[00:16] How do I get framebuffer support for ubuntu-server [00:17] just noticed I installed ubuntu but I don't need gnome or other services, or should I use the desktop version, but disable gnome? [00:17] how do I go about this, I want framebuffer support, and a resolution of about 800x600 properly [00:18] Tonisius: add vga=791 (for 1024x768) to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.1st [00:18] not sure which number is 800x600 :) [00:19] hmm, well that's a start [00:20] Tonisius: are you wanting to install a gui? [00:20] not really [00:20] I just want more lines to fit on my vmware screen than the standard [00:20] and I don't want to have the gui, I don't really need it [00:20] I just need to administrate some server stuff for my windows system to test LAMP stuff [00:20] ah, yep the vga parameter will give you that [00:21] awesome [00:21] just not sure where in the config I should put the vga param [00:22] if you edit /boot/grub/menu.1st you should see a line that starts with kernel... just add vga=791 to the end [00:22] there's a kernel line for each one installed... so there's at least 2 one normal and one recovery [00:23] ok, cool [00:23] now I just noticed I didn't download the ubuntu-server, damn... and it's a 500mb download [00:23] *sigh* thank you for your help, I'll do that once I get ubuntu-server downloaded [00:23] Tonisius: you're welcome [00:24] hmm, any ideas on how to switch back to the GUI on the ubuntu 7.10 when CTRL+ALT is used to go back to the main OS? [00:24] I tried CTRL+ALT+F7 and it didn'[t get me back in [00:25] not sure, but I think if you click on the icon in the top left of the title bar it will give you the option [01:08] hi there [01:08] I have a question: I installed Ubuntu 7.10 in an emulator (VirtualBox), installed all updates, rebooted, installed Apache2 and then tried to access Apache2 via IPv6 [01:09] but it doesn't work - Apache2 does not listen on tcp6 [01:09] oh: I installed Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop, not Server (but that should be the same here, or?) [01:11] this problem is reproducible for my productional desktop system [01:15] does anybody have a clue what is wrong here? [01:30] I'm downloading 8.04 Desktop right now and will test it there, too - and will create a new bug report if the bug is there, too [01:30] good night [02:42] is alternate CD in expert mode spected to be so slow? [02:42] the instalation is taken an hour, and i'm configuring languages [05:24] owh: hi [05:39] lqs: Hi, sorry, got called to the phone. I'm on hold at the moment, so I may get called away/ [05:47] FYI backport of the clamav just in Hardy is in ubuntu-clamav PPA for all other releases. [06:14] http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html [06:24] Tuv0k: Yeah, it was sent to the U-S list. [06:30] the ubuntu stat makes me mad [06:32] Tuv0k: There is no need to get mad. [06:32] I was a lil over the top :) [06:36] Tuv0k: I'll say :) [06:56] <_ruben> hmm .. nasty .. irssi clears your scroll back on server dis/reconnect :-/ [08:12] Is there any tool on Ubuntu that can connect to a MS SQL and read out the SQL? [08:14] <_ruben> KenSentMe: freetds [08:14] <_ruben> for example: tdsodbc, which is in main [08:15] _ruben, let me tell what i want. I got a MS SQL database on my host and i need to have a ascii sql database dump. Is that possible with any tool in the repos and without programming? [08:17] KenSentMe: Aquadatastudio is a nice GUI for databasemanagement [08:17] KenSentMe: last time i used it it was free for personal use [08:17] <_ruben> sqsh - commandline SQL client for MS SQL and Sybase servers [08:17] <\sh> KenSentMe, actually it's even difficult to get an ascii sql dump from mssql via their tool already [08:18] We are going to let a new website built and the new builder wants some insight in the current (ms sql) database [08:19] <_ruben> henkjan: do you see any (stalled) connections from my ip (84.244.141.35) on the nl.archive rsync daemon? [08:19] <_ruben> henkjan: its giving me max connections reached [08:21] _ruben: ask Jeeves_. As of 1 april i've a new job, and so no longer root access on nl.archive [08:22] <_ruben> henkjan: ah, didnt know that .. still at bit or smth completely diff ? [08:23] henkjan, going to try aquadatastudio [08:28] _ruben: something complete different. Closer to my house [08:28] no more trafficjams :) [08:29] 10 