[00:11] <stdin> Tonio_: it's on his wiki though, linked to from LP
[00:11] <stdin> (email that is)
[00:14] <Tonio_> stdin: ah right !
[00:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: email is gone...... now I have to sleep a bit :)
[00:17] <Tonio_> one critical issue fixed, a think I can go sleep more that 3 hours for once :)
[01:17]  * stdin needs a pair of eyes and chooses Jucato 
[01:17] <stdin> have a peek at http://stdin.me.uk/code/kmountfile/ for me, it's about a day and a half's work
[01:17] <stdin> actually anyone can peek at it :)
[01:51] <Ashex> I'm testing the RC Candidate, currently doing install of i386 KDE4
[01:51] <Ashex> when resizing an ext3 partition in manual partitioning, the progress bar for checking ext3 stays at 0%
[01:52] <Ashex> and the next progress bar, resizing partition, stays at 50%
[01:52] <Ashex> as in, jumps to 50%, doesn't work it's way up to it, and stays there while resizing
[02:17] <Ashex> well, I sent out my installer bugs to the mailing list
[02:36] <Ashex> isn't amarok supposed to be installed by default?
[03:47] <rickeyd> i see who is away ,but who all IS here
[03:48] <rickeyd> in other words HELLO
[03:49] <e-uoaphys> hi
[03:49] <e-uoaphys> im here
[05:01] <nixternal> yo yo
[05:01] <nixternal> wolfger_: sitting in Madison Heights by the Micro Center
[05:01] <nixternal> at the Motel 6
[05:22] <wolfger_> @nixternal: wtf? Go to bed, man. :-)
[05:23]  * wolfger_ is hitting the sack. Penguicon begins in ernest tomorrow
[05:23] <nixternal> hahah
[05:23] <nixternal> to buzzed :)
[05:23] <nixternal> just left Jorge's house a bit ago
[05:23] <Jucato> :D
[05:24] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:24] <Jucato> boozed :)
[05:24] <nixternal> yo know it
[05:24] <nixternal> you
[05:25] <Jucato> it shows :)
[05:27] <nixternal> why thanks :)
[05:31] <Jucato> you're very much welcome :)
[05:31] <Jucato> now get some more booze :P
[05:31] <nixternal> I am out :)
[05:31] <nixternal> gotta wake up in a few hours to get to penguicon it seems
[05:31] <Jucato> if you can :)
[05:31] <Jucato> watch out for the hangover :)
[05:32] <nixternal> no hangover here :)
[05:33] <nixternal> although, I did drink a really nasty beer I took out of the fridge at Jorge's  :p
[05:33] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: this is not a gnome channel, this is not a support channel.  Haven't you figured that out yet?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: thoughts?
[05:35] <ScottK> This is the same guy that was hitting on you in #kubuntu-testers last year, right?
[05:35]  * ScottK doesn't have a lot of patience for that one.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK: and the propriatory, windows-only debugger in #ubuntu-devel
[05:36] <ScottK> Yeah.  That one.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: unless you give me some mindblowingly good reason *not* to ban eagles, as per the conversation last night....
[05:37] <nixternal> uh oh
[05:37]  * nixternal hides
[05:38] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you never told me about the 'hitting on' part...that is call for removal if you ask me
[05:38] <Jucato> yeah, no one hits on Hobbsee except nixternal!!
[05:38] <Jucato> no one!!
[05:39] <nixternal> hey now...don't go getting me in trouble with that long pointy stick!
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, ti was one of the things to remove him last time for.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i have him on ignore this time, so he may have tried to, but failed.
[05:44] <nixternal> sorry, I don't go for that...I am sure you know my position on that anyways..that is going way to far
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i'll give apachelogger a chance to respond, as he has been working with eagles0513875 often...but if he doesn't come up with anything mind shattering...
[05:46]  * Jucato wonders why the latest Dot article is soooooo wide... like nixternal's smiles
[05:48] <nixternal> hold on now :)
[05:56] <fdoving> Hobbsee: in this case i feeel you are a little triggerhappy. i don't know the history of this eagle guy, but the other day you banned him from -motu when he said something you didn't like in here. That is not something I like very much, even if he does have a hairy ban-history. To me as an spectator it looks crazy. He actually tries to help fix a bug, and gets banned from the channel we in here, suggested he go to for packaging related questions
[05:57] <Hobbsee> fdoving: actually, that was a long standing ban which actually got removed by accident.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> fdoving: the fact that i saw him in here made me think to check there, notice that it had gone, adn reinstate it before he got there.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm glad that you'll help him out further with all his bugwork.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: thank you for offering.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> (some people removed a whole lot of my, and everyone else's bans, to generally clear out the banlists, but there were some that should have stayed, which got missed)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> (my bad for not documenting them.  I now have)
[06:01] <fdoving> i just try to answer questions regardless of who asks.
[06:01] <fdoving> and i start diskliking ubuntu ops, most are very arrogant.
[06:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i hope it doesn't require 6 hours of your time to help him write 2 simple, 5 minute each patches.  I thank you for offering up your time so willingly, though.
[06:02] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i don't but he's free to ask. even if no one will reply.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> fdoving: only if he doesn't stop development.
[06:02] <fdoving> hah. everyone who feels he is a burden with all his questions can /ignore him. or anyone else.
[06:03] <Jucato> as long as he stops flooding the channel with bot queries and asking for bug confirmations (which he can probably accomplish better in user channels)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: or asking user questions in development channels?
[06:03] <fdoving> banning and removing is ok to prove a point, but long standing bans for months doesn't serve any purpose for people trying to learn and help.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> fdoving: the idea of bans is that hte person thinks about their behaviour, and changes.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> and that they cool off
[06:04] <Hobbsee> have you seen that this has happened?
[06:04] <fdoving> there should be such a thing for ops too.
[06:04] <fdoving> a /cooldown
[06:04] <fdoving> anyway, i need to go to work.
[06:04] <fdoving> bye.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> fdoving: if there wasn't such a one already....
[06:05] <Hobbsee> fdoving: then he would have been gone days ago.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> still, why not get all the ops to quit, then you can do their job?  Bet you'd do a good job, even with people ripping into you when they didn't agree, when they haven't even seen the past history.
[06:09]  * Hobbsee ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> that would be interesting to see.
