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dwidmannIt decides to download upgrades and gives 0 progress indication, and it can't be skipped or cancelled.00:00
dwidmannonly reason  I know that's what it's doing is that I checked syslog00:00
Tuv0ksysadm-myth, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs00:00
sysadm-myththanks TuvOk00:00
Tuv0knp00:00
Tuv0ksysadm-myth, I luv myth too;)00:01
shadow420and the command to update grub's menu.lst is update-grub00:01
sysadm-mythcool00:02
sysadm-mythnoticed any issues with myth on hardy, that aren't in the bugs list00:03
swubooTuv0k:  So, following the instructions in the wiki has not helped.  Any further thoughts?00:03
AtomicSpark:D 8 more days00:04
Tuv0kswuboo, yeah do it right this time;-P00:04
Tuv0kswuboo, no seriously, whats not working?00:04
swubooTuv0k:  Apps without native pulse output do not produce sound.00:04
Tuv0kturn on the pulse tray applet00:04
sysadm-mythThis is the best bug on the list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/100:05
swubooTuv0k:  Before I followed the wiki, they'd output fine through ALSA but lock Pulse apps out, now they just don't have sound at all.00:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]00:05
shadow420KDE is really simplified00:05
Tuv0kswuboo, set gnome audio to esd00:05
Tuv0kswuboo, run the pulse manager and see if its connected to the server00:05
Alenhello does is RC1 ready ?00:05
swubooTuv0k:  It's connected.00:05
Tuv0kswuboo, thats great00:06
AtomicSparkhow's the beta? any major problems?00:06
swubooAll clients presently connected---i.e. GNOME, are ESD.00:06
sysadm-myth!bugs00:06
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots00:06
Tuv0knot use pavu pulse volume meter to make sure all the levels are up00:06
sysadm-mythi love that00:06
sysadm-myth:)00:06
shadow420hey how can I get Konqueror to work with java00:06
Tuv0kset the gnome system if thats what your in, to use esd, restart gnome00:07
Tuv0kand that shoudl do it00:07
Tuv0kshadow420, #kubuntu00:07
Tuv0k!java | shadow42000:07
ubotushadow420: To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)00:07
Tuv0k!kubuntu00:07
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE00:07
swubooTuv0k:  Volume levels are up in pavucontrol; Gnome's been set to ESD since forever.00:08
shadow420well this is also the Hardy install00:08
swubooTuv0k:  Again, apps that actually have pulse output plugins work fine, it's legacy ALSA apps that aren't working.00:08
Tuv0kswuboo, which app particularly is not outputing sound?00:08
unlink_how can i upgrade to hardy using a special repository?00:09
_derspanksterswuboo: everything going well today?00:09
Tuv0kmy legacy apps output sound00:09
swubooderspankster:  Sure.  Except for legacy ALSA apps not playing nice with Pulseaudio.00:09
Tuv0kunlink_, special?00:09
unlink_Tuv0k: an apt-proxy00:09
_derspanksterswuboo: still?00:09
Tuv0k_derspankster, he is almost there00:09
shadow420Tuv0k I am using Hardy with KDE00:09
Tuv0kshadow420, you may need to make a symlink00:10
Tuv0kthats why I don't use Konq00:10
Tuv0kyou should know how to do that by now being a Konq user00:10
shadow420Tuv0k ok so I should download FireFox00:10
Tuv0kthat should be installed?00:11
Exilantno, not in kubuntu00:11
shadow420no didn't come with it00:11
Tuv0kswuboo, http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup00:11
Exilantalso it shouldn't be needed00:11
Exilantshadow420: did you install sun-java?00:11
swatTXI get the following error when trying to open a terminal, "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" ... what'd i screw up now?00:12
shadow420Exilant I am go geting the JDK right now I want to be ale to compile java programs I am learn java00:12
shadow420the JDK also comes with the JRE00:13
Tuv0kswuboo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/19845300:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 198453 in alsa-lib "Default ALSA device must use PulseAudio, otherwise ALSA applications may fail" [High,Confirmed]00:13
Exilantok, so just install that00:13
shadow420I mean JRE is bundled in the JDK00:13
Exilanti don't know, might be00:14
Exilantyou'll see wether you have java in your path afterwards00:14
_derspanksterI have an interesting issue today, if I run update manager it opens and sits and spins, never a pw prompt. I kill it then reopen and it works. Strange.00:15
Fritzelwhere do you change the pointer themes in gnome?00:17
WDXCan anyone direct me to a site to a howto on ldap authentication? I need to completely do away with flat file auth00:19
swubooTuv0k:  Okay, now I can get things to work if I tell them to use OSS output and use the pasdp command.  Not elegant, but it works.00:19
Tuv0kthats how its done, you keep hacking at it00:20
Tuv0kbut there is a huge bug list on it00:20
Tuv0kBug #19845300:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 198453 in alsa-lib "Default ALSA device must use PulseAudio, otherwise ALSA applications may fail" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19845300:21
paulproteusCan others reproduce this bug in Hardy that I found?  I seem to have found a bug in metacity's Alt-Shift-Tab behavior: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52833700:25
ubotuGnome bug 528337 in general "Alt-shift-tab behavior has changed without notice" [Normal,Unconfirmed]00:25
paulproteus(Also in Launchpad at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/217989 )00:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 217989 in metacity "Alt-shift-tab behavior has changed without notice" [Undecided,New]00:25
paulproteusIt's a very easy bug to test for - just Alt-Shift-Tab then tap the tab key.00:25
paulproteusI'd really like to get some activity on the bug before the release, if possible!00:28
fortytwohi... gtk2 application's window redraw methods seem to be really slow when resizing compared to qt, wxwidgets or other libraries. is gtk2 performance not that great?00:28
shadow420Exilant where do I install the JDK00:28
shadow420Exilant in /usr/?00:29
Exilantwhy don't you just use the package?00:29
Exilantif you install it without using dpkg, rather use /usr/local or /opt00:30
shadow420Exilant where do I install the JDK in /us/?00:39
shadow420Exilant where do I install the JDK in /usr/?00:39
Exilantwhereever you want, it's your pc00:40
shadow420Exilant ok00:40
ExilantI'd just use the package, but if not, /opt/sunjava or so would be a  nice place00:41
shadow420ok00:41
swubooWell that's irksome.  Having set up the asound.conf to the recommended pulse settings, wineconfig successfully plays a test sound when set to ALSA when a pulseaudio application is playing sound already.  But actually running wine won't give sound.00:47
shadow420Exilant ok it's installed in /opt/sunjava00:48
shadow420Exilant so now what needs to be done00:49
Exilantput symlinks or the bin dir in your path00:49
Exilant(maybe the install program did that already00:50
shadow420Exilant I am not sure00:50
shadow420I didn't see any symlinks being made00:51
Exilantwell, then it's probably /opt/sunjava/bin/java or so00:52
usserhardy should include an updated intel wifi driver 1.2.0 does not allow me to connect to my college network a huge drawback for me00:53
shadow420Exilant I will test it out00:53
_ZeuZ_is there any way to manage the ammount of ram that Ubuntu's base system take as default? to reduce that ammount, of course...00:57
shadow420Exilant blah I pointed Konqueror to java and restarted jave but still nop luck00:58
usser_ZeuZ_, turn off unneeded services, switch to lighter desktop environment like xfce00:59
shadow420Exilant blah I pointed Konqueror to java and restarted Konqueror but still no luck00:59
shadow420the applet is not loading up00:59
_ZeuZ_usser, Allready done services, and I want to keep KDE that is lower on resource ussage than Gnome..00:59
usser_ZeuZ_, kde4?00:59
_ZeuZ_still my system is killing me in the ammount of ram taken...01:00
_ZeuZ_No, 3.5.901:00
usser_ZeuZ_, cause kde3 is a memory hog and in my experience takes more than gnome01:00
_ZeuZ_not in mine, nor for benchmarks01:00
_ZeuZ_kde4 is even more effective as for what to resources cal01:00
usser_ZeuZ_, try kde4 its supposed to be pretty good01:00
_ZeuZ_call*01:00
_ZeuZ_I-ve tried it...01:00
_ZeuZ_it's still pretty green01:00
_ZeuZ_I don't really like plasma (yet)01:01
_ZeuZ_nor the new "kicker"01:01
Exilantshadow420: well, can you "compile" and run java programs from the cl?01:01
shadow420haven't tried that because I don't have a java source program file01:02
_ZeuZ_you mean source CODE ^^01:02
shadow420yeah source code01:02
ussershadow420, want one?01:03
_ZeuZ_apt-build java (or the name of the package)01:03
_ZeuZ_it will do all for you01:03
shadow420usser yeah I need one for a test01:03
ussershadow420, hang on01:03
shadow420usser ok01:03
shadow420_ZeuZ_ on a pervious install of Gutsy I was able to use javac to compile if i remember correctly01:04
swubooWoooo!  Got it.01:05
ethana2..How do I change themes via command line?01:05
swubooThe answer was to replace libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio.  Now most of the apps that were refusing to produce sound through pulseaudio are doing so with no problem at all.01:06
ethana2I'm making a script to make Ubuntu ready for use after installation01:06
Exilantthought you were learning java...01:06
shadow420_ZeuZ_ well theres a jdk of sun java 6 but I am not sure it will be the latest version of java since the runtime is 6u501:06
_ZeuZ_solution: try it ;)01:07
ussershadow420, there try this ftp://whom.homeunix.org/guiffmpeg.tar.gz01:08
shadow420Exilant yeah I just have to make sure I have the latest verison of the JRE so I can play games plus test the compiled java source codes01:08
ussershadow420, just extract it and javac *.java01:09
_ZeuZ_!nspluginviewer01:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nspluginviewer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:09
shadow420usser I just ran javac to see if bash sees it and it doesn't01:10
_ZeuZ_what is nspluginviewer?01:10
ussershadow420, what CPU do you have?01:10
usser_ZeuZ_, nspluginwrapper01:10
usseru mean?01:10
_ZeuZ_no, nspluginviewer, perhaps it's part of it, it's located on /usr/bin/nspluginviewer01:11
shadow420usser a P3 1ghz 512MB of RAM plus a decent SGraphics Card and Sound01:12
ussershadow420, do you have sun-java6-jdk installed01:12
ussershadow420, javac is in that package01:13
shadow420usser well I also want to make sure I have the latest JRE which is 6u501:13
usser_ZeuZ_, hm i dont have it and i have nspluginwrapper01:14
ussershadow420, right thats the one i have i installed from the repos01:14
shadow420I may have to get rid of gutsy because it's using an older version of java01:15
shadow420and it's all screwed up01:15
ussershadow420, oh u on gutsy? why u in ubuntu+1 lol01:15
_ZeuZ_usser, dunno, I just saw it in htop and had to see what it was... gonna ask google01:15
ussershadow420, so how is java installed now? did u just download the binary for java.com?01:15
shadow420I am in Hardy right now but I have a Gutsy install01:16
ussershadow420, i see, still how did u install java?01:16
shadow420usser first I just used the downloaded binary01:17
shadow420but now I am using the repo install01:17
shadow420once it's finished that is01:17
ussershadow420, ok so its still installing right?01:18
shadow420usser ok it's installed01:19
ussershadow420, try it see if it works01:19
shadow420usser javac is reconized by bash01:19
ussershadow420, well nice01:19
shadow420usser but how in the hell can I fix it in gutsy to use the jatest version of java01:20
shadow420because I am going to have to fix it01:20
nDuffshadow420, have you used java-alt-setup to select the tools you want?01:21
shadow420I want to be able to use java in gusty as well as hardy Beta until I request my free CD of Hardy01:21
nDuff...oh, n/m01:21
ussershadow420, i just grab the binary from java.com and create symlinks01:21
shadow420ok01:22
nonewmsgsmy wired internet isnt working.  worked fine from edgy to gutsy doesnt on hardy.  i enabled dhcp on both wired conections and no love01:22
nonewmsgsalthough only one actually has a wire01:22
ussershadow420, ie put sun's binary into say /usr/lib/jvm and then just create symlinks to javac java etc. in /usr/bin01:23
shadow420ok01:23
Roeyhello01:25
Roeyis Youtube supposed to work out-of-the-box on Kubuntu 8.04/amd64 systems?01:25
Roey(using gnash) ?01:25
usserRoey, yes gnash should handle youtube01:26
Roeyok all I see so far is a busy-wait cursor in that little youtube window.01:26
ussergiven its gonna be slow but still01:26
shadow420usser should I install firefox2 or wait until firefox4 comes out01:26
ussershadow420, ehm... firefox3 you mean?01:26
shadow420usser yea 301:26
ussershadow420, firefox2 is in gutsy by default hardy defaults to 301:27
ussershadow420, i'd suggest to lay off 3 until its actually released01:27
shadow420usser Konqueror is pissing me off01:27
shadow420usser I can install FireFox2 right now from adept01:27
ussershadow420, do it, konqueror is not really a browser anyway01:28
shadow420I have no problems getting flash to work with it01:28
nonewmsgsis it possible to copy an mbr?01:29
shadow420I might keep gutsy around but I may just do away with it and use hardy from now on01:30
nonewmsgswhich direction do resized partitions go in01:31
shadow420nonewmsgs don't matter01:31
nonewmsgsshadow420: i thought they could only expand in one direction01:32
jbroomeyou can grow and shrink01:32
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nonewmsgsi am adjusting my windows ntfs partition01:33
nonewmsgsmy caps lock seems to be stuck on01:34
kreativeso after reinstalling and configuring ubuntu im unable to boot into windows. it loads, however i can only see my background image.01:36
kreativeany solutions?01:37
darthanubiskreative, stop using windows :-P01:38
gligorhoria!specs01:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about specs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:38
darthanubis!windows01:38
ubotuFor discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents01:38
kreativeits not that easy01:38
darthanubisI know01:38
darthanubis!apps01:38
ubotuA comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant01:38
gligorhoriaplease can any one tell me the ubuntu 8.04 SERVER specs01:39
ussergligorhoria, specs?01:40
gligorhoriaspecifications, new stuff from 7.1001:40
darthanubisgligorhoria, goto ubuntu's homepage01:40
darthanubis!hardy | gligorhoria01:41
ubotugligorhoria: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu01:41
gligorhoriathere is only the descktop description on ubuntu.com or wiki!01:41
darthanubisdoubt it01:41
gligorhoriaman i checked it!01:41
gligorhoriathe site and the wiki too01:41
darthanubisgligorhoria, youo simply are asking foro the changelog01:42
darthanubisand thats on the wiki01:42
darthanubisthings different from hardy and gutsy are all over the web01:43
darthanubishttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta01:44
gligorhoriahmm, every where i loocked i spotted the decktop version and nothing aboute the server edition, ty i will check again01:44
rpedroanyone heard if the the kernel in hardy RC will have better multitasking performance? I'm not at all sure, but compared to gutsy, performance in user apps is much less reliable when running cpu intensive processes as root, for me at least, and I suspect it is because of the new CFS scheduler introduced in the kernel from kernel.org .01:44
crimsunthat's why I use -server.01:46
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/18822601:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]01:46
nonewmsgsis there a way to tell the screen and graphics preferences my real horizontal/vertical rates before my eyes bleed or do i have to manually edit xorg.conf01:46
gligorhoriarpedro yes, i had experienced some performance issues with CFS but the overall is better if u sum up the system and the heavy duty apps01:46
DanaGI find it sucks -- much slower at some stuff.01:47
DanaGFor example, Pidgin freeeeezes for a while at every start.01:47
dwidmannIs it possible, using the alternate installer, to re-use an encrypted partition that's already setup?01:47
gligorhoriai got some unexpected freezes 2 but i can't give u a full answer01:48
rpedroDanaG: thanks, taking a look at that bug now.01:48
DanaGNice stuff should NOT take CPU time away from other things!01:48
DanaG... but with CFS as is, it does.01:49
DanaGs/nice/root nice/01:49
darthanubisdwidmann, yes01:50
dwidmanndarthanubis: how?01:51
darthanubisdwidmann, you need the keys01:51
darthanubisotherwise your toast01:51
darthanubis!google | dwidmann01:51
ubotudwidmann: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux01:51
DanaGIt may just be easier to dist-upgrade.01:52
darthanubisI only point in the direction, I don't walk with you down the path :/01:53
dwidmannhahaha01:53
dwidmannwhatever01:53
darthanubisthere are those here who do that sort of thing01:53
darthanubishand holding and whatnot :-P01:53
shadow420how do I make a symlink for java plugin to mozilla/FireFox2 Plugin?01:54
shadow420folder01:54
darthanubisthe age old question01:54
darthanubisput that question exactly as you typed it here in google and prepare to be amazed01:54
darthanubisyou might want to man ln as well01:55
darthanubisalso sun javas site has a howto01:55
darthanubisgoogle java plugin01:55
gligorhoriaany 1 knows the ubuntu SERVER specs (i read the wiki and the site again btw)01:56
darthanubisanything like that will give you a gang of hits01:56
dwidmanndarthanubis looks to me now like it's just down to what I need to modprobe to be able to run cryptsetup, I think01:56
darthanubisnow your cooking with gas:)01:56
ussershadow420, firefox plugins usually go into /usr/lib/firefox01:56
ussershadow420, so cd /usr/lib/firefox01:56
ussershadow420, sudo ln -s path/to/javaplugin.so01:57
darthanubisgligorhoria, what are you talking about?01:57
darthanubis!server01:57
ubotuUbuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support01:57
darthanubis!encrypt01:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about encrypt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:58
darthanubis!encryption01:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about encryption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:58
ussershadow420, in java's binary plugin is in plugin/i386/ns701:58
DanaGWTF?  Pausing quodlibet makes PulseAudio eat CPU.01:58
shadow420ok01:58
shadow420usser thanks01:58
shadowhywindhay all, ever since apirl 1, I haven't been able to change my login screen, kdm. Any one have any ideas?01:58
gligorhoria!crypto01:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about crypto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:58
ussershadow420, so what you'd is assuming you copied your jre folder to /usr/lib/jvm01:58
dwidmannhmm, dm-crypt, cbc, sha256, and aes by the looks of it01:58
ussershadow420, cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/01:59
darthanubis!truecrypt01:59
ubotuTruecypt is a free open-source on-the-fly disk encryption software.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TruecryptHiddenVolume01:59
dwidmann(amazing what I can deduce by myself when forced to put my head to it and don't feel like using google)01:59
ussershadow420, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so01:59
darthanubisamazing is right!01:59
ussershadow420, that should do it01:59
darthanubissee hand holding on full display!01:59
darthanubisdone for you01:59
darthanubisonly in #ubuntu!01:59
darthanubisnever get that type of service elsewhere02:00
shadow420usser ok I will restart firefox02:00
usserhehe02:00
ussershadow420, ok02:00
darthanubisnever learn anything that way, but thats what ubuntu means02:00
shadow420I got a couple of apps I wanted FireFox and Xchat02:00
TwistageAnyone know if redirected direct rendering was incorporated in the beta?02:01
usserredirected direct rendering lol02:02
RAOF_Twistage: No; it still requires git snapshots of everything interesting (libdrm, mesa, X).02:02
RAOF_And also is only for Intel cards ATM, and only (I think) for 965 chips, and ... :)02:03
shadow420usser ok I checked it it did now start up it's still saying missing plugin02:03
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darthanubisshadow420, thats why if you want something done right.....02:03
gligorhoriaok 1 more question, sorry for being anoing, if i want to use my ubuntu as a server and descktop would you recommend installing ubuntu server and xorg and all the other app on top or should i install ubuntu descktop and install lamp afterwards (i care aboute security mainly with the least amount of time required)02:03
TwistageRAOF: Bah of course I get shafted by having the Intel, haha.02:04
RAOFTwistage: It should *hopefully* make it into Intrepid; but that's by no means sure.02:04
ussershadow420, check the paths did u specify it correctly02:04
darthanubisgligorhoria, I install from the alternate cd02:04
darthanubisthat way I get the best of everything02:04
ussershadow420, wheres your java folder double check that02:04
darthanubis!alt02:04
ubotuThe Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal02:04
ussershadow420, try doing the same with /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins02:04
RAOFTwistage: Well, only the nvidia blob does it correctly, as far as I know.02:05
shadow420usser ok02:05
darthanubisgligorhoria, all I want, with nothing I don't want02:05
darthanubisgligorhoria, use tasksel02:05
darthanubis;)02:05
darthanubisyour set02:05
gligorhoriadarthanubis ty, that's like debian network cd02:05
darthanubisyup02:05
gligorhoriaor what?02:05
gligorhoriaok02:05
darthanubisyou got it02:05
darthanubisgligorhoria, then you pull down only what you want02:06
dwidmannhmm, now to figure out how to get lvm to start so I can play with my encrypted lvm volume :\02:06
darthanubisdwidmann, are you using the alt cd?02:06
shadow420usser no such file or directory is what I am getting when I cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins02:07
gligorhoriahmm but will he ask me aboute the kernell and will the kernell be configured with the extra plugins they embaded in the server kernel ? :D02:07
ussershadow420, hm then you dont have it02:07
ussershadow420, nvm02:07
gligorhoriashadow420 locate mozilla02:08
gligorhoriato find out the path02:08
dwidmannDarkMageZ: of course, hmmmm, there we go02:08
shadow420/var/lib/mozilla-firefox?02:09
gligorhoriashadow420 might be02:09
akioim going to cry if i don't find out what group is 4602:09
gligorhoriatry changing to that directory02:09
darthanubis"what group is 46"?02:09
akioyup02:09
shadow420gligorhoria nope only contains extensions.d02:09
darthanubiswhats that supposed to mean?02:09
akiothere is a line in fstab that i did not write02:10
gligorhoriashadow420 u tried with root privilegies?02:10
darthanubisyou will need to form a coherent question02:10
akiothe mounted files are accessible by group 4602:10
dwidmanndoesn't seem to be recognizing the lvm volume properly :\ won't let me use it ....02:10
darthanubisbummer02:10
akio/dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       102:10
shadow420when I made the symlink I had root access02:10
akiowhat is 46?02:10
darthanubisyou might want to learn about group ids?02:11
gligorhoriashadow420 sorry shadow...02:12
gligorhoriacu all02:12
shadow420blah02:12
ussershadow420, hm it works for me here02:13
ussershadow420, u sure u dont have old sun-java6 package laying around02:13
ussershadow420, lets go step by step02:14
shadow420I am sure02:14
ussershadow420, did u download latest binary from java.com?02:14
ussershadow420, self-extracting one02:14
shadow420yea that was the first thing I did so I can have the latest version02:14
akiodarthanubis: there is no group 46 on my system02:15
ussershadow420, right and u ran it? and it created a directory called jre1.6.0_05?02:15
DarkMageZdwidmann, hmm? what?02:15
shadow420usser jdk1.6.0_0602:16
ussershadow420, jdk?? there is no plugin in jdk, jdk is java development kit contains javac and all other tools for plugin u need jre02:16
ussershadow420, which is java runtime environment02:16
shadow420well when I installed the sun-java6-jdk it comes with the jre?02:17
ussershadow420, i dont think so02:17
dwidmannarghhhhhhhhh, "Apr 17 01:17:12 main-menu[18460]: WARNING **: parser_rfc822: Iek! Don't find end of field, it seems to be after the end of the line!02:18
m1rhello02:18
ussershadow420, oh it does my bad02:18
shadow420maybe if I install the plugin it might fix it02:19
ussershadow420, then directory layout of it is different probably02:19
dwidmannoh yay, stuck in some sort of endless loop, guess I might as well shut down now.02:19
ussershadow420, hang on dont do anything02:19
darthanubisakio, maybe a group was created for that ntfs partition. Are you having some sort of issue of some kind?02:19
ussershadow420, your symlink may point to nowhere?02:19
akiothat group is plugdev02:19
akioand im a member02:19
m1ri have installed xubuntu-desktop package and after few startups , taskbars disapear. is there a way to get them back ?02:19
darthanubisplugin device02:19
darthanubism1r, no tell what you did, thus can't walk you out of it?02:20
ussershadow420, right gimme the ln -s command that u issued?02:20
ussershadow420, exact command02:20
akioi could force the mounting of my ntfs partition, but i though there was a better way to do it02:20
nosrednaekimm1r: you might be able to get a better answer in #xubuntu, since getting them back isn't a hardy only issue02:20
akiowith the new gnome vfs and fuse02:20
darthanubis!ntfs-3g | akio02:20
ubotuakio: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions02:20
akioright02:21
shadow420sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so02:21
shadow420usser sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so02:21
ussershadow420, ok now do ls /usr/lib/jvm02:21
ussershadow420, pastebin it02:21
shadow420ok02:21
m1rdarthanubis: i removed from menu "about xfce" and help" , last i recall02:22
shadow420!pastebin02:22
ubotupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)02:22
m1rnosrednaekim: ok i check also there02:22
darthanubism1r, makes no sense to me?02:22
shadow420usser java-6-sun  java-6-sun-1.6.0.0502:23
m1rdarthanubis: i cant figure out why they dont appear, altho i have made firefox and pidgin shortcuts on desktop so i can use it02:24
ussershadow420, i dont understand did u put those there?02:24
shadow420no thats what the sun-java6-jdk put there02:24
ussershadow420, u told it to install there?02:24
darthanubism1r, you not making any sense to me:/02:25
ussershadow420, cause it usually creates an installation in the same directory from which .bin file was invoked?02:25
shadow420usser no all I did was sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk02:25
ussershadow420, dude i dont get you, u said u wanted the latest version02:25
ussershadow420, the one in the repos is probably outdated02:26
ussershadow420, and apt-get does exactly that installs outdated version02:26
shadow420usser not accorrding to java.com02:26
darthanubis!plugin02:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about plugin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:26
ussershadow420, oh man02:26
darthanubis!java02:26
ubotuTo install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)02:26
ussershadow420, you just blew my mind :P02:26
shadow420usser in the hardy repos it's the latest version02:27
ussershadow420, so why go in all that trouble02:27
ussershadow420, i see.02:27
shadow420usser linux working with java is still very new to me02:27
ussershadow420, so do sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin02:28
ussershadow420, that will do02:28
shadow420usser did that still didn't work02:28
akiomy fstab has hda names and fdisk -l has sda names02:29
shadow420usser all I did was install java and installed firefox202:30
shadow420I may just yank everthing considering java out and start from scratch02:31
darthanubisshadow420, maybe read the links I gave you this time?02:32
darthanubisthat was a lot of wasted time and engery to circumvent reading02:33
shadow420I am also new to KDE02:34
Sergeant_Ponyevening folks02:36
darthanubisevening02:37
m1rdarta02:37
m1rdarthanubis: tnx it working02:37
darthanubisnp02:37
darthanubisI could have told you what TheSheep ptold you, but I was not understanding your question,sorry02:38
ussershadow420, try sudo update-alternative --config java make sure the correct version is selected02:38
m1rsorry my bad english :/02:39
darthanubism1r, I wish my spanish was as bad as your english02:40
darthanubisthat gives me an idea02:40
darthanubis!es02:40
ubotuAquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.02:40
darthanubissee how well I can support en espanol channel02:41
Sergeant_Ponyanyone play dvd's using vlc?02:43
IdleOne!ask02:44
ubotuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)02:44
shadow420sudo: update-alternative: command not found02:44
ussershadow420, sudo update-alternatives02:44
ussershadow420, my bad02:45
shadow420There is only 1 program which provides java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.02:46
ussershadow420, looks fine02:47
m1r:D02:47
ussershadow420, i dunno man try that again cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugin02:49
ussershadow420, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so02:50
ussershadow420, restart firefox see if it works02:50
ussercd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins sorry02:50
kreativeon the side of my hp laptop i have the card readers for my digital camera xd card, how can i get it to read02:52
misome1 have here q6600?02:52
shadow420it's woprking now02:53
mifan speed is low ...900 RPM ?02:53
shadow420it's working now02:53
m1rmy audio card is recognised but it dont play any sound : Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] (rev 02). any tips to get this runing ?02:53
jblackHas anyone heard anything about fixing the broken xen networking in Hardy?02:55
Flannelkreative: does plugging in the card work?02:55
nosrednaekimanyone else have any problems with multiple mount point for each name? for instance disk, disk_, disk__, disk___ etc02:55
ussershadow420, cool!02:56
shadow420thanks everyone02:56
kreativeflannel: nope02:58
mistupid ...when T cpu is going high fan speed go down ??02:59
milol02:59
swuboonorednaekim:  Yes, but there's already a patch for that out.02:59
Flannelkreative: Well, lsusb will help, since I guarantee it's internally a USB device, but apart from that, I don't have much experience with card readers02:59
swuboonorednaekim:  Assuming your Hardy install is up to date, you should just have to clean up the existing redundant mount points and you won't have any new ones spawn.02:59
Flannelkreative: lsusb will give you device IDs and stuff, google might be a good place to go once you're armed with that.03:00
nosrednaekimswuboo: its not for me.. its for a freind03:00
nosrednaekimswuboo: I'll tell him to update03:00
swuboonosrednaekim:  Patch came out yesterday, I think.  Regardless, have him update and clean up the existing cruft.  Should fix it.03:01
instabindoes 8.04 support the canon mx70003:01
nosrednaekimalright03:01
instabinits a network printer/scanner03:01
nosrednaekimswuboo: alright... he's already all up to date, and he'll try cleaning up the cruft and seeing if that fixes it03:03
Sergeant_Ponyanyone use vlc to play dvd's?03:03
miyes03:03
mivlc 0.9.003:03
swuboonodrednaekim:  Good luck.03:03
Sergeant_Ponydoes it work for you?03:03
kreativeok thanks.03:03
RAOFSergeant_Pony: You'll almost certainly have more luck by asking your actual question :)03:03
miyep03:04
RAOFSergeant_Pony: Which is presumably "how do I make VLC play DVDs?" :)03:04
Sergeant_Ponyhmm.. I can't get mine toplay dvd's... is there a plugin or something it needs?03:04
swubooSergeant_Pony:  libdvdcss2?03:04
Sergeant_Ponywhere would I find it to see if I have it?03:04
swubooSergeant_Pony:  No idea offhand.  Could probably just check Synaptic.03:05
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swubooSergeant_Pony:  /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss203:06
Sergeant_Ponythanks.. I';ll takje a look03:07
