:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: root profile and user's dcopserver is a nonsense for kde
[21:00] <Riddell> little about kdesu stuff makes sense
[21:00] <Tonio_> but when you run kdesudo whatever, then no existing dcop, then new dcop is started, according to root
[21:01] <Tonio_> so good dcopserver + good profile + no syscoca = kbuildsyscoca ran
[21:01] <Tonio_> hum, I can workarround this by simple starting kbuildsyscoca only for newdcop
[21:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that acceptable workarround ?
[21:08] <eagles0513875> has anyone else tried to use the sudo apt-get install command to install gnome
[21:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it works, sure
[21:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: do you mean, only for --nonewdcop? isn't that what's beeing used in systemsettings?
[21:12] <Tonio_> ok
[21:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes
[21:12] <fdoving> gotcha.
[21:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: this is the only case where the problem appears
[21:12] <Tonio_> and only before you use kdesudo normally
[21:13] <fdoving> Tonio_: fine with me, i'll test if you make 386.debs to test with.
[21:15] <Tonio_> ok
[21:15] <Tonio_> should be ready toonight, but don't know when :) I have another bug to fix first
[21:16] <Tonio_> fdoving: this one is weird :)
[21:29] <eagles0513875> has anyone seen this before cuz im having trouble installing gnome
[21:30] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/
[21:30] <Riddell> this isn't a gnome channel
[21:35] <mhb> Riddell: should I still test any CDs?
[21:35] <mhb> is it useful at the moment?
[21:39] <ScottK> smarter: Pong
[21:39] <smarter> hey ScottK
[21:39] <smarter> ScottK: I've modified a bit the powermanager patch to handle hal/dbus restarts: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu16.debdiff
[21:41] <ScottK> smarter: Thanks.  I'd ask for Riddell's view on if we should do another upload post-RC.
[21:41] <smarter> ok
[21:42] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[21:47] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[21:47] <Riddell> mhb: yes please
[21:48] <davmor2> Riddell: kde4 restricted driver message displays about 2/3's of the way up the screen
[21:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts on smarter's change to give guidance power manager better resilience against hal/dbus restarts ^^^?
[21:51] <smarter> my patch now doesn't handle dbus restart at all, since that's not supported by dbus and can lead to various issue
[21:52] <smarter> it checks if HAL is running before attempting to reconnect, if it's not running, guidance will displays the "battery has been removed" message, so that the user know something is wrong
[21:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 209831 requires both kdesudo and dolphin to be patched (won't work with original kdesu aswell)
[21:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: dolphin uploaded and kdesudo patched, now working on the ksyscoca thing
[21:57] <davmor2> Riddell: that's about the only major issue I can find
[22:01] <Riddell> ScottK: i can't really tell from looking at ot, if it works then great
[22:01] <blueyed> apachelogger: what's broken about vbox?
[22:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[22:03] <ScottK> smarter: How about a ppa upload (put ~ppa1 on the end of the revision) and we do some testing.  No upload until after RC is out anyway.
[22:04] <smarter> ok
[22:04] <smarter> ScottK: uploading to http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter right now
[22:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: my theory is confirmed for the nonewdcop and kbuildsyscoca
[22:09] <Tonio_> exporting the dcopserver env blocks the kbuildsyscoca from running
[22:09] <Tonio_> damned stupid
[22:14] <Riddell> quelle bizarre
[22:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not bizarre :)
[22:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: kbuildsycoca is started by kded
[22:25] <Tonio_> when you do a normal kdesudo konqueror, kded is started before the command
[22:26] <Tonio_> with --nonewdcop -> no kded -> no monitoring -> no kbuildsycoca
[22:26] <Tonio_> that perfectly makes sense :)
[22:26] <Tonio_> now the question is how to properly run the kbuildsycoca and another command inside one command....... pretty ugly way to do...;
[22:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pretty sure there is an env variable to export or something to iverride this properly
[22:29] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[22:29] <Tonio_> KDESYCOCA=/var/tmp/kdecache-tonioIKxYsv/ksycoca
[22:29] <Tonio_> kdesu --nonewdcop exports the syscoca database :)
[22:29] <Tonio_> here is the trick :)
[22:30] <Tonio_> I just have to grab the code and put it in kdesudo and it'll be okay :)
[22:30] <Tonio_> we just have to do the same way than with ICEAUTHORITY
[22:31] <Tonio_> it'll now work on gentoo, I finally found it hehe :)
[22:31] <Tonio_> kcontrol was broken on gentoo for long, and the package maintainer expected a fix :)
[22:31]  * Tonio_ is happy
[22:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ping ?
[22:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: top stuff
[22:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: but what changed from gutsy or whenever this wasn't broken?
[22:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think this was always broken
[22:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: just that if you run for example adept the before systemsettings, then systemsettings will work forever
[22:44] <Riddell> hmm
[22:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and with gutsy it was different, as kdesudo was using the user's env and home directory
[22:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: we only switched to root env after gutsy was released
[22:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: 2 month after I'd say
[22:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why the issue wasn't there on gutsy
[22:45] <Tonio_> sudo was used instead of sudo -H
[22:45] <Riddell> mm, right
[22:48] <smarter> why did we switch?
[22:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: to avoid upstream version exception, I'm pushing 2 patches and will release a new kdesudo tomorrow, kde3
[22:48] <Tonio_> I'll have to checkout of this is to be done for kde4 version
[22:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: does ksycoca still exist in kde4 ?
[22:49] <smarter> Tonio_: we have kbuildsycoca4
[22:49] <smarter> Tonio_: why did we switch to root env?