[06:10] <Jucato> oh krap nixternal's busy right? hm... ok.. next week then
[06:10] <ScottK> Jucato: He's not busy.  He's drunk.
[06:11]  * Hobbsee wishes she was drunk.
[06:11] <Jucato> he's busy being drunk, trying to sleep, trying not to have a hangover when he wakes up, and trying to wake up for penguicon...
[06:11] <Jucato> all at the same time
[06:12] <ScottK> As long as he drinks enough water he'll avoid the hangover and his body will 'urge' him to wake up.  It should all work out.
[06:19] <nixternal> just had another 3 beers for you :)
[06:20] <Jucato> lol
[06:21] <nixternal> yay, 5 hours now until the show starts...bad thing, Jono is talking during the
[06:21] <nixternal> tesla coils
[06:22]  * nixternal zzZzzZzzzzz
[06:22] <nixternal> g'nite!
[06:23] <Jucato> g'night!
[06:23] <Jucato> I'll bug you next week
[06:23] <Jucato> you and jjesse... or after Hardy's release
[06:47] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: morning?
[06:48] <Jucato> (afternoon actually)
[06:48] <eagles0513875> 748 am for me
[06:48] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: hi
[06:48] <eagles0513875> what u mean by  ponders eagles0513875 and kmos, both contributing to kubuntu development, with fdoving being in a position of power
[06:49] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: just wondering what fdoving would do, if that happened.
[06:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:56] <jussi01> !u > eagles0513875
[06:56]  * eagles0513875 bangs head ondesk
[07:10] <Hobbsee> blink
[07:10]  * Hobbsee eyes konversation source
[07:13] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: sigh
[07:13] <Hobbsee> dude, who last merged konversation?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> smarter, mabye
[07:14] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: not i i honestly dont know what ur talking bout
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kubuntu's lack of QA concerns me sometimes...
[07:18] <jussi01> !u > eagles0513875
[07:18]  * eagles0513875 goes to find a gun
[07:20] <Hobbsee> dammit.  this is dpatch.
[07:21]  * jussi01 breaks konversation and hands Hobbsee quassel :)
[07:21] <Hobbsee> dammit x2.  smarter, this is dpatch.
[07:24]  * Hobbsee rejects the broken package
[07:26]  * eagles0513875 is nice knowing i havent borked anythign today
[07:27] <Hobbsee> it helps to actually apply patches.
[07:27]  * Hobbsee is too used to simple patchsys
[07:30] <Hobbsee> argh, crap.  that's gone into gutsy too
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fixed your bad merge of konversation.  Perhaps you'll want to do a SRU?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you didn't change the patch which makes it go to #debian by default - affects users without kubuntu-default-settings installed.
[07:51] <apachelogger> maybe debian could not patch it but use kiosk instead? -.-
[07:52] <Hobbsee> true
[07:52] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: they probably want it to happen for non=kde installs though
[07:53] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: just make very package with such configurations depend on kde-debian-configurations or something
[07:53] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: which every single kde package depends on.  right.
[07:54] <apachelogger> nope
[07:54] <Hobbsee> well, every single dke package with a changed config does.  yes.
[07:54] <apachelogger> yes
[07:54] <Hobbsee> which is a good chunk of them, i think
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:54] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[07:55] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: still I think patching defaults is a bad thing to do
[07:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: true.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: sending to #kde may be preferable, in this case.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> but i don't really see how
[07:55] <Hobbsee> (as that's where the original default is, iirc)
[07:56] <apachelogger> maybe not make the packages depend on a configuration package at all
[07:56] <mhb> good morning folks
[07:56] <mhb> hi Hobbsee, apachelogger
[07:56] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[07:56] <apachelogger> this conflicts with my idea of the original software
[07:56] <apachelogger> if someone wants a plain KDE he should get a plain KDE IMO
[07:56] <apachelogger> hey mhb
[08:03] <\sh> apachelogger, if someone wants a plain KDE he gets a plain KDE by compiling KDE directly ;)
[09:32] <davmor2> Riddell: No more surprise cd's to come through are there?
[09:34] <Jucato> davmor2: may I ask how do you usually test the ISO's? virtualization? always on another machine?
[09:35] <davmor2> Jucato: I test on hardware I currently have three test machines
[09:35] <Jucato> oh wow.
[09:38] <davmor2> Jucato: why?
[09:39] <Jucato> just wondering. I've never been of much use to ISO testing :)
[09:39] <Jucato> slow download speeds, only 1 desktop and a family laptop :)
[09:39] <eagles0513875> right now im not much either im on one machine right now my other 4 r in the us
[09:40] <davmor2> you can test in vm
[09:40] <eagles0513875> virtual box i must say has some oddities to it it especially when testing linux
[09:40] <Jucato> davmor2: with 1.5GHz and 1GB RAM, you can imagine how slow that gets :)
[09:40] <eagles0513875> when i do ctrl f1 for instance it changes my main machine to one of the tty desktops not even on the local machine
[09:41] <eagles0513875> Jucato: im not much better im on an athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz with 1.25gb ram so in a way i feel ya
[09:41] <Jucato> heh you call that "not much better"? :D
[09:41] <davmor2> eagles0513875: more annoying as heno found out is atl-ctrl-backspace :)
[09:42] <eagles0513875> wait that restarts
[09:42] <eagles0513875> x
[09:43] <etretyak> Tonio_: ping
[09:43] <Jucato> well actually it kills X... but I think kdm makes it restart again
[09:45] <davmor2> my slow machine is an old amd64 single core 3400+ 1g of ram.  Next would be the intel dual-core and then my Laptop amd 64 x2 2g ram and then my main machine amd64 x2 2g :)
[09:46] <Jucato> rawr!
