[00:39] chaps (anyone who is awake) I'd like to request an short update to the emma statment, I'd like to know what ubuntu current situation is with her before I work out what/if anything can be done as I'm not happy with a few things that are going on [00:40] ikonia: atm, emma appears to be banned [00:40] from what ? [00:40] just want to be clear before I decide what to do ) [00:41] from #ubuntu, for one [00:41] ok, but she is still allowed to participate in other community area's ? [00:42] she's banned from several ubuntu irc channels [00:42] i think she's pretty free to do anything else [00:43] We were told that, as a loco team, it was our decision as to whether we banned her. We chose not to unless she does something "bannable" [00:43] I'm getting a bit of hassle from her from any channel I appear in [00:43] oh? [00:43] I'm not to sure how to progress it / deal with it in an acceptable manner to both ubuntu and freenode in general, I'm happy to ignore it, but it's spilling into any activities I'm involved in [00:44] [01:43:59] <-> Auctionedllama> give me a ping when you're pretty sure you've understood that the Enter key is not a punctuation mark [00:44] has been doing it all yesterday, bots going mad at him several times [00:44] ikonia: guess what, you're not alone [00:44] no, no, I don't suspect I am [00:47] I'm aware that ubuntu/freenode are discussing this at some level, but I'd like to progress this a bit further with freenode now (potentially). From a personal level I'm getting a little frustrated that this is being allowed to continue [00:47] hence why I thought I'd seek guidence from what's currently done to not step on toes or waste time with covered ground === no0tic is now known as no0ticoglione === no0ticoglione is now known as no0tic [01:09] I come to ping LJL, soz about that [01:10] Auctionedllama, you see how busy #ubuntu is most of the time [01:10] yesterday night it was *relatively* quiet [01:10] but you did abuse Enter a lot [01:10] when it's busy like this, please try to type full sentences [01:11] not [01:11] ah ok [01:11] let me see [01:11] yes [01:11] the only thing [01:11] more annoying [01:11] than [01:11] as punctuation [01:11] is [01:11] lol [01:11] people have enough trouble following a channel with 1300 people even when they speak in full sentences [01:11] as punctuation [01:11] or for that matter, "omg gay" [01:11] lol. [01:13] nalioth: meeple [01:13] Sorry [01:13] Lol.. I am having extreme trouble with my ATI cards, and had become frustrated at the time [01:14] Please accept my sincere apologies [01:14] as do most ATI customers when they discover free software [01:14] Auctionedllama: i don't want apologies, i just want to see you typing full sentences in #ubuntu :) [01:14] * Seeker` tries to avoid killing people who begin sentances with "LOL....." [01:14] Auctionedllama: you're not the only one frustrated with ubuntu problems, so try to think of the other 1300 people who are frustrated with their problems too ;) [01:15] you think ATI issues are frustrating, try making debconf and KVM play nicely. [01:15] Alright, lol, sorry for your troubles [01:15] Back to terminal >_> [01:17] Can I ask you guys a question? [01:18] i think you just did. [01:18] Auctionedllama: Support questions belong in #ubuntu [01:18] want another one? [01:18] If it is a question regarding -ops, then you can ask in here [01:18] or channel policies [01:18] Alright, I am just having trouble.. nm [01:18] etc etc [01:18] Thanks anyways [01:23] Auctionedllama, i'm not sure you get it [01:23] [02:19:23] Hey mates, what is the command to install fglrx? [01:23] [02:19:47] ? [01:23] [02:21:37] Ok, it says its installed, but whenever I run the sudo modprobe fglrx command it doesn't show up [01:23] [02:21:39] any halp? [01:23] what's the need for these "trailers"? [01:23] [02:22:49] Uhm [01:23] [02:22:55] Jack_sparrow- its all mesa [01:24] Sorry Mate [01:24] if you're sorry then stop doing it. there is a key on your keyboard that can print a period - use it [01:26] Most likely the answer is no.. but is there anyway you guys can like, help me real fast? [01:27] no. ask in #ubuntu. all in one line will make me more likely to try answering. [01:28] OK, I did, all in one line, just for you xD [01:32] mneptok: noddle? [01:33] nalioth: linked nicks do not share cloaks? [01:34] (wait, can you link nicks on freenode?) O:) [01:34] mneptok: they do, as long as the wearer is identified [01:36] nalioth: and right you are :) [01:37] sorry, thought i had those linked already. i did not. [01:41] [02:40:44] Its-a you! Lorenzo! Mamma Mia! [01:41] he's going [01:42] btw, !guide probably want removing or turning in to something useful [01:42] !guide [01:42] guide is hhgttg [01:43] !forget guide [01:43] I'll forget that, LjL [01:47] Can someone change the topic in #ubuntu+1 to something like "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidate comes out April 18, see [01:47] ubuntu-announce for the announcement | Release date 24th April" so that the RC date is in there? [01:47] ffm__: no. [01:47] ffm__: what if RC is delayed? [01:48] ffm__: also, as you showed, it doesn't fit in one message :) [01:48] ffm__: it is already April 18th for > 1/2 the world [01:48] Ok. [01:48] How about "watch ubuntu-announce for the release candidate announcement" or something allong those lines? [01:49] ffm__: and what would you remove to allow that to fit in the topic? [01:49] mneptok, I'd think it'd fit on one time. [01:50] *line [01:50] "Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy | Help test LTS upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto | Beta Rel. Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta | Release Candidates and final releases will be announced on ubuntu-announce" [01:51] so you'd remove the reference to the release date [01:56] what about "the RC is not out yet" [01:56] http://tinyurl.com/4xuegw [01:57] tinyurls in topic are sooo unprofessional [01:58] when we get paid, then 'professional' will come into play ;) [01:59] mneptok, Yeah, I would. [01:59] nickrud: you don't get paid? [01:59] * nalioth covers mouth [02:00] * nickrud begins to feel cheated [02:05] nalioth, you really shouldn't say that we're being paid by irseek. === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [02:05] LjL: ssssh [02:06] * nickrud is now past feeling cheated [02:06] feeling virtuous [02:06] nickrud: weren't you the VP on the irseek board of directors? [02:06] I couldn't convince anyone I was sleazy enough ;( [02:07] OMG YOU SAID IRSEEK [02:08] *ahem* [02:08] * nickrud hands mneptok his spare [02:09] * nalioth approaches mneptok with some 750C silver solder and a oxyacetylene torch to help him with the waves === ffm__ is now known as ffm [02:25] eek, nobody come out cloaked from the netsplit [02:27] YOU'RE ALL NEKKID!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [02:28] * nickrud wonders what LjL is talking about, I don't see any ips. (he always peeks wherever he can) [02:29] well, then maybe it was just my floodbot not logging in properly. [02:29] it's true i do see one cloak in there. [02:29] I'm cloaked ? [02:30] yeah [02:30] but, you didn't split to begin with :) [02:30] that explains that then [03:18] [04:18:08] Randal1 tried to join #ubuntu from a web gateway, but their host is banned [03:19] pici: your ban [03:19] * Pici looks [03:19] @btlogin [03:19] just saying, that's clearly ban evasion. [03:20] troll anyway [05:28] ikonia_: can i suggest that you don't make any moves, re: emma, without knowing all that has gone on? [05:29] ikonia_: also, remember about this chanenl - tell her that if she wishes to take an issue up, this is the place to do it - not other places, where it is offtopic. [05:30] ikonia_: feel free to complain to freenode though. Just make sure you do it by email (staff@freenode.net), so that it actually goes to the right people. [05:32] hi! is this your party? the food sucks. [05:32] mneptok: come back when you're actually wearing pants, please. [05:34] Hello. [05:34] good day. [05:39] Never mind, I am beginning to realize that I need to be the adult here. Please do not use this channel as a place to antagonize me or encourage others to carry out your agenda. Thank you. [05:39] ... [05:39] ikonia_: apparently it's now a problem to actually answer a question. [05:40] Hobbsee if you read back you will see that she might have some grounds ... [05:40] nickrud: i read it. [05:41] I have a perverse sense of humor. Childish on reflection, sometimes [05:41] nickrud: people expressing unhappiness over emma's conduct, and asking what has already been done, to be more effective at what they next plan to do, isn't exactly antagonistic. [05:42] Hobbsee wasn't speaking of ikonia, he was very proper [05:43] nickrud: right. I didn't see a mention of emma that wasn't ikonia, or wasn't otherwise proper. So now i'm confused. [05:44] Hobbsee around 1758 [05:44] nickrud: UTC? [05:44] nickrud: (how many hours ago) [05:45] Hobbsee no, lets see, 4 hours ? [05:46] nickrud: ah, yes. [05:46] I see now. [05:46] Would help if she didn't try to antagonise us, too. [05:47] ah well, the sooner freenode makes a decision, the better. [05:47] that snarky tone is what gets to me. She