swubooSergeant_Pony:  Commercial DVD's simply *will not* play without that library.  Caveat:  Using that library to play DVD's is not legal in the United States.03:07
Sergeant_Ponyreally? hmmm.... interesting03:07
crashsystemsI just entered. are you referring to libdvdcss?03:08
swuboocrashsystems:  Yup.03:08
crashsystemswhere is a good place to download that for hardy?03:08
swuboocrashsystems:  Synaptic comes to mind.'03:08
crashsystemsit doesn't come up on a search.03:09
swuboocrashsystem:  Does for me.  Do you have multiverse enabled?03:09
ffmThe gutsy to hardy process halted during the upgrade, see http://paste.tonybox.net/689 for what it currently displays. Any ideas? How should I proceed?03:09
crashsystemsI believe so, though I will check03:09
swuboocrashsystem:  It's libdvdcss2, by the by.03:10
Sergeant_Ponythat's why, I don't have it03:10
taggiecrashsystems and sergeant_pony: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu03:10
crashsystemstaggie: thanks. for some reason I thought that it was included in the "restricted extras" meta-package03:14
taggiecrashsystems; because of the questionable legality issue, it probably will never end up in the default repos.03:15
ffmIf my hardy updater seems frozen, how can I nudge it along? (I don't care if php is broken)03:15
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taggieffm, initial upgrade from gutsy to hardy, or just a regular apt upgrade?03:16
keanuI know the final freeze has already passed, but is there a reason why libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio isn't installed by default?03:16
theKayhey you guys03:17
theKayI've installed the prerelease version and upgraded and I get this with the flash installation: ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the03:17
theKay       Adobe Flash Player installer.03:17
nosrednaekimswuboo: worked great.. thanks03:17
ffmtaggie: the former.03:18
darthanubis!flash64 | theKay03:18
ubotutheKay: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava03:18
ffmkeanu: What's that?03:18
taggieffm; that's a bummer, i don't know the answer.03:18
theKayawright03:18
theKayany news on java 64 then?03:18
ffmtaggie: It just froze on php. Can I killall updatemanager and just ignore the broken php package?03:19
swuboonosrednaekim:  Sure thing.03:19
darthanubis!icetea03:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about icetea - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:19
darthanubis!java03:19
ubotuTo install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)03:19
darthanubis!6403:19
ubotuAMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.03:19
taggieffm, can't say. i have had regular upgrades broken and ctrl-c'ed, but not a distro upgrade. that seems scarier.l03:19
darthanubistheKay, I have working java on my 64bit box03:20
darthanubistheKay, search synaptic for java03:20
darthanubis!apps03:20
ubotuA comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant03:20
darthanubis!packages03:20
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!03:20
theKaythe 32 bit though, right darthanubis?03:20
keanuffm, i didn't know until about 30 minutes ago - apparently it's sdl compiled with pulseaudio (just reading synaptic)03:21
darthanubisno03:21
darthanubisthere are 64 bit alternatives03:21
darthanubissearch synaptic03:21
theKayfill me in a bit on this if you don't mind. I was left back when it was announced that java would go open source03:21
keanuffm, from what I noticed, programs using sdl and sound won't function unless that package is installed (and libsdl1.2debian-alsa removed).  the rockbox simulator, for instance, will segfault unless that package is installed03:21
darthanubistheKay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea03:22
darthanubisUnlike Sun's own Java release, IcedTea provides a working browser plugin for 64-bit browsers under 64-bit Linux. This makes it suitable to enable support for Java applets in 64-bit Firefox, among others. Also, Java Web Start support by means of NetX.03:23
darthanubis:)03:23
crashsystemshas anyone here had difficulty/success in getting a microphone (ether built in or via microphone port) to work in hardy?03:23
darthanubisno03:23
theKayoh ok. thanks very much for that darthanubis03:23
darthanubisnp03:24
darthanubisI luv 64bit03:24
crashsystemsmy mic worked just fine in 7.04, but ever since 7.10, it has not worked. I've tried this on two laptops, and know people who have been having the same problem.03:24
theKaywhich soundcard?03:25
crashsystemsAudio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)03:26
crashsystemsI've had the same problems on other cards though.03:26
theKaynot that H again!03:26
crashsystemswhat do you mean theKay?03:26
theKaycan you post the result of: grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#*03:27
theKay?03:27
crashsystems/proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: SigmaTel STAC922803:28
crashsystems/proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: Conexant ID 2c0603:28
DanaGHmm, when I pause quodlibet, PulseAudio eats CPU.03:28
theKayok03:28
darthanubis!pastebin03:28
ubotupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)03:28
theKayI think you can get this working crashsystems03:28
ffmkeanu: then add it as a dep of thos packs.03:28
theKaya friend of mine had this 82801H but is was a realtek 268 if I remember well03:29
crashsystemsdell inspiron 1420, btw03:30
shadow420KDE is really nice I may switch or stay with GNOME03:30
theKayyou might go searching for that SigmaTel STAC922803:30
theKaybrb, have to restart ffox03:30
theKayok03:32
crashsystemsI found this in bug #186940 in launchpad03:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18694003:32
keanuffm, my point is is that it seems all programs using sdl (rockbox sim, frozen-bubbles, neverball, etc) require libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio to output sound, which is why i'm wondering why it's not installed by default03:33
theKayso the flash plugin only works with ffox32?03:34
crashsystemsthat is what I have heard03:35
theKaythat's a pity03:35
theKayhow is that flas alternative going?03:35
* DanaG has broken capture in STAC9250.03:35
crashsystemstheKay: are you asking me?03:36
theKayanyone03:36
kenneth1does xubuntu release of 8.04 come simultaneously w/ ubuntu release?03:37
ffmkenneth1: #xubuntu?03:38
ffmkenneth1: I don't know.03:38
kenneth1ffm: it's quiet there.  but thanks for the feedback03:39
ffmkenneth1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=473112903:39
crashsystemsjust found the solution! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186940/comments/1903:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Fix released]03:39
kenneth1ffm: how do you know when those things are reliable ?03:40
eternal_phey all, has anyone had any success with vmware 6.5 and bridged networking?03:40
ffmkenneth1: You don't.03:41
kenneth1ffm: sweet...now that's what I call useful.03:41
keanuffm, wouldn't libsdl1.2debian-all or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be better than -alsa since PA is the default sound system in hardy?03:42
ffmkenneth1: In the past that's been the case.03:43
kenneth1Go ask a question and just get people's random guesses to your answer.  Or maybe there are even people who purposefully go on the forums and give false information.03:43
kenneth1ffm: so you're saying they've released simultaneously in the past?03:43
ffmkenneth1: mhm.03:46
ffmkenneth1: Why would people lie?03:46
theKayok flash+java working03:48
theKaysome icons don't load properly on firefox3203:48
kenneth1ffm: some people actually get a kick out of causing other people pain.03:49
kenneth1ffm: anyways...thanks for the info.  I appreciate your help!03:50
keanuwouldn't libsdl1.2debian-all or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be better than -alsa as the pre-installed package since PA is the default sound system in hardy?03:58
aylluHi, i have a problem with the web cam i get this message "could not connect to video device"04:07
aylluany ideas04:08
usservideo cams are quirky04:11
ffmHi, I can't log into my install via the console, even.04:11
aylluwhat you mean wiht quirky04:11
ffmI get a *module not found* error via the console.04:11
usserayllu, some work right out of the box others wont work at all. Try googling maybe someone had a similar problem04:12
eckerhow's hardy running? safe / good idea to upgrade?04:17
nonewmsgsno04:17
nonewmsgsi would wait until actual relese04:17
eckeradvice taken04:18
nonewmsgsbut as always YMMV04:18
ffmecker: It works fine if you do a fresh install.04:19
ffmecker: Upgrades can be rough if you've heavilly modded your install.04:20
ffmFor example, my PAM install is totally hosed.04:20
eckereh, then i guess i shall wait04:20
ffmecker: But my newly installed hardy machine runs snappilly.04:20
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cvd-prhey there04:41
HorizonXP!hardy04:49
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu04:49
jbroomewow, thanks for the driveby botting04:50
freakabcdhi all04:52
freakabcdcould someone tell me why the dvd iso is 3.7G and not 4.3 or 4.4G in size?04:53
linkinxpin what folder are the softwares that i install???04:53
freakabcdcouldn;t more software be included in the dvd?04:53
Flannellinkinxp: It doesn't work quite like that.04:53
Flannelfreakabcd: More software is04:53
Flannel!filesystem | linkinxp04:53
ubotulinkinxp: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview04:53
freakabcdFlannel, yes? theres still .7 G left04:53
linkinxpFlannel:  let me check :D04:53
abarbacciaall - i am working with mythtv on hardy and i can't determine if pulseaudio or the sound card driver is causing this problem: alsa emulation works for playback but changing the volume within mythtv does not have any effect. in fact, changing the volume from the gnome-volume applet doesn't have any effect either. help please?04:54
Flannelfreakabcd: well, there's more software on the DVD than the CD, if its not full, then yes, in theory more could be put on there.  Are you sure theres 700mb left?04:54
freakabcdthe dvd is 3.7G04:55
freakabcdsame as the last one for gutsy :(04:55
wastrelcompiz is crashy in the latest updates04:55
freakabcdits a shame that much space is left out04:55
Flannelfreakabcd: that means theres 1G left04:55
l815i just updated and my screen resolution wont go above 640x48004:55
freakabcdFlannel, huh?04:55
Flannelfreakabcd: DVDs are 4.7G04:56
freakabcdsorry. the 3.7GiB. the crappy dvd manufacturers discs (4.7GB)are really 4.4GiB04:56
freakabcdhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080417/04:57
Flannelfreakabcd: What I'd like to say is that all of the packages in main are on the DVD, but I know thats not the case, since the other WMs arent.04:57
freakabcdthe sizes there are `real' computer units (2^x).04:57
freakabcdyeah, thats why i asked.04:57
Flannelfreakabcd: File a bug, perhaps.04:57
freakabcdtheres a _lot_ of space on the dvd remaining. why didn;t they fill it up?04:57
Flannelfreakabcd: I'm aware of the difference between G and Gi04:58
FlannelI just wasn't aware DVDs were GB04:58
freakabcdFlannel, unfortunately they are.04:58
freakabcdi file a bugreport on launchpad?04:58
Flannelwell, I'm not really sure, but that'd be one way of looking at it.  I'd file a bug, and stop by -devel and ask, -motu also may be able to say (although mildly offtopic, but motu is a somewhat relaxed channel)04:59
T1m0thywhat is motu?05:00
freakabcdyeah. i never thought of asking in motu.05:00
freakabcdlemme try there05:00
freakabcdMasters Of The Universe05:00
T1m0thyo.O05:01
Flannelfreakabcd: and once you find out, be sure to let me know.  Since youre not registered and can't query, I'll always be in -offtopic.05:01
FlannelT1m0thy: they take care of the stuff in universe05:01
T1m0thyo05:01
T1m0thyh05:01
T1m0thy*oh05:01
freakabcdFlannel, i am registered. just didn;t bother to identify :p05:01
Flannelfreakabcd: alright, let me know once you find out, one way or another.05:01
freakabcdthere, i'm identified now05:01
T1m0thyWhat does a GiB or MiB etc exist for?05:03
FlannelT1m0thy: ask in -offtopic, seeing that you're there already, and thats a good place for it05:04
T1m0thyalright05:04
Hammer89my brother just ran dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda on my fresh 8.04 installation as a practical joke :\05:16
RAOFWhoops.  This is why your brother shouldn't be in the 'admin' group :)05:16
FlannelHammer89: Well, at least it was a fresh install05:16
JohnPhysHammer89:  Ouch, that's why you don't let him have sudo powers :)05:17
Hammer89:D05:17
Hammer89I caught it and stopped it... dunno how much damage it's caused05:17
Hammer89still boots...05:17
Hammer89Flannel: yeah... he should be glad of that... someone's head would be rolling if it were my every-day use computer :P05:18
RAOFHammer89: If he didn't execute it with sudo, it won't have done anything.  If he _did_ execute it with sudo your partition table should be toast.05:19
Hammer89it was definitely executed with sudo...05:19
RAOFOh, I don't suppose that hda is your cd drive?  Almost all hdds should be using libata, which'll name them /dev/sd?05:19
Hammer89lemme check that05:20
MrGnuGood evening, do we handle Ubuntu 64 here?05:20
RAOFWhere `?` should be interpreted as a regex char, not a quention mark :)05:20
RAOFMrGnu: If you mean "Is this a support chanel for the x86-64 variant of Hardy", then yes.05:21
Hammer89lol... I think I'm all good... doesn't look like hda was my main disk (duh? :P )05:22
Hammer89guess his practical joke was better than I thought... :\05:22
edoceoMy FF3 beta has stopped automatickly opening PDFs with kPDF  - seems all application associations are hosed - ideas?05:22
MrGnuI am in the process of installing anI have XP as the primary, Vista is secondary and I shrank the partition using Vista.  My question is if in installing Hardy 64 it picks the harddrive that is other than what vista sharnk the partiton for, if it will affect the bootloading so that I will not be to boot all three proplerly?05:24
freakabcdhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/21850505:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218505 in ubuntu "install/live DVD is *not* full" [Undecided,New]05:25
afallenhopehey guys!05:26
afallenhopeis there an issue with the b43 module?05:26
americanhi everyone05:26
micha__how do i install the kubuntu resticted driver manager in systemsettings05:26
americanI'm currently using 7.10 fresh install so i don' tmind installing Heron beta.  Which is better to upgrade to stable when it is released?05:26
americanheron i mean05:26
RAOFMrGnu: I'm not quite sure what the question is.  Everything should be fine if you install Hardy onto the empty partition.05:27
JohnPhysMrGnu:  when you say "primary" and "secondary", are you referring to separate physical drives, or partitions?05:27
edoceoWelll - I've been running Hardy updates daily on my primary workstation for weeks - use it now05:27
edoceoIf you find an issue file a bug ;)05:27
MrGnuJohPhys: They are seperate physical drives05:27
micha__somebody know how the package name for the restricted manager05:27
ionstormHey is there any way to completely re-install all default packages to the ubuntu defaults via apt ?05:27
DanaGHammer89: If you ever have partition table damage, remember this word: TestDisk.  It's a utility that can save partition tables, seemingly magically.05:28
ionstormor completely remove all packages to the default ubuntu installation05:28
Hammer89DanaG: thanks :D05:28
DanaG(But it won't fix damage within partitions, most likely.)05:28
ionstormive been searching google for over an hr05:28
RAOFionstorm: No, not with apt only.05:28
ionstormRAOF, i seen a python script that did that05:29
ionstormi know its not just with apt, do you know a good method?05:29
edoceoionstorm: find list of defaults, grep -v the dpkg -l output, use those non-matches to apt-get remove --purge ?05:29
RAOFedoceo: I was just about to suggest that :)05:29
ionstormedoceo, im suprised there isnt documentation on that05:29
ionstormthat would be handy to allot of ppl05:29
edoceoIf you make that script please post somewhere nice - I could use it too.05:29
edoceoOMG!!!!05:29
RAOFionstorm: It's not really something that comes up often.05:29
edoceoI have a fresh LTS server install I can get you the dpkg list from...05:30
edoceoJust removed mysql and postfix so add those back to the list and tada!05:30
MrGnuXpHDB1 AND VSTA IS ON SDA 1 UBUNTU IS SLECELCTING SDB305:30
ionstormRAOF, yes I want to figure this out then add it to the tutorials on ubuntuforums05:30
RAOFOf course, you'd actually want to be a bit more sophisticated; you'd want to look at (say) ubuntu-desktop and build up a list of it's depends, then all of their depends, and so on, until you'e got everything.05:30
JohnPhysMrGnu: please watch the caps lock05:31
edoceogettting now ... hang on05:31
RAOFionstorm: I suggest trying a bit of a python script; it shouldn't be _too_ hard to do that recursion with python-apt05:31
freakabcdmicha__, it is called restricted-manager-kde05:31
micha__freakabcd: thanks05:31
MrGnuSorry using A smaller keyboard05:31
freakabcdmicha__, for kde ofcourse. the gnome one is restricted-manager05:31
micha__ionstorm: what are you trying to do05:31
RAOFfreakabcd: Isn't it actually 'jockey' now?05:32
ionstormmicha__, just reinstall ubuntu to the original state05:32
freakabcdi dunno.05:32
peepsalotin gutsy, i usually see a little progress bar before x starts, but i just get a black screen in hardy, then gdm all the sudden05:32
peepsalotis this normal?05:32
freakabcdi've never tried hardy install. i just do live hardy-beta sessions once in a while05:32
afallenhopeomg omg omg omg!!! where's the "any key" I'm lost!05:32
* afallenhope lol kidding05:33
critter-peeps that is normal if you dont have the splashscreen activated05:33
freakabcdP on your keyboard!05:33
ionstormSee i figure reinstalling to defaults will be easier for others than doing a full install with a livecd05:33
ionstormwell just an easy option anyways05:33
edoceoionstorm: http://edoceo.com/pub/dpkg.out05:33
edoceomaybe say curl [that url] | awk '{ print $2 }'05:34
edoceoOr use cut, or sed or perl or whatever05:34
ionstormedoceo, thanks05:34
peepsalotlol, for screen resolution, my options are 800x600, 640x480, and "OFF"05:34
peepsalotsounds scary05:34
critter-peepsalot, i have heard that people have had expansions of resolutions upon install ubuntu-restricted-extras and also updating their systems05:35
edoceoso - no ideas on the firefox lost applications list?  Can't believe i'm the only one...05:35
Hammer89I had issues with my resolution after installing 8.04... it wouldn't let me set it higher than 800 x 600... it worked again after I installed the restricted drivers and restarted, though05:36
peepsalotcritter, i wasn't so much commenting about the lack of options, i just that that "OFF" was a very strange resolution05:36
peepsalots/that that/thought that/05:36
critter-ahh so maybe its not ubuntu-restriced-extras but the restricted drivers.  thanks Hammer8905:37
bullgard4Synaptic: "libgweather is a library to access weather information from online services for numerous locations. This package contains shared libraries." My favorite Web-Service-Provider does not need libgweather. Why does Ubuntu Hardy install libgweather install by default?05:37
MrGnuNever mind John Phys thanks for trying, I found the solutoin.  Thanks again.05:38
critter-bicyclist, may i pm you ?05:38
JohnPhysMrGnu: sorry, I got pulled away for a bit05:39
crdlbbullgard4: ? the clock weather thingy needs it05:39
bicyclistwhy ?05:39
critter-bike questions :)05:39
bicyclistGrin, ok.05:39
MrGnuNo worries thanks all Have a good night05:40
bicyclistAnyone having problems with printing under firefox 3beta5 ?05:40
bicyclistI always get an xml error instead of being able to print05:40
bullgard4crdlb: Thank you for your information. Still, I do not need the clock weather thing.05:41
crdlbbullgard4: so?05:41
critter-i just printed something through cups and firefox 3 beta5 so its working ok here05:41
peepsalotalright, 311MB of upgrades to install wwooooo05:42
shadow420bicyclist I would suggest to downgrade to FF205:43
Hammer89I thought it was kinda odd myself that they'd use a beta version of FF as the default browser :P05:44
crdlbit's because firefox 2 is _so_ terrrible :)05:44
hydrogenI thought it was kinda odd they used FF as the default browser05:44
crdlb(it's so terrible that I used three r's ...)05:45
critter-shadow420, when you downgrade to firefox 2 do you still have issues with flash playback ?  like firefox crashing after every 2nd flash video played ?05:45
Hammer89crdlb: lol05:45
edoceonegative: FF3beta5 is pretty good - only crashed once in the last four days!05:45
shadow420critter- I hardly had any problems with flash in FF205:45
critter-thanks.  i'll keep that in mind05:46
Hammer89"hardly had any problems"... why does that strike me as mildly amusing :\ **looks at the time... ah... that must be why**05:46
shadow420infact flash is working right now05:48
shadow420critter-  even though I am on a beta version of Hardy I am not testing my luck05:51
tanner!beta05:53
ubotuIf you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.05:53
tannererm,05:53
tanner!hardy05:53
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu05:53
bullgard4What does the 'g' stand for in 'gvfs', a userspace virtual filesystem?05:53
Flannelgnome05:54
shadow420bullgard4 Gnome Virtual FileSystem05:55
bullgard4shadow420: Can you tell me why just GNOME needs "a filesystem where mount runs as a separate process which you talk to via dbus"?05:56
shadow420bullgard4 no I can't I don't have a high rate of knowledge of linux05:58
bullgard4shadow420: Right. Thank you.05:58
Flannelbullgard4: gvfs is the filesystem gnome uses for its automounting, I believe.05:58
crdlbgvfs is used to access any non-local storage05:59
bullgard4Flannel: I will try to confirm that. --  Thank you.05:59
crdlbftp, sftp, smb, etc05:59
Flannelcrdlb: what about usb drives/cards/etc?05:59
crdlbFlannel: well gio (the lowlevel part in GLib) has APIs to handle volume mounting, but the mounting itself is done by gnome-volume-manager + hal06:00
bicyclistHave downgraded to firefox 2 and can print there. With a fresh firefox 3 beta5 install i still cannot print.06:02
crdlbI guess it probably contains some volume-related stuff06:02
crdlbit's mainly about allowing seamless access to data anywhere no matter what protocol it's available on06:03
shadow420bicyclist it's because FF3 is still unstable06:04
shadow420why do you think I went with FF2 over FF3Beta06:04
bicyclistWell i am not angry about that, just wondering if it is a well known bug.06:04
bicyclistGrin, i know have both on the system depending on what i want to do.06:05
shadow420!firefox06:05
ubotufirefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins06:05
shadow420!help firefox06:06
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about help firefox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:06
CoasterMasterIs the RC being released today?06:06
bicyclistNope on April 18th.06:07
bicyclistGot a mail regarding RC Release yesterday.06:07
CoasterMasterthat's probably for the better as I have a big program due tomorrow and now isn't the time to be installing a new OS06:09
shadow420!hardy06:09
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu06:09
shadow420for hard06:09
shadow420I am dumping my second HD of both operating systems when I get my CD of Hardy Heron with Gnome KDE seams a little bit to much of windows06:11
CoasterMasterI'm a gnome man...i don't like kde :(06:11
shadow420and thats what I want to stay away from another windows look alike06:11
CoasterMastershadow420, you can check out fluxbuntu :)06:12
peepsalotoh sweet, got the boot progress bar after updates06:12
shadow420how good is Fluxbox?06:12
CoasterMastershadow420, my friend swears by it06:13
CoasterMasterit's very minimalist06:13
peepsalotwooo, and uber screen resolution is here! 1920x128006:13
peepsaloter 1920x120006:13
shadow420well I also want to make sure my apps that I like to run will06:14
shadow420run on FluxBox like nexiuz and other apps06:16
RAOFshadow420: Yes.  Everything should run under every desktop environment.06:17
critter-now that ufw is bundled with hardy is it adviseable to use it on top of a NAT router ?06:19
peepsalotwow, this system monitor is crazy.  it uses up a ton of CPU just to display it :-/06:23
peepsalotit seems to be updating at a very fast interval, even though it is set to once per seconf06:24
DanaGsliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH06:24
DanaGSucks.06:24
peepsalotlol, i guess I'm not the only one06:25
DanaGIt's a bit disturbing.06:25
peepsalotyeah, and i thought the old system monitor used too much CPU06:25
bullgard4critter-: What does 'ufw' stand for?06:26
darthanubisbullgard1, its a firewall06:27
darthanubis!ufw06:27
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ufw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:27
darthanubis!firewall06:27
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).06:27
darthanubis!packages06:27
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!06:27
nickrud!info ufw hardy06:28
RAOFpeepsalot: It (is meant to) smoothly scroll between the 1sec datapoints.  It's curretly set for 5fps.  Sadly the nvidia drivers don't accelerate XRender very well at all, so you get the rubbish performance.06:28
ubotuufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is standard. Version 0.16.2 (hardy), package size 22 kB, installed size 204 kB06:28
darthanubisnickrud, thx!06:28
tehquicknessIs it possible to use BCM43xx driver in 8/04?06:29
tehquickness**8.0406:29
peepsalotRAOF, well, then the "enable smooth refresh" checkbox in the preferences is broken, because I have it turned off06:29
darthanubis!broadcom06:29
ubotuHelp with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx06:29
RAOFOh, I didn't know there _was_ such a preference.06:29
DanaG!bot06:29
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:29
DanaG!botabuse06:29
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.06:29
DanaGend.06:29
DanaGI usually give up after two tries.06:29
tehquicknesshmm that was odd06:30
peepsalotRAOF, errr, nevermind, that is a preference under the "Processes" tab.  but really, there should be a preference for graphs if this is going to cause such crappy perfomance.06:31
peepsaloti don't really care that if it refreshes every second or so.06:32
DanaGI want a jaggedy graph, not a nauseating lurchy one.06:32
DanaGImagine riding in a car that was doing that.06:32
DanaGsliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH 06:32
DanaGUgh, now my cube / cylinder is twitchyflickering.06:33
pwuertzhi... some update broke compiz for my nvidia/hardy system... another intel/hardy system still works06:34
* DanaG still hasn't installed that nvidia-glx-new update.06:35
DanaG.... no changelog.06:35
DanaGThat policy has served to keep me behind long enough to avoid some major breakages over the Gutsy and Hardy cycles.06:35
pwuertzcompiz doesn't do anything anymore06:36
DanaGthat... and lurking in IRC>06:36
Fritzelif X just crashed for what appears like no reason, where would I go to check to see what happened?06:36
pwuertzno decorations.. no movement of windows using shortcuts...06:36
_sluimers_How can I check wether nautilus gksu works?06:37
RAOFpeepsalot: To summarise the open GNOME bug on that: "We're not going to add a 'I'm using a rubbish driver' option when there's any chance that this will encourage drivers to be less rubbish".06:37
_sluimers_I cannot open folders in admin :(06:37
LynoureFritzel: /var/log/Xorg.log06:37
_sluimers_despite having installed the package06:37
pwuertzFritzel: /var/log/Xorg.log or similar... but I guess there is nothing to find if it just crashed06:37
cvd-prHow can i  resume in wget?06:38
Fritzelpwuertz: Lynoure: would there be any place else? that shows a flawless startup06:38
jbroomecvd-pr: wget -c URL06:38
jbroomeor man wget06:39
peepsalotRAOF, argh, even if the driver wasn't rubbish, i still would probably turn it off.  i mean, i'm sure it still uses some cpu.  and i prefer my monitors to influence the readings as little as possible06:39
Fritzelpwuertz: Lynoure: which I'm sort of taking to mean that log clears when X restarts?06:39
LynoureFritzel: look at the older ones.06:39
pwuertzFritzel: thats what the .0 and .1 files are for06:39
pwuertz.1 is the older one06:39
LynoureFritzel: the bigger the number, the older they are06:39
peepsaloti should write my own GUI system monitor and call it heisenberg06:39
Fritzelwell it jumps from 0 to 1006:39
Fritzelbut there is a 0.old which I'm looking at now06:39
pwuertzaggg sorry06:39
pwuertzthe dot-number files are indicating the screen number06:40
peepsalotRAOF, have a link to the bug?06:40
pwuertznormally just .006:40
DanaGwhat's this "i'm using a rubbish driver" point?06:40
pwuertzyea.. the .old file is the correct one06:40
Fritzelahh ok the 10 was probably when I had to sysrq k then06:40
Fritzelnevermind I found it, driver appears to have taken a nap06:40
pwuertzdriver problems might appear in dmesg as well06:41
Fritzelso much for the beta driver, it works soo much better, too bad it isn't stable :/06:41
pwuertzati?06:41
Fritzelnvidia06:41
Fritzel173.xx06:41
Fritzelbrb gonna revert to the old one06:41
pwuertzFritzel: are you having problems with compiz and nvidia-glx-new?06:41
pwuertzcompiz stopped working after some upgrade here...06:42
DanaGI've essentially decided to avoid nvidia next time -- and go with ATI, frankly.06:42
peepsalotah, i see that file-roller is still a piece of poo06:42
Fritzelno this is right off the sight,06:42
nekostarstarscalling06:42
Fritzelste06:42
Fritzelsite06:42
starscallingDanaG: wth?06:42
DanaGI'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap.06:42
Waistlesswhat's a good driver which minimises emerald corruption?06:42
Fritzelanyway brb let me get stable before doing anything else06:42
pwuertzk06:42
Waistlessnvidia 169.12 isn't doing that well06:42
nickrudwith crap levels roughly the same ....06:43
peepsalotseriously, it fails to extract about half the archives I throw at it06:44
RAOFDanaG: the problem is that the nvidia driver just doesn't accelerate XRender to any decent extent; since the gnome-system-monitor graphs are drawn using Cairo, and cairo is using XRender...06:44
* crdlb has never seen file-roller fail to extract something06:44
RAOFDanaG: Again, with nouveau those graphs are smooth and take minimal CPU, because nouveau actually bothers to accelerate XRender.06:45
crdlbthough I've only ever used it for tar.gz, tar.bz2, and deb (ar) archives06:45
DanaGHmm, another random note: set cube to 3 sides, and stretch a window as far as it'll go.06:45
RAOFpeepsalot: Not offhand, sorry.  Searching the system-monitor component of gnome-bugzilla should find it fairly easily.06:45
crdlbDanaG: my max texture size is too low to do that :<06:46
peepsalotcrdlb, http://download.jetbrains.com/idea/idea-7.0.3.tar.gz    fails for one, if you care to give it a whirl. though, it's a 70MB download06:47
DanaGWindow border breaks, but window itself doesn't.06:47
DanaGAnd it has a limit of some sort.06:47
crdlbDanaG: turns white?06:47
DanaGYep.06:47
peepsalotcrdlb, whereas tar -xvf completes with no errors06:47
DanaGWhat's odder is that the window will go into the center of the cylindrified triangle.06:47
crdlbthat's because the shadows extend slightly beyond the windows06:47
DanaG... if it's in a certain position.06:47
crdlband the maximum size calculation ignores the shadows06:48
DanaGOh, and lighting with cylindrify is odd.06:49
DanaGAnd atlantis with cylindrify is oddly, but amusingly, "squishy"06:49
DanaGOr bouncy -- it bounces up a bit on rotate.06:49
peepsalotcrdlb, i've had issues with file-roller being unable to extract various files on basically every Ubuntu install i've used06:50
nickrudis cylindrify an actual word?06:50
DanaGBeats me.06:50
DanaGOh, and atlantis2 ignores "deform only on mouse rotate"06:50
DanaGSwim with the fishes!06:51
WaistlessDanaG: do you know if that window border breaking is a problem with emerald or nvidia drivers? I can can instigate it right now just by switching tabs in chatzilla06:52
crdlball window border problems are nvidia's fault :P06:53
