[00:11] Tonio_: it's on his wiki though, linked to from LP [00:11] (email that is) [00:14] stdin: ah right ! [00:16] Riddell: email is gone...... now I have to sleep a bit :) [00:17] one critical issue fixed, a think I can go sleep more that 3 hours for once :) === kewark is now known as krawek [01:17] * stdin needs a pair of eyes and chooses Jucato [01:17] have a peek at http://stdin.me.uk/code/kmountfile/ for me, it's about a day and a half's work [01:17] actually anyone can peek at it :) [01:51] I'm testing the RC Candidate, currently doing install of i386 KDE4 [01:51] when resizing an ext3 partition in manual partitioning, the progress bar for checking ext3 stays at 0% [01:52] and the next progress bar, resizing partition, stays at 50% [01:52] as in, jumps to 50%, doesn't work it's way up to it, and stays there while resizing [02:17] well, I sent out my installer bugs to the mailing list [02:36] isn't amarok supposed to be installed by default? [03:47] i see who is away ,but who all IS here [03:48] in other words HELLO [03:49] hi [03:49] im here [05:01] yo yo [05:01] wolfger_: sitting in Madison Heights by the Micro Center [05:01] at the Motel 6 [05:22] @nixternal: wtf? Go to bed, man. :-) [05:23] * wolfger_ is hitting the sack. Penguicon begins in ernest tomorrow [05:23] hahah [05:23] to buzzed :) [05:23] just left Jorge's house a bit ago [05:23] :D [05:24] woohoo [05:24] boozed :) [05:24] yo know it [05:24] you [05:25] it shows :) [05:27] why thanks :) [05:31] you're very much welcome :) [05:31] now get some more booze :P [05:31] I am out :) [05:31] gotta wake up in a few hours to get to penguicon it seems [05:31] if you can :) [05:31] watch out for the hangover :) [05:32] no hangover here :) [05:33] although, I did drink a really nasty beer I took out of the fridge at Jorge's :p [05:33] eagles0513875: this is not a gnome channel, this is not a support channel. Haven't you figured that out yet? [05:34] apachelogger: thoughts? [05:35] This is the same guy that was hitting on you in #kubuntu-testers last year, right? [05:35] * ScottK doesn't have a lot of patience for that one. [05:36] ScottK: yeah. [05:36] ScottK: and the propriatory, windows-only debugger in #ubuntu-devel [05:36] Yeah. That one. [05:36] apachelogger: unless you give me some mindblowingly good reason *not* to ban eagles, as per the conversation last night.... [05:37] uh oh [05:37] * nixternal hides [05:38] Hobbsee: you never told me about the 'hitting on' part...that is call for removal if you ask me [05:38] yeah, no one hits on Hobbsee except nixternal!! [05:38] no one!! [05:39] hey now...don't go getting me in trouble with that long pointy stick! [05:43] nixternal: yeah, ti was one of the things to remove him last time for. [05:43] nixternal: i have him on ignore this time, so he may have tried to, but failed. [05:44] sorry, I don't go for that...I am sure you know my position on that anyways..that is going way to far [05:45] i'll give apachelogger a chance to respond, as he has been working with eagles0513875 often...but if he doesn't come up with anything mind shattering... [05:46] * Jucato wonders why the latest Dot article is soooooo wide... like nixternal's smiles [05:48] hold on now :) [05:56] Hobbsee: in this case i feeel you are a little triggerhappy. i don't know the history of this eagle guy, but the other day you banned him from -motu when he said something you didn't like in here. That is not something I like very much, even if he does have a hairy ban-history. To me as an spectator it looks crazy. He actually tries to help fix a bug, and gets banned from the channel we in here, suggested he go to for packaging related questions [05:57] fdoving: actually, that was a long standing ban which actually got removed by accident. [05:58] fdoving: the fact that i saw him in here made me think to check there, notice that it had gone, adn reinstate it before he got there. [05:59] fdoving: i'm glad that you'll help him out further with all his bugwork. [05:59] fdoving: thank you for offering. [06:00] (some people removed a whole lot of my, and everyone else's bans, to generally clear out the banlists, but there were some that should