[00:00] <kees> mario_limonciell: svideo used to work pre-gutsy...
[00:00] <mario_limonciell> kees, on that particular card?
[00:10] <kees> mario_limonciell: yeah
[00:11] <kees> I need to figure out the right place to report the issue.  I continue to be lazy...
[00:12] <mario_limonciell> kees, well if it was implemented, that would have been due to reverse engineering and not due to docs released then :)
[00:12] <mario_limonciell> i'd guess with the X.org bug tracker though?
[00:12] <kees> mario_limonciell: hehe.  possible.  xrandr actually lists it as a port, but never sees anything "connect" to it.
[00:14] <mario_limonciell> kees, how often do you "really" want to use svid though in the first place?  Once I went to DVI/VGA/HDMI, no looking back :)
[00:16] <kees> mario_limonciell: right, it's not for myth at all -- it'd be for things like showing photos on a TV when traveling to family's houses
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> ah yeah
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> that'd make sense
[00:17] <mario_limonciell> tell them to buy a new TV :)
[00:37] <bryce_> ok got the low down on the compiz/ati issue from alex.  sounds pretty bad
[00:49] <ubotu> New bug: #212526 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "monitor/video garbage (out of sync) even in a console (ALT+F2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212526
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #215664 in compiz (main) "Color of the windows shadow changes (dup-of: 186382)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215664
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #128299 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "avm fxusb_cz driver mod" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128299
[10:22] <tjaalton> whoa, new sun-java6 fixed the assertion bug when using xcb
[11:33] <james_w> seb128: hi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7274/ <- that's the change I was discussing with bryce last night, would you accept it?
[11:33] <james_w> obviously post-rc, so there's no rush if you are busy
[11:36] <seb128> james_w: I'm not sure to understand what the patch as doing
[11:36] <seb128> james_w: the version attached on bug #201589 is different
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201589 in gnome-control-center "Screens Resolution tool shows text labels not centered, overlapping monitor area " [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201589
[11:37] <seb128> I've no objection against dropping the change though
[11:38] <james_w> yeah, this patch has had a few changes in it's history. There's two parts really, the change to the font size, and the cario stuff yo center it.
[11:38] <james_w> upstream reduced the font size at some point to less than we were using, and when that was merged it wasn't noticed, and so we ended up increasing it, so we want to drop that part and just go with upstream
[11:39] <james_w> the cairo stuff was commented by me, as upstream changed things in that area, and it meant that the text wasn't visible with those calls.
[11:39] <seb128> makes sense
[11:39] <seb128> let's go back with what upstream is doing
[11:40] <james_w> bryce said that the latest version looks ok even with those lines commented, so I guess upstream solved it a different way.
[11:40] <seb128> ok, cool
[11:40] <seb128> let's do that
[11:40] <james_w> great, thanks.
[11:41] <james_w> I'm going to try and look at the clone issue today, and I also want to to work on the evolution/n-m bug if that is still open.
[11:41] <seb128> thank you for working on the changes ;-)
[11:41] <seb128> ok
[11:41] <seb128> upstream were discussing the nm issue
[11:42] <seb128> you might want to join their chan on gimpnet to discuss the bug, that's usually makes thing easier than having to figure what to change etc
[11:42] <james_w> I'll have a look, last time I looked the proposed patch wasn't satisfactory.
[11:42] <james_w> ah, thanks for the tip.
[11:42] <james_w> the code is pretty strange, I have a hunch that the meaning of the flags has actually reversed over time.
[12:02] <ubotu> New bug: #218592 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "acx hangs network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218592
[12:16] <james_w> this clone checkbox is pretty strange.
[13:11] <james_w> seb128: I've got a patch, but my screen is messed up now from testing, I'll be back shortly with it
[13:37] <james_w> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7282/
[13:38] <james_w> so it turns on clone mode if there is a pair of screens at 0,0 with the same width and height. I think that was the original intent of the code.
[13:50] <seb128> james_w: ok, good
[13:51] <james_w> I realised I can plug my desktop monitor in to my laptop, and so it's had some testing in dual screen as well.
