[00:15] 01:13 * ubuntu found a bug in hardy beta disk [00:15] 01:13 < ubuntu> if you install konversation, it comes to #debian with the ubuntu nickname :D [00:16] euh === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow [00:18] Haha. Let's make the other clients do that as well. ;-) [00:21] * lamont notices bug 197311, considers reassigning it to udev as "udev (libvol_id doesn't support ext4" [00:21] Launchpad bug 197311 in util-linux "In order to support ext4, util-linux must use blkid (and not vol_id)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197311 [00:22] ion_: it's pretty demotivating that Ubuntu didn't manage to fix this in all those years [00:22] azeem: blame the kubuntu guys. :) [00:23] xchat got fixed quite some time ago [00:23] how can I put this - it doesn't seem like the most important bug in the list [00:23] cjwatson: +5 [00:23] cjwatson: which one? [00:24] you know, there are other distributions where bugs actually get fixed. [00:24] ln-: Use those, then? [00:24] cjwatson: bug 205327 is a bit annoying, although the trivial workaround of "LANG=C cfdisk ..." is available to at least parts of that world.. [00:24] Launchpad bug 205327 in util-linux "[Hardy] cfdisk unusable in the whole hispanic world" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205327 [00:24] soren: that is precisely what i am doing. [00:26] interestingly, the konversation-connects-to-debian-irc-by-default bug is not filed... [00:26] 'maybe that would explain it not getting fixed [00:28] konversation (1.0.1-3ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low [00:28] [ Jonathan Riddell ] [00:28] * Drop channel patch, default channel is changed in kubuntu-default-settings and it can fall back to freenode if that's not installed [00:28] hrm [00:32] apparently this user booted the Ubuntu live CD and then manually installed konversation [00:33] which took him to #debian by default [00:36] azeem: the konversation bug [00:37] ln-: given the number of bugs I've personally fixed in the last week, that comment is uncalled for and you should retract it [00:37] cjwatson: ok, but Ubuntu users are getting harassed and executed in #debian [00:37] it's difficult to destinguish between the set of Ubuntu users which get there due to this bug and those which get there because they don't get help in #ubuntu [00:38] #kubuntu-devel's probably a good place to get attention for it [00:38] am filing a bug now, thanks [00:38] (but this is only a problem if you [00:38] *don't* run kubuntu) [00:39] lamont: not helped by the fact that dead keys don't work at the console (bug 218746, unfortunately I only heard about this today) [00:39] Launchpad bug 218746 in console-setup "dead keys don't work using spain keymap" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218746 [00:39] azeem: sure, but they're the ones best-placed to fix it quickly [00:40] "dead keys"? [00:40] in many keymaps, some keycodes are mapped to a sort of automatic compose+diacritic symbol [00:41] so you press dead_acute followed by i and you get í [00:41] correct composition tends to be rather locale-dependent [00:41] ah, ok === dashua`__ is now known as dashua === no0tic is now known as no0ticoglione === no0ticoglione is now known as no0tic === heno is now known as heno_away [01:39] ogra: 218231 looks ok to me for post-RC [01:39] slangasek, indeed, its all post rc (dont accept the upload i jus did until next week :) ) [01:40] i just want it in [01:40] when doesnt matter as long as its befoe the final spin :) [01:40] well, yes, you asked if I would be resistant [01:40] to get them in at all :) [01:40] I had no intention of accepting it /prior/ to RC :) [01:42] thanks then :) [01:55] stgraber, (still awake ?) is the peseeding fix in xubuntu ? [01:55] *preseeding [02:04] What's the process for getting a DEB package provided by upstream (in this case truecrypt) into the repos? [02:04] Also, is work started on the still-thawed ibex yet? [02:05] ffm__: Throw upstream's package away; it's generally crap, and then package the source yourself :) [02:06] ffm__: intrepid can't+won't open until hardy is released [02:07] cjwatson, rescue mode says "restart system" but that menu option drops me back to the installer menu ... do you consider that a bug ? [02:07] (can't: Launchpad doesn't support initialising a new distrorelease without basically marking the previous one as done, and it's hard to specify how that should behave; won't: we absolutely don't want to distract developers from stabilising hardy, which is much more important than getting a jump on intrepid development) [02:07] ogra: yes, it's bug 218549, fix queued for after RC [02:07] Launchpad bug 218549 in rescue "Choosing "Reboot" in rescue