[09:46]  * Jucato thinks he can finally upgrade in 2 years
[09:47] <eagles0513875> davmor2: is it a turion x2
[09:47] <eagles0513875> cuz i have been having a nightmare gettign it to work on my new laptop
[09:47] <davmor2> ye laptop is works fine
[09:47] <eagles0513875> wtf then why cant i get it to work on mine
[09:48] <eagles0513875> i can install it with the alternat cd then when booting it hangs on loading hardware devices
[09:48] <davmor2> eagles0513875: only issue I have is the broadcom wifi cause I love freedom ;)
[09:48] <eagles0513875> davmor2: cant help u there i cant even get to a desktop like i said im able to install it but it hangs on loading hardware devices this is hardy btw
[09:49] <davmor2> eagles0513875: are you running 32bit or 64bit on it
[09:49] <eagles0513875> gutsy for me has a pnp bios bug
[09:49] <eagles0513875> davmor2: tried both 32 and 64bit
[09:49] <eagles0513875> on this old laptop imrunning 64bit hardy beta no problem
[09:49] <eagles0513875> my machine is an hp tx1308nr tablet
[09:50] <davmor2> eagles0513875: Have you tried running it with the noapic line on boot?
[09:51] <eagles0513875> davmor2: i dont remember ive given up for now
[09:51] <davmor2> eagles0513875: what laptop is it?
[09:51] <eagles0513875> hp tx1308nr tablet
[09:52] <davmor2> eagles0513875: oh well if you will buy these tablet ;)
[09:52] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:52] <eagles0513875> rub it in y dont ya
[09:53] <Jucato> tab...let...
[09:53]  * Jucato drools
[09:54] <eagles0513875> not worth it Jucato
[09:55] <eagles0513875> especiallly when u cant get ur favorite linux distro on it
[09:55] <Jucato> any linux distro would do if that's the case :)
[09:55] <Jucato> n8k99 is working on that front btw
[09:56] <Hobbsee> !u | eagles0513875
[09:56] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[09:56]  * eagles0513875 gets pen thats in my hand and plans on sending it through my forehead
[09:56] <Jucato> eagles0513875: too much AOL or too much txting? :)
[09:56] <eagles0513875> both
[10:26] <Tonio_> etretyak: pohng ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> s/h// :-)
[10:27] <Jucato> maybe you meant phong? :)
[10:29] <Riddell> davmor2: no surprises, we just need to fill in all the gaps we can, should get releasesd late afternoonish
[10:36] <davmor2> did someone call I had a hard freeze
[10:37] <etretyak> Tonio_: i got you mail :)
[10:38] <etretyak> I think I can fix this bug today
[10:40] <davmor2> Riddell: there seems to be no icon for oem "Prepare for shipping to customer"
[10:41] <Tonio_> etretyak: that would be super :)
[10:41] <Riddell> davmor2: no there's not, I think we have more important bugs though :)
[10:42] <davmor2> just letting you know :)
[11:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does kubuntu_02_spaced_args.patch work?
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: pretty well
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to quote args now due to kshellprocess -> kprocess transition
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can try to kdesudo dolphin "folder with space in name"
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that didn't work since the kprocess rewrite, now it does :)
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: didn't we make kdesudo need everything on quotes deliberately to make it compatible with kdesu?
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what kprocess does, it quotes automagically
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I quote manually and pass the arg to kprocess, then we end up with double quotes and it doesn't work if there is spaces in name
[11:22] <Riddell> does  kdesudo "ls *"  work now?
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum lemme try, I use zsh so that's a bit different :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: all folder names are passed as argument :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: quite dirty, but works
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[11:25] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ mkdir "bla bla"
[11:25] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls *
[11:25] <Tonio_> passprompt
[11:25] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ touch bla\ bla/test
[11:25] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/toto$ kdesudo ls *
[11:25] <Tonio_> test
[11:25] <Tonio_> seems to work with spaced names folders :)
[11:25] <Serega> hi folks!
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay with this ?
[11:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: so long as it doesn't break anything, we did make it need quoted arguments to be compatible with kdesu for a reason (although I can't remember what)
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was for spaced named folders
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we added the quote manually due to kshellprocess usage
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: and because we were creating a hudge string send to the process
[11:28] <Tonio_> then we had to quote
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: now we are doing a p* << arg(i)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: this quotes automatically, so we end up with double quotes and that broke with spaced named folders
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: then I wrote that patch, tested everything for one hour, and the behavior is really kdesu compatible
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is even better in some cases
[11:31] <Riddell> ok
[11:31] <Riddell> if you say it works, then it works :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example if a buggy script double quotes :  kdesudo dolphin "'bla bla'"
[11:32] <Tonio_> that'll work, but won't with kdesu.distrib
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it just works as it used to before the kprocess transition
[11:32] <Tonio_> the fact that it autoquotes isn't very well documented :) that's why I didn't fix before....
[11:33] <Tonio_> and because I never put spaces in files names..... I couldn't see it :)
[11:34] <Riddell> kwwii: new quite abstract logos http://www.koffice.org/artwork/
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: but since kdesu has very strange reactions with args sometimes, I understand you really need to be sure....
[11:34] <kwwii> Riddell: wow, those are really different
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: even if I know it well, it is sometimes hard to understand what it does :)
[11:40] <Hobbsee> smarter_: ping
[11:40] <smarter_> Hobbsee: pong
[11:40] <Hobbsee> smarter_: have you used dpatch before?
[11:41] <smarter_> one or two times maybe
[11:41] <smarter_> I thought it was going to be replaced by quilt no?
[11:41] <smarter_> why?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> smarter_: at leats, i assume it's dpatch.  konversation uses it.  you need to make sure you put the patch name in the debian/patches/series, else it never gets applied
[11:49] <smarter_> oh, I'm too used to simple-patchsys, sorry
[11:50] <eagles0513875> is the rc candidate out today
[11:51] <CheGuevara> should be
[11:51] <Hobbsee> oh, nyah, it is quilt.
[11:51] <CheGuevara> according to d-a
[11:51] <Hobbsee> smarter_: i only noticed when *my* patch didn't apply either, so don't worry :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> smarter_: i fixed them both
[11:51] <smarter_> okay, thanks
[11:51] <Hobbsee> np
[11:52] <CheGuevara> Nightrose, u around
[11:52] <smarter_> gotta go now, bye everybody
[11:53] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿my intel ac97 sound card no longer recognized by hardy. does it require a proprietary driver?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: is the rc due out today
[11:54]  * Hobbsee suggests eagles0513875 reads ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com for his answer.
[11:54] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im not sure if gmail is messed up cuz i havent got any dev emails from the list at all today
[11:54] <eagles0513875> usually i get them the day after they have been sent
[11:55] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: there are archives on lists.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have one case where kdesu works and not kdesudo....
