[00:01] <user1> can i install hardy without burning it to cd. just from hardisk. if yes. how?
[00:01] <user1> can i install/upgrade hardy without burning it to cd. just from hardisk. if yes. how?
[00:01] <Flannel> !install | user1
[00:01] <ubotu> user1: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:01] <Flannel> !upgrade | user1
[00:01] <ubotu> user1: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:02] <user1> Flannel in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes  hardy is not supported
[00:03] <jbroome> sudo dist-upgrade -d
[00:03] <Flannel> user1: Its the same stuff, Hardy isnt supported because its still not a final.  Topic has stuff on Hardy upgrades, if theyre not mentioned on that page
[00:06] <user1> ok. can you tel me commands to upgrade from command line if i have the downloaded the iso file?
[00:07] <peepsalot> hmm, i tried to view the contents of a samba share folder, and nautilus appears to be hunf
[00:07] <peepsalot> hung
[00:09] <jbroome> user1: i think if you mount the iso loopback, you may be able to upgrade that way
[00:09] <slipttees> grub is much slow, and gdm too
[00:10] <slipttees> why ?
[00:10] <user1> jbroome what? how
[00:14]  * slipttees away - Novela!
[00:14] <user1> how to install guest addons for puel version of virtualbox. (i think its must for sharing files/partitions)? or is there any other way to share files?
[00:17] <ikonia> user1: what version of ubuntu are you using
[00:18] <user1> 7.10
[00:18] <user1> it suporest ose only
[00:18] <ikonia> user1: ok - so why are you asking in here ?
[00:18] <ikonia> user1: this is for hardy 8.04 - your already asking in #ubuntu, so don't ask this channel to support 7.10
[00:20] <user1> ikonia i need the command to install guest additions ?
[00:20] <ikonia> user1: so ? why are you asking in here
[00:21] <user1> i was asking about hardy and i forgot i shouldnt ask here
[00:22] <ikonia> you knew you should, as you've been told today and your asking in the #ubuntu channel first, so you knew what you where doing then you changed channels and came here
[00:23] <user1> ikonia do you read minds too?
[00:23] <ikonia> no, but I can read time stamps
[00:24] <ffm> Dr_willis, "xfix      try to fix x server" is one  of the three options along with "resume normal boot" and "root shell prompt"  when you boot into SU mode.
[00:24] <user1> ikonia and make asumptions:)
[00:27] <ffm> It's the recovery menu.
[00:30] <Monobi> how do I increase the space allowed to Ubuntu when I installed with Wubi ?
[00:31] <ikonia> Monobi: you'd have to re-partition
[00:31] <Monobi> Dang it
[00:31] <ikonia> as I understand it
[00:32] <Monobi> I didn't partition to install with Wubi, though.
[00:32] <Monobi> It is installed as any other application.
[00:36] <Dr_willis> wubi uses a 'virtual drive file' i thought on the windows filesystem
[00:36] <Dr_willis> !wubi
[00:36] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> and thats the extent of my wubi knowledge. :)
[00:38] <Monobi> Ok
[00:38] <Monobi> I'll make a post
[00:39] <Dr_willis> wubi has a homepage i imagine and some docs as well. :)
[00:43] <kristina> hi, is nvidia-glx-new safe? should I install it instead of nvidia-glx?
[00:44] <Dr_willis> kristina,  what one to use - depeends on the card you have.
[00:44] <Dr_willis> The nvidia docs mention what one for what cards
[00:44] <kristina> Dr_willis: can you tell me where to find the docs?
[00:44] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[00:44] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:45] <Dr_willis> theres a link there somewhere on the nvidia page
[00:45] <Dr_willis> or check at the nvidia website
[00:45] <Dr_willis> my 8800 uses nvidia-glx-new
[00:46] <arcanistherogue> If I update to 8.04 right now will it be very different from the RC tomorrow
[00:46] <arcanistherogue> will every package need to be reupdated for hte RC versions or are only a few things different between the current hardy and the RC
[00:46] <narvin> hello. can someone please help me get sound working? I was on Gutsy and just moved to Hardy to try to fix it but it didnt work. error message I get is: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[00:46] <Dr_willis> arcanistherogue,  hard to tell. :) untill the update happwns.
[00:47] <narvin> im on beta 1
[00:47] <Dr_willis> arcanistherogue,  i imagine there will be a few updates. proberly not  more then 10000000000gb. :)
[00:47] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, sometimes its like you were pw0ned too... "happwns"
[00:47] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[00:47] <arcanistherogue> well
[00:47] <shadow420> well later I am trashing hardy KDE and getting gnome version
[00:47] <arcanistherogue> I think I'll just wait until tomorrow
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> my Gnome in hardy is fine until I unplug the power and walk around...
[00:48] <narvin> can someone please help? i've googled and found nothing. ubuntu is virtually unusable on this pc right now. i don't want to go back to windows
[00:48] <narvin> <-- noob
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> then every so often the sound starts skipping and mouse/keyboard is frozen
[00:48] <Dr_willis> no sound makes ubuntu unuseable? :)
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> then its ok for another round
[00:48] <narvin> i mean everything works except sound. so its usable. but i need audio
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> yea
[00:48] <nomasteryoda> using kde when i walk about and gnome for desktop use
[00:49] <Dr_willis> heh.. a lot depends on your exact soundcard/chipset. some may just not have very good support.
[00:49] <narvin> Dr_willis, how can i find out?
[00:49] <narvin> i dont know what chipset i have
[00:50] <ferric84> what time are the RCs usually released?  morning, afternoon?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> narvin,  lspci for a start.
[00:50] <Dr_willis> !sound
[00:50] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:50] <narvin> Dr_willis, i just tried that. not sure whats going on
[00:51] <kristina> Dr_willis: thanks
[00:51] <narvin> Dr_willis, No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[00:51] <narvin> when i double click
[00:52] <Dr_willis> I dont use gnome.. so i dont mess with gstreamer much.. plys my sound works.. so i never looked into sound issues much. cant help much more then say  try some live cd's see if any of them get sound.
[00:55] <narvin> arg. ok thanks
[00:55] <narvin> it doesnt seem to be detecting the damn hardware
[00:56] <Prez00> so how is hardy looking?
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, i agree ... gnome does have issues
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> just left to kde4 again
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> total nuts
[00:59] <nomasteryoda> though kde3 is goo
[01:01] <sammyF_> I installed 8.04 beta today, and I have a question : the compiz open/close/minimize/etc effects don't work anymore (after checking that they were enabled). hardly critical, but it would be neat to get them back. Any suggestions?
[01:04] <Some_Person> When do we get RC?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> Ive been tweaking my 'jwm' desktop this week. :)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:08] <nomasteryoda> jwm?
[01:09] <Some_Person> Does anyone know when we get RC?
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> Some_Person, better happen soon
[01:09] <nomasteryoda> 24th is coming fast
[01:09] <derspankster> tomorrow I believe
[01:10] <RyanPrior> jwm = Java Window Manager?
[01:12] <Some_Person> well, broken links already posted on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[01:18] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:18] <Dr_willis> !info jwm
[01:18] <ubotu> jwm (source: jwm): Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1.1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 284 kB
[01:18] <Dr_willis> a Huge 284K!
[01:23] <chtri> hmm what happened to Release Candidate?
[01:23] <Dr_willis> "It will be done and released, when its done and released"
[01:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:23] <rsk> no RC chtri
[01:24] <chtri> i see
[01:24] <derspankster> Dr_willis: I keep hearing it's coming tomorrow
[01:24] <Fdisk93> hello all
[01:25] <Fdisk93> is it ok to just hang out read/learn ?
[01:25] <derspankster> ok with me
[01:25] <Fdisk93> thank you
[01:25] <ChaosParser> Yeah, why wouldn't it be? :)
[01:26] <Fdisk93> well ive been on some channels that dont allow idle clients
[01:26] <Fdisk93> i just wanted to be sure first
[01:26] <wastrel> never heard of that
[01:26] <rsk> #winehq has idle-limit for 2 days for example
[01:26] <rsk> then kick :)
[01:27] <Fdisk93> cool
[01:27] <DB42> to whoever fixed the usb quirk for the "microsoft sound system 80" thanks, it works perfectly now\
[01:27] <DB42> how can i set my mouse sensitivity ?
[01:27] <Dr_willis> if you are idling - you aint learning much. :)
[01:27] <xet7> What does mean the following, it's filling my /var/logs with many GB of logs: Apr 18 03:04:33 koti-laptop kernel: [  262.358022] phy0: not handling 0x02 type control frame
[01:28] <edoceo> Any ideas how to remove kppp with out the apt-get program thinking I should remove all of KDE?
[01:28] <derspankster> preferences>mouse
[01:28] <DB42> thanks, works :)
[01:28] <sammyF_> hmm ... any idea why an icon set that worked in gutsy suddenly doesn't work in hardy anymore?
[01:28] <DB42> and removing the nvidia logo at X start ? :)
[01:28] <sammyF_> more specifically, the drawers/drive icons
[01:29] <Dr_willis> edoceo,  removung 'kubuntu-desktop' will not remove all of kde.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> why do you want to remove kppp anyway?
[01:29] <edoceo> It tells me it will remove kde4 - and that I should use autoremove
[01:30] <phish> I installed the beta and now my sound isn't working _at_all_ what can i do?
[01:30] <edoceo> Maybe I don't understand apt
[01:30] <croddy> phish, i had the same sound problem when i first upgraded. it turns out that the modules didn't get installed with the kernel.
[01:30] <croddy> what i had to do was apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` and reboot.
[01:30] <phish> ok
[01:30] <phish> I'll give that a shot.
[01:31] <RyanPrior> You will never understand APT. It is the greatest Linux mystery - its acronym is All Powerful Totally-Gigantic Enigmatic Thing.
[01:32] <RyanPrior> Your brain can never comprehend the vast hugeness of its package repositories.
[01:32] <croddy> nah i came from debian
[01:32] <croddy> felt kinda cramped for a bit actually...
[01:33] <ffm__> Hey, for some reason my downloads from the repositories suddenly stop at random times.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> i have kde4 and kde3 both installed. Somthing did remove kde3 konwueror the other day
[01:34] <RyanPrior> ffm__: I'm seeing slow repos too.
[01:34] <ffm__> RyanPrior, For me they seem to just... stop.
[01:34] <ffm__> RyanPrior, But I'm using the mit mirror.
[01:35] <RyanPrior> ffm__: Well, we're probably not seeing the same problem then.
[01:35] <RyanPrior> ffm__: Unless perhaps some upgrade high jinks is going on at all the mirrors?
[01:35] <HavNfun> Hi - Anyone know how to make Rhythmbox default player for MP3 files?
[01:36] <croddy> system -> preferences -> preferred applications -> multimedia
[01:36] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Why would you want that? Rhythmbox is for library management, Totem is for per-song or per-playlist playing.
[01:37] <croddy> i agree
[01:38] <RyanPrior> croddy: Your solution doesn't work. The default media player is not the program which opens when you double-click an MP3.
[01:38] <keanu> since no preinstalled packages require libsdl1.2debian-*, is there any reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is currently installed by default instead of -pulseaudio?  not only is pulseaudio the default sound system now, but SDL applications with sound don't work without the -pulseaudio package
[01:38] <HavNfun> Sorry new at this - was not aware of that. will install Totem, and check it out.
[01:38] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Totem is already installed on Ubuntu. :-)
[01:39] <jimmygoon> Whats the easiest way to install kde4 in an existing hardy install?
[01:39] <HavNfun> I don't see it - this is Hardy Heron beta 8.04 install w/gnome
[01:39] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: It's called "Totem Movie Player" I think, or just "Movie Player" in the application menu.
[01:39] <Dr_willis> gmplayer tends to get the name 'movie player' also.
[01:40] <HavNfun> oh ok - Movie player has come up when I double click an MP3 file - Didn't know this would be best choice of players....
[01:40] <ffm__> Hey, I'm getting nasty scrollkeeper errros while installing ubuntu desktop.
[01:41] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: if you want to play a single MP3 file, it's pretty decent.
[01:41] <ffm__> "pasrser error: Entitiy "B(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)(SQUARE)" not defined"
[01:41] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: and others - thank you
[01:41] <ffm__> Where (SQUARE) is a dimond charecter.
[01:41] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: if you're looking through your library and just want to listen to the beginning of a song to remember which one is which, if you hover over the mp3's icon it will start playing without even opening an application.
[01:42] <HavNfun> How about if I was playing group of different songs or a whole album - what is reccomended?
[01:42] <HavNfun> Yea found that out aswell
[01:42] <mc-george> Hello, I can get the network settings to see my wireless connection, just not use it
[01:42] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: I would suggest adding a Rhythmbox quick-launch to your Gnome panel, opening it, and selecting the songs you want to pla.
[01:42] <ffm__> Hm.. it seemed to pass by it...
[01:43] <derspankster> HavNfun: it's a personal choice, I tend to listen to full albums and I use Audacious
[01:43] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: Is it easy enough to add the quick-launch?
[01:44] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: dead simple. Right click the Gnome Panel, select Add to Panel, and select Application Launcher.
[01:44] <HavNfun> I heard of Audacious - Heard good things about it - might give that a try.
[01:45] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: cool - your a help and a half - appreciate it!
[01:46] <HavNfun> I found a really nice Texas Hol'em game in synaptics - very nice graphics - I'm really likng this Ubuntu...  :o)
[01:46] <HavNfun> Hold'em
[01:46] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Yeah, Ubuntu is getting some really nice games.
[01:48] <HavNfun> Hardware support is great! - Will it make much difference to download the Final release on the 24th and do a clean re-install - or be kinda of a mute point with updates happening etc. ?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Mute point.
[01:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:48] <Dr_willis> moot point.
[01:48] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: With Wine, I've been able to play a lot of Windows games with friends over LAN as well. Age of Empires, Counter Strike, Call of Duty.
[01:48] <HavNfun> Dr_Willis: thought so - thx
[01:49] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: The upgrade to the final version ought to be trivial since you've already got Hardy packages installed.
[01:49] <RyanPrior> It could be a mute point if the point isn't very loud.
[01:49] <HavNfun> RyanPror: Wow that's too cool! - I heard of a prog. called CrossOver - Is that any better then Wine?
[01:50] <HavNfun> yep - about - fina;l
[01:50] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Crossover is the very same thing as Wine, except with some additional tweaks and tools plus commercial support for some applications.
[01:50] <HavNfun> So which is best ?
[01:50] <HavNfun> Wine - Fee - CrossOver - Not freee?
[01:50] <HavNfun> Free
[01:51] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: I certainly suggest Crossover if you can afford it. It helps pay for enhancements to Wine and it gets you tech help with certain apps such as MS Office.
[01:51] <HavNfun> Wine - Free - VS - CrossOver is not Fee?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> CrossoverGames is new out also.
[01:51] <HavNfun> Free
[01:51] <RyanPrior> CrossOver is not free, no. It's the commercial branch of the Wine developer community.
[01:52] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: I wouldn't mind supporting it by paying for it - if it's a good app....
[01:54] <HavNfun> I guess if Wine works then the old saying "If ain't broke then don't fix it" applies - true?
[01:54] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: It is amazingly good from the standpoint of just being able to run some Windows apps unmodified on your desktop - but it does not work with all apps. There is an application compatibility database at WineHQ which you can search to see what success others have had.
[01:54] <peepsalot> anyone running dual monitors with nividia?  when I maximize a window, it tries to stretch across both screens, but I would like to be able to maximize it only within the screen it is on, is this possible?
[01:54] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: If you try Wine and you like it, you could buy Crossover for the additional tools and support, or just stay with what works.
[01:55] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I've heard that others are having the same problem, and I am under the impression that it's a bug.
[01:55] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I don't know how to fix it though.
[01:55] <Fritzel> is there anything special I need to do to reinstall if I have a seperate home partition? (aside from not formatting that partition?)
[01:55] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: This has open a whole nother window ( no pun intended) of oppurtunity - I;m liken this better n better - thx
[01:55] <DB42> i think my compiz is off / bad , how do i check ?
[01:56] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, hmm, would you happen to know if that would be a bug with nvidia, or with metacity, or X or ...
[01:56] <asdrubal> rox0rmatic!
[01:56] <asdrubal> is it possible to upgrade from 32bit 7.10 to 64bit 8.4?
[01:57] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: My guess would be either a bug in the Nvidia driver or a bug in Xorg, but I can't say anything for sure.
[01:57] <RAOF> asdrubal: No.
[01:57] <HavNfun> Thanks all for input appreciate it allot. Bye for now.
[01:57] <icanhas_> peepsalot: describe the problem again for me?
[01:57] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: As far as I know, going from 32 bit to 64 bit requires reinstall.
[01:57] <RAOF> asdrubal: They're treated as entirely separate architectures, so in the same way that you can't 'upgrade' from i386 to PPC, you can't upgrade from i386 to AMD64.
[01:58] <peepsalot> icanhas_, using dual monitors, i would like to maximize a window, but have it maximized within a single screen.  currently when I maximize, it stretches the window over both of my screens
[01:58] <asdrubal> RyanPrior question: will my Unreal Tournament 2004 work with proprietary nvidia and ubuntu 64bit?
[01:58] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: No clue.
[01:58] <peepsalot> icanhas_, i just want to fill one screen with one window
[01:58] <asdrubal> RAOF do you know?
[01:59] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: There are some funky things you can do with a chroot or some special libraries or whatever to set up a 32-bit compatibility environment within a 64-bit one, but I don't know how to do that or how buggy it is.
[01:59] <m0u5e> is it released at 12:00 AM tonight? :X
[01:59] <m0u5e> the RC, i mean
[01:59] <asdrubal> RyanPrior so 64bit ubuntu isn't ready for prime time yet?
[01:59] <RyanPrior> m0u5e: No promises on the RC, it's been delayed once already so while the developers are eager to push it out they will do it when it's ready.
[01:59] <icanhas_> peepsalot: that's interesting. I had someone with the exact opposite issue not too long ago, also nvidia. no idea what caused it. sorry :/ you might want to try your luck in #compiz-fusion, those guys tend to know video cards pretty well
[02:00] <m0u5e> RyanPrior: ah, no worries. I was just wondering how it was going
[02:00] <RyanPrior> asdrubal, put it this way: I'm going to be using 64-bit on my next computer. There may be some compatibility problems, but I bet they can be hacked around.
[02:00] <m0u5e> RyanPrior: I wouldn't mind if they moved it back a month, if it meant that they fixed even more bugs xD
[02:00] <asdrubal> RyanPrior ok cool
[02:00] <RAOF> asdrubal: I don't know, but it probably would.
[02:00] <RAOF> asdrubal: And failing that, ia32-libs probably contains all the necessary 32bit libs to run it.
[02:02] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hah!  You've run into the fun of dual-screen nvidia.
[02:02] <asdrubal> RAOF video encoding is generally faster in 64 bit right?
[02:02] <asdrubal> by around 10-15%
[02:02] <asdrubal> if I remember correctly
[02:02] <RAOF> asdrubal: I think you mean 30%, and more for some things :)
[02:02] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: Not according to benchmarks I've seen.
[02:03] <asdrubal> oh cool. 30%
[02:03] <asdrubal> RyanPrior your benchmarks say less than 10%?
[02:03] <RyanPrior> asdrubal: It depends on how much RAM you have. On 2GB the speedup is tiny, on 4GB you get some speedup, on 8GB you get the 15-30% figures sometimes posted.
[02:03] <asdrubal> Hunh
[02:04] <asdrubal> RyanPrior the amount of memory you have doesn't increase computational performance unless your data set couldn't already fit inside ram
[02:04] <RAOF> RyanPrior: I'm sceptical.  x86-64 should be faster no matter how much RAM; it's got more registers available.  Source links?
[02:04] <RyanPrior> RAOF: Let me dig for a sec.
[02:04] <asdrubal> Yes it has 16 registers
[02:04] <RAOF> peepsalot: You _can_ make this work, but you need both screens to be plugged in when you start X (so, basically, at boot time) and you can't dynamically change stuff.
[02:04] <asdrubal> I think ia32 only has 4 registers, right?
[02:05] <asdrubal> Anyway, Registers are often times referred to as L0 cache
[02:05] <asdrubal> so that is quadrupled in 64bit mode
[02:05] <peepsalot> RAOF, i tried to make a script that swaps xorg.conf with dual or single monitor configurations, and at the end it tries to /etc/init.d/gdm restart    but that restart command doesn't work
[02:06] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh, you don't need to change xorg.conf; nvidia is (just barely) smart enough to not need that much handholding.
[02:06] <peepsalot> RAOF, argh, then why does it have this option to save to xorg.conf?
[02:06] <jimmygoon> damnit. after 5 30-comment bug reports the single worst ubuntu bug is still unfixed
[02:07] <RyanPrior> RAOF: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[02:07] <jimmygoon> and the second worst one --  my pc crashing every time I log out -- is still unfixed as well
[02:07] <jimmygoon> >_<
[02:07] <RAOF> peepsalot: Basically you want to run "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview" to add the 'twinview' modeline thingy.
[02:08] <peepsalot> RAOF, i need to be able to use dual screens, and also single screens. i don't understand how this happens.  Do I have to set it back to single screen everytime before I shutdown (in case I want to start in single screen next time)?
[02:08] <asdrubal> RAOF when I reinstall 64bit ubuntu to a new partition, will copying my 32bit /home/<me> directory work like I think it hsould?
[02:08] <asdrubal> err from 7.10 32bit to 8.4 64bit
[02:09] <RAOF> asdrubal: That _should_ work.  Probably.
[02:09] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: It sounds like you want a hot-pluggable screen, which I think xrandr does.
[02:09] <asdrubal> k
[02:09] <peepsalot> is this crap explained anywhere, this is really frustrating
[02:09] <RAOF> peepsalot: Basically, you just need to add a single line to xorg.conf to make the nvidia driver go "how many screens are connected" at startup.
[02:09] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, i've been told nividia doesn't work with xranr
[02:09] <RAOF> That's because it doesn't.
[02:09] <icanhas_> Correct
[02:09] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: That may be true. I use ATI, it works well for me. :-)
[02:10] <icanhas_> xrandr is also old and outdated...
[02:10] <RAOF> The day nouveau runs WoW is the very last day that I use nvidia-glx :)
[02:10] <asdrubal> I tried hackintosh recently
[02:10] <asdrubal> I like ubuntu so much more
[02:10] <peepsalot> icanhas_, what replaces xrandr?
[02:10] <asdrubal> macintosh is incompatable with so much software
[02:10] <asdrubal> err hardware
[02:10] <asdrubal> and I don't like mac ports as I do a native gnu/linux systme
[02:10] <icanhas_> peepsalot: when did i say anything replaced it? ;)
[02:10] <RAOF> peepsalot: The proprietary "TwinView" system that you're currently fighting with.
[02:11] <Agrajag-> icanhas_: i think you'll find xrandr is definitely not old and outdated
[02:11] <icanhas_> Agrajag-: what I was trying to say is xrandr has a GUI now in Hardy :D
[02:11] <RAOF> He's possibly thinking of xrandr1.1, which isn't too crash hot.  New drivers support 1.2, which is the bee's knees, ant's pajamas, and goat's whiskers.
[02:11] <peepsalot> RAOF, do you know if nouveau supports xrandr at all?
[02:12] <jimmygoon> This is really disappointing from my stance
[02:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: Perfectly.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> I have no issues with twinview. But i just set up a big wide dual screen desktop and leave it at athat.
[02:12] <AaronMT> Can anyone fetch me the default ubuntu HEX color code in Desktop Wallpaper Colors button, its like #BAC  something
[02:12] <Agrajag-> icanhas_: ok, that's very different from saying xrandr is "old and outdated"
[02:12] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Yeah.  It's OK as long as you never want to change anything :)
[02:12] <icanhas_> Agrajag-: Yes, i'll admit i went overboard, sorry.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  cant say that ive ever needed to change anything.
[02:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: I change to nouveau anytime I want monitor hotplug to work :)
[02:12] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Then you obviously don't have a laptop :)
[02:13] <peepsalot> hmm
[02:13] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  the laptop i have uses ati.
[02:13] <AaronMT> or is it #DAB082
[02:13] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  :)
[02:13] <RyanPrior> AaronMT: it's #UBUNTU
[02:13] <peepsalot> RAOF,  is that in repos?
[02:13] <AaronMT> Desktop Wallpaper -> Colours -> Color box
[02:13] <AaronMT> I need the default hex code
[02:13] <RAOF> peepsalot: No; it's still under heavy development (and doesn't [supportedly] do 3d, for example).
[02:14] <hylinux> hi, anybody use the ubuntu 8.04 64 version on amd cpu ?
[02:14] <RAOF> !nouveau | peepsalot
[02:14] <ubotu> peepsalot: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[02:14] <peepsalot> RAOF, ok, i don't think I care about 3d, it's just a work laptop
[02:14] <icanhas_> Even work laptops need compiz ;)
[02:14] <peepsalot> bah, not when it breaks java apps
[02:14] <RyanPrior> RAOF: are you a Nouveau developer?
[02:15] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Hell, no.  I package & use it, but I'm no X hacker (more's the pity).
[02:15] <peepsalot> compiz is still so MFing buggy
[02:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: So, the nouveau driver may well be good for you.  It's the fastest 2D driver available at the moment :)
[02:15] <peepsalot> neato, i will try it
[02:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: On the other hand, _heavy development_, so occasionally regressions still occur.
[02:15] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: I like compositing Metacity better, it plays well with everything I've tried.
[02:16] <peepsalot> RyanPrior, uh, i think that's not a graphics driver
[02:16] <peepsalot> and you have ATI anyways, so quit trying to confuse me
[02:16] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Nope, it's a window manager like Compiz.
[02:16] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:16] <icanhas_> ... doesn't Metacity being a composite manager still require DRI? :P
[02:16] <Dr_willis> I like To disable all the eye candy. so i can focus on the games :)
[02:17] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Interesting, although only the lame tests encoding performance.  The last lame benchmark I saw had a 100% performance improvement in 64bit mode, but maybe something's changed.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> err.. work...
[02:17] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:17] <RAOF> icanhas_: No.
[02:17] <icanhas_> ha
[02:17] <icanhas_> RAOF: Oh. ok. :D
[02:19] <icanhas_> Who is the Hardy "Release Manager"?
[02:19] <asdrubal> is going to 64bit more of a percentage boost on AMD than Core2duo ?
[02:19] <peepsalot> RAOF, what is nv driver compared to nouveau?
[02:19] <asdrubal> nv is free software nvidia driver
[02:19] <peepsalot> but so is nouveau, right?
[02:19] <RAOF> Indeed.
[02:19] <asdrubal> not sure. nv is older though
[02:20] <jimmygoon> This is rediculous that ubuntu can't get my dpi right for the gdm screen
[02:20] <RAOF> The nv driver is maintained by nvidia, and is nearly useless - it's obfsucated, it has crappy or no acceleration for < nv5x, and it doesn't do xrandr1.2 on < nv5x.
[02:21] <asdrubal> I thought nv was maintained by X.org
[02:21] <asdrubal> in fact, I was pretty darn sure
[02:21] <RyanPrior> jimmygoon: You're right, it's rediculous. You should ask for a refund.
[02:22] <peepsalot> RAOF, what is required to switch between drivers, do you ahve to uninstall and reinstall them, or is there a simpler way?
[02:22] <icanhas_> peepsalot: just an xorg.conf
[02:22] <RAOF> peepsalot: You need to uninstall & reinstall them.  Because the nvidia blob is evil, and crap.
[02:22] <icanhas_> ...
[02:22] <RAOF> icanhas_: _No_.
[02:22] <asdrubal> peepsalot edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <icanhas_> RAOF: Why not?
[02:22] <jimmygoon> RyanPrior, no its ridiculous that this bug has been documented, fixed, provided several work arounds, had much publicity from many users and yet still fixes have been reverted, revoked and not properly implemented
[02:23] <RyanPrior> jimmygoon: I agree with you.
[02:23] <RAOF> icanhas_: Because nvidia-glx overwrites Xorg libraries, and so nouveau doesn't work when nvidia-glx is installed.
[02:23] <peepsalot> ugh
[02:23] <asdrubal> and in your "Section 'Device'" look for Driver "Nvidia" and change it to nv or vice versa
[02:23] <RAOF> icanhas_: In the same way that _no_ other driver works properly when nvidia-glx is installed :)
[02:23] <peepsalot> why the hell do people say that nvidia is so great on linux?
[02:23] <RAOF> asdrubal: See teh above rant :)
[02:24] <icanhas_> RAOF: Normally I'd say I don't believe you. But that sounds very convincing lol. Just for knowing that, I'd give nvidia-glx* a --purge when i got rid of it ;)
[02:24] <RAOF> peepsalot: Because it's not quite as bad as ATI.
[02:24] <asdrubal> yeah...
[02:24] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Nvidia's drivers are actually pretty decent. ATI's drivers have some bad problems too.
[02:24] <asdrubal> RAOF I use custom trimmed kernels that I compile myself so I always use the nvidia installer script which I am pretty sure backs up your old files
[02:24] <icanhas_> peepsalot: yeah, you should see the issues with ATI's drivers. The only difference is, there's either a fix, or you can't do it. nvidia has a lot of grey area bugs from what i've seen.
[02:24] <asdrubal> whether it is neuvou or not
[02:24] <peepsalot> is there ANY graphics chipset with reasonable linux support?
[02:25] <asdrubal> peepsalot Nvidia dude
[02:25] <RyanPrior> peepsalot: Intel is really well supported.
[02:25] <icanhas_> peepsalot: Intel is good, but their performance isn't so great
[02:25] <asdrubal> Nvidia is perfect for me
[02:25] <Ashex> son of a bitch
[02:25] <asdrubal> NVidia is about the only option if you want excellent game support
[02:25] <Ashex> how do you move around the widgets in kde4?
[02:25] <asdrubal> ATI is ok
[02:25] <peepsalot> asdrubal, you don't use dual monitors do you
[02:25] <RAOF> asdrubal: It might.  Regardless, you need to uninstall the drivers before another driver can do 3D.
[02:25] <Ashex> in the task bar that is
[02:25] <asdrubal> peepsalot nope
[02:25] <ccole0> so does anyone (who is left) have any advice for which driver and xorg.conf I should use for a radeon x300 on a laptop running 8.04 RC?
[02:26] <ccole0> I have serious performance problems
[02:26] <peepsalot> nividia had crappy suspend support to, on my last laptop, it's a miracle it works on my new one
[02:27] <peepsalot> RAOF, is nouveau really stable enough that I can rely on it to work day to day?
[02:27] <RAOF> ccole0: Try moving your xorg.conf away & let X autodetect everything.
[02:27] <RAOF> peepsalot: This is an interesting question :)
[02:27] <icanhas_> ccole0: that's a complicated answer
[02:27] <RAOF> peepsalot: On _my_ laptop, undoubtedly yes.
[02:27] <ccole0> RAOF: ok, I will try that and report back
[02:27] <chuy_max> what package should I install for standard C library?, I try to compile an app with gcc but it tells me math.h and stdio.h don't exist
[02:27] <RAOF> chuy_max: libc6-dev
[02:27] <ccole0> icanhas_, How so?
[02:28] <chuy_max> RAOF, thanks
[02:28] <peepsalot> RAOF, how often are there updates on those packages?
[02:28] <RAOF> peepsalot: I update them pretty much daily.
[02:28] <icanhas_> ccole0: Depending on what exactly your card supports, there are probably 15 xorg edits i can think of for xpress ati cards
[02:28] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, if there is a regression, is there any simple way to roll back to previous versoin?
[02:29] <ccole0> icanhas_, hehe... 15 is nice, but I only really need one that doesn't suck... like the one I currently have
[02:29] <RAOF> peepsalot: Kinda, yes; you should have the old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives, which you can install again with dpkg.
[02:29] <peepsalot> ah ok
[02:29] <RAOF> peepsalot: Sadly the PPA doesn't keep any but the most recent.
[02:29] <peepsalot> PPA?
[02:29] <peepsalot> oh, your package repo thing
[02:29] <RAOF> Yeah.
[02:30] <RAOF> ccole0: I'd start with _no_ xorg.conf, and see if that's any better :)
[02:30] <Belboz99> Hey all, anyone here familiar with the ATI 8.4 bug divert clash bug?
[02:30] <ccole0> RAOF, yeah, I will do that.  be back in a few
[02:30] <icanhas_> Belboz99: why are you using 8.4?
[02:31] <Belboz99> icanhas_: because 8.3 has bugs that prevent me from using Wine
[02:31] <sparr> I have debian repositories in my sources.  They are pinned high priority for two packages, negative priority for everything else.  Is there a way that I can  alter that arrangement so that dependencies of the two pinned packages can also be downloaded from debian?
[02:31] <Belboz99> I was hoping 8.4 would resolve them
[02:31] <icanhas_> Belboz99: ouch. sorry. what exactly does this bug do?
[02:31] <Belboz99> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[02:32] <icanhas_> Belboz99: oh, that. did you install with Envy?
[02:32] <Belboz99> icanhas_: most of the ATI Hardy community has been affected by this
[02:32] <sparr> Belboz99: what package is responsible for ....1 and ....1.2?
[02:32] <Belboz99> icanhas_: nope
[02:32] <icanhas_> Belboz99: odd. if you insist "most" have been affected.. point me to the bug report?
[02:32] <RyanPrior> Firefox 3 Beta 19
[02:33] <Belboz99> here's the weird thing, you can go and remove the clashing diverts, dpkg puts them back in
[02:33] <RAOF> icanhas_: Well, since there's no _supported_ way to get 8.4 any bugs would be marked as invalid :)
[02:33] <icanhas_> RAOF: right. thank you again :P
[02:34] <Belboz99> RAOF: that would explain why the only current bug report was marked "closed" even though it was never resolved :(
[02:34] <keithclark> In Evolution, is there a way to sync with Yahoo Mail and import the entire directory structure created there?
[02:34] <HavNfun> Couple of questions here - What is best all-around CD/DVD burning app for Gnome ? - Also what is best recommended and easiest app to use with an iPod?
[02:34] <peepsalot> RAOF, i don't know package management well enough to install this :-(  it says it's broken because depends on some libdrm2 version
[02:35] <HavNfun> Running Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 w/updates.
[02:35] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Brasero is probably the best for Gnome - KDE has k3b, the besteset DVD/CD app ever.
[02:35] <RAOF> peepsalot: That libdrm version should be in the PPA as well?
[02:35] <icanhas_> Belboz99: is it possible the answer is finding work around for the issues in 8-3 with wine?
[02:35] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: Rhythmbox and Banshee supposedly both have good support for iPods.
[02:35] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh, have you just downloaded the .deb?
[02:35] <peepsalot> RAOF, why doesn't it just resolve the depency?
[02:35] <Belboz99> icanhas_: the 8.3 issue is pretty nasty, mostly involving memory addresses
[02:35] <HavNfun> Running Gnome desktop only - KDE - maybe later - as of now happy w/gnome.
[02:35] <peepsalot> RAOF, no i edited source.list
[02:36] <peepsalot> and using aptitude
[02:36] <ccole0> nope, video performance is still terible
[02:36] <icanhas_> Belboz99: ouch. and wine is absolutely neccesary for you? because i use wine for a few things with 8-3 with no issues
[02:36] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: give Brasero a try then. It works well for me.
[02:36] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hm.  Can you pastebin the full log?
[02:37] <ccole0> hmmm
[02:37] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: asked a few questions earlier - thx again for help - almost got this tweaked how i want it for now - will defiantly research the Wine you mentioned earlier though.
[02:37] <ccole0> I seem to not have an xorg.conf now... how is that even possible?
[02:37] <RAOF> ccole0: Any joy?
[02:37] <ccole0> no joy
[02:37] <ccole0> the oposite of joy
[02:37] <RAOF> ccole0: Because that's what I asked you to do? :)
[02:38] <ccole0> yeah, but shouldn't it have generated a new one?
[02:38] <RAOF> No, it just autodetects.
[02:38] <ccole0> oh
[02:38] <ccole0> well, it's autodetect is still slow as hell
[02:38] <RyanPrior> HavNfun: luckily, mose apps available for Windows have Free Software equivalents which don't need Wine! Never hesitate to come in and ask for recommendations.
[02:38] <HavNfun> RyanPrior: thx mucho - so much to install - so little time <grin> thx - later on.
[02:38] <RAOF> ccole0: Care to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[02:38] <ccole0> sure, give me just a sec
[02:39] <Belboz99> icanhas_: not absolutely necessary, I just hate having  to go into Windows to play Games
[02:39] <icanhas_> ccole0: maybe i missed it, what issues are you having exactly?
[02:39] <ccole0> it's pretty big... not sure I should paste it in chat
[02:40] <peepsalot> RAOF, nevermind, i did a upgrade and it is going to install your libdrm2
[02:40] <icanhas_> !paste | ccole0
[02:40] <ubotu> ccole0: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:40] <peepsalot> i guess dependencies are not automatically resolved when only an upgrade (as opposed to a new install) is required?
[02:40] <Belboz99> brb, going to restart my GUI
[02:40] <ccole0> icanhas_, My problem is that I have a Radeon x300 mobile card in a laptop and my video performance is unexcusable and barely usable
[02:40] <RAOF> peepsalot: Do you happen to know what nvidia chip your laptop has?
[02:40] <peepsalot> or maybe because your package is untrusted
[02:41] <icanhas_> ccole0: Do you have xgl installed?
[02:41] <RAOF> peepsalot: Possibly.  It works for me :)
[02:41] <ccole0> RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63602/
[02:41]  * RAOF _really_ wants to kill Xgl for intrepid.
[02:41] <icanhas_> peepsalot: I could be wrong? but i've fixed dependcy issues with apt-get -f install before
[02:42] <peepsalot> RAOF, glxinfo says: Quadro NVS 140M/PCI/SSE2
[02:42] <RyanPrior> Intrepid really wants to kill Xgl for RAOF.
[02:42] <icanhas_> ccole0: wrong that xorg log, it looks like fglrx isn't even starting.
[02:42] <peepsalot> 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.12
[02:43] <icanhas_> *from
[02:43] <chuy_max> hi, Im trying to see if my dvd-rw has dma enabled, but hdparm tells me there is an inappropriate ioctl for device, any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/989024
[02:43] <ccole0> icanhas_, that was Xorg.0.log.   Is there another one?
[02:43] <icanhas_> ccole0: no, what i'm saying is your video is probabaly crap because you're using the open source driver with an Xpress card. bad idea generally
[02:44] <crdlb> icanhas_: that's not an Xpress card
[02:44] <crdlb> X != Xpress
[02:44] <icanhas_> crdlb: er, mobile laptop card.. not the same thing?
[02:44] <crdlb> Xpress chips are integrated with the motherboard
[02:44] <crdlb> icanhas_: not at all
[02:44] <ccole0> icanhas_, I have tried using the ATI driver too, in fact I was before RAOF asked me to mov my xorg.conf and the performance was carp then too
[02:44] <RAOF> ccole0: That log looked pretty much fine to me.
[02:44] <peepsalot> man, i get a crapload of parse errors from aptitude when upgrading sun-java6-jdk
[02:45] <Fritzel> RAOF: a few days ago you mentioned that the freezing of almost all graphics (except the mouse) was related to a bug in the nvidia drivers when related to SMP enabled kernels, if I wanted to disable SMP how would I go about doing that?
[02:45] <icanhas_> crdlb: *sigh* sorry, i'll change my terminology next time :P
[02:45] <crdlb> icanhas_: there's a _really_ big difference ;)
[02:45] <icanhas_> ccole0: i didn't catch your answer last time, do you have xgl installed?
[02:45] <icanhas_> crdlb: you're right :)
[02:45] <RAOF> peepsalot: Hm.  Your card might be an nv5x, which isn't well supported by nouveau at the moment (I'm not sure how well it will work).  Sorry, I should've asked this first.
[02:46] <crdlb> ccole0: when you say video, you mean video playback in a video player?
[02:46] <ccole0> icanhas_, I think so.  How can I double check?
[02:46] <RAOF> ccole0: "sudo aptitude purge xserver-xgl" should do nothing :)
[02:46] <crdlb> ccole0: xvinfo | grep -i xgl
[02:46] <icanhas_> ccole0: Well crdlb is going to make a rational suggestion. if i ask you to uninstall it he'll hit me
[02:47] <RAOF> ccole0: With the added bonus that if it _is_ installed, you'll remove it.  Which is what you want to happen :)
[02:47] <RAOF> Fritzel: You'd pass "nosmp" to the kernel from the grub boot menu.
[02:47] <ccole0> crdlb, I mean everything on the screen is slow.  scrolling webpages, is pittifly slow, video play back is awful, etc
[02:47] <icanhas_> RAOF: A man after my own heart.
[02:47] <crdlb> ccole0: Xgl would explain that
[02:47] <peepsalot> RAOF, http://pastebin.ca/989-31
[02:47] <icanhas_> ccole0: Hey, you have xgl installed, congrats.
[02:47] <crdlb> Xgl + radeon is _never_ a good idea
[02:47] <peepsalot> RAOF, sorry http://pastebin.ca/989031
[02:48] <Fritzel> ahh it's that simple? excellent thank you
[02:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Alternatively, I think you can "echo 0 > /sys/cpu/somewtihng/enabled" or somesuch to do it at runtime.
[02:48] <ccole0> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
[02:48] <ccole0>   gcc-3.3-base libflashsupport libglitz-glx1 libglitz1 libstdc++5
[02:48] <ccole0> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:48] <ccole0>   xserver-xgl{p}
[02:48] <icanhas_> crdlb: xgl + anything - compiz = never a good idea
[02:48] <icanhas_> ccole0: just hit yes, restart x, and be happy
[02:48] <crdlb> icanhas_: minu compiz?
[02:48] <ccole0> done, I guess I should restart
[02:48] <RAOF> Fritzel: Yeah.  Of course, you'll lose 75% of your computing capacity :(
[02:48] <ccole0> brb
[02:48] <icanhas_> crdlb: xgl runs like crap without compiz started. you should know that.
[02:48] <RAOF> ccole0: Or just logout.
[02:48] <Fritzel> RAOF: if I do it at runtime do I just need a specific value to re-enable it (such as number of cores) or just a true value?
[02:49] <RAOF> icanhas_: Only on crap drivers :)
[02:49] <crdlb> icanhas_: only with fglrx
[02:49] <Belboz99> icanhas_: this is my Wine output from attempting to play Oblivion if you have a chance:
[02:49] <Belboz99> http://rafb.net/p/YVutml22.html
[02:49]  * icanhas_ jabs himself in the eyes
[02:49] <RAOF> Fritzel: You'd stick `1` in each of the CPUs you want enabled.
[02:49] <icanhas_> crdlb: RAOF: ok i'm done. no more crappy advice from me :P
[02:49] <Fritzel> RAOF: ahh ok I see thank you
[02:50] <RAOF> icanhas_: You're very welcome to continue to suggest against Xgl, though :)
[02:50] <icanhas_> RAOF: every chance i get, when no one is looking ;)
[02:50] <RAOF> peepsalot: Any particular reason you're trying to install the -12 kernel module?  The current kernel is -16.
[02:50] <Fritzel> are changes to the grub boot menu at runtime (actively booting, not up and running) perminant?
[02:50] <peeps[work]> ok, will be easier for me to paste from this computer
[02:50] <RAOF> Fritzel: No, just for that boot.
[02:51] <RAOF> peepsalot: :)
[02:51] <Fritzel> RAOF: alright thanks, you're a great help as always
[02:51] <peeps[work]> RAOF, that's what uname -a tells me
[02:51] <peeps[work]> 64bit
[02:51] <ccole0> I just want to say that I love you guys
[02:51] <ferric84> what time are the RCs usually released?  morning, afternoon?
[02:52] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hm.  You might want to update - the latest kernel is 2.6.24-16-generic (or -rt, I build modules for that too).
[02:52] <icanhas_> ccole0: no, don't love us, just hate xgl :D
[02:52] <peeps[work]> RAOF, what is rt for?
[02:52] <ccole0> and I am not just saying that because I am one of those I-love-you-drunks
[02:52] <RAOF> peeps[work]: RealTime.  It's got the various realtime patches applied.
[02:52] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, well i just update a minute ago, I guess I need to reboot?
[02:53] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I suppose so, yes.
[02:53] <peeps[work]> RAOF, but i don't tink that will fix the dependency issue that I pasted?
[02:53] <RAOF> peeps[work]: you haven't actually installed nouveau yet, have you?
[02:53] <ccole0> ok, this is completely extra... but is it at all possible that I can get effects (compiz) to work for shit on this card too?
[02:53] <peeps[work]> RAOF, that's what I'm TRYING to do!
[02:53] <RAOF> ccole0: Should work fine now.