[13:52] <seb128> ;-)
[13:52] <seb128> I should try that too, I only tested on configurations where there is one monitor so far
[13:52] <seb128> but plugging my desktop monitor on the laptop should be easy enough ;-)
[13:54] <james_w> yeah, unfortunately I can only get 640x480 in clone mode, and coming back out of it messes up my laptop screen.
[13:55] <seb128> what video driver?
[13:56] <james_w> intel
[13:56] <james_w> I managed to fix it up the first time with some xrandr calls, but not the second time.
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #218671 in xserver-xorg-input-elographics (universe) "MinY < MaxY leads to unexpected behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218671
[17:03] <ubotu> New bug: #218736 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] xine/mplayer/vlc/gstreamer output video in wrong colourspace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218736
[17:56] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, bryce rtg said that he's fine so long as slangasek is 
[17:57] <mario_limonciell> (and bryce is, which was already determined)
[18:09] <mario_limonciell> er i guess that was directed at a ghost :)
 tjaalton, bryce rtg said that he's fine so long as slangasek is 
 (and bryce is, which was already determined)
[18:22] <federico1> bryce: pingety ping :)
[18:26] <federico1> bryce_: ping
[18:26] <bryce_> heya
[18:26] <federico1> bryce_: hey!
[18:26] <federico1> how's the married man?
[18:26] <bryce_> hehe
[18:27] <bryce_> he's wishing for more than continental breakfasts at the moment ;-)
[18:27] <bryce_> federico1: I am noticing soeren is as quiet in person as he is in email ;-)
[18:28] <federico1> oh, you are in xdevconf?
[18:28] <federico1> yeah, he is - quiet freak genius, you know the type
[18:29] <federico1> bryce_: I wanted to ask you guys...
[18:30] <federico1> bryce_: "Detect displays" does nothing.  I'm tracing it, and randrwrap.c:fill_out_screen_info() calls XRRGetScreenResources().  That one gives only one output and crtc.  Is my xorg.conf fucked, or does my driver (radeon) not support hotplug, or do you have an idea of what's going on? :)
[18:30] <federico1> I'm about to build xorg-driver-video with debug info to see what's up
[18:34] <jcristau> federico1: could you pastebin the output of 'xrandr -q'?
[18:34] <federico1> cacharro$ xrandr -q
[18:34] <federico1> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 350, current 1400 x 1050, maximum 1400 x 1050
[18:34] <federico1> default connected 1400x1050+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[18:34] <federico1>    1400x1050      50.0* 
[18:34] <federico1> (and a bunch of other resolutions)
[18:34] <bryce_> -radeon and -radeonhd support xrandr 1.2, so should work
[18:34] <jcristau> federico1: yeah that's randr 1.1
[18:35] <bryce_> federico1: what version of driver and x server are you running?
[18:36]  * federico1 raises an eyebrow
[18:36] <federico1> cacharro$ rpm -q xorg-x11-driver-video
[18:36] <federico1> xorg-x11-driver-video-7.3-99
[18:37] <federico1> hmm, how can I get the actual driver version?  from thelog file?
[18:37] <bryce_> yep
[18:37] <bryce_> your Xorg.0.log should indicate it in the first three lines after loading it
[18:39] <jcristau> i'm guessing 6.3
[18:40] <federico1> (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/radeon_drv.so
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[18:40] <federico1>         compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 4.2.0
[18:40] <federico1>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[18:40] <federico1>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
[18:40] <federico1> (II) LoadModule: "ati"
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/ati_drv.so
[18:40] <federico1> (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[18:40] <federico1>         compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 6.6.3
[18:40] <federico1>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[18:40] <federico1>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
[18:40] <federico1> aha!
[18:41] <federico1> so that 6.6.3 is biting my ass?