have stayed, which got missed) [06:00] (my bad for not documenting them. I now have) [06:01] i just try to answer questions regardless of who asks. [06:01] and i start diskliking ubuntu ops, most are very arrogant. [06:01] fdoving: i hope it doesn't require 6 hours of your time to help him write 2 simple, 5 minute each patches. I thank you for offering up your time so willingly, though. [06:02] Hobbsee: i don't but he's free to ask. even if no one will reply. [06:02] fdoving: only if he doesn't stop development. [06:02] hah. everyone who feels he is a burden with all his questions can /ignore him. or anyone else. [06:03] as long as he stops flooding the channel with bot queries and asking for bug confirmations (which he can probably accomplish better in user channels) [06:03] Jucato: or asking user questions in development channels? [06:03] banning and removing is ok to prove a point, but long standing bans for months doesn't serve any purpose for people trying to learn and help. [06:04] fdoving: the idea of bans is that hte person thinks about their behaviour, and changes. [06:04] and that they cool off [06:04] have you seen that this has happened? [06:04] there should be such a thing for ops too. [06:04] a /cooldown [06:04] anyway, i need to go to work. [06:04] bye. [06:05] fdoving: if there wasn't such a one already.... [06:05] fdoving: then he would have been gone days ago. [06:05] still, why not get all the ops to quit, then you can do their job? Bet you'd do a good job, even with people ripping into you when they didn't agree, when they haven't even seen the past history. [06:09] * Hobbsee ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power. [06:10] that would be interesting to see. [06:10] oh krap nixternal's busy right? hm... ok.. next week then [06:10] Jucato: He's not busy. He's drunk. [06:11] * Hobbsee wishes she was drunk. [06:11] he's busy being drunk, trying to sleep, trying not to have a hangover when he wakes up, and trying to wake up for penguicon... [06:11] all at the same time [06:12] As long as he drinks enough water he'll avoid the hangover and his body will 'urge' him to wake up. It should all work out. [06:19] just had another 3 beers for you :) [06:20] lol [06:21] yay, 5 hours now until the show starts...bad thing, Jono is talking during the [06:21] tesla coils [06:22] * nixternal zzZzzZzzzzz [06:22] g'nite! [06:23] g'night! [06:23] I'll bug you next week [06:23] you and jjesse... or after Hardy's release [06:47] Hobbsee: morning? [06:48] (afternoon actually) [06:48] 748 am for me [06:48] eagles0513875: hi [06:48] what u mean by ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power [06:49] eagles0513875: just wondering what fdoving would do, if that happened. [06:50] lol [06:56] !u > eagles0513875 [06:56] * eagles0513875 bangs head ondesk [07:10] blink [07:10] * Hobbsee eyes konversation source [07:13] Hobbsee: sigh [07:13] dude, who last merged konversation? [07:14] smarter, mabye [07:14] Hobbsee: not i i honestly dont know what ur talking bout [07:17] Kubuntu's lack of QA concerns me sometimes... [07:18] !u > eagles0513875 [07:18] * eagles0513875 goes to find a gun [07:20] dammit. this is dpatch. [07:21] * jussi01 breaks konversation and hands Hobbsee quassel :) [07:21] dammit x2. smarter, this is dpatch. [07:24] * Hobbsee rejects the broken package === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:26] * eagles0513875 is nice knowing i havent borked anythign today [07:27] it helps to actually apply patches. [07:27] * Hobbsee is too used to simple patchsys [07:30] argh, crap. that's gone into gutsy too [07:31] Riddell: fixed your bad merge of konversation. Perhaps you'll want to do a SRU? [07:31] Riddell: you didn't change the patch which makes it go to #debian by default - affects users without kubuntu-default-settings installed. [07:51] maybe debian could not patch it but use kiosk instead? -.