[02:53] <crdlb> ccole0: language please
[02:54] <crdlb> RAOF: except for the great ATI laptop blacklist :/
[02:54] <ccole0> err... sorry... for poo-poo
[02:54] <RAOF> peeps[work]: What you'd want to do is install the 'linux-nouveau-modules-2.6.24-16-generic' package.
[02:54] <icanhas_> ccole0: er, yes, but it doesn't work right this second. but it's very possible ) that isn't a _terrible_ card
[02:54] <crdlb> icanhas_: it doesn't work?
[02:54] <croddy> so, is RC happening?
[02:54] <crdlb> ccole0: try: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[02:54] <RAOF> peeps[work]: You're only going to be able to install the modules for the latest kernel; I haven't yet done the packaging voodoo which will make this better.
[02:56] <ccole0> eh... nope, that is bad... really bad permance.  Lookes like I am not using the restricted driver.  should I do something to force that?
[02:56] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, i will reboot and try again.  i guess the kernel being updated daily at this point?
[02:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: No, not at all.
[02:56] <icanhas_> crdlb: Why WOULD it work? did you look at his xorg log?
[02:56] <crdlb> icanhas_: what's wrong with it?
[02:56] <icanhas_> crdlb: ... obviously i'm wrong, so i'm not even going to bother.
[02:57] <peeps[work]> RAOF, well, i only installed ubuntu on this computer yesterday...
[02:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: The -16 kernel has been out for quite a while.  At least a couple of weeks.
[02:57] <peeps[work]> guh?
[02:57] <ccole0> I should remind you, that I still do not have an Xorg.conf
[02:57] <peeps[work]> then something is amiss
[02:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Aaah.  Maybe using one of the alpha/beta discs?
[02:57] <crdlb> icanhas_: maybe I'm missing something; it's a poorly supported card, but it should at least work to some degree
[02:57] <travisat> the -16-general is broken for me
[02:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> gotta love infighting between multiple people who are trying to help
[02:57] <crdlb> ccole0: what does: glxinfo | grep direct
[02:57] <peeps[work]> RAOF,  i used a beta disc, but I thought i already updated everything once
[02:57] <crdlb> say?
[02:58] <RAOF> peeps[work]: How did you update (and it _should_ have pulled in the -16 kernel).
[02:58] <ccole0> crdlb, direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[02:58] <peeps[work]> RAOF, aptitude upgrade
[02:58] <icanhas_> crdlb: that's why ;)
[02:58] <crdlb> icanhas_: no
[02:58] <RAOF> ccole0: Oh, you've still got fglrx installed, haven't you :)
[02:58] <icanhas_> crdlb: how is that not why?
[02:58] <crdlb> icanhas_: the log says direct rendering enabled
[02:58] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Ah.  that won't pull in _new_ package.  What you wanted was "aptitude full-upgrade".
[02:58] <crdlb> so what did you see in the log that was negative?
[02:58] <ccole0> it's installed, but as I don't have an Xorg.conf, I am not sure how to disable it
[02:59] <icanhas_> crdlb: obviously i misread the dri, i thought it said otherwise
[02:59] <crdlb> ccole0: it's not a case of needing to disable it
[02:59] <peeps[work]> RAOF, what is the difference?
[02:59] <ccole0> ok
[02:59] <peeps[work]> RAOF, but I see -16 in apt-cache actually
[02:59] <RAOF> peeps[work]: 'aptitude upgrade' maps to 'aptitude safe-upgrade', which will update packages already installed but _won't_ install new packages.
[02:59] <peeps[work]> i don't know, i'm confused
[02:59] <crdlb> ccole0: please pastebin the output of: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[03:00] <RAOF> peeps[work]: 'aptitude full-upgrade' will install new packages as well.  Such as when we update the 'linux' metapackage to depend on the -16 kernel, rather than the -12 kernel :)
[03:00] <peeps[work]> RAOF, oh, and linux kernels are always new pacakges i guess
[03:00] <pen> is there a way to stream media with mplayer without reconnecting?
[03:00] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yes, so we can have multiple kernel packages installed at the same time.
[03:00] <pen> I use mplayer to stream wmv content, but it is not stable
[03:00] <RAOF> crdlb: Does fglrx still kill 3d for everything that isn't fglrx?
[03:00] <crdlb> RAOF: I don't know
[03:00] <crdlb> which is why I'm taking the slow route :)
[03:00] <pen> I can't watch the video from beginning to end, it will stop in the middle and start from beginning again
[03:01] <RAOF> crdlb: Given it still diverts libgl, I'd guess the answer is 'yes' :)
[03:01] <pen> is there an alternatives to mplayer streaming?
[03:01] <crdlb> RAOF: it does? :<
[03:01] <pen> or is there any way to improve it?
[03:01] <crdlb> RAOF: debian's fglrx-driver package doesn't
[03:01] <Niriven> Will release include kernel 2.6.25? The beta b43 driver does *not* support my wireless card. Previous versions used bcm4311, but b43 is buggy, and fixed in the latest kernel.
[03:01] <ccole0> crdlb, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63604/
[03:01] <crdlb> they install the libgl separately now (so it's optional)
[03:01] <RAOF> crdlb: Apparently, yes.  At least someone was complaining about conflicting dpkg-diverts for libgl.
[03:01] <peeps[work]> ok, BRB guys
[03:01] <ccole0> segfaults are bad, right?
[03:02] <icanhas_> ccole0: apparently the worst thing evar
[03:02] <ccole0> hehe
[03:02] <RAOF> crdlb: Oh, so it's going to depend on _how_ they've installed fglrx.  Man, that's going to be more fun than a whole barrel full of barrels of monkeys!
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb: why aren't we suggesting fglrx for him again?
[03:02] <crdlb> icanhas_: because it's the devil?
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb: but it works.
[03:02] <crdlb> ccole0: sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <crdlb> icanhas_: for _very_ small values of work
[03:02] <icanhas_> crdlb:
[03:03] <icanhas_> crdlb: is there a list somewhere of how much and what cards the open source ati driver supports?
[03:03] <ccole0> crdlb, ok, done... restart?
[03:03] <peepsalot> icanhas_, what about a kernel panic
[03:03] <RAOF> icanhas_: Basically because it's quicker an easier to get the open source driver to work, and it's less fragile.
[03:04] <crdlb> ccole0: I don't think you need to
[03:04] <crdlb> try glxinfo | grep direct     again
[03:04] <ccole0> direct rendering: Yes
[03:05] <crdlb> yay
[03:05] <crdlb> SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[03:05] <ccole0> oh.... sooooooo much better
[03:05] <icanhas_> crdlb: interesting.
[03:05] <crdlb> RAOF: did you know that hardy's compiz-manager doesn't start with radeon on laptops now?
[03:06] <RAOF> crdlb: Yes, I did.  I just wasn't thinking :)
[03:06] <icanhas_> crdlb: how does one distinguish between a card that can run compiz with open source ati and one that cannot?
[03:06] <ccole0> that seems to have fixed my woahs.  everthing is working great now, video wise
[03:06] <peepsalot> RAOF, is randr12 an alternative to xrandr?
[03:07] <crdlb> icanhas_: everything through the r400 can except for the xpress chips
[03:07] <icanhas_> crdlb: like mine ;)
[03:07] <RAOF> peepsalot: xrandr is a command line tool for interacting with XRandR.  It'll use the new 1.2 protocol if available.
[03:08] <crdlb> ccole0: to make compiz always work, you must put SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-mangaer
[03:08] <crdlb> compiz-manager*
[03:08]  * DanaG still hasn't installed the last nvidia-glx-new update
[03:08] <peepsalot> RAOF, is there a gui app for configuring dual screens, or is it all command line?
[03:09] <peepsalot> (with xrandr)
[03:09] <RAOF> peepsalot: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution :)
[03:09] <ccole0> actually, I just enabled it under appearances.  I already had by passed the black list stuff on 7.10.  I guess it caried over
[03:10] <DG19075> Here's one for the brain trust: I've got Audacity installed. It will record from my soundcard(an SiS7012)but returns this error when I try playing back audio(mostly mp3'S):Error while opening sound device. Please check the output device settings and the project sample rate. Running Hardy. What to do? I have the resticted-extras installed for LAME
[03:10] <RAOF> peepsalot: I'm not sure if you'll have to explicitly turn on the xrandr1.2 support in xorg.conf.
[03:10] <peepsalot> RAOF, oh, do I need to uninstall nvidia-gx *before* installing nouveau?
[03:11] <peepsalot> or does it matter
[03:12] <DG19075> ..and the Audacity version is the 1.3.4-beta in Synaptic
[03:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: My package will automatically remove nvidia-glx.
[03:12]  * peepsalot gasps
[03:12] <peepsalot> heh
[03:12] <RAOF> peepsalot: I Conflict: with nvidia-glx, so apt won't allow you to install it without removing nvidia-glx :)
[03:12]  * DanaG hates how the volume thingy intercepts clicks
[03:12] <peepsalot> RAOF, i should really pay more attention to those apt confirmations :-P
[03:13] <dwidmann> I can't get amarok to start :(
[03:13] <RAOF> peepsalot: Here's the xorg.conf I use with nouveau, if you want it for reference: http://pastebin.ca/989061
[03:14] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, i have nvidia-glx-new
[03:14] <peepsalot> so it didn't uninstall that
[03:14]  * DanaG still hasn't decided whether 147dpi will look good.
[03:15] <ccole0> welp, thank you all for you help.  I am out of here
[03:15]  * DanaG goes off to try the Virtualbox OSE edition, since perhaps it won't have the keyboard greediness the non-OSE one is having.
[03:15] <RAOF> peepsalot: It should have uninstalled that.  _I_ use nvidia-glx-new, and it uninstalls that for me.
[03:16] <RAOF> peepsalot: Because the Ubuntu nvidia-glx-new package provides nvidia-glx...
[03:16] <peepsalot> RAOF, well, when I aptitude search nvidia, i see "i"  next to nvidia-glx-new  , and i just installed your -16
[03:17] <Xaroon> hello
[03:17] <Xaroon> hey guys ubuntu 8.04 have a MSI S430 notebook Support ?
[03:17] <peepsalot> RAOF do you think there is an issue with the package?
[03:17] <Xaroon> i will buy it
[03:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: Oh.  You haven't actually installed the *driver* yet :).  You want the 'xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' package.  What you've installed is the kernel modules necessary to use the nouveau driver, not the driver itself :)
[03:17] <peepsalot> ah ok
[03:18] <sammyF_> Cannonical is really sure about the release date?
[03:18] <peepsalot> heh, yeah that did it
[03:18] <IdleOne> sammyF_: yes! but everytime someone asks they are forced to add 1 hour to the release date/time
[03:19] <sammyF_> IdleOne: good ... then I should ask a few times more
[03:19] <bazhang> haha
[03:19] <peepsalot> RAOF, i got a crash report though
[03:19] <IdleOne> sammyF_: yeah but space it out like 20 minutes per questions or so
[03:19] <peepsalot> RAOF is that normal?
[03:19] <sammyF_> it might work well as a clean install, but as update, the beta is in a sorry state somehow
[03:20] <RAOF> peepsalot: Um.  A crash report from installing nouveau?  No, that's not normal.
[03:21] <RAOF> peepsalot: Any interesting terminal output?
[03:21] <peeps[work]> RAOF, Sorry, the package "nvidia-glx-new 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34" failed to install or upgrade.
[03:21] <peeps[work]> is the crash report
[03:21] <RAOF> Not My Bug :)
[03:21] <RAOF> That seems safely ignorable.
[03:22] <peeps[work]> i wonder why it thinks it is installing or upgrading
[03:23] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That's possibly an old report that apport has just caught?
[03:23] <peeps[work]> RAOF, http://www.pastebin.ca/989072
[03:23] <peeps[work]> line 32 is the error i guess?
[03:24] <jimmygoon> DanaG, did you post this : http://www.docstoc.com/docs/477695/China-Funny-Pics
[03:24] <DanaG> I don't think so.
[03:25] <peeps[work]> RAOF, so if I ctrl-alt-backspace it should load nouveau now, or I need a full reboot?
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Ewww.  That sucks.  You should probably file a bug.
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It hasn't actually installed nouveau yet, so neither.
[03:25] <peeps[work]> darn
[03:25] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's failed to uninstall nvidia-glx-new, so it won't install nouveau until that's fixed.
[03:25] <jimmygoon> DanaG, ok, it says it posted by "DanaG"... I knew I recognized the name at least, didn't know how unique a name it was
[03:25] <RAOF> Ummmm.
[03:26] <DanaG> Not very.
[03:26] <DanaG> I need a better one, but can't think of any good ones.
[03:26] <icanhas_> DanaG: try Ganad
[03:26] <tanner> anyone notice Xorg cpu usage high with compiz enabled?
[03:26] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Um.  Does /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 not exist?
[03:27] <icanhas_> tanner: do you have xgl? :P
[03:27] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Obviously you need to be more creative in your nicks ;)
[03:27] <HavNfun> Hay There - Anyone recommend an easy to use - simple pics (.jpg) editor and resizer app. ? Gimp is over kill for me - Less complication in in life is at times very acceptable.
[03:27] <peeps[work]> RAOF, there is no lib32, it's lib64
[03:27] <tanner> icanhas_: hopefully not, though it is whatever the default is. (one would hope aiglx would be used...)
[03:27] <icesword> !jpg
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jpg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <icesword> !multimedia
[03:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[03:28] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I mean, you're using the AMD64 version of Hardy, right?
[03:28] <peeps[work]> RAOF, yes
[03:28] <icanhas_> tanner: describe "high usage"
[03:28] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Then you should have a lib32 full of juicy 32bit libs.  Or, at least, full of the 32bit nvidia libgl.
[03:29] <tanner> icanhas_: 40-60% when not doing anything.
[03:29] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Can you just try reinstalling nvidia-glx-new?
[03:29] <peeps[work]> RAOF, nope
[03:29] <peeps[work]> ok
[03:29] <icanhas_> tanner: sounds like xgl :P yeah that's pretty bad whatever it is
[03:29] <tanner> icanhas_: simple way to change to aiglx?
[03:30] <jimmygoon> some ati users still have to use xgl don't they
[03:30] <RAOF> jimmygoon: No.
[03:30] <taggie> jimmygoon, happily, no. even on my firegl-mobile
[03:30] <peeps[work]> RAOF, weird, it's there now
[03:30] <RAOF> jimmygoon: Some ATI users might still _want_ to use XGL, but all ATI users should be able to run Compiz on either the 'ati' drivers or on fglrx.
[03:31] <jimmygoon> oh
[03:31] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Heh.  Now removing it will work :)
[03:31] <DanaG> .... except for that sledgehammer-to-drive-a-nail blacklist.
[03:31] <peeps[work]> RAOF, nope, same error
[03:32] <Fraeon_> Dear lord
[03:33] <RAOF> peeps[work]: :(.  Please file a bug.  That shouldn't happen.
[03:33] <Fraeon_> Why would anyone want to use Xgl?
[03:33] <RAOF> Furthermore, it's not _my_ fault :)
[03:33] <RAOF> Fraeon_: To work around driver bugs, basically.
[03:33] <wastrel> my nvidia is being wonky in the current hardy
[03:34] <tanner> anyway to determine if your using xgl or aiglx
[03:37] <sammyF_> I guess I'll ask here :
[03:38] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ther is this bug, but it looks like a slightly different file name? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/36625
[03:38] <icanhas_> tanner: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xgl
[03:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:38] <icanhas_> tanner: if you don't have it, nothing will happen :)
[03:38] <sammyF_> in the rc.d dirs, the starting numbers state the order in which the scripts are started, right?
[03:39] <tanner> brb
[03:39] <tomd123> so since tomarrows the rc release, will there be tons of updates to already installed systems or if you've been up to date then there will be nothing new?
[03:39] <peeps[work]> RAOF, do you think that is the same issue?
[03:40] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hm.  Looks like similar, but I don't think it's the same.
[03:40] <wastrel> i hope there's an update that fixes my compiz :]
[03:40] <peeps[work]> it says there are two dupes on it, but I don't see how to look at those dupes
[03:40] <b1n0ry> where can i get the non-beta of 8.04?
[03:40] <IdleOne> tomd123: chances are there wont be many updates
[03:40] <icanhas_> wastrel: what's wrong with your compiz? dare i ask
[03:41] <IdleOne> b1n0ry: www.ubuntu.com on April 24th
[03:41] <woodwizzle> When I try to add tomboy to my panel I get panel encountered an error with "OAFIID:TomboyApplet"
[03:41] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's in one of the left-hand-side panes.  It's not immediately obvious.
[03:41] <wastrel> it is breaky
[03:41] <b1n0ry> IdleOne:  i meen tonight
[03:41] <b1n0ry> mean
[03:41] <wastrel> freeze, crash, video artifacts
[03:41] <wastrel> not necessarily in that order
[03:41] <b1n0ry> can't wait ;)
[03:41] <IdleOne> b1n0ry: cant download something that does not exist
[03:41] <b1n0ry> i'm impatient
[03:41] <wastrel> when it's working slow, and hangy
[03:41] <icanhas_> wastrel: what card/drivers?
[03:41] <tomd123> b1n0ry: install the rc then, it comes out tomarrow, and help test it while your at it, since you can't wait
[03:42] <DanaG> Any idea what to do about the broken keyboard?
[03:42]  * b1n0ry leaves a note for the inventor of time travel to travel to april 24 2008, download ubuntu 8.04 then deliver it to me tonight
[03:42] <wastrel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)
[03:42] <DanaG> Oh, host layout is "AltGr DeadKeys"
[03:42] <icanhas_> wastrel: i see.
[03:42] <wastrel> and the nvidia module
[03:42] <tomd123> b1n0ry: lol, somebodies had their caffeine pills today :P
[03:42] <b1n0ry> tomd123: yeah, i have 8.04 beta now, i just need a not-pre-release of xorg so that my ati driver installer can find the version
[03:43] <peeps[work]> RAOF, this one that is a dupe is actually my exact same error i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/144899
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144899 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] problem with nvidia-glx (dup-of: 36625)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:43] <b1n0ry> tomd123: i just had a large latte with a quad shot, does that count?
[03:43] <tomd123> b1n0ry: yes
[03:43] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: don't tell me you're using Envy
[03:43] <b1n0ry> envy?
[03:43] <icanhas_> good. nevermind then
[03:43] <b1n0ry> lol
[03:43] <peeps[work]> RAOF, i don't really know what to do about it, i don't want to enter another dupe
[03:43] <icanhas_> what "ati driver installer" are you having an issue with? I installed fine multiple ways in multiple stages of 8.04 beta
[03:44] <peeps[work]> RAOF, you think it was wrongfully marked as dupe?
[03:44] <b1n0ry> nah, i just tried to install the last version of ati drivers that support my video card. ati-driver-installer-8.28.8
[03:44] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: thats.. pretty old. what card?
[03:44] <HavNfun> What app would I use for doing a screen capture?
[03:44] <b1n0ry> mobility 9100
[03:44] <b1n0ry> it's the last version that ati released with 9100 support
[03:45] <tomd123> HavNfun: hit the prt sc button on your keyboard ;P
[03:45] <b1n0ry> all the new releases are 9500+
[03:45] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I don't think that's your problem, either - that's talking about *.xlibmesa, whereas yours is just about the unadorned libgl.
[03:45] <b1n0ry> which i inadvertantly installed
[03:45] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Any particular reason why the open-source 'ati' drivers aren't sufficient for you?
[03:46] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: i take it that's different than the 9100 IGP?
[03:46] <b1n0ry> RAOF: no xgl with this card, they detect it as a tungsten mesa card
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: No, that's the output you _want_.
[03:46] <b1n0ry> icanhas_ probably, knowing ati
[03:46] <b1n0ry> well, then why does every xgl call that i try to make result in a seg fault?
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: You really _should_ get OpenGL acceleration on that card.  Assuming you haven't installed fglrx, which breaks your 3d.
[03:46] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ugh, sorry, i pasted the wrong one.  the OTHER dupe, has a log with my exact error AFAICT https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/184212
[03:46] <HavNfun> tomd123: How about if I wanted screen-caputure of smaller app or window ope that would just caputure that window only?
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184212 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[nvidia] package nvidia-glx-new 169.07+2.6.24.4-4.11 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 (dup-of: 36625)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,Fix released]
[03:46] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Because you've installed fglrx :)
[03:47] <HavNfun> ope
[03:47] <b1n0ry> exactly, though when i enabled compiz before (and it did work) it did bizarre things with my display
[03:47] <HavNfun> open
[03:47] <tomd123> HavNfun: dunno, either edit the image w/ gimp or find a utility in the synaptic
[03:47] <HavNfun> Will go hunting - thx
[03:47] <RAOF> b1n0ry: So, the way to fix this would be to uninstall fglrx, which will unbreak your 3d.
[03:48] <wastrel> you can capture a window with gimp
[03:48] <wastrel> it has a screenshot function
[03:48] <RAOF> b1n0ry: For added bonus points, move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file somewhere else.
[03:48] <b1n0ry> let me explain "bizarre things"
[03:48] <HavNfun> wastrel: will give a try - thx
[03:48] <wastrel> file > acquire
[03:48] <RAOF> b1n0ry: The answer will still be 'uninstall fglrx', no matter what the symptom :)
[03:49] <HavNfun> ok - great.
[03:49] <RAOF> peeps[work]: So, do you have the supposedly fixed nvidia-glx-new package?  (what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new say?)
[03:49] <b1n0ry> my 16:9 display decided to go 4:3 starting at the top-left of the visible screen (pixel 0,0). the "uncovered" area behaved much like when you turn off clipping in half-life and go outside the map.
[03:49] <b1n0ry> RAOF: and that was -without- fglrx
[03:49] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Oh.  How big is this display?
[03:50] <b1n0ry> 1280x800
[03:50] <peeps[work]> RAOF, http://pastebin.ca/989093
[03:50] <b1n0ry> it went to like 1024x800 leaving the right side of the screen in a "void"
[03:50] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Hm.  So not > 2048 in either dimension ;)
[03:50] <woodwizzle> When I try to add tomboy to my panel I get panel encountered an error with "OAFIID:TomboyApplet"
[03:50] <b1n0ry> all white, left "remenants" when i dragged things over it
[03:50] <woodwizzle> i also try running tomboy so it'll show up in the system panel, but it never shows up
[03:51] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I'd reopen that bug, with your dpkg failure output, and adding that apt-cache output.
[03:51] <b1n0ry> it was bizarre, to say the least
[03:51] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Someone has probably mistakenly dropped that change.
[03:52] <RAOF> b1n0ry: Hm.  Sounds like a max-texture-size problem, but I thought your max was 2048.
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i'm just going to go with 7.1 until the release then do an upgrade
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i think i can install the ati proprietary drivers on 7.1
[03:52] <b1n0ry> 10
[03:52] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: good idea, but expect it to take 3 hours
[03:52] <b1n0ry> i've got 15Mbps connection
[03:52] <b1n0ry> does pretty good.
[03:52] <icanhas_> b1n0ry: it's the install, not the download
[03:52] <b1n0ry> ah, no big deal
[03:53] <b1n0ry> they recently updated cable in our area
[03:53] <b1n0ry> 15 Mbps residential cable is pretty cool
[03:54] <DanaG> What's the price?
[03:54] <tomd123> > 100mpbs on university connection is priceless ;P
[03:54] <b1n0ry> DanaG: it's $30/mo for the base 5-7Mbps then $10/mo extra to upgrade to 15Mbps
[03:54] <DanaG> 30 megabytes per second on GbE in Cal Poly computer science lab: drooooool.
[03:54] <icanhas_> psh, just root a 300mbps box. so much better :D
[03:55] <b1n0ry> that's coupled with our digital cable package though, i'm not sure what it would be on its own
[03:55] <peeps[work]> RAOF, never reopened a bug, I just set status back to "New"?
[03:55] <mehal88> I need some help setting up linux to connect to a wireless network
[03:55] <tomd123> icanhas_: the only time I will see a difference would probably be when dvds are involved :D
[03:55] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yeah, that'd be it.
[03:56] <peeps[work]> RAOF, hmm, this insterface is all wonky, can i not reopen and add attachment at the same time?
[03:56] <tomd123> mehal88: does the computer automatically detect the wireless adapter?
[03:56] <b1n0ry> brb, gonna go burn 7.10 to cd
[03:56] <mehal88> yes
[03:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: No, you can't :(
[03:56]  * peeps[work] contemplates entering another bug, heh
[03:56] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Well, actually you _can_, just not from that interface.  You could do it by sending an emal to the bug.
[03:56] <mehal88> i am able to connect to a wpa2 network, but i need to connect to a special network with 802.1x security
[03:57] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Just reopen it with a comment & then attach.
[03:57] <wastrel> something about nvidia being buggy?
[03:57] <RAOF> wastrel: Shocking, I know.
[03:58] <wastrel> i have nvidia
[03:58] <mehal88> tomd123: i read a how to for it, but its a bit dated so im not sure if its going to be the same for hardy.
[03:58] <tomd123> ok mehal88, click on the network icon in then taskbar, open up network settings, click on wireless connection, click the properties button, and set it up there
[03:58] <adinc> i"ve no hard drive icons or cdrom icons on my desktop, how can i have them created?
[04:00] <wastrel> adinc: you can set them visible.   gconf-editor  apps > nautilus > desktop
[04:00] <wastrel> also !icons
[04:00] <wastrel> er,
[04:00] <wastrel> !icons
[04:00] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (GNOME) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[04:00] <wastrel> heh
[04:00] <tomd123> mehal88: by network settings i meant manual configuration ;P
[04:00] <mehal88> hold on, my wireless is not showing up anymore
[04:00] <mehal88> i was using it earlier... should i restart?
[04:00] <sammyF_> nice .. now I have ALSA working, but not pulseaudio
[04:01] <mehal88> currently there are only two connection names, eth0 and lo
[04:01] <tomd123> mehal88: when in doubt, try restarting, can't hurt :P
[04:01] <adinc> wastrel: thank you very much
[04:02] <spyroboy> Does anyone else have issues installing the grub bootloader?
[04:03] <peeps[work]> RAOF, ok, done with that, so I just gotta wait for it to get fixed now?
[04:03] <b1n0ry> alright, time to install
[04:04] <sammyF_> what could be the cause of pulseaudio loading neither its alsa nor its oss module?
[04:04] <mehal88> yeah, im not sure why it just disappeared, i was using it about 5 hours ago. i am going to restart and hope it comes back
[04:05] <peeps[work]> i read about some effort a while ago to create a totally open hardware graphics card.  anyone know what happened to that, can't remember the that?
[04:05] <peeps[work]> *the name*
[04:05] <RAOF> peeps[work]: I think it was the opengpu, or some such.  I don't know what's happening there.
[04:06] <akniss> ETA for RC?
[04:06] <RAOF> +1
[04:06] <RAOF> akniss: When it's done ;)
[04:06] <DanaG> ﻿/me will switch from nvidia to ATI in the summer.
[04:06] <DanaG> After all, even if ATI is still currently crap, at least it's open-source crap now.
[04:07] <DanaG> And the closed ones are also gradually getting at least partly better.
[04:07] <akniss> RAOF: sounds about right....
[04:07] <shirish> hi guys, does anybody if the noveau drivers have been thought to be included for Intrepid Ibex or are they in this one?
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: Are they really open source?
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: I didn't think ATI's official drivers were.
[04:08] <RAOF> shirish: I hope they will be, but it depends on factors out of our direct control.
[04:08] <DanaG> They haven't opened the old drivers, but they have opened GPU specs.
[04:08] <DanaG> ﻿Look at phoronix for news of such happenings.
[04:08] <RAOF> mheath: fglrx isn't, but they've released specs and helped implement radeonhd.
[04:08] <mheath> DanaG: Yeah, as have NVidia. Their cards are technically fully documented.
[04:09] <DanaG> Do you own any radeonhd-driven cards?  Can you use radeonfb at the same time?
[04:09] <RAOF> mheath: The nouveau guys would _love_ to discuss that with you :)
[04:09] <shirish> noveau is some guys reverse-engineering what's happening.
[04:09] <DanaG> 'you' is anybody.
[04:09] <mheath> It's impossible for either vendor to release fully open-sourced drivers, too.
[04:10] <mheath> They rely on too many patented aglorithms and technologies
[04:10] <shirish> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/
[04:10] <DanaG> Yeah.  At least ATI tells you why, now, for specific parts.
[04:10] <RAOF> mheath: So they say.  But that doesn't matter, because they _can_ not deliberately obstruct the creation of free drivers.  And they can help free drivers along.
[04:10] <shirish> I think I saw some discussion on some mailing list yesterday, ubuntu mailing list but can't find where I had seen it.
[04:10] <DanaG> For example, the UVD thing can't be opened because it also drives DRM functionality for Windows.
[04:11] <RAOF> shirish: As I say, out of our hands.  It basically requires some new kernel interfaces which aren't yet stable.
[04:12] <RAOF> shirish: I *hope* it will replace nv, or at least be the defalt driver, in Intrepid, because it's so much better than nv.
[04:12] <shirish> ROAF: now I remember, it seems some part of it is going into 2.6.25.x
[04:12] <RAOF> shirish: That'd be mmio-trace ;)
[04:12] <shirish> that was what the discussion is about.
[04:12] <shirish> yup, that was what was being talked about mmio-trace
[04:13] <sammyF_> anyone have some knowledge of pulseaudio?
[04:13] <sammyF_> please?
[04:13] <shirish> RAOF: can you point me to some link where it gives more details about mmio-trace and how it may help us (the user as well as developer)
[04:13] <RAOF> shirish: Which is only related to nouveau in that one of the nouveau devs wrote it so that they could reverse-engineer the nvidia cards.
[04:13] <DanaG> !ask
[04:13] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[04:13] <sammyF_> DanaG: I did, nobody answered :P
[04:13] <RAOF> shirish: It doesn't help users at all.  It's strictly a reverse-engineering tool.
[04:14] <DanaG> !anybody
[04:14] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:14] <USN1520> sammyF: sorry can't help you there
[04:14] <RAOF> shirish: Ok, it could also be used for some seriously low-level debugging, too, I suppose.
[04:14] <sammyF_> DanaG: I can use OSS and Alsa, but Pulseaudio won't produce any sound. I *HAVE* to use OSS4 for output, and it worked in conjunction with pulseaudio without problems in 7.10.
[04:14] <shirish> RAOF: from what I understand people basically run some tools, and they are supposed to give some data back, this is where the developers hack and find how things can run better. Am I correct in assumption.
[04:15] <sammyF_> DanaG: sorry ... wasn't targeted at you .. forgot to delete your name
[04:15] <DanaG> Hmm, I think PulseAudio may not work with oss4.
[04:15] <DanaG> At least, it didn't get along when I tried it.
[04:15] <sammyF_> (and I already asked a bit over half an hour ago)
[04:15] <sammyF_> DanaG: well .. it worked in 7.10.
[04:15] <DanaG> I can't actually use oss4, because it just hard-locks on my PC.
[04:16] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:16] <RAOF> shirish: Yes, that's about it.
[04:16] <sammyF_> yep
[04:16] <sammyF_> and with a Creative X-Fi I don' have much choice
[04:16] <peeps[work]> what would be the best/simplest way to copy a home directory on one computer over to a new one
[04:16] <wastrel> peeps[work]: rsync <3
[04:17] <RAOF> peeps[work]: And remember: `*` does _not_ match .config directories :(
[04:17] <peeps[work]> then what does??
[04:17] <shirish> RAOF: now I remember, this is what I read http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Nouveau_Companion_38
[04:17] <RAOF> peeps[work]: So, the total command would be something like rsync -avz /home/username hostname:/where/it/wants/to/go
[04:18] <RAOF> peeps[work]: You just specify the directory as /home/username, rather than trying /home/username/*
[04:18] <peeps[work]> i already tried samba(doesn't allow access to .configs) and copying to/from DVD(makes everything readonly)
[04:18] <RAOF> rsync will do what you want.
[04:19] <RAOF> It'll preserve all sorts of fun stuff (permissions, access times, etc)
[04:21] <mehal88> i am not sure how to set up the connection from the manual connection settings
[04:22] <tomd123> does anyone know what time the rc is supposed to be released tomarrow? I might be able to get it in one of my classes
[04:24] <mehal88> rc is coming out tomorrow?
[04:24] <tomd123> tomarrow is friday, right?
[04:24] <jblack> yah
[04:25] <tomd123> isn't the rc going to be released on friday?
[04:26] <tomd123> or was I misinformed?
[04:26] <Flannel> tomd123: RC was delayed a day, should be released tomorrow, but thats not for sure.
[04:28] <iMatter> Im having trouble with my USB Device
[04:28] <iMatter> the old USB Cord was bad so i bought a new one
[04:28] <iMatter> but ubuntu still isnt seeing it but in the dmseg i see
[04:29] <iMatter> [ 1517.247813] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device u
[04:29] <iMatter> [ 1517.247813] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 56
[04:29] <Zambezi> Can anyone here do me a huge favour and port a packages from Gutsy to Hardy? Or other way I need to reinstall full system.
[04:29] <iMatter> with diffrent addresses
[04:29] <mehal88> okay, i think ive noticed something recently, but i just want to make sure of it. with hardy, do we no longer have to force mount ntfs drives that have been disconnected from windows machines?
[04:29] <Fritzel> can anyone see any reason why I would get "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Ubuntu804'." when I am following the instructions  here: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ except using hardy directions were followed to the letter except in step 9 where ubuntu710 was replaced with Ubuntu804
[04:29] <iMatter> im not trying to install Ubuntu on USB drive
[04:30] <icanhas_> mehal88: no, you still have to force mount.
[04:30] <conformer> does anyone elses emerald themes not work?
[04:31] <mehal88> oh okay. it just seems like its been working without it recently. so i thought that hardy was doing it natively
[04:31] <conformer> my emerald themes haven't been working for months. is anyone else having that problem?
[04:33] <conformer> i thought it was a hardy problem, but it still hasn't been fixed, and the release date is coming up fast
[04:33] <Fritzel> nevermind I got it mounted
[04:33] <icanhas_> mehal88: i doubt they would ever "force mount" what's more than likely a windows drive, that's asking for trouble lol
[04:33] <peeps[work]> RAOF, will rsync work the same if I do a "pull", instead of a "push" ?
[04:34] <peeps[work]> i mean, run the command from the desitnation computer
[04:34] <conformer> so everyone elses emerald themes are working?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Yes, it would.
[04:36] <peeps[work]> it will still compress properly and whatnot?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: It's symmetric.
[04:36] <lup0> conformer: does running emerald --replace fix them for you?
[04:36] <Fritzel> I'm about to reinstall, when I do that, what's the proper way to activite the nvidia drivers the first time? through jockey?
[04:36] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That depends on whether or not you've got rsync installed on the other end.
[04:36] <wastrel> what's jockey?
[04:37] <conformer> haven't tried it yet
[04:37] <conformer> ill do that now
[04:37] <mehal88> well im not referring to windows drives, i have external hard drives that used to have to be force mounted when i would switch from windows to ubuntu, but i dont seem to have to do that anymore
[04:37] <lup0> conformer: emerald crashes for me sometimes and running emerald --replace fixes them
[04:37] <mehal88> and its the same for flash driver
[04:37] <mehal88> drives
[04:37] <conformer> k sweet. i'll try it
[04:38] <RAOF> wastrel: jockey is the new, improved, less-ubuntu-specific restricted-manager.
[04:38] <conformer> awesome
[04:38] <Zambezi> wastrel: Prop drivers for like videocards.
[04:38] <conformer> it worked
[04:38] <peeps[work]> hmm, sending at 600KB/s, seems slow
[04:38] <conformer> thanks lup0
[04:38] <lup0> conformer: np
[04:38] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That's likely to be ssh.  SSH is often kinda slow :(
[04:38] <wastrel> do i have that on my hardy?
[04:39] <peeps[work]> RAOF, not using full CPU though
[04:39] <Zambezi> wastrel: Jockey? Most likely.
[04:39] <RAOF> peeps[work]: IIRC there's network issues which are the bottleneck, not necessarily CPU.
[04:39] <peeps[work]> it is over wireless however...
[04:39] <peeps[work]> but 600KB is a lot less than 54mB
[04:39] <peeps[work]> er, Mb
[04:40] <Zambezi> peeps[work]: Better to be safe or?
[04:42] <peeps[work]> I prob should have at least plugged in both laptops to the network before starting this though
[04:42] <RAOF> peeps[work]: That would have probably been faster, yes.
[04:43] <peepsalot> for some reason I thought the hard drive would be the bottleneck
[04:43] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Since that 54Mb of theoretical maximum is shared between the two systems :)
[04:43] <RAOF> peeps[work]: Hard drives are _fast_.
[04:44] <DanaG> I've used gigabit ethernet and gotten 30 megabytes per second from mirrors.kernel.org before.
[04:44] <RAOF> Even slow laptop hdds can do ~50Mbyte/sec sustained read, which is approximately 8 times faster than the theoretical maximum wireless 54Mbit/sec.
[04:44] <peepsalot> doh, at this rate it will take ~2.7hrs to transfer all 6GB
[04:45] <peepsalot> RAOF, yeah i think i forgot to account for the small b in 54Mb
[04:46] <RAOF> peepsalot: Plug in the laptops.  rsync will only transfer the stuff that hasn't yet been transferred :)
[04:46] <DanaG> That 30 I got was from mirrors.kernel.org, which is probably usually heavily loaded.
[04:46] <DanaG> And this was over the "Internet2" thingy.
[04:46] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, ok should I just ctrl-c it?
[04:46] <RAOF> peepsalot: Yup.
[04:47] <Finnish_> Any news on coming update?
[04:47]  * DanaG is running his CPU at -1.#J GHz.
[04:48] <DanaG> At least, that's what RMClock in VirtualBox says.  :P
[04:49] <peepsalot> RAOF, woot, 6.6MB/s now we're talkin!
[04:51] <peepsalot> lol DanaG
[04:53] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[04:54] <iMatter> Sorry internet problems back
[04:54] <iMatter> Ubuntu still doesnt see my USB drives
[04:54] <iMatter> it detects the USB 2.0 Highspeed thing
[04:54] <iMatter> and such
[04:55] <iMatter> could anyone help?
[04:56] <icanhas_> iMatter: they don't show up in /dev?
[04:56] <iMatter> i see usb something /dev
[04:56] <iMatter> second
[04:56] <Krzzzz> fun stuff
[04:56] <Krzzzz> hehe
[04:56] <icanhas_> iMatter: what, like /dev/usb0?
[04:57] <Krzzzz> what ubuntu are you on
[04:57] <Krzzzz> ?
[04:57] <icanhas_> iMatter: generally speaking, usb drives should be seen as sb*, i believe. it's possible it's just not mounting because of something. doesn't say anything about a mount in your dmesg?
[04:57] <iMatter> usbdev1.1_ep00 usbdev1.1_ep81 usbdev2.1_ep00 usbdev2.1_ep81 usbdev3.1_ep00 usbdev3.1_ep81
[04:57] <iMatter> also in dmseg
[04:58] <iMatter> [ 3020.345363] usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 102
[04:58] <iMatter> with diffrent address numbers
[04:58] <icanhas_> brb
[04:58] <Krzzzz> so imatter what ubuntu do you have
[04:58] <Krzzzz> ?
[04:58] <Krzzzz> 8.04
[04:58] <iMatter> Yea
[04:58] <Krzzzz> what kinda MOBO you have
[04:59] <Krzzzz> asus?
[04:59] <iMatter> Toshiba
[04:59] <Krzzzz> k
[04:59] <iMatter> at one point it worked...
[04:59] <Krzzzz> k
[04:59] <iMatter> but i tried booting OS off of it
[04:59] <iMatter> that killed to cord
[04:59] <iMatter> so i got a new one
[05:00] <iMatter> i see this also around the new usb thing audit(1208481393.105:7): avc:  denied  { write } for  pid=30258 comm="nautilus" name="fd" dev=proc ino=53310 scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t tclass=dir
[05:00] <Krzzzz> that kille to cord?
[05:00] <Bjbbop> what does it mean ubuntu+1
[05:00] <iMatter> i think booting an OS off of the USB HDD
[05:00] <gunashekar> !topic
[05:00] <iMatter> the cord wasnt strong enough :/
[05:00] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:00] <Krzzzz> k
[05:00] <Krzzzz> had you done any updates lately
[05:00] <Krzzzz> ?
[05:00] <iMatter> yea...
[05:00] <Krzzzz> cuz my 8.04 went nits
[05:00] <Krzzzz> nuts
[05:01] <Krzzzz> k
[05:01] <Krzzzz> what linux image are u on right now
[05:01] <Krzzzz> ?
[05:02] <iMatter> -15-generic
[05:02] <Krzzzz> k
[05:02] <Krzzzz> theres a 16-generic now
[05:02] <Krzzzz> that might solve ur issues
[05:02] <iMatter> :/ well it may be the kernal...
[05:03] <iMatter> because it was back in -12-generic that it was working
[05:03] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:03] <iMatter> i havent updated again because it says partial upgrade
[05:03] <Krzzzz> install both the kernel and header files for generic-16
[05:03] <iMatter> well i guess i will anyways
[05:03] <Krzzzz> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[05:03] <Krzzzz> and dbus restart
[05:04] <iMatter> it comes up as Distribution Upgrade??
[05:04] <Krzzzz> some times them updates might give issues like that
[05:04] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:04] <iMatter> :?
[05:04] <Krzzzz> open synaptics
[05:04] <iMatter> ;/
[05:04] <Krzzzz> search for linux-
[05:06] <Krzzzz> install Linux-headers-2.6.24.16-generic
[05:06] <Krzzzz> and the corresponidng linux image that goes with it
[05:06] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: No uppercase in names.
[05:06] <Krzzzz> oh right
[05:06] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:07] <Zambezi> That took awhile to get used to. Same with: file with space. ;-)
[05:07] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:07] <Krzzzz> hey zam
[05:08] <Krzzzz> i got a good interesting question
[05:08] <Zambezi> Yes?
[05:08] <Krzzzz> ever noticed the difference in speed
[05:08] <Krzzzz> in the root account? as opposed to the regular user account?
[05:08] <Krzzzz> app opening and stuff
[05:08] <Krzzzz> and internet speed
[05:08] <Zambezi> I never use root.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> u should check it out
[05:09] <Flannel> Krzzzz: You shouldn't really log in as root, let alone a GUI as root.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> just for admin purposes
[05:09] <axisys> !virtualbox
[05:09] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[05:09] <Flannel> Krzzzz: thats what sudo is for.
[05:09] <Krzzzz> the speed diff is ridiculous
[05:09] <mheath> Hmmm
[05:09] <Krzzzz> thats not the point im trying to put forth
[05:09] <mheath> I can't get open-office.org to find my java runtime environment
[05:10] <mheath> Is there a  reason it doesn't like the path /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre ?
[05:10] <Zambezi> Sorry to ask again, but can anyone here port a package or build form deb? I don't want to reinstall just for three days work.
[05:10] <r0bby> is anybody noticing that displayconfig-gtk isn't saving the resolution information (ie not using the max. resolution) when doing dual monitors
[05:10] <Krzzzz> the root account in GUi is way faster than the regular account
[05:10] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, You certainly shouldn't be using root with a browser
[05:11] <r0bby> root shouldn't be used period
[05:11] <Krzzzz> dude
[05:11] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: There's a reason it's inactivated by default.
[05:11] <Krzzzz> i got a good question
[05:11] <Flannel> Krzzzz: turn off the auxiliary stuff in your regular user account.
[05:11] <r0bby> sudo
[05:11] <Krzzzz> this is ubuntu+1 correct?
[05:11] <r0bby> yes.
[05:11] <Krzzzz> meaning developing and testing
[05:11] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, It's likely because the root account has a lighter weight theme
[05:11] <Krzzzz> so in the mean time u can expect breaks in the os
[05:12] <Krzzzz> i already know why the account is disabled
[05:12] <Krzzzz> if you do happen to experiment
[05:12] <Flannel> !enter | Krzzzz
[05:12] <Krzzzz> even with the themes being the same
[05:12] <ubotu> Krzzzz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:12] <iiMatter> still got connection issues
[05:12] <iiMatter> sorry
[05:13] <Krzzzz> sup matter
[05:13] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, I don't notice a difference, is there a specific application that you think demonstrates the difference well?
[05:13] <iiMatter> what did you say to install
[05:13] <Krzzzz> firefox for example
[05:13] <Krzzzz> ﻿install Linux-headers-2.6.24.16-generic
[05:13] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: Lover case. ;-)
[05:14] <Krzzzz> oh yeah
[05:14] <Krzzzz> hehe
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Do you use any plugins in firefox?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> gosh so much naggin in here
[05:14] <iiMatter> and linux-image-2.6.24.16-generic?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> i made sure they both have the same
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Including ubufox?
