| stdin | Tonio_: it's on his wiki though, linked to from LP | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| stdin | (email that is) | 00:11 |
| Tonio_ | stdin: ah right ! | 00:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: email is gone...... now I have to sleep a bit :) | 00:16 |
| Tonio_ | one critical issue fixed, a think I can go sleep more that 3 hours for once :) | 00:17 |
| === kewark is now known as krawek | ||
| * stdin needs a pair of eyes and chooses Jucato | 01:17 | |
| stdin | have a peek at http://stdin.me.uk/code/kmountfile/ for me, it's about a day and a half's work | 01:17 |
| stdin | actually anyone can peek at it :) | 01:17 |
| Ashex | I'm testing the RC Candidate, currently doing install of i386 KDE4 | 01:51 |
| Ashex | when resizing an ext3 partition in manual partitioning, the progress bar for checking ext3 stays at 0% | 01:51 |
| Ashex | and the next progress bar, resizing partition, stays at 50% | 01:52 |
| Ashex | as in, jumps to 50%, doesn't work it's way up to it, and stays there while resizing | 01:52 |
| Ashex | well, I sent out my installer bugs to the mailing list | 02:17 |
| Ashex | isn't amarok supposed to be installed by default? | 02:36 |
| rickeyd | i see who is away ,but who all IS here | 03:47 |
| rickeyd | in other words HELLO | 03:48 |
| e-uoaphys | hi | 03:49 |
| e-uoaphys | im here | 03:49 |
| nixternal | yo yo | 05:01 |
| nixternal | wolfger_: sitting in Madison Heights by the Micro Center | 05:01 |
| nixternal | at the Motel 6 | 05:01 |
| wolfger_ | @nixternal: wtf? Go to bed, man. :-) | 05:22 |
| * wolfger_ is hitting the sack. Penguicon begins in ernest tomorrow | 05:23 | |
| nixternal | hahah | 05:23 |
| nixternal | to buzzed :) | 05:23 |
| nixternal | just left Jorge's house a bit ago | 05:23 |
| Jucato | :D | 05:23 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 05:24 |
| Jucato | boozed :) | 05:24 |
| nixternal | yo know it | 05:24 |
| nixternal | you | 05:24 |
| Jucato | it shows :) | 05:25 |
| nixternal | why thanks :) | 05:27 |
| Jucato | you're very much welcome :) | 05:31 |
| Jucato | now get some more booze :P | 05:31 |
| nixternal | I am out :) | 05:31 |
| nixternal | gotta wake up in a few hours to get to penguicon it seems | 05:31 |
| Jucato | if you can :) | 05:31 |
| Jucato | watch out for the hangover :) | 05:31 |
| nixternal | no hangover here :) | 05:32 |
| nixternal | although, I did drink a really nasty beer I took out of the fridge at Jorge's :p | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: this is not a gnome channel, this is not a support channel. Haven't you figured that out yet? | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: thoughts? | 05:34 |
| ScottK | This is the same guy that was hitting on you in #kubuntu-testers last year, right? | 05:35 |
| * ScottK doesn't have a lot of patience for that one. | 05:35 | |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yeah. | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: and the propriatory, windows-only debugger in #ubuntu-devel | 05:36 |
| ScottK | Yeah. That one. | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: unless you give me some mindblowingly good reason *not* to ban eagles, as per the conversation last night.... | 05:36 |
| nixternal | uh oh | 05:37 |
| * nixternal hides | 05:37 | |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: you never told me about the 'hitting on' part...that is call for removal if you ask me | 05:38 |
| Jucato | yeah, no one hits on Hobbsee except nixternal!! | 05:38 |
| Jucato | no one!! | 05:38 |
| nixternal | hey now...don't go getting me in trouble with that long pointy stick! | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, ti was one of the things to remove him last time for. | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i have him on ignore this time, so he may have tried to, but failed. | 05:43 |
| nixternal | sorry, I don't go for that...I am sure you know my position on that anyways..that is going way to far | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | i'll give apachelogger a chance to respond, as he has been working with eagles0513875 often...but if he doesn't come up with anything mind shattering... | 05:45 |
| * Jucato wonders why the latest Dot article is soooooo wide... like nixternal's smiles | 05:46 | |
| nixternal | hold on now :) | 05:48 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: in this case i feeel you are a little triggerhappy. i don't know the history of this eagle guy, but the other day you banned him from -motu when he said something you didn't like in here. That is not something I like very much, even if he does have a hairy ban-history. To me as an spectator it looks crazy. He actually tries to help fix a bug, and gets banned from the channel we in here, suggested he go to for packaging related questions | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: actually, that was a long standing ban which actually got removed by accident. | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: the fact that i saw him in here made me think to check there, notice that it had gone, adn reinstate it before he got there. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: i'm glad that you'll help him out further with all his bugwork. | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: thank you for offering. | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | (some people removed a whole lot of my, and everyone else's bans, to generally clear out the banlists, but there were some that should have stayed, which got missed) | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | (my bad for not documenting them. I now have) | 06:00 |
| fdoving | i just try to answer questions regardless of who asks. | 06:01 |
| fdoving | and i start diskliking ubuntu ops, most are very arrogant. | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: i hope it doesn't require 6 hours of your time to help him write 2 simple, 5 minute each patches. I thank you for offering up your time so willingly, though. | 06:01 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: i don't but he's free to ask. even if no one will reply. | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: only if he doesn't stop development. | 06:02 |
| fdoving | hah. everyone who feels he is a burden with all his questions can /ignore him. or anyone else. | 06:02 |
| Jucato | as long as he stops flooding the channel with bot queries and asking for bug confirmations (which he can probably accomplish better in user channels) | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: or asking user questions in development channels? | 06:03 |
| fdoving | banning and removing is ok to prove a point, but long standing bans for months doesn't serve any purpose for people trying to learn and help. | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: the idea of bans is that hte person thinks about their behaviour, and changes. | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | and that they cool off | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | have you seen that this has happened? | 06:04 |
| fdoving | there should be such a thing for ops too. | 06:04 |
| fdoving | a /cooldown | 06:04 |
| fdoving | anyway, i need to go to work. | 06:04 |
