/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/04/17/#launchpad-meeting.txt

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kikooink oink18:45
statikcause the chickens are involved, but the pigs are committed?18:48
Rinchenquack?18:54
cprovwelcome to the launchpad-farm ...18:56
gmbcprov: Is that like the secret cow level in Diablo II?18:57
gmbThousands of axe-wielding kikos running amok...18:58
bigjoolsmoo18:58
thumpergarrrhh18:58
bigjoolsI mean me18:58
bigjoolsthe mating call of the lesser spotted thumper18:58
gmbIf everyone answers "moo" to the roll call, hilarity may or may not ensue.18:58
bigjoolsgmb: +1 :)18:58
Rinchenmatsubara, are you also covering mrevell's special topic or just his normal 2?18:59
matsubaraRinchen, all 318:59
Rinchenmatsubara, great thanks18:59
* Rinchen checks the clock18:59
* Rinchen pokes MootBot.18:59
cprov... and it reminds me that we do have a real pony.18:59
Rinchengreen flag!19:00
Rinchen#startmeeting19:00
MootBotMeeting started at 20:00. The chair is Rinchen.19:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]19:00
RinchenWelcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.19:00
Rinchen[TOPIC] Roll Call19:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Roll Call19:00
Rinchenmoo19:00
gmbmoo19:00
adeuringme19:00
statikme19:00
bigjoolsmoo19:00
matsubaramoo19:00
sinzu1me19:00
gmb*sigh*19:00
marsmoo19:00
cprovme19:00
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salgadome19:00
sinzuime19:00
barryme ow!19:00
kikome19:01
EdwinGrubbsme19:01
allenapme19:01
BjornT_me19:01
jtvme19:01
herbme19:01
sinzuime19:01
thumpermoo19:01
bacme19:01
Rinchenmorning thumper19:01
leonardrme19:01
schwukme19:01
flacosteme19:01
Rinchenapologies from mpt and mrevell for today19:02
danilosme19:02
Rinchenteam leads...your teams here?19:02
Rinchensmall list of moos for today19:02
* flacoste didn't get the joke19:03
thumperabentley: ping19:03
statikRinchen: all here19:03
flacosteRinchen: all here19:03
RinchenSteveA, ping for roll call19:03
Rinchenok, onward then...19:03
cprovmuharem is not here, but he will come, I think.19:03
Rinchen[TOPIC] Agenda19:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Agenda19:03
BjornT_intellectronica is missing. he was around 10 minutes ago (aware of the meeting), so he should be here shortly19:03
Rinchen * Next meeting19:03
Rinchen * Actions from last meeting19:03
Rinchen * Oops report (Matsubara)19:03
Rinchen * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)19:03
Rinchen * Bug tags19:03
Rinchen * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)19:03
Rinchen * DBA report (stub)19:03
Rinchen * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)19:03
Rinchen * New packages required (salgado)19:03
Rinchen * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)19:03
Rinchen * Doc Team report (mrevell19:04
mthaddonme19:04
Rinchen * Ubuntu Open Week sessions requested by Jorge (mrevell)19:04
abentleyme19:04
Rinchen * Blockers19:04
Rinchen[TOPIC] Next meeting19:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Next meeting19:04
RinchenAs you may recall, the team leads were charged with finding a more interesting time.19:04
intellectronicame got stuck in the elevator. zorry!19:04
bigjoolsbest excuse ever? :)19:05
RinchenWe are probably going to attempt a test of this next week to see how well it works. Stay tuned.19:05
RinchenFor next week,  same time, same channel again.19:05
Rinchen[AGREED]  same time, same channel again19:05
MootBotAGREED received:   same time, same channel again19:05
Rinchen[TOPIC] Actions from last meeting19:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Actions from last meeting19:05
Rinchennone19:05
Rinchenamazing19:06
Rinchen[TOPIC] Oops report (Matsubara)19:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Oops report (Matsubara)19:06
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 218625, 218384, 218783, 125068, 18373719:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218625 in launchpad "[OOPS]setting the mailing list as contact address fails" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21862519:06
matsubarabarry is already on #218625.19:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218384 in malone "OOPS processing Mantis bugwatches" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21838419:06
matsubaraThe others are checkwatches bugs. BjornT already targeted them to 1.2.519:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218783 in malone "OOPS parsing CSV for mantis bugtrackers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21878319:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125068 in malone "Bugzilla bug watch updater crashes on POSTs that return a HTTP error" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12506819:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 183737 in malone "Look for error message when fetching bug status from SourceForge, e.g. when a bug is private" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18373719:06
