[00:30] <homebrewcider> hey there, got a new video card, did the <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg> thing, on restart the graphic is in 800x600, seemed much better beore I did the <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg> thing
[00:32] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: when you do it, it lets you choose the resolutions that will be available, and also to configure your monitor screen
[00:32] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: make sure you picked them correctly
[00:33] <homebrewcider> I chose relevant resolutions, nothing too extravagant
[00:33] <homebrewcider> it seems to be reverting to a "failsafe"
[00:33] <TheSheep> what about the monitor? it asks at some point whether to write the synch ranges to the files, it's better to answer no at that point
[00:34] <TheSheep> ah
[00:34] <TheSheep> then the driver you have chosen doesn't work for some reason
[00:34] <TheSheep> what card is that?
[00:34] <homebrewcider> asus en 8800gt, it just identified it as nvidia
[00:35] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: there should be a 'restricted driver manager' in your menu, under system
[00:36] <homebrewcider> tried that
[00:36] <TheSheep> did it install the driver
[00:36] <TheSheep> ?
[00:36] <homebrewcider> says "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers"
[00:36] <TheSheep> ok, then it's not nvidia :/
[00:37] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
[00:38] <homebrewcider> <02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0611 (rev a2)>
[00:38] <TheSheep> weird
[00:38] <TheSheep> well, try 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx', this is the proprietary driver that nvidia provides
[00:39] <homebrewcider> I wasn't having this problem BEFORE I did the <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>
[00:39] <homebrewcider> gtting that now
[00:41] <homebrewcider> that's finished
[00:41] <homebrewcider> log out and back in?
[00:41] <TheSheep> now run that reconfigure again, select the 'nvidia' driver, all defaults, and to not write the sync ranges
[00:41] <homebrewcider> ok
[00:43] <homebrewcider> did that
[00:44] <TheSheep> ok, alt+ctrl+backspace will restart X, the graphical environemnt
[00:44] <TheSheep> 9it will also log you out)
[00:44] <homebrewcider> ok
[00:45] <homebrewcider> no, same deal, it's actually 640x480
[00:47] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[00:47] <homebrewcider> sure
[00:48] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/988921
[00:49] <TheSheep> ok, it uses driver 'nv', try using the driver 'nvidia'
[00:49] <TheSheep> is should have appeared on the list after you installed nvidia-glx
[00:50] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/988927
[00:51] <homebrewcider> ok
[00:51] <homebrewcider> logging out, brb
[00:53] <homebrewcider> hmmm
[00:53] <TheSheep> any luck?
[00:53] <homebrewcider> no
[00:53] <TheSheep> can you also pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.last ?
[00:53] <homebrewcider> I redid the reconfigure, selected nvidia, not nv
[00:56] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/988933
[00:56] <TheSheep> this looks good
[01:00] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=675453&highlight=8800gt
[01:01] <homebrewcider> http://pastebin.ca/988942
[01:02] <homebrewcider> hmm, set res in reconf to 1280x1024 only?
[01:03] <TheSheep> wait, they tell to install the 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new'
[01:03] <TheSheep> that's the driver for the most recent cards
[01:03] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665018
[01:03] <homebrewcider> I'll do that first then? new?
[01:04] <TheSheep> it will uninstall nvidia-glx and install nvidia-glx-new
[01:04] <homebrewcider> ok
[01:05] <TheSheep> you might need a reboot after that, the old nvidia module may be still in memory
[01:06] <homebrewcider> ok
[01:06] <homebrewcider> cheers
[01:27] <Mannequin> hi
[01:28] <Mannequin> is there any easy way to generate a list of current installed (by me) software. I ask because I'm going to format in few days (and then install the about to come Ubuntu version)
[01:29] <zoredache> there is a way to show all installed software... do a (dpkg --get-selections) in a terminal
[01:30] <zoredache> there is probably a way (but I don't know how) to dump the apt database that records if a package was installed automatically or manually
[01:30] <TheSheep> it's in /var/lib/apt/extended_states
[01:31] <Mannequin> ok, thanks
[01:32] <Mannequin> is it worth to delete hidden files (usually config files) in my user's home directory before re-installing? (I mean, to avoid conflicts, if any)
[01:32] <TheSheep> Mannequin: shouldn't be any conflicts
[01:33] <Mannequin> TheSheep: thanks
[01:34] <Mannequin> TheSheep: you say there is a way to filter apps installed by me?