[05:14] <Krzzzz> in the root gui as opposed to the standard account
[05:14] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:14] <peepsalot> you guys used gnome-do?  i'm trying it out for the first time.  I think it's strange when it doesn't recognize something, the only option it gives is to send to pastebin
[05:15] <Krzzzz> takes 2 secs to open firefox as root
[05:15] <Krzzzz> regular account 5 secs
[05:15] <Krzzzz> or more
[05:15] <Krzzzz> and theres all sorts of delays with the regular account
[05:15] <Krzzzz> just doing regular stuff
[05:15] <iiMatter> Krzzzz: linux-image-2.6.25.16-generic too?
[05:15] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:15] <Flannel> Krzzzz: please stop using the enter key as a comma.
[05:16] <Krzzzz> along with the headers
[05:16] <Zambezi> Krzzzz: You know, you can write long sentence in the same message?
[05:16] <iiMatter> ok directly install kernal or not?
[05:16] <Krzzzz> yes
[05:17] <iiMatter> ok just checking was wondering if i just selected linux-image
[05:17] <iiMatter> package says it depends on latest generic one
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, Try renaming .mozilla in both accounts, it may be that the database is slowing things down
[05:17] <ToxicSoul> Hey so I'm running into an issue with the 64bit version of 8.04, I boot the install CD, choose install.. I get a console.. so okay, I run startx .. xorg is messed up.. I fix the xorg, run startx.. get the nice new desktop.. but I don't see any install method
[05:18] <iiMatter> Krzzzz: Thanks
[05:18] <HavNfun> Hay There - Put in a DVD movie and Totem came up but would not play movie - gave an error message - running Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 - Any ideas?
[05:18] <iiMatter> BBL if i have more problems
[05:18] <Jordan_U> ToxicSoul, Try "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start" instead of startx
[05:18] <Krzzzz> hey jordan
[05:19] <Krzzzz> that .mozilla weres that located exactly
[05:19] <Jordan_U> Krzzzz, In your home folder
[05:19] <Tuv0k> !dvd | HavNfun
[05:19] <ubotu> HavNfun: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:19] <HavNfun> Are there some codec's I need to add from synaptics?
[05:20] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, always search synaptic
[05:20] <Krzzzz> so ur saying change .mozilla to another name, it wont affect anything?
[05:20] <ToxicSoul> Jordan_U: thanks it worked, should of thought of that
[05:21] <Jordan_U> ToxicSoul, np
[05:21] <Tuv0k> !info libdvdcss2 hardy
[05:21] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss2 does not exist in hardy
[05:21] <Tuv0k> !info libdvdcss2
[05:22] <HavNfun> TuvOk: What would you suggest for search term?
[05:22] <Tuv0k> dvd?
[05:22] <HavNfun> Codecs?
[05:22] <Tuv0k> either
[05:22] <Tuv0k> totem
[05:22] <Tuv0k> mplayer
[05:22] <HavNfun> gee - being brain dead again - thx
[05:22] <Tuv0k> make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[05:23] <Tuv0k> mediabuntu has repos fro hardy as well
[05:23] <Tuv0k> you'll be all set then
[05:23] <HavNfun> TuvOk: Was not aware of this little tidbit - what a help......
[05:23] <Tuv0k> :)
[05:24] <Tuv0k> I love helping
[05:24] <Tuv0k> I want everyone to use linux, and be happy
[05:24] <HavNfun> TuvOK: Will do my share in a few months when up to speed - thx mucho
[05:25] <HavNfun> TuvOk: Well I'm lov'n this Hardy Heron - very nice! Lots of hardware support etc etc
[05:25] <HavNfun> :o)
[05:25] <ToxicSoul> So far Ubuntu 8.04 is running fine in domains setup in several different ways, this is fun =D
[05:25] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy
[05:25] <ubotu> ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:26] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, make sure you have that ^^^^^^
[05:27] <ToxicSoul> Anyone happen to know how big the hardy repository would be to mirror? I have gutsy (binary only) mirrored locally and it isn't too bad.
[05:27] <HavNfun> TuvOk: the universe and multiverse enabled?
[05:27] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, naturally, but specifically that package I highlighted above
[05:28] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy | HavNfun
[05:28] <ubotu> havnfun: ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:29] <HavNfun> TuvOk: the mplayer app? - I have that installed already - could run that and see if it works...
[05:29] <HavNfun> It defaulted to totem when putting in dvd movie
[05:29] <Tuv0k> do you not see the package I just highlighted to you?
[05:30] <Zambezi> I saw an interesting thing. My kernels takes up 950 MB. That's pretty much.
[05:30] <HavNfun> tuvOk: Sorry not sure - ?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> HavNfun, scroll up?
[05:30] <HavNfun> what is name?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> its on your screen?
[05:30] <HavNfun> pkg name?
[05:30] <Tuv0k> look up
[05:31] <HavNfun> I saw this "make sure you have that ^^^^^^" this what you are referring to?
[05:31]  * Tuv0k aye
[05:32] <gunashekar> he he
[05:32] <Tuv0k> your trying my patience
[05:32] <gunashekar> ROFLMAO
[05:32] <DanaG> my trying your patience?
[05:32] <DanaG> (I'm not that person, but I just had to respond to that grammar.)
[05:33] <DanaG> !botsnack
[05:33] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:33] <gunashekar> ah the original stiff uppa lip
[05:33] <HavNfun> So it doesn't show the pkg name it says " ...you have ^^^^^^"
[05:33] <Tuv0k> DanaG, my grammar was fine, are you dyslexic?
[05:33] <HavNfun> sorry - trying not too....
[05:33] <Tuv0k> :) I know
[05:33] <DanaG> "posessive" trying my patience
[05:34] <Tuv0k> I only spammed the channel with the package and you don't seem to be able to see it?
[05:34] <DanaG> not "you are"
[05:34] <DanaG> Sorry; that misuse of you* bugs me.
[05:34] <mc-george> wasn't rc supposed to be out today?
[05:34] <Tuv0k> DanaG, you are trying my patience, better?
[05:34] <HavNfun> So once again when I scroll up I Do Not se app or pkg name - it reads "^^^^^^" exactly as I typed
[05:35] <DanaG> yeah.  Now I go back to lurk mode.
[05:35] <Tuv0k> right above that line HavNfun
[05:35] <gunashekar> he is just HavNfun Tuv0k
[05:35] <ToxicSoul> Tuv0k: now you sound too formal.. use a contraction you're
[05:35] <Tuv0k> DanaG, thx
[05:35] <ToxicSoul> =p
[05:35] <DanaG> I was just amused at how it sounded when you flipped the direction on that sentence.
[05:35] <DanaG> ﻿your trying my patience
[05:35] <DanaG> ﻿my trying your patience
[05:35] <Tuv0k> ToxicSoul, I was going to, but did not want to get dinged for that either
[05:36] <HavNfun> Would this be it "!info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy" ? ?
[05:36] <gunashekar> DanaG: HE ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR CORRECTION
[05:36] <DanaG> I know that.
[05:36] <gunashekar> aha
[05:36] <Tuv0k> DanaG, I never using my trying your patience though
[05:36] <gunashekar> lol
[05:36] <gunashekar> DanaG: more work for you
[05:36] <DanaG> naah.
[05:36] <Tuv0k> I only borked the "you are, you're as your"
[05:37] <wastrel> youse guys
[05:37] <Tuv0k> lol
[05:37]  * Tuv0k aye!
[05:37] <DanaG> I was swapping subject and object, essentially.  It sounded funny.
[05:37]  * Tuv0k one to beam up!
[05:37] <peepsalot> youse guys is tryings mine patience
[05:37] <DanaG> nice.
[05:37] <gunashekar> hmm
[05:37] <Zambezi> Anyone feeling very happy, generous and unselfice now? I have big problems and I need a solution within an hour or I need to reinstall. I try to compile a sourcecode, but when I enter the path to the kernel, it's says it's not correct kernel, but I'm pretty sure it is.
[05:37] <peepsalot> soryy, patients
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras hardy | HavNfun
[05:38] <ubotu> havnfun: ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !patience Zambezi
[05:38] <Tuv0k> !patience
[05:38] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:38] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: did you not back up the old kernel?.. if not just copy off of the live cd
[05:39] <Zambezi> Tuv0k: Okay, but this issue is related to if I get 300 euros or not so I need a solution asap...
[05:39] <mc-george> Was the release candidate released, or is it delayed?
[05:39] <Tuv0k> there is no asap here bub
[05:39] <HavNfun> TuvOk: So I don't know about you but that about wore my eyes out... Grin sorry being so clutsy - thx
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, trying to compile an external module?
[05:39] <Zambezi> mc-george: One day I think.
[05:39] <DanaG> You just need linux-headers-generic package.
[05:39] <mc-george> ok thanks
[05:39] <Tuv0k> mc-george, the topic still says beta, thats a huge clue
[05:39] <mc-george> the topic could have been not updated...
[05:40] <Tuv0k> that does not happen here
[05:40] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: It just want to try with the kernel I'm running atm.
[05:40] <Zambezi> mc-george: Not a chance. :-)
[05:40] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: if you're kernel is 950M you should just start over.
[05:40] <ToxicSoul> Quickest way to do that would be to copy a working kernel back..
[05:41] <Tuv0k> can someone change the topic so people will stop asking about the rc?
[05:41] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I did say so. I said all my kernel takes 950 MB. ;-)
[05:41] <peepsalot> RAOF, btw, i don't think i ever thanked you for all your help.  so...THANKS
[05:41] <RAOF> peepsalot: Eh, no problem.  If you run across any issues with the nouveau drivers, you can repay the favour by reporting them in #nouveau or on freedesktop,org bugzilla :)
[05:42] <peepsalot> rsync is really awesome, can't believe i went so long without it
[05:42] <Zambezi> DanaG: External yes. I got it built for Hardy, but the guy misread and took the wrong version. :-/
[05:43] <Zambezi> peepsalot: Are you using P to with rsync?
[05:43] <DanaG> What's the issue with compiling?
[05:44] <peepsalot> Zambezi, no, didn't try that
[05:44] <peepsalot> it shows a progress bar or something?
[05:44] <Zambezi> DanaG: Saying it's not the right kernel, then quit. I really don't want to be without IRC, Jabber, MSN for three days (if I reinstall).
[05:45] <Zambezi> peepsalot: Correct.
[05:45] <DanaG> Hmm.  Perhaps it's using the wrong path.
[05:45]  * peepsalot can read manuals!  hehe
[05:45] <ToxicSoul> Why would it take 3 days to reinstall?
[05:45] <DanaG> Some external modules have "KSRC" parameters.  Perhaps look in the Makefile.
[05:45] <Zambezi> DanaG: I tried with more than one, but still same issue.
[05:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:46] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: It won't, but I have all the settings on this harddrive and when I disconnect it, I don't have the accountinformation to log in.
[05:47] <ToxicSoul> boot from a live cd and copy the information off?
[05:47] <DanaG> Hmm, what module are you trying to compile?
[05:47] <Zambezi> DanaG: I'm complinging with a script that comes with the program. It's Truecrypt 4.3a (_ not _ 5.1a).
[05:48] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Can't cause I need to disconnect the DVD too.
[05:48] <DanaG> Aah.  Perhaps dig around in the script to see what it checks for.
[05:48] <ToxicSoul> are you trying to encrypt an entire drive?
[05:48] <Tuv0k> !info  ttf-liberation
[05:48] <ubotu> ttf-liberation (source: liberation-fonts): Free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial and Courier. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1129 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[05:48] <iMatter> Still problems...
[05:48] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have 70 minutes before I need to start. I don't have a minute to spare...
[05:48] <ToxicSoul> !info truecrypt hardy
[05:48] <ubotu> Package truecrypt does not exist in hardy
[05:49] <ToxicSoul> really now.. hmm
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm.
[05:49] <ToxicSoul> !info truecrypt
[05:49] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Nah. More like decrypt eight and backup all the content.
[05:49] <DanaG> It may be looking for a deprecated file in the headers tree.
[05:50] <iMatter> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[05:50] <iMatter> usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[05:50] <iMatter> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[05:50] <DanaG> !paste
[05:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:50] <iMatter> DanaG: 3 Lines ;)
[05:50] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have no clue, that's why I asked if someone could give it a shot cause the last thing I want is to reinstall. I have a really short limit.
[05:50] <Fritzel> ok how's this for wierd
[05:51] <Fritzel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63611/
[05:51] <DanaG> Hmm, try to 'bash -x' the script.
[05:51] <ToxicSoul> I don't get why you need a module for truecrypt..
[05:51] <Zambezi> iMatter: We're allergic here. First sign of massflood and we're on! ;-)
[05:51] <DanaG> That'll print every line it executes.
[05:51] <iMatter> :P
[05:51] <iMatter> Well im having problems with my WD Passport
[05:51] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: Maybe cause eight harddrives is encrypted with it and I want to backup the content before I sell them on Monday? :-P
[05:51] <DanaG> Hopefully you'll be able to see it look for a specific file.
[05:52] <DanaG> Do you have the space elsewhere to dd them raw?
[05:52] <ToxicSoul> Yeah but I've never needed a kernel module for it =\
[05:52] <Bjbbop_> pelo  :()
[05:52] <Bjbbop_> man now i cannot even comeback to my other workplace
[05:52] <iMatter> Ubuntu Doesnt see it....
[05:53] <iMatter> well it doesnt mount the drives
[05:53] <arbeck77> I'm having a weird problem... where occasionally as I type one key gets repeated 7-8x.  I'm not sure if this is a hardy problem, or some weird hardware issue.  It just started happening after the install
[05:53] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And it takes at least 50 hours to make the backup. And I don't want do use 5.1a cause it's buggy, slow and causes kernelpanics.
[05:53] <DanaG> Zambezi: try to make oldconfig in the headers dir.
[05:53] <DanaG> (It's a random guess.)
[05:54] <Zambezi> DanaG: But it's asking about the specific kernel from uname -r.
[05:54] <DanaG> Well, without having the script itself, I don't know how to help.
[05:54] <Fritzel> Does anyone have any idea what could cause this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63611/
[05:55] <DanaG> The thing I'd do would be to run the script with bash -x, and see what it does right before giving up.
[05:55] <RAOF> Zambezi: And you _do_ have the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed?
[05:55] <Zambezi> DanaG: www.truecrypt.org -> Download -> Old releases.
[05:55] <Lynoure> Zambezi: Do you really need to decrypt before backuping?
[05:55] <mc-george> Hello, every time I reboot, the wireless goes away, and only comes back if I unplug it, plug it back in, and reboot, this is with a trendnet tew-444ub wifi card
[05:55] <DanaG> What version of truecrypt?
[05:55] <Zambezi> RAOF: I guess so cause I have Vbox.
[05:56] <ToxicSoul> Zambezi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149561 - just follow something like that
[05:56] <Zambezi> Lynoure: Oh yes I do.
[05:56] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need 4.3a.
[05:56] <ToxicSoul> then.. do the same but for 4.3a
[05:56] <RAOF> Zambezi: But we have pre-built kernel modules for vbox.  _Do_ you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[05:57] <watters> is rc out yet?
[05:57] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: But it's not working.
[05:57] <Lynoure> Zambezi: Oh, you have the data somewhere so you can rsync backup it faster unencrypted? (sorry, just being curious about why the order matters)
[05:57] <ToxicSoul> whats your uname -a?
[05:57] <Zambezi> RAOF: I think I grabbed it all.
[05:58] <Zambezi> Linux USER 2.6.24-16-386 #1 Thu Apr 10 12:50:06 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:58] <RAOF> Zambezi: You're almost certainly running the wrong kernel, you know.
[05:59] <ToxicSoul> yeah..
[05:59] <DanaG> 386?
[05:59] <Zambezi> I do?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Lynoure, Not sure if this is his reason, but by information theory a good encryption should produce, on average, a poorly compressible file :)
[06:00] <DanaG> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[06:00] <RAOF> DanaG, Zambezi; Yeah.  -generic is what you want, almost certainly.
[06:00] <Zambezi> Lynoure: I have the drives befind me.
[06:00] <mc-george> Hello, every time I reboot, the wireless goes away, and only comes back if I unplug it, plug it back in, and reboot, this is with a trendnet tew-444ub wifi card
[06:00] <Lynoure> Jordan_U: Yes, there is that.
[06:00] <ToxicSoul> Its more so if he encrypted the entire volume then (which it seems he did) then he'd have to dd the entire volume which would include "white-space" that couldn't be compressed because white-space encrypted looks like random data
[06:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Heh, good catch.  He doesn't have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed :)
[06:01] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I do, and I'm getting that error there.
[06:01] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, really?  Maybe it just doesn't build against the current kernel.
[06:01] <Lynoure> Zambezi: I'm not sure what befind is, but I gues you have your reasons. Good luck with the compile.
[06:01] <DanaG> !find dm.h
[06:01] <ubotu> Found: kdmtheme
[06:01] <ToxicSoul> hmm let me see what it built against for me
[06:02] <DanaG> !find /drivers/md/dm.h
[06:02] <ubotu> No packages matching '/drivers/md/dm.h' could be found
[06:02] <ToxicSoul> Linux labstaff-pc1 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:02] <r00723r0> Hi, why doesn't flash work?
[06:02] <DanaG> !find drivers/md/dm.h
[06:02] <ubotu> No packages matching 'drivers/md/dm.h' could be found
[06:02] <DanaG> Okay, that's odd.
[06:02] <DanaG> That version must be incompatible with -24.
[06:02] <DanaG> !find drivers/md/dm.h gutsy
[06:02] <Zambezi> RAOF: Generetic is installed, but maybe grub choosed wrong during boot.
[06:03] <DanaG> Sounds like you may just have to use the newer version.
[06:03] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: All drives is enirely encrypted.
[06:04] <ToxicSoul> Yeah so my point stands dd'ing them isn't really possible =p
[06:04] <Zambezi> DanaG: The problem is I need to fix this quick.
[06:04] <DanaG> Do you have the Gutsy kernel still around?
[06:04] <Zambezi> DanaG: And you know, quick is not a good thing when you need to solve issues.
[06:04] <Jordan_U> Zambezi, What is the problem you are having?
[06:04] <DanaG> Or if you can install it... download the gusty binary.
[06:05] <Zambezi> DanaG: I got them all.
[06:05] <DanaG> And boot the Gutsy kernel.
[06:05]  * ToxicSoul seems to recall there being a message about not using the beta in production environments
[06:05] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: I can't install a stupid program I need about 50 minutes or I need to install Gutsy for three days work and be without IRC, MSN, Jabber.
[06:05] <Fritzel> when running a binary file, is it passed to any program to launch it? I have a .bin that insists it's not going to execute
[06:06] <Fritzel> nevermidn it started working after installing development files
[06:06] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I didn't, but my main server broke and I don't have an old computer with SATA. Just this one.
[06:06] <ToxicSoul> wow you're just full of bad luck, lol
[06:07] <r00723r0> So anyone know why Flash doesn't work?
[06:07] <ToxicSoul> flash doesn't work?
[06:07] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And I have a deadline too. :-P
[06:07] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: link me to a site with flash =p
[06:07] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: And that's the criticial part.
[06:08] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, youtube.com
[06:08] <r00723r0> Click on a random featured video.
[06:08] <Zambezi> r00723r0: You got flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:08] <DanaG> Zambezi: Use the Gutsy kernel and the Gusty truecrypt binary on Hardy!
[06:08] <r00723r0> Yes.
[06:09] <Zambezi> DanaG: That sounds way harder then reinstall (on another harddrive).
[06:09] <ToxicSoul> appearently where I'm downloading from is getting hit big time so it'll take a minute or 5.. *sigh*
[06:10] <DanaG> Zambezi: it's actually not that hard, especially if you have the kernel already around.
[06:10] <DanaG> Quicker way:
[06:11] <r00723r0> Zambezi, ToxicSoul, any ideas?
[06:11] <Zambezi> DanaG: Oh. I remember I upgraded from Gutsy so I may have the kernel.
[06:11] <DanaG> s/quicker/another/    back up sources.list, change it to Gusty, install ONLY the kernel, restore it.
[06:11] <Fritzel> what can cause my speakers to crackle at normal volume, making the assumption that my speakers and sound card are fine?
[06:11] <ToxicSoul> :%s/quicker/another/gc <- fixed.
[06:11] <Zambezi> Fritzel: Too high mastervolume?
[06:11] <prakriti> to update packages that are being held back
[06:11] <Jordan_U> Fritzel, Check all of the channels in alsamixer
[06:11] <prakriti> shoudl i do a full-upgrade ?
[06:12] <Zambezi> prakriti: Not if you're unsure.
[06:12] <Fritzel> nothing is showing up as over 81%
[06:13] <DanaG> Zambezi: perhaps look at the package manager to see the kernels.
[06:13] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: not yet, I'm getting the packages at a nice 80KB/s .. *sigh*
[06:13] <r00723r0> Excellent.
[06:13] <DanaG> And then if it's there, go off and reboot to it!
[06:13] <DanaG> And then install the Gusty truecrypt binaries from the web site.
[06:14] <r00723r0> Everyone, talk less so ToxicSoul could get more usable bandwidth. :)
[06:14] <prakriti> can I read mp3's off of usbdrives?
[06:14] <Zambezi> DanaG: I have an old Gutsy installation probably got a kernel left.
[06:14] <r00723r0> prakriti, yse.
[06:14] <r00723r0> *yes.
[06:14] <prakriti> hahaha
[06:14] <prakriti> sorry
[06:14] <prakriti> wrong channel
[06:14] <prakriti> thought i was on #ps3
[06:14] <r00723r0> Heh.
[06:14] <mehal88> you can
[06:14] <Tuv0k> http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html
[06:14] <ToxicSoul> haha talking won't effect the bandwidth, I'm installing on a remote system.. which is on a network that can pull down 10MByte/s easy
[06:14] <mehal88> prakriti: you can
[06:15] <Jordan_U> DanaG, So his problem is that truecrypt is not working since he installed hardy?
[06:15] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, nah, I'm just playing.
[06:15] <mehal88> you have to hover over the usb drive and then press triangle
[06:15] <DanaG> The old version of TrueCrypt won't compile on the Hardy kernel.
[06:15] <ToxicSoul> however if people want to stop running apt-get upgrade that'd be nice
[06:15] <ToxicSoul> lol
[06:15] <mehal88> and view all or something along those lines
[06:15] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: Correct and I need it working about 40 minutes.
[06:16] <DanaG> So go check your kernel and restricted-module and such lists.
[06:17] <Zambezi> DanaG: Everything is installed, but I need to reboot to genertic, but USB-keyboard won't work so I need to hook up and old one.
[06:17] <DanaG> Reboot to Gutsy generic.
[06:17] <DanaG> Remember that.
[06:17] <DanaG> 2.6.22
[06:17] <Jordan_U> Zambezi, Have you seen this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=647339 ?
[06:17] <ToxicSoul> no usb->ps2 converter?
[06:18] <Zambezi> DanaG: The one that came with Gutsy installation?
[06:18] <Zambezi> ToxicSoul: I have an old PS/2 too.
[06:18] <DanaG> That should work.
[06:18] <Zambezi> Jordan_U: It's too old.
[06:19] <Zambezi> I have 5.1a built for Hardy, but 5.1a really is a piece of crap.
[06:19] <Zambezi> I'm waiting 40 minutes, pick up my drives, then decide what to do.
[06:20] <DanaG> Try getting truecrypt loading, first.
[06:20] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, so, how's it going?
[06:20] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: just reloaded firefox, waiting on stuff to load
[06:20] <r00723r0> Roger, soldier.
[06:21] <ToxicSoul> yep flash works fine for me =\
[06:21] <r00723r0> :'(
[06:21] <r00723r0> No solution then?
[06:21] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need to send an important mail about an hour before I take any risks.
[06:21] <r00723r0> Any information I can provide?
[06:21] <DanaG> Just booting the old kernel isn't too risky.
[06:21] <ToxicSoul> sure you got the restricted flash and not gnash?
[06:22] <pen> is there a way to set up tor network?
[06:22] <ToxicSoul> and have you completely killed firefox inbetween?
[06:22] <Zambezi> DanaG: Never done that, but if you say so.
[06:24] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, yes.
[06:24] <Zambezi> Okay. Time to reboot. I'll be back about ten minutes or so.
[06:24] <ToxicSoul> pen: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR <- should be similar to that, afiak
[06:24] <ToxicSoul> afaik*
[06:24] <pen> ToxicSoul: isn't old?
[06:24] <pen> ToxicSoul: it's not for hardy is it?
[06:25] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, I had restricted for a while.
[06:25] <r00723r0> So yes.
[06:25] <r00723r0> It has gone through many reboots.
[06:26] <ToxicSoul> pen: repository links are old but in theory the same 'method' should work if they have a new repository
[06:26] <pen> ToxicSoul: I see
[06:26] <ToxicSoul> r00723r0: not sure then, are you running 32 or 64 bit (I've only tested on 64.. but 64 was what had problems in the past.. not 32 =p)
[06:26] <r00723r0> 64bit.
[06:27] <DanaG> !info torify
[06:27] <ToxicSoul> hmm I haven't updated the box from the base install, something else could of broke it maybe, otherwise I'm not sure
[06:27] <ubotu> Package torify does not exist in hardy
[06:27] <DanaG> wraps ANY app to go through it.
[06:29] <r00723r0> ToxicSoul, so... Any suggestions?
[06:29] <ToxicSoul> not unless someone else here has an updated 64bit install to verify whether something else broke it or not
[06:30] <ToxicSoul> wait.. do you also have gnash installed?
[06:30] <ToxicSoul> or did you
[06:30] <r00723r0> No.
[06:31] <ToxicSoul> hm, damn because in the past I've ran into issues with gnash not being removed right and thus the restricted flash not working =(
[06:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[06:33] <moshe> anyone encountered a systen lockup from the screensaver?
[06:33] <DanaG> Fix released?  Not really.
[06:34] <Lynoure> moshe: yes, but ages a go. It was because of a 3D screensaver on a totally non-3D friendly system
[06:35] <ToxicSoul> anyone know off of the top of their head how to choose fastest mirror from terminal?
[06:35] <moshe> this just occured twice today with 8.04. there were no errors recorded but had to repower the system to resatore
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ToxicSoul, i choose the highly scientific "eenie-meenie-miney-mo" method, personally.
[06:37] <Zambezi> Okay. No Gutsy-kernel left, but I have sound again. When I try to install 4.3a, it says kernel is incomplete.
[06:38] <DanaG> Hmm.  You can download the debs for the Gutsy kernel.
[06:38] <Zambezi> It also says I'm missing dm.h, but it's there.
[06:38] <DanaG> run with sh -x?
[06:38] <moshe> I was using the 3D screensaver set installed with hardy.compiz is installed and configured.Not sure if this is a reportable bug or just a freak thing
[06:38] <slaytanic> Are there any newer ISOs of hardy to download than the beta?
[06:39] <DanaG> Zambezi: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/
[06:39] <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l
[06:39] <DanaG> Look for linux- stuff.
[06:40] <DanaG> Wow, that site is usually way fast.  Odd.
[06:40] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/
[06:40] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[06:41] <DanaG> Kernel stuff is near the bottom.
[06:41] <Zambezi> It's painfully slow and you know my issue. Time is very short an limited now in this matter. I think I install Gutsy instead temporary.
[06:41] <bullgard4> "~$ update-manager; current dist not found in meta-release file." What is a 'meta-release file'?
[06:41] <DanaG> Duude, all you need is the kernel.
[06:42] <DanaG> linux-image linux-headers linux-restricted-modules linux-ubuntu-modules
[06:42] <DanaG> each has a .22 and a .22-X-generic
[06:42] <Zambezi> DanaG: Which version did you say?
[06:42] <DanaG> 2.6.22- and whatever's the latest after the dash.
[06:43] <DanaG> Or if you want the dependencies to be handled automatically, back up sources.list, change it back to gutsy, then use aptitude to update the list and then install ONLY the kernel.
[06:43] <DanaG> Then change it back and update the list again.
[06:43]  * ToxicSoul is timing how long it takes to update a new 8.04 64 bit install
[06:44] <Zambezi> DanaG: Can we take it in PM instead so we won't spam the channel?
[06:45] <DanaG> sure.
[06:45] <DanaG> Lovely quit message.  :(
[06:45] <moshe> well,I will go ahead and file a bug report.Just wanted to throw this one out to the community first
[06:46] <moshe> sounds like he needs to get a life
[06:47] <ToxicSoul> yeah no clue on that.. moshe although I have had my system lock up twice now.. but im running ubuntu in domains so.. if a screen saver is effecting the entire system stability there are definately some issues with it
[06:47] <Zambezi> DanaG: I need to identify first.
[06:48] <DanaG> aah.
[06:48] <moshe> that was my thought.I am using this test platform as a small server and was surprised to encounter this one.Was in the middle of a large iso d/l when it crashed
[06:49] <ToxicSoul> hmm.. I was in the middle of downloading the 64 bit ubuntu iso when it crashed for me =\
[06:49] <moshe> I was 3 hours into solaris d/l for another test platform
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> started a domain.. left it running.. started downloading the iso on the dom0.. came back.. system wouldnt respond entirely
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> 3 hours? =\
[06:50] <prakriti>  arg
[06:50] <ToxicSoul> indiana b2? or.. (just curious)
[06:50] <moshe> 4.3 Gb d/l  bittorrent is a bit slow
[06:50]  * ToxicSoul is running ubuntu inside solaris after all
[06:50] <moshe> yep
[06:51] <ToxicSoul> I had the first beta but there was so many bugs that I had to give up on using it
[06:52] <moshe> I restarted the d/l and have a ways to go but wanted to try to troubleshoot this glitch while I was waiting
[06:53] <moshe> I have the solaris express dev. ed but wanted to get the rest of the pkgs
[06:54] <moshe> wb peeps
[06:55] <moshe> well folks,gotta go but thanks for the info.
[06:56] <ToxicSoul> cya
[07:08] <Zambezi> DanaG: Thanks. TC 4.3a installed without complaints. Now the real test starts within an hour. To actually mount a TC-partion. I get back with the resualt.
[07:09] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:09] <DanaG> I usually keep around one old major-version kernel when dist-upgrading.
[07:16] <twb> flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse!  Is there some replacement that is in restricted (or main)?
[07:17] <Flannel> twb: gnash
[07:17] <twb> Apparently the users "need" evil non-Free flash
[07:18] <Flannel> but don't want it if its in multiverse?
[07:18] <twb> I see now that flashplugin-nonfree has *always* been in multiverse
[07:18] <Flannel> Of course, it can't really be supported, because all the package does is grab the file from macrodobe
[07:18] <twb> I thought before that it had moved there in Hardy because Ubuntu had endorsed something else
[07:18] <twb> Flannel: well, you can make the same argument about Firefox and binary blobs in main
[07:19] <twb> But never mind, no point in getting into an argument.
[07:22] <bullgard4> "~$ update-manager; current dist not found in meta-release file." What is a 'meta-release file'?
[07:23] <twb> Is anyone interested in xserver-xorg pci IDs (for autodetecting currently undetected intel cards)?
[07:24] <twb> Hmm, it might be because the driver package isn't installed on the CD
[07:25] <twb> Nope, it's installed.
[07:25] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[07:26] <twb> ...even weirder; the second reboot it auto-detected intel-ness
[07:27] <LSD|Ninja> Is Hardy using the webkit backend for gtk-html?
[07:29] <HorizonXP> !hardy
[07:29] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[07:29] <LSD|Ninja> Isn't *this* #ubuntu+1 o_O
[07:32] <twb> LSD|Ninja: can't you tell by looking at the Depends line?
[07:33] <Snark_> Hey, guys! In Hardy release I found they goin to use kernel 2.6.24 . However, latest one is 2.6.25 and the one before it is 2.4.36.2. Do you have any idea what this mean?
[07:33] <LSD|Ninja> twb: I'm not actually running 8.04, I'm just curious
[07:33] <twb> LSD|Ninja: packages.ubuntu.com/gtk-html
[07:34] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: latest one from where?
[07:34] <twb> hwtest-gtk takes a loooong time to fail if I provide a dummy email address
[07:34] <Snark_> <LSD|Ninja: from kernel.org ^_^
[07:35] <LSD|Ninja> I figured
[07:35] <twb> (Furthermore, requiring users to validate a *MAIL* address via HTTP is Fucking Stupid.)
[07:35] <jussi01> !ohmy
[07:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:35] <Jordan_U> twb, Dummy as in notreal@fake.net or dummy as in "hello world" ?
[07:35] <bullgard4> Snark_: This means that Hardy i meant to be a long-term distribution.
[07:35] <bullgard4> is
[07:36] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: moving to 2.6.25 would require a new round of testing with Hardy being this close to release that would be stupid
[07:36] <twb> I used "fuckoff@example.com"
[07:36] <twb> It immediately (locally) rejected simply "fuckoff".
[07:37] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: More than likely the CD will install 2.6.24 and then later, when it's ready, 2.6.25 will be offered as an update
[07:37] <twb> (Sorry about the continued swearing, but that is the exact strings I tested.)
[07:37] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: so, do you assume that 2.6.25 would be available later as an update or we would have to build it ourselves?
[07:38] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: gotcha ) thanx
[07:38] <twb> Also, I'd like to point out that the "days to release" image on the front ubuntu.com page is not accessible to disabled users, because it encodes text inside an image and does not even include the string in the alternate text attribute.
[07:38] <bullgard4> In Tracker I am searching for documents containing the search word 'tracker'. Why does Tracker output documents which contain the words 'track' or 'tracks'?
[07:38] <LSD|Ninja> Being an LTS release I'd imagine it wouldn't be offered through a mainline channel but chances are good it'll be offered at an update at some point
[07:38] <Jordan_U> twb, You can file a bug report
[07:39] <MrMist> hey :)
[07:39] <MrMist> Hmm... alltray doesn't seem to work anymore...
[07:39] <x1250> bullgard4, I guess only tracker devs should know that. Anyway, IMO tracker sucks
[07:39] <MrMist> I want thunderbird to be in the tray....
[07:39] <Snark_> LSD|Ninja: I wonder if .25 advantages worth it to build it before official invitation..
[07:39] <Hobbsee> twb: file bugs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[07:39] <LSD|Ninja> MrMist: you need an add-on for that iirc
[07:39] <bullgard4> x1250: "to suck" is no exact description.
[07:40] <twb> I know how to file bugs in launchpad
[07:40] <LSD|Ninja> Snark_: If you have to ask that then probably not
[07:40] <x1250> its not a description, is my opinion
[07:40] <MrMist> LSD|Ninja: you know which addon ?
[07:40] <Jordan_U> bullgard4, It's probably just trying to be "smart" and present you with all 'relevant' results
[07:40] <twb> I don't, because I feel very strongly about 16:35 <twb> (Furthermore, requiring users to validate a *MAIL* address via HTTP is ****ing Stupid.)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: it would be unlikely to update the kernal at this point - pre or post release.
[07:41] <LSD|Ninja> MrMist: not off-hand but if you search around the tbird addon page you're likely to find one
[07:41] <Hobbsee> twb: fine, then don't.
[07:41] <twb> Now that DoJ is forcing me to use Ubuntu, I may have to take a less hard line
[07:41] <twb> :-(
[07:41] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Yes, that could be an explanation. But somehow this smart-ness should be defined.
[07:41] <twb> Hobbsee: that attitude does amaze me.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> twb: you attempting to take your anger out on the ubuntu website here, among people who don't code it, also does.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> ditto the fact that they require the mail validation.
[07:42] <LSD|Ninja> Hobbsee: I've been presented with kernel updates from the update manager before but I'd imagine things would be different with an LTS release
[07:42] <twb> Hobbsee: who *does*, if not ubuntu?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> LSD|Ninja: security updates, yes.  Did dapper ever get a kernel update?
[07:42] <Jordan_U> bullgard1, Yeah, "magic" can be nice some times but I usually prefer determinism, or at least the option of determinism, have you tried putting the term in quotes?
[07:42] <Hobbsee> twb: these are users, not canonical employees who code the website.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> twb: and a few devs
[07:43] <twb> Nevertheless, your (#ubuntu and related channels) seems to be "we don't care that users have to jump through hoops to help us."
[07:43] <gregory> twb: Department of Justice is using Ubuntu?
[07:44] <twb> gregory: the Australian DoJ
[07:44] <gregory> twb: interesting thanks
[07:44] <twb> They aren't very bright.
[07:44] <twb> I mean, in general.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> twb: look.  People here don't code the website, or do stuff like that.  They have no actual influence to change things, apart from reporting a bug, as you do.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> SO it's not a "we don't care" it's a "we don't have the power to fix it".
[07:44] <Hobbsee> there is a difference.
[07:45] <LSD|Ninja> the packages site doesn't mention anything that's obviously webkit related for any of the gtkhtml related packages I've looked at so far. It doesn't mention anything obviously gecko related either...
[07:45] <twb> Hobbsee: is that because Ubuntu is controlled by a single company, and thus users are powerless to effect changes?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> twb: ubuntu is different from the ubuntu website.  Then again, if you want to help out with the ubuntu website, they'd probably be quite happy.
[07:45] <x1250> twb: this is a user channel, if you want to talk to developers, join the mailing list
[07:45] <twb> LSD|Ninja: hmm, lemme look.
[07:46] <x1250> ubuntu is opensource, you know, anyone can change it
[07:46] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: I have now put the catchword tracker in double-quotes. There is no change in Tracker's (wrong) output.
[07:46] <twb> x1250: no, anyone can *fork* it
[07:46] <Hobbsee> x1250: it's not even a developer thing - it's a web design thing.  And that all requires a mail validation, which twb objects to.
[07:47] <MrMist> LSD|Ninja: Well... the ONE plugin I found, didn't work in gnome
[07:47] <x1250> sorry I didn't read from the beginning
[07:47] <Hobbsee> x1250: no problem
[07:47] <twb> x1250: I'm asking if it's possible for an Ubuntu Developer to call for a vote to e.g. switch to a different BTS
[07:47] <x1250> ask on the mailing list
[07:47] <twb> Fair enough, I suppose.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> twb: fairly safe to say that won't happen, though
[07:47] <ompaul> go to UDS and see what you can influence and stick up specs and run with it
[07:47] <ompaul> twb, ^^
[07:49] <twb> I guess I'm annoyed because, coming from Debian, it feels like Ubuntu is culturally helping non-Developer users at the expense of Developers.  It's the "at the expense" part that I don't like.
[07:49] <twb> *culturally geared towards
[07:49] <LSD|Ninja> So? If you're a developer, use Debian. Simple.
[07:49] <Hobbsee> how does that relate to validating a mail?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> also, can you put in a patch to change a debian website page?
[07:49] <twb> Hobbsee: validating mail via a graphical browser means that it's too hard to report bugs
[07:49] <Hobbsee> can you get access to do that?
[07:49] <MrMist> Ok... So I've gotten thunderbird to work with alltray, however, when i "Close" the app, the app actually close instead of just hiding the window... any idea how to fix this ?
[07:49] <twb> The barrier to bug reporting is too high
[07:50] <Hobbsee> on the contrary.  from the quality of some of the bugs, it's far too *low*
[07:50] <LSD|Ninja> MrMist: it's not in the options for the addon?
[07:50] <ompaul> Hobbsee, there is a twisted path that goes over a bridge that crosses a river and under the bridge we never look ;-)
[07:50] <MrMist> LSD|Ninja: It's not a addon... it's alltray
[07:50] <Lynoure> the barrier to chitchat on support channels is too low =)
[07:50] <twb> Hobbsee: it's perhaps too low for "clueless" users, but too high for "clued" users
[07:50] <ompaul> Lynoure, omg noo
[07:51] <Zambezi> twb: Are you having a bad day? You're so negative.
[07:51] <twb> Zambezi: I'm always negative
[07:51] <twb> Zambezi: I was born a grumpy old man
[07:51] <gregory> twb: about the "make a poll" concerning bts. i think you should speak up, and possibly offer to contribute signifcantly for migrating work
[07:51] <Hobbsee> twb: then i'd have to get into questioning your definitions of clue.
[07:52] <x1250> Hobbsee: yes you can change websites, at least the KDE team has the website on svn, I contribute with some packages in the past in there and notice that...
[07:52] <twb> Hobbsee: a clued user uses reportbug, because it automatically collects relevant information (e.g. package versions) and can include customized data gathering that is set up automatically by package maintainers (using hooks into reportbug).  Unfortunately, reportbug doesn't talk to launchpad yet.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> twb: if you have concerns about launchpad, you'd do well to address them to the guys paid to work on it, in #launchpad.
[07:53] <RAOF> twb: But apport can, and does essentially the same thing.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> that being said, they may still be asleep
[07:53] <Hobbsee> but you can try
[07:53] <jussi01> !info apport
[07:53] <Lynoure> twb: I like Debian a lot too, but Ubuntu is not Debian and ranting here will not change it to be more similar
[07:53] <ubotu> apport (source: apport): automatically generate crash reports for debugging. In component main, is optional. Version 0.107 (hardy), package size 102 kB, installed size 464 kB
[07:53] <RAOF> twb: With the obvious exception that you need to use a GUI :P
[07:53] <twb> Lynoure: I'm not ranting anymore, I'm answering questions about my rant
[07:53] <Lynoure> twb: I recommend targeting your energy at Canonical on this
[07:53] <twb> RAOF: specifically, apport forces you to use a GUI browser -- which is even worse than an ordinary GUI
[07:53] <DanaG> I just wish apport wouldn't refuse to even SHOW details of bugs when there are old package versions.
[07:54] <DanaG> Fine, disallow submitting them -- but don't disallow VIEWING.
[07:54] <twb> At least, when I tried to use apport on a server, it started w3m
[07:54] <RAOF> DanaG: Is there a bug filed about that?  It is annoying, isn't it.
[07:54] <Lynoure> The thing that bugs me most about Launchpad is it not supporting splitting of bugs
[07:54] <twb> Obviously most servers can send mail, but most don't have Firefox installed
[07:54] <DanaG> I don't know that there is one.
[07:56] <twb> I've yet to work out how to use the python launchpad utilities to duplicate bts(1)'s functionality... I should probably ask #launchpad about that.
[07:56] <MrMist> Anyone know how to customize alltray ?
[07:56] <MrMist> Can't get thunderbird to work
[07:58] <Hobbsee> twb: yes, likely
[08:01] <MrMist> Is there any reason ALLTRAY don't work in the new Ubuntu ??
[08:11] <x1250> MrMist: I don't use it, but you could try removing alltray's related files on ~/ first, and if doesn't work, purge-reinstall the package, or fill a bug
[08:13] <MrMist> x1250: Hmm.. you know ehich files that is then ?
[08:13] <MrMist> which
[08:13] <x1250> I don't use it, so nope
[08:15] <MrMist> x1250: There's no such files...
[08:15] <stefano_> is compiz broken or is it my fault? :(
[08:16] <x1250> stefano_: it works for me
[08:16] <Flannel> draginxx: no, it hasnt: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[08:17] <draginxx> ugh, why is it giving me the option then?
[08:17] <Flannel> draginxx: which option?
[08:17] <birmaan> morning
[08:18] <MrMist> x1250: Any quick way to do a purge-install?
[08:18] <MrMist> x1250: I usually do a apt-get reinstall, but that's not enough, right ?
[08:18] <x1250> aptitude purge package && aptitude install package
[08:19] <draginxx> Flannel, let me look at my irc logs, one moment please
[08:20] <draginxx> sudo update-manager -d
[08:20] <MrMist> x1250: does aptitude do anything more than apt-get purge package && apt-get install package +
[08:20] <MrMist> ??
[08:20] <Flannel> MrMist: no, those are identical
[08:21] <MrMist> x1250: How do I submit a bug report then?
[08:21] <Flannel> draginxx: You're already on Hardy, right?
[08:21] <draginxx> Flannel, I'm on 7.10
[08:21] <x1250> MrMist: this returns nothing? $ find ~/ -name "*tray*"
[08:21] <draginxx> This is rather odd..anyways I can wait =) Thanks anyways mate
[08:21] <MrMist> Could this be a compiz-issue? it WORKS, however when i push the "close" icon, the app closes instead of minimizing...
[08:21] <draginxx> its 3:30 am way past my bedtime ;x HAH night
[08:21] <Flannel> draginxx: Then `update-manager -d` would have given you the option to upgade to Hardy for almost six months now.