matsubarasome of the checkwatches ones are oldies19:07
gmbI would really like to stomp all over bug 183737.19:07
matsubarawhich I just included the OOPS id to them19:07
gmbBecause it annoys the hell out of me.19:07
matsubarasince they were filed when checkwatches didn't have OOPS reporting19:07
Rinchengmb, will BjornT_ let you out of your cage to take that one?19:08
matsubaragmb, well, they're targeted to 1.2.5. I'm sure you can arrange with BjornT_ to take those if you like19:08
gmbI'd be happy to.19:08
matsubarabut no hurry to fix them for this cycle.19:08
matsubaraanyway, Rinchen that's it from me.19:08
matsubarathanks all19:09
Rinchenhmm no owners for the others?19:09
Rinchenor gmb to work this weekend? :-)19:09
gmbOi!19:09
Rinchenright then.19:09
matsubaraRinchen, not yet, but I've chatted with Bjorn and since they're targeted to 1.2.5 already, it's not like they're going out of radar19:09
gmbLet me get the cool Trac stuff I'm doing finished :)19:09
BjornT_Rinchen: they are targeted to 1.2.5. let's think about how's going to fix it later.19:10
intellectronicagmb: i'm quite busy, but if you need to talk to me and i'll take some off you19:10
Rinchenheh, ok. thanks.19:10
Rinchen[TOPIC] Critical Bugs (Rinchen)19:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Critical Bugs (Rinchen)19:10
Rinchen[LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/20665419:10
RinchenThis is the memory issue. flacoste, SteveA.  Any updated status?19:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/20665419:10
Rinchen[LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/11862519:10
Rinchenthumper, mthaddon - any updated status on this? Is this really critical?19:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/11862519:10
kikoRinchen, he gave us some in the call today19:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118625 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse sometimes hangs" [Critical,Confirmed]19:10
flacosteRinchen: it's all in the bug report19:10
mthaddonRinchen, which one?19:10
Rinchenflacoste, ok, does this still need to remain critical?19:10
Rinchenmthaddon, codebrowse19:11
flacosteRinchen: well, we still have a production issue19:11
mthaddonRinchen, yes19:11
kikoyeah19:11
thumperRinchen: mwhudson is looking into it19:11
Rinchenok.  I'm going to keep pestering you guys about critical bugs while we have them.19:11
thumperRinchen: abentley has also been looking at the guts of loggerhead too19:11
RinchenI understand the memory issue is an elusive one.19:11
mthaddonRinchen, the update on codebrowse is that we have CP-ed FS layout change and will setup webstats so we can correlate traffic with memory spikes19:11
thumperas far as really critical?19:11
thumperannoying, sure, critical, not sure19:12
mthaddonthumper, I'd consider it critical as the service intermittently goes down (4 times in a day, a few days ago)19:12
thumperok, I'll go with that19:12
Rinchenthumper, I'd recommend having a look at our critical policy to compare the situation against the samples and see if you have justification to leave it, or lower it.19:12
Rinchenit sounds like it's critical though due to a service interruption.19:13
* thumper nods19:13
Rinchenok, thanks. I've got enough for today.  :-)19:13
Rinchen[TOPIC] Bug tags19:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Bug tags19:13
Rinchennone proposed19:13
Rinchen[TOPIC] Operations report (mthaddon/herb)19:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Operations report (mthaddon/herb)19:13
mthaddon5 Cherry Picks so far since last meeting, and more in progress currently19:13
mthaddonEdge update broke over the weekend - would like to discuss how to avoid this in the future (improve make check and I sent an email to the list with proposal for edge update procedure change)19:13
mthaddonStaging authserver currently broken - DB user19:13
mthaddonStaging codehosting scripts and supermirror rewrite map currently broken as well19:13
mthaddonWhat's the status on the spam management situation -19:13
mthaddonhttps://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/29988, for example19:13
mthaddonthat's it from me (except there are some things to discuss there)19:14
statikmthaddon: I liked your idea about changing the edge rollout to try on one server first19:14