menu jumps to main menu -- sync rescue from Debian" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218549 [02:07] ah, k [02:07] RAOF, It's actually pretty nice. (And it's by the true crypt devels...) [02:08] What's the equivilent of rmplint on DEB-based distros? [02:08] *rpm [02:08] not knowing rpmlint in detail, that sounds like lintian [02:08] also, .deb is not an acronym. :-) [02:09] i wonder if an autoresize install works on a former encrypted lvm2 one ... [02:11] hmm, sad, the foremr install indeed defaulted to ext3 ... [02:11] cjwatson, I realize that. [02:12] cjwatson, Deb == short for Debra [02:12] cjwatson: Debian's Enervating Breakage? [02:19] ffm__: Anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages is what you want to look at. Upstream's debian packaging may help you, but you'll want to package from their (preferably debian/ less) tarball. [02:21] RAOF, Debian/ less? They packaged spesifcially for ubuntu gutsy. (if only I had a srpm...) [02:21] or whatever the equivilent of a srpm is in the debian world. [02:21] ffm__: You _don't_ have a source package? === ffm__ is now known as ffm [02:22] RAOF, ATM, no. [02:22] ffm: The binary .deb is useless for us, basically. [02:22] has anyone noticed GDM segfaults in 8.04beta? [02:23] not here [02:25] RAOF, I'll ask upstream if I can have their source deb. [02:25] ffm: Of course, if they distribute the source you can just package that up. [02:26] RAOF, yes, they do, but I'd prefer not to duplicate work and effort if I can avoid it. [02:26] Yeah, fair enough. I'd be careful, though. Upstream's source packages are often not archive-ready. But they should give you something to start with. [02:29] :-[ FLUSH CACHE failed with SK=0h/ASC=00h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error [02:29] meh. short of rebooting, how do I eject the dvd-rw? [02:31] lamont, eject [02:32] nope. [02:32] well, the command finishes just fine, the drive just doesn't open [02:32] lamont, use a paperclip? [02:32] only happens with the dvd-rw media... dvd-r, dvd+r are fine. [02:34] heh. either I'm a muppet, or it doesn't eject via the button [02:35] lamont, paperclip through the pinhole. [02:36] yeah [02:39] * lamont considers uploading util-linux_2.14~rc1-1ubuntu1 just so slangasek has something to reject. decides to _NOT_ [02:54] * lamont wanders off === superm1 is now known as tgm4883 === tgm4883 is now known as superm1 === asac_ is now known as asac === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso === asac_ is now known as asac [07:15] azeem: crap, thanks for the bug (konversation) === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:27] slangasek: I'd like your thoughts on bug 210423 and bug 188986 for release. Basically the first bug has a link to a patch that improves pulseaudio buffering for sdl audio playback. [07:27] Launchpad bug 210423 in libsdl1.2 "patch to fix sound problems when using pulse backend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210423 [07:27] Launchpad bug 188986 in libsdl1.2 "Audio output crackling" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188986 [07:41] good morning [07:43] ing [07:43] hi ion_ [07:55] hello all [07:56] Can I ask a quick question please, might take a long answer [07:57] Hello all. Please tell me whether I can ask whether i can ask a question. [07:57] Johninky: Is it about the development of Ubuntu (not development _on_ Ubuntu, or some other topic)? :) [07:58] it is about creating a wireless driver or did i hit the wrong room again [07:58] Chances are you want a kernel-related room, yes. [08:00] ok I will see if I can find one, and thank you [08:01] TheMuso: that doesn't look like a very good patch; gratuitous whitespace changes, magic numbers with no explanation of why they should be used, and functional changes that are outside the scope of "basically just fixes the bogus buffer metrics" [08:02] TheMuso: I'd reject that without a clearer rationale for why it's correct [08:03] slangasek: Ok sounds fair. [08:26] wow i ls'd at just the right time [08:26] d????????? ? ? ? ? ? openoffice.org_2.0.2.orig.tar.gz.tmp-nest [08:26] hehe [08:30] calc: Heh === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin [09:08] Good morning [09:08] does anyone here know whether the ubiquity po's under the debian/po directory are in rosetta, and if so, how I find them? [09:08] * slangasek waves to pitti [09:08] hey hey pitti [09:08] ugh, I lost scrollback during the night (server reboot); if someone said something to me, please repeat [09:09] pitti: I complained a lot about you but will not repeat ;-) [09:09] slangasek: I'm pretty sure that ubiquity translations are in rosetta, but I don't know where [09:09] (just