[00:00]  * apachelogger_ gives nixternal a cookie
[00:00] <nixternal> if you guys quit asking me to do things I might be able to do some more dev related work :p
[00:00] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: what about browser proxy settings etc ??? :) no way as long as the settings are not stored the same way.... but we discuss this later
[00:00] <apachelogger_> nixternal: lol
[00:01] <nixternal> my school work is even backed up...so Riddell don't be surprised if you get an email interview from me :)
[00:01] <apachelogger_> yuriy: anything you can think of which is critical to hardy?
[00:01] <nixternal> I need to go eat, so I will catch up in a bit..thanks!
[00:01] <yuriy> so no currently known bugs that need to / _are allowed to be_ fixed before the release?
[00:01]  * apachelogger_ wants to note that now that xinelibs is patched with a new pulseaudio plugin amarok works again in gnome!
[00:02] <yuriy> apachelogger_: i don't know of anything critical
[00:02] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04 has ...
[00:02] <Riddell> "(high)   209220  HP DeskJet 5550 not supported in Hardy"  fix is in queue
[00:03] <awen_> when yuriy says that hardy will indead rock :)
[00:03] <Riddell> "210443  file overwrite error in hardy" fix also in queue
[00:03] <Riddell> "218393  [kde4] /sbin not included in ubuntu user's PATH environmental ..." dunno, I should look at that
[00:03] <apachelogger_> Oo
[00:03] <awen_> Riddell: is there anything kde specific?
[00:03] <Riddell> I think that compares favourably to the number of gnome bugs on that milestone list :)
[00:04] <Riddell> awen_: just that bug 218393
[00:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218393 in kdebase-workspace "[kde4] /sbin not included in ubuntu user's PATH environmental variable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218393
[00:04] <apachelogger_> new comment there
[00:04] <yuriy> Riddell: actually i wanted to discuss that at some point since i think it's more of a problem of us not marking milestones than not having any release critical bugs
[00:04] <Riddell> oh, also "217669  Kubuntu's Printing system I am unable to hit apply on server s" which I've fixed too
[00:04] <apachelogger_> "Logging out of the KDE4 desktop session and logging back in somehow add '/sbin' to $PATH."
[00:04] <awen_> Riddell: the same bug that prevents running sudo systemconfig ?
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> awen_: very different
[00:05] <awen_> should that one be fixed too?
[00:05] <Riddell> yuriy: that's true, although I'd rather milestoned ones had a good chance of being fixed
[00:05] <nosrednaekim> awen_: I think they are currently fixing that upstream'
[00:05] <yuriy> dunno what that bug is about but redhat doesn't put /sbin in the path at all so it doesn't sound like much of a bug to me
[00:05] <apachelogger_> Riddell: if Brian used a livecd this is rather a livecd bug than one in KDE 4
[00:05] <apachelogger_> we really only attach /usr/lib/kde4 to $PATH
[00:06] <apachelogger_> so /sbin was missing before KDE 4 got invoked
[00:06] <Riddell> awen_: I don't know that bug, bug sudo shouldn't generally be used with GUI apps
[00:06] <Riddell> s/bug/but/
[00:07] <awen_> Riddell: no ... but there is no "administrator mode" in kde4 systemsettings, right?
[00:07] <Riddell> apachelogger_: yes, it's quite curious
[00:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a couple of kdesudo little issues I have to fix this WE just before the release
[00:07] <Riddell> awen_: right, that's an upstream issue
[00:07] <apachelogger_> they are working on it
[00:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: especially 208461
[00:07] <Tonio_> bug 208461
[00:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208461 in kdesudo "[Hardy] kdesu doesn't work via ssh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208461
[00:07] <apachelogger_> awen_: sudo/kdesu/kdesudo is not working because it doesn't honor the user $PATH
[00:08] <apachelogger_> Tonio_ is on that IIRC
[00:08] <awen_> apachelogger_: is someone looking into this?