mthaddonthx statik - anyone else have any feelings on that?19:15
RinchenI haven't gotten to the email yet mthaddon. Busy day today :-(19:15
Rinchenmthaddon, do you require any assistance on the authserver and other issues?19:15
Rinchenor do you have enough help as is?19:16
kikome neither, damnit19:16
mthaddonRinchen, that email was a few days ago (about edge updates)19:16
thumperI think we have a patch for the authserver19:16
sinzuimthaddon: we need to know if staging, bazaar-staging, or both run authserver19:17
statikkiko: the idea was rolling the upgrade, just trying one edge app server first, and if that one doesn't come up, don't update the others19:17
mthaddonRinchen, was in reply to sinzui's email - sent Monday19:17
Rinchenkiko, do you have cycle or two to deal with the question link above?19:17
Rincheni.e. minute or two or 5 or 3019:17
mthaddonsinzui, not sure I understand the question19:17
thumpersinzui, mthaddon: later19:17
Rinchenmthaddon, hmm I do not recall seeing that. I'll copy a todo to review it.19:17
kikoRinchen, mthaddon: we have no plan for spam management right now. none.19:18
mthaddonRinchen, I'm more interested in how we're planning to approach the spam stuff procedurally - there was some discussion about being able to mark stuff as hidden - not sure if we got further than that19:18
kikoRinchen, mthaddon: unfortunately, unless this becomes a really big problem, it doesn't look like we can fit one in before july19:18
Rinchenkiko, maybe we should add that to our "list" which we're constructing.19:18
kikoto fix this properly we're going to have to think about standing/referees, hiding content, etc19:18
mthaddonkiko, define "really big problem" - the main problem with it at the moment is that we spend a lot of time manually fixing it, and we don't know how big of a problem it is, as we rely on users to alert us to spam19:19
statikI kind of like having users flag things as spam19:20
kikomthaddon, really big project to provide a fix which puts us in an acceptable place19:20
mthaddonyeah, I just don't like having to deal with it manually :)19:20
BjornT_kiko, mthaddon: it wouldn't be too hard to make it possible to hide a comment in the ui. would that help?19:20
kikoBjornT_, it's not just bugcomment spam, is it?19:20
mthaddonBjornT_, that'd be a start19:20
mthaddonkiko, I understand it's a big project, but it's kind of a basic feature...19:20
barrystatik: it would be cool if there were a "this is spam" button and we had one page to look at all things marked as spam.  it could be abused, but you can deal with that i think19:21
BjornT_kiko: well, not only, but i think a large part of it is. and that's one case where mthaddon needs to issue sql queries to fix it.19:21
mthaddonkiko, in that we're *always* going to have spam to deal with...19:21
kikomthaddon, you're sounding like an end-user now :) this isn't in 2.019:21
Rinchenkiko, let's add this to the list for August shall we?19:21
kikoyes, already there19:22
Rinchenwe'll see about a sprint to explore the results.19:22
Rinchenok, good enough for me, thanks19:22
mthaddonok, so post 2.0? fair enough19:22
kikomthaddon, I hate this as much as you do. but this isn't on anybody's plate right now, and putting it on somebody's is going to make us really impopular19:23
Rinchenmthaddon, thumper -  I'd like to know how codehosting and the supermirror  (and authserver) broke.   Let me know offline please at your leisure.19:23
thumperRinchen: ack19:23
kikonot to mention unpopular19:23
Rinchenthanks19:23
mthaddonRinchen, sent an email to the list19:23
Rinchenhmmm19:23
Rinchenthere is that email thing again...19:23
Rinchen[TOPIC] DBA report (stub)19:24
MootBotNew Topic:  DBA report (stub)19:24
Rinchenaww19:24
Rinchen*whew*19:24
Rinchenstub be missing again19:24
Rinchen[ACTION] Joey to email stub to send out DBA report.19:24
MootBotACTION received:  Joey to email stub to send out DBA report.19:24
intellectronicaare db reviews happening? i haven't seen anything today yet19:24
kikome neither19:25
Rinchenit was a public holiday in Thailand until this morning19:25
Rinchenso it's possible it has been delayed a day19:25
Rinchen[TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)19:25
MootBotNew Topic:  Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)19:25
RinchenHi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?19:26
RinchenHardy is still preoccupying IS's time these days19:26
* bigjools does the regular wave to Rinchen19:26
statikno, but I filed an RT the other day that was closed out in a matter of hours. Go IS team!19:26
Rinchenbigjools, yeah, I've commented and poke on the IS channel about that one. It's not getting much traction.19:27