[01:34] <zoredache> Mannequin: look at that file... anything with auto-installed: 0 is a manuall install
[01:37] <TheSheep> zoredache: the ones with auto-installed:0 are not listed there, I'm afraid
[01:38] <TheSheep> so filtering it would be non-trivial
[01:38] <zoredache> actually it should be easier that way
[01:43] <zoredache> so something like ---   cat /var/lib/apt/extended_states | grep 'Package: ' | sed 's/Package: //' > /tmp/theautostuff  ; dpkg --get-selections | grep -v -f /tmp/theautostuff
[02:23] <freerise> it sats in synaptics man page "A manual with detailed instructions can be found in the help menu of Synaptic."  how do i access this help menu?
[02:24] <freerise> it says*
[02:27] <xxxxxxx> I have an intel video card how do i check for the latest driver?
[02:28] <xxxxxxx> I am running opengl 1.4 and need 2.0 is there a way to find out if my card supports it?
[02:35] <freerise> back to reading man pages and such
[02:35] <freerise> later
[03:10] <lobazo> I have a problem with the oxford advanced learner's dictionary. The fonts are smaller. There is a carpet of the program with the fonts but i don't know how can i change it
[03:24] <lobazo> ok other question. my screen resolution it's ok but in the starting of xubuntu change to other resolution an after session manager the resolution is good
[03:24] <lobazo> what i have to do?
[05:42] <godlygeek> for the life of me, i can't figure out where the default system menu comes from, but i'm trying to figure out why Accessories/Terminal doesn't respect /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator - can anyone give me a pointer?
[07:36] <Johninky> hello all
[07:39] <Johninky> Can I ask a quick question please, might take a long answer
[07:42] <The-Kernel> Johninky aure
[07:43] <Johninky> what is aure???
[07:43] <The-Kernel> its a typo for "sure"
[07:44] <Johninky> i was wanting to know how to write driver for my wireless card
[07:45] <The-Kernel> how to write a driver?!
[07:45] <Johninky> yes
[07:45] <The-Kernel> Well...I'd suggest you first see if there's on for your card already.
[07:46] <The-Kernel> if not, then I suggest you visit the ubuntu-devel or xubuntu-devel channels
[07:47] <Johninky> Yea there is one for windows it is a .inf file but I can not get it to load or I really might know how to do it right
[07:47] <The-Kernel> you tried ndiswrapper?
[07:47] <The-Kernel> !ndiswrapper
[07:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:48] <Johninky> I have tried ndisgtk and ndiswrapper
[07:48] <The-Kernel> Well, then it just might be that your card is not supported....what kind is it?
[07:49] <Johninky> dynex dx-wgdtc
[07:49] <Johninky> wireless g card
[07:50] <Johninky> I have spent a week to get the defalt to load
[07:51] <zoredache> why not just by a  working card?
[07:51] <zoredache> buy*
[07:52] <Johninky> I thought I did, I bought another card it is a netgear wn311b
[07:52] <Johninky> it is a wireless n card
[07:53] <Johninky> it say on the box that it works with unix
[07:56] <Johninky> thank you for your help I have moved over to ubuntu-devel to see if I can get more help ther and thank you again
[09:26] <homebrewcider> ok, new video card, asus en8800gt, <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>, the result is 640x480 res,  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new, <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>, restart, still the same. anybody got any ideas
[10:09] <homebrewcider> anybody?