[08:22] <draginxx> Flannel, I just tried this option and it no longer gives me this option
[08:22] <draginxx> but it did say RC1
[08:22] <draginxx> And the people on efnet are saying rc1 is out
[08:22] <MrMist> x1250: Yeah... there's no files... and I've already purge/reinstalled
[08:22] <draginxx> Weird..then again I always associated people on efnet to be retards :p
[08:22] <x1250> MrMist: try disabling compiz with  ALT+F2: metacity --replace, and see if it works
[08:22] <x1250> then for going back to compiz, ALT+F2: compiz --replace
[08:23] <Flannel> draginxx: RC should be out sometime today though.  So if you go to bed, when you wake up it may be out
[08:23] <draginxx> Yeah...I guess some people are getting the update and some arent? Iunno, way to tired to care heh, anyways man take it easy and g'night =)
[08:26] <topyli> when i push the "close" icon, i *expect* the window to close :)
[08:27] <topyli> there are apps that disagree, which annoys me to no end
[08:28] <topyli> just so you know. i'm sure everybody feels wonderful now that they know how topyli feels about the issue
[08:28] <MrMist> x1250: Yep... that's it! When running metacity it works... with compiz however, it doesn't work :S
[08:30] <topyli> you said when you push "close" it closes instead of minimizing. that's working as advertised
[08:31] <x1250> he's using alltray :P
[08:31] <dcmorton> hi everybody.. did anybody else have issues getting grub installed with the alternate cd?
[08:31] <bullgard4> In Tracker I am searching for documents containing the search word 'tracker'. Why does Tracker print documents which contain the words 'track' or 'tracks'?
[08:32] <topyli> x1250: alltray, if you must misuse the notification area, should minimize to the so-called tray when pushing the minimize button, not close
[08:32] <topyli> if it minimizes on close, it's a horribly broken design
[08:32] <MrMist> topyli: This is the functionality which alltray should change. I WANT my mail program to keep running in the background, in the same way as using a IM tool
[08:33] <MrMist> right clicking on the icon in the tray gives a "exit" instrucion. Also, if choosing "exit" in the file menu of the app, the app actually closes
[08:33] <topyli> then don't push the "close" button :)
[08:33] <x1250> topyli: I dont use alltray, so I dont know how it works/or care
[08:34] <MrMist> topyli: That's how I work to remove windows. I COULD click the tray icon to close the app, however most users probably won't.
[08:34] <topyli> as a general rule, if you want to keep an application running, don't close it
[08:35] <x1250> windows close buttons sometimes are used to send the app to tray
[08:35] <topyli> x1250: i know, and that's broken
[08:35] <x1250> topyli: its not
[08:36] <topyli> we have a notification area so that apps and the system can display notification. there is no "tray" where all apps are welcome to idle
[08:37] <topyli> then there are apps that insist on imitating the windows tray and misuse the notification area
[08:37] <topyli> most annoying examples being nm-applet and pidgin
[08:37] <topyli> some music players refuse to close too
[08:38] <DanaG> Would you rather accidentally sign out when you accidentally close the buddy list?
[08:38] <topyli> pidgin at least has an option to disable it
[08:38] <DanaG> I don't like that.
[08:38] <x1250> I like the way pidgin works, I also use konversation that works in the same way
[08:38] <DanaG> Once you close the budy list.... are you screwed?
[08:39] <x1250> topyli: yes, that sould be a configurable option, if not == annoying, agree on that.
[08:39] <topyli> DanaG: that can be fixed by adding an option like "confirm exit" or such. generally speaking i would count on users really wanting to close the window
[08:39] <topyli> sadly, we are taught that close doesn't really mean close
[08:40] <Trewas> network-manager would be utterly pointless if it wasn't running all the time, and using tray is from UI perspective quite good way to handle it
[08:40] <mrtimdog> ﻿topyli: I'd agree with that. My personal choice would be to have an notification area for *notifications*, and a separate tray area for apps.
[08:40] <topyli> well, we have real panel applets, unlike windows
[08:40] <topyli> why can't nm-applet be a real applet instead of just saying so?
[08:42] <topyli> even xmms already did this right 10 years ago
[08:42] <topyli> we've broken this thing after having it working once
[08:43] <Keule> hi there! I have the problem that my screen shows awful colors when i  reboot/shutdown m comp. does anybody having an idea what the problem is?
[08:43] <topyli> xmms had a fine xmms-applet for the gnome panel, and you could choose an option to skip the window list when minimizing
[08:43] <Trewas> I don't see what is broken about tray, though I admit that apps that refuse to close with close-button are annoying in general
[08:44] <topyli> the notification area is not broken, but apps shouldn't live there permanently
[08:44] <DanaG> padevchooser is odd -- you can't right-click it!
[08:44] <DanaG> That's way WTF-inducing.
[08:45] <topyli> most of the time pidgin or nm-applet have absolutely nothing to notify me about
[08:46] <Trewas> so the notification area should be always empty? the actual notifications appear outside of it anyway
[08:47] <x1250> I like the way it works right now
[08:47] <DanaG> What do you want Pidgin to do when you want the buddy list closed, but don't want to quit?
[08:47] <mrtimdog> They're apps, which don't need windows, and are not notifications, so have no home to reside in - except for the notification area which seems to have been hijacked by them. They should be something like the notification area, but for these homeless apps.
[08:47] <Jaymac> Did the RC make it out yet?
[08:48] <m0u5e> when is hardy RC1 scheduled to be released? :D
[08:48] <Jaymac> yesterday
[08:48] <m0u5e> no, it got extended till today
[08:48] <m0u5e> but i'm not sure what time today
[08:48] <Jaymac> oh right
[08:48] <bicyclist> jaymac nope there was a delay and it is planned for today
[08:48] <topyli> Trewas: pidgin could show an icon there when it's expecting you to do something. otherwise, stay out
[08:48] <m0u5e> if you update-manager -d the readme, says that you are about to download hardy RC
[08:48] <m0u5e> is that accurate?
[08:48] <topyli> Trewas: ideally the notification area should be empty, yes
[08:49] <topyli> it is NOT a "tray"
[08:49] <Trewas> so in conclusion notification area should be renamed to something else and everything would be fine ;)
[08:49] <topyli> the windows tray exists because they don't have panel applets
[08:49] <Keule> when i shutdown my screen (tft) is colored in stripes with different colors... can i do anything against this?
[08:49] <m0u5e> so... anyone know the exact time hardy RC1 is going to be released?
[08:50] <m0u5e> err RC (i doubt there will be a 2 lol)
[08:51] <Lynoure> m0u5e: still plenty of time for RC2, too :)
[08:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't believe the RC is being released this late, especially for an LTS
[08:51] <m0u5e> Lynoure: I guess... but its only a week before final release
[08:51] <m0u5e> Daisuke_Ido: i'd rather they do it right, and have it take longer, than have it rushed
[08:51] <Daisuke_Ido> m0u5e, my feelings exactly
[08:52] <Lynoure> Well, it's not LTS for me (I'm on Kubuntu) :)
[08:52] <m0u5e> it still says beta on the main page... so i'm guessing the hardy upgrade readme is not to be trusted lol
[08:52] <topyli> i can't believe we're releasing an LTS next week, looking at the RC
[08:52] <m0u5e> Lynoure: but much of the core components are the same xD
[08:53] <m0u5e> are any of you running the beta now?
[08:53] <m0u5e> i hear the betas is stable after its been patched up
[08:53] <Lynoure> m0u5e: much, but most troublesome parts seem to be Ubuntu-only
[08:53] <topyli> m0u5e: right
[08:53] <Keule> i think the beta is more stable as 7.10 final :)
[08:54] <Keule> on my comp...
[08:54] <m0u5e> lol gutsy wasn't' that stable to begin with though xD
[08:54] <hydroboy> will the RC be released at a specific time today or just a matter of waiting?
[08:54] <Lynoure> Hardy works better than Gutsy for me too, even the card reader now works
[08:54] <m0u5e> hydroboy: that's what i was wondering :D
[08:54] <Keule> no the card reader wont...
[08:54] <m0u5e> yeah... gutsy regressed in some areas :(
[08:54] <topyli> heh gutsy was downright unusable on my office desktop
[08:55] <x1250> Ubuntu is probably a little more stable than debian sid, if at all
[08:55] <topyli> i used foresight through the gutsy period
[08:56] <Keule> does noone having the prob with colored screen when shutting down the comp?
[08:56] <topyli> x1250: in debian lingo, ubuntu stable is as stable as they come. their "stable" does not mean "unproblematic" and "unstable" doesn't mean "crashy"
[08:57] <bullgard4> "~$ update-manager; current dist not found in meta-release file." What is a 'meta-release file'?
[08:59] <jaffarkelshac> hey guys, i have been looking around for lightscribe and video editors for ogg files but so far nothing, any suggestions?
[09:00] <DanaG> Lightscribe actually has some official app you can find -- there is Linux support.
[09:01] <elcuco> hi all, my intel based wireless card is not working. can anyone help me?
[09:02] <jaffarkelshac> thats good to here, what about video editors for ogg format
[09:02] <Jaymac> 3945abg?
[09:02] <Jaymac> bullgard4: that just means that Hardy isn't an official release yet
[09:02] <Jaymac> bullgard4: after next Thursday that message will go away :)
[09:03] <m0u5e> btw did you guys hear?
[09:03] <DanaG> !info ogmrip
[09:03] <elcuco> Jaymac: yes, in 8.04 ubuntu uses the open source driver, which is not working for me :(
[09:03] <DanaG> that may help, perhaps.
[09:03] <ubotu> ogmrip (source: ogmrip): Application for ripping and encoding DVD. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.11.1-0.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 165 kB, installed size 724 kB
[09:03] <DanaG> Perhaps ubuntustudio people could help.
[09:03] <lup0> is the release candidate available already?
[09:03] <Jaymac> elcuco: did you try installing ubuntu-backports-modules?  that worked for me
[09:04] <m0u5e> i hear they're pulling XP off the shelves in June
[09:04] <elcuco> Jaymac: you say it's better to use the closed source driver? and the open source driver is not usable yet?
[09:05] <Jaymac> elcuco: no, the closed source driver isn't available... but i screwed around with a few packages trying to get it to work.. installed that one and i was away :)
[09:05] <Lamego> I am getting a type mismatch error using the gnome compiz config manager
[09:05] <Jaymac> elcuco: did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[09:05] <Lamego> I guess it could be from an old config, where is the compiz config stored ?
[09:05] <elcuco> Jaymac: fresh install, 64bit
[09:05] <hydroboy> lup0: no, waiting stilll....
[09:07] <bullgard4> Jaymac: Thank you for your information.
[09:07]  * elcuco tries swfdec
[09:08] <lumm> does anyone know if the lvm stuff is fixed in RC?
[09:08] <lumm> guided lvm not worked on installer
[09:08]  * elcuco installs firefox
[09:11] <elcuco> Animusic is working, sweet!
[09:16] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone have problem with vlc, where by it wont have sound if other app do
[09:22] <darthanubis> no
[09:24] <x1250> jaffarkelshac: there is a pulseaudio plugin for vlc, IIRC
[09:24] <orvokki> RC out already?
[09:24] <orvokki> Aww, not. :/
[09:24] <jaffarkelshac> thanks x1250
[09:24] <orvokki> (Or then the topic is lagging)
[09:24] <jaffarkelshac> how do i get it installed x1250
[09:24] <darthanubis> orvokki, topic
[09:25] <darthanubis> jaffarkelshac, search synaptic how else?
[09:25] <orvokki> darthanubis: Yesterday was RC release date.
[09:25] <jaffarkelshac> haha, why didn't think of that
[09:25] <darthanubis> !packacge | jaffarkelshac
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about packacge - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:25] <darthanubis> !package | jaffarkelshac
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <orvokki> darthanubis: Topic would require at the very least a postpone notice.
[09:26]  * corinth wonders why the RC hasn't been released yet. He's patient, though. :-)
[09:26] <jaffarkelshac> i know about packages darthanubis
[09:26] <darthanubis> !packages | jaffarkelshac
[09:26] <ubotu> jaffarkelshac: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:26] <jaffarkelshac> i thought this was extra not in repo
[09:26] <bicyclist> corinth : Release of RC was moved to today. so 18. is the day for RC !
[09:27] <orvokki> Yay. :)
[09:27] <darthanubis> can someone please change the topic
[09:27] <corinth> Hm, Where is it, then? Anyone know an update?
[09:27] <darthanubis> we are going to get hammered with RC questions!
[09:27] <Flannel> corinth: Theres still plenty of time left in today.
[09:27] <jaffarkelshac> what is the name of the package IIRC?
[09:27] <corinth> :-)
[09:27] <darthanubis> search
[09:28] <orvokki> jaffarkelshac: "what is the name of the package if i recall correctly" doesn't make much sense. ;>
[09:28] <darthanubis> jaffarkelshac, you know about packages but don't want to follow the bots suggestion?
[09:28] <darthanubis> search "vlc" or how about "pulse"
[09:29]  * orvokki disabled PulseAudio from his Hardy
[09:29] <Flannel> orvokki, corinth: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html
[09:29] <orvokki> Makes life easier.
[09:29] <darthanubis> !info vlc-plugin-pulse hardy
[09:29] <ubotu> vlc-plugin-pulse (source: vlc): Pulseaudio audio output plugin for VLC. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 6 kB, installed size 44 kB
[09:30] <darthanubis> we have by far the laziest user group :(
[09:30] <jaffarkelshac> he said vlc plugin, IIRC so is it a stretch to think that is what i thought the package was called
[09:30] <darthanubis> look the name is vlc
[09:30] <ttkeppi> anyone know eta of hardy rc?
[09:30] <jaffarkelshac> its vlc-plugin-pulse by the way
[09:30] <darthanubis> plugin
[09:30] <darthanubis> pulse
[09:30] <darthanubis> all threee words he used
[09:31] <darthanubis> again with the RC
[09:31] <darthanubis> ttkeppi, you'll know when the topic changes
[09:31]  * ttkeppi axiously waiting
[09:31] <ttkeppi> or even anxiously
[09:32] <orvokki> ttkeppi: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-April/000419.html
[09:34]  * orvokki wonders if there's an actual news server so you could use tin
[09:35] <ttkeppi> orvokki: i knew that, just was wondering that will it be one hour or twelve... because, i have friend coming over with his pc.. promised to install and configure ubuntu in to it.
[09:35] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[09:36] <ttkeppi> prolly wouldn't do any harm to install beta, and tell how to upgrade, since he has to upgrade anyways
[09:39] <topyli> you don't even have to tell him any more than you would if you installed the final
[09:40] <topyli> "when it tells you there are upgrades, install them"
[09:40] <topyli> updates
[09:40] <ttkeppi> oh. so no magic spells to teach?
[09:41] <topyli> update-manager does its thing that's all
[09:41] <ttkeppi> makes it just a wee bit easier.. since he is not the most computer savvy people
[09:41] <topyli> he's probably used to the windows update notification. this is more or less the same
[09:42] <topyli> except the updates often work, and you don't have to reboot every damn time
[09:42] <Smegzor> What is the default application for automatically importing digital photos?
[09:42] <ttkeppi> yes, well.. he also learned that one can not trust windows update
[09:42] <topyli> that's why you tell him to actually do the updates when he's on ubuntu :)
[09:42] <Smegzor> on gnome
[09:43] <topyli> Smegzor: f-spot on ubuntu
[09:43] <ttkeppi> i have been telling him the heavens of ubuntu, alot
[09:43] <Smegzor> hmm..  that can't be right.  fspot looks nothing like the program that originally handled my photos.  it makes a total mess of them.
[09:44] <Smegzor> everything is imported as 2004
[09:44] <topyli> yep, f-spot sometimes likes to do that
[09:44] <Smegzor> i wonder if I can get picasa to take over that job?
[09:44] <ttkeppi> i move digital photos manually, cut and paste
[09:45] <gregory> Smegzor: idea:
[09:45] <Smegzor> my ideas look like that too..  blank :)
[09:46] <gregory> Smegzor: type: gconf-editor, then dekstop -> gnome -> volumemanager: autophoto-command: change to picasa
[09:46] <topyli> Smegzor: sure, if picasa has a command line switch for that, like "f-spot --import"
[09:47] <Smegzor> i swear the application it used to use for this has changed.  i don't even recognise fspot.  it looks nothing like the original app.
[09:47] <topyli> gregory: we have a real gui for that too :)
[09:47] <Smegzor> aside from f-spot and picasa, what else is popular for importing photos?
[09:47] <gregory> topyli: where?
[09:47] <topyli> Smegzor: f-spot as default is new, yes
[09:47] <Smegzor> what was the previous default?
[09:48] <topyli> i can't recall, i used f-spot :)
[09:48] <Smegzor> :O
[09:48] <gregory> topyli: where? gconf-editor is a gui
[09:48] <topyli> gregory: system - preferences - removable drives and media
[09:48] <gregory> ok
[09:49] <|ismael|> hello,when will be the rc?
[09:49] <darthanubis> geez
[09:49] <topyli> Smegzor: might have been gphoto, or gqview, dunno
[09:49] <gregory> topyli: btw this doesnt offer something for ipods
[09:49] <Smegzor> I'll look at those.  I liked the original app whatever it was called.
[09:50] <bazhang> |ismael|: if you install beta and keep fully up to date you will be on the RC
[09:51] <bicyclist> Why can't i colose f-spot any more ? If i try to close it always says f-spot is not responding and i have to kill the process.
[09:52] <darthanubis> bazhang, _od forbid one do that
[09:52] <topyli> bicyclist: happens to me all the time too
[09:53] <bicyclist> Hmm should we file a bug ?
[09:56] <Smegzor> I get that too, but I dislike f-spot so I don't mind that its broken.
[09:57] <bicyclist> Smegzor what do you use for managing pictures ?
[09:58] <Smegzor> i have no idea.  whatever it was its now f-spot and I want the old app back
[09:58] <Smegzor> I'm still trying to find out what used to handle photos.
[09:58] <Smegzor> it changed when I upgraded I think.
[09:59] <Smegzor> hmm..  I'm going to cheat.  Install a virtual 7.10 and see what it uses :D
[09:59] <gregory> Smegzor: you might ask in #ubuntu. they run 7.10
[10:00] <Smegzor> I did.  Its hard to get an answer unless you're talking trash there
[10:00] <bicyclist> Wait a sec Smegzor i have a virtual machine with ubuntu 7.10 here.
[10:00] <Smegzor> I don't mind finding out for myself.  Its fun :)
[10:00] <gregory> Smegzor: hmm, try google: new features great pictures camera ubuntu gutsy. there will be articles, which mention the programs name..
[10:02] <Smegzor> thats ok.  I have a virtualbox called ISO Test Bunny.  Its running the 7.10 iso atm.
[10:02] <Smegzor> I run all my live cd's there to try out distros
[10:09] <Daviey> Hmm.. a recent upgrade has stopped Networkmanager from seeing my wireless interface... any ideas?
[10:10] <bicyclist> Daviey I often have problems with Networkmanager too. Why not give wicd a try. That's what s running on all my three ubuntu machines in the moment and it is way more stable.
[10:10] <Daviey> the update has made iwlist scan work now  though..
[10:11] <Daviey> bicyclist: I'll try that! thanks
[10:13] <MrMist> What do I need to boot a vmware image ?? the vmware server ?
[10:13] <MrMist> Is there any binaries in the apt system for vmware ?
[10:16] <savvas> MrMist: i think they don't support hardy yet
[10:16] <savvas> does anyone know if loco contacts have a channel?
[10:16] <MrMist> savvas: Hmm... know how I compile it myself then ?
[10:17] <savvas> MrMist: well um.. i don't think you can, there should be a workaround somewhere in the wikis
[10:17] <savvas> !vmware
[10:17] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[10:17] <savvas> there was one for gutsy until it got released
[10:17] <OllieH> How would I get a RealTek RTL8185 54M Wireless LAN Network Adapter to work on Hardy?
[10:18] <MrMist> savvas: So it's not been made for hoary yet ?
[10:18] <savvas> MrMist: hardy! not hoary, that was some years ago :) i think not
[10:19] <MrMist> ehm... :$ Sooorry *coughs*
[10:19] <MrMist> kinda similar names though... hehe..
[10:19] <savvas> MrMist: check it out in #vmware
[10:19] <savvas> on the other hand..
[10:19] <savvas> there's always virtualbox :)
[10:20] <MrMist> savvas: Can it play vmware images ?
[10:22] <savvas> MrMist: negative, from what i know, but do a google search for vmware converter or something
[10:23] <Smegzor> yay!  I fixed my camera import software.  f-spot is in the trash and I'm now using gthumb which was used prior to the POS f-spot replacing it :D
[10:23] <NotSure> Hi - What is a good CD Ripper? Found several different ones in Synaptics?
[10:23] <Smegzor> now I don't have to fight the photo software just to correctly file and date the photos.
[10:24] <spyroboy> }Alright.
[10:24] <savvas> NotSure: best one so far is sound juicer
[10:24] <savvas> at least in my opinion :)
[10:25] <spyroboy> I downloaded the beta the other night to install to my brand new ASUS laptop, and when I did, the install goes smoothly except until the very end.
[10:25] <spyroboy> GRUB won't install and complains that it can't read stage1.
[10:25] <spyroboy> Any ideas?
[10:25] <savvas> spyroboy: yes, wait for the release candidate, it gets released today
[10:25] <spyroboy> Today?
[10:25] <savvas> yep
[10:25] <spyroboy> I see.
[10:25] <x1250> spyroboy: /boot full?
[10:26] <spyroboy> x1250, pardon?
[10:26] <x1250> $ df -h
[10:26] <spyroboy> It's not on it's own partition.
[10:27] <NotSure> savvas: Thanks - Will check it out.
[10:29] <spyroboy> x1250, I'm actually quite new to /ubuntu/, not linux, but I'm not too sure where you guys store yourrelease candidates.
[10:29] <spyroboy> Would it be here: /ubuntu-releases/releases/8.04/ (on whatever mirror)
[10:30] <rsk> spyroboy: there wont be a RC i think
[10:31] <rsk> just beta->release
[10:31] <MrMist> any plans to make vmware binaries for hardy ?
[10:31] <spyroboy> hrmmm..
[10:31] <spyroboy> rsk, I see.
[10:31] <x1250> spyroboy: daily hardy builds: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[10:31] <spyroboy> oh, cool.
[10:32] <spyroboy> Hrmm..
[10:32] <spyroboy> My bios can't setup  a boot sequence consisting of separate partitions.
[10:33] <NotSure> savvas: I installed "sound juicer" but can't find app icon in Applications/Sound & Video - Is it listed by another name?
[10:33] <scobby> hi
[10:33] <scobby> i have a problem with usb sticks
[10:34] <spyroboy> Here's my case:  I bought a new laptop which came with Vista, and just because I might have a need for Vista, I'm keeping it.  (Such as gaming at lan parties)  The problem is that I don't want Grub to install to the MBR and overwrite my vista bootloader.
[10:34] <x1250> NotSure: try $ killall gnome-panel
[10:34] <spyroboy> What would you guys do in this case?
[10:35] <x1250> I would wipe out vista :)
[10:35] <scobby> if i remove a stick without unmounting the container in /media will not be removed. after putting the stick again into my pc, hardy create a new directory called  usbstick_  .
[10:35] <spyroboy> My harddrive has a werid partition setup of 4 partitions.  First one is reserved for something belonging to ASUS.  Maybe a recovery. Second is my vista, and third is something else I have no idea what.  And fourth is what I'd install Linux to.
[10:36] <spyroboy> x1250, I'd agree with you if it wasn't a laptop with 3GB of ram and a geforce 9500.
[10:36] <rsk> spyroboy: why is the specs important for keeping vista?
[10:36] <spyroboy> rsk, I go to lan parties often.
[10:36] <NotSure> x1250: Not sure what you mean - Right click on "Applications/Edit Menus" and look for it one of the folders that it might not be checked off to show ? ?
[10:36] <rsk> i still don't get you
[10:37] <rsk> i dont need vista on lan parties
[10:37] <spyroboy> ..
[10:37] <x1250> NotSure: $ killall gnome-panel will refresh the menu elements...
[10:37] <spyroboy> I'd rather keep the OEM software on there, if you're saying  you'd install XP.
[10:37] <scobby> if i remove a stick without unmounting the container in /media will not be removed. after putting the stick again into my pc, hardy create a new directory called  usbstick_  .
[10:37] <rsk> still no connection here :)
[10:37] <rsk> but do as you wish
[10:38] <spyroboy> I think I was going to do just that.
[10:38] <rsk> and no i wouldn't install XP
[10:38] <NotSure> x1250: Would that be the same as restarting computer or restarting x-server?
[10:38] <spyroboy> I'm asking for your opinion on how to do this.
[10:38] <x1250> NotSure: yes
[10:39] <NotSure> x1250: Also can run line you type in Terminal as well?
[10:39] <NotSure> typed
[10:40] <x1250> sorry, didn't understand the question, 6am here
[10:40] <x1250> sound-juicer would execute it from the command line, if that was what you were asking
[10:41] <x1250> $ sound-juicer
[10:41] <NotSure> x1250: Do you know of something that can rip or capture stream from Last-FM on web? Oh ok on comment about Sound Juicer.
[10:42] <x1250> NotSure: no, I don't know
[10:43] <NotSure> x1250: yep - Sound juicer - runs from Terminal - just need to restart - thanks much
[10:43] <insomninja> NotSure, I've heard about a program called streamripper but never used it
[10:44] <NotSure> insomninja: I installed that - but not sure how to use it yet. Will do a google and see what I come up with - Thanks
[11:00] <NotSure> Hi - Here is a link for a HowTo using StreamRipper & LastFM - http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ripping-mp3s-from-lastfm-with-linux.html - Looks pretty easy.
[11:03] <NotSure> x1250: Have restarted computer - I know I have - Sound Juicer - but can't find it. Is there a way to go where the Apps start icon is in some folder and make a shortcut to my Sound & Video folder somehow?
[11:04] <NotSure> If I Type Sound Juicer in Terminal window it runs.
[11:05] <x1250> NotSure: system -> prefs -> main menu, you can create (or enable if it is there) a sound-juicer icon
[11:06] <NotSure> x1250: I can't see it in any of the folders there - Already looked in all the folders.
[11:07] <NotSure> x1250: Could I make a "New Item" and browse to where start app is?
[11:07] <x1250> NotSure: yes
[11:08] <NotSure> Where would I browse to?
[11:08] <x1250> $ which sound-juicer
[11:08] <NotSure> Not where these live?
[11:08] <NotSure> Not sure where these live?
[11:08] <x1250> $ which sound-juicer will tell you
[11:10] <Lamego> NotSure, how did you install soundjuicer ? The version from the repositories does install a desktop entry
[11:10] <NotSure> x1250: Thanks got it - will write that one down - great command - thx - There is another one that gives info on any hardware device plugged into a USB port - Would you know what that one is?
[11:11] <Lamego> NotSure, dmesg
[11:11] <NotSure> Lamego: Installed it from straight from Synaptics. Didn't use Add/Remove program.
[11:12] <Lamego> you should have a menu entry at Sound & Video
[11:13] <NotSure> Lamego: It's not there - will do a restart and see if it comes up.
[11:13] <Lamego> you dont need to restart
[11:14] <Lamego> anyway, I didn't got the icon either :P
[11:14] <x1250> I have my icon :)
[11:15] <Lamego> odd, there is a /usr/share/applications/sound-juicer.desktop
[11:15] <NotSure> Same here
[11:15] <Lamego> NotSure, ok, the name on the menu is "Audio CD Extractor"
[11:15] <NotSure> it runs from Konsole
[11:16] <NotSure> Ah - Bright guy I do have that - hee hee - tricky little devil of a program name huh? grinning
[11:16] <Lamego> :)
[11:17] <NotSure> Funny stuff this late at nite - I think it's time for  zzzzzzzzzzz - p-)
[11:17] <x1250> Ah, then this was only a funny misunderstanding :P
[11:18] <NotSure> Glad I got that resolved - couldn't sleep a wink if not resolved - grin
[11:19] <Lamego> lol
[11:19] <NotSure> x1250: So yer app is listed as "Sound Juicer" or "Audio CD Extractor"????
[11:19] <Lamego> audio cd extractor
[11:20] <x1250> Audio CD Extractor (in spanish), but I knew it was sound-juicer :P
[11:20] <Lamego> that is the meny entry from the package
[11:20] <NotSure> I was asking x1250....
[11:20] <Lamego> menu
[11:20] <Lamego> NotSure, we all have the same menu entries :)
[11:20] <Lamego> which is based on that .desktop file
[11:21] <NotSure> ok - anyways it's been a looooong nite - time for bye-bye and nite-nite - you are all a grat help - thx again.
[11:21] <NotSure> great
[11:21] <NotSure> bye
[11:21] <x1250> :)
[11:31] <Silvercircle> has the name from gnome-keyring-manager from gutsy to hardy changed ?
[11:38] <Uzzi> è uscita la rc?
[11:39] <WaZ`> hey all
[11:39] <WaZ`> anyone else experiencing random crashes using FF 3 beta 5?
[11:42] <lup0> WaZ`: nope, maybe random slowdowns when using flash
[11:43] <lup0> WaZ`: but I'm using kubuntu .10
[11:43] <lup0> *7.10
[11:44] <x1250> WaZ`: yes, thats a known issue
[11:45] <x1250> ff beta 5 + flash = random crashes
[11:45] <WaZ`> x1250: anything i can do to fix it?
[11:46] <yao_ziyuan> help!
[11:46] <x1250> WaZ`: Uhm, not really, but I think firefox-2 is on the repos
[11:46] <yao_ziyuan> after upgrading to kubuntu 8.04 beta and a restart,
[11:46] <x1250> try uninstalling firefox3 and installing version 2
[11:46] <WaZ`> x1250: okay, thanks
[11:46] <yao_ziyuan> my sound system doesn't work now
[11:46] <yao_ziyuan> and kmix says can't find a mixer
[11:47] <WaZ`> x1250: btw, do you know if its possible to revert to the old adress bar in FF3?
[11:47] <x1250> I dont remember how the old address was :) .... but no I don't know if it can be done
[11:47] <yao_ziyuan> hardy can't recognize my sound card now
[11:48] <yao_ziyuan> it's intel on-chip AC97
[11:48] <WaZ`> okay thx
[11:56] <Sa2> Hi, guys, I have a bug in 8.04
[11:56] <Sa2> When I create bond with my cell phone by bluetooth
[11:56] <Sa2> the system stops to work
[11:56] <Sa2> even mouse stops to move
[11:58] <Sa2> anybody knows?
[12:10] <insomninja> Sa2, can you get to a virtual terminal? (Alt+F1) If so you could try making a google/ubuntuforums search or post based on the last lines of the output of the command dmesg
[12:10] <yao_ziyuan> sound card no longer recognized after upgrading to hardy beta
[12:11] <insomninja> sorry, I do not really have any specific info on the topic, except that I know that bluetooth hasn't worked for me since breezy.
[12:12] <insomninja> yao_ziyuan, do you see it in the lshw output?
[12:12] <Keule> hi there - can someone tell me something about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/43223
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43223 in usplash "Funky Colors on Shutdown Screen" [Medium,Incomplete]
[12:12] <yao_ziyuan> insomninja: what is lshw?
[12:13] <insomninja> sorry, I mean lspci
[12:13] <insomninja> which is a terminal command
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan> yeah i see
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan> can i post 3 lines at once?
[12:13] <insomninja> it should be ok I think
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿multimedia UNCLAIMED
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan>              description: Multimedia audio controller
[12:13] <yao_ziyuan>              product: 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
[12:14] <insomninja> is that from lspci or lshw?
[12:14] <yao_ziyuan> lshw
[12:14] <yao_ziyuan> 3 other devices are also UNCLAIMED
[12:15] <yao_ziyuan> now i checked "Proprietary drivers" in adept-manager
[12:15] <yao_ziyuan> and it found some updates now
[12:15] <insomninja> good luck
[12:15] <insomninja> what does lspci|grep Audio give you
[12:15] <yao_ziyuan> i'm applying these updates
[12:16] <yao_ziyuan> insomninja: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:16] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy my GNOME terminal and Epiphany show letters blurry. Only my framebuffer console 1 shows them crystal-clean. Anti-Aliasing is not switched on. How to troubleshoot?
[12:19] <insomninja> yao_ziyuan, you might be interested in this thread (esp. page 5) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720043
[12:19] <insomninja> bullgard4, are you running at the right resolution?
[12:20] <bullgard4> insomninja: How can I find out the proper answer on your question?
[12:21] <yao_ziyuan> insomninja: i think the only cause should be that hardy removed my sound driver, among other drivers
[12:24] <Keule> can someone comment that bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/43223
[12:25] <yao_ziyuan> insomninja: thanks i'll try
[12:28] <insomninja> bullgard4, you have a resolution selecting app in the preferences menu (I can't give more help on where it is than that, as I'm not currently running gnome)
[12:28] <RainCT> Hi
[12:29] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy all my GNOME locales except LC_ALL are de_DE.UTF-8. The GNOME terminal displays German umlauts correctly. Not so my consoles. How to troubleshoot?
[12:30] <RainCT> I'm on Hardy since some time but now I'm getting a BSoD (Black Screen of Desesperation ^^, or rather, the graphics don't start)... I haven't touched any config file or upgrade recently though... Any idea how to fix it? (I'm on a tty right now; /etc/init.d/gdm restart didn't help)
[12:31] <RainCT> bullgard4: consoles = Ctrl + Alt + Fx?
[12:32] <bullgard4> RainCT: Yes.
[12:34] <suriro> bullgard4: did you resolve gnome terminal's blurry font issue?
[12:36] <RainCT> bullgard4: you're not the only one then (it happens to me too, and to some LoCo mates). If you find a fix please tell me :)
[12:36] <bullgard4> suriro: I did not.
[12:37] <suriro> bullgard4: it also happens on xfce Terminal. Actually antialiasing is OK, but hinting is not working.
[12:38] <RainCT> uhm.. what is PySwitcher.py (it filled my ~/.xsession-errors file with "CRITICAL" messages)?
[12:40] <RainCT> (nvm, that doesn't seem to be the problem)
[12:41] <suriro> RainCT: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X startup problems
[12:44]  * RainCT will try restarting :P, brb
[12:44] <x1250> there is a possible fix for crashing firefox and flash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888/comments/39
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[12:45] <Mez> how's Hardy going /
[12:45] <Mez> worth upgrading yet ?
[12:47] <IdleOne> Mez: yeah
[12:48] <IdleOne> unless you have freaky hardware
[12:48] <IdleOne> but Hardy been running great
[12:49] <RainCT> Now it works. Somehow my graphics card is mad... xD
[12:49] <Mez> IdleOne, how about ATI with dual screen?
[12:50] <IdleOne> Mez: hmmm dont know
[12:50] <IdleOne> Mez: check the forums and launchpad I guess . see if there are any reports
[12:51] <osfameron> afternoon
[12:51] <osfameron> will Hardy use pulseaudio by default?
[12:52] <critter-> yes it does osfameron
[12:52] <osfameron> and will the package have module-audio-jack compiled?  (I was trying to compile from lenny, as the gutsy package doesn't include, but at this point I might as well wait for Hardy)
[12:52] <osfameron> critter-: cool, thanks
[12:52] <critter-> if you could tell me a quick way i could check for that i could let you know
[12:53] <osfameron> critter-: er, dunno.  dpkg -S is it?  for module-jack-sink and module-jack-source
[12:54] <critter-> i have an m-audio revolution soundcard.  i'm disappointed because the past couple of distros there hasn't been any real resolution to getting sound out of both speakers other than spiking pcm levels in the volume control
[12:54] <critter-> i'll try that osfameron
[12:54] <critter-> those were not found when i ran each seperately, osfameron
[12:54] <osfameron> oh?  I thought I'd heard m-audio was well supported under linux
[12:55] <osfameron> critter-: ah... thanks
[12:55] <osfameron> critter-: ah, in lenny there's another module: pulseaudio-module-jack
[12:55] <critter-> i heard that too.  but for me to get audio out of both channels i've got to spike it, at least upon rebooting.  i'm hoping its not my soundcard and its ubuntu, but your right, its never been fixed if it was ubuntu
[12:55] <critter-> i'll try that
[12:55] <bullgard4> RainCT: I have found out that Hardy uses the wrong screen dimensions data: It believes that it is 271x203mm but really it is 306x227mm.
[12:56] <critter-> didn't find that one either osfameron
[12:56] <osfameron> critter-: thanks for looking anyway :-)
[12:56] <critter-> sure :)
[12:56] <osfameron> so it looks like I might still have to compile the package...
[12:57] <RainCT> bullgard4: have you also found how to fix that?
[12:57] <Ergo^> mornin
[12:57] <Ergo^> shouldnt we have an RC build available somewhere ?
[12:57] <bullgard4> RainCT: No.
[13:02] <sharadg> hi all , I face a similar issue as in bug 196470
[13:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196470 in flashplugin-nonfree "[hardy] flash plugin can't play videos at all then other program is using audio device" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196470
[13:03] <sharadg> i tried reinstalling pulseaudio and libflashsupport
[13:03] <sharadg> mine is not a clean install and i upgraded from gutsy
[13:04] <co0lingFir3> hi folks! what's the purpose of the process "evolution-data -server-2.22"? why is it constantly using 50% of my cpu?
[13:15] <Keule> does someone having the same prob? please comments ! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/43223
[13:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43223 in usplash "Funky Colors on Shutdown Screen" [Medium,Incomplete]
[13:20] <gregory> co0lingFir3: http://freshmeat.net/projects/evolution-data-server/ has a description. what are your computer specs. you run some old 486 or a "normal" machine?
[13:20] <gregory> co0lingFir3: http://freshmeat.net/projects/evolution-data-server/ has a description. what are your computer specs? you run some old 486 or a "normal" machine?
[13:21] <tatter1> Where will the release candidate turn up first??
[13:21] <co0lingFir3> gregory: i run a core2duo so that shouldnt be the problem
[13:21] <co0lingFir3> however it does not occur every time i boot my laptop...
[13:22] <x1250> sharadg: try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888/comments/39
[13:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[13:22] <mheath> gregory: FYI, Ubuntu won't run on a 486, so asking someone if they're runnig it on that is a little silly.
[13:22] <gregory> mheath: thanks for the information, though i dont like the word silly
[13:22] <sharadg> x1250, yes i tried that out just now as I type and things seems to be working now
[13:23] <Keule> is it right, that hardy havent any updates since about 24 hours? or is there a problem with my packets?
[13:23] <gregory> co0lingFir3: has launchpad a ticket on the issue?
[13:23] <grom358> I'm trying to setup grub-gfxboot on hardy
[13:23] <grom358> its still black/white instead of the theme I installed
[13:24] <grom358> I'm following the HOWTO at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208855
[13:25] <grom358> where it says to add the gfxmenu /boot/grub/message.suse line.. is that just at the start of the file?
[13:25] <co0lingFir3> gregory: i dont know...
[13:29] <gregory> co0lingFir3: i found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/151536 . for a workaround it mentions to "evolution --force-shutdown" to stop it. would this help you?
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151536 in evolution-data-server "[MASTER] E-D-S hangs on login and uses 100% cpu" [High,Triaged]
[13:32] <co0lingFir3> gregory: brb. have to reboot...
[13:35] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy my GNOME terminal and Epiphany show letters blurry. Only my framebuffer console 1 shows them crystal-clean. Anti-Aliasing is not switched on. How to troubleshoot?
[13:36] <Cameron> hi.  if I download the hardy-desktop-amd64.iso, and then install lvm, can I install to a LVM root partition ?
[13:40] <hwilde> [57569.510695] cs: pcmcia_socket1: cardbus cards are not supported.
[13:40] <hwilde> sine when??
[13:40] <hwilde> *since
[13:40] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy all my GNOME locales except LC_ALL are de_DE.UTF-8. The GNOME terminal displays German umlauts correctly. Not so my consoles. How to troubleshoot?
[13:43] <IdleOne> !LOCALES
[13:43] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[13:43] <Blues-Man> hi all
[13:44] <whitehawk> will there be an RC anytime soon?
[13:44] <gregory> Cameron: you might ask in #ubuntu-testing. they are more a communcation channel and not a support channel, but - they use lvm. so asking is worth a try
[13:44] <Blues-Man> i'm on kubuntu hardy, i would try kde 4, have I to follow this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php or I can just install kde4-core ?
[13:45] <Blues-Man> cause i see gutsy in the repository named in that page
[13:46] <ligemeget> H﻿i people, I have a problem: I'm running Ubuntu installed through Wubi, and Ubuntu can easily access the Windows-files - except for the problem that it doesn't display any files or foldes with special characters like æ, ø, å and ð in the filenames.
[13:47] <Quintasan> Hi, I have recently updgraded to 8.04, I'm using KDE and after the upgrade the content of my home folder started showing up on desktop and they are "linked" whenever I delete something from desktop it gets deleted in /home, can anyone tell me how to set up it properly?
[13:49] <lup0> Blues-Man: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[13:50] <Blues-Man> lup0, have I to install only this package and then I will have kde4?(i think it will install all the stuff with deps)
[13:50] <lup0> Blues-Man: should be like that
[13:50] <Blues-Man> ok tnx
[13:51] <jackflap> any sign of the release candidate yet?
[13:51] <adam12523> loey
[13:53] <ligemeget> Anyone?
[13:54] <adam12523> ligemeget, anyone what
[13:54] <ligemeget> I wrote: "﻿H﻿i people, I have a problem: I'm running Ubuntu installed through Wubi, and Ubuntu can easily access the Windows-files - except for the problem that it doesn't display any files or foldes with special characters like æ, ø, å and ð in the filenames."
[13:55] <ligemeget> Are the Wubies aware of that, it seems like a bug to me
[13:55] <Skiessi> !info vlc
[13:55] <ubotu> vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 1113 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[13:55] <jackflap> not sure
[13:55] <jackflap> lig: do those characters come up in a default ubuntu install?
[13:56] <ligemeget> jackflap, I don't know since I haven't tried. Only installed via Wubi
[13:56] <matjan_work> hi, since early this week (after the latest updates), i have some trouble with switching workspaces with the workspace switcher on the gnome panel... i have the compiz cube activated... what happens is that it seems that when switching the rotation does not completely finish and this leads to artifacts at the left and right sides of the screen and e.g. blurred text on the desktop
[13:56] <matjan_work> anyone else have this problem?
[13:57] <Blues-Man> do you know if in kde 4 konqueror has the same problem with javascript/ajax powered website?
[13:57] <jackflap> lig: well, one thing u could do, is boot the live cd, then browse to the windows drive and check if the characters show up when using the live cd
[13:57] <Blues-Man> i can't use gmail chat
[13:57] <Blues-Man> in konqueror 3.x
[13:58] <jackflap> if they dont, then its definitely a bug with wubi and a bug will need to be filed on wubi's bugtracker
[13:58] <jackflap> sorry, i mean, if they do come up on the live cd, then a bug will need to be filed on wubi's bugtracker
[13:59] <ligemeget> jackflap, ok. I actually installed directly from the .iso-file using Daemon-tools so I don't have a live-cd but I guess I'll burn one
[14:00] <ligemeget> Or maybe just wait a couple of days, and then grab a free one when attending my local hardy release party
[14:00] <jackflap> either way is good, but yeah, checking it out would be appreciated
[14:00] <Quintasan> I have recently updgraded to 8.04, I'm using KDE and after the upgrade the content of my home folder started showing up on desktop and they are "linked" whenever I delete something from desktop it gets deleted in my home folder, how can I set it properly?
[14:02] <adam12523> Quintasan, open terminal use the ls command on your home dir and look for any links
[14:02] <flipstar> Quintasan: systemsettings>about me>path's
[14:02] <adam12523> or what he said
[14:04] <flipstar> Quintasan: you updated trough internet or alternate cd ?
[14:04] <Quintasan> flipstar: trough internet
[14:04] <flipstar> hm okay so your version is up to date
[14:04] <jackflap> lig: fyi, the wubi bugtracker can be found here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/
[14:05] <Quintasan> flipstar: the paths were correct, I have pointed them once more and now i have contents of / on desktop :/
[14:05] <jackflap> lig: if it does turn out to be a bug, please file one
[14:05] <jackflap> there, thanks
[14:06] <Quintasan> adam12523: a link looks like "/somewhere/to/link -> /blast/my/dir" right?
[14:06] <ligemeget> will do
[14:07] <jackflap> quint: yup
[14:07] <adam12523> it sure does
[14:08] <Quintasan> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root      root        44 2008-04-17 20:13 .directory -> /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/directory-home
[14:08] <Quintasan> only one link, and its in /home not in /home/quintasan
[14:09] <adam12523> Quintasan, do a ls in Desktop
[14:11] <Quintasan> drwxr-xr-x 95 quintasan quintasan 4096 2008-04-18 15:09 ..
[14:11] <Quintasan> same with one dot
[14:11] <Quintasan> nothing else
[14:11] <bullgard4> Does there exist a GNOME tool to determine what screen resolution GNOME assumes?