[00:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: milestoned
[00:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: sudo does honor the user $PATH, but not kdesudo or gksudo
[00:08] <Riddell> "honour"
[00:08] <apachelogger_> s/honor/honour
[00:09] <yuriy> who has permissions to mark milestones? just Riddell?
[00:09] <apachelogger_> Tonio_: why is it failing with sudo as well then? Oo
[00:09] <Riddell> yuriy: anyone who can edit bugs I think
[00:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: no idea :)
[00:09] <awen_> what about putting an "start systemconfig as root" (different name of course) into the menu?
[00:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: I have to look at that
[00:09] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: the first time you were right ;)
[00:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also milestoned bug 204440
[00:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204440 in kdesudo "[hardy]: kdesudo as non-root user works only once" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204440
[00:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: concerning bug 209831, I have to look more closely, but it looks like this is on gutsy, and fixed in hardy for a while :)
[00:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209831 in kdesudo "Unable to pass parameters with spaces in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209831
[00:10] <apachelogger_> awen_: maybe we can backport form KDE 4.1, considering that already got an start as admin feature
[00:10] <apachelogger_> anyone with KDE trunk around?
[00:11] <awen_> apachelogger_: if that is indeed possible, could be good ... but if not, i think the menu item as a temporary solution would be good
[00:11] <Riddell> there was a patch to 4.1 for the clock module to run a script as root
[00:11] <apachelogger_> awen_: I am not sure it is easy to implement
[00:12] <Riddell> the same needs to be done to the other modules that need root
[00:12] <apachelogger_> i.e. whether it is possible to find out which module is running right now
[00:12] <Riddell> but, upstream issue
[00:12] <awen_> Riddell: what other modules do we have?
[00:12] <apachelogger_> kdm
[00:12] <apachelogger_> well
[00:12]  * apachelogger_ stops being lazy and gets his laptop
[00:13] <Riddell> open week
[00:13] <etretyak> apachelogger_: what's wrong with kdm?
[00:13] <Riddell> we have a couple of talks due, thanks to nixternal https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[00:13] <Riddell> anyone else want to do a Kubuntu or KDE related talk?
[00:13] <apachelogger_> "how to break KDE 4 and KDE 3 without reason"
[00:14] <yuriy> a potential important installer bug: bug 217770
[00:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217770 in ubiquity "Kubuntu-KDE4 Hardy Beta LiveCD install crashes session" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217770
[00:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have very limited time at the moment, so no for me..... hopefully it'll be better in the next weeks
[00:15] <Riddell> yuriy: I expect that's fixed, a few i18n bugs have been, but I'll test it tomorrow during my RC tests
[00:16]  * apachelogger_ can't think of any possible topic for openweek tbh
[00:16] <Riddell> any other business?
[00:16] <apachelogger_> what to do with eagles?
[00:17] <jcastro> I still have open slots for openweek if anyone wants to do more Kubuntu sessions!
[00:17] <Riddell> jcastro: try and convince apachelogger_ to do one :)
[00:17] <apachelogger_> I just need a topic ;-)
[00:17] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[00:17] <Riddell> apachelogger_: mm, yes, a keen chap but needs more hand holding than is healthy
[00:17] <awen_> apachelogger_: eagles?
[00:18] <apachelogger_> awen_: eaglessomenumbers nick in -devel
[00:18] <jcastro> apachelogger_: let me think
[00:18] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I talked to Hobbsee today, she would like to ban him
[00:18] <jcastro> is porting from Qt3->4 still an interesting topic?
[00:18] <awen_> apachelogger_: okay
[00:18] <apachelogger_> jcastro: not really
[00:19] <awen_> apachelogger_: hasn't he only been around for a short while?
[00:19] <apachelogger_> Riddell: do you think he distrubed development since he joined?
