[00:00] <ascarter> Actually, I was wrong. It says update-manager has broken dep on update-manager-core
[00:00] <x1250> its kind of odd at first, you feel menus are too small. You get used to it in a couple of days, and after that you'll never go back :P
[00:00] <Some_Person> i'll wait until im finished upgrading to hardy-rc
[00:01] <ascarter> It wants to upgrade a pretty long list (libgnome* libgtk2* nautilus)
[00:01] <x1250> ascarter: what does $ apt-cache policy update-manager-core    returns as installed?
[00:01] <ascarter> But I've been updating daily so this is since last night
[00:01] <x1250> if it is installed...
[00:01] <ascarter> update-manager-core:
[00:01] <ascarter>   Installed: 1:0.87.18
[00:01] <ascarter>   Candidate: 1:0.87.21
[00:01] <ascarter>   Version table:
[00:01] <ascarter>      1:0.87.21 0
[00:01] <ascarter>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[00:02] <ascarter>  *** 1:0.87.18 0
[00:02] <ascarter>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[00:02] <x1250> :o use pastebin man...
[00:02] <x1250> ok, do a # aptitude install update-manager-core
[00:03] <x1250> ascarter: see if everything goes ok with that
[00:03] <ascarter> x1250: aptitude wants to remove apport-gtk, ubuntu-desktop, update-manager, update-notifier
[00:04] <bbernie> hey i am having trouble finding out which package has libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[00:04] <x1250> I would remove them and install them later, but be carefull if any other packages are going to be uninstalled...
[00:04] <ascarter> x1250: OK
[00:04] <bbernie> sudo apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 doesnt seem to work, the package is missing
[00:05] <x1250> bbernie: the package name seems very odd to me
[00:06] <x1250> try splitting the name, they look like two packages
[00:06] <bbernie> well that was the command i used to install it on 7.10
[00:06] <bbernie> i am thinking there is a new version
[00:07] <bbernie> i just dont know what package contains libcstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[00:07] <topyli> bbernie: there is no such package on hardy
[00:07] <x1250> bbernie: install apt-file
[00:07] <x1250> # apt-file update
[00:07] <x1250> # apt-file search some_file
[00:07] <x1250> it should tell you what package has that lib
[00:08] <Johninky> ok what is UI and VI
[00:08] <topyli> we do have a web interface for searching this stuff
[00:08] <x1250> anyway, the name is ODD, it does not conform to debian's policy
[00:08] <bts3685> Johninky: UI is user-interface. VI is the best editor EVER
[00:08] <topyli> heh
[00:09] <bts3685> topyli: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[00:09] <Johninky> ok what does it edit
[00:09] <x1250> Johninky: its a console based text editor
[00:10] <filosofixi1> anyone had any trouble mounting with cifs ? My whole system froze while browsing a shared folde with nautilus...
[00:10] <x1250> its like or you love it or hate it
[00:10] <filosofixi1> sorry.. had no problem mounting, just browsing..
[00:11] <topyli> it's not like we have a choice. vi is everywhere, so everyone should learn the basics
[00:11] <Johninky> sorry I was reading this page and came across something i did know thank you X1250
[00:11] <topyli> open file, edit file, save and close
[00:12] <bts3685> vi foo.txt, I; make changes, :(w)q
[00:12] <bts3685> done!
[00:12] <topyli> yeah
[00:13] <bbernie> sudo apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 returns nothing
[00:14] <Johninky> ahh I have found out that Vi is something that I need to stay out of for a while!!!!
[00:15] <bts3685> Johninky: nah, jump right in!
[00:15] <bts3685> run this command: vimtutor
[00:15] <bts3685> i'm sure you can find a tutorial for emacs, but... i don't *get* emacs
[00:15] <Johninky> I also found out I dont need a virus scanner either
[00:16] <x1250> funny advertising on gnome-look.org: http://empresaenlinea.cl/windows-look.png
[00:16] <bts3685> Johninky: no, you don't! it might be a good idea to have one though, to scan files you might be sending to some friends of yours that are using windows
[00:17] <Johninky> ok where can I get one for unbuntu 8.04 that would be easy to install
[00:18] <bts3685> Johninky: aptitude install clamav
[00:18] <bts3685> and you
[00:18] <bts3685> 'll probably want a frontend too
[00:18] <Johninky> does linux programs have to be for each version of linux or can they work in all
[00:19] <bts3685> clamtk, for instance, is a gui for clamav
[00:19] <bts3685> Johninky: sometimes they're version-specific, but if they are then they're usually ported over
[00:20] <x1250> Johninky: it depends on the program's dependencies.
[00:21] <Johninky> I hate to run but, dont worry I swear I will be back  i want to know more
[00:24] <fengshui> Is Steven Langasek around?
[00:26] <topyli> fengshui: heh
[00:26] <mvo> ascarter: its probably going away soon, looks like the mirror is not updated (update-manager and update-manager-core are always uploaded in sync, but sometimes do not enter the mirrors in sync)
[00:26] <topyli> why don't you email him
[00:26] <fengshui> I'm going to
[00:26] <fengshui> Just checking here before I do
[00:26] <ascarter> mvo: OK
[00:27] <soto> How do I automount a newly created partition on a removable device?
[00:27] <ascarter> mvo: That makes sense - digging in, the problem is that update-manager-core has been updated to 1:0.87.21 but update-manager wants 1:0.87.18
[00:27] <soto> Also how do I probe the filesystem type?
[00:28] <ascarter> mvo: I have two machines. One I had already upgraded before I realized what it wanted to do. The second has been upgraded yet.
[00:29] <peking> Stevem Langasek is awesome.
[00:29] <bbernie> when i run apt-file update i get errors Can't get http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/Contents-i386.gz
[00:30] <mvo> ascarter: *nod* shouldn't be a big deal, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should give it all back to you once the package is avialable)
[00:30] <x1250> ascarter: did you run the command I told you?
[00:30] <Sharpie> when i activate my restricted gfx driver i can't log in (shows this safe-mode wrong-driver screen), then after a reset it tries to activate GDM but loads forever (so i move back to a terminal, kill gdm and then startx). I have a GeForce 8600GT. any suggestions?
[00:30] <ascarter> x1250: The aptitude command?
[00:31] <bbernie> i am guessing thats why apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 it returns nothing
[00:31] <x1250> yep, after dad you should try with update-manager
[00:32] <x1250> dad/that
[00:32] <linkinxp> how i update drivers????
[00:32] <peking> x1250: I confuse that all the times. the keys are like right next to each other
[00:32] <ascarter> x1250: It seems to hit the same version clash issue
[00:33] <ascarter> x1250: I think I'm ok right now as long as I don't reboot :)
[00:33] <ascarter> I'll keep checking for it to all sync up from the mirrors
[00:33] <x1250> well, you should install update-manager-core and update-manager
[00:33] <x1250> to the last versions, both of them
[00:34] <x1250> and if apt wants to remove a metapackage, go for it, nothing wrong will happen
[00:34] <x1250> just be carefull
[00:34] <ascarter> x1250: Thanks.
[00:36] <x1250> ascarter: and if it doesn't work, purge them both, mercilessly
[00:36] <bbernie> any ideas on on what i should do with this libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 problems
[00:36] <x1250> then install update-manager
[00:36] <x1250> bbernie: nothing, it doesn't exist
[00:37] <bbernie> um
[00:37] <bbernie> well i used it in 7.10
[00:37] <Johninky> ok I am sorry I am back
[00:37] <bbernie> can i grab it from the 7.10 repo
[00:38] <linkinxp> how i update drivers????
[00:38] <bbernie> it used to be in the libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package
[00:38] <x1250> bbernie: yes, you can
[00:38] <x1250> but that doesn't mean it will work
[00:39] <bbernie> hah
[00:39] <x1250> you'll have to try
[00:39] <ascarter> x1250: Bad news - update-manager-core only has 1:0.87.21 available. Not sure how I can force it to go back to 1:0.87.18
[00:39] <bbernie> wish me luck
[00:39] <Johninky> ok now what  anti virus would be coold again
[00:39] <Johninky> good^^
[00:39] <x1250> ascarter: and update-manager? what version available?
[00:40] <x1250> oh, 18
[00:40] <filosofixi1> I guess this is not a goog sign : [  571.537234] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
[00:40] <filosofixi1> [  571.537240] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 0
[00:40] <mvo> x1250: it looks like update-manger is not build yet in LP (the .21 version)
[00:40] <ascarter> x1250: Yeah, just 18
[00:40] <edoceo> Anyone notices FireBug not working properly in FF3beta5?
[00:40] <mvo> (on i386)
[00:41] <crimsun> edoceo: it has been mentioned numerous times
[00:41] <edoceo> WOn't open it's little display area at the foot of the window :(
[00:41] <x1250> ascarter: just purge them both, you'll have to wait till the package is available
[00:41] <x1250> I see in update-manager this in depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18)
[00:41] <DanaG> crimsun: would you happen to know how to get a specific USB audio device to take a specific index?
[00:41] <telexicon> so flashplayer is unusable
[00:41] <telexicon> i was looking at the launchpad bug for it
[00:42] <telexicon> is there a bug report on adobe's bugtracker page?
[00:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[00:42] <x1250> just wait till .21 is available and install them both, or ubuntu-desktop
[00:42] <DanaG> Look for the nsplugginwrapper package.
[00:42] <telexicon> yes i saw that
[00:42] <DanaG> er, plugin.
[00:42] <DanaG> It works for me.
[00:42] <telexicon> yes i understand
[00:42] <telexicon> i am capable of setting that up
[00:42] <x1250> but purge them for now (I would purge them and upgrade, and fix it later)
[00:42] <DanaG> I'm glad to finally have a non-crashy flashy.
[00:42] <telexicon> but i know a lot of people aren't
[00:43] <DanaG> flashy...crashy...flashy...(loop)
[00:43] <telexicon> is it in adobe's bugtracker? will nspluginwrapper be setup by default?
[00:43] <crimsun> flash will be nspluginwrappered for intrepid, anyhow.
[00:44] <crimsun> regardless, I'm seriously pushing the pulseaudio side of the fix, which is a bit suboptimal IMNSHO, but it's the best we can do for hardy.
[00:45] <x1250> DanaG: that fix is kind of odd, it makes flash dont use pulseaudio, which is, uhm... no fix IMO. You can make flash _use_ pulseaudio and dont have firefox crash if you do this:
[00:45] <x1250> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888/comments/39
[00:45] <hmuller> is /etc/rc.local just a stub and non-functional? I've added something to it and it doesn't appear to be running
[00:46] <DanaG> Hmm, no audio, or crashy audio?
[00:46] <crimsun> um, no.
[00:46] <crimsun> x1250: that's incorrect
[00:46] <DanaG> That's "stuck between a rock and a hard place," if I'm using the expression correctly.
[00:46] <crimsun> libflashsupport /exacerbates/ the problem
[00:47] <DanaG> Does flash now work with PA without libflashsupport?
[00:47] <crimsun> no, it doesn't
[00:47] <crimsun> however, we have an incomplete fix ATM
[00:47] <x1250> crimsun: I'm using that fix, and it works
[00:47] <telexicon> yeah
[00:47] <DanaG> hence the "no or crashy"
[00:47] <crimsun> x1250: it "works"
[00:47] <telexicon> not having libflashsupport makes the sound not work on about half of my computers
[00:47] <Sharpie> well, GDM doesn't start (just shows the wait cursor).
[00:47] <crimsun> I can make it crash on amd64, and that definitely isn't "works"
[00:47] <guerby> hi, any idea on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/219404
[00:48] <telexicon> wheres the link to the bug in adobe's bug tracker?
[00:48] <x1250> crimsun: Ok, but it works for me.
[00:48] <darthanubis> telexicon, why don't you have flash support?
[00:48] <crimsun> the /correct/ fix is to merge the PulseAudio config side
[00:48] <darthanubis> libflashsupport?
[00:48] <telexicon> darthanubis, because it makes firefox crash very often
[00:48] <darthanubis> ah
[00:48] <guerby> hmm update-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18) but 1:0.87.21 is to be installed
[00:48] <darthanubis> I had to just fix mine
[00:48] <telexicon> and apparently it does for most people
[00:49] <telexicon> ok, yes i saw that
[00:49] <darthanubis> I noticed the updates wanted to remove it
[00:49] <telexicon> and i did it
[00:49] <telexicon> but its not a solution
[00:49] <darthanubis> but then I had no sound
[00:49] <telexicon> but still
[00:49] <DanaG> "pulseaudio config side" -- the libpcm-plugins-pulse?
[00:49] <telexicon> is there an entry for this in adobe's bug tracker? have they been notified?
[00:49] <mvo> guerby: yes, its a problem that will go away once the updated package is build
[00:49] <mvo> guerby: the buildd for i386 seem to lack behind
[00:49] <Sharpie> any idea why GDM doesn't start? (and why it gives me an error when i try to install my nvidia drivers)
[00:49] <DanaG> Aah, I figured out the usb thing.
[00:49] <hmuller> Asking a different way, Is there an Ubuntu alternative to /etc/rc.local?
[00:49] <crimsun> DanaG: no, http://pastebin.com/m69f447bb
[00:49] <darthanubis> I deal with a buggy FF3b5 until the updated package
[00:50] <darthanubis> but I'm not going without sound in flash til then, thats nuts
[00:50] <DanaG> Disabling HAL?
[00:50] <DanaG> the module, I mean.
[00:50] <telexicon> crimsun, but this is hardy, this is LTS, its going to be supported for a long time, how can it ship with a broken flashplayer?
[00:50] <crimsun> DanaG: disabling the hal portion of PulseAudio, yes.
[00:50] <DanaG> That seems just as bad as anything else.
[00:50] <darthanubis> this is an updated libflashsupport file for hardy 64 though
[00:50] <crimsun> DanaG: no, it's actually the /best/ that can be done.
[00:51] <darthanubis> its on the ubuntu pulse wiki
[00:51] <mdlueck> I am having trouble playing videos on a Samba server with Hardy / Totem. If I fullscreen the video, Totem goes away. Not so when I copy the movie to the Hardy workstation. 7.04 does not have the trouble. Opened bug reports... nadda, so turning to IRC.
[00:51] <DanaG> Aah.  I wonder how common the HAL usage case is.
[00:51] <darthanubis> I'm just not on my 64bit box to seee how well it works
[00:51] <x1250> DanaG: nope, libflashsupport must be installed for pulseaudio
[00:51] <crimsun> DanaG: consider:  1) users who have manually configured ALSA for non-GSt apps will currently encounter breakage when dist-upgrading to hardy
[00:51] <DanaG> Most people probably use just integrated (disabled) + addin non-hotplug.
[00:52] <crimsun> DanaG: 2) this additional PA conffile fix allows people to continue to use their existing configs and have them work post-dist-upgrade
[00:52] <x1250> but you can get pulseaudio and not crash firefox. Anyway flash will still crash, only without firefox
[00:52] <telexicon> how about notifying adobe of the issue?
[00:52] <telexicon> i dont see an entry in their bug tracker
[00:52] <DanaG> It now imports the "set-default-card" info?
[00:52] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, it honours 'default'
[00:52] <DanaG> That's good enough to match existing behavior, if so.
[00:52] <crimsun> precisely!
[00:52] <crimsun> it doesn't break /any/ semantics
[00:53] <telexicon> somebody filed a bug report with adobe.. right?
[00:53] <DanaG> It removes a new feature, but it doesn't remove an _existing_ feature.  That logic does work for me.
[00:53]  * telexicon sighs
[00:53] <darthanubis> telexicon, adobe could care less
[00:53] <telexicon> how do you know?
[00:53] <telexicon> how do they know?
[00:53] <crimsun> telexicon: Adobe is under no obligation to support a community-developed feature.
[00:53] <telexicon> theres no bug report for it on adobe's site
[00:54] <darthanubis> texwe have to fix it, we know about it, so you can chill
[00:54] <x1250> yeah, sounds ok, but that for when? ibex?
[00:54] <crimsun> they have their own requirements; they are not obligated to honour ours
[00:54] <telexicon> linux is entirely community-developed, they decided to support linux.. and it doesn't work
[00:54] <DanaG> They should not abuse ALSA -- if they respected default, the wrapper would work.
[00:54] <bbernie> Has anyone had to work with the juniper networks vpn client in 8.04 ?
[00:54] <telexicon> they have a person working on flash, perhaps they should know about the issue
[00:54] <darthanubis> telexicon, breathe
[00:54] <DanaG> And not open gobs and gobs of streams.
[00:54] <hmuller> telexicon: ANYone can file a bug report.  Even you  ; )
[00:54] <telexicon> there are other linux bugs on adobe's bug tracker and they have people assigned to it
[00:54] <crimsun> also, I agree that we /should/ use nspluginwrapper for Flash on hardy, but seriously, we're less than one week from final release.
[00:54] <DanaG> ﻿My case is a bit exceptional: onboard + {audigy2 OR usb}
[00:55] <telexicon> darthanubis, how is it fair to say adobe doesnt care at all when nobody filed a bug report with them?
[00:55] <topyli> telexicon: linux is not "entirely community developed". sorry, but that's a myth
[00:55] <DanaG> If I move an app to one of the latter two, then shut down, then boot up without the device and start the app -- next time I insert the card, it does not move it back.
[00:55] <telexicon> granted, i dont really like adobe.. but what if they dont even know about it
[00:55] <guerby> mvo, thx
[00:55] <telexicon> topyli, is it?
[00:55] <topyli> it is
[00:55] <telexicon> topyli, red hat is not part of the community?
[00:56] <DanaG> Make sure the diff on that config file explains it enough to try to prevent duplicate bug reports.
[00:56] <telexicon> IBM is not part of the community?
[00:56] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, the error checking in module-gconf is insufficient
[00:56] <telexicon> their employees rather
[00:56] <x1250> crimsun: what do you think then will be the final fix for hardy?
[00:56] <darthanubis> telexicon, its been explained to you in detail already. If you feel that strong about barking up the wrong tree, feel free to do it yourself. Until it gets fixed, use the current libflashsupport ,or go have a coke and smile.
[00:56] <DanaG> Like, "this module causes severe issues with flash; disabling it ensures we at least maintain existing ALSA behavior with 'default'"
[00:56] <topyli> telexicon: okay, if you include the entire society in the linux community, you're correct
[00:56] <telexicon> darthanubis, yea, no it hasnt... but its cool
[00:56] <x1250> oh, so that is, well, yep, it works
[00:57] <topyli> telexicon: of course, it doesn't mean anything then
[00:57] <crimsun> x1250: I have no idea.  I think the release managers will not approve my patch, but I stepped down as audio lead over a year ago, and they don't seem inclined to heed my justifications.
[00:57] <darthanubis> telexicon, why haven't YOU filed the bug?
[00:57] <topyli> telexicon: what you're saying is "linux is developed" and that's all
[00:57] <telexicon> topyli, yeah.. but it would be a myth to say its entirely hobbyist developed
[00:57] <topyli> it's developer developed :)
[00:58] <darthanubis> we need the bot back bad:(
[00:58] <DanaG> Some of the HP printer stuff is done by HP themselves, right?
[00:58] <telexicon> topyli, well, i suppose it implies lots of people from different backgrounds are involved, instead of just a lot of people from one company
[00:58] <x1250> crimsun: if not, you could make a fixed package available somewhere
[00:58] <arkaniad> ok, how do i update from dapper to the RC?
[00:58] <telexicon> darthanubis, yeah, i know how to fix the issue myself, im not clueless.. im annoyed on behalf of the people who dont know how to do that
[00:58] <telexicon> not to mention it makes linux look bad
[00:58] <topyli> telexicon: right
[00:58] <telexicon> ive already spent a lot of time advocating linux, and have gotten people trying it and using it
[00:59] <darthanubis> does not make linux look like anything
[00:59] <arkaniad> ok, how do i update from dapper to the RC?
[00:59] <darthanubis> linux does not develop flash
[00:59] <telexicon> yeah be pedantic, have a nice day
[00:59] <telexicon> yes i understand that
[00:59] <telexicon> but other people dont see that
[00:59] <x1250> arkaniad: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change dapper to hardy, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade, and oh, don't forget to pray :P
[00:59] <telexicon> they see the end result, they tried linux.. flash doesnt work
[00:59] <topyli> heh linux doesn't even know about flash
[00:59] <arkaniad> lol?
[00:59] <arkaniad> is that bad?
[00:59] <darthanubis> if adobe keeps breaking linux support, how is that linux fault?
[00:59] <arkaniad> does it work?
[01:00] <telexicon> its not
[01:00] <arkaniad> safely?
[01:00] <telexicon> but other people dont see that
[01:00] <x1250> arkaniad: naah, it could go wrong, it could go ok, just a joke
[01:00] <x1250> but the joke could come true...
[01:00] <DanaG> I generally try to not get too annoyed at breakage or disabled stuff, as long as there's a good reason behind it.
[01:00] <telexicon> ive even explained how its not linux's fault, they understand.. but dont care.. they just want to watch their videos
[01:00] <x1250> you'll never know till you try
[01:00] <topyli> arkaniad: i know people who have done it
[01:00] <x1250> :)
[01:01] <arkaniad> well, i dont want to re-install my whole sys, pluss i have KDE and KDM on top of regular Ubuntu....
[01:01] <DanaG> Now, random unexplained breakage (as in Windows corrupting the permissions on the whole volume, or Explorer randomly ceasing to exist) -- that pisses me off.
[01:01] <arkaniad> and rare drivers
[01:01] <topyli> arkaniad: they have tested the upgrade, that is. installed a clean dapper install and upgraded
[01:01] <DanaG> Well-explained things seem reasonable to me.
[01:01] <darthanubis> telexicon, we care, but we also realize people can't crap wonders and pop thunder
[01:01] <arkaniad> ugh, is there a safe and easy way?
[01:01] <DanaG> Does disabling the HAL module completely fix flash?
[01:01] <x1250> arkaniad: that was it
[01:02] <topyli> arkaniad: yes, and it's explained on the ubuntu web pages
[01:02] <arkaniad> lol....
[01:02] <topyli> the wiki at this point i guess
[01:02] <arkaniad> so do i have to un-install KDE and KDM?
[01:02] <DanaG> If so, we can make a common FAQ / howto / factoid: have people set up nspluginwrapper, and re-enable that module, as one process.
[01:02] <telexicon> darthanubis, believe me, i understand.. im just pointing out the practical issues
[01:02] <x1250> arkaniad: why uninstall them?
[01:02] <DanaG> It'd just be good to have an officially packaged nspluginwrapper even if it's not included by default.
[01:02] <arkaniad> well i want them updated too
[01:03] <darthanubis> telexicon, I feel your frsutration, not trying to belittle it at all.
[01:03] <telexicon> DanaG, yes it definitely would
[01:03] <arkaniad> and will my drivers/settings be preserved?
[01:03] <x1250> you can update them...
[01:03] <arkaniad> k so i have to upgrade seperately?
[01:03] <topyli> arkaniad: all your proprietary drivers will break and you have to reinstall them
[01:04] <arkaniad> its not proprietary, its just only on the dapper CD
[01:04] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me: any factoids telling about installing ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop should suggest the use of aptitude, for the sake of easier removal.
[01:04] <arkaniad> yes
[01:04] <topyli> arkaniad: interesting. what driver is this?
[01:04] <x1250> if you want more control, then uninstall all the kernel metapackages. Things like linux-image, linux-image-generic, linux-headers-generic, and the restricted drivers -generic metapackage
[01:04] <x1250> upgrate to hardy, and then manually update the kernel
[01:04] <mneptok> DanaG: not really, aptitude does not get the attention of the distro team the way apt does.
[01:04] <arkaniad> idk, but it is for my USB antennae for WiFi, and i have had rotten luck getting it on gutsy.
[01:04] <DanaG> ... or anybody else, for that matter.  People never seem to suggest using it.
[01:05] <topyli> arkaniad: since you're worried, i wouldn't advice you to upgrade just yet anyway
[01:05] <arkaniad> ok, so wait 6 days?
[01:05] <topyli> we have bugs
[01:05] <arkaniad> yeah, ill wait. thanks for your time!
[01:05] <arkaniad> bai!
[01:05] <x1250> :P
[01:05] <topyli> cheers :)
[01:06] <DanaG> I can't wait until this summer .... when I get my new laptop, I am soooooo going to get a case skin of the Heron.
[01:06] <DanaG> I just wish this wallpaper were included along with the other one:
[01:06] <nonewmsgs> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=753564&highlight=hardy+wired
[01:07] <DanaG> "color-grey-translucent.svg" -- link is just above the GDM thingy.  Note: this SVG chokes firefox for quite a while.
[01:08] <theuser1> i cant hear a sound. no audio i think since i upgraded to hardy. any help?
[01:09] <DanaG> pavumeter is silly -- there's no quick way to change device shown.
[01:15] <x1250> theuser1: does it work on the live-cd?
[01:15] <theuser1> x1250 i have only alt cd
[01:17] <Luckrider_> is there a simple app that lets me see what the internal temperature of my Laptop is?
[01:17] <DanaG> sensors-applet
[01:17] <DanaG> It's a panel applet.
[01:18] <Luckrider_> thanks
[01:19] <theuser1> x1250 i have only alt cd
[01:21] <x1250> theuser1: system -> prefs -> sound, does any sound server works? Pick them from the dropdown menus and test them
[01:21] <bythesea> luckrider_ what type of laptop?
[01:23] <Luckrider> bytheasea T42p (IBM)
[01:23] <Luckrider> 2ghz, 2 gig Ram, Radeon Firegl graphics card
[01:23] <theuser1> k
[01:24] <Luckrider> *bythesea
[01:24] <filthpig> hiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home 
[01:24] <aguitel_> anyone have unstable wireless conexion?
[01:25] <nonewmsgs> filthpig: what you can do is adjust the partition sizes and even if you just make a few gb extra you can mount it as /tmp
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I was thinking thee was an IBM laptop specific forum on the ubuntu forums.
[01:26] <Dr_willis> You coould link /tmp to /home/tmp if /home is onits own partition also
[01:26] <Luckrider> there are a lot of people that use IBm computers
[01:26] <filthpig> yeah, but that takes an ridiculous amount of time -and- there's the risk of corrupting system files
[01:27] <filthpig> :s
[01:28] <x1250> Dr_willis: there is a DELL support forum, but I don't recall an IBM one...
[01:30] <bythesea> luckrider_ I use GKrellM along with I8fanGUI to control my fans on my dell laptop.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> x1250,  i  may be thinkin gof the laptop forum. But i thought they had a THinkpad subforum also
[01:31] <Luckrider> you controll the fans, i just want to know what the temp is
[01:31] <Luckrider> but...
[01:31] <AtomicSpark> my evolution-data-server-2.22 is running at 50% cpu for awhile now and is "sleeping" how is it sleeping and using up that much cpu?
[01:31] <Luckrider> I will try that
[01:31] <crimsun> DanaG: / x1250: I've explained this at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888/comments/75
[01:31] <crimsun> (this patch*)
[01:32] <AtomicSpark> oh and i also have a sh process that is zombied but i cannot kill or stop it. -_-
[01:32] <Luckrider> can anyone get X Sensors to come up?
[01:32] <DanaG> One question:
[01:33] <DanaG> Is Pulse now smart enough to not go pulse->alsa->pulse->alsa->(crash) if you asoundconf set-pulseaudio?
[01:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it doesn't need to be.
[01:33] <AtomicSpark> haha. that would bring lols DanaG
[01:33] <DanaG> The other apps will go to the device anyway.
[01:34] <bythesea> these programs will tell you the temperature and let you control the fans also
[01:34] <Luckrider> I typed the names into add/remove, and they didn't show
[01:34] <Luckrider> let me try
[01:34] <Luckrider> "sudo apt-get install (Insert name here)
[01:36] <Luckrider> nope, couldn't find I8fanGUI
[01:36] <Luckrider> or the other one
[01:36] <AtomicSpark> do a package search http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:36] <Luckrider> bythesea
[01:37] <Luckrider> I guess I clould
[01:37] <Luckrider> nope
[01:37] <Luckrider> I did cntrl f
[01:37] <bythesea> hmm, not at my laptop. did you try grellm?
[01:37] <Luckrider> typed I8, and stopped there
[01:37] <Luckrider> yess
[01:37] <Luckrider> couldn't find that either
[01:38] <bythesea> I think I installed it with synaptic
[01:38] <crimsun> ok, time to make audio work on this macbook pro
[01:38] <Luckrider> I tried X Sensors, and that did nothing
[01:39] <Luckrider> brb
[01:40] <bythesea> Luckrider it is listed in synaptic
[01:42] <bythesea> luckrider  GKrellM2 is a for dell machines
[01:44] <Luckrider> wait Bythesea, Is it what is listed in synaptic?
[01:46] <bythesea> both programs are listed. I have it up on the screen right now
[01:46] <Luckrider> ok
[01:46] <Luckrider> but you said GKrellM2 is for dell?
[01:47] <bythesea> no i8k is
[01:48] <Luckrider> oh, so I should be able to get GKrellM@
[01:48] <Luckrider> ok
[01:48] <Luckrider> let me check
[01:48] <Luckrider> I typed in GKrellM2, and it said no matching
[01:49] <Luckrider> what verion of Ubuntu do you have?
[01:49] <bythesea> hardy
[01:49] <Luckrider> bythesea?
[01:49] <Luckrider> oh
[01:49] <Luckrider> ok
[01:49] <bythesea> that is what I am looking at right now
[01:50] <Luckrider> I thought that the support might have been pulled
[01:50] <Luckrider> hmm
[01:50] <Luckrider> let me send you a screen shot ok?
[01:50] <Dr_willis> !find GKrellM
[01:50] <Luckrider> !GKrellM
[01:50] <bythesea> just type in gkellm
[01:51] <Luckrider> ok
[01:51] <darthanubis> bot is dead
[01:51] <Luckrider> oh
[01:51] <Luckrider> i guess so
[01:51] <Luckrider> ubotu, nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo :C
[01:51] <len> Anyone help with problem of cant power on in vmware?
[01:51] <bythesea> hmm I don't understand it
[01:52] <Luckrider> check out that pic
[01:53] <bythesea> LOL luckrider but I am not up on irc. so I don't know what happened to it. but it should be there if you haven't changes the source list
[01:54] <bythesea> or something like that
[01:54] <Luckrider> the list is set to show "All available Applications"
[01:55]  * Luckrider throws my computer at the air to cool it off
[01:55] <Luckrider> lol
[01:56] <Luckrider> I need to be able to monitor my temp, cus I had it shut down before for "Critical. Shuting Down. Internal Temperature 180 degrees C"
[01:57] <Luckrider> i think it meant 180 Fahrenheit, but still
[01:57] <Luckrider> that is hot
[01:59] <linkinxp> how i update drivers????
[02:00] <_derspankster> Luckrider: 82 degrees C, I've seen that on occasion with my laptop, for a second or two, before it shut itself down
[02:01] <Amaranth> hrm
[02:01] <Luckrider> that is possible
[02:01] <Luckrider> that is still fricken hot
[02:02] <Amaranth> i can't seem to get my screen resolution setup right
[02:02] <Luckrider> that is about 180 degrees f
[02:02] <Amaranth> nvidia geforce 8400 using nvidia-glx-new, some goofy TV/LCD Monitor thing
[02:02] <Luckrider> I just converted it
[02:02] <Amaranth> only gives me 640x480
[02:02] <Luckrider> _derspankster, so it is possible it was either
[02:02] <Luckrider> Amarranth
[02:03] <Luckrider> change the scrren, not the card
[02:03] <Luckrider> I mean the type
[02:03] <Amaranth> can't change the screen :P
[02:03] <Luckrider> in the drop down
[02:03] <_derspankster> I doubt it was 180C
[02:03] <Amaranth> err, what drop down?
[02:03] <Luckrider> in the gui
[02:03] <Luckrider> what gui are you uing?
[02:03] <Amaranth> vim?
[02:03] <Vorbote> ﻿len: What kind of problem do you have with vmware?
[02:03] <Luckrider> _derspanskster, I said I think it meant F not C
[02:03] <Amaranth> Do you mean displayconfig-gtk?
[02:03] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:04] <Luckrider> hold on
[02:04] <Vorbote> displayconfig-gtk is deprecated...
[02:04] <Amaranth> i know from OS X the best resolution to run at is 1152x864
[02:04] <Luckrider> ok
[02:05] <Luckrider> click the screen tab
[02:05] <Amaranth> and i tried using a Modeline to set that but it seems to be getting ignored
[02:05] <Luckrider> then click the screen you want
[02:05] <Amaranth> there is 1
[02:05] <Luckrider> then click model
[02:05] <Luckrider> and change it to a generic 1400x1500
[02:05] <Luckrider> use the setting 1400x1250
[02:05] <Luckrider> or whatever it is
[02:05] <Luckrider> 1400x1050
[02:05] <Amaranth> that doesn't give me 1152x864
[02:05] <Luckrider> that is what it is
[02:06] <Luckrider> um...
[02:06] <Luckrider> it does for me
[02:06] <Amaranth> maybe it will after i restart X
[02:06] <Amaranth> brb
[02:06] <Luckrider> try using the Flgrx graphics drivers
[02:06] <Luckrider> it is a Radeon right?
[02:06] <Amaranth> fglrx? this is an nvidia card
[02:06] <Luckrider> oh
[02:06] <Luckrider> nevermind
[02:06] <Amaranth> geforce 8400
[02:06] <Luckrider> sorry
[02:06] <Luckrider> um
[02:06] <Luckrider> well
[02:07] <rainwalker> this hardy release candidate is a huge letdown
[02:07] <Luckrider> just try a different resolution, that one is very obscure
[02:07] <Luckrider> why rainwalker?
[02:07] <Vorbote> Luckrider: hmm... What if you force 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh' and let X windows do its thing? X 1.4 is almost self-configurable.
[02:08] <rainwalker> Luckrider: everything that worked in the betas suddenly doesn't; desktop effects, the new theme, my wireless
[02:08] <Luckrider> rainwalker, have you changed anythig?
[02:08] <Luckrider> it is possible that an update broke, that means an update will fix it withing a few hours
[02:09] <Luckrider> the last time an update broek something, I had the fix in 10 minutes
[02:09] <rainwalker> Luckrider: what do you mean? I'm on the live cd
[02:09] <edju> trying to upgrade to 8.04 RC.  altho never comfortable with adept, thought I'd follow dir's at kubuntu's site.  but, adept does not have the "version upgrade" option.  did apt-get dist-upgrade, but got nada.  how to do it from the cl?
[02:09] <Luckrider> oh
[02:09] <Vorbote> rainwalker: what video chipset/card do you have? I've noticed regressions with the intel drivers.
[02:09] <Luckrider> then rainwalker
[02:09] <Luckrider> it needs to be updated
[02:09] <rainwalker> ati, and it everything works on gutsy, and past betas
[02:10] <Luckrider> like I said, it needs to be updated
[02:10] <Luckrider> I think it is possible to do updates with the liv cd, and by that I mean that is will go away when you restart
[02:10] <Luckrider> *live-cd
[02:11] <rainwalker> if so, that still doesn't make sense considering this all worked with the last beta
[02:11] <rainwalker> is there a section for hardy on the forums? I can't find it
[02:11] <Luckrider> when did you download the disk?
[02:11] <rainwalker> today
[02:11] <Vorbote> rainwalker: then it is something deeper, like the xserver. We'll need to complain at launchpad..