[14:12] <jackflap> ls -l /home/quintasan/Desktop
[14:12] <Quintasan> nothing
[14:12] <adam12523> Quintasan, unless it thinks your home folder is the desktop
[14:12] <dassouki> cheese shuts down after i start it on my laptop after the camera light goes on for 2 seconds
[14:12] <adam12523> where does cd . take you
[14:12] <adam12523> i mean ~
[14:12] <jackflap> actually no, ls -ld /home/quintasan/Desktop
[14:13] <Pici> adam12523: home
[14:13] <Quintasan> quintasan@azrael:~/Desktop$ ls -ld /home/quintasan/Desktop
[14:13] <Quintasan> drwxr-xr-x 2 quintasan quintasan 4096 2008-04-18 15:03 /home/quintasan/Desktop
[14:14] <adam12523> edit ~/.config/users.dirs.dirs and change the line XDG_DESKTOP_DIR=
[14:14] <adam12523> maybe?
[14:14] <m1r> hello
[14:14] <afallenhope> hey... I had a question... I looked at my boot loader this morning and I had two versions of the kernel....
[14:14] <afallenhope> 2.6.24-16-generic
[14:15] <afallenhope> and another one... I think it was 2.6.24.2
[14:15] <Quintasan> brb
[14:15] <afallenhope> how do I get rid of the other one.
[14:15] <adam12523> whats wrong with that
[14:15] <KRF> afallenhope, remove one with apt-get remove linux-image(kernelversion here)
[14:15] <KRF> best would be the old one
[14:15] <adam12523> i like to keep a few old kerns
[14:15] <afallenhope> okay thanks. I'm going to reboot so I can find it.
[14:16] <jackflap> afallen: its likely a new kernel was installed with your updates
[14:16] <Quintasan> thanks, it works properly now
[14:17] <jackflap> afallen: you might want to keep it there in case you find something has broken since installing the updates so that you can use the old one
[14:17] <adam12523> Quintasan, np
[14:17] <afallenhope> oh.
[14:17] <afallenhope> gooood thinking
[14:17] <afallenhope> well.. okay.. I'm trying to patch a driver... and for some reason it doesn't seem to want to work... I think
[14:17] <gunashekar> afallenhope: have you resolved the clock issue?
[14:18] <afallenhope> how do I compare the newly compiled driver with the old one
[14:18] <adam12523> Quintasan, im bored what should i install / play with on my ubuntu
[14:18] <afallenhope> gunashekar: no.
[14:18] <ferric84> RC out yet?
[14:18] <afallenhope> gunashekar: I just right click it now. lol.
[14:19] <jackflap> not yet
[14:19] <gunashekar> afallenhope: it is an upstream issue with gnome and they have given it 'normal' priority status.. means it wont get resolved till the next update/gnome version
[14:20] <afallenhope> oh
[14:21] <afallenhope> how wdo I know if I patched something correcty?
[14:21] <CheShA> sup roomies
[14:21] <gunashekar> afallenhope: i guess when it works
[14:21] <adam12523> CheShA, lol sup
[14:22] <afallenhope> lol
[14:23] <afallenhope> This is the other kernel installed: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64
[14:24]  * CheShA is excited
[14:25] <afallenhope> how do you check the compile date of a module
[14:27] <CheShA> Ii take it from the topic that there still is no news of a release time
[14:28] <m1r> any tips on how to remove ndiswrapper module loading on startup and blocking wireless usb card from detecting ?
[14:28] <afallenhope> How do you check the compile date of a module/
[14:29] <compwiz18> m1r: try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - just stick ndiswrapper on its own line
[14:29] <gunashekar> CheShA: what excites you?
[14:30] <sls> whats wrong with Banshee in this hardy? My Ipod does not show
[14:30] <m1r> compwiz18: tnx, i try
[14:30] <compwiz18> CheShA: I think it is April 24th for the release
[14:30] <afallenhope> gunashekar: how do you see the compile date of a module?
[14:31] <CheShA> compwiz18, gunashekar - waiting for the RC
[14:31] <compwiz18> CheShA: ah, that should be today/yesterday, right?
[14:31] <whitehawk> CheShA, when will the Rc come?
[14:31] <CheShA> yeah should be any minute apparently, was F5 ing on the web site all day yeaterday and today :-S
[14:32] <whitehawk> I just wanted to write a beta
[14:32] <whitehawk> but I figured it should come soon so I'll wait
[14:32] <whitehawk> CheShA, can you ping me if it is out?
[14:32] <m1r> compwiz18: tnx , got wireless back.
[14:32] <compwiz18> oh, I didn't even notice the release date was in the topic :)
[14:33] <compwiz18> m1r: good :)
[14:33] <CheShA> whitehawk: yeah sure. waiting for the mail from ubuntu-announce but there was a hint that the latest predicted times would be available on here so I thought id check in.
[14:33] <m1r> compwiz18: i use usb adapter that uses prism54usb, but that is working like half broken, it drops on any page using flash/javascript :/
[14:33] <whitehawk> CheShA, I hope itt will be out in the next 2 hours
[14:33] <compwiz18> m1r: that sounds like a firefox problem, not the usb adapter
[14:34] <gunashekar> whitehawk: why the 2 hour deadline?
[14:36] <CheShA> whitehawk: yeah me too, got a lot of work to do. It's not "production" yet etc etc but will give me a head start on building a few boxes if I can get started with it and keep it patched up from here on in. If it turns out there's a showstopper bug I can always start again... but I think its worth the gamble for possibly gaining a week's extra testing.
[14:37] <afallenhope> where do I find the time stamps for modules that are loaded?
[14:37] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[14:37] <CheShA> gunashekar: im in the UK so it would be good to see it before i finish work for the weekend.
[14:37] <elvirolo> i'm running dapper, and my prob is that the sound doesn't work with youtube (although it does work with other flash animations
[14:37] <sebastt> hello. please i need some help. I installed Hardy and I'm having problems with my ATI card
[14:37] <whitehawk> CheShA, I have to present a work till the end of this month that should work for a few years so that is why I'm using Hardy
[14:38] <Pici> elvirolo: This channel is only for Hardy support, please ask in #ubuntu
[14:38] <sebastt> What can I do?
[14:38] <elvirolo> Pici: I'm sorry, I meant Hardy.
[14:39] <CheShA> whitehawk:  same here, got out of warranty physical servers that have been a weight around my neck, virtualising it but wanted to wait for hardy for LTS etc.  Going to feel so liberated when i have this done!
[14:40] <sls> whats wrong with Banshee in this hardy? My Ipod does not show
[14:40] <adam12523> CheShA, im from uk too
[14:40] <whitehawk> CheShA, I have 2 PCs here, one is not working with ubuntu, don't know the problem, but I don't really care about it either
[14:41] <CheShA> adam12523:  whereabouts you at mate ? Im in Manchester
[14:41] <adam12523> Andover or Bournemouth
[14:42] <CheShA> adam12523: make your mind up ;)
[14:42] <CheShA> hehe
[14:42] <hischild> !offtopic
[14:42] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[14:42] <gunashekar> :)
[14:43] <adam12523> Im using hardy atm working nicely
[14:43] <adam12523> few little problems a few days ago
[14:43] <adam12523> but none now
[14:45] <CheShA> sebastt:what problems are you having?
[14:46] <Keule>  I know i asked that a few times but..  I need an answert :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/43223
[14:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43223 in usplash "Funky Colors on Shutdown Screen" [Medium,Incomplete]
[14:47] <sebastt> CheSha: It's just not working properly. Firefox scrolls slow (dont know how to explain that), when I move a windows its just so slow
[14:48] <sebastt> like if I have a 2MB videocard
[14:48] <CheShA> hwat ati card is it? which driver are you using? standard / restricted / manually installed from ATI website / installed using envy ?
[14:49] <Keule> CheShA: ist that for me?
[14:49] <Keule> i use nvidia
[14:50] <CheShA> Keule: apologies - it was for  sebastt
[14:50] <CheShA> keule: same question applies though huh ;)
[14:50] <sebastt> its a CheSa: ati mobile igp 320
[14:51] <sebastt> i installed the drivers manually
[14:51] <sebastt> downloaded the driver from ati but then i installed using the terminal following the instructions i found on a webpage
[14:52] <CheShA> sebastt: have you ever tried the envy utility?
[14:53] <sebastt> no i havent
[14:53] <sebastt> what is that?
[14:53] <Keule> CheShA: same question? i dont get you
[14:53] <Pici> Use the Restricted Hardware Manager please....
[14:53] <sebastt> cant find it
[14:54] <sebastt> already look for it
[14:54] <Pici> System>Administration>Hardware Manager I thinjk
[14:54] <sebastt> hardware drivers only
[14:54] <Keule> maybe he is having the damn bug... i dont know at the moment.... where jockey-gtk doesnt work?
[14:54] <sebastt> y
[14:55] <Pici> sebastt: thats it, I dont have a Hardy system in front of me to check the exact wording.
[14:55] <sebastt> oh ok
[14:55] <sebastt> only my wifi driver is listed in there
[14:58] <sebastt> Pici: what can I do?
[14:58] <Pici> sebastt: What card do you have?
[14:58] <syu> Morning, Guys
[14:59] <gunashekar> hmm
[14:59] <syu> I can not start my desktop after resume from hibernate in 8.04
[14:59] <sebastt> ati mobile igp 320
[14:59] <gunashekar> it works for me
[15:00] <sebastt> Pici: Ati mobility igp 320 (radeon)
[15:00] <syu> I could be able to ssh to the box but I did not have desktop on my monitor
[15:00] <syu> how can I check from command line if gnome is startup or not?
[15:00] <bullgard4> Does there exist a GNOME tool to determine what screen resolution GNOME assumes?
[15:00] <Pici> sebastt: I dont believe that you need restricted drivers for the ati mobility chips anymore.
[15:01] <Pici> bullgard4: xrandr might be what you are looking for.. I'm not really sure though.
[15:02] <afallenhope> Where can I get the firmware for b43
[15:02] <sebastt> Pici: what should i do then
[15:02] <sebastt> afallenhope: had same problem, wait i will look for the instructions
[15:02] <afallenhope> sebastt:  thanks
[15:02] <gunashekar> my broadcom wireless stopped working too.. it worked in the earlier kernels
[15:03] <gunashekar> sebastt: tell me if you find any solution
[15:03] <sebastt> i did find
[15:03] <sebastt> its working now
[15:03] <Pici> sebastt: you'd need to reconfigure your xserver to put it back to the normal driver.
[15:04] <sebastt> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[15:04] <sebastt> tell me if it works
[15:04] <gunashekar> sebastt: i tried that
[15:04] <bullgard4> Pici: xrandr --prop obtains "1024x768+0+0 0mm x0mm". This is no resolution value. Still Hardy diplays my letters blurry with one exception: The framebuffer cosole does display them crisply.
[15:04] <sebastt> Pici: Im sorry but how do i do that?
[15:04] <gunashekar> it didnt work :(
[15:05] <sebastt> gunashekar: oh i see. I tried everything else and that was the only thing that worked
[15:05] <Pici> sebastt: Did your display work fine before you tried to manually install the drivers?
[15:05] <sebastt> yes
[15:05] <gunashekar> sebastt: it says b43-fwcutter is already the newest version
[15:06] <sebastt> its fine just everything is very slow and sluggish (i think thats the word)
[15:06] <sebastt> Pici: its fine just everything is very slow and sluggish (i think thats the word)
[15:06] <Pici> sebastt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:07] <afallenhope> sebastt: okay.. I did that.. now what lol.
[15:11] <Ahmuck> i'm using kubuntu hardy beta and have no audio hardware recognized.  does kubuntu have a hardware detection software like windows?
[15:12] <Turski> Ahmuck: lspci :)
[15:12] <sebastt> afallenhope: what about sudo /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[15:13] <sebastt> ok im going to restart. BRB
[15:13] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy all my GNOME locales except LC_ALL are de_DE.UTF-8. The GNOME terminal displays German umlauts correctly. Not so my consoles. How to troubleshoot?
[15:15] <sebastt> im back
[15:15] <sebastt> did it work guys?
[15:15] <gunashekar> sebastt: it installed something but is that all? are ary more steps needed
[15:16] <sebastt> try to restart
[15:16] <gunashekar> k
[15:16] <bullgard4> After Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy my GNOME terminal and Epiphany show letters blurry. Only my framebuffer console 1 and the GNOME menu items show them crystal-clean. Anti-Aliasing is not switched on. How to troubleshoot? (xdypinfo determines my screen dimensions by 10% wrong.)
[15:17] <kingcub> does anyone know what time the RC is going to be posted?
[15:17] <Ahmuck> lspci shows the audio hardware,  but it's not listed anywhere else
[15:18] <Ahmuck> for example, under kinfocenter, it shows "no information about the soundcard".
[15:18] <Ahmuck> and the audio subsystem is not being started
[15:19] <Ahmuck> the nForce Nivida Audio Processing Unit shows "access denied
[15:19] <gunashekar> :(
[15:20] <kingcub> sorry just read the chat logs, when it's done, got it
[15:21] <sebastt> gunashekar:
[15:21] <sebastt> gunashekar: wait im going to look for more info
[15:21] <gunashekar> sebastt: thanks
[15:22] <kingcub> RC release candidate info, no image or anything, just some info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=757157
[15:22] <Tyczek> hi... I got a problem... with hardy: http://wklej.org/id/0ef26de3d3
[15:22] <sebastt> gunashekar: try this   http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[15:23] <syu> I could be able to ssh to the box after resuming from hibranet but I did not have desktop on my monitor. how can I check from command line if gnome is startup or not?
[15:23] <gunashekar> sebastt: thank you
[15:23] <elektronik123>  i have idea about 8.04
[15:23] <elektronik123> include WINE
[15:23] <elektronik123> smart and simply
[15:23] <Finnish_> Aaargh
[15:24] <Finnish_> I'm experiencing 100% CPU usage
[15:24] <sebastt> gunashekar: mine worked just installing the fwcutter thing
[15:24] <Finnish_> And it seems Python is causing it
[15:24] <elektronik123> no problems with install and configure
[15:24] <basso_> "kill"
[15:24] <scizzo-> Finnish_: top tells you that?
[15:24] <elektronik123> is this good idea ?
[15:24] <gunashekar> sebastt: will try
[15:25] <Finnish_> scizzo-: top?
[15:25] <elektronik123> hym ?
[15:25] <scizzo-> elektronik123: what exactly is the idea?
[15:25] <scizzo-> Finnish_: type top in a terminal
[15:25] <scizzo-> Finnish_: it will show you the processes running
[15:26] <Finnish_> I'll do that next, it isn't doing it right now 'cause I did a reboot
[15:26] <Finnish_> But is it a common problem?
[15:26] <scizzo-> Finnish_: you can always keep top in one terminal open to see when the process is triggered
[15:27] <scizzo-> Finnish_: not sure check with launchpad there should be others having the same problem if it is known
[15:27] <elektronik123> i think to include wine to 8.04
[15:27] <scizzo-> elektronik123: wine is installable in 8.04
[15:27] <scizzo-> elektronik123: its not really a "standard" application
[15:27] <scizzo-> elektronik123: but it is there
[15:28] <scizzo-> elektronik123: its in the universe repos
[15:28] <elektronik123> maybe get it standard  ?
[15:28] <elektronik123> install ubuntu and go
[15:29] <elektronik123> without other installs
[15:29] <scizzo-> elektronik123: well I guess that has to do with licensing and so on for wine
[15:29] <afief_> elektronik123, Wine are planning for a 1.0 release soon, perhaps ubuntu should wait till then...
[15:29] <scizzo-> elektronik123: and to be honest I don't belive that _most_ people use wine that much.....
[15:30] <scizzo-> elektronik123: the 1.0 release is in june for wine....and until then I belive that even thinking of including it as a default package that is installed standard is not really ummm....good...
[15:31] <elektronik123> a lot of people has a lot of windows programs and don`t want lose it ..
[15:32] <elektronik123> standart wine was be a good idea
[15:32] <thoreauputic> scizzo-: wine is *really* foing to 1.0 ? That's a big one!
[15:32] <scizzo-> elektronik123: well like I said it all has to do with licensing also
[15:32] <scizzo-> thoreauputic: yes....in june
[15:32] <Pici> elektronik123: Wine is easily installable, we can't fit everything on the install CD.
[15:32] <Lamego> elektronik123, most of such programs have alternatives for Linux
[15:32] <thoreauputic> scizzo-: wow
[15:32] <scizzo-> thoreauputic: according to the notes for the wine 0.9.59 and so on
[15:32] <Ahmuck> xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
[15:32] <Lamego> scizzo-, it has nothing to do with licensing
[15:33] <scizzo-> Lamego: no?
[15:33] <thoreauputic> scizzo-: It's been what - nine years or something?
[15:33] <scizzo-> Lamego: hmmm
[15:33] <elektronik123> maybe script for auto instal ?
[15:33] <elektronik123> on desktop ?
[15:33] <Pici> elektronik123: Its in the repositories.
[15:33] <Lamego> elektronik123, there is no need for a script, it can be installed from the repositories, just as the other programs
[15:33] <elektronik123> configure is very hard
[15:33] <Lamego> elektronik123, you really should learn how to use linux and it's native apps before asking for wine :)
[15:34] <thoreauputic> !info wine hardy
[15:34] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.59-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 11455 kB, installed size 53620 kB
[15:34] <scizzo-> Lamego: maybe I am old but I belive that they had problems with keeping wine going for the fact of the dll and so on stuff before....not sure how it works now....
[15:34] <Lamego> elektronik123, is it hard to go to an Add/Remove on the menu ?
[15:34] <jackflap> over ten years, i vaguely recalling them hitting 10 years old a little while ago
[15:35] <scizzo-> thoreauputic: yep.....however now the coding seems to go towards implementing w32 calls in the kernel and so on....
[15:35] <elektronik123> install ist easy but configure
[15:35] <thoreauputic> scizzo-: wine is Free sofware actually :)
[15:35] <jackflap> wine truly IS an amazing project, the sheer amount of work that they've done, and to have started it such a long time ago, shows an incredible amount of foresight on their part
[15:35] <thoreauputic> jackflap: indeed
[15:36] <elektronik123> who can speak poland ?
[15:36] <Finnish_> Firefox is causing my CPU-spikes!!!
[15:36] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: you should get a menu entry - you can just install things from there I think. I don't use wine, but last time I tried it it was pretty easy to configure
[15:36] <thoreauputic> !pl
[15:36] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[15:36] <Ahmuck> your best bet is to use virtual box and windows xp
[15:37] <jackflap> but i agree, wine shouldnt be installed by default, linux needs to foster it's own ecosystem of software and not become reliant on windows libraries
[15:37] <thoreauputic> jackflap: agreed
[15:37] <Pici> jackflap: +1
[15:37] <mc-george> is the release candidate coming out today?
[15:37] <elektronik123> but auto install script with configure ?
[15:37] <thoreauputic> mc-george: umm - Real Soon Now (tm)
[15:38] <elektronik123> user can decide
[15:38] <mc-george> thoreauputic, in a few hours?
[15:38] <jackflap> microsoft definitely hasn't shown enough goodwill to the open source communities to be given that kind of benefit
[15:38] <thoreauputic> mc-george: I don't know exactly
[15:38] <mc-george> ok
[15:38] <CoasterMaster> RC is coming out today! YES! A great way to spend my Friday night
[15:38] <elektronik123> hym
[15:38] <mc-george> CoasterMaster, is it usually in the evening?
[15:39] <jackflap> lol, ive got a party to go to, and im kinda bummed out that i dont get to stay home with the rc tonight ;)
[15:39] <elektronik123> can we tell step by step hom install it ?
[15:39] <elektronik123> in console
[15:39] <yarihm> hi everyone. is the segfaulting of rc-update.d a known issue?
[15:39] <CoasterMaster> mc-george, not sure....it's just that if it happens during the day I'll be at work so I can't do anything
[15:39] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: try #ubuntu-pl - might be easier for you ?
[15:39] <yarihm> sorry, update-rc.d i mean
[15:39] <Pelo> morning folks,  anyone gets this : in nautilus icon view  the background gets all weird and fuzzy when you switch to deeper levels
[15:39] <elektronik123> i can`t join in
[15:39] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: why not?
[15:40] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: I just joined without a problem...
[15:40] <elektronik123> you have a blocade on this channel
[15:40] <thoreauputic> elektronik123:  /join #ubuntu-pl
[15:41] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: huh?
[15:41] <elektronik123> i can read this
[15:41] <Pelo> in nautilus icon view  the background gets all weird and fuzzy when you switch to deeper levels , does anyone else get this ?
[15:41] <Tyczek> thoreauputic, he cant join
[15:41] <Tyczek> thoreauputic, he has a ban...
[15:41] <thoreauputic> Tyczek: is he banned?
[15:41] <thoreauputic> ah!
[15:41] <Tyczek> yup
[15:41] <elektronik123> Tyczek odbanuj mnie prosze
[15:41] <Lamego> go guess why :P
[15:41] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: english here please
[15:41] <Tyczek> thoreauputic, and this fu**** kid is angrying whole people on channel
[15:42] <Tyczek> and sending pm's with favor to unban
[15:42] <thoreauputic> Tyczek: OK i didn't know
[15:42] <Pelo> elektronik123, what do you need to install ?
[15:42] <Pici> elektronik123: you'd need to contact the ops of that channel then.
[15:42] <elektronik123> wine but not in add/remove menu
[15:43] <Pelo> elektronik123, sudo apt-get install wine
[15:43] <elektronik123> i have wine but it isn`t work
[15:43] <Pelo> elektronik123, what is not working about it ?
[15:43] <Pici> elektronik123: What are you trying to install with wine?
[15:43] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: of course it works.
[15:44] <elektronik123> is not works
[15:44] <Pici> !doesntwork | elektronik123
[15:44] <ubotu> elektronik123: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[15:44] <levmatta> did anyone have a problem with Compiz and the Screensaver ??
[15:44] <elektronik123> error with intalation
[15:44] <Tyczek> Every user can add the key to repository and write sudo apt-get install wine
[15:44] <Pelo> elektronik123,  when you start a program withwine , the command is    wine /path/to/program.exe  no spaces if you can avoid it
[15:45] <elektronik123> how uninstall old wine ?
[15:45] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[15:45] <Pici> elektronik123: Old wine?
[15:45] <jbroome> pour it down the drain
[15:46] <elektronik123> this not working installation
[15:46] <Pelo> elektronik123, www.winhq.org/download/  get to the ubuntu section ,  scroll down to the bottom of the page and go in the archive link ,  you'll have all the older .deb packages there
[15:46] <Pici> Pelo: Why would he need those?
[15:46] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: it's hard to help you when you give so little information - no error messages etc.
[15:47] <elektronik123> i want uninstall old wersion ...
[15:47] <Pelo> Pici,  I don'T think he needs them but that is what he wants
[15:47] <Pelo> elektronik123, sudo apt-get remove wine --purge
[15:47] <thoreauputic> eldaria_: sudo apt-get remove --purge wine
[15:47] <elektronik123> ok moment
[15:47] <Pelo> elektronik123, then  sudo rm -rf ~/.wine
[15:47] <DanaG> wait
[15:47] <DanaG> don't rm
[15:47] <DanaG> move it instead.
[15:47] <Pici> elektronik123: That will remove anything you installed in wine though.
[15:48] <DanaG> Moving is safer -- then you can move stuff back.
[15:48] <Pelo> thoreauputic, the other way around
[15:48] <afallenhope> If I install something by source.. how do I uninstall it?
[15:48] <thoreauputic> Pelo: no, either way works  :)
[15:48] <Pelo> DanaG, he wants to start from scratch
[15:48] <thoreauputic> Pelo: believe me
[15:48] <DanaG> Just be sure it's what he wants.
[15:48] <mc-george> where would I go to download the rc when it comes out?
[15:48] <Ahmuck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/200338 - found the bug
[15:48] <elektronik123> i am deleting all
[15:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Fix released]
[15:48] <Pelo> afallenhope, ./configure,  make and sudo make uninstall
[15:49] <DanaG> I'm going offline for a while.  Will be back later.
[15:49] <gregory> mc-george: there will be links in the release notes
[15:49] <afallenhope> Pelo:  there was no ./configure though
[15:49] <mc-george> gregory, what release notes
[15:49] <gregory> mc-george: announcement to be more correct
[15:50] <Pelo> afallenhope, then just do the same as you did to install but finish with make uninstall
[15:50] <mc-george> gregory, is it recommended for the average 7.10 user?
[15:50] <afallenhope> oh ...what if I deleted the source lol
[15:50] <afallenhope> redownload?
[15:50] <Pelo> afallenhope, yes
[15:50] <afallenhope> w00t
[15:50] <afallenhope> ty
[15:50] <gregory> mc-george: final release yes, rc no
[15:51] <mc-george> gregory, isn't rc pretty much final, unless there is a huge bug?
[15:51] <elektronik123> wine ist deleted
[15:51] <elektronik123> is
[15:51]  * Pelo can'T get mp3splt to work properly , it's been like that for months now ,  all the files come us as invalid mp3 file 
[15:52] <gregory> mc-george: if there is you might be in trouble possibly maybe. thats why they make a rc before final release
[15:52] <elektronik123> what do now ?
[15:52] <Ahmuck> module "soundcore" does not exist in 2.6.24-12, but it does exist in 2.6.24-11. And it seems to be needed to load module "snd"
[15:52] <mc-george> gregory, I'm sure they list known probolems when its released
[15:52] <Pelo> elektronik123, install it back
[15:52] <elektronik123> how ?
[15:53] <Pelo> elektronik123, sudo apt-get install wine
[15:53] <elektronik123> not menu
[15:53] <Pelo> elektronik123, then  winecfg and it will be done
[15:53] <elektronik123> winecfg what is ?
[15:53] <elektronik123> a config
[15:53] <Pelo> elektronik123, it configures wine after you install it
[15:54] <gregory> mc-george: yes, but only referring to final or 7.10 as base
[15:54] <elektronik123> it is downloading
[15:54] <irelinquish> hey does anyone have samba working in 8.04?
[15:54] <mc-george> gregory, ok thanks, I might try it anyway, as I'm having severe problems with 7.1 anyways
[15:55] <Keule> i know its asked 1000 times - but... is there a time when RC is ready for upgrade?
[15:55] <rendetrabajo> irelinquish, i do not use samba, but i see a lot of errors about it in some logs, may be buggy
[15:55] <bazhang> Pelo: what is mp3splt?
[15:55] <irelinquish> thanks rendetrabojo, i can't get it set up at all
[15:56] <Pelo> Keule, RC s suppose to come out in the next 48 hrs
[15:56] <VSpike> I'm having a problem with sshfs.  If the network link drops out, anything that tries to access the mount becomes locked, until the machine has to be restarted.  I dont think this is normal behaviour.  Can anyone confirm or deny?
[15:56] <Keule> ok - so not today, i've read so far - thx Pelo
[15:56] <Pelo> bazhang, takes large mp3 and ogg files and cuts them down into bitesize chunks
[15:56] <bazhang> Pelo: aha thanks
[15:56] <mc-george> bazhang, you were the one helping me with my wifi card right?
[15:57] <Pelo> Keule, it's the rumor I've heard,  it's only 6 days until the officiall anyway , be patient
[15:57] <bazhang> mc-george: aye; how goes it?
[15:57] <Keule> what is a rumor Pelo?
[15:57] <gregory> Keule: leo.de
[15:57] <Keule> :)
[15:57] <Pelo> Keule, earsay ?
[15:57] <mc-george> bazhang, I got it to work, but every time I reboot it goes away, and I can only fix it by unplugging the wifi card, plugging it back in, then rebooting, then it works right off that bad, but only until my comp reboots again
[15:58] <Keule> thx a lot Pelo
[16:00] <Keule> Pelo i asked - cause i havent got any updates since more than 24 hours - and i thought its a fault of my packet-manager
[16:00] <Pelo> Keule, probably just busy makeing the rc stuff
[16:00] <Keule> ok i see - so i wait :) !
[16:01] <Pelo> can anyone browser in nautilus , in icon view mode and tell me if the background of the window gets weird when they go in to deeper levels
[16:01] <mc-george> bazhang, any ideas?
[16:02] <awalton__> Pelo, doesn't happen here. can you be more descriptive?
[16:03] <Tyczek> I can't unpack any tar... http://wklej.org/id/2762395e35
[16:04] <Pelo> awalton__, I have a background in nautilus,  ( like a little motif wallpaper for the app), when I get into deeper levels , speicaly some that might be being written to , the background gets muddles, looks like a monitor with the wrong refresh rate, but just in that window
[16:04] <Keule> Pelo my background does the same...
[16:04] <Pelo> Keule, thanks , at least I know I'M not nuts
[16:04]  * Pelo is happy it's not just him 
[16:04] <Keule> maybe its a feature :D
[16:04] <awalton__> definitely not a feature...
[16:05] <awalton__> very very strange bug.
[16:05] <Pelo> awalton__, getting the same ?
[16:05] <awalton__> not at all
[16:05] <awalton__> I haven't even seen a bug like that reported, which is why it's so strange.
[16:05] <RoC_MasterMind> RC is today...anybody know the time ?
[16:06] <awalton__> Pelo, mind throwing the background image on an image share somewhere?
[16:06] <Keule> hehe RoC_MasterMind the next 48 hours
[16:06] <Pelo> awalton__, ppl who file bug reports maybe too 1337 to use nautilus in icon view with backgrounds
[16:06] <ph8> hey all; if i setup a proxy during install is it easy to remove again once the machine's up and running?
[16:06] <Pelo> awalton__, hold on
[16:06] <awalton__> Pelo, it's part of my smoke-testing procedure, and I haven't seen it :-/
[16:07] <awalton__> also, what kind of video hardware are you using?
[16:07] <darthanubis> cheese n rice, I'm tired of ppl crying for the RC. You google or something?
[16:07] <darthanubis> RoC_MasterMind, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[16:07] <Pelo> awalton__, intel 856g or whatever the exaxt number is
[16:07] <awalton__> Keule, intel as well?
[16:08] <mc-george> darthanubis, is it released?
[16:08] <Keule> awalton__:  intel yes - if you mean the nautilus bug
[16:08] <jmichaelx> so, has the 8.04 RC been delayed a bit?
[16:08] <Pelo> awalton__, http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=navigateurdefichiersld8.png
[16:08] <darthanubis> mc-george, does your browser work?
[16:08] <mc-george> yes
[16:08] <awalton__> Keule, indeed I do.
[16:08] <Pelo> awalton__, should be a little green line background
[16:08] <darthanubis> why don't you click the link?
[16:09] <mc-george> darthanubis, ibecause it hasn't been announced
[16:09] <jbroome> oh snap
[16:09] <awalton__> Pelo, that's definitely a bug ;)
[16:09] <awalton__> do you have the image that created it?
[16:09] <Pelo> awalton__, no kidding
[16:09] <darthanubis> mc-george, you just going to ingnore the link then?
[16:09] <Pelo> awalton__, what ?
[16:09] <awalton__> the background I mean
[16:09] <mc-george> darthanubis, no...
[16:10] <awalton__> Pelo, it'd also be a huge help if you'd file that in launchpad so we can track it
[16:10] <VSpike> can I stop nautilus opening a window for new fuse mounts?
[16:10] <lakin> anyone use synergy?  Since upgrading to hardy heron on both the server and the client , I'm getting consistent lag with it ...
[16:10] <mc-george> darthanubis, is it a livecd too?
[16:10]  * darthanubis ugh
[16:10] <mc-george> what?
[16:10] <Pelo> awalton__, I'm not registered on launchpad
[16:11] <awalton__> Pelo, my ten second diagnosis is that it's gotta be cairo->xrender's fault, but that one will really take some digging by someone with an intel card (not me, sadly)
[16:11] <Pelo> awalton__, is this what you mean by "image that created it"  http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturedownloadsnavigatqh5.png
[16:11] <Assid> heya
[16:11] <awalton__> Pelo, good enough
[16:12] <awalton__> Pelo, I just meant the background image.. to make sure it wasn't corrupt/loaded incorrectly/etc.
[16:12] <mc-george> darthanubis, I seriously don't know, i didn't see livecd anywhere
[16:12] <Pelo> awalton__, it's new since I got the beta , and it's a very random , took me a few mintutes to get it to manifest this time
[16:12] <darthanubis> mc-george, I don't know whats wrong with you
[16:12] <darthanubis> can you read the topic?
[16:12] <fiXXXerMet> Having a problem with the Zoneminder package.  I can install it, add cameras, etc, but I can't view the stream from the cameras - shows a box with a broken-link image.
[16:12] <elektronik123> wine is installed what now ?
[16:12] <thoreauputic> Pelo: regitering on launchpad is pretty straightforward :) And bug reports are useful...
[16:12] <lup0> so the RC is out?
[16:12] <hwilde> any clues on these errors from apt-get?  I already did locale-conf and dpkg-reconfigure locales  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m42f1f48
[16:13] <RoC_MasterMind> so the 8.04 RC is out then!
[16:13] <elektronik123> what now ?
[16:13] <lup0> is it available also in the repos?
[16:13] <darthanubis> lup0, read the topic
[16:13] <elektronik123> hallo
[16:13] <Pelo> !launcpad
[16:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about launcpad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:13] <Pelo> !launchpad
[16:13] <thoreauputic> !launchpad
[16:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[16:13] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[16:13] <awalton__> Pelo, it'd also help me quite a bit on this one, since we do get an absolute ton of nautilus bugs every day and I can't keep them all in my head.
[16:14] <thoreauputic> Pelo: an easy shortcut to the bug tracker is bugs.ubuntu.com BTW
[16:14] <awalton__> Pelo, it'd also be helpful if you could try and see if other applications manifest this, e.g. if you load the same image in firefox and hit refresh a few times will it eventually go corrupt
[16:14] <darthanubis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[16:14] <bazhang> Pelo: will try some mp3 splitters later in the day and let you know; getting an audiobook lined up atm--there is another app called mp3 splitter which may work as well
[16:16] <Pelo> bazhang, not that I ,know off,   you'll need to get mp3plt-gtk from their website , mp3plit is just cli and it is hellish
[16:16] <elektronik123> ale jazda
[16:16] <katad0t1s> hi how can i upgrade to hardy?
[16:16] <elektronik123> nic nie dziala
[16:16] <Assid> is it me of is releases.ubuntu going slow
[16:16] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[16:16] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[16:16] <bazhang> okay cheers Pelo will continue to look for a solution
[16:16] <draginxx> hmm dang, Im doing the upgrade now but I did it BEFORE they released this I think >.> You think I'll just need a smallpatch after this (I think I'm getting the beta 4..but it did say Release Candidate on the notice)
[16:17] <katad0t1s> thoreauputic, there is no info on how to upgrade
[16:17] <Pelo> awalton__, I've resigtered,  any suggestion on where I would put this bug report ?
[16:17] <Assid> bazhang: private message ?
[16:17] <katad0t1s> I am on gutsy and want to upgrade to hardy rc
[16:17] <bazhang> Assid: sure
[16:17] <Pelo> awalton__, nevermind
[16:17] <awalton__> Pelo, just register it against Nautilus in Ubuntu for now.
[16:18] <lup0> katad0t1s: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu <- There's the kubuntu info
[16:18] <lup0> katad0t1s: don't know about ubuntu though
[16:18] <Pelo> awalton__, i think there is already a bug on this
[16:18] <DB42> hi
[16:19] <DB42> just upgraded my laptop to 8.04
[16:19] <DB42> and wifi is dead
[16:19] <katad0t1s> lup0,  i dont think that works for ubuntu
[16:19] <Assid> you guys need mirrors during release party?
[16:19] <bazhang> DB42: which card and chipset
[16:19] <DB42> it seems iwl3945 doesn't wanna play nice with my wifi card
[16:19] <Pelo> awalton__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/191220
[16:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191220 in nautilus "Nautilus shows garbadged background image" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[16:19] <DB42> bazhang: Broadcom
[16:19] <mc-george> bazhang?
[16:19] <DB42> how do i check the exact device ?
[16:20] <thoreauputic> katad0t1s: the procedure is the same for hardy as fro gutsy as far as I know - try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[16:20] <DB42> (it worked in 7.10 with ipw3945, not iwl3945)
[16:20] <awalton__> Pelo, thanks
[16:20] <DB42> it's a lenovo 3000 n100 laptop (pretty popular)
[16:20] <bazhang> DB42: broadcom? that would not use the iwl3945 (intel card)
[16:20] <DB42> bazhang: hmm maybe i'm mistkane
[16:20] <bazhang> lspci DB42
[16:20] <DB42> ahh, broadcom is bluetooth prolly
[16:21] <ampex> wow, no updates today!
[16:21] <DB42> yes
[16:21] <ampex> development is slowing?
[16:21] <Assid> wont be now i guess
[16:21] <DB42> bazhang: it's a Intel Coprporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[16:21] <Assid> its now "stopped" afaik
[16:21] <siriusnova> hardy out yet?
[16:21] <siriusnova> :))
[16:21] <Pici> ampex: the RC was just released.
[16:21] <bazhang> DB42: you got a wifi hotspot to test it on?
[16:21] <siriusnova> it was
[16:21] <siriusnova> siick
[16:21] <siriusnova> where
[16:21] <DB42> bazhang: yes, but it doesn't work
[16:21] <Pici> !topic
[16:21] <darthanubis> siriusnova, read the topic
[16:21]  * thoreauputic looks at siriusnova 
[16:21] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[16:21] <DB42> as i said iwl is faulting hard in kernel
[16:21] <siriusnova> yay
[16:22] <darthanubis> noone reads the topic? :(
[16:22]  * siriusnova downloads before anyone else can
[16:22] <bazhang> siriusnova: easy on the enter key
[16:22] <thoreauputic> darthanubis: that's practically a law of nature :)
[16:22] <DB42> bazhang: i get the same problems witrh iwl that i got in 7.10
[16:22] <DB42> can i move to ipw in 8.04 ?
[16:23] <bazhang> DB42: does ifconfig show the entry for that card?
[16:23] <DB42> bazhang: yes, but once i try using it i get soem microcode error in the wifi firmware
[16:23] <DB42> and it doesn't work
[16:23] <DB42> had same problem in 7.10 when i tried to move from ipw to ipl
[16:23] <bazhang> DB42: this is a fresh install or an upgrade
[16:23] <DB42> upgrade
[16:23] <siriusnova> umm
[16:23] <siriusnova> that's the beta guys
[16:24] <siriusnova> not the RC, RC iso isnt on the mirror
[16:24] <bazhang> microcode might be conflicting then; I got that same card and it is great
[16:24] <DB42> i get iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008.
[16:24] <Pici> siriusnova: Which mirror are you looking at?
[16:24] <siriusnova> Pico http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04
[16:24] <DB42> bazhang: could be, but i have a popular laptop, and surely lots of ppl will freak out when no wifi
[16:24] <Pici> siriusnova: those have -rc- in their filenames
[16:24] <bazhang> DB42: aye get rid of all that and just use the iwl only
[16:24] <DB42> iwl3945: Error Reply type 0x00000005 cmd REPLY_SCAN_CMD (0x80) seq 0x4418 ser 0x0000004B
[16:25] <siriusnova> Pici - they dont
[16:25] <DB42> bazhang: iwl only ?
[16:25] <bazhang> DB42: yes
[16:25] <Pici> siriusnova: they do on my screen.
[16:25] <DB42> what do u mean ?
[16:25] <hwilde> any clues on these errors from apt-get?  I already did locale-conf and dpkg-reconfigure locales  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m42f1f48
[16:25] <bazhang> DB42: no ipw just the iwl
[16:25] <siriusnova> o_O - not on mine, what link are you looking at?
[16:25] <Pelo> later folks
[16:25] <DB42> bazhang: i am using iwl ...
[16:25] <bazhang> cya pelo
[16:25] <DB42> i want to rever to ipw somehow, since that only seems to work
[16:26] <DB42> but 8.04 doesn't have ipw..
[16:26] <Pici> siriusnova: press ctrl-f5 , see if its a browser cache issue
[16:27] <bazhang> DB42: could you pastebin lsmod?
[16:27] <DB42> not without connection :|
[16:27] <siriusnova> Pici - I did, the link on that page goes to http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[16:27] <DB42> can i reboot the 7.10 kernel with 8.04 ?
[16:27] <alexandre> Release candidate out :) nice
[16:27] <bazhang> DB42: no way to get ethernet to that
[16:27] <DB42> blah, i'll go looking for ethernet..
[16:27] <Pici> siriusnova: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[16:28] <DB42> but still, where can i get ipw for my kernel ? compile it ?
[16:28] <bazhang> DB42: how about just using the livecd
[16:28] <Assid> why not just wait for a few days
[16:28] <Assid> and get the final
[16:28] <siriusnova> The requested URL /releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server.
[16:28] <Pici> siriusnova: Could be a mirror issue
[16:28] <siriusnova> :(
[16:28] <DB42> nm, brb, i'll compile ipw for my kernel, and conenct via laptop here and post the stuf
[16:28] <DB42> f
[16:28] <DB42> maybe even open a bug on launchpad
[16:28] <Assid> why is everyone in a hurry
[16:28] <DB42> brb
[16:28] <Pici> Assid: I have no idea.
[16:28] <bazhang> DB42: if you have the livecd for gutsy that would be enough
[16:28]  * Assid will help mirror the final
[16:28] <whitehawk> there is no RC still
[16:29] <mc-george> whitehawk, there is
[16:29] <Pici> whitehawk: topic.
[16:29] <mc-george> read topic
[16:29] <darthanubis> its coming out slowly as I was able to get the iso
[16:29] <Pici> Its still being synced to all the mirros though.
[16:29] <darthanubis> right
[16:29] <bazhang> #ubuntu is the stealth hardyites; here is 'whereisrc' ;]
[16:30] <Assid> Pici:  ytou a mirror manager?
[16:30] <jackflap> nice, looks like we'll get it before end of business day here in the uk
[16:30] <Pici> Assid: no, but I can the the rc when I go to the site, but someone else here cannot.
[16:30] <Keule> torrent is damn slow...
[16:30] <alexandre> Which mirror already have the RC?
[16:31] <whitehawk> I need the rc now, I have no time.. the alarms will go on in the school in an hour
[16:31] <whitehawk> can someone give me a working link?
[16:31] <Pici> whitehawk: Is it on fire?
[16:31] <whitehawk> no but will close
[16:31]  * Assid is thinking if he should mirror the RC
[16:31] <whitehawk> I am the only one here now
[16:32] <jbroome> you people realize that you can download any hardy iso and update it and you'll be on the rc?
[16:32] <bazhang> what is the hubbub about the rc? just get the beta and update and rc
[16:32] <jackflap> we've beem asked by the developers not to download the isos until an announcement has been made to the mailing list
[16:32] <marx2k> some people like a clean install I guess
[16:32] <whitehawk> jbroome, you realize, that there are about 500 updates?
[16:32] <Assid> jbroome: yeah but they "HAVE TO HAVE" the latest
[16:32] <alexandre> jbroome: I know I was going to install a daily build... but prefer to have the latest and greatest
[16:33] <bazhang> get the nightly build from two days ago
[16:33] <jbroome> tards
[16:33] <jackflap> by interrogating their mirrors for isos, we'll be affecting the mirror syncing
[16:33] <fbn> hi, how long until RC1 will be out?
[16:33] <whitehawk> they say it is out
[16:33] <whitehawk> :/
[16:33] <fbn> uh? where can I get it?
[16:33] <Assid> http://ircarc.com/freenode-ubuntu/6551.html -- #58 - that was me
[16:34] <mc-george> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ go there to down it
[16:34] <darthanubis> jackflap, thank you
[16:34] <Keule> will the new kernel come along with 8.04 or is it the old one?
[16:34] <siriusnova> lol wow im getting 5KB/s
[16:34] <Assid> still trying to think  which mirror manager i spoke to
[16:34] <AlexC_> morning all,
[16:35] <siriusnova> its getting hammered and im on a university pipe
[16:35] <Pici> Wasnt me.
[16:35] <siriusnova> i think i will wait :P
[16:35] <AlexC_> just wondering if the RC is still on-track for being released today?
[16:35]  * siriusnova points AlexC_ to the topic before anyone else does :P
[16:35] <Pici> AlexC_: /topic
[16:35] <bazhang> topic AlexC_
[16:35] <AlexC_> it doesn't mention it :P
[16:35] <Pici> AlexC_: Read it again
[16:36] <Keule> i have about 50kB/s
[16:36] <Assid> ?
[16:36] <mc-george> 180 here
[16:36] <Keule> but up.... hehe via torrent
[16:36] <fbn> mc-george: it still says BETA
[16:36] <mc-george> nope
[16:36] <fbn> mc-george: or is there a link to the RC?
[16:36] <whitehawk> for me too
[16:36] <mc-george> mine doesnt
[16:36] <siriusnova> started out at 50KB/s now I am getting 400KB/s :)
[16:36] <Pici> Some of the mirros are still syncing, be patient.
[16:36] <Assid> anyone here a mirror manager by chance?