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesu.distrib "dolphin 'bla bla'"
[11:56] <Tonio_> cause then arg0 is the all string, and I split against " "
[11:57] <Tonio_> how to split it correctly so that it'll consider 'bla bla' as one arg ?
[11:57] <Tonio_> that I don't know how to do.....
[11:57] <Riddell> hopefully nothing does that
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is the only case where there is still an issue
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's a very specific case
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the problem also appears with :
[11:58] <Tonio_> kdesu -c "dolphin 'bla bla'"
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: same problem since same quote for parsing, and that can happen in some case
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I can fix this, then we would 100% compatible...
[11:59] <smarter_> usecase: kdesudo "foo --bar 'bla bla'"
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: note that the current kdesudo behavior is the same than gksu :) just that kdesu reacts differently
[11:59] <Tonio_> I think I have to look at kdesu code to understand how it deals on that point
[12:00] <Tonio_> it is just a matter of splitting correctly....
[12:00] <Tonio_> there is no emergency, but I'd like to get that fixed before the release
[12:01] <Tonio_>             KRun::shellQuote(arg);
[12:01] <Tonio_> hum, interesting
[12:10] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿/join #ubuntu+1
[12:10] <Tm_T> yao_ziyuan: I won't
[12:10] <yao_ziyuan> lol
[12:15] <Riddell> goodness, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu/Feedback has a comment already
[12:18] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: the RC is already out?
[12:18] <Riddell> no
[12:19] <Riddell> which is why it's curious
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: kshell::splitargs
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is what I need for that specific case...... writing the patch
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait for tomorrow before uploading, and will perform all required compatibility tests
[12:52] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, there's a high chance of me having one examination directly during the UDS
[12:52] <mhb> Riddell: what should I do?
[12:53] <mhb> I mean - will it be possible for me not to be there for one morning phase?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes
[12:56] <mhb> good
[12:58] <Riddell> we're not so cruel as to make you sacrifise your entire education for us :)
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: splitting works ;) great ! I'll test everything toonight, but will wait for tomorrow to upload
[13:14] <yao_ziyuan> i found a bug
[13:14] <yao_ziyuan> i installed hardy beta live cd in vbox
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> during installation i chose Simplified Chinese as system language
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> after installation,
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> i see a login screen with two chinese chars displayed as dots
[13:16] <yao_ziyuan> i will give you guys a screenshot
[13:17] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: beta is old
[13:17] <Riddell> try RC later today
[13:18] <Riddell> it should be fixed
[13:19] <yao_ziyuan> i once asked in #ubuntu-cn that if this bug was fixed in beta and someone said yes
[13:20] <yao_ziyuan> but today i personally downloaded and tested it in vbox
[13:20] <yao_ziyuan> and it's not fixed
[13:24] <yao_ziyuan> uploading screenshot
[13:25] <Riddell> as I said, try the RC
[13:28] <seele> Riddell: on KubuntuUDSPragusSpecs, are the headers packages or random titles?
[13:28] <yao_ziyuan> just for your record if we're not talking about the same bug:
[13:28] <yao_ziyuan> http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/brokenchars.png?gda=QVO89kAAAACHWpUiYTwLawza5SKvOatotbW0Vdh74P0U5wVrKMzqMGG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRZDt9GMOPF_AQTT_bdC6vU&gsc=SpRa6AsAAADI731D79bSDiwTKRD-gEh4
[13:28] <Riddell> seele: just titles for the sessions, which in some cases will become titles for the specs
[13:28] <yao_ziyuan> everybody look at this... if system language set to simplified chinese, two chars will be broken in the login screen
[13:28] <seele> Riddell: ok
[13:30] <yao_ziyuan> as shown in the screenshot at the above link
[13:31] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: 13:25 < Riddell> as I said, try the RC
[13:31] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[13:31] <yao_ziyuan> Riddell: would i get the RC by: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[13:32] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: yes that would work
[13:35] <yao_ziyuan> is rc out tomorrow?
[13:37] <Riddell> within the next 6 hours
[13:37] <yao_ziyuan> and how many rc's will there be?
[13:38] <ScottK> Usually just one.
[13:38] <Riddell> 1
[13:38] <yao_ziyuan> then why does the channel topic say "﻿Test RC Candidates"?
[13:38] <Riddell> because we need people to test them
[13:38] <Riddell> upgrades too
[13:38] <mhb> KDE4 remix was installed fine
[13:39] <mhb> although the appearance of the installer was not stellar :o) what toolkit was that?
[13:39] <Riddell> mhb: qt4
[13:39] <mhb> network manager seems to produce a lot of noise when shutting down
[13:39] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, does the python-qt4 still have trouble with oxygen theme?
[13:40] <Riddell> mhb: shouldn't do, was it using it?
[13:40] <mhb> no
[13:41] <mhb> it looked a bit like the old plastik to me
[13:41] <Riddell> mhb: kde will try and write the qt config file to tell it to use oxygen, but I'm yet to work out when it does that
[13:41] <Riddell> that's just the default qt 4 theme
[13:41] <mhb> right. otherwise the system seems fine
[13:42] <mhb> except for small glitches, like I can't understand why do I have to click Shutdown in the menu and then I get another shutdown dialog
[13:42] <mhb> I will test the apps now
[13:43] <Riddell> upstream issue that
[13:43] <Riddell> fixed in kde 4.1
[13:43] <mhb> okay
[13:43] <Riddell> do report results on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[13:44] <Nightrose> anyone knows what cheguevara wanted from me this morning?
[13:44] <Riddell> nope
[13:56] <mhb> Riddell: are we going to ship Dragon Player instead of Kaffeine? I mean it's okay for a remix, but definitely not so for interpid :o)
[13:56] <mhb> kaffeine is so much more than dragon player or just about any other player I know
[13:56] <mhb> you can just plug a DVB-T stick and if the drivers are in Ubuntu, it just works, no additional software needed
[14:03] <Riddell> mhb: on the whole I prefer kde 4 apps over kde 3 ones for the kde 4 desktop
[14:03] <Riddell> otherwise, whatever works best
[14:03] <mhb> well, I prefer apps that works over the apps that don't, whatever the toolkit is.