[02:12] <rainwalker> "skip_checks=yes compiz" didn't even work
[02:14] <crdlb> rainwalker: case-sensitive
[02:15] <rainwalker> aha!
[02:16] <rainwalker> oh, and there's the new themes right there in the theme window...wow
[02:16] <Amaranth> awesome, that gave me 1280x960 which seems to be even better
[02:16] <rainwalker> now I just have to figure out why it wouldn't connect correctly with my wireless
[02:17] <thompa> im having a usb device mounting problem again
[02:17] <Amaranth> except i can't remember who helped me :/
[02:17] <Amaranth> whoever it was, thanks
[02:17] <len> Vorbote: installed vmware workstation on dual boot ,,, when well until I tried to power on the virtual disk ... error " can't power on no peer?"
[02:18] <thompa> permissons of usb drive could not be determined, its my walkman
[02:18] <thompa> do i have to manuely go in and edit fstab all the time
[02:19] <thompa> basically, cant automount anything like in gutsy
[02:20] <Alex_Gaynor> I just installed Hardy Heron RC on a PC(no previous ubuntu on it), and when I try to log in it just goes to a black screen and back to the log in screen, I think x is crashing, but I have no idea what to do about it, the machine has an AMD GPU so I'm guessing that  might be the problem, I can get to an xterm session though, can anyone assist?
[02:20] <rainwalker> all that's left is to figure out my wireless, and why desktop effects run faster from the cd, and I'll be totally set for hardy!
[02:26] <Vorbote> len:  (apolocies on the delay) So you are booting from a partion? If that is the case, you'll need to play with udev rules to assign ownership to your uid (and probably your uid) to let vmware be able to access the partition (if the host is POSIX enough, I don't know how to do it if you are using windows or such).
[02:27] <Vorbote> len;: s/probably you uid/probably your gid/
[02:28] <ampex> anyone know how to turn on vsync in compiz?
[02:30] <len> Vorbote: I dont know the terminology ... new to this ... using virualbox .... and wont support vista.. trying vmware...  udev? posix? uid? gid?
[02:31] <thompa> walkman wont automount anymore so I can put files onto it. Anybody, Its same on a few machines
[02:32] <thompa> error unable to mount location unknown device on walkman
[02:32] <thompa> same with ipod seems
[02:33] <thompa> anybody got usb plug and play working
[02:35] <mneptok> thompa: are the devices in MSC mode?
[02:36] <mneptok> len: did you install vmware and vbox?
[02:38] <Alex_Gaynor> I have a computer I just installed the Hardy Heron RC on(no previous ubuntu on it), and when I try to log on it goes to a black screen and then back to the login screen(presumabely X is crashing), I can get into an Xterm session though, can anyone assist?
[02:39] <len> mneptok: no system crashed running kde  and gnome and I'm reinstalling over again hehe .. learn a little each time.... network not set up yet (samba)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> Alex_Gaynor,  so X with just a xterm works?
[02:39] <Dr_willis> Alex_Gaynor,  the gdm login screen works?
[02:39] <Alex_Gaynor> Dr_willis: I guess, if I go into options and change my session to be from the terminal it works fine
[02:39] <Alex_Gaynor> Dr_willis: Yeah, its the normal log in
[02:40] <Dr_willis> thats weird. sounds like gnome is crashing..
[02:40] <Dr_willis> I would say try installing some alternative window managers see if they work.
[02:40] <Alex_Gaynor> That was my thought(well except for when I thought it was X :P )
[02:40] <thompa> mneptok: whats that?
[02:40] <wastrel> hi
[02:41] <Alex_Gaynor> Dr_willis: Any idea how to get logged onto a wifi network from terminal?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> I dont mess with wireless.. so nope.
[02:41] <thompa> mneptok: it comes up as usb drive in the browser
[02:41] <Alex_Gaynor> Dr_willis: Hrm, I guess I'll have to google
[02:42] <mneptok> len: you said you wanted VMs?
[02:42] <thompa> i think the device is not recognized
[02:42]  * Dr_willis is glad he ran wires.
[02:42] <wastrel> iwconfig
[02:42] <mneptok> thompa: so the devices show up as mass storage?
[02:42] <wastrel> is it wep or wap
[02:43] <len> mneptok: understand it's better  .... can run vista...
[02:43] <thompa> mneptok: under file browser and if i double click to open . unable to mount device
[02:43] <mneptok> thompa: sounds like you borked permissions
[02:43] <mneptok> len: what's "better?"
[02:43] <thompa> mneptok: worked about 4 kernel versions ago autmounted
[02:44] <mneptok> thompa: Hardy is a beta.
[02:44] <thompa> mneptok: im running both the 386 and 64 version on  one box
[02:44] <Dr_willis> its a RC now isent it? :)
[02:45] <mneptok> you sent it where?
[02:45] <mneptok> :P
[02:45] <Alex_Gaynor> Yay, network admin worked, no cli for me
[02:45] <thompa> mneptok: well usb problem is same on notebook
[02:45] <len> mneptok: vm? xbox can't run vista?
[02:46] <thompa> everything else is faster but usb is broke
[02:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Dr_willis: What desktom manager do you think I should try, I've never used KDE or Xfce (its an ATI gpu if that matters)
[02:46] <Dr_willis> Alex_Gaynor,  depends on your needs.
[02:46] <Dr_willis> i always install 'jwm' as a failsafe window manager. Its NOT a desktop  :) just a window manager
[02:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> len: you should know by now...  NOTHING can run vista :)
[02:46] <Dr_willis> You can easially intall them all if you want.
[02:46] <thompa> mneptok: i know its beta, thats not the point
[02:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it isn't beta
[02:47] <thompa> anybody got a walkman plug it in, just curious
[02:47] <Niriven> Why am i always getting partial upgrades?
[02:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> love to, but the last actual sony walkman i owned actually played cassettes.
[02:48] <thompa> did it have shock absorber?
[02:48] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i don't know if you've heard or not, but they're extremely outdated.
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> thompa: no.
[02:48] <len> aint it the truth  ... got a legit vista sitting here
[02:48] <contrast83> I just installed Hardy and it seems my wireless card isn't recognized at all, although lsmod shows the module for it (airo) is loaded. Can someone help me out?
[02:48] <thompa> Daisuke_this is a new walkman,
[02:49] <thompa> same with ipod
[02:49] <mneptok> len: which Vista?
[02:49] <telexicon> did something happen to firefox in a recent update?
[02:49] <thompa> wont open
[02:49] <Niriven> contrast83, Check dmesg to see if its loading the firmware correctly
[02:49] <telexicon> its lagging my whole system as of today
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> epiphany's always there for you
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> light and snappy
[02:49] <mneptok> len: because VM software does not emulate the latest nVidia graphics chipset. it's usually Cirrus Logic. which utterly fails Vista's hardware reqs.
[02:49] <len> x64
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> like firefox was (in the beginning, at least)
[02:50] <thompa> ok can anyone plug in their ipod
[02:50] <contrast83> Niriven: Thanks... I haven't used dmesg before. You want me to pastebin the output of "dmesg | grep airo"?
[02:50] <Niriven> contrast83, Sure
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> is it even possible to run a 64 bit OS in a 32-bit VM?
[02:50] <Niriven> contrast83, pastebin your full dmesg
[02:50] <contrast83> !paste
[02:50] <thompa> or is all my hardware broke since the earthquake
[02:50] <contrast83> !pastebin
[02:50] <telexicon> Daisuke_Laptop, whoa whoa
[02:50] <len> mneptok: is vm better than vbox in your opinion?
[02:50] <telexicon> Daisuke_Laptop, firefox 3 sped things up considerably
[02:51] <mneptok> len: KVM
[02:51] <telexicon> something happened _today_
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> telexicon: it did, yes
[02:51] <mneptok> gribelu: buna dimineatsa :)
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> but compared to the early versions, it's still a clunky mess :(
[02:51] <telexicon> because its eating up 90% cpu and thrashing my hard drive
[02:52] <contrast83> Niriven: http://pastebin.com/m116d5e0e
[02:52] <mneptok> Daisuke_Laptop: no, it is not possible
[02:52] <Niriven> contrast83, pastebin these:
[02:52] <len> mneptok: kvm?
[02:52] <mneptok> len: correct
[02:52] <Niriven> contrast83, 'dmesg' 'ifconfig' 'iwconfig'
[02:52] <thompa> ok i will try and reinstall hal, but this would mean a reinstall would be better
[02:53] <mneptok> len: but you will not run a 64-bit OS on a 32 bit host OS
[02:53] <len> mneptok: thanks alot Where do I find/buy kvm?
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> and that is what i thought (pretty much answers a question that was floating around earlier as well, about upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit (i think you have to reinstall for that)
[02:53] <mneptok> len: it's Free software
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> len: sudo apt-get install kvm
[02:54] <mneptok> Daisuke_Laptop: and what other packages?
[02:54] <mneptok> ;)
[02:54] <len> Thanks people your a great help!!!
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> erm...  i dunno, i just use virtualbox
[02:54] <mneptok> len: sudo apt-get install kvm virt-manager libvirt-bin qemu vde2
[02:55] <mneptok> len: but you will not run a 64-bit OS on a 32 bit host OS
[02:55] <contrast83> Niriven: http://pastebin.com/d72d8dde1
[02:55] <len> mneptok: does it allow access from sumba?
[02:55] <mneptok> len: is Ubuntu running now?
[02:56] <contrast83> Niriven: Thanks for your help so far... BTW, I haven't changed my /etc/network/interfaces at all yet - it just contains these two lines: auto lo; iface lo inet loopback
[02:56] <len> mneptok: Yes it is
[02:56] <mneptok> len: egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo
[02:57] <Niriven> contrast83, Eh, im not sure what to say why it isnt creating a device there. What about ifconfig wlan0 up or ifconfig eth1 up
[02:57] <gribelu> mneptok: buna dimineata si tie :))
[02:58] <contrast83> Niriven: No such device
[02:58] <mneptok> gribelu: multsumesc
[02:59] <len> mneptok: ok  term accepts but gives me nothing
[02:59] <mneptok> len: then you cannot use KVM
[02:59] <Niriven> contrast83, Thats as far as i know in terms of wireless stuff :-/ The device didnt seem to get created, dmesg isnt reporting any wireless device, like eth0 for yor network card.
[02:59] <mneptok> len: and any VM software is going to be problematic
[03:00] <contrast83> Niriven: Could you maybe pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces so I might try to fill in the blanks in mine from it?
[03:00] <mneptok> contrast83: lspci -vvvv | grep etwor
[03:00] <len> mneptok: because i dont have fde installed?
[03:00] <mneptok> contrast83: do NOT edit /e/n/ifaces by hand
[03:00] <len> fde = kde
[03:00] <Niriven> contrast83: Im running windows, not ubuntu, and i run gentoo, but im not in that at the moment.
[03:00] <mneptok> len: because your processor does not support Vanderpool
[03:00] <contrast83> 02:07.0 Network controller: AIRONET Wireless Communications Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b
[03:01] <mneptok> contrast83: so the device is recognized, but probably has no Linux drivers.
[03:01] <len> amd 2 5000+
[03:01] <contrast83> mneptok: No, it works fine in sidux, and past versions of Ubuntu
[03:01] <mneptok> contrast83: using what driver?
[03:01] <contrast83> Worked out of the box.
[03:01] <linkinxp> how i update drivers????
[03:01] <Alex_Gaynor> Hrm, I seem to be able to run gnome applications from the cli, would that be an indicator that it isn't gnome crashing
[03:01] <mneptok> contrast83: that may be, but it still requires a driver :)
[03:02] <mneptok> Alex_Gaynor: could be GDM
[03:02] <prashant____> hello friends i have a small problem while updating with dist-update system froze and now after rebooting even after an hour nothing appears after login... please help
[03:02] <contrast83> mneptok: I understand that. I'm just saying I never bothered to find out which one because it always "just worked." ;-)
[03:02] <len> mneptok: had vbox running but couldn't from host
[03:02] <Alex_Gaynor> mneptok: Logging on using failsafe gnome as my seession worked
[03:02] <contrast83> Actually, no, it uses the airo module, which is loaded.
[03:03] <mneptok> contrast83: try to find out what driver supports that, and modprobe it manually if the module isn't loading automagically
[03:03] <Niriven> contrast rmmod airo, modprobe aero, dmesg
[03:03] <len> mneptok: had vbox running but couldn't read files from host
[03:03] <len> only the other way
[03:03] <contrast83> Niriven: Right... It's in use by other modules, gimme a minute. :-)
[03:04] <mneptok> len: you do not have svm extensions in your CPU. VMs are going to be horrible.
[03:04] <linkinxp> how it out this toolbar? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=79114&file1=79114-1.jpg&file2=79114-2.png&file3=&name=Divinorum+Green+%26+Cyan
[03:04] <linkinxp> put*
[03:04] <Niriven> contrast83, Wireless really blows in linux, because of the wireless vendors. I honestly would recommend if you can, upgrading the card to something more, well, supported. But thats me. Wireless isnt something to really play with in anything outside of windows :)
[03:04] <IamReck> Hey I am using the latest version of ubuntu Hardy Heron, I have an external monitor set up with my laptop, and a few of the pixels are off the screen, anyone have a quick fix?
[03:05] <Alex_Gaynor> mneptok: Since failsafe-gnome works what do you think the right next step would be, should I still try a different window maanger?
[03:05] <mneptok> Alex_Gaynor: move .gnome2 aside and try logging in
[03:05] <len> mneptok: your over my head.. it seemed fin to me...will it crash sys
[03:05] <contrast83> Niriven: I always hear that, but in the past year and a half I've been on Linux, I've had reasonably good luck with the wireless cards in 5 different laptops.
[03:06] <contrast83> Niriven: Plus, IBM set up the BIOS on this laptop so you have to hack it to accept any other wireless card, which I'm not quite prepared to do. :-\
[03:06] <mneptok> len: VMs are not something you play with like a new text editor.
[03:06] <mneptok> len: virtual machines are not trivial.
[03:07] <contrast83> -_~
[03:07] <mneptok> len: without vmx (Intel) or svm (AMD) processor extensions, use of any VMs will be a terrible experience.
[03:07] <Niriven> contrast83, I know. I have a broadcom card and have nothing but problems with it half the time anyway.
[03:07] <contrast83> mneptok: They work fine here on my old Pentium 4's. :-)
[03:07] <mzuverink> Anyone else having cd/dvd issues, as in the devices do not seem to have power?
[03:07]  * mneptok pats his Intel 4965 Santa Rosa
[03:08] <Alex_Gaynor> mneptok: Still crashed back to login
[03:08] <len> mneptok: i blamed kde for crash ... was it myybe vms
[03:08] <mneptok> contrast83: i'll bet you'd change your definition of "fine" after running them on Vanderpool-capable CPUs
[03:08] <IamReck> Hey I am using the latest version of ubuntu Hardy Heron, I have an external monitor set up with my laptop, and a few of the pixels are off the screen, anyone have a quick fix?  Or a link with the necessary info that I need to fix it?
[03:08] <mzuverink> IamReck, !patience
[03:09] <contrast83> mneptok: Erm... Probably not. They ran at least 80% as quickly as if they were native.
[03:09] <mneptok> IamReck: use the "auto-adjust" in the montior's menus
[03:09] <taggie> IamReck, try using the menu on the monitor, look for auto adjust
[03:09] <Niriven> contrast83, Try uhh, ifconfig wifi0 up?
[03:09] <taggie> IamReck; what mneptok said.
[03:09] <contrast83> I'm not saying CPU's with enhanced virtualization instructions wouldn't make them go even faster, just saying they're still perfectly usable without.
[03:09] <mneptok> contrast83: not universally
[03:09] <contrast83> Niriven: No such device
[03:10] <len> mneptok: come to think about it ... directories lost files when transfering
[03:10] <mneptok> contrast83: KVM, which is the supported virtualization schema in Ubuntu, *requires* vmx or svm
[03:10] <contrast83> mneptok: Well duh... I wouldn't dare try to run it on an old 800mhz :-P
[03:10] <IamReck> autoadjust did it. thanks.
[03:10] <mneptok> see above
[03:11] <contrast83> Niriven: Having some trouble figuring out which modules are using airo
[03:11] <Niriven> contrast83, Well did you check the blacklist file to make sure anything that airo uses isnt blacklisted
[03:12] <contrast83> Niriven: Ahh, good call... Been some time since I fiddled with a blacklist file. Where's that located again? :-D
[03:12] <prashant____> hello friends i have a small problem while updating with dist-update system froze and now after rebooting even after an hour nothing appears after login... please help :s
[03:12] <Niriven> contrast83: try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:12] <contrast83> prashant____: Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 from the login screen -> login -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:13] <contrast83> prashant____: And if that fails, then "sudo apt-get install -f"
[03:13] <contrast83> Niriven: thanks
[03:14] <Niriven> contrast83, that might be it, look into those blacklisted things. Ubuntu does stuff like that, since, it compiles a kernel with all modules, it has to blacklist the ones it thinks it doesnt want.
[03:14] <contrast83> Niriven: Nothing in there either
[03:14] <contrast83> Nothing of import, anyway
[03:14] <len> mneptok: is wine ok?
[03:17] <mneptok> len: what is it you want to actually do?
[03:18]  * mneptok stares at burne1 
[03:19] <burne1> what what!
[03:19] <len> mneptok: run my win apps in ubuntu and get rid of xp ...vista   but right now I can't  in about 5% of the apps
[03:20]  * burner gets ready for some bad ass lan gaming warcraft 3 :)
[03:20] <burner> len: try virtualization?  virtualbox works well if you have enough resources
[03:20] <len> plus my network  & company lap are running win
[03:20] <burner> you can even stream netflix and abc through virtualbox
[03:21] <hylinux> hi, I got one issue in ubuntu 8.04,  I can't logout from gnome,  when I click the logout button,  I can't see anything,  and keyword is die, but I can move my mouse, anyboday can help me?
[03:21] <hylinux> thanks
[03:21] <Johninky> I am mad at everyone of you all by not letting people of no info on the amount of software that is out there in this add/remove applications
[03:21] <hylinux> pls.
[03:21] <burner> hylinux: try "ctrl+alt+bksp"
[03:21] <hylinux> burner:
[03:21] <hylinux> yeah,  I can logout by these keys.
[03:22] <hylinux> but why when I click the logout button,  I can't?
[03:22] <hylinux> this is a bug?
[03:22] <Johninky> but are they all free of infestation of viruses and other stuff
[03:22] <burner> hylinux: not sure, any process that it's hanging on that you can identify?
[03:23] <hylinux> burner: I can't identify,  because I don't what's command will be run when I click the logout button
[03:24] <hylinux> burner: do you kown what's command will be run when I click the logout button?
[03:24] <hylinux> I want to check which process had been hang.
[03:24] <varaxis> is anyone else having libjli java problems in the hardy rc?
[03:28] <mneptok> len: what apps?
[03:29] <hylinux> burner: are you here still?
[03:29] <hylinux> have free time? pls.
[03:30] <contrast83> Well, I'm off. Thanks anyway for trying, Niriven, mneptok. Peace.
[03:34] <len> mneptok: peavie preamp zone programmer... amx controller.... autocad....  video converters and games hehe
[03:35] <mneptok> dual-boot
[03:35] <mneptok> VMs and WINE are not for you.
[03:36] <Johninky> Hey I have a great question, for a change,   is there a countdown timer like for the gadget bar in vista that I can put on my desktop???
[03:44] <varaxis> So has anyone here installed the RC, then either sun or openjdk java and had it work?
[03:46] <usser> varaxis, sun jdk works fine here
[03:46] <usser> varaxis, can run netbeans and all
[03:46] <mneptok> varaxis: how are you installing the JVMs?
[03:47] <varaxis> well, I think my problem is that I'm trying to do it in casper (live cd)
[03:47] <varaxis> just installing the packages - sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre or openjdk-6-jre
[03:47] <mneptok> so when you say "installed," what you mean is "not actually installed"
[03:48] <varaxis> No, I mean installed -- want to see if this happens only on the live cds.
[03:48] <usser> varaxis, its a sun-java6-jdk actually
[03:49] <varaxis> if you need to compile java, yeah
[03:49] <usser> varaxis, if u looking for jdk not jre
[03:49] <telexicon> so nobody else is running into this issue?
[03:49] <usser> telexicon, what issue?
[03:49] <telexicon> a recent issue is causing firefox3 to hog all the cpu and thrash the disk all the time now
[03:49] <telexicon> er recent update
[03:50] <usser> telexicon, oh that i gave up on firefox beta a week ago, dont know why they want to include it in the release
[03:50] <usser> telexicon, just get a decent browser like konqueror or opera
[03:50] <telexicon> it wasnt doing this yesterday
[03:50] <telexicon> yeah, thats not a solution
[03:50] <gribelu> telexicon: doesn't do that here..
[03:51] <telexicon> i guess i should nuke my profile...
[03:51] <usser> telexicon, do you have adobe's flashplugin installed, i'd blame it first
[03:51] <gribelu> try it
[03:51] <telexicon> i disabled flash and all my add-ons
[03:51] <gribelu> usser: i have it too
[03:52] <gribelu> telexicon: it just hogs the cpu for no reason? any specific websites?
[03:52] <usser> gribelu, it acts different as if it wasnt beta-tested at all
[03:52] <telexicon> its strange
[03:52] <jblack> Has anyone heard anything about the xen networking problems being fixed prior to release?
[03:52] <telexicon> it'll just be sitting on a text only page (im reading gnu docs and stuff like that)
[03:52] <varaxis> mneptok: I'm respinning ubuntu cds for my school's computer lab with java on them so they can run eclipse in someplace that isn't the single Comp Sci computer classroom that's open when there aren't classes being held there. Java on the livecd is important for me because I obviously can't install to disk.
[03:53] <telexicon> and top shows it as bouncing from 30% to 90% cpu, and the disk is constantly working
[03:53] <rpedro_> the firefox beta crashes here when I finish reading my gmail, and close the tab, every-single-time
[03:53] <telexicon> well theres a bug in flash that makes it crash all the time now
[03:53] <usser> telexicon, if u rule out flash and all other plugins i'd say file a bug report.
[03:54] <varaxis> Gutsy doesn't work because the Gutsy tigon3 module doesn't support the revision of the BCM5751 on the lab pcs. Otherwise I would rather just use it.
[03:54] <rpedro_> they downgraded flash in today's updates i think, telexicon
[03:54] <telexicon> it wasnt the version of flash that did it
[03:54] <telexicon> it was making flash work with pulseaudio
[03:55] <telexicon> well i suppose it could be a gstreamer plugin thing
[03:56] <telexicon> at least they put the home button back in beta 5.. that was just crazy trying to move that
[03:57] <virtualroadside> hey, how to downgrade a package?
[03:58] <darthanubis> telexicon, true
[03:58] <darthanubis> telexicon, your funny man
[03:58] <telexicon> darthanubis, why do you say that? :p
[03:59] <darthanubis> telexicon, :) the wayy you phrase things makes me laugh. I would say some of the same types of things.
[03:59] <darthanubis> telexicon, guess we think alike
[03:59] <telexicon> heh
[03:59] <darthanubis> virtualroadside, use synaptic
[04:02] <telexicon> i guess my profile exploded somehow
[04:07] <coz_> guys  I am compiling cairo dock onto hardy and one of the plugins wont compile because of     No package 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' found     I couldnt find that in the repos is that even aviable?
[04:09] <dfeuer> Hey...  Quick question: How do I edit my keyboard layout manually?  I'd really like to set shift-space = space
[04:11] <dfeuer> oh wait...
[04:11] <dfeuer> solved.
[04:11] <soc> hi
[04:11] <Jordan_U> coz_, A search for "gtkmozembed" came up with libxul0d
[04:11] <soc> should pulseaudio work ootb?
[04:11] <soc> because i have no sound atm
[04:12] <coz_> Jordan_U, ah ok thanks i will tyr that but I think I have that installed after searching myself :)
[04:12] <coz_> Jordan_U, yep I have that installed so apparently that is not what it is looking for :(
[04:13] <Jordan_U> coz_, What about libxul-dev ?
[04:14] <Jordan_U> coz_, You need the header files to be able to compile against it
[04:14] <coz_> Jordan_U, yes they are there tooo but let me check again
[04:15] <Alan_M> Ubuntu server edition 8.04 is now being handled by shipit too?!
[04:15] <Alan_M> suhweeeeet!
[04:15] <quittt> is Ubuntu being updated all time??
[04:15] <coz_> Jordan_U, yep that is also already installed :(
[04:15] <Alan_M> quittt: yes
[04:15] <quittt> Alan_M, is it very stable?
[04:15] <Alan_M> quittt: awesomely stable :)
[04:16] <quittt> faster than the older version
[04:16] <quittt> ?
[04:16] <Alan_M> quittt: oh yes
[04:16] <quittt> great
[04:16] <Alan_M> quittt: im a member of the ubuntu forum beginner team, i have been around since ubuntu 6.06 (dapper) its getting faster and faster every release :)
[04:19] <Alan_M> quittt: ive been around so long the admins of the forums and myself play jokes on eachother hehe.
[04:19] <quittt> hehehe
[04:20] <Alan_M> Hardy Herron is looking so beautiful right now its making me cry :P
[04:21] <Alan_M> I was in development for it when it was a mere DREAM pretty much.
[04:25] <x1250> any of you guys will migrate to ibex alpha/experimental after hardy release?
[04:25] <calc> of course
[04:25] <calc> i will the day it opens
[04:26] <x1250> me too
[04:26] <calc> i kinda have to anyway :)
[04:26] <calc> so i can upload OOo 3.0alpha to it
[04:26] <Alan_M> calc: Developer?
[04:26] <calc> Alan_M: yea
[04:26] <Alan_M> calc: Shoulda known when you said "the day it opens"
[04:26] <x1250> Oh, great calc :)
[04:27] <calc> hopefully doko won't break it too much
[04:27] <Alan_M> am i seeing things or is shipit REALLY giving away ubuntu server cd's of hardy?
[04:27] <calc> before i switched to Ubuntu I used to always run Debian sid :)
[04:28] <calc> Alan_M: its probably preorder for next week's release
[04:28] <LogicalDash> sudo is telling me that it's "unable to resolve host my-laptop". Even though I'm running it *on* the machine in question. Huh?
[04:28] <calc> Alan_M: they've always produced pressed server cd's i don't know if shipit shipped them though
[04:28] <calc> i have the full set of 7.10 discs
[04:28] <x1250> I have contributed myself packages, but for debian experimental (KDE4), then I became to busy, and then migrated to ubuntu
[04:29] <x1250> I'm not an experimented packager tho, my packages where simple ones
[04:29]  * calc used to maintain KDE for debian :)
[04:29] <x1250> :)
[04:29] <calc> probably would have to look pretty far back in the changelog now though
[04:29] <Alan_M> I keep trying to pull member status...am i just supposed to "show up" and say sup to the council or whatever?
[04:30] <calc> Alan_M: something like that, look at the wiki
[04:30] <x1250> maybe I'll contribute to ubuntu too, when the time comes. Right now I can't, damn university keeps me busy
[04:30] <calc> from jan 2002 - nov 2004 was when i maintained KDE
[04:30] <Alan_M> i mean...i was scheduled...i got my launchpad set up and stuff.
[04:30] <calc> so long time ago, heh
[04:31] <Alan_M> i gotta redo the date though, totally missed it.
[04:31] <Alan_M> because im stupid...and didnt know
[04:32]  * calc hopes to reinstall his laptop tomorrow with 8.04rc
[04:32] <calc> need to get it cleaned up and ready for intrepid
[04:32] <x1250> hey calc, there is patch on launchpad for openoffice.org, since it ignores the theme color for the link (url) type of text.
[04:32] <calc> x1250: which bug?
[04:33] <x1250> Wait
[04:33] <bcasanov> Hello, I'm kinda new to IRC.  I'm currently having a problem with no sound in my Dell 1420N.  I using Hardy with the latest updates.
[04:34] <x1250> calc
[04:34] <bcasanov> The result of lspci | grep -i audio is:  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:34] <x1250> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/219140
[04:35] <darthanubis> I miss ubotu :(
[04:35] <bcasanov> Have you guys heard of any reports of problems with audio in Hardy for the 1420N, or is this an isolated case?
[04:35] <calc> x1250: ok
[04:35] <x1250> bcasanov: uhm, does sound work on the live-cd?
[04:36] <x1250> I guess it should, DELL support is rather good
[04:36] <x1250> what sound card?
[04:36] <bcasanov> Hi x1250.  I haven't tried the live-CD.  I just upgraded from Gutsy.
[04:36] <calc> x1250: do you happen to know the original bug report number that the patch came from upstream?
[04:37] <x1250> uhm, nope, I just chatted with someone on #openoffice.org and he fixed it
[04:38] <calc> oh ok
[04:38] <bcasanov> x1250: I'm not quite sure, but is the command for finding the sound card the same as lspci | grep -i audio?
[04:39] <bcasanov> I'm sort of a Linux newbie.
[04:41] <anaoum> I just installed hardy rc, and i get the error "internal error: failed to initialise hal" :S
[04:41] <telexicon> i cant believe they already added asus xonar support in the new kernel
[04:41] <x1250> bcasanov: what results? I have a DELL Inspiron 9400, and sound works ok. Search the DELL support forum en ubuntuforums.org, but I guess its an isolated issue
[04:41] <telexicon> that thing only came out a few weeks ago right?
[04:41] <x1250> are you sure it is not a volume control issue?
[04:42] <bcasanov> x1250: the result of the lspci | grep -i audio command is Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02).
[04:42] <anaoum> anyone can help me on this problem?
[04:43] <x1250> ok, thats different than mine. bcasanov, did it work on the live-cd'
[04:43] <x1250> ?
[04:43] <bbernie> has anyone had any experience getting programs that rely on libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 to work
[04:43] <bbernie> I am using the juniper networks linux vpn client and it errors with error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:44] <bcasanov> x1250: I haven't tried the live-Cd because I directly upgraded, but I'll be sure to test the sound using the live-CD right away.
[04:44] <x1250> do you have it at hand?
[04:45] <bbernie> i ran apt-file on libstdc++libc6.2-2.so.3 but no results
[04:45] <bcasanov> x1250: I'm pretty sure its not a volume control issue because I looked in alsamixer and all the controls are set at the maximum.
[04:45] <bbernie> It works fine in gusty gibon
[04:45] <wastrel> bbernie: try symlinking it to the current version
[04:46] <Kl4m> I don't want to file a bug before some confirmation: When I click on configure on the network monitor window ( http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captureeth1vo1.png ), I always get "interface does not exist"
[04:46] <bcasanov> x1250: I don't have the live-Cd at hand now, but I'm going to download it now just to make sure.
[04:46] <bcasanov> that I can test it.
[04:46] <bbernie> wastrel: there is no current version
[04:47] <Kl4m> Therefore this button is completely useless. It doesn't work since the new network manager with policykit I think
[04:47] <x1250> bcasanov: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[04:48] <bcasanov> x1250: I checked in Synaptic and yes, I do have it installed.
[04:48] <x1250> did you try the sound servers on system->prefs->sound, from the dropdown and click test?
[04:49] <bcasanov> However, when I go to Preferences>>Sound, the choices for devices are set to Autodetect.
[04:49] <bcasanov> x1250: yes, I did test, but no sound came out with each choice I made.
[04:51] <Zoem> has anyone heard anything about firefox 3 beta 5 not rendering pages correctly?
[04:52] <keco> hi
[04:52] <keco> i havea flyvideo 2000, ubuntu 8.04 have support for this device?
[04:54] <x1250> bcasanov: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=687726&highlight=82801H or read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=747054
[04:54] <x1250> it seems you're not alone
[04:54] <bcasanov> x1250: Thank you for these links!
[04:55] <bcasanov> x1250: It's good to know I'm not the only odd case.
[04:55] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey has any one had trouble with the 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) on RC1
[04:56] <Zoem> bcasanov: is than an intel hda?
[04:56] <BHSPitLappy> I'm so excited about the mass kick in here
[04:57] <bcasanov> Zoem: Yes.
[04:57] <IdleOne> mass kick?
[04:57] <Zoem> bcasanov: I used this to get mine working on hardy https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[04:57] <IdleOne> oh the one Seveas usually does on release day
[04:58] <bcasanov> Zoem: Thank you for the link!
[04:58] <Zoem> np :)
[04:58] <Zoem> it's not too hard to follow, and it really covered everything for me
[04:59] <keco> mmm, help!
[04:59] <BHSPitLappy> keco, have you tried?
[04:59] <Zoem> today is release day?
[04:59] <BHSPitLappy> Zoem, no...
[04:59] <bcasanov> Zoem: I'm checking out the information from both you and x1250.  It seems a lot of people are having problems with the Intel sound card.
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> Zoem, thursday.
[05:00] <keco> i have a flyvideo 2000, ubuntu 8.04 have support for this device?
[05:00] <Zoem> lolk
[05:00] <paradizelost> hey all, i'm having some issues with update-manager-core/update-manager
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> keco, have you tried it yet?
[05:00] <Zoem> I don't usually know what day it is anyway
[05:00] <keco> ( my english is very bad )
[05:00] <Alan_M> today is release CANDIDATE day...the OFFICIAL release day is thursday.
[05:00] <paradizelost> update-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18) but 1:0.87.21 is to be installed.
[05:00] <wastrel> thursday
[05:00] <BHSPitLappy> Alan_M, you mean yesterday?
[05:00] <x1250> paradizelost: you'll have to wait till .21 version for update-manager gets into repos
[05:00] <wastrel> hrm
[05:00] <keco> with 7.10 this device works!
[05:01] <Alan_M> bhspitlappy, something like that :P
[05:01] <BHSPitLappy> keco, then it probably works in hardy as well
[05:01] <keco> but whitout sound!
[05:01] <paradizelost> x1250, there's no way to override the dependency?
[05:01] <x1250> hold the package
[05:01] <paradizelost> or to force the install?
[05:01] <x1250> aptitude hold the_package
[05:01] <jomofo> Does 8.04 beta + updates = 8.04RC and will 8.04RC + updates = 8.04LTS    or should I grab the ISO on each increment?
[05:01] <BHSPitLappy> keco, why not try it yourself?
[05:01] <paradizelost> so do i hold core, or just update-manager?
[05:01] <wastrel> hi
[05:01] <BHSPitLappy> jomofo, updates work
[05:02] <paradizelost> cool it worked by holding core.  thanks!
[05:02] <paradizelost> any idea when it should be safe to unhold it?
[05:02] <keco> ok, i sorry
[05:02] <x1250> paradizelost: or try # aptitude safe-upgrade, maybe it works
[05:03] <paradizelost> x1250 as long as it's not bitching, and trying to uninstall ubuntu-desktop, i'll be fine... ;)
[05:03] <Alan_M> jomofo, keep updating, once you have one...and update it constantly till release date...it becomes the stable version=the one the servers are putting out ;)
[05:03] <paradizelost> ty for your help!  cya
[05:03] <x1250> or try holding both
[05:03] <BHSPitLappy> Aww, ShipIt got stingy.
[05:03] <wastrel> hi dudes
[05:04] <Zoem> dang it :(
[05:04] <Alan_M> bhspit, shipits actually giving away the freaking SERVER cd's!
[05:04] <BHSPitLappy> First I got 3 CD's a long while back, then 10 for Gutsy, now 1 for Hardy :(
[05:04] <Alan_M> thats something ive NEVER seen them do.