joking) [09:09] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:09] mvo: hey [09:09] seb128: rightly so! [09:09] I found a solution for my ssh problem :) [09:09] does anybody knows what the migration is supposed to import from linux installs? [09:09] not the wallpapers, etc? [09:10] pitti: oh? [09:10] pitti: hmmmm. this makes it hard for me to suggest a fix to a typo :) [09:10] seb128: does it anything for linux? it never shows anything to me [09:10] seb128: I installed openvpn on my boxes and my colo server, and tunnel ssh connections through that VPN [09:10] silly, but works [09:10] hey seb128 [09:11] mvo: I think the bug you reported about totem is a duplicate, if you effectively don't have a soundcard [09:11] pitti: ah, nice idea ;-) [09:12] slangasek: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ubiquity/ *should* have them [09:12] pitti: it doesn't, it only has the translations for ubiquity/po, not ubiquity/debian/po [09:12] but doesn't apparenlty [09:12] right [09:12] the upstream product hasn't either [09:13] * slangasek nods [09:13] seb128: aha, ok - thanks [09:13] slangasek: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer [09:13] due to complicated magic [09:13] ok [09:13] thanks :) [09:13] it's the closest simulation we could manage for bubulle's master files [09:14] heh :) [09:16] ouch, this typo has been in the catalan ubiquity translation since 2007-03-11 [09:16] slangasek: What's the typo? [09:16] StevenK: poques preguntes -> poquesp reguntes [09:16] Not that I speak Catalan, I'm curious. [09:16] it's cosmetic, but the fix has also been available in rosetta for quite a while, unapplied [09:20] i noticed that the readme file when you update-manager -d has changed to "hardy heron RC" ... does this mean the RC is ready to download? [09:20] it means that certain changes have been made in preparation for the RC [09:22] slangasek: do you happen to know the timeframe for the RC release? or is it just sometime today xD [09:24] m0u5e: if all goes well, sometime within the next 7 hours [09:25] mm no hurries, I would rather the devs took their time, had a polished release, and then had time to have a hardy celebration party :) [09:25] oh, well, we don't start in on that until after the final release. :) [09:53] Question: I need top ship Hardy CDs within the 26th of april, but bandwidth speed will NOT allow me to complete the download within the 24 and send them country wide the same day so they can be there the 25th of april (a friday). Do you think that It is an idea to burn the daily build, say on monday and distribute that? The event will have 7.10 as their main version but I really want to push 8.04 to the masses [09:53] I guess that ubiquity beeping on the installation summary screen is a known issue? [09:54] hubuntu: they'll be an almost-final, or fully final copy a fwe days before, that gets tested, if that helps. [09:55] hubuntu: if you can grab the one 2 days before release, you're probably OK. check with the testing team, etc, about that [09:55] hubuntu: Grab a daily a couple of days before, and rsync. [09:55] hubuntu: what about downloading on Monday, then using rsync to update it with any changes between Monday's image and the final release? [09:55] 'swat I thought. [09:55] that too [09:56] slangasek, I thought about that.. Specially since I'm thinking of building a Local mirror for faster install [09:56] Is it difficult to do? I have very limited on hands use of rsync, but I do understand what it does === heno_away is now known as heno [09:57] I will be building such a server and a how-to this weekend, I will keep you all informed ;) [09:57] and weill keep asking.. so bare with me [09:57] hubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage [09:58] sorry, what do you mean by "faster install"? If you're using desktop images, a local mirror won't make a standard install any faster [09:58] if you're using alternate CD images, a local mirror can help for downloading the images themselves faster using jigdo, but that's more arcane than rsync :) [09:59] How'd jigdo arcane? [09:59] Faster in the sense of optimized (few CDs, few people being able to start an installation can be solved by a LAN with automatic PXE booting and CDs downloading form the local server (no internet in many of the events...) [10:00] Fujitsu: way less documentation available on the internets? :) [10:00] jigdo-file somefile.jigdo [10:01] Hmm. When did graphical jigdo lose the `Blah blah blah incomplete blah blah buggy\n[Great!] [Awesome!] [Excellent!]' or similar dialog? [10:02] ok I've tried jigdo and never understood a thang [10:02] but I have to admit that I did gop deep into it.. I'm lazy at times ;) [10:02] I am going to write