[10:12] <gynterk> Hello, Xubuntu 7.10, any ideas why I can play some wma files and some not?
[10:12] <homebrewcider> drm issue maybe gynterk?
[10:13] <gynterk> hmm
[10:13] <gynterk> might be indeed
[10:13] <gynterk> but in Win those files worked correctly
[10:13] <gynterk> wint mediaplayer
[10:14] <gynterk> I also have "License Backup" from windows
[10:16] <gynterk> so is there a way to get those files working again?
[10:16] <gynterk> I'm really not up to re-rip all those CD-s :P
[10:16] <gynterk> ~3000 songs
[10:16] <homebrewcider> convert the lot to mp3
[10:17] <gynterk> but converting to mp3 doesn't have drm issue ?
[10:17] <gynterk> or ogg
[10:17] <homebrewcider> worth a shot with one of the affected songs for starters
[10:17] <gynterk> hmm but converting to mp3 or ogg means also loss
[10:19] <gynterk> but does the DRM thing depend on audio-player?
[10:19] <homebrewcider> dunno
[10:19] <gynterk> Currently I'm using audacious, but in Debian with Amarok it was okay
[10:24] <homebrewcider> new video card, asus en8800gt, <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>, the result is 640x480 res, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new, <sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg>, restart, still the same. anybody got any ideas
[11:08] <homebrewcider> does anybody have a EN8800GT installed in Xubuntu?
[11:08] <ablomen> homebrewcider, i have a gts, dunno if it makes much difference
[11:09] <homebrewcider> got nvidia drivers working?
[11:09] <ablomen> yep without a problem
[11:09] <homebrewcider> can I ask how? I'm having all sorts of problems
[11:10] <ablomen> i just installed the -new drivers, manually set the driver to nvidia and fine-tuned everything with nvidia-settings
[11:10] <homebrewcider>  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[11:10] <homebrewcider> did that
[11:10] <homebrewcider> ight so far?
[11:10] <homebrewcider> right so far?
[11:11] <ablomen> yeah
[11:11] <homebrewcider> then what? did you do the dpkg command?
[11:12] <ablomen> then just open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the text-editor of your preference (with sudo) and search for the word Driver
[11:12] <ablomen> that should end up looking like this:        Driver          "nvidia"
[11:12] <homebrewcider> mine does
[11:13] <ablomen> ok well then you can try setting a different resolution in nvidia-settings (with sudo again)
[11:13] <homebrewcider> nvidia settings?
[11:13] <ablomen> yeah just run `sudo nvidia-settings` in a terminal
[11:14] <homebrewcider> mmm, I'll be back
[11:14] <homebrewcider> thanx
[11:14] <ablomen> ok good luck
[11:15] <homebrewcider> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[11:15] <homebrewcider> <Section "Device"
[11:15] <homebrewcider>     Identifier     "EN8800GT"
[11:15] <homebrewcider>     Driver         "nvidia"
[11:15] <homebrewcider> EndSection>
[11:16] <homebrewcider> that's from my xorg.conf
[11:16] <ablomen> hmm did you restart X ?
[11:16] <homebrewcider> hang on
[11:17] <ablomen> yay for restarting without me telling him he should modprobe the module too \o/
[11:20] <homebrewcider> no still no joy
[11:20] <ablomen> did you see an nvidia logo when X started?
[11:20] <homebrewcider> no
[11:20] <ablomen> and did you restart your computer or only X?
[11:21] <homebrewcider> tried both
[11:22] <homebrewcider> it's saying I'm not using the NVIDIA X driver, capital letters, inmy xorg.conf file nvidia is in lower case,
[11:22] <ablomen> hmm what output do you get if you enter `lsmod  | grep nvidia` in a terminal?