minutes cycling instead of 1+ hour by car [08:29] <_ruben> henkjan: hehe, nice [08:29] more time for the kids :) [08:29] <_ruben> henkjan: also quite important, when you have 'em that is ;-) [08:31] henkjan, could you help me out a bit with aquadatastudion? [08:32] _ruben: just a sec [08:33] _ruben: No connections on the rsync-daemon [08:34] <_ruben> Jeeves_: debmirror crapped out for some reason, wanted to resume this morning, gave me those errors [08:34] <_ruben> Jeeves_: hmm, let me try again [08:34] <_ruben> @ERROR: max connections (4) reached -- try again later [08:34] <_ruben> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9] [08:35] <_ruben> hmm .. perhaps its debmirror trying to connect more than 4 time simultaneously [08:35] KenSentMe: long time ago i used it. but feel free to ask [08:36] _ruben: That would be useless [08:37] <_ruben> Jeeves_: the odd thing is, it does seem to download *something* [08:38] henkjan, i entered my database user, pass, host and db name at startup and now im in some tree view. I got 3 branches: databases, management and security, when i open databases i then see the name of the db i entered. So everything seems to be working correctly. Do you know if it's possible to export the contents of the database to ascii sql? [08:42] <_ruben> Jeeves_: it seems it does download the various 'Release' files, but fails on downloading the 'Release.gpg' files .. with http it works just fine though [08:46] KenSentMe: select your database. right mouse click -> tools -> export data [08:54] henkjan, ok, i didnt see that option earlier. It gives the option to export 1 table or 'Export from SELECT'. Is there a SELECT query to enter so i get all tables at once? [08:58] KenSentMe: dbatools - storagamanager has backup functionality [09:00] Ok, let me check that, thanks [09:02] moin === Tuv0k is now known as darthanubis [09:21] <_ruben> hmm .. kinda surprised that postfix/dovecot/procmail default installation (tasksel) uses mbox files for storage and not maildirs or anything [09:26] hmm, openpanel looks like a good replacement for webmin [09:38] <_ruben> henkjan: a beta release after ~2 years .. speedy development :p [09:42] read the blog, that states something about the 'release early' mantra [09:43] <_ruben> expected a philosophy (htf is that spelled?!) like that :-) [09:43] Guys, what is the easiest way to build a Local Installation server for an Installfest [09:43] either using PXE or any other boot method or as an internal mirror [09:44] <_ruben> hubuntu: im currently using debmirror to create me a local mirror .. i dont care for pxe or anything (yet) [09:45] <_ruben> am gonna look into creating a preseeded usb stick tho [09:46] _ruben, what is really the advantage of a mirror over PXE? [09:46] I mean using PXE as boot (with the CD for instance) [09:46] COuld not it be possible to have both? [09:47] to install a huge number of pcs booting over pxe and getting the installer via the network is a good system [09:47] but you don' t need a local mirror [09:47] We are having a continetal wide Install Fest in LatinAmerica and I'm going to make a how-to on making this server and put it in their wiki so everyone cabn implement it in their local event [09:47] <_ruben> hubuntu: they're 2 different things really: PXE is way of initiating an install, local mirror is to save on bandwidth and increased speed [09:47] if the server is connected to the internet apt-proxy is enough [09:47] that is if you have goods bandwidth [09:48] if you use apt-proxy the first download is slow the second comes from the cache;) [09:48] the advantage is that you don' t need 60gb harddiskspace [09:48] In Ecuador the problem is that people do not have access to good bandwidth and I doubt that anyone (besides the ISPs) have good speed between the 24th and the 26th enough to donwload the 40GB mirror for Ubuntu [09:49] I have used apt-proxy or apt-cache I think [09:49] but can PXE installation and local mirro installation be an option given from the same server? === ewook_ is now known as ewook [09:51] <_ruben> pxe can use any mirror (public or local), and the use of a local mirror instead of public doesnt require pxe, like i said: two different things [09:55] Ok. But given that the resources are very limitated is it an idea to have, say an apt-proxy mirror AND a PXE server using the CD (inserted in the server) as an installation