[14:04] <Nightrose> I think someone with some knowledge of phonon should have a look at this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/217763
[14:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217763 in kde4libs "kde4 no system notifications sound" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:20]  * apachelogger is awfully tired today :(
[14:20]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[14:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that bug is invalid
[14:34] <apachelogger> either the user broke it
[14:34] <apachelogger> or
[14:34] <apachelogger> which is more likely
[14:34] <apachelogger> an old version of KDE 4 misdetected the devices
[14:34] <apachelogger> [AudioOutputDevice_pci:1002:437b:103c:2a3d:playback:alsa:0]
[14:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well yea likely
[14:34] <apachelogger> that line shouldn't look like this
[14:34] <Nightrose> I had the same problem after upgrading form gutsy
[14:34] <apachelogger> never saw this on any machine
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we can't really support the upgrade path from gutsy KDE 4 to hardy KDE 4 IMO
[14:35] <Nightrose> hmmm ok
[14:35] <apachelogger> KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 3 -> KDE 4 and KDE 3 -> KDE 3 -> KDE 4 is enough IMO ;-)
[14:35] <Nightrose> hehe
[14:36] <apachelogger> especially since the problem is probably caused by some change in a subsystem
[14:36] <Nightrose> well I think this will cause some trouble for users and maybe can be added to the releasenotes or something
[14:36] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ask Riddell
[14:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: ^ ;-)
[14:37] <apachelogger> [AudioCaptureDevice_pci:1102:0002:1102:8061:capture:alsa:0]
[14:37] <apachelogger> oha
[14:37] <apachelogger> stdin: do you have a gutsy with KDE 4.0.3?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you upgrade to hardy before .3?
[14:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I think so
[14:38] <Nightrose> but not 100% sure
[14:38] <apachelogger> well, the line above is from my gutsy phononrc
[14:38] <apachelogger> and I think it is more likely that the format broke in KDE rather than some underlying system
[14:39] <stdin> apachelogger: not at the moment, but I could just run dist-upgrade on my gutsy machine and get it
[14:40] <apachelogger> stdin: please do so and check whether phonon is still working after that
[14:44] <yao_ziyuan> a question: i upgraded from gutsy to hardy. the two's kickers are not the same
[14:44] <yao_ziyuan> for example, hardy has double stripes for taskbar panels
[14:45] <yao_ziyuan> but my upgraded hardy still has single stripes
[14:45] <yao_ziyuan> also, in a fresh hardy, if you click the K Menu button, there will be a sunken rectangle surrounding the K Menu button
[14:45] <yao_ziyuan> in my upgraded hardy, there isn't
[14:48] <yao_ziyuan> in the fresh hardy,
[14:48] <yao_ziyuan> if the system language is chinese,
[14:48] <yao_ziyuan> i can see a scim tray icon
[14:48] <yao_ziyuan> but it doesn't have any input methods
[14:49] <yao_ziyuan> you left-click it, there is no input methods menu
[14:49] <yao_ziyuan> you ctrl+space, there won't be any input method on
[14:53] <yao_ziyuan> in the text box of the Run dialog box,
[14:53] <Riddell> theme will be polyester against qtcurve
[14:53] <yao_ziyuan> good
[14:53] <yao_ziyuan> in what distro?
[14:53] <yao_ziyuan> RC?
[14:54] <mhb> yao_ziyuan: it does us more good if you submit the bug report into our Bug Reporting System at launchpad
[14:59]  * Artemis_Fowl testing Hardy
[15:01] <yao_ziyuan> Riddell: theme for what? Hardy RC?
[15:01] <yao_ziyuan> mhb: well, ok
[15:02] <Riddell> KDE
[15:16] <yao_ziyuan> let me prepare the bug report here:
[15:17] <yao_ziyuan> In a freshly installed Hardy Beta with Simplified Chinese as the system language,
[15:17] <yao_ziyuan> there by default is a SCIM tray icon.
[15:18] <yao_ziyuan> However, pressing Ctrl+Space in a text field can't activate any input method. (If any input method is activated, you should be able to type "he" and see a list of candidate Chinese characters popping up.)
[15:19] <yao_ziyuan> And left-clicking the SCIM tray icon does not show up any input methods. (Normally, you should see a menu of several input methods, or a menu of several languages and each language is a submenu that contains its input methods.)
[15:22] <yao_ziyuan> Currently, the user has to manually right-click the SCIM tray icon and select "Configure SCIM" and manually review the settings therein and click "OK" and restart the computer in order to enable SCIM tray icon's left-click menu of input methods.
[15:22] <stdin> apachelogger: seems to be working
[15:22] <Riddell> I imagine it just needs language-support-zh installed
[15:24] <yao_ziyuan> And in a text field's right-click menu of "Select Input Method", the user has to manually select "scim" in order to start inputing Chinese. (The default input method is "scim-bridge", which fails to activate any input method.)
[15:39] <etretyak> Could someone help me with building kde4libs? I don't know well CMake.. What I need is to build Solid from kde4libs to test my fixes.
[15:40] <etretyak> and I don't want to rebuild all package each time I made some changes to Solid.
[15:41] <fdoving> you can use the -nc switch you know. to debuild.
[15:42] <etretyak> fdoving: thanks! that's what i need :)
[15:42] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[15:42] <Riddell> etretyak: you don't even need to care about the debian packaging when working on code
[15:42] <Riddell> mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ..; make
[15:42] <Riddell> then make will do the right thing
[15:43] <etretyak> cool
[15:43] <etretyak> thanks!
[15:43] <Riddell> once you have something working you can make a patch and care about the packaging
[15:44] <etretyak> Riddell: I'm testing "user disk mounting" feature for kde4 ;-)
[15:44] <Riddell> good luck
[16:12] <Hobbsee> !coc
[16:12] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[16:14]  * Hobbsee eyerolls at kubuntu-users, and tweaks a few of hte spam settings
[16:53]  * hunger thinks freezes are booooring. No new and interesting ways to break my system.
[16:54] <Riddell> :)
[16:55] <hunger> I'll update kde svn instead.
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[17:32] <yao_ziyuan> i have finished the bug report
[17:32] <yao_ziyuan> i need someone to file it for me
[17:32] <CheGuevara> why cant u file it
[17:33] <Riddell> anyone able to test an ipod?