critter-i'm rather happy that i dont have to rely on sides of a cube to manage my tasks on my 22" lcd.  the effects are pretty, but functionally i am ok.06:54
* DanaG wishes HP would put a 3-series in the 8510p / 8510w.06:54
* DanaG wishes Asus would release a Cardbus or ExpressCard "Xonar" sound card.06:54
_sluimers_I cannot open folders as admin despite having installed nautilus-gksu06:55
* DanaG wonders if he should get 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 on 15.4".06:55
_sluimers_I cannot open folders as admin despite having installed nautilus-gksu, what could be wrong?06:55
swuboocritter-:  No one has to rely on it, but it can be very convenient.06:55
shadow420!nautilus-gksu06:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nautilus-gksu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:55
RAOFDanaG: 1920x1200?  Where can you get that on a 15" for a reasonable price?06:56
shadow420!nautilus06:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nautilus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:56
critter-i'm not into flipping cubes if everything i need fits in one window.06:56
ethana2oh wow06:56
shadow420critter- I agree with you06:56
critter-_sluimers_, you've tried   sudo gksu nautilus  and can't open folder in hardy ?  thats odd06:56
RAOFYou guys obviously don't open enough stuff :)06:56
_sluimers_critter- , I am reading right now about this in the bugs section06:57
critter-i've got tons of stuff open now.  i'm glad i'm not actively flipping the ones that are open and not in use :)06:57
DanaGsudo gksu?  Why?06:58
RAOFBecause you're crazy?06:58
DanaGRAOF: depends how you define reasonable.06:58
RAOFDanaG: True, I suppose :)06:58
DanaGIf I configure the 8510p and 8510w to the same specs (except FireGL instead of Radeon), aside from the monitor, they aren't too different.06:58
critter-yes i did not catch that06:58
peepsalotanyone running dual monitors with nvidia?06:59
RAOFpeepsalot: Yes.06:59
DanaGI don't remember what it came out to, though.  The 'p' has a 15% deal, the 'w' has a 24% -- or something like that.06:59
RAOF(Come on nouveau!)06:59
DanaGGive it a try.06:59
RAOFDanaG: Linky?  I'm lazy.06:59
peepsalotRAOF, the screen resolution app Detect displays button doesn't seem to do anything for me07:00
RAOFpeepsalot: Yes.  That's because nvidia are too cool to use X's dual-screen infrastructure.07:00
DanaGI have no idea of the quality of the WUXGA, though.07:00
RAOF(To be fair, X's dual screen infrastructure doesn't handle dual *cards*, which nvidia does)07:00
peepsalotRAOF, hmm, so what is used to configure them07:01
RAOFpeepsalot: You'll need to install & use the nvidia-settings package.  Also, nvidia doesn't properly populate the Xinerama info if you change monitors after you start X, so you want to have both monitors plugged in at boot.07:01
peepsalotargh, that's annoying07:02
RAOFYes.  Come on nouveau!07:02
DanaGRAOF: 8510p:  http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3355678.html     8510w:   http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html07:02
RAOFDanaG: Ta :)07:03
peepsalotRAOF, would it be possible to default it to single monitor at boot, and then have a simple script to siwtch to dual mode?07:03
DanaGThey have prebuilt and "cto" (custom to order, or something like that)07:03
peepsalotRAOF, how are those noveau drivers coming?07:04
DanaGRAOF: trick for getting Intel WiFi with FreeDOS: select "no wireless" and then go to the bottom and get an Intel card "a la carte"07:04
critter-can anyone give me any idea whether swapping nvidia videos cards for another model can significantly improve your standard desktop video rendering quality ?  i picked up a lower end card that had good visual ratings on newegg.  i have no idea if newer cards might be better or perhaps another brand07:05
DanaGHeh, blu-ray drive is 500 bucks.07:05
RAOFcritter-: If you're pushing the video over a DVI cable, chances are it's not going to make any difference at all.07:05
DanaGI wish hd-dvd had won -- that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.07:05
critter-thanks RAOF07:05
DanaGALso note the coupons.07:06
DanaGHeh, want two 4GB SODIMMS for 1200 bucks?07:07
DanaGI don't know if that's real value, or grossly inflated by HP.07:08
shadow420SODIMMS?07:10
DanaGAsking for definition, or the size?07:11
shadow420DanaG definition07:11
DanaGSmall-Outline Dual Inline Memory Module.  Notebook Memory.07:11
shadow420oh ok07:11
RAOFHeh.  I think 8GB ram is possibly overkill just yet.  Especially when 4GB of ram is comparitively cheap.07:12
shadow420DanaG you can probly get it cheaper at a computer store or Best Buy?07:12
RAOF$2.3K doesn't seem too bad for all that.  Although I wouldn't actually want that laptop; I want something 13".07:13
RAOFOr even smaller.07:13
DanaGHmm, they have some other stuff with notebook GPUs.07:14
shadow420heh the computer I want is a Desktop but it's based price is over 3K after customization it comes out to about 7K07:14
DanaGOh yeah, was that for the P or W?07:14
DanaGer07:15
DanaGstuff with weaker GPUs.07:15
RAOFDanaG: that was... the one with a 1920x1200 screen.07:15
DanaGw.  Workstation.07:15
peepsalothmm, context sensitive tab completion does not seem to be enabled by default07:16
DanaGWhat's your market segment you want?  Small and light, or "balanced mobility"?07:16
peepsalotyou guys know what controls that?07:16
RAOF"Balanced mobility" would probably describe me.  Something like a 13" MBP would rock my socks.07:17
bullgard4darthanubis: Thank you for your information.07:17
peepsalotfor ex: sudo aptitude install firef<tab><tab>07:17
RAOFpeepsalot: the bash-completion package, most likely.07:17
shadow420Dana light and balanced07:17
peepsalotah07:17
RAOFpeepsalot: Or you could install zsh, which is made of awesome.07:17
shadow420!find zsh07:17
ubotuFound: zsh, zsh-dbg, zsh-dev, zsh-doc, zsh-beta (and 3 others)07:17
shadow420!zsh07:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about zsh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:18
darthanubisbullgard1, got your wifi working?07:18
peepsalotRAOF, was bash-completion defaulted on in feisty and gutsy, or am I on crack?07:18
DanaGLook at the other categories.07:18
darthanubisyw07:18
owen1i loose my keyboard layout after restart. anyone?07:18
RAOFpeepsalot: It's been split out of the main bash package in Hardy, yes.07:18
darthanubisowen1, its a bug, search google next time, you'll see it07:19
owen1darthanubis: ok. thank you.07:19
darthanubis!google07:19
ubotugoogle is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux07:19
darthanubisnp07:19
DanaGRAOF: balanced-mobility category; smallest is 14".  http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/321957-321957-64295-321838-89315.html07:19
bullgard4darthanubis: My wifi is working in Gutsy. I did not try to get it working in Hardy yet.07:20
tanneranyone getting 3GB with eSATA?07:20
tanner3.0Gbps*07:20
darthanubisbullgard1, you'll be fine07:20
DanaGReal bottleneck is the hard drive.07:21
DanaGOn SATA.07:21
peepsalotGBps or Gbps?07:21
peepsalotbig difference07:21
tannerGbps07:21
tannerwhich is why i corrected myself.07:21
DanaGLenovo does high-res small screens.07:22
DanaGAnd they have keyboard lights, too.07:22
RAOFYeah.  Lenovo may be the manufacturers of my next laptop07:22
tannerthe driver is only allowing the chipset to get 1.5Gbps, where as expresscard allows up to 2Gbps07:22
tannerThinkpads are the best laptops :)07:22
peepsalottanner, still, that would be 375 MB/s which is more than any drive I've heard of can handle07:23
peepsalotlast i checked max was somewhere around 50-70MB/s07:23
DanaGMy Hitachi 7K200-200 does 60 to 70, tops.07:23
DanaGMy old Fujitsu 5400rpm did something more like 40-50 tops.07:24
peepsalottanner, IIRC i had a sata drive where you had to set a jumper to make it fullspeed or something like that07:25
peepsalotor a jumper on the mobo, or both, can't remember very well07:25
tannerits not the drive07:25
tannerits the driver.07:26
tanner>.> anyway. back to work07:26
* DanaG wonders what distro he should put in VirtualBox.07:28
DanaGHardy is my primary OS.  Nothing has ever taken the place of Ubuntu for me.07:28
peepsalotALL OF THEM!07:28
BHSPitMonkeyHas anyone noticed in hardy, that when most (all?) gtk windows are created, they momentarily look... like a TV out of sync?07:28
BHSPitMonkeyDanaG, the only use I have for VirtualBox is to run XP07:29
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: You're running a composite manager, aren't you? :)07:29
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, on the contrary.07:29
RAOFNo composite manager?  Not compiz, kwin, metacity, or xcompmgr?  Wow :)07:29
BHSPitMonkeyNothing past the built-in compositing capabilities of Gnome 2.22.07:29
peepsalotDanaG, i was messing around, trying a bunch of stuff the other day, linux mint, gOS, foresight, gobolinux07:29
RAOFRight.  So you *are* using a composite manager :)07:29
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, ah, well.  I said I was on Hardy.07:29
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: You may not have turned on the metacity composite manager :)07:30
DanaGAnother thing: I like orange.07:30
peepsalot*couldn't get all of them working correctly in vbox though07:30
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, I'm using defaults.07:30
BHSPitMonkeyI.e., "None" in the Desktop Effects tab.07:30
DanaGAnybody else been having VirtualBox irreversably grab keyboard?07:30
DanaGAnd host key not working.07:30
BHSPitMonkeyNope07:30
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: Oh, so you may _not_ be using a composite manager!  Strange.  You can check the /apps/metacity/general/composite_manager gconf key.07:30
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, I am getting the compositing effects in Gnome.07:31
RAOFAh, right.  So that's enabled then.07:31
BHSPitMonkeyBut those are a standard feature of 2.22.07:31
RAOFAnyway, this is an X problem, which is fixed in 1.507:31
DanaGbelenix?  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=belenix_07&num=107:31
RAOF(As well as making nouveau _even faster_)07:31
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, and when do we see 1.5 in hardy?  :)07:32
DanaGArgh, I wish you could send SMART commands over Firewire.07:32
DanaGMy external hard drive unloads its heads after 0.5 seconds idle.07:32
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: Once the universe has undergone a big crunch, and we reset everything :P.07:32
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: It should be in Intrepid, though.07:33
DanaGPlaying music from ntfs-3g results in a SSSHCLICK every 5 seconds.07:33
DanaGFrom ext3: a "crunch" (seek) noise every 1 or 2 seconds.07:33
BHSPitMonkeyRAOF, what a shame that hardy must be pushed out with such a glaring bug.07:33
DanaGImagine taking music and inserting a "crunk" noise.07:33
DanaGIs there any easy way to keep a drive active so it doesn't go idle?07:34
BHSPitMonkeySeems delay-worthy, given the LTS and all.07:34
ethana2http://xkcd.com/07:34
ethana2obligatory07:34
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: Except we'd need to delay like 3 months :)07:34
BHSPitMonkeyethana2, why was that obligatory07:35
ethana2the comment07:35
ethana2with the broken hard drive noise and music07:35
RAOFBHSPitMonkey: It's also more apparent in metacity than in Compiz, generally.07:35
BHSPitMonkeyethana2, ah.07:35
BHSPitMonkeyethana2, permalinks are always more relevant than homepage urls :P07:35
ethana2yup, I know....  sorry07:35
DanaGAnybody here using catalyst 8.4?07:36
DanaGhttp://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=911907:36
DanaGthat library mentioned.... find it and run 'strings' on it.07:36
DanaGAargh, that hard drive is going to drive me batty.07:37
DanaGcrunk07:38
DanaGcrunk07:38
DanaGcrunk07:38
DanaGcrunk07:38
DanaG... you get the point.07:38
ethana2I see that word on t-shirts07:38
ethana2what does it mean?07:38
mysticdarkhackmorning all07:38
RAOFYou know what would be frikkin awesome?  If "Dynamic Twinview" was, you know, _dynamic_.07:39
ethana2morning!07:39
DanaGbeats me.  I'm using it as a sound effect for "hard drive seeking"07:39
mysticdarkhackSo is the rc release yet?07:39
ethana2not that I can tell07:39
ethana2probably soon, if there is one07:39
mysticdarkhacklol07:39
ethana2haven't had a look at the release schedule for a while07:39
travellerhi, i'm using kubuntu hardy and under kmenu->system there is no harware manager any ideas?07:39
RAOFethana2: It was delayed.  Meant to be already out.07:40
mysticdarkhackdelay07:40
mysticdarkhackreally?07:40
ethana2RAOF: interesting07:40
RAOFYes.  It shouldn't delay the actual release, but there's a bit of a problem with the actual making of the CD :)07:41
mysticdarkhackwhat would be the prob?07:41
mysticdarkhackoh07:41
DanaGArgh, once vbox grabs keyboard, it never lets go.07:41
_rubenRC is scheduled for today, not sure if they'll make it07:41
DanaGI had to enable AllowDisableGrabs in xorg.conf to un**** my keyboard.07:41
mysticdarkhackwhat time today07:42
mysticdarkhacklol07:42
peepsalotDanaG, sure you're not pressing the wrong ungrab key?  IIRC it's only the Ctrl on the right that works07:43
afief_Is there no compiz settings manager package in Hardy?07:43
mysticdarkhacksa, what yall think of the theme on hardy?07:43
afief_mysticdarkhack, I like it:)07:43
DanaGYup, pressing right ctrl.07:43
BHSPitMonkeyHas anyone else had problems with openoffice.org packages colliding?07:43
peepsalotmysticdarkhack, it's nice.  first time(that i've seen) where they incorporated the animal into the artwork07:43
DanaGEven setting host key to scroll lock doesn't help.07:44
BHSPitMonkeyopenoffice won't install because openoffice-core and openoffice-common conflict07:44
mysticdarkhack<arief>yes by install compizconfig-settings.manager07:44
DanaGI don't like the particular brown in the current wallpaper.07:44
DanaGI'd like something more like something from the Gutsy wallpaper's pallete.07:44
LynoureDanaG: You are advanced enough to change it...07:44
DanaGBut just for the background.07:44
LynoureEven my mother is :)07:44
DanaGbetter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti07:44
DanaGUse the thing linked to above 'gdm theme'07:45
DanaGhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color-grey-translucent.svg07:45
DanaGThat'd be a nice secondary one to add.07:45
mysticdarkhack<afief_>compizconfig-settings-manager I meant07:45
penis there similar application like sizer in vista where you can have predefined window size to change the size quicky07:45
afief_mysticdarkhack, thanks:) that's the one I've been looking for07:45
BHSPitMonkeypen, your description is lacking07:46
penBHSPitMonkey: have you used a program called sizer in windows?07:46
mysticdarkhack<afief_>np07:46
penBHSPitMonkey: is there a app like that in ubuntu?07:46
RAOFDanaG: Wow.  That svg brings firefox to its knees.07:46
BHSPitMonkeyNo, or else I would have understood you.07:46
penBHSPitMonkey: ok, sizer is app which enables you to have predefined size for windows.07:47
BHSPitMonkeythat svg has a default rendering resolution set too high07:47
DanaGAll SVGs do, for me.07:47
DanaGAll ones on that page, at least.07:47
mysticdarkhackglad they finaly imput 3d on compiz-fusion07:47
mysticdarkhackwoohoo07:47
mysticdarkhacklol07:47
penBHSPitMonkey: so if you say want to change the size of the window to a precise degree you can accomplish that with sizer07:47
ethana2mystic: what?07:47
penBHSPitMonkey: it's very good for web developers07:47
BHSPitMonkeypen, oh07:47
penBHSPitMonkey: is there not?07:47
BHSPitMonkeypen, you can have the resolution display when resizing windows07:48
mysticdarkhack3d effect on the cube ethana207:48
penBHSPitMonkey: but I want a quick and precise resize07:48
RAOFpen: So, I believe that devilspie will do what you want.  And you can probably get Compiz's resize to do what you want, too.07:48
BHSPitMonkeypen, let me show you something, hold on07:48
penBHSPitMonkey: I hope there is such program exist in ubuntu07:48
BHSPitMonkeypen, http://www.nicholasroussos.com/general/browser-hacks/07:49
mysticdarkhacksurprisingly ubuntu getting a lot of attention all over07:49
travellerdoes anybody had problem with jockey-kde for registered drivers?07:49
BHSPitMonkeypen, you can drag those Resize links to your bookmarks toolbar.07:49
mysticdarkhackcompany thinking of switching to ubuntu server07:49
DanaGOh, and VirtualBox gets a GPF if I start it after suspend and resume.07:49
penBHSPitMonkey: well that only works for browsers07:50
penBHSPitMonkey: sometimes I want my other windows works too07:50
BHSPitMonkeypen, you said you used it for web development :)07:50
BHSPitMonkeypen, take RAOF's advice, then07:50
penBHSPitMonkey: yea you are right, but i also want that too :P07:50
BHSPitMonkeypen, and also enable the numbers I was talking about.07:51
penBHSPitMonkey: numbers? you means the links?07:51
penRAOF: k07:52
penRAOF: how can I do that? is there a documentation for that?07:52
BHSPitMonkeypen, no, the feature where it displays dimensions while resizing.07:52
penBHSPitMonkey: I already have that enabled :)07:52
BHSPitMonkeydamn you're picky07:52
penBHSPitMonkey: it's just a little bit slow and tedious with touchpad07:53
RAOFpen: I don't know of any; I've never tried to do what you describe.  There probably is some, and google will likely find it :)07:53
penBHSPitMonkey: :P07:53
BHSPitMonkeypen, if you're only working with a laptop touchpad, precision was never something you had in mind :)07:53
DanaGclick!07:53
BHSPitMonkeyor deserve07:53
DanaGargh, damn WD.07:53
DanaG0.5 seconds is TOO SHORT!07:53
penBHSPitMonkey: that's why I want to have that functionality07:53
penRAOF: k07:53
DanaGImagine if your engine turned off when you were stopped for 0.5 seconds.07:53
DanaGDid you try the SVG with custom colors?07:54
DanaGI like it way better than the fixed color.07:54
DanaGAnd I wish it'd stop abusing my hard drive.07:57
pascalFR!bug 20273007:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 202730 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "IR not working with AOpen MP965-DR" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20273007:58
travellerdoes anybody had problem with jockey-kde for registered drivers?08:00
Wobboi was happy to see the new boot/splash loader has the right resolution! But what about the aspect ratio, it such a shame to see the ubuntu logo stretched out over a widescreen08:00
pascalFR!bug 19777108:02
BHSPitMonkeyWobbo, sounds like it wasn't at the right res after all08:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 197771 in ubuntu "[hardy] numpad not working as expected after boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19777108:02
WobboBHSPitMonkey: it is, i checked08:03
DanaGGateway was lame and didn't give any widescreen VBE modes.08:04
DanaGAnd nvidia is lame and doesn't have accelerated framebuffer.08:04
LunksLooks like fileroller is asking me for a password when there's a damaged RAR file on a multiple archive08:07
LunksWhich is really weird08:08
swubooLunks:  Maybe it can't tell whether it's damaged or encrypted?08:08
LunksI just lost 2 hours of my life trying to find a password for something which doesn't have a password. :P08:08
Lunksswuboo: Shouldn't it? =P08:08
LunksIt's not really user-friendly08:09
* DanaG needs a good backup app.08:09
ttkeppiLunks, have you tried unrarit? -it's a proggie for windows, that tries tons of different passwords on rar files.08:10
* Lunks *needs* to backup08:10
WobboDanaG: Nvidia is the least lame of them all, ati is way lamer08:10
LynoureDanaG: You've been thinking about that really long. Which ones have you rejected already? :)08:10
swubooLunks:  It's probably better to err on the side of encrypted when it's confused; after all,  wasting some time looking for a nonexistant password is a better idea than simply declaring a file to be corrupt when it isn't.08:10
DanaGfaubackup takes too long and uses too much space each time -- but perhaps nothing can do any better on ext3.08:11
swubooDanaG:  Have you considered gmailing the contents of your hard drive to yourself file by file?08:11
Lunksttkeppi: I found out it was damaged using some crack tool, which complained08:11
DanaG200 gig hard drive, on gmail?  I don't think so.  :P08:11
DanaGI DO have a backup drive -- just not ideal software.08:11
swubooDanaG:  Well, really, just the package list, documents, themes, and config files.08:12
LynoureDanaG: did you try and reject dirvish too?08:12
DanaGI didn't see a "don't cross filesystem boundaries" option.08:12
LynoureDanaG: it does have that.08:12
DanaGHmm.  Still want a GUI, though.  :(08:13
Lunksctrl+w has some issues with me. :P08:13
Lunksswuboo: It was my fault, I skipped the par files as I think they're winrar-only files.08:14
tapashardy beta 1 alternate installer, commandline install, grub failed to install08:14
tapasinstaller givesno reason08:14
Fritzeldoes anyone know what the secret is to get realplayer working>?08:14
LynoureDanaG: hmm, if you want a GUI because what you want to back up varies day-to-day, all of the rsync based ones will end up being a hassle, I'm afraid :/08:14
tapasreason nowhere to be found08:14
tapaslilo installed fine08:14
DanaGActually, a non-gui but works-like-Apple's-thingy one would work for me.08:14
DanaGSimple but space-efficient.08:14
Lunksswuboo: So I was mistakenly led to believe the file had a password08:15
DanaGI just hope my external drive doesn't load-cycle itself to a premature death.08:15
ttkeppiDanaG: Acronis drive image? ..if i remember correct, you can set the amount of compression08:15
DanaGNot even a debconf for dirvish?08:15
tapasand the kernel likes to make a looong pause after detecting the ide devices08:15
tapashrmpf08:15
LynoureDanaG: But if I recall, you did not need an hourly backup?08:15
DanaGRight.08:15
LynoureDanaG: two (of if one really wants, more) config files, very flexible.08:16
DanaGI have a partition that I'll say to "use all free space if you need it" -- and taper off snapshots.08:16
DanaGI also want to exclude caches and /tmp and such.08:17
DanaG!dirvish08:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dirvish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi08:17
DanaGOoh, remember that transparent svg?08:18
DanaGTry it with atlantis2 cube, and the following color settings:08:18
LynoureDanaG: the exclusion is easy, making it autoexpire based on disk space and not time takes a shell script still, I think, but a simple one.08:18
swubooLunks:  True.  But think of it in the other direction--if it had been *encrypted* and Fileroller thought it was corrupted, it would be quite impossible to open, unless there's an option for forcing fileroller to use a password on it.08:18
DanaGvert gradient from #143D67 to #67361408:18
LynoureDanaG: it's hard to talk with you, you never addressing people you talk to. But I can still walk you though the set up process some day, if you wish08:19
DanaGLynoure: oh, I guess that'd help, using names.  Thanks.08:19
tanner|t40erm :-\08:19
DanaGAnd I'll move my media back to my NTFS partition on the drive, since having it on the ext3 one abuses the drive just as much as on the ntfs-3g.08:19
LynoureDanaG: it helps a lot when a person is on many channels, yes. Thanks.08:20
Lunksswuboo: Yeah, but that's kinda abstract, almost philosophical =P08:20
swubooLunks:  Schrodinger's archive?08:20
BHSPitMonkeyDoes anyone know anything about the conflict between openoffice.org-common and -core?08:22
Fritzelis there anyway I can attach realplayer codecs to a different player? realplayer is garbage08:22
Lunksswboo: modified mac os image08:24
DanaGAnybody try that svg with those colors?08:25
DanaGOh, and turn off "draw water"08:25
DanaGIt doesn't cylindrify the water.08:25
tarelerulzif you put a password on the bios would that make so you could not even use a cd to over write some one os08:26
tanner|t40omg, i cant get X server to work >.>08:26
spiderfiretarelerulz: you would have to reset the bios jumper to access the commputer08:27
swubootarelerulz:  If I understand you, yes.  You could put a password on the BIOS preventing someone from changing the device boot order, and if the CD drive was below the hard drive, it would be impossible to overwrite the OS via CD without at *least* two mintues' effort.08:27
SeveredCrossUh, physical access > all.08:28
swubooWell, okay, less than two minutes if they don't have to root around looking for the CMOS battery.  Security through poor cable management, hurrah!08:28
SeveredCrossIt's called you pull the HDD.08:28
SeveredCrossOr pull the CMOS battery.08:28
SeveredCrossEven better.08:28
swubooSeveredCross:  Note that I said impossible "without at least two minutes' effort."08:28
SeveredCrossYeah, yeah, yeah.08:28
tarelerulzWell, I sure you could get around it ,but for someone just sealing your computer it would be way work then they would want to do08:29
swubooSealing or stealing?08:29
tarelerulzhaha stealing08:30
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swubooNo, I don't think so.  If I'd gone to the trouble of stealing a computer, resetting the BIOS and throwing on a fresh copy of XP to cover my tracks wouldn't really be all that much effort.08:30
tarelerulzI was just telling someone about why linux is more security the windows. talking about user and passwords and such08:31
LucidFoxI have another problem after upgrading to Hardy: HAL doesn't start08:31
swubooWell, if you put a password on the BIOS and then epoxy your case shut, that would probably do it.08:31
ttkeppiswuboo: you could still be tracked by mac address08:31
swuboottkeppi:  Which can be changed pretty easily, even in Windows.08:32
LucidFoxand if I start it manually, with sudo /etc/init.d/hal start, then hald hangs and can't even be killed with -908:32
DanaGMy next laptop I get will have Intel AMT... just for the sake of experimentation.08:32
ttkeppiswuboo: didn't know that in windows that's possible08:32
DanaGAnd perhaps that LoJack thing?  Maybe?08:32
tarelerulzI was just telling them why I think windows get hacked so easy08:32
tarelerulzI would like to see the securty protection in action08:33
swuboottkeppi:  I seem to remember a console command for Windows that will do it---even if I'm wrong, an NIC isn't that much trouble to go to either.08:33
swubootarelrulz:  There's no such thing as security against physical access when it comes to PC's.08:34
DanaGAnybody try that svg?08:34
swubootarelrulz:  Let me rephrase that:  there's no such thing as security against attackers *with* physical access when it comes to PC's.08:35
swubooThere certainly is security against physical access itself---doors come to mind.08:35
tarelerulzII would like to see it over the net08:35
tarelerulzI know I more then like don't do it write08:36
swubootarelrulz:  No one's using a CD to overwrite your OS over the net, either.08:36
jblackswuboo: Hmmm. Not even encrypted root filesystems?08:36
swuboojblack:  That's really just a question of time, isn't it?08:36
DanaGATA passwords?08:36
swubooTime.08:36
DanaGDepends on the password, perhaps.08:36
DanaGEspecially if you make a password with international characters.08:36
DanaGOh, how about against smart-card security?  Can you use that in any way?08:37
swubooA password that would take infinitely long to crack would take infinitely long to type in, too.  Everything else is finite.  Like I said, time.08:37
jblackGiven enough time, people can dig through concrete with spoons.08:37
swuboojblack:  Yes.  Unattended concrete is not secure against spoons, it's true.08:37
tarelerulzI am just wondering you all run linux like I do . Is there job you can get working with just it ?08:37
DanaGDepends what the spoons are made of.08:38
swubooEspecially when the power of spoons doubles every eighteen months, and they only have to get one lucky scoop.08:38
DanaGThere is no...... never mind.08:38
jblackI have a point. Just because something -can- be done, doesn't mean it can be done in time to still have value.08:38
DanaGATA password will make it so people will steal the laptop for the laptop, but not get the data.08:39
ttkeppiI got a laptop for free, when my father in law told that if I can make it work, it's yours.. So I set cd to bootable device, and booted ubuntu install.. and it was done.. there was some hdd encryption proggie, that i ignored, since i didnt need the data..08:39
gregorytarelerulz: i wouldnt feel save to do onlinebanking with windows. with linux i can sleep better08:40
swuboojblack:  That's entirely true.08:40
ttkeppibut i do believe that there might be some bruteforce proggie that would have opened the hdd08:40
jblackGood security, whether physical, logical or otherwise, comes down to one thing, and one thing only. Slowing adverseries down enough that the effort greatly exceeds the value.08:40
ethana2jblack: like in the pwn to own thing08:41
swuboojblack:  Physical security can also come down to injuring or killing them, it probably bears mentioning.08:41
ethana2^_^08:41
jblackWho's "them" ?08:41
swuboo"adveraries".08:42
ethana2swuboo: nice, how many adveraries do you know?08:42
jblackWe may not have the same concept of who an adversary can be.08:42
swubooethana2:  None, it was jblack's word originally.08:42
swuboojblack:  Or what physical security might consist of.08:42
ethana2swuboo: ^_^08:43
swuboojblack:  A door lock slows someone down to the point that the effort exceeds the value; an armed guard increases the risk so that it exceeds the value.08:43
jblackAnyways, I disagree with you that 'there's no such thing as security against attackers *with* physical access'08:45
swubooI understand your logic in disagreeing.08:45
tarelerulzIt is the same concept as what  you said jblack.  making it hard enough that they would not want to do it08:46
jblackAnd in return, I'll agree that there's no such thing as absolute safety. ;)08:47
swuboojblack:  Splendid.  I do believe we are on the same page.08:47
swubootarelrulz:  But, of course, putting a password on the BIOS is not likely to achieve that threshold.08:48
tarelerulzwell, not for you08:48
ttkeppitarelerulz: it's not THAT hard to find some bios password proggie.. or even remove the hard drive from computer..08:49
tarelerulzwhat is one thing you think that is keep Linux back from becoming more popular with the masses ?08:49
swubootarelerulz:  Momemtum.08:50
ttkeppim$ is so popular, it's being sold with nearly every pc08:50
tarelerulzWhat do you mean swuboo?08:50
swuboottkeppi:  Password proggie seems unnecessary, unless the BIOS backs the password up onto the flash memory.  Do they do that, nowadays?08:51
gregorytarelerulz: killerappz?08:51
tarelerulzThat is what I think gregory08:51
tarelerulzThere is couple thing I wish I had for it08:51
swubootarelerulz:  The vast majority of people who use computers at all use Windows.  They don't want, or see a need, for change.08:51
tarelerulzvery true08:51
jblackYeah. Bios passwords are a joke. Hard drive passwords barely less so.08:51
ttkeppiswuboo: don't know that, but I doubt they don't08:52
tarelerulzI would love to see good im client with  alot of cool features08:52
swuboottkeppi:  No motherboard I've ever worked with has done that, but I'd be perfectly willing to believe the latest generation does that.08:52
tarelerulzLike I have all ways said text is not very cool.08:52
tarelerulzI have found about eveny thing else I wanted as far as killerappz.08:53
ttkeppiswuboo: but bios password protection doesn't protect the hdd, when it's removed, or does it?08:53
swuboottkeppi:  BIOS password protection doesn't protect the BIOS when the battery is removed.08:54
ttkeppiswuboo: lol08:54
ttkeppiit was more simple that i thought, again08:55
tarelerulzI don't knock stuff like Pidgin ,but if I could get a client for a big network that supported all it features.  Share files , voice , web  . I would be set . some network like yahoo where I could interact with the windows uses as same and they do with one other08:55
DanaGXMPP?08:55
DanaGWith pidgin.08:55
DanaGYou can run your own server.08:56
DanaGUnless that's not what you mean by "big network"08:56
DanaGAnyway, I'm going to bed now.08:56
Fritzelok I'm having major instability problems with nvidia-glx-new nvidia driver, would the nvidia-glx driver completely cripple me with a 7900 GS?08:56
