[00:17] <gNewPower>  Hi, how can I get the UUID of my swap partition (I need to edit /etc/fstab and enter a new swap UUID)?
[00:19] <zoredache> hrm.. do you know the current device name for the partion /dev/hdc?
[00:19] <zoredache> you could just put in the device name...
[00:19] <TheSheep> gNewPower: I'd just give it a label and use that
[00:19] <TheSheep> gNewPower: or run /usr/lib/udev/migrate-fstab-to-uuid.sh
[00:20] <gNewPower> what does /usr/lib/udev/migrate-fstab-to-uuid.sh do?
[00:20] <TheSheep> gNewPower: I have no idea
[00:21] <TheSheep> gNewPower: the second line of it might give you some hints though
[00:22] <zoredache> ah, I remeber now... use vol_id and the device name to get the uuid
[00:22] <TheSheep> zoredache: I think swap doesn't have uuid by default
[00:23] <zoredache> hrm...
[00:23] <TheSheep> zoredache: that script seems to generate it for swap partitions
[00:32] <zoredache> Can give me a quick example of extracting the contents of a cpio archive?
[00:34] <TheSheep> cpio -i -d < archive
[00:35] <zoredache> ah, great! thanks
[00:41] <zoredache> argh!!!  caspar is not casper
[00:42] <zoredache> we need more words so people can give things better names
[00:43] <TheSheep> I just came up with a cool name for a python module, for example
[00:43] <TheSheep> pykachu
[00:44] <TheSheep> not sure what it would be for, some gaming probably
[00:44] <danielm_> xD
[00:45] <zoredache> I have been reading the caspar docs for the last hour trying to figure out what it had to do with building livecd....  Turns out it has nothing to do with building livecds
[00:45] <zoredache> for that you want casper
[00:46] <TheSheep> caspyr could be a python version...
[00:46] <TheSheep> :D
[00:58] <sven> hey all, I've got a problem
[00:58] <bittin> !ask
[00:58] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:58] <sven> How do I enable a second video card?
[00:59] <zoredache> !dualhead
[00:59] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[01:00] <sven> ok, and how do I see my hardware information w/o GDM?
[01:00] <zoredache> of course in a perfect world it might be as easy as going to settings->displays and clicking a few buttons
[01:00] <zoredache> sorry... settings->screens+graphics rather...
[01:00] <sven> yeah, plug'n'play is pretty handy, when it's applicable
[01:01] <zoredache> I don't understand what you mean by see your hardware without gdm
[01:02] <sven>  a hardware manager, I can't find one in the menu
[01:02] <sven> I'm using fluxbox
[01:02] <TheSheep> sven: lspci or hwinfo should give you information in terminal
[01:04] <sven> ty, I'll bb if I can't figure it out
[01:32] <brynjolf> How do I run compiz and use xfwm4 for window decorations? Right now it goes back to metacity
[01:33] <TheSheep> brynjolf: you can't, afaik
[01:34] <brynjolf> ah, thats a shame
[01:35] <brynjolf> is it a case of me not understand what xfwm4 does or more that it isnt implemented?
[01:36] <Stroganoff> brynjolf: sudo apt-get install emerald
[01:36] <Stroganoff> emerald is the window manager of compiz
[01:37] <darthanubis> REALLY?
[01:37] <darthanubis> I thought metacity was
[01:38] <darthanubis> although one could use emerald
[01:38] <darthanubis> compiz does not come with emerald
[01:38] <Stroganoff> okay maybe metacity is getting composite features, too
[01:38] <brynjolf> not too fond of emerald to be honest
[01:38] <brynjolf> I'll just use gdm themes from xfce with metacity then :)
[01:39] <Stroganoff> metacity and emerald are your only choices i'm afraid
[01:39] <brynjolf> Thank you TheSheep and Stroganoff for your answers anyhow!
[01:39] <Stroganoff> ;)
[02:24] <m1r> hi
[02:24] <m1r> i lost taskbars from desktop, anyone know a way to restore them ?
[02:25] <TheSheep> press alt+f2 and type xfce4-panel
[02:33] <darthanubis> wow
[02:33] <darthanubis> guess that worked?
[02:34] <Tu13es> how can I keep them from opening?
[02:35] <m1r> TheSheep: many tnx for help, it is working now
[02:39] <freerise> where in etc are the login fortunes? so i can make them -x
[02:39] <gaurdro> 'slocate fortune'?
[02:47] <freerise> heh, only 10 more hours to get/upgrade everything with synaptic
[03:02] <freerise> i have 3 disk connected, i wonder why hal doesn't see sdd. it sees sda and sdc alright
[03:05] <darthanubis> what happens in 10hrs?
[03:05] <darthanubis> are those disks in fstab?
[03:08] <freerise> darthanubis: no, just sdc
[03:08] <freerise> i mean sda
[03:08] <darthanubis> well add them to the fstab?
[03:09] <freerise> cfdisk cant locate the darn thing
[03:09] <darthanubis> are you reading me?
[03:09] <darthanubis> edit the fstab
[03:10] <freerise> i just wanted to mount it to cp some stuff
[03:10] <darthanubis> you saying the hardware is not recognized by the pc?
[03:10] <freerise> yes
[03:10] <darthanubis> does your bios see the drives?
[03:10] <freerise> slackware sees the same disk fine
[03:11] <darthanubis> what does hdparm reveal?
[03:11] <freerise> yes
[03:11] <darthanubis> lshw?
[03:13] <freerise>  hdparm /dev/sdd
[03:13] <freerise> /dev/sdd: No such file or directory
[03:13] <freerise> udev hates me
[03:13] <darthanubis> are these removeable drives?
[03:14] <freerise> pata internals
[03:14] <darthanubis> sdc sdd sde?
[03:15] <freerise> sda sdc and sdd
[03:15] <darthanubis> have you tried editing the fstab to add those devs?
[03:16] <freerise> my cd and dvd's and on the motherboard connectors
[03:16] <darthanubis> can you answer that question?
[03:17] <freerise> not yet. i'll try it
[03:18] <freerise> yes
[03:19] <freerise> 'have i tried editing my fstab to add those devs?'  not yet
[03:19] <freerise> seems the fstab is screwed up, just a sec
[03:19] <gNewPower> could somebody please explain this line (output form a mount command) to me: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)?  what's this about errors remounting the partition in read only?!
[03:24] <freerise> http://pastebin.ca/987914  < /etc/fstab
[03:25] <darthanubis> gNewPower, googel ext3 and read up
[03:25] <darthanubis> if thats too much, its nothing to worry about
[03:25] <gNewPower> darthanubis: ok. thanks
[03:25] <darthanubis> simply means if there are errors found, it will be mount read only
[03:25] <darthanubis> to prevent further damage
[03:26] <darthanubis> but plz do read up
[03:26] <darthanubis> anything you find just paste into google and go for it
[03:26] <gNewPower> I understood that, but does he journalling not repair the errors?  how do you repair something which is mounted ro?
[03:26] <Stroganoff> gNewPower what have you done?
[03:26] <gNewPower> Stroganoff: what do you mean?
[03:26] <darthanubis> you'll get an answer much quicker than loggin in to irc, asking, waiting
[03:26] <darthanubis> etc
[03:26] <gNewPower> darthanubis: ok
[03:27] <darthanubis> :)
[03:29] <Stroganoff> gNewPower you can use knoppix or some other live-distro to repair your fstab or ext3
[03:30] <gNewPower> sure, but I don't think that anything is wrong with my system.  Everything is mounted rw
[03:30] <Stroganoff> k
[03:30] <gNewPower> I booted of this partition.
[03:30] <gNewPower> no problems.
[03:31] <gNewPower> I think that this is just some kind of "if errors then" which I do not understand
[03:31] <Stroganoff> that is an mount argument in fstab
[03:31] <Stroganoff> it means: if errors, remount with read-only (ro)
[03:32] <gNewPower> ok. I see that. but  does the journalling of ext3 not repair the errors?  how do you repair something which is mounted ro?
[03:32] <Stroganoff> there are more kinds of errors than data corruption
[03:33] <Stroganoff> for instance if you mount it with invalid arguments
[03:33] <gNewPower> Stroganoff: oh, ok.  Well, thanks for the explanation!
[03:33] <gNewPower> Stroganoff: its the third time you have pointed me towards a solution.  Thanks a lot!
[03:34] <gNewPower> bye everybody.
[03:35] <freerise> it seems i need to learn how to get my UUID for the hd to be able to add it to fstab
[03:35] <kenneth1> anyone know if xubuntu releases simultaneously with ubuntu?
[03:36] <kenneth1> for example, since ubuntu 8.04 is scheduled to release on Apr 24th, will xubuntu8.04 be available then as well?
[03:38] <freerise> i'll work on this disk thing later, getting tired. later all
[03:39] <kenneth1> freerise: can you answer my question?
[03:39] <kenneth1> I guess I'll take that as a no
[03:42] <Stroganoff> kenneth1: yes they do
[03:43] <kenneth1> Stroganoff: so I should expect xu* 8.04 on the 24th as well?
[03:43] <Stroganoff> redundancyyyy
[03:43] <Stroganoff> yes
[04:50] <j1mc> hey maxamillion
[04:52] <maxamillion> hello j1mc
[04:52] <maxamillion> j1mc: how goes it?
[04:54] <j1mc> hey, i'm ok
[04:54] <j1mc> kinda tired.  getting ready for bed.
[04:55] <j1mc> how are you?
[04:55] <maxamillion> j1mc: doing well, just poking around doing a little research at the moment .... about to read some more of my minix3 book before bed
[04:56] <j1mc> ah, ok.  cool
[04:57] <maxamillion> j1mc: in a month i will be moving somewhere that has a real internet connection so i hope to be able to help a little with bug triage (though, i can't promise too much)
[04:57] <j1mc> sure.  no worries.  :)
[04:58] <maxamillion> i'm actually really glad cody took over the project, that's a large part of the reason i will be coming back to help out
[04:58] <j1mc> it wouldn't be volunteering if you were made to do it.  ... someone told me that one time when i was only helping out sporadically on a project.
[04:58] <maxamillion> lol, good way to look at it
[05:01] <maxamillion> well the people in #kde are about as helpful as a brick
[06:32] <homebrewcider> got a new video card installed, what do I need to do? Anything?
[07:55] <arualavi> is anyoune using recent alternate iso cd install with spain keyboard?
[07:55] <arualavi> */anyone
[10:26] <mistform> hai
[10:27] <mistform> arualavi, how different is the spain keyboard?
[10:30] <mistform> lol
[10:31] <arualavi> mistform: it depends to what compares to
[10:31] <arualavi> mistform: maybe the keyboard aren't important what the keyboard map used
[10:31] <mistform> maybe you should play The Lord Archmage and help them translate. I can understand most of it, but some is a mess of accented characters
[10:32] <mistform> arualavi, subtle hints are for the weak minds
[10:32] <mistform> i'm sure there is a way to edit the keyboard map, I'm wondering how hard it would be for you if you went from Spain to US layout
[10:34] <arualavi> mistform: I don't know. I never used a US keyboard layout.
[10:34] <arualavi> what i'm traying to confirm is a bug with debian-installer and spain keyboard
[10:34] <arualavi> i can't write accented characters
[10:35] <arualavi> àáèéìó...
[10:35] <mistform> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418453
[10:35] <mistform> that may help you a little
[10:35] <mistform> i don't even use xubuntu
[10:35] <mistform> i use ubuntu, but I haven't even had that rig running for a month now
[10:36] <mistform> I'm here for a friend. I'm just trying to help you with basic troubleshooting.
[10:38] <mistform> arualavi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout
[10:39] <arualavi> mistform: thank you but i don't have problems with my keyboard layout once xubuntu is installed.
[10:39] <mistform> so the LiveCD has the errors?
[10:40] <mistform> [00:55] <arualavi> is anyone using recent alternate iso cd install with spain keyboard?
[10:40] <mistform> I thought you meant after the install you were having problems.
[10:41] <arualavi> mistform: no, alternate iso cd INSTALL
[10:41] <arualavi> my english sucks, i know
[10:41] <arualavi> apologies for it :-)
[10:41] <mistform> it's actually pretty good.
[10:42] <arualavi> i'm trayng to confirm a BUG with debian-installer
[10:42] <arualavi> */trying
[10:42] <mistform> there are just thousands of words in English that are interchangable yet many are not (though you would think)
[10:42] <mistform> okok
[10:42] <mistform> thought you needed help lol
[10:42] <mistform> yeah, or I should just read more, huh?
[10:43] <mistform> maybe I should change the colors of the text...
[10:43] <mistform> lol, that helps. I see a lot of things I didn't before
[10:43] <mistform> I saw this:
[10:43] <mistform> [03:35] <arualavi> i can't write accented characters
[10:43] <mistform> [03:35] <arualavi> àáèéìó...
[10:43] <mistform> I didn't see this:
[10:43] <mistform> [03:34] <arualavi> what i'm traying to confirm is a bug with debian-installer and spain keyboard
[10:44] <arualavi> mistform: what are you using for chat?
[10:51] <mistform> mIRC
[10:57] <mistform> anyways
[10:57] <mistform> i'm going to play xbox on live
[10:57] <mistform> later
[12:23] <nyn84> ahoi
[12:25] <nyn84> ich hätte ein Frage zu Xubuntu
[13:32] <homebrewcider> I've just upgraded my video card, what do I need to do? Anything?
[13:36] <TheSheep> sudo dokg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:38] <homebrewcider> that's it?
[13:41] <homebrewcider>  dokg-reconfigure: command not found
[13:43] <arualavi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:43] <arualavi> typo :-)
[13:54] <homebrewcider> ok
[13:54] <homebrewcider> run that script and answer the questions and that's it?
[14:06] <arualavi> homebrewcider: hopefully, yes.
[14:08] <homebrewcider> ok cheers
[14:38] <cody-somerville> Hello Everyone! The release candidate for the next version of Xubuntu is planned to be released tomorrow providing we get enough testing!
[14:38] <cody-somerville> Please visit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all to help! :)
[14:38] <cody-somerville> All four cds needed to be tested! :)
[15:04] <Helsu> What is the easiest way to use remote desktop to Xubuntu on a lan?
[15:06] <Helsu> I'll try http://www.tightvnc.com/index.html now.
[15:12] <Joelito> Does anyone know what's the name of the package to change timezones in xubuntu?
[15:18] <Helsu_> I want to remote control my Xubuntu from Vista, but this app that I think allows me to (TightVNC) isn't for Xubuntu
[15:18] <Helsu_> just fedora
[15:18] <Helsu_> just the source code is available
[15:19] <Helsu_> So is there any other way I can remote desktop my Xubuntu or should I just go for Windows Server instead?
[15:28] <ablomen> Helsu_, there are enough vnc servers for xubuntu
[15:29] <ablomen> including a tightvnc server, its all in the repositories (just search for vnc in synaptic)
[15:44] <Helsu_> Ok I set up knfc now
[15:44] <Helsu_> btw i couldn't find any vnc server when i searched for vnc
[15:46] <ablomen> Helsu_, http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/10/setup-vnc-server-for-ubuntu-gutsy.html
[15:47] <ablomen> you can skip the vnc-java stuff
[15:47] <ablomen> and step 3 if both pc's are in the same network
[15:49] <Helsu_> hmm
[15:49] <Helsu_> if desktop share is automatically enabled in ubuntu, why isn't it in xubuntu?
[15:50] <ablomen> i think because of the extra use of recourses, but im not a xubuntu dev, so dunno
[15:52] <Helsu_> if i skip the vnc java stuff i'll have to skip step 1
[15:52] <Helsu_> that can't be right
[16:06] <Helsu_> how do i install 32-bit libaries for xubuntu?
[16:46] <m11> hello all
[16:46] <m11> what is default name of image viewer in xubuntu ?
[16:49] <zoredache> qview or something like that ...
[16:50] <zoredache> m11: gqview
[16:51] <m11> zoredache: tnx
[17:05] <vandal2> can anyone give me their opinion on a php/mysql error?
[17:30] <oem> am trying to install Opera browser via snaptic but getting this output: opera:
[17:30] <oem>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.6-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed
[17:30] <oem>   Depends: libgcc1 (>=1:4.2.1) but 1:4.1.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[17:30] <oem>   Depends: libstdc++6 (>=4.2.1) but 4.1.2-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[17:30] <oem>   Depends: zlib1g (>=1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-1) but 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4 is to be installed
[17:34] <oem> also, i just (said successfully) installed lynx and links through synaptic, but cannot find any launcher in the menus, can anyone help please?
[17:35] <gabkdlly> oem: hi
[17:35] <cody-somerville> oem, It sounds like you're trying to install Opera for a newer version of Xubuntu then you have.
[17:35] <gabkdlly> lynx is a command line web browser, you need to run it in a terminal
[17:35] <cody-somerville> oem, As for lynx and links, there may not be menu launchers for them
[17:36] <cody-somerville> oem, But you can create your own if you'd like
[17:39] <oem> gabkdlly and cody, hello and thanks.  can you tell me how to run lynx in the terminal, and with regard to Opera, I was trying to mark it in my synaptic, so shouldn't it be the right package for my version?
[17:41] <gaurdro> lynx is meant to be run only from the terminal
[17:42] <cody-somerville> oem, You may have added the wrong repository
[17:42] <cody-somerville> Opera is made available via the Canonical commercial repository
[17:43] <oem> hmmm.  i believe i added the repository right from community docs, then reloaded synaptic, and then selected Opera.  let me go to software sources to get you the .deb i put there
[17:46] <oem> http://archive.canonical.com/ gutsy partner   ... note how there is a space after .com/ and between gutsy and partner, is that sposed to be like that?
[17:48] <gaurdro> did you reload synaptic or refresh the sources?
[17:48] <gaurdro> s/sources/repositories
[17:49] <zoredache> oem: yes the line 'http://archive.canonical.com/ gutsy partner' is correct...
[17:54] <oem> yes, i reloaded. synaptic prompted me to...
[17:55] <oem> i'm not sure if i'm running feisty or gutsy on this machine
[17:55] <oem> wish the splash pages would display a version #
[18:00] <oem> um, so, can someone tell me how to lauch lynx in the term?
[18:02] <oem> or, better, how to create launchers in my menu?
[18:06] <oem> hm... i guess this must be feisty on this machine as i just did sudo apt-get update and evrything on the list called feisty... how to do distro upgrade?  is it  'sudo apt-get install dist upgrade'?
[18:08] <gNewPower> does anyone use a bluetooth dongle with Xubuntu to send files to another device?
[18:24] <zoredache> oem: still there? to create a launcher to start lynx I would have the command be something like 'xfce4-terminal --title="Lynx" -x lynx'
[18:26] <sve2> hey all, I can't get a second monitor to work on my system
[18:26] <oem> zoredache: so if i put  xfce4-terminal --title="Lynx" -x lynx  in the box marked command, and choose an icon, that icon should then appear in my menu under network?
[18:27] <totalwormage> oem: yes
[18:27] <oem> ok, i try... thx
[18:27] <zoredache> oem: if you created the launcher under network then yes...  If you created the launcher on a desktop or panel, then it would show up on the desktop/panel
[18:28] <oem> hm, how do i choose those locations?
[18:28] <zoredache> if you want to create something on the desktop right click on the desktop and choose create launcher... if you want to create on a panel, right click on a panel and choose add new item... choose launcher from the list
[18:36] <Fraeon> So, kwestshun for the ages
[18:37] <Fraeon> Installed the 8.04 beta and the wireless is iffy
[18:37] <Fraeon> It detects my wireless stick, finds the networks, but when I try joining one (a WPA network), it just keeps asking the password over and over
[18:37] <Fraeon> And I'm sure I have the password correctly
[18:38] <TheSheep> !hardy
[18:38] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:38] <Fraeon> Right
[18:39] <Helsu_> hmm i'll install ubuntu instead
[18:39] <Helsu_> maybe it works better
[18:39] <Helsu_> if that doesn't work i'll go for windows server
[18:49] <PriceChild> Fraeon: make sureyou are using the right case
[18:50] <Fraeon> Eh, I was the one who picked the password
[18:50] <Fraeon> And it works on my 2 other computers (tried it)
[18:51] <zoredache> just for trouble shooting purposes have you tried temporarily disabling wpa on the access point?
[18:52] <Fraeon> No
[18:54] <zoredache> if it was me, I suspect I would try that.
[18:56] <suriro> hello
[18:56] <suriro> I did a Hardy net install today with Xubuntu desktop (amd64)
[18:57] <suriro> the terminal does not seem to be performing hinting
[18:57] <suriro> all the rest of fonts on desktop is very good, hinted...
[18:58] <suriro> tried various fonts from Terminal's prefs, no use.
[18:59] <TheSheep> suriro: try terminus
[18:59] <TheSheep> suriro: you need to install it separately
[18:59] <TheSheep> \but it's worth it
[19:00] <suriro> TheSheep: I have another xfce desktop from Fedora here, and its Terminal does hinting.
[19:01] <suriro> Terminal uses vte library, right?
[19:17] <cody-somerville> Hello Everyone! The release candidate for the next version of Xubuntu is planned to be released tomorrow providing we get enough testing!
[19:17] <cody-somerville> Please visit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all to help! :)
[19:17] <cody-somerville> All four cds needed to be tested! :)
[19:22] <Helsu_> what is the point of all this typing of my password in linux generally?
[19:22] <Helsu_> it is worse than UAC in Vista
[19:23] <Helsu_> is it a way to turn of off?
[19:24] <zoredache> Helsu_: there are ways o configure things to that you are propted less for passwords if you are willing to accept the additional risk that something evil could use that change to do bad things
[19:25] <zoredache> setting up sudo to have a longer time out, or to not require a password for example
[19:25] <Helsu_> how do i turn it off then?
[19:25] <Helsu_> everyone hates UAC, I don't see how this is any better
[19:26] <zoredache> documentation for sudo can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[19:27] <zoredache> of course I don't use that, and once I was done installing I almost never use a password on my local system
[19:29] <Free_Beer> Are there any links pointing to a relative comparison of speed of Xubuntu vs, say, regular Ubuntu?   I'm considering Xubuntu for an older machine.  Memory is ok (512M) but slow processor.
[19:34] <zoredache> I am not aware of any Free_Beer... What kind of cpu are you talking about?  Did you check the specs page?
[19:34] <zoredache> !lowmem
[19:34] <ubotu> For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems.  See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements.
[19:34] <Free_Beer> hiya.  It's an older 733mhz machine.  Ubuntu runs on it, but it's a tas slow
[19:34] <Free_Beer> tad*
[19:36] <Free_Beer> *thanks for those links.. gonna have a quick peek at them...
[19:36] <Helsu_> out of curiosity, what kind of person uses it?
[19:36] <zoredache> what kind of person uses what?
[19:36] <zoredache> xubuntu?
[19:36] <Helsu_> that slow a computer.
[19:37] <zoredache> Free_Beer: Xubuntu will run, but I suspect your slowness isn't going to be from the windowing enviroment...
[19:38] <Free_Beer> Quite possibly, but the cli seems perky enough
[19:38] <zoredache> Firefox 2.x for example would be slow on that whatever enviroment you choose... ff2.x is a memory/cpu hog in my experience
[19:38] <Free_Beer> the intended user is my 74 year old father who I'm going to convert into a Linux Warrior. :-)
[19:39] <zoredache> firefox 3.x seems significantly speedier though..
[19:43] <Free_Beer> I can't tell about FF3... I've only ever tried it on this klunker that I'm reclaiming. :-)
[19:45] <Free_Beer> it's possible, too, that I'd get a boost in performance if I changed to a better vid card.
[19:46] <Free_Beer> my father has very little experience with computers (read: no bad Windows habits) so speed really isn't going to be that big of an issue... I'd just like it to be as perky as possible.  (Which is why I might consider Xubuntu.)
[19:50] <Helsu_> are you in the usa?
[19:52] <Free_Beer> me?  No.  But I'm close. :-)
[19:52] <Helsu_> canada?
[19:53] <Free_Beer> yup.
[19:53] <Free_Beer> And if they drew the border slightly differently, I would be in the US.
[19:53] <Helsu_> lucky you tehn
[19:53] <Helsu_> then*
[19:53] <Free_Beer> hehe
[19:53] <Free_Beer> US is ok. People are great. (usually)
[19:54] <Helsu_> yeah but the country is a bit fucked up right now, isn't it?
[19:55] <Free_Beer> economy is having its issues, but that's just the cyclic nature of it.  Politics can be a little weird, tho. (but that can be said of any nation) ;)
[19:56] <Free_Beer> Since they haven't asked me to be their Supreme Dictator, I guess they're satisfied with what they have already. :D
[19:57] <maxamillion> !language
[19:57] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:58] <Helsu_> i think i'll buy a webohotel in the usa now
[19:59] <Helsu_> now that the dollar is so low
[19:59] <Free_Beer> and properties are dropping back to more reasonable levels
[20:00] <Free_Beer> although that's mostly residential.. whereas commercial properties seem to be maintianing their values
[20:03] <Free_Beer> well, thanks for the info and chat... got to get back to work. ;)
[20:08] <floating> Hi. i have a linux question. i have a dual boot linux and windows in grub. i plan to uninstall this linux partition and install another linux partition over it. so after i have uninstalled the linux partition, is the bootloader messed up, and can the xubuntu install then fix it right after that, when i install xubuntu
[20:14] <floating> okay, i guess i do the mbrfix thing^^
[20:21] <Helsu_> fixmbr not mbrfix
[20:36] <xxxxxxx> can 1080p h264 be done on linux?
[20:36] <zoredache> when you say 'done', do you mean viewed, created, or?
[20:38] <zoredache> if you are wanting to view video files the answer is probably yes, but you would have to install the non-free codecs.. As for creating it, you would probably need to ask someone else
[20:44] <xxxxxxx> yes just viewing
[20:44] <xxxxxxx> there are non free codecs for linux? what are they called?
[20:44] <zoredache> !codecs
[20:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:44] <TheSheep> xxxxxxx: win32codecs :)
[20:45] <xxxxxxx> ah i see as long as it's possible
[20:45] <floating> is there a good guide for when you first start-up xubuntu, like installing codecs and other stuff
[20:45] <floating> i remember there is/was such for ubuntu but
[20:45] <xxxxxxx> i ordered an athlon x2 5000+ and a gigabyte mobo with 780g hdmi
[20:45] <zoredache> many of the instructions for ubuntu are the same for xubuntu
[20:46] <xxxxxxx> thanks guys for pointing me in the right direction
[21:33] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/988712 Hi. I got this stuff right off the start
[21:34] <maxamillion> floating: after you hit ctrl-d what happened?
[21:36] <floating> it prompted the normal login.. xfce
[21:36] <floating> and everything seems fine.. but still strange
[21:38] <maxamillion> floating: yeah, have you run updates? it appeared that the fsck process crashed on startup (which isn't critical, but still not good)
[21:38] <floating> i dont know much about linux, but i guess when i installed the system it tried to check if filesystem is fine, but it couldnt read that long name, which could be the name of this partition or something and it skipped it ?
[21:38] <floating> yeah, i just installed all the 120 updates there were
[21:38] <maxamillion> well its the UUID, and i don't see why it wasn't able to resolve
[21:39] <maxamillion> floating: is it installed on a different computer than the one you are talking to me on right now?
[21:39] <floating> no, im on it right now
[21:40] <maxamillion> hmmm... i was hoping you could reboot without having to sign off ... i'm curious to see if it happens after the updates
[21:42] <floating> ill try reboot now
[21:42] <maxamillion> ok, i'll still be here when you get back
[21:45] <floating> same happened
[21:45] <maxamillion> hmmm...
[21:45] <maxamillion> that's not good
[21:45] <floating> "please check the filesystem manually" or something was after the text also
[21:46] <maxamillion> floating: open a terminal and type "sudo fsck" and see what it says there
[21:46] <floating> then when stuff started loading fast, i saw another "fail" or "failed" on the load list, and im not sure but i thought it said wrong fstype...
[21:47] <floating> same
[21:48] <floating> /dev/sda3: recovering journal
[21:48] <floating> /dev/sda3: clean, 96813/452480 files, 492862/903648 blocks
[21:48] <floating> those 2 lines comes before the "unable to resolve" line
[21:48] <maxamillion> ok, so it can't resolve by uuid, but it can by device name
[21:48] <maxamillion> interesting
[21:48] <maxamillion> i wonder if the installer probed uuid incorrectly
[21:52] <floating> seems like others have had similar problems
[21:52] <floating> i have bunch of other problems facing here too :)
[21:52] <floating> or questions..
[21:53] <floating> well, ill do some googling:i
[21:54] <maxamillion> floating: ok, feel free to come back if you get stuck
[21:59] <floating> uhhm, my fstab looks weird :D
[21:59] <floating> xubuntu has set one of my windows partitions as ext3 partitions in fstab
[21:59] <maxamillion> oh that's not good
[22:00] <maxamillion> yeah, i don't doubt there is a problem with the installer
[22:00] <maxamillion> floating: what version are you using?
[22:01] <floating> i took the latest xubuntu 7.something from xubuntu site
[22:03] <oem> if i executed  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and my os was feisty, then i should be upgrading to gutsy, correct?  i'm wondering why the files are still saying  'feisty updates'
[22:04] <maxamillion> floating: oh ok
[22:04] <maxamillion> oem: no
[22:05] <oem> maxamillion, here's output: After unpacking 179MB of additional disk space will be used.
[22:05] <oem> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[22:05] <oem> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main linux-headers-2.6.20-16 2.6.20-16.35 [8120kB]
[22:05] <maxamillion> oem: apt-get dist-upgrade just pulls the latest kernel and other "dist" respective libraries/modules ... you need to change the listings in your /etc/apt/source.list from feisty to gutsy and then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:05] <oem> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.35 [842kB]
[22:05] <oem> Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main linux-headers-generic 2.6.20.16.28.1 [24.5kB]
[22:05] <oem> Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.35 [23.8MB]
[22:05] <oem> 66% [4 linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 23456824/23.8MB 98%]
[22:05] <maxamillion> oem: yeah, that's just pulling updates for feisty
[22:06] <oem> i'm actually trying to install opera, and since i keep getting probs with it, i thought i needed to update possibly, it's telling me there are unmet dependencies
[22:07] <oem> well, these are important updates just the same right?
[22:08] <maxamillion> oem: oh yeah, generally all updates are important :)
[22:08] <oem> i want to be up to date when stable hardy is ready.  will the update manager take me through two upgrades at that time?  feisty > gutsy > hardy?
[22:09] <zoredache> I don't believe a feisty -> hardy upgrade is supporte or tested...
[22:10] <oem> but feisty > gutsy is, right?
[22:10] <gaurdro> you can do a feisty-> gutsy upgrade now and when hardy comes out you can then do a gutsy-> hardy
[22:11] <oem> maxamillion, what are the changes ezackly that i have to make to sources for that upgrade?
[22:12] <oem> din't understand you completely when you said:  apt-get dist-upgrade just pulls the latest kernel and other "dist" respective libraries/modules ... you need to change the listings in your /etc/apt/source.list from feisty to gutsy and then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:15] <floating> maxamillion: by changing that one misentry ext3 to proper ntfs, it mounts the ntfs now also, and that fsck error dont appear and that "sudo fsck" dont give it either ^^ problem fixed :)
[22:15] <floating> so it was some bad installer for fstab :)
[22:19] <maxamillion> floating: oh, that's good to know
[22:19] <maxamillion> floating: thanks for the info :)
[22:20] <maxamillion> oem: yeah, you might want to look into using the graphical upgrade utility to upgrade between releases ... i don't want to send you into editing the /etc/apt/sources.list until you have a better understanding of the system
[22:23] <gaurdro> oem:  something that might be worth a try is update-manager -d   it will open the update notifier but will give you the option of doing a distrobution upgrade
[22:27] <maxamillion> yeah, that thing
[22:28] <maxamillion> i couldn't remember what its called
[23:11] <oem> guys what about a quikly addable floating calendar app?  just tried to get rainlendar but some dependency unsatisfiable ...
[23:12] <TheSheep> orage...
[23:13] <oem> thesheep, will i find that in synaptic?
[23:13] <TheSheep> oem: it's inalled by default
[23:14] <oem> don't see it anywhere on my menu
[23:14] <TheSheep> office->calendar
[23:15] <oem> beautiful, thanx, trying to visualise a trip itinerary and not easy without calendar
[23:15]  * TheSheep always uses 'cal' from the terminal