- [07:52] true [07:52] apachelogger: they probably want it to happen for non=kde installs though [07:53] Hobbsee: just make very package with such configurations depend on kde-debian-configurations or something [07:53] apachelogger: which every single kde package depends on. right. [07:54] nope [07:54] well, every single dke package with a changed config does. yes. [07:54] yes [07:54] which is a good chunk of them, i think [07:54] ? [07:54] *shrug* [07:55] Hobbsee: still I think patching defaults is a bad thing to do [07:55] apachelogger: true. [07:55] apachelogger: sending to #kde may be preferable, in this case. [07:55] but i don't really see how [07:55] (as that's where the original default is, iirc) [07:56] maybe not make the packages depend on a configuration package at all [07:56] good morning folks [07:56] hi Hobbsee, apachelogger [07:56] heya mhb [07:56] this conflicts with my idea of the original software [07:56] if someone wants a plain KDE he should get a plain KDE IMO [07:56] hey mhb === mornfall_ is now known as mornfall [08:03] <\sh> apachelogger, if someone wants a plain KDE he gets a plain KDE by compiling KDE directly ;) === hads_ is now known as hads [09:32] Riddell: No more surprise cd's to come through are there? [09:34] davmor2: may I ask how do you usually test the ISO's? virtualization? always on another machine? [09:35] Jucato: I test on hardware I currently have three test machines [09:35] oh wow. [09:38] Jucato: why? [09:39] just wondering. I've never been of much use to ISO testing :) [09:39] slow download speeds, only 1 desktop and a family laptop :) [09:39] right now im not much either im on one machine right now my other 4 r in the us [09:40] you can test in vm [09:40] virtual box i must say has some oddities to it it especially when testing linux [09:40] davmor2: with 1.5GHz and 1GB RAM, you can imagine how slow that gets :) [09:40] when i do ctrl f1 for instance it changes my main machine to one of the tty desktops not even on the local machine [09:41] Jucato: im not much better im on an athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz with 1.25gb ram so in a way i feel ya [09:41] heh you call that "not much better"? :D [09:41] eagles0513875: more annoying as heno found out is atl-ctrl-backspace :) [09:42] wait that restarts [09:42] x [09:43] Tonio_: ping [09:43] well actually it kills X... but I think kdm makes it restart again [09:45] my slow machine is an old amd64 single core 3400+ 1g of ram. Next would be the intel dual-core and then my Laptop amd 64 x2 2g ram and then my main machine amd64 x2 2g :) [09:46] rawr! [09:46] * Jucato thinks he can finally upgrade in 2 years [09:47] davmor2: is it a turion x2 [09:47] cuz i have been having a nightmare gettign it to work on my new laptop [09:47] ye laptop is works fine [09:47] wtf then why cant i get it to work on mine [09:48] i can install it with the alternat cd then when booting it hangs on loading hardware devices [09:48] eagles0513875: only issue I have is the broadcom wifi cause I love freedom ;) [09:48] davmor2: cant help u there i cant even get to a desktop like i said im able to install it but it hangs on loading hardware devices this is hardy btw [09:49] eagles0513875: are you running 32bit or 64bit on it [09:49] gutsy for me has a pnp bios bug [09:49] davmor2: tried both 32 and 64bit [09:49] on this old laptop imrunning 64bit hardy beta no problem [09:49] my machine is an hp tx1308nr tablet [09:50] eagles0513875: Have you tried running it with the noapic line on boot? [09:51] davmor2: i dont remember ive given up for now [09:51] eagles0513875: what laptop is it? [09:51] hp tx1308nr tablet [09:52] eagles0513875: oh well if you will buy these tablet ;) [09:52] lol [09:52] rub it in y dont ya [09:53] tab...let... [09:53] * Jucato drools [09:54] not worth it Jucato [09:55] especiallly when u cant get ur favorite linux distro on it [09:55] any linux distro would do if that's the case :) [09:55] n8k99 is working on that front btw [09:56] !u | eagles0513875 [09:56] eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on.. [09:56] * eagles0513875 gets pen thats in my hand and plans on sending it through my forehead [09:56] eagles0513875: too much AOL or too much txting? :) [09:56] both [10:26] etretyak: pohng ? [10:26] s/h// :-) [10:27] maybe you meant phong? :) [10:29] davmor2: no surprises, we just need to fill in all the gaps we can, should get releasesd late afternoonish [10:36] did