option? Is that at all possible? [09:58] _ruben? juliux? [10:05] now in another note... Anyone know where to find an updated list of mirrors? The RC release notes need to be done [10:07] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [10:07] thanx [10:09] is that updated on real time? Like the ones that seems to be up to date is actually up to date (thinking of the RC coming today...) [10:10] i have no idea if it is realtime [10:13] <_ruben> hubuntu: why bother with pxe if you'll be putting in an cd anyways ? [10:16] some machines do not have a working CD drive, then we can use a PXE install server and boot those machines from PXE [10:17] or use a floppy.. you never know what you will find... [10:18] in poor countries the type of resources and hardware can be outdated and partially working [10:18] we have to take this into consideration when making the server [10:18] And of course I will use Ubuntu server ;) [10:19] <_ruben> be sure to have plenty of netboot floppy disks .. since booting from pxe isnt available on all hardware [10:19] and now that I think about it anyone here speaking Spanish? I made a presentation on "Ubuntu for (servers and) human beings" looking at the server capabilities that 8.04 gives [10:20] thanks _ruben for the tips and suggestions. I will definitely come around later this weekend for some advice [10:20] <_ruben> dos cervesa is as far as my spanish skills go [10:21] <\sh> guys, what about nic bonding for hardy, actually is it changed from /etc/network/interfaces with ifenslave , or are there now any magic udev rules to setup bonding [10:22] dos cervezas ;) [10:24] <_ruben> hubuntu: i know how to say it, not spell it :p [10:28] if we just think about the highlights is there anything I'm forgeting If I take in account: Debian roots, 7 automated install profiles, Likewise giving us kerberized AD, Ebox giving us control ;) , iSCSI, ufw, virtualization stuff (kvm, vmware, jeos), AppArmor & SELinux, no GUI recommendations, explanations of the LTS cycles and related stuff and (update, install, support). Is there anything I'm forgetting here? [10:29] forgot to mention xen, vzopen, vbox, qemu, paralells but they are in the presentation [10:32] Anyone ideas on anything else I can add, mention? [10:33] <_ruben> i guess you got most bases covered with that list, then again, im just an ordinary (and rather fresh, in ubuntu terms) user [10:38] Howdy, I just finished building a new system to be used as a server on a AMD 780G board, with 2 SATA drives. Looking through the motherboard manual, it says it supports RAID, but after doing some reading of google results, it's "fakeraid" and various sites say I shouldn't bother with it and instead recommend something called "md0". Does anybody have a couple minutes to spare to bring me up... [10:38] ...to speed on how I should set the partitions up? [10:40] Kamilion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408461 === Deeps_ is now known as Deeps [10:41] well.. although I have used the server edition since 6.06 I am rather new and have very basic experience myself in terms of use and configurations. Isn't that the idea of Ubuntu Server: Give you the oportunity to just get the job donbe easily, but also the flexibility if you REALLY want or need some advanced features? [10:41] the keywords you're needing if searching is "mdadm" (thats the tool you use to create and configure md devices) [10:42] Okay, and there was also another option for "LVM" -- what's that and why should I / shouldn't I use that? [10:42] LVM allows you to create easily resizable partitions [10:43] or rather, easily resizable volumes [10:43] that can span multiple partitions [10:43] so if you're doing RAID0 on 2 disks, and think you might add 2 more disks later, you can LVM initially, and then when you get your 2 new disks, you can expand the volume to encompass the 2 new disks [10:43] Ahh, so it's like windows's dynamic volumes? [10:44] i have no idea what windows dynamic volumes do, heh. [10:44] So in that case, I set up LVM at the bottom layer and mdadm over that? [10:44] last i saw, you had to make a volume dynamic to put it in a windows raid array [10:44] no, other way around [10:44] or is there an easier way to do mirroring? [10:44] if you're wanting to do raid1, i'd avoid lvm entirely [10:44] And set up another array later if more drives are added? [10:45] yep [10:45] Cool, sounds