[16:36] <AlexC_> Pici, yes, it gives link to where it can be downloaded from - however, a post in the forums advisees not to download them until official announcement
[16:36]  * Pici can't spell mirror properly today
[16:36] <moffajenko> The release has been announced, so I guess it could be updated: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-April/000110.html
[16:36] <mc-george> ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[16:36] <fbn> Pici: it's the page, not the mirror
[16:36] <whitehawk> siriusnova, can you send it over
[16:36] <whitehawk> :D
[16:37] <Pici> fbn: No, because I see -rc- releases on my mirror
[16:37] <darthanubis> you guys are acting like crack fiends over this RC
[16:37] <mc-george> ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[16:37] <siriusnova> we are crack fiends
[16:37] <siriusnova> what's wrong with that
[16:37] <siriusnova> :P
[16:37] <darthanubis> it's kinda creepy
[16:37] <darthanubis> but good for ubuntu and linux
[16:37] <alexandre> didn't see the list of mirror on the RC annoucement
[16:37] <alexandre> stupid me
[16:37] <darthanubis> ubuntu is killing on distrowatch ranking
[16:38] <siriusnova> im wiping my vista box for hardy heron so :P
[16:38] <thoreauputic> darthanubis: just wait for the total madness on release day ;0
[16:38] <alexandre> http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ DL at 1MB/s (full speed of my line)
[16:38] <fbn> Pici: but they will first update the ubuntu.com webpage, won't they?
[16:38] <elektronik123> shit
[16:38] <thoreauputic> elektronik123: language please
[16:38] <AlexC_> Pici, are those safe to download, or not?
[16:38] <darthanubis> thoreauputic, I know, thats why I stay way ahead of the curve
[16:38] <fbn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ says beta and links to beta iso's
[16:38] <darthanubis> I install the new versions before the hype
[16:39] <darthanubis> and never download the finals
[16:39] <darthanubis> all upgrade baby
[16:39] <thoreauputic> darthanubis: I only do bittorrent - mainly to help seed since I already have all updates anyway
[16:39] <darthanubis> right
[16:39] <Assid> pici : you run a mirror ?
[16:39] <Pici> Assid: No
[16:39] <Assid> k
[16:39] <darthanubis> :/
[16:39] <Pici> fbn: not necessarily
[16:39] <Pici> AlexC_: yes
[16:40] <AlexC_> Pici, ok, thanks
[16:40] <darthanubis> crazy
[16:40] <fbn> Pici: so which mirror already has the RC1 iso? :)
[16:40] <Pici> http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ has -rc on it, the rest of the mirrors are still syncing
[16:40] <darthanubis> the mirrors that lets you download it
[16:40] <Assid> screw it.. i;ll mirror the final :P
[16:40] <elektronik123> i am idiot i can`t install it
[16:40] <darthanubis> Pici said the mirrors are being synced guys
[16:40] <elektronik123> mybe i kill yourself
[16:40] <darthanubis> that means it is hit or miss until they are synced
[16:41] <darthanubis> we need a dictionary bot
[16:41] <darthanubis> watch him ask
[16:41] <draginxx> Pici, if I download the Beta 4 right now, do I have to redownload everything to get R1? Or just the few packages that were updated?
[16:42] <Keule> ﻿i have 75 kB/s up i hope that helps the torrent users!
[16:42] <Pici> draginxx: You will only need to update to get the beta, but why download the beta now if the RC is out?
[16:42] <thoreauputic> Yes, join the torrent and help out :)
[16:42] <Assid> you guys running out of bandwith ?
[16:42] <draginxx> Pici, because I started downloading last night? lol
[16:42] <thoreauputic> Keule: that helps a lot - many people have less upstream than that
[16:42] <darthanubis> damn, you on 56k?
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> its not even released yet :P
[16:42] <Derspankster> no updates today?
[16:42] <Keule> 110 kB/s thats almost everything my 16mbit gives :)
[16:43] <elektronik123> help me
[16:43] <draginxx> darthanubis, more like... 20kbps which is shitty so its 56k x 4 :P
[16:43] <darthanubis> Derspankster, no because the RC is rolling out
[16:43] <siriusnova> ouch
[16:43] <elektronik123> i can`t i can`t
[16:43] <mc-george> keule: I will be adding gigabit seedbox soon
[16:43] <Keule> i would use µtorrent - its the best!
[16:43] <siriusnova> 56k x 4 ?
[16:43] <siriusnova> lol
[16:43] <DB42> gr8
[16:43] <draginxx> Yessir ;)
[16:43] <Keule> transmissions is slow as hell
[16:43] <DB42> upgraded my laptop to 8.04 and i have no ethernet and no wifi :( :( :(
[16:43] <darthanubis> I hate transmission
[16:43] <siriusnova> 4 isps ? or how are you managing that?
[16:43] <darthanubis> and use deluge
[16:43] <darthanubis> fastest
[16:44] <mc-george> siriusnova, seedbox
[16:44] <Derspankster> darthanubis: then there shouldn't be any difference between a system updated yesterday and the RC
[16:44] <DB42> bazhang: here ?
[16:44] <bazhang> DB42: aye
[16:44] <draginxx> siriusnova, the speed mate..
[16:44] <siriusnova> oh ok
[16:44] <DB42> bazhang: no eth no wifi
[16:44] <darthanubis> Derspankster, right, but the mirrors and repos need synched no?
[16:44] <Derspankster> eventually
[16:44] <darthanubis> bingo
[16:44] <bazhang> DB42: what about loading the live cd
[16:44] <Keule> darthanubis: deluge - i never heard about it
[16:45] <darthanubis> !google
[16:45] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[16:45] <DB42> bazhang: need to find it...
[16:45] <DB42> bazhang: how can i downgrade to ipw in 2.6.24 ?
[16:45] <Alan> Hmmm, does than mean RC1 is out?
[16:45] <darthanubis> !info deluge-torrent hardy | Keule
[16:45] <DB42> i can't compile it ..
[16:45] <ubotu> keule: deluge-torrent (source: deluge-torrent): A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.8.6-1 (hardy), package size 2331 kB, installed size 6576 kB
[16:45] <darthanubis> Alan, topic
[16:45] <Alan> Also, if RC1 is out, where is the CD? I can only find the beta
[16:45] <Keule> google deluge - and theres a hardy deb on the website
[16:45] <Alan> darthanubis, that's what i thought...
[16:45] <Alan> But the links are all to the beta
[16:46] <DB42> bazhang: is there a ipw3945 .deb i can d/l for 8.04 ?
[16:46] <darthanubis> Alan, synching
[16:46] <Pici> Alan: The mirrors are still syncing, you can get it http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ if you need it though
[16:46] <elektronik123> HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
[16:46] <fbn> Alan: it's not yet synced to all mirrors
[16:46] <fbn> elektronik123: what's your problem?
[16:46] <darthanubis> elektronik123, that does not help
[16:46] <Alan> ah, fair enough :)  thanks for the link Pici
[16:46] <Alan> I couldn't find the local mirror list either
[16:46] <darthanubis> !patience | elektronik123
[16:46] <ubotu> elektronik123: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:47] <bazhang> DB42: should not need it; that card is supported in the kernel afaik
[16:47] <Keule> sure darthanubis i found deluge but i neverheard about it - is it better or similar to µtorrent?
[16:47] <DB42-> ok, i'm here in wifi in 2.6.22
[16:47] <Alan> I'll be nice and torrent instead of HTTP :)
[16:47] <DB42-> should not need what ?
[16:47] <darthanubis> lol utorrent, are you sure your in the right channel?
[16:47] <hwilde> help I uninstalled something important and now dmesg says:  [   63.542490] cs: pcmcia_socket1: cardbus cards are not supported.
[16:47] <DB42-> iwl isn't working it's a fact....
[16:48] <darthanubis> Pici, thx
[16:48] <Alan> good idea Pici :)
[16:48] <Pici> darthanubis: They wont read it anyway, but it makes me feel better.
[16:48] <darthanubis> Pici, true
[16:48] <DB42-> bazhang, you an ubuntu devel ?
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> at least we can get mad and point them to !topic now ;)
[16:48] <Alan> Pici, i always read, but that's why I was confused when i was ending up with the wrong cd :)
[16:48] <bazhang> DB42-: haha no
[16:48] <DB42-> what do you need to know why iwl isn't working ?
[16:48] <darthanubis> nosrednaekim, right
[16:49]  * darthanubis hes going to ask
[16:49]  * darthanubis wait for it
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> DB42-: My freind had a problem with that... he needed the generic kernel instead of the i386 one
[16:49] <mc-george> I just got the rc!!!! will be seeding on gigabit seedbox now
[16:49] <Pici> yay
[16:49] <darthanubis> :)
[16:49] <DB42> nosrednaekim: problem with what ?
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> DB42: iwl wireless
[16:50] <bazhang> DB42: listen to nosrednaekim
[16:50] <slanning> is there a way I can know what packages "should" be installed in hardy? because I don't see any error, but there is definitely something missing (still, after more than 10 days, me again, hello) - namely everything but the mouse
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> DB42: (if thats intel)
[16:50] <DB42> nosrednaekim: ok i'll try it after posting a bug report
[16:50] <ming> hi guys, a noob question: how do u find a intel video card driver and install it in ubuntu?
[16:50] <DB42> what do i need to put in it besides lspci and dmesg ?
[16:50] <darthanubis> slanning, why not just install ubuntu-desktop?
[16:51] <darthanubis> !info ubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop (source: ubuntu-meta): The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.100 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> !info xorg-driver-intel
[16:51] <ubotu> Package xorg-driver-intel does not exist in hardy
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> ming: should be included in the xorg packages
[16:51] <slanning> if that works, darthanubis - I will be so happy..... :)
[16:51] <alexandre> Do you need to do anything for Intel cards ?? Shouldn't it work right out of the box
[16:51] <darthanubis> slanning, keep us posted :)
[16:51] <DB42> what do i need to put in it besides lspci and dmesg ?
[16:51] <slanning> in fact, it's not installed... - my theory is that some update uninstalled something, and now that's looking like a good candidate.. :)
[16:52] <darthanubis> lshw
[16:52] <ming> i am very new to linux, can u varified xorg packages?? and what do i type in the terminal?
[16:52] <darthanubis> ming, rephrase
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> ming: if you are running a graphical envoronment.. you have them ;) whats the problem exactly?
[16:53] <ming> well, its very slow in graphic programes such as games, ex: using win xp and run war3 with no problem, but with wine and run war 3 and the graphic lag
[16:53] <Derspankster> anyone know is Hardy Final is going out with FF3 beta?
[16:53] <DB42> is there an IPW3945 PACKAGE for UBUNTU 8.04 ??
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> DB42: no
[16:54] <Pici> DB42: no
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> DB42: its in linux-ubuntu-modules-generic I believe
[16:54] <scorpion_> hi
[16:54] <Pici> DB42: its handled by iwl3945 now
[16:54] <DB42> Pici: yes, but iwl3945 isn't working with default kernel ..
[16:54] <scorpion_> I could need some support
[16:54] <scorpion_> with my notebook :/
[16:54] <DB42> on my laptop that is..
[16:54] <Pici> DB42: What kernel do you have installed?
[16:54] <DB42> latest, just upgrade my laptop to 8.04
[16:55] <slanning> oh no.... I was sure it was going to work this time..... :(
[16:55] <Assid> anyone know the average swarm speed on the torrents?
[16:55] <DB42> Pici: 2.6.24-16
[16:55] <peeps[work]> does someone know what scrollkeeper is?
[16:55] <Pici> DB42: -i386 or -generic ?
[16:55] <DB42> Pici: i'm getting microcode errors with iwl and my wifi isn't working
[16:55] <DB42> -i386
[16:55] <DB42> sorry
[16:55] <Pici> DB42: Install -generic
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> DB42: use generic
[16:55] <DB42> -generic
[16:55] <darthanubis> !info scrollkeeper | peeps[work]
[16:55] <ubotu> peeps[work]: scrollkeeper (source: scrollkeeper): A free electronic cataloging system for documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.14-15ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 150 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[16:55] <DB42> just checked, it's -generic
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:55] <DB42> anyhow, i'm posting a bug report
[16:56] <DB42> in launchpad
[16:56] <DB42> what do i need besides lspci lsusb dmesg ?
[16:56] <peeps[work]> darthanubis, i'm getting tons of errors in some scrollkeeper related file when I do updates
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> DB42: uname -a
[16:56] <peeps[work]> parse errors in an xml
[16:56] <darthanubis> !google | peeps[work] the error
[16:56] <ubotu> peeps[work] the error: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[16:57] <Assid> err whats a good ncurses based torrent client on debian ? im gonna seed on one of my boxes
[16:57] <darthanubis> peeps[work], once you allow google to narrow down the error, you can then have a more detailed query to ask?
[16:57] <bazhang> Assid: rtorrent is cli based for ubuntu
[16:57] <hwilde> which module handles pcmcia cardbus wireless ?
[16:57] <darthanubis> !info rtorrent
[16:57] <ubotu> rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 346 kB, installed size 968 kB
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> hwilde: that would be two drivers... cardbus, and the one for the wireless cipset
[16:58] <hyperair> hi. is it possible to kill an "uninterruptible" process?
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> hyperair: try -9
[16:58] <hyperair> doesn't work
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> is it a zombie?
[16:59] <hwilde> !find cardbus hardy
[16:59] <ubotu> No packages matching 'cardbus' could be found
[16:59] <hyperair> for some strange reason when i closed totem earlier, its cpu usage hit 100%
[16:59] <hwilde> :/
[16:59] <hyperair> or near there
[16:59] <hyperair> and i can't kill it
[16:59] <hyperair> killall -9 totem
[16:59] <hyperair> doesn't work
[16:59] <hyperair> also the state is "uninterruptible"
[16:59] <hyperair> doesn't say anything to do with zombie
[16:59] <hwilde> nosrednaekim, apparently I uninstalled cardbus.   do you know which package provides it?
[16:59] <darthanubis> !search torrent
[16:59] <ubotu> Found: bittorent, dvd-torrent-#kubuntu, apt-torrent, deluge, gutsy, bittorrent, dvd-torrent, slow, deluge really, torrents
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> try doing it with the process number
[17:00] <hyperair> did that too
[17:00] <hyperair> didn't work
[17:00] <Assid> man .its slow as hell
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> "kill -9 processnumber"
[17:00] <DB42> Pici: ok i've submitted bug report with my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219268
[17:00] <hyperair> didn't work
[17:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219268 in ubuntu "iwl3945 doesn't work with my wifi card (ipw3945 did)" [Undecided,New]
[17:00] <nosrednaekim> hyperair: ok
[17:00] <hwilde> hyperair, sudo kill -9 `pidof processnamehere`
[17:00] <hyperair> tried that
[17:00] <hyperair> didn't work either
[17:00] <hyperair> sudo only works if you don't have permissions to kill it
[17:01] <hyperair> also this happens rather randomly
[17:01] <scorpion_> can some one help me to get 3d support to my HP 530 (gma950)
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> hwilde: nope, I have no clue... probably a kernel related package I would guess
[17:01] <hyperair> i can't reproduce it
[17:01] <hyperair> =\
[17:01] <hyperair> also... it happened once in the past
[17:01] <hyperair> quite some time back
[17:01] <DB42> bazhang: check out that bug report
[17:01] <DB42> see if anything is missing
[17:01] <Assid> okay .. pumping 270K/sec into the torrent..
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> does logging out work?
[17:01] <hyperair> heh
[17:01] <hyperair> restarting doesn't work
[17:01] <hyperair> xD
[17:02] <darthanubis> !anyone | scorpion_
[17:02] <ubotu> scorpion_: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[17:02] <afallenhope> hey how do I configure the accounts in Evolution?
[17:02] <bazhang> db42 what does uname -r report
[17:02] <hyperair> it hangs at the last message in the usplash
[17:02] <hyperair> um something like halting or something of that sort
[17:02] <darthanubis> afallenhope, read the documentation, after you find it on google
[17:02] <DB42> bazhang: i need to reboot it for that :|
[17:02] <DB42> i can't have wifi + that kernel
[17:02] <hyperair> also pressing buttons in the GNOME shutdown dialog doesn't work
[17:02] <hyperair> i had to sudo shutdown -r now
[17:03] <hwilde> nosrednaekim, so it's not really called cardbus then, I can't find that in aptitude dpkg or google
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> hwilde: no, it won't be
[17:03] <hyperair> and then it worked, but even then it stalled just before the ending. i pressed the restart button, and then my POST failed due to overheating CPU
[17:03] <darthanubis> afallenhope, its really quite self explanatory
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> hyperair: ouch
[17:03] <hwilde> nosrednaekim, can I just reinstall all kernel related files then ?
[17:03] <hyperair> yaeh i just powered off and wait for 15 minutes after that
[17:03] <hyperair> =\
[17:03] <hyperair> now i'm back on, with no issues in totem
[17:04] <hyperair> but it's still disturbing that i can't kill a process that's using up 100% of my CPU
[17:04] <hyperair> not even with SIGKILL
[17:04] <hyperair> sigh
[17:04] <DB42> bazhang: it's 2.6.24-16-generic though
[17:04] <hwilde> nosrednaekim, pcmcia-cs !
[17:05] <binarycortex> hi all
[17:05] <binarycortex> i have a question about hardy
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> hwilde: thats it?
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> binarycortex: this is the place
[17:05] <StucKman> hi all. I'm trying to backport hardy's lm-sensors-3 to feisty. I had to modify one of the Makefiles, and now I'm getting undefined references, even if the correct objects get into the library and the compilation later links to the correct library. can anyone help with this?
[17:05] <darthanubis> afallenhope, http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/documentation.shtml
[17:05] <hwilde> nosrednaekim, maybe... maybe not.  it says deprceated
[17:06] <Assid> oh boy
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> StucKman: try #ubuntu-motu
[17:06] <binarycortex> i am running inside virtualbox and i cant get a resolution better than 800x600
[17:06] <binarycortex> and it wont let me specify my monitor
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> binarycortex: install the guest additions
[17:06] <binarycortex> maybe thats what i forgot this time
[17:06] <Assid> im pushing 437K/sec to a single user in the torrent
[17:06] <Assid> how do i set this to not push it to 1 usermore than 100Ksec
[17:06] <scorpion_> Hi , I got an issue with my HP530 Notebook , I can't get direct rendering to work and it seems that I have no 3D support, glxinfo says,"direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" and 3D applications only run with approximately 1 FPS, may s'one help me?
[17:06] <da1l6> hi
[17:07] <StucKman> nosrednaekim: aye
[17:07] <da1l6> Does someone in here us a WLAN device based on RTL8187L? Is this supported by the rtl8187 driver?
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:08] <darthanubis> !hardware | da1l6
[17:08] <ubotu> da1l6: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[17:08] <bazhang> da1l6: is that your only choice? that can be tough to get going as opposed to some others
[17:08]  * Assid pushes 1872K/sec into the torrent
[17:08] <Assid> cmon pulll pulll!!!
[17:09] <da1l6> RTL8187 is not in the hardware list, only RTL8187, thats why i ask
[17:09] <savvas> so this is the reason why nvidia is so afraid of releasing the code to the driver: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/04/daniel_k-who-fi.html :P
[17:09] <da1l6> RTL8187L that is
[17:09] <da1l6> ;)
[17:10] <savvas> imagine having an nvidia 6 series that can use features of 8 series hehe
[17:10] <da1l6> again: RTL8187L is not in the hardware list, only RTL8187
[17:10] <da1l6> sorry for confusion
[17:11] <DB42> bazhang / Pici / nosrednaekim : updated the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219268 i'm in 2.4.26 now (no wifi) what else to look for ?
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219268 in ubuntu "iwl3945 doesn't work with my wifi card (ipw3945 did)" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <bazhang> da1l6: the problem is that the companies switch around the chipsets without notifying anyone
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> 26!?
[17:11] <bazhang> DB42: has that kernel been released yet?
[17:12] <slanning> hmm, I see in ~/.xsession-errors a message the "displayconfig-restore" is not found (called from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore)
[17:12] <DB42> btw, using wicd as network manager if it's of any use
[17:12] <DB42> i mean 2.4.24.. stop it :)
[17:12] <Assid> anyone here getting bad speeds in torrent?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> slanning: I THINK thats ok.... are you haveing problems?
[17:12] <bazhang> DB42: aha wicd; may want to just go for cli then
[17:13] <DB42> bazhang: afaik a few month ago tried it as well in cli and same issue
[17:13] <bazhang> Assid: not now thanks to you ;]
[17:13] <DB42> but i don't recall the cli syntax :)
[17:13] <bazhang> DB42: no worries can help out when you get stuck
[17:13] <pawan> hi
[17:13] <binarycortex> ok, vbox guest additions are installed but i still only have 800x600 max resolution
[17:13] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[17:13] <slanning> nosrednaekim: yes, for almost two weeks... I can login from gdm, music plays, mouse moves (can start DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview from ctrl-alt-f4 terminal), but no gnome panels, etc
[17:13] <da1l6> bazhang, fortunately the device has the chipset labled on the packing :)
[17:13] <DB42> bazhang: how do i list my SSIDs in cli ?
[17:13] <Assid> will seed till 20GB
[17:13] <bazhang> pawan read /topic
[17:14] <scorpion_> http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/169466/ var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> slanning: ok, I'm no expert with Gnome, but it sounds like a screwed up gnome config. can you try making a new user and loging in with him?
[17:14] <pawan> then
[17:14] <bazhang> da1l6: aha then that is likely alright; best bet is to check ubuntuforums first for the exact one--I would do it but a bit busy atm
[17:14] <Assid> err.. how do i configure rtorrent to allow more peers to connect?
[17:15] <bazhang> DB42: just a sec let me get a link
[17:15] <syke> hi
[17:15] <slanning> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try (again, actually - someone suggested it last week, too; but maybe by random chance things have changed now)
[17:15] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 look here DB42 first; when you get stuck give a shout
[17:15] <DB42> ok
[17:16] <scorpion_> :/
[17:16] <syke> I'm having a problem where, after listening to a 5 or 6 songs on pandora.com in konqueror, the pandora UI becomes a white square and I need to refresh the page to get it to start again
[17:16] <binarycortex> anyone know how i can fix my display resolution?
[17:16] <slanning> nosrednaekim: hah, that indeed worked, thanks
[17:16] <syke> I am fully up to date, and have rebooted, etcv
[17:16] <whitehawk> hah, I'm in the middle of my rc install
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> binarycortex: people in #vbox might be more helpful
[17:16] <whitehawk> It came down with 4,5mb/sec
[17:16] <binarycortex> ok cool thanks
[17:16] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: have u go my Xorg.0.log ?
[17:16] <slanning> I'm actually fairly happy to get to that point :D
[17:16] <Tom47> binarycortex: did you restart the vm?
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> going
[17:17] <whitehawk> sry 4MB/s
[17:17] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: I may pastebin it on an global server if you want me to
[17:18]  * slanning wonders if it's safe to just move away all ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome directories
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> its ok
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> slanning: mv them, don't delete them
[17:19] <whitehawk> bye
[17:19] <W8TAH> in order to get the new hardy disks when they come out next week, whats the best way to go?  torrents or try a traditional download? im gonna need server and workstation copies
[17:19] <W8TAH> and ive got machines waiting for release to be built
[17:19] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: btw. I'm using KDE upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: seems it wants a device section
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> in the worg.conf
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> *xorg
[17:20] <DB42> another problem in 2.6.24-generic on 8.04 my ethernet card (driver 8139too) is disabled, how do i enable it ?
[17:20] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: k but I'm not sure how to create one I alrdy tried but It didn't affect the glxoutput or crashed my xserver so I had to remove the entry
[17:20] <mc-george> DB42, beta?
[17:21] <DB42> mc-george: huh ?
[17:21] <mc-george> DB42, 8.04 beta?
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: try to find someone else with the same card
[17:21] <DB42> mc-george: 8.04 RC from today
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: or, possibly, the PCI bus ID is wrong
[17:21] <DB42> worked ok in 7.10
[17:21] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: I did but his config makes my xserver crash :/
[17:22] <mc-george> DB42, you have no network card?
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: it probably had the wrong PCI ID
[17:22] <DB42> mc-george: can you read ?
[17:22] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: Section "DRI"
[17:22] <scorpion_>     Group        "video"
[17:22] <scorpion_>     Mode        0666
[17:22] <scorpion_> EndSection < didn't had any effect
[17:22] <DB42> mc-george: i said it's not working, so i guess i have one
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: it wouldn't.
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: do a lspci to see what device your video card is
[17:23] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: hmmm but the guy I found (with the same notebook but using gnome) had the same PCI Port afaik
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:23] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: should be GMA 950 but I'll give it a try ;)
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> no... PCI port should be "2.00.1" or something like that
[17:25] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63647/
[17:25] <hwilde> does anybody have a record for the biggest ubuntu install ever?    what if I just apt-get *
[17:26] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: there are some entries that seem to fit my video card :/
[17:26] <DB42> nm, got ethernet to work with ifconfig eth0 up
[17:27] <slanning> hwilde: I imagine a lot of packages would conflict
[17:27] <mnemo> totem still plays videos using overlay surfaces on my box with a intel 965 gfx card (i.e looks bad when I spin cube or move window). I thought eric anholt fixed this a couple of months back why is the new version of the driver not included in ubuntu?
[17:27] <savvas> hwilde: even if you do that, you won't get half the packages if they conflict with each other, isn't it?
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: humm, just took a look at my xorg.conf and aparently you don't need a PCI ID in 7.3
[17:28] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: PCI ID in 7.3 ? ^^ sry I don't understand that part
[17:28] <khamael> what is the name of hardy+1,again?
[17:28] <daekdroom> Ibex
[17:28] <Pici> !ibex | khamael
[17:28] <ubotu> khamael: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[17:28] <daekdroom> Intrepid Ibex
[17:28] <Assid> wtf
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> well, in xorg 7.2 you need the PCI ID in the device section
[17:29] <Assid> thihs peer is downloading from me at 5135K/sec
[17:29] <darthanubis> !language | Assid
[17:29] <ubotu> Assid: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> awesome.,.... glad they decided on ibex for the shortend version... intrepid was going to be too much for me to type
[17:30] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: Ok the I will delete it and restart x?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah..
[17:30] <Assid> err, rtorrent doesnt give me the swarms' average speed :(
[17:30] <Assid> can someone check that
[17:31] <scorpion_> ok I'll be back
[17:31] <daekdroom> Do I have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to get my 8.04 up to RC?
[17:31] <savvas> er..
[17:31] <savvas> OpenOffice.org database, Java, math support <- what's the package for math support? :P
[17:32] <darthanubis> daekdroom, you don't HAVE to
[17:32] <bazhang> daekdroom: you already on the beta?
[17:32] <daekdroom> bazhang: Er.. Yes >.>
[17:32] <scizzo-> savvas: openoffice.org-math <--- that maybe?
[17:32]  * Assid loves to waste bandwith
[17:32] <daekdroom> bazhang: But last upgrade I did wasn't on RC and today there isn't any upgrades to do.
[17:32] <bazhang> daekdroom: then just keep updating til you reach final in six days
[17:32] <Assid> err 'utilize' being the right word
[17:32] <daekdroom> bazhang: I see, there won't be any new packages, right?
[17:33] <seanh> I have setup custom compiz settings with compiz-config-manager, now I need to disable compiz temporarily, how can I get back my custom settings when I reenable it?
[17:33] <savvas> scizzo-: yeah thanks
[17:33] <bazhang> daekdroom: well there will be of course, but give it a bit of time
[17:33] <x1250> daekdroom: if you # aptitude full-upgrade till stable, you'll get stable, and the same for RC
[17:33] <daekdroom> seanh: Try to install fusion-icon package.
[17:33] <daekdroom> seanh: then you can switch from compiz to metacity in a click.
[17:33] <daekdroom> seanh: and you'll keep configuration
[17:34] <x1250> seanh: disable it for 3 apps?
[17:34] <x1250> seanh: disable it for 3D apps?
[17:34] <scorpion_> hmmm
[17:34] <seanh> daekdroom thanks
[17:34] <daekdroom> seanh: no problem
[17:34] <seanh> x1250> yeah actually. Can I do that?
[17:34] <Tom47> ati compiz support standard in hardy?
[17:35] <scorpion_> x seems to work fine but my direct rendering still doesn't work
[17:35] <daekdroom> ati driver for X.org don't support compiz here. I had to install fglrx
[17:35] <daekdroom> and like every 2 or 3 reboots my fglrx driver crashes..
[17:35] <Tom47> bugger
[17:36] <Tom47> ok ty daekdroom
[17:36] <x1250> seanh: yeah. Use this script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7418/, chmod +x to it, and then edit the menu entry and set the command to: perl /path/to/script.pl 3d_app_command
[17:36] <daekdroom> Tom47: No prob.
[17:36] <x1250> that script will disable compiz, execute your app, and when closed, it will enable compiz again
[17:37] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: x works fine but direct rendering does not
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: bummer
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> I have no experience with Intels really, sorry
[17:38] <scorpion_> k
[17:38] <scorpion_> np
[17:38] <scorpion_> thx anyway
[17:40] <DB42> bazhang: how do i list SSIDs ? i don't see there
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> DB42: iwlist devicename scan
[17:42] <bazhang> DB42: you need to first make sure the card is up ifconfig should list the name wlan0 or somesuch
[17:42] <DB42> it does
[17:42] <DB42> iwlist Failed to read scan data: Resource temporarily unavilable
[17:42] <nosrednaekim> whats dmesg saying?
[17:43] <DB42> nothing
[17:44] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: just one thing even if it won't change anything :P but here is the part from the persons xorg.conf that I think have to be implemented into mine
[17:44] <scorpion_> Section "DRI"
[17:44] <scorpion_>         Mode    0666
[17:44] <scorpion_> EndSection
[17:44] <DB42> 666 is the number of the beast
[17:44] <x1250> yes, it is
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: that should be safe enough.
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> it doesn't need the 0 in the front though scorpion_
[17:44] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: yeah but I can't start x with this entry :/
[17:44] <bazhang> actually it is 616 but way offtopic
[17:45] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: kk I will give it a try without the zero
[17:45] <x1250> bazhang: naah, 666 appears in much more documents. 616 only in one.
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> where is 616 anyway?
[17:46] <beniamino> I upgraded from feisty -> gutsy  -> hardy. now when i run update-manager i get the error 'current dist not found in meta-release file'. hardy is listed in meta-release-development, but the error only goes away if i add it to meta-release-lts. this seems like a bug to me?
[17:47] <mvo> beniamino: it will cure itself once final is out, its just a warning
[17:48] <mvo> beniamino: (and you see it just in .xsession-errors/the terminal you started update-manager in, right?)
[17:48] <bazhang> got to take a break all; be back later
[17:48] <Assid> Rate: 6914.9 /   0.0 KB Uploaded:  9542.7 MB
[17:48] <DB42> Pici: you a ubuntu devel ?
[17:49] <beniamino> mvo: yes, that's right. ok, i won't worry about it. i guess i thought there was some way to switch between meta-release files, and i'd got the wron gone
[17:51] <DB42> bazhang: ok, an "iwlist eth1 scan" initiates this problem
[17:51] <DB42> no connection no nothing..
[17:52] <Pici> DB42: No, I'm not a developer. I'm just here to help with support :)
[17:53] <DB42> ok
[17:53] <DB42> i hope my bug report will get some notice from developers
[17:53] <DB42> just updated it again
[17:53] <DB42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219268
[17:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219268 in ubuntu "iwl3945 doesn't work with my wifi card (ipw3945 did)" [Undecided,New]
[17:53] <DB42> smart bot, can go to https links :)
[17:53] <scorpion_> second ...
[17:55] <mvo> beniamino: thanks checking
[17:55] <x1250> DB42: see if this helps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/200509
[17:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200509 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 "iwl4965: Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x2000000" [Medium,Fix released]
[17:57] <Assid> bah people are just downloading and not seeding on the torrent
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> nasties
[17:58]  * Assid gets annoyed and reduces bandwith to force people to stay on longer
[17:58] <DB42> x1250: nop :( my problem is different / worse
[17:59] <thoreauputic> Assid: if that was true, it wouldn't be possible to get the speeds some people are getting in the rc torrent
[17:59] <jmichaelx> so, has the 8.04 RC been delayed a bit?
[17:59] <Pici> jmichaelx: no.
[17:59] <thoreauputic> Assid: I think there must be some pretty generous seeding going on :)
[17:59] <Assid> thoreauputic: i was pushing 8MB/sec
[17:59] <Pici> jmichaelx: /topic
[17:59] <jmichaelx> ok, so basically what we have now is the RC?
[17:59] <jmichaelx> ok, sorry
[17:59] <thoreauputic> Assid: there you go
[18:00] <Assid> and i was looking at the seeders count
[18:00] <thoreauputic> Assid: must have come from somewhere, right?
[18:00] <Assid> as soon as i saw one finish.. the count goes up.. 10-20 seconds later.. it goes down
[18:00] <jmichaelx> is asking about the RC off-topic?
[18:00] <Pici> jmichaelx: Of course not.
[18:01] <thoreauputic> Assid: it's gone up from 7 when I connected to 36 as I see the swarm here
[18:01] <Pici> jmichaelx: Just that most of the information about the
[18:01] <Pici> RC is in the topic
[18:01] <thoreauputic> Assid: inevitable you get some selfish leechers though, yes
[18:01] <Assid> thoreauputic: how many seeders in the swarm now?
[18:01] <jmichaelx> pici, ok all i saw were references to the beta release
[18:02] <Assid> 82 ?
[18:02] <thoreauputic> Assid: I'm seeing 36 here
[18:02] <seisen> wheres the beta release all seed it
[18:02] <Pici> jmichaelx: The mirrors are still syncing, you can get it here if you want though http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[18:02] <x1250> DB42: try changing your sources.list to gutsy (or whatever it worked) and then install the working kernel. Uninstall the linux-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-headers-generic, and the kernel restricted and modules metapackage (i think there isn't a modules metapackage, but check it out.).
[18:02] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: ok ahm I got the entry to stay in my xorg.conf but it didn't changed a thing :(. First it gave me the error message "Install displayconfig-gtk". I did that and restartet. Then it said "The entry "Mode" is not a valid entry" so i removed the quotation marks and it seemed to work but I'm not sure if it still recognizes the entry now because I ended up with "no direct rendering support" :(
[18:02] <jmichaelx> Pici: ty very much
[18:02] <Assid> thoreauputic: and average swarm speed?
[18:03] <thoreauputic> 8.92 MB/s
[18:03] <DB42> x1250: i still have 2.6.22 kernel, and it works ok, but it's a bummer i can't move to 2.6.24 because of this issue..
[18:03] <Assid> thoreauputic: thats the avg speed?!?! or total swarm speed
[18:03] <thoreauputic> Assid: actually just went up to about 9.5
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> scorpion_: hum, like I said, Intels are not my forte
[18:03] <thoreauputic> Assid: oh sorry, yes
[18:03]  * thoreauputic has another look
[18:04] <thoreauputic> Assid: I'm seeing 155 KB/sec
[18:04] <Assid> thats it?
[18:04] <scorpion_> nosrednaekim: ok sry I know u have said that alrdy ^^ don't want to bother you I'm just a little desperate xD
[18:04] <thoreauputic> Assid: that is the average as reported by Azureus
[18:04] <Assid> most of the people who connected to me didnt do anything less than 220
[18:04] <Assid> some even did 2MB/sec
[18:05] <thoreauputic> Assid: but you are on a fast connection
[18:05] <Assid> yeah its a box in a datacenter. but if people can download from me at 200-2000K/sec i dont see why they cant seed
[18:05] <beex> are there any RC repos that are located on the internet2 consortium?
[18:06] <thoreauputic> Assid: Most of them do in fact
[18:06] <thoreauputic> Assid: the seed count is going up all the time
[18:06] <Assid> hrmm then ok
[18:06]  * Assid bumps the bandwith back up
[18:06] <thoreauputic> Assid: if you have a lot of upstream bandwidth, you can expect to see this
[18:07] <thoreauputic> Assid: it's people like you who help to keep the swarm fast, so thanks :)
[18:07] <Alen> hello where i can find torrent for RC ?
[18:07] <Assid> :P
[18:08] <Assid> well i tend to be a leech too.... or used to be.. but now that i do have a box.. might as well use it
[18:08] <thoreauputic> Alan: I got mine from http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[18:08] <thoreauputic> Assid: I try to keep my share ratio around 4 or so if I can :)
[18:09] <Alan> Does the "Screens and Graphics" dialog actually do anything?
[18:09] <Assid> i want rtorrent to make more connections
[18:09] <Alan> In my experience so far, it's pointless
[18:09] <Assid> Uploaded: 12727.3 MB                 [   R: 18.45 off]
[18:10] <thoreauputic> Assid: there's a config file - something like .rtorrentrc if I remember correctly
[18:10] <Alen> ﻿thoreauputic: thx
[18:11] <thoreauputic> Assid: actually ~/.rtorrent.rc
[18:11] <Assid> but then i gtota restart rtorrent
[18:11] <thoreauputic> Assid: can't remember if you have to create it or not...
[18:11] <Assid> gonna leave it be
[18:11] <thoreauputic> Assid: well, yeah I guess it has to reread the config file
[18:11] <Assid> thoreauputic:  pm?
[18:12] <Alan> Actually, more to the point... *how* do I change the resolutions available on Hardy?
[18:12] <thoreauputic> Assid: if you wish
[18:12] <basso_> has the "COmpiz Fusion + video playback = Black screen with system lockout" been fixed yet?
[18:12] <topyli> a sensible program should be able to source an rc file on the fly
[18:12] <topyli> like bash can
[18:19] <tawt> does hardy fix the suspend/hibernate problem?
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> which problem is that
[18:20] <tawt> that when i suspend/hibernate, gutsy can't come back
[18:20] <AHarun> Does anyone know how well AIGLX, ATI, and Compiz play with each other?
[18:20] <tawt> it stays as the black screen
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> AHarun: in hardy, very well
[18:21] <tawt> does anyone have this problem using hardy on laptops
[18:22] <AHarun> Thanks. I'm glad, it took forever (or a couple days) to tweak it in Gutsy to get it "working."
[18:24] <x1250> AHarun: yeah, I have 2 ati cards (x1250 desktop and x1400 laptop) working nicely with compiz.
[18:24] <Alan> Nobody have any idea about my problem?
[18:27] <peeps[work]> i have this same error, how do I apply this patch?   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/216789
[18:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216789 in gnome-games "Broken "el" translation of help file" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:27] <x1250> Alan: if you're missing some resolutions for your monitor, you're probably missing the horizontal and vertical refresh rates for your monitor in xorg.conf. Search for the correct values in your monitor's manual.
[18:27] <x1250> also your video drivers could be the issue...
[18:28] <Alan> x1250, I'm virtualising at the moment
[18:28] <Alan> x1250, the real question is why can't I actually change these things in Xorg any more?
[18:28] <Alan> It seems Xorg.conf has been stripped out, and nothing has replaced it...
[18:28] <x1250> you can
[18:29] <Alan> hmm
[18:29] <Alan> so the fact that xorg.conf is almost empty now doesn't mean much?
[18:31] <x1250> it means that it is trying to use sensible defaults, but you can edit xorg.conf and use your own values if defaults are wrong for your hardware, or aren't detected
[18:33] <Alan> x1250, i'm trying to set the correct available resolutions and colour depth in xorg.conf (in the Screen section) and it's not changing anything....
[18:34] <user1> how to mount an iso cd image into cd rom drive? i dont want to write the alternate cd.
[18:34] <Alan> x1250, any idea what the "screens and graphics" dialog is for?
[18:34] <x1250> Alan: your probably missing your monitor's refresh rates in xorg.conf
[18:34] <neverblue> anyone have a good FTP site I can grab the ISOs off of, thats going to be fast... ?
[18:35] <Alan> x1250, i'm not sure what the refresh rate of a virtual machine is...
[18:35] <ampex> neverblue: I'm getting around 500K/sec from http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
[18:35] <x1250> Uhm, virtualbox?
[18:35] <Alan> x1250, yeah
[18:36] <x1250> Alan, did you install the "guest additions"?
[18:36] <Alan> x1250, not yet :/
[18:37] <x1250> see if that helps, it has some video drivers, and probably the monitor ones too
[18:37] <neverblue> ampex, then thats where all the bandwith is going :P
[18:37] <Alan> i'll do that then
[18:37] <neverblue> anyone have a .torrent for HH ?
[18:38] <ampex> neverblue: it's slow for you?
[18:38] <neverblue> 40K, close to 50 at times
[18:38] <ampex> neverblue: where are you located physically?
[18:38] <neverblue> Canada
[18:39] <pfo> some here with a working apple aluminium keyboard?
[18:39] <pfo> would need /etc/default/console-font and relevant xorg.conf settings ...
[18:39] <Alan> x1250, bleh, the linux additions wont compile :(
[18:39] <ampex> Alan: what's the error?
[18:42] <Alan> ampex, http://www.codescape.net/p/121
[18:43] <peeps[work]> how are patches applied?
[18:43] <neverblue> wow
[18:43] <neverblue> there we go
[18:43] <neverblue> torrents are working :D
[18:44] <ampex> Alan: what version of virtualbox are you using?
[18:45] <Alan> ampex, 1.5.0_OSE
[18:45] <Alan> ampex, i.e. the latest in Gutsy
[18:45] <ampex> that's probably your issue
[18:45] <bullgard4> What is a suitable tool to read out the values of the EDID data structure of my LCD monitor?
[18:45] <ampex> I think you need 1.5.6
[18:45] <ampex> 1.5.4 even had an issue with an 8.04 guest
[18:45] <Alan> ugh :(
[18:46] <ampex> Alan: just get the newest version from virtualbox's site, they have a .deb available
[18:46] <ampex> it's an easy install
[18:46] <Alan> ampex, yeah, will do
[18:46] <ampex> I'd recommend just getting the full version, the OSE is limited in some key ways
[18:48] <x1250> Yeah, I use virtualbox (not ose). Just download it from their site Alan.
[18:48] <x1250> Download the gutsy version
[18:48] <DanaG> My keyboard and mouse keep getting stuck in VirtualBox.
[18:52] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, I will upgrade my ubuntu to Hardy Heron and my HD is small, can I change the directory of download ? Thank you!
[18:53] <x1250> how small?
[18:53] <stefg> 64bit or 32 bit for the RC? i can't decide...
[18:53] <stefg> someone talk me into 64bit, plz
[18:54] <x1250> 32bit unless more than 4GB RAM, people say
[18:54] <jaysonsantos> Less 1 GB
[18:54] <TheInfinity> stefg: if you know what you do you can use 64bit
[18:54] <jaysonsantos> x1250 Less 1GB free
[18:54] <TheInfinity> if you have less then 4 gigs ramm you dont need 64bit
[18:54] <TheInfinity> if you ask this question and you have less then 4 gigs ram i would recomment 32bit
[18:54] <x1250> jaysonsantos: have you run # aptitude clean, sometime?
[18:55] <jaysonsantos> x1250 Yes, I have 2 HD and the second is bigger, can I redirect the downloaded files do 2nd?
[18:55] <basso__> DDR2 Ram= so cheap they throw it at you.. people are buying 4 and 8 GIGS of ram.. its stupidly cheap :P
[18:56] <stefg> TheInfinity: /because/ i know what i do i'm reluctant to use 64 bit.... so i know the consequences.. i just need someone to tell me how easy all the 32bit stuff is installable and how much things changed since i tried 64bit the last time :-)
[18:56] <peeps[work]> can someone please help me apply this patch: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13409741/LP.216789.diff
[18:56] <stefg> so 64 bit evangelist, c'mon y'all
[18:56] <peeps[work]> the file paths do not appear to be absolute, so I don't know how or what to apply this to
[18:57] <TheInfinity> stefg: if you just do what the ubuntu devs think you should do its really easy
[18:57] <TheInfinity> this means eg flash plugin
[18:57] <peeps[work]> or is this something that a packager would have to apply before packaging?
[18:57] <TheInfinity> but if you want software like opera you have to find your own way to install it, theres no automatism for things like opera
[18:57] <stefg> TheInfinity: that's the problem.... i think myself, and found ubuntu-dev often enough so stupid that i rather think myself :-)
[18:58] <x1250> Uhm, I guess you could make a symlink for /var/cache/apt/archives/ to some directory in your other hard disk. Try copying /var/cache/apt/archives/ first to someplace in your big hard drive and then symlink /var/cache/apt/archives/ to the new location...
[18:58] <jaysonsantos> x1250 Ok I Will try
[18:59] <stefg> naah... ok. 2GB of ram currently, so i stick with 32 bit.  maybe i'll test the 64 bit later on a separate partition
[18:59] <Alan> Heh, there is only one thing keeping me away from 64-bit
[18:59] <Alan> Netgear and their bait+switch
[18:59] <x1250> also, if you make a # aptitude safe-upgrade, after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list, you'll download much less packages. After that you could # aptitude clean && aptitude full-upgrade, to complete the thing
[18:59] <Alan> I have a wireless card that MUST use ndiswrapper
[19:00] <x1250> that was for jaysonsantos
[19:01] <user1> when i try to upgrade kubuntu to hardy by alternate cd, it asks and tries to download latest packages. i dont want that. i want it to upgrade from cd only. how can i do it?