Rinchenbigjools, you might send an email to elmo19:27
bigjoolsok19:27
Rinchenbigjools, from and admin point of view, it's marked very high, has passed it's due date, and has been poked to near death on IS19:27
Rinchen[TOPIC] New packages required (salgado)19:28
MootBotNew Topic:  New packages required (salgado)19:28
salgadoif any of the branches you're working on right now depends on any library which is not part of the launchpad-dependencies package, come talk to me ASAP.19:28
kikobigjools, I'd actually have a phone call -- email doesn't work19:28
Rinchen(good point)19:28
bigjoolsyeah I thought that I read the comment19:29
bigjoolsI will make realtime contact19:29
Rinchenanything for salgado?19:29
Rinchenok, time for the matsubara show19:29
Rinchen[TOPIC] A top user-affecting issue  - Diogo19:29
MootBotNew Topic:  A top user-affecting issue  - Diogo19:29
matsubara(proxying for MattR) The main user-affecting issue this week has been the incorrect link in mailing list notification emails, related to bug 199168. Barry and Curtis are onto it. We've had some complaints on irc and a couple of queries by email. It appears I received a duplicate notification about the Launchpad Documentation team's ML. Is that related to this problem or just coincidental?19:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 199168 in launchpad "New mailing list notification has wrong subscription url" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19916819:29
barrymatsubara: it's kind of all related i think19:30
Rinchen[TOPIC] Doc Team report - Diogo19:30
barrymatsubara: as soon as we cherry pick that last rev and run fix.py i think we should be back to normal19:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Doc Team report - Diogo19:30
matsubararight, thanks barry. if the dupe notifications keep coming after the CP I'll file a bug :-)19:31
barrymatsubara: absolutely!19:31
matsubarahis week I've been mostly working on Bazaar. However, Martin Pool and Joey have agreed to allow me to suspend my Bazaar work, temporarily, in order to focus on Launchpad work. It's likely I'll take up Bazaar work again after July.19:31
matsubaraI've also published some new tour drafts to the list. Thanks for the comments so far!19:31
matsubaraI'm working on a page to explain +junk branches - thanks Tim for your input.19:31
matsubaraI'll be sending out a "Coming Changes" style of notification tomorrow highlighting the change in name for bug contacts to bug supervisor.19:31
matsubaraIf you have anything you know we need to change in the documentation for 1.2.4, and we haven't already spoken, please email me so I can plan for the changes.19:31
Rinchenyou do a great mrevell there matsubara19:31
kikobarry, hasn't it been CPd yet?19:32
kikoheh19:32
RinchenAnything for Matt Matsubara on the doc team? :-)19:32
kikoI'm waiting for the +junk doc!19:32
daniloswasn't that Diogo Revell?19:32
barrykiko: there were two.  i don't think the second one is done ripening yet19:32
Rinchenkiko, it should have arrived to you today.19:32
* barry looks to mthaddon and herb 19:32
danilos(oh my, they got married!)19:32
Rinchen:-)19:33
mthaddonplease send gifts as usual...19:33
Rinchenright then....19:33
Rinchen[TOPIC] Ubuntu Open Week sessions requested by Jorge -  Diogo19:33
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Open Week sessions requested by Jorge -  Diogo19:33
matsubaraI know we're all busy but Jorge has asked me to remind you that they'd love to have lots of Launchpad sessions in Ubuntu Open Week.19:33
matsubaracprov's going his PPA intro session. If anyone else wants to run a session introducing new Ubuntu community people to the joys of Launchpad, then please ping/mail Jorge and let me know too.19:33
matsubaraThe schedule for UOW is here:19:33
matsubarahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep19:33
Rinchenthanks matsubara for proxying mrevell19:33
kikoyeah, jorge's asked me to do one19:33
matsubaranp Rinchen19:34
Rinchenwell, another good day to make up for that 1.5 hour meeting we had two weeks ago...19:34
Rinchen[TOPIC] Blockers19:34
MootBotNew Topic:  Blockers19:34
RinchenReleases Team:  Eagerly awaiting Carlos' structural navigation branch.19:34
flacosteFoundations: not blocked19:34
BjornT_Bugs: not blocked19:35
statiklpcomm: not blocked19:35
schwukhwdb: not blocked19:35
danilosTranslations: not blocked19:35
kikoBjornT_, you are blocked, though. debbugs setup, etc19:35
thumperCode: not blocked19:35
kikoyou're just SAYING not blocked!19:35
daniloskiko: we're all developers, we SHOULD develop scripts to avoid repetitive tasks19:35
bigjoolsSoyuz: the usual RT19:35
BjornT_kiko: well, i'm not blocked, if i set it up locally, am i?19:35