[22:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning bug 207380, the solution is really simple :)
[22:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207380 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "[hardy-KDE4]Cannot access ntfs partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207380
[22:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: the fix is simple, ntfs support requires a dbus policy file to be installed
[22:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's done via kubuntu-default-settings
[22:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect we should do the same for the kubuntu-kde4-settings
[22:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: although that should probably be ubuntu defaults, not a kubuntu specific setting right ?
[22:52] <smarter> Tonio_: we don't have a kubuntu-kde4-settings
[22:52] <smarter> everything is in kubuntu-default-settings
[22:52] <Tonio_> smarter: we switched to root profile cause working with root UID in the user's home directory makes config files unwritable to the user
[22:52] <Tonio_> smarter: ah ? well then it should work......
[22:53] <smarter> the file is /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/hal-policy-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi right?
[22:54] <Tonio_> smarter: yep
[22:54] <Tonio_> smarter: it is copied in the good folder via postinst script
[22:55] <Tonio_> 		if [ ! -e /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor ]; then
[22:55] <Tonio_> 			ln -s /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/hal-policy-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi \
[22:55] <Tonio_> 				/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/home/20-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi || \
[22:55] <Tonio_> could be a kde4 bug but I doubt
[22:56] <smarter> I don't have a /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/home/20-ntfs-config-write-policy.fdi
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh, I don't know how to fix this one.... whats a rosetta template?
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-effects-kde/+bug/218829
[22:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218829 in desktop-effects-kde "No i18n for desktop-effects-kde" [Undecided,New]
[22:58] <Tonio_> smarter: hu ?
[22:58] <Tonio_> smarter: I don't too...... wtf ????
[22:59] <Tonio_> smarter: okay I'll fix that one after I'm done with kdesudo
[23:00] <Tonio_> smarter: pfffffffffffffffffff
[23:00] <Tonio_>  [ ! -e /u
[23:00] <smarter>                 if [ ! -e /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor ]; then
[23:00] <Tonio_> the test is invalid.......
[23:00] <smarter> yes :)
[23:00] <Tonio_> stupid of me.........
[23:00] <smarter> 'night everybody
[23:00] <Tonio_> okay let's fix :)
[23:00] <Tonio_> night :)
[23:02] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it needs to use xgettext to create a .pot file
[23:03] <Riddell> and gettext needs to have that .pot name bound with gettext.bind or whatever it is
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ok, i'll go look at another python program to figure out how to do that
[23:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload a kdesudo and kds in a few minutes
[23:09] <Tonio_> along with dolphin$
[23:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178351
[23:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178351 in kdebase "failed to mount ntfs user disk with kiomedia" [Undecided,Fix released]
[23:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like the same bug appears with kde4
[23:26] <Tonio_> see bug 207380
[23:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207380 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "[hardy-KDE4]Cannot access ntfs partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207380
[23:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: systemsettings works on the live cd :)
[23:35] <Tonio_> pretty cool ;)
[23:35] <Riddell> phew
[23:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: this ntfs issue is annoying too.... I'll test tomorro at work.... we have ntfs hard drives :)
[23:37] <CheGuevara> i can confirm that issue
[23:37] <CheGuevara> needs to be fixed in solid same way as kde3s bits were patched
[23:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks like you just uploaded a fix
[23:39] <Tonio_> :q
[23:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but no :)
[23:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would just enable write support by default
[23:39] <Tonio_> what ubuntu does too
[23:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that won't fix the mounting process
[23:39] <Riddell> "yes but no" that's such a tonio phrase
[23:39] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: also, looks like other distros are patching hal directly for yes
[23:39] <Tonio_> Riddell:  :)
[23:39] <CheGuevara> thats an option
[23:40] <CheGuevara> but can that actually happen this late in cycle
[23:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I uploaded the polishing, but not the basic fix :)
[23:40] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: true that
[23:40] <CheGuevara> but we can  still patch kde
[23:40] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: also, ubuntu doesn't seem to have the problem, so let's go with ke4 patch :)
[23:40] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: the problem is that I have absolutly no idea of where in kde4 to look at for this
[23:41] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: I never even looked at kde4 code
[23:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you have time for eventually port the kde3 patch (30 lines) to kde4 ?
[23:41] <Tonio_> I'm not sure the codebase is different for this :)
[23:42] <CheGuevara> someone said its not too different
[23:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I beleve iRon was talking about it earlier
[23:42] <Riddell> except I can't remember his new nick
[23:42] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[23:43] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: grabbing kdebase-kde4 code
[23:43] <CheGuevara> looking at svn :P
[23:43] <Tonio_> I promissed myself not to touch at kde4 before hardy is released.....
[23:44] <CheGuevara> lol
[23:44] <CheGuevara> you can make an exception :P
[23:44] <Riddell> 20:49 < etretyak> Riddell: hey! do we need this bug #207380 fixed for kde4?
[23:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 207380 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "[hardy-KDE4]Cannot access ntfs partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/207380
[23:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: there you go, e-mail him
[23:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[23:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's iRon ??????,
[23:45] <CheGuevara> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/solid/solid/backends/hal/
[23:45] <CheGuevara> should be somehwere here
[23:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: etrayak....... eugène, who wrote the first patch :)
[23:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice I'll ping him with the reminder of his previous fix :)
[23:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: where the hell have gone email addresses on launchpad ?
[23:52] <Tonio_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/%7Eetretyak
[23:52] <Tonio_> I don't see it
[23:52] <CheGuevara> https://edge.launchpad.net/~etretyak
[23:53] <CheGuevara> Email:  	 No public address provided.
[23:53] <CheGuevara> may be not
[23:53] <Tonio_> hum that changed......
[23:53] <Riddell> etretyak@gma il.com
[23:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[23:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: email are now hidden on launchpad ?
[23:54] <CheGuevara> if you choose to
[23:55] <Tonio_> CheGuevara: hum ok