tarelerulzWhat can xmpp have for features08:56
DanaGPerhaps wikipedia can help; I don't personally know.08:57
swubooFritzel:  Doubt it.  I've only got a 6800, and the plain old 'nvidia' driver handles everything compiz throws at it.08:57
DanaGI've also heard that "kopete" can do some video and voice.08:57
Fritzelok that's all I wanted to know thank you swuboo08:57
tarelerulzguess I just have not found the right network08:58
tarelerulzI have looked a lot08:58
orvokkiswuboo: Might be slower though.08:58
orvokkiBut you shouldn't notice it outside games.08:58
BHSPitMonkeytarelerulz, I think your best bet is Skype, if I understand your situation correctly08:58
swubooorvokki:  Indeed.  And I don't think there are that many games he's likely to be playing in Ubuntu that require the full fury of a 7900.08:59
tarelerulzI understood skype to be from one person to one person08:59
orvokkiswuboo: Heh, how about Windows games through Wine? :)08:59
DanaGSkype + PulseAudio == pain.08:59
DanaGWine == stuck keys.09:00
DanaGAnd no surround.09:00
orvokkiPulseAudio == pain09:00
swubooorvokki:  True, true.  Well, only one way for him to find out, I guess.09:00
tarelerulzThat is great if you know some one who has it  and just want to talk to them.09:00
DanaGPulseAudio is cool if you have multiple devices and plan to use them at the same time.09:00
orvokkiDanaG: So 99/100 desktop users probably would be happier without it.09:00
DanaGIt just needs a better UI.09:00
swubooorvokki:  Last Windows game I played heavily through wine was WoW---it crashed every time someone within about five hundred yards of my character cast Mind Flay.  I was a shadow priest.09:00
DanaGTrue, it makes no sense for most people, I think.09:00
orvokkiswuboo: How long ago was this?09:01
swubooorvokki:  Long enough ago that I played WoW.09:01
DanaGMonths, or years?09:01
orvokkiDanaG: Imo makes no sense for it to have been integrated to ubuntu-desktop. Then again, I said the same thing before Hardy about Compiz.09:01
DanaGand did you run it with -opengl?09:01
swubooA few of each, DanaG.09:01
swubooYes.09:01
DanaGIt may work better withouit.09:01
DanaGwithout.09:01
orvokkiswuboo: Months is a huge gap in Wine development. Years is something inconceivable.09:02
DanaGIt did on my nvidia when I tried it (with a friend's server emulator)09:02
swubooSince I would sooner chew on rusty spoons and then gnaw my own hands off than play WoW again, it's largely a moot point.09:02
orvokki;>09:02
DanaGWine + Pulse == nope, doesn't work.09:03
orvokkiYet anyway.09:03
DanaGHow can you try to (subliminally) get other people you know to stop spending so much time with WoW?09:03
orvokkiSome Wine devs have thought it might be useful to get to work.09:03
swubooDanaG:  Wine in OSS output + padsp + Pulse == Works.  At least for me.09:03
orvokkiswuboo: ALSA has been the recommended audio output in Wine since I think 0.9.50.09:03
swubooorvokki:  Sure, but that doesn't work with Pulse.09:04
DanaGI seem to remember wine OSS not working with padsp very well, either.09:04
swubooorvokki:  If you're playing a fullscreen game, it probably doesn't matter---just kill pulse and use ALSA in Wine.09:04
orvokkiAlso Wine OSS development has mostly halted.09:04
orvokkiHmm. Does that work for all programs, btw?09:05
DanaGBut I WANT to run it through pulse, if possible.09:05
orvokkiThat is, that I'd kill PulseAudio and run programs through ALSA:09:05
DanaGOh, and it doesn't do surround even on my audigy's bare hardware device.09:05
orvokkis/:/./09:05
orvokkiDanaG: Also at least on my Audigy 2 PulseAudio can do 16bit sound whereas ALSA can do 24bit.09:05
swubooorvokki:  Sure, why not?  You don't HAVE to use Pulse.09:05
DanaGOn my Audigy2, I can't get 24-bit.09:06
orvokkiswuboo: I wasn't sure how exactly it worked.09:06
DanaGAt least, not on surround51.09:06
orvokkiCan I prevent it from starting at all?09:06
swubooorvokki:  If you kill Pulse and go back to ALSA, it'll work like it did in Gutsy and earlier, really.09:06
swubooorvokki:  You could uninstall the package, I guess.09:06
orvokkiHmm.09:06
LunksI believe going back to Alsa is not entirely possible, from what I've seen here. :P09:06
LunksBut you can probably ignore me. ;)09:07
swubooLunks:  I doubt it's impossible; it might take some tweaks to asound.conf and a few switch up libraries, but I think everything you need is still in the official repositories.09:07
orvokkiswuboo: I'd prefer to just disable the automatic startup, that way I can keep ubuntu-desktop meta package.09:07
tarelerulzany of you try empathy with voice chat with gtalk ?09:07
swubooorvokki:  Mm, valid.09:08
DanaGAudigy2 24-bit?  Not the cardbus one.09:08
DanaGIt refuses type S24_LE and FLOAT (32) _LE09:09
swubooStill, I'm not unhappy with Pulseaudio.09:09
DanaGI like Pulse.09:09
orvokkiDanaG: Well, it's not Audigy 2 plain, I just don't remember the ending.09:09
swubooNow that I've spent hours reading wikis and forums to figure out how to get it to support legacy programs like oolite.09:09
DanaG"ZS"09:09
hrlranyone have problems with the window title bar getting corrupted in compiz?09:09
orvokkiMight have been.09:09
* DanaG thinks "CA0109-1AG" is likely not a real Audigy2.09:10
DanaGReal Audigy2 is CA10K-somethin.09:10
DanaGg.09:10
swubooSomewhere, I've got an Audigy.  Just a plain old Audigy.  No 2, no endings.  Came with Deus Ex!09:10
DanaGIf I had a huge amount of money and a time machine, I'd do a couple of things:09:10
DanaGPay 3dfx not to sell out to nvidia;09:10
swubooIn my mind, this usually gets rearranged to, "My copy of Deus Ex came with a sound card or something."09:10
DanaGPay Aureal not to sell out to Creative.09:11
orvokkiI've still got Soundblaster AWE32 somewhere. I remember it had awesome support in Linux. :)09:11
DanaGNowadays, Creative is scum, in my opinion.09:11
orvokkiDanaG: Why not buy both yourself?09:11
DanaGI'm an engineer, not a businessman.09:11
DanaGCreative: Deliberately removing existing, ADVERTI{Z,S}ED features from drivers, to make people buy new hardware.09:12
DanaGAnd then lying about it.09:12
ethana2They wouldn't be able to do that09:12
ethana2with all the source out in the open09:12
ethana2what they did is /exactly/ why we need the gpl09:12
DanaGThat's another thing I'd do: make sure GPL was around then.09:13
swubooThere are better things to do with money and time machines.  For example, bribing famous historic figures to grow ridiculous mustaches, hopefully affecting the history of facial hair fashions.  Afterwards, I'd come back to the present and just spend the rest of my life happily snickering at everyone.09:13
orvokkiIf it's not, make it.09:13
DanaGThen figure out a way to let Aureal open-source stuff -- if they were going to die anyway, that'd be better.09:13
ethana2buy all the IP, take the full hit09:14
DanaGYeah.  Then bring it with me to present times.09:14
ethana2Yarr, it bugs me how I can't tell what memory firefox is using for what09:14
ethana2it's not OS cache, but it's application cache.. I wish I could see what was used for code, and what was used for caching web pages and the like....09:15
DanaGAnyway, bedtime now for real.09:15
swubooNight.09:15
ethana2DanaG: 'night09:15
DanaGThu Apr 17 01:15:56 PDT 200809:15
ethana2One week 'till Hardy09:16
ethana2I hope the PS3 port folks have their issues figured out by then09:16
ethana2if the ps3 release came at the same time as the ppc and x86 releases, that would rock09:16
ethana2I have a friend whose whole family uses macs09:17
ethana2the PS3 is how Ubuntu will get into their house first.09:17
swubooethana2:  I set one of my technophobic housemates up with Ubuntu a few years ago; worked perfectly for him.  One of his other nerd friends came over, decided Linux was too advanced for him, and put 98SE back.  I was quite aggravated.09:18
ethana2Windows and OSX won't touch Ubuntu on the PS3.09:18
ethana2ever.09:18
topyliswuboo: perhaps someone should ask *him* too :)09:18
swubootopyli:  Heh, I live with the man, it's not like I snuck into his room and replaced his OS.09:19
swubootopyli:  The other guy, though; "Okay, I replaced the broken printer.  While I was in there, I put Windows back.  Linux is too complicated for you."09:20
ttkeppitopyli: imho ubuntu is much more easy to learn at basic level to use than windblows products..09:20
topyliswuboo: i know, it's just the way you said the above. you think it "worked perfectly for him", while this friend decided it's "too advanced for him" :)09:20
swubootopyli:  Ah, makes sense.  No, I based my assessment on his stated estimations.09:21
hrlranyone have problems with the window title bar getting corrupted in compiz?  If so, there's now an easy workaround.  w00t!09:21
ethana2I'm going to start my grandma on Ubuntu09:21
ethana2She avoids computers like the plague now09:22
topylittkeppi: i know. i got a laptop from work around the time dapper was in beta and installed. i didn't need the machine so i gave it to my wife09:22
ethana2with windows, i don't blame her at all09:22
topylittkeppi: i said "unfortunately no windows on this machine". she looked around the menus and said ok, this is fine09:22
topylittkeppi: still happy with it09:22
ethana2I moved my whole family from windows to Ubuntu Hardy09:22
ethana23 machines, two seats09:23
swubootopyli:  The precise sequence of events was, my housemate's 98 install gets fubared.  He doesn't have a Windows CD anymore.  I offer to replace it with Ubuntu, he agrees.  I set up all his odd legacy apps in wine, everything works.  He proclaims the results satisfactory.09:23
ttkeppiso far I have converted 4 lost souls to ubuntu.. no complains yet. and two more lost souls coming when hardy's final is out09:23
ethana2they got used to it09:23
topylithe problem when dapper was still in beta was she asked me why there are so many updates each morning09:23
topyliso i told him it would get better once the system is actually released09:23
topyli"you gave me a system that doesn't even exist?"09:23
ethana2Grassroots FTW09:23
topyliswuboo: iirc win98se lasts about six months without reinstalling. you'll but ubuntu back then :)09:24
swubootopyli:  No... that was about a year and a half ago.  While that 98SE install crufts, and crufts, and crufts.09:25
topylioh the reinstall is way overdue09:25
swubootopyli:  Until and unless it actually just plain gives out---not gonna happen.09:26
topylisoon he'll be like "i need a new machine, this is slow" all over again09:26
swubootopyli:  No, no I don't think so.09:26
swubootopyli:  His last 98SE install lasted him around four years.  And he didn't say, "this is slow, I need a new one."  He said, "The screen stays black and it beeps like crazy."09:27
topyliheh. a good time to do something09:28
swubooThat's what I figured.09:28
ttkeppiswuboo: four years win98se working??? that has got to be somekind of a record09:28
swuboottkeppi:  Working is a relative term.09:28
ttkeppionce a year is a good phase to reinstall, even winxp09:29
swuboottkeppi:  My first year of university, my XP box got to an uptime of 188 days.09:29
swuboottkeppi:  Achieved, of course, at the cost of never, ever patching anything for any reason.09:30
ttkeppiswuboo: that is quite awesome record.. I think I've had something around 2weeks09:30
orvokkiswuboo: Hmm, sounds like a nice trojan experiment.09:30
topylivista helps a lot. i have two windows users waiting for the hardy release. the one with vista is completely fed up and keeps asking "is your new linux thing out yet?" while the one with win2k is just "interested in trying"09:30
orvokkiBtw, my bro had his Windows 2000 running for several years non-stop.09:31
topylimeh, win2k works great09:31
ttkeppitopyli: indeed, vista is a gods sent for lost souls09:31
swubootopyli:  I didn't realize how bad Vista was until one of my friends needed to print out his W2.09:31
swubooHe didn't have a printer, so he wanted to email it to me---Vista wouldn't let him save it.09:31
topyliheh09:32
swubooPoint blank refused:  "This PDF contains sensitive or copyrighted material, and will not be saved to the hard drive."09:32
ethana2psshh, copyright09:32
ethana2I honor it but I despise and avoid it09:32
swubooSo he had to give me his SSN, DOB, and Mother's Maiden Name.  Security so good, it's counterproductive.09:32
ethana2Hahaha this is awesome09:33
ethana2all the Vista users waiting anxiously for the final release of Hardy09:33
swubooorvokki:  As for trojan experiments, back in the old days when KaZaA and Morpheus were de rigeur, I used to play a game where I'd try to download and run as many trojans as I could in twenty minutes.09:34
swubooorvokki:  The secret was to use popular but contradictory search criteria:  "Warcraft 3 Nude!"  "Britney Spears No-CD Crack!"09:34
ttkeppiwell m$ has kind of admitted that vista has been fubar just like winme, since the new win7 could be out next year..09:34
zappyhello09:37
ethana2hello, zappy09:37
zappywhen ubuntu will be released?09:37
_rubenubuntu has been released years ago09:38
zappyuhm?09:38
zappyno...the new release...8.0409:38
ttkeppi24th09:39
zappyon this month?09:39
ttkeppiyes.. hence the name, 8.0409:39
zappywow...ok...can u suggest me some valid site where can i see some screenshots?09:40
ttkeppiwww.ubuntu.com09:40
zappyok let's check it out09:41
zappyty a lots09:41
ttkeppinp09:41
ttkeppi...how much trouble can it be to use google?09:44
topylihttp://i27.tinypic.com/51pzib.png09:44
topylioh he's gone09:44
topyliwas going to scare him with mine09:44
topyli"but it has no user interface at all!"09:45
ethana2topyli: lol09:45
ttkeppitopyli: what on earth happened there :D09:45
swubootopyli:  Hey, there's a heron in that picture!09:45
ethana2it moved09:45
topylittkeppi: i've removed the unnecessary stuff over the years :)09:46
ethana2last time it was over towards the right09:46
swubootopyli:  I didn't even really look at the wallpaper before I put my old one back.  I assumed it was some sort of flaming vase or something.09:46
ttkeppitopyli: I see :)09:46
topyliethana2: now that you mention it, it might indeed have moved a bit towards the center09:47
ethana2and the circles coming out from it09:47
ethana2kinda cool, I guess09:47
swubooethana2:  It doesn't really seem particularly *hardy*, though.  More like disintegrating.09:48
topylihardiness is in the inside! :)09:48
Fritzelwhat is the name of gnome's window decorater09:49
swubooFritzel:  Metacity?09:49
topyliFritzel: metacity. ubuntu replaces it with compiz when your machine can run it09:49
Fritzelyes compiz is refusing to show decorations09:49
ethana2the compiz /decorator/ is emerald, is it not?09:49
topyliwell it's a bit more than a decorator though :)09:49
Fritzelyes I'm trying to get away from emerald if I can09:49
ethana2I just use the regular decorator with compiz09:50
ethana2...I think09:50
topyliethana2: sometimes. on ubuntu it's gtk-window-decorator by default, which reuses metacity decorations09:50
ethana2topyli: that's probably it, yeah09:50
Fritzelahh yep metacity is what I was looking for, this system is soo screwed up09:50
topyliemerald is rather pointless IMO09:50
swubooFritzel:  Compiz won't work with Metacity; but if you don't want emerald, it will work with gtk-window-decorator.09:51
Fritzelor so it says09:51
Fritzelgtk-window-decorator started, I still don't have decorations09:51
swubooFritzel:  Ah.  That sounds familiar.09:51
Fritzelwell if emerald is my only option, I suppose I can go that way09:52
swubooFritzel:  Hold on a sec.09:52
Fritzelalright09:52
swubooYou're using an nvidia card, right?09:52
ethana2sometimes i just pull a killall on emerald...09:52
swuboo7900GS, isn't it?09:52
Fritzeloh so you know I'm running the 96.xx driver (I'm trying to battle stability problems09:53
Fritzelyes09:53
Fritzelcorrect09:53
swubooTry adding, if you haven't already, "Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"" to the Screen section of xorg.conf09:53
Fritzelalright09:53
swubooThen restart X.  If that doesn't fix it, then go for emerald.09:53
Fritzeleverything except the first and last quote correct?09:53
swubooYes.  The format will become clear inside the file; they're all formatted in a similar way.09:54
Fritzel-nod- I'm familiar with it, I just want to be certain, bad habit of mine, always confirming09:54
Fritzelalright brb09:54
swubooYup.  Good luck.09:54
Fritzelswuboo: ok yeah that did it, sorry for the newbie question I appreciate the help though ^^09:56
Fritzelnow, hopefully, X is stable now that I'm on this driver09:56
swubooFritzel:  I'm pretty much a newbie too.  I can usually only be of much help with problems I've had myself.09:56
swuboo...that being one of them.09:56
Fritzel-nod- well it's appreciated09:56
swubooGlad to have been of help.09:57
ttkeppiany idea, what would work with via p4m900 integrated? that's via chrome9 ...openchrome drivers didn't do the trick.. and no restricted drivers seem to be available09:57
FritzelI really really hope nvidia fixes that smp bug ><09:58
mysticdarkhackhey all again09:58
mysticdarkhackIs there a way to resize to loading slash screen during bootup?09:59
Fritzelok one more quick question and I'm gone,  for some reason realplayer does not have images on it's buttons10:00
topylimysticdarkhack: you enabled the framebuffer and the usplash is tiny? i'm in the same boat10:01
ttkeppimysticdarkhack: StartUp-Manager10:01
Fritzeldoes anyone have any clue what that's about?10:01
swubooFritzel:  I do not, I'm afraid.10:01
topylireal player is still around?10:01
mysticdarkhack<topyli>how if I may ask?10:02
topylimysticdarkhack: no idea10:02
topylijust sayin' :)10:02
mysticdarkhack<ttkeppi>where is startup-manager and it isn't install?10:04
swuboomysticdarkhack:  Synaptic, and it's not installed by default.10:04
mysticdarkhack<ttkeppi>i see10:05
mysticdarkhack<ttkeppi>are you sure that the startup-manager will solve the big bootup load screen?10:06
ttkeppimysticdarkhack: you can change the boot image and the splash screen with it.. also the resolution of the image10:06
ttkeppimysticdarkhack: don't know if it will solve it, but it's a good try10:06
mysticdarkhack<ttkeppi>tnanks and I'll give it a try10:11
ttkeppihappy to help10:11
topylihmm startup-manager never asked for a password. i don't think it actually did any changes10:14
topyliif it did, i'm worried :)10:15
ttkeppiit asked from me.. it might be that your sudo login hasn't been expired, and that was the reason it didnt ask for pw10:15
topylittkeppi: oh of course, since i just used synaptic a few seconds before that :)10:16
topyliusplash.conf does have my preferred resolution now. thanks for the tip :)10:16
ttkeppihappy to help :)10:17
vistakillerjockey tool in kubuntu is still break10:18
darxhi when I try to install 'kjscmd' under kubuntu+1, quite a few packages are being marked for removal. can someone confirm this pleaser10:40
darxkubuntu hardy that is10:40
darx:P10:40
darxanybody home?10:40
jblack darx: Did you look at it under aptitude?10:41
darxyup10:41
jblackIt has no conflicts.10:41
darxwhat should i do to check that?10:42
jblackstart up aptitude, find kjscmd, and press d10:43
jblackIt's possible that kjscmd depends upon a version of a library that is older or newer than what other software you have needs, leaving you with an either/or type situation10:45
darxhmm10:45
darxI can't find it under aptitude, there are too many.10:49
darxis there a command line version of the same check?10:49
Ngit may just be that the archive is inconsistent at the moment because something else hasn't built yet10:49
Flanneldarx: What sort of packages are being removed?10:50
darxhttp://pastebin.com/d81d527d10:51
darxthats via aptitude. but when I try via the add-remove utility, many more are being marked for removal. I'm on kubuntu kde 3.5.910:52
ttkeppiif i download hardy beta now, will it have the bugfixes in it that has come out in the last month or so?10:53
Flanneldarx: That package is a KDE4 package, so its going to depend on KDE4 libs, which I believe is what is causing your issues10:54
Lamegottkeppi, yes10:54
darxit also says that kde4libs-bin is broken10:54
darxis it safe to allow aptitude to continue?10:54
ttkeppiLamego: splendid, thnx10:54
darxFlanne: ^^10:54
Flanneldarx: Er, maybe not.  But, thats what it appears to be doing.  I'd ask in #kubuntu(-kde4?), but as for command line 'checking', apt-cache policy [package] will show candidates (different versions), and apt-cache show [package] and apt-cache showpkg [package]10:55
GunbladeIVanyone?10:56
Lamego!anyone10:56
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?10:56
Flanneldarx: I'd ask the kubuntu people.  Assuming youve gotten this way through normal repository usage, this is somewhat bug-related, and they may know about it (and have a fix) or at least, need to know about it.  I'm not familiar enough with the KDE 3 vs 4 thing right now to be able to say for sure what your best course of action is.10:56
GunbladeIVi just upgrade my kernel to 2.6.24-16-generic.. and just config my b43.. so far it can connect to AP, but the problem is.. i have rubbish interface such as "wmaster0" and my wlan0 rate == 1MB10:57
GunbladeIVhow can i solve this quest?10:57
savvasGunbladeIV: by adding some useful info about your wireless card10:58
savvasunless you're talking about the b43 driver?10:59
GunbladeIVsavvas: such as? i'm using bcm4318(b43) driver. and so far no problem in connecting with WEP AP .. but i got weird interface when i do "ifconfig" ---> wmaster0 appear in the middle of nowhere10:59
GunbladeIVsavvas: yup10:59
GunbladeIVsavvas: i'm talking about b43 driver11:01
savvasGunbladeIV: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko11:01
GunbladeIV-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139696 2008-04-11 00:52 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko11:02
savvashave you tried reporting a bug?11:02
GunbladeIVnope11:02
GunbladeIVlet me paste the output for iwconfig and ifconfig11:03
GunbladeIVcan i?11:03
savvassure, www.pastebin.ca :)11:03
GunbladeIVsavvas: now i see..11:03
GunbladeIVsavvas: somehow. iwconfig did tell me that my rate is 48MB.. but nm-applet tell 1MB11:04
GunbladeIVso i think the problem is with nm-applet11:04
GunbladeIVdont bother about that issue.. now proceed to wmaster0 interface11:04
wesmoanyone know wht time hardy rc hits the servers???11:05
savvaswesmo: yeah, tomorrow from 00-24h :P11:05
GunbladeIVsavvas: http://pastebin.com/m6a2daab111:06
wesmoit says on the hardy release sched its meant to be the start of the day UTC time11:06
savvasGunbladeIV: does it make any problems if it has wmaster0?11:08
GunbladeIVsavvas: nope. just wonder if it can be remove11:08
savvasGunbladeIV: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69780711:09
swuboowesmo:  I think that's the cutoff for getting new patches into... nevermind.11:10
savvasand http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Knownissues11:10
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GunbladeIVsavvas: thanks.. that should answer my question11:12
GunbladeIVhuhu..11:12
savvasGunbladeIV: hopefully the answer is no :)11:12
GunbladeIVyup11:12
GunbladeIVhaha11:12
GunbladeIVthey will work that matters soon.. hide wmaster0 from users11:13
GunbladeIVhehe11:13
GunbladeIVthanks dude.. seem like i can change to fully configured bcm43xx at anytime ...11:13
Keithamusikonia, you there?11:14
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ccookeout of interest... did the plans for a new theme in hardy peter out, or are we still expecting some changes?11:16
swubooccooke:  There is a new theme.11:16
ccookeswuboo: really? when will we see it?11:17
Keithamusccooke, murrine is the new theme. but i think they're still trying for a new one.11:17
Keithamusyou can see it in beta11:17
swubooccooke:  It's, um... Ubuntu.  Frankly, it didn't seem all that different to me.11:17
Keithamusor, aptitude install murrine-human11:17
wilberthardware info doesn't excist anymore in hardy?11:17
wilbertthe program hardware info isn't there anymore11:18
Keithamuswilbert, no, not for me either.11:18
ccookeah11:19
ccookethere were supposed to be plans for a load of changes.11:19
ccookeThis appears to be... well... new wallpaper and a new login background. Both of which are nice, mind. Just dissapointing.11:19
Keithamusyeah ccooke, but the ubuntu-art team have no direction and eventually made the excuse that it takes longer than 6 months to make a solid theme for an LTS distro11:19
swubooccooke:  I wouldn't know.  Bear in mind that there's a new version of GNOME, which implies a number of differences by itself.11:19
Keithamusso they just rejigged Murrine a little bit for this one.11:20
wilbertKeithamus: do u or do u not have the program hardware info11:20
Keithamuswilbert, i don't11:20
swuboowilbert:  He does not.11:20
wilbertaah, then we dont have it :)  lol11:20
Keithamusyeah :D11:20
ccookeswuboo: yes, but we get that 'for free'11:21
wilbertpitty doh11:21
ccookeswuboo: I mean... time passes, new Gnome. :-)11:21
Keithamusccooke, afaik ibex is going to have a new theme, which they'll have a year to make ready for LTS.11:22
swubooccooke:  One could say the same things about new versions of the Human theme.11:22
swubooIt's like clockwork:  Every six months, a slightly new shade of burnt umber.11:22
Keithamuslol11:22
ccookeI guess... The problem is that Ubuntu is getting into the habit of promising wonderful things and then delivering merely impressive stuff :-)11:22
Keithamusbe thankful ubuntu has the best wallpaper of all operating systems!11:22
wilbertblack11:23
ccookeswuboo: yeah. but *this* time, they promised something different... and failed to deliver.11:23
swubooKeithamus:  Yes, no other OS has a wallpaper that says, "The distribution's mascot is on fire!  Quick, put it out!" quite like Hardy's.11:23
KeithamusLOL11:23
wilberti have a lovely she in my background11:24
Keithamusthere is one sans the bird.11:24
ccooke(like the whole "3d desktop!" thing was a year late (and through no fault of Ubuntu - what with the compiz/beryl merger and the general instability...)11:24
swubooccooke:  I suppose that's true; I never really pay attention to anything but the packages, myself.  I like to turn my GUI slate grey with blues and whites.11:24
savvasi hope they fix my resolution problem for the login screen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/15093811:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 150938 in human-theme "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:25
Keithamusits a bit annoying that kde4 comes out, with a beautiful new theme, and GNOME/Ubuntu say "the smaller updates is where it counts"11:25
wilbertccooke, i come from the dark side of the os, named windows, i find ubuntu still 1000% in any way then win11:25
wilberti dont even have windows anymore11:27
swubooI do.  Wine just doesn't cut it sometimes.11:27
wilberti cant imagine where i need windows for11:28
ccookewilbert: yeah, I'm not exactly complaining - just explaining why I'm dissapointed11:28
ccooke(and dissapointment is inevitable when Thing1 is promised, but Thing0.5 is delivered :-11:28
ccooke)11:28
swubooNeed it?  Nothing; I can't think of a single thing other than gaming that isn't far and away better in Ubuntu.11:28
wilberthear hear11:28
Keithamusphotoshop11:29
wilbertwe have gimp11:29
Keithamusno11:29
CianticAny fixes to the scrolling bug in Ubuntu+1? described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=708928&page=211:29
Keithamussorry, doesn't cut it nearly as close.11:29
nonewmsgsKeithamus: google just gave wine several million dollars to WINE have photosho work under it11:29
swubooKeithamus: Photoshop just isn't something that matters to me.11:29
wilbertfor me it does11:29
Cianticthe scrolling bug renders ubuntu+1 useless to me for now11:29
wilbertchow time here guy's11:30
Keithamusnonewmsgs, i know, and cs2 works ok through it.11:30
Keithamusbut illustrator, indesign, flash, etc, work like crap.11:30
ccookehmm11:30
Keithamusscribus, inkscape are all good, but do not compare unfortunatley11:30
swubooKeithamus:  It's hard to argue with the LaTeX support, though.11:31
ccookeCome to think of it, should I submit a bug report of that? I mean, there is certainly *precedent* for submitting 'social' bug reports11:31
Keithamusfrom a programmers perspective.11:31
jblackCiantic: Looks like that bug has a well described fix?11:31
Cianticjblack, indeed, but it is so serious it should appear to ubuntu repository itself11:31
swubooKeithamus:  Still, other than games, nothing that I personally require or want works better in Windows.11:33
Keithamusyeah11:33
Keithamusfor the average user ubuntu > windows.11:33
Keithamusfor designers/gamers unfortunatley its a mixed bag11:34
jblackCiantic: Well, I can't quite see things your way.... I suppose though that you can submit a patch to the package which will resolve the problem.11:34
swubooKeithamus:  Works wonderfully for academic work in the humanities; I can't even imagine what a nightmare trying to maintain a texlive install in Windows would be like.11:35
nonewmsgsi converted my designer and gamer friend and he love ubuntu and just dual boots11:35
Cianticjblack, you don't see it? This can't be "not seen" it freaking almost kills the whole browser when more than a few checkboxes appear on screen11:35
Keithamusdoes anyone have any luck with realtek gigabit ethernet hardwares?11:36
swubooKeithamus:  Um... I think my onboard NIC might be realtek, if that helps you.11:36
CianticIt can be demonstrated easily with resizing browsers o that they disappear, and soon as they appear again the browser is in hal11:36
jblackNo, I can't, for two reasons. Firstly, it doesn't affect me. Secondly, there's an easy workaround.11:36
Ciantic*halt11:36
Keithamusdoes it work swuboo?11:36
swubooKeithamus:  If you can read this sentence, I would imagine so.11:36
Cianticjblack, do you even have a page where is checkboxes enough to try scrolling?11:36
jblackhow many?11:37
Cianticabout one per row11:37
Cianticlet me make a example html page11:37
swubooKeithamus:  Nope, checking the mobo specs, only the sound is Realtek, I'm afraid.  Sorry.11:38
jblackLet me get this right....11:38
Keithamusi am having no end of problems with a realtek R8111C lan chipset11:38
Keithamushonestly, wireless would work better!11:38
jblackA bug that affects some web pages, on some browsers, on some computers... that's a life and death situation.11:38
swubooClantic, jblack:  I've found that scrolling up in gnome-system-monitor is kind of fubared for me.11:38
jblackAs contrasted to.... Say the fact that any Xen system that upgrades from gutsy to hardy is going to find itself without networking.11:39
Cianticjblack, this bug is specific enough, those people commenting on thread are *offtopic*11:39
swubooClantic:  If you give me a webpage to load that demonstrates your bug, I'll tell you how it looks.11:39
jblackIf I'm wrong about the importance of it, then I encourage you to submit a patch against the package. =)11:40
Cianticyes yes, I'm working on the demonstration page11:40
swubooCiantic:  If the problem is pervasive enough that you're this worried about it, surely you can name an existing page offhand?11:40
* jblack thinks its telling that you have to make a demostration page, rather than point at a real world example11:41
Cianticswuboo, Gmail inbox view11:41
Cianticit is unusable when tried to scroll11:41
nonewmsgsthat display manager is horrible....it doesnt have my moniter and although i can change the resolution the horizontal/vertical refresh rates are atrocious.  is there any way to change them manually there or do i have to use xorg.conf11:41
swubooCiantic:  Gmail displays completely normally for me.11:41
savvasthey fixed the "cracked" titlebar issue :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/99508/comments/11411:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]11:41
swubooI've found so far that all my problems (and they were pretty severe) with FF3b5 in Hardy were solved by ditching ~/.mozilla11:43
jblack His fix is adding a single line to xorg.conf, for xaa.11:45
jblackwhich implies to me that it's compiz related.11:45
jblackCiantic: Where's that page you promised?11:46
nonewmsgsalso my nvidia ethernet wired conection seems offline11:46
Cianticjblack, I'm trying to reproduce it, naive list of checkboxes didn't do, but it is checkbox related for sure11:47