someone call I had a hard freeze [10:37] Tonio_: i got you mail :) [10:38] I think I can fix this bug today [10:40] Riddell: there seems to be no icon for oem "Prepare for shipping to customer" [10:41] etretyak: that would be super :) [10:41] davmor2: no there's not, I think we have more important bugs though :) [10:42] just letting you know :) === smarter_ is now known as smarter|eee [11:19] Tonio_: how does kubuntu_02_spaced_args.patch work? [11:20] Riddell: pretty well [11:20] Riddell: no need to quote args now due to kshellprocess -> kprocess transition [11:20] Riddell: you can try to kdesudo dolphin "folder with space in name" [11:21] Riddell: that didn't work since the kprocess rewrite, now it does :) [11:21] Tonio_: didn't we make kdesudo need everything on quotes deliberately to make it compatible with kdesu? [11:21] Riddell: that's what kprocess does, it quotes automagically [11:22] Riddell: if I quote manually and pass the arg to kprocess, then we end up with double quotes and it doesn't work if there is spaces in name [11:22] does kdesudo "ls *" work now? [11:23] Riddell: hum lemme try, I use zsh so that's a bit different :) [11:23] Riddell: all folder names are passed as argument :) [11:23] Riddell: quite dirty, but works [11:25] Riddell: [11:25] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ mkdir "bla bla" [11:25] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls * [11:25] passprompt [11:25] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ touch bla\ bla/test [11:25] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls * [11:25] test [11:25] seems to work with spaced names folders :) [11:25] hi folks! [11:25] Riddell: are you okay with this ? [11:27] Tonio_: so long as it doesn't break anything, we did make it need quoted arguments to be compatible with kdesu for a reason (although I can't remember what) [11:27] Riddell: it was for spaced named folders [11:27] Riddell: but we added the quote manually due to kshellprocess usage [11:28] Riddell: and because we were creating a hudge string send to the process [11:28] then we had to quote [11:29] Riddell: now we are doing a p* << arg(i) [11:29] Riddell: this quotes automatically, so we end up with double quotes and that broke with spaced named folders [11:29] Riddell: then I wrote that patch, tested everything for one hour, and the behavior is really kdesu compatible [11:30] Riddell: it is even better in some cases [11:31] ok [11:31] if you say it works, then it works :) [11:32] Riddell: for example if a buggy script double quotes : kdesudo dolphin "'bla bla'" [11:32] that'll work, but won't with kdesu.distrib [11:32] Riddell: well it just works as it used to before the kprocess transition [11:32] the fact that it autoquotes isn't very well documented :) that's why I didn't fix before.... [11:33] and because I never put spaces in files names..... I couldn't see it :) [11:34] kwwii: new quite abstract logos http://www.koffice.org/artwork/ [11:34] Riddell: but since kdesu has very strange reactions with args sometimes, I understand you really need to be sure.... [11:34] Riddell: wow, those are really different [11:34] Riddell: even if I know it well, it is sometimes hard to understand what it does :) [11:40] smarter_: ping [11:40] Hobbsee: pong [11:40] smarter_: have you used dpatch before? [11:41] one or two times maybe [11:41] I thought it was going to be replaced by quilt no? [11:41] why? [11:48] smarter_: at leats, i assume it's dpatch. konversation uses it. you need to make sure you put the patch name in the debian/patches/series, else it never gets applied [11:49] oh, I'm too used to simple-patchsys, sorry [11:50] is the rc candidate out today [11:51] should be [11:51] oh, nyah, it is quilt. [11:51] according to d-a [11:51] smarter_: i only noticed when *my* patch didn't apply either, so don't worry :) [11:51] smarter_: i fixed them both [11:51] okay, thanks [11:51] np [11:52] Nightrose, u around [11:52] gotta go now, bye everybody [11:53] my intel ac97 sound card no longer recognized by hardy. does it require a proprietary driver? [11:53] Hobbsee: is the rc due out today [11:54] * Hobbsee suggests eagles0513875 reads ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com for his answer. [11:54] Hobbsee: im not sure if gmail is messed up cuz i havent got any dev emails from the list at all today [11:54] usually i get them the day after they have been sent [11:55] eagles0513875: there are archives on lists.ubuntu.com [11:56] Riddell: I have one case where kdesu works and not kdesudo.... [11:56] Riddell: kdesu.distrib "dolphin 'bla bla'" [11:56] cause then arg0 is the all string, and I split against " " [11:57] how to split it correctly so that it'll consider 'bla bla' as one arg ? [11:57] that I don't know how to do..... [11:57] hopefully nothing does that [11:57] Riddell: it is the only case where there is still an issue [11:57] Riddell: yes, that's a very specific case [11:58] Riddell: but the problem also appears with : [11:58] kdesu -c "dolphin 'bla bla'" [11:58] Riddell: same problem since same quote for parsing, and that can happen in some case [11:58] Riddell: if I can fix this, then we would 100% compatible... [11:59] usecase: kdesudo "foo --bar 'bla bla'" [11:59] Riddell: note that the current kdesudo behavior is the same than gksu :) just that kdesu reacts differently [11:59] I think I have to look at kdesu code to understand how it deals on that point [12:00] it is just a matter of splitting correctly.... [12:00] there is no emergency, but I'd like to get that fixed before the release [12:01] KRun::shellQuote(arg); [12:01] hum, interesting === pgquiles__ is now known as pgquiles [12:10] /join #ubuntu+1 [12:10] yao_ziyuan: I won't [12:10] lol [12:15] goodness, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback has a comment already [12:18] Riddell: the RC is already out? [12:18] no [12:19] which is why it's curious [12:39] Riddell: kshell::splitargs [12:39] Riddell: this is what I need for that specific case...... writing the patch [12:40] Riddell: I'll wait for tomorrow before uploading, and will perform all required compatibility tests [12:52] Riddell: hmm, there's a high chance of me having one examination directly during the UDS [12:52] Riddell: what should I do? [12:53] I mean - will it be possible for me not to be there for one morning phase? [12:56] mhb: yes [12:56] good [12:58] we're not so cruel as to make you sacrifise your entire education for us :) [13:01] Riddell: splitting works ;) great ! I'll test everything toonight, but will wait for tomorrow to upload [13:14] i found a bug [13:14] i installed hardy beta live cd in vbox [13:15] during installation i chose Simplified Chinese as system language [13:15] after installation, [13:15] i see a login screen with two chinese chars displayed as dots [13:16] i will give you guys a screenshot [13:17] yao_ziyuan: beta is old [13:17] try RC later today [13:18] it should be fixed [13:19] i once asked in #ubuntu-cn that if this bug was fixed in beta and someone said yes [13:20] but today i personally downloaded and tested it in vbox [13:20] and it's not fixed [13:24] uploading screenshot [13:25] as I said, try the RC [13:28] Riddell: on KubuntuUDSPragusSpecs, are the headers packages or random titles? [13:28] just for your record if we're not talking about the same bug: [13:28] http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/brokenchars.png?gda=QVO89kAAAACHWpUiYTwLawza5SKvOatotbW0Vdh74P0U5wVrKMzqMGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRZDt9GMOPF_AQTT_bdC6vU&gsc=SpRa6AsAAADI731D79bSDiwTKRD-gEh4 [13:28] seele: just titles for the sessions, which in some cases will become titles for the specs [13:28] everybody look at this... if system language set to simplified chinese, two chars will be broken in the login screen [13:28] Riddell: ok [13:30] as shown in the screenshot at the above link [13:31] yao_ziyuan: 13:25 < Riddell> as I said, try the RC [13:31] ok [13:31] Riddell: would i get the RC by: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" [13:32] yao_ziyuan: yes that would work [13:35] is rc out tomorrow? [13:37] within the next 6 hours [13:37] and how many rc's will there be? [13:38] Usually just one. [13:38] 1 [13:38] then why does the channel topic say "Test RC Candidates"? [13:38] because we need people to test them [13:38] upgrades