[05:04] <bbernie> wastrel: linking with the version of libstdc++ that comes with hardy heron produces errors: ./ncsvc: symbol lookup error: ./ncsvc: undefined symbol: __builtin_new
[05:05] <Zoem> anyone have any problems with firefox?
[05:05] <wastrel> bbernie: incompatible library versions
[05:05] <Kl4m> Zoem: some have?
[05:05] <wastrel> bbernie: if it were me i'd try to compile a copy of the library it's looking for
[05:06] <Zoem> Kl4m: like, it not rendering CSS at all?
[05:06] <bbernie> man
[05:06] <Kl4m> did you restart it after an update?
[05:06] <Zoem> yes
[05:07] <Kl4m> In the view menu, there's an option for page style
[05:07] <paradizelost> ok, one more question, where do i find the 32bit compatibility libraries?
[05:07] <Zoem> I have no style, or basic page style
[05:08] <x1250> images?
[05:08] <Kl4m> Should be basic
[05:08] <Zoem> basic page style skips CSS, no style skips layout
[05:09] <paradizelost> anyone? Crossover Office is telling me "You might be missing the 32bit compatibility libraries
[05:11] <BHSPitLappy> Anyone heard of Openoffice.org packages conflicting?  (-core and -common)
[05:11] <BHSPitLappy> I can't install OOo because of this issue.
[05:11] <Zoem> oh, that's neat
[05:12] <Zoem> I have several hundred error messages in the firefox error console
[05:12] <Zoem> they all read "Error in parsing value for property (some css attribute). Declaration dropped"
[05:13] <x1250> Zoem: thats normal, crappy stylesheet, not FF's fault
[05:13] <Zoem> google is crappy stylesheet?
[05:13] <Zoem> google barely even has a stylsheet
[05:14] <Zoem> or how about this page? http://ubuntuforums.org/
[05:14] <Zoem> I have no css on that at all... no color whatsoever
[05:15] <bbernie> what are people supposed to do if a binary is dynamically linked to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ?  from what I can gather a bunch of vpn clients look for this file
[05:15] <x1250> Zoem: sure it is, crappy == not standards compliant. They work, but console errors are ok.
[05:15] <Kl4m> Zoem: try to reinstall firefox, or clear your profile at ~/.firefox or ~/.mozilla (make a backup!)
[05:17] <Zoem> considering I reinstalled hardy today, I don't think it's the ff
[05:17] <Zoem> might be profiles... checking now
[05:18] <Zoem> ok then
[05:18] <Zoem> profile it was
[05:18] <Zoem> thank you Kl4m
[05:21] <tuntun> Why on earth do I have do a search for file 'foo' before I get the chance to configure the search?!?!
[05:22] <tinomen> When I try to run the live CD Ubuntu 8.04 x64 my monitor just shuts off and the computer does nothing
[05:22] <wastrel> configure search what now?
[05:23] <DanaG> crimsun: I just had a random thought: would it help at all for pulseaudio to use the CARD= identifiers instead of device indices?
[05:23] <tinomen> Asus P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi, 2Gig DDR3, 8800GTX, 2 Raptor 150 Fakeraid, 1 500 Gig WD hard drive
[05:24] <tinomen> 40" Samsung 1080p and 24" samsung
[05:28] <tuntun> Main-menu > Accessories > Tracker-Search-Tool   ...Who the hell thought that It would be a good idea to only let the user configure the search after having done a first search?!?!
[05:30] <paradizelost> they want to make sure you know what a "search" does first....
[05:31] <matyy> hej, when a program freezes, and I press this "restart program" button, it starts without any settings (pidgin -> accounts gone, amarok -> music gone), when i stop it, and start it normally, everything is back again.
[05:32] <Some_Person> I'm now running Hardy RC
[05:32] <Some_Person> So far, I like it
[05:33] <paradizelost> as do i, if i can figure out how to get my sound working...
[05:33] <paradizelost> using optical out
[05:33] <Some_Person> Which is better: ALSA or PulseAudio?
[05:34] <paradizelost> works fine in windows, but doesn't seem to want to do the job.  it sees the card just fine
[05:34] <tuntun> Main-menu > Accessories > Tracker-Search-Tool   ...Oh great... And it it only searches within the home dir...without even telling you!!! This is turning into a farce...
[05:38] <Fritzel> does anyone have any idea why flash would be pausing video after playing for about 1 seconds
[05:38] <Fritzel> -s
[05:38] <misfit_246> can someone please help me with a file recovery issue?
[05:40] <paradizelost> hmm. anyone know how to set up an IPSEC vpn on hardY/
[05:40] <misfit_246> my ubuntu system is really messed up because I installed automatix and it ruined my permissions
[05:40] <paradizelost> ?
[05:41] <misfit_246> now I can't back up files into my external hard drive
[05:41] <r00723r0> Why is my flash not working?
[05:41] <misfit_246> it says i don't have permissions to read and write?
[05:41] <paradizelost> misfit -  i doubt that it touched your external hard drive
[05:42] <misfit_246> well, some of the files I created I can't have access to
[05:42] <misfit_246> but I can read the hard drive just fine in windows
[05:42] <paradizelost> misfit - you tried sudo?
[05:42] <misfit_246> and write to it to
[05:42] <misfit_246> yes
[05:42] <paradizelost> misfit - then your mount umask is probably srong
[05:42] <misfit_246> I tried sudo
[05:42] <paradizelost> i'm assuming it's FAT32
[05:42] <Some_Person> i must say, they have got to fix that compiz bug sometime
[05:42] <misfit_246> no
[05:42] <misfit_246> it's ntfs
[05:43] <paradizelost> !ntfs
[05:43] <paradizelost> misfit - ask in #ubuntu, the bot should have answers
[05:44] <misfit_246> it shouldn't have a problem reading ntfs though, right?
[05:44] <paradizelost> misfit - you will if your umask is wrong
[05:44] <misfit_246> what's the umask?
[05:45] <paradizelost> misfit, please just ask in #ubuntu, do a !ntfs
[05:45] <paradizelost> and re-follow the how-to
[05:46] <misfit_246> ok
[05:51] <DanaG> ﻿Heh, ALSA thinks my USB headset has an SPDIF output.
[05:51] <BHSPitLappy> DanaG, maybe it's a hidden feature :)
[05:52] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:53] <DanaG> Well, perhaps I could use it as coaxial SPDIF.
[05:53] <DanaG> But it's not digital.
[06:15] <HorizonXP> waaaaaaaaahhhh.... why won't hardy come out NOW?? lol. I can't wait until the 24th
[06:17] <soreau> I was curios about what further changes Hardy will receive between now and the official release date
[06:28] <_Rambaldi_> Good morning everyone
[06:33] <_Rambaldi_> is there a system monitor, for terminal
[06:33] <soreau> top
[06:37] <cvd-pr> how to create a luncher that run an sh program?
[06:37] <Zoem> isn't that just like creating a launcher for other programs?
[06:38] <cvd-pr> i run the program in the terminal like this, sh jKiwi
[06:38] <cvd-pr> i want to create a launcher in the menu
[06:39] <Jordan_U> cvd-pr, Just make the "command" a path to the script
[06:40] <cvd-pr> using this sh -c " " ?
[06:40] <chtri> ok i found a topic on ubuntuforums, and it seems a lot of ppl have an issue with ubuntu only recoqnize 3.8 gb from 4 gb ram. and i tried server edition too.
[06:40] <Zoem> chtri: are you using a 64 bit version of ubuntu?
[06:41] <chtri> 64-bit
[06:41] <chtri> and memory remap enabled
[06:41] <Zoem> hmmm
[06:41] <chtri> and windows see 4094mb
[06:42] <cvd-pr> chtri,  make windows the default os
[06:42] <chtri> :)
[06:42] <Zoem> I've never heard of this at all
[06:42] <cvd-pr> :-)
[06:43] <chtri> i want ubuntu to work properly too )
[06:44] <cvd-pr> Hey when i run this in the terminal , sudo apt-get install xyz its install the xyz without asking me first
[06:45] <Zoem> it remembers your sudo password for a certain amount of time
[06:46] <cvd-pr> o ok
[06:46] <Zoem> chtri what kernel are you on?
[06:46] <Lynoure> cvd-pr: apt-get only asks for confirmation when it pulls packages other than you explicitely told it to (that is, dependencies)
[06:46] <chtri> Zoem: i use stock kernels
[06:46] <hischild> cvd-pr, it only asks you if you're sure you wish to install it, if it has to download and install other packages as well.
[06:46] <Zoem> and what kind of processor do you have?
[06:46] <cvd-pr> hey its there a way to repair samba? this hapends when trying to install samba
[06:46] <cvd-pr> Unpacking samba (from .../samba_3.0.28a-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
[06:46] <cvd-pr> Setting up samba (3.0.28a-1ubuntu4) ...
[06:46] <cvd-pr> Generating /etc/default/samba...
[06:46] <cvd-pr>  * Starting Samba daemons                                                [fail]
[06:46] <cvd-pr> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[06:46] <cvd-pr> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[06:47] <cvd-pr>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:47] <chtri> Zoem: core 2 duo E4300
[06:47] <cvd-pr> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:47] <cvd-pr>  samba
[06:47] <cvd-pr> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:47] <cvd-pr> sorry for the paste
[06:47] <Lynoure> !pastebin | cvd-pr
[06:49] <Zoem> chtri: try installing the amd64 kernel. It is the 64 bit specific linux kernel
[06:49] <chtri> Zoem: i think stock ubuntu 64-bit edition kernel is amd64 kernel
[06:49] <soreau> I was curios about what further changes Hardy will receive between now and the official release date. Any general answer?
[06:49] <Zoem> chtri: what does grub say?
[06:50] <Flannel> soreau: fixes.
[06:50] <Lynoure> cvd-pr: sounds like a problem in the package. You could try  sudo apt-get clean  and then installing it again
[06:50] <soreau> Flannel: That's all I needed, thanks
[06:50] <chtri> Zoem: uname command say x86_64
[06:50] <cvd-pr> Lynoure, i already do that, and also i cant reinstall the samba-common
[06:50] <cvd-pr> :-(
[06:50] <Lynoure> cvd-pr: but if it is not corruption in your copy, nothing much to do than to report a bug and wait
[06:50] <chtri> Zoem: dunno about grub
[06:51] <Zoem> well, that's the same thing
[06:51] <Zoem> interesting...
[06:51] <Dannilion> Arg... I cannot install Hardy on my laptop due to a bug with wireless.
[06:54] <chtri> this is that topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=375853&page=2 and it seems ppl are use asus boards based on P965 chipset mostly
[06:55] <dthacker-work> Dannilion: got a bug number?  I have a laptop and I'm insterested in whether I'd have the problem
[06:55] <Zoem> chtri: if you have the 64bit kernel and the bios set correctly, I don't see why it wouldn't work
[06:56] <Zoem> was that output from uname -r there?
[06:58] <Dannilion> dthacker-work:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/183619
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> uh ubuntu froze when I was upgrading to hardy
[07:00] <chtri> Zoem: probably
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> it booted up fine, what should I do?  should I start hte upgrade all over again
[07:01]  * cyphase just ordered his CDs from shipit
[07:04] <Zoem> chtri: what motherboard do you have?
[07:06] <Lynoure> chtri: did you already try the blacklisting mentioned in that forum thread?
[07:09] <cvd-pr> How to start xchat minimized?
[07:10] <cvd-pr> the samba is fixed now
[07:10] <cvd-pr> !!
[07:11] <dek> I just upgraded to Hardy and now firefox won't run. Any idea what's wrong? (using Kubuntu)
[07:12] <Zoem> dek: does it give an error message?
[07:12] <dek> Zoem: no
[07:12] <dek> Zoem: i did a reinstall of firefox package, and its still the same
[07:12] <Zoem> have you tried running it from the command line?
[07:13] <dek> Zoem: "The program 'firefox' is currently not installed." lol
[07:13] <dek> Zoem: seems my Firefox 2.0.0.13 got whiped :P
[07:13] <Zoem> oh, that's good
[07:13] <Zoem> well, not really
[07:14] <Zoem> it should have installed firefox 3 beta 5
[07:14] <Zoem> hmm...
[07:14] <Zoem> what does it say when you sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:14] <dek> Zoem: now I do an install on firefox 3 and I get "firefox-3.0 is already the newest version."
[07:15] <Lynoure> dek: 3.0 and 2 won't run at the same time
[07:15] <dek> Lynoure: no version whatsoever seems to be running now
[07:15] <Lynoure> dek: oh, ok.
[07:15] <Zoem> heh
[07:16] <Lynoure> dek: try firefox-3.0 or firefox-2   from command line instead of plain firefox
[07:18] <dek> Lynoure: nice, firefox-3.0 works :D
[07:18] <dek> Lynoure: I wonder why all menu shortcuts were broken
[07:18] <Zoem> dek: try 'which firefox' on the command line
[07:19] <dek> Zoem: I get no output with that
[07:19] <Zoem> that's why
[07:19] <Zoem> there seems to be nothing called "firefox" in your path :)(
[07:20] <dek> ah
[07:20] <dek> how do I add it?
[07:20] <Zoem> change the menu shortcuts to say firefox-3.0
[07:20] <dek> I could create an alias too :P
[07:20] <Zoem> or link firefox-3.0 to firefox in /usr/bin
[07:21] <dek> how do I do the second alternative?
[07:22] <Zoem> just a moment
[07:22] <Zoem> sorry, had a runaway script
[07:22] <dek> ok
[07:22] <Zoem> anyway, the easy way is to gksu nautilus, and just browse to /usr/bin
[07:22] <Zoem> find firefox-3.0, make a link, and rename it
[07:23] <Zoem> if you don't mind be lazy and not old-school
[07:23] <dek> haha ok
[07:24] <dek> done :) thanks!
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[07:25] <Zoem> chtri: ah, well, that walkthrough in the forums is about all I can do then
 no, i think blacklisting is for older versions of ubuntu, and after blacklisting ppl see 3.8 gb too...
[07:26] <chtri> Lynoure: before blacklistin ppl see even less than 3.8
[07:27] <Zoem> what I got is that before blacklist they didn't see anything
[07:27] <Zoem> dek: Your welcome :)
[07:29] <Fritzel> I have invisible pointers again in some applications, by any chance has anyone discovered what was going on since I asked lasttime
[07:31] <Lynoure> chtri: do you happen to have a video card that uses shared memory?
[07:32] <Zoem> ooh, good point
[07:33] <chtri> Lynoure: no, its 8800 gts 512. but i think that even with such card, its address space should be ramapped beyond 4gb, and should not interfere with memory available to OS, dunno
[07:33] <Lynoure> chtri: depends. I think I have seen one where you set in bios how much they chop and that part is never seen in Linux as such
[07:34] <chtri> agp aperture size probably?
[07:34] <tanner> anyone else experiencing problems with external drivers not being properly recognized?
[07:35] <Lynoure> chtri: Cannot remember, not my hardware. But you do have the motherboard commonly mentioned in that thread? Or some other?
[07:38] <chtri> Lynoure: not exactly, but it seems P5B variants mentioned like P5B deluxe, P5B-VM, or so (i have p5b). dunno, maybe its BIOS bug?
[07:39] <kindofabuzz> how can i get my wireless working. probably a very common question.  i've got it to where i see signal bars but all grey.  i've tried everything possible i've found googling.  any one got any ideas?
[07:39] <tanner> anyone know how to force nautilus to refresh the drives?
[07:39] <Zoem> kindofabuzz: what is output of ifconfig?
[07:40] <kindofabuzz> Zoem, well that's a totally differnt computer so can't paste.  i've got it set to my essid but it says access point: not associted for wlan0
[07:40] <Zoem> oh
[07:41] <kindofabuzz> and no channel
[07:41] <Zoem> ummm
[07:41] <Zoem> i dunno... this is an area of continual frustration to me
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> with gutsy when you check the bcm restricted you can make it load whatever file you want. so i was gonna try that.  but evidentally in hardy you can only go to the repos
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> and hardy sometimes locks up in the restricted driver thing
[07:42] <kindofabuzz> anyone? beuller? beuller?
[07:43] <Lynoure> No idea what beuller is, sorry.
[07:44] <kindofabuzz> lol that's from a movie. see above that
[07:44] <Lynoure> kindofabuzz: bueller I'd  know... =)
[07:45] <kindofabuzz> jeez, well you read it right.  so that's all that matters
[07:46] <kindofabuzz> i don't see how theey're gonna release hardy with this huge problem.  i know i'm not the only one
[07:46] <Lynoure> I seriously though beuller was the chipset of your wifi or something
[07:47] <tanner> anyone know how to force ubuntu to recheck for drives
[07:47] <kindofabuzz> no but i'm sure you can take a guess, the main one that don't work in hardy but probably the most common
[07:48] <kindofabuzz> this room doesn't buzz like #ubuntu does =|
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> there's also only about 1/3 the people, and it's the middle of the night/early morning where most english speaking users dwell
[07:50] <Zoem> and less people know solutions to hardy problems
[07:50] <kindofabuzz> it's friday night! =)
[07:50] <Lynoure> kindofabuzz: worry not, if the bug is reported, they'll take it into consideration, and it is very common, someone is probably already working on fixing it to the degree they can
[07:50] <kindofabuzz> sigh, back to gutsy =(
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> kindofabuzz, that's another reason.  one thing i've noticed about linux users is that a pretty good number of them like their beer or other alcoholic beverages
[07:51] <Lynoure> keep on following the launchpad entry for the bug, often solutions pop up there
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i still feel dirty for using wine
[07:51] <kindofabuzz> Lynoure: i've tried every solution tossed out in launchpad
[07:52] <Zoem> kindofabuzz: if it's any consolation to you, I've nerfed the hardy install on my laptop three times now
[07:52] <Zoem> it's gutsy for me there, too
[07:52] <kindofabuzz> i got one more thing to try, uninstall the cutter and use the deb i have and hopefully it will let me choose the driver thing
[07:54] <tanner> any idea why ubuntu would not recognize eSATA drives
[07:54] <Zoem> tanner: during boot, or afterwards?
[07:54] <tanner> correction: why it will not mount, or show up under "places"
[07:55] <Zoem> oh
[07:55] <Zoem> ongoing bug with removable media
[07:55] <tanner> exceptionally annoying :-\
[07:55] <Zoem> yeah. the regression for usb cameras is really bad
[07:57] <tanner> perhaps its a hal bug
[07:58] <tanner> they really should implement a method to force a recheck of the attached drives
[07:58] <Zoem> oh, I'm sure there is, involving killing something or something like that
[07:59] <tanner> thats a rather primitive solution
[08:00] <Zoem> yeah...
[08:01] <tanner> erm
[08:04] <orvokki> Anyone else got postfix installed?
[08:04] <orvokki> Mine seems to behave a bit bad.
[08:05] <orvokki> That is, it doesn't stop on init script. I think I already sent a bug report (if it indeed got through).
[08:05] <orvokki> Makes upgrading postfix a bit of a hassle.
[08:06] <Zoem> i seem to remember something like that also
[08:08] <Lynoure> orvokki: not on hardy, no, sorry. If you don't get heavy mail traffic, you could smack it will kills
[08:09] <orvokki> Lynoure: Yeah, I did manage to get it down finally by sending a few -9's to the mother process.
[08:09] <Dannilion> Phew... it looks like there's no damage inside the laptop.
[08:17] <tanner> i find it rather interesting that there were no problems with automounting with the -12 version of the kernel :-\
[08:19] <VanDyke> hey guys
[08:19] <VanDyke> question
[08:19] <VanDyke> how do I change my default sound device
[08:19] <brynjolf> anyone else having problems pressing ctrl alt backspace or logging out? For me it just freezes with no coherent errormessage except that localhost refuses connection
[08:19] <VanDyke> system/preferences/sound has it all pointing to pulseaudio server
[08:23] <fbn> hi, boot resolution of usplash is set to 640x480, how can I change this?
[08:24] <fbn> /etc/usplash.conf is empty
[08:25] <brynjolf> fbn: I have the same problem ^^
[08:25] <fbn> brynjolf: and found a solution for it? :) are you using nvidia?
[08:27] <brynjolf> nope, no solution so far (FGLRX/ATI)
[08:27] <brynjolf> Just wanted to let you know you werent alone hehe
[08:27] <wolf4914> I am trying to uninstall Nvidia 173.08 and sh ./NVIDIA_SCRIPT --uninstall says can not find it?
[08:28] <chtri> its something like nvidia-installer --uninstall or so
[08:28] <chtri> look into documentation
[08:28] <chtri> what is nvidia_script?
[08:29] <wolf4914> their docs look outdated though
[08:30] <wolf4914> the installer runs with sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[08:31] <chtri> i know, and it should install nvidia-installer somewhere
[08:31] <chtri> dunno, maybe package accept uninstall command too
[08:33] <HorizonXP> Release Candidate! YAY!
[08:34] <HorizonXP> if I'm already on Hardy, if I have the current updates, it's the same thing right?
[08:34] <chtri> right
[08:34] <HorizonXP> when the final release comes out next week, you think it's a good idea to do a clean install?
[08:34] <HorizonXP> clear out any "cruft" from the beta?
[08:35] <chtri> i always do clean install
[08:35] <HorizonXP> me too
[08:35] <HorizonXP> but I just thought it was me being paranoid
[08:35] <chtri> its just we both paranoid
[08:35] <HorizonXP> lol
[08:35] <HorizonXP> no doubt :D
[08:37] <Fritzel> I have a quad core processor and I'm messing around with Screenlets, there's one called Sensor's  and I'm showing 5 cpus, does anyone know if one of them is an overall sensor? they're labeled CPU0 - CPU4
[08:38] <chtri> the one with lowest temp
[08:38] <Fritzel> temp? was that to me? if so I don't understadn
[08:38] <dthacker-work> buy 4 cores, get one free?
[08:39] <hischild> Fritzel, i think that one of them is the average of the other 4.
[08:39] <Fritzel> best guess, 0 would be the overall?
[08:39] <Fritzel> I want to monitor overall
[08:40] <hischild> Fritzel, it's probably either the 4th or 0th one
[08:41] <Fritzel> and most likely it'd be the lowest of the 5 assuming steady cpu usage correct?
[08:41] <chtri> there is no "overall" sensor, there are sensors located in cores, and sensor located on cap. if cpu have no cap sensor, this value calculated by bios
[08:41] <chtri> based on cores values
[08:42] <Fritzel> approximates are fine, I just want to know if something pegs my processor at a glance, it's happened several times
[08:43] <chtri> and temperature in cores always higher than cap temperature
[08:44] <Fritzel> ok in case anyone else tries this screenlet it looks like 0 is the combined approximation
[08:45] <chtri> something is wrong
[08:46] <chtri> at least if you dont use liquid nitrogen cooling
[08:47] <kabads> using u 8.04, is there a reason why users-admin won't let me add groups or users (buttons are blanked out)? I've tried gksudo users-admin with the same effect.
[08:48] <DistroJockey> kabads: did you click on the Unlock button?
[08:48] <kabads> DistroJockey: there appears to be no unlock buttons
[08:49] <kabads> on that particular app
[08:49] <DistroJockey> hmm
[08:49] <DistroJockey> is on mine
[08:49] <kabads> ah, no - I'm wrong
[08:49] <kabads> my bad
[08:49] <kabads> thanks
[08:49] <DistroJockey> np
[08:49] <skwashd> hi all
[08:50] <skwashd> suspend to ram is completely broken on my new dell d830 running hardy amd64 install
[08:50] <skwashd> other than recompiling the kernel ... can i disable suspend to ram?
[08:50] <skwashd> i need acpi
[08:51] <kabads> using users-admin, when I add a group the group name does not appear in the group settings dialogue  - it's just a blank
[08:54] <DistroJockey> kabads: yeah, same for me, looks to be broken atm
[08:55] <sharperguy> Yay, suspend actually works again!
[08:56] <skwashd> sharperguy: you had issues with suspend to ram?
[08:56] <Vorbote> kabads: It seems that it doesn't recognize the new group until the machine reboots. That means it is reading the kernel's internal group list (that's broken behavior in my book).
[08:57] <sharperguy> Well when I bought this laptop (one with ubuntu from dell), suspend was fine on feisty, but broke on upgrade to gutsy.
[08:57] <sharperguy> Then the hibernate broke when I changed to the rt kernel, but now it all seems to be fine
[08:57] <skwashd> sharperguy: amd64/i386? what was the fix?
[08:58] <sharperguy> i386, fixed by upgrading to hardy :)
[08:58] <skwashd> i have a dell d830 (amd64) with self installed .. my d810 (i386) self installed works fine
[08:58] <skwashd> ok
[08:58] <sharperguy> cool
[08:59] <Vorbote> kabads:Worse, the tool didn't even create a new group. Hmmm... Time for launchpad.
[08:59] <skwashd> i have just hacked /etc/default/acpi to try to fix mine
[08:59] <skwashd> i don't really use/need suspend anyway
[09:00] <skwashd> hibernate would be nice ... but doesn't work with crypto root :(
[09:00] <sharperguy> hmm
[09:04] <kabads> Vorbote: Are you logging it?
[09:04] <Vorbote> I was in the process, do you want to do it yourself?
[09:04] <kabads> no, please carry on.
[09:04] <kabads> thanks
[09:04] <kabads> I didn't want to replicate though
[09:04] <Vorbote> :-)
[09:04] <DistroJockey> ﻿kabads: Vorbote: Already a bug filed:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/205144
[09:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205144 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin cannot add groups in hardy beta" [Medium,In progress]
[09:04] <kabads> I'm just glad to help
[09:05] <Vorbote> DistroJockey: thanks for noticing. kabads, we better join the chorus to make it louder.
[09:05] <DistroJockey> Vorbote: no problem
[09:05] <joeamined> hi
[09:06] <kabads> DistroJockey: just reading it
[09:06] <joeamined> i just upgraded to hardy and it is really great
[09:06] <joeamined> congratulations
[09:06] <joeamined> I just would like to know how to make audiopulse work on hardy
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> pulseaudio is enabled by default
[09:07] <x1250> IIRC, not when upgrading from gutsy
[09:07] <Vorbote> Just an observation, subscribing to a bug is as compelling as a me too post in launchpad and less annoying :-)
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> that explains some things then
[09:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to have to blow my laptop away and install fresh
[09:08] <joeamined> Daisuke, i made a server upgrade, so it isn't
[09:10] <kabads> it seems that users-admin doesn't show all groups - I was trying to add a video group, it turns out that it already exists but it's not shown in users-admin
[09:11] <Vorbote> Daisuke_Ido: that's not necessary. You can jump to init 1, delete the sound configs in your $HOME/.gconf dir and return to level 2. That should take care of old configuration defaults. (Then you will have to reconfigure your sound but the base config will be fresh).
[09:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Vorbote, if that were it, that would be fine
[09:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i've been upgrading since feisty on that laptop (currently at the hardy RC)
[09:12] <x1250> Daisuke_Ido: just install pulseaudio from hardy when upgrading...
[09:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i would like to start fresh with hardy on there
[09:13] <Vorbote> kabads: that's true but it is an upstream problem (they filter down some groups, I haven't figures out the reason in the madness yet).
[09:13] <kabads> ah right - that makes sense as there are an awful lot missing when compared to /etc/group
[09:15] <Vorbote> Daisuke_Ido: sometimes it is is a good idea, (I did it myself in this one). But do make sure to move your .gconf and .gconfd dirs out of the way. Keep around your eveo config dirs if you use it though (backup and restore will help a lot).
[09:15] <Vorbote> s/eveo/evo/
[09:15] <Daisuke_Ido> when i say start fresh, i mean completely fresh
[09:16] <Daisuke_Ido> there's nothing there i need, just the directory i keep papers in for school
[09:16] <Vorbote> Ahh! I'm too attached to my home dir :-)
[09:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just my school laptop
[09:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't think of doing that to my desktop machine :D
[09:17] <Vorbote> I couldn't get rid of my pr0n :-P
[09:17] <DanaG> I have too much system-level tweaked stuff.
[09:17] <DanaG> Things like xorg.conf, dnsmasq, sources.list, interfaces, and such.
[09:18] <Vorbote> DanaG: in that case, it is a good idea to put your modifies files under some sort of source control (cvs, subversion, git, bzr) and keep the master copies in your homr partition
[09:19] <cvd-pr> can i run in virtual box an already windowsxp partition?
[09:19] <x1250> me too, but I keep them on ~/src/ubuntu/system, that equals /, so /src/ubuntu/system/etc has all custom files I get my hands on. I then symlink it to /etc. Handy method...
[09:20] <x1250> I mean I symlink every file in there, to the corresponding one on /etc
[09:21] <Vorbote> cvd-pr: probably. I know you can with vmware not sure about VB though. Yet, you'll need to hack your udev config files so that you own that partition (or execute VB as root, not a good idea IMO).
[09:21] <Vorbote> x1250: that's also a good strategy as long as you have it in different partition :-)
[09:22] <x1250> yes, you can, I don't know how, but yesterday some guy said he did it after I told him how to install virtualbox, so it must be a simple thing
[09:22] <x1250> Vorbote: yep
[09:23] <Vorbote> cvd-pr: you can force ownerships in fstab as well (I'm just lazy and prefer to use udev :-))
[09:24] <mzuverink> Could anyone report if they are having issues w/ cd/dvd ide devices on X86 64bit arch?  It is as if they have no power at all, though the drives work fine in both XP and Gutsy.
[09:26] <Vorbote> mzuverink: that seems like something that would be a problem with your board's chipset.
[09:27] <cvd-pr> Sun buy virtualbox?
[09:28] <mzuverink> Vorbote, Seems it both drives did work fine though if I remember properly until the removal of mythTV
[09:28] <Vorbote> pata drivers are not completely invented yet. For example, my desktop, with a Via chipset, was reverted to the old IDE drivers in the middle of hardy. Perhaps your's  need a fix like that (launchpad time).
[09:29] <mzuverink> Vorbote, THough I am not too sure, perhaps I shall reinstall, my chipset is fairly generic
[09:29] <Vorbote> mzuverink: can you test removing /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules and then running udevtrigger. The rules might be corrupt.
[09:30] <mzuverink> Vorbote, Ill try that, thanks
[09:31] <Vorbote> delete 70-persistent-cd.rules as well
[09:32] <cvd-pr> Why  synaptic  also dont show the closed version of Virtualbox? only sow the openSource
[09:32] <brynjolf>  " This release of the ATI Catalyst™ Linux driver introduces early look support for Ubuntu 8.04 which is also known as Hardy Heron. " anyone know what that means?
[09:32] <Vorbote> cvd-pr: because the closed version is not available for packaging.
[09:33] <Vorbote> and it is questionable even for the non-free version due to its licensing.
[09:33] <Vorbote> s/version/sectioni/
[09:33] <Micrll> hey guys, on a scale of 1-10 how stabe is the new RC looking?
[09:34] <cvd-pr> the closed has usb 2.0 etc...
[09:34] <Vorbote> A 12 but it depends on your hardware.
[09:35] <Vorbote> cvd-pr: that's right. But you can always work around that by using, say, samba or NFS...
[09:35] <Micrll> hmmm
[09:35] <Micrll> debating installing 7.1 or 8.04RC tommrow
[09:36] <Micrll> my local university linux user group is having their install fest tommrow.  I am running windows xp on my computer, and my roomate and I just popped in a extra 80gb drive so I can dual boot on two drives.  This is not a "Mission critical" thing as long as I can still access my xp partition.
[09:36] <Vorbote> Micrll: all I can say is that my laptop (a very recent Dell job) works better with Linux than with MS OSs).
[09:36] <x1250> brynjolf: could you provide a link for that quote?
[09:36] <bullgard4> "~$ sudo ddcprobe; vbe: VESA 2.0 detected. oem: ATI CABO. memory: 32704kb, ..., mode: 1024x768x256, 1024X768x32k, 1024x768x64k; edid: edidfail." What does ' edid: edidfail' mean?
[09:36] <Micrll> I would be installing on a ~2 year old compaq desktop
[09:36] <calc> Micrll: hardy will be released in under a week so there will be updates but it is mostly complete at this point
[09:37] <Vorbote> Micrll: go for the RC, it'll stay at least six months in your box. :-)
[09:37] <cvd-pr> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[09:37] <Micrll> ok then you CAN answer me this question, is it possible to update the RC to the full version
[09:37] <x1250> Micrll: yes, just aptitude full-upgrade
[09:37] <calc> Micrll: yea, you can update even 7.10 to hardy, its easy to do
[09:37] <Vorbote> Yes. An RC is shake down any uglies left before declaring it done.
[09:37] <calc> er upgrade 7.10 to hardy i meant to say
[09:38] <cvd-pr> any difference between the live and the alternative?
[09:38] <Micrll> sounds good enough then, like I said this is not that mission critical
[09:38] <Micrll> its more of a toy for right now
[09:38] <x1250> cvd-pr: after installation has finished? nope
[09:38]  * calc goes back to bed
[09:39] <murlidhar>  hi all , i have a hardy alternate cd beta . now i want to use jigdo to update the image to release candidate. can u please help me since i don't know how to use jigdo
[09:39] <Vorbote> Micrll: rather than a dist-upgrade grab an altenate CD and run the upgrade script in the root of it. It'll make sure to clean up the old cruft )or run update-manager -p -c -d)
[09:39] <Micrll> now see that did not make a lot of sense
[09:39] <Micrll> I assume there will be a wiki article at some point on how to do this?
[09:40] <Vorbote> murlidhar: My strategy: mount the image file with fuseiso somewhere (I use /tmp/iso)
[09:40] <Micrll> well from what I have heard overall the new release is much better than 7.1 anyways
[09:40] <cvd-pr> x1250,  what are you talking?
[09:41] <murlidhar> Vorbote, i have already burnt the iso to a cd and i have popped in the cd tray
[09:41] <mattycoze> hey is there a list of stable programs that work in 8.40? or is it still a matter of trial and error?
[09:41] <mattycoze> *a current stable list
[09:41] <bluefox83> my system is setting itself up to upgrade to hardy :)
[09:41] <murlidhar> Vorbote, so it is mounted to my /media/cdrom0
[09:42] <Micrll> mattycoze, is there a lot of software that does not work?
[09:42] <Vorbote> murlidhar: Then run jigdo-lite http://blah and make it read your /tmp/iso, then your /var/cache/apt/archives, then hit return to have it grab the rest from the net. If using a cd just pop it in and make jogdo read your /cdrom or /media/cdrom
[09:42] <mattycoze> Micr11 nah i wouldn't know hence why i'm intending to find this out
[09:42] <Micrll> ah
[09:42] <mattycoze> i imagine a fair few ppl have already tried out the previous instal and current pre-release already
[09:42] <Micrll> oh hey, also another question for you all (trying to learn the ropes here), I have a AMD64 cpu
[09:42] <murlidhar> Vorbote, how to make it read my /media/cdrom0
[09:43] <Micrll> do I want to get the 64 bit version or the 32 bit version
[09:43] <Vorbote> murlidhar: just type it in in the script prompt.
[09:43] <Vorbote> and hit return
[09:43] <mattycoze> the release notes are awesome for 8.40
[09:43]  * bluefox83 hopes his system doesn't crash and burn once hardy is installed, as both alsa and my wifi card drivers were compiled from scratch...
[09:44] <mattycoze> googe cal integration with evolution ftw!
[09:44] <murlidhar> Vorbote, i am complete noobie :P
[09:44] <Micrll> close to noob here as well, though I have played with linux on and off on MUCH older hardware
[09:44] <Micrll> and such it has always well...sucked
[09:44] <brynjolf> x1250: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_84_linux.html
[09:44] <bluefox83> how's the support for atheros wifi cards?