jblackuh-huh11:47
Cianticsince resizing gmail window the way that checkboxes disappear works normally11:47
jblackWait...11:48
jblackSo... a specific desktop setup, a specific browser, and a specific page?11:49
jblackSo you have a problem with .000005% of the internet, and it's "so serious" ?11:49
jblackDid you even try another browser?11:49
Cianticjblack, I don't think so, I bet it affects *all* checkboxes at some level11:49
KEBAive a problem: i updated firefox... no there come ever in the notification area "Firefox-3.0 restart required11:49
KEBAFirefox-3.0 has been upgraded (or reinstalled) and must be restarted. Please quit and restart your web browser now.11:49
KEBA" so i restarted firefox, nothing happend, even if i restart the pc nothihng happend, what to do?11:49
KeithamusCan someone help me figure out how to fix this please: http://pastebin.com/m3c80fe4e11:49
Cianticjblack, I tried it on windows11:50
Keithamusit says after that "No rule to make target /src/MakeFile. Stop" then lots of "Error 2"11:50
jblackKeithamus: Run it like this:. "sudo bash" then "make clean; make modules; make install"11:51
Keithamussome more errors.11:51
jblackKeithamus: By the way, are you aware of module-assistant?11:52
Keithamusno11:52
jblackI don't know where you got that module from, but if it's from the repo, then look at module-assistant. Makes life easy11:52
Keithamusits not from the repo, its from this forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72552211:53
Keithamusbut the problem is, I can't connect to the internet on the PC which Im compiling it on11:53
jblackndis?11:53
Keithamusshould it need it, its just a lan driver?11:53
Keithamusim trying to do the instructions on post#2 btw.11:54
jblacksince when do realtek drivers need ndis?11:54
Keithamusno idea11:54
savvasi have a realtek ethernet and it works11:56
savvasnm-applet says r816911:57
Keithamuswhat are you running on?11:57
savvashardy11:58
Keithamusmines RLT8111c/8168B11:58
Dr_willisThis is a wireless realtek card?11:58
bullgard4Can you recommend a comprehensive listing of the Gutsy changes towards Feisty?11:58
Keithamusno, wired.11:59
Keithamusgigabit eth11:59
Keithamuson a p5k-vm11:59
savvas       product: MS-723511:59
savvas       vendor: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD11:59
savvas                product: RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit Ethernet12:00
savvas                vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.12:00
savvasKeithamus: post this on www.pastebin.ca: sudo lshw12:00
Dr_willisthe pastebinit command is worth installing. :)12:02
Dr_willisthen you could do a lshw | pastebinit and just give us the url it tells you12:03
Keithamushttp://pastebin.com/m57dd119612:04
savvasyou need sudo for that command, it hides some info i think12:04
KeithamusDr_willis, not without internet ;)12:04
* Dr_willis pokes Keithamus in the hypothalamus with a spork.12:05
Dr_willis:P12:05
Keithamusow!12:05
Sergeant_Ponymorning12:05
KEBAcant anybody help me12:05
savvas#12:05
savvas                product: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller12:05
savvas#12:05
savvas                vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.12:05
savvaswoops12:05
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Oli``Is it possible to run a command when I press the power button instead of it running soft-off?12:08
jblackYes. Look at /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh12:09
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Oli``oooo thank you jblack, i shall12:09
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jblackI wouldn't doubt that there's a way to override that script rather than editing it directly12:09
savvasKeithamus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/8679812:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86798 in linux-source-2.6.22 "r8169 driver does not detect link" [Unknown,Fix released]12:10
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Keithamussavvas, thats not my problem however5.12:10
Keithamus-512:10
Keithamusmine can ping other clients on the lan, just not the router/internet12:11
swuboojblack:  Yes, there is---but the applet only offers a few set options, not the ability to run custom commands.12:11
jblackI mean within the system's scripts, not within gnome.12:11
swuboojblack:  I retract my statement.12:12
Dr_willismove soft-off to some other name. and make a script called soft-off that does what you want? :)12:12
Keithamusbtw im on hardy  beta, 2.6.24-1212:12
savvasKeithamus: consider updating :p12:12
KeithamusI can't without the internet!12:12
Dr_willisdownload the internet to cd!12:13
swubooDr_willis:  I'm sort of tempted to replace soft-off with a script that plays zombie quotes from System Shock 2.12:13
savvasKeithamus: download an daily alternate cd  :)12:13
Keithamuswhere from?12:13
swubooDr_Willis:  "Hey, swuboo, I'm rebooting your computer, okay?"  "REBIRTH IN OUR NEW FLESH" "What the Hell?"12:13
blizzkidlo all, anyone succesful in getting atheros 5007eg working in hardy without using ndiswrapper?12:14
savvasKeithamus: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20080416/12:14
Keithamusdo i just slam it in, do an apt-cdrom and update?12:14
savvasKeithamus: i think so12:14
savvasit prompts you by itself when you slam in the cd :p12:15
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Dr_willisthat can work with the alternatve-installer cd.. Not the desktop cd.. I belive12:15
Keithamusi dont get it, i can ping every single working computer on the network - just not the router, and I cant get on the net.12:15
savvasKeithamus: why did you say you don't have the bug from the launchpad link? i didn't read much, but it didn't specify anywhere that it can ping other clients, did it?12:16
Dr_willisHmm.. Linux anime mascots.. how amuseing  http://hehe2.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/anime-linux-distros.png12:17
bullgard4Can you recommend a comprehensive listing of the Gutsy changes towards Hardy12:17
Keithamusno12:17
Keithamusplus it said that no network was detected until unload/reload12:17
Keithamusmine detects the network fine12:17
savvasbullgard4: www.ubuntu.com/test12:19
savvassorry http://www.ubuntu.com/testing12:19
gregoryblizzkid: atheros ath5k is now included in kernel 2.6.25. you might take another distro, which is focused on the latest kernel. i am not sure if hardy - 10 days until release aprox - will switch to 2.6.25. you might have a look at sidux f.e.12:19
blizzkidgregory, ath5k does not support pcie afaik, I've tested with Fedora 9, but to no avail12:20
savvasKeithamus: maybe your network router address isn't detected? have you tried setting it manually?12:20
bullgard4savvas: Thank you.12:21
savvasn/p bull :)12:21
alexandreHi ! the release candate should be out today, right ?12:21
bullgard4alexandre: Tomorrow, as far as I know.12:22
savvastomorrow alexandre https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html12:22
alexandresavvas / bullgard4: Ok thx a lot !12:23
alexandreI 've got a install to make on a new laptop for somebody not familiar with computer or Windows. > so direct to Ubuntu lol12:24
bXihi12:28
Dr_willis!hi12:29
ubotuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!12:29
Perunhi all12:32
SeanyDhello I just installed kubuntu 8.04 on my toshiba a75 laptop12:32
Perunwhat I kernel should I use for hh in a domU (xen)?12:32
SeanyDit was working fine for a day or so, but when I went to restart the session today because I had forgotten the uid password, so I wanted to boot from live cd12:33
SeanyDon the shut down, it said something about media drive failure12:34
SeanyDnow, I can't even turn my laptop on12:34
SeanyDthe power button goes on and then off after 2 secs12:34
SeanyDany help?12:34
bazhangSeanyD: how old is this laptop12:35
SeanyD~2 yrs12:35
bazhangpowering on with the ac or off the battery SeanyD12:35
SeanyDplugged into ac12:36
Dr_willisI would remove the battery abnd try the ac adaptor only. (had an issue like this ages ago)12:36
bazhangSeanyD: that would be my advice too; I have a thinkpad that will choke when I use the (now defunct) battery; total lockups etc12:37
SeanyDwow I'm an idiot12:37
SeanyDyeah the brick wasn't connected fully12:37
SeanyDwell thanks guys- if nothing else I'm glad tat it wasnt a big situation12:38
Dr_willisbeen there, done that..12:38
bazhangSeanyD: that is a big relief12:38
Dr_willisdog chewed my cable in half once... :)12:38
SeanyDcool, well now that I'm not stressin I gotta go take a shower & get ready for work12:39
bazhangI had some neighbors that spent two hours trying to get their eeepc online (via wifi) without a wifi hotspot ;]12:39
SeanyDprob trying to connect to a closed netwok, right?12:39
SeanyDI love my EEE12:39
SeanyDpeace yall12:40
bazhangno network at all ;] (true story)12:40
recon69anyone else getting Rhythmbox starting paused when you open several tracks from the file browser ?12:41
recon69guess it's just me then12:45
DarkMageZrecon69, feel proud? you managed to kill the whole channel :P12:48
moyaI don't have /etc/bash_completion in hardy, how can I have it again ?12:48
recon69DarkMageZ: lol, going to check the bug tracker and post it as a bug.12:50
DarkMageZrecon69, if you're quick enough, you might be able to talk to the rhythmbox dev's directly about it. in irc.gnome.org #rhythmbox . it's nearing their sleeping time.12:52
savvasmoya: sudo apt-get install bash-completion12:52
nemosavvas: really!12:52
nemo$ dpkg -S /etc/bash_completion12:52
nemobash: /etc/bash_completion12:52
nemoodd12:52
moyasavvas: btw, I have accustomed myself to use aptitude, does apt-get nowadays supports the concept of automatic package like aptitude does ?12:53
savvasmoya: you can use aptitude, it's the same thing, but a lot of people say aptitude handles dependencies better/safer12:54
savvasnemo: apt-cache policy bash-completion | grep Installed12:55
savvasthey added it in the meta packages i think, rc should include it12:56
savvasReverse Depends: ubuntu-standard bash12:57
savvas:)12:57
nemoah12:58
travellerhi,i'm using hardy with kde but cannot install nvidia driver, i tried envyng but had not luck. moreorever it seems i'm missing the hardware manager13:12
travelleri reiinstalles restricted-manager-kde but nothing changed13:12
travellercould u help?13:12
IdleOnetraveller: using envy may have caused more harm then good13:14
IdleOne!nvidia | traveller13:14
ubotutraveller: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto13:14
travellerthe thing is y i dont have the hardware manager. Is the hardware manager only for restricted drives or for the whole pc13:16
IdleOne!info clamav hardy13:17
ubotuclamav (source: clamav): anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.1~dfsg2-0.1 (hardy), package size 873 kB, installed size 1336 kB13:17
IdleOnetraveller: I would think it is for all hardware that use restricted drivers13:18
travellerr u using  kde?13:21
binogurehello people13:24
IdleOnetraveller: no gnome here13:24
IdleOnetraveller: tried asking in #kubuntu?13:24
hydroboyhow long till the release candidate is up?13:25
IdleOne!release13:26
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases13:26
holzmodemhi, after upgrading to firefox 3 beta5, firebug stop working,.. is there a solution for this problem?13:27
binogurecan i ask a question about wine here ?13:27
binogurebecause on wine channel, i have not got any answer :'(13:27
IdleOnehydroboy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta check here13:27
Derspanksterholzmodem: not until the extension is updated for FF313:28
IdleOnefirebug is an addon? re-install it13:28
hydroboyIdleOne: the rc has been pushed back a day apparently, found it in the logs, cheers.  (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html)13:28
binogurei have installed Hardy (GNOME Ubuntu AD 64 ATI RS485) and the last release of wine (9,59 for amd 64). I can play Counter strike (steam), but i cannot play another game named PerfectWorld (F2P MMORPG)13:29
Derspanksterhydroboy; yes, heard that yesterday13:29
binogureWhen i launch it, i have a black screen, and i cannot do anything ... :'(13:29
travellerno, not yet because kubuntu is for the stable release13:29
suriroholzmodem: get 1.1 beta from http://www.getfirebug.com/13:31
travellercould u tell me how i can add multiple entries to aptitude install?13:32
hcoalwhen shutting down, Ubuntu doesn't actually switch off at the end, it just stays on the Ubuntu splash screen and I have to switch the PC off by the switch.  Restarting works fine, could this be a power managenet setting in my bios?13:34
holzmodemsuriro, i have the 1.113:34
holzmodemDerevko, 1.1 is available for ff313:35
suriroholzmodem: try 1.2 alpha then .. http://www.getfirebug.com/releases/index.html13:37
nDuffhcoal, how old is your system? Does it use ACPI or APM?13:38
surirois there some sort of filtering in this channel? People seem to respond to messages that I cannot see.13:43
hcoalnDuff: It's a Dell, less than a year old.  I think it is ACPI.13:45
swuboosuriro:  Not that I'm aware of; however, conversations can be spread out over quite a while, so that might be it.13:45
topyli_hörh. suddenly my laptop lost the ability to run compiz13:45
topyli_metacity compositing works fine :O13:45
swubootopyli:  hörh?13:45
topyli_swuboo: hörh is an ancient african word meaning "i am amused and puzzled at once"13:46
swubootopyli:  I shall attempt to use it in conversation on a regular basis.13:47
topyli_swuboo: will certainly improve your social status13:47
swubootopyli:  Indeed.  Nothing says, "I am an elegant and well educated individual" like the sound of an American trying to pronounce an umlaut.13:48
topyli_an african umlaut at that!13:48
suriroswuboo: has Derevko said sth about holzmodem's issue? I did not see it..13:48
swuboosuriro:  I don't know, honestly.13:49
swubooWell, goodbye.  I'm off to go impress my friends and acquaintances with my newfound knowledge of unpronounceable interjections from non-existant languages!13:50
nDuffhcoal, ...and is ACPI acknowledged by the OS? (ie. does /proc/acpi/info show something fairly current)?13:54
recon69well that bug report went down like a lead brick13:54
Derspanksterswuboo: I am already impressed13:54
AlanWhat is the "correct" new way to tell Ubuntu your monitor size?13:55
Alanthe Screens and Graphics dialog is useful, but has no effect on anything.13:56
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savvasanyone using scribd or wordpress 2.5 and amd64? checkout bug #218635 and confirm if possible13:56
savvasSeveas: 14:57:09 <ubotu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out13:57
Alanwhat the hell... and trying to open the gdm manager results in infinite disk activity.13:57
savvasbug 21863513:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218635 in nspluginwrapper "firefox - red x icons in upload dialogs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21863513:58
savvasah goody :P13:58
wastreli am good at umlauts14:02
wastrelfor german anyway14:02
Prefixhow do I install font files?14:02
ArelisIs the Release Candidate secretly released already?14:03
WaZ`Prefix: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts14:03
WaZ`Prefix: if that is what you mean14:04
gregoryArelis: #ubuntu-testing14:04
PrefixI mean that I have a font file, and i want to install it.14:04
Arelisgregory: what's "testing" about it?14:04
gregoryArelis: read channel topic ;-)14:05
AzaThttrying to find how to get my broadcom 43xx working in hardy, any ideas?14:06
gregory!broadcom | AzaTht14:07
ubotuAzaTht: Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx14:07
AzaThtgregory: true, but the page for hardy is not written, and the page for gutsy tells the driver has been deprecated14:08
gregoryAzaTht: i just noticed, sorry, i mixed the channels14:08
AzaThthehe14:08
AzaTht-laptop03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)14:09
AzaThtthat's the one I'm trying to use14:09
AzaThtbut I have pretty much no idea how to do it14:09
recon69can someone try open a mp3 file in rhythmbox by right-clicking on the file in a file browser and selecting "open with->open with rhythm box music player" and tell me if it plays the right file?14:10
DerspanksterAzaTht-laptop: B43 doesn't work?14:10
AzaThtDerspankster: hmm14:10
ChaosParserAzaTht: B43 project. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b4314:10
AzaThtChaosParser: they don't explicit say they support 432814:12
AzaThthaving a tx1270eo thingi14:12
antbeeAnyone tried the UFW firewall. Does not seem to work on my system. If I put in default deny, traffic still gets through. If I add deny port 80 to check, I can still get to webpages. Status shows UFW as loaded.14:13
AzaThtperhaps I have to try ndiswrapper14:13
DerspanksterAzaTht: always an option. I used it pre-Hardy with my 431814:14
recon69lol, no one has a mp3 file , rhythmbox  and 60 seconds to try and see if it can open a file by right clicking it.14:15
AzaThtI'm pretty newbie in wlan in combo with linux14:15
AzaThthave never had reason to use wlan before ツ14:15
DerspanksterAzaTht; have you tried B43?14:16
AzaThtDerspankster: no14:17
saminthemiddlehello14:17
DerspanksterAzaTht: perhaps you should give it a go14:17
AzaThtDerspankster: is it in ubuntu, or do I have to poke with it manually?14:18
DerspanksterAzaTht: you running Hardy Beta?14:18
AzaThtbeta?14:18
AzaThthardy yes14:18
DerspanksterAzaTht: Hardy is currently a beta14:19
sphinx_hello all, i upgrade my monitor from CRT to LCD, i need any special setting to get good result with lcd ?14:19
AzaThtDerspankster: I know14:19
AzaThtthough I never heard anyone refering it to "beta" before14:20
afallenhopeHey, I had a quick question, I'm running Hardy Heron. I have recompiled the b43 driver for some reason it's not working...14:20
afallenhopeI was wondering... when I do sudo rmmod b43  I get Segmentation Fault:14:20
afallenhopethen when I type sudo modprobe b43 it sits there and hangs14:22
recon69well, never liked rhythmbox anyway.14:22
AzaTht-laptopFATAL: Error inserting b43 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko): Operation not permitted14:23
DerspanksterAzaTht: Administation>Hardware14:25
Derspankstersorry - Drivers14:25
afallenhopeAnyone?14:25
AzaTht-laptopDerspankster, have only the grafic card in there14:26
DerspanksterAzaTht-laptop: hold on a second14:27
AzaTht-laptopk14:28
afallenhopeDerspankster: do you think you can help me?14:28
Derspanksterafallenhope: don't know14:29
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DerspanksterAzaTht-laptop: Synaptic - install b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter14:31
AzaThtk14:32
AzaThtdone14:34
AzaTht(now me trying to find out the next step...)14:34
DerspanksterAzaTht: now go to hardware drivers and enable it14:35
AzaThtit's not listed14:35
DerspanksterAzaTht: no?14:36
AzaTht-laptopnope14:36
DerspanksterAzaTht: must not have ndiswrapper14:37
afallenhopeAnyone know if I can recompile the b43 drivers for the 64 bit?14:37
AzaTht-laptopremoved14:37
DerspanksterAzaTht: oh, you removed it?14:37
AzaTht-laptopyes14:37
DerspanksterAzaTht: you need it14:39
AzaThthmm14:39
AzaThthmm14:39
AzaTht-laptopok, reinstalled ndiswrapper14:41
ikoniaTed`: do'nt advertise in here either14:41
Ted`http://ircx.forum0.info/ <--- plz register :) thanx14:41
ikoniaTed`: you where asked not to advertise14:41
DerspanksterNow can you enable the driver?14:41
Ngelmargol: bluefish ist gut14:42
gregoryTed`: please stop in on the network, you may get kicked otherwise14:42
Nggregory: he left already ;)14:42
gregorysilly me14:42
AzaTht-laptopDerspankster, no14:42
AzaTht-laptopthere is still only a note about the nvidia card driver there14:43
DerspanksterAzaTht: try a reboot, if that doesn't get you there then I'm unsure of what's going on - sorry14:43
AzaTht-laptopk14:44
AzaThttrying that14:44
hwildewhat is the reasoning for grub to reference the UUID instead of simply root=dev/hda114:45
elmargolNg, is bluefish a wysiwyg editor?14:45
Ngelmargol: jah :)14:45
DerspanksterAztTht: if your light doesn't come on (wireless) then your hardware isn't being recognized14:45
Nghwilde: the UUID stays the same if the disk order changes14:45
AzaThtDerspankster: it's reccognized14:46
AzaThtstill no entry14:46
Joeb454hi, is anybody else getting a partial upgrade message in update manager?14:46
DerspanksterAzaTht : trying to connect?14:46
savvaselmargol: there's a gnome alternative, i think it was named scream (?)14:47
DerspanksterScreem14:48
savvasthat :)14:48
ferric84how much is the latest beta going to differ from the final release?  I'm wondering if I should install the beta now and update in 7 days, or just wait 7 days14:48
AzaThtDerspankster: using an 3G modem for internet14:48
savvasI just stick to using the gnome text editor :P14:48
Joeb454ferric84, might as well wait 7 days, unless you're really impatient ;)14:49
DerspanksterAzaTht: what do you see in Network Settings?14:49
AzaThtDerspankster: even the switch for the wireless is working14:49
pheriod_guess i'm one of the impatien ones, i'm installing it right now :)14:50
AzaTht-laptopDerspankster, only cable and p2p14:50
Ngferric84: RC is out tomorrow, which should have fewer bugs than Beta and require less of an update to final next week14:50
ferric84OK, excellent14:50
ferric84yes, I'm very impatient... my new thinkpad comes today and I want to use it :)14:51
Joeb454lol14:51
Joeb454ferric84, there might still be some issues, but not many14:51
ferric84yeah14:51
ferric84I can deal with not many14:51
bazhangferric84: best to run the livecd and see first14:51
Joeb454Ng, would you have any idea why I'm stuck with a partial upgrade issue?14:51
ferric84ok14:51
NgJoeb454: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal, say no when it asks if oyu want to do the upgrade, then paste the output in a pastebin and give us the link14:52
savvasJoeb454: wait for all the upgrades to be built and to arrive, it could take 6-7 hours or more14:52
AzaThtDerspankster: I can manually modprobe both b43 and bcm43xx, but to no apparant result14:52
bazhangferric84: the thinkpads are well supported though ;]14:53
ferric84wait, isn't the RC out today?14:53
DerspanksterAzaTht: is this the first time the light has come on?14:53
Stockfischhi .. is anyone here using a thinkpad - espescially a x31 with 8.04 ?14:53
AzaThtno14:53
gregoryferric84: tomorrow14:53
savvasJoeb454: unless you're currently trying to upgrade gutsy to hardy :)14:53
bazhangStockfisch: thinkpad r6014:53
Joeb454savvas, I'm trying to finish getting the updates for hardy14:54
Stockfischbazhang: do your special keys work (volume and so on) ?14:54
Joeb454it's been telling me to partial upgrade for the last couple of days14:54
DerspanksterAzaTht: have you looked in Ubuntu forums or Googled your specific chipset?14:54
savvasJoeb454: then this is the way to go, if the upgrade is done and you have booted successfully and using hardy: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade14:55
bazhangStockfisch: it all works; sleep/suspend (first time ever) and the rest14:55
Joeb454savvas, tried it :(14:55
Joeb454http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63512/14:55
Joeb454there you go Ng14:55
Stockfischbazhang: hmm .. suspend worked fine before and now still works .. special keys worked but do no more .. also scrolling with middle-button and trackpoint does not work anymore14:55
savvasJoeb454: go for it14:55
savvasit's the volumeid, that was removed and integrated in udev i think :)14:56
Joeb454savvas, is it bad that the only reason I don't want to, is because I cba to reinstall?14:56
Joeb454lol14:56
Joeb454i'll give it a go :)14:56
savvasthat's a safe "partial upgrade"14:57
savvas:P14:57
AzaThtsort of yes14:57
hwildeNg, but I am trying to make an image that works on multiple machines, and the UUID changes and grub fails.  But /dev/hda1 works14:57
Joeb454savvas, wish me luck ;)14:57
Joeb454I'll come back after and let you know (there's a kernel in there too)14:57
savvasJoeb454: you don't need it, mine is still working :)14:58
vbabiy-laptopHey when is RC coming out14:58
Nghwilde: yeah that could be trickier, I'm not sure what a good way to do that would be14:58
Ngvbabiy-laptop: tomorrow14:58
savvasvbabiy-laptop: in 7 days, we have to reach golgotha first :P14:58
afallenhopeAnyone know why when I type sudo rmmod b43 I get "Segmentation Fault"14:58
vbabiy-laptopso its been moved a day14:58
savvasyep14:59
vbabiy-laptopwiki has not been updated14:59
clustyhey15:03
Joeb454savvas, it worked fine, just gotta edit grub (I'd edited it before anyway, so that's why :)15:04
Joeb454thanks again :)15:04
clustywhich of the NFS daemons is doing the actual data transfer (grinds drives)?15:04
clustymountd or nfsd?15:04
hischildisn't that the kernel module you're talking about?15:05
afallenhopeAnyone know why I have an issue loading/unloading a kernel mod?15:05
gregoryafallenhope: because you compiled by yourself maybe? ;-)15:06
afallenhopeyah I did.15:06
afallenhopegregory: is that an issue?15:06
hischildafallenhope, did you enable the dynamic loading/unloading of modules?15:06
afallenhopehischild: not that I know of.. where would I find that option?15:07
hischildafallenhope, it's one of the very first options in the kernel menu15:07
afallenhopeI'm only making one thing...15:07
afallenhopethe b43 driver15:08
hischildoh i thought you did the kernel yourself15:08
hischildwell what errors does dmesg give you?15:08
gregoryafallenhope: where you the one who had already tried fedora 9?15:08
afallenhopeno15:09
AzaTht-laptopok, think I managed to fix it now15:10
AzaThtused https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff instead15:10
gregoryafallenhope: do you have a broadcom 4320 rndis chip?15:11
askandHi, I cant open my external drives in Hardy, I am given the message that only root can do so..why is this?15:11
bazhangaskand: is this a fresh install or an upgrade15:12
askandbazhang: its an upgrade15:13
bazhangaskand: did you do something with your permissions? gksudo nautilus or the like?15:13
afallenhopegregory: I have the Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)15:13
askandbazhang: nope..could it be related to policykit?15:14
bazhangaskand: any other weird enabling root behaviour?15:14
askand) bazhang: not that I have encountered so far15:14
gregoryafallenhope: hmm, is it one of those devices? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=bf164cc054d568fa7889ffab41d3b091f5758c7515:14
afallenhopegregory: no, it's a broadcom card.. the driver is b4315:15
gregoryafallenhope: i see , sorry15:16
afallenhopegregory: no worries.. I have permissions to load modules and stuff15:16
afallenhopeI tested it out with this15:16
afallenhopermmode pcspkr; sleep 5; modprobe b43;15:16
afallenhopeand that worked fine15:16
adobongkangkongis it okay to use the beta version and update it later when the official is released?15:19
bazhangadobongkangkong: just keep updating and you will be final15:19
Lamegoadobongkangkong, yes15:20
adobongkangkongthnx15:20
adobongkangkongbtw <bazhang> are u omnipotent ? just kid15:20
AzaThtok, now next thing to fix ツ15:21
ShackJackHI all - since upgrading to -16 kernel my fglrx driver is not showing as in use under the Restricted Drivers Manager... Has anyone here been experiencing this issue?15:22
AzaThtanyonw with experience with wvdial?15:22
nathan_Hi, any idea what's wrong here: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/190270/ ?15:23
adobongkangkong<AzaTht> how'd u do that? i mean how do put shortcuts to type japanese fonts?15:23
afallenhopewhat's the command to know what module my wireless card is using15:24
afallenhopebecause some people are saying I'm using b43 others are saying it's bcm43xx and the others are saying b43legacy15:25
bullgard4What command-line tool returns a detiled description of the DEB program package 'tracker-utils'? Does it start with 'apt-'?15:25
Lynoureafallenhope: which one you have in your   lsmod ?15:25
bullgard4detailed15:25
Lynourebullgard4: apt-cache show foobar15:25
Lynourebullgard4: where foobar is the package name15:25
b4l74z4rit seems that the latest hardy updates has resolved the problems with tearing in totem when compiz is enabled15:26
AzaThtadobongkangkong: text replacement in xchat15:26
afallenhopeLynoure: I just want to know whic mod it's using.. i'm confused .. ppl are sayin it's the b43,, others are saying b43legacy and now ppl are sayin it's the bcm43xx I just want to know which one15:26
adobongkangkong<AzaTht> is that a plugin?15:27
AzaThtno15:27
AzaThtSettings → Advanced → Automatic blah15:27
Lynoureafallenhope: Do you mean by that that both are shown loaded in  lsmod?15:27
bullgard4Lynoure: "detlef@MD97600:~$ man apt-cache show tracker-utils; No manual entry for show; No manual entry for tracker-utils."15:27
Lynourebullgard4: why man?15:27
Lynourebullgard4: man has nothing to do with it, if you want the description of the package15:28
AzaThtadobongkangkong: http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/smiley.png15:28
Lynourebullgard4: if you want man entry for the command, that's  man apt-cache15:28
bullgard4Lynoure: Ok. That was my mistake. Now ist works. Thank you very much.15:28
Lynourebullgard4: :)15:29
adobongkangkongokay15:30
ShackJackHI all - since upgrading to -16 kernel my fglrx driver is not showing as in use under the Restricted Drivers Manager... Has anyone here been experiencing this issue?15:38
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AzaThtwhy is gnome screensaver only using one cpu?15:40
nathan_Is there an alternative kernel header package to fix this problem: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/190270/ ?15:40
AzaThtor perhaps a better question: why is so many programs only using single cpu?15:41
b4l74z4rnøke såte15:43
askandThe shutdown dialog does not show when pressing the shutdownbutton, is that a known bug?15:48
afallenhopeis there a way of getting rid of the pci speaker?15:52
afallenhopelike the BEEP15:52
wilbertkill it15:52
topylitraditionally, i've ripped them out and thrown them out of the window15:52
* nemo likes the beep15:53
nemoafallenhope: you can disable beeping though15:53
nemoafallenhope: if in gnome, system->preferences->sound->system beep15:53
wilbertlike topli said, ripp it out15:53
nemobeep is handy when using screen15:54
afallenhopethanks nemo15:54
nemootherwise I'd never know I was getting IMs15:54
topylinemo: i get big fat notification bubbles and an annoying .wav :)15:55
topylii wish my mobile putty had system beep though, or could vibrate or something. anything15:56
[diablo]good afternoon #ubuntu+115:57
[diablo]anyone having issues with grub installation on last pass of install?15:57
askan1The shutdown dialog does not show when pressing the shutdownbutton, is that a known bug?15:57
nemotopyli: screen + centerim FTW15:58
nemotopyli: I do sometimes enable visual beep15:58
topylivisual bell is not very helpful on a phone in your pocket :(15:59
topylialso, why run centerim when you can use irssi?15:59
topylijust connect to a bitlbee server and enjoy your jabber15:59
askan1Hardy does not detect my aticard..is that a known bug?16:01
askan1 drivers manager*16:02
Lynoureaskan1: I don't do closed source drivers at all, but you might get better answers if you told them which ATI card16:02
askan1Raden X160016:03
nemotopyli: I prefer to keep my IM and IRC separate16:04
nemotopyli: is just me.16:04
nemotopyli: also, I like centerim's layout a lot16:04
topylinemo: yepp16:05
Leeuwanyone know what time today (GMT or UCT) the release candidate is due ?  On the daily page there's only the 17 april build, wich I believe is not the RC (day later, so I' ve  read)16:11
penwhat is me TV?16:12
penwhat can I do with it?16:12
TommmmmmmHey, Does anyone know too get "aticonfig --initial" & "aticonfig --Overlay=Xv" to work?16:12
afallenhopehey i had a question about installing from a svn16:12
afallenhopehow do I uninstall it16:12
Leeuwpen, watch tv if you hav a tv-card installed16:13
penLeeuw: I see16:13
Leeuwpen, and a cable or antenna connected16:13
TommmmmmmAnybody?16:13
Leeuwpen, but I haven't figured out how to tune the card with that app; anyone ?16:14
penLeeuw: are you using that?16:14
Leeuwpen, KDE TV is similar, but has a wizzard to tune; if you have tv-card, try it , it's cool16:14