[00:19] <apachelogger_> awen_: yeah
[00:19] <apachelogger_> still
[00:19] <apachelogger_> I spent about 6 hours working with him on a 5 minutes fix for 2 packages
[00:19] <Jucato> I believe he has caused some ruckus in #ubuntu-devel before
[00:19] <apachelogger_> yeah, he is banned there already
[00:19] <Jucato> s/believe/heard/
[00:20] <apachelogger_> I suggested instead of banning to ask him to leave until he got himself the appropriate knowledge to start contribution
[00:21] <apachelogger_> because, from what I noticed...
[00:21] <apachelogger_> he asked a lot of questions, mostly quite easy to find out using wiki.ubuntu.com
[00:21] <apachelogger_> and everyone someone else answered
[00:22] <apachelogger_> *everytime
[00:22] <yuriy> hmm bug 218431 also seems important-ish
[00:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218431 in ubuntu "KDE4 country selector doesn't offer a list countrys to select from" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218431
[00:22] <awen_> apachelogger_: ... and doing it in a nice way; suggest other ways to help out
[00:22] <apachelogger_> awen_: tbh there is nothing I think he would be qualified for right now
[00:23] <apachelogger_> maybe testing would be a possability, but I expect it's quite some work to gather necessary informations about an issue from him :(
[00:23] <awen_> apachelogger_: i was also thinking non-developer stuff ... like translating or other things
[00:24] <yuriy> anybody know how old he is? is english native to him?
[00:24] <Riddell> his English is.. not good
[00:24] <Riddell> he's from the US
[00:24] <apachelogger_> lol
[00:25] <apachelogger_> that sentence combination ... :P
[00:25] <awen_> yuriy: his probably from year 87 (based on his name)
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> He's... older than me if that's to be believed ;_;
[00:25] <Riddell> testing ISOs, surely he can manage that
[00:26] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I am not concerned about the testing, but about the value of information he can provide right now ... maybe that just needs trainging though
[00:26] <apachelogger_> he reported 1 or 2 bug reports recently
[00:26] <apachelogger_> made me wonder a lot what to ask first ;-)
[00:27]  * apachelogger_ should use commas
[00:27] <Riddell> let's try poking him towards ISO testing, that genuinely is where we need help in the next 10 days
[00:28] <awen_> yuriy: that one actually looks quite important ... do we know if it is a problem for all languages or german only?
[00:28] <Riddell> and if he can't manage that in a useful way then there's not much hope
[00:28] <yuriy> awen_: well for one, i can confirm it. i don't think it's related to the language
[00:28] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ok
[00:28] <apachelogger_> will talk to him tomorrow
[00:29] <awen_> yuriy: that sounds like one that is pretty important then
[00:30] <apachelogger_> oh
[00:30] <apachelogger_> yuriy: about bug 218431 - I think that is a dependency issue
[00:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218431 in kdebase-workspace "KDE4 country selector doesn't offer a list countrys to select from" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218431
[00:30] <apachelogger_> I stumbled upon that issue in 4.0.0 and forgot to fix it apparently
[00:30] <awen_> apachelogger_: sounds like you are on it then :)
[00:31] <awen_> s/:)/;)
[00:31] <apachelogger_> yeah, just assigned :D
[00:31] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I think we are done with the meeting
[00:31] <Riddell> I think so
[00:31] <Riddell> thanks all
[00:32]  * Jucato thanks too
[00:35] <neversfelde|mobi> gn8
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ooh, meeting that i missed
[06:21] <Hobbsee> bah.  you all discuss eagles when i'm not here.
[06:24]  * Hobbsee puts her thoughts into #kubuntu-devel
[13:56] <pitti> hi all
[13:57] <seb128> hey pitti
[13:58] <kwwii> hi all
[13:58] <Hobbsee> oh noes, its' a meeting!
[13:58]  * pedro_ waves
[13:58]  * Hobbsee drowns
[13:58] <kwwii> da-da-da-duhhhhhhh
[13:59] <Keybuk> mvo, Riddell: ping
[14:00] <Riddell> hi
[14:00]  * seele yawns
[14:00]  * seele waves
[14:01] <mpt> Good aftermorning everybody
[14:01] <mvo> hello!