[19:01] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[19:02] <Pelo> when I try to install a .deb file by double clicking on it, it doesn'T start gdebi anymore it starts fileroller,  can someone give me the correct line to put in the "open with" box so I can get it back workig properly
[19:04] <Olius> íåóæåëè ÿ ñþäà ïîïàë =) ïðèâåò âñåì !
[19:04] <afallenhope> hey with "Wine" installed does that mean I can install windows apps?
[19:04] <x1250> Pelo: can you select gdebi from -> right click a deb package -> open with -> select gdebi. Is gdebi available there?
[19:04] <Olius> Russians avalible &
[19:04] <Olius> ?
[19:05] <peeps[work]> afallenhope, yes, mostly
[19:05] <Pelo> x1250, it wasn'T the last time I checked ,  let me look again
[19:05] <afallenhope> peeps[work]: so I install my fav poker game?
[19:06] <Pelo> x1250,  it doesn'T work
[19:06] <fbn> how can I make kde apps look like gnome apps?
[19:06] <peeps[work]> afallenhope, some programs are not 100% compatible, you can try it.  if you run into problems, there is compat info here: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[19:07] <Olius> Hi all! I have a question anybody help me ?
[19:07] <Pelo> Olius, just ask it
[19:07] <x1250> Pelo, then addi this for the custom command /usr/bin/gdebi
[19:07] <Sergeant_Pony> who booted me?
[19:08] <Pelo> x1250, nada
[19:08] <Sergeant_Pony> someone did
[19:08] <peeps[work]> !netsplit
[19:08] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[19:08] <x1250> Pelo, did you select gdebi after adding it?
[19:08] <beex> uhm
[19:09] <Pelo> x1250, yes
[19:09] <Sergeant_Pony> wasn't a netsplit.... fyi I run my own irc server so I know the diff
[19:09] <beex> my laptop is doing a dist upgrade to hardy RC, and it's been unpacking replacement base-passwd for the past 1/2 hour
[19:09] <peeps[work]> looked like a netsplit from my POV
[19:09] <beex> I think the process is hung
[19:09] <peeps[work]> Sergeant_Pony, you and about 20 people left the channel at the same time
[19:10] <beex> is there a graceful way I can get out of this?
[19:10] <stephenrhall> Pelo , maybe try /usr/bin/gdebi-gtk for graphical version
[19:10] <Sergeant_Pony> I didn't leave.. I got disconnected all together
[19:11] <Sergeant_Pony> brb
[19:11] <Pelo> stephenrhall, thanks that was it
[19:11] <x1250> stephenrhall: yeah, maybe that helps, didn't know there was a -gtk command for gdebi
[19:12] <Olius> hmm... when i try to install ubuntu (start or install ubuntu) i have a problem (desktop server has shut down more than 6 times. try to load before 2 min left) i sync this is my video card (x1900xtx). sorry if i have a grammatical error's i from russia and my english bad =(.
[19:12] <stephenrhall> x1250: I only found it just now by trying to run gdebi from terminal - it suggested gdebi-gtk!
[19:13] <ampex> Olius: get an nvidia card :)
[19:13] <x1250> yeah, I didn't do the tab thing, I just $ which gdebi
[19:13] <Pelo> stephenrhall,  x1250 but it crashes missing dependencies apparently
[19:13] <Olius> ampex =)
[19:13] <x1250> Pelo: gdebi crashes or the package does not install?
[19:14] <Pelo> x1250, package does not install , I get a message about missing dependencies and hiting ok jsut crashed gdebi, use to stay open so I could have a look at what the deps were
[19:14] <KaiL> hi all
[19:14] <Olius> KaiL hi
[19:14] <KaiL> how to get rid of that shitty pulseaudio crap?
[19:15] <gunashekar> hmm
[19:15] <x1250> Pelo: you can use dpkg -i to install the package (and see unmet dependencies also)
[19:15] <Pelo> is the RC available ?
[19:15] <gunashekar> ya
[19:15] <gunashekar> !topic
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[19:15] <x1250> maybe gdebi is buggy? I don't know, I don't use it a lot
[19:15] <KaiL> that eats so much CPU, that cpu clock downscaling doesn't work any more
[19:16] <Olius> !topic
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[19:16] <Pelo> x1250, I did it command line and the package that is required is no longer available,  it wants bmp and now we'Re on bmpx ,  I'll have to wait for the powers that be to make a new package
[19:16] <jcrow> ? about 8.04 server. grub failed to install
[19:16] <Pelo> x1250, no big deal
[19:16] <Alan> x1250, right, i have the latest virtualbox, but no change on the graphics front...
[19:17] <KaiL> ..not to mention, that pulseaudio sounds awefull
[19:17] <Alan> How am i supposed to know the refresh rates for a virtual machine?
[19:17] <DB42> x1250: you an offical devel
[19:17] <DB42> ?
[19:18] <x1250> x1250: nope, in fact I did contribute some packages to the KDE Team (debian), but nothing on ubuntu
[19:18] <Pelo> DB42, the official dev donT' hang out here we'Re not cool enough
[19:18] <treitter> does anyone know if adding a 1920x1200 external monitor to a laptop with an Intel 945GM "just works" with Hardy?
[19:18] <DB42> Pelo: ahh, k :) there have their own #ubuntu-devel or so ? :)
[19:18]  * Pelo will have to kill DB42 now 
[19:19] <pfo> hey guys - my tty[1-4] are missing, 6 and 7 work...
[19:19] <Pelo> later folks
[19:19] <nonewmsg> my hardy's wired conection doesnt work.  it detects the ethernet cards but says it cannot get a dhcp addresss.  it's a nvidia
[19:20] <katad0t1s> can someone help me upgrade to hardy?
[19:20] <x1250> Alan: you have 1.5.6 now and you can't install guest additions?
[19:20] <Alan> x1250, i've installed guest additions
[19:20] <Alan> x1250, but it hasn't made a change to the graphics situation
[19:21] <pfo> but getty is running on said ttys ...
[19:21] <x1250> Alan did you reboot the VM?
[19:21] <beex> so if I kill update manager in the middle of an update, I'll be hosed, right?
[19:21] <nonewmsg> also how do you adjust the horizontal/vertical refresh rates.  i tried in the display box and i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesnt ask me about the moniter and xorg.conf doesnt have a placeholder for them
[19:22] <HorizonX1> hey, is anyone's Rhythmbox getting album art correctly?
[19:22] <katad0t1s> update-manager --devel-release does not work (steps dialog freezes). Please advise.
[19:22] <HorizonX1> mine's not working at all, even after the update
[19:22] <x1250> nonewmsg: you can add them into xorg.conf by hand
[19:22] <Alan> x1250, of course
[19:22] <mvo> katad0t1s: at what step does it freeze?
[19:22] <Ronald> What is wise. If a replacement harddrive arrives tomorrow for my notebook, install hardy or gutsy :?
[19:23] <katad0t1s> mvo, the first one
[19:23] <Alan> x1250, the dynamic capture/release of keyboard/mouse is working fine..
[19:23] <nonewmsg> x1250 thanks i was concerned that it is reading them from somewhere else isntead...
[19:23] <beex> katad0t1s, I'm have the same issue
[19:23] <mvo> katad0t1s: could you please check /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ? what files are in there? could you put main.log into a pastebin please?
[19:23] <beex> good luck getting some help though
[19:23] <beex> oh
[19:23] <beex> nm
[19:24] <katad0t1s> mvo give me a min I ll get it for u
[19:24] <x1250> Alan: so changing resolution does not help?
[19:24] <mvo> beex: step 1 for you too?
[19:24] <Alan> x1250, changing resolution where?
[19:24] <mvo> katad0t1s, beex: from dapper or from gutsy?
[19:24] <katad0t1s> mvo from gutsy
[19:24] <beex> mvo, step 4, actually from gutsy
[19:25] <Alan> x1250, in "monitor resolution settings" i only have 800x600 and 640x480
[19:25] <nonewmsg> what is step 1, step 4, etc?
[19:25] <Alan> x1250, the "screens and graphics" thing that looks like it's supposed to be for configuring xorg does absolutely nothing to the settings
[19:25] <mvo> beex: it hangs in the install for you? what does the terminal show (if you click on the terminal expander)?
[19:25] <Alan> and my changes in Xorg are ignored
[19:25] <ampex> Alan: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then reboot?
[19:26] <ampex> Alan: this is really a question for #vbox
[19:26] <x1250> Alan: system -> prefs -> screen resolution
[19:26] <katad0t1s> mvo, here is my main.log
[19:26] <katad0t1s> mvo http://pastebin.com/m6877b003
[19:27] <Alan> ampex, well, the thing is, i'm previewing Hardy in a VM before installing it, and i don't know what is ubuntu being unconfigurable and what is virtualbox giving confusing hardware
[19:27] <mvo> katad0t1s: is the update-manager window still redrawn or is it not responding at all anymore?
[19:27] <katad0t1s> mvo it remains greyed out
[19:27] <Azhi_Dahaka> hi
[19:27] <beex> mvo, it's been Unpacking replacement base-passwd
[19:27] <Azhi_Dahaka> has anyone installed it on a MacBook?
[19:27] <beex> mvo, http://pastie.org/183097
[19:28] <katad0t1s> nonewmsg, step 1 is "preparing upgrade"
[19:29] <mvo> katad0t1s: could you please run pstree and paste me the bits that involve "hardy" or "dist-upgrade" please?
[19:29] <mvo> katad0t1s: that looks like some sort of bug, but I currently have no idea what it is
[19:30] <mvo> katad0t1s: anything interessting in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log (at the end?)
[19:30] <mvo> beex: and it hangs there? is this the gtk or the kde version of the upgrader?
[19:30] <katad0t1s> mvo, http://pastebin.com/m6d53dd96
[19:31] <katad0t1s> mvo apt.log has nothing interesting
[19:31] <beex> mvo, this is the gtk upgrader. it's been hun on it for about an hour
[19:32] <mvo> beex: could you run "pstree" as well please?
[19:33] <katad0t1s> mvo how can I kill the frozen window?If this is a gui issue? if yes how to do it cli style?
[19:34] <mvo> katad0t1s: I'm not sure yet, but if you don't mind (and you are not to impatient with the upgrade :) I would like you to keep it open for a bit. I would like to check what might cause this problem
[19:34] <Derspankster> katad0tls: killall (name of app)
[19:34] <AaronMT> I seem to have a problem inserting a cd, "CANNOT mount volume UDF"
[19:34] <katad0t1s> mvo sure only if u promise to file a bug when u discover it ;)
[19:34] <gunashekar> what will mvo do hiding it?
[19:35] <beex> http://pastebin.com/d3dbb9e1a
[19:35] <beex> mvo, http://pastebin.com/d3dbb9e1a
[19:35] <mvo> katad0t1s: promised :)
[19:37] <Alan> So, how do i *force* ubuntu to run in 1024x768?
[19:37] <Alan> in the case where autodetection fails?
[19:38] <bullgard4> Upgrading to Hardy display letters blurry in Epiphany, in a GNOME terminal and in mc in a console. But GNOME displays menu items crisp. How to troubleshoot?
[19:39] <mvo> beex: looks like dpkg is hanging for some reason for you, maybe "sudo strace -p $(pidof dpkg)"  will give a clue where it is hanging
[19:39] <bullgard4> Installing x-fonts-100dpi-transcoded and xfonts-75dpi-transcoded does not help.
[19:40] <beex> mvo, 1 sec
[19:40] <bullgard4> Frambuffer console 1 displays letters crisp also.
[19:41] <dredhammer> good day folks has the "failed to initialize HAL" error been solved for the latest kernel updates to hardy? i still have to use -12 if i want net access
[19:42] <Matt___> hi there can anybody offer me any guidance on the partitioner during install?
[19:42] <Pelo> only 9 packages ?
[19:42] <Pelo> Matt___, what do you need to know ?
[19:42] <Matt___> I alredy have a swap and ext3 partition and when going through the installer I want it to install to the existing ones
[19:42] <Pelo> Matt___, and if you don'T know about the partitionner you probably shouldn'T be using the beta
[19:42] <beex> mvo, dpkg won't allow anything to attach to it
[19:43] <Pelo> Matt___, yes  ubuntu will install on your existing ext3 partiton unless you make another one and tell it to instll there
[19:43] <Matt___> I tick the box to format but it tells me that i need to define a boot partition or something
[19:43] <beex> I keep getting an Operation not permitted error
[19:43] <mvo> katad0t1s: could you please give me your /etc/apt/sources.list and "cat /var/lib/apt/cdrom.list" output? is that a net update or do you use the alternative CD (sorry for so many questions :)
[19:43] <mvo> beex: even with sudo?
[19:43] <Pelo> Matt___, yes you need to tell the installer that the ext3 partiton is for /
[19:43] <Matt___> and i can;t find where I define the boot point or whatever it says (Sorry, forgotten the word)
[19:44] <Pelo> Matt___, you should not be using the beta , seriously
[19:44] <Matt___> So, I just change the ext3 partition thats there to be the / partition?
[19:44] <Matt___> I know lol
[19:44] <Pelo> Matt___,  go back and use the guided install
[19:44] <beex> mvo, yes, even w/sudo
[19:44] <Matt___> ok, thanks
[19:46] <katad0t1s> mvo http://pastebin.com/m20280b5e
[19:46] <Pelo> later
[19:47] <katad0t1s> mvo the cat command did not work
[19:48] <mvo> beex: hrm, that is odd. is it marked defunct or something like that in the ps ax output?
[19:48] <mvo> katad0t1s: is there no such file?
[19:48] <katad0t1s> mvo maybe i issued the command wrong. can u syntax it please
[19:49] <beex> nope
[19:49] <mvo> katad0t1s: my bad, cdroms.list instead of cdrom.list (I missed a "s")
[19:49] <beex> mvo, attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted
[19:49] <katad0t1s>  cat var/lib/apt/cdroms.list
[19:49] <katad0t1s> cat: var/lib/apt/cdroms.list: No such file or directory
[19:50] <mvo> beex: same with sudo -s first and then the strace?
[19:50] <katad0t1s> mvo thats what i get from the terminal
[19:50] <mvo> katad0t1s: cat /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list (there is / at the start missing)
[19:50] <beex> mvo, yes :-/
[19:51] <mvo> beex: :( thats not good
[19:51] <katad0t1s> mvo, http://pastebin.com/mc86ce13
[19:53] <vicente> Hi
[19:54] <vicente> Is it possible to migrate the full configuration of evolution from 7.10 to 8.04?
[19:55] <mvo> katad0t1s: great, thanks. can you try a "sudo strace -p $(pidof hardy)" please? and see what that outputs (quite possible that it outputs a lot, just contrl-c it the strace if it outputs too much)
[19:56] <beex> mvo, well, I'm going to kill the process them. probably have to reinstall...
[19:56] <fx|RabBit> hi! i guess i have damaged my system during upgrade i had to bott with recovery console
[19:56] <fx|RabBit> now i tells me that hal couldnt be initialized
[19:56] <fx|RabBit> is it as bad as it sounds?
[19:56] <mvo> beex: try a contrl-c in the terminal window and see if it continues with the upgrade
[19:56] <katad0t1s> mvo, http://pastebin.com/m71d1aaf2
[19:56] <fx|RabBit> i have already rebootet in case youre talking to me...
[19:56] <daekdroom> fx|RabBit: not really. I get that error since I upgraded my kernel the first time.
[19:57] <daekdroom> can you start at normal mode?
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> humkay
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> nope i cant
[19:57] <daekdroom> then it's serious o.o
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> as i wrote needed to start in recovery mode
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> hehehe
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> i have a suspicion
[19:57] <atlef> fx|RabBit: it is a bug, and has been reported
[19:57] <beex> mvo, nothing...
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> atlef
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> thx m8
[19:57] <atlef> fx|RabBit: do you have a capture card
[19:57] <fx|RabBit> and damned hehe
[19:57] <daekdroom> atlef: the bug related to saa7134 driver doesn't make it boot only by recovery mode
[19:58] <daekdroom> It boots at normal mode too. I've a saa7134 capture card
[19:58] <fx|RabBit> atlef: i have a tv card but not a capture card
[19:58] <daekdroom> capture = tv card
[19:58] <fx|RabBit> terratec cynergy something
[19:58] <daekdroom> atlef: and that's at kernel -16.
[19:58] <mvo> katad0t1s: oh well, that didn't work. could you please try to find the process id of the "hardy" process (with gnome-system-monitor for example) and run the strace command again, this time with the id after the -p ?
[19:58] <fx|RabBit> i havent tryed 22-14 so far...
[19:59] <atlef> daekdroom: well, there were a few issues with hal/hald
[19:59] <fx|RabBit> any workarrounds?
[19:59] <daekdroom> atlef: There still are.
[19:59] <daekdroom> but it starts at normal mode..
[19:59] <daekdroom> he says his comp don't.
[19:59] <atlef> daekdroom: ok
[19:59] <fx|RabBit> so we got a special case i suppose
[19:59] <mvo> beex: could you do a final "ps afx" before you kill it? I'm really curious why it hangs there, its a unual sort of error
[19:59] <atlef> need to read more carefully
[19:59] <fx|RabBit> i  ahve a capture card and i have the error
[19:59] <daekdroom> fx|RabBit: Do you still have kernel -12?
[19:59] <beex> mvo
[20:00] <beex> mov, I'm sorry
[20:00] <beex> I just killed it :-/
[20:00] <fx|RabBit> dont think so remember it being purged in the process...
[20:00] <daekdroom> :o
[20:00] <mvo> beex: ok - just dpkg or the whole thing?
[20:00] <katad0t1s> mvo, no hardy process on system monitor
[20:00] <beex> mvo, the whole deal
[20:00] <fx|RabBit> what s the point with the capture card is it solvable?
[20:01] <daekdroom> I'll check the bug page.
[20:01] <mvo> katad0t1s: if you click on "View/All processes", does it appear then?
[20:01] <user1> i have ugraded from 7.10 to hardy. when i boot. kde gui is not started , instead iam asked about username pasword. when i run mirc by wine, system gets total held. any help?
[20:01] <daekdroom> Since I compiled my own kernel I don't care about that bug :p
[20:01] <fx|RabBit> hehe
[20:01] <fx|RabBit> nice one daekdroom
[20:02] <katad0t1s> mvo, yes the id is 5755. Let me figure out the command i need to give
[20:02] <mvo> beex: ok, thanks for the debug pastes
[20:02] <daekdroom> Hardy's kernel didn't like fglrx driver and neither saa7134 module :(
[20:02] <mvo> katad0t1s: sudo strace -p 5755 hopefully works
[20:02] <Flannel> user1: Everyone is asked for a username and password.
[20:02] <fx|RabBit> oops
[20:02] <beex> mvo, sorry I so hastily closed it, it's been up for about an hour and a half :-/
[20:02] <ubuntu> !grub
[20:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:02] <fx|RabBit> nvidia luckily
[20:03] <tijayz> hey i have a question... I have two hharddrives. BOth are 80gb. One of them has partitions (50, 4, 4 and 20gb for Linux, swap, data, and windows). How can I copy my ubuntu partition onto that other, new, harddrive OVER LAN
[20:03] <tijayz> and make it work
[20:03] <tijayz> ditchhing windows partition
[20:03] <katad0t1s> mvo, Process 5755 attached - interrupt to quit
[20:03] <katad0t1s> futex(0xb70be794, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL
[20:04] <fx|RabBit> tijayz have a look at the dd command
[20:04] <daekdroom> fx|RabBit: I'm pretty much sure many people have this bug as I'm getting my gmail spammed with comments at the bug report.
[20:04] <daekdroom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212271
[20:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212271 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-15-generic: saa7134-alsa makes HAL to fail" [High,Fix committed]
[20:04] <fx|RabBit> daekdroom: well the in just hope theres a solution to it
[20:04] <daekdroom> It says Fix committed :D
[20:04] <fx|RabBit> whats that mean?
[20:05] <daekdroom> It means there's a fix.
[20:05] <fx|RabBit> hehehe
[20:05] <fx|RabBit> good news
[20:05] <fx|RabBit> so where is it :D
[20:05] <daekdroom> look at the page
[20:05] <node357> I hope my sound card works with Hardy when it comes out :/
[20:05] <node357> Sound Blaster X-Fi
[20:05] <tijayz> fx|RabBit is dd would be my only option?
[20:06] <tawt> has hardy fixed the suspend/hibernate bug in gusty?  and does hardy have better wifi support than gutsy?
[20:06] <fx|RabBit> daekdroom: oh! sry i overlokked..
[20:06] <mvo> katad0t1s: ok, thanks. I think I have all the info now, I check the bug database. just kill it and please try running it again. I wonder if you experience the problem then, I suspect it might be something that is triggered randomly
[20:06] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: well its a simple fast and powergful option?
[20:06] <katad0t1s> mvo any cli alternatives?
[20:07] <tijayz> fx|RabBit well it grabs the whole partition, inlcuding empty blocks, and due to the fact that my hharddrive is damaged, whhen dd will be reading damaged sectors, even though they are empt, it will take long
[20:07] <mvo> katad0t1s: bug #186465 most likely, it showed the same futex() thing in strace
[20:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186465 in update-manager ""distribution upgrade" hangs during update to hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186465
[20:07] <tijayz> somethhing like partimage where it only grabs sectors which are used.. but partimage can't do realtime restoration
[20:07] <mvo> katad0t1s: yes, but please try the gui again, just for the sake of testing (you can always cancel it again before the final upgrade is performed, there is a confirmation step)
[20:07] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: you can of course just copy it
[20:07] <user1> Flannel:  but every one is asked at a gui. not at command line.
[20:08] <tijayz> fx|RabBit copy files?
[20:08] <user1> Flannel:  X dont start automaticaly
[20:08] <ubuntu> grub fails to install
[20:08] <tawt> has hardy fixed the suspend/hibernate bug in gusty?  and does hardy have better wifi support than gutsy?
[20:09] <calc> tawt: suspend/hibernate problems are on a per system basis, its usually caused by buggy acpi bios on the machine
[20:09] <Flannel> user1: So, kdm isn't starting
[20:09] <user1> ya
[20:09] <calc> tawt: upgrading the bios on your machine might help
[20:09] <tawt> calc:  how?
[20:09] <user1> Flannel:   ya
[20:09] <katad0t1s> mvo it froze again
[20:09] <calc> tawt: er go to the website of the company that made your machine and download the newest bios for it
[20:10] <tawt> calc:  ok, thanks
[20:11] <user1> i have ugraded from 7.10 to hardy. when i boot. kde gui is not started , instead iam asked about username pasword. when i run mirc by wine, system gets total held, gui dont auto start. any help?
[20:14] <mvo> katad0t1s: I would like to debug that with you a bit further, I think its bug #186465 and it would be great if we could create a strace of the full thing (up to the point when it hangs). if you have a bit more time/patience, I give you the commands, is that ok. with a good strace there is a much better chance that this gets looked at/fixed for hardy final
[20:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186465 in update-manager ""distribution upgrade" hangs during update to hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186465
[20:14] <x1250> why would you run mirc in wine?
[20:14] <katad0t1s> mvo ok but tell me ..what is a strace?
[20:15] <x1250> user1: is kdm installed?
[20:15] <basso> why run mirc when you got "Konversation"
[20:16] <fx|RabBit> daekdroom: scuse my goofyness but i dont quite find what to do...
[20:16] <fx|RabBit> theres this link http://ppa.launchpad.net/stefan-bader-canonical/ubuntu/ what do i do with that?
[20:16] <mvo> katad0t1s: please first run 'find /tmp -name "hardy' - this will give you the location directory where the release upgrader got downloaded into. please cd into that dir
[20:16] <x1250> Yea, konversation is very good. The only bad thing about it is that it doesn't use the gnome theme
[20:17] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: if you wanna copy the whole partition and not file by file dd is the only option tha i know of...
[20:17] <mvo> katad0t1s: then run "sudo -s" to get a root shell and run "sudo -f ./hardy 2>/tmp/hardy-debug.txt
[20:18] <mvo> katad0t1s: meh, sorry
[20:18] <mvo> katad0t1s: last command is of course "strace -f ./hardy 2>/tmp/hardy-debug.txt"
[20:18] <katad0t1s> mvo i get 2 dirs
[20:18] <mvo> katad0t1s: then let it run until it hangs, give it a couple of seconds and ctrl-c it
[20:18] <katad0t1s> mvo,  find /tmp -name "hardy"
[20:18] <katad0t1s> /tmp/tmppn-UGo/hardy
[20:18] <katad0t1s> /tmp/tmpnwKEN0/hardy
[20:18] <mvo> katad0t1s: that is ok, they are identifcal, just pick one
[20:21] <user1> x1250:  yes
[20:21] <user1> x1250:  when i type startx     it starts the gui kde
[20:21] <katad0t1s> mvo ok ...it froze again now what?
[20:22] <linkinxp> hi!!
[20:22] <mvo> katad0t1s: give it some seconds (~10s) and then press ctrl-c
[20:22] <linkinxp> how can i know if i have the latest video drivers?
[20:22] <katad0t1s> mvo ok
[20:22] <x1250> user1:  yeah, but that's not kdm. What does # apt-cache policy kdm   returns?
[20:22] <mvo> katad0t1s: now /tmp/hardy-debug.txt should be there and it should contain a lot of stuff, please gzip it and sent it to me (I will /msg you my mail adress)
[20:23] <x1250> user1: does it say it is installed?
[20:23] <mvo> katad0t1s: alternatively you can attach it to the bug I mentioned earlier
[20:23] <katad0t1s> i ll mail it u r the expert
[20:23] <user1> x1250: yes
[20:23] <mvo> katad0t1s: it should contains loads of open() fstat() read() etc
[20:24] <beex> mvo, it happened again
[20:24] <x1250> user1: what does /etc/init.d/kdm restart   do? does it work?
[20:24] <mvo> beex: geh, you re-run the upgrade and dpkg hangs again?
[20:24] <basso> anyone running 8.04 with Compis Fusion on Intel based Graphics Card?
[20:24] <tijayz> fx|RabBit: so if I copy file by file it will still work right?
[20:24] <user1> x1250: let me check
[20:24] <mvo> basso: yes
[20:25] <tijayz> i will just have to restore loader?
[20:25] <beex> mvo, yes. after doing an apt-get install -f ...
[20:25] <basso> mvo: WHat happens when you open a video with vlc?
[20:25] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: talking bout a windows partition right?
[20:26] <linkinxp> basso:  i have it
[20:26] <tijayz> fx|RabBit no liniux
[20:26] <tijayz> i have ubuntu and i want to move it to a differnet hard drive
[20:26] <tijayz> over the network
[20:26] <tijayz> how can i do it the easiest way whhen i have two harddrives and two laptops networked together
[20:27] <basso> Does anyone else have problems opening videos with Compis Fusion on? (Black screen, cant do anything)
[20:27] <linkinxp> tijayz:  ghost it :D
[20:27] <linkinxp> basso drivers?
[20:27] <beex> mvo,  http://pastebin.com/m7ecdcbf3
[20:27] <fx|RabBit> linkinxp: he dont wana copy the whole patritition
[20:27] <basso> i thought so too
[20:27] <linkinxp> fx|RabBit:  hooo :-s
[20:27] <crdlb> basso: what video card?
[20:28] <basso> But the drivers are new, and compis fusion and the KDE desktop effects are working quite fine. but when i open a video the entire screen go black
[20:28] <tijayz> linkinxp also it won't work because i don't have a third PC to store image at
[20:28] <mvo> basso: is that with totem? or another player? what video card do you have exactly?
[20:28] <linkinxp> how can i know if i have the latest video drivers?
[20:28] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: AS FAR AS I AM INFORMED YOU CAN DO THAT
[20:28] <linkinxp> tijayz:  DvD
[20:28] <fx|RabBit> oops
[20:28] <tijayz> linkinxp has to be over the network
[20:28] <basso> Its on ALL videoplayers i have tried. And its an INTEL GMA 855 or 950 (Sry dont really remember on the fly)
[20:28] <tijayz> fx|RabBit i can just copy files?
[20:28] <fx|RabBit> and you gotta fix your master boot record and partition table and so on
[20:28] <linkinxp> tijayz:  that will work too
[20:28] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: but pleasdont rely on me ion that information i have never done it
[20:29] <mvo> beex: could you please enable gutsy-proposed in your sources.list, install the apt in there and try again? I think this is a bug in the gutsy apt that got fixed in -proposed but has not made it to -updates
[20:29] <tijayz> do i have to have the same partition table as I used to have on old machine or can I just copy files onto a bigger partition
[20:29] <tijayz> and then rewrite grub into mbr?
[20:29] <tijayz> with new partinfo
[20:29] <mvo> katad0t1s: did you got my /msg ?
[20:29] <fx|RabBit> tijayz: basically you should be aable to do that i think
[20:30] <beex> mvo, sure thing.  I'm running on some internal repos here, so that could definitely be a problem
[20:30] <tijayz> well wont hurt to try since I'm really only coping files lol
[20:30] <tijayz> actually will it let me copy /dev/ ? o.O
[20:30] <fx|RabBit> ??
[20:30] <fx|RabBit> no active partitin?
[20:30] <fx|RabBit> so whats the point actually? XD
[20:30] <tijayz> not on the original harddrive
[20:30] <mvo> beex: I suspect strongly that ithe one in -proposed fixes it, the <defunct> is a good clue
[20:30] <tijayz> no the original  harddrive will be left intouch
[20:30] <katad0t1s> mvo yes just a sec mate
[20:30] <tijayz> i'll be playingh with new harddrive
[20:30] <tijayz> so it won't affect my data lol
[20:31] <fx|RabBit> i dont get it...
[20:31] <mvo> katad0t1s: thanks, no worries - just wanted to be sure that it didn't get blocked from the irc server or anything
[20:31] <Arelis> How's the Release Candidate?
[20:31] <katad0t1s> mvo did u get it?
[20:31] <fx|RabBit> need reboot anyways
[20:33] <bullgard4> How can I determine the font that is currently used in my tty1 and tty3?
[20:33] <Arelis> Is the Release Candidate stable enough to use daily?
[20:34] <x1250> Oh, that reminds me that I hate the tty's font. Anyway to change it?
[20:35] <x1250> Well, that was a "change tty font" search on google, lazy me.
[20:35] <mvo> katad0t1s: let me check (my mail is a bit slow sometimes)
[20:37] <katad0t1s> mvo ok just let me know when u get it
[20:39] <jyro> after the last kernel update I can no longer use the nvidia proprietary driver.  Any one know what's up with that?
[20:39] <jyro> I have to keep using the .15 version of the kernel as opposed to the .16
[20:40] <crimsun> it's a known issue
[20:40] <jyro> so i should just wait until the next update?
[20:40] <mvo> katad0t1s: its donwload (looks like it is pretty huge :)
[20:40] <Reinhart> hi all
[20:41] <mvo> s/download/downloading/
[20:41] <Reinhart> I'm getting "access denied" errors when downloading packages (upgrade from gutsy)
[20:41] <Reinhart> details: http://pastey.net/85992
[20:41] <katad0t1s> mvo ...i know....it gave me the creeps...
[20:41] <mvo> katad0t1s: that reminds me, what locale are you using (language etc)
[20:41] <Reinhart> does this sound familiar to anyone?
[20:41] <katad0t1s> mvo el_gr
[20:41] <rsc___> hey guys, I just installed heron beta (on my gutsy+winxp dual boot system) and now, WXP isnt on my grub list. I tried adding it myself by manually editing menu.lst, but I can't boot into WinXP anymore.
[20:42] <rsc___> any ideas guys?
[20:42] <katad0t1s> mvo why u have any character issues?
[20:43] <mvo> katad0t1s: no, I wonder if the bug might be triggered by a certain locale
[20:43] <crimsun> rsc___: if you edited menu.lst, did you run `update-grub' afterward?
[20:43] <muszek_> hi... has anyone's firefox become _really_ unstable lately? (last 1-2 days)
[20:43] <katad0t1s> mvo, oh I see. well check with other greek users then ;)
[20:43] <rsc___> crimsun, yep. it shows up on my grub lsit now. unfortunately when i try to use it, I get a system error. (and asks me to press ctrl+alt+del)
[20:44] <katad0t1s> mvo let me check the #ubuntu-gr channel
[20:45] <Adys> Is there any reasons I wouldnt be able to access the terminals from ctrl alt f1-f7?
[20:45] <Luckrider> how do I add files to a root only folder?
[20:45] <Adys> they work fine on my laptop just not on the amd64
[20:45] <Luckrider> I basily just need to know how to become root
[20:46] <Adys> Luckrider: alt f2, type gksu nautilus
[20:46] <Luckrider> thanks Adys
[20:46] <Adys> muszek: Yeah - segfaults?
[20:46] <Adys> muszek_: Sorry, yeah
[20:47] <muszek_> Adys: I had segfaults from like one or two weeks... but now it freezes and uses 100% CPU very quickly after I start it
[20:47] <Adys> yeah
[20:47] <Adys> amd64 ?
[20:48] <Adys> been having segfaults and freezes horribly frequently since last update
[20:49] <Adys> i had to install the mozilla download to get it working :/ unfortunately seems no one else seems to notice
[20:49] <mvo> katad0t1s: I have a idea, could you please go to your /etc/apt/sources.list and disable all non official source entries (and for the sake of testing) change the "$mirror.archive.ubuntu.com" to "archive.ubuntu.com" and try again?
[20:49] <katad0t1s> mvo i just checked with ubuntu-gr and another user had the same issue from feisty to gutsy
[20:51] <katad0t1s> mvo ok but in a while cause i have to grub a bite
[20:51] <jyro> can someone please please help me fix my xorg now that the new kernel has messed it up
[20:51] <mvo> katad0t1s: sure, no problem, take your time. I am able to reproduce a hang here if the network server does not respond, it really hangs ages
[20:52] <jyro> i have nvidia drivers enabled but im stuck at 640x480
[20:52] <mvo> basso: could you please check which one it is? lspci should tell you?
[20:54] <basso> mvo: Intel Corporation 82852/82855
[20:57] <Black_Magic> Erm can anyone recommend a USB Cable for WD Passport
[20:58] <Black_Magic> it seems that the problem is the cord
[20:58] <Black_Magic> the thing light turns blue but it continuosly stops then starts spinning again
[20:58] <DanaG> Hmm, some notebook drives need a y-cable to get enough power.
[20:58] <Black_Magic> with a clicking nose
[20:58] <Black_Magic> DanaG: thats not the problem
[20:58] <Black_Magic> the original cable stays stable and was working with one port
[20:58] <DanaG> http://www.bixnet.com/5vps2powercord.html
[20:58] <DanaG> hmm.
[20:59] <Black_Magic> but i got a new Belkin cord and it doesnt work even in windows
[20:59] <Black_Magic> i have 6 oses all same problem
[20:59] <DanaG> Hardware issue?
[20:59] <Black_Magic> even when i just bootup with the newer cord same thing
[20:59] <DanaG> Can you take the drive out of the enclosure and try it?
[20:59] <Black_Magic> i Would use the older cord but its broken
[20:59] <Black_Magic> nope...
[21:00] <Black_Magic> the older cord works in Windows but linux doesnt take it because i think booting an OS off of it killed the cord
[21:00] <linxeh> Black_Magic: I have that problem too
[21:00] <linxeh> Black_Magic: the shortest cable the better
[21:00] <Black_Magic> Why is that
[21:00] <linxeh> Black_Magic: and some machines just wont power them without a 2nd power cable
[21:00] <Black_Magic> this cord is 6ft
[21:00] <x1250> anyone will go with the new alpha after hardy has been released?
[21:00] <linxeh> that will never work :)
[21:00] <DFM> When I start 8.04 and look at the system monitor it shows my processor constantly running at 85 to 100 % but nothing in process list shows to be pegging the processor.
[21:00] <Black_Magic> lol
[21:00] <linxeh> I've got one thats 6 inches that works on most machines
[21:00] <linxeh> my 2ft one only works on a couple of machines
[21:00] <DFM> In 7.10 the processor isn't pegged.
[21:01] <Black_Magic> well the original is 18in
[21:01] <DFM> Stock installs with both no changes or additions
[21:01] <DFM> Any idea's?
[21:01] <linxeh> Black_Magic: try with a powered hub
[21:01] <Black_Magic> i think it needs a special brand of thing...
[21:01] <tanner> anyone know of a utility to clone a healthy/working system
[21:01] <linxeh> tanner: dd
[21:01] <katad0t1s> mvo i am back
[21:01] <DanaG> gparted?
[21:01] <tanner> linxeh: not acceptable
[21:01] <linxeh> tanner: why ?
[21:02] <tanner> linxeh: inefficient
[21:02] <Black_Magic> Does Firewire have the same ports as USB?
[21:02] <Tyczek> Hi... is it available for cure, or I have to wait for update? http://wklej.org/id/01e7b5d93a
[21:02] <katad0t1s> from the gui for repos i have main for server what should i pick?
[21:02] <linxeh> you want to clone it
[21:02] <x1250> anyone will upgrade to intrepid ibex alpha/experimental when hardy goes stable?
[21:02] <katad0t1s> mvo  from the gui for repos i have main for server what should i pick?
[21:02] <DanaG> What kind of clone?
[21:02] <linxeh> clearly you dont mean clone then
[21:03] <mvo> katad0t1s: yeah, main should be fine, just uncheck the 3rd party ones
[21:03] <linxeh> tanner: you can use tar with pipes, or even just cp it
[21:03] <mvo> basso: thanks!
[21:03] <tanner> in order to use dd you have to use the entire disk because the filesystem fragments, however, having only say, 10G of 40 used makes dd very time consuming and inefficient.
[21:05] <katad0t1s> mvo, it runs, it runs.....it froze
[21:05] <linxeh> tanner: dd doesnt take that long
[21:05] <tanner> copying 80G drives over takes quite some time.
[21:05] <mvo> katad0t1s: hm, could you put a screenshot of the window into a picture pastebin please (or email it)?
[21:06] <mvo> alt-printscr if the window has the focus should work
[21:07] <Black_Magic> Uhm DanaG well i looked at the new cord thing it says USB 2.0 Cable A to 5-pin Mini-B and i check Western Digital site it says Connection type: USB A to Mini B
[21:07] <_tpp_> does anyone know if there is a version of the 'intel' driver that does not perform modesetting?
[21:07] <mvo> katad0t1s: and then "sudo do-release-upgrade -d --mode desktop" in a terminal and see if that goes any further please?
[21:07] <Black_Magic> *A/5-pin
[21:08] <linxeh> tanner: there is clonezilla, but I've not needed to use it. we have a 10GB system partition which we have as a dd image bzip2, and just dd it over the network
[21:08] <katad0t1s> mvo, the pic is in your mail
[21:08] <mvo> great, thanks katad0t1s
[21:09] <Black_Magic> DD Over the network makes it slower >.>
[21:09] <linxeh> Black_Magic: not if you've got a lot of machines to do. its impossible to get to all the machines, and the limiting factor is the hard drive write speed not the network
[21:10] <linxeh> especially with a bzip2d image that is unzipped at the client end
[21:10] <katad0t1s> mvo i get some action in the terminal here with the command
[21:10] <Black_Magic> Linuxeh couldnt internet speed affect that?
[21:10] <linxeh> what has internet got to do with anything?
[21:10] <linxeh> who clones machines over the internet? you do it over a lan...
[21:10] <jyro> has anyone figured out how to fix the revolution problem with the new kernel and nvidia drivers?
[21:12] <katad0t1s> mvo....i says i need 1790 mb free space and i got 1700...i dont believe it
[21:12] <linxeh> katad0t1s: so delete something
[21:12] <katad0t1s> mvo, could this be it?
[21:13] <linxeh> :)
[21:14] <mvo> katad0t1s: that is a clue, what if you free a bit more and then run the gui update again ?
[21:14] <ampex> partimage > dd for cloning disks
[21:14] <katad0t1s> mvo freeing space as we speak
[21:15] <mvo> thanks :)
[21:16] <mvo> katad0t1s: the line under the progress bar in the screenshot says "checking package manager" (in greek of couse) ?
[21:17] <katad0t1s> mvo yes
[21:19] <jyro> anyone having resolution problems with the .16 kernel?
[21:19] <jyro> nivida drivers enables, but max res is 640x480
[21:21] <katad0t1s> mvo froze again..
[21:22] <katad0t1s> going cli to see what happens now
[21:22] <mvo> katad0t1s: ok, but please not proceed quite yet (it will ask for a final confirmation before the upgrade)
[21:24] <NotSure> Hi - Would like to take screen capture with the "Aplications/Accessories" open - Want to have record of programs installed in each folder. - What would be best way to go about doing this - Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[21:25] <katad0t1s> mvo it runs ok should i cancel?
[21:25] <Pelo> I updated about an hour ago and it was only 9 packages ? is that it for RC ? or am I missing something ?
[21:25] <NotSure> Also "Applications/Sounds & Video" folder as well.
[21:25] <mvo> katad0t1s: please cancel it, I hope to find out more why the UI hangs
[21:26] <apollo13> hi, can I safely remove volumeid?
[21:26] <apollo13> as the new udev seems to conflict with it
[21:26] <Pelo> apollo13, what's the error msg you get ?
[21:27] <mvo> katad0t1s: does anything change if you comment out (or remove) the cdrom entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[21:27] <apollo13> Pelo: actually not an error at all: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/41938/
[21:27] <crimsun> apollo13: yes, it is correct.
[21:27] <swatTX> can anyone recommend a program to convert avi's to mp4s?
[21:27] <NotSure> If I tap the "Prt Sc" key what program could I use to call up the screen capture?
[21:27] <Pelo> swatTX, try convertit , look for it in the forum  www.ubuntuforums.rog
[21:27] <Pelo> org
[21:28] <alex__> hello people!
[21:28] <apollo13> crimsun: ok, this was what I was thinking, but I thought vol_id could be needed somewhere else; better safe than sorry ;)
[21:28] <katad0t1s> mvo wait i have news
[21:28] <alex__> I am looking for information on Ubuntu 8.04 support for ATI
[21:28] <swatTX> pelo, ok i'll see what i can find. thanks.
[21:28] <crimsun> apollo13: the new udev package has absorbed the functionality of volumeid (meaning vol_id is back in udev).
[21:28] <acid_> hi
[21:28] <alex__> I wonder if the driver that will be included on 8.04 will support DRI and all that stuff to run gogle-earth and games like nexuiz
[21:28] <katad0t1s> mvo I just got an update icon, hit it, said it could be done only partially (acpi could not be installed) but the gui froze at the same point!!!
[21:29] <katad0t1s> mvo wtf??
[21:29] <Pelo> apollo13, I donT' atualy see an error msg in there, you are just told that a package called volumeid will be removed  and a fwe others installed,  that's not actualy a problem that's just the way upgrades/updats work
[21:29] <ompaul> alex__, click on system administration hardware drivers and wonder from there
[21:29] <amikrop> Greetings. I was wondering why Ubuntu doesn't follow the rolling upgrades/updates pattern.
[21:29] <filosofixit> alex_ : yes, the new fglrx (restricted drivers) support opengl which google earth requires :)
[21:29] <Idrogeno> thats a pretty wide ranging question that suggests you do not understand the way distributions work at all
[21:30] <Pelo> swatTX, might want to look into avidemux also but I doubt it
[21:30] <alex__> thanks... but I haven't yet installed 8.04... I am just wondering if should I wait and install it... or work may way from 7.10
[21:30] <ompaul> !timebasedreleases | amikrop (this is its thinking)
[21:30] <ubotu> amikrop (this is its thinking): Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:30] <acid_> is there any command line to change the resolution of a running X session from vt1. I'm using the radeon driver and gnome-display-properties allowed me to switch to external videoprojector, but I'm unable to get my laptop screen back.
[21:30] <acid_> thx
[21:30] <apollo13> Pelo: I know, I told you it's not actually an error, but there already where cases, where a package required a newer version or something like it -> resulting in the old version being removed, left with no version as it wasn't in the archives already
[21:30] <filosofixit> alex_ : try ENVY to install the latest ATI drivers on feist :)
[21:30] <apollo13> crimsun: hmm, I thought apt-file would tell me that, but it didn't
[21:30] <ompaul> amikrop, each of those can be upgraded - but frankly on a piecemeal basis ... that would be break
[21:30] <mvo> katad0t1s: right - the partial upgrade prompt is a side effect of the earlier failure, the fact that it hangs at the same point is not good
[21:30] <Pelo> amikrop, it does not , updates for security and fixes if they become available,  upgrades fro new versions of apps every 6 months
[21:31] <filosofixit> alex_ : sorry Gutsy...