Leeuwpen, I tried, but : see above16:15
askan1 Leeuw release candidate is coming tomorrow16:15
afallenhopeanyone able to help me?16:15
Leeuwaskan1: another day retarted ?16:15
askan1Leeuw: no..it has always been thursday and now friday?16:16
Leeuwaskan1: or just the date-line effetc ?16:16
afallenhopeafter I install something (compile [make] [make install]) .. how would I uninstall it16:16
TommmmmmmHey, Does anyone know too get "aticonfig --initial" & "aticonfig --Overlay=Xv" to work?16:16
askan1afallenhope:  sudo make uninstall16:16
askan1Tommmmmmm: what happens when you put that in a terminal?16:16
Leeuwaskan1: aha, now I gettit, my clock' s a day fast (not me, but I trust the clock to much)16:16
afallenhopeeven if it's from svn co ?16:16
askan1 afallenhope: yes should work the same way16:17
surirohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html16:17
Leeuwaskan1: thanx for waking me up ;-)16:17
afallenhopety16:17
TommmmmmmErmm, Xorg has failed.... It would help if I had a GUI......... Damn ATI16:17
tunaso, i installed hardy. And now all mp3's play reaylly bad. The sound scratcheds and skips. Anyone know the reason? ogg plays fine.16:18
afallenhopeAlright... is there a reason when I patch something... then I use copy it to the modules dir, try sudo rmmod b43 i get "Segmentation Fault" then when I try "modprobe b43" it jsut hangs/16:19
vladhi people16:20
vladcan i ask here a problem for ubuntu + video?16:20
Lamegogrr, after updating my fonts are horrible16:20
TommmmmmmGeeze, I don't get if the drivers are officially supported by the vendor for linux but it still isn't intergrated into ubuntu -_-16:20
afallenhopevlad:  don't ask to ask to ask.. just do it16:20
afallenhopeAlright... is there a reason when I patch something... then I use copy it to the modules dir, try sudo rmmod b43 i get "Segmentation Fault" then when I try "modprobe b43" it jsut hangs/16:22
vladok i got ati sapphire x1550 +  ubuntu 7.10 i installed the restricted drivers automatic when i try to put better visual effects it says "the composite extension is not available", im a new in linux and i dont know what to do16:22
afallenhopemake sure you fully updated everything16:23
vladyes16:23
vladall full updated16:23
Tommmmmmmvlad :     Section "Extensions"16:23
TommmmmmmOption "Composite" "0"16:23
TommmmmmmEndSection16:23
Tommmmmmmto16:23
TommmmmmmSection "Extensions"16:23
TommmmmmmOption "Composite" "1"16:23
TommmmmmmEndSection16:23
Tommmmmmmat the bottom of your xorg.conf16:24
vladkk16:24
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: do you think you could help me out?16:24
vladhow cant open xorg.inf how can open that Tommmmmmm16:25
LeeuwTommmmmmm: think messing with xorg.config is good idea for noob ?16:25
hwildehow can I apt-get remove stuff to take out the user interface portion ?16:25
hwildeapt-get remove --purge gnome*       "Couldn't find package gnome-2.0"16:25
Tommmmmmmsudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   I think16:25
afallenhopeyeah16:26
TommmmmmmLeeuw, Properly not lol.16:26
afallenhopeHow about we help meeee loll16:26
Leeuwvlad, better ask on #ubuntu, this is #ubuntu+1, beta testing newwer ubuntu than your version.   type: /join #ubuntu    and try on that channel; I haven' t a clue to your problem, but someone there might.16:27
vladTommmmmmm:  when i open xorg conf it appears a new blank window16:27
vladubuntu is alone16:27
vlado it isnt16:27
Leeuwvlad, tommm' s just messing with you.16:27
vlad:O16:28
tan>:)16:28
vlad:(16:28
hwildeanybody have a better suggestion than     apt-get remove --purge `dpkg -l | grep gnome | awk '{print $2}'`16:28
Leeuw:'(16:28
BHSPitMonkeyHaha, that's funny.16:28
BHSPitMonkeyI dragged my resume from a local folder to a remote share, and now it appears on neither.16:29
BHSPitMonkeyGVFS has a twisted humor, it.16:29
Tommmmmmmvlad try sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf16:29
Tommmmmmmbut if it breaks, wasn't me16:29
hwildemake a backup of the file first.16:29
BHSPitMonkeyhwilde, I would think to remove the deps of ubuntu-desktop (EXCEPT for ubuntu-server)16:31
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: do you know of the issue with the b43 driver?16:31
TommmmmmmWifi ?16:31
vladTommmmmmm:  still blank window16:32
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: yeah it is.16:32
kosmonaut                     16:32
kosmonautMan!This is so frustrating.16:32
kosmonautI started Hardy from the Live-CD. Everything worked just fine.16:32
kosmonautThat means, I could establish a connection to my Wifi-router with WPA.16:32
kosmonautSo I thought Hardy is ready to go.16:32
kosmonautNow after the installation+all updates-> there is no way to connect to my router via Wifi.16:32
kosmonautChip: RTL8180 / Driver Ndiswrapper16:32
kosmonaut(sorry 4 that mess)16:33
Symmetriahrm, lo all, quick question, is the RC1 officially out yet?16:33
jbroomeSymmetria: dunno off hand, check the site16:33
kosmonauthow could i focus that problem16:33
TommmmmmmSorry no I don't afallenhope, I can't even boot into xserver ^_^16:33
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: anytime I type sudo rmmod b43 I get "Segmentation Fault:" and then I can't do "sudo modprobe b43"16:33
Symmetriahrm, jbroome its due out today I see, and Im just trying to figure out if its actually officially released or not :) but will see what I can find out16:34
tattersis the relase candidate out today?16:34
jbroometatters: are you even paying attention?16:34
Symmetriatatters according to that page yes16:34
tattersugh? what page16:34
tattersonly just arrived16:34
Tommmmmmmalfallenhope ,not happending to be using Wubi are you16:36
savvas"killall -9 -u username" kills all processes under a username? or do i have to use -r .* ?16:36
scaporHi.  I found the webpage fro 8.04 RC but the download links point to the beta iso's.  Are the RC iso's not yet uplaoded ?16:37
vladTommmmmmm:  if composite is set to "0" i should put it to 1?16:39
scizzo-scapor: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing16:39
TommmmmmmYes vlad.16:39
vladthx16:39
scaporscizzo-: I'll take that as a nay ;)16:40
TommmmmmmReboot or Log in and out after vlad.16:40
vladkk brb16:40
scizzo-scapor: well since the last edition shows beta then no the rc is not out yet16:40
tattersme thinks simply not out yet would suffice16:40
scaporallright .. I guess the page I got on was something that automatically exists for every new Ubuntu species16:40
Leeuwjust wondering: if I install Hardy's daily build from today, and do updates tomorrow, do I have release candidate tomorrow ?   Or should I wait till tomorrow for some obscure reason ?16:43
Leeuwthat illudes me (just finishing the sentence)16:44
tattersrc is out today is it not, or has it been delayed16:44
Leeuwtatters: been delayed to tomorrow16:44
tattersk, thnx16:45
bazhangrelease week is here; think I'll hide in #ubuntu-classroom16:45
jbroomeLeeuw: any updates you run will bring you current to either the RC or final release when they're out16:45
jbroomeLeeuw: i'd suggest putting that in the /topic, but people don't seem to read it16:46
Leeuwjbroome: thanx, I'll go ahead then, can't wait, have the image, and probably tomorrow servers are to busy anyway16:46
Leeuwimpatient li' l me :-!16:46
jbroomeyeah, get your updates before any milestones are released16:46
Leeuwone thing I don't understand though: considering freeze went in last week, how can there be difference between daily' s now and rc ?16:48
Leeuwno deepfreeze ?16:48
scaporLeeuw: not everything is frozen and some things are allowed to pass when it's critical although they should be frozen16:48
Leeuwjust cubes in water ? :-P16:48
Leeuwscapor: aha !16:48
scaporLeeuw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule16:49
bazhangLeeuw: you dont read ubuntu newsweekly? heresy!16:49
scaporLeeuw: like the RC is the freeze for translations16:49
Leeuwscapor: yeah I know, thx anyway; that's where I got the info, it didn't xplain this though16:49
scaporLeeuw: they can go on till then as they can't make big bugs normally16:49
Leeuwscapor: eeehhh ?16:50
scaporLeeuw: you see different freeze's on that page :p16:50
mohbanawhats the lastest version of ubuntu? 1. does it have latex on it? 2. does it support the nvidia 8800gts (G92) out of the box?16:50
scaporLeeuw: changing a translation won't make the system crash as there's no code involved16:50
Leeuwscapor: I gettit16:50
Leeuwscapor: good ifo, tnx16:50
Leeuwinfo16:51
bazhangmohbana: get the livecd and see16:51
jbroome!latex | mohbana16:51
ubotumohbana: tex is a language for describing a document, commonly used especially for scientific publishing. Information and instructions for installing TeX and other related packages can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaTeX16:51
bazhang!info latex16:51
afallenhopeI've looked at the forums... no one has the same issue as me16:51
ubotuPackage latex does not exist in hardy16:51
mohbanatexlive maybe16:51
mohbana!info texlive16:52
ubotutexlive (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2007-13 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 100 kB16:52
jbroomeapt-cache search latex on my hardy machine brings up many choices16:52
* Tommmmmmm thinks wubi is a waste of time -_-16:52
Flanneljbroome: texlive is the 'official' debian tex package (it used to be tetex)16:52
jbroomemohbana: i have two 8600 GTs in my hardy machine, they work fine16:53
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bazhangwubi is sweet16:54
mohbanajbroome, did you have you manually install it?16:54
bazhangas is unetbootin16:54
afallenhopeAfter I do sudo rmmod b43 it says: "Segmentation Fault"16:54
michaelfaviamy mouse keeps getting sucked to the center of my screen when i min/max windows and give them focus. just started randomly, is this compiz, xorg, vodoo?16:55
jbroomemohbana: i used envy to install the drivers, but the restricted drivers notice did see them16:55
michaelfaviahrm just disabled compiz and it stopped...16:55
TommmmmmmHmmmm, Shall I install Ubuntu or Kubuntu.....//16:56
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: do you like KDE?16:58
LamegoTommmmmmm, it depends on your taste, nothing we can advice about :P16:58
afallenhopeAfter I do sudo rmmod b43 it says: "Segmentation Fault"16:58
bazhangcough kde4 cough16:58
LeeuwTommmmmmm: how about noobuntu ?16:58
afallenhopeis that normal?16:58
Leeuwsorry...16:59
lup0At what time is the Release candidate coming? According to schedule it should be available today?16:59
TommmmmmmSegmentation fault just means the hardware isn't compatitable i thinks16:59
bazhanglup0: tomorrow16:59
bicyclistLamego well said, it is a matter of taste rather than of one being better than the other.17:00
bazhangseems like /topic needs an update ;]17:00
Leeuwmichaelfavia: it's a function that centers mouse on most likely spot next to click (like ok-button), don't ask me where to find it though (probably advanced desktop settings)17:00
afallenhopeTommmmmmm: I basically recompiled the b43 module  and moved it to  /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/ and tried reloading it17:00
Leeuwlup0: nope, delayed; tomorrow17:00
TommmmmmmNdiswrapper GUI app is for Gnome Isn't it ?17:00
michaelfaviaLeeuw, it isnt on dialogs, on any window :(17:01
bazhangndisgtk aye17:01
afallenhopeafter I do the sudo rmmod b43 it says that17:01
michaelfaviacraaazy17:01
TommmmmmmNdisgtk working on KDE?17:01
juliankTommmmmmm: yes17:01
Leeuwmichaelfavia: did you install advanced desktop settings from synaptic ?  if not do so17:01
bazhangnever tried it--intel wireless ;]17:01
michaelfaviaLeeuw, i did.17:02
lup0Leeuw: ok, thanks17:02
michaelfaviabut cant find any thing that would do this :(17:02
Leeuwmichaelfavia: hmmm... then I give up, am on debian now for I crashed gutsy and waaiting for hardy... so I cab't find out just now...17:03
Leeuwcan't I mean17:03
afallenhopeis there any clients that support MSN Messenger webcams/17:03
TommmmmmmAmsn17:03
afallenhopeokay thanks17:03
TommmmmmmAmsn has the slowest contact list ever and the looks aint great either.17:04
afallenhopeWell. I jsut want webcam support17:04
afallenhopeI preffer Pidgin myself... buuuuuut doesn't have webcam17:05
TommmmmmmYeah, I have to use it for webcam...I way perfer Emesene for msn :)17:05
bicyclistDoes amsn also have sound support ?17:07
Tommmmmmm    * Offline Messaging17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Voice Clips17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Display pictures17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Custom emoticons17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Multi-language support (around 40 languages currently supported)17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Webcam support17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Sign in to more than one account at once17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Full-speed File transfers17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Group support17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Normal, and animated emoticons with sounds17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Chat logs17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Timestamping17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Event alarms17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Conferencing support17:08
jbroomeTommmmmmm: ass17:08
Tommmmmmm    * Tabbed chat windows17:08
TommmmmmmIt has most things.17:08
jbroomedoes it have a pastebin?17:08
FlannelTommmmmmm: Please don't paste here.17:08
nemointeresting. I didn't know there was a linux client that supported MSN video17:09
Tommmmmmmkk17:09
nemoI always just told everyone to use skype or H.32317:09
nemouseful info17:09
bicyclistWell just wondering if amsn allows for sound, cause skype does !17:09
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nemobicyclist: you know, there's apparently a completely web-based one I've been meaning to try out.17:10
nemoand by "web based" I mean flash :(17:10
bicyclistah ok.17:10
Tommmmmmmtesco cd's = the sex17:11
CianticIs there SVN integration to the file manager?17:15
savvasnemo: you also emesene17:15
savvas*also have17:16
benklop_hello17:16
benklop_i've upgraded my laptop to hardy, and averything seems about as i'd expect17:17
nemosavvas: no17:17
benklop_except synergy doesn't work well17:17
harveydI installed hardy heron beta, now im having problems importing photos from my camera17:18
benklop_it goes back and forth between being resonsive and unresponsive17:18
savvasnemo: i meant i think emesene supports video too :)17:18
harveydthe first time it imported 2/3 then crashed17:18
harveydthe next 2 times gnome froze entirely17:19
Jorl17hello17:19
benklop_i'm not sure why, other than to say that it does not appear to happen in conjuction to anything logged in /var/logs17:19
harveydnow I uninstalled f-spot, since I didnt want it popping up, I get the "do you want to import your photos" dialog, click yes, and nothing happens17:19
benklop_you move the mouse / keyboard on the server, and the synergy client in hardy doesn'tt always respond immediately17:20
benklop_it seems like it gets all events at once every few seconds, then responds normally for a few seconds, then stops responding for a few more17:20
Jorl17Hello, I was hoping someone could help me out, I've got some sound issues in Ubuntu hardy17:21
vvdhello, i just debootstrapped hardy but it wont boot. kernel initializes hw and just when normally init begins its work, nothing happens. any ideas?17:21
Jorl17As soon as someone is willing to help me, please tell me, thankyou17:22
benklop_Jorl17: you should know that in hardy, sound is all routed through pulseaudio.17:24
benklop_so apps like amarok have a pulseaudio plugin, but alsa programs need to have a special alsa config file. i don't know if hardy installs one by default17:25
W8TAHim using hardy beta 4 (ubuntu) on my laptop -- im planning to install kopete for some testing -- is there an advantage to installing the KDE 4 version (with attendant deps) as opposed to the kde3 version -- im not particularly intersted in eye candy17:29
LeeuwJorl17: whatsa problim ?17:29
benklop_W8TAH: having used both, i'd say the kde3 version is perfactly adequate17:30
W8TAHok17:30
W8TAHthanks17:30
boritekhello17:31
boritek could you tell me please how can i track xchat's logs with tracker? The files are in a hidden directory in .xchat2/xchatlogs. I added this directory to the watchlist but it doesnt track the files there17:31
Jorl17@Leeuw: in the beggining i had difficulties getting my 5.1 sound to work, but I figured it out...comoiled ALSA, did lot's of stuff...switched cables and that was it17:35
AzaThtthink I found a bug in the error report thingi; it seems it tried to open a page in firefox, but instead of opening a new page, it tried to start a new firefox session, and thus bail17:35
afallenhopeCan anyone tell me if this syntax is correct?17:35
afallenhopesudo cp drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/17:35
Jorl17then, I had this problem of sound getting only 'wowned' by one app, ofc I got it and it is partially ready17:35
Jorl17afallenhope17:36
Jorl17i think you missed -d command or so17:36
LeeuwJorl17: great ! I didn't know I was soooo good at helping people out...  be sure to clean up the ectoplasma though...17:36
afallenhopeyes Jorl17 ?17:36
Jorl17ok, i'm sory, it just happens that openttd gets the sound all breaked17:36
Jorl17do you klnow why?17:37
Jorl17I can give you information ofc17:37
annoia$ sudo network-admin  ...  Segmentation fault (core dumped)   <--- Is this normal?17:38
afallenhopenot that I know of.. but I get segmentation fault all the time17:38
annoiaWell, it's pretty annoying that all gnome apps thinks that my network is down :P17:39
afallenhopeI get the SF when I run rmmod17:39
topylilooks like this morning's updates broke compiz. it freezes when switching between overlapping windows17:39
Jorl17afallenhope add -r17:39
topylijust in time for the RC :)17:40
afallenhopeokay17:40
Jorl17nah just leave it17:40
Jorl17don't, i'll better just shut up ^^17:40
Jorl17so, does anyone know the reason for the fact my openttd sound breaks as if cpu time wasn't well distributed?17:40
insomninjaanybody who have sucsessfully installed aldrin on hardy?17:41
afallenhopeJorl17: I'm just trying to patch my driver17:41
Jorl17when i mean break I mean goes slow17:41
Jorl17i have17:41
Jorl17hardy17:41
Jorl17insomninja, but why, can I know?17:42
Jorl17afakkebhope, have you managed it?17:42
Jorl17afallenhope*17:43
insomninjaJorl17, what do you mean?17:43
afallenhopeJorl17: what do you mean managed?17:43
Jorl17just curiosity, why did you want to know if anyone had sucessfully installed hardy17:43
Jorl17the command17:43
Jorl17 => sudo cp drivers/net/wireless/b43/b43.ko /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/b43/17:43
afallenhopeI compiled the driver/module17:43
Jorl17oh ok17:43
insomninjaJorl17, because I have problems doing it, it requires some stuff not found in apt17:44
afallenhopeJorl17: it doesn't return anything..17:44
Jorl17have checked if it worked?17:44
Jorl17insommninja, sutff like what?17:44
afallenhopeJorl17:  welll... don't I have to do sudo rmmod b43 first?17:44
AzaThthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/21875117:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218751 in apport "apport tries to start a new firefox session" [Undecided,New]17:44
Jorl17I managed to get hardy working even with my usb card, nvidia graphics driver (proprietary) and stuff17:45
AzaThtJorl17: I just had trouble with mine, though the "tutorial" for feisty worked17:45
Jorl17maybe, as I said i'd be better off not saying a thing, I am not expert not even close17:45
afallenhopeJorl17:  welll... don't I have to do sudo rmmod b43 first?17:45
insomninjaJorl17, libzzub, <- I'm trying to install that according to a howto from aldrin's home page, but scons gives me an error I can't really understand17:45
Jorl17hm, well, I'm using hardy with triple-boot XP and VIsta through vista's bootloader so I didn't follow that tutorial for sure ^^17:46
Jorl17oh, for all the C++ programmers out there, i've never really used the string command, always used char*, but decided port something out, tell me (if you can), can string cause bufffer overflows? something like string somestring="string"; somestring="somebiggerstring"; ?17:47
AzaThtwhen using apport, is there any way to know that the data  has been sent to an dev?17:47
insomninjaI might have fixed it, but not in a pretty way...17:48
AzaThtanyone?17:49
LamegoJorl17, C++ strings to do not use fixed length arrays, that type of assignment could not cause an overflow17:49
Jorl17ok, thankyou, therefor strcpy command could cause the overflow17:50
Jorl17it's just that I've been porting code (really big code) from windows to work on both and started using string...since then I found some strange overflows17:50
Jorl17a const string passed as an argument to a function is being acessed...even without that function getting called anywhere17:51
AzaThtit seems that apport never sended a bug report in this case17:52
prashant____hey i wanted to ask something . When i installed ubuntu with WUBI it went fine until i did not installed a package . But when i installed a package ( a whole lot of Disk I/O error were printed while booting)17:55
prashant____hello17:55
Jorl17hello17:55
prashant____it is no use using an OS where we cant do any thing17:55
prashant____:(17:55
hwildedisk i/o errors are a hardware issue, not the os.17:56
prashant____well in my case it is17:57
prashant____what i think is the cause of error is purely due to Wubi concept is not woeking fine17:58
prashant____as wubi uses virtual disks not real disks so it is a problem of OS not H/W17:58
siriushey isnt the Release Candidate supposed to be out today?17:58
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bicyclistNot today, tomorrow. Slight delay17:59
siriusnovaahh damn17:59
siriusnovais there a pre pre release candidate iso?17:59
siriusnovaIm reinstalling a box lol17:59
siriusnova:P17:59
Ragnareland how to upgrade from beta to rc? dist-upgrade or what?17:59
bicyclistI suppose yes.17:59
bicyclistas far as i know just make the usual update....17:59
Ragnareloh nice17:59
bicyclistif you already run hh 8.0417:59
Jorl17using dist-upgrade do we loose any definitions, packages, updates, drivers?18:00
bicyclistWell some, as not all have been compiled to run with hardy heron. Expecially proprietary drivers.18:00
bicyclistOr packages, that have been removed in the hh release.18:01
bicyclistBut that are not very much. I upgraded from gutsy to hardy on a sony vaio and nearly not realized the upgrade18:01
Jorl17hm, I use nvidia proprietary drivers18:02
Jorl17do you know if they would be OK after the upgrade?18:02
Jorl17nvidia geforce 8 I think18:02
prashant____any one have any idea about Wubi problem or it is a BIG BUG :(18:02
RagnarelI upgraded yesterday and I didn't lost nothing18:02
Jorl17nice, you also use nvidia proprietary drivers?18:03
Ragnarelyes18:03
Ragnarelfor FX 550018:03
Jorl17thanks for the info18:03
Jorl17hm...ok!18:03
miloszis the problem some people referred to on the mailing list that systems don't boot on current up-to-date status a confirmed problem?18:07
Jorl17erm...is dist-upgrade a command? is there an equivalent or something?18:07
FlannelJorl17: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade18:08
Jorl17thanks18:08
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x1250Jorl17: dist-upgrade is deprecated, use full-upgrade instead..18:16
Jorl17oh great...now that I am upgrading with dist-upgrade ^^18:16
Jorl17thanks for the info18:16
Jorl17guess i'll use full upgrade soon then18:16
benguinhi there18:22
savvas<there> hi18:22
pseigohow can i use the ubuntu irc? (i am useing pidgin for irc)18:22
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benguincould someone help me out with some compile issues im getting with g++ 4.2  ?18:23
savvaspseigo: you have xchat-gnome (menu applications > add/remove)18:23
pseigosavvas: on pidgin?18:24
pseigosavvas: and i am on kde 3.418:25
Tuv0kI forget the proper way to clean out old scripts from /etc/init.d/?18:27
Jorl17how do I use full-upgrade=18:29
Jorl17?*18:29
x1250Jorl17: you can $ man aptitude, for the next time, but... # aptitude full-upgrade18:30
Jorl17hm, thanks! but dist-upgrade did the job I guess18:30
stefgRelease candidate out yet?18:31
x1250Topic says beta...18:32
pseigosavvas: were you ignoring me?18:32
suriroHi, xfce terminal does not perform hinting on fonts, though it's enabled desktop wide. Any idea what could be wrong?18:34
dwatson_use a font that supports hinting?18:35
dwatson_the bitstream mono font is good18:35
Jorl17oh well, I have to boot into windows to test this...I really need to install code blocks and gcc in my second pc so i don't have to ext Ubuntu18:35
dwatson_why not use vmware?18:35
Jorl17'cause I'd have to reinstall windows there right?18:35
^Ocean^wrong18:36
Jorl17I can't build an image from windows that has 100 gbs in reality18:36
Jorl17then i'd have no space18:36
x1250it can use a real partition18:36
Jorl17it can?18:36
dwatson_Jorl17, only you can change your parameters to suit your needs, but does Windows really need that much space?18:36
dwatson_or why not move your data to an ext3 partition and share it using vmware file sharing18:37
Jorl17when I mean windows, i catually mean windows and it's apps...windowze's drive C I mean, windows itself ocuppiues its own needs18:37
Jorl17the problem isn't sharing data18:37
Jorl17it's actually testing applications18:37
dwatson_vmware is perfect for that18:37
x1250like what applications?18:37
dwatson_vmware supports snapshots18:37
^Ocean^Jorl17: You can use vmware too load an exisiting windows partition,  windows will find all new hardware at first but should work18:37
Jorl17I'm porting code fI made from windows to work on both of them, so I need the Client app (it's a chat application) in windows to test the srver (ported) code18:38
Jorl17because I haven't ported the Chat App itself yet18:38
dwatson_Jorl17, i develop on Windows and Linux too, VMWare is such a time saver18:38
x1250try virtualbox also, its very good18:38
dwatson_its unbelievable18:38
Jorl17hm...18:39
^Ocean^wine might also be usefull18:39
Jorl17maybe if you could help me setting this up ^^18:39
FraeonSo, problems with wireless in the 8.0418:39
Jorl17ocean, I have wine, my code simply messes it up18:39
x1250I can help you with virtualbox18:39
dwatson_hey, I work for a living, I don't hold hands for a living ;)18:39
Jorl17unless i replace wsockets2 dll with windoeze's18:39
Jorl17:) i get it18:39
FraeonIt finds my wireless stick fine, it finds the networks fine but refuses to join the network18:39
Jorl17x1250, guide me then if you may :)18:39
dwatson_Trust me, I was reluctanct to move to vmware, but once I did, there is no going back18:40
FraeonIt keeps asking the passphrase over and over like it's incorrect but I doublechecked and it should be okay18:40
^Ocean^Jorl17: Well i wold suggest vmware then :)   I have used it for years18:40
Jorl17where can i get virtualbox (it is an OS emulator, right?)18:40
dwatson_Fraeon, go to your keyring and delete the entries for your wireless18:40
Jorl17Ocean, I used vmware in windows, the thing is I don't really want to mess to much with it...never used int i linux...18:40
x1250download the package from virtualbox.org (gutys package) first.18:40
Jorl17BTW i'm on hardy18:41
x1250I know18:41
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/19288818:41
Jorl17ok18:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]18:41
Jorl17i'm going there18:41
Fraeondwatson_: is this a common problem and can it happen when the OS is just installed?18:41
dwatson_Fraeon, it happened to me a while back18:42
dwatson_I  Just make sure you are up to date on all of your packages after you get on your wireless18:42
DanaGOoh, nspluginwrapper for i386.18:42
DanaGFinally fixes that damn crashing.18:42
Jorl17guess I have to add  deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian gutsy non-free  to /etc/apt/sources.list18:43
x1250Jorl17: not necesary, you can dowload the package itself18:43
Jorl17how (i'm sorry, as I said, started using linux short time and I'm still...slow)18:44
x1250Jorl17: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.5.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI18:44
x1250just select the platform from the dropdown, agree license and continue18:44
Jorl17yes, ok thanks, i was there, didn't see the option to download ^^18:45
Jorl17oh, let me just install java...18:46
nemosavvas: ah. I thought that was a question :-p18:46
nemosavvas: certainly the grammar was ambiguous18:46
x1250Jorl17: you'll need to install libxerces27 and libxalan110. Virtualbox depends on them.18:46
Jorl17ok, i'm installing them with apt-get18:47
^Ocean^any one had a problem with the new kernel not booting ?18:48
Jorl17I am yet to know, haven't rebooted yet18:48
cycomAnyone else have suspend to ram work on the livecd, but immediately after install, not working?18:48
cycomdrivin me crazy.18:49
^Ocean^cycom: The suspusnd feature is broken18:49
cycom^Ocean^: what do you mean?18:50
cycom^Ocean^: my symptoms are basically the system comes back with no keyboard and display, but I can ssh in, kill Xorg, and it comes back.18:50
cycom^Ocean^: top shows Xorg using 100% CPU as well.18:51
^Ocean^Hibernation does not work in a Wubi installation. Even if this option is available on the desktop, you should avoid using it.18:51
W8TAHif one wants to un-install a program AND all the deps it pulled in - -how does one accomplish this?18:51
x1250aptitude should do that for you18:52
DavieyHi, is there a problem with network manager atm? (intel 3945ABG)18:52
W8TAHive never used aptitude - how would one do so?18:52
cycom^Ocean^: hibernation works fine, and I'm notusing wubi...18:52
W8TAHi installed the package kopete-kde418:52
^Ocean^Ah18:52
LamegoW8TAH, just use sudo apt-get autoremove (after removing the package)18:52
^Ocean^sorry <-- just woke up18:52
x1250aptitude remove package, or aptitude purge package, if you want to delete the config files also18:52
W8TAHthanks18:53
cycom^Ocean^: It's just suspend, and only after I install.  There are literally no differences in the files in /etc/ on the livecd and and the files in /etc/ on the hard disc install other than normal stuff, like added users and /etc/fstab18:53
^Ocean^cycom:  Try useing an older kernel ?18:54
cycom^Ocean^: same kernel as the livecd18:54
Jorl17could someone tell me where firefox comes installed as default?18:54
cycom^Ocean^: I've run no updates.  Before, I had a fully updated system.  I just reinstalled.18:54
Jorl17i knew that...3 days ago...now i can't remember18:54
cycom^Ocean^: the fully updated system had the same problem.18:54
cycomIdentical, in fact.18:55
^Ocean^russ@Aqualung:/lib/modules$ which firefox18:55
^Ocean^/usr/bin/firefox18:55
^Ocean^cycom, hmm im out of ideas, i have never goten suspend too work for me ever18:56
Jorl17hm...can't find firefox there18:56
cycomIt's the darndest thing.  On the livecd, I hit suspend, and it suspends happily, just as it does in the full install.  When I resume, the livecd quickly returns to X, but the install does not...18:56
Jorl17strange18:56
x1250Jorl17: try $ locate firefox  | grep "\/usr"18:56
^Ocean^Jorl17: type which firefox18:57
praboyHi18:57
x1250I guess he doesn't mean the firefox binary18:57
Jorl17oh yes thats it18:57
Jorl17i mean the directory where the plugins folder is18:57
cycomI just suspended and resumed from the livecd, and it didn't even drop my ssh session :/18:57
Jorl17because all those commands directed me to /use/bin/firefox^^18:58
jbroomessh is awesome that way18:58
cycomjbroome: true that :)18:58
^Ocean^Jorl17, Plug ins are usuealy in ur home directory18:58
Jorl17now this is messing me: cd <Firefox installation directory>/plugins18:59
Jorl17why can't I just find it arg18:59
^Ocean^Jorl17, ~/.mozilla/plugins18:59
Jorl17thankyou all that was it18:59
praboyHi19:00
praboyi'm on Ubuntu 8.04. My motherboard is Asus M3A. The audio chipset is ALC883, and i cant hear. i speak spanish19:00
Fraeon_Sadly, the only Spanish I know is Rammstein lyrics: "te quiero puta"19:00