[11:23] <homebrewcider> <nvidia               6221648  0
[11:23] <homebrewcider> agpgart                35016  1 nvidia
[11:23] <homebrewcider> i2c_core               26112  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2>
[11:24] <ablomen> hmm
[11:24] <ablomen> well sorry i dont know then, not i problem i ever had
[11:24] <ablomen> you could try #ubuntu
[11:24] <homebrewcider> ok
[11:24] <homebrewcider> cheers
[11:24] <ablomen> good luck homebrewcider
[11:42] <heno> is anyone here able to perform xubuntu gutsy -> hardy upgrade tests?
[11:42] <heno> and ideally dapper -> hardy
[11:42] <heno> i386 and amd64
[11:43] <heno> those are listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com but look unlikely to get coverage
[11:44] <heno> we have done extensive upgrade tests generally though with lots of packages installed, including the xfce stuff
[11:45] <heno> so unless someone wants to do those tests specifically, I'm inclined to just hide the entries in the tracker
[11:47] <pulseezar> heya, cansomeone recommend a good bit torrent client to use with xubuntu, I can't find any one synaptic.
[11:53] <TheSheep> I believe transmission is installed by default in hardy
[11:53] <Iskr> transmission is also "in synaptic" in gutsy
[12:00] <gynterk> i have a problem, Xubuntu 7.10
[12:00] <gynterk> If i connect my mp3player I can't see it
[12:00] <gynterk> tail -f /var/log/messages: Apr 18 14:00:06 pupsik kernel: [ 8320.074930] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10
[12:00] <gynterk> and thats all
[12:01] <gynterk> Player is Apacer AudioSteno AS820
[12:02] <gynterk> odd
[12:02] <gynterk> now it found
[12:02] <gynterk> hmm
[12:02] <gynterk> okay
[12:02] <gynterk> thanks anyway :P
[13:34] <NekoKun> Can I somehow list the installed packages and the space used by them? I've installed xUbuntu, but I want to slim it down
[13:44] <kennethr> does xubuntu benefit from ubuntu's LTS rating of a release?  ie. will xubuntu 8.04 have the same support model as ubuntu 8.04?
[13:45] <kennethr> LTS?
[13:47] <TheSheep> kennethr: no
[13:48] <TheSheep> kennethr: well, it benefits indirectly, as it is based on ubuntu
[13:48] <TheSheep> kennethr: but there is no commercial support for xubuntu, so obviously there is also no lts
[13:48] <kennethr> TheSheep: ok, maybe I don't understand lts.
[13:50] <kennethr> TheSheep: will software updates for xubuntu 8.04 be released for a longer period of time than 7.10?  what about ubuntu 8.04 lts vs. 7.10?
[13:51] <Helsu> Are there no FTP servers for Xubuntu?
[13:51] <Helsu> Because I don't find ANY FTP servers when I search for ftp server in add/remove. Just apps for administering servers and FTP clients.
[13:52] <TheSheep> kennethr: xubuntu will use all the pathes released for ubuntu, they share a common base
[13:52] <TheSheep> !ftp
[13:52] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[13:53] <TheSheep> !ftpd
[13:53] <ubotu> FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[13:54] <Helsu> How can  I easily set a particular APP to autoboot?
[13:54] <Helsu> Preferably without the use of a command line
[13:56] <Helsu> I can't find anyo of these (proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd), and ftpd is only available as a server manager
[13:57] <TheSheep> Helsu: they are not in synaptic?
[13:57] <Helsu> They are not in add/remove applications, no
[13:58] <TheSheep> Helsu: add/remove applications contains just a few most poular desktop applications, use synaptic
[14:01] <Helsu> Do you know which of these "proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd and wzdftpd" have a GUI?
[14:05] <TheSheep> Helsu: none, they are servers
[14:06] <Helsu> right
[14:06] <TheSheep> there separate 'graphical frontends' for managing them
[14:06] <TheSheep> they are listed in that factoid
[14:07] <Helsu> but i can configure them from a GUI?
[14:07] <TheSheep> yes, with those frontends
[14:09] <Helsu> from windows too?