[18:41] <jcristau> yup
[18:41] <jcristau> you need 6.8 (iirc) for randr 1.2
[18:41] <federico1> jcristau: ok,thanks
[18:41] <federico1> for some reason we have a bunch of -ati release tarballs in our srpm
[18:41] <federico1> both 6.6.3 and 6.8.0
[18:41] <federico1> let me untangle this and I'll let you know
[18:42] <federico1> jcristau: are you also working on the gnome-display-properties stuff?
[18:45] <bryce_> federico1: yep, some distros have stuck with 6.6.3 for stability.  I guess when xrandr got added, there came to be a lot of instabilities.
[18:46] <federico1> interesting
[18:46] <federico1> ok, I'll poke our X people
[18:46] <bryce_> federico1: jcristau isn't working on the gui
[18:46] <federico1> bryce_: ok 
[18:47] <federico1> bryce_: please do tell me where to pull from if you or soeren have some git love :)
[18:48] <bryce_> federico1: sure
[18:48] <bryce_> federico1: I suspect we're both too distracted by the conference to do much hacking on it this week though
[18:53] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: ok thanks, so I should('ve) push(ed) it to my ppa for people to test
[18:54] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, what's your PPA link?  I'll give it a run
[18:54] <federico1> bryce_: ok - have fun :)
[18:54] <federico1> bryce_: change that continental breakfast; it gets old fast
[18:54] <bryce_> hehe
[18:55] <bryce_> federico1: are you receiving responses from soeren?  I haven't seen any emails from him in about a month
[18:57] <federico1> bryce_: I got hist last reply about a week ago
[18:58] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: it's not there yet :)
[18:58] <federico1> bryce_: please ping me if you get together to chat over irc :)
[18:58] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, oh, read your statement wrong.  Let me know when it is
[18:59] <bryce_> federico1: certainly
[19:01] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: sure. it takes awhile to build the tarball etc. but it's pretty straightforward. I'll finish it after Lost :)
[19:03] <bryce_> tjaalton: status is looking pretty good now - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080417.html
[19:03] <bryce_> [the -ati numbers are wrong on that link]
[19:03] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[19:04] <bryce_> bug 204603 is the last milestoned X bug (well, also 198759)
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204603 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "occasional hard crash on vt switch" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204603
[19:05] <tjaalton> hmm, xserver-xgl is not on the team package list
[19:05] <tjaalton> not that I'd worry too much about it :)
[19:05] <bryce_> me either
[19:06] <bryce_> compare http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080410.html and http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_20080417.html, there's been nice progress this past week
[19:07] <tjaalton> bug 218785 is strange, I had the same problem yesterday
[19:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218785 in xorg "have to reinstall nvidia drivers on every reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218785
[19:07] <tjaalton> although a reinstall is not necessary, 'jockey-gtk --enable kmod:nvidia_new' is enough
[19:07] <tjaalton> must be something in lrm
[19:08] <bryce_> yeah I was messing with -nvidia and -nv a couple days ago and pulling my hair out
[19:08] <bryce_> although that wasn't latest hardy, so figured it wasn't worth a lot of troubleshooting time
[19:09] <ubotu> New bug: #218334 in xorg (main) "black screen of death" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218334
[19:11] <james_w> hi bryce 
[19:12] <james_w> hi federico1 
[19:13] <james_w> federico1: you might well want http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310/ as well
[19:16] <federico1> james_w: give me a description for "git commit -m" and I'll put it in
[19:17] <james_w>   * Invert the logic in the detection of clone mode so that it works for a
[19:17] <james_w>     single screen as well. Without this change single screens are always
[19:17] <james_w>     reported as clone, which makes no sense.
[19:17] <james_w> that was my changelog entry
[19:18] <federico1> james_w: ah, nice, thanks
[19:18]  * federico1 commits
[19:18] <federico1> yeah, I was wondering why that was turned on :)
[19:19] <james_w> do you think the clone checkbox should be insensitive if there is only one screen?
[19:21] <federico1> james_w: pushed!