[21:31] <ompaul> !envy | filosofixit alex__
[21:31] <ubotu> filosofixit alex__: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[21:31] <mvo> katad0t1s: but then not unexpected as it is the same code (update-manager in partial upgrade mode uses parts of the release-upgrader code)
[21:31] <alex__> filosofixit: ok.. thanks for the info, I will wait and install 8.04 then...
[21:31] <katad0t1s> mvo should i still try the cdrom thing?
[21:31] <alex__> thanks for the info guys!
[21:31] <filosofixit> alex_ : just a few days left now :)
[21:31] <amikrop> I think it would be better and more stable (breakeage-safe) to follow the rolling updates release pattern.
[21:31] <Pelo> apollo13, you can sudo apt-get install volumeid ,  if a newer package is available it will be instaled if there are any conflicts you'll be told before proccesing
[21:32] <besonen_pidgin> after installing kde4-8.04-beta i updated all packages.  all the packages downloaded fine but the update halts just prior to applying the updates.  what can i do to correct this?
[21:32] <apollo13> crimsun: Ah works now, should have run apt-file update before ;) thx for your help, and you to Pelo
[21:32] <Pelo> amikrop, not realy,  rolling updates just get all the latest bugs
[21:32] <Idrogeno> amikrop: once again, you saying that suggests that you do not understand anywhere near enough about the way systems work to be succesful doing so
[21:32] <Idrogeno> amikrop: I would suggest doing more research beforing coming up with these "bright" ideas
[21:32] <mvo> katad0t1s: it won't hurt, but the partial upgrade hanging looks like its a good new clue!
[21:32] <apollo13> Pelo: I know, thx, but volume_id seems to be somewhat essential so I am feeling safer if I ask before; as hardy is already my production sys
[21:33] <Pelo> Idrogeno, you're not being helpfull , or even informative
[21:33] <filosofixit> ompaul : maybe not wise of me to recommend a unsupported tool here?
[21:34] <katad0t1s> mvo cd was commented out
[21:34] <Idrogeno> Pelo: I don't need to be, people making suggestions without researching what those suggestions imply should rethink what they are doing
[21:34] <ompaul> filosofixit, correct ;-)
[21:34] <topyli> Idrogeno, be nice
[21:34] <topyli> too late
[21:34] <filosofixit> ompaul : sorry about that :) will never happen again...
[21:34] <acid_> gah, how do you switch channels in irssi ? :o
[21:35] <mvo> katad0t1s: ok, thanks
[21:35] <Arelis> Hey everybody. I ran the installer, but it crashed at the part where it checked the mirror list. Now what do I do?
[21:35] <Han> acid_, alt-number
[21:35] <Pelo> Arelis, clean install ?
[21:35] <Arelis> yes
[21:35] <Pelo> Arelis, what distro ?
[21:36] <Pelo> what release I mean
[21:36] <Arelis> Ubuntu Hardy Heron Release Candidate
[21:36]  * Pelo buts out
[21:36] <Pelo> Arelis, mirrors maybe a bit over loaded at the moment , might be a reason
[21:36] <Arelis> so how do i make the install continue?
[21:36]  * Pelo still doesn'T get why he only got 9 packages on his last update 
[21:36] <basso> RC of 8.04?
[21:36] <Arelis> it had everything installed, but then it quit at 80%
[21:36] <Han> I had to switch to another mirror too
[21:37]  * Pelo just realised that maybe the canadian mirrors just aren'T up yet 
[21:37] <Han> sed -i 's|\.nl|.de| /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:38] <Arelis> so how do i make the install continue?
[21:38] <Han> For switching from the dutch to the german mirror
[21:38] <Arelis> Han: thanks
[21:38] <Han> And then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:38] <Arelis> do i have to restart the install all over again?
[21:39] <Han> Errr my solution does not apply to your problem.
[21:39] <mvo> katad0t1s: I'm preparing a new test-case for you, please give me a sec
[21:39] <katad0t1s> mvo ok mate
[21:39] <ampex> can someone tell me where the default us multiverse hardy repo is?
[21:39] <Han> Can somebody tell me something about fglrx and 10% proco usage?
[21:40] <ampex> the sources.list entry?
[21:40] <Arelis> so how do i make the install continue?
[21:40] <Arelis> do i have to restart the install all over again?
[21:40] <Han> Arelis, sure, and try another country
[21:40] <pwuertz> hi.. I'm having problems with compiz... it seems like compiz is unable to set a minimal configuration to work
[21:41] <Pelo> Han, fglrx is the direct rendering thingy I beleive,  do you have a lot of compiz-effects running ?
[21:41] <bbernie> anyone having problems downloading the java 6 JRE in hardy, It says the file doesnt exist in the repo
[21:41] <Han> No I disabled compiz, I just run the fglrx since it's the fastest driver available.
[21:41] <Pelo> pwuertz, how minimal do you want it ?  metacity does compositing now ,  shadows transparancies
[21:41] <Pelo> minor menu anim
[21:41] <pwuertz> for example.. i have to manually start compiz-decorator
[21:41] <Han> compiz is just as broken as it was with 7.04
[21:43] <pwuertz> no.. I'm talking about a bug... when I enable desktop effects, i get a desktop that looks like something without a wm at all
[21:43] <pwuertz> no decorations, no shortcuts for moving windows without decorations
[21:43] <x1250> pwuertz: without window borders?
[21:43] <pwuertz> yep
[21:43] <mvo> katad0t1s: please download http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-manager/update-manager and run it with "sudo python update-manager --dist-upgrade"  - it should print out some stuff
[21:43] <Han> then compiz aint running
[21:44] <Lamego> bbernie, try using another mirror
[21:44] <pwuertz> Han: yes.. thats what I thought
[21:44] <x1250> try ALT + F2: compiz --replace
[21:44] <Arelis> Han: the installer won't run
[21:44] <pwuertz> x1250: compiz is running
[21:44] <pwuertz> but... when I manually start compiz-decorator.. i get window decorations
[21:44] <mvo> katad0t1s: make sure you run the sudo python in the same dir that the update-manager thing was downloaded into
[21:44] <mazeman> are you using multiple monitors?
[21:44] <pwuertz> no
[21:44] <bbernie> Lamego, thx
[21:45] <mvo> katad0t1s: for me it prints http://paste.ubuntu.com/7435/ - I wonder what it prints for you when it hangs
[21:45] <chtri> KVM still requires specific hardware support?
[21:45] <pwuertz> compiz is actually running and working.. but it doesn't make it on its own
[21:45] <x1250> pwuertz: you could try starting compiz-decorator in your session startup, although an ugly fix
[21:45] <x1250> if it fixes it...
[21:45] <katad0t1s> mvo i downloaded as htm; i should change it to .py right?
[21:45] <pwuertz> something is really broken
[21:46] <mvo> pwuertz: and ccsm has the decorator plugin enabled? what is the command in there ?
[21:46] <Arelis> Does anybody want to help me? I want to run the installer but it won't run. It crashed at some point (75%~100%) and now it doesn't want to open anymore
[21:46] <Arelis> How do i make the installation continue?
[21:46] <pwuertz> mvo: no.. I'm just using a clean installation without ccsm.... hardy from scratch
[21:46] <mvo> pwuertz: could you please install ccsm to see if  Window decorations / Commmand set to /usr/bin/compiz-decorator?
[21:46] <Pelo> Arelis, clean install , start from scratch ,
[21:46] <binarical-app> does anyone here have a macbook intel c 2 ...... there seems to be a slight problem as to me being able to use my head phones .....the jack / plug doesnt work . in other words when i plug in ... sound stops from the internal speakers , but no sound is re routed thru the plug to the head phones.......any help ?
[21:47] <mvo> katad0t1s: changing the extension is not really needed, it should work without too
[21:47] <Arelis> Pelo: what do you mean with clean install? reboot the livecd?
[21:47] <pwuertz> when I select "extra" from the appearance menu, compiz should be configured in order to use the wobble effect... but it doesnt... it seems gnome/the ubuntu config tool cannot configure compiz at all
[21:47] <pwuertz> I have to do it on my own
[21:48] <Pelo> Arelis, you said earlier that you were installing the RC from scratch, so if you were "clean installing" to begin with,  just restart the live cd and install again from start
[21:48] <Arelis> ok
[21:49] <binarical-app> any ideas any one?
[21:49] <pwuertz> got it!
[21:49] <mvo> pwuertz: anything in ~/.xsession-errors that looks compiz releated?
[21:49] <pwuertz> the meta-package "compiz" was not installed by default
[21:49] <mvo> *cough*
[21:49] <katad0t1s> mvo it didn't really print anything at all
[21:49] <mvo> pwuertz: really?!?
[21:49] <Pelo> binarical-app, I think you need to enable jack-sense ?  look in the volume properties
[21:49] <pwuertz> which pulls in "compiz-gnome"
[21:49] <ampex> is there a way I can get a copy of the default sources.list from a 8.04 install?
[21:49] <katad0t1s> it just launched the window that froze
[21:50] <pwuertz> and I guess "compiz-gnome" was supposed to configure compiz correctly
[21:50] <mvo> katad0t1s: ok, give me a sec, I update it
[21:50] <pwuertz> without this package, compiz was loaded without any configuration, which looked broken
[21:51] <mvo> pwuertz: fresh install with the live-cd? what arch?
[21:51] <ubuntu> i cant use compiz with my ati radeon xpress200m in hardy
[21:51] <cps1966> anyone know if new kernel will be in final release
[21:51] <pwuertz> mvo: i386
[21:51] <pwuertz> mvo: used some daily live cd
[21:52] <pwuertz> mvo: maybe I picked some bad day to reinstall my system ^^
[21:52] <mvo> pwuertz: aha, ok - thats possible then, the dailys do not have the same level of QA
[21:52] <binarical-app> thank you pelo
[21:52]  * binarical-app does a booty dance
[21:53] <mvo> katad0t1s: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-manager/update-manager-gutsy <- the same dance please :)
[21:53] <genie> Hi all, I am using Evolution Mail with freePOPs, every things working fine, but I am getting an error every time I click on Send/Receive, the error message say: Failed to read a valid greeting from POP server localhost
[21:53] <mvo> katad0t1s: just "sudo python update-manager-gutsy" this time
[21:53] <katad0t1s> mvo one prob..i dont know what procces to kill to get rid of the window this time
[21:53] <ubuntu> how i install propietary drivers?
[21:54] <Lamego> cps1966, I would not expect a kernel upgrade at this stage
[21:54] <cps1966> ok thx
[21:54] <pwuertz> mvo: maybe I should check for compiz-gnome next time I install a system and file a bug if necessary
[21:55] <pwuertz> mvo: although I don't think such a thing has not been noticed by now ^^
[21:55] <mvo> katad0t1s: ctrl-c in the terminal you started it should work
[21:55] <mvo> pwuertz: I just checked, my RC install has the compiz package installed :)
[21:55] <katad0t1s> mvo nope
[21:55] <katad0t1s> mvo i killed with ctrl-z
[21:55] <katad0t1s> and shut down the terminal
[21:55] <katad0t1s> mvo window still there though
[21:56] <mvo> katad0t1s: ps ax | grep python (should give you the id)
[21:56] <mvo> katad0t1s: you need to be root to kill it
[21:57] <Infecto> where to report bug, launchpad?
[21:57] <crimsun> Infecto: yes
[21:58] <darthanubis> !launchpad
[21:58] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[21:59] <cps1966> anyone get skype to work with logitech pro 5000 cam
[21:59] <katad0t1s> mvo sudo python update-manager-gutsy
[21:59] <katad0t1s> warning: could not initiate dbus
[21:59] <katad0t1s> mvo and it froze..
[22:00] <Tyrano> Has anyone been able to get the RC too boot on a MacBook Pro (santa rosa chipset)?
[22:00] <Ratshell> hey anyone else having issues with youtube.com?
[22:00] <katad0t1s> mvo wait
[22:00] <katad0t1s> mvo it progresses
[22:00] <Tyrano> I get a ton of errors and it just hangs
[22:00] <mvo> katad0t1s: no output on the terminal?
[22:00] <katad0t1s> mvo says about partial update again. should i pick partial? terminal has output
[22:01] <mvo> katad0t1s: cancel it please and run it with "sudo python update-manager --dist-upgrade"
[22:01] <mvo> katad0t1s: my bad, forget to add the "--dist-upgrade"
[22:01] <katad0t1s> mvo ok
[22:01] <mvo> katad0t1s: *sigh* "sudo python update-manager-gutsy --dist-upgrade" <- this should be right now .)
[22:02] <Tyrano> Are there some flags I need to set for this MBP? Maybe no acpi or something of that nature? Or does 8.04 just not work on Apple hardware?
[22:02] <Tyrano> With EFI :/
[22:03] <Infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/219362
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219362 in ubuntu "ups in dmesg sysfs_add_one() " [Undecided,New]
[22:04] <katad0t1s> mvo, http://pastebin.com/m1ccb87fe
[22:05] <|DuReX|> Mirrors are syncing, be patient -> thats why I get Sum mismatch on apt-get update right ? :)
[22:05] <abbe> hi channel
[22:05] <abbe> any xserver-xorg-video-intel users here ?
[22:05] <mvo> katad0t1s: great! and the hang looks exactly like the screenshot you sent me?
[22:06] <crimsun> abbe: sure.
[22:06] <abbe> I experienced that xserver-xorg-video-intel is slower in hardy
[22:06] <katad0t1s> mvo yeap...why is this great?
[22:06] <abbe> than gutsy, crimsun
[22:06] <mvo> katad0t1s: becase this nails the area down quite a bit where the bug is
[22:06] <abbe> I mean my xterm is flickering very much on simple resize
[22:06] <cps1966> Lamego:  seems as though last kernel broke uvcvideo
[22:06] <crimsun> abbe: it seems pretty good here
[22:06] <katad0t1s> mvo ..oh ok..great indeed then!
[22:07] <katad0t1s> mvo do u need more testing?
[22:07] <abbe> I'm using 945G with 2 GiB RAM, no Compiz/Beryl + running on IceWM
[22:07]  * abbe pasted a video at http://wahjava.googlepages.com/flickering-xterm.ogg (806 KiB)
[22:07] <Lamego> |DuReX|, probably
[22:07] <crimsun> abbe: I'll restart; sec.
[22:07] <|DuReX|> Lamego: any id how long syncing takes ?
[22:09] <katad0t1s> mvo
[22:09] <mvo> katad0t1s: yes, but I need some minutes to try to figure out where to look next
[22:09] <katad0t1s> mvo can we continue this tomorrow cause its getting really late here?
[22:10] <mvo> katad0t1s: absolutely, thanks a lot for your help so far, that was really great
[22:10] <katad0t1s> mvo ok cool mate, just mail me to set a meeting
[22:10] <mvo> katad0t1s: will do!
[22:11] <katad0t1s> mvo goodnight mate
[22:11] <mvo> goodnight
[22:11] <crimsun> abbe: ok, I can't reproduce your symptom
[22:11] <crimsun> abbe: I am not, however, using the defaults.
[22:11] <abbe> crimsun: what do you mean ? and which graphics chip ?
[22:12] <benobo> since last round of updates i'm unable to moun my ntfs volume, is this an issue or is it just me?
[22:13] <crimsun> abbe: 945GM.  I use INTEL_BATCH=1 in /etc/environment and the greedy "MigrationHeuristic" option in Section "Device" of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:14] <NotSure> Hi, is there good conversion program in synaptics that would convert a .png picture file to a .jpg picture file?
[22:14] <abbe> crimsun: where you get that option from ?
[22:14] <Lamego> NotSure, imagemagick
[22:15] <crimsun> abbe: it's a holdover from older hardy
[22:15] <donomo> for those plagued by ff3b5 crashes, like i have been for the past few weeks, firebug 1.1 was the problem.
[22:15] <Lamego> NotSure, then just: convert file.png file.jpg
[22:15] <crimsun> abbe: there's an xserver-xorg-video-intel bug report in Launchpad, but I don't have it handy.
[22:16] <abbe> crimsun: okay, thanks for help :), I'll go through launchpad mcquack
[22:16] <NotSure> Lamego: imagemagic - got it - thanks much !
[22:17] <Lamego> gick
[22:19] <mazeman> so after a backup, the only thing I need to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 RC is "sudo update-manager --devel-release"?
[22:19] <mvo> mazeman: the sudo should not be required (but should work too)
[22:19] <mazeman> sweet
[22:20] <mvo> let us know how the upgrade goes :)
[22:20] <NotSure> Lamego: Shows I have that I have imagemagick installed already - Does it show up as a different name program in "Applications/Graphics" folder - can't see it listed under this name?
[22:20] <mazeman> mvo: sure
[22:20] <joeamined> hi
[22:21] <joeamined> how to upgrade from gutsy to hardy without installing ubuntu-desktop package ?
[22:21] <NotSure> Lamego: Can I run "imagemagick" from konsole command line to see what program starts up?
[22:22] <NotSure> What command would I use?
[22:22] <Lamego> NotSure, from the command line "conver source_file target_file"
[22:22] <abbe> joeamined: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && sed -e 's/gutsy/hardy/g'  && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:22] <Lamego> convert
[22:22] <NotSure> Oh ok - easy enough thanks
[22:22] <abbe> joeamined: s[dy/g'[dy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list[g
[22:23] <joeamined> ????
[22:23] <mvo> joeamined: or try to install update-manager-core and run "do-release-upgrade --mode server"
[22:24] <mvo> (might need a sudo before that)
[22:26] <joeamined> i tried do-release-upgrade -d
[22:26] <joeamined> is it alright ?
[22:27] <mvo> joeamined: yeah, that should be good too - the calculation should ignore the not-installed ubuntu-desktop now. does that work for you?
[22:27] <joeamined> yep
[22:27] <abbe> crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers?highlight=(MigrationHeuristic)
[22:27] <mvo> cool
[22:28] <joeamined> :)
[22:28] <joeamined> thnks for the help
[22:28] <mvo> np
[22:28] <crimsun> abbe: yes, it's explained in the bug report, too.
[22:30] <DB42> another problem :)
[22:30] <DB42> i think my laptop doesn't dim the screen when idle, i mean it goes black but not blank (i.e. i think the floracent is still on) in 7.10 it worked ok, any ideas ?
[22:31] <Arelis> Hello everybody. I succesfully have hardy installed now, but the restricted ATI drivers give me some problems. when i run fgl_glxgears, or any other 3d program, everything looks like a puzzle that is constantly randomly jumping around.
[22:31] <abbe> crimsun: do I need INTEL_DISPATCH="1" after adding MigrationHeuristic option or it'll show its effect before adding the option, hmm...?
[22:31] <clusty> hey
[22:32] <Luckrider> Arelis, what driver is it?
[22:32] <clusty> how can I reinstall an app and bring the config to the default one?
[22:32] <Arelis> Luckrider: fglrx. ATI Radeon 9600
[22:32] <Luckrider> ok
[22:32] <Luckrider> that is the driver I have
[22:32] <abbe> crimsun: I tried INTEL_DISPATCH=1 glxgears, 4997 frames in 5.0 seconds = 999.375 FPS
[22:32] <abbe> , glxgears, 4705 frames in 5.0 seconds = 940.963 FPS
[22:32] <Luckrider> and I have the Radeon Firgl, that should work for you
[22:32] <cps1966> found the reason logitech pro 5000 dont work in ubuntu its using V4L instead of V4L2
[22:33] <Arelis> Luckrider: I had this in OpenSuSE too. I slept a night and it got solved, apparently.
[22:33] <crimsun> abbe: I use both.
[22:33] <Arelis> the problem just disappeared
[22:33] <DB42> anybody got a clue how do i turn off monitor on idle in laptop ?
[22:33] <Luckrider> I am using Fusion, and I have not had a problem, are you using dual monitors?
[22:33] <Arelis> but it's back now
[22:33] <Arelis> nope
[22:33] <Luckrider> oh
[22:33] <Luckrider> hm...
[22:33] <Luckrider> it is possibly a RAM problem, maybe not
[22:33] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[22:34] <abbe> crimsun: okay
[22:34] <Luckrider> I just wanted to make sure that you were using the right driver Arelis
[22:34] <bts3685> anyone have any issues with hardy in a DNSMASQ network?
[22:35] <cps1966> Lamego:  do you know how to get v4l2
[22:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> just for funsies, i want to see if i can manage to get compiz running on my fiancee's video card (an integrated via that makes me cry every time i think about it)
[22:35]  * SuperQ cranks up his -rc torrents
[22:35] <Arelis> Luckrider: thanks for the help then :)
[22:36] <Luckrider> np
[22:36] <clusty> how can I reinstall an app and bring the config to the default one?
[22:36] <Luckrider> sorry I couldn't help more
[22:36] <Arelis> y. I succesfully have hardy installed now, but Anyboy else? the restricted ATI drivers give me some problems. when i run fgl_glxgears, or any other 3d program, everything looks like a puzzle that is constantly randomly jumping around. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9600
[22:36] <Arelis> Luckrider: no problem
[22:36] <_derspankster> Daisuke_Laptop: I've tried with my integrated SIS on my laptop with no joy.
[22:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> _derspankster: i would probably have more luck trying to turn water into wine
[22:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> or vice versa (which is much much easier)
[22:37] <cps1966> just add grapes
[22:38] <_derspankster> Daisuke_Laptop: this SIS is pure junk on my Acer
[22:38] <Arelis> Oops, my question was screwed up
[22:38] <Arelis> Anyboy else? I succesfully have hardy installed now, but the restricted ATI drivers give me some problems. when i run fgl_glxgears, or any other 3d program, everything looks like a puzzle that is constantly randomly jumping around. My video card is an ATI Radeon 9600
[22:38] <Arelis> Anyboy=anybody
[22:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> wonder how it would work with a gf2
[22:38] <_derspankster> Outside of that, it's a good laptop
[22:39] <crdlb> Daisuke_Laptop: which gf2?
[22:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> mx 400
[22:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> 64mb, pci
[22:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> not a powerful card at all, i use it to drive SD video in my media box
[22:39]  * crdlb checks the nvidia card list
[22:40] <crdlb> the gf2 models are split between ancient (nvidia-glx-legacy) and old (nvidia-glx)
[22:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm thinking i'm just "old" here
[22:40] <Luckrider> So... Hardy Heron goes live in 6 days, can't wait, but I will miss the ability to get real help here.
[22:40] <crdlb> it's supported by nvidia-glx, so compiz would work
[22:41] <Luckrider> there won't be a channel specifoc for 8.04?
[22:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> Luckrider: yeah, #ubuntu
[22:41] <crdlb> you'd probably want to use INDIRECT=yes though
[22:41] <Luckrider> see...
[22:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> see... what?
[22:41] <crimsun> not specifically for 8.04 only, no.
[22:41] <Luckrider> I like this better Daisuke_Laptop, it is better
[22:41] <Luckrider> that is why it is better it is specific for this version
[22:42] <Luckrider> hm... let me se if it is possible to create a version specific chan
[22:42]  * Daisuke_Laptop goes to start a channel for support of JUST the 169.x line of nvidia drivers
[22:42] <Luckrider> lol
[22:42] <crdlb> most support in #ubuntu is for the current version and the current LTS
[22:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> this is a bad idea, and causes fracturing.  a general support channel is there for a reason
[22:43] <Luckrider> ok... now there is a channel called Hard.04 if anyone wants to take over and register it, that is fine (I ama to lazy right now)
[22:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[22:43] <hydrogen> why...
[22:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> what's wrong with sticking to *official* support channels?
[22:44] <hydrogen> it'll be dead in two hours.
[22:44] <hydrogen> at the latest
[22:44] <pukeko> how?
[22:45] <Luckrider> I want it to be taken over to be an "official" support channel for Hardy Heron
[22:45] <Luckrider> It is easier to find hel when you are in a version specific channel
[22:45] <Luckrider> it is dead Hydrogen
[22:45] <Luckrider> nobody is there
[22:45] <hydrogen> It's not easier to find help
[22:45] <hydrogen> The official channel supports the current version
[22:46] <Jordan_U> Luckrider, It's easier to help people if they stick to one channel :)
[22:46] <Luckrider> that is true
[22:46] <Luckrider> there
[22:46] <Luckrider> no more chan
[22:46] <Luckrider> Bye Bye
[22:46] <pukeko> hydrogen: early morn here.. i missread -thoughyou said I'll bedead ..
[22:46] <Jordan_U> Luckrider, and I think you may be mistaking the fact that there are more *known* bugs in development versions for there being better support
[22:47] <Luckrider> that is true
[22:47] <abbe> crimsun: same flickering after MigrationHeuristics :(
[22:48] <Luckrider> I just hate it when I go to #ubuntu, and I get help only the person who wants to help can't because they don't know about the version that I have.
[22:48] <_derspankster> Luckrider: only if you don't tell them
[22:48] <Luckrider> that is true
[22:48] <Luckrider> I guess I asume to much
[22:49] <Luckrider> although, that is the first thing I ask when someone is looking fo help
[22:52] <besonen_pidgin> [re-post, any help would be much appreciated] after installing kde4-8.04-beta i updated all packages.  all the packages downloaded fine but the update halts just prior to applying the updates.  what can i do to correct this?
[22:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> besonen_pidgin: sudo apt-get -f install
[22:54] <cool> can i upgrade from 7.10 32bit to 8.04 64bit ?
[22:54] <macogw> whats up with -16 not working for um....anything?
[22:54] <Luckrider> Using a disk, yes
[22:54] <Luckrider> not so sure about through terminal
[22:55] <Luckrider> Cool
[22:55] <macogw> oh nevermind
[22:55] <macogw> it was the lack of linux-ubuntu-modules
[22:55] <cool> Luckrider, really, sure, x86 to x64 upgrade is possible?
[22:55] <macogw> umm why is there no virtual package for lu-m?
[22:55] <Luckrider> I think so
[22:55] <Luckrider> if
[22:56] <Luckrider> you have a 64 bit computer of course
[22:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> err
[22:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't think so
[22:56] <Milos_SD> I am interested in that too... but I want to upgrade from 8.04 32bit to 8.04 64bit :)
[22:56] <NotSure> Hi, Will K3b burning app work in Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 - currently run Gnome - Do Not intend on installing KDE desktop?
[22:56] <Luckrider> you don't Daisuke?
[22:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think that would actually require a fresh installation
[22:57] <Luckrider> If it is a clean install, and it is a 64 bit comp, then it should be no problem
[22:57] <Luckrider> that is what I was talking about
[22:57] <Luckrider> I didn't mean upgrade throught the disk
[22:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> but you can't upgrade from one to the other, it doesn't work that way
[22:57] <Luckrider> I guess i was Ambiguous
[22:57] <Milos_SD> but, is there a way to do the upgrade without reinstall?
[22:57] <cool> i have 64bit CPU but OS is 32bit
[22:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> Milos_SD: not to my knowledge
[22:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> cool: you have 4gb or more of ram?
[22:58] <cool> Daisuke_Laptop, nopes
[22:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> cool: do you do a lot of really seriously processor intensive tasks?
[22:58] <Milos_SD> installing kernel wirh force arch and all packeges that I have?
[22:59] <cool> Daisuke_Laptop, sometimes i do
[22:59] <Milos_SD> with*
[22:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> Milos_SD: you'll have less problems just installing fresh
[22:59] <besonen_pidgin> thanks Diasuke_Laptop: "sudo apt-get -f install" doesn't recognize that i've already downloaded over 300 megs of updates (with Adept Manager).  how do i tell apt-get to grab the updates (which it will then find cached)?
[22:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> try...  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:59] <apocx> can i request more for new version Ubuntu?
[22:59] <cool> I decided to got for a fresh install, but can i carry my settings?
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> cool: just keep your /home
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> back it up and then copy it back
[23:00] <darthanubis> no updates in the repos
[23:00] <darthanubis> guess I had the RC all along
[23:00] <cool> nosrednaekim, its on / itself :|
[23:00] <darthanubis> ho hum
[23:00] <besonen_pidgin> Daisuke_Laptop:  "sudo dpkg --configure -a" appeared to do nothing
[23:01]  * cool is in processing of downloading Ubuntu 8.04 RC 64bit
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> cool: thats ok, just copy it off, unless its very very big, then you can do other tricky things
[23:02] <cool> nosrednaekim, The whole of ~ or just ~.<files>
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> all of it is better
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> keep your files too
[23:05] <nonewmsg> is the rc different from the beta?
[23:05]  * cool just finished downloading RC
[23:06] <cool> nonewmsg, yes
[23:06]  * nonewmsg wonders if i can have that sweet, sweet wired internet again with rc
[23:06]  * cool is now thinking whether to seed or to proceed with install
[23:06] <_derspankster> nonewmsg: as I see it, updated Beta should be the same as RC, cool, why am I wrong?
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> _derspankster: its exactly the same
[23:07] <nonewmsg> the beta broke my wired internet so i cannot update
[23:07] <_derspankster> nosrednaekim: that's what I thought
[23:07] <nonewmsg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=735936&highlight=hardy+wired
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> cool: please do seed for a bit
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> cool: and backup your home DIR while you are at it
[23:10] <nonewmsg> is tere a bugreport for that?  i am new at the bug stuff
[23:11] <cool> nosrednaekim, sure, i will. many people would be needing 8.04
[23:11] <cool> nosrednaekim, whats the best method to back home?
[23:12] <nonewmsg> creation hi
[23:12] <nonewmsg> creation use www.pastebin.com
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> cool: tar it up and put it on an external drive
[23:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> or another internal if you have the space
[23:14] <pfo> is there a way to get the gutsy kubuntu wall paper for kdm and the desktop? i _hate_ the new hardy artwork :/
[23:14] <cool> nosrednaekim, will my contacts in thunderbird also to transferred?
[23:15] <Zoem> is there any way to watch what programs are using my network connection, and what the destination of the traffic is?
[23:15] <cool> Zoem, netstat
[23:15] <Zoem> cool, cool :)
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> cool: yep
[23:15] <crimsun> (see also darkstat)
[23:16] <cool> nosrednaekim, Last question. How do i restore it?
[23:16] <Johninky> Can anyone tell me what python is and what it is used for???
[23:16] <Zoem> now, what I really came here for, since I could have googled that :)... why is exaile using my entire upload bandwidth?
[23:17] <cool> Johninky, i can't but Google can. just google for python.
[23:17] <tux_> Johninky, extremely versatile and popular programming language
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> cool: if you ran tar within your home dir, cd to the /home of your new install and uncompress it.
[23:17] <cool> nosrednaekim, does it make sense to make a separate /home?
[23:17] <Johninky> can I mess things up with playing in it
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> cool: and you MAY need to assign permissions, so run "chown -R * username.username"
[23:18] <tux_> Johninky, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)
[23:18] <cvd-pr> easy way to share files between ubuntu and windows xp
[23:18] <cool> cvd-pr, head to #ubuntu
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> Johninky: the command run on the terminal is a very simple little python interpreter than you can type little programs into
[23:19] <cvd-pr> i use heron
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> cvd-pr: samba possibly
[23:20] <Zoem> cvd-pr: samba. you can get it from add/remove applications, and configure it with gsambad, which is also there
[23:20] <Johninky> ok I saw it an update and i know I have never used it, I think I will try
[23:22] <cool>  cvd-pr, sharing files on same Box or other box in network?
[23:23] <cvd-pr> cool, two pcs one lan cable
[23:23] <Johninky> ok sence that question has been answered can I go to t the next one
[23:23] <cool> cvd-pr, !samba
[23:23] <cool> !samba | cvd-pr
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> Johninky: sure
[23:24] <cvd-pr> ok let me try,
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> Johninky: you have used python every second of your Ubuntu experience, most Ubuntu utilities are written in python
[23:24] <Johninky> ok ever time I run Live one care in ubuntu 8.04 and it tell me I have over 100 viruses and then I delete then and then I have to reinstall Ubuntu ever time, Why
[23:26] <Johninky> ok  let me back up to the begining  did I say I was a very new be to all linux programs
[23:26] <Boohbah> Johninky: wtf is Live one care?
[23:26] <Some_Person> is it safe to upgrade ubuntu to hardy-rc?
[23:26] <Some_Person> i have gutsy but really want tot try hardy
[23:27] <cool> Some_Person, Yeah.
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> Some_Person: Its fairly stable now.... and its going to be faster now than for two weeks AFTER the release
[23:27] <Johninky> live one care is my antivirus for windows, and i installed it in ubuntu
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> Johninky: how did you manage to do THAT?
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> and secondly, you don'
[23:27] <nosrednaekim> t
[23:27] <nosrednaekim>  need anti-virus for Linux
[23:27] <Some_Person> no big bugs that should prevent me from upgrading?
[23:27] <Boohbah> Johninky: linux doesn't have viruses
[23:27] <cool> Johninky, are you mad?
[23:28] <darthanubis> Some_Person, if your that shook on trying , just wait
[23:28] <cvd-pr> So, only conect the cable and done?
[23:28] <nosrednaekim> Some_Person: not that I am aware of
[23:28] <darthanubis> Some_Person, you sound liek a final release canidate
[23:28] <Some_Person> great, i'll try it then
[23:28] <darthanubis> never take others word
[23:28] <darthanubis> we all have different hardware
[23:28] <Some_Person> its just my first time with pre-release ubuntu
[23:29] <darthanubis> especially your first time
[23:29] <Johninky> I used ndisgtk  ( system to admin to synaptic package MGR and installed open ndisgtk and installed live one care
[23:29] <cool> cvd-pr, you need to configure it also. wiki.ubuntu.com/samba
[23:29] <cool> Johninky, remove it, its a windows thing
[23:29] <darthanubis> Some_Person, if something goes wrong, you will blame somebody besides you
[23:29] <Some_Person> as a precaution, i will restore firefox 2 before upgrading, i've been using ff3 in /opt/firefox
[23:29] <Boohbah> ndisgtk is a GTK+ based frontend for ndiswrapper, allowing an easy way to install Windows wireless drivers
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> Johninky: uhhh thats for wireless drivers I think, but I may be wrong
[23:29] <Boohbah> what??
[23:30] <Some_Person> i will blame myself for problems, i promise
[23:30] <darthanubis> Some_Person, thats why the topic says, know what your doing
[23:30] <Johninky> I was told to use ndisgtk to install any windows .exe
[23:30] <Pelo> trivial question,  does anyone have a dropdown back button in firefox ?
[23:31] <Boohbah> Johninky: no
[23:31] <Pelo> Johninky, drivers,   .inf
[23:31] <Some_Person> i am pretty experienced, so i think i'll be ok with a supposedly-stable rc. after all, thats what an rc is supposed to be (although microsoft seems to disagree)
[23:31] <darthanubis> only dropdown forward
[23:31] <darthanubis> but it has the previosu pages as well
[23:31] <darthanubis> thats all on mozilla's site
[23:31] <Pelo> darthanubis, thanks
[23:32] <Johninky> ok I think I have step out of my bounds with linux  why cant it be easy
[23:32] <Pelo> Johninky,  it is easy,  I donT' know what you'Re doing in a channel for a beta release if your new to linux tho
[23:32] <Pelo> Johninky, what's the issue ?
[23:33] <NotSure> , Thinking about downloading the KDE version - Anyone know the difference between the kububtu/8.04 and the kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/rc - versions?
[23:33] <Some_Person> wow, ff2 is so ugly
[23:33] <Pelo> NotSure, rc is the current, the other one is probably a beta
[23:33] <Johninky> I thought the channel was for 8.04
[23:33] <Pelo> Some_Person, ff3 beta5
[23:33] <Zoem> ok, I need to disable a sink on pulseaudio... anyone know how to do this?
[23:34] <Some_Person> this is the 8.04 channel
[23:34] <darthanubis> !kubuntu | NotSure
[23:34] <Some_Person> i know, i'm still on gutsy, preparing for the upgrade to hardy-rc
[23:34] <Pelo> Johninky, yes,   8.04 is the beta , now rc,  not exactly the easiet forsomeone new to linux
[23:34] <NotSure> Pelo:  Thank you so much - thought might be what "rc" stood for.... :-p
[23:34] <darthanubis> NotSure, join #kubuntu
[23:34] <Some_Person> so i restored firefox to ff2, and deleted the ff3 i've been using in /opt/firefox
[23:34] <darthanubis> !kubuntu
[23:34] <Some_Person> rc=release candidate
[23:35] <cool> Johninky, Linux is not WINDOWS. Please read this ==> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[23:35] <Pelo> Johninky, what issue are you having trouble with ?
[23:35] <darthanubis> this is going to be interesting
[23:35] <Johninky> This could be the set of all my problems being that this is a beta version
[23:35] <cool> Some_Person, RC is approximately equal a final release https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[23:35] <Some_Person> i know
[23:36] <Some_Person> i've done the reasearch
[23:36] <NotSure> darthanubis: currently running gnome hardy heron 8.04 beta on this desktop - just thought I'd throw out this quick question - didn't mean to cause problems....
[23:36] <Some_Person> *research
[23:36] <Some_Person> hardy-rc is now downloading through the update manager
[23:36] <darthanubis> NotSure, no problem, what question again?
[23:36] <darthanubis> KDe?
[23:36] <Pelo> Johninky, if you tell us the "actual" problem maybe we can give you a hand in solving them
[23:36] <x1250> cool, RC is date based, not bug based...
[23:37] <cvd-pr> cheese
[23:37] <Some_Person> since what release have y'all used ubuntu?
[23:37] <NotSure> darthanubis: Pelo gave me answer I needed - thx anyway
[23:37] <darthanubis> cvd-pr, rice
[23:37]  * Pelo helps ppl without even realising it , he is that good 
[23:37] <x1250> Some_Person: I did use hoary, then hardy, only those two
[23:37] <Zoem> grrrrr
[23:37] <x1250> in between, debian, and I still use it
[23:37] <cvd-pr> dont understans this
[23:37] <Some_Person> x1250: wow, why?
[23:38] <Zoem> anyone know pulseaudio at all?
[23:38]  * Pelo throws some raw meat at Zoem 
[23:38] <Some_Person> i've used every release since breezy
[23:38] <x1250> why used debian?
[23:38] <Zoem> lol pelo :)
[23:38] <Some_Person> damn, not enough free space on /
[23:38] <darthanubis> Some_Person, thought you said you were new?
[23:38] <Johninky> I really am not having a problem, other than a bunch of viruses and then one there removed I have to reinstall Ubuntu 8.04, everything is ok until I run a virus scan
[23:38] <Some_Person> new to using prerelease ubuntu, yes
[23:38] <Some_Person> new to ubuntu, no
[23:38] <peking> Johninky: What's a virus?
[23:39] <x1250> I like debian, its better than ubuntu for certain thing, but if you want it nice, you have to make it nice. Ubuntu comes nice from the start...
[23:39] <darthanubis> xD oye
[23:39] <Some_Person> damn, need to free 292M
[23:39] <darthanubis> x1250, amen
[23:39] <x1250> but I like debian's why, you want it, you install it. Ubuntu comes bloated, for ease of use. Its understandable tho
[23:39] <darthanubis> wrong
[23:39] <Pelo> Johninky, did you install ubuntu using wubi ? that might explain it ,  an regular install of ubuntu or any linux shouldn't realy get any virues
[23:39] <x1250> why/way
[23:39] <darthanubis> the minimal cd is bloated?
[23:39] <Zoem> nvm, I figured it out
[23:39] <Some_Person> x1250: why haven't you used any release between hoary and hardy?
[23:40] <Pelo> Some_Person, pop in a live cd  and resize man
[23:40] <darthanubis> the bloat slur is so bogus
[23:40] <darthanubis> you can install ubuntu however you care to
[23:40] <Some_Person> pelo: i have already tried the hardy live cd, it seems good
[23:40] <darthanubis> with or without "bloat"
[23:40] <darthanubis> stop it
[23:40] <cvd-pr> These default shares cant be changed at the moment.
[23:40] <cvd-pr> Edit the configuration for now
[23:40] <Johninky> no I have it on disk I used Ir buner and copied the .iso to a cd and then when to install
[23:40]  * Pelo would realy hve likes those snazzy menes that look like tabs but alass 
[23:40] <x1250> darthanubis: because the minimal cd is the mininal cd doesn't mean people actually use it. In fact, I didn't even know it existed, so I installed gutsy, updated to hardy and then cleaned up
[23:40] <Pelo> menus
[23:41] <Some_Person> ah, i can move 699M of video to my windows drive to free up space
[23:41] <Johninky> but I did try that wubi and things went all to you know what
[23:41] <Some_Person> Wubi=crapi
[23:41] <x1250> and in debian, my prefered installation is netinstall
[23:41] <Boohbah> Johninky: just because you can't install windows executables in ubuntu doesn't mean it's difficult
[23:41] <darthanubis> !wubi
[23:41] <darthanubis> ubotu
[23:41] <Pelo> Johninky, you do understand that you do not copy a .iso to a cd,  you "burn image" , right ?
[23:42] <darthanubis> !info wubi
[23:42] <Johninky> well you right Pelo
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> bot is dead
[23:42] <Pelo> darthanubis, can you do that in pm please
[23:42] <Some_Person> Johninky: i suggest you go to #ubuntu, this place is for the prerelease version
[23:42] <darthanubis> I see :(
[23:42] <darthanubis> Pelo do what?
[23:42] <darthanubis> I trigger the bot here for a reason you know?
[23:43] <darthanubis> like for what its used for
[23:43] <darthanubis> just now realized its dead
[23:43] <darthanubis> thx though
[23:43] <x1250> Some_Person: I did not used ubuntu again because of debian. I used debian with KDE, and recently with KDE4, from version 3.96 till a week ago. I decided to install ubuntu to see what devs where doing, just curious
[23:43] <darthanubis> Pelo to you
[23:44] <darthanubis> I've been doing just fine thanks again
[23:44] <Some_Person> x1250: i have personally tried debian, and i just prefer ubuntu. i like the bloat, because it lets you do a lot of stuff.
[23:44] <x1250> and I installed debian to learn, and I did. Its far easiest to learn in debian
[23:45] <x1250> in debian, if you want to do something you must go and learn howto do it
[23:45] <Some_Person> x1250: and KDE also just isn't for me. I'm a big GNOME fan, but I don't oppose KDE like some people do.
[23:45] <x1250> and thats not like that in ubuntu, to a certain extent
[23:45] <x1250> KDE4 is nice, but gnome + compiz is just better right now :)
[23:46] <bts3685> has anyone had a problem with hardy boxes getting dhcp and/or dns from a dnsmasq server?
[23:46] <Some_Person> x1250: compiz has a bug in clearlooks-based themes on my system so i dont use it
[23:47] <x1250> what windows vista guys find amazing is that with my crappy x1250 I have all effects :)
[23:47] <topyli> yay effects
[23:47] <peking> it's not THAT bad. atleast you're not stuck with an x200m :P
[23:47] <x1250> Some_Person: did you try murrine based? Theres a package for murrine in the repos, and in gnome-look there is murrine compact, dark and light versions, excellent theme.
[23:48] <Some_Person> any non-clearlooks based theme works fine
[23:48] <nosrednaekim> Xpress1100 here... total crap
[23:48] <Some_Person> unfortunately, i use the default ubuntu theme (i like it fine), but it is clearlooks-based
[23:49] <Some_Person> i wish hardy had this theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos
[23:50] <bts3685> Some_Person: that theme is awesome
[23:50] <Some_Person> too bad it's just a mockup
[23:50] <bts3685> seconded :(
[23:51] <x1250> Some_Person: this is murrine compact, dark human version: http://empresaenlinea.cl/murrine_compact.png
[23:51] <x1250> I'm using it right now, very nice theme
[23:51] <Some_Person> urgh, i forgot how ugly ff2 is
[23:51] <Some_Person> i hate dark themes
[23:52] <x1250> they're good for my eyes :)
[23:52] <Some_Person> they are a bit hard on my eyes
[23:53] <ascarter> apt-get dist-upgrade on my 8.04 box is telling me it will remove ubuntu-desktop, update-manager, and update-notifier
[23:53] <ascarter> Is that safe?
[23:54] <Some_Person> i like light themes like human, clearlooks, and glossy. i can tolerate legacyhuman, but thats about as dark as i'm willing to use
[23:55] <Some_Person> and that isn't even very dark
[23:55] <x1250> there is a light compact murrine, just like my theme (noticed the small menus?)
[23:56] <mvo> ascarter: what does apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true outputs?
[23:56] <mvo> ascarter: probably not very safe, how many packages does it wants to change?
[23:57] <x1250> he can do it, ubuntu-desktop is not essential
[23:57] <Some_Person> x1250: link to gnome-look (or ubuntu-art)?
[23:57] <x1250> he would have to reinstall them afterwards
[23:58] <ascarter> mvo: Nothing much shows up from dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver
[23:58] <x1250> Some_Person: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Murrine+Compact?content=78182
[23:58] <x1250> Some_Person: there are also other versions of murrine, checkout gtk2 section
[23:59] <Some_Person> ok
[23:59] <Some_Person> looks ok, i'll try it