[14:09] <TheSheep> no
[14:10] <TheSheep> unless you use something like vnc
[14:10] <TheSheep> to run that gui app on the linux but display on windows
[14:10] <Helsu> ok
[14:10] <Helsu> do you know of an app that i can install from synaptic
[14:10] <Helsu> just set up a password
[14:11] <Helsu> then i can turn this machine off
[14:11] <Helsu> put it in another room, boot it there
[14:11] <Helsu> and have a remote desktop over lan using tightvnc?
[14:11] <TheSheep> !vnc
[14:11] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[14:11] <TheSheep> this howto should be helpful
[14:13] <Helsu> ok
[14:14] <Helsu> i set the server packages for install in synaptic
[14:15] <Helsu> by the way how is xubuntu with oki?
[14:15] <Helsu> good support?
[14:15] <TheSheep> oki?
[14:16] <TheSheep> ah, printers?
[14:16] <Helsu> yeah
[14:16] <TheSheep> no idea, I guess it dpends on the model, there is a hardware compatibility list on the ubuntu wiki, you can also check the forums
[14:16] <Helsu> ok
[14:16] <Helsu> now i'll try to shut this desktop down
[14:16] <Helsu> boot it
[14:17] <Helsu> and try to connect with tightvnc from my laptop
[14:17] <Helsu> without doing anything at the desktop
[14:17] <Helsu> thanks for your help for now.
[14:23] <homebrewcider> anybody got a en8800gt video card installed that could help me please?
[14:24] <Helsu> ok, i couldn't connect. i entered my hostname (hjemmeserver)
[14:24] <Helsu> just typing that in tightvnc worked yesterday with another app
[14:24] <Helsu> !vnc
[14:24] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[14:25] <Helsu> is is suppose to be auto-booted, right?
[14:25] <Helsu> the vnc server
[14:29] <nyn84> hi everyone, I have a question about xubuntu
[14:29] <TheSheep> Helsu: I think you need to enable it
[14:29] <TheSheep> !ask | nyn84
[14:29] <ubotu> nyn84: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:31] <nyn84> I have a usb mouse connected to my notebook and once in a while it just stops working, I wonder what kind of command I should use to check if theres something wrong with the drivers
[14:31] <Helsu> It works with this app I got from add/remove, it's called KDE desktop sharing
[14:31] <TheSheep> nyn84: dmesg | tail will show you last kernel messges
[14:31] <Helsu> it works brilliant
[14:31] <Helsu> the only problem is it doesn't auto-boot
[14:32] <TheSheep> nyn84: lsusb will giv you the list of connected usb devices
[14:32] <Helsu> Is there any way you can help me get it to automatically start?
[14:32] <nyn84> lsusb tells me the mouse is recognized even when it doesn't work, and should I use that other command right now or just when it stopped working again?
[14:33] <TheSheep> Helsu: maybe try checking system->services
[14:34] <TheSheep> Helsu: and enabling it in there
[14:35] <Helsu> i it isn't there
[14:36] <TheSheep> :/
[14:36] <TheSheep> Helsu: what are you doing to start it?
[14:37] <Helsu> I go to applications/network
[14:38] <Helsu> alternatively i can enable the other server thing i instaleld from the wiki
[14:38] <Helsu> i've only done the thing under SSH, but i don't care about the encryption
[14:38] <Helsu> How can I alternatively enable the server? Not the KDE thing
[14:39] <TheSheep> it's not listed in services either?
[14:40] <Helsu> no
[14:41] <nyn84> anymore thoughts on the usb thing?
[14:41] <TheSheep> Helsu: I'm sorry, I never played with this, the wiki and forums may have some answers
[14:42] <TheSheep> nyn84: anything I can think of is to look for suspicious messages in dmesg
[14:42] <nyn84> yeah, I guess I'll have to wait then ^^
[14:44] <nyn84> I've got another one though: I managed to create a key shortcut for the windows key, however I have two press it twice to execute the assigned action, how do I change that, so that pressin once will do the same thing?