[14:01] <ted1> I think it's more premorning :)
[14:02] <MacSlow> Greetings!
[14:02] <Keybuk> ok, great
[14:03] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-04-17
[14:03] <Keybuk> I didn't see any agenda items in activity reports, so before we begin, does anyone have anything to add?
[14:03] <Keybuk> also nothing new on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage this week?
[14:03] <MacSlow> nope
[14:04] <pitti> nothing interesting beyond 'works better than last week'
[14:05] <Keybuk> ok, should be a quick meeting then :-)
[14:05] <Keybuk> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[14:05] <Keybuk> has one new item, bug #63450
[14:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63450 in acpid "acpid install fails (because of hal running)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63450
[14:06] <Keybuk> at a glance, that looks like something where the patch wasn't good, so should be removed from the sponsoring team?
[14:06] <pitti> mvo and I are currently actively discussing this in #u-devel and the bug
[14:06] <mvo> Keybuk: its a nasty one unfortunately
[14:06] <pitti> it's not at all clear what the problem is, or how to solve it properly
[14:06] <mvo> well, the problem is that if you have hal installed and not acpid and then install acpid it will fail
[14:07] <mvo> because /proc/acpi/event is already claimed by hald
[14:07] <pitti> so, the patch with restarting hal didn't work?
[14:07] <mvo> it does, but not in the general case, I have a test-case when during upgrade hal is unapcked but not configured yet
[14:08] <mvo> then acpid tries to restart it and hal hangs (no idea why exactly but it does)
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: add a check for /var/run/hald/hald.pid to the snippet?
[14:08] <mvo> if I change the ordering (by adding a pre-depends on hal into acpid) it works apparently
[14:08] <Keybuk> ok, sounds like a nasty one :)
[14:08] <Keybuk> looks like you have it in hand though
[14:08] <Keybuk> nothing new in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html today
[14:08] <mvo> pitti: yeah, sjoerd suggested this too, I try that next
[14:09] <pedro_> nop nothing new
[14:09] <Keybuk> couple of items from me:
[14:09] <Keybuk> - Performance Reviews are imminent, and some of you may have already received some of the mails for it
[14:09] <pitti> I got the announcement, but no personal ones with the URLs
[14:09] <pitti> (and I did check my spam filter :) )
[14:10] <Riddell> there isn't one, you just go to the URL and register and it'll send you another URL
[14:10] <Keybuk> - I won't worry about regular catch up calls again next week, to give you the maximum time for release work
[14:10] <Keybuk> but if you do want to chat, please don't hesistate to grab me
[14:12] <Keybuk> otherwise if there's no other business, I'll let you all get back to work?
[14:13] <pitti> CD testing seems reasonable so far, FWIW \o/
[14:13] <seb128> Keybuk: make sure we message that corporate users etc should wait for 8.04.1 if they want something rocking stable
[14:14] <seb128> there is no world is breaking issues but lot of annoying things still
[14:14] <pitti> they won't upgrade to hardy tomorrow anyway, I figure
[14:14] <pitti> not if you stayed on dapper on the desktop for that long
[14:14] <pitti> but it's important to have the .1 plan/announcement in the release notes, indeed
[14:19]  * mpt drops a pin
[14:20] <pitti> mpt: I heared that!
[14:20]  * MacSlow saw it
[14:20] <Keybuk> okok, adjourned ;)
[14:20] <seb128> thanks
[14:20] <pitti> happy testing everyone!
[14:20]  * mvo waves
[14:21]  * MacSlow wishes his pipe was faster
[14:21] <kwwii> danke
[14:21] <kwwii> MacSlow: I didn't think you smoked :-)
[14:21] <MacSlow> kwwii, english dude... english
[14:21] <MacSlow> kwwii, nice try :)
[14:21] <kwwii> :-)
[14:21] <kwwii> bye
[14:22] <MacSlow> back to clutter