[09:44]  * Vorbote is. in fact, updating his beta images with jigdo at this very moment :-)
[09:44] <Micrll> this is the first time feeding linux to my main machine
[09:45] <Micrll> so what you guys think 64 bit or 32 bit version
[09:45] <Vorbote> murlidhar: we all were sometime, somewhere.
[09:45] <Micrll> I only have 1gb of ram in this machine
[09:45] <bluefox83> you might want to stick to 32 bit, there's still a bunch of problems with 64 bit compatibility that i'm sure hasn't been sorted
[09:45] <Micrll> ok
[09:45] <Micrll> thats what I thought
[09:45] <Vorbote> Micrll: for your first time, and with 1GB RAM, 32-bit would be more than enough.
[09:46] <Micrll> I did not see a real reson to go to 64
[09:46] <Micrll> ok one more than I have to get off, my roomate is trying to go to sleep
[09:46] <Micrll> 8600GT graphics card, how hard is it to get it working
[09:47] <murlidhar> are ubuntu servers under heavy load
[09:47] <Amaranth> murlidhar: probably
[09:47] <Vorbote> murlidhar: yes, with the RC release and all.
[09:47] <murlidhar>  jigdo-lite http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo
[09:47] <Micrll> I would assume
[09:48] <Micrll> I know I am hitting the server hard grabbing the images
[09:48] <Amaranth> use a mirror
[09:48]  * Micrll does not want to do bittorent at university
[09:48] <Amaranth> Micrll: just smush the server instead?
[09:48] <Micrll> getting IRC working was already a problem, though I finally realized the simple solution
[09:49] <murlidhar> is this command good ? i am upgrading my beta to rc
[09:49] <murlidhar>  jigdo-lite http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo
[09:49] <murlidhar> any mirrors for india?
[09:49] <Amaranth> a lot of packages changed between beta and rc
[09:49] <Micrll> amaranth, yep a smahing good time is had by all
[09:50] <murlidhar> Amaranth, no problem i want to learn to use jigdo
[09:50] <Micrll> so 8600GT, easy or hard to get working, or should it work by itself
[09:50] <Amaranth> seems in.releases.ubuntu.com is the same IP as releases.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <Amaranth> Micrll: should work fine without doing anything for 2D
[09:50] <Vorbote> murlidhar: try in.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:50] <Amaranth> Vorbote: read what i just said :P
[09:50] <Micrll> ok and 3d?
[09:51] <Amaranth> Micrll: click a button or two
[09:51] <Micrll> sounds good
[09:51] <Vorbote> Amaranth: I'm a bit distracted here :-P
[09:51] <Micrll> I am kind of excited, to get this running...
[09:52] <Micrll> I will then have a trifecta, XP, ubundu, and os x 10.5
[09:52] <Micrll> mind you the mac is on its own laptop
[09:52] <Amaranth> You have a Mac Pro?
[09:52] <Micrll> nah
[09:52] <Amaranth> oh
[09:52] <Micrll> I DO like the mac laptop, it works great
[09:52] <murlidhar> Resolving in.archieve.ubuntu.com... failed: Name or service not known.
[09:53] <Micrll> but, I have been meaning to give linux a better chance
[09:53] <Vorbote> murlidhar: archive
[09:53] <murlidhar> oops
[09:53] <bluefox83> i saw the mac air, that thing looks so slim you might break it sitting a text book on it
[09:53] <Micrll> oh heck no, not the air
[09:53] <murlidhar> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[09:53] <murlidhar> 14:23:38 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[09:53] <Micrll> thats for people like my dad who travels a lot and would never push it
[09:53] <jaffarkelshac> #ubuntu-bots
[09:54] <murlidhar> !test
[09:54] <ubotu> Failed.
[09:54] <murlidhar> hmm
[09:54] <Micrll> I really just want a nice fast, simple boot for my main desktop here
[09:54] <Vorbote> just wait for the end of the year. Intel announces that it will go in the SSD business. Well be running diskless machines next year I think.
[09:54] <Micrll> so I figured I would jump in, though I will be without this desktop for the summer
[09:54] <Micrll> I don't ship it back home :(
[09:55] <murlidhar> Micrll, ubuntu boots faster than xp
[09:55] <Micrll> ya, but I never turn this thing off half the time
[09:55] <Micrll> (because of said boot times_
[09:55] <brynjolf> murlidhar: not for me :(
[09:55] <Micrll> though firefox goes, num num num to my RAM
[09:56] <Micrll> 60+ tabs, in firefox, running non stop for 5 days
[09:56] <murlidhar> brynjolf, probly u have to remove some uncessary services like bluetooth if don't use them ofcourse
[09:56] <ttkeppi> where did the marketting speach go? of ffox3 being much lighter than ffox2
[09:56] <DanaG> macbook air is lame; try Lenovo X300 instead.
[09:56] <Micrll> oh it probebly is lighter
[09:56] <Micrll> haven't installed it yet
[09:56] <DanaG> One USB Port == teh suck.
[09:57] <murlidhar> firefox 3 is lighter thn ffox2
[09:57] <Micrll> running webkit on the mac though, and it FLYS
[09:57] <Micrll> plus it scrolls more smoothly
[09:57] <Micrll> oh and DanaG, yes it is the suck
[09:57] <Micrll> thats why I don't want one
[09:57] <ttkeppi> i'm doing it wrong then. can't see much difference on surfing speed
[09:58] <Micrll> its probebly placebo
[09:58] <DanaG> Laptop I'm considering for next time: HP 8510p or 8510w.
[09:58] <Micrll> but I have had a crazy amount of problems with firefox crashing and webkit is somehow infiantly more stable
[09:58] <bluefox83> i have a nice hp laptop :)
[09:58] <Micrll> and I only used like 3 extensions
[09:58] <murlidhar> ttkeppi, lol  surfing speed depends on your internet connection
[09:59] <Micrll> ya university connection can FLY at times
[09:59] <Micrll> I can get up to 2mb/s down
[09:59] <murlidhar> it is only how fast the browser reponses makes a browser faster
[09:59] <ttkeppi> adsl2+ 24/1M speeds :P ...so i can pretty comfortably say that it is not about having a slow line
[09:59] <Micrll> murlidhar: right, and somesites (like facebook) really can tax a browser
[09:59] <DanaG> Why the heck won't azureus open torrent files from Firefox?
[09:59] <DanaG> WTF?
[09:59] <DanaG> Argh!
[09:59] <Micrll> true
[10:00] <Micrll> ah home I only get 200KB/s down
[10:00] <Vorbote> If using ubuntu one can use midori, which uses webkit as backend.
[10:00] <Micrll> oh cool
[10:00] <Micrll> I am trying to be neutral, I go with what works best for me
[10:00] <Micrll> right now webkit is best, though I want to try firefox 3
[10:00] <brynjolf> epiphany in the futurue will also use webkit
[10:01] <murlidhar> DanaG, go to firefox preferences>application>bittorrentseedfile
[10:01] <Vorbote> looking forward to it.
[10:01] <Micrll> so hopefully by around 5pm tommrow this computer will be running 8.4
[10:01] <DanaG> I set it to azureusl it doesn't work.
[10:01] <DanaG> I also double-click in gnome -- doesn't work.
[10:01] <Micrll> though I can't give up xp, needs the games
[10:01] <DanaG> The only thing that does work: dragging into Azureus window.
[10:02] <Micrll> any other bits of advice I should know for tommrow?
[10:03] <Vorbote> DanaG: right click on a torrent. open properties and select the OpenWith tab there you can select your poison.
[10:03] <DanaG> I did that!
[10:03] <kabads> my wireless card just dropped - it has disappeared from the Network Manager. Are there any docs to troubleshoot?
[10:03] <Vorbote> (Same for firefox but in its own settings thingy)
[10:03] <murlidhar> DanaG, i am noob but there are a quite few settings that i don't remember
[10:03] <murlidhar> right now
[10:04] <Vorbote> Edit->Preferences->Applications
[10:04] <DanaG> Yup, did that too.
[10:04] <ethana2> firefox makes my music skip
[10:04] <Micrll> ooo
[10:04] <Micrll> thats no good
[10:04] <kindofabuzz> anyone got a torrent link for the RC?
[10:04] <ethana2> my music is higher priority than firefox
[10:04] <Micrll> you know
[10:04] <Micrll> I have had that happen on my windows box
[10:04] <Vorbote> Bittottent Seed File use other and select azureus in the filesystem
[10:05] <Vorbote> kindofabuzz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[10:05] <Micrll> alright all, its getting late, I need to get SOME sleep so I can be awake to install hardy
[10:05] <Micrll> now one last debate
[10:05] <kindofabuzz> Vorbote, that's site is swamped, that's why i was wondering if anyone had a direct link to the i386 torrent
[10:05] <Micrll> ubundu or kubuntu
[10:05] <Vorbote> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[10:05] <DanaG> [GUI] StartServer ERROR: unable to bind to 127.0.0.1:6880 listening for passed torrent info: Address already in use
[10:05] <DanaG> StartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process listening on [127.0.0.1: 6880]
[10:06] <Vorbote> An dkeep trying ...
[10:06] <kindofabuzz> thanks
[10:06] <DanaG> running 'azureus (filename of torrent file)'
[10:06] <DanaG> on console.
[10:06] <Micrll> oh actually
[10:06] <Micrll> how hard is it to install KDE in ubuntu?
[10:06] <Micrll> if I want to try it?
[10:06] <kindofabuzz> Vorbote, looks like that's gonna time out too =(
[10:06] <brynjolf> Micrll: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:07] <brynjolf> done
[10:07] <DanaG> no
[10:07] <DanaG> use aptitude
[10:07] <DanaG> it's better for doing metapackages!
[10:07] <DanaG> If you install kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop through apt-get, it's a pain to remove.
[10:07] <DanaG> If you use aptitude, it's extremely easy.
[10:07] <Vorbote> kindofabuzz: You are right, it is slow as molasses.
[10:07] <kindofabuzz> apt-get is just as good as aptitude, read it in some release note somewhere
[10:07] <brynjolf> DanaG: Ah, now I know that =) ty
[10:07]  * Vorbote happy to be using jigdo.
[10:08] <Micrll> is the server really that hard hit
[10:08] <Micrll> its working fine from this end
[10:08] <kindofabuzz> jigbo is only good for comparing images
[10:08] <kindofabuzz> like rc to final
[10:08] <DanaG> bo?  do?
[10:08]  * TheImp is now testing rc1 native
[10:08] <Vorbote> yup, updating my beta images.
[10:09] <Micrll> I think that is all my questions
[10:09] <Micrll> you guys have been great
[10:09] <Vorbote> kindofabuzz: I'll pass you along the torrent file.
[10:09] <kindofabuzz> oh ok, well i did the whole update thing but couldn't get wireless to work, so gonna install it on another partition and see what i can do
[10:09] <DanaG> argh
[10:09] <DanaG> apt updating is choking everything else on my system.
[10:09] <kindofabuzz> cool Vorbote
[10:09] <DanaG> Oops, forgot I'd niced compiz +1.
[10:10] <DanaG> OOh, 58 updates.  Will deal with reading changelogs tomorrow.
[10:10] <Vorbote> Up for grabs
[10:10] <Micrll> I should be back on now if I have more questions
[10:10] <DanaG> I don't install stuff without changelogs.  Handily, that keeps me one update cycle behind, so I can avoid major breakage.
[10:10] <kindofabuzz> i hit accept
[10:10] <Vorbote> yup
[10:10] <kindofabuzz> i'm saying i id
[10:10] <kindofabuzz> did
[10:11] <Micrll> finally got IRC working at my school
[10:11] <Vorbote> OK so let's the net do its thing
[10:11] <Micrll> horray for freenode having a alternate connection port
[10:11] <Micrll> apparently the normal IRC port is blocked
[10:11] <kindofabuzz> for a 28kB file, the net is awfully slow lol
[10:12] <bullgard4> get-edid version 1.4.1 reports: "The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed. parse-edid: IO error reading EDID." How does Ubuntu Hardy determine the resolution of my laptop's LCD screen?
[10:12] <Vorbote> Ahh OK, I forgot to use the alternate port. I'll be back in a few secconds and we'll try again.
[10:12] <kindofabuzz> Vorbote, are you on mirc? cause i heard mirc can't dcc with other clients
[10:12] <Micrll> thanks again! night all!
[10:12]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[10:13] <kindofabuzz> Vorbote, ok
[10:13] <Vorbote> Nope Piding with all the plugins, It works OK.
[10:13] <kindofabuzz> try again
[10:13] <kindofabuzz> doh
[10:13] <balleyne> Just upgraded to Hardy and I have an issue with Firefox. I'm pretty sure it has to do with some Automatix crap I had to clean up a while back; /usr/bin/firefox is linked to the wrong place (I manually edited that link before). Can someone tell me where it should be linked in a standard install?
[10:14] <Vorbote> let's try again
[10:14] <kindofabuzz> kk
[10:14] <Vorbote> That was fast :-)
[10:14] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[10:14] <kindofabuzz> well 28kb ain't big
[10:15] <kindofabuzz> thanks Vorbote
[10:15] <Vorbote> 8-)
[10:15] <balleyne> i.e. can someone run `ls -l /usr/bin | grep firefox` on their system and show me the output?
[10:16] <kindofabuzz> damn where did i save it? lol
[10:16] <thoreauputic> balleyne: 3 lines as follows
[10:16] <thoreauputic> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         11 2008-04-17 05:06 firefox -> firefox-3.0
[10:16] <thoreauputic> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         24 2008-04-10 10:43 firefox-2 -> ../lib/firefox/firefox-2
[10:16] <thoreauputic> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         31 2008-04-17 05:06 firefox-3.0 -> ../lib/firefox-3.0b5/firefox.sh
[10:16] <balleyne> thoreauputic: thanks!
[10:16] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:17] <davisc> I installed hardy a few weeks ago. 2.6.24-12 will boot fine -15 and -16 hang at "found F71882FG chip at 0x290, revision 32". Is it fair to say that module is hanging the machine?
[10:27] <pvandewyngaerde> is there a Kubuntu with KDE 4.1svn  ?
[10:29] <gregory> pvandewyngaerde: opensuse is quite involved with kde. they have kde4 devels on the payroll
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> i am currently using Kde 4.1
[10:30] <yacc> Whats the correct way to force a specific mac addr for a network device in Hardy?
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> or at least  kde4 svn  4.00.70
[10:33] <pvandewyngaerde> yacc:  have you tried these ?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=668745
[10:36] <scheuri> hi all
[10:36] <Vorbote> ﻿yacc: you can force a MAC id if using ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces (see man interfaces for the syntax).
[10:36] <yacc> pvandewyngaerde: hardy seems to be missing any network definitions in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:36] <yacc> Vorbote: yeah, but my hardy install has a "mostly" empty interfaces file.
[10:36] <Vorbote> yacc: by default all interfaces are managed by network-manager in roaming mode.
[10:37] <scheuri> question: someone else also have the problem that networksettings (specifically DNS-Server) are not stored when entered in KNetworkManager? Whenever I reboot those DNS-Server settings are lost...
[10:37] <scheuri> sorry, that is hardy that is
[10:38] <Vorbote> yacc: open the networking applet and tick off the roaming mode checkbox, that'll allow you to release the interface of network-manager's grip and you'll be able to configure it by hand.
[10:39] <micha__> has somebody problems to shut the box down ... screen turnes black but it doesn't shut down
[10:40] <bullgard4> "~$ xresprobe video; id: (empty); res: (empty); freq: (empty) disptype: lcd/lvds." How does Ubuntu determine the resolution of my laptop's LCD?
[10:41] <micha__> shutdown -hP now works fine ... only the gui shut down button doesn't ... someone know how to fix that
[10:41] <bullgard4> micha__: Please analyze your pm_utils log.
[10:42] <micha__> cat /var/log/??? bullgard4
[10:43] <Vorbote> bullgard4: usually X probes the EDID records in the monitor using I2C.
[10:45] <brynjolf> micha__: I have
[10:45] <micha__> brynjolf: you have what?
[10:46] <brynjolf> http://pastie.caboo.se/183411 <- what does X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 0)
[10:46] <brynjolf> problems with logging out
[10:46] <brynjolf> and ctrl alt backspace
[10:46] <brynjolf> mean?
[10:46] <ethana2> oooooh
[10:46] <ethana2> when colemak works properly, ctrl alt backspace will be one hand
[10:46] <micha__> yes i am doing that ... but i don't like it brynjolf
[10:46] <ethana2> that didn't occur to me before
[10:47] <bullgard4> Vorbote: What does Hardy do then in my laptop specifically where "~$ sudo get-edit | parse-edid; The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed. parse-edid: IO error reading EDID"?
[10:49] <centyx> hey... what's the default vnc daemon in hardy
[10:49] <centyx> i go to run vino-session and it isn't there
[10:49] <Vorbote> bullgard4: That's weird. Never seen that one. What toyu do you have? (BTW, you'll have to set your monitor settings by hand, "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg" will help there).
[10:49] <bluefox83> i'm currently letting my system upgrade to hardy, i'm wondering if i am going to have issues with my atheros wifi card, and intel soundcard...anyone know if the hardward support for these is any better than feisty?
[10:49] <micha__> bullgard4: you know how to fix the shutdown problem ... i have no pm_utis log file
[10:49] <bluefox83> are there going to be any installation problems?
[10:50] <scheuri> question: someone else also have the problem that networksettings (specifically DNS-Server) are not stored when entered in KNetworkManager? Whenever I reboot those DNS-Server settings are lost...this is on hardy
[10:51] <centyx> vinagre
[10:51] <centyx> that's it
[10:51] <yacc> pvandewyngaerde: Ok, it somehow works, but I had to patch /etc/network/ifup.d scripts => do I file a bug now?
[10:51] <micha__> scheuri: put them in /etc/resolv.conf
[10:52] <yacc> pvandewyngaerde: the wireless prescript leaves the interface up, which breaks setting the mac address.
[10:52] <scheuri> micha__: that is what I thought...but that makes the whole thing a bug then...:)
[10:52] <bullgard4> Vorbote: "~$ ding toyu; No definitions found for "toyu", perhaps you mean: gcide:  Toy  Tolu; wn:  toy  tofu  tolu; jargon:  toy  tofu." Please explain.
[10:53] <binarical-app> can someone tell me where i might find tweek knowers for my applications
[10:53] <centyx> hrm vinagre's not installed
[10:53] <binarical-app> specificly hydrogen and Ardour
[10:54] <Vorbote> bullgard4: I meant toy. (My bad, I blame it on the keyboard, it is a new layout after years of using a different one.)
[10:55] <bullgard4> Vorbote: This is a Fujitsu-Siemens laptop computer 'Amilo7600' or 'CY26' (in other countries).
[10:55] <binarical-app> the applications run .....scratchy, like they dont run smoothly .....any help anyone?
[10:56] <centyx> oh vinagre's the client
[10:56] <centyx> bleh
[10:56] <centyx> gar where'd vino-session go
[10:57] <binarical-app> i have 4 ghz of cpu so i doubt that its a hardware issue, is there some way to allocate more cpu to the process?
[10:57] <Vorbote> bullgard4: you may need a custom DSDT according to this post: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/amilo/message/1016
[10:57] <thoreauputic> heh -  Error: Unknown timezone: lowerslobovi
[10:57] <thoreauputic> oops wrong terminal :)
[10:58] <centyx> ah maybe vino-server now?
[11:00] <jimat> Hi all. I just did server installation then installed xorg, xterm, firefox, ... etc. When I try to configure xserver: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it stops at a point with message: FATAL: Error inserting battery (bla bla): No such device. What does it mean and how can I fix it?
[11:03] <centyx> that was it
[11:03] <centyx> and vinagre is nice
[11:04]  * binarical-app sits back patiently 
[11:04] <centyx> funny i sit in here talking to myself, answering my own questions
[11:05] <binarical-app> thats inteligence
[11:05] <centyx> binarical-app: :P
[11:06] <centyx> binarical-app: no, it's being slothful... asking in here first... and then when no one answers quickly, figuring it out like i would have done if i weren't so lazy to begin with
[11:08] <bullgard4> Vorbote: I insructed "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg" which led me through several dialogs. Will the result of this only become effective after I have done Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?
[11:08] <bullgard4> instructed
[11:08] <bardyr> !info mysql-server
[11:08] <ubotu> mysql-server (source: mysql-dfsg-5.0): MySQL database server (meta package depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 52 kB, installed size 88 kB
[11:08] <bardyr> will mysql 5.1 be included in hardy?
[11:09] <jimat> Never mind, it is reported as bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/154592
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154592 in ubuntu "[Xubuntu Gutsy] Error inserting battery on desktop pc" [Undecided,New]
[11:09] <Ronald> bardyr: nope
[11:10] <bardyr> Ronald, thats really sad :/
[11:10] <Ronald> they're like release candidate :)
[11:10] <bardyr> Ronald, not even in 8.04.1?
[11:10] <Ronald> nope
[11:10] <bullgard4> Vorbote: I considered the DSDT problem before. That is, when I run Gutsy. In Gutsy Ubuntu was able to determine the proper screen resolution and display letters in a GNOME terminal crisp.
[11:10] <Ronald> they don't upgrade within a release
[11:10] <Ronald> especially not something as significant as mysql
[11:12] <Vorbote> bullgard4: very strange. I do suspect it is a BIOS problem.
[11:12] <Ronald> i do expect it to be available from a -backports tree thhough
[11:14] <bullgard4> Vorbote: I presume that it cannot be a BIOS problem alone. I do not think that my upgrade has changed my BIOS. In Gutsy the GNOME terminal displayed letters crisp, in Hardy the GNOME terminal displays them blurred.
[11:16] <Vorbote> bullgard4: Ahh That's a different kettle of fish. In Hardy, afaik, freetype has enable subpixel dithering (a.k.a. "cleartype" functionality). Check your font appeareance settings.}
[11:17] <lumm_> are there any known issues with virtualbox?
[11:17] <nazgul> On startup I see the splash screen a few seconds but always followed by a switch to the statup text messasges. Is that on purpose? I came the way gutsy->hardy about 4 weeks ago
[11:18] <nazgul> Do you see this, too?
[11:18] <Vorbote> nazgul: perhaps you have some cruft left behind in the startup scripts...? Run "update-manager -p -d -c" to be sure.
[11:19] <nazgul> Vorbote: thanks I tried that but it is up-to-date
[11:20] <bullgard4> Vorbote: Do you refer to GNOME System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts (?) > Script rendering (?) > [Black-White, Best Form, Best contrast, Smooting using subpixels]?
[11:21] <Vorbote> nazgul: Hmm.... Try moving all the *-persistent-* files in /etc/udev/rules.d out of the way and running udevtrigger afterwards.
[11:21] <Vorbote> bullgard4: yes
[11:25] <nazgul> Vorbote: thanks did that will reboot now for testing
[11:26] <Vorbote> cross my fingers.
[11:27] <Volkodav> I just installed a release and none of my other partitons were mounted - I had to manually add all of them in fstab
[11:27] <bullgard4> Vorbote: No, it is not a matter of this. My Ubuntu is set to 'Black-White'. It has been set to Black-White in Gutsy too. (And in Gutsy no letters were displayed blurry.) In addition, Epiphany in Hardy displays letters such that I get the impression it uses a wrong screen resolution: not blurred but in a way 'displaced'.
[11:27] <friedtree> someone mentioned a fix for the firefox crashing on playing flash problems a day or two ago.  it was referenced to a launchpad url with a i386 binary to install.  i used this fix that ubotu suggested and it killed sound system wide, removed it, sound now only works in system but not in flash videos any ideas ?
[11:27] <Volkodav> anybody else with similar issue?
[11:28] <Vorbote> bullgard4: that's very strange. It seems like a problem with the X video driver.
[11:28] <friedtree> i'd like to restore sound to my system.  i am not concerned about firefox crashing.  i'm sure that will get fixed eventually.
[11:29] <bullgard4> Vorbote: The X video driver is 'vesa'.
[11:29] <Vorbote> bullgard4: Aha! That's the problem. You'll want the nv driver or the propietary one if using an Nvidia card.
[11:30] <Vorbote> bullgard4: the vesa driver always gives you that blurred look.
[11:31] <Vorbote> Make that the propietary driver if you want 3d effects. BTW, an updated DSDT will help with detecting the right video chipset.
[11:31] <bullgard4> Vorbote: So I will consider changing the X video driver. But 'vesa' has not produced a blurred look in Gutsy  > Black-White setting.
[11:32] <Vorbote> Hmm... That'll be because of the subpixel rendering changes in freetype.
[11:33] <bullgard4> Vorbote: Thank you for all your comments. I appreciate them.
[11:33] <Vorbote> :-)
[11:34] <friedtree> bullgard4, if you are using a nvidia card you want to be using 'nv' driver.  you can install restricted nvidia drivers through administration->hardware drivers
[11:36] <bullgard4> friedtree: "~$ lspci; VGA compatible controller: ATI Technoligies Inc Radeon Mobility U1"
[11:36] <friedtree> bullgard then you'd need ati'd driver and not vesa.  i'm not sure which one that is for that model but i'm guessing google would tell you
[11:37] <bbernie> anyone here have any success with the juniper networks vpn client in hardy
[11:37] <a_l_e> hello. is there a (good) way to edit the xorg configuration in ubuntu? ... gnome is correctly configured, but i can't find out which settings it is using.
[11:38] <a_l_e> ... it's about configuring the graphic card.
[11:38] <Volkodav> xrandr
[11:38] <bbernie> I had it working fine in 7.10, but in 8.04 they took away one of the shared libraries
[11:38] <a_l_e> ... some more information (and the steps i've already done) are referenced here: http://www.ideale.ch/computer/man/minipc.html
[11:38] <bbernie> ./ncsvc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:39] <WelshDragon> Helloooo. I've got a problem when logging in. I get two error messages referring to bonobo-activation and then nothing loads after that. The only way i can login to the system is by using Failsafe Gnome. Is it a common problem and if so how do you fix? Don't actually have the exact error message though :(
[11:39] <bbernie> apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3; yeilds no results
[11:40] <tuntun> how can I drag a selection rectangle in nuatilus?
[11:40] <bbernie> tuntun: left click and drag
[11:40] <a_l_e> is this http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/ already ported to hardy? how can i install/run it?
[11:41] <tuntun> bbernie, that only drags individual items, not a net though
[11:44] <tuntun> bbernie, that only drags individual items, not a net though
[11:44] <nazgul77> Vorbote: that was no good idea. PPPoE is broken now. I also cannot mount volumes without root permissions now :(
[11:45] <Vorbote> nazgul77: can you restore the old files?
[11:45] <bbernie> tuntun: I guess I dont understand what you are asking, I am able to select multiple files and then drag them once they are selected
[11:46] <binarical-app> how can i manually edit ardour to use my fast track firewire sound card as input
[11:46] <binarical-app> *jack
[11:46] <nazgul77> Vorbote: no I did not backup. they seemed to be old cruft to me. I removed only the *-persistent* files
[11:46] <binarical-app> where is jacks "preferances" or controlls
[11:47] <Vorbote> Yup those are cruft and regenerated by udev if not found.
[11:48] <nazgul77> Vorbote: besides I can still see all boot messages beginning with "reading files needed to boot"
[11:48] <nazgul77> whatever
[11:48] <friedtree> anyone use the fix possible flash firefox crashes fit that ubotu suggested a day or two ago ?  it caused me to lose sound system wide, removed it, sound is back except in flash videos.  not sure how to fix
[11:48] <tuntun> bbernie, I can drag multiple selected items also, its the selecting part that is causing problems, I cant drag a net around the items I want to select.
[11:48] <Vorbote> but... I made a mistake... the 60-* files are part of udev config (I didn't remember that, sorry). Do a "aptitude reinstall udev" to fix it
[11:48] <nazgul77> friedtree: this is what you have to live with as far as I know.
[11:49] <nazgul77> friedtree: I removed the flashsupport package and it works fine for me
[11:49] <nazgul77> Vorbote: already did that.
[11:50] <nazgul77> Vorbote: there is only one 60-* file 60-symlinks.rules now.
[11:50] <friedtree> nazgul77, very strange.  i removed the .deb that was referenced on launchpad.net and it restored sound to my system but not to flash videos.  i'm stumped.  i'd hate to reinstall because of this
[11:50] <nazgul77> friedtree: can you point us to that launchpad page?
[11:50] <friedtree> its not in my history any more
[11:50] <Vorbote> nazgul77: then rename the rules.d directory and reinstall.
[11:53] <nazgul77> Vorbote: that only restores  70-persistent-cd.rules  70-persistent-net.rules  . weired.
[11:54] <yacc> Hmmm, the wireless prescript leaves the interface up, which breaks setting the mac address.
[11:55] <Vorbote> didn't recreate the dir? Then copy the udev deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, open it with file-roller, extract the rules.d directory and copy over all the config files.
[11:58] <Sharpie> how can i know if my gfx card is supported?
[11:58] <bardyr> Sharpie, what is your card?
[11:58] <Sharpie> geforce 8600GT
[11:58] <bardyr> it's supported by nvidi-glx-new
[11:58] <Sharpie> well then, i have a bug
[11:59] <darthanubis> !hardware | Sharpie
[11:59] <ubotu> Sharpie: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[11:59] <Sharpie> when i install it and restart i get a minimal-graphics-mode screen or something where i'm asked to configure my card and screen
[11:59] <nazgul77> Vorbote: it did recreate rules.d but only put two files in it. ok Ill copy from the deb then
[12:01] <bardyr> Sharpie, is your system fully updated?
[12:01] <Sharpie> bardyr: yes, it's not a clean install btw, upgraded from gutsy
[12:01] <Vorbote> nazgul77: I'm thinking that the problem could be fragmentation. Unfortunately ext2 and ext3 can't do defragmentation safely. If you can boot from a live/rescue cd (RIP Linux is my fav) you can run fsck with the -D option to optimize directories. That'll speed up things a bit.
[12:01] <darthanubis> can't be both clean and upgraded
[12:02] <hyperair> hi. has anyone managed to get totem to use text subtitles?
[12:02] <hyperair> say .srt
[12:02] <Vorbote> Until we move to ext4 with online defragmentation. Perhaps by 8.10...
[12:02] <Sharpie> bardyr: i just installed the latest batch of updates but am afraid to try installing the drivers again (takes me about 2-3 restarts to get ubuntu working again)
[12:02] <hyperair> ext4? O_o
[12:04] <nazgul77> Vorbote: intresting I thought ext3 defragments 'automatically' when possible, i.e. enough disk space and (re)writing files.
[12:04] <topyli> fragmentation is not a problem
[12:04] <bardyr> Sharpie, sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh ; sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new --purge ; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:04] <darthanubis> ext3 bleh
[12:04] <topyli> that's why we never defragment
[12:05] <hyperair> what's wrong with ext3?
[12:05] <bardyr> Sharpie, then just restart X
[12:05] <hyperair> doesn't it auto-defrag?
[12:05] <hyperair> =\
[12:05] <topyli> hyperair: no, we don't do defrag
[12:05] <Vorbote> nazgul77: it does optimize allocations on disk, all decent filesystems do (that writes off fatN and ntfs by the way) but it still gets fragmented with time particularly if you write and delete lots of small files.
[12:06] <topyli> Vorbote: yes it gets fragmented but that is not a problem, which is why we don't "fix" it by defragging
[12:06] <Vorbote> topyli: go tell that to the ext developers.
[12:06] <Vorbote> And the ZFS and the XFS...
[12:07] <topyli> Vorbote: huh? since when did it become a problem? you're making this up :)
[12:08] <telexicon> this is rather unfortunate
[12:08] <telexicon> so after hardy is released
[12:08] <Vorbote> topyli: it's been a problem since the stone age. I'll concede I wasn't around in the Paleolithic, but in the Bronze Age (mid 80's) we would solve the issue by dumping and restoring :-)
[12:08] <telexicon> will there still be updates and bug fixes (other than security updates) ?
[12:08] <telexicon> for example, will firefox 3 be updated to final when that is released?
[12:09] <askand> ﻿bug 25931 is not fixed but it says fix released, should I file a new bugreport about that or use the same?
[12:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25931 in dbus "Failed to initalize HAL." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25931
[12:09] <bardyr> telexicon, yes
[12:09] <darthanubis> telexicon, of course
[12:09] <Vorbote> It is still the way you fix it in big iron and the BSDs
[12:09] <Idan> Hey All... Will Hardy be released with FF3 Beta 5 as default browser?
[12:09] <bardyr> Idan, yes
[12:09] <orvokki> Seems so.
[12:09] <Idan> Isn't that wrong ?
[12:10] <tuntun> Hi. I have a second partition that I mount only every so-often. When I browse through a folder with mixed contents, the 'Type' column only changes to the correct type when I highlight a file. This means that before I can sort by the type column I must first highlight over every file by holding the down arrow. This doesn't seem right. In addition, when I leave the folder and return the 'Type' column data has not been retained. What Is causing this problem?
[12:10] <tuntun>  I made a post about it at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4745733#post4745733
[12:10] <Vorbote> Idan: unless Mozilla manages to put out the RC this weekend I'd think
[12:10] <nazgul77> Idan: certainly since there is no final FF3
[12:10] <bardyr> Idan, it will be updated when FF 3 is released
[12:10] <orvokki> Idan: Would postponing Hardy release until July be more right?
[12:10] <telexicon> orvokki, possibly yes
[12:10] <Idan> orvokki, Hell no (!)
[12:10] <Vorbote> Absolutely, and you can count on having firefox3 updated with each security release for the next three years.
[12:10] <telexicon> or
[12:10] <telexicon> having a second release
[12:10] <Idan> I thought that both versions should be installed.
[12:11] <Idan> or atlease 8.04.1 like 6.06 had
[12:11] <Vorbote> 8.04.1 is already in the schedule.
[12:11] <telexicon> aha
[12:11] <Idan> Verbote, yeah, tentative
[12:11] <telexicon> i hadnt heard about that
[12:11] <Idan> Will FF3 final be distrubuted via regular repos or backports?
[12:12] <Greenery> i can't upgrade my Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 RC using the adept, i used the command but version upgrade didn't show up
[12:12] <Vorbote> ubuntu-updates most probably.
[12:12] <bardyr> Idan, regular, it will probably be in 8.04.1
[12:12] <Idan> If we all look back to 5.04 and 5.10, the FF version never changed. only patched with an internal ubuntu version.
[12:12] <orvokki> Hmm, does my system know if it's beta or RC and if it does, how do I ask it?
[12:13] <Vorbote> Greenery: can you use update-manager-core? Use it with the flags "-p -d -c"
[12:13] <Vorbote> orvokki: "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[12:13] <Vorbote> If it says 8.04 and your system is fully patched you are using the RC
[12:13] <orvokki> It does.
[12:13] <Greenery> Vorbote: how do i do that?
[12:14] <topyli> orvokki: it doesn't know whether it's alpha 1 or the RC. you know that it's the rc if it's up to date :)
[12:14] <telexicon> webdev toolbar supports firefox 3 now!
[12:14] <Idan> I really hope that the use of Beta5 won't cause extension hell for all users, as those who are upgrading from 7.10 will have to disable some extensions.
[12:14] <Vorbote> Greenery: open a Konsole, type "sudo -i" then "update-manager-core -p -d -c" That'll should work.