[14:47] <TheSheep> I usually worked around that by editing the .config/xfce4/shortcuts/*.xml file directly
[14:50] <nyn84>  I cannot find that folder
[14:50] <TheSheep> all files starting with a period are hidden
[14:51] <TheSheep> enable displaying of hidden files in Thunar by pressing ctrl+h or selecting it from menu
[14:52] <nyn84> did that but it still doesn't show
[14:56] <nyn84> where is the .config directory located? in / ?
[14:56] <TheSheep> nyn84: in your home directory
[14:57] <nyn84> yeah when you know where to look you find things XD
[14:58] <nyn84> okay, I've got the file now and it says basically the same thing the GUI keyboard settings
[14:59] <nyn84> <shortcut command="xfce4-terminal" keys="Super+Super_L"/>
[14:59] <TheSheep> nyn84: yes, but now you can edit the shortcut to read "Super" instead of "Super+Super_L"
[15:00] <nyn84> <shortcut command="xfce4-terminal" keys="Super"/>
[15:00] <TheSheep> nyn84: the Super keys are weird because they can be used both as "shift" key and alone
[15:00] <TheSheep> yes
[15:00] <nyn84> that did not help
[15:01] <nyn84> now pressing the key does nothing
[15:01] <TheSheep> :/
[15:02] <TheSheep> what if you put Super_L in there?
[15:03] <nyn84> no
[15:03] <nyn84> still have to press twice
[15:03] <nyn84> or again ^^
[15:03] <nyn84> ha
[15:03] <nyn84> wait
[15:03] <nyn84> it did work ^^
[15:04] <nyn84> thank you very much
[15:04] <TheSheep> :)
[15:06] <nyn84> btw I thing it has a nice subtext to it to have the windows key open a terminal XD
[15:06] <nyn84> *think
[15:07] <Helsu> sheep
[15:07] <Helsu> do you know how i can make the thing you linked to me autoboot then?
[15:07] <Helsu> or be enabled?
[15:07] <TheSheep> Helsu: the vlc?
[15:08] <TheSheep> Helsu: sorry, vnc?
[15:09] <Helsu> yes
[15:09] <TheSheep> Helsu: I'm sorry, maybe someone else here, you could also ask in #ubuntu, it's a general thing I think
[15:09] <Helsu> ok
[15:10] <Helsu> but from my experience my question will drown in there
[15:10] <TheSheep> yeah, it's very busy
[15:10] <TheSheep> you could also post a question on forum
[15:13] <nyn84> TheSheep: are you in the mood for another one?
[15:13] <TheSheep> nyn84: shoot
[15:13] <TheSheep> btw, I'm not the only user here, you know
[15:13] <nyn84> yeah but you're the only one who's talking ^
[15:25] <nyn85> sorry, my connection broke
[15:26] <nyn85> TheSheep: are you still there?
[15:26] <TheSheep> yes
[15:27] <nyn85> did you say anything after I described the problem?
[15:29] <floating> err hi. how do i run a terminal from a terminal
[15:30] <nyn85> xfce4-terminal
[15:30] <floating> thx
[15:30] <TheSheep> nyn85: last thing you said was "16:13 < nyn84> yeah but you're the only one who's talking ^
[15:30] <nyn85> oh so the connection was already gone then
[15:31] <nyn85> I've been trying to install this black theme: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/My+OLD+themes?content=79038  ; but I did not do it right apparently, it does show up in the user interface settings, but blue not black and it does not show up in the window manager
[15:32] <nyn85> the file contains a lot of archives and I'm not sure whihch to put where
[15:33] <nyn85> I guess with the blue thing that I put the wrong file into it, since there's also a blue theme in th package
[15:34] <nyn85> but why wouldn't it appear in the window manager as well?