too [13:38] KDE4 remix was installed fine [13:39] although the appearance of the installer was not stellar :o) what toolkit was that? [13:39] mhb: qt4 [13:39] network manager seems to produce a lot of noise when shutting down [13:39] Riddell: hmm, does the python-qt4 still have trouble with oxygen theme? [13:40] mhb: shouldn't do, was it using it? [13:40] no [13:41] it looked a bit like the old plastik to me [13:41] mhb: kde will try and write the qt config file to tell it to use oxygen, but I'm yet to work out when it does that [13:41] that's just the default qt 4 theme [13:41] right. otherwise the system seems fine [13:42] except for small glitches, like I can't understand why do I have to click Shutdown in the menu and then I get another shutdown dialog [13:42] I will test the apps now [13:43] upstream issue that [13:43] fixed in kde 4.1 [13:43] okay [13:43] do report results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:44] anyone knows what cheguevara wanted from me this morning? [13:44] nope [13:56] Riddell: are we going to ship Dragon Player instead of Kaffeine? I mean it's okay for a remix, but definitely not so for interpid :o) [13:56] kaffeine is so much more than dragon player or just about any other player I know [13:56] you can just plug a DVB-T stick and if the drivers are in Ubuntu, it just works, no additional software needed [14:03] mhb: on the whole I prefer kde 4 apps over kde 3 ones for the kde 4 desktop [14:03] otherwise, whatever works best === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [14:03] well, I prefer apps that works over the apps that don't, whatever the toolkit is. [14:04] I think someone with some knowledge of phonon should have a look at this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/217763 [14:04] Launchpad bug 217763 in kde4libs "kde4 no system notifications sound" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:20] * apachelogger is awfully tired today :( [14:20] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [14:33] Nightrose: that bug is invalid [14:34] either the user broke it [14:34] or [14:34] which is more likely [14:34] an old version of KDE 4 misdetected the devices [14:34] [AudioOutputDevice_pci:1002:437b:103c:2a3d:playback:alsa:0] [14:34] apachelogger: well yea likely [14:34] that line shouldn't look like this [14:34] I had the same problem after upgrading form gutsy [14:34] never saw this on any machine [14:35] Nightrose: we can't really support the upgrade path from gutsy KDE 4 to hardy KDE 4 IMO [14:35] hmmm ok [14:35] KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 3 -> KDE 4 and KDE 3 -> KDE 3 -> KDE 4 is enough IMO ;-) [14:35] hehe [14:36] especially since the problem is probably caused by some change in a subsystem [14:36] well I think this will cause some trouble for users and maybe can be added to the releasenotes or something [14:36] *shrug* [14:36] Nightrose: ask Riddell [14:36] Riddell: ^ ;-) [14:37] [AudioCaptureDevice_pci:1102:0002:1102:8061:capture:alsa:0] [14:37] oha [14:37] stdin: do you have a gutsy with KDE 4.0.3? [14:37] Nightrose: did you upgrade to hardy before .3? [14:37] apachelogger: I think so [14:38] but not 100% sure [14:38] well, the line above is from my gutsy phononrc [14:38] and I think it is more likely that the format broke in KDE rather than some underlying system [14:39] apachelogger: not at the moment, but I could just run dist-upgrade on my gutsy machine and get it [14:40] stdin: please do so and check whether phonon is still working after that === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [14:44] a question: i upgraded from gutsy to hardy. the two's kickers are not the same [14:44] for example, hardy has double stripes for taskbar panels [14:45] but my upgraded hardy still has single stripes [14:45] also, in a fresh hardy, if you click the K Menu button, there will be a sunken rectangle surrounding the K Menu button [14:45] in my upgraded hardy, there isn't [14:48] in the fresh hardy, [14:48] if the system language is chinese, [14:48] i can see a scim tray icon [14:48] but it doesn't have any input methods [14:49] you left-click it, there is no input methods menu [14:49]