can have a good point, but totally alienate anyone who might be willing to listen [05:47] what am i missing? what was said to her? [05:48] * mneptok is too lazy to grep logs [05:48] mneptok: try 20 lines up. [05:48] mneptok not here, us horsing around about irseek earlier is what I was referencing [05:48] how does that antagonize her, or encourage others? [05:48] mneptok: she comes in here, to tell us that she would like us not to antagonise her. [05:49] mneptok: now, in the land of emma....anything is possible. [05:49] mneptok: ask for her definitions of spam sometime. You'll find them quite enlightening. [05:49] mneptok: then you will understand her a lot more. [05:49] as in "5hedd unw4nted POUNDZZZ" ? [05:50] mneptok: or read it when the CC asks what her definition of spam is, when paladine makes it to a CC meeting. [05:50] that kind of enlightening? [05:50] not quite [05:50] damn. i'm as big as a house. [05:52] i love that i'm on closed ciruit tv. [05:52] mneptok: if you ever saw elkbuntu's blog....you'll go far. [05:52] * mneptok hurls his water dish and shrieks [05:52] * Hobbsee chains mneptok up to the heavy pole outside. [05:52] down, boy! [05:52] bad dog. [05:53] * mneptok gnaws on nickrud's shoe [05:53] * nickrud is glad he just kicked mneptok's poop to the side [05:54] ah, love being childish sometimes [05:54] please do not antagonise me. [05:54] mneptok: else you'll complain to the CC? [05:55] i'll breed. [05:55] oh no. [05:55] * Hobbsee finds someone to neuter mneptok [06:16] In #ubuntu, bullgard4 said: !ops #ubuntu-de is abused. [06:19] done [06:22] you neutered mneptok?!?! O.o [06:23] no, the ops call :P [06:23] ooh :) [06:31] and staff have attended to the other part of it [06:48] hrm, lovely quit message (#ubuntu+1) [06:48] [04/18/08 01:45:20] *** nenolod [n=nenolod@atheme/developer/nenolod] has quit [" ur a fucking prick :) | very good. thanks."] [06:50] sounds like the mark of an op :P [06:50] "thankyou for having a go at me" [06:50] hehe [07:43] sigh @ twb. [07:43] hm, he's only in +1 [07:43] * Hobbsee wonders what htey put in the water [07:45] * Hobbsee has no idea why he expects users to be able to influence the fact that there are errors in the ubuntu websites, beyond filing bugs about them. [07:47] [16:47] x1250: I'm asking if it's possible for an Ubuntu Developer to call for a vote to e.g. switch to a different BTS [07:47] [07:48] Hobbsee, call me evil [07:48] ompaul: yeah, you are. good thing i won't be there. but that'll require him to validate more than a mail, i expect. [07:50] a windows-only proprietary bts? [07:50] >:) [07:50] * Hobbsee snorts [07:50] bad Jucato! [07:56] * jussio1 is going to shoot someone... (wondering why? see http://www.dilbert.com/animation/ ) :/ [07:59] classy [08:02] * jussi01 changes browser identification... [08:03] jussi01, does that work? [08:03] heh, they are so stupid [08:03] ompaul: yes :P [08:04] hehe [08:04] hav a nice day [08:09] jussi01: hah. nice. [08:09] * Hobbsee was amused to see that the cable for the internet stuff now only supports win2000, XP [08:09] no mac, no linux, no vista. [08:09] Hobbsee: can you explain a sane reason why companies do that? [08:09] the vista one was particularly surprising [08:09] jussio1: they don't want to support it. [08:10] meh [08:10] jussio1: while they might support a bit of it on the side, tehy don't want to be required to support it. [08:10] well yeah, I suppose, but it still sucks. [08:11] jussio1: well, it should work. [08:11] anyway, I should stop watching dilber videos and get back to work... [08:11] jussio1: but for really....not smart...users...i can't blame them [08:11] jussio1: they wouldn't want to have to debug network manager, for eg. [08:11] jussio1: or tell the users how to work firefox. [08:11] hehe [08:13] jussi01: you'd be surprised at how many people ask/demand in #linode for the admins to help them resolve their problems with apache. [08:13] even though it's clearly stated "it's unmanaged, we don't do support for applications" [08:13] some people will try anything. [08:13] :/ === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [10:31] !logs [10:31] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [12:28] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [12:28] good job floodbot [12:29] whoa [12:45] Is it bad that I'm cloning my system to a chroot and then testing the upgrade path there? [12:51] Mez, only if it doesn't work. [12:57] elkbuntu, and if i itt does? [12:58] Mez, it *is* your system, right? [12:59] well, my work system [12:59] Mez, and there's no licence clause on any related application that says