this all down in a spec and work it trhough the weekend [10:02] stay tuned ;) [10:08] Keybuk: Hi, FYI, don't know why but usplash is now working. no segfault anymore. [10:10] Whoopie: always the way :-/ [10:13] I just love how things get fixed just in time before releases.. remember Evo crashing everyday till the day before RC in feisty and getting fixed just one day before (just to crash 6 months later.. Exchange Su2#%! You guys do a superb job! Thank you so much!! [10:13] you make ubuntu rock! [10:14] anyone knows how I could relax firefox's SSL certificate check? I can't access dev.openwrt.org and bugs.freedesktop.org [10:14] Whoopie: click the Add Exception button [10:14] there's non for bugs.freedesktop.org. Just a message about self-signed certificate [10:14] what webbrowser are you using? [10:17] firefox 3b5. with version 2, I got a popup if I want to temporaryly accept the certificate. [10:17] ok, but I can add an exception in the preferences. [10:21] seb128: do the suspend and hibernate buttons in the gdm menu normally work? [10:22] Whoopie: I don't know, we have a bug about hibernate not working but I didn't verify [10:23] Whoopie: I don't think many users use those and I don't consider it high priority at the moment but you are welcome to confirm the bug [10:23] seb128: ok, do you have a launchpad bug number by chance? [10:24] Whoopie: should be as fast to find for you than for me so I will let you search hibernate in the gdm bugslist [10:24] seb128_: ack [10:31] seb128_: do you need any infos or can I just put launchpad bug 208136 into confirmed state? [10:31] Launchpad bug 208136 in gdm "system cannot hibernate with GDM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208136 [10:54] hum [10:54] I've several cases where ubiquity fails creating partitions [10:54] Apr 18 09:52:34 ubuntu partman: Could not stat /dev/sda5 --- No such file or directory [10:54] Apr 18 09:52:34 ubuntu partman: [10:54] Apr 18 09:52:34 ubuntu partman: The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? [10:54] is that a known issue? [10:55] indeed there is no dev entry for this one, but I just created the partition in ubiquity and fdisk lists it correctly [10:58] seb128: looks like the same issue cjwatson identified last night, where parted creates the partition and then disagrees with the kernel about what its name should be [10:58] seb128: GPT? [10:59] slangasek: GPT? what is that? [11:00] seb128: the partition tables used by newer systems, that accomodate multiple TB partitions [11:00] how do I know about that [11:00] (also the ones you have to use on x86 Apple hardware) [11:00] I don't know, sorry [11:04] slangasek: the box is an intel desktop using a 250G disk [11:05] anyway I've most of my manual installs which are failing due to that on this one, so if somebody needs informations let me know [11:05] preferably before lunch because I'll not be in front of this box this afternoon === ember_ is now known as ember [11:41] slangasek: that's a different one, actually [11:41] slangasek: I think seb128's bug is the one Evan fixed in partman-base for post-RC [11:41] ok [11:42] I *think* [11:44] slangasek: ping? there's a new fglrx release (8.4) which includes a couple of fixes (aticonfig should no longer segfault etc.). I've packaged a new lrm, uploaded and built on my PPA and now asking people to check for possible regressions. rtg & bryce acked it already, bug 218345 [11:44] Launchpad bug 218345 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "fglrx 8.4 released today. Any chance for hardy?" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218345 [11:45] post-rc of course [11:46] tjaalton: I think we should really defer that until 8.04.1 [11:46] so we can test it from all angles at our leisure [11:48] tjaalton: re your comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202164 - do you think it's the fault of xrandr? [11:48] Launchpad bug 202164 in xorg-server "[hardy] displayconfig-restore causes X to crash" [Wishlist,New] [11:48] slangasek: ok, I'm not sure if post-release lrm's fit the kernel team policy, but I'll ask :) [11:52] laga: I'm not that familiar with multiseat tbh.. that was just a guess, although it might not have anything to do with this problem [11:53] laga: get a proper backtrace: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing [11:55] tjaalton: good idea. for now, i've just disabled displayconfig-restore, i'll try to get a BT in a few days. will the functionality in displayconfig-restore eventually moved into X itself? it looked like it corrects some auto-detection problems [11:56] laga: I don't know what it does :) [11:56] tjaalton: ah. ok, i'll get a backtrace :) === janito_ is now known as Lamego [12:43] laga: are the current mythbuntu alternates ready for release as RC? [12:45] slangasek: depends. :) if RC happens now, then they're ready. if not, then i'll need to test a change to ltsp.seed.. i was too tired last night and messed up the change i did then. but that's not critical. [12:46] laga: the RC is happening within the next few hours for Ubuntu et al.; so the question is whether the current mythbuntu images are appropriate to push out at the same time as an RC [12:49] slangasek: give me 15 minutes and i'll tell you if the updated ltsp.seed works for me now, then the disk would need to be respun. if that's too much work right now, we can just release as-is [12:51] laga: it's "too much work" in the sense that I don't think that leaves you enough time to fully test it between now and the RC announcement going out :) [12:51] laga: but if this is something that should be a showstopper for mythbuntu, I can respin and let you guys do your own RC announcement a little bit later [12:55] laga: but I would like to know soon which way you'd prefer, so that I can get the images ready to mirror :) [13:05] slangasek: i doubt that a simple preseed option will break much :) if something went wrong, it'd have to be something with the build process [13:05] slangasek: we do our own RC announcement anyways :) the live disks will be ready, though (AFAIK, superm1 knows more) [13:06] laga: as a matter of covering my own butt, I'm not going to include pointers to any images in the RC announcement I send out that haven't been tested [13:06] laga: but beyond that constraint, you get to tell me what you want to happen - so please direct me [13:09] slangasek: i think only two people are testing the mythbuntu alternate disks anyways :) okay, i think we can do this: in the RC announcement, you can link to the RC announcement on mythbuntu.org. people will find our live disk there and i'll add the alternate disk to the mythbuntu announcement once i'm sure it's sane. [13:10] laga: ok, so the desktop images are ready for release now? [13:11] let me check the logs [13:11] * laga yells at superm1 for being asleep [13:11] heh :) [13:13] < tgm4883> there are only 3 mirrors out of sync < tgm4883> we are able to release [13:14] assuming that we tested the disk before pushing them to ten mirrors or so, the desktop disks should be good :) [13:14] laga: i fixed one of them.. so should only be 2 now [13:14] <\sh> slangasek, just release a very stable and good RC for -server, which I can deploy two days before final on our server farm ;) [13:16] * soren is suddenly reminded that he has a mythbuntu mirror. [13:18] Let's switch to Van Jacobson's new Internet already, then mirrors become completely irrelevant. :-) [13:21] gah, screw this. slangasek, is there any room for "known issues" in the release notes? :) although these probably belong into the mythbuntu release notes [13:21] slangasek: let's use the current daily alternate disk. [13:21] laga: yes, please put known issues in the mythbuntu release notes [13:21] slangasek: sure. [13:21] ok, setting the current daily alternate up for publishing [13:22] 20080417.2 [13:22] * slangasek nods [13:31] asac, what's the status of bug 192888? Did you change your mind about nspluginwrapper? [13:31] Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888 [13:31] *blink* 0417.2? for ubuntu or a different flavour? [13:32] asac: argh, do you know about the broken 404 error page in current ffox 3? Just try "http://foo" and be greeted with an "invalid XML blabla"? [13:33] pitti: the 0417.2 was for mythbuntu [13:33] slangasek: ok, *phew* :) [13:33] slangasek: oh, still awake? is your plan to get the release out before you go to bed? :) [13:34] pitti: well, yes. :) [13:34] slangasek: any idea if there is a bug about the linux and installer not agreeing on partitions available issue? [13:34] seb128: you'd have to ask cjwatson; anyway, he highlighted a different bug that he thinks is yours [13:35] pitti: yes. i am aware of that. i think its some combination of properly encoding the dtd strings. [13:35] ok [13:35] seb128: slangasek: I think seb128's bug is the one [13:35] ... Evan fixed in partman-base for post-RC [13:35] ah ok [13:36] * seb128 looks at the changelog [13:36] good to know, so I don't need to test that with 20080417.2 [13:36] pitti: ill fix that on over weekend. in worst case we have to workaround. but ill surealy have a fix by sunday if not sat. [13:37] asac: thanks! [13:37] pitti: i suspect that some chars are not properly escaped in the dtd generation code [13:38] slangasek: ok, might be bug #218394 [13:38] Launchpad bug 218394 in partman-base "partman fails to swapoff all swap partitions on the target device" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218394 [13:38] ah, clever :) [13:38] thanks [13:54] soren: qemu depends on bochsbios-qemu, but the latter is NBS, so I need to remove it for the release; do you care enough about qemu to want to fix it? [13:54] pitti: Yes. [13:54] I'll fix. Hang on. [13:55] soren: thanks; I can wave it through unapproved, since it's universe, and obviously RC [13:56] pitti: Er.. It only conditionally depends on bochsbios-qemu? [13:57] soren: ah, right; the | bochsbios is satisfyable [13:57] seb128: I'm not absolutely certain, so worth checking after RC once that lands (it needs a new ubiquity upload too) [13:57] cjwatson: will do [13:57] Right. That's when the file it needs moved frrom bochsbios-qemu to bochsbios and we dropped -qemu. I *did* think that I fixed it back then :) [13:58] soren: -qemu is still the preferred dependency, but probably 'good enoughh' [13:58] pitti: Yeah. I'll fix that in intrepid. [13:59] soren, dendrobates-: do we care about cyrus 2.2? it depends on libasn1-6-heimdal, which is NBS, too (thus I remove it now0 [14:00] I personally couldn't care less. [14:00] pitti: Me as well. [14:00] well, I'll try a no-change rebuild and upload that if it builds cleanly against libasn1-8-heimdal (which I suppose) [14:15] Hi. I was not able to find source which cites which xen-patches have been applied to linux-image-2.6.22-14-xen and where to find them to recompile the package. [14:15] (I am missing the 'connmask' module, which has unfortunately not been enabled by the maintainer.) [14:23] soren: I cherrypicked a fix for bug 205011, but I am not able to test it, do you have the setup to do so? [14:23] Launchpad bug 205011 in lvm2 "LVM2 doesn't recognise 'virtio' virtual disks (/dev/vd*)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205011 [14:25] james_w: I do, yes. [14:26] soren: liw has also offered to test, but he says he needs exact instructions if you want him to. [14:28] james_w: Complete an installation that uses lvm. Install patched lvm. Shut it down. STart it again like so: kvm -drive file=nameofdisk.img,if=virtio,boot=on [14:28] If it works, all is good. [14:37] slangasek, is that doc closed already ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC ? === lool_ is now known as lool [14:40] ogra: no - what do you need added? [14:41] LTSP in "new and improved support" woudl be nice with "The alternatd CD provides an out of the box treminal server installation now" with a link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall [14:42] *alternate [14:42] *terminal [14:42] *sigh* === ierei is now known as Randall [14:45] The Beginning 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. [14:45] 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning.the first day. [14:45] 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning.the second day. [14:45] 9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good. [14:45] !ops [14:45] Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk [14:45] ? [14:45] 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning.the third day. [14:45] 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights.the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the s [14:45] thanks [14:45] ogra: thanks [14:45] thought i recognised the reference [14:46] Riddell, Hobbsee: are there any Kubuntu-specific errata that should be pushed out as release notes currently? (If not, no sweat, the errata we currently have are fairly generic anyway) [14:47] Hobbsee: but they spelled "Big Inning" wrong [14:47] heh [14:47] slangasek: no idea, sorry. i don't do much in kubuntu anymore [14:47] Riddell: all on you then :) [14:48] slangasek: it might be worth errataing that non-Latin keymaps are buggered (218754) and that ports architectures fail to install at least from the desktop CD (218801) [14:48] err, 218754 is alternate/server only [14:53] anyone from Ubuntustudio here? TheMuso? ubuntustudio-audio depends on rosegarden4, which is NBS (current is rosegarden) === fta_ is now known as fta [14:53] <_MMA1> pitti: That should have been fixed months ago AFAIK. [14:53] slangasek: none that I can think of [14:54] I remove the package now, since rosegarden Provides: rosegarden4, but it should be fixed nevertheless [14:54] _MMA1: obviously not :) [14:55] * _MMA1 looks at seeds. [14:56] superm1: around? [14:57] cjwatson: It seems that the bug about grub failing is slightly more general. [14:57] ogra: LTSP added [14:58] <_MMA1> pitti: Damn. I *know* that got changed. I'll have Luke fix that today. [14:58] hadess, what's up? [14:58] * ogra hugs slangasek [14:58] _MMA1: thanks [14:58] cjwatson: Actually, attempting to run any i386 binary from the amd64 livecd environment