[19:22] <james_w> thanks
[19:22] <federico1> james_w: yeah... can we do tooltips on insensitive widgets now?  if so, add a tooltip to say "cloning a display needs more than one monitor" or something :)
[19:22] <federico1> james_w: if you have a git repo somewhere, please ping me so that I can pull the love from you
[19:22]  * federico1 is a total git-remote whore these days
[19:22] <james_w> I'm not sure about that. I'm sure you know more about gtk+ than me :-)
[19:23] <federico1> james_w: let me check quickly
[19:23] <james_w> heh, I don't have a git repo I'm afraid. We haven't really got the whole VCS <-> source package thing worked out yet.
[19:24] <james_w> I've got to cook now, sorry.
[19:25] <federico1> james_w: yes, you can!  gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text() works fine for insensitive widgets
[19:26] <federico1> james_w: I have a super-quick script to build me an rpm from my git repo
[19:26] <federico1> james_w: let me mail it to you
[19:26] <james_w> I'd like to see it
[19:29] <federico1> james_w: mailed
[19:29] <federico1> you'll need to s/rpmbuild/apt-whatever, I assume :)
[19:29] <federico1> james_w: cook in peace - it's therapeutic
[19:29] <federico1> don't forget the PEPPER
[19:29] <federico1> lots of it
[19:43] <bryce_> heya james_w
[19:51] <federico1> w00t
[19:51]  * federico1 gets hotplug goodness
[19:51] <federico1> time to restart X
[21:18] <federico1> bryce_: woot, I changed to the ati 6.8.0 and I have some hotplug goodness :)
[21:19] <federico1> bryce_: but side-by-side doesn't work; I think it's the virtual size thing.  What do I need in my xorg.conf, if anything?
[21:28] <bryce_> federico1: you need something like this in your Screen section
[21:28] <bryce_> 	SubSection "Display"
[21:28] <bryce_> 		Depth		24
[21:28] <bryce_> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[21:28] <bryce_> #		Virtual		2560 2560
[21:28] <bryce_>                 Virtual         3840 1200
[21:28] <bryce_> 	EndSubSection
[21:28] <bryce_> note that if you go above 2048x2048, composited desktop won't work 
[21:29] <federico1> excellent
[21:29] <federico1> bryce_: thanks :)
[21:29] <bryce_> no prob
[21:29] <federico1> time to restart X again
[21:30] <bryce_> oh btw, that's yet another thing that would be nice to fix - we don't have any mechanism for modding the Virtual line in xorg.conf, and I suspect many users will be wishing for that
[21:30] <bryce_> however, I guess until we have left-of/right-of implemented in the GUI it's a moot point.
[21:31] <federico1> bryce_: huh?  I can already drag-and-drop the monitors in gnome-display-properties
[21:31] <federico1> bryce_: and they snap to the corners and everything
[21:32] <bryce_> oh?  I'd tried that but it didn't seem to do anything so I assumed it wasn't done yet.  Cool.
[21:32] <bryce_> so then that makes the Virtual thing high priority
[21:32] <federico1> bryce_: well, I could drag them, but reconfiguration didn't work.  I assumed it was the Virtual thing... let me restart and I'll tell you :)
[21:58] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: I'll have to postpone the new fglrx to next day, but will get to it early in the morning
[22:03] <mario_limonciell> okay 
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #212367 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGILL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212367
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #210458 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nVidia GLX-driver breaks console" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210458
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #212496 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000069gl() (dup-of: 190232)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212496
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #214452 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000092gl()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214452
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211555 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211555
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #211725 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211725
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #198451 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198451
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #214167 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxgears crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214167
[23:06] <ubotu> New bug: #185785 in mesa (main) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185785
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #213342 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Firefox seems to lock up glxinfo whenever I go to 'My Yahoo Mail"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213342
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #216514 in mesa (main) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in _XSend() (dup-of: 194249)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216514
[23:07] <ubotu> New bug: #216970 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "glxinfo crashed with SIGSEGV Nvidia Vanta 16MB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216970
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #211590 in mesa (main) "glxgears crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211590
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #214846 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "aticonfig crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214846