kikoBjornT_, you will be when you need to rsync it19:36
Rinchen[TOPIC] adhoc question ... meeting agenda19:36
MootBotNew Topic:  adhoc question ... meeting agenda19:36
Rinchensurprise skill test19:36
kikobut whatever -- I was just pointing out that this section doesn't really serve much purpose if everybody always says they aren't blocked but in fact are19:36
kikoI have some skills19:36
thumper?19:36
gmbI'd hope we all do...19:36
RinchenDo any of you have any suggestions for changing the meeting agenda to be more useful?19:36
RinchenWe've been operating under this format for some time with only minor changes for the last 6+ months19:37
statikI find the operations and DBA reports to be very useful19:37
BjornT_kiko: i might be blocked in the future, depending on how responsive the is team is.19:37
kikoI'd drop blockers as I don't think people use it very correctly19:37
Rinchenare there areas you find less value to and others you find more?  Should a topic be added or removed?19:37
kiko+1 statik19:37
statikkiko: it's true that I feel guilty saying blocked and do everything I can to not have to say it19:37
gmbkiko: What's the definition of blocked in this context?19:37
kikogmb, that's my point. it can be anything.19:38
thumperI don't think blocked is helpful19:38
gmbFor example, I'm blocked on a DB patch landing before I can land at least three of my branches, but I don't see that as being blocked because I know it'll clear next week.19:38
daniloskiko: agreed, let's ask people to *ask* for agenda items if they are blocked19:38
thumperteam leads should resolve things like this as they happen19:38
kikogmb, agreed19:38
thumper(if they can)19:38
gmbdanilos: +119:38
Rinchenthumper, +119:38
kikothumper, danilos: yeah, good point19:38
statikyeah, we do try to do the blocked thing in the daily standups19:38
thumperstatik: agreed19:39
Rinchenok so it sounds like we're agreeing to drop the blockers section and require folks to add topic to unblock19:39
thumperstatik: I mean we all should19:39
Rinchen[AGREED] drop the blockers section and require folks to add topic to unblock19:39
MootBotAGREED received:  drop the blockers section and require folks to add topic to unblock19:39
Rinchen[ACTION] Joey to email team about this change.19:39
MootBotACTION received:  Joey to email team about this change.19:39
kikocool19:39
Rinchenwhat else?19:39
statikif people do have a bigger block I'd be very interested in discussing it in this forum to see if we have any clever ideas for getting past it19:40
Rinchenabsolutely19:40
kikoa bigger block? meaning something really complicated?19:40
Rinchenis there any section(s) we're missing today? or information that you'd like to have weekly?19:40
statikkiko: something that is a problem that didn't get resolved in the daily standups, so a problem that lasts until the meeting I guess19:41
kikonot that I can recall19:41
kikothe DBA report? :)19:41
daniloswe've moved a lot of interesting weekly stuff to calendar already, so I'd say no19:41
statikI'd be interested in seeing the top user-affecting issue be expanded to include a quick overview of an interesting project and looking at how they use launchpad19:42
Rinchenmost of the items I'd expect to see in a weekly meeting are operationally focused...  rts, LOSAs, DBA, documentation maybe....etc19:42
statikperhaps every 2 weeks, or once a month19:42
Rincheninteresting idea statik.. matsubara  would kindly pass that on to mrevell?19:42
matsubaraRinchen, sure19:43
Rinchenthe other topic which might be of some interesting is UI but I'd rather not discuss that at the moment.19:43
Rinchenok, thanks for your input all.19:43
kikotoda!19:43
RinchenThank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.19:43
Rinchen#endmeeting19:44
MootBotMeeting finished at 20:44.19:44
statiktoda raba19:44
abentleyThankx19:44
thumperRinchen: thanks19:44
daniloshow does the MootBot know the exact time here? ;)19:44
kikoin serbia?19:45
Rinchennetherlands19:45
Rinchenwhich is odd cuz it's only +1 there19:45
danilosRinchen: all of Europe should be on +2 during summer, afaik19:45
intellectronicabut summer time19:45
Rinchenah right19:46
Rinchenthere we go19:46
danilos(except Greece, Bulgaria, UK, Turkey)19:46
intellectronicagee danilos, you're like a timezone geek :P19:46
* intellectronica runs away19:46
daniloshehe, nobody can stay after making fun of me! :)19:47
BjornT_danilos: not to mention a bunch of other european countries that are +3....19:47
danilosBjornT_: those don't count :P19:47
danilosBjornT_: they are all Soviet Union ;)19:48
Rinchenda comrade daniloski19:49
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