^Ocean^praboy : try "sudo alsaconf"19:00
x1250I know spanish, but he seems to know english, so...19:01
^Ocean^i thought Rammstein was German ?19:01
Fraeon_Rammstein is German, yes19:01
Fraeon_But they have a song in Spanish :P19:01
^Ocean^lol19:01
x1250:)19:01
praboyi'm am compiling the latest version of ALSA19:02
x1250praboy: did sound worked on the live-cd?19:02
praboyi didn't test it19:02
^Ocean^did you try running alsaconf ?19:02
praboynow, i am compiling the latest version of ALSA19:03
x1250are you sure its not a volume control issue?19:03
praboyyers19:03
praboyyes19:03
praboywell19:03
praboywait a minute19:03
^Ocean^id try running alsoconf before recompileing it19:03
praboyi am doing it now19:03
^Ocean^also are  u sure u have the permissions set right :)19:04
praboysudo: alsaconf: command not found19:04
praboy:S19:04
^Ocean^id also try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp19:04
DanaGWait, another possible cause of audio issues: PulseAudio.19:04
* cycom sighs19:04
cycomI just don't get this19:05
cycomwhy would suspend work fine on a livecd, then after installing to hard disk, not work?19:05
^Ocean^cycom, hmm, maybe a bad sector on the hard drive  ?19:05
praboyi installed Ubuntu from VMWARE19:05
praboyon Windows19:05
Fraeon_Okay, so running Xubuntu 8.04, and I can't connect to my wireless router19:05
cycom^Ocean^: It's using the same swap space for suspend19:05
praboybecause a didnt have any DVD19:06
praboyi can try reinstalling Ubuntu19:06
praboyfrom a DVD19:06
x1250praboy: you're running ubuntu on vmare and dont have sound in there?19:06
praboyno19:06
praboyi'm running ubuntu native19:06
x1250ok19:06
cycom^Ocean^: actually, it's suspending to ram anyhow...19:06
praboybut i installed ubuntu from VMWARE19:06
cycom^Ocean^: and don't forget, it resumes, just Xorg and keyboard don't work unless I kill them and restart them.19:06
cycom^Ocean^: I can still ssh in19:06
Fraeon_I don't know whether I have an issue with keyrings (can't find them), but for one, the wireless worked when I briefly disabled WPA. When WPA is disabled, however, it refuses the password even though it's correct (using the same password on 2 other machines).19:07
^Ocean^hmm, are u sure you dont just have too switch back too the right terminal ?19:07
Fraeon_Sorry, "when WPA is enabled"19:08
Fraeon_on the second sentence19:08
^Ocean^alt+f7 or f8 ?19:08
praboyi dont kown what i can do19:08
cycom^Ocean^: tried it :/ keyboard is completely unresponsive19:08
x1250praboy: take a look to log files on /var/log19:09
^Ocean^but when you kill X  the keybored comes back >?19:09
cycom^Ocean^: yup.19:09
x1250$ dmesg also can say something19:09
cycom^Ocean^: and remember, Xorg is using 100% cpu19:09
cycom^Ocean^: this is regardless of graphics driver.  I've used ati, vesa, and fglrx, all with identical results.19:09
praboyi can reinstall Ubuntu19:10
praboyfrom a CD19:10
praboywhat do you think?19:10
x1250praboy: better try a live-cd and see if you got sound in there19:10
praboyOk19:10
praboyThanks x1250 ! ;)19:10
x1250if yes, then reinstall, or debug it, whatever it fits you :P19:10
^Ocean^cycom, hmm,  id try an older kernel just too be suure19:10
cycomFraeon_: what driver are you using for wireless?19:10
praboyok19:11
praboyThanks19:11
cycom^Ocean^: like I said, it's the exact same kernel version from the liveCD XD19:11
Fraeon_Whatever came by default in Xubuntu19:11
praboy"Chau y muchas gracias !!!"19:11
Fraeon_How do I check that?19:11
x1250chao praboy que estes bien :P19:11
cycom^Ocean^: diff says they are identical!19:11
praboy:P19:11
^Ocean^id try an older one anyhow19:11
cycom^Ocean^: you mean like a gutsy kernel?19:12
^Ocean^yeah19:12
Fraeon_Hmh, I'll try switching sticks whether that helps19:13
a_l_ehello. can anybody help me, getting xorg to recognise my monitor/graphic card? i can use it with gnome, but the X11 configuration file is "empty"19:14
a_l_ei have a  Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 with (from dmesg) a 965GM chipset19:15
x1250a_l_e: try # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg19:15
^Ocean^if you can use it whats the problem ??19:15
x1250it shouldn't be empty, AFAIK19:16
^Ocean^the new x.org has a pritty empty config file19:16
x1250yeah but pretty empty != empty19:16
a_l_ex1250: it's not empty.... but there is nothing "special in it..."19:16
hwildewhat is apt doing between when it prints "Reading state information.. Done"  and the next prompt?  It is taking forever19:16
^Ocean^a_l_e: Is Xwindows functioning ?19:16
x1250ok, then its working a_l_e19:16
a_l_ex1250: empty != "empty"19:16
gunashekarmy gnome panels freeze after recent update19:17
a_l_ex1250: it's working, but gdm gets the wrong resolution19:17
^Ocean^thats a gdm issue then :)19:17
x1250try adding vertical and horizontal refresh rates a_l_e19:17
x1250read your monitor's manual19:17
gunashekaranyone can suggest how to troubleshoot the problem (gnome panels freeze after a while and am not able to do anything except work in the current window)19:19
a_l_eand when i start another window manager i have the feeling that it doesn't use the full resolution (i'm not sure, since i've never used this monitor and computer before...)19:19
x1250a_l_e: probably refresh rates missing...19:19
b4l74z4rcorrection: it seem that the latest updates haven't resolved horizontal tearing in videos in totem when compiz is enabled after all19:19
x1250b4l74z4r: fglrx?19:20
b4l74z4rnvidia geforce 8800gt, latest drivers19:20
hwildecould someone please try this command:   apt-get remove --purge belocs-locales-bin19:20
x1250:O, I thought that was an ati only issue19:21
a_l_ei'll try to add the refresh rates...19:21
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binarical-ap1hwilde: it works !!!19:23
binarical-ap1dpkg - warning: while removing language-pack-en-base, directory `/var/lib/locales/supported.d' not empty so not removed.19:24
binarical-ap1dpkg - warning: while removing language-pack-en-base, directory `/var/lib/locales' not empty so not removed.19:24
hwildeThe following packages have unmet dependencies:19:24
hwilde  locales: Depends: belocs-locales-bin (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed19:24
hwildeE: Broken packages19:24
binarical-ap1r wise it worked jusothet fine19:24
hwildewhy does it care about dependencies if i'm telling it remove --purge19:24
a_l_eis there a way to know the resolution used by X1119:25
binarical-ap1perhaps its a but in the language pack19:25
Fraeon_For whatever reason, switching sticks helped19:25
binarical-ap1*bug19:25
Fraeon_Both have drivers for Windows, so I'm not complaining, though19:25
binarical-ap1i dont know19:26
Fraeon_It's just picking whether you want your apps half-translated from Dutch or Chinese19:26
x1250hwilde, that looks ok to me...19:26
Fraeon_I wish I were kidding19:27
hwildehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63554/19:27
dwidmannIs there any good way to track down the cause of a system hanging?19:27
x1250locales19:27
x1250Depends: belocs-locales-bin (>= 2.4-2.2ubuntu2), tzdata19:27
josehi, i'm having problems with hardy. I keep seening ata exceptions at the dmesg, new motherboard and new drive, could it be the kernel?19:27
b4l74z4rthe tearing in totem seem to be related to me launching a game in wine while totem was on pause; when i quit the game and restarted totem there were no more tearing19:27
josei've seen this errors with differnt hard disk19:28
binarical-ap1b4l74z4r: ive had similar issues with compiz while useing wine games and vlc19:28
b4l74z4rok19:29
binarical-ap1blue screens ...... flashing screens..... i got rid of compiz now, everything seems to be running okay19:30
hwildedwidmann, did you get all the updates19:30
b4l74z4rperhaps some conflicting vsync settings19:30
x1250try adding Option "TextureVideo" "On", or "Off" (I dont remember) to section device19:30
dwidmannhwilde: most of them .... I'm just trying to track down the cause of the hang ... can't file a bug if I don't know what did it.19:30
x1250I _think_ I used that on my laptop and videos got fixed. Although my problem was flickering19:31
orvokkiHmm, appears there is an /etc/init.d/pulseaudio. Maybe it's possible to disable it after all.19:31
hwildedwidmann,  you should get all of the updates...  the syslog doesn't provide any clues?19:32
a_l_e^Ocean^, x1250: mmmh... 915resolution seems to be a way to go... "let's" try it!19:33
josei've rebooted to test this hd problem with gutsy, but gutsy won't even boot19:34
josei've also tried with and without achi, but no luck. any idea?19:35
hwildedo you get an error or anything19:36
josei get ata exceptions on dmesg and syslog19:36
hwildehow do you see dmesg or syslog if it "won't boot"19:36
josegutsy won't boot, hardy boots and behaves more or less ok, but it freezes19:37
binarical-ap1i think hes talking about a boot screen .....erorrs19:38
Jorl17Hello, I'm back, sorry but I had some problems and Had to disconnect19:38
hwildejose, did you get all the updates ?19:38
x1250jose: did you try fsck on the drive?19:38
Jorl17i'm downloading the virtualbox .deb package...19:38
a_l_e:-( i don't have the feeling that it got the right resolution. but i don't konw a way to test it...19:39
LamegoJorl17, virtualbox is available on the repositories19:39
josei was working with a hardy install up to date, but the main partition filesystem has died, now i'm booting with a live-cd in and a different hd19:39
x1250Lamego: virtualbox-ose is on the repos19:39
orvokkiYays, just found out the right way to disable PulseAudio. :)19:39
Lamegoops :P19:39
hwildea_l_e, download a picture from google and you can see the image resolution and then see if it looks right19:39
josei've found some related bugs in ubuntu bugs, but nothing to clear.19:40
richardsharing broken in the current beta, right?19:40
x1250jose, try useing smart on your drive19:41
x1250aptitude search smartmontools19:41
x1250search google on how to use it19:41
josewhat's smart?19:41
x1250it will test your drive for problems19:41
josei will thaks19:41
jaffarkelshacis there speed control for movie player? mine is playing in slow motion and i dont remember ding that19:41
a_l_eok, found a way to know the resolution... and it's not the right one.19:41
x1250a_l_e: whats your monitor?19:41
a_l_e... the monitor is telling it under the information on screen menu19:41
a_l_esyncmaster 2043bw19:42
x1250and the correct resolution doesn't appear?19:42
x1250jose, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Monitor_your_hard_disk(s)_with_smartmontools19:43
josethanks19:43
a_l_ex1250: in gnome yes (i had to fight to set it through system/preferences/screen resolution)19:43
a_l_e... but if i start a second xsession, i get the wrong ones.19:43
x1250uhm, strange.19:44
Jorl17x1250, when you get free, I'll be installing the package now19:44
x1250go on, try dpkg -i with it19:45
x1250see if it complains about missing dependencies19:45
Arandwhat project should one file bugs in suspend-wakeup against?19:47
hwildewhere are my "locale" settings and how do I check them :/19:48
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HICdo the daily cd builds work good?19:48
Jorl17well, it's installed19:48
josehi, smartctl -H says that the disk is healthy, but the errors in dmesg are still there19:48
joseany other idea, I think that it could be a kernel problem, do you think that's likely?19:50
x1250jose, make sure you have linux-headers-`uname -r` installed19:50
Jorl17ok, so how do i get my windows os here now?19:50
Jorl17i'm in virtualbox already19:50
x1250ok, but you must do some things first.19:50
x1250add your user to vboxusers19:51
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x1250# adduser your_user vboxusers19:51
josei've have no linux-headers installed, because i'm on a live-cd, my main system died because of this.19:51
x1250aah, jose, sorry, that was not for you :$19:51
x1250it was for Jorl1719:52
jose;)19:52
Jorl17done19:52
x1250Ok, you'll have to reboot now19:52
hwildereboot?  this is linux19:52
Jorl17ok19:53
x1250yep, maybe there is another way, but I don't know it.19:53
Jorl17reboot or logoff and login?19:53
x1250reboot19:53
Jorl17ok19:53
Jorl17brb19:53
a_l_emmmh... i'll try to ask in the xorg channel...19:54
Centaur5Which directory would I purge to delete all the settings in Kontact?  I already tried .kde/share/apps/kmail19:55
Jorl17i'm back and rebooted19:56
x1250ok, you'll have to make a new virtual machine, there is new button in the toolbar19:57
Jorl17ok i'm there19:57
Jorl17i select a name, select windows xp and move on right?19:57
x1250yep, go on19:58
Jorl17ok, so i'm now in the harddisk selection19:58
x1250you'll have to create a new hard disk19:59
Jorl17dynamic or fix?19:59
Jorl17this will allow me to share files right? and use my existent xp right?19:59
x1250Uhm, nope, this will be a brand new xp installation. I don't know if virtualbox can use an existing partition... google it20:00
x1250I dont have a separate windows partition, so I dont know that20:00
Jorl17erm...ok but waht I meant was actually using my existing partition...hm...ok let's move on then20:01
Jorl17ill choose a dynamic20:01
x1250Jorl17: see if this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60300320:02
Jorl17ok, so now it's just putting the cd in and so, I think i can handle myself from now, thanks!20:02
Jorl17ok i'm opening it20:02
edajaii just made a bootable usb disk of hardy n booted to it.. bu ti can't c my windows partition in the manual partition option while installing20:03
hwildewhen I use apt for anything, it tells me   perl: warning: Setting locale failed20:04
edajaiis this a bug in the hardy installer?20:04
hwildeperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings are supported and installed on your system20:04
hwildelocale:  Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory20:05
mrtimdogThe gconf key '/system/smb/workgroup'. Which app is used to set this, if any?20:05
hwildebut I checked with dpkg and it says perl and locale are all installed20:05
bullgard4[Tracker] Why does Tracker return results with 'track' and 'cdrom_count_tracks' although I searched for the 'tracker' catchword?20:06
mrtimdoghwilde: Use 'locale -a' to list installed locales.20:06
hwildemrtimdog, locale:  Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory20:06
x1250hwilde, if I'm not mistaken, you'll have to check if you got language-pack-en-base and language-pack-en, but I'm not sure20:06
hwildemrtimdog, locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale:  No such file or directory20:07
hwildemrtimdog, then at the bottom it says   C    POSIX20:07
mrtimdoghwilde: Try installing 'language-support-en'. You've only the 'C' locale installed.20:08
hwildebut that includes 30MB of stuff like open office and all this other junk20:08
mrtimdoghwilde: Or, whichever language you're after, it doesn't have to be ...-en.20:09
tatsterHi all.  I downloaded the server version of 8.04 beta about a week or so ago and have popped it on a test box.  Will I need to do much once the full release occurs, or will any updates come down with a normal apt-get update ?20:09
hwildewhy does language-support-en include openoffice ??20:09
hwildeand mozilla thunderbird20:09
hwildeI don't even have these things installed20:09
x1250hwilde, crappy dependencies if you aks me, that shouldn't be like that, but packagers call IMO20:09
x1250but/bad20:09
mrtimdoghwilde: Try just 'language-pack-en'.20:10
hwildeit's going to take up 285MB of diskspace20:10
hwildemrtimdog, I did that...   "apt-get install language-pack-en"20:10
Jorl17Hey, i think it worked!20:10
x1250Jorl17: with your existing partition?20:10
edajaii cudn't c my windows partition while installing ubuntu hardy20:11
Jorl17well, i'm trying, it found my bootloader20:11
Jorl17selected winxp but it isn't booting20:11
x1250hwilde, take a look to $ aptitude show language-pack-en, to see depends20:11
Jorl17i'll try and fix these things20:11
hwildeit's including aspell, libcurl, gtk stuff, xwindows stuff, open office, whiptail, wbritish...  I don't need this stuff20:12
keanuis there any reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-all?20:12
edajaiit showed my 160 gb hdd as a whole free space20:12
x1250yeah, bad packager (lazy one) call20:12
hwildeI guess that explains how I lost my locale tho, when I removed open office20:13
DanaGedajai: try installing TestDisk on your Ubuntu, and run it on the hard drive.20:14
DanaGIt's a utility that can "magically" fix partition tables.20:14
x1250It happened the same to me on my laptop, but I managed somehow to get locales and not have wbritish and family... I get my laptop back in a couple of days, I'll see then how I have it there20:14
edajaioh.. apt-get testdisk will do right?20:14
Jorl17hm it's booting now20:15
Jorl17reread part of the document and found my flaw20:15
Jorl17here it is my modded windows xp booting :)20:15
keanuanyone know why -alsa is installed by default instead of -all or -pulseaudio?20:15
x1250Jorl17: great :)20:15
x1250keanu: gutsy upgrade?20:16
hwildeadvanced linux sound architecture rules20:16
keanux1250, nope, new install20:16
macogwhardy's supposed to go all-SVG now instead of using pngs for everything, right?20:16
macogwlike for icons and all20:16
keanufrom what i've seen, programs using libsdl that require sound will either segfault or not output sound without that package20:17
macogwhow do you make svgs go with xdg-icon-resource.   the internet says xdg-icon-resource doesnt support svg20:17
keanuhowever, some programs such as the rockbox simulator aren't available in deb form and therefore can't have libsdl1.2debian-all or -pulseaudio as a dependency, and would segfaults when trying to play music20:18
keanui was just wondering if there's a reason (other than the package being overlooked) as to why libsdl1.2debian-all or -pulseaudio aren't installed by default20:18
x1250keanu: are any of those two packages needed by any other ubuntu package installed by default on a clean hardy installation?20:19
keanux1250, if you can tell me a way to search for default packages requiring either of those, i can check20:20
bastid_raZorif gutsy is the current OS i have.. can the LiveCD be used to upgrade or do i still need to get the alternateCD?20:20
macogwbastid_raZor: alternate or internet20:21
bastid_raZormacogw; will the LiveCD ever be able to upgrade?20:21
macogwi doubt it20:21
keanux1250, but since pulseaudio is the default sound system, it would seem as if libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio should be used by default instead of -alsa20:21
macogwmaybe if they got rid of wubi and the foss-for-windows thats on it20:22
bastid_raZorokay, possibly are the LiveCD and alternate going to be combined?20:22
macogwthe DVD has them combined20:22
bastid_raZorokay, that helps.20:22
a_l_ex1250, ^Ocean^: if you think it could help, i've summerized here my current tries: http://www.ideale.ch/computer/man/minipc.html20:22
bastid_raZorthen technically if i have the DVD i can upgrade from 7.1020:22
macogwthe packages just dont fit, i think.  the livecd doesnt really do things apt-like...its more of a disk image copy thing20:23
macogwi think so, yes20:23
bastid_raZorreason i ask is when upgraded to 7.10 i was trying to keep my /home which on a seperate partition but the migration assistant failed.. mainly i want a fresh install of 8.04 and keep my current /home .. i was unable to do this in 7.10 (migration assistant failure)20:24
afallenhopehey everything jsut froze on me... I can't click anywhere...20:25
x1250keanu: maybe $ grep -r "Depends" /var/lib/apt/lists | grep package_here20:25
x1250untested20:25
afallenhoperunning ubuntu 8.04 hardy heron20:25
hwildeafallenhope, is your mouse unplugged from the usb port20:25
linkinxphi20:25
afallenhopehwilde: no... it works.. i mean I can't click on anything.. I went to adjust the time...20:26
afallenhopeand it froze20:26
gunashekarafallenhope: is it that only your panels are frozen .. can you work on the open applications?20:26
hwildeafallenhope, metacity --replace20:26
afallenhopegunashekar: yeah the panels are all frozen but I have this open20:27
afallenhopeI don't know if I can load a terminal window even20:27
gunashekarafallenhope: yes the problem is same as mine... related to the gnome clock... after i set the weather20:27
x1250a_l_e: maybe there is some special xorg package for your display driver.20:28
afallenhopeokay... how do I fix it20:28
afallenhopelol20:28
x1250Right now using vesa driver?20:28
gunashekarafallenhope: wish i knew.. some ppl suggest disabling the calender in evolution.. dunno how to do that20:28
afallenhopegunashekar: I don't even know how to go to the account configuration page in evolutions20:29
gunashekarafallenhope: some others suggest crtl-alt-backspc and this makes the panels disappear20:29
gunashekarso i have to restart again after that20:30
gunashekareverything works fine as long as i dont touch the clock/calendar/weather20:30
josehi, again! i've realized that my problem with the ata exceptions maybe related with ncq, do you know how to disable ncq?20:30
afallenhopelol.20:30
phelddoes anyone know what's wrong with the nvidia-driver on 8000-cards?  The driver from the hardy-repo gives pinkish shadows around windows and menus. The same version driver from nvidia.com compiled and installed manually shows no such problem.20:31
x1250jose, whats ncq?20:31
gunashekarafallenhope: my problems dont end there with hardy20:31
josefrom wikipedia: "Native Command Queuing (NCQ) is a technology designed to increase performance of SATA hard disks"20:32
jadamsalright, so I'm running hardy.  In the past I was running non-ubuntu-derived nvidia drivers.  Now I'd like to use the ubuntu sanctioned ones.  Can anyone give me a clue how I would go about this?20:32
joseit seems that some disks do not support ncq, but they say they do. They can be blacklisted patching the kernel, but i'm no in the mood.20:33
joseI think i read somewhere that there's a way to dissable ncq without recompiling the kernel, but i just don't remember...20:33
strabesthis has probably been asked a million times today, but there's nothing in the topic about it, so when is the release candidate coming out?20:34
Lamegotomorrow20:34
strabesit still says apr. 17 on the release schedule...?20:35
keanux1250, the only package that depends on libsdl1.2debian-* is libsdl1.2debian, in which case, wouldn't that mean that there wouldn't be a problem with switching the default of -alsa with -pulseaudio or -all?20:35
jadamsx1250, hate that graphics card much/20:36
x1250:)20:36
josei've just found how to know if ncq is on. cat /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth20:36
jadamsdo you have a Toshiba?20:36
jadamsx1250, I've got the Toshiba Satellite that has both that card as well as a weirdo unsupported internal usb wireless card...it's so wonky20:37
jadamsinstabilities between those two drivers cause me no end of trouble20:37
jadamsAnyway, no one knows how to uninstall my nvidia drivers so I can use ubuntu's supported stuff?20:37
x1250jadams: it works ok in here, I can play nexuiz, and thats enough for me :)20:39
x1250also compiz works awesome :)20:39
kreativeSo the other day I updated to 8.04 beta and now for some reason when I try to load XP, it asks for a disckcheck, which goes smootly, then i just get a screen with the default background, and no login interface. what gives?20:39
jadamsx1250, it works so so for me...the graphics are nice, but the stability isn't there20:40
Redhammer_the_Olhi20:40
Redhammer_the_Olwill rc be out today20:40
x1250jadams: what are your problems?20:40
Redhammer_the_Ol?20:40
pheldjadams: the nvidia-package has an uninstall option20:40
x1250jose20:41
pheldex: sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run --uninstall20:41
kreativeanyone have a solution?20:41
x1250jose, found it here: http://linux-ata.org/faq.html20:41
jadamspheld, thanks a ton20:41
josh04Anyone know why my brightness keys have abandonned me lately? Other hotkeys, fine. Brightness does nothing, still registers in /var/log/acpid though20:42
Arand!repeat20:46
ubotuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience20:46
hwilde!keytouch | josh0420:47
ubotujosh04: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts20:47
Arandoh sorry wasn't meant for anybody20:48
x1250ping jose20:48
x1250aaa he left20:49
cvd-prany havong problems wiht the aupdates of openoffice?20:49
Arandwhat project should one file bugs in suspend-wakeup against?20:49
cvd-prits say cant fetch all the updates of openoffice20:49
cvd-prany having the same problem?20:49
kreativeno0tic, but i keep getting open office updates everytime i try to update.20:50
murlidharhas the release candidate 1 been released?20:51
josh04hwilde: I don't think it's the keyboard layout, the key presses register in acpid as VideoBrightnessUp/Down, just nothing happens : /20:51
josh04Arand: You mean like, sleep and hibernate?20:51
x1250murlidhar: topic says beta20:51
cvd-prcan someone check this please!  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63565/20:52
hwildejosh04,  did you try the keytouch package ?20:52
murlidharx1250: yes but i saw in some blog that release candidate has been released but i couldn't the iso anywhere. that's why i was asking .  Thanks20:52
cvd-pr?20:53
bullgard4[Tracker] Why does Tracker return results with 'track' and 'cdrom_count_tracks' although I searched for the 'tracker' catchword?20:53
cvd-prhey20:54
murlidharx1250: http://cybernetnews.com/2008/04/17/daily-downloads-firefox-feeddemon-and-more/20:55
kreativehow can i clean my grub screen up20:55
murlidharkreative: my best bet would be startup-manager20:56
* murlidhar is not sure when beta would make his internet work by default20:57
x1250kreative: clean it == delete old kernel boot lines?20:57
kreativestartup-manager works with 8.0420:57
kreativethat was a question by the way.20:58
murlidharhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC20:58
murlidharwhat does this mean20:58
peeps[work]i am trying to run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" , and it goes to a text mode, where the last line says "* Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)       [ OK ]"      but it seems stuck here20:58
murlidharhasn't the RC released?20:58
peeps[work]anyone know what might be the issue?20:58
murlidharpeeps[work]: does ctrl+alt+backspace work ?20:59
peeps[work]murlidhar, yes, but i am writing a script which i need this command to work for21:00
x1250kreative: is that a package?21:00
cvd-prWhy the hell openjdk is in the ubuntu-updates?21:00
savvasmurlidhar: tomorrow21:00
x1250you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst tho21:00
kreativex1250, ill just do that.21:00
murlidharsavvas: thanks21:00
kreativethanks21:00
cvd-pri dont want it21:00
peeps[work]murlidhar, it toggles between dual monitor and single monitor xorg.conf files21:00
murlidharoh ok21:00
peeps[work]i'm trying to make the process as simple as possible, to switch these two modes21:01
b4l74z4ri run konversation in ubuntu hardy and each time i connect to a server, a taskbar entry pops up reading "launching knotify", it stays for a few seconds, then goes away, anyone got any idea what that's all about?21:02
Arandjosh04: yea, specifically the wakeup process from suspend, do you know which project(s) handling that?21:02
bahamadaHi, I upgraded from Gutsy yesterday to Hardy RC and just wondering where the red line in the main menu is. In the beta it was still there..21:02
bahamadaThe red vertical line on the left21:02
x1250lol21:02
x1250the theme? it isn't there anymore, it looked cool though21:03
bahamadadon't know if it is a part of the theme...21:03
bahamadabut I really was keen on that look21:03
juliankx1250: Murrine theme is back again since 0.1521:04
x1250Well, yep I don't know either, just assumed21:04
bahamadajuliank: have murrine active21:04
bahamadaand the mouse over looks the same21:04
juliankTwo days after it was removed in 0.1421:04
bahamadabut only the red vertical bar is missing21:05
juliankbahamada: This part seems to be gone21:05
bahamadahow can I get it back? :)21:05
x1250lol21:05
juliankI didn't like it21:05
peeps[work]is there some way to tell what it is stuck on?21:05
bahamadaI like21:05
peeps[work]i am able to switch to a TTY while it sits there21:05
x1250I loved it, but since its gone I changed to Murrine Compact from gnome-look.org21:06
x1250awesome theme, dark and light versions21:06
bahamadatake a look into it21:06
bahamadahmm21:07
bahamadaI don't like to small lines. Thats what I like on the human themes21:08
bahamadathe fat lines21:08
bahamadaIt looks more solid21:08
x1250padding for menus options? I prefer small menus21:09
x1250once you get used to it, you'll never get back :P21:09
x1250but its an odd sensation at the beginning21:10
josh04Arand: pm-utils is your best bet, i think.21:10
bahamadafor example in the firefox the drop-down arrow in teh adress bar is to thin21:10
bahamadabut in the normal human the menus to ugly21:10
bahamada:(21:10
x1250yeah, I thought the same way bahamada, but now I'm a better person, this theme improves your humanity. Try out for a couple of days, heh21:11
Alan_MQuestion:when is the RC of hardy supposed to be?21:11
bahamadaok I will give it a try21:12
bahamadahttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Murrine+Compact?content=78182 this?21:12
taconewith hardy I sometimes experience system freezes. (nothing to do, power button or alt+sysrq+reis..). how to debug ? what logs should I read ?21:12
cvd-prestoy esperando21:13
peter77after uninstalling kde it is still in the list at login when I choose a different DM, how can I remove it from the list?21:13
x1250bahamada: yep. I'm using Murrine Compact Dark Human, its good for my eyes. Pretty awesome theme once you get used to it. This theme plus compiz == excellent21:14
peeps[work]what runlevel does X run in on Ubuntu?21:14
bahamadax1250: where do I get dark human21:15
bahamadamurrine colors?21:15
cvd-prHow to go in text mode?21:15
peeps[work]someone told me /etc/init.d/gdm needs to be run at the correct runlevel?21:15
cvd-prctrl +????21:15
bahamadaok21:15
bahamadaallright21:15
x1250bahamada: nope, the download link provides a tar.gz with several themes in one package21:15
x1250download link: http://gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=78182&id=1&tan=9833071921:15
bahamadaI have seen it21:15
bahamadawas to slow21:16
bahamada;)21:16
bahamadapretty cool21:16
eagles0513875anyone alive in here21:16
bahamadax1250: maybe needs some time to get used to it21:16
bahamadabut I like it21:16
eagles0513875im trying to download gnome so i can help bug fix gnome bugs but for some reason i get this weird message when using apt-get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/21:17
x1250bahamada: yep, couple of days and then switch back to the "normal" theme, and you'll say, "OMG, I want my dark murrine again right now"21:17
bahamadax1250: hehe thanks.21:18
jimmygoonThe original betas were much more stable than firefox 3 is now :(21:19
x1250yeah ff has a couple of annoying bugs with flash right now21:20
Arandjosh04: okay cheers, 'll have a look at that.21:20
eagles0513875anyone able to help me with this issue that im having http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/21:20
=== Alan_M is now known as Clue_by_4
cvd-prIts there a way to view the windows password from ubuntu?21:22
americanwhy do i have two entries for hardy heron in my GRUB?21:22
americani just did a fresh install21:22
eagles0513875american: once should be a recovery21:22
eagles0513875and one the main kernel and thats the usually the one on the top of the list21:22
americanyup.  i'm seeing that repeated too21:23
americani see 2 regular ubuntu and 2 recovery ubuntu21:23
cvd-prWhy the Hell the ubuntu updates has openjdk?21:23
eagles0513875interesting and u just did a clean install21:23
Clue_by_4clean install..double entries in menu...that IS odd.21:23
americanyup21:24
Clue_by_4did you happen to update or something?21:24
americancan i just edit some file and remove it?21:24
x1250eagles0513875: you have two options: 1) install gnome-desktop-environment, or 2) get rid of "gnome" package (nothing bad will happen), its just a metapackage. I dont have any of the two packages installed, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment. But its your call.21:24