good. That's just the information I was looking for. Thank you very much, Deeps. [10:45] happy to help :) [10:46] Can the ubuntu-server disc set up the md stuff for me? I messed around with the LVM stuff a bit but I didn't quite understand it. [10:47] (I'm using the april 14th daily 64bit ubuntu-server disc, by the way.) [10:48] if you've installed your system already without mdadm, you can do it on the installed system [10:49] without any need to reinstall [10:50] I've just been reinstalling over and over, trying to figure it out on my own, actually. [10:51] ended up with a 12GB system partition without all the goodies so far, with nothing but openssh-server installed [10:51] if you're happy to reinstall, it should give you an option to build with software raid [10:52] yeah, I remember that option being there, I'm firing up the installer now. [10:52] if not, you need to make multiple md device, as i believe it mirrors partitions, rather than entire disks [10:52] peronally, i'd recommend shelling out for a more expensive "enterprise grade" hardware raid card if your data's important [10:53] or more accurately, dont treat raid as a backup solution [10:53] <_ruben> thats where raid+lvm comes into play .. make 2 md's .. one small one for /boot .. and one big one (the rest) which will be used for lvm and put all your actual data on lv's in the lvm [10:53] "Physical volume for RAID" is what I'm wanting, correct? [10:53] <_ruben> yes [10:53] _ruben: surely that then defeats the point of separate partitions for separate mountpoints? [10:53] <_ruben> after that you'll have an extra option to configure your raid [10:54] <_ruben> Deeps: why? [10:54] Yeah, that's what I was missing, _ruben. Thanks. [10:54] if you have 1 big lvm spanning your 5 partitions, you're mounting that one big lvm as / [10:54] <_ruben> Deeps: different partitions versus different logical volumes .. dont see that much of a difference [10:55] oh, i misread what you said [10:55] <_ruben> Deeps: i didnt say one big lv, but one big vg (tho i didnt mention vg explicitly i admit) [10:55] "put all your actual data on lv's in the lvm" i see :) [10:55] <_ruben> (vg = volume group = windows' dynamic disk, lv = logical volume = volume within a windows dynamic disk) [10:55] Okay, so I want a seperate boot and swap, a small root / and then the rest of the drives partitioned out for software RAID, is what I'm thinking. [10:56] Backup's not going to be a problem, we've got a bluray burner on order. [10:56] <_ruben> Kamilion: when bothering with software raid, i'd put everything on software raid, not just parts [10:56] so just set a single partition on both drives, full 250GB and everything should 'just work' ? [10:57] <_ruben> no, 2 partitions per drive .. one for each raid mirror (one for /boot and one for the lvm vg) [10:57] <_ruben> you cant boot from lvm on swraid directly [10:58] <_ruben> you need /boot to be on non-lvm in that case [10:58] I'm in agreement with ruben, and apologies for any earlier confusion, I'm not a big fan of using mdadm, and haven't touched it much for a few years now. [10:58] don't think I'm going to be using LVM since all it appears to do for me is allows me to resize the volume pool, and I'm pretty sure that's not going to be nessicary [10:59] yeah, okay, now I'm getting all confused... *laughs* [10:59] Let me start over. [10:59] If you use LVM, it saves you the hassle of haivng to make multiple md raid devices [11:00] I've got a brand new 780G system with a Be-2400 and 8GB of ram, with two maxtor 250GB harddrives that I'd like to enable mirroring on in case one of the drives dies. What's the current best course for doing so? [11:00] on a 250gb disk, put 500mb aside for /boot, and then make a big partition, raid1'd [11:00] Swapfile, swap partition, swap on raid, swap not on raid? [11:01] then within that big partition, make it LVM, and make multiple volumes within that lvm to act as your different partitions [11:01] <_ruben> raid+lvm is a *big* improvement over raid when it comes to setting it up [11:01] <_ruben> *especially* when using more than 2-3 partitions [11:01] I'm converted, in the case of linux software raid at least, anyway. [11:01] well, this is literally a $350 system [11:02] it's probably going to be running samba, asterisk, and maybe doing some network routing. [11:02] thats an impressive setup for $350 [11:02] * Deeps