[00:20] <greg-g> bdmurray: should cosmetic (nothing is broken, not adding a new feature) bugs be set to Low (and not wishlist, since it isn't a new feature)?  Is so, should I add that to the wiki for bugs/importance?
[00:22] <bdmurray> greg-g: Do you have an example?  I'm have a hard time thinking of one
[00:24] <greg-g> bug 218436
[00:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218436 in meta-gnome2 "untidy layout in gnome system monitor summary (system) tab [cosmetic only]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218436
[00:25] <greg-g> a very nit-picky bug.  and I use the word "nit-picky" in a nice way :)
[00:25] <bdmurray> That's great!  I love how people draw in screenshots.
[00:26] <greg-g> :) me too, I do it sometimes myself :)
[00:26] <greg-g> and yeah, that bug would definitely go upstream
[00:27] <bdmurray> Back to your original question, yes that sounds like a perfect example of a low priority bug.  I think string-fix bugs should be low too.
[00:27] <greg-g> Ok
[00:27] <greg-g> is that "important" enough of a condition to add it to the importance wiki page?
[00:30] <greg-g> ie: add "Cosmetic/Usability issues that do not limit functionality" to Low
[00:31] <bdmurray> Yes, I think more examples can't hurt. moderate impact and core application are quite subjective
[00:31] <greg-g> cool, and that wording clear and accurate?
[00:33] <bdmurray> Yes, that sounds good to me
[00:33]  * greg-g changes it
[00:34] <bdmurray> Thanks!
[00:34] <bdmurray> Have you seen any iso-testing bugs at all?
[00:35] <greg-g> there was one recently that I didn't completely read since it was about the size of a stephen king novel
[00:36] <greg-g> well, nevermind, it was about the old beta build, not an up to date iso build
[00:38] <greg-g> so, no, I have not
[00:39] <bdmurray> lol - stephen king
[00:40]  * greg-g thinks he gets paid per page
[00:40] <bdmurray> some of them can be found at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[00:41] <bdmurray> those are the most recent ones which I'm trying to go through now
[00:41] <greg-g> ahh, yeah, I forgot that the qa site is pretty thurough
[00:42] <bdmurray> yeah, its nice that it has counts on comments, subscribers and duplicates
[00:43] <greg-g> I like it.  the more I learn about the tools used in ubuntu development the more I am impressed.  Of course, I don't use them all that much (if any, other than LP) so I can't make a full analysis, but they seem nice.
[00:44] <greg-g> ie: the qa site and revu
[00:47] <crimsun> bug 215904
[00:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215904 in openldap2.3 "Assertion error in io.c:234: ber_flush2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215904
[00:48] <bdmurray> crimsun: hi
[00:50] <crimsun> bdmurray: hi
[00:51] <bdmurray> crimsun: do you have a moment? well maybe 2
[00:51] <crimsun> sure
[00:53] <bdmurray> bug 204345 is about setting the default sound card for pulseaudio, is there a way to do that using a GUI tool?
[00:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204345 in pulseaudio "[hardy] [amd64] system sounds and flash sound output are redirected to the wrong sound card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204345
[00:53] <crimsun> bdmurray: pavucontrol
[00:53] <crimsun> bdmurray: unfortunately it does not immediately take effect, because pulseaudio does not currently have a callback to reparse the gconf value
[00:54] <crimsun> (the setting takes effect on the next time the stream is started, which is normally the next time the app is restarted)
[00:54] <bdmurray> that's not on the Live CD though is it?
[00:55] <crimsun> no, the tools are all in the universe component.
[00:55] <bdmurray> hmmm, that seems weird to me
[00:55] <crimsun> OTOH, one can use `pacmd' in the pulseaudio-utils package, which is in main.
[00:56] <crimsun> I made some changes earlier that basically pull in all of the tools if you install one of the others
[00:56] <crimsun> the main one is really padevchooser
[00:56] <crimsun> it's a horrible UI mess, however
[00:57] <bdmurray> that leads well into question 2! is there a way to better name output devices?
[00:58] <crimsun> meaning PulseAudio sinks or ALSA sinks?
[00:59] <bdmurray> PulseAudio sinks I believe
[00:59] <crimsun> those are pretty much lifted from what hal exposes
[01:00] <crimsun> so, no, not that I know of, and not easily.
[01:00] <bdmurray> okay
[01:02] <bdmurray> Do you know anything about Creative X-Fi sound card support? the alsa bug doesn't have any recent information
[01:03] <crimsun> currently for ALSA, only the ca0106-driven models are supported
[01:03] <crimsun> currently Creative offers an x86_64 one that covers all models using the ALSA API
[01:04] <crimsun> currently for OSSv4.1, all ALSA-supported ones (ca0106) and then a minimal new more are supported
[01:06] <crimsun> note that given asac's changes to flashplugin-nonfree, a user cannot use pavucontrol (by default) to select the PulseAudio sink
[01:06] <crimsun> the user will need to use `asoundconf set-default-card', a command line utility in the alsa-utils package, to do so
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[01:08] <crimsun> (...or a user may use my Qt 3/4 or Toby's GTK 2 frontends for asoundconf)
[01:10] <bdmurray> how does flashplugin-nonfree affect it?
[01:10] <crimsun> (i.e., https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~motu/asoundconf-ui/trunk and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tsmithe/asoundconf-ui/trunk, respectively)
[01:11] <crimsun> with libflashsupport installed, a user can select the default output sink in PA for a Flash output
[01:11] <crimsun> however, libflashsupport was demoted to Suggests instead of Depends
[01:12] <crimsun> therefore, by default, a dist-upgrade will not pull in the PA compat layer for the non-Free Flash plugin, but PA will be installed by default
[01:12] <crimsun> presuming a user had GNOME's "Enable software sound mixing" enabled in System> Preferences> Sound, a user will experience the issue that I described
[01:13] <crimsun> (note that I concur with the move to demote libflashsupport to Suggests)
[01:14] <bdmurray> okay, I think I understand now
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[01:47] <psyke83> Hi, I realize that we're very close to release, but how do I get more attention for a last-minute bugfix? I have attached patches for the Murrine and Ubuntulooks engine to fix a cosmetic issue in Firefox, can it be included? It's at bug 195929
[01:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195929 in gtk2-engines-murrine "Cosmetic bug: rectangular white outline surrounding rounded buttons" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195929
[01:48] <psyke83> that status "fix committed" is misleading, it was fixed upstream but ubuntu's version was not
[01:49] <psyke83> I'm also running Fedora rawhide and noticed that the Nodoka engine has this fix included
[02:01] <bdmurray> psyke83: I'm looking at it
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[02:39] <syke> hi
[02:39] <syke> I just attached my lspci output to bug 197558
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197558 in linux "ssb module breaks BCM4328 with ndiswrapper (regression from 2.6.24-10)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197558
[02:39] <syke> which is still broken for me, as of today
[02:39] <syke> am getting real nervous it won't be fixed before release ;(
[03:12] <danage> hi! anybody here know bluez
[03:13] <danage> and wants to help triage a bug i have
[03:31] <syke> dunno him, but what's the bug?
[03:54] <danage> anybody here want to help me triaging a bug in bluetooth (bluez)
[03:59] <saivann> danage  : perhaps that I can help
[04:00] <saivann> danage : Also if you want to confirm this bug, I found a pretty interesting one : bug #218489
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218489 in openoffice.org "X freeze when switching between OpenOffice and Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218489
[04:00] <saivann> oh...
[04:01] <saivann> Does somebody want to confirm that freezing bug?
[04:05] <bdmurray> saivann: I'll give it a shot
[04:05] <saivann> bdmurray : looks like compiz eat all the CPU, but does not crash
[04:05] <saivann> bdmurray : thanks
[04:06] <saivann> This bug might be reported against compiz too
[04:07] <saivann> bdmurray : I'm actually connected through ssh to my remote machine and I see that compiz progressively eat more and more CPU, so I'm waiting to see if it finally crash, it's 87% now
[04:10] <greg-g> saivann: switching via alt-tab?
[04:11] <bdmurray> and which effects too?
[04:11] <greg-g> it isn't crashing here
[04:11] <greg-g> or freezing
[04:11] <bdmurray> I'm using "Hollywood got nothing" w/ intel and I'm not having an issue
[04:12] <saivann> greg-g : not alt-tab, just with the mouse
[04:12] <saivann> mmh, might be specific to some plugin..
[04:12] <greg-g> bdmurray: you're using what?
[04:12] <greg-g> saivann: either way, no freeze
[04:13] <saivann> bdmurray or greg-g : Did you use the attached file and waited for openoffice toolbox to appear?
[04:13] <bdmurray> greg-g: The "Hollywood got nothing" profile
[04:13] <saivann> my laptop actually use the default "extra" effects with compiz
[04:14] <greg-g> saivann: yeah, supplied file and with both the toolbox in the menu bar, and the toolbox in its own window
[04:15] <saivann> Really?? Strange, I can reproduce that behavior on my two computers here, my laptop is freshly installed and has only xchat-gnome installed outside of the default packages
[04:16] <saivann> and did you switch between windows by clicking on each windows simultaneously on the bottom of the screen while the toolbox in its own window was open?
[04:17] <saivann> Hardy beta, BTW
[04:17] <saivann> my other computer is fully up to date
[04:21] <bdmurray> I tried every switcher and had no problems like you are talking about
[04:21] <saivann> When I tried to get a backtrace, OpenOffice exited normally, by itself without any strace, and compiz started to eat CPU slowly
[04:21] <Nic1> hi there, i think i'm experiencing a bug and i'd need some help on how to post it
[04:22] <saivann> bdmurray : Mmh, strange, well thanks for the time you took..
[04:22] <Nic1> i have a sony vaio VGN-N250FH, and i'm having this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/191137 (i say this because maybe it's related), i start the system on battery power and then connect it...
[04:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191137 in linux "[Hardy] ACPI Embedded Controller (EC) stops boot when kernel boot 'quiet' option is enabled" [High,In progress]
[04:22] <bdmurray> Anything to play with Hollywood got nothing!
[04:23] <Nic1> the problem is that my battery life is 50% less than in feisty!
[04:23] <Nic1> (it just lives for an hour or so...)
[04:23] <Nic1> anyone knows if this bug is related to the battery life?
[04:24] <bdmurray> Nic1: that bug is about not being able to boot last time I looked at it.  Is that your issue?
[04:24] <saivann> Nic1 : This bug seems to be already in hands of developers.. That's what I see so far
[04:25] <Nic1> yes, i know... i just mentioned it, because maybe it's related to my other problem :) :VV
[04:25] <Nic1> the problem is that my battery life is 50% less than in feisty!
[04:26] <Nic1> is there an open bug for this? or any suggestions on how can i find more information on this?
[04:26] <bdmurray> What kind of testing have you done?
[04:26] <saivann> bdmurray greg-g : I just reproduced the bug on another computer with Intel graphic card, perhaps that we're just misunderstanding, do you know a program that can record video with the screen so I can show the exact steps?
[04:27] <bdmurray> saivann: istanbul
[04:27] <bdmurray> It's fantastic for creating screencasts of bugs!
[04:28] <saivann> bdmurray : Well, I will try it now :)
[04:28] <bdmurray> I'm excited to see it.
[04:29] <greg-g> heh
[04:30] <greg-g> Nic1: <bdmurray> What kind of testing have you done?
[04:33] <Nic1> greg-g: no tests, as i was looking guidance here :) what can i do for testing? i just know that battery life is much less than a few days ago when i was using feisty
[04:39] <saivann> bdmurray : It's uploading, I did it with metacity because it's the only way to stay alife :) Notice that each time that I click on the Firefox window, the window does not come up but looks like it's minimized. With Compiz enabled, everything freeze except the mouse at this point
[04:40] <saivann> bdmurray : It's in the bug report
[04:42] <bdmurray> saivann: you did that with istanbul?
[04:42] <saivann> bdmurray : Yes, istanbul is great
[04:42] <bdmurray> the file you uploaded has no extension
[04:43] <saivann> bdmurray you should be able to open it with totem
[04:43] <saivann> bdmurray : it's a ogg
[04:44] <bdmurray> right, that's the default format for istanbul but I don't think it actually adds a '.ogg' bit so it wasn't watchable w/in a firefox tab
[04:45] <saivann> bdmurray : Oh sorry, I missed the extension, are you able to download it?
[04:45] <bdmurray> sure, I'm watching it
[04:45] <saivann> great
[04:46] <saivann> I'll remember istanbul :) It's been a while that was wondering if such program exist
[04:46] <bdmurray> I've been meaning to write something up about it
[04:47] <bdmurray> I think it can help w/ language and communication issues too
[04:47] <saivann> bdmurray : Yes, this kind of tool can be really helpful in many cases
[04:50] <greg-g> and screenshots with drawing in them!
[04:50] <greg-g> ;)
[04:50] <bdmurray> yeah!
[04:50] <bdmurray> saivann: what is that sun logo in your oo splash?
[04:51] <saivann> bdmurray : Update to the latest openoffice.org in Hardy, I just saw it too
[04:52] <greg-g> Nic1: sorry, almost forgot.  So, best thing would be to search Launchpad concerning battery life and your laptop, if you can't find anything, report a bug and follow the "filing a bug report" from this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[04:52] <bdmurray> Okay, I'm updating then.
[04:52] <greg-g> yeah, I was wondering about that change
[04:52] <saivann> bdmurray : I remember that we had to do a SRU because of the ubuntu logo with gutsy so we might want to prevent it this time :)
[04:53] <greg-g> saivann: to change it TO the ubuntu logo?
[04:54] <bdmurray> I'm looking into it
[04:54] <saivann> greg-g : To remove the ubuntu logo from the openoffice splash
[04:54] <greg-g> saivann: oh, gotcha
[04:54]  * greg-g was confused
[04:54] <saivann> greg-g : So it might be the same idea with sun logo :)
[04:54] <saivann> greg-g : No matter, I'm native french and I'm sure that I do a lot of mistakes when I speak in english..
[04:55] <bdmurray> It was intentional
[04:55] <greg-g> no, not with how you said it.  I just forgot that happened.
[04:59] <saivann> bdmurray : According to the changelog, it fixes bug #199193 but this bug was just about wrong openoffice.org version. I don't see explanation in the changelogs for the sun logo, but the upstream splash might now have this logo
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199193 in openoffice.org "[Ubuntu] [hardy] openoffice splash shows incorrect version in hardy" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199193
[05:00] <saivann> greg-g : Ha :)
[05:00] <greg-g> :)
[05:01] <greg-g> uh oh, a "please try again" on LP
[05:01] <saivann> Sometime LP is overloaded..
[05:02] <greg-g> it was just the edge server
[05:02] <saivann> bdmurray : Did you have more success with my little video or still unable to reproduce the bug?
[05:03] <bdmurray> saivann: well, I had to update openoffice
[05:03] <bdmurray> I'm testing again now. ;)
[05:03] <saivann> bdmurray : Oh yeah, ok :)
[05:04] <greg-g> I just did too (it was just from -ubuntu2 to -ubuntu3) but still I can't reproduce it
[05:04] <bdmurray> greg-g: ubuntu3? what mirror are you using?  I have ubuntu5
[05:04] <saivann> Well, I reproduce it with both openoffice latest version and openoffice version from Hardy Beta.
[05:06] <greg-g> bdmurray: oh, yeah, ubuntu5, I looked at the version a while ago when it first told me to update, remembered wrong :)
[05:08] <bdmurray> Okay, I've been unable to recreate it
[05:09] <saivann> Well... that's awful.. sorry for the lost time
[05:09] <bdmurray> It's not that lost!  We learned about istanbul.
[05:10] <greg-g> :)
[05:10] <saivann> BTW, OpenOffice 2.4.0 does have a Sun logo in splash screen under windows
[05:10] <saivann> Hehe, I'm happy about this, of course
[05:10] <saivann> I'm just wondering why all computers freeze here, maybe that's a regional specific bug? :)
[05:10] <bdmurray> If you go to Help -> About there is some, I think, new stuff there
[05:11] <bdmurray> Maybe it is a French thing? ;)
[05:11] <saivann> bdmurray : could have be the problem, but my laptop is using english :)
[05:12] <bdmurray> heh
[05:12] <saivann> I wonder if I can reproduce it from the LiveCD
[05:12] <bdmurray> The dailies are still pretty hot off the presses. ;)
[05:13] <saivann> hehe, well I'm waiting for the RC
[05:14] <bdmurray> If all goes well they will be the RC
[05:14] <saivann> BTW, each ubuntu release include incredibly huge amount of work, it's like a treasure
[05:16] <JohnPhys> anyone in here help manage the inkscape package in ubuntu?
[05:16] <bdmurray> JohnPhys: kees does but I don't think he is around at the moment
[05:18] <kees> JohnPhys: hola.  normally I'd be out, but what's up?
[05:18] <saivann> :)
[05:20] <JohnPhys> kees:  I'm wondering if the fix/patch for Bug #195052 (inkscape not rendering latex in hardy) has any shot at being included in the final release.  The bug was apparently not tagged as affecting ubuntu, though I just changed that.
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195052 in inkscape "Latex formula does not work on Ubuntu Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195052
[05:22] <kees> JohnPhys: probably not -- we're very late in the release cycle, but I will read it more closely tomorrow and see if it can be snuck in.
[05:23] <JohnPhys> kees:  Thanks for your effort/time.  It looks like it's just a patch against one of those python scripts (eqntexsomething.py), so I think it would be low risk, but you would know better than I.
[05:26]  * greg-g sleeps
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[09:27] <hrlr> anyone around?  :)
[09:28] <pochu> I guess many people
[09:30] <hrlr> hey pochu!  Were you able to figure out that Logger problem in Emesene?
[09:33] <pochu> hrlr: unfortunately I didn't. Upstream couldn't reproduce it but I could using svn...
[09:33] <pochu> I'll look another look at that in the future
[09:34] <hrlr> That's unfortunate.  No errors or anything.
[09:35] <pochu> yeah, and I don't know SQL...
[09:37] <pochu> wait!
[09:38] <pochu> hrlr: i've opened the logs for a contact and it's up to the latest word he told me!
[09:38] <pochu> 5 days ago
[09:38] <pochu> hrlr: could you check it?
[09:39] <hrlr> Are you running the latest svn?
[09:44] <hrlr> pochu: I just tested on the latest svn and I'm still having the same results.
[09:44] <hrlr> pochu: The db is being written to but the client can't read.
[09:55] <pochu> hrlr: no, the Ubuntu package
[09:56] <pochu> these conversation is five days old though
[09:57] <hrlr> no change.
[09:58] <hrlr> Just attempted in both svn and the Hardy package
[09:58] <hrlr> Cleared out the old config as well
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[10:05] <pochu> hrlr: even if you close emesene and reopen it?
[10:06] <hrlr> yes.
[10:07] <hrlr> I get "No logs were found for xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com".
[10:08] <pochu> how do you open them?
[10:11] <hrlr> I right click on the contact and left click "View Conversation Log".
[10:12] <pochu> right
[10:12] <pochu> no idea then... will have to look closer, but not now
[10:12] <pochu> thanks for looking
[10:18] <hrlr> no problem!  Thanks!  :)
[11:28] <afflux> morning
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[16:14] <askan1>  The shutdown dialog does not show when pressing the shutdownbutton, is that a known bug?
[16:15] <james_w> askan1: it works here, is there anything else that may be relevant?
[16:16] <askan1>  james_w: it is compizrelated..it shows with compiz of
[16:17] <james_w> askan1: I'm running compiz, you should have a look at your settings.
[16:17] <james_w> it may well be a plugin.
[16:18] <askan1> james_w: I will, are you using the "extrasettings"
[16:18] <askan1> ?
[16:18] <james_w> what are they?
[16:18] <askan1>  james_w: hm..in the desktopeffectsdialog
[16:19] <james_w> I'm running custom I think.
[16:20] <james_w> does anyone know the command to run to get that dialog up?
[16:20] <askan1>  james_w: just rightclick your desktop and select to change your wallpaper
[16:23] <james_w> askan1: I thought this was an issue with the shutdown dialog
[16:23] <james_w> ?
[16:24] <askan1> james_w: aa yes misunderstood you
[16:24] <james_w> ah, ok
[16:28] <bdmurray> saivann: ping
[17:09] <bdmurray> james_w: Did you say you have compiz running?
[17:10] <james_w> bdmurray: yup
[17:10] <bdmurray> Do you have the Cube setup or something else?
[17:11] <james_w> yeah, the cube
[17:11] <james_w> I can change it if you like
[17:11] <bdmurray> No, that's great.
[17:11] <bdmurray> If I hold Ctrl+Alt and try to go to the top of the cube I get logged out of gnome.
[17:13] <james_w> you meam grabbing the desktop?
[17:13] <bdmurray> right, with the pointer
[17:13] <james_w> hmm, I'm still here...
[17:14] <james_w> let me check another machine
[17:14] <james_w> nope, that's fine as well
[17:17] <bdmurray> hmmm
[17:48] <saivann> bdmurray : pong
[17:50] <bdmurray> saivann: are you familiar with bug 150930 at all?  Some said they ran into again, possibly after upgrading their comment is vague and uninformative.
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150930 in ubiquity "Black screen, and bad usplash.conf after installation" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150930
[17:51] <saivann> bdmurray : Yes I marked so much duplicates of this bug. Let me take a look..
[17:52] <bdmurray> It isn't clear to me whether or not that bug will be resolved when upgrading.
[17:55] <saivann> bdmurray : IMO, it is not fixed when upgrading, especially that since Hardy use xrandr 1.3, it's very tricky for usplash to get values from X to put in /etc/usplash.conf
[17:59] <saivann> bdmurray : Commented
[18:00] <bdmurray> saivann: thanks!
[18:02] <saivann> ;) thanks for finding this out
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[20:27] <jarlath> Hi. I've never done any bug squashing before, or used launchpad much. Could someone confirm my findings before I change the status of a bug?
[20:27] <jarlath> I believe that this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218820
[20:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218820 in ubuntu "8.04 fails to boot with kernel 2.6.24-15 or 2.6.24-16" [Undecided,New]
[20:27] <jarlath> is a dupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/216353
[20:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216353 in linux "2.6.24 Kernel boot hangs on disk read ( ldm_validate_partition_table() )" [High,Triaged]
[20:28] <secretlondon> as it doesn't affect everybvody you need to check that the hardware is the same
[20:29] <secretlondon> or anything else that they might have in common, that other users don't have
[20:29] <secretlondon> as it could have more than one cause
[20:29] <jarlath> Okay.
[20:30] <bdmurray> also in bug 216353 they say -14 does not work while they say it does in 218820
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216353 in linux "2.6.24 Kernel boot hangs on disk read ( ldm_validate_partition_table() )" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216353
[20:30] <secretlondon> it's more obvious with things like "audio doesn't work" that it could have multiple causes
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[20:30] <bdmurray> getting the person in bug 218820 to boot w/o usplash would be quite helpful
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218820 in ubuntu "8.04 fails to boot with kernel 2.6.24-15 or 2.6.24-16" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218820
[20:32] <jarlath> I'll ask. Thanks.
[20:32] <bdmurray> Thank you for helping out!
[20:33] <jarlath> My absolute pleasure. Thanks for an amazing OS!
[21:01] <jarlath> I'd appreciate some input on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218831
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218831 in ubuntu "Firefox install on Kubuntu 8.04 wants to download 116 MB of archives" [Undecided,New]
[21:01] <jarlath> It seems more like a complaint than a bug?
[21:01] <jarlath> And if it is to be treated as a bug, whos area is it?
[21:02] <greg-g> ok, impatient person question: how long does apport usually take to get to a "needs-amd64-retrace" bug?
[21:02] <greg-g> jarlath: that actually is a bug, because you shouldn't have to download openoffice to run firefox
[21:03] <greg-g> I remember there being some lauguage-pack dependency issues last week or so, I wonder what LiveCD is being used
[21:04] <greg-g> I would file it under firefox-3 for now, can always change it later as more information is discovered
[21:06] <bdmurray> greg-g: it is possible for the retracer to hang sometimes, how long has it been?
[21:10] <greg-g> bdmurray: hour and 20 minutes ago
[21:11] <greg-g> I told you I'm impatient :)
[21:11] <bdmurray> heh, I'll see if anyone w/ the right super powers is around
[21:12] <greg-g> oh, no worries, i was just wondering if there was some "if it takes longer than X amount of time, contact your representative" :)
[21:19] <jarlath> Okay guys, thanks. I'll put it down as affecting Firefox.
[21:22] <bdmurray> greg-g: the retracer is off at the moment
[21:23] <greg-g> bdmurray: ahh, thanks for the info.  And really, no rush on anything from my end.
[21:24] <jarlath> The reporter used the command 'apt-get firefox' for this bug to occur, but firefox 3 is what was offered for installation. Would I choose firefox or firefox3 package here?
[21:24] <bdmurray> firefox-3.0
[21:24] <jarlath> thanks
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[21:27] <bdmurray> It'd be good to know which Live CD they noticed this with
[22:56] <_max_> id like to report what i concider a bug
[22:57] <_max_> in the installer (both alternate and regular) there is no way to force gpt label.
[22:57] <_max_> i tried booting with the normal installer, entering console, changing to gpt using parted, creating partitions using the gui, and its still gpt all the way until i click [install]
[22:57] <_max_> then it changes it back to friggin msdos, and my remaining 4tb are useless
[22:58] <secretlondon> _max_, then report it, the bugtracker is launchpad
[22:59] <_max_> okey.
[23:09] <mrooney> Is there a page describing how to use milestones?
[23:10] <mrooney> ie, when it is appropriate to set them?
[23:16] <bdmurray> mrooney: this late in the release cycle we are very conservative with them
[23:19] <mrooney> bdmurray: that makes sense. Is it then true conversely that it is fair to liberally set Intrepid milestones for bugs that appear as if they should be addressed by then?
[23:20] <mrooney> I was just wondering if there is a page that explains what sorts of bugs are candidates for milestones and then as you addressed when to mark it as such
[23:21] <bdmurray> Milestones are useful for the release manager and the release team and as I understand it they are drafting some guidelines.  However, it might be a wee bit. ;)
[23:23] <mrooney> ahh okay, so I should stay away from them for now?
[23:24] <mrooney> and not just for now as in Hardy but, in general
[23:27] <bdmurray> That sounds safest for now, the list is rather cluttered
[23:33] <SnakeArt> Hi. I think that there could be a bug in kernel 2.6.22-14-generic which makes unable to create wacom device in /dev/input/ . Is there any way to solve that problem?
[23:37] <secretlondon> SnakeArt, we can't take support requests here (they belong on #ubuntu+1). if you think there is a bug please report it on launchpad
[23:40] <SnakeArt> secretlondon: I see, but this channel is my last hope. I need to configure wacom bamboo one on gutsy, but required wacom file in /dev/input/ is missing. If You know anything about that problem, give me a note where to look for it.,please.
[23:40] <secretlondon> oh this is gutsy?>
[23:41] <secretlondon> we really can't do support here, this is where we do bug triaging. launchpad answers may be a good place though
[23:42] <SnakeArt> secretlondon: Yes, 2.6.22-14-generic on amd64. I try with launchpad.
[23:42] <bdmurray> SnakeArt: The people in ubuntu-x might have more information.  It sounds familiar.
[23:42] <SnakeArt> bdmurray: Thank you. I will take a look there,too.
[23:43] <bdmurray> maybe one of these
[23:43] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bugs?field.searchtext=wacom&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[23:45] <SnakeArt> bdmurray: Thanks again. I will no longer bother You. I'll check your link.
[23:45] <SnakeArt> CU all.
[23:49] <bdmurray> secretlondon: Do you think providing some support is okay here or has it caused problems in the past?