[03:43] <DanaG> Earlier today, I heard discussion about compiling a new usplash theme; is there a screenshot somewhere?
[03:43] <DanaG> Of the new theme you're proposing.  (I don't remember who it was.)
[04:09] <Flannel> Hey guys, we're doing some CD sleeves, and we're having difficulty figuring out which colors are 'official', https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official says one RGB color, but then the PNG/SVG palettes list different colors.
[04:11] <DanaG> That reminds me... the DVD cover concepts still use the red-neck heron.
[05:19] <m-c> is there some 08.04 artwork that I can use on a website to promote the upcoming release?
[07:27] <troy_s> Flannel: There is no palette officially aside from the three logo colours which are clearly indicated on the wiki.
[07:27] <troy_s> Flannel: Ignore the rest.
[07:27] <DanaG> Wasn't somebody saying something about compiling a new usplash theme?
[07:27] <Flannel> troy_s: The wiki indicates multiple logo colors though.
[07:27] <troy_s> DanaG: I believe the usplash discussion was regarding a different implementation -- not for Ubuntu proper.
[07:28] <DanaG> aah.
[07:28] <troy_s> Flannel: There are three... the red yellow and orange.
[07:28] <DanaG> Changing the backend, rather than the theme?
[07:28] <Flannel> troy_s: And if you look at the "official" pallete, there are three (red, yellow, orange) "base" colors, which are different than the RGBs listed on the wiki page itself
[07:29] <troy_s> Flannel: Uh let me find them sorry.
[07:29] <troy_s> DanaG: Unrelated.
[07:29] <troy_s> Flannel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[07:30] <troy_s> You can see the 'word of god' there under the "Colours" section.
[07:31] <troy_s> Flannel: I would say in good faith that those hex values are respected, as I believe I originally posted them with the acceptance of Canonical.  That said, kwwii could give you a de facto authoritative 'stamped by Mark' update on that if he were required.
[07:33] <Flannel> troy_s: Someone may want to make sure everything on that page agrees then, since they currently dont.  And there is no official Kubuntu colors?
[07:33] <troy_s> Flannel: Again, there is extremely little attention given to things such as standards guides and such with all of the *buntus.  It is _awful_ for Ubuntu main, and worse as the others roll.
[07:34] <Flannel> Alright, I just figured I'd try and start off with the canonical colors (no pun intended... well, maybe a little bit) instead of having to try and retroactively fix it later
[07:35] <Flannel> troy_s: Thanks for your time, I've been trying to get a decent response for a few days.
[07:35] <Flannel> Actually, if there's no official colors for the other three flavors, what one color of each's logo would you pick if you had to?
[07:36] <troy_s> Flannel: Uh... at least you have only been waiting for a few days.
[07:36] <Flannel> troy_s: Yeah, I know how it goes
[07:36] <troy_s> Flannel: This is purely my opinion and worth nothing.  The lack of a standards guide and the devoted care and attention to all things design / art is symptomatic as far as I am concenred.
[07:36] <troy_s> concerned even.
[07:37] <Flannel> troy_s: I don't need a value, just a "top right color" sort of thing.  And yeah, I realise this is just your opinion
[07:37] <troy_s> Flannel: And in terms of palettes, it is yikes.  Colour should never ever equal brand.  Neither should a logo.  These are broad misconceptions carried about by FOSS types who have no knowledge or understanding of the concepts.
[07:37] <troy_s> Flannel: Brand is something that your audience gives you.
[07:38] <Flannel> troy_s: Well, we're just looking for something to differentiate the first letters of the flavor on our CD sleeves, not necessarily a branding, just a little bit of non-black
[07:39] <troy_s> Flannel: The knee jerk dead head response is something like Windows Blue for Kubuntu, Orange for Ubuntu, and Windows blue for Xubuntu.
[07:39] <Flannel> troy_s: Well, I was picking one of the colors from their logo for each, but having never used Kubuntu or Xubuntu, I'm unsure which to associate it most strongly with, of the various blues/greys
[07:40] <troy_s> Flannel: They are pretty colour androgenous.
[07:40] <troy_s> Flannel: What colour is Apple?
[07:40] <Flannel> I picked the orange for Ubuntu, and the Red for Edubuntu
[07:40] <troy_s> Flannel: Or what colour is Windows?
[07:40] <troy_s> lol
[07:40] <Flannel> Nah, I know, we're not creating a brand, we just want to make the differences stand out.
[07:41] <troy_s> Flannel: I would say roll with whatever your gut tells you after a precursory view.
[07:41] <troy_s> Flannel: I'd probably agree with your estimates at that point... Maybe a more greyish blue for Xub, but that is really just a guesswork opinion.
[07:41] <Flannel> alright, thanks for your input.
[07:43] <DanaG> I like the brown of the Gutsy wallpaper.
[07:47] <troy_s> DanaG: That makes one of you apparently.
[07:48] <DanaG> I do like it a "medium sized" amount better than the very specific current orange-brown.
[07:48] <DanaG> I'm also odd in other preferences: I prefer my touchpad over a mouse, and would get a keyboard with a touchpad for a desktop if I had to use one.
[07:50] <troy_s> DanaG: Perhaps the most salient point of all things is that when it comes to art and design, one must be aware that in almost all situations, ye be not ye audience.
[07:51] <DanaG> Yup.  Plus, everything's subjective.
[07:54] <troy_s> DanaG: Indeed.  That said, there are at least two relatively predictable variables in there -- Time and Culture.
[07:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I've tried out the fading wallpaper thing, and it seems like it'd take a large amount of work to make really good art for it.  I've hacked up a few themes from various wallpapers, but things act not quite as intended -- for example, if midday is bright blue and dusk is orange, then between those will be a dark purple.