rubs hands with glee at the prospect of being stateside in august [11:02] I already had the two maxtor 250GBs [11:02] hope the euro carries on getting stronger [11:03] the motherboard was $89, the be-2400 was $108, and the ram was $79 each for two 2x2GB muskin kits. [11:03] *mushkin [11:04] plus some cheap generic microatx case. [11:04] <_ruben> why 8G of ram btw? .. sure, ram is dirt cheap, but still ;) [11:04] I was hoping on using a ramdisk for some stuff. [11:04] cunning [11:05] <_ruben> ah [11:05] <_ruben> fair enough then :) [11:05] And as you said, it was cheap and it maxed out the board. [11:05] plus the BE-2400's the 45 watt model... The whole thing is freaking *silent*. [11:06] niice. [11:06] couldn't belive how quiet the maxtor 250GBs ended up to be. [11:06] I need to build me something small silent and cheap to replace my current tv laptop [11:06] it's literally quieter than my Flash-only terminal client [11:06] <_ruben> lunchtime .. bbiab [11:06] nice [11:06] (for some reason, the flash chip makes little noises when it's accessed, heh) [11:07] Plus it's got the radeon 3200HD IGP (based on the 2400HD) [11:08] with HDMI out, which is nice, but it's DVI or HDMI, not both, sadly. [11:08] mm [11:09] Anyway, back to the disk setup... [11:09] I'm still a bit confused on what I should do for an 'optimum' setup... I read a bunch of howtos and stuff already, but most of them were years old for ubuntu 5 and 6 [11:10] for creating a local mirror would you recommend apt-mirror or apt-proxy? Thinks that we are going to use both Gutsy AND Hardy.. what uis the best option? [11:11] so far, the forum link you gave me earlier is the newest I've run across from april 07, and I figure not much has changed between gutsy and hardy [11:11] Kamilion: for an optimum setup, buy a proper hardware raid card :p [11:11] alternatively, what ruben described [11:12] Uhh, considering a hardware raid card would be more expensive than the computer itself, I don't think I wanna go that route. The data's not terribly important, but it's best if it doesn't just go kaput when the drive eventually fails in the office it ends up in [11:13] It will have regular backups to an external bluray burner as well, but as far as I know the drive's on backorder [11:14] Okay, so lemme get this straight then.... Leave some room for /boot (one drive or both?), set up the rest as a raid1, and then run LVM over that? [11:15] With a setup like that, what do I do about swap? [11:15] /boot on both drives in a raid mirror [11:16] lvm on both drives in a raid mirror [11:16] an apt-mirror and apt-proxy server: what is the difference really? What do the one do that the other doesn't? [11:16] or do they give apt in different ways? [11:16] swap... dunno, could have 2 swaps outside of your lvm/raid groups [11:16] so swap should be outside of the raid in a seperate partition? [11:16] yeah i guess [11:17] * Kamilion grins [11:17] Good enough for me. [11:17] so grub will be able to find /boot within the raid, but not the LVM, correct? [11:19] so I end up with RAID( [/boot], [ lvm( [ext3] ) ]), swap? [11:20] lvm( [ext3 /home], [ext3 /var], etc.) [11:20] Allrighty, I think I got it now. Thanks. [11:20] infact no, heh [11:20] you'll end up with [11:21] RAID(boot), RAID(LVM([ext3 /home], [ext3 /var], etc.)), swap [11:21] Ahhhh, okay. [11:21] That really makes it crystal clear to me now. :D [11:22] theoretically, RAID(boot) will be md0 containing hda1 and hdb1, RAID(LVM) will be md1 containing hda2 and hdb2 [11:22] swap you can make 2 i guess, one on each disk [11:23] Makes sense. [11:23] in that case I should be able to get away with 2 6GB swap partitions [11:23] (and yeah, I know, if one of the drives fails and I have pages on swap the whole system will die horribly) [11:25] .... Actually, screw it. The system's got so much ram that swap is unlikely to be used, so i'll just set up a 12GB /swapfile [11:26] the performance difference between a swapfile and a swap partition shouldn't make much of a difference for a light duty server like this. [11:26] Deeps, Thanks so much for your help in getting me up to speed on this in less than an hour. [11:26] _ruben, Thanks to you as well for your valuable input. [11:26] AFK while I bang on the server to go set that up. [11:29] how do I tell swat or samba who the admin user is? [11:32] nm figured it out [11:49] <_ruben> Kamilion: i wouldnt