| fdoving | bye. | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: if there wasn't such a one already.... | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: then he would have been gone days ago. | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | still, why not get all the ops to quit, then you can do their job? Bet you'd do a good job, even with people ripping into you when they didn't agree, when they haven't even seen the past history. | 06:05 |
| * Hobbsee ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power. | 06:09 | |
| Hobbsee | that would be interesting to see. | 06:10 |
| Jucato | oh krap nixternal's busy right? hm... ok.. next week then | 06:10 |
| ScottK | Jucato: He's not busy. He's drunk. | 06:10 |
| * Hobbsee wishes she was drunk. | 06:11 | |
| Jucato | he's busy being drunk, trying to sleep, trying not to have a hangover when he wakes up, and trying to wake up for penguicon... | 06:11 |
| Jucato | all at the same time | 06:11 |
| ScottK | As long as he drinks enough water he'll avoid the hangover and his body will 'urge' him to wake up. It should all work out. | 06:12 |
| nixternal | just had another 3 beers for you :) | 06:19 |
| Jucato | lol | 06:20 |
| nixternal | yay, 5 hours now until the show starts...bad thing, Jono is talking during the | 06:21 |
| nixternal | tesla coils | 06:21 |
| * nixternal zzZzzZzzzzz | 06:22 | |
| nixternal | g'nite! | 06:22 |
| Jucato | g'night! | 06:23 |
| Jucato | I'll bug you next week | 06:23 |
| Jucato | you and jjesse... or after Hardy's release | 06:23 |
| eagles0513875 | Hobbsee: morning? | 06:47 |
| Jucato | (afternoon actually) | 06:48 |
| eagles0513875 | 748 am for me | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: hi | 06:48 |
| eagles0513875 | what u mean by ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: just wondering what fdoving would do, if that happened. | 06:49 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | !u > eagles0513875 | 06:56 |
| * eagles0513875 bangs head ondesk | 06:56 | |
| Hobbsee | blink | 07:10 |
| * Hobbsee eyes konversation source | 07:10 | |
| eagles0513875 | Hobbsee: sigh | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | dude, who last merged konversation? | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | smarter, mabye | 07:14 |
| eagles0513875 | Hobbsee: not i i honestly dont know what ur talking bout | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | Kubuntu's lack of QA concerns me sometimes... | 07:17 |
| jussi01 | !u > eagles0513875 | 07:18 |
| * eagles0513875 goes to find a gun | 07:18 | |
| Hobbsee | dammit. this is dpatch. | 07:20 |
| * jussi01 breaks konversation and hands Hobbsee quassel :) | 07:21 | |
| Hobbsee | dammit x2. smarter, this is dpatch. | 07:21 |
| * Hobbsee rejects the broken package | 07:24 | |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| * eagles0513875 is nice knowing i havent borked anythign today | 07:26 | |
| Hobbsee | it helps to actually apply patches. | 07:27 |
| * Hobbsee is too used to simple patchsys | 07:27 | |
| Hobbsee | argh, crap. that's gone into gutsy too | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: fixed your bad merge of konversation. Perhaps you'll want to do a SRU? | 07:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you didn't change the patch which makes it go to #debian by default - affects users without kubuntu-default-settings installed. | 07:31 |
| apachelogger | maybe debian could not patch it but use kiosk instead? -.- | 07:51 |
| Hobbsee | true | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: they probably want it to happen for non=kde installs though | 07:52 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: just make very package with such configurations depend on kde-debian-configurations or something | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: which every single kde package depends on. right. | 07:53 |
| apachelogger | nope | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | well, every single dke package with a changed config does. yes. | 07:54 |
| apachelogger | yes | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | which is a good chunk of them, i think | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 07:54 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 07:54 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: still I think patching defaults is a bad thing to do | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: true. | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: sending to #kde may be preferable, in this case. | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | but i don't really see how | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | (as that's where the original default is, iirc) | 07:55 |
| apachelogger | maybe not make the packages depend on a configuration package at all | 07:56 |
| mhb | good morning folks | 07:56 |
| mhb | hi Hobbsee, apachelogger | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | heya mhb | 07:56 |
| apachelogger | this conflicts with my idea of the original software | 07:56 |
| apachelogger | if someone wants a plain KDE he should get a plain KDE IMO | 07:56 |
| apachelogger | hey mhb | 07:56 |
| === mornfall_ is now known as mornfall | ||
| \sh | apachelogger, if someone wants a plain KDE he gets a plain KDE by compiling KDE directly ;) | 08:03 |
| === hads_ is now known as hads | ||
| davmor2 | Riddell: No more surprise cd's to come through are there? | 09:32 |
| Jucato | davmor2: may I ask how do you usually test the ISO's? virtualization? always on another machine? | 09:34 |
| davmor2 | Jucato: I test on hardware I currently have three test machines | 09:35 |
| Jucato | oh wow. | 09:35 |
| davmor2 | Jucato: why? | 09:38 |
| Jucato | just wondering. I've never been of much use to ISO testing :) | 09:39 |
| Jucato | slow download speeds, only 1 desktop and a family laptop :) | 09:39 |
| eagles0513875 | right now im not much either im on one machine right now my other 4 r in the us | 09:39 |
| davmor2 | you can test in vm | 09:40 |
| eagles0513875 | virtual box i must say has some oddities to it it especially when testing linux | 09:40 |
| Jucato | davmor2: with 1.5GHz and 1GB RAM, you can imagine how slow that gets :) | 09:40 |
| eagles0513875 | when i do ctrl f1 for instance it changes my main machine to one of the tty desktops not even on the local machine | 09:40 |
| eagles0513875 | Jucato: im not much better im on an athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz with 1.25gb ram so in a way i feel ya | 09:41 |
| Jucato | heh you call that "not much better"? :D | 09:41 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: more annoying as heno found out is atl-ctrl-backspace :) | 09:41 |
| eagles0513875 | wait that restarts | 09:42 |
| eagles0513875 | x | 09:42 |
| etretyak | Tonio_: ping | 09:43 |
| Jucato | well actually it kills X... but I think kdm makes it restart again | 09:43 |
| davmor2 | my slow machine is an old amd64 single core 3400+ 1g of ram. Next would be the intel dual-core and then my Laptop amd 64 x2 2g ram and then my main machine amd64 x2 2g :) | 09:45 |
| Jucato | rawr! | 09:46 |
| * Jucato thinks he can finally upgrade in 2 years | 09:46 | |
| eagles0513875 | davmor2: is it a turion x2 | 09:47 |
| eagles0513875 | cuz i have been having a nightmare gettign it to work on my new laptop | 09:47 |
| davmor2 | ye laptop is works fine | 09:47 |
| eagles0513875 | wtf then why cant i get it to work on mine | 09:47 |
| eagles0513875 | i can install it with the alternat cd then when booting it hangs on loading hardware devices | 09:48 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: only issue I have is the broadcom wifi cause I love freedom ;) | 09:48 |