[17:37] <yao_ziyuan> i've put it here:
[17:37] <yao_ziyuan> http://www.bytecool.com/ioiforum/read.php?1,7931,7931#msg-7931
[17:37] <yao_ziyuan> i can't file it myself because
[17:37] <yao_ziyuan> 1. i have forgotten my account/password
[17:38] <yao_ziyuan> 2. creating an account is inconvenient for me
[17:38] <yao_ziyuan> :)
[17:38] <yao_ziyuan> please!
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> yao_ziyuan: please, do ti yourself so you can be updated about happenings and comments
[17:39] <yao_ziyuan> all right
[17:39] <yao_ziyuan> i seem to remember my account/password now :)
[17:39] <yao_ziyuan> just give me a start page
[17:40] <yao_ziyuan> where is the bug tracker system's login page?
[17:40] <yao_ziyuan> !bug
[17:40] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:42] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it's not a good time to file a bug against Beta
[17:42] <yao_ziyuan> since RC is out in hours
[17:42] <yao_ziyuan> right?
[17:43] <yao_ziyuan> tell me ETA of RC
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> it was just released
[17:43] <yao_ziyuan> ah...
[17:43] <yao_ziyuan> just now i run dist-upgrade
[17:43] <yao_ziyuan> and i did received an upgrade
[17:44] <yao_ziyuan> but it's only a single package: linux-image-386
[17:45] <nosrednaekim> ok.. then go ahead and file the bug
[17:47] <Arby> Riddell: yes
[17:47] <Arby> for the ipod
[17:48] <Arby> what do you need
[17:48] <Riddell> Arby: does amarok work?
[17:48] <Arby> give me a minute to check
[17:51] <yao_ziyuan> lol
[17:51] <yao_ziyuan> Your system is up-to-date
[17:51] <yao_ziyuan> it seems this RC only has one new package: linux-image-386
[17:52] <Arby> Riddell: no, it doesn't. This is on kde4, fully up to date hardy
[17:52] <Arby> device manager shows a pop up to say it has been plugged in
[17:52] <Arby> I can open it in dolphin
[17:52] <Arby> but it's invisible to amarok
[17:53] <Arby> Riddell: want me to try on kde3?
[17:55] <yao_ziyuan> i'm downloading http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/releases/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[17:55] <Riddell> Arby: even in settings -> media devices ?
[17:55] <yao_ziyuan> if i found the input method problem still persists in it in vbox,
[17:55] <Arby> looking
[17:55] <yao_ziyuan> i would file
[17:56] <Arby> ok that works
[17:56] <Arby> settings -> configure amarok -> media devices -> autodtect devices
[17:56] <Arby> and now it appears
[17:57] <Riddell> Arby: appears in the Devices tab?
[17:57] <Arby> Riddell: yes appears and plays
[17:57] <Riddell> Arby: what if you Disconnect?
[17:58] <Arby> or it would if I could get sound to work on this laptop:(
[17:58] <Arby> Riddell: it works, although it shows a warning
[17:59] <Arby> but it disconnects anywya
[17:59] <Arby> Riddell: connect does not reconnect it
[18:02] <Arby> Riddell: in fact I am now completely unable to connect it
[18:03] <Arby> even via settings menu
[18:03] <Arby> also tried unpluggin and replugging
[18:04] <Arby> Riddell: it only gets mounted if I go device-notifier -> open in Dolphin
[18:04] <Arby> It then shows up in Dolphin and in ls /media
[18:04] <Riddell> mm, I see the same
[18:05] <Arby> seems like ipod mounting is a bit borked
[18:06] <Arby> hmm, once it mounted in Dolphin it just automounted in Amarok
[18:08] <Arby> Riddell: anything else to try?
[18:08] <Riddell> Arby: no, that's all thanks
[18:09] <Arby> ok, feel free to ping for further testing later
[18:10] <flipstar> hi, jockey-kde doesn't detect my card..is this the correct behavior for an live cd ? (using 20080417.1/ and a nvidia 6800gt)
[18:11] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell, seele: Have a look at this: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/1231169_ynizs/out_011006.ogg
[18:11] <Riddell> Arby: how about if you plug it in, change in settings->media devices configure device the post disconnect command from "kdeeject.." to "umount %u"
[18:11] <Riddell> Arby: does that stop the disconnect error message?
[18:11] <Arby> trying
[18:13] <Arby> Riddell: no, it doesn't
[18:13] <Riddell> Arby: what's the error message you get?
[18:14] <Arby> Riddell: Post-disconnect command failed, before removing device, please make sure that it is safe to do so
[18:14] <Riddell> hmm
[18:15] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: looks good
[18:16] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: blog blog!
[18:16] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I have no blog :)
[18:16] <flipstar> kdesktop crashed right after login..after restarting the / filesystem is on the desktop..
[18:17] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: next thing up: bug #196756
[18:17] <flipstar> i started it as root..maybe this was wrong
[18:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196756 in kgrubeditor "kgrubeditor doesn't recognize AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST entries" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196756
[18:18] <Riddell> flipstar: does jockey-gtk?
[18:18]  * flipstar installing..
[18:19] <flipstar> no, jockey-gtk also doesn't work
[18:20] <flipstar> same messages as here http://pastebin.com/m467a5ff9
[18:20] <Riddell> flipstar: best report it then, pitti is pretty responsive https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+filebug
[18:21] <aos101> Shouldn't the download links for the KDE4 RC point to /RC instead of /beta ?
[18:21] <aos101> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu
[18:22] <Riddell> fixing
[18:23] <aos101> OK.  Thought I should check in here incase it was intentional (waiting for a new build to sync or something).
[18:30] <flipstar> hm kate won't start here..maybe its related with kdesktop .. ?
[18:31] <flipstar> after reinstall kate it says Bus error (core dumped)
[18:37] <ScottK> If this kde3 or kde4?
[18:38] <ScottK> If/s
[18:38] <ScottK> is even
[18:46]  * flipstar restarting X
[18:50] <yuriy> awen_: have you seen bug 218889?
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218889 in kde-guidance "[hardy] brightness on KDE jumps from 100% -> 42% -> 0%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218889
[18:52] <awen_> yuriy: just saw it a bit ago .... was about to try to remember the hal reply i need him to check
[18:54] <ubuntu> nvm kate works like expected now
[19:04] <flipstar> btw the installer still doesn't detect my raid..it would just have to install dmraid..