put seperate swap partitions on each drive, i'd put em either within the lvm or on a raid1 .. when one drive fails and you have stuff swapped out, you dont want to lose ur swapped memory [11:49] <_ruben> i usually put within the lvm, for the sake of easyness, speed isnt too much of an issue, since my boxes hardly ever touch the swap [11:49] yeah, I'm gonna set up a swapfile on the LVM for /xen [11:49] <_ruben> i'd go for swap partition, not file [11:50] is it really going to make a difference? [11:50] I seriously doubt it's even going to be hitting swap on dom0 [11:52] <_ruben> probably not, i just prefer having my swap in a partition over having a file for it somewhere [11:53] I've been running linux since slack 1.5 back in '95, progressed through debian -> LFS -> Gentoo -> ubuntu, and I've honestly not noticed a difference between a swapfile and swap partitions as long as the swapfile is created right after mkfs. [11:54] <_ruben> could very well be [11:55] <_ruben> for me its slack4 / debian woody with short side step to gentoo / suse / ubuntu [11:55] So far, ubuntu's been the easiest box I've had the pleasure of using. [11:57] Got sick of manual compiling with LFS after the learning experiance of how everything worked, so I switched to gentoo between 2004-late 2007 when all the project BS started and the ebuilds slowed to a trickle, so I grabbed 7.10 just before 8.04 was started, and I've been on hardy ever since. [11:57] <_ruben> the one thing i liked about suse is YaST, but thats about it ;-) [11:58] And I wasn't a ricer with gentoo, I just used CFLAGS = -Os -pipe. I just enjoyed the useflags. [11:58] not everything needs to be compiled with mysql support XD [12:00] but I eventually got sick of messing around with all that, and just switched to ubuntu because it really does 'just work'. [12:00] I havn't had to delve into any config files other than a simple xorg problem on my old laptop getting stuck at 800x600 but that was as easy as a fbset -x and copying the output into the monitor section of xorg.conf. [12:01] anyone know of a good flash editor? for debian? [12:01] That's pretty impressive for an old keyboard cowboy. [12:01] /ubuntu [12:01] Shrugz: Compiling flash into SWF, or an actual visual editor? [12:02] I don't know about a GUI editor myself, but I know there's a bunch of commandline tools to build SWF files. [12:04] Actually, now that I think about it, doesn't blender have flash support now? [12:04] Kamilion a actual visual editor. i found a kde one but it was only the source not a .deb file [12:04] give synfig a shot then [12:04] should be in universe. [12:05] and avidemux does well for authoring FLVs [12:05] synfig [12:05] ok [12:05] is it in the sudo apt-get [12:05] ? [12:05] yeah [12:06] keep in mind that macromedia flash works pretty well in wine as well, if all else fails. [12:06] my windows emulators are pissing me off [12:06] wine and crossover [12:06] I said pretty well.... not perfect... ;) [12:07] Ktoon might work as well. [12:07] f4l's another option [12:08] I think they have a GUI now [12:08] why does synfig [12:08] sound like a dosser [12:08] LoL [12:08] The following extra packages will be installed: [12:08] ffmpeg (0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) [12:08] imagemagick (6.2.4.5.dfsg1-2ubuntu1) [12:08] libdv-bin (1.0.0-1ubuntu1) [12:08] libgtk1.2 (1.2.10-18) [12:08] libgtk1.2-common (1.2.10-18) [12:08] libimlib2 (1.3.0.0debian1-4build1) [12:09] libswscale1d (0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) [12:09] libsynfig0 (0.61.06-2) [12:09] libxml++2.6c2a (2.20.0-0ubuntu1) [12:09] damn [12:09] sorry for the flood [12:09] but damn [12:09] thats not all really needed is it [12:09] GTK's the gui toolkit, imagemagick converts between various graphic formats, ffmpeg creates flv [12:10] i do all that stuff on vistachitty [12:11] Dunno much about it myself, I just googled for it and got back http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435080 [12:13] Well, the server just came up with RAID+LVM. [12:14] Thanks Deeps and _ruben. I'll dig further into mdadm and lvm myself now that I've got it basically working. [12:14] you know ZeroDay Kamilion? [12:14] i dunno if he runs that on the ubuntu server [12:14] Person/place/thing? [12:14] aka chris randolph [12:14] Nope [12:14] he helped with implimenting the java platforms [12:14] into ubuntu [12:14] I don't hang around IRC much anymore... 