| eagles0513875 | davmor2: cant help u there i cant even get to a desktop like i said im able to install it but it hangs on loading hardware devices this is hardy btw | 09:48 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: are you running 32bit or 64bit on it | 09:49 |
| eagles0513875 | gutsy for me has a pnp bios bug | 09:49 |
| eagles0513875 | davmor2: tried both 32 and 64bit | 09:49 |
| eagles0513875 | on this old laptop imrunning 64bit hardy beta no problem | 09:49 |
| eagles0513875 | my machine is an hp tx1308nr tablet | 09:49 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: Have you tried running it with the noapic line on boot? | 09:50 |
| eagles0513875 | davmor2: i dont remember ive given up for now | 09:51 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: what laptop is it? | 09:51 |
| eagles0513875 | hp tx1308nr tablet | 09:51 |
| davmor2 | eagles0513875: oh well if you will buy these tablet ;) | 09:52 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 09:52 |
| eagles0513875 | rub it in y dont ya | 09:52 |
| Jucato | tab...let... | 09:53 |
| * Jucato drools | 09:53 | |
| eagles0513875 | not worth it Jucato | 09:54 |
| eagles0513875 | especiallly when u cant get ur favorite linux distro on it | 09:55 |
| Jucato | any linux distro would do if that's the case :) | 09:55 |
| Jucato | n8k99 is working on that front btw | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | !u | eagles0513875 | 09:56 |
| ubotu | eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on.. | 09:56 |
| * eagles0513875 gets pen thats in my hand and plans on sending it through my forehead | 09:56 | |
| Jucato | eagles0513875: too much AOL or too much txting? :) | 09:56 |
| eagles0513875 | both | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | etretyak: pohng ? | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | s/h// :-) | 10:26 |
| Jucato | maybe you meant phong? :) | 10:27 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no surprises, we just need to fill in all the gaps we can, should get releasesd late afternoonish | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | did someone call I had a hard freeze | 10:36 |
| etretyak | Tonio_: i got you mail :) | 10:37 |
| etretyak | I think I can fix this bug today | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: there seems to be no icon for oem "Prepare for shipping to customer" | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | etretyak: that would be super :) | 10:41 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no there's not, I think we have more important bugs though :) | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | just letting you know :) | 10:42 |
| === smarter_ is now known as smarter|eee | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: how does kubuntu_02_spaced_args.patch work? | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: pretty well | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no need to quote args now due to kshellprocess -> kprocess transition | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you can try to kdesudo dolphin "folder with space in name" | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that didn't work since the kprocess rewrite, now it does :) | 11:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: didn't we make kdesudo need everything on quotes deliberately to make it compatible with kdesu? | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's what kprocess does, it quotes automagically | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if I quote manually and pass the arg to kprocess, then we end up with double quotes and it doesn't work if there is spaces in name | 11:22 |
| Riddell | does kdesudo "ls *" work now? | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum lemme try, I use zsh so that's a bit different :) | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: all folder names are passed as argument :) | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: quite dirty, but works | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ mkdir "bla bla" | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls * | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | passprompt | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ touch bla\ bla/test | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls * | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | test | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | seems to work with spaced names folders :) | 11:25 |
| Serega | hi folks! | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are you okay with this ? | 11:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so long as it doesn't break anything, we did make it need quoted arguments to be compatible with kdesu for a reason (although I can't remember what) | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it was for spaced named folders | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but we added the quote manually due to kshellprocess usage | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and because we were creating a hudge string send to the process | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | then we had to quote | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: now we are doing a p* << arg(i) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this quotes automatically, so we end up with double quotes and that broke with spaced named folders | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then I wrote that patch, tested everything for one hour, and the behavior is really kdesu compatible | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is even better in some cases | 11:30 |
| Riddell | ok | 11:31 |
| Riddell | if you say it works, then it works :) | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for example if a buggy script double quotes : kdesudo dolphin "'bla bla'" | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | that'll work, but won't with kdesu.distrib | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it just works as it used to before the kprocess transition | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | the fact that it autoquotes isn't very well documented :) that's why I didn't fix before.... | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | and because I never put spaces in files names..... I couldn't see it :) | 11:33 |
| Riddell | kwwii: new quite abstract logos http://www.koffice.org/artwork/ | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but since kdesu has very strange reactions with args sometimes, I understand you really need to be sure.... | 11:34 |
| kwwii | Riddell: wow, those are really different | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: even if I know it well, it is sometimes hard to understand what it does :) | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | smarter_: ping | 11:40 |
| smarter_ | Hobbsee: pong | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | smarter_: have you used dpatch before? | 11:40 |
| smarter_ | one or two times maybe | 11:41 |
| smarter_ | I thought it was going to be replaced by quilt no? | 11:41 |
| smarter_ | why? | 11:41 |
| Hobbsee | smarter_: at leats, i assume it's dpatch. konversation uses it. you need to make sure you put the patch name in the debian/patches/series, else it never gets applied | 11:48 |
| smarter_ | oh, I'm too used to simple-patchsys, sorry | 11:49 |
| eagles0513875 | is the rc candidate out today | 11:50 |
| CheGuevara | should be | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh, nyah, it is quilt. | 11:51 |
| CheGuevara | according to d-a | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | smarter_: i only noticed when *my* patch didn't apply either, so don't worry :) | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | smarter_: i fixed them both | 11:51 |
| smarter_ | okay, thanks | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | np | 11:51 |
| CheGuevara | Nightrose, u around | 11:52 |
| smarter_ | gotta go now, bye everybody | 11:52 |
| yao_ziyuan | my intel ac97 sound card no longer recognized by hardy. does it require a proprietary driver? | 11:53 |
| eagles0513875 | Hobbsee: is the rc due out today | 11:53 |
| * Hobbsee suggests eagles0513875 reads ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com for his answer. | 11:54 | |
| eagles0513875 | Hobbsee: im not sure if gmail is messed up cuz i havent got any dev emails from the list at all today | 11:54 |
| eagles0513875 | usually i get them the day after they have been sent | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | eagles0513875: there are archives on lists.ubuntu.com | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have one case where kdesu works and not kdesudo.... | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdesu.distrib "dolphin 'bla bla'" | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | cause then arg0 is the all string, and I split against " " | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | how to split it correctly so that it'll consider 'bla bla' as one arg ? | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | that I don't know how to do..... | 11:57 |
| Riddell | hopefully nothing does that | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is the only case where there is still an issue | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, that's a very specific case | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but the problem also appears with : | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | kdesu -c "dolphin 'bla bla'" | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same problem since same quote for parsing, and that can happen in some case | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if I can fix this, then we would 100% compatible... | 11:58 |
| smarter_ | usecase: kdesudo "foo --bar 'bla bla'" | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: note that the current kdesudo behavior is the same than gksu :) just that kdesu reacts differently | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | I think I have to look at kdesu code to understand how it deals on that point | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | it is just a matter of splitting correctly.... | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | there is no emergency, but I'd like to get that fixed before the release | 12:00 |
| Tonio_ | KRun::shellQuote(arg); | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | hum, interesting | 12:01 |
| === pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles | ||
| yao_ziyuan | /join #ubuntu+1 | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | yao_ziyuan: I won't | 12:10 |
| yao_ziyuan | lol | 12:10 |
| Riddell | goodness, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback has a comment already | 12:15 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: the RC is already out? | 12:18 |
| Riddell | no | 12:18 |
| Riddell | which is why it's curious | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kshell::splitargs | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is what I need for that specific case...... writing the patch | 12:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll wait for tomorrow before uploading, and will perform all required compatibility tests | 12:40 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, there's a high chance of me having one examination directly during the UDS | 12:52 |
| mhb | Riddell: what should I do? | 12:52 |
| mhb | I mean - will it be possible for me not to be there for one morning phase? | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yes | 12:56 |
| mhb | good | 12:56 |
| Riddell | we're not so cruel as to make you sacrifise your entire education for us :) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: splitting works ;) great ! I'll test everything toonight, but will wait for tomorrow to upload | 13:01 |
| yao_ziyuan | i found a bug | 13:14 |
| yao_ziyuan | i installed hardy beta live cd in vbox | 13:14 |
| yao_ziyuan | during installation i chose Simplified Chinese as system language | 13:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | after installation, | 13:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | i see a login screen with two chinese chars displayed as dots | 13:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | i will give you guys a screenshot | 13:16 |
| Riddell | yao_ziyuan: beta is old | 13:17 |
| Riddell | try RC later today | 13:17 |
| Riddell | it should be fixed | 13:18 |
| yao_ziyuan | i once asked in #ubuntu-cn that if this bug was fixed in beta and someone said yes | 13:19 |
| yao_ziyuan | but today i personally downloaded and tested it in vbox | 13:20 |
| yao_ziyuan | and it's not fixed | 13:20 |
| yao_ziyuan | uploading screenshot | 13:24 |
| Riddell | as I said, try the RC | 13:25 |
| seele | Riddell: on KubuntuUDSPragusSpecs, are the headers packages or random titles? | 13:28 |
| yao_ziyuan | just for your record if we're not talking about the same bug: | 13:28 |
| yao_ziyuan | http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/brokenchars.png?gda=QVO89kAAAACHWpUiYTwLawza5SKvOatotbW0Vdh74P0U5wVrKMzqMGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRZDt9GMOPF_AQTT_bdC6vU&gsc=SpRa6AsAAADI731D79bSDiwTKRD-gEh4 | 13:28 |
| Riddell | seele: just titles for the sessions, which in some cases will become titles for the specs | 13:28 |
| yao_ziyuan | everybody look at this... if system language set to simplified chinese, two chars will be broken in the login screen | 13:28 |
| seele | Riddell: ok | 13:28 |
| yao_ziyuan | as shown in the screenshot at the above link | 13:30 |
| Riddell | yao_ziyuan: 13:25 < Riddell> as I said, try the RC | 13:31 |
| yao_ziyuan | ok | 13:31 |
| yao_ziyuan | Riddell: would i get the RC by: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" | 13:31 |
| Riddell | yao_ziyuan: yes that would work | 13:32 |
| yao_ziyuan | is rc out tomorrow? | 13:35 |
| Riddell | within the next 6 hours | 13:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | and how many rc's will there be? | 13:37 |
| ScottK | Usually just one. | 13:38 |
| Riddell | 1 | 13:38 |
| yao_ziyuan | then why does the channel topic say "Test RC Candidates"? | 13:38 |
| Riddell | because we need people to test them | 13:38 |
| Riddell | upgrades too | 13:38 |
| mhb | KDE4 remix was installed fine | 13:38 |
| mhb | although the appearance of the installer was not stellar :o) what toolkit was that? | 13:39 |
| Riddell | mhb: qt4 | 13:39 |
| mhb | network manager seems to produce a lot of noise when shutting down | 13:39 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, does the python-qt4 still have trouble with oxygen theme? | 13:39 |
| Riddell | mhb: shouldn't do, was it using it? | 13:40 |
| mhb | no | 13:40 |
| mhb | it looked a bit like the old plastik to me | 13:41 |
| Riddell | mhb: kde will try and write the qt config file to tell it to use oxygen, but I'm yet to work out when it does that | 13:41 |
| Riddell | that's just the default qt 4 theme | 13:41 |
| mhb | right. otherwise the system seems fine | 13:41 |
| mhb | except for small glitches, like I can't understand why do I have to click Shutdown in the menu and then I get another shutdown dialog | 13:42 |
| mhb | I will test the apps now | 13:42 |
| Riddell | upstream issue that | 13:43 |
| Riddell | fixed in kde 4.1 | 13:43 |
| mhb | okay | 13:43 |
| Riddell | do report results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 13:43 |
| Nightrose | anyone knows what cheguevara wanted from me this morning? | 13:44 |
| Riddell | nope | 13:44 |
| mhb | Riddell: are we going to ship Dragon Player instead of Kaffeine? I mean it's okay for a remix, but definitely not so for interpid :o) | 13:56 |
| mhb | kaffeine is so much more than dragon player or just about any other player I know | 13:56 |
| mhb | you can just plug a DVB-T stick and if the drivers are in Ubuntu, it just works, no additional software needed | 13:56 |
| Riddell | mhb: on the whole I prefer kde 4 apps over kde 3 ones for the kde 4 desktop | 14:03 |
| Riddell | otherwise, whatever works best | 14:03 |
| === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger | ||
| mhb | well, I prefer apps that works over the apps that don't, whatever the toolkit is. | 14:03 |
| Nightrose | I think someone with some knowledge of phonon should have a look at this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/217763 | 14:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 217763 in kde4libs "kde4 no system notifications sound" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:04 |
| * apachelogger is awfully tired today :( | 14:20 | |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 14:20 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: that bug is invalid | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | either the user broke it | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | or | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | which is more likely | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | an old version of KDE 4 misdetected the devices | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | [AudioOutputDevice_pci:1002:437b:103c:2a3d:playback:alsa:0] | 14:34 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: well yea likely | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | that line shouldn't look like this | 14:34 |
| Nightrose | I had the same problem after upgrading form gutsy | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | never saw this on any machine | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: we can't really support the upgrade path from gutsy KDE 4 to hardy KDE 4 IMO | 14:35 |
| Nightrose | hmmm ok | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 3 -> KDE 4 and KDE 3 -> KDE 3 -> KDE 4 is enough IMO ;-) | 14:35 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | especially since the problem is probably caused by some change in a subsystem | 14:36 |
| Nightrose | well I think this will cause some trouble for users and maybe can be added to the releasenotes or something | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ask Riddell | 14:36 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: ^ ;-) | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | [AudioCaptureDevice_pci:1102:0002:1102:8061:capture:alsa:0] | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | oha | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | stdin: do you have a gutsy with KDE 4.0.3? | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: did you upgrade to hardy before .3? | 14:37 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: I think so | 14:37 |
| Nightrose | but not 100% sure | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | well, the line above is from my gutsy phononrc | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | and I think it is more likely that the format broke in KDE rather than some underlying system | 14:38 |
| stdin | apachelogger: not at the moment, but I could just run dist-upgrade on my gutsy machine and get it | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | stdin: please do so and check whether phonon is still working after that | 14:40 |
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| yao_ziyuan | a question: i upgraded from gutsy to hardy. the two's kickers are not the same | 14:44 |
| yao_ziyuan | for example, hardy has double stripes for taskbar panels | 14:44 |
| yao_ziyuan | but my upgraded hardy still has single stripes | 14:45 |
| yao_ziyuan | also, in a fresh hardy, if you click the K Menu button, there will be a sunken rectangle surrounding the K Menu button | 14:45 |
| yao_ziyuan | in my upgraded hardy, there isn't | 14:45 |
| yao_ziyuan | in the fresh hardy, | 14:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | if the system language is chinese, | 14:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | i can see a scim tray icon | 14:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | but it doesn't have any input methods | 14:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | you left-click it, there is no input methods menu | 14:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | you ctrl+space, there won't be any input method on | 14:49 |
| yao_ziyuan | in the text box of the Run dialog box, | 14:53 |
| Riddell | theme will be polyester against qtcurve | 14:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | good | 14:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | in what distro? | 14:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | RC? | 14:53 |
| mhb | yao_ziyuan: it does us more good if you submit the bug report into our Bug Reporting System at launchpad | 14:54 |
| * Artemis_Fowl testing Hardy | 14:59 | |
| yao_ziyuan | Riddell: theme for what? Hardy RC? | 15:01 |
| yao_ziyuan | mhb: well, ok | 15:01 |
| Riddell | KDE | 15:02 |
| yao_ziyuan | let me prepare the bug report here: | 15:16 |
| yao_ziyuan | In a freshly installed Hardy Beta with Simplified Chinese as the system language, | 15:17 |
| yao_ziyuan | there by default is a SCIM tray icon. | 15:17 |
| yao_ziyuan | However, pressing Ctrl+Space in a text field can't activate any input method. (If any input method is activated, you should be able to type "he" and see a list of candidate Chinese characters popping up.) | 15:18 |
| yao_ziyuan | And left-clicking the SCIM tray icon does not show up any input methods. (Normally, you should see a menu of several input methods, or a menu of several languages and each language is a submenu that contains its input methods.) | 15:19 |
| yao_ziyuan | Currently, the user has to manually right-click the SCIM tray icon and select "Configure SCIM" and manually review the settings therein and click "OK" and restart the computer in order to enable SCIM tray icon's left-click menu of input methods. | 15:22 |
| stdin | apachelogger: seems to be working | 15:22 |
| Riddell | I imagine it just needs language-support-zh installed | 15:22 |
| yao_ziyuan | And in a text field's right-click menu of "Select Input Method", the user has to manually select "scim" in order to start inputing Chinese. (The default input method is "scim-bridge", which fails to activate any input method.) | 15:24 |
| === Deviance is now known as TimS | ||
| etretyak | Could someone help me with building kde4libs? I don't know well CMake.. What I need is to build Solid from kde4libs to test my fixes. | 15:39 |
| etretyak | and I don't want to rebuild all package each time I made some changes to Solid. | 15:40 |
| fdoving | you can use the -nc switch you know. to debuild. | 15:41 |
| etretyak | fdoving: thanks! that's what i need :) | 15:42 |
| fdoving | you're welcome :) | 15:42 |
| Riddell | etretyak: you don't even need to care about the debian packaging when working on code | 15:42 |
| Riddell | mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ..; make | 15:42 |
| Riddell | then make will do the right thing | 15:42 |
| etretyak | cool | 15:43 |
| etretyak | thanks! | 15:43 |
| Riddell | once you have something working you can make a patch and care about the packaging | 15:43 |
| etretyak | Riddell: I'm testing "user disk mounting" feature for kde4 ;-) | 15:44 |
| Riddell | good luck | 15:44 |
| Hobbsee | !coc | 16:12 |
| ubotu | The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | 16:12 |
| * Hobbsee eyerolls at kubuntu-users, and tweaks a few of hte spam settings | 16:14 | |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | RC Out! | ||
| * hunger thinks freezes are booooring. No new and interesting ways to break my system. | 16:53 | |
| Riddell | :) | 16:54 |
| hunger | I'll update kde svn instead. | 16:55 |
| nosrednaekim | ^_^ | 16:56 |
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| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away | ||
| yao_ziyuan | i have finished the bug report | 17:32 |
| yao_ziyuan | i need someone to file it for me | 17:32 |
| CheGuevara | why cant u file it | 17:32 |
| Riddell | anyone able to test an ipod? | 17:33 |
| yao_ziyuan | i've put it here: | 17:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | http://www.bytecool.com/ioiforum/read.php?1,7931,7931#msg-7931 | 17:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | i can't file it myself because | 17:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | 1. i have forgotten my account/password | 17:37 |
| yao_ziyuan | 2. creating an account is inconvenient for me | 17:38 |
| yao_ziyuan | :) | 17:38 |
| yao_ziyuan | please! | 17:38 |
| nosrednaekim | yao_ziyuan: please, do ti yourself so you can be updated about happenings and comments | 17:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | all right | 17:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | i seem to remember my account/password now :) | 17:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | just give me a start page | 17:39 |
| yao_ziyuan | where is the bug tracker system's login page? | 17:40 |
| yao_ziyuan | !bug | 17:40 |
| ubotu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 17:40 |
| yao_ziyuan | maybe it's not a good time to file a bug against Beta | 17:42 |
| yao_ziyuan | since RC is out in hours | 17:42 |
| yao_ziyuan | right? | 17:42 |
| yao_ziyuan | tell me ETA of RC | 17:43 |
| nosrednaekim | it was just released | 17:43 |
| yao_ziyuan | ah... | 17:43 |
| yao_ziyuan | just now i run dist-upgrade | 17:43 |
| yao_ziyuan | and i did received an upgrade | 17:43 |
| yao_ziyuan | but it's only a single package: linux-image-386 | 17:44 |
| nosrednaekim | ok.. then go ahead and file the bug | 17:45 |
| Arby | Riddell: yes | 17:47 |
| Arby | for the ipod | 17:47 |
| Arby | what do you need | 17:48 |
| Riddell | Arby: does amarok work? | 17:48 |
| Arby | give me a minute to check | 17:48 |
| yao_ziyuan | lol | 17:51 |
| yao_ziyuan | Your system is up-to-date | 17:51 |
| yao_ziyuan | it seems this RC only has one new package: linux-image-386 | 17:51 |
| Arby | Riddell: no, it doesn't. This is on kde4, fully up to date hardy | 17:52 |
| Arby | device manager shows a pop up to say it has been plugged in | 17:52 |
| Arby | I can open it in dolphin | 17:52 |
| Arby | but it's invisible to amarok | 17:52 |
| Arby | Riddell: want me to try on kde3? | 17:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | i'm downloading http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/releases/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso | 17:55 |
| Riddell | Arby: even in settings -> media devices ? | 17:55 |
| yao_ziyuan | if i found the input method problem still persists in it in vbox, | 17:55 |
| Arby | looking | 17:55 |
| yao_ziyuan | i would file | 17:55 |
| === ubuntu is now known as flipstar | ||
| Arby | ok that works | 17:56 |
| Arby | settings -> configure amarok -> media devices -> autodtect devices | 17:56 |
| Arby | and now it appears | 17:56 |
| Riddell | Arby: appears in the Devices tab? | 17:57 |
| Arby | Riddell: yes appears and plays | 17:57 |
| Riddell | Arby: what if you Disconnect? | 17:57 |
| Arby | or it would if I could get sound to work on this laptop:( | 17:58 |
| Arby | Riddell: it works, although it shows a warning | 17:58 |
| Arby | but it disconnects anywya | 17:59 |
| Arby | Riddell: connect does not reconnect it | 17:59 |
| Arby | Riddell: in fact I am now completely unable to connect it | 18:02 |
| Arby | even via settings menu | 18:03 |
| Arby | also tried unpluggin and replugging | 18:03 |
| Arby | Riddell: it only gets mounted if I go device-notifier -> open in Dolphin | 18:04 |
| Arby | It then shows up in Dolphin and in ls /media | 18:04 |
| Riddell | mm, I see the same | 18:04 |
| Arby | seems like ipod mounting is a bit borked | 18:05 |
| Arby | hmm, once it mounted in Dolphin it just automounted in Amarok | 18:06 |
| Arby | Riddell: anything else to try? | 18:08 |
| Riddell | Arby: no, that's all thanks | 18:08 |
| Arby | ok, feel free to ping for further testing later | 18:09 |
| flipstar | hi, jockey-kde doesn't detect my card..is this the correct behavior for an live cd ? (using 20080417.1/ and a nvidia 6800gt) | 18:10 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell, seele: Have a look at this: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1231169_ynizs/out_011006.ogg | 18:11 |
| Riddell | Arby: how about if you plug it in, change in settings->media devices configure device the post disconnect command from "kdeeject.." to "umount %u" | 18:11 |
| Riddell | Arby: does that stop the disconnect error message? | 18:11 |
| Arby | trying | 18:11 |
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| Arby | Riddell: no, it doesn't | 18:13 |
| Riddell | Arby: what's the error message you get? | 18:13 |
| Arby | Riddell: Post-disconnect command failed, before removing device, please make sure that it is safe to do so | 18:14 |
| Riddell | hmm | 18:14 |
| Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: looks good | 18:15 |
| Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: blog blog! | 18:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: I have no blog :) | 18:16 |
| flipstar | kdesktop crashed right after login..after restarting the / filesystem is on the desktop.. | 18:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: next thing up: bug #196756 | 18:17 |
| flipstar | i started it as root..maybe this was wrong | 18:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 196756 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor doesn't recognize AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST entries" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196756 | 18:17 |
| Riddell | flipstar: does jockey-gtk? | 18:18 |
| * flipstar installing.. | 18:18 | |
| flipstar | no, jockey-gtk also doesn't work | 18:19 |
| flipstar | same messages as here http://pastebin.com/m467a5ff9 | 18:20 |
| Riddell | flipstar: best report it then, pitti is pretty responsive https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+filebug | 18:20 |
| aos101 | Shouldn't the download links for the KDE4 RC point to /RC instead of /beta ? | 18:21 |
| aos101 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu | 18:21 |
| Riddell | fixing | 18:22 |
| aos101 | OK. Thought I should check in here incase it was intentional (waiting for a new build to sync or something). | 18:23 |
| flipstar | hm kate won't start here..maybe its related with kdesktop .. ? | 18:30 |
| flipstar | after reinstall kate it says Bus error (core dumped) | 18:31 |
| ScottK | If this kde3 or kde4? | 18:37 |
| ScottK | If/s | 18:38 |
| ScottK | is even | 18:38 |
| === Nightrose is now known as kde_Nightrose | ||
| * flipstar restarting X | 18:46 | |
| === ubuntu is now known as flipstar | ||
| === pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles | ||
| yuriy | awen_: have you seen bug 218889? | 18:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 218889 in kde-guidance "[hardy] brightness on KDE jumps from 100% -> 42% -> 0%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218889 | 18:50 |
| awen_ | yuriy: just saw it a bit ago .... was about to try to remember the hal reply i need him to check | 18:52 |
| ubuntu | nvm kate works like expected now | 18:54 |
| === ubuntu is now known as flipstar | ||
| flipstar | btw the installer still doesn't detect my raid..it would just have to install dmraid.. | 19:04 |
| blueyed | Riddell: apport is deactivated for release (in /etc/defaults/apport), so it should be enabled in adept. In case you enable it in the defaults file, adept should also work by itself. If this is OK, I'll prepare a debdiff. | 19:05 |
| awen_ | has anyone tried the transcoding feature in amarok when transferring files to a media device? ... or is it at all supposed to work out-of-the box | 19:12 |
| ScottK | smarter: Good day. How's your guidance testing coming? | 19:16 |
| ScottK | awen_: Have you looked at smarter's dbus restart patch? | 19:17 |
| smarter | ScottK: hi ScottK | 19:19 |
| ScottK | Heya smarter. | 19:19 |
| smarter | it works fine, but it only works for hal restart, dbus restart are not supported in Ubuntu nor upstream | 19:19 |
| smarter | and lead to various problems | 19:19 |
| ScottK | Right. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | Sorry, remembered wrong. | 19:19 |
| smarter | if you still want to have a semi-working guidance, you have to manually restart it | 19:20 |
| awen_ | ScottK: a new patch, or the same patch as is in gpm now? | 19:20 |
| ScottK | awen_: I new one | 19:20 |
| ScottK | I/A | 19:20 |
| awen_ | where is it? | 19:20 |
| ScottK | awen_: It's in smarter's PPA. | 19:20 |
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| Riddell | blueyed: please do | 19:21 |
| awen_ | smarter: what have you chnaged compared to the one in g-p-m now? | 19:21 |
| ScottK | If you'd just double check it, I'll work on getting RM approval to upload it. | 19:21 |
| smarter | awen_: see the debdiff: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu16.debdiff | 19:22 |
| smarter | ScottK: sure, I'll test on my eee | 19:22 |
| awen_ | ScottK: i suppose that was exactly what we talked about .... that the dbus restart didn't realle work so should we do it at all | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | blueyed: btw, the vbox issue I had was actually a broken iso :) | 19:24 |
| blueyed | apachelogger: phew.. :) | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | stdin: can you please paste ~/.kde4/share/config/phonondevicesrc | 19:25 |
| awen_ | ScottK: but no problem if you changed your mind about it ... was the same that i "voted" for last time | 19:26 |
| awen_ | ScottK and smarter: looks good to me ... i'll just test it! | 19:29 |
| * awen_ wonders if he is connected | 19:33 | |
| awen_ | smarter and ScottK: looks good :) ... +1 from me | 19:35 |
| awen_ | smarter: and thanks for convincing ScottK ;) | 19:38 |
| blueyed | yuriy (and others): is the patch for bug 204439 correct? | 19:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439 | 19:45 |
| stdin | apachelogger: http://stdin.pastebin.com/d3b94e256 | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | stdin: did you start off with 4.0.0 on that machine? | 20:20 |
| stdin | I thinks so | 20:21 |
| stdin | at the latest it's from 4.0.1 | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | well, then this strange device names might have been caused by .0 | 20:22 |
| mhb | evening my dears | 20:48 |
| smarter | ScottK: kde-guidance patch tested on my asus eee, works fine | 20:49 |
| yuriy | blueyed: I have not tested it, beyond just running adept and not having it crash | 20:49 |
| yuriy | blueyed: I was trying to figure out how to run it localized in french to confirm the bug and test the fix but couldn't figure out how to run apps with a different locale | 20:50 |
| yuriy | and nobody else responded when i asked to test in here | 20:51 |
| emu | Riddell: Could I use this pic (http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-8.04-rc.png) for the german announcement too? | 20:54 |
| blueyed | yuriy: It did not work for "de" here. But I think I know the reason, testbuilding now. Try "LANG=fr adept_manager" or "KDE_LANG=fr adept_manager" | 20:58 |
| awen_ | yuriy: is a 8.04 kde3 in french adequate ... and what should i test? | 20:59 |
| yuriy | blueyed: i've tried those and they didn't seem to work | 21:01 |
| yuriy | awen_: bug 204439 | 21:01 |
| blueyed | yuriy: did you have language-pack-kde-fr-base installed? | 21:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439 | 21:01 |
| yuriy | blueyed: oh i guess not. i couldn't figure out what i needed to install. | 21:02 |
| yuriy | and i thought language-support- should depend on whatever is needed for kde as well | 21:02 |
| yuriy | blueyed: and your comment about the make translatable is probably correct | 21:03 |
| yuriy | i don't really understand i18n, but not having an i18n call at all was obvious | 21:04 |
| blueyed | yuriy: yep.. it does not work with your patch alone, because you need to add an additional "gettext domain", where those strings are in (seems to be libapt-front) | 21:04 |
| === kde_Nightrose is now known as Nightrose | ||
| ScottK | smarter: What was the bug for your kde-guidance patch again? | 21:04 |
| yuriy | blueyed: ok. i have no idea what that means :P so i guess that would need some more work | 21:05 |
| blueyed | yuriy: like I've said: just testbuilding.. I'll let you know.. :) | 21:05 |
| awen_ | yuriy: hmm... tell me again if it is important; my VM has lost network connection due to me playing around with it since last restart | 21:05 |
| yuriy | awen_: we're discussing bug 204439 | 21:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439 | 21:06 |
| blueyed | yuriy: I find the extra "ascii" suspicious/strange (in your patch) | 21:06 |
| awen_ | yuriy: i know ... but if you need it tested at some point, say so; i still have a french version of kubuntu in a VM (from a previous test) | 21:07 |
| yuriy | blueyed: yeah that's iffy. tbh the whole thing (all 1 line of it) is a hack, and there's something i'm probably not getting about STL there | 21:07 |
| blueyed | yuriy: wouldn't "i18n(r->prettyName())" work already? | 21:08 |
| yuriy | because r->prettyName() is an std::basicString or something like that, and i18n wants an QString and QString wants an std::string or char string | 21:08 |
| yuriy | blueyed: no, that doesn't compile | 21:09 |
| yuriy | er sorry that's flipped | 21:09 |
| blueyed | ah, I see. Should be ok like it is, only seems to be "too verbose" | 21:10 |
| yuriy | i18n() wants a C string | 21:10 |
| yuriy | which brings us back to the "make translatable" comment | 21:10 |
| yuriy | because i guess in general you're supposed to give it string literals? | 21:10 |
| fdoving | yuriy: where does r->prettyName() get it's text from? - can't the i18n call be done there? | 21:10 |
| blueyed | yuriy: yes. But it's translated in libapt-front, which should provide this. | 21:11 |
| yuriy | fdoving: possibly... in apt-front and/or ept then? | 21:11 |
| yuriy | blueyed: oh, is it? did you check? | 21:11 |
| blueyed | yuriy: yes, that's why I've added the "libapt-front" textdomain and will test if it works, when the build is finished.. :) | 21:12 |
| fdoving | i have no clue. but as far as i know i18n wants to eat text. | 21:12 |
| blueyed | yuriy: I've grepped in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES | 21:12 |
| * yuriy thinks his patch to wineconfig was probably wrong then | 21:12 | |
| fdoving | the idea is to make strings translatable without compiling or running the program. | 21:13 |
| yuriy | in general, is foo = "bar"; i18n(foo) correct? or is there some other trick you need to do? | 21:13 |
| fdoving | so fetching the text to translate with functions like that is awkard as one needs to be a hacker to understand where the text comes from. | 21:14 |
| blueyed | yuriy: that would work, as long as "bar" is marked for gettext extraction somewhere else.. when extracting, it uses e.g. everything in i18n(), but there are other ways. | 21:14 |
| ScottK | yuriy: Please let me know pretty quickly if we need to fix it. | 21:14 |
| fdoving | yuriy: i think foo = i18n( "bar" ); is the way to do it. | 21:15 |
| blueyed | fdoving: yes, that's the preferred method, of course. | 21:15 |
| fdoving | yuriy: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n | 21:15 |
| yuriy | ScottK: i think we need to mark those other strings for extraction then, but I don't know how to do it | 21:16 |
| yuriy | ok i g2g | 21:16 |
| yuriy | fdoving: I will read up on that | 21:16 |
| ScottK | yuriy: I was about to ask release manager for permission to upload smarter's hal restart patch. I'll hold off for a bit so you can research it. | 21:17 |
| yuriy | dang, i guess i gotta hurry up ; ) | 21:20 |
| fdoving | yuriy: i'm pretty confident this i18n hack is plain and simple wrong. if that can help you somehow. | 21:20 |
| blueyed | ScottK: hal restart? reminds me of bug 63450 | 21:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 63450 in acpid "acpid install fails (because of hal running)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63450 | 21:22 |
| ScottK | No, it's guidance power-manager this time. | 21:22 |
| blueyed | but the same issue? | 21:22 |
| blueyed | you want to take care about if hal is running then, too, probably. | 21:23 |
| ScottK | No. This is gpm surviving if hal restarts. | 21:23 |
| fdoving | yuriy: the untranslatable items are from libapt-front. | 21:35 |
| fdoving | and i guess the text is compiled into the program so even if libapt-front gettext() the text, it doesn't work. | 21:38 |
| fdoving | .. maybe. | 21:38 |
| fdoving | yuriy: yep, the file, apt-front/cache/entity/package.h is included in most of adept, and my guess is that the text isn't translated because it's compiled in english. even if libapt-front is translated and the .mo file is there and all. | 21:45 |
| fdoving | one can probably use gettext the old fashioned way, on adept, to extract those. | 21:47 |
| fdoving | when compiling adept. | 21:48 |
| jam__ | hi all | 21:55 |
| blueyed | yuriy, fdoving: adding """KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue(QString::fromUtf8("libapt-front"))""" to adept/manager/main.cpp fixes it.. | 22:51 |
| fdoving | blueyed: nice trick. | 22:58 |
| fdoving | anyway. bed. nite. | 22:58 |
| blueyed | fdoving: night. (it gets already done like this in debian/patches/kubuntu_03_translation_catalogues.diff) | 22:59 |
| blueyed | ..but not for libapt-front. | 22:59 |
| blueyed | yuriy: why do you say that the patch is incorrect? It's only incomplete AFAICS. I've added a debdiff to the bug. | 23:08 |
| yuriy | blueyed: fdoving said it's plain wrong | 23:14 |
| yuriy | 16:21 < fdoving> yuriy: i'm pretty confident this i18n hack is plain and simple wrong. if that can help you somehow. | 23:14 |
| yuriy | blueyed: could you do the fix then? | 23:15 |
| blueyed | yuriy: just read his last messages above. It's good (and I have some gettext experience) | 23:15 |
| blueyed | yuriy: yes, my fix (adding libapt-front to the catalogs), works. I've just been a bit away and needed to build it twice. The debdiff I've attached should work. It also needs your patch, of course, to send the strings to i18n(). | 23:16 |
| yuriy | blueyed: ah, ok. so we need a debdiff that combines both then? | 23:16 |
| yuriy | or did you include mine in yours? | 23:16 |
| blueyed | yes, it's attached to bug 204439 | 23:17 |
| blueyed | Riddell: can you sponsor it, please? It also includes the apport-default-change | 23:17 |
| yuriy | awen_: if you have a chance to test^ | 23:18 |
| blueyed | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13567198/adept_2.1.3ubuntu25.dsc.diff | 23:18 |
| blueyed | awen_: do you want a pre-compiled .deb (i386)? | 23:18 |
| awen_ | blueyed: was just about to ask for it :) | 23:18 |
| blueyed | awen_: htpp://codeprobe.de/tmp/adept-manager_2.1.3ubuntu25_i386.deb | 23:20 |
| blueyed | well.. http://codeprobe.de/tmp/adept-manager_2.1.3ubuntu25_i386.deb | 23:20 |
| awen_ | blueyed: just give me ten mins ... just need to update my VM also | 23:21 |
| * yuriy -> run, then read techbase page on i18n, then inspect wineconfig | 23:24 | |
| awen_ | yuriy: :) ... and i'll be happy to test that one too | 23:26 |
| Riddell | blueyed: sponsor which? | 23:44 |
| blueyed | Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13567198/adept_2.1.3ubuntu25.dsc.diff - but you may want to get confirmation from awen_ | 23:45 |
| blueyed | (204439) | 23:45 |
| awen_ | i'll get back soon ... (is upgrading my desktop to hardy, so downloads wasn't as fast as expected) | 23:47 |
| Riddell | yuriy: "i18n(QString(r->prettyName()).ascii())" why the multiple type conversions? | 23:48 |
| awen_ | yeah .... that upgrade went incredibly smooth; as allways it just works | 23:51 |
| Riddell | great | 23:51 |
| * awen_ now with all his computers running hardy | 23:52 | |
| nosrednaekim | yeah.. gutsy->hardy was the first time I upgraded.... no problems what so ever | 23:54 |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | ||
| awen_ | nosrednaekim: the install i just upgraded started as dapper, and has been upgraded all the way through when beta/RC was out ... only minor glitches one of the times | 23:55 |
| blueyed | Riddell: I've asked yuriy the same, but didn't know the right way (from my head), so if there's a cleaner way, please just change it. | 23:55 |
| * awen_ finally got his VM updated ... going to test the patch now | 23:57 | |
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