you cant do it, right? [13:00] elkbuntu, cloning my system to test itself? [13:01] /me votes for virtualisation [13:01] Myrtti - good point [13:01] but cant be arsed here [13:01] * Mez just assigns it to a core === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [14:21] Jack_Sparrow: I think we was referring to the 'thanks for wasting our time' comment.... [14:22] I know.. and he was wasting our time.. he knows he is running hardy and asking in the wrong place [14:26] bullguard knows exactly what he is doing [14:26] he trys to provoke an argument/situation [14:26] e does tend to ask highly technical linux (not necessarily ubuntu) related questions [14:27] they are never highly technical just long winded [14:27] I've seen some obscure kernel questions before. [14:27] If I am running a 2.6.24 kenrel, on a system that is ubuntu but laid out to look like fedora, with a theme that I found on a slack ware site, how do I add a user [14:27] Perhaps just too technical for me. [14:28] I doubt that [14:28] Or maybe I just misunderstood [14:30] I hate these guys that say they are running both when it is clear they are working on the unsupported one [14:30] agreed [14:30] "I have one pc running gutsy and one running hardy" [14:30] it's clear your asking about hardy [14:30] user1 was a pain about that last night [14:32] I see us needing to keep #Ubuntu-1 for awhile if only for the xorg difference...(Probably need to rephrase that, but I am tired.) [14:32] well as soon as it goes "live" I thought ubuntu+1 got nailed [14:33] +1 will go but wont gutsy then be -1 [14:33] I thought it was just #ubuntu ? [14:33] eg: 7.10 is still supported in the same way that 7.04 is [14:34] Didnt we used to have -1 for previous release [14:34] Noe [14:34] er, Nope [14:34] Pici: who me or Jack_Sparrow [14:35] Im wrong then, I thought we did [14:35] ikonia: Jack [14:35] super, just checkoing [14:35] checking [14:36] For some reason I thought we did back in the badger era but I have been wrong before [14:37] Jack_Sparrow: Perhaps, I wasn't around here during that though. [14:37] For whatever reason it never occured to me that IRC support existed. [14:37] All too soon just one happy family [14:39] I need to go and boot my knoppixmame cd and go mindless for awhile... [14:45] ogra called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [14:46] heads up on [23:46] [Whois] Randall is n=randall@c-71-233-165-132.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (Randall McFarlane) [14:46] Hobbsee: yeah, I have a ban for him in #ubuntu iirc [14:47] right [16:15] LjL: I didn't think that the release announcement had been made yet. [16:18] Pici: well, the releases site has the rc and does *not* have the beta, so we'd be linking to something that doesn't exist. [16:18] it's not yet been made [16:19] Hobbsee: Do you know if the install images are in a final state for the RC? [16:19] nevermind. [16:19] if we aren't linking to the RC then we shouldn't be linking at all, since the beta wiki page links to the same ISOs [16:20] Pici: the annoucement text is being done now [16:20] and they're final, yes [16:20] slangasek just updated the -devel topic, so I guess we're good. [16:21] * Mez wonders whether tis worth upgrading today [16:21] (my chrooted upgrade went well with all the same packages - didnt even need to do a dselect-upgrade [16:30] rc is out, yes [16:32] did we get some server failure that broke +J? [16:33] I had got a bunch of wallops when I was alseep about cycling servers. [16:34] Hobbsee: neither cdimage.ubuntu.com nor releases shows the rc here yet... [16:34] Hobbsee: and it isn't a browser cache issue :) [16:34] thoreauputic: I think the mirrors are still syncing [16:34] right [16:35] Pici: right, two servers were rebooted, but i was there when that happened [16:36] but now i'm in #gentoo-unregistered (from #gentoo) and ##overflow (from #freenode i guess) [16:36] LjL: We had a mass join a few hours ago [16:36] yup, i'm just seeing that [16:36] mass join and flood [16:36] i see the bots stopped the flood pretty fast, for one time in their life [16:37] although, err, they detected a mass join, but set +rR after the mass joiners had already started flooding [16:37] so i guess not *that* fast [16:38] Pici: second-timestamped logs pretty please? [16:39] oh, i see about the +J... [05:45] *** LjL has quit IRC (server dropped connection! [16:39] so when i was gone my server's turn came [16:40] weird though that i don't see the floodbots setting -J before that... so #ubuntu should have been involved too [16:40] but nobody seemed to have joined -unregged [16:40] LjL: Yes the