results in a "Bad RIP value". [14:58] superm1: did you see my updated patch for the lirc include stuff? [14:58] er.. except not added, because someone edited the page out from under me. :) [14:58] hadess, no i haven't. where would it have been? [14:58] superm1: on lirc-devel [14:59] hadess, ah okay. i'll look it over when I return home later on [14:59] thanks! [14:59] superm1: in reply to your original patch [14:59] there, now it's added [14:59] superm1: i haven't received any updates from christoph though [14:59] hadess, he is a bit slow sometimes [15:00] soren: which bug? [15:00] seb128: any idea about http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13075917/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.gtk-doc_1.10-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? [15:00] soren: "grub failing" *is* a general symptom. It could happen for all kinds of entirely separate reasons. [15:00] After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied: [15:00] pitti: soyuz bug? [15:00] openjade(still installed) [15:00] seb128: I give it back, let's cross fingers [15:01] pitti: slangasek and slomo_ discussed it some time ago I think [15:01] yes, sbuild simply doesn't like conditional dependencies when resolving build dependencies iirc [15:01] pitti: the package didn't change but it has an alternatives build-deps and it's not really clear how the buildd resolve that [15:02] lool, StevenK: is anyone working on the hildon-control-panel FTBFS? looks like a pointer declaration bug, which breaks 64 bit? [15:02] slomo_: what's a conditional dependency? [15:03] erk, build-conflicts [15:03] cjwatson: Sorry, I though my mentioning it provided enough context. The bug about grub failing to install consistently using an amd64 live cd. [15:03] pitti: some package depends on "openjade | jade", buildd selects one of them and gtk-doc build conflicts with that [15:03] cjwatson: is 218754 selecting a non-Latin keymap, or a non-Latin language? [15:03] pitti: I'm not; I could have a look this WE [15:03] cjwatson: heno should have sent the dmesg output to you. [15:03] soren: I've looked at about 20 or 30 bugs in the last day or two :( [15:03] pitti: I will look at it [15:03] (in some depth) [15:04] StevenK: Thanks [15:04] cjwatson: Sorry. Hang on, I'll find the bug no.. [15:04] you mean 219165? [15:04] StevenK: Check upstream and Debian, probably fixed it [15:04] pitti: gtk-doc: enjoy, dpkg-dev ignores the ordering of build-depends in your source package and instead sorts them in the generated .dsc [15:04] cjwatson: Yes, that's the one. [15:04] slangasek: keymap, but only if you select it at the boot menu [15:04] soren: ok, yes, definitely doesn't look like a d-i problem [15:04] seb128, slomo_: indeed, docbook-dsssl depends on openjade, and gtk-doc-tools build-depends on that, but build-conflicts on openjade [15:04] pitti: there's a fix for this: build-depend on a-horrible-kludge | jade :P [15:05] soren: losing 32-bit compatibility is very bad ... [15:05] soren: I'll punt it over to the kernel [15:05] TBH that's quite hard to sensibly resolve automatically [15:05] cjwatson: I talked to upstream, and they run 64-bit kernels with 32-bit userspace all the time inside kvm. [15:05] Well, not "all the time", but "routinely" at least. [15:05] pitti: the build-deps in the source package *were* set right, the only issue is that they're being reordered along the way [15:05] soren: is it just in kvm? [15:06] cjwatson: As far as I know. [15:06] cjwatson: liw would know.. [15:06] slangasek: btw the text about gvfs in the hardy notes is slightly misleading [15:06] soren: the report says that amd64 server works in kvm, so maybe it isn't all the time [15:06] slangasek: I mentioned that by mail to you before I think, that was around beta [15:07] seb128: can you propose some correct text, please? [15:07] "such as the inability to restore files from trash, pause and undo file operations, and will make it possible to escalate user privileges for certain operations using PolicyKit for authentication." [15:07] none of those are possible in hardy [15:08] slangasek: fun [15:08] slangasek: I would just remove this part of the text I think [15:09] <\sh> pitti, octave2.1-forge ??? I thought we got rid of all octave2.1* stuff during octave3.0 transition? [15:09] <\sh> pitti, re: NBS [15:09] \sh: I don't know; we can kill that, if it's obsolete [15:09] <\sh> pitti, well, we don't have octave2.1 in our archives anymore ;) [15:09] <\sh> pitti, for hardy that is [15:10] <\sh> pitti, could be that we lost the ports.ubuntu.com archives? ;) [15:10] seb128: which part? everything about gvfs? [15:10] slangasek: what I just copied on the channel [15:10] slangasek: the "such as