[15:35] <TheSheep> nyn85: I guess you need to unpack the NovumOs-gtk2 archive to your .themes
[15:35] <TheSheep> nyn85: the window manager theme is for metacity, so it won't work with xfce
[15:36] <TheSheep> nyn85: but the gtk theme and wallpapers will
[15:36] <nyn85> does that mean the windows will keep looking as they are now?
[15:36] <TheSheep> nyn85: the gdm theme can be installed by dragging-and-dropping the archive into the login window settings  program
[15:37] <nyn85> let's go step by step: I unpacked the Novum-file, it contains 4 more archives
[15:38] <nyn85> do all of these need to be unpacked in the .themes folder?
[15:39] <TheSheep> no, just the -gtk2 one
[15:39] <TheSheep> yes, the window borders won't change
[15:41] <nyn85> ok I unpacked that file into the .themes
[15:41] <nyn85> where do the other ones go?
[15:41] <TheSheep> it should now appear in the user interface settings
[15:42] <nyn85> yes it does
[15:42] <TheSheep> for the gdm theme, open the settings->login window settings, and dragn-and-drop the archive into the theme list
[15:42] <TheSheep> the third one, for metacity, is useless for xfce
[15:43] <nyn85> thats too bad
[15:44] <nyn85> what about the 4th?
[15:44] <TheSheep> I only see 3
[15:45] <TheSheep> -gdm, -gtk2 and -rounded
[15:45] <nyn85> wait a sec, I'll make a list
[15:46] <nyn85> logo.png           NovumOS-GDM.tar.gz   NovumOS-Rounded.tar.gz  Walls
[15:46] <nyn85> NovumOS.cgwdtheme  NovumOS-gtk2.tar.gz  NovumOS-Splash.png
[15:46] <nyn85> see the cgwdtheme ?
[15:47] <TheSheep> ah, no idea what that is :)
[15:47] <nyn85> XD
[15:47] <TheSheep> splash won't work for xfce either
[15:47] <TheSheep> no, wait, you can set it as image
[15:47] <TheSheep> in one of the splash engines in splash settings
[15:48] <nyn85> splash means splash screen in this case?
[15:48] <TheSheep> yes, xubuntu has it normally disabled
[15:49] <nyn85> yeah I don't need that anyway
[15:49] <homebrewcider> 	can someone please help me get this en8800gt card working in linux please
[15:49] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: you could try with the binary drivers from nvidia site
[15:49] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[15:49] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:50] <nyn85> its weird though; I got this theme from the xfce-look page, so why would there be a theme thats no use under xfce?
[15:50] <homebrewcider> doesn't seem to want to work
[15:50] <nyn85> I mean the picture sure is pretty XD
[15:50] <homebrewcider> did the binary thing
[15:50] <TheSheep> nyn85: well, part of it works, I guess he uploaded it to both xfce-look and gnome-look
[15:51] <nyn85> yeah but it does look quite stupid right now ^^
[15:51] <nyn85> but anyway, no I know where everything goes
[15:52] <nyn85> one last thing though: if there were an archive that would change the theme for the windows as well, what would it be named?
[15:52] <nyn85> (just to make sure the next theme I download contains everything I need)
[15:53] <TheSheep> nyn85: I guess -xfwm4
[15:53] <TheSheep> nyn85: it would contain the 'themerc' file
[15:53] <TheSheep> and some pictures
[15:54] <nyn85> well then many thanks again, you've been extremely helpful
[15:55] <homebrewcider> it's late here, I'll work on this tomorow...................................
[16:20] <floating> this step dont work on my xubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Japanese_Input_and_Fonts_in_Ubuntu_7.10_using_SCIM#head-0401ff0f4ac4c61dc1e3971fc2a1d333e35ed708
[16:21] <floating> there is no such file as 74custom-scim_startup
[18:35] <soren> Does seahorse-agent not ask you guys for ssh passphrases either or is it just me?