[19:05] <blueyed> Riddell: apport is deactivated for release (in /etc/defaults/apport), so it should be enabled in adept. In case you enable it in the defaults file, adept should also work by itself. If this is OK, I'll prepare a debdiff.
[19:12] <awen_> has anyone tried the transcoding feature in amarok when transferring files to a media device? ... or is it at all supposed to work out-of-the box
[19:16] <ScottK> smarter: Good day.  How's your guidance testing coming?
[19:17] <ScottK> awen_: Have you looked at smarter's dbus restart patch?
[19:19] <smarter> ScottK: hi ScottK
[19:19] <ScottK> Heya smarter.
[19:19] <smarter> it works fine, but it only works for hal restart, dbus restart are not supported in Ubuntu nor upstream
[19:19] <smarter> and lead to various problems
[19:19] <ScottK> Right.
[19:19] <ScottK> Sorry, remembered wrong.
[19:20] <smarter> if you still want to have a semi-working guidance, you have to manually restart it
[19:20] <awen_> ScottK: a new patch, or the same patch as is in gpm now?
[19:20] <ScottK> awen_: I new one
[19:20] <ScottK> I/A
[19:20] <awen_> where is it?
[19:20] <ScottK> awen_: It's in smarter's PPA.
[19:21] <Riddell> blueyed: please do
[19:21] <awen_> smarter: what have you chnaged compared to the one in g-p-m now?
[19:21] <ScottK> If you'd just double check it, I'll work on getting RM approval to upload it.
[19:22] <smarter> awen_: see the debdiff: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu16.debdiff
[19:22] <smarter> ScottK: sure, I'll test on my eee
[19:24] <awen_> ScottK: i suppose that was exactly what we talked about .... that the dbus restart didn't realle work so should we do it at all
[19:24] <apachelogger> blueyed: btw, the vbox issue I had was actually a broken iso :)
[19:25] <blueyed> apachelogger: phew.. :)
[19:25] <apachelogger> stdin: can you please paste ~/.kde4/share/config/phonondevicesrc
[19:26] <awen_> ScottK: but no problem if you changed your mind about it ... was the same that i "voted" for last time
[19:29] <awen_> ScottK and smarter: looks good to me ... i'll just test it!
[19:33]  * awen_ wonders if he is connected
[19:35] <awen_> smarter and ScottK: looks good :) ... +1 from me
[19:38] <awen_> smarter: and thanks for convincing ScottK ;)
[19:45] <blueyed> yuriy (and others): is the patch for bug 204439 correct?
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439
[20:20] <stdin> apachelogger: http://stdin.pastebin.com/d3b94e256
[20:20] <apachelogger> stdin: did you start off with 4.0.0 on that machine?
[20:21] <stdin> I thinks so
[20:21] <stdin> at the latest it's from 4.0.1
[20:22] <apachelogger> well, then this strange device names might have been caused by .0
[20:48] <mhb> evening my dears
[20:49] <smarter> ScottK: kde-guidance patch tested on my asus eee, works fine
[20:49] <yuriy> blueyed: I have not tested it, beyond just running adept and not having it crash
[20:50] <yuriy> blueyed: I was trying to figure out how to run it localized in french to confirm the bug and test the fix but couldn't figure out how to run apps with a different locale
[20:51] <yuriy> and nobody else responded when i asked to test in here
[20:54] <emu> Riddell: Could I use this pic (http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-8.04-rc.png) for the german announcement too?
[20:58] <blueyed> yuriy: It did not work for "de" here. But I think I know the reason, testbuilding now. Try "LANG=fr adept_manager" or "KDE_LANG=fr adept_manager"
[20:59] <awen_> yuriy: is a 8.04 kde3 in french adequate ... and what should i test?
[21:01] <yuriy> blueyed: i've tried those and they didn't seem to work
[21:01] <yuriy> awen_: bug 204439
[21:01] <blueyed> yuriy: did you have language-pack-kde-fr-base installed?
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439
[21:02] <yuriy> blueyed: oh i guess not. i couldn't figure out what i needed to install.
[21:02] <yuriy> and i thought language-support- should depend on whatever is needed for kde as well
[21:03] <yuriy> blueyed: and your comment about the make translatable is probably correct
[21:04] <yuriy> i don't really understand i18n, but not having an i18n call at all was obvious
[21:04] <blueyed> yuriy: yep.. it does not work with your patch alone, because you need to add an additional "gettext domain", where those strings are in (seems to be libapt-front)
[21:04] <ScottK> smarter: What was the bug for your kde-guidance patch again?
[21:05] <yuriy> blueyed: ok. i have no idea what that means :P so i guess that would need some more work
[21:05] <blueyed> yuriy: like I've said: just testbuilding.. I'll let you know.. :)
[21:05] <awen_> yuriy: hmm... tell me again if it is important; my VM has lost network connection due to me playing around with it since last restart
[21:06] <yuriy> awen_: we're discussing bug 204439
[21:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204439 in adept "Non translatable elements on installer menu of Adept Manager" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204439
[21:06] <blueyed> yuriy: I find the extra "ascii" suspicious/strange (in your patch)
[21:07] <awen_> yuriy: i know ... but if you need it tested at some point, say so; i still have a french version of kubuntu in a VM (from a previous test)
[21:07] <yuriy> blueyed: yeah that's iffy. tbh the whole thing (all 1 line of it) is a hack, and there's something i'm probably not getting about STL there
[21:08] <blueyed> yuriy: wouldn't "i18n(r->prettyName())" work already?
[21:08] <yuriy> because r->prettyName() is an std::basicString or something like that, and i18n wants an QString and QString wants an std::string or char string
[21:09] <yuriy> blueyed: no, that doesn't compile
[21:09] <yuriy> er sorry that's flipped
[21:10] <blueyed> ah, I see. Should be ok like it is, only seems to be "too verbose"
[21:10] <yuriy> i18n() wants a C string
[21:10] <yuriy> which brings us back to the "make translatable" comment
[21:10] <yuriy> because i guess in general you're supposed to give it string literals?
[21:10] <fdoving> yuriy: where does r->prettyName() get it's text from? - can't the i18n call be done there?
[21:11] <blueyed> yuriy: yes. But it's translated in libapt-front, which should provide this.
[21:11] <yuriy> fdoving: possibly... in apt-front and/or ept then?