americani did do a update after i installed21:24
american405 updates or so21:24
Clue_by_4sure, you could do that......21:24
kreativemy windows will not boot for some reason after a hardy upgrade, it goes through the windows boot screen, but then freezes and i just see the background image. i do have full mouse control though. just nothing i can do.21:24
Clue_by_4...update shouldnt have doubled the grub menu though....21:24
eagles0513875x1250: im a bug fixer seems like tons of bugs out for gnome and since im using kde would like to have it for helping fix bugs21:24
Clue_by_4weird!21:25
eagles0513875american: try this suod apt-get autoremove21:25
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eagles0513875it will remove any redundent pkgs and kernels21:25
Clue_by_4american : sudo apt-get autoremove21:25
bewstHi, For the last 3 days I've been pounding on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/121653 which seemed to be fixed at one point, but is failing for me again since accepting further updates.  Does anyone know if the devs are watching this issue?21:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:25
Clue_by_4mine works, eagles0513875 doesnt, (due to typo i caught) :)21:26
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: lol sry im dead today im off to bed soon21:26
x1250eagles0513875: I don't know if your situation is a generalized one, since I uninstalled those two packages after I installed hardy, inmediatly21:26
Clue_by_4no biggie bud, just making sure we didnt have a confused user :)21:26
eagles0513875x1250: im going to try it out im on m dev machine so no biggie reinstalling21:27
x1250try removing them, they're of no use, really.21:27
eagles0513875x1250: ok21:27
x1250just metapackages for "ease of use", but If you dont need tomboy or other packages from "gnome" package, then is safe to uninstall it21:27
josh04Does anyone here know *a lot* about making sleep work? I've tried all the usual ways, and a fair few unusual ones.21:28
eagles0513875x1250: im still getting that message when i use apt-get to install gde21:29
bewstjosh04: I know *a lot* about wasting time trying to make sleep work ;-)21:29
bewstSee above where I mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/12165321:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]21:30
x1250eagles0513875: did you # aptitude purge gnome gnome-desktop-environment, first?21:30
eagles0513875x1250: no21:30
bewstjosh04: I've even had some moments of success.21:31
x1250eagles0513875: or install gnome-desktop-environment, any of those two solutions will make the error dissapear21:31
eagles0513875x1250: 1st one doesnt work21:32
josh04bewst: More than me then. My greatest success thus far has been a flash of hard disk light21:32
x1250eagles0513875: what does it say?21:32
bewstwhat graphics card and driver are you using?21:32
eagles0513875same msg as before 2nd seems to work21:32
x1250ok, fine then21:32
Clue_by_4guys, isnt hardy supposed to go "stable" like...in...a week?21:32
eagles0513875ya on the 24th21:33
x1250it will be released.... like in a week :P21:33
Clue_by_4we still got a lot of bugs to iron out...have no clue how were gonna pull that miracle off.21:33
spikebwhat about the RC?21:33
eagles0513875they out for testing21:34
bewstAre there any ubuntu devs here?  I really want to know if my efforts are going to waste on this fglrx/suspend bug21:34
Clue_by_4the rc's out?21:34
eagles0513875ya21:34
josh04bewst: intel 965, intel driver, but i don't think mines a graphics issue. the hard disk spins up then immediately spins down again when I resume21:34
spikebit's supposed to be today Clue_by_421:34
Clue_by_4where can I get it? its the beta link?21:34
bewstjosh04: Oh, sorry, disks have never been my problem, so I don't know anything in that area.21:35
Clue_by_4im looking..im looking...hrrrmmm21:35
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: no its a link to daily build21:35
eagles0513875ask in teh #kubuntu-devel21:35
josh04bewst: might not be the disk, might be a hard crash. can't tell either way because there are no logs :P21:36
bewstjosh04: sorry, that's not my area of expertise21:36
rinaldi_hi all. I have a game controller assigned to /dev/input/js1  . is there a way to get it working with wine games?21:37
josh04bewst: Doesn't matter. I'm pretty much hoping a kernel update at some point will magically fix everything now :P21:37
Keulehi guys21:37
eagles0513875x1250: at the rate im going with with gnome im probably going to bork everything21:37
eagles0513875x1250:21:38
Keulei have a q. using splashy - does anybody knows something?21:38
eagles0513875x1250: nm answered my own question21:38
Clue_by_4eagles, thanks, i found it...had to do some digging but ultimately found it.21:38
josh04Keule: Ask away21:38
Keulewhen i want to install it - synaptics wants to uninstall ubunt-desktop, usplash,  - is there any problem? josh0421:39
x1250hardy nightly builds http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/21:39
eagles0513875yep thats it21:39
Clue_by_4yep :)21:40
josh04Keule: No, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, does nothing. Usplash is the normal splash manager, they conflict21:40
x1250that should be on the topic :(21:40
Keuleok but ubuntu starts without usplash21:40
peeps[work]argh, i can't get X to restart from a script21:40
Keulei dont have the prob of a complete crash...21:40
shadow420I am waiting for the Release to come out which is !hardy21:40
americanso glad that hardy supports my ati x140021:40
eagles0513875where is a gpg key stored so i can take a backup of it21:40
shadow420!hardy21:40
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu21:40
americannow if only my fan wouldn't run so loud constantly21:41
eagles0513875shadow420: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/21:41
x1250american: yeah, x1400 works very very nice on hardy21:41
x1250I have it on my laptop21:41
eagles0513875shadow420: those r the release clients21:41
Clue_by_4shadow, its...out i thought21:41
josh04Keule: Without usplash you'll just get a black screen boot, but it should still boot21:41
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63564/21:41
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: not that21:41
Keuleok josh04 thx - ill try21:41
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/21:41
kreativemy laptop is getting really hot for some reason21:41
Keulekeep on rockin! i like hardy ;o)21:41
americanso when ubuntu 8.04-LTS is released will it just be a matter of installing updates to upgrade?21:41
Clue_by_4eagles, you pointed me there, im already downloading it :D21:41
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: kool21:42
x1250american: thats the way, yes21:42
eagles0513875get helping making kubuntu the best distro out there21:42
josh04Keule: good luck :)21:42
shadow420eagles0513875 I rather get a CD of hardy I am currently using Kubuntu Hardy Beta21:42
x1250kubuntu hardy comes with kde4?21:43
eagles0513875shadow420: same here those r the daily release clients21:43
Clue_by_4american, when hardy goes completely stable..i mean..when we even get past the RC..and on to the actual release DATE......all you have to do is run update-manager and you will be completely up to date.21:43
eagles0513875x1250: dont think so kde4 is still lacking lots of functionality21:43
Clue_by_4that was wasted bandwith :/21:44
Clue_by_4lol21:44
x1250eagles0513875: yep, I used kde4 till a week ago on debian lenny/sid/experimental in my desktop, but fell in love with compiz, so I wipe it out21:44
Clue_by_4compiz is da bomb!21:44
shadow420but I am planing on switching back to Gnome I think KDE is just to a pain for me to re-learn a new desktop21:44
eagles0513875x1250: i had compiz working before i borked my previous install21:44
Clue_by_4KDE is pretty sexy, but...its...i hate to say the word...bloated.21:45
_max_im having problems with the installer setting the partition table to GPT21:45
x1250what I REALLY miss about kde4 is the console integration with dolphin. I really think nautilus should have something like that21:45
_max_iv i enter console and use parted to change it the friggin installer changes it back to msdos21:45
shadow420too much much look anf feel of windows in my opinion21:45
_max_anyone know how to override the damn installer?21:45
x1250_max_: how is that?21:45
Clue_by_4shadow420 some people like that...dunno why.21:45
eagles0513875shadow420: true but u getting something much better than it and 2ndly when kde4 is out with a bang it will look more like mac osx21:46
_max_x1250 how is what?21:46
Clue_by_4shadow420 i left windows for a reason heh.21:46
_max_i have a 6tb drive, and msdos can only read 2tb21:46
_max_so i try to install 8.04 with GPT label, however there is no option in the installer to use any labels, it defaults to msdos21:46
_max_so before partitioning the disc i go in and change to gpt with parted.21:46
x1250Ah, well, I don't know21:46
_max_and its fine until i click [install]21:46
_max_the installer THEN changes teh friggin label to msdos again21:46
shadow420Clue_by_4 I still use windows but I want to keep linux and windows separated from each other21:47
shadow420_max_ go get a the gparted CD21:47
shadow420!gparted21:47
ubotuGParted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/21:47
Clue_by_4!gui21:47
ubotuThe graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)21:47
* Clue_by_4 is just covering bases :)21:48
shadow420_max_ | !gparted21:48
_max_shadow520 , and do what?21:48
x1250lol21:48
_max_there is no way to convert a msdos label to gpt21:48
_max_since its a 512byte vs 32kb mbr21:48
* Clue_by_4 debates on throwing a botabuse out there.21:48
shadow420_max_ GPT what the hell?21:49
_max_even if i change the label with a gparted cd (which i dont need) the ubuntu installer overrides it to msdos21:49
Temp0trying to boot 8.04 from CD to install on a HP ze4500 laptop. Are there any 'other options'I should add, since it seems never to get past loading gnome. TIA21:49
Clue_by_4omg, 1 hour of download...another 10 minutes of getting something so i can burn the iso.......im gonna be here a while :/21:49
eagles0513875ll21:49
_max_shadow420, i need gpt since the drive is 6tb21:49
_max_msdos only supports 2tb21:49
* Clue_by_4 puts head in hands21:49
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: dont feel bad my isp is such crap that i end up taking bout 4 hrs to downlaod the iso21:49
Clue_by_4omg, thats...yeah..now i dont feel so bad!21:50
Clue_by_4are you on dialup?!21:50
eagles0513875fo rkubuntu and about another 2 hrs fora 230mb patch21:50
x1250lol21:50
eagles0513875no 2mb cable connection with monthly download limits and restricted speeds during the day21:50
_max_so question is, how do i override the damn installer from changing to msdos label in the last minute?21:50
* Clue_by_4 does NOT miss dialup21:50
Clue_by_4eagles0513875: yeah, cox does that crap to me21:50
eagles0513875Clue_by_4: me neither back in teh states my parents got 5mb comcast connection21:50
shadow420eagles0513875 Clue_by_4 heh I am on DSL and it took me about 2 hours to download the Beta ISO of Hardy21:50
x1250_max_: try asking in debian, but dont say you're on ubuntu :)21:51
eagles0513875lol to me bout 4 5 hrs21:51
Temp0is there anything I cn specify in the 'other options' line to help me out?21:51
keanux1250, dunno if you saw my last message: the only package that depends on libsdl1.2debian-* is libsdl1.2debian, in which case, wouldn't that mean that there wouldn't be a problem with switching the default of -alsa with -pulseaudio or -all?21:52
_max_x1250 its not a linux problem, its a -ubuntu- installer problem21:52
_max_its nothing to do with gparted , parted or whatever.21:52
_max_its the actuall installer21:52
_max_anyone tried the alternate cd? anyone know what options are given when partitioning the discs?21:52
x1250did you try the alternate iso?21:52
_max_no im downloading it now21:52
eagles0513875_max_: i have tried it its like the normal cd installer but txt based21:53
eagles0513875same options and everything21:53
shadow420_max_ why do you need so much room?21:53
_max_shadow420, is this relevant :)?21:53
bassoanyone encountered problems with ubuntu 8.04 and firefox 3 beta 5 + flash videos = Crash21:54
shadow420_max_ not really just something that may help me figure out your problems21:54
x1250basso, thats a known issue21:54
eagles0513875basso: not i i would still report it to launchpad that way if someone has they can confirm the bug and get it worked out21:54
Clue_by_4basso, i think thats documented21:54
eagles0513875x1250: its been working for me21:54
shadow420basso I suggest you downgrade to FF2 if you are having problems21:55
bassookay okay take it easy :P21:55
eagles0513875lol21:55
x1250it does crash, but just not always... rather randomly21:55
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Clue_by_4poor guy were bombarding em21:55
x1250with flash I mean21:55
eagles0513875what issue with ff3 that has me pissed of is hwo it doesnt know how to handel files by opening the appropriate program21:55
bassosometimes it works and sometimes it says bang21:55
x1250eagles0513875: like what filetype?21:56
eagles0513875x1250: ya if i dl a pdf for instance it brings up a dialogue box and no programs to choose from21:56
eagles0513875there is already a bugfiled and confirmed21:56
bassohow is the powersaving feature working in 8.04?... My laptop is nearly burning my lap after i jumped from 7.10 to 8.04..21:56
x1250eagles0513875: it works for me...21:57
eagles0513875x1250: hummm interesting21:57
eagles0513875i might have borked it even on the previous install of beta it was doing the same thing21:58
ffm__I just updated to hardy, and the upgrade had to be canclelled while in progress due to a package not configuring properly. I ran dpkg-configure -a afterwards to see if I could fix the problem, and rebooted. Now, when I try to su in SUL mode, or when I try to login in multi-user mode, I get a "module is unknown" error.21:58
ffm__Any ideas?21:58
bassoahh yes.. When Compis Fusion is enabled and you want to watch videos the screen go black and you can do anything :O21:58
bassothe same problem resides in KDE4 desktop effects aswell21:59
bassoeven VLC says bang21:59
x1250ffm__: did you try full-upgrading again?21:59
ffm__x1250, I couldn't, the option wasn't there anymore.22:00
ffm__x1250, And now that I am on hardy, I can't start a gui as root.22:00
x1250ffm__: no packages to upgrade?22:00
ffm__x1250, I've upgraded all my packages.22:00
x1250ok22:00
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x1250entering to X from gdm as root?22:01
x1250ffm__: is root login enabled in system -> administration -> login window, tab security?22:02
x1250oh, just single user works.22:04
ffm__x1250, hardy segfalts when you try to start gnome-session in SUM.22:04
Arand!topic22:05
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic22:05
ffm__I think it has something to do with the PAM modules.22:05
WaZ`hey22:05
Arandhas Hardy gone RC yet?22:06
Arandor is it still beta?22:06
ffm__x1250, When I log in on MUM (in the tty1), it authenticates me, tells me I have new mail, then doesn't start my shell and displays the Moudle is unknown erorr message.22:06
x1250ffm__: any broken packages?22:08
ffm__x1250, phpbb2-conf-mysql22:08
ffm__x1250, But like I said, I  inturrupted the upgrade process since that package was causing it to hang.22:08
ffm__and I reconfigured afterwards, though.22:08
Ahmucki'm running kubuntu beta, and the soundsystem won't start22:11
x1250ffm__:  yeah, maybe pam related http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/06/msg03729.html22:11
shadow420bleh22:13
Alan_Mwow.....am i lagged again or is it just that slow?22:13
amikropHow googleearth-package is used?22:13
keanuany reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is used in hardy instead of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?22:14
x1250amikrop: execute it in the same directory where the google installer is22:14
amikropx1250: execute what?22:14
amikropx1250: which is the command?22:15
x1250make[TAB] it should appear somewhere22:15
Alan_Mamikrop: its usually chmod +x packagename then ./package....I believe...someone back me up?22:15
ffm__x1250, Uh, so how do I use "dpkg-reconfigure" for all the libpam-* packages?22:16
shadow420Alan_M you are right for that type of installation22:16
JASONCO hi - im fiddling with hardy beta and i nstalled from the disk -- it looked great - my screen res was 1024x768, but when i did the updats -- it shifted to 800x600 and no options to change it bak22:16
shadow420JASONCO what type of card you have?22:17
Alan_MJASONCO: thats...a weird one...what kind.....bleh shadow all yours :)22:17
x1250ffm__: I guess reinstall them with dpkg22:17
JASONCOummmmmm -- i dunno -- worked fine with the default install form the disk22:17
shadow420JASONCO what brand of Graphics card you have?22:17
JASONCOhang ont let me lspci22:17
Alan_Mi know hardy likes intel 3945 chipsets finally :D22:18
K4k-laptopdoes anyone know how to get the gui interface that xmms had, onto xmms222:18
K4k-laptop?22:18
JASONCOgeforce 2 mx40022:18
shadow420JASONCO ah you need to use the Nvidia Restricted Drivers22:18
JASONCOwhy ??? it worked fine from the installer disk b4 thte updates22:19
shadow420JASONCO trust me the computer works better using the Restricted Drivers it allows 3d acceleration and 2d acceleration22:20
Alan_Mjasonco, have you ever used a alpha/beta release of ubuntu before? (just asking for my general curiosity...)22:20
JASONCOno22:20
JASONCOshadow420, im sure it does -- but i dont have the money to go buy the card right now to get the drivers22:21
JASONCOi was hoping it would just work22:21
shadow420JASONCO is the card in your CPU a Nvidia22:21
JASONCOthats what lspci claims22:21
JASONCOyes22:21
Alan_MJASONCO: Alpha/beta releases constantly go through updates, daily..if not hourly...something is usually always unstable, you got the short end of the stick.22:22
JASONCOAlan_m yes im familiar with beta software in general22:22
ffm__JASONCO, This is a beta OS.22:23
shadow420then I would suggest to go over to the Restricted Driver which is in the Restricted Drivers Manager22:23
Alan_MJasonco, just making sure buddy.....not trying to insult you.22:23
shadow420JASONCO then I would suggest to go over to the Restricted Driver which is in the Restricted Drivers Manager22:23
ffm__JASONCO, We have _lots_ of nasty bugs and instabilities.22:23
JASONCOshadow420, i would, but i dont have the original disk for the card to extract the driver code from22:23
JASONCOffm__, i appreciate that22:23
shadow420JASONCO you shouldn't need the disk22:24
JASONCOok22:24
JASONCOim a bit lost then22:24
shadow420JASONCO what Desktop Enviroment are u usind?22:24
JASONCOhow do i get the code for the driver if i dont extract it from the disk since its not allowed to be included in the package22:24
JASONCOgnome22:24
shadow420ok go to system/administration Restricted Drivers Manager22:25
JASONCOlemme switch systems22:25
shadow420JASONCO I am in Hardy with KDE but my current linux is Gutsy with Gnome22:27
Alan_Mshadow, your dual booting?22:27
shadow420what is the configuration file for KDE22:27
shadow420Alan_M yea XP/Gutsy/Hardy(beta)22:28
JASONCOshadow420, i appreciate your time22:28
shadow420JASONCO not a problem22:28
JASONCOjust fyi - -there is no such entry22:28
shadow420JASONCO | !nvidia22:28
Alan_Mcool, ive got gutsy/hardy.....no windows....havent had a use for it since i found all alternate software in ubuntu :)22:29
[Hardy]TuTUXGsun finally fixed the god damn xcb locking problem22:29
Alan_M!nvidia | JASONCO22:29
ubotuJASONCO: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto22:29
shadow420Alan_M I keep windows around for other reasons22:29
Alan_Monly thing i keep windows for is for like..fixing other peoples pc's (im an A+ technician)22:30
shadow420Alan basically why I keep windows around but I am not a A= Tech22:31
shadow420A+*22:31
JASONCOshadow -- would restricted drivers manager and hardware drivers be the smae thig?22:31
derspanksterJASONCO: there is no restricted drivers tab in Hardy22:32
derspanksterlook in Hardware drivers22:32
JASONCOderspankster, yes - i found this out - someone told me to go there to solve a vdeo driver issue and im tryying to make sure of where im supposed to go22:32
JASONCOderspankster, thanks22:32
bewstTrying to install the fglrx 8-2 driver and getting some very odd errors (http://dpaste.com/45596/).  This looks like something broken in Hardy but I don't know what.22:35
bewstActually I'm just building the packages.22:35
JASONCOshadow420, derspankster Alan_M and others thank you -- that resolved my issue22:38
derspanksterJASONCO: good!22:38
mehal88I have a dual screen display set up through the virtual line in my xorg.conf file. I was wondering if theres a way to change which monitor linux uses as my default?22:39
shadow420JASONCO glad to be of help22:39
shadow420!KDE22:40
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.22:40
shadow420I need to disable composite how do I do that in KDE?22:43
mc-georgehey guys, could some one help me set up my wireless internet, its a trendnet tew-444UB usb wifi card22:43
derspankstershadow420: sorry, I know nothing about KDE22:45
shadow420derspankster thats ok22:45
Alan_Mi dont know enough about kde to help ya out either.22:46
Alan_Mive used it for a solid week..had nothing but trouble..so..yeah22:46
Turskishadow420: how did you enable it?22:46
shadow420Turski it came enabled by defaut22:47
Turski:O22:47
Turskiwell, look to kmenu -> system -> desktop effects22:47
shadow420Compiz is not installed22:47
Turskieh?22:48
Turskiyou shouldn't have any composite then22:48
Joe_CoTso my machine just got a huge spike in cpu temperature. It actually went up to 100C, and my machine shut off22:49
Turskihaha22:49
Turskiget better cooler :)22:50
Joe_CoTi restarted, and now it's stable at 52C. I also turned off AIGLX, so that might have helped22:50
_max_it seems the ubuntu 8.04 alternate doesn't have parted, so i can't change the label to GPT22:50
_max_has ANYONE installed ubuntu on a drive thats larger than 2tb?22:50
_max_iv spent 2 days solid on this now =( this is getting anoying22:50
Turskiwho even has that big drive :)22:50
K4k-laptopI'm having an issue that I think is related to nm-applet but I could be wrong. For some reason I can't access certain sites on the internet, I know the configuration in networkmanager is right because its the same as the other computer I'm using, but for some reason it's just not going to some sites, but it can go to google and others. I'm pretty sure this is a DNS issue, but resolv.conf says I'm good to go...what's up?22:50
Joe_CoTTurski, my point is that this never happened on other versions of Ubuntu. Intel GPU, core 2 duo scaled to 1ghz22:50
_max_Turski: im betting quite alot of ppl.22:51
Joe_CoTK4k-laptop, if you have a site in mind, try nslookup thatsite.com22:51
K4k-laptopok will try22:51
_max_anyone know if there is a developer channel? im gona concider this a bug in the installer.22:51
Joe_CoT_max_, ubuntu-dev22:51
K4k-laptopJoe_CoT, what do I do with that infomration?22:52
_max_there is -no- way to force the installer to use gpt, it simply overwrites whatever you feed it with msdos label22:52
K4k-laptopjust go to the IP?22:52
Turskireport bug to launchpad22:52
Joe_CoTK4k-laptop, does it return an ip address for the site? Try doing it at http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php . Is the ip the same?22:52
K4k-laptopyes22:52
K4k-laptopbut firefox doesn't resolve it22:53
Joe_CoTdo you have any proxy settings set in firefox? do other browsers resolve them? what's firefox's error message22:53
K4k-laptopnope, I don't have any proxy settings22:53
shadow420Turski ok22:53
K4k-laptopThough the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection.22:53
K4k-laptop    * Could the site be temporarily unavailable? Try again later.22:53
K4k-laptop    * Are you unable to browse other sites?  Check the computer's network connection.22:53
K4k-laptop    * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsi22:53
Joe_CoTK4k-laptop, try with another browser, like Epiphany or Konqueror. Do those also not resolve it?22:54
scaporHow come the RC isn't uplloaded ?22:54
shadow420k4k-laptop | !pastebin22:54
scaporwasn't it planned for the 17th ?22:54
K4k-laptopshadow420, yea I know I thought it was short enough though22:55
Joe_CoTscapor, it was pushed back to friday. like it is every time22:55
nosrednaekim!pastebin | K4k-laptop22:55
ubotuK4k-laptop: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)22:55
shadow420!hardy22:55
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu22:55
Joe_CoTthanks, i'm glad we all know what a pastebin is. anyway22:55
scaporJoe_CoT: do you have any idea around what time it usually happens (the uploads) ? ;)  I should dl it at uni tomorrow to do some crazy testing for the last week22:56
Joe_CoTscapor, i'm used to the afternoon (they /really/ stall on it), but it's really uncertain. Why don't you sign up for ubuntu-announce, and they'll tell you? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce22:58
K4k-laptopJoe_CoT, epiphany can't load it either22:58
K4k-laptopso it's definitely something in my settings22:58
K4k-laptopbut...what22:58
K4k-laptophmmm22:58
Joe_CoTtry pinging the site. try wget-ing the site22:58
K4k-laptopi can ping it just fine22:59
scaporJoe_CoT: if it only where an RSS feed ... is there any need for reactions on teh announcements ?22:59
K4k-laptopo wait, Joe_CoT no I can't22:59
K4k-laptopit comes back, "Destination Port Unreachable"22:59
K4k-laptophmmm22:59
Joe_CoTscapor, http://www.ubuntu.com/rss.xml22:59
Joe_CoTK4k-laptop, yeah, about that :D so it's not your browser23:00
Joe_CoTtracert thatsite.com ?23:00
K4k-laptopwhat is hardy's firewall program?23:00
Joe_CoTum23:00
scaporJoe_CoT: then again, there's too much updates on that feed ;) ...23:00
Joe_CoTscapor, but that'll work for finding out when it gets released -tomorrow-23:00
K4k-laptoptraceroute goes straight to the site23:01
K4k-laptopbut some sites work just fine23:01
K4k-laptopwtf23:01
Joe_CoTcan you switch to another network?23:02
K4k-laptopno but i can change my IP23:02
K4k-laptopI'm on a static wire network23:02
Joe_CoThave a server to ssh to? use it as a socks proxy, see if it works then23:02
K4k-laptopno server to proxy to right now23:02
shadow420heh I am on a DHCP network23:02
scaporJoe_CoT: thanks for all the info.  I'm off now, bye all23:03
K4k-laptopI've been having issues with network manager all day so I'm sure it's that23:03
shadow420I don't need a proxy23:03
Joe_CoThmm. so you can get dns, you can tracert, but you can't ping, and you can't browse23:03
K4k_that didn't work either23:04
K4k_I tried restarting the network interface with a new IP23:05
K4k_nothing23:05
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Prefixhttp://www.petitiononline.com/vent4Lin/petition.html23:05
k4k-laptopwhy do you need vent on linux?23:06
k4k-laptopit's not like games work well23:06
k4k-laptopyes23:06
k4k-laptopyet*23:06
Ahmucki need some help troubleshooting kmix23:07
Ahmuckand/or sound system on kubuntu hardy beta23:07
Joe_CoTk4k-laptop, given that i just threw a Linux LAN Party, i'd disagree. but i also see no reason for Vent23:07
Joe_CoTk4k-laptop, i'm about out of ideas. anything in sudo iptables --list ? anything in /etc/hosts{,.allow,.deny} ?23:13
k4k-laptoplemme see23:14
k4k-laptophttp://pastebin.ca/98882623:15
k4k-laptop^^ iptables23:15
RyanPrior1 week until release!23:15
shadow420!gnome23:15
k4k-laptopand nothing unusual in hosts.allow/deny23:15
ubotugnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.23:15
Joe_CoTk4k-laptop, i'm no ip tables expert, but that has a lot more than i have. is that possibly the problem?23:16
RyanPriorWhen will Intrepid be open? I'm ready to dist-upgrade.23:16
nosrednaekimRyanPrior: probably by May 5th23:16
shadow420what do I do to change from KDE to Gnome23:16
rskshadow420: install it23:17
rskshadow420: logut and change in gdm to select kde instead and login23:17
k4k-laptopJoe_CoT, figured it out23:17
k4k-laptopI forgot I had moblock running23:17
k4k-laptopahahah23:17
shadow420rsk yeah install gnome and remove KDE23:17
k4k-laptopI'm sure that's the problem23:17
Joe_CoTyeah, figured it was something in there23:18
RyanPriorWhat is moblock?23:18
k4k-laptopit's a peer2peer filter23:18
RyanPriorKeep the nasty RIAA from spying on you?23:18
k4k-laptopmore or less23:18
k4k-laptopI live on a college campus23:19
k4k-laptopit's that and other things23:19
k4k-laptopI just don't like people spying on me, even if they really aren't, it's peace of mind23:19
ffmHi, the minimal iso netinstall freezes at "Please wait".. any idea why?23:19
RyanPriorffm: Probably it wants you to wait.23:20
k4k-laptophmmm...interesting, now my internet just flat out stopped working without moblock lol23:20
k4k-laptopwow23:20
k4k-laptopbrb23:20
ffmRyanPrior, I understand that, but it stays that way for a while...23:20
ffmOh, nevermind....23:20
RyanPriorffm: Does the kernel boot?23:21
ffmRyanPrior, I just needed more patience.23:21
RyanPriorffm: I hoped it would be that. :-)23:21
ffmIn the future, what's a sane amount of time to wait for anything before assuming that it's screwed?23:21
Joe_CoTLOL, that's amazing. that RyanPrior was right, and not just being contrary23:21
nosrednaekim:)23:22
ffmRyanPrior, Yesterday, I cancelled my update to hardy after it had churned on updating a package for 30 minutes. And it was phpbb...23:22
Joe_CoTffm, watch 3 episodes of star trek. if it still has the message, there's a problem23:22
Joe_CoTffm, for a really slow machine, substitute star trek for all 7 Hellraiser movies23:22
nosrednaekimskipping the corney scenes or not?23:22
nosrednaekim;)23:22
RyanPriorffm: It really depends. I like to check on CPU usage, memory usage, and so on to see if maybe something is deadlocked.23:23
RyanPriorffm: In the case of something like net booting where you don't really have external tools to diagnose the cause of the waiting, I'd just make a pot of coffee and run some errands, and assume that if it makes you wait for hours there's a bad problem.23:24
RyanPriorffm: Awhile ago there was an X.org regression where it took my laptop 9 hours to boot to GDM, but I found that out by leaving it on for that long. :-)23:25
corinthIsn't the Hardy RC supposed to be released today?23:25
Joe_CoTcorinth, moved to tomorrow23:25
Joe_CoTsubscribe to ubuntu-announce if you want to find out when it's released23:26
corinthThat's funny, heh. The openSUSE 11.0 beta1 was moved to tomorrow, too. :P23:26
Dr_willisHmm.. some how.. Konqueror got removed when i updated....23:27
ffmHuh. There's an "xfix" option in SU mode even when X isn't installed23:33
deadchiphow can i enable automatic updates?23:35
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ffmWhat's the Single user mode menu that appears called?23:35
Dr_willisffm,  xfix option?23:36
Joe_CoTdeadchip, System -> administration -> Software Sources23:40
Joe_CoTyou'll find what you're looking for on the Updates tab23:40
deadchiphmm there is no such item in administration23:40
Joe_CoTright-click on System, choose Edit Menus23:41
Joe_CoTChoose system->administration from the list at the left, put a check in Software Sources, close23:42
deadchipah great, thanks23:42
Joe_CoTnp23:42
deadchiphmm it deactivates itself again23:43
deadchipi guess i'm missing something installed23:43
Joe_CoTok, that i can't explain :)23:43
deadchipvery strange :)23:44
deadchipmaybe i have to click fast enough on Close in the menu editor before it deactivates itself23:45
deadchipentertaintment computing23:45
Joe_CoTdeadchip, try running: gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk23:45
Joe_CoTfrom a console23:45
deadchipyeah23:46
Ahmucki need some help troubleshooting kmix23:46
Ahmuckand/or sound system on kubuntu hardy beta23:46
deadchipweird, it's there23:46
Joe_CoTAhmuck, i hear ya, but I haven't touched KDE since Mandrake 7. Sorry23:48
|EQYNoX|hi23:56
|EQYNoX|is the RC already released ?23:57
jbroome|EQYNoX|: check the web site, or look in the /topic23:57
|EQYNoX|hm dont looks like :)23:59

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