[18:38] <TheSheep> soren: it might ask for one when it needs to get the password for your wifi, for example
[20:14] <grothesk> Hi
[20:15] <grothesk> Will an upgrade from Dapper to Hardy be possible?
[20:15] <grothesk> And do I use update-manager in order to do so?
[20:15] <The_kernel> grothesk: without format and reinstall, not likely.
[20:15] <The_kernel> I couldn't get to feisty from dapper
[20:15] <grothesk> Oh.
[20:16] <grothesk> Are the differences bigger in xubuntu than in ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:16] <grothesk> Becaus these two support jumping from Dapper to Hardy
[20:20] <TheSheep> jumping from dapper to hardy will be made possible -- they are both lts versions
[20:22] <jarnos> Hello. Is there some dropped support of old hardware in Hardy?
[20:31] <grothesk> Hm.... Is TheSheep right or is The-Kernel right? :-)
[20:31] <initwit> instead of synaptic'ing myself into an early grave, wouldn't it be easier for me to just download a cp of gubuntu, kubuntu and any other ubuntu?
[20:36] <The_kernel> grothesk: TheSheep is right
[20:38] <initwit> it started so simply, i just wanted to compile mc, and one thing led to another and synaptic advised that i install/upgrade 129 megs of stuff.
[20:40] <TheSheep> initwit: why didn't you install mc from the repo?
[20:40] <initwit> i did, at first. but i like to turn off the mouse in gpm
[20:41] <initwit> so i needed to run ./configure
[20:44] <initwit> but i do want to install a bunch of gnome stuff, so maybe i can just dl gubuntu
[20:45] <initwit> TheSheep: this is my slackware fs. when i am 'freerise' i am running xubuntu
[20:49] <grothesk> Will an upgrade from dapper to hardy be done by the official updatetool? (If there is any in xubuntu)
[20:52] <TheSheep> grothesk: most likely
[21:46] <hhlp> hi., how i can see my networks machines in xubuntu ?
[21:59] <TheSheep> hhlp: what kind of network?
[22:00] <hhlp> TheSheep, i want to see al my machine in the network one machine with xubuntu and another with winxp i install samba and nfs but i cant find how to see the xp machine in ubuntu
[22:02] <TheSheep> hhlp: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-browsing-samba-shares-with.html
[22:04] <hhlp> thx TheSheep
[22:25] <progek> Hi room, I just installed xubuntu and am trying to connect to my router (wireless card). I can connect to non secured networks fine, but not mine (WPA). I'm using Wicd to try and connect, but it hangs on "obtaining ip address"
[22:26] <progek> My other computer can connect fine through wireless. I would appreciate any help.
[22:28] <TheSheep> !wifi
[22:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:43] <amine> printf("Hello world!");
[22:43] <amine> :D
[22:44] <amine> r u alive people?
[22:44] <TheSheep> amine: no
[22:44] <amine> lol a zombie is talking to me :D
[22:44] <TheSheep> amine: you probably want to go to #c or something :)
[22:44] <amine> sorry it was a bad joke
[22:44] <amine> lol
[22:45] <amine> so i've got a small stupid question
[22:45] <amine> hope u can help
[22:45] <BunnyRevolution> i have a small stupid answer
[22:45] <amine> really?
[22:45] <TheSheep> amine: yes, I already answered
[22:45] <nicolas> hey im on ppc and im not able to change resolution
[22:46] <amine> i don't have system sounds in my xubuntu
[22:46] <nicolas> :(
[22:46] <TheSheep> amine: xubuntu doesn't do system sounds
[22:46] <BunnyRevolution> amine: hardy beta?
[22:46] <amine> but :s
[22:46] <amine> i've just some bips
[22:46] <amine> nn gutsy gibbon
[22:52] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[23:03] <amine> so...
[23:53] <dizee> hello just wondering if totem is going to be installed by default in xubuntu hardy