15 years of it has burnt me out. [12:14] me too [12:14] lol [12:15] i used to run on here under many names u might remember [12:15] have u always ran the same nick man? [12:15] yep. [12:15] i thought that was u [12:15] lol [12:15] the one and only [12:15] Freenode, EFnet, Oper on Axenet, previous oper on nintendorks [12:15] my first nick bro [12:16] i am the 1 of the original mad's [12:16] Ah, right on... I vaguely remember that nick [12:16] i always went by that [12:16] well if u had the key term at the end that sums up deranged programmer and begins with the letter H [12:16] you would know [12:16] bro [12:16] lol [12:16] I know too many deranged programmers these days. Got a job at NASA. [12:19] you know what i meant by the word H [12:19] right [12:19] at the end of my mad name [12:19] not offhand right now, I've been up for 2 days reading and my eyes are tired and watery [12:19] MadHatter?! [12:24] sommer: "do not config" is the default only if there is already a /etc/postfix/main.cf [12:24] iric [12:24] iirc, even [12:31] lamont: cool, I assume you're talking about the conversation between me and mathiaz? [12:33] yeah [12:34] ah, ya I just had one of those "wasn't there a bug like this before" moments, but mathiaz straightened me out [12:36] anyone tested ebox? Does it make heavy changes in conf files by default or what? [12:37] I was looking at it earlier myself but I havn't tested it yet. [12:38] but I think it does indeed do heavy config changes -- it even warns not to have the services configured beforehand cause it'll eat 'em [14:18] hi! [14:18] morning all! [14:19] can someone help me with lvm? [14:19] <_ruben> edneymatias: someone might if you'd state a more detailed question :) [14:19] ok..just to see if someone is listening [14:19] :D [14:19] thank you [14:20] first of all...it isn't a question about ubuntu server...but relates to lvm... [14:20] so...i posted in ubuntu channel...but no way...so [14:21] i did a manual install of the lvm using the default cd...without the alternate cd [14:21] so...i loaded the md-mod [14:21] installed lvm2 [14:21] did the partitioning [14:23] ubiquity recongnized the partitions and allowed me to specify the mounting points [14:23] and installed everything [14:24] affter installation completed i chrooted to the new system and install lvm packages [14:24] and reboot just to see the machine hanging [14:24] just after detecting devices...just before mouting root filesystem [14:25] finally the question is....what am i missing? [14:25] :D [14:25] <_ruben> the default cd doesnt support lvm out of the box?? [14:25] nop [14:26] <_ruben> guess lvm is less of an 'issue' for desktops indeed [14:26] <_ruben> only using server myself [14:26] <_ruben> so wouldnt know [14:26] <_ruben> could be that the initrd lacks some lvm stuff or smth [14:27] i see...and agree....it just sounded possible to do like that...i can 't figure out why it doesn't work [14:27] so... [14:27] in some version ubuntu droped the lvm-commont package [14:27] now it's just lvm2 [14:28] edneymatias: is the lvm partition listed in /etc/fstab? [14:28] and there isn't /etc/init.d/lvm script [14:28] yes they are [14:29] it seems udev handles the dm-mod loading and vgscan stuff [14:29] is dm_mod loaded? lsmod | grep dm_mod [14:29] our debian server do that throught the init.d script [14:30] that's something i can't check...if dm_mod is loaded [14:30] couse i can't get a prompt when i boot the machine [14:30] but...looking in udev...there's a script supposed to do that...i guess [14:31] edneymatias: is there an error when it doesn't mount the lvm partition? [14:31] 65-dmsetup.rules [14:33] booting in single mode it hangs just after detecting the discs... [14:33] no error message...none i can see from the messages [14:35] edneymatias: you might try editing /etc/fstab and using the path to the device instead of the uuid number... /dev/mapper/lvm-volume-name [14:35] yes fstab is using the uuid [14:36] sommer...while i was writing here ....it droped to busybox [14:37] you'll probably need to boot from a cd and enter the recovery mode [14:37] and it's what you said...no dm-mod loaded... [14:37] i needed just wait a bit more [14:37] :) [14:39] but...how i fix it? [14:40] edneymatias: you'll need to boot from a cd, then edit the file... at least that's my idea, it could be wrong :) [14:40] which