[21:11] <yuriy> blueyed: oh, is it? did you check?
[21:12] <blueyed> yuriy: yes, that's why I've added the "libapt-front" textdomain and will test if it works, when the build is finished.. :)
[21:12] <fdoving> i have no clue. but as far as i know i18n wants to eat text.
[21:12] <blueyed> yuriy: I've grepped in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES
[21:12]  * yuriy thinks his patch to wineconfig was probably wrong then
[21:13] <fdoving> the idea is to make strings translatable without compiling or running the program.
[21:13] <yuriy> in general, is foo = "bar"; i18n(foo) correct? or is there some other trick you need to do?
[21:14] <fdoving> so fetching the text to translate with functions like that is awkard as one needs to be a hacker to understand where the text comes from.
[21:14] <blueyed> yuriy: that would work, as long as "bar" is marked for gettext extraction somewhere else.. when extracting, it uses e.g. everything in i18n(), but there are other ways.
[21:14] <ScottK> yuriy: Please let me know pretty quickly if we need to fix it.
[21:15] <fdoving> yuriy: i think foo = i18n( "bar" ); is the way to do it.
[21:15] <blueyed> fdoving: yes, that's the preferred method, of course.
[21:15] <fdoving> yuriy: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n
[21:16] <yuriy> ScottK: i think we need to mark those other strings for extraction then, but I don't know how to do it
[21:16] <yuriy> ok i g2g
[21:16] <yuriy> fdoving: I will read up on that
[21:17] <ScottK> yuriy: I was about to ask release manager for permission to upload smarter's hal restart patch.  I'll hold off for a bit so you can research it.
[21:20] <yuriy> dang, i guess i gotta hurry up ; )
[21:20] <fdoving> yuriy: i'm pretty confident this i18n hack is plain and simple wrong. if that can help you somehow.
[21:22] <blueyed> ScottK: hal restart? reminds me of bug 63450
[21:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63450 in acpid "acpid install fails (because of hal running)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63450
[21:22] <ScottK> No, it's guidance power-manager this time.
[21:22] <blueyed> but the same issue?
[21:23] <blueyed> you want to take care about if hal is running then, too, probably.
[21:23] <ScottK> No.  This is gpm surviving if hal restarts.
[21:35] <fdoving> yuriy: the untranslatable items are from libapt-front.
[21:38] <fdoving> and i guess the text is compiled into the program so even if libapt-front gettext() the text, it doesn't work.
[21:38] <fdoving> .. maybe.
[21:45] <fdoving> yuriy: yep, the file, apt-front/cache/entity/package.h is included in most of adept, and my guess is that the text isn't translated because it's compiled in english. even if libapt-front is translated and the .mo file is there and all.
[21:47] <fdoving> one can probably use gettext the old fashioned way, on adept, to extract those.
[21:48] <fdoving> when compiling adept.
[21:55] <jam__> hi all
[22:51] <blueyed> yuriy, fdoving: adding """KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalogue(QString::fromUtf8("libapt-front"))""" to adept/manager/main.cpp fixes it..
[22:58] <fdoving> blueyed: nice trick.
[22:58] <fdoving> anyway. bed. nite.
[22:59] <blueyed> fdoving: night. (it gets already done like this in debian/patches/kubuntu_03_translation_catalogues.diff)
[22:59] <blueyed> ..but not for libapt-front.
[23:08] <blueyed> yuriy: why do you say that the patch is incorrect? It's only incomplete AFAICS. I've added a debdiff to the bug.
[23:14] <yuriy> blueyed: fdoving said it's plain wrong
[23:14] <yuriy> 16:21 < fdoving> yuriy: i'm pretty confident this i18n hack is plain and simple wrong. if that can help you somehow.
[23:15] <yuriy> blueyed: could you do the fix then?
[23:15] <blueyed> yuriy: just read his last messages above. It's good (and I have some gettext experience)
[23:16] <blueyed> yuriy: yes, my fix (adding libapt-front to the catalogs), works. I've just been a bit away and needed to build it twice. The debdiff I've attached should work. It also needs your patch, of course, to send the strings to i18n().
[23:16] <yuriy> blueyed: ah, ok. so we need a debdiff that combines both then?
[23:16] <yuriy> or did you include mine in yours?
[23:17] <blueyed> yes, it's attached to bug 204439
[23:17] <blueyed> Riddell: can you sponsor it, please? It also includes the apport-default-change
[23:18] <yuriy> awen_: if you have a chance to test^
[23:18] <blueyed> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13567198/adept_2.1.3ubuntu25.dsc.diff
[23:18] <blueyed> awen_: do you want a pre-compiled .deb (i386)?
[23:18] <awen_> blueyed: was just about to ask for it :)
[23:20] <blueyed> awen_: htpp://codeprobe.de/tmp/adept-manager_2.1.3ubuntu25_i386.deb
[23:20] <blueyed> well.. http://codeprobe.de/tmp/adept-manager_2.1.3ubuntu25_i386.deb
[23:21] <awen_> blueyed: just give me ten mins ... just need to update my VM also
[23:24]  * yuriy -> run, then read techbase page on i18n, then inspect wineconfig
[23:26] <awen_> yuriy: :) ... and i'll be happy to test that one too
[23:44] <Riddell> blueyed: sponsor which?
[23:45] <blueyed> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13567198/adept_2.1.3ubuntu25.dsc.diff - but you may want to get confirmation from awen_
[23:45] <blueyed> (204439)
[23:47] <awen_> i'll get back soon ... (is upgrading my desktop to hardy, so downloads wasn't as fast as expected)
[23:48] <Riddell> yuriy: "i18n(QString(r->prettyName()).ascii())" why the multiple type conversions?
[23:51] <awen_> yeah .... that upgrade went incredibly smooth; as allways it just works
[23:51] <Riddell> great
[23:52]  * awen_ now with all his computers running hardy
[23:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. gutsy->hardy was the first time I upgraded.... no problems what so ever
[23:55] <awen_> nosrednaekim: the install i just upgraded started as dapper, and has been upgraded all the way through when beta/RC was out ... only minor glitches one of the times
[23:55] <blueyed> Riddell: I've asked yuriy the same, but didn't know the right way (from my head), so if there's a cleaner way, please just change it.
[23:57]  * awen_ finally got his VM updated ... going to test the patch now