did, I cleared it out [16:40] oh? my logs suck then [16:41] my typing is poor today, I keep missing letters. [16:41] or rather, i don't have logs for it at all [16:41] Do you still need the up to the second logs? [16:41] Pici: so at 3:45 utc a server split and the floodbots didn't move a finger about it? or what? [16:42] * Pici scrolls [16:44] i had a server initiated quit at 3:45, and during the same minute i reconnected (to leguin, i suppose) and ended up in ##overflow [16:45] LjL: No, they did the !netsplit thing then set -J at 23:45:12, then at 23:45:53 freenode set +J 2,5, at 23:46:32 the bot set -J again [16:46] Pici: and the folks joined #ubuntu-unregged at? [16:46] (i think i should make the bots force -J immediately if they see a +J that shouldn't be there... hopefully without that resulting in too many race conditions) [16:47] LjL: It looks like we only got 1 person. [16:47] uhm, then they worked after all [16:47] if you join ##overflow or #gentoo-unregistered, you'll see it's kinda different there [16:48] hm [17:03] is there a way to say 'be on topic' ? [17:03] i need it really quick [17:03] thanks! [17:04] yes. simply stay on topic. [17:04] meeting's going on [17:04] mneptok: need help of ubotu [17:04] where is this? [17:04] #ubuntu-np [17:04] thanks [17:04] !ot [17:04] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [17:05] Pici: need to s/ubuntu/ubuntu-np/g [17:05] :s [17:05] nepbabu: If they won't stop, the perhaps you should mute them. [17:05] okie then.. thanks === Pici` is now known as Pici [18:48] In #kubuntu, techbw said: !!!it is much appreciated!!!! [19:14] !test [19:14] Failed. [19:29] heads up at nerdsquad3210 [n=nerdsqua@a213-22-157-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] [20:42] hrm, Im heading out for a bit, but wth??? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=758536 [20:48] indeed. [20:48] they come and they go. [20:48] it's not official, so *shrug* [20:53] is anyone of you watching the xchat-gnome experience topyli is having at -ot [22:18] Ahaha... "By the way, Pidgin can do IRC. I recommend using that instead of xchat." [22:20] hehe [22:20] muah [22:22] how does anyone even consider it [22:22] I'd recommend even chatzilla over pidgin [22:22] lawn mowers can drive on public roadways, too ( but it's a really bad idea ) [22:24] haha, nice example [22:26] wasn't there some piece of news once about a feller who decided to go buy soda from the store [22:26] with either a tank or a steam roller, can't remember which [22:42] eh. [22:42] "xchat-gnome-dbgsym: Depends: xchat-gnome (= 1:0.18-0ubuntu3) but 1:0.18-2ubuntu4 is to be installed" [22:42] okies. [22:42] nlol. [22:42] not funnay [22:50] give it a while for the archive at people.u.c to update [22:54] !test [22:54] hrm [22:54] is our poor bot dead? [23:03] * PriceChild wonders why none of hte backups are in the channel [23:04] * PriceChild blames jussio1 [23:04] hehe [23:05] jussio1: own up, you kicked them didn't you. [23:05] PriceChild: I have she_said, which I can rename to ubot5 if we need it. [23:05] PriceChild: nope, I blame...ummm [23:06] i dunno, someone [23:11] ubotu: test [23:11] He's dead, Jim. [23:11] :/ [23:12] * Jucato offers condolences [23:12] * jussio1 hands tissues around [23:13] the ubot3 is working in other channels [23:13] autorems for whoever kicks the next bot out of channel. [23:13] i've no idea why its' not working in #ubuntu [23:14] oh there isn't a mute is there? :/ [23:14] i removed it [23:14] nalioth: no message [23:14] unless there are others i didn't see [23:15] nalioth: its catching up... working now [23:15] i've sent a total of 3, PriceChild [23:15] how many have you received? [23:15] i've gotten 2 [23:15] as i said, it works fine in other channels [23:16] whoever has the keys to ubotwo, fire it up [23:18] nalioth: last time I checked it was broken [23:19] umm, ubot3 isn't in #ubuntu, so that'd be a reason [23:19] oh it *was* [23:19] nm [23:20] I can have ubot5 join, but there a couple of non standard factoids. [23:22] PriceChild: / nalioth, would you like ubot5 in there? [23:22] stdin: it was not responding in #ubuntu (but works fine in the other channels it's in) [23:22] jussio1: does it work? [23:22] nalioth: works fine, but as I said, a few non standard factoids [23:23] anything that's likely to come up? [23:23] jussio1: you don't rsync with s e v e a s' database? [23:24] nalioth: no. in the channel its in we have a few things that we play with. [23:24] jussio1: mmmkay. not sure we want a bot that's not synced with the official factoid package [23:24] nalioth: 1 moment [23:36] meh, i fail [23:39]