onde? [14:40] which one? [14:41] edneymatias: /etc/fstab see my comment above [14:41] no no...ok...i saw [14:41] but...the problem is the dm-mod not loading [14:42] edneymatias: then edit /etc/modules and add dm_mod to the bottom, but if the machine went to busybox it probably wouldn't load dm_mod [14:43] my thought was that it somehow got the uuid number wrong, so if you change fstab to the device name it might work [14:43] ok i try change the fstab first [14:43] other than that, I'm really not sure what else you can do... without a more detailed error message [14:44] when it went to busyboxy it showed /dev/mapper/vg0-root doesn't exist... [14:45] that's to be expected since busybox isn't a full environment [14:45] hummm..not a clue indeed [14:45] at least that's what I'd expect [14:48] <_ruben> probably lacks the lvm kmods in the initrd [14:48] humm...when i install lvm2 it updates the initrd [14:49] i think [14:49] <_ruben> hmm .. in that case the module load / be loadable in the busybox env [14:49] <_ruben> and/or changing fstab might do the trick [14:50] i'll try both... [14:50] <\sh> edneymatias, did you just install it from an alternate cd without manual configuring the LVM devices (but with an already lvm partitioned HD?) [14:51] nop...installed from the default cd (no alternate) and manually install lvm and did the partitioning [14:52] * \sh had yesterday the bugger that the d-i installer recognized the lvm in general but never installed lvm2 because you have to actually enter the lvm device somehow... [14:52] <\sh> in the d-i partitioner that is... [14:53] sh...the ubiquity alread recognized the partitions...and installed everything except the lvm package [14:54] but before reboot the system i chrooted and did it myself [14:55] * \sh don't know anything about ubiquity ;) [14:55] <\sh> s/don't/doesn't/ [14:55] i think it work the same way [14:55] <\sh> edneymatias, na... [14:56] basically [14:56] ;) [14:57] <\sh> edneymatias, but recognizing as in "Yes, this partition can contain LVM mappings" and "Yes, I want to mount special lvm mappings" is different though...recognizing doesn't give lvm2 package at all, at least in d-i...mounting or adding lvm mappings but pulls lvm2 package in [14:58] <\sh> edneymatias, that's why I asked... [14:59] ok...but it just recongnized and allowed me to map only after i also installed the lvm2 package in the live cd enviroment [14:59] i installed, loaded the modules...run vgscan and vgchange...the way it's supposed to do in booting time [14:59] i guess [15:00] <\sh> edneymatias, ah ok...so it's something different then...without having lvm2 package installed, imho ubiquity running on live-cd won't recognize the mapping in general but knows about the LVM partition id (via parted) [15:00] sorry if i confused you...english isn't my default language [15:00] :) [15:01] <\sh> edneymatias, /me 's german so I understand you very nicely...I didn't catch it, that you are not using the alternate installer cd :) [15:03] yeah...now i'm downloading it...but...it would be if i don't have to... [15:03] anyway editing fstab and change from uuid to device name doesn't work [15:04] i will try to edit /etc/modules [15:21] ok...any other idea? :P [15:22] editing modules didn't solve [15:23] <_ruben> edneymatias: made sure the lvm mods are avail in ur initrd ? [15:25] well...it's like i said...installing lvm2 triggered initrd update..but i'm not really sure...how can i check that and how can i update it? [15:26] jdstrand: ping re: bug 217815 [15:26] Launchpad bug 217815 in linux "Installation stalls randomly until a key is pressed" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217815 [15:26] mdz: pong [15:27] jdstrand: trying to get a handle on how serious this bug is [15:27] <_ruben> edneymatias: either by trying to load the module (modprobe) while in the busybox prompt .. or check the files within the initrd file [15:27] jdstrand: can you answer any of the questions I put into the report? [15:27] mdz: sure [15:27] ok ...modprobe fails on busybox [15:27] here or there? [15:27] jdstrand: there [15:27] mdz: np [15:36] mdz: updated [15:41] * lamont wonders if the nagios-plugins overwrites nagios-plugins-extra on upgrade bug is already uploaded/fixed, or if that's still pending [15:42] soren: how do you specify to use a virtio disk in libvirt ? [15:42] mathiaz: Replace: [15:43] [15:43] with [15:43]