[12:14] <orvokki> telexicon: Awww. :/ Well, that's a piece of information you can only know by knowing your favourite mirror is up to sync... *sigh*
[12:14] <orvokki> topyli even
[12:15] <topyli> orvokki: why do you even care?
[12:15] <askand> ﻿ ﻿bug 25931 is not fixed but it says fix released, should I file a new bugreport about that or use the same?
[12:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25931 in dbus "Failed to initalize HAL." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25931
[12:15] <orvokki> Har.
[12:15] <Greenery> Vorbote: update-manager-core is not found
[12:16] <Vorbote> Idan: That's a problem with extension writers. Most are waiting for the final release, but there is an extension to fix the firefox max version (I can't recall its name off-hand)
[12:16] <orvokki> "This bug has 26 duplicates " XD
[12:16] <Idan> Vorbote MRTech Local Install
[12:16] <Idan> Vorbote: the first extension I always install.
[12:17] <bluefox83> i'm watching my system upgrade to hardy >.>
[12:17] <Vorbote> Greenery: OK the name changed.... The command is do-release-upgrade now
[12:17] <telexicon> firebug beta supports firefox 3 now
[12:17] <telexicon> good
[12:18] <telexicon> java finally got that xcb bug fixed
[12:18] <Greenery> Vorbote: instead of --dist-upgrade-proposed?
[12:18] <Vorbote> Greenery: the deb package is still called upgrade-manager-core. And yes, don't do a dist-upgrade it won't cover all the changes needed.
[12:18] <Sharpie> same story, started in low-graphics mode and had to boot in recovery mode to remove the nvidia drivers
[12:19] <bluefox83> oh shitmonkeys
[12:19] <bluefox83> i'm gonna have to remove the nvidia drivers aren't i?
[12:21] <lara> hello, i am trying to install hardy on a powerpc, I can't get the live cd to start, the only way i managed to get it to boot, is to set the yaboot
[12:21] <lara> option live-powerpc-nosplash
[12:21] <lara> but that drops me into a shell
[12:21] <lara> and i don't know what command to run to start installtion
[12:22] <Sharpie> nobody knows what to do? i don't wanna have to do a clean install :/
[12:22] <lara> ubiquity doesnt run, because x doesn't exist
[12:22] <lara> what is the text only alternative to ubiquity??
[12:22] <Greyhound-> will ubuntu and kubuntu 8.04 be released on the same date?
[12:23] <Greenery> Vorbote: i did do-release-upgrade, it said no new release found
[12:27] <bluefox83> i am really hoping this upgrade doesn't totally fubar my system...
[12:27] <bluefox83> i finally got stuff the way i want it :P
[12:28] <Vorbote> Greenery: what does /etc/lsb-release say?
[12:30] <Greenery> Vorbote: ubuntu 7.10
[12:31] <Vorbote> Greenery: Hmm... I think you'll need to enable gutsy-proposed and install the update-manager-core deb there.
[12:31] <murlidhar> the only thing that ubuntu irks me is upgrading .   i hope this time it upgrades smoothely and don't have to fresh install hardy
[12:31] <Greyhound-> just wait another 5 days for the stable release and then you can update normally
[12:32] <Dr_willis> I always do clean installs... :P
[12:32] <murlidhar> rc is as almost as stable . ain't it
[12:32] <Vorbote> That's correct. The updated update-manager files will show up as a regular update by then.
[12:32] <murlidhar> Dr_willis, clean installs are not my thingy
[12:33] <murlidhar> i don't want to reconfigure everything
[12:33] <murlidhar>  don't want to reinstall java flash codecs and all that
[12:33] <Jaymac> hmm, since the last update (I think) none of my music plays
[12:33] <Greyhound-> (14:32:16) (murlidhar) rc is as almost as stable . ain't it
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm installing the extra stuff like that takes me about 10 min. since i wrote a script. :)
[12:34] <Jaymac> it goes through all the motions, but will not actually play, and no time elapses.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> as for the configs.. I keep backups of what configs i change.
[12:34] <murlidhar> Greyhound-, so ?
[12:34] <Greyhound-> so that's why it's a release candidate and not a final release
[12:35] <murlidhar> i don't have time to spend on tweaking my os
[12:35] <murlidhar> that's why i prefer upgrading rather than fresh install
[12:36]  * murlidhar prays god for this smooth upgrading of os
[12:37] <murlidhar> feisty to gutsy was nighmare . broke sound and resolution
[12:38] <murlidhar> had to fresh install :(
[12:38] <Dr_willis> Now you know why i normally just do fresh installs.
[12:39] <Dr_willis> I cant even begin to imaginehow they test the upgrade process  to insure it works properly.
[12:39] <Dr_willis> Im suprised it works as well as it does.
[12:39] <bluefox83> i am going to be pissed if i have to do a fresh install...but i don't think i will
[12:39] <murlidhar> yeah i know . if ubuntu has to come in terms of usability to the masses then it has to consider for smooth upgrades
[12:41] <Dr_willis> given the disaster ive seen with windows 'upgrades' :) ubuntu does very well.
[12:41]  * maney chuckles.  compared to Windows upgrades, Debian has been a miracle for over a decade
[12:43] <murlidhar> maney, to get into the market don't u think ubuntu has to outperform specially when OS market is saturated with windows and osx
[12:43] <maney> speaking of upgrades, I have a couple machines that are still running Dapper, and I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that there's an upgrade path other than the four-step shuffle.
[12:44] <ethana2> If Shuttleworth was like a certain Jerry Yang
[12:44] <maney> "market" success is a whole different furball, and if technical superiority controlled Windows would have been forgotten shortly after OS/2 Warp was released.  IMHO.
[12:44] <Greenery> seems like "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" worked instead of --dist-upgrade-proposed
[12:44] <ethana2> really though, we are going to open a can of whoop -------- on Microsoft and Apple
[12:45] <ethana2> maney: WINE
[12:45] <ethana2> ..when we can run windows apps
[12:46] <ethana2> people will flock to us
[12:46] <ethana2> even before then really
[12:46] <ethana2> wine provides hope for the future
[12:46] <maney> WINE helps those who have already decided to escape from Vista :-)
[12:46] <ethana2> yup
[12:46] <ethana2> I've got like 5 or 6 pre converts waiting for Hardy
[12:47] <Dr_willis> I dont really care if people 'flock' to us or not.
[12:47] <ethana2> The next month will be amazing
[12:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:47] <ethana2> Creative and Lexmark do
[12:47] <murlidhar> vista !!!!!!!!!   i didn't have drivers for my monitor that supported
[12:47] <ethana2> ...and that is why I do
[12:47] <Dr_willis> i find people 'flocking' to linux for often the totally wrong reasons.. and then they get all mad when they realize its not windows...
[12:47] <ethana2> my people realize that you have to be different to be better
[12:48] <ethana2> i advise them to change no settings until they've used it for a month
[12:48] <linxeh> if they dont have sudo access there isnt much they can do that isnt easily fixed
[12:48] <Dr_willis> I just let the windows users at work watch me.. as i fix their systems, recover their lost vacation pictures, and scan for viruses, on their machihjes.. from my linux live cds :)
[12:48] <ethana2> I just want choices, Dell is a start
[12:48] <maney> So anyway... is this do-release-upgrade thing usable for "desktop" machines or not?  I see what looks like a showstopper bug, but I'm accustomed to upgrading machines over ssh rather than by wandering around, so I'd hope that gets (has been?) fixed...
[12:49] <ethana2> Dr_willis: nice
[12:49] <Dr_willis> Made $20 the other day for rescueing a cd full of vacation/baby pics. :P
[12:49] <|DuReX|> whats a good winamp clone in Ubuntu ?
[12:49] <ethana2> *sigh*
[12:49] <Dr_willis> |DuReX|,  i tend to use bmpx for my media playback needs
[12:49] <murlidhar> and if we support upgrades as smooth as knife on a butter then ppl will flock to ubuntu
[12:50] <linxeh> maney: I upgraded a feisty -> gutsy -> hardy server with X/Gnome on the other day over SSH with no issues
[12:50] <ethana2> we already compress them
[12:50] <thoreauputic> |DuReX|: audacious probably
[12:50] <Dr_willis> xmms is a winamp clone. but its out of date. and i dont suggest using it any more.
[12:50] <bluefox83> just wanted everyone to know i just did an upgrade to hardy on an HP dv5000 laptop and it went flawlessly :D
[12:50] <ethana2> binary patches and p2p are next
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: that's why I suggested audacious :)
[12:50] <rsk> Dr_willis: isn't out of date
[12:50] <murlidhar> i find exaile better in gnome desktop
[12:50] <thoreauputic> audacious is an updated xmms basically
[12:50] <Vorbote> maney: sure it is. As it is a cli affair, it works in server too. The OP runs Kubuntu and I'm not sure the default install has update-manager, I think not. There should be an option with adept but I'm not aware of any (haven't used KDE in any form in a long while).
[12:50] <Dr_willis> that xmms2 is going a very.. odd route.
[12:50] <rsk> xmms is updated regually
[12:51] <maney> linxeh: servers, one step at a time, sure.  not relevant, though :-/
[12:51] <rsk> just chek the cvs tree
[12:51] <rsk> and there was a pretty recent release
[12:51] <Dr_willis> rsk,  it dosent seem like it.. but i dont mess with it any more. since there are alternatives now.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> !info xmms
[12:51] <rsk> chek for yourself
[12:51] <ubotu> Package xmms does not exist in hardy
[12:51] <rsk> :)
[12:51]  * Dr_willis pokes the bot.
[12:51] <thoreauputic> rsk: still uses gtk 1.2 though, right? People like "pretty"
[12:51] <rsk> yes it uses gtk1
[12:51] <maney> maybe y'all haven't seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/151169
[12:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151169 in update-manager-core "do-release-upgrade to gutsy disables eth0" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:51] <Dr_willis> last i messed with xmms - had issues with it crashing the whole desktop. i forget why.
[12:51] <thoreauputic> rsk: nothing wrong with gtk 1, but people think it looks too retro
[12:52] <linxeh> maney: why? its *exactly* the same. its an install of ubuntu with X/Gnome on it, with ssh. whats the difference between that and a "desktop"
[12:52] <Vorbote> xmms was dropped from Sid a while ago therefore from universe as well. Use beep or audacious instead.
[12:52] <murlidhar> banshee music player
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rsk: audacious seems to fill the gap though
[12:52] <maney> yeyes, d-r-u works for servers - that's what it was designed for.  apparently there's something in the usual *desktop* setup (in Dapper) that makes it not work
[12:52] <Vorbote> The reasons where unfixed security bugs.
[12:52] <rsk> thoreauputic: it really dosen't it's crap compared to xmms
[12:52] <|DuReX|> thoreauputic: audacious looks ok :)
[12:53] <Vorbote> maney: then use the updated update-manager should be in dapper-proposed I think.
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Vorbote: beep seems to have gone for the "big window with lots of bells and whistles" style though
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Vorbote: bmp or whatevr it is now
[12:53] <maney> Vorbote: the point is to avoid running around and hand-holding each box in person
[12:53] <thoreauputic> |DuReX|: yes, audacious is quite nice
[12:54] <thoreauputic> rsk: I was't criticising xmms. I know it's a mature app with lots of options.
[12:54] <Dr_willis> i wonder which of these players have decent shoutcast/icecast streaming browsing of the available channels.
[12:54] <Vorbote> Ahh OK. ;-) I stick with Rhythmbox or foobar2k under wine for the rare APE things... So I'm not particularly savvy on audio playas
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: you want streamtuner
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: works well with either xmms or audacious
[12:55] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  ive been toying with 'tunapie' lately.. it tends to crash... a lot. :)
[12:55] <|DuReX|> prolly will just need to replace my VGA card
[12:55] <|DuReX|> stopid ATI shit drivers :)
[12:55] <murlidhar> can i continue my downloads from jigdo
[12:55] <bluefox83> ok, i don't remember...where do i go to reset the lighting in hardy?
[12:55] <bluefox83> my laptop is a bit dark for my tastes >.>
[12:56] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: have you tried streamtuner with audacious ? I like it. You can also rip streams from it if you install streamripper
[12:56] <Vorbote> I've been toying with the idea of finding a SiS-based vid card but I'm not sure abour 3-D effects. That seems to be an ATI/Nvidia/Intel affair.
[12:56] <murlidhar> it has to download 566 packages outta 1470 or so packages
[12:57] <murlidhar> i am saving a lot of bandwidth i guess
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> Sis is strictly 2d only
[12:57] <Dr_willis> been using kstreamripper for a few things.. but havent found a decent browser for the shoutcast streams other then tunapie. Checking out your suggestions now
[12:57] <bluefox83> hello? change brightness settings, anyone?
[12:57] <Vorbote> bluefox83: there is a brightness applet you can add to a GNOME panel
[12:57] <bluefox83> ah, ok, thanks
[12:57] <linxeh> Sis is strictly something else too
[12:57] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: stemtuner has a shoutcast plugin - shoutcast appears in a tab - you can do searches etc.
[12:58] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: it has other plugins as well - included in the base version - like xiph and google and a few others. Also your local collection.
[12:59] <bluefox83> ok..well
[12:59] <bluefox83> i'm off to the land of nod >.>
[12:59] <murlidhar> what is frequency scaling and why is it used?
[12:59] <Vorbote> linxeh: yes, nice chipsets though. I used to have a whitebox I built myself with one of those cheap PC-Chips boards and the video wasn't bad at all (and the sound had midi, yay!)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> umm s/stemtuner/streamtuner of course
[12:59] <Dr_willis> hah audacious has a plugin for my G15 keyboard lcd.. cool. :) first linux app ive seen that did that.
[12:59] <bluefox83> just want to tell the folks that worked on hardy, they did a standup job
[12:59] <murlidhar> bluefox83, cya bye
[13:00] <Vorbote> murlidhar: Most CPUs can change clock speed to save energy. That's the frequency scaling thingy.
[13:00] <simpson-fan> hi
[13:01] <murlidhar> Vorbote, u mean recend cpus
[13:01] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  Hmm.. streamtuner is defaulting to 'xmms' for its default app for many things.. since xmms is not in the repos any more.. could you consider this a bug?
[13:01] <simpson-fan> finally the window titlebar bug in the humantheme was fixed ;-)
[13:01] <murlidhar> my cpu doesn't support it
[13:01] <murlidhar>  that what applet from my panel says
[13:01] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: probably yes - you can change it in prefs of course
[13:02] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  trying to change it.. well looking at least where to change it..
[13:02] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: but yeah, looks like a bug to me :)
[13:02] <Vorbote> murlidhar: well... Anything after a P4 second gen and athlon-xps
[13:02] <jandem> hi, when i am downloading a big file (iso for example) it's almost impossible to browse with firefox
[13:02] <jandem> is it only me?
[13:02] <murlidhar> oh i have p4 1.5 from 2003
[13:02] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: Edit - Preferences -applications
[13:03] <Vorbote> If no hyperthreading probably not.
[13:03] <Dr_willis> Thats showing them.. but not leting me actually change them .
[13:03] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: click the filed and insert audacious %q
[13:03] <thoreauputic> *field
[13:03] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: double click to edit
[13:03] <Dr_willis> ahh.,., that dident LOOK like a clickable area. I was clicking to the left of the field
[13:04] <Dr_willis> sounds like another BUG report to me! :P
[13:04] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: heh :)
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> jandem: do DO realise what downloading does to your bandwidth?
[13:04] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: agreed that it isn't obvious
[13:04] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  and i cant seem to select/cut/paste from an earlier entry to the others either.
[13:04] <Dr_willis> that bit of the gui needs some work badly
[13:05] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: sensible-browser doesn't exist on Ubuntu either :)
[13:05] <Dr_willis> audacious %q
[13:05] <jandem> nosrednaekim: yes i do, but shouldn't i be able to continue browsing (maybe a bit slower) while downloading?
[13:05] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: umm -  do you mena "preselections" ?
[13:05] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  it does here i think - since i isntalled some extra debian compatiable packages..
[13:05] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: hmm OK
[13:06] <Dr_willis> cant even right click to 'copy' so i can paste to the other areas to replace xmms. :) i would be faster if i just makde a link from /bin/xmms to /bin/audacious :)
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> jandem: that would depend.
[13:06] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  when you double chick to   change the text. it auto selectes it.. so that clear out my text selection heh heh.. how annoying
[13:06] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: the Debian Way would be dpkg-divert I suppose :) A synlink seems like overkill though - just type it in!
[13:07] <Dr_willis> 4 times.. :0
[13:07] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: happy bug reporting - it' sin Universe so I doubt that it will be fixed for hardy - maybe backports?
[13:08] <jandem> nosrednaekim, maybe it's because of my proxy, but i have to pause the download when i want to browse to another website,
[13:08] <Dr_willis> There we go.. select the text.. delete it.. then WHEN i select the blank it dosent clear the buffer.
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Its the little things that annoy you so badly. heh
[13:08] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: only once - once you have it set streamtuner is great
[13:09] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: but your points still stnad of course :)
[13:09] <thoreauputic> *stand
[13:09] <Dr_willis> I was thinking about the other users that may want to use it.
[13:09] <thoreauputic> right
[13:09] <Dr_willis> on the same system. But oh well..  i see a lot of rough edges in many of the less commonly used packages
[13:09] <Dr_willis> Time to Jam to some Kenny G.
[13:10] <Hewus> I've read that with GVFS, we are now able to restore files from the garbage bin. I've deleted a file to test it, but can't find any restore option. Anyone know where this option is?
[13:10] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: don't forget streamripper - one click from streamtuner to rip streams
[13:11] <Dr_willis> ive been using kstreamripper on and off. to get some shows from shoutcast tv. :) but i have a hard time finding anything worth ripping.
[13:11] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: ah, separate issue :)
[13:12] <Dr_willis> Yea. Id like to find more shoutcast tv type streaming sites.. but cant seem to find any.
[13:12] <Lynoure> Hewus: it has not been possible before? Isn't that the very idea of garbage bins?
[13:13] <Lynoure> Hewus: if you delete stuff from command line, I don't think it ends in the garbage bin at all
[13:13] <Lynoure> (but, I'm not on Gnome)
[13:13] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: there was an app called "democracy" - it changed name and I can't remember the new one
[13:13] <Dr_willis> Ive seen some 'rm' to trash  variants also.
[13:13] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  miro :)
[13:13] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: ah yes, thanks :)
[13:14] <Dr_willis> thoreauputic,  it seems to only find these little 4 min or so video webcasts. which are nice.. but not what i wanted.
[13:14] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I guess it would be easy at least to alias rm to a transbinning alternative
[13:14] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: what do you want?
[13:14] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  but then how to actually remove stuff from the trash. :)
[13:14]  * Lynoure has too much stuff on Miro, <3 TED
[13:15] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  been trying to track down a site that works basicially like shoutcast tv. with  shows/movies and so forth for the wife to watch.
[13:15] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: Oh, I don't know anything at all about shoutcast
[13:15] <drbobb> hello. should i expect trouble w/wifi if i upgrade to the hardy beta?
[13:15] <Hewus> Lynoure: It's in the garbage bin. I can manually copy stuff back, but Windows had a "restore" option as it remembered where the item originally came from. I read that GVFS allowed the use of this option now, that's all
[13:15] <Dr_willis> I will admit that the various tv sites, and so forth have been putting more and more 'legal' videos on their sites for her to watch.
[13:15] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: the alias need not have "rm -f" I suppose - to empty the diverted trash you could add -f
[13:15] <Lynoure> Hewus: weird if Gnome would not.. KDE certainly does
[13:15] <Dr_willis> but she wants to just sit back and watch some streams so often.
[13:16] <drbobb> (btw if `rm' is an alias, `\rm' will call the real rm)
[13:16] <Hewus> Lynoure: KDE has a "restore" option; eg. from right clicking on the file in the bin?
[13:16]  * Dr_willis goes off to find some classical 'techo' remix radio stations.
[13:16] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: What kind of shows/videos?
[13:16] <thoreauputic> drbobb: nice
[13:17] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  things women like. :) Lifetime movies, chick-flicks , things guys hate..but you go watch any way with the GF. to make her happy.
[13:17] <Lynoure> Hewus: I'll have to delete something in order to see how one gets it, but somewhere there, yes
[13:17] <Amaranth> Hewus: gvfs sets up the infrastructure so such a feature can be implemented in nautilus but it is still quite a bit of work to implement in nautilus
[13:17] <goodhabit> Hello. How can I setup sound mixing @ hardy? Since update from gutsy it was gone.
[13:17] <jblack> speaking of tv...
[13:17] <Hewus> Amaranth: ah ic, so there is no actual function there for now. Thanks for clearing that up.
[13:17] <drbobb> well? how about sharing some experiences about hardy vs wireless
[13:18] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I like TED, What you ought to know, and BoingBoing...
[13:18] <Amaranth> Hewus: I don't know why the hardy release announcements mentioned it as if we had it now
[13:18] <Amaranth> Even when you understand that they mean we can get it later it wouldn't be in hardy so it is worthless to mention
[13:18] <nomasteryoda> i replaced my network-manager on hardy... and gutsy before that with wicd ... seems better
[13:19] <nomasteryoda> for wireless and wired
[13:19] <nomasteryoda> jmho, or ymmv
[13:19] <Dr_willis> I wonder if theres a 'dr demento' web radio station somewhere... :)
[13:19] <Amaranth> wicd doesn't work with compiz :)
[13:20] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: She might like Threadbanger on Miro, DIY craft stuff, that
[13:20] <Vorbote> drbobb: wireless works fine with my radio (an intel 3945) as long as the wpa protected networks broadcast an ESSID.
[13:20] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: and I've really never met anyone who did not like TED Talks
[13:20] <nomasteryoda> really? hmm, been working fine here... network-applet is slow to respond...
[13:20] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  yea. she wants stuff she can watch for hours on end.. and not 'predownload' and wait. she hates waiting.
[13:20] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  thats why i was looing at the various show streams. not web-type-casts
[13:21] <drbobb> Vorbote: thx, but i guess intel's chips have been supported for a long time
[13:21] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: if one keeps Miro on, it keeps on getting stuff on it's own, so there is a buffer big enough to keep a tv addict happy
[13:21] <drbobb> my q is about broadcom, up to now every upgrade has meant a day-long struggle to me
[13:21] <drbobb> to get it back into working condition
[13:22] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  shes the kind of person that can watch little house reruns for weeks on end. but then she gets in a movie mood. and i gotta try to keep the wife happy. I guess i could put miro on her machine for her to try out. But thats yet ANOTHER player/tool for her to mess with. Shes been happy with Hulu.com and veoh lately
[13:22] <Lynoure> drbobb: Which broadcom? NetXtreme BCM5751M Gigabit has been totally hasslefree for me
[13:23] <Vorbote> drbobb: It's a shame broadcom is so despondent with us Linux users.
[13:23] <drbobb> bcm4318
[13:24] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: hmm, haven't tried Hulu, I think there was some limitation keeping me from it (and never heard of veoh)
[13:24] <Vorbote> Well, there is a bcm43xx driver in hardy's kernel. Could be this is the one for you.
[13:25] <drbobb> Vorbote: there has been one since gutsy
[13:25] <drbobb> but it's not stable enough for actual usage
[13:25] <Vorbote> That's a pity.
[13:25] <Vorbote> using ndiswarpper and fw-cutter is not my idea of fun.
[13:25] <drbobb> and ndiswrapper tends to suffer from incompatibilities
[13:26] <thoreauputic> drbobb: depends on the card - it works well on my iBook with a Broadcom 4306 chip
[13:26] <thoreauputic> ( bcm43xx)
[13:26] <drbobb> meaning i usually need to build it from recent source
[13:26] <thoreauputic> drbobb: actually it's been around since at least dapper
[13:27] <thoreauputic> it needs firmware though - bcm-fwcutter or something like that to install the firmware
[13:27] <drbobb> thoreauputic: that may be, and the reason i can't recall it was is probably that i couldn't get it to work at all at those times
[13:27] <thoreauputic> I used cafuego's deb
[13:28]  * thoreauputic looks for the url
[13:28] <Tomcat_> Can anybody help me with LiveCD persistence? It seems to not work at all in the RC.
[13:28] <drbobb> the packaged fwcutter does do its job fine, though
[13:29] <Tomcat_> USB stick works normally, casper-rw (ext3) is on there, "persistent" keyword on kernel cmdline... still nothing.
[13:29] <Tomcat_> Logs don't mention any persistent things at all (syslog, casper.log)
[13:29] <thoreauputic> bcm43xx deb: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/   <--should work on hardy: it's just firmware
[13:29] <Tyczek> hi... I have a question... which version of Ati drivers is in restricted manager?
[13:29] <Tomcat_> Oh... now I'm seeing something.
[13:30] <thoreauputic> drbobb: yes I think fwcutter downloads nad installs now, right?
[13:30] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  veoh has flash shows.. and under windows their own 'player' that  works decently well. Free shows. decent quailty. with ads.. :( but not too bad.
[13:30] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: not in Linux at all?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> the special player is windows only. wine cant runit
[13:31] <drbobb> thoreauputic: yes it was ok in gutsy, it was the driver itself (bcm43xx) that didn't work reliably
[13:32] <drbobb> ndiswrapper still works a lot better, though i do blame it for my machine freezing once or twice a week
[13:32] <thoreauputic> drbobb: I think the guys reverse-engineering it have a list of supported chips on their site. I was lucky - mine seems to be well supported
[13:33] <thoreauputic> drbobb: the fact that they got it working at all is impressive - Broadcom are notoriously uncooperative
[13:33] <drbobb> thoreauputic: yes i know, and i do appreciate that
[13:34] <thoreauputic> :)
[13:34] <drbobb> still, i don't want to reboot to windows any time i don't have a eth socket around
[13:35] <thoreauputic> drbobb: I didn't really have a choice - my iBook is ppc so ndiswrapper isn't an option
[13:36] <thoreauputic> drbobb: and i don't run OS-X any more :)
[13:36] <x0x>  hello. is there any way to run .exe file in text mode?
[13:37] <Tomcat_> x0x: wine /path/to/.exe ?
[13:38] <thoreauputic> x0x: but I doubt that your exe will run *in* the terminal :) Unless it's DOS or something...
[13:40] <Tomcat_> x0x: For DOS .exes, try "dosbox" package
[13:40] <x0x> !dosbox
[13:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:40] <x0x> Tomcat_
[13:40] <x0x> where to get it?
[13:40] <Tomcat_> !package dosbox
[13:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:40] <Tomcat_> Gah.
[13:41] <Tomcat_> x0x: It's in the repos.
[13:41] <thoreauputic> !info dosbox
[13:41] <ubotu> dosbox (source: dosbox): A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72-1.1build1 (hardy), package size 654 kB, installed size 2120 kB
[13:41] <Tomcat_> x0x: sudo apt-get install dosbox
[13:41] <Tomcat_> Thx thoreauputic. :D
[13:41] <x0x> ok thanks :D
[13:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[13:42] <ligemeget> Someone please help - I've just (re)installed Ubuntu Hardy through Wubi, but every time I try to boot it up, it freezes at "Activating swapfile swap"
[13:43] <ligemeget> And I have tried booting in recovery-mode - same problem
[13:43] <x0x> ThomasD
[13:43] <hyperair> hi. did anybody manage to get srt subtitles working in totem?
[13:43] <x0x> thoreauputic, its installed
[13:43] <x0x> how to i use it?
[13:43] <thoreauputic> x0x: no idea - I have no use for it here
[13:43] <x0x> ok
[13:44] <x0x> Tomcat_ can you help me?
[13:44] <Vorbote> hyperair: rename the srt exactly as the video file, replace the extension from <.whatever> to .srt and make sure they are in the same directory
[13:44] <Tomcat_> x0x: There are guides & tutorials on the net... don't really have time to help you there, sorry. :)
[13:44] <hyperair> Vorbote: did that
[13:44] <thoreauputic> x0x: I suppose you read the manual ?
[13:44] <x0x> ;s
[13:44] <hyperair> Vorbote: doesn't show up under View->Subtitles
[13:44] <Vorbote> No joy? Weird...
[13:44] <ligemeget> Why won't it activate the swap?!
[13:45] <hyperair> not only that...
[13:45] <Vorbote> Has the smell of a bug.
[13:45] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63713/
[13:45] <hyperair> i right clicked on the item in the right panel
[13:45] <Tomcat_> x0x: Basically, create a config file (example should be in /usr/share/doc/dosbox), mount your directories as DOS drives ("help" in DOSbox), then run DOSBox with the config file... run your game.
[13:45] <murlidhar> got problems
[13:45] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63713/
[13:45] <hyperair> and clicked "use text subtitle"
[13:45] <hyperair> and then foudn the srt file
[13:45] <hyperair> and it still didn't work
[13:45] <hyperair> <=O
[13:46] <ShackJack> Hi Herons, since the -16 kernel upgrade been having issues with getting fglrx driver and compiz to run. fglrx driver installed but not showing in restricted drivers. I installed package from AMD site, but when I try to start desktop effects I get to window decorations and no actual effects. Any ideas? (tried reinstalling compiz packages)
[13:46] <ShackJack> *no window decorations
[13:46] <x0x> i am getting a error
[13:46] <thoreauputic> !ati
[13:46] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:47] <ShackJack> thoreauputic: Yes, the driver is installed (althoough the one from repos wouldn't work) says installed but not showing up in restricted drivers. Having an issue with compiz though... Direct rendering is on and fglrx driver is aactive...
[13:48] <thoreauputic> ShackJack: you have my sympathy... I have never needed to wrestle with an ati card. I have nvidia, which seems to work OK. Wish the Nouveau drivers were finished though...
[13:49] <ligemeget> Okay, since I didn't get any response, i skipped it by pressing ctrl + alt + del
[13:49] <Vorbote> murlidhar: it seems you'll have to finish your download with rsync
[13:49] <thoreauputic> ShackJack: sometimes there are posts on the ubuntuforums that deal with recent issues about ati etc. Might be worth a look
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: why didn't you install the oens from the repositories?
[13:49] <ShackJack> thoreauputic: The driver was working rather excellent up until the -15 kernel, then for some reason wasn't active and not showing in restricted drivers until I installed from AMD... It's the compiz which is evidentally having issue...
[13:50] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: Sorry, the oens?
[13:50] <thoreauputic> ShackJack: wish I could help, but I can't, sorry
[13:50] <murlidhar> Vorbote, so i have to download the iso all over again?
[13:50] <ShackJack> thoreauputic: That's O.K. - supposedly there are 374 other ppl here - maybe one of them can help...
[13:50] <murlidhar> !rsync
[13:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: ones.... you don't NEED the restricted drivers manager to install them from the repositories
[13:51] <thoreauputic> ShackJack: if you look on the forums, read critically: the advice is not always accurate, but some posts are very good
[13:51] <Vorbote> murlidhar: no. You can use the .tmp image you have already to complete the download with rsync
[13:51] <Vorbote> On how to do that...
[13:51] <murlidhar> Vorbote, :) and how to use rsync
[13:51] <ligemeget> !swap
[13:51] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[13:51] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: I had, but they wouldn't show up under Restricted drivers manager and fglrxinfo showed the MESA driver in use when trying to install from repos (though not so with -15 kernel)... So I tried get latest driver from AMD site
[13:52] <Vorbote> Let's see if I find a step by step guide...
[13:52] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: Though when switching compiz it insisted on regetting the xorg-driver-fglx from the repos
[13:53] <Vorbote> murlidhar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RsyncCdImage
[13:53] <murlidhar> Vorbote, thanks
[13:53] <ShackJack> Of course I have a terrible feeling if I reinstall from scratch everything will be peachy...
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: sounds like a driver mismatch then
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: remove the manually installed at drivers...
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> *ati
[13:54] <thoreauputic> ShackJack: If ati is like nvidia, the repo drivers might conflict with the amd ones (just a guess from bitter past experience with nvidia)
[13:54] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: I guess... but then shouldn't *everybody* on hardy with fglrx be experiencing the same thing - I havn't heard otherwise
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> there should be an uninstall script in /usr/share/ati
[13:54] <YeaSt> anyone knows how to install live cd to hard disk from command line?
[13:54] <Dr_willis> The desktop cd/live cd. does not have the command line installer.
[13:54] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I hear ya... I might as well since it's not doing me any good...
[13:55] <Dr_willis> at least i dont think it does. It dident used to.
[13:55] <thoreauputic> YeaSt: currently I doubt that you can - youneed tha "alternate" disc
[13:55] <Vorbote> murlidhar: if cdimage.ubuntu.com is not accepting rsync connections, there are several mirrors that do. I tend to use ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net
[13:55] <YeaSt> thoreauputic: yes, I aggree. however I only have live cd currently
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: I have it all working and I simply installed from the repositories
[13:56] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: Yeah, so I wonder why the differnece... which card do you have?
[13:56] <|DuReX|> When I try to set my wlan0 card into ad-hoc/master, I get Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
[13:56] <|DuReX|>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.
[13:56] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: I was working fine until the -16 kernel upgrade... But even when I fall back to -15 driver is active but no compiz
[13:56] <thoreauputic> YeaSt: the only other way I can think of is to use debootstrap - but that is a whole topic in itself
[13:56] <|DuReX|> means driver doesn't support it ? or ? :)
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> ShackJack: Xpress1100
[13:56] <ShackJack> nosrednaekim: I have Mobility X1400
[13:56] <murlidhar> Vorbote, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-amd64.iso
[13:57] <murlidhar> Vorbote, so what exactly the command i should put into
[13:57] <YeaSt> thoreauputic: thax
[13:57] <mooboo1> i got gnome-language-pack-en from update manager, why? i thought there were language string freeze?
[13:57] <ShackJack> I dunno this time around I have some other problems with gconf daemon, etc.. culdn;t resolve and did a fresh install which fixed things... I hope I don't have to do it again - not that it's a problem, but this stuff seemed to be a bit more fixable before (reinstall package, etc...)
[13:58] <thoreauputic> YeaSt: there are tuorials about debootstrap install - it;s the same for Debian or Ubuntu, but it involves some fiddling around.
[13:58] <thoreauputic> YeaSt: and some bandwidth :)
[14:01] <murlidhar> Vorbote, can u tell me the exact command line to use rsync
[14:02] <murlidhar> Vorbote, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso
[14:03] <Tomcat_> murlidhar: Backup first, but I think "rsync <from> <to>" should work fine.
[14:04] <ty> has anyone been able to get toshset working on hardy?
[14:05] <murlidhar> Tomcat_, i am actually trying to use rsync cuz jigdo failed downloading some files . so how do i take the broken download .
[14:06] <Vorbote> murlidhar: (went for some coffee). rsync -PvL ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net::ubuntu-releases/.pool/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso.tmp
[14:06] <Vorbote> change isos name accordingly.
[14:07] <Vorbote> s/name/names/
[14:07] <murlidhar> it is alterate cd
[14:07] <Vorbote> change desktop to alternate
[14:07] <maney> well, all that worrying about what do-release-upgrade might screw up on a desktop was pointless... what is does is throw up its hands and abort the upgrade.  pfui.
[14:08] <Vorbote> murlidhar: you can rename your tmp file to simple .iso and use that name instead (or a dot as in the wiki example)
[14:09] <Vorbote> The dot means there is a file with the same name as the remote file in the working directory.
[14:09] <murlidhar> already given the command :9
[14:09] <murlidhar> already given the command :(
[14:10] <Vorbote> Use control-c and fix your paths, nothing is lost (as long as you use -PL)
[14:11] <murlidhar> Vorbote, now i get 0%
[14:11] <murlidhar> i used -PvL as u gave
[14:12] <murlidhar> i backed up the temp file before
[14:12] <murlidhar> :0
[14:12] <Vorbote> murlidhar: check you are using as target the name of your already existing file (the .tmp file)
[14:12] <ty> can anyone help with this error? "required kernel toshiba support not enabled"
[14:12] <Lynoure> ty: What context?
[14:12] <murlidhar> Vorbote, the temp file is in home directory
[14:13] <Vorbote> ty "sudo modprobe toshiba_acpi. Add to /etc/modules to have it loaded at boot time.
[14:13] <ty> Lynoure: i am trying to use toshset and get that error
[14:14] <ty> Vorbote: get error "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device
[14:14] <ty> "
[14:14] <Lynoure> ty:  you can load the modules manually... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/toshset/+bug/181374  so maybe a known bug
[14:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181374 in toshset "toshset required kernel toshiba support not enabled." [Undecided,New]
[14:15] <ty> So if there is a bug its just a matter of waiting?
[14:15] <Lynoure> might be missing from the kernel altogether, then.
[14:15] <Vorbote> murlidhar: place yourself in the home directory and use the name of the file as local target (go back in your shell history and edit it as needed)
[14:15] <Vorbote> Lynoure: "locate toshiba" will tell you
[14:15] <Lynoure> ty: makes sense to sign in that bug report, mark it confirmed, as the previous people have not, I think
[14:16] <murlidhar> Vorbote, done now it working but it is showing 41% only
[14:16] <Vorbote> OK you are saving the already downloaded bits. You are on your way.
[14:16] <Lynoure> Vorbote: I'm not the person with the toshiba, I don't know if I have same kernel here, 2.6.24-16-generic here, don't know which flavour ty has
[14:16] <murlidhar> Vorbote, do i have to jigdo again to take the beta cd
[14:16] <Vorbote> Lynoure: yep I missed that one.
[14:16] <fromport> $ lsmod|grep tos -> toshiba_acpi           12100  0
[14:17] <Vorbote> murlidhar: for the beta no. For the final release yes.
[14:17] <fromport> echo "toshiba_acpi" >> /etc/modules
[14:17] <ty> would this have something to do with tit? when i try install fnfxd i get this error after its instralled "Please make sure that your kernel has enabled the Toshiba option in the ACPI section.
[14:17] <ty> "
[14:18] <Lynoure> ty: my kernel seems to have those modules, at least. Which kernel you have? ( uname -a  tells you)
[14:18] <pvandewyngaerde> on the kubuntu 7.10 cd, there is qtparted, a gui partition editor on the live cd,  but none once installed , is there one with hardy ?
[14:18] <murlidhar> Vorbote, i have the beta cd . and it covered 41% of the rc
[14:19] <Vorbote> murlidhar: that about it. I updated my copies with jigdo and the download was about that.
[14:19] <ty> Lynoure: Linux tyron-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:19] <fromport> lynoure: apt-cache search qtparted  -> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[14:19] <Lynoure> fromport: öh, why?
[14:19] <murlidhar> Vorbote, so what has jigdo done till now .
[14:19] <ty> where is the acpi section of the kernel?
[14:20] <fromport> lynore: sorry : was mentfor pvandewyngaerde
[14:20] <swuboo> Lynours:  UI think that was directed at pvandewyngaerde.
[14:20] <swuboo> Gack, that was like like a forest of typos.
[14:20] <murlidhar> Vorbote, probably i didn't have to use jigdo instead just use rsync to download the rc package
[14:20] <Lynoure> fromport: heh, we don't look that alike, I think =)
[14:20] <fromport> hehe
[14:21] <fromport> no evil twins ? ;-)
[14:21] <Vorbote> murlidhar: you could have used the jigdo tmp iso file and would have reused whatever youhad already downloaded.
[14:21] <Lynoure> fromport: I am the evil twin :) but not of pvandewyngaerde, no, never met her.
[14:21] <pvandewyngaerde> her ?  i am male
[14:22] <orvokki> Can't be identical then. ^^
[14:22] <Clinteger> Hey, I burned 8.04 to a DVD+RW and its not booting from the CD on my laptop, maybe its a problem with the DVD+RW, I'm not sure. How would I go about upgrading an old version of ubuntu that I have on a CD to 8.04?
[14:22] <murlidhar> Vorbote, jigdo temp file has just 41% of the rc ? what % has my beta cd then?
[14:22] <Clinteger> apt-get upgrade should suffice, or is there more to be done?
[14:23] <fromport> my opinion: try and reinstall 8.04 (hardy) fresh. the upgrades i did weren't 100% faultles
[14:23] <fromport> +s
[14:23] <orvokki> There really are guides for this in the links in the topic...
[14:23] <Lynoure> pvandewyngaerde: :) yep, not identical then. Nice to meet you though, whichever gender.
[14:23] <ty> how do you confirm a bug?
[14:23] <Lynoure> pvandewyngaerde: this channel can sure use another kubuntu user.
[14:24] <swuboo> Anyone know offhand if the RC now replaces the ALSA SDL lib with the Pulseaudio SDL lib?
[14:24] <fromport> ty: in general : if it's on thebuglist allready: no need to confirm it (my opinion)
[14:24] <Clinteger> hmm..
[14:24] <Lynoure> ty: log into launchpad, go to the bug, then press on the drop menu where New is, and enter Confirmed as the new status.
[14:25] <Clinteger> orvokki, sorry, forgot to mention I only have 7.04, the guide only shows from 7.10 or 6.06 :/
[14:25] <Clinteger> oh.
[14:25] <Clinteger> it appears I have a 6.10 cd :D
[14:26] <Clinteger> nevermind :D
[14:26] <fromport> clinteger: update all paths in /etc/apt/sources.list -> aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
[14:26] <Clinteger> fromport, aptitude? o.o
[14:26] <Clinteger> oook
[14:27] <orvokki> fromport: Definitely not the recommended or official way. :P
[14:28] <orvokki> Just try the alt+f2 update-manager --devel-release or whatever.
[14:28] <bobbo85> hi all, is there any way to convert an encrypted m4p to an mp3 in ubuntu?  My friend put one of his purchased songs on my ipod and i can't even play it on my computer without converting it first!
[14:28] <fromport> orvokki: why not recommended ?
[14:29] <murlidhar> ok 348 files could not be downloaded using jigdo . what is to be done ? can be it done by rsync ?
[14:29] <orvokki> fromport: Does it say in any of Hardy guides you should do it?
[14:29] <Lynoure> Uh, latest upgrades seem to have broken Flash videos in my Konqueror/akregator. Is that common?
[14:29] <swuboo> orvokki:  I think that would be an indication of the fact that it is *not* recommended, rather than an explanation of *why*.
[14:30] <swuboo> s/fact/*fact*, s/*not*/not
[14:30] <orvokki> swuboo: I'm not certain. I've heard of complaints with dist-upgrade messing up the system.
[14:31] <Clinteger> yeah, i've heard it too
[14:31] <Clinteger> see I'm not a noob to linux, just don't like buying more CDs :p
[14:32] <fromport> clinteger that's why they invented cd-RW's ;-)
[14:32] <Clinteger> fromport, yeah, I only have dvd+rws.
[14:32] <Clinteger> and that didnt work :|
[14:32] <Clinteger> it might just be my laptop's drive, or something, but it sits and beeps a couple times
[14:32] <Clinteger> SHIT
[14:32] <Clinteger> that was loud.
[14:33] <Clinteger> the startup sound on the livecd is at max volume >.<
[14:33] <murlidhar> ok 348 files could not be downloaded using jigdo . what is to be done ? can be it done by rsync ?
[14:33] <murlidhar> anybody
[14:33] <murlidhar> !enter > Clinteger
[14:34] <Clinteger> thanks murlidhar like i've never heard that before.
[14:35] <fromport> murlidhar: why not a regular http/ftp download ?
[14:35] <Lynoure> Seems it wanted to pull konqueror-plugin-gnash in :/
[14:36] <murlidhar> Clinteger, you are welcome :)
[14:36] <murlidhar> fromport, i don't want to download the whole iso
[14:41] <crimsun> DanaG: I'm not convinced using CARD= would be any saner than hard-coding slots (via snd.ko) or indices (via snd-foo.ko)
[14:41] <Exilant> Lynoure: flash in konqui hasn't worked in a wjile for me
[14:42] <Lynoure> Exilant: worked before yesterday to me
[14:42] <afd__> hi! Is it just me having problems with firebug (any version) and firefox 3 beta 5?
[14:42] <afd__> basically, the firebug panel won't open
[14:46] <Lynoure> Exilant: but I'm on a 32bit system, still...
[14:47] <Exilant> me too
[14:47] <Exilant> dunno, do you use flashplugin-nonfree?
[14:48] <Lynoure> Exilant: yes.
[14:48] <Lynoure> Exilant: or did... I don't know what else change other than the upgrades pulling the gnash plugin
[14:49] <Lynoure> Exilant: brb, experimenting
[14:49] <Exilant> not for me
[14:49] <Exilant> maybe i'll install that plugin then :)
[14:51] <Exilant> you can change the app to handle flash in konqi in settings, conf. konq, file assoc, application/x-shockwave-flash, embedded
[14:52] <crimsun> afd__: no, it's a known issue.
[14:53] <Lynoure> Exilant: seems to work again :)
[14:53] <afd__> crimsun: ok. Should I wait for a firefox update or firebug update?
[14:54] <Lynoure> Exilant: took removing konqueror-plugin-gnash and flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstalling the latter and logging back in (to purge any memories of konqueror, I guess I have preloading for it)
[14:55] <Exilant> ah right, you had to reinstall flashplugin-nonfree, updating wasn't enough afair
[14:56] <Exilant> i'll try that, thanks
[14:56] <Lynoure> Exilant: let me know how it went, afterwards
[15:00] <WelshDragon> Hey, How can i enable remote desktop using the terminal?
[15:06] <kaminix> Since upgrading to Hardy, my networking has been really slow (topping at like 60 kbps, usually around 0 to 25 kbps, lot of connection drops). Anyone who knows how to solve this? RT2500-card, worked fine before.
[15:08] <Lynoure> kaminix: and you have ruled out problems in the network (cables, ISP)?
[15:08] <fromport> kaminix: what was the speed before ? measured to/from what server ? traceroute ? how are you connected ? please use pastebin service for your output: eg: http://pastebin.ca
[15:08] <kaminix> Lynoure: Well, it's wireless and the connection to the router interface is slow aswell.
[15:09] <pihhan> hello
[15:09] <kaminix> fromport: The top BitTorrent speed I've enjoyed lies around 500-600 kpbs I think; other than that I'm not sure.
[15:09] <Lynoure> kaminix: hmm, I think I'll let someone else do wlan troubleshooting... too lenghty, usually
[15:10] <fromport> kaminix: ping -c 100  [gatewayipaddress
[15:10] <fromport> gives you lot of packetloss?
[15:10] <kaminix> Now I'm getting good Google ping times as well, around 30ms. Had like 3000 before.
[15:10] <kaminix> fromport: gateway = my router, right?
[15:10] <theDtTvB2|Hardy> After upgrading to Hardy miro stopped working. It says "no module named xlibhelper". What should I do?
[15:11] <kaminix> fromport: Running it now.
[15:12] <pihhan> is some official way to unmount user mounted device not in /etc/fstab?
[15:12] <kaminix> fromport: 0% packet loss it says.
[15:13] <thoreauputic> pihhan: pmount/pumount if it's a detachable device
[15:14] <kaminix> Though just the router settings page takes several seconds to load.  About 12 seconds. :s
[15:14] <jaffarkelshac> my wine system tray has popped out  how do i get it back in the notification area
[15:14] <Tatster> Hi all.  Just installed the RC on a test box that has 2 disks in a mirror (hardware raid card).  However when installer gets to partition disks section it's asking me to choose which 1 of 2 disks I want to partition
[15:14] <pihhan> thoreauputic: is there reason why is this command not installed in default instalation?
[15:14] <Tatster> This doesn't seem right to me, as I would expect the installer only to see the 1 mirrored disk.  Or am I wrong ?
[15:15] <thoreauputic> pihhan: probably the same reason about 18000 other things are not installed :)
[15:15] <Exilant> Lynoure: no, didn't help much, still the same, sometimes audio, video very rarely
[15:15] <Lynoure> kaminix: Try booting that router. At least Zyxels often benefit from a friendly kick now and then
[15:15] <pihhan> thoreauputic: you know, there is little problem with it
[15:15] <thoreauputic> pihhan: I think most of this kind of thing is handled by gnome in a different way
[15:16] <pihhan> thoreauputic: i have notebook (sony vaio fz), i have card reader
[15:16] <fromport> kaminix: could be a 1000 reasons
[15:16] <kaminix> Lynoure: It is actually a Zyxel router, though I've rebooted it two times today already (it's 4:15PM here) with no success.
[15:16] <thoreauputic> pihhan: like the  gnome "connect to server" - I much prefer sshfs
[15:16] <pihhan> thoreauputic: it does mount new card i insert into it well, but funny is, it does not allow me to remove safely
[15:16] <fromport> kaminix: could you install the "iperf" package ? "aptitude install iperf "
[15:17] <thoreauputic> pihhan: does an icon pop up on the desktop?
[15:17] <thoreauputic> pihhan: if so, use right click - eject
[15:17] <pihhan> thoreauputic: yes, but it does not allow me to unmount it
[15:17] <pihhan> thoreauputic: that is problem, there is not eject
[15:17] <thoreauputic> pihhan: ah I see
[15:17] <fromport> lynoure: depends on the firmware, find is really rock-solid (zyxel 2602)
[15:17] <Lynoure> kaminix: oh, had that too with one once... it ended up getting replaced. :/
[15:17] <kaminix> fromport: Okay, I'll tell you when it's done. Should I run it with some special options?
[15:18] <pihhan> LANG=en_US umount -v /media/disk/
[15:18] <pihhan> umount: /media/disk is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[15:18] <Lynoure> fromport: I mostly have played with the 600 series
[15:18] <pihhan> this is point of problem
[15:18] <fromport> lynoure: grrr. what's with the typo's today ?! :-)
[15:18] <thoreauputic> pihhan: I don't know then - I think you could still umount it if you use "sudo", or as root though
[15:18] <Lynoure> fromport: What did I do?
[15:18] <pihhan> it does mount it for me, but to umount i need to use sudo and root privileges, or modify /etc/fstab by hand
[15:18] <thoreauputic> e.g. sudo umount /dev/foo
[15:18] <thoreauputic> pihhan: right - could be  a bug
[15:19] <pihhan> i know what i need to write there, but i would like to report that as bug, but dont know where should i
[15:19] <fromport> kaminix: i've setup a server to connect to on my side: you just run "iperf -c vhost10.ams-sar.het.net"
[15:19] <fx|RabBit> can anybody please tell me why all of my ports are closed to the ouztside since upgrade allthogh i dont use a firewall?
[15:19] <thoreauputic> pihhan: not sure - could be the new gvfs
[15:19] <kaminix> Lynoure, fromport: It's a Zyxel P-320W
[15:19] <fromport> lynoure: you didn't do anything (that's the whole point ;-) i made the typo's
[15:20] <Lynoure> fromport: Oh, I have good typofilters :)
[15:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. can openoffice Well oocalc - open up .ofx files? Trying to load my checking info i 'exported' from the banks web site
[15:20] <Lynoure> fromport: So I hardly notice incoming typos, but unfortunately no help with the outgoing ones
[15:20] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: do you have any sever daemons running on your system?
[15:20] <thoreauputic> *server
[15:20] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: sshd and ftp
[15:21] <fromport> Dr_willes: google on openoffice .ofx will probably fill you in on that question ;-)
[15:21] <pihhan> Dr_willis: i dont think ofx is Open document format, so i think it cannot. try file your-file.ofx, what it wil report as type of file
[15:21] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: and you can't connect with, say, ssh from another machine?
[15:21] <fromport> lynoure: theraputic filters ? ;-)
[15:21] <Bravewolf> hello. In Hardy the intel 3945g wireless card has a different driver. iwl3945 instead of ipw3945. In hardy the led which shows if wifi is enabled or not doesn't work. Do you have similar problems?
[15:21] <Dr_willis> its loading it as a text file.  so im thinking it cant handle it. which is a bummer.
[15:22] <Dr_willis> lets see what else the bank can export to.
[15:22] <Lynoure> fromport: heh, just from hefty ircing for most of my life =)
[15:22] <soc> hi
[15:22] <fromport> dr_willis: those are quciken files
[15:22] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: do you see anything if for example you telnet to port 22 from another machine?
[15:22] <fromport> quicken
[15:22] <Leeuw> has anyone experienced ' failure to initialise HAL' (ie nothing works, no network, no audio, not even switching off) after installing RC ?
[15:22] <soc> i upgraded to hardy but i have no sound atm ...
[15:22] <soc> some ideas?
[15:22] <fahadsadah> soc: Reinstall alsa
[15:23] <soc> mh ok
[15:23] <fahadsadah> Everyone: Has hardy finalised?
[15:23] <soc> i think it has something to do with pulseaudio
[15:23] <fromport> dr_willes; install gnucash, it can handle those files (i think)
[15:23] <Dr_willis> aha.. bank can do .csv also.. and the 'download/open dialog even showed oocalc. :)
[15:23] <Leeuw> fahadsadah: NO, BUT SORT OF- THE RELEASE CANDIDATE IS READY; ALMOST FINAL.  fINAL IN ABOUT 5 DAYS
[15:23] <Dr_willis> csv, now thats old-skool
[15:24] <fahadsadah> Oh, right
[15:24] <Leeuw> sorrry for capslock, everyone
[15:24] <pihhan> Bravewolf: it is known that new iwlwifi drivers does not support LED yet, it is not fixed in last iwlwifi yet
[15:24] <fahadsadah> When it finalises, will my GRUB be cleaned up and have only the kernel I use?
[15:24] <fahadsadah> Or do I have to do that?
[15:24] <bardyr> fahadsadah, apt-get autoremove
[15:24] <pihhan> Bravewolf: you may check http://www.intellinuxwireless.org for more info
[15:24] <fahadsadah> I run that regularly
[15:25] <kaminix> fromport: It also installed som updates now, among others: initscripts and kubuntu-default-settings. Should I restart and see if the problems will just 'go away' before doing the iperf network test?
[15:25] <Leeuw> bardyr: ehat's autoremove ?
[15:25] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: nope i dont
[15:25] <Dr_willis> ive never noticed kernels gettting removed.
[15:25] <Leeuw> dardwhat's I mean
[15:25] <bardyr> Leeuw, removes unneddes packages
[15:25] <fx|RabBit> and i have those services running cos i can have them from localhost
[15:25] <bardyr> unneeded*
[15:25] <heanol> anyone else having trouble running grub?
[15:25] <Leeuw> bardyr: as in dependencies that are no longer deps ?
[15:25] <fahadsadah> Nothing to do with kernels
[15:25] <heanol> -bash: /usr/sbin/grub: cannot execute binary file
[15:25] <bardyr> Leeuw, yea
[15:25] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: and if you run  sudo iptables -L  do you see a whole bunch of rules ?
[15:25] <fromport> kaminix: did it install a new kernel as well ? what version are you running (uname -a)
[15:26] <fahadsadah> That's not exactly how you run grub
[15:26] <kaminix> Linux minipax 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:26] <fahadsadah> grub-install /dev/sda
[15:26] <fahadsadah> Sory
[15:26] <Leeuw> bardyr: nice... gonna gettit !
[15:26] <fahadsadah> grub-install hd0
[15:26] <Bravewolf> pihhan: thanks! Is it possible to use ipw instead of iwl?
[15:26] <Odd-rationale> When I shutdown, I get a black terminal screen for a second with a bunch of NetworkManager errors, then the shutdown usplash and poweroff. Why does NetworkManager crash evertime I shutdown?
[15:26] <bardyr> Leeuw, autoclean is also nice, removes all downloaded packages
[15:26] <hmuller> heanol: no problem running it here
[15:26] <heanol> beh
[15:26] <theunixgeek> The live CD doesn't work. I keep getting dropped to a busybox terminal. How do I fix this?
[15:26] <kaminix> fromport: 2.6.24-16-generic
[15:26] <Leeuw> bardyr: takes care of one of my neurotic admin-worriez...
[15:27] <heanol>  grub-install --no-floppy /dev/md0
[15:27] <heanol> /usr/sbin/grub: 1: ELF4Ø: not found
[15:27] <heanol> weird
[15:27] <Leeuw> bardyr: like temp-files and the download folder ?
[15:27] <fromport> kaminix: reboot, better even:poweroff your system and then turn it back on
[15:27] <hmuller> fahadsadah: It can be run as just grub
[15:27] <bardyr> Leeuw, yea
[15:27] <pihhan> Bravewolf: i think iwl will be much better, for my intel 4965 is no ipw, and it does not require daemon running.
[15:27] <oxigen> since last flash player 'fix' i cant hear sound in blender :(
[15:27] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: the concept of "closed" and "open" ports is not very useful really - more useful to know what services are listening, and check if iptables has set rules to block those ports
[15:27] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: not one single rule in there as this has never been my firewall
[15:27] <oxigen> how can i fix that?
[15:27] <kaminix> fromport: Is the kernel old? It didn't install a new one now.
[15:27] <heanol> hmuller: are you running x86_64?
[15:27] <Leeuw> bardyr: gonna gettit tooo !
[15:27] <hmuller> heanol: yep
[15:27] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: iptables is not running and has not one single rure set
[15:28] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: youmust see something - are all policies set to ACCEPT ?
[15:28] <kaminix> Will reboot then. fromport, see you in a minute.
[15:28] <fromport> kaminix: no,it's the latest/greatest (available in hardy anyway)
[15:28] <fx|RabBit> ufw is not running and fiurestarter is not running
[15:28] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: how do you know iptables is not running?
[15:28] <fx|RabBit> iptables -F
[15:28] <hmuller> heanol: maybe there's something wrong with your grub install, might want to reinstall
[15:28] <oxigen> i rather have problems with firefox crashing than no sound in blender
[15:28] <oxigen> that sucks!
[15:29] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: if you flush the iptables chains that can shut you out unless you had permissive policies in place
[15:29] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: hehe ok buddy one more time: no iptables and no rules in ther  and has never been running
[15:29] <heanol> hmuller: i found the problem i think, i read that you need CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION in the kernel which i don't (compiled my own)
[15:30] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: in other words it is not iptables
[15:30] <Bravewolf> pihhan: so... I have to wait :-/. The led is VERY useful...
[15:30] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: any other suggestions?
[15:30] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: you said "iptables -F" - I was pointing out that that can lock you out
[15:31] <hmuller> heanol: I agree, grub .97 is 32 bit
[15:31] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: ah kk i see
[15:31] <fx|RabBit> but as i said before there was no rule in there before i did that
[15:31] <fx|RabBit> said iptables -L
[15:31] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: in fact, I just did an experiment here - and locked myself out of another box :) I will have to port knock my way back in :)
[15:32] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: http://www.nopaste.org/p/a36C2NQDi
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: hehe happens
[15:33] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: yeah that looks pretty permissive, indeed ;)
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> point is i didn never do anything to the connection or to the filtering of such on this machine
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> i get out
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> but i dont get in
[15:33] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: so we are no nearer solving the mystery I guess
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> and the services a re there
[15:33] <fowler> Ubuntu Hardy Current : x86_64 : Flash doesn't display. Just shows up as a grey box. about:plugins in firefox shows the plugin is installed. Any ideas anyone?
[15:33] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: afraid not, was hoping you had another suggestion...
[15:34] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: do you have a routing problem perhaps?
[15:34] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: ie. no route to your box
[15:34] <thoreauputic> guessing at possibilities
[15:34] <volton>  Hi I have got a question about the pgp-keys in 8.04, are these completely independant from the password key? WIll my PGP-key still be stron if I have a weak password key?
[15:34] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: is it pingable?
[15:35] <friedtree> i reinstalled hardy thinking that would restore sound to my flash videos.  i still dont have sound in flash :(
[15:35] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: tell you in a sec
[15:35] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: absolutely not
[15:36] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: ah OK - then it is probably routing
[15:36] <fowler> friedtree, Flash problems here too: Apparently  libflashsupport helps with sound in Hardy, It will give pulseaudio support to Flash so soound works. Unfortunately it seems buggy
[15:36] <fx|RabBit> how come?
[15:36] <elliotjhug> hi all - need to do a fairly massive update of packages on my system and I was forced to do a partial upgrade. It wants to remove a package 'volumeid' - is that safe, a google search makes it seem pretty vital
[15:36] <pihhan> Bravewolf: never had working it in ubuntu, dont know what i am missing :)
[15:36] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: have a look at ifconfig and route -n
[15:36] <friedtree> thank you fowler.
[15:36] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: i am straight on the net now, no router inbetween, only the big wide world
[15:37] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: umm - so where dd you ping the box from?
[15:37] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic did i mention that i am on the machine now that we are talking bout?
[15:37] <hmuller> elliotjhug: I'd say you are pretty safe relying on update-manager, just run it again after the partial upgrade
[15:37] <fx|RabBit> i sshd to a server on my workplace and pinged it from there
[15:37] <elliotjhug> hmuller: OK
[15:37] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: no - as I said, how did you try to ping it?
[15:37] <elliotjhug> hmuller: thanks
[15:38] <thoreauputic> ah sorry missed that
[15:38] <kaminix> fromport: [  5]  0.0-11.5 sec    208 KBytes    148 Kbits/sec     faster than from most servers it is.
[15:38] <bullgard4> What might be the reason that Hardy displays letters in a GNOME terminal blurry but in menu items crisp?
[15:38] <valehru> Hi guys, I connected amarok on Hardy to my ipod touch.  Seems to have synched perfectly, I can play music over the wireless connection through amarok but now when I go to play on ipod touch only it says "No Music, you can download music from ITunes"  Any ideas?
[15:38] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: pinged with IP number or full domain name etc?
[15:39] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: ip adress
[15:39] <hmuller> elliotjhug: No problem.
[15:39] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: hmm OK _ there goes the DNS theory :)
[15:39] <fromport> kaminix: i dont think you have hardware problem. could it be that the wifi is "crowded" and you are fighting for your bandwidth ?
[15:40] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: so you know for sure that you have the  right IP address for the box, right?
[15:41] <fx|RabBit> positive m8 i  copy pasted it out from ifconfig
[15:41] <kaminix> No, no one else is using the net at the moment. But when I run apt and ping my router at the same time the ping times gets goes from 2ms to sometimes as much as 2000ms. Is that normal?
[15:41] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: and it's a static IP of course?
[15:41] <asdfsadfs> My 2 ATA cards are not recognized after a fresh install of Hardy. They were recognized fine with all other versions since 6.04. Any ideas?
[15:41] <asdfsadfs> Also, why does 8.04 try to fsck my encrypted partitions? They're not ext[23].
[15:42] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: it is
[15:42] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: look what my demes|grep eht0 returns:
[15:42] <fx|RabBit> http://www.nopaste.org/p/aKdO4Vktb
[15:42] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: I'm running out of ideas :)
[15:42] <kaminix> Peaked at 24034 ms when pinging my router now.
[15:42] <Technofrood> Just upgraded my 7.10 box to the 8.04 RC, how ever the newest kernel listed in grub (2.6.24-16) comes up with a kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[15:42] <christopher> when installing kubuntu i get lines running up and down my screen.  they flicker. any suggestions.
[15:43] <christopher> i have a dell optiplex gx150 with an intel video card
[15:43] <keanu> is it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package
[15:43] <fromport> kaminix: yes that is normal. you'filling the available bandwidth. that gives you the higher  ping times: did you also powercycle the dsl modem ?
[15:43] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: thios dmesg deffinitely looks like iptables is running but it aing
[15:43] <fx|RabBit> wtf is going on???
[15:43] <hwMoD> hello - I started a do-release-upgrade through ssh via wireless on my laptop, then thougth better, stopped it half way, rebooted, and now apt-get upgrade is getting hardy packages
[15:44] <hwMoD> how many issues am I facing?
[15:44] <hwMoD> or will it be ok after the apt-get upgrade?
[15:44] <kaminix> fromport: Powercycle? Restart? Yes I did. Could of course do it again, but would there be any point in doing so
[15:44] <kaminix> ?
[15:44] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: I don't know, to be frank. I tried to get some info that might help, but at this point I'm lost too
[15:44] <jgoo> Hey there - network problem - works fine in live, after reboot network is in 'roaming' mode - no net... set to DHCP... no net, although I noted the DNS values are auto configured... I set static IP... no net. Linksys is at 10.0.0.100, serving dynamic IP'
[15:44] <jgoo> s above 200
[15:44] <kaminix> Got 24% packet loss when pinging my router and using apt at the same time. :s
[15:45] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: so thanx for trying thogh m8
[15:45] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: good luck :(
[15:45] <pihhan> jgoo: check if ifconfig reports anything set there
[15:45] <fromport> kaminix: you powercycled your laptop right ? how about the wifi gateway ? could you try and powercycle that as well ?
[15:45] <jgoo> pihhan, when I set it static, yes, it reports the static ip
[15:45] <jgoo> on dhcp, it reports some hex values...
[15:46] <fromport> kaminix: you should get higher ping times, not packet loss when you fill the bandwidth
[15:46] <pihhan> jgoo: do you want dhcp or static ip?
[15:46] <kaminix> fromport: Shutting it off, wait a couple of seconds and turn it on again = powercycle? I already did that, but I could retry it.
[15:46] <jgoo> DHCP would be fine
[15:46] <kaminix> fromport: But I get both. :s
[15:46] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: thanx i gonna find the bastard *gg*
[15:46] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: heh
[15:46] <fromport> kaminix: i'm now only talking abou tthe router/wifi gateway !
[15:47] <jgoo> I have set to static, let me set to DHCP again and run ifconfig again
[15:47] <kaminix> fromport: 100 packets transmitted, 76 received, 24% packet loss, time 110121ms          rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 461.660/5429.547/24034.088/5059.148 ms, pipe 14
[15:47] <pihhan> fromport: what he should get depends on quality of equipment and total speed it is able to deliver,
[15:47] <kaminix> fromport: Yes, should I turn them on/off? Both of them at once?
[15:47] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: BTW I got back in with my port knock :)
[15:47] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: not that that helps you of course :)
[15:47] <fromport> kaminix: you have powercycled (switched off/on) the router/wifigateway allready ?
[15:48] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: well glad that you could solve yours at least:)
[15:48] <kaminix> fromport: Yes, earlier today, twice. Not while we've been talking though.
[15:48] <jgoo> pihhan, hrm. set to DHCP and I don't get anything - perhaps a setting on my router is conflicting, like netbios or something? I just replaced one linksys wifi router with a similar model
[15:48] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: port knocking is useful for these little problems ;p
[15:48] <Leeuw> anyone know what the status is of fixing the dbus/hal bug ' failed to initialise hal'  after fresh install is /   (had it with beta after updates, now with fresh RC install same thing)
[15:49] <keanu> is it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package
[15:49] <jgoo> pihhan, ifconfig doesn't report any ip, or mask, or broadcast, after setting to dhcp
[15:49] <fromport> pihhan: 24% packetloss is not normal/accetable. When i do a full download on my wireless i do get some packetloss, but not that much.
[15:49] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: is that some special procedure or what?
[15:49] <friedtree> i am unable to change the login menu in hardy.  am running the rc, freshly installed
[15:49] <jgoo> so it seems physical... perhaps I borked the wiring... but it worked in live session (and in... *vomits* vista... which was shipped on this new machine BY MISTAKE! (and, truly, it sucks)
[15:49] <pihhan> jgoo: check if dhclient is running:  ps ax | grep dhclient
[15:50] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: basically, you run a daemon (knockd) - it notices a pattern of hits and runs a command to allow you in from the IP you "knock" from
[15:50] <christopher> when installing kubuntu i get lines running up and down my screen.  they flicker. any suggestions.
[15:50] <christopher> i have a dell optiplex gx150 with an intel video card
[15:50] <jgoo> runnig
[15:50] <jgoo> running* - dhclient3
[15:50] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: there are howtos on the net - the package is in the repos
[15:51] <fromport> kaminix: how are you connected to the internet ? cable/dsl ? is the wifi gateway integrated in your modem ? or seperate ?
[15:51] <pihhan> fromport: wireless is tricky thing. it depends on quality of your driver, remote driver, remote system cpu power if encryption is enabled, link quality, etc... it is much things that can go wrong in wifi
[15:51] <jgoo> pihhan - can I use ARP to test to see if I can resolve the mac address of another machine?
[15:51] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: uhuh i see thanx
[15:51] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: it's quite clever - basically means you can lock everything down but still get in
[15:51] <jgoo> even though I know this network works... perhaps... magically it broke?
[15:51] <hwMoD> is the usplash resolution still brokey in the RC?
[15:51] <pihhan> jgoo: yes, arping -I eth0 ip-you-want-to-ping
[15:51] <jgoo> I've never had a problem with networking on any linux before :p so this is a novelty for me
[15:52] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: souds like illegal things to me gg
[15:52] <kaminix> fromport: ADSL, 8/1 mbit. Modem -> Wireless router -> Laptop
[15:52] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: not at all
[15:52] <kaminix> fromport: In other words, the router and the modem are separate.
[15:52] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: uh i get it its like a secret password or so
[15:52] <jgoo> pihhan, ok arping didn't get a response
[15:52] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: only works if you know the right combination of ports to hit -
[15:52] <fx|RabBit> hehe
[15:52] <jgoo> but it said my ip was a 169.254 (basically, random?) ip address
[15:53] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: yeah i got it, sounds nice gotta have a look at that
[15:53] <jgoo> I arping'd a machine that was set to static ip on my network
[15:53] <fromport> kaminix: can you connect (temporarily) a normal ethernet cable to you laptop to verify your speed is normal with a wired connection ?
[15:53] <Bravewolf> Where does Ubuntu save the configuration of X? (xorg.conf is almost empty)
[15:53] <jgoo> pihhan, I did sudo lshw -C network and it said something about half duplex
[15:53] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: yes it's like a password - the nice thing is that it just waits for the combination of firewall hits
[15:53] <fx|RabBit> anyone know anything about that net ufw thing?
[15:53] <kaminix> fromport: Not possible at the moment. :(
[15:53] <jgoo> could that be that some combination of router config is causing this?
[15:53] <pihhan> jgoo: stop dhcp server from network manager, and run sudo dhclient in terminal. see what is does report, propably it cannot find dhcp server
[15:54] <jgoo> ok, Ill do that
[15:54] <swuboo> thoreauputic:  That's fascinating.  I'd grab that and set it up right now if I had any remotely conceivable use for it.
[15:54] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: well hope you got a straight combo then not the usual -..-- ..
[15:54] <fromport> jgoo: cat /proc/net/arp
[15:54] <pihhan> jgoo: what does return  sudo mii-tool ?
[15:54] <thoreauputic> swuboo: heheh - well it just got me back in to a box that I locked myself out of :)
[15:55] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: the secret of my combo will die with me !!! (add !!! to taste)
[15:55] <fromport> kaminix: more computers connected to the dsl modem ?
[15:55] <swuboo> thoreauputic:  If I were to lock myself out of of my desktop, I'd have nowhere to get in *from*, so it's relatively moot for me.
[15:55] <jgoo> pihhan, where is the network manager? I see network manager editor (which loads, but shows no networks)
[15:56] <kaminix> fromport: Three others, though I think only one of them is one but not in use now; the other two are turned off.
[15:56] <thoreauputic> swuboo: ah I see - I have several boxen here and in an emergency I could use an internet cafe or somehting with my laptop
[15:56] <jgoo> eth0: no link
[15:56] <fx|RabBit> thoreauputic: hehehehe brave man
[15:56] <jgoo> pihhan, that is the mii-tool output - so it looks like the cable isn't registering as connected :(
[15:56] <fromport> kaminix: the other machine is not chewing up the bandwidth ? running some p2p program ?
[15:56] <thoreauputic> swuboo: to get back in I mean
[15:57] <pihhan> jgoo: yes, you need to fix that before you can continue :)
[15:57] <jgoo> pihhan, hahaha. yes - I notice no lights on the back of the network card, which is all very lolsome but....
[15:57] <Clinteger> well.. 12 minutes until I've downloaded needed updates to 7.04 :D
[15:57] <jgoo> in the live session... network was working!
[15:57] <kaminix> fromport: No, only computer ever running p2p is this one.
[15:57] <jgoo> then I rebooted.. perhaps... the network... what... disconnected? I didn't touch the cable!
[15:58] <thoreauputic> fx|RabBit: I don't think the average packet sniffer in a cafe is very interested in apparently random sequences of udp and tcp packets ;p
[15:58] <jgoo> I have to drive home now... but I will redo the network cable end... hrm... grrr. oh well :p
[15:58] <jgoo> thanks!
[15:59] <stael123> hello everybody! i have sound problem when skypes running! i try playing with sound settings but nothing helped. any advice?
[15:59] <bullgard4> What might be the reason that Hardy displays letters in a GNOME terminal blurry but in menu items crisp?
[16:00] <fromport> kaminix: i give up, to many things that could be the culprit
[16:00] <kaminix> =(
[16:00] <kaminix> Thanks anyway fromport
[16:01] <fromport> stael123: i only have skype sound on left side. but it is working
[16:01]  * keanu hates repeating, but in the event it was missed:
[16:01] <keanu> is it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package
[16:02] <jlu> hi, wenn man den ordner auf einer home partition 700 macht hat ja keiner ausser dem inhaber zugriff. wird das über die uid geregelt und was ist wenn der man das system neu installiert und ein anderer user bekommt diese uid zugewiesen?
[16:02] <jlu> sorry wrong channel.
[16:02] <fromport> jlu:english
[16:03] <stael123> fromport: mine its working. but i cant get music or another sound application running at the same time.
[16:04] <keanu> would #ubuntu be a better place for me to ask that question?
[16:04] <usser> what was wrong with alsa anyway?
[16:04] <swuboo> Anyone have any thoughts about why gnome-panel launchers might not be saving their settings between reboots?
[16:04] <pihhan> !de | jlu
[16:04] <ubotu> jlu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:05] <swuboo> keanu:  No, I think you're in the right place for that.  And I agree, that really, really needs to happen.
[16:05] <keanu> swuboo, ok
[16:06] <kaminix> fromport: When I run RaConfig2500 (for Gutsy though) it says 'Device not found! (check rt2x00.conf)'. Could that be related?
[16:08] <Ergo^> evening
[16:08] <Ergo^> so can we use the RC and it wil lget upgraded to final without problems ?
[16:13] <philip_> Ergo^: yes. As a matter of fact I'm wiping my upgraded install from 7.04-7.10-8.04 to install a fresh RC 8.04 right now
[16:14] <Ergo^> i think they should not have any special things that would have problems with upgrade
[16:14] <philip_> 5 days left, everything else is cosmetic
[16:15] <swuboo> Ergo^:  The differences between the RC and the final should hopefully be minimal, so in all likelihood, yes.
[16:15] <Ergo^> i wonder if the gnome monitor was fixed
[16:16] <philip_> and then in two months I'll be upgrading to 8.10 anyway :P
[16:16] <fromport> stael123: i just tried: i could not listen to mp3 (audicious) and setup a voice conversation with skype at the same time
[16:17] <sharperguy> is amarok working with pulse yet?
[16:17] <Clinteger> *sigh* today's going to be epic dowloads :| first had to update all of feisty, then upgrading to gutsy, then upgrading to hardy
[16:17] <Ergo^> Clinteger: id rather choose fresh install :P
[16:18] <Ergo^> btw. ubuntu broke WINE :P
[16:18] <Ergo^> and seriously ;P
[16:18] <stael123> fromport: sounds like the same problem!
[16:18] <Ergo^> memory protection b0rkens WINE, some tools just dont start
[16:18] <stael123> fromport: it was posible with gutsy.
[16:23] <fromport> stael123: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=119961 and there are several other forums posts
[16:23] <stael123> fromport: i'll take a look! thanks a lot!!
[16:30] <philip_> truecrypt is awesome
[16:31] <zippytech> any idea on why my sound don't work tried,onboard ac97 and a sblive
[16:31] <zippytech> ubuntu snd: Unknown symbol unregister_sound_special
[16:33] <Bravewolf> c'è un pacchetto con i temi per grub?
[16:36] <Bravewolf> sorry... I mistake the chan
[16:38] <effie_jayx> anyone know how to configure a printer in LTP1 with the new interface for printer
[16:38] <effie_jayx> ?
[16:42] <stael123> fromport: i have this version of skype. it seems like skype uses the sound channel 100% and no other sound can get through it!
[16:45] <mohamed_> running xscreensaver i got this error " Directory does not exist: "/usr/share/backgrounds " creating this directory will solve the problem  ?
[16:46] <pihhan> effie_jayx: in cups interface. configure it. you might use http://localhost:631 on cups machine
[16:46] <calc> mohamed_: it should exist
[16:46] <draginxx> Is anyone else getting a weird error with firefox 3b5 showing certain fonts big? Not sure if it's a patter yet, f3b5 worked properly and fine on my other box (7.10) on the same site. So this is an independent OS issue?
[16:46] <calc> mohamed_: install screensaver-default-images, ubuntu-wallpapers
[16:47] <mohamed_> thx calc i will do now
[16:47] <effie_jayx> pihhan, ok... but not on the new gui :S
[16:47] <effie_jayx> ok
[16:48] <orvokki> !info nvidia-glx-new
[16:48] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15256 kB
[16:53] <Asa_A> I can't seem to get my mythfrontend working with Hardy. I followed the instructions here (http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html), but I still don't get sound.
[16:54] <Asa_A> and i'm not getting mythtv listed in the playback tab of the Pulse volume control
[16:58] <Asa_A> does anyone here have any suggestions?
[16:59] <NW2190> Hey does anyone know of to get Emerald working in Hardy?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> NW2190: just install it and run "emerald --replace"
[17:00] <crdlb> NW2190: put it in CCSM: Window Decoration > Command
[17:00] <crdlb> it no longer is used automatically
[17:01] <NW2190> ok that worked. Thanks a lot.
[17:03] <elliotjhug> hi all running upgrade on ubuntu hardy - error with conflicting packages in firefox3, depends on xulrunner-1.9 which conflicts with j2re1.4 which I believe I can safely remove - if I could find its package - error is: "xulrunner-1.9 conflicts with j2re1.4" alernative solutions or name of a package would be appreciated!
[17:08] <_Lucretia_> i'm on a wireless network here and am thinking about upgrading to hardy via the devel-release, will there be any network problems or will it download all packages first?
[17:08]  * _Lucretia_ is sick of firefox hanging all the time and it seems to be making eclipse hang *all the time*
[17:10] <zeus> hello, how to enable dual screen display with nvidia 8800 ?
[17:10] <hwMoD> does anyone here know the insides of do-release-upgrade ?
[17:12] <escupoenhardy> i have installed the rc,and then synaptic say me thah install propietary driver ati,i install it and the screen is in black
[17:13] <Amonxz> damn but did u keeped the previous drives?
[17:14] <bts3685> is networking/dns broken?
[17:14] <Amonxz> well i want to ask about themes for hardy
[17:14] <Exilant> escupoenhardy: then just change it back
[17:14] <Amonxz> for example this one
[17:14] <Amonxz> http://bp3.blogger.com/_vvsFwRooO6Y/R3T8NShwIUI/AAAAAAAAAoM/WFCuOR1pvgc/s1600-h/eBlueBall.png.jpg
[17:15] <_Lucretia_> so does the upgrade process download all packages first?
[17:15] <Exilant> escupoenhardy: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, search for fglrx, replace by ati
[17:15] <solomon> howdy, i've got an rc1 new install on my laptop and I'm trying to configure dual head with an external monitor i've got plugged in
[17:15] <solomon> the gutsy tool used to work pretty well for this but the more simple tool that seems to be in hardy can't seem to get beyond cloned display
[17:16] <solomon> is there something more advanced i can use, beyond editing xorg.conf by hand (which i can do if i must)
[17:16] <escupoenhardy> exilant:after install the driver the desktop dont charge
[17:17] <Exilant> escupoenhardy: well, there's the cl...
[17:17] <escupoenhardy> what?
[17:17] <Exilant> commandline
[17:18] <Amonxz> cant anybody help me with the themes for hardy
[17:21] <tommy_> the theme manager has not been fixed yet ? whenever I change a color I have to restart X server in order to see the new color :/
[17:27] <tijayz> Hi
[17:28] <tijayz> ANyone knows any resolutions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/206358
[17:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206358 in initramfs-tools "Slow boot process on "waiting for resume device"" [Undecided,New]
[17:28] <tijayz> ubotu, smart bot
[17:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smart bot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:28] <Amonxz> where can i find themes for hardy
[17:28] <Amonxz> please i want to know
[17:28] <rsk> Amonxz: gnome themes webpage
[17:28] <bts3685> ubotu: botsnack
[17:28] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[17:29] <tijayz> =)
[17:29] <Clinteger> hmm
[17:29] <Clinteger> i think I broke ubuntu lmao
[17:29] <Amonxz> can i give me the link?
[17:31] <Amonxz> canu
[17:31] <Amonxz> can u ?
[17:35] <seamus7> Is the RC pretty much the final product minus a few bugs .. or will there likely be a RC2?
[17:35] <mophead> Hey Hardy Heroners - I've got a quick question about the updater thingy.  I tried to update and got this error: http://pastebin.com/d22a34052
[17:35] <mophead> Any ideas?
[17:35] <bts3685> mophead: two things.
[17:36] <bts3685> one, do a df -h and let me know if you're out of space
[17:36] <seamus7> mophead: are running out of space
[17:36] <kevin__> has wine been working alright for people under hardy?
[17:36] <bts3685> if not, there's a directive in /etc/apt/apt.conf (IIRC, can't remember exact location) that specifies the size of the cache. increase that.
[17:36] <benobo> kevin working well 4 me
[17:36] <kevin__> i read on the wine sight that there might be an issue with pulse audio, so i was wondering
[17:36] <tijayz> Anyone with ideas on resume device?
[17:37] <mophead> bts3685: /dev/sda2             7.8G  7.8G     0 100% /
[17:37] <seamus7> another question: does FF3 have support for the delicious bookmarking extension yet?
[17:37] <benobo> i don't use any audio under wine, so can't say there
[17:37] <bts3685> mophead: yup. i'd say you're full.
[17:37] <mophead> how do I fix that?
[17:37] <bts3685> seamus7: there's some experimental ones
[17:37] <bts3685> mophead: temporarily, delete logs and temp files
[17:38] <bts3685> ( rm -rf /var/log/* and rm -rf /tmp)
[17:38] <bts3685> but this is not an advisable solution. i'd recommend you move to a larger harddrive.
[17:38] <seamus7> bts3685 I had heard of an alpha for the delicious ext but hoped it'd be ready by now
[17:38] <bts3685> seamus7: was alpha as of three days ago...i doubt it's beta yet
[17:40] <mophead> bts3685: rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp': Device or resource busy
[17:40] <jbroome_1> don't remove /tmp/, remove what's in it.
[17:40] <mophead> bts3685: is this a partitioning program?
[17:40] <jbroome_1> rm -rf /tmp/*
[17:40] <bts3685> oh. right. you'll need to be in a live disc like knoppix, grml, or system rescue cd
[17:40] <seamus7> another question: when upgrading to Hardy through update manager should I first move all my hidden files and directories in my home folder out of the way so that they are recreated fresh? I have home in its own partition but am currently too lazy to do a full reinstall.
[17:41] <bts3685> mophead: no, rm = remove. aka delete
[17:41] <mophead> I just got it
[17:41] <tijayz> one of the best things in ubntu and pretty muchh any linux. About-to-fail-harddrive? Buy a new one, create a partition, rsync file system from the old one to new one, install grub and linux is working again
[17:42] <edoceo> did anyone else have konqueror start flaking out with the latest updates?
[17:42] <tijayz> but still Resume device cannot be found :(
[17:43] <mophead> bts3685: I just had two geeks repartition my machine... I wonder how it could be full.
[17:43] <bts3685> mophead: repartition != bigger harddrive
[17:44] <mophead> but the harddrive is not full
[17:44] <mophead> the only thing full is sda2
[17:44] <daekdroom> Could someone help me? Every boot the system locks up in a black screen, and I need to re-try about 2 or 3 times to get to X.
[17:44] <mophead> bts3685: http://pastebin.com/d965137e
[17:44] <bts3685> mophead: sda2 is where ubuntu "lives"
[17:45] <edoceo> daekdroom: can you switch to alternate console and see interesting messages?
[17:45] <daekdroom> No. I tried that before.
[17:45] <bts3685> think of it like a house that you build a wall in the middle of, and have a family living on opposite sides. when a family fills up one side, it doesn't fill up the whole house
[17:45] <benobo> since last updates i can't mount my ntfs drive, is this an issue or is it me?
[17:45] <daekdroom> I noticed everytime I leave the system at splash screen it never completes boot. If I switch to alternate consoles during splash screen it MIGHT boot.
[17:45] <mophead> bts3685: my geeks put up the walls too close :(
[17:45] <edoceo> Can you start in recovery, then manually start X ok?
[17:46] <bts3685> mophead: i'd agree. ~9gb is not enough.
[17:46] <mophead> bts3685: about how large does sda2 need to be?
[17:46] <bts3685> ooh, ~8 rather
[17:46] <mophead> They had said they would make it 10 gb
[17:46] <bts3685> mophead: should be 15 or so
[17:46] <daekdroom> edoceo: Might that be related to the fglrx module?
[17:46] <bts3685> 20 would be better
[17:46] <mophead> hmm... ok
[17:46] <seamus7> Hi all, I have /home in its own partition but will just upgrade to Hardy via update-manager .. is it best practice to remove all configuration directories/files from my home account before the upgrade?
[17:47] <bts3685> seamus7: why would you do that?
[17:47] <seamus7> bts3685 allow the upgraded system to recreate all the config files anew in order to have a cleaner installation
[17:48] <bts3685> seamus7: well, okay, but you'll lose all your firefox settings/bookmarks, email (if you use pop), etc.
[17:48] <bts3685> they should survive the upgrade without any problem
[17:49] <seamus7> bts3685 I would just move all the important directories/files into temp directory and move them back in once the upgrade went smoothly
[17:49] <lup0> seamus7: wouldn't you reach the same goal by deleting the config files from your home dir after upgrade?
[17:50] <lup0> seamus7: the upgrade itself doesn't manipulate configs in your home dir
[17:50] <bts3685> lup0: +1
[17:51] <mophead> brts3685: so you would say that the solution would be to repartition sda 2 to at least 15GB?
[17:52] <Nubae> darn, I cant get my machine to boot up RC hardy from the CDROM drive no matter what I try
[17:52] <Nubae> I've made 3 copies
[17:52] <Nubae> I've checked md5sum
[17:52] <maney> LTS upgrade considered to suck
[17:52] <Nubae> is there some easy way to make an iso onto a usbstick?
[17:52] <mophead> maney: considered to suck?
[17:52] <maney> does anyone really upgrade multiple desktop installs with this thing?
[17:53] <maney> since the CLI tool doesn't even try
[17:53] <peter77> I see the hibernate/ suspend still doesn't work in heron
[17:53] <seamus7> lup0 bts3685 after the upgrade isn't there a chance that some app might find the old config files in my home director set up  improperly due to some unforeseen change? isn't that why some people just wipe / and start completely anew? I'm just being lazy and don't want to wipe / but want to avoid any even minor conflicts...
[17:53] <friedtree> i installed hardy today from the RC and it works great.  no problems, flash even isn't crashing my firefox.  i'm happy.
[17:53] <peter77> nor does the headphone switch (when headphones in speakers do NOT mute)
[17:54] <maney> so, yeah, having to babysit it so as to tell it not to trash the config files at multiple points deep inside an hour-long update sucks hugely
[17:54] <Nubae> well, probably an issue with my cdrom drive, is there some easy way to write to usb stick?
[17:54] <peter77> and zealots wonder why windows xp has 99.9% of the market :-(
[17:54] <mophead> peter77: What I did was muts "front" and leave my speakers plugged in
[17:54] <mophead> peter77: but I agree, there's stuff left to straighten out
[17:54] <bts3685> seamus7: linux distro upgrades are *designed* to avoid starting fresh
[17:54] <Some_Person> how come it says "Opening 0 Items" in the taskbar when firefox is opening?
[17:54] <mophead> peter77: mute, not "muts"
[17:55] <Nubae> mine hangs at Loading Linux Kernel and is at 100%
[17:55] <friedtree> Nubae, www.pendrivelinux.com has instructions for loading gutsy on a usb drive.  i am not sure how that might be different for hardy, it might be cause of the persistant file system mode, they offer a file to use for this, not sure if it should be the same for hardy, but it works ok for gutsy maybe you can figure it out
[17:55] <peter77> mophead, yeah that works, but its easier if it does it automatically as it should
[17:55] <orvokki> Eek, the hibernation bug still exists?
[17:55] <mophead> peter77: gutsy didn't do that
[17:55] <peter77> mophead gutsy did do that
[17:55] <Nubae> I dont care about persistence, just want to write RC hardy to a usb stick to install
[17:55] <orvokki> I'd call that a good reason to postpone the release.
[17:56] <mophead> peter77: clarification: gutsy didn't do that for *me*
[17:56] <maney> orvokki: I wouldn't.  I don't care a rat's ass about laptop hibernation :-/
[17:56] <bts3685> seamus7: if you're so worried about it, make a backup of them. but i'm telling you, you can leave them in place and it shouldn't even touch them
[17:56] <seamus7> bts3685 OK I just needed to hear it again ... I always get this way before doing an upgrade .. I need people to tell me "it's gonna be okay" .. and it always is :)
[17:56] <mophead> maney: it is, though, a basic feature for a laptop and it should do it without a problem
[17:56] <maney> OTOH I doubt you'd agree with me that having to use the GUI update tool was a huge problem, so it balances out
[17:57] <peter77> mophead, there is a fix for the hibernation and suspend, the headphone problem I have had problems fixing
[17:57] <orvokki> maney: At one point going to hibernation in Hardy completely trashed your system so you had to repair it off a livecd.
[17:57] <maney> mophead: and upgrading shouldn't require sitting in front of the machien for an hour
[17:57] <orvokki> If it's still like that, it's dangerous to release yet.
[17:57] <bts3685> orvokki: that isn't "completely trashing" a system. trashing your system = reinstall
[17:57] <Some_Person> OMG, is bug 99508 fixed?!?!?!?!?!?!
[17:57] <mophead> maney: hehe, touche
[17:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[17:57] <orvokki> bts3685: Trashing your system so it can't boot?
[17:58] <orvokki> Plus filesystem corruption?
[17:58] <bts3685> orvokki: would you say the same about windows' famous MBR problems?
[17:58] <peter77> tempted to go back to suse as my past experience was novell is very good at supporting hardware :-)
[17:58] <bts3685> when all it takes is booting to your windows disk and fixmbr?
[17:59] <orvokki> bts3685: It's a LTS version, for God's sake.
[17:59] <bts3685> orvokki: it's BETA.
[17:59] <orvokki> bts3685: It's a release candidate.
[17:59] <orvokki> You're lagging behind.
[17:59] <bts3685> rc != release. it means "hey, this is a pretty close mockup"
[17:59] <orvokki> Release candidate is out already and if there are still big issues, release should be postponed.
[17:59] <edoceo> daekdroom: have to look at X logs to determine where the error is, lines start with 'EE:'
[18:00] <maney> 'scuse me, i have to walk to the far end of the building and see if the upgrade is sitting there doing nothing waiting for me to press return again
[18:01] <bts3685> orvokki: then why are you saying it here and not in the mailing lists? are you filing bug reports? if not, you can't complain.
[18:01] <mophead> have any of you guys been to ubuntubrainstorm.com ?
[18:01] <orvokki> bts3685: I don't have the issues. Apparently peter77 does.
[18:01] <alexandre_> Hi ! I have a problem with  "administration > User and group" I try to add an group put then I only have a group with a blank name appear in the list (I did of course enter a name). Is it broken ??
[18:01] <orvokki> bts3685: I just said that it's a realistic option.
[18:02] <Nubae> can someone please tell me an easy way to write an iso to a usbstick (dont need persistence) just to install off
[18:02] <bts3685> orvokki: well, did you ask HIM if he filed a bug report?
[18:02] <peter77> bts3685, bug reports already exist
[18:02] <bts3685> peter77: links?
[18:02] <peter77> bts3685, if I remember pre fiesty :-O
[18:02] <orvokki> bts3685: I've heard of the issue before and afaik it was reported then.
[18:02] <maney> OMG, it's made it to the initramfs stage - it may actually finish today
[18:02] <peter77> google ubuntu hibernate bug
[18:02] <romulo> yo, i just updated my hardy and epiphany is no longer working, is anyone having this too?
[18:02] <peter77> long list of bugs
[18:03] <bts3685> bug reports do not and should not traverse releases; they're different releases for a reason. heck, they've got entirely different kernel version sets.
[18:04] <maney> unrepaired bugs certainly should be carried over - anything else would be stupid
[18:04] <bts3685> unrepaired bugs should be /refiled/
[18:04] <orvokki> A bug doesn't also magically disappear from kernel without being fixed.
[18:04] <bts3685> orvokki: you're missing my point, here- releases vary in great and many ways from each other
[18:05] <maney> oh well... I'm just glad I haven't made waves pushing for replacing our creaky XP setup with Ubuntu at work - this LTS upgrade would have been the end of that job
[18:05] <topyli> romulo: define "not working"
[18:05] <topyli> epiphany's bookmark system is broken, i know that much
[18:06] <romulo> topyli, i type one url (any) and it stays loading it forever, never shows it
[18:06] <romulo> firefox works just fine, thats weird =P
[18:06] <Some_Person> Why does it say "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?
[18:06] <cool> can i Use Flash Disk to Install Ubuntu on Harddisk Instead of CD, is yes then how?
[18:06] <topyli> romulo: my epiphany loads pages ok
[18:06] <romulo> well, just wanted to be sure
[18:06] <romulo> going to reconfigure mine
[18:07] <maney> ...though I suppose reimaging hundreds of Ubuntu boxes wouldn't be any worse than reimaging hundreds of XP boxes.  wouldn't be any better, though, which is the rub
[18:07]  * maney goes to lunch
[18:07] <orvokki> cool: Depends on your motherboard.
[18:07] <orvokki> Or actually rather depends on the BIOS support.
[18:08] <cool> orvokki, whats the procedure, in boot menu there is a option to boot from ZIP drives
[18:08] <cool> so how do i make Drive bootable
[18:11] <usar> hi
[18:11] <one_> Hello everyone.
[18:11] <usar> so, hardy hardon will really release with a firefox 3 *beta*?
[18:11] <orvokki> Yes, it will.
[18:11] <usar> will that be fixed in hardy hardon .1 or something?
[18:11] <Derspankster> usar: It that so? haven't heard that.
[18:11] <one_> If I upgrade hardy through "sudo apt-get upgrade" will i need to edit grub?
[18:11] <orvokki> Hardy Heron if you may.
[18:12] <usar> That's what I said. Hardy Hardon.
[18:12]  * orvokki eyerolls
[18:12] <orvokki> !language
[18:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:13] <Some_Person> Does anyone know why it says "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?
[18:13] <mophead> lmao
[18:13] <mophead> usar: read the line again, closer
[18:13] <romulo> topyli, after removing ~/.gnome2/epiphany directory and restarting it it worked
[18:13] <usar> It's not my fault it has such a suggestive name :(
[18:13] <romulo> =p
[18:13] <orvokki> usar: It does not have a suggestive name.
[18:13] <mophead> read. it. *closer*
[18:13] <usar> sure it does
[18:13] <usar> hardy allone is suggestive enough
[18:14] <usar> but Hardy Hardon? I mean, common!
[18:14] <topyli> "hardly"
[18:14] <mophead> I think from now on, that is the name of the distro
[18:14] <hydrogen> hardon is offensive language?..
[18:14] <mophead> I have to go mamke a wallpaper
[18:14] <orvokki> hydrogen: Tentatively.
[18:14] <hydrogen> usar: I think hardly a hardon is more appropriate!
[18:15] <topyli> i suggest you all leave that to the schoolyard and keep it out of ubuntu channels
[18:15] <zub> I'm having some issues with nvidia binary driver - used to work with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic, but doesn't work in 24-14 and 24-16.
[18:15] <orvokki> zub: Which one of those?
[18:15] <zub> Is that a known issue, or I just **** something? :)
[18:15] <zub> you mean which nvidia driver?
[18:15] <orvokki> nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[18:16] <topyli> yay blobs
[18:16] <usar> so, ok, back to business. Is it known if firefox 3 finals will be added in a later update to hardy hardon?
[18:16] <zub> I think -new, but if I recall well, I just used the "for noobs" gui tool
[18:16] <orvokki> !info nvidia-glx
[18:16] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 3762 kB, installed size 12040 kB
[18:16] <orvokki> !info nvidia-glx-new
[18:16] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15256 kB
[18:16] <mophead> !language > usar
[18:17] <usar> mophead: what?
[18:17] <mophead> you know what, never mind.
[18:17] <orvokki> zub: Hmm. Do you have restricted modules installed for your kernel?
[18:17] <zub> well, despite being long term slackware user, I seem to be quite lost with ubuntu
[18:18] <zub> might happen I don't
[18:18] <zub> I'll investigate with apt
[18:18] <usar> zub: or at least with the Hardy Hardon
[18:18] <orvokki> Yeah, sorry. Wonder what's the fastest way to check.
[18:18] <friedtree> usar, take your gutter talk elsewhere
[18:18] <zub> well, right now, if in grub I boot 2.6.24-14-generic, then all works
[18:18] <zub> huh, 2.6.24-12, sorry
[18:18] <orvokki> Right, and when you try the other kernel (which kernel is it) it doesn't?
[18:19] <usar> friedtree: I though this was the right place to talk about Hardy Hardon? I was sent here from #ubuntu...
[18:19] <zub> yes (2.6.24-14-generic and 2.6.24-16-generic)
[18:19] <orvokki> usar: There is no Hardy Hardon, only Hardy Heron.
[18:19] <Nubae> hihi
[18:19] <usar> orvokki: ORLY
[18:19] <orvokki> zub: You might make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed.
[18:20] <orvokki> It should install them to all generic kernels you have.
[18:20] <zub> orvokki: thank you, I'll try
[18:21] <orvokki> You might be lacking the kernel modules for the newer kernels and only have the actual X.org driver.
[18:21] <Some_Person> Does anyone know why it says "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?
[18:21] <orvokki> Hrm, Nvidia driver for X.org even.
[18:21] <slayer^_^> Hi, does anyone know if it is finally possible to use ndiswrapper on hardy? that would solve all my problems, thanx
[18:22] <mophead> is it a common ubuntu+1 problem to have youtube play ten seconds of a video and stop?
[18:22] <usar> Some_Person: well, hardy hardon does come with a firefox 3 beta, might want to install a stable version fitting the 'LTS' philosophy
[18:22] <orvokki> mophead: Sounds like a Flash problem. As to if it's common, I don't know.
[18:23] <Some_Person> usar: i used ff3beta on gutsy, and never got that before
[18:23] <orvokki> Check bug tracker.
[18:23] <tomd123> mophead: all flash on ff3beta is really buggy, mine crashes randomly on different pages containing flash
[18:23] <mophead> where is that again?
[18:23] <Some_Person> flash working here
[18:23] <orvokki> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu Somewhere around here, I think.
[18:23] <cool> How to install Syslinux, i am installing  FromUSBStick as described here ==> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:24] <usar> Some_Person: doesn't mean that hardy's hardon didn't fuck you there, mate
[18:24] <mophead> tomd: so it's a ff3 problem, not a hardy problem
[18:24] <jussio1> !ohmy | usar
[18:24] <ubotu> usar: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:24] <tomd123> mophead: I didn't say it was an ubuntu problem :P
[18:24] <Some_Person> usar: dont swear, and dont insult me or hardy
[18:25] <mophead> tomd123: I know, I asked if it was an ubuntu problem
[18:25] <mophead> some_person: /ignore usar
[18:25] <NW2190> Hi, anyone know of any good docks for GNOME?
[18:25] <Some_Person> thank you, mophead
[18:25] <tomd123> mophead: oh, if you put a
[18:25] <orvokki> mophead: Or just complain to ops.
[18:25] <tomd123> ? at the end I would have known :-D
[18:25] <Consty> Is there a way to fix the darklooks theme add on installed through the repositories? It's showing up as a different theme in the theme browser
[18:26] <slayer^_^> Hi, does anyone know if it is finally possible to use ndiswrapper on hardy? that would solve all my problems, thanx
[18:26] <orvokki> slayer^_^: What's prevented you from using it before Hardy?
[18:26] <usar> does hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?
[18:26] <mophead> some_person: no problem
[18:26] <mophead> tomd123: pardon?
[18:27] <tomd123> mophead: you said that you were asking me, so I said that without a ? it sounded like you were stating something
[18:28] <mophead> ahh
[18:28] <slayer^_^> orvokki : i use ndiswrapper with gutsy, i can't use it with hardy
[18:28] <orvokki> Ah.
[18:28] <slayer^_^> orvokki : there's the ssb conflict, you know...
[18:28] <slayer^_^> orvokki : and the only way my broadcom works properly is ndiswrapper!
[18:29] <orvokki> B43 doesn't work for you? Well, you can always blacklist it and go back to ndiswrapper.
[18:29] <usar> does hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?
[18:29] <slayer^_^> orvokki : i would like doing that ! but there's a stoopid bug that prevents me using ndiswrapper
[18:29] <orvokki> Ah. :/
[18:29] <slayer^_^> orvokki : i tried the modprobe -r tricks that i found around the web
[18:30] <slayer^_^> orvokki : however NO WAY ndiswrapper works
[18:30] <orvokki> slayer^_^: Did you do the blacklist and b43 removal first, btw?
[18:30] <slayer^_^> orvokki : sure i did
[18:30] <slayer^_^> i blacklisted ssb too
[18:30] <slayer^_^> if you search the forums everyone has troubles using ndiswrapper
[18:31] <slayer^_^> so i wanted to know if there are news and the bug has been fixed
[18:31] <orvokki> Hmm. I wouldn't know. I don't have an x86 machine with broadcom wifi.
[18:32] <theuser1> using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the ubuntu os, error message i get is  unable to read from image block 0  ,       g4l uses   partiimage   and that uses  the dd comand i   think.....              any help?
[18:32] <usar> does hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?
[18:32] <hydrogen> you already asked that
[18:32] <slayer^_^> DARN
[18:32] <hydrogen> twice
[18:32] <hydrogen> stop spamming
[18:33] <usar> hydrogen: yeah, well, I got no answer. and since I last asked it, several new people who might be willing/able to answer the question have joined the channel
[18:34] <hydrogen> usar: and 382 people were still here that have now seen you ask it three times in the last 5 minutes
[18:35] <mophead> hey everyone: /ignore usar it's easy!
[18:35] <usar> hydrogen: I seem to have trouble understanding why reading a sentence more than once is so painful
[18:36] <hydrogen> usar: It runs other peoples questions off the screen
[18:36] <orvokki> mophead: Ubuntu channels have rules, you don't need to resort to that.
[18:36] <mophead> orvokki: what do you mean resort?  it's easy!
[18:36] <mophead> easy!
[18:37] <orvokki> mophead: Easier than calling the o-word?
[18:37] <usar> hydrogen: more like 'creep'
[18:38] <murlidhar> i have mounted the alternate cd to /media/cdrom0   now what
[18:38] <usar> hydrogen: the discussion you started about it already took up way more screenspace then my continuing asking would have
[18:38] <orvokki> mophead: I don't want to bother them without a reason. :)
[18:38] <hydrogen> usar: only because you refuse to follow the rules of the channel..
[18:38] <mophead> orvokki: bother who?  and I"m not sure what the o-word is
[18:38] <orvokki> mophead: Ops. :P
[18:39] <hydrogen> anyways... will my having a custom kernel cause the upgrade from gutsy->hardy to be any more difficult?
[18:39] <theuser1> using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the ubuntu os, error message i get is  unable to read from image block 0  ,       g4l uses   partiimage   and that uses  the dd comand i   think.....              any help?
[18:39] <usar> does hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?
[18:40] <hydrogen> !patience | usar
[18:40] <ubotu> usar: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:40] <murlidhar> i have mounted the alternate cd to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso   now what
[18:40] <usar> !stfu | hydrogen
[18:40] <ubotu> hydrogen: Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[18:41] <hydrogen> ubotu: you pointed that in the wrong direction my robotic friend :(
[18:41] <bts3685> ubotu: no botsnack for you!
[18:41] <mophead> aww, but he's trying!
[18:42] <bts3685> ohhh okay. true.
[18:42] <murlidhar> anybody?
[18:42] <Trewas> usar: afaik it still works just like the old init system, I'd guess nothing will change until debian changes to upstart
[18:42] <murlidhar> i have mounted the alternate cd to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso
[18:42] <usar> Trewas: which will be never
[18:42] <Trewas> usar: well, there might be some slight possibility now that fedora started using it...
[18:43] <usar> Trewas: but ok, makes sense. waiting for debian to do the real groundwork like they always do 8)
[18:43] <murlidhar> !offtopic
[18:43] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[18:43] <wastrel> please join #debian and act like you're acting here.
[18:43] <wastrel> see how fast you're banned
[18:43] <suriro> murlidhar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[18:43] <usar> wastrel: they don't have a relase called hardy hardon :(
[18:43] <theuser1>  can any one recomend an easy to use utilitiy that can make image of a partition for backup and can support compression?
[18:44] <hydrogen> trolly troll is trolly
[18:44] <tomd123> usar: are you trying to be annoying? please say yes
[18:44] <usar> tomd123: no, I am just a concerned citizen
[18:44] <wastrel> concerned citizen == troll  for the most part in my experience
[18:44] <wastrel> at least in IRC context
[18:45] <orvokki> Yeah, was going to make the addition.
[18:45] <Clinteger> *sigh* have to download like 500mb just from the last beta i downloaded to the RC
[18:45] <murlidhar> suriro, it gives nothing regarding the upgrade from a mounted iso file
[18:45] <usar> Clinteger: that's the hardy hardon way!
[18:45] <murlidhar> i have mounted the alternate cd iso file to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso
[18:46] <orvokki> Clinteger: Hmm, didn't update for quite a while then?
[18:46] <Clinteger> well
[18:46] <Clinteger> I downloaded a beta, but I didnt think it was that old lmao
[18:46] <tomd123> usar:  are you a mercenary hired by M$ to annoy users of Ubuntu?
[18:47] <Clinteger> oh orvokki, its from the 9th lol
[18:47] <orvokki> Clinteger: You'd have needed to update regurarly - like every few days - to keep up. Packages are still released quite fast in beta phase.
[18:47] <Clinteger> orvokki, well, I just installed it again :p
[18:47] <unicum> is there any word as on when there'll be drivers actually supporting the >broadcom 4328 wifi chipset< ??
[18:48] <orvokki> As b43 official site lists it as unsupported, no.
[18:48] <murlidhar> unicum, afaik though i am sure they are included in the latest kernel
[18:48] <usar> tomd123: nah, I am a UNIX user who just wants to find out about Hardy Hardon
[18:48] <orvokki> murlidhar: Not that chipset.
[18:49] <murlidhar> thanks orvokki for the info
[18:49] <unicum> murlidhar negative, i'm using the latest kernel
[18:49] <unicum> afaik
[18:49] <orvokki> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported
[18:49] <usar> so, where's the new theme promissed for hardy hardon? :(
[18:50] <wastrel> hardy heron
[18:50] <unicum> orvokki think this will change?
[18:50] <wastrel> ubuntu releases are named for animals
[18:50] <wastrel> a heron is a kind of bird
[18:50] <murlidhar> unicum, this is not in the hands of ubuntu
[18:50] <unicum> it's really disturbing having to use those sh*tt* windows drivers on a macbook
[18:50] <usar> wastrel: and a hardon is a kind of snake I guess?
[18:50] <wastrel> it's not a kind of snake, it's a slang term for an erect penis
[18:50] <orvokki> unicum: Can't tell. It will change when b43 developers manage to write support. Keep a track on them.
[18:50] <unicum> murlidhar meaning it's in the hands of broadcom or what?
[18:50] <orvokki> Nono.
[18:50] <usar> wastrel: you don't say
[18:50] <unicum> i shall have to
[18:51] <orvokki> Not broadcom but b43 developers.
[18:51] <murlidhar> unicum, its in the hands of kernel developers
[18:51] <orvokki> When they get the drivers done, it will be incorporated to Linux kernel.
[18:51] <unicum> so that would be mister linus and his friends, right?
[18:51] <hydrogen> following the upgrade instructions for kubuntu is not giving me a version update option..
[18:51] <bts3685> does !ops work in here?
[18:51] <orvokki> unicum: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported Read.
[18:51] <tomd123> usar: why are you asking about themes, try some builtin ones or download some off the internet
[18:51] <orvokki> Also other pages on the site.
[18:51] <orvokki> bts3685: It should.
[18:52] <usar> tomd123: well, I was looking forward to seeing the new theme for hardy hardon
[18:52] <murlidhar> i have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????
[18:52] <usar> tomd123: but I guess it got delayed until hardy hardon plus one?
[18:52] <bts3685> i give usar one more before we call ops on him then.
[18:52] <murlidhar> i don[t want to burn it
[18:52] <wastrel> tomd123: stop responding to usar, he's just trying to be provocative
[18:52] <hydrogen> don't feed the trolls people
[18:53] <tomd123> sry:-( how do you mute people in IRC?
[18:53] <wastrel> to put it more succinctly
[18:53] <usar> bts3685: will that be the hardy hardon ops?
[18:53] <mophead> tomd123: /ignore usar
[18:53] <basso_> I wonder.. Why cant i configure Wireless or make it work when in KDE4?
[18:54] <unicum> another question.. is there a way to actually drag the osx drivers into my linux, instead of ndiswrapping the windows drivers?
[18:54] <tomd123> mophead, I'm using pidgin, that doesn't work
[18:54] <mophead> ahh
[18:54] <murlidhar> i have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????
[18:54] <usar> basso_: well, hardy hardon only comes with a gamma of KDE4, that does not support wireless
[18:54] <wastrel> tomd123: maybe right-click the nickname & check the menu
[18:54] <murlidhar>  anybody  here who has the answer?
[18:54] <usar> murlidhar: no you can go ahead installing hardy hardon! \o/
[18:55] <hydrogen> mm, as usual adept is unusable
[18:55] <bts3685> !ops usar trolling and behaving inappropriately
[18:55] <hydrogen> yay
[18:55]  * murlidhar kicks usar for free in the a$$
[18:55] <tomd123> wastrel: thnx, I'm not used to right clicking -> ignore :P
[18:55] <sailaway85> Looking at files copied or win net.. Does ubuntu leave the files where they were and just load pointers in new directory?
[18:55] <finalbeta> damn, the new wine version totally breaks flashfxp for me.
[18:55] <basso_> usar: Thx for the easiest answer yet :D
[18:55] <usar> !stfu | bts3685
[18:55] <ubotu> bts3685: Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[18:56] <sailaway85> or =over
[18:56] <hydrogen> !ops
[18:56] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!
[18:56] <usar> took you long enough
[18:56] <hydrogen> well, channel emergency is a bit of an exageration :(
[18:56] <bts3685> hmm. i guess it doesn't take strings with it
[18:56] <orvokki> Nice response time. ^^
[18:57] <Seveas> so, what's going on here?
[18:57] <hydrogen> usar's just being a troll :(
[18:57] <orvokki> Just a user spreading misinformation, trolling, using offensive language and the sorts.
[18:57] <hydrogen> and too many people are feeding him snacks
[18:57] <Seveas> how about bts3685 ? (didn't read backlog yet)
[18:58] <hydrogen> wasn't trolling
[18:58] <zionpsyfer> bts3685 is fine.
[18:58] <Seveas> k
[18:58] <murlidhar> usar trolling and behaving inappropriately
[18:58] <bts3685> thanks guys, thanks Seveas :)
[18:58] <py3k-er> hello
[18:58] <bhsx> bah sorry bout that
[18:58] <wastrel> wasn't even that good a troll
[18:58] <murlidhar> thanks Seveas
[18:59] <Seveas> next time call !ops earlier if people are trolling. No need to let them disturb the channel
[18:59] <mophead> bts3685: I'm off - thanks for the help with the partitioning stuff
[18:59] <py3k-er> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is  2.6.25   Which version of the Linux kernel does Ubuntu 8.04 have?
[18:59] <HUSAH> so, how about that hardy hardon?
[18:59] <bhsx> everything seems very solid so far... i've been installing/reinstalling the beta for about a month...  i just did a fresh install from same beta and a dist-upgrade, installed the medibuntu stuff... and all seems perfect... well done
[19:00] <bhsx> i take it hardy is now on a total code freeze?
[19:00] <hydrogen> py3k-er: I'm pretty sure it's going to use 2.6.24
[19:00] <tomd123> just to clear up my understanding, does the alternate cd have a minimal install, such that you can install only the command line interface, or is that just the server edition?
[19:00] <TailsLinux> 2.6.24.x
[19:00] <hydrogen> because 2.6.25 was released a bit too late
[19:00] <py3k-er> hydrogen but we'll be able to update the kernel through apt-get right?
[19:00] <hydrogen> nah
[19:01] <hydrogen> the kernel doesn't get backported
[19:01] <HUSAH> py3k-er: yeah, hardy hardon sure will use .24 it's lame that way :(
[19:01] <hydrogen> Seveas: ban evasion :(
[19:01] <bhsx> you can always roll your own :)
[19:01] <py3k-er> i think this kernel freeze was made too soon
[19:01] <TailsLinux> no you will need to compile it from kernel.org iirc
[19:01] <Seveas> not anymore
[19:01] <murlidhar> i have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????
[19:01] <bts3685> teehee. usar was pwned.
[19:01] <bts3685> murlidhar: now you burn it!
[19:01] <wastrel> isn't it against freenode policy to misbehave while using a cloak?
[19:02] <wastrel> the cloak can be taken away oui?
[19:02] <hydrogen> py3k-er: It needed to happen by the rc
[19:02] <wastrel> iono
[19:02] <Seveas> wastrel, it is always against freenode policy to misbehave
[19:02] <wastrel> naturally
[19:02] <murlidhar> bts3685, i have mounted it instead of burning
[19:02] <wastrel> but more egregious when you're supposedly representing a group tha has a custom cloak
[19:02] <murlidhar> bts3685, now what?
[19:02] <wastrel> weird cloak tho
[19:02] <Asa_A> What is a cloak on freenode?
[19:02] <py3k-er> hydrogen so i will not be able, in any way, to update to kernel 2.6.25 after i install ubuntu 8.04?
[19:02] <bts3685> murlidhar: ohhh that's right. are you trying to boot from flash; was that you?
[19:02] <murlidhar> no
[19:02] <orvokki> wastrel: Wasn't a cloak, really imo.
[19:03] <orvokki> Rather a webchat.
[19:03] <wastrel> Asa_A: like me, my hostmask is cloaked
[19:03] <bts3685> murlidhar: ah. what did you want to do then?
[19:03] <hydrogen> py3k-er: you will be if you install it outside of the package management; it is a bit of work however
[19:03] <murlidhar> bts3685, i want to use the ./cdromupgrade command work
[19:03] <orvokki> I suppose the beginning, which Seveas banned, has his IPv4 address in hex-decimal form.
[19:03] <Seveas> wastrel, gateway/ isn't a cloak
[19:03] <murlidhar> bts3685, it is giving errors
[19:03] <wastrel> oic
[19:03] <Seveas> orvokki, correct. The ip address was banned as well
[19:03] <py3k-er> hydrogen is there any tutorial on how to achieve this upgrading of the linux kernel on ubuntu?
[19:04] <Seveas> chanserv.py rocks :)
[19:04] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63763/
[19:04] <bhsx> actually, does anyone know of a good way to get hardy onto a 2gb flash drive and have persistence? (i.e., not just running the .iso off the flash?
[19:04] <bhsx> should i just 'install it' to the flash drive do you think?
[19:05] <hydrogen> py3k-er: yea... one minute
[19:05] <sailaway85> should I be changing to fat32 on windows users in network scenario
[19:05] <hydrogen> I'll try and dig it up
[19:05] <TailsLinux> py3k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/software/CustomKernel but, idk if it works with hardy
[19:05] <py3k-er> hydrogen okay
[19:06] <hydrogen> yea, that link
[19:06] <hydrogen> I have not tried it with hardy yet, however
[19:06] <py3k-er> it works with hardy as well?
[19:06] <py3k-er> hmmm
[19:06] <py3k-er> i don't wanna mess my OS
[19:07] <py3k-er> please give a reliable tutorial
[19:07] <TailsLinux> i am going to wait to see if they update the info
[19:07] <hydrogen> py3k-er: I'm pretty sure there isn't one yet for hardy
[19:07] <hydrogen> why do you need 2.6.25?
[19:09] <py3k-er> omg this is too much work
[19:09] <mnemo> how can I print a list of all packages that I explicitly installed (using for example "sudo apt-get install XYZ") and thus NOT installed dependency packages nor pre-installed packages ???
[19:09] <Asa_A> does anyone here have any experience with mythtv on hardy? I followed the instructions here (http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html), but my frontend still doesn't get any sound.
[19:09] <orvokki> Heh.
[19:09] <DanaG> Odd... I ran azureus under compiz, with a cardbus NIC, and didn't get a whole-OS lockup -- only Xorg locked, and I was able to SAK it.
[19:10] <py3k-er> hydrogen i like to have everything the latest version... call me pedantic, i don't mind ;)
[19:10] <DanaG> Normally, with my built-in NIC, I'd have gotten a complete hard-lockup.
[19:10] <hydrogen> py3k-er: I would not worry about it for the kernel
[19:11] <py3k-er> hydrogen are there any .deb packages of the linux kernel made?
[19:11] <DanaG> Odd.... and now my GPU has dropped into crap mode.
[19:11] <DanaG> i.e. unaccelerated.
[19:11] <DanaG> Thanks a lot, nvidia.
[19:11] <orvokki> Nvidia. <3
[19:13] <bardyr> py3k-er, what about the linux-image deb's ?
[19:13] <wastrel> i have nvidia
[19:14] <py3k-er> bardyr come again?
[19:15] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[19:15] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.16.18 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[19:15] <Clinteger> hmm
[19:16] <py3k-er> i would like for hardy to have the latest kernel
[19:16] <Clinteger> I need to upgrade to the latest RC, and doing a partial dist upgrade isnt working.. the first time, pkg d/l failed, but now the window's stuck open, but its all grey, like, the window border and everything, and i dont know the process to close it
[19:16] <_Lucretia_> I´ve just upgraded to hardy from gutsy, Iv´e changed my keyboard layout as it was wrong, but now I have to press some keys twice, i.e. ´ <- which should be apostrophe andd ~ and ¨
[19:16] <_Lucretia_> why?
[19:16] <py3k-er> they should extend the fucking kernel freeze
[19:16] <hydrogen> py3k-er: and risk a potential major bug in the release just so you can be OMGBLEDEINGEDGE?
[19:17] <py3k-er> yes
[19:17] <zionpsyfer> .....
[19:17] <bts3685> py3k-er: if you want bleeding edge, i'd recommend gentoo or slackware instead
[19:17] <bts3685> or even LFS
[19:17] <py3k-er> or even your stupid ass
[19:17] <zub> _Lucretia_: dead keys would behave like that (I mean dead keys in keymap)
[19:17] <Arelis> What's ccsm called in Hardy?
[19:18] <tomd123> py3k-er: don't get aggressive, if you really want to have the bleeding edge, why don't you compile the latest kernel and run that?
[19:18] <zionpsyfer> or compiling your own would be even better if you're after bleeding edge
[19:18] <zub> _Lucretia_: does "setxkbmap us" change this issue?
[19:18] <py3k-er> shut up
[19:18] <py3k-er> i fucking hate linux!
[19:18] <py3k-er> bye
[19:18] <tomd123> py3k-er: did you say shut up because you can't compile your own kernel?
[19:18] <zionpsyfer> usar returns?
[19:18] <bts3685> wow.
[19:18] <zub> lol :))
[19:18] <hydrogen> must be a full moon...
[19:18] <_Lucretia_> zub: I want a uk keyboard
[19:18] <_Lucretia_> keymap
[19:19] <Asa_A> Arelis: I think its compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:19] <tomd123> wow, that was brutal, probably usar took over someone's computer :)
[19:19] <bts3685> you know, i can't believe i'm saying this, but some people really should not try to LEARN GNU/Linux and should just stick to using it.
[19:19] <bts3685> tomd123: yeah, man; usar is one 1337 hackar d00d
[19:20] <zionpsyfer> sudo apt-get install exorcist > usar
[19:20] <bts3685> haha
[19:20] <bts3685> ...
[19:20] <zub> what's the "correct" way to configure X in hardy? I know how would I do this by hand, but I don't want to interfere with some (suspected) automagical tool in ubuntu
[19:20]  * bts3685 does an apt-cache search exorcist
[19:21] <tomd123> bts3685: I think that if you don't understand the behind the scenes action that take place, you won't fully appreciate the products you have.
[19:21] <Arelis> Asa_A: thanks, you were right.
[19:21] <_Lucretia_> zub: I get: setxkbmap uk    Error loading new keyboard description
[19:21] <zub> basically... I have a damned nvidia gfx card (after having suffered a lot with ati)... worked fine with their blob, then it broke, I did apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[19:22] <_Lucretia_> zub: ah, gb
[19:22] <zub> but seems X still uses vesa or something
[19:22] <bts3685> tomd123: well, that's true to a point, but there are some people that are just really too impatient. you know? they think they'll become uber-leet haxor dudes and don't want to invest any time or energy actually /learning/ the stuff
[19:23] <bts3685> linux is like a chainsaw- you can do a LOT more with it compared to an axe, but you can't use it the same way. you need to learn how to handle it properly first and understand WHY it's different.
[19:24] <tomd123> bts3685: I think they just don't understand hard work. They got fed eyecandy with windows and now they don't want maincourse :P
[19:25] <scarygary> Does anyone know if there's a patch available for the native rt2870(D-link DWA-140) driver to make it compile in hardy?
[19:25] <bts3685> oooh, better analogy
[19:25] <murlidhar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63763/
[19:25] <murlidhar> anybody?
[19:25] <sailaway85> is running kde & gnome ok? or am I due for a reinstall ?
[19:26] <alarmo> Hello, everyone.
[19:26] <bts3685> murlidhar: read the second line. the file doesn't exist. i'm not sure if that's the cdromupgrade script or if it's because you're missing a component.
[19:27] <bts3685> sailaway85: no, that's perfectly fine
[19:27] <alarmo> Hey, guys...
[19:27] <alarmo> How can I reconfigure my video settings in Hardy's XOrg ?
[19:27] <alarmo> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only gives me keyboard options...
[19:27] <sailaway85> bts3685: Lot of better apps in kde ...
[19:29] <murlidhar> bts3685, the file is there
[19:29] <murlidhar> bts3685, i just cross checked it
[19:29] <bts3685> sailaway85: i'm a gnome user, and i agree. :( i feel like we're left out
[19:29] <sailaway85> bts3685: can import wallpapers the same though ... whats offered sucks
[19:29] <bts3685> murlidhar: i'd need to see the actual script then
[19:29] <bts3685> sailaway85: can you? yeah, totally. they're just PNG gfx
[19:29] <murlidhar> bts3685, ok one second
[19:30] <sailaway85> The sound and video is lame in gnome compared to ked
[19:30] <tomd123> murlidhar: the 2nd line has a mispelling. shouldn't it be one slash instead of 2 in the hardy.tar.gz?
[19:30] <peter77> The speakers on my Toshiba satellite pro A120 do not mute when I insert my headphones into the jack, is there a fix available?
[19:30] <tomd123> murlidhar: that's got to be your problem
[19:31] <tomd123> murlidhar: unless your file is named "/hardy.tar.gz" :P
[19:31] <_Lucretia_> what's the name of the program to set up the X server?
[19:31] <tomd123> xorgcfg?
[19:31] <_Lucretia_> nah
[19:31] <sailaway85> bts3685: typo can  s/b can't... I havent figured it out yet in kde wallpapers
[19:31] <bts3685> tomd123: in which case the path would have to be ...foo.../\/hardy.tar.gz
[19:31] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, if you find out, please let me know... I'm looking for the same stuff
[19:32] <orvokki> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver?
[19:32] <_Lucretia_> when I installed hardy gdm (or something) started a gui app where I could select drivers etc
[19:32] <murlidhar> tomd123, actually it is a script that has come with the alternate cd , i didn't change it
[19:32] <murlidhar> bts3685, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63769/
[19:32] <_Lucretia_> Package `xorg-xserver' is not installed and no info is available
[19:32] <bts3685> sailaway85: i THINK they're somewhere in /var/lib
[19:32] <orvokki> _Lucretia_: xserver-xorg then?
[19:32] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... but here it only gives me keyboard stuff
[19:32]  * _Lucretia_ is trying to get accelerated fglrx
[19:33] <Exilant> use restricted manager
[19:33] <Clinteger> hey, I'm running hardy and my wireles card intel 2200bg doesn't seem to turn on.. it was working for a bit but then it shut off and now it wont go on
[19:33] <Exilant> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:33] <_Lucretia_> Exilant: how?
[19:33] <sailaway85> bts3685: checkout ---> wallpaper nexus... incredible
[19:34] <cool> i have installed syslinux on Flash drive & copied all Ubuntu files on it from iso. But when i boot through it. i get a "boot: " promt. what is missing here?
[19:34] <tomd123> murlidhar: looks like theres a mispelling because i doubt there is a file called "/hardy.tar.gz"
[19:34] <Exilant> _Lucretia_: well, add/replace fglrx as driver
[19:34] <tomd123> murlidhar: try change the script to point to the exact location of the file
[19:35] <alarmo> Exilant, won't it overwrite my config on update, if I hand edit it ?
[19:35] <murlidhar> tomd123, u mean the script of alternate cd that i have downloaded from ubuntu.com has a mispelling ?
[19:35] <_Lucretia_> Exilant: I've added the fglrx driver, it's downloaded, I've rebooted, it's installed (a la lsmod), but I've got 1) the wrong keymap (which can be fixed with setxkbmap gb, 2) indirect gl
[19:35] <Exilant> it will ask you
[19:36] <Exilant> so fireglconfig still gives you mesa?
[19:36] <alarmo> well... going to test my new Xorg stuff then... I was avoiding editing it because I thought it would be overwritten
[19:36] <Exilant> um sorry, fglrxinfo?
[19:36] <tomd123> murlidhar: I don't know, if the actual path doesn't have 2 slashes then I would try changing it, make a back up of the files just in case :P
[19:37] <sailaway85> vmware  .. someone in here told me not to run if I dont have a v type cpu ... seems like vmware doesn't use?
[19:37] <bts3685> yeah, looks like the script has a trailing slash
[19:38] <tomd123> murlidhar: have fun submitting a bug report :P
[19:38] <Clinteger> is there a problem with samba shares in 8.04 beta/
[19:39] <tomd123> I don't exactly know how ubuntu handles easy bugs, would you just submit the fix to someone and it would work out?
[19:39] <murlidhar> tomd123, naah each time i submit a bug report it turns out that it is working for everybody but me
[19:40] <tomd123> lol k
[19:40] <murlidhar> tomd123, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63769/  here is the script
[19:40] <Asa_A> sailaway85: by v type cpu do you mean one with hardware acceleration? vmware can run with or without it, it obviously just runs better if you do have it.
[19:41] <bts3685> lots better
[19:41] <alarmo> hmmm does anyone know of a way to painlessly install xorgconfig in 8.04 beta
[19:41] <Asa_A> sailaway85: there are some other virtual machene packages available in Ubuntu, I recommend virtualbox-ose
[19:42] <alarmo> (sorry for no question Mark... but this thing now borked my keyboard mapping)
[19:42] <sailaway85> Asa_A: visualization cpu ... thanks cause vmware is now running like a dream... seems more stable than vbox
[19:43] <Lunar_Lamp> CDs will mount fine in my DVD drive, but when I insert a DVD it tells me they are blank discs - what;s going on?
[19:43] <tomd123> murlidhar: try http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63770/
[19:43] <tomd123> I just removed the extra / in upgrader_dir
[19:44] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, had any luck there
[19:44] <tomd123> murlidhar: I would backup the files its working with though, I didn't actually test it :P
[19:44] <zub> hm, why does modprobe nvidia complain "Error running install command for nvidia"?
[19:45] <zub> seems to me like it was trying to day more thing than just to load the module
[19:45] <zub> s/day/do way/
[19:45] <tomd123> murlidhar: I'm pretty sure that will work though
[19:45] <orvokki> zub: Are you sure it's not already loaded?
[19:45] <kaminix> Is there anyway to boost the signal from between my laptop and my wireless router?
[19:45] <Clinteger> hmm. i cant access any samba shares in hardy :(
[19:45] <zub> lsmod doesn mention that
[19:46] <bts3685> kaminix: not really legally in the US.
[19:46] <murlidhar> tomd123, so is it better to burn it and then see ?
[19:46] <kaminix> I know it has been higher, but now it's on max 1mbit 50% signal strenght.
[19:46] <tomd123> murlidhar: did the script work though?
[19:46] <bts3685> kaminix: ahhh. are you using a eeepc?
[19:46] <murlidhar> tomd123, will check
[19:47] <zub> orvokki: I tried insmod, it complains about unknown symbols :-/
[19:47] <zionpsyfer> Did I read someone mention issues with wine in hardy?  How serious do they appear to be?
[19:47] <sailaway85> CLinteger: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[19:47] <zub> but it's in 2.6.24-16, and uname -a spis 2.6.24-16
[19:47] <tomd123> kaminix: get a larger antenna/better adapter or router, that's all I can think of, or just go closer to your router
[19:47] <zub> aha, maybe some dependancy
[19:47] <Clinteger> sailaway85, what does that have to do with samba?
[19:48] <murlidhar> tomd123, i cannot save it since it is mounted
[19:48] <sailaway85> Clinteger: setup samba and config file sequence
[19:49] <Clinteger> sailaway85 well thats totally the wrong link, and could you elaborate how to configure the file sequence, please?
[19:49] <Clinteger> i've done sudo apt-get install samba
[19:49] <sailaway85> Cliinteger: give me a second
[19:50] <tomd123> murlidhar: save what?
[19:50] <Ramunas> hello, I only get 2.6MB/s read speed from my card reader with a CF card in it, I think its a bit too slow, any ideas?
[19:50] <Clinteger> wel.
[19:50] <Clinteger> well*.
[19:50] <murlidhar> tomd123, script
[19:50] <Clinteger> it appears there was just a kernel panic.
[19:50] <Clinteger> wireless driver :
[19:50] <sailaway85> Clinteger: sorry heres the right leink    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[19:51] <murlidhar> tomd123, since it is mounted , it cannot be edited
[19:51] <Clinteger> thanks sailaway85
[19:52] <tomd123> murlidhar: I think I found your problem
[19:52] <tomd123> read the WARNING in the comments section of the script
[19:52] <murlidhar> go on
[19:52] <Ergo^> evening
[19:52] <Ergo^> do we have in hardy RC simple ccsm for compiz or the normal compiz configurator ?
[19:53] <tomd123> murlidhar: you're supposed to call it with an absolute path, ie, /cdrom/cdromupgrade you called it with ./cdromupgrade
[19:53] <sailaway85> Clinteger: dont give samba a file path thats existing or a users home or you will get  errors when logging in
[19:53] <tomd123> so try the script with the absolute path
[19:53] <Asa_A> Ergo^: try simple-ccsm
[19:54] <murlidhar> tomd123, ok i give a try
[19:54] <Asa_A> the normal config is compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:55] <kaminix> bts3685: Nope, laptop. The signal strength is limiting it to 1mbit. I'm starting to think something's wrong with the router.
[19:55] <kaminix> Apparently they had 'Signal strength: low' on my parents computer too.
[19:55] <murlidhar> tomd123, root@murlidhar-desktop:/home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso# ./cdromupgrade
[19:55] <sailaway85> Clinteger: samba puts its profile in its directory
[19:55] <kaminix> Wheras it's usually 'high'
[19:56] <murlidhar> tomd123, i am inside the folder
[19:56] <tomd123> murlidhar: don't use ./cdromupgrade use the absolute path! like instead of ./myfile, use /home/name/myfile
[19:57] <zub> huh, so I'm up and running, at least as for the nvidia blob issue :)
[19:57] <zub> basically, depmod -a did the thing
[19:57] <murlidhar> tomd123, :)))))))
[19:58] <murlidhar> worked!!!
[19:58] <murlidhar> tomd123, thanks
[19:58] <MTecknology> so... what do I do if I want to install a Beryl theme?
[19:59] <tomd123> murlidhar: np
[19:59] <murlidhar> :) i was breaking my head
[19:59] <tomd123> scripts can do that :P
[20:00] <shawnr> Need help soundcard, not recognized after installing/uninstalling modem driver
[20:00] <ffm> Anyone here care to confirm bug 219407 (firefox bug)? It seriously takes less than 20 seconds, and there may be cake in your future... </cake>
[20:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219407 in firefox-3.0 "REGRESSION: Firefox does not process some downloads properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219407
[20:00] <ShackJack> Anyone else's firefox 3 being naughty... Mine's maxing out my CPU/load even though top and system monitor say it isn't...
[20:00] <bts3685> ffm: the cake is a LIE
[20:00] <ffm> bts3685: Yes, we all know. Now care to look a the bug?
[20:01] <MTecknology> is it ok to install beryl in 8.04 and still use compiz?
[20:02] <ShackJack> MTecknology: No need to install beryl these days...
[20:02] <MTecknology> ShackJack, what about beryl themes?
[20:02] <MTecknology> that's all i care about
[20:02] <ShackJack> You mean emerald themes? They run on compiz - just have to install emerald...
[20:02] <orvokki> Compiz-fusion == fusion between old Beryl and old Compiz.
[20:02] <orvokki> And Compiz-fusion is the thing used nowadays.
[20:02] <ShackJack> MTecknology: and add the usual emerald --replace to your startup, etc...
[20:03] <MTecknology> k, ty
[20:03] <Ergo^> Asa_A: last time i had beta - normal ccsm wasnt enabling the "custom" setting for visuals
[20:03] <zub> I'm having problems with virtualbox on hardy
[20:03] <ShackJack> So anyone here having issues with Firefox maxing out the CPU?
[20:03] <Ergo^> i had to use simple ccsm
[20:03] <murlidhar> MTecknology, yes beryl themes can be managed by emerald theme manager
[20:03] <zub> seems the vboxdrv module is gone; is it in virtualbox package, or in some other?
[20:03] <bts3685> ShackJack: which cpu?
[20:03] <murlidhar> MTecknology, for more info join #compiz
[20:03] <MTecknology> ty
[20:03] <ShackJack> bts3685: It seems both... it seems to be related to FF though top and system monitor say they aren't maxede when looking
[20:04] <shawnr> Any one help with sound card
[20:04] <bts3685> ShackJack: ..no, i meant what make/model cpu
[20:04] <ShackJack> bts3685: Intel T2050 Core Duo
[20:04] <bts3685> ShackJack: and this is Fx3 beta?
[20:05] <ShackJack> bts3685: Yes, b5 with Flash (propietary) installed)... I haven't tried disabling Flahs yet..
[20:05] <bts3685> ShackJack: try disabling flash. you might be surprised ;)
[20:05] <tomd123> ShackJack: that or java
[20:06] <ShackJack> bts3685: Heehee - yeah I was guessing - though I didn't have a problem with it in FF2 and it's more or less the same plugin... Not runnin Java - bleech!
[20:06] <ShackJack> Which is the proper package to run FF2 along side 3 is it firefox-2 I'm guessing - I don't see a meta package
[20:07] <bts3685> ShackJack: mozilla's fixed a lot of the memory problems in fx3, so i wouldn't be surprised if this is a repercussion of it
[20:07] <ShackJack> (assumeing FF2 cna run along side of FF3?)
[20:07] <shawnr> ShackJack: firefox-2
[20:07] <ShackJack> bts3685: Yeah it was running good b4... not so much now... I just did a fresh install cause I couldn't solve some mysterious problem with my fglrx driver and compiz
[20:08] <_Lucretia_> do I need dri for fglrx?
[20:09] <_Lucretia_> I have glx, GLcore and v4l loaded in the xorg.conf
[20:09] <ShackJack> _Lucretia_: Where Hardy is concerned I let it do the config via Restricted drivers manager
[20:10] <_Lucretia_> ShackJack: well, I've selected the driver and it installed the driver, I rebooted. when I first upgraded it wouldn't actually select the driver no matter how many times I clicked it
[20:11] <ShackJack> _Lucretia_: Yeah I was having similar issues, I just did fresh install because none of the usual methods would work.. :(
[20:11] <Had3l> Anyone else having problems with wireless in 8.04?
[20:11] <rsk> Had3l: loads :O)
[20:11] <_Lucretia_> Had3l: nope, works for me
[20:11] <bardyr> Had3l, what card do you have and what problems?
[20:11] <ShackJack> bts3685: Somethings peggins my CPU again... I have firefox on, but no page loaded and jsut diabled Flash plugin... It's being naughty
[20:12] <_Lucretia_> can someone tell my this doesn't work? sudo dpkg-reconfigure dexconf: Package `dexconf' is not installed and no info is available.
[20:12] <ShackJack> Why doesn't top or sysmon show what's taking all the cycles?!
[20:12] <Had3l> Used to work perfectly in 7.10, I upgraded and it suddenly stopped working, it won't detect any networks
[20:12] <bts3685> ShackJack: what does top say? what usage?
[20:12] <Had3l> I use a Vaio VGN-TXN17P
[20:12] <bts3685> Had3l: you'll need to put the wifi module back in/recompile it
[20:13] <ShackJack> bts3685: Doesn't say much... load is 2.85 but at leat one CPU hovers around 100%
[20:13] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, did you manage to solve your problem ?
[20:13] <_Lucretia_> no
[20:13] <alarmo> did you at least found a way to generate a good xorg.conf ?
[20:13] <ShackJack> bts3685: Actually graph is showing IOWait mostly - I don't know what to check to see what's causing that...
[20:14] <alarmo> I'm having to write mine all by hand...
[20:14] <Clinteger> hmm. I can access my Ubuntu laptop's samba share from this Windows XP computer, but I can't access this computer's samba shares from the Ubuntu laptop. I go to network and click on Windows Network, but the workgroups don't show up :/
[20:15] <alarmo> I don't really understand why ubuntu doesn't ship xorgconfig... is it bad somehow ? would it pose some threat to the config scheme, perhaps breaking things ?
[20:15] <ShackJack> I dunno maybe my HD is finally going...
[20:15] <_Lucretia_> alarmo: no
[20:16] <zub> what are the differences between kubuntu and ubuntu? I set up kubuntu, but concluded I prefer gnome, set up gnome stuff... can I remove kde and make it ubuntu?
[20:16] <theunixgeek> the live cd for hardy keeps dropping me to a busybox shell. how do I fix this?
[20:16] <_Lucretia_> there is: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg which is mentioned in one of my xorg.conf files and also dexconfig
[20:16] <_Lucretia_> both don't generate enough info
[20:16] <ShackJack> zub: Not really there's extra software packages, etc... as well... easier to do fresh install :)
[20:16] <zub> sigh
[20:16] <_Lucretia_> alarmo: I mean, there was a gui config when it booted firt time...where that is, I've no idea
[20:17] <zub> I've had way too much fresh installs recently... then I prolly keep things as they are
[20:17] <bts3685> ShackJack: what process is at the top the most consistently?
[20:17] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, I managed to get an almost useful xorg.conf from Xorg -configure
[20:17] <alarmo> and I'm tweaking it
[20:17] <alarmo> I'm gonna test it right now
[20:17] <ShackJack> zub: Well you could do sudo aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop :)
[20:17] <alarmo> brb
[20:18] <zub> ShackJack: I'll c how daring I am... :)
[20:18] <ShackJack> bts3685: Firefox and xorg
[20:18] <_Lucretia_> looks like it needs dri
[20:18] <zub> _Lucretia_: what kind of X issue is it you're solving?
[20:18] <_Lucretia_> 3d
[20:18] <_Lucretia_> indirect
[20:18] <_Lucretia_> fglrx
[20:19] <_Lucretia_> I'll modify my config by hand to force a gb keyboard and to load dri
[20:19] <zub> hm... if I recall well, there's something like /dev/dri?... are the permissions ok?
[20:19] <ShackJack> bts3685: Suddenly died down... sysmon graph show a lot of IO Wait...
[20:19] <alarmo> _Lucretia_, well, it solved here... although I don't like the idea of having my resolution mode hard coded like that...
[20:20] <zub> btw... my VT has messed up font; where can I select which font is loaded upon boot?
[20:20] <zub> + I'd prefer some other keyb layout on VTs
[20:21] <bts3685> ShackJack: check your drives with bonnie++... i'm wondering if it's not some sort of speed bottleneck or it's caching too much
[20:22] <ShackJack> bts3685: bonnie? Hadn't heard of that one... My root partition is fine, e2fsck has been *claiming* an issue with my data partition for sometime which it isn't able to fix
[20:22] <_Lucretia_> nuffin
[20:25] <Had3l> I'm having a problem finding wireless networks with 8.04 (used to work with 7.10), Comp is a Vaio VGN-TXN17P, Card is an Intel PRO 3945BG. Any ideas?
[20:25] <zub> _Lucretia_: any info about dri in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[20:25] <kaminix> Why is my network card weaker in Hardy than it was in... Feisty is it? 7.10?
[20:25] <alarmo> kaminix, wireless network ?
[20:25] <kaminix> alarmo: Yