| * apachelogger_ gives nixternal a cookie | 00:00 | |
| nixternal | if you guys quit asking me to do things I might be able to do some more dev related work :p | 00:00 |
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| Tonio_ | apachelogger_: what about browser proxy settings etc ??? :) no way as long as the settings are not stored the same way.... but we discuss this later | 00:00 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: lol | 00:00 |
| nixternal | my school work is even backed up...so Riddell don't be surprised if you get an email interview from me :) | 00:01 |
| apachelogger_ | yuriy: anything you can think of which is critical to hardy? | 00:01 |
| nixternal | I need to go eat, so I will catch up in a bit..thanks! | 00:01 |
| yuriy | so no currently known bugs that need to / _are allowed to be_ fixed before the release? | 00:01 |
| * apachelogger_ wants to note that now that xinelibs is patched with a new pulseaudio plugin amarok works again in gnome! | 00:01 | |
| yuriy | apachelogger_: i don't know of anything critical | 00:02 |
| Riddell | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04 has ... | 00:02 |
| Riddell | "(high) 209220 HP DeskJet 5550 not supported in Hardy" fix is in queue | 00:02 |
| awen_ | when yuriy says that hardy will indead rock :) | 00:03 |
| Riddell | "210443 file overwrite error in hardy" fix also in queue | 00:03 |
| Riddell | "218393 [kde4] /sbin not included in ubuntu user's PATH environmental ..." dunno, I should look at that | 00:03 |
| apachelogger_ | Oo | 00:03 |
| awen_ | Riddell: is there anything kde specific? | 00:03 |
| Riddell | I think that compares favourably to the number of gnome bugs on that milestone list :) | 00:03 |
| Riddell | awen_: just that bug 218393 | 00:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 218393 in kdebase-workspace "[kde4] /sbin not included in ubuntu user's PATH environmental variable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218393 | 00:04 |
| apachelogger_ | new comment there | 00:04 |
| yuriy | Riddell: actually i wanted to discuss that at some point since i think it's more of a problem of us not marking milestones than not having any release critical bugs | 00:04 |
| Riddell | oh, also "217669 Kubuntu's Printing system I am unable to hit apply on server s" which I've fixed too | 00:04 |
| apachelogger_ | "Logging out of the KDE4 desktop session and logging back in somehow add '/sbin' to $PATH." | 00:04 |
| awen_ | Riddell: the same bug that prevents running sudo systemconfig ? | 00:04 |
| nosrednaekim | awen_: very different | 00:04 |
| awen_ | should that one be fixed too? | 00:05 |
| Riddell | yuriy: that's true, although I'd rather milestoned ones had a good chance of being fixed | 00:05 |
| nosrednaekim | awen_: I think they are currently fixing that upstream' | 00:05 |
| yuriy | dunno what that bug is about but redhat doesn't put /sbin in the path at all so it doesn't sound like much of a bug to me | 00:05 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: if Brian used a livecd this is rather a livecd bug than one in KDE 4 | 00:05 |
| apachelogger_ | we really only attach /usr/lib/kde4 to $PATH | 00:05 |
| apachelogger_ | so /sbin was missing before KDE 4 got invoked | 00:06 |
| Riddell | awen_: I don't know that bug, bug sudo shouldn't generally be used with GUI apps | 00:06 |
| Riddell | s/bug/but/ | 00:06 |
| awen_ | Riddell: no ... but there is no "administrator mode" in kde4 systemsettings, right? | 00:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: yes, it's quite curious | 00:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a couple of kdesudo little issues I have to fix this WE just before the release | 00:07 |
| Riddell | awen_: right, that's an upstream issue | 00:07 |
| apachelogger_ | they are working on it | 00:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: especially 208461 | 00:07 |
| Tonio_ | bug 208461 | 00:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 208461 in kdesudo "[Hardy] kdesu doesn't work via ssh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208461 | 00:07 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: sudo/kdesu/kdesudo is not working because it doesn't honor the user $PATH | 00:07 |
| apachelogger_ | Tonio_ is on that IIRC | 00:08 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: is someone looking into this? | 00:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: milestoned | 00:08 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger_: sudo does honor the user $PATH, but not kdesudo or gksudo | 00:08 |
| Riddell | "honour" | 00:08 |
| apachelogger_ | s/honor/honour | 00:08 |
| yuriy | who has permissions to mark milestones? just Riddell? | 00:09 |
| apachelogger_ | Tonio_: why is it failing with sudo as well then? Oo | 00:09 |
| Riddell | yuriy: anyone who can edit bugs I think | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger_: no idea :) | 00:09 |
| awen_ | what about putting an "start systemconfig as root" (different name of course) into the menu? | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger_: I have to look at that | 00:09 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: the first time you were right ;) | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I also milestoned bug 204440 | 00:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 204440 in kdesudo "[hardy]: kdesudo as non-root user works only once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204440 | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger_: concerning bug 209831, I have to look more closely, but it looks like this is on gutsy, and fixed in hardy for a while :) | 00:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 209831 in kdesudo "Unable to pass parameters with spaces in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209831 | 00:10 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: maybe we can backport form KDE 4.1, considering that already got an start as admin feature | 00:10 |
| apachelogger_ | anyone with KDE trunk around? | 00:10 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: if that is indeed possible, could be good ... but if not, i think the menu item as a temporary solution would be good | 00:11 |
| Riddell | there was a patch to 4.1 for the clock module to run a script as root | 00:11 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: I am not sure it is easy to implement | 00:11 |
| Riddell | the same needs to be done to the other modules that need root | 00:12 |
| apachelogger_ | i.e. whether it is possible to find out which module is running right now | 00:12 |
| Riddell | but, upstream issue | 00:12 |
| awen_ | Riddell: what other modules do we have? | 00:12 |
| apachelogger_ | kdm | 00:12 |
| apachelogger_ | well | 00:12 |
| * apachelogger_ stops being lazy and gets his laptop | 00:12 | |
| Riddell | open week | 00:13 |
| etretyak | apachelogger_: what's wrong with kdm? | 00:13 |
| Riddell | we have a couple of talks due, thanks to nixternal https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 00:13 |
| Riddell | anyone else want to do a Kubuntu or KDE related talk? | 00:13 |
| apachelogger_ | "how to break KDE 4 and KDE 3 without reason" | 00:13 |
| yuriy | a potential important installer bug: bug 217770 | 00:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217770 in ubiquity "Kubuntu-KDE4 Hardy Beta LiveCD install crashes session" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217770 | 00:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have very limited time at the moment, so no for me..... hopefully it'll be better in the next weeks | 00:14 |
| Riddell | yuriy: I expect that's fixed, a few i18n bugs have been, but I'll test it tomorrow during my RC tests | 00:15 |
| * apachelogger_ can't think of any possible topic for openweek tbh | 00:16 | |
| Riddell | any other business? | 00:16 |
| apachelogger_ | what to do with eagles? | 00:16 |
| jcastro | I still have open slots for openweek if anyone wants to do more Kubuntu sessions! | 00:17 |
| Riddell | jcastro: try and convince apachelogger_ to do one :) | 00:17 |
| apachelogger_ | I just need a topic ;-) | 00:17 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 00:17 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: mm, yes, a keen chap but needs more hand holding than is healthy | 00:17 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: eagles? | 00:17 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: eaglessomenumbers nick in -devel | 00:18 |
| jcastro | apachelogger_: let me think | 00:18 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: I talked to Hobbsee today, she would like to ban him | 00:18 |
| jcastro | is porting from Qt3->4 still an interesting topic? | 00:18 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: okay | 00:18 |
| apachelogger_ | jcastro: not really | 00:18 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: hasn't he only been around for a short while? | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: do you think he distrubed development since he joined? | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: yeah | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | still | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | I spent about 6 hours working with him on a 5 minutes fix for 2 packages | 00:19 |
| Jucato | I believe he has caused some ruckus in #ubuntu-devel before | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | yeah, he is banned there already | 00:19 |
| Jucato | s/believe/heard/ | 00:19 |
| apachelogger_ | I suggested instead of banning to ask him to leave until he got himself the appropriate knowledge to start contribution | 00:20 |
| apachelogger_ | because, from what I noticed... | 00:21 |
| apachelogger_ | he asked a lot of questions, mostly quite easy to find out using wiki.ubuntu.com | 00:21 |
| apachelogger_ | and everyone someone else answered | 00:21 |
| apachelogger_ | *everytime | 00:22 |
| yuriy | hmm bug 218431 also seems important-ish | 00:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 218431 in ubuntu "KDE4 country selector doesn't offer a list countrys to select from" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218431 | 00:22 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: ... and doing it in a nice way; suggest other ways to help out | 00:22 |
| apachelogger_ | awen_: tbh there is nothing I think he would be qualified for right now | 00:22 |
| apachelogger_ | maybe testing would be a possability, but I expect it's quite some work to gather necessary informations about an issue from him :( | 00:23 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: i was also thinking non-developer stuff ... like translating or other things | 00:23 |
| yuriy | anybody know how old he is? is english native to him? | 00:24 |
| Riddell | his English is.. not good | 00:24 |
| Riddell | he's from the US | 00:24 |
| apachelogger_ | lol | 00:24 |
| apachelogger_ | that sentence combination ... :P | 00:25 |
| awen_ | yuriy: his probably from year 87 (based on his name) | 00:25 |
| JontheEchidna | He's... older than me if that's to be believed ;_; | 00:25 |
| Riddell | testing ISOs, surely he can manage that | 00:25 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: I am not concerned about the testing, but about the value of information he can provide right now ... maybe that just needs trainging though | 00:26 |
| apachelogger_ | he reported 1 or 2 bug reports recently | 00:26 |
| apachelogger_ | made me wonder a lot what to ask first ;-) | 00:26 |
| * apachelogger_ should use commas | 00:27 | |
| Riddell | let's try poking him towards ISO testing, that genuinely is where we need help in the next 10 days | 00:27 |
| awen_ | yuriy: that one actually looks quite important ... do we know if it is a problem for all languages or german only? | 00:28 |
| Riddell | and if he can't manage that in a useful way then there's not much hope | 00:28 |
| yuriy | awen_: well for one, i can confirm it. i don't think it's related to the language | 00:28 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: ok | 00:28 |
| apachelogger_ | will talk to him tomorrow | 00:28 |
| awen_ | yuriy: that sounds like one that is pretty important then | 00:29 |
| apachelogger_ | oh | 00:30 |
| apachelogger_ | yuriy: about bug 218431 - I think that is a dependency issue | 00:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 218431 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 country selector doesn't offer a list countrys to select from" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218431 | 00:30 |
| apachelogger_ | I stumbled upon that issue in 4.0.0 and forgot to fix it apparently | 00:30 |
| awen_ | apachelogger_: sounds like you are on it then :) | 00:30 |
| awen_ | s/:)/;) | 00:31 |
| apachelogger_ | yeah, just assigned :D | 00:31 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: I think we are done with the meeting | 00:31 |
| Riddell | I think so | 00:31 |
| Riddell | thanks all | 00:31 |
| * Jucato thanks too | 00:32 | |
| neversfelde|mobi | gn8 | 00:35 |
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| Hobbsee | ooh, meeting that i missed | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | bah. you all discuss eagles when i'm not here. | 06:21 |
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| pitti | hi all | 13:56 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 13:57 |
| kwwii | hi all | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh noes, its' a meeting! | 13:58 |
| * pedro_ waves | 13:58 | |
| * Hobbsee drowns | 13:58 | |
| kwwii | da-da-da-duhhhhhhh | 13:58 |
| Keybuk | mvo, Riddell: ping | 13:59 |
| Riddell | hi | 14:00 |
| * seele yawns | 14:00 | |
| * seele waves | 14:00 | |
| mpt | Good aftermorning everybody | 14:01 |
| mvo | hello! | 14:01 |
| ted1 | I think it's more premorning :) | 14:01 |
| MacSlow | Greetings! | 14:02 |
| Keybuk | ok, great | 14:02 |
| Keybuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-04-17 | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | I didn't see any agenda items in activity reports, so before we begin, does anyone have anything to add? | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | also nothing new on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage this week? | 14:03 |
| MacSlow | nope | 14:03 |
| pitti | nothing interesting beyond 'works better than last week' | 14:04 |
| Keybuk | ok, should be a quick meeting then :-) | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | has one new item, bug #63450 | 14:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 63450 in acpid "acpid install fails (because of hal running)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63450 | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | at a glance, that looks like something where the patch wasn't good, so should be removed from the sponsoring team? | 14:06 |
| pitti | mvo and I are currently actively discussing this in #u-devel and the bug | 14:06 |
| mvo | Keybuk: its a nasty one unfortunately | 14:06 |
| pitti | it's not at all clear what the problem is, or how to solve it properly | 14:06 |
| mvo | well, the problem is that if you have hal installed and not acpid and then install acpid it will fail | 14:06 |
| mvo | because /proc/acpi/event is already claimed by hald | 14:07 |
| pitti | so, the patch with restarting hal didn't work? | 14:07 |
| mvo | it does, but not in the general case, I have a test-case when during upgrade hal is unapcked but not configured yet | 14:07 |
| mvo | then acpid tries to restart it and hal hangs (no idea why exactly but it does) | 14:08 |
| pitti | mvo: add a check for /var/run/hald/hald.pid to the snippet? | 14:08 |
| mvo | if I change the ordering (by adding a pre-depends on hal into acpid) it works apparently | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | ok, sounds like a nasty one :) | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | looks like you have it in hand though | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | nothing new in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html today | 14:08 |
| mvo | pitti: yeah, sjoerd suggested this too, I try that next | 14:08 |
| pedro_ | nop nothing new | 14:09 |
| Keybuk | couple of items from me: | 14:09 |
| Keybuk | - Performance Reviews are imminent, and some of you may have already received some of the mails for it | 14:09 |
| pitti | I got the announcement, but no personal ones with the URLs | 14:09 |
| pitti | (and I did check my spam filter :) ) | 14:09 |
| Riddell | there isn't one, you just go to the URL and register and it'll send you another URL | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | - I won't worry about regular catch up calls again next week, to give you the maximum time for release work | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | but if you do want to chat, please don't hesistate to grab me | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | otherwise if there's no other business, I'll let you all get back to work? | 14:12 |
| pitti | CD testing seems reasonable so far, FWIW \o/ | 14:13 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: make sure we message that corporate users etc should wait for 8.04.1 if they want something rocking stable | 14:13 |
| seb128 | there is no world is breaking issues but lot of annoying things still | 14:14 |
| pitti | they won't upgrade to hardy tomorrow anyway, I figure | 14:14 |
| pitti | not if you stayed on dapper on the desktop for that long | 14:14 |
| pitti | but it's important to have the .1 plan/announcement in the release notes, indeed | 14:14 |
| * mpt drops a pin | 14:19 | |
| pitti | mpt: I heared that! | 14:20 |
| * MacSlow saw it | 14:20 | |
| Keybuk | okok, adjourned ;) | 14:20 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:20 |
| pitti | happy testing everyone! | 14:20 |
| * mvo waves | 14:20 | |
| * MacSlow wishes his pipe was faster | 14:21 | |
| kwwii | danke | 14:21 |
| kwwii | MacSlow: I didn't think you smoked :-) | 14:21 |
| MacSlow | kwwii, english dude... english | 14:21 |
| MacSlow | kwwii, nice try :) | 14:21 |
| kwwii | :-) | 14:21 |
| kwwii | bye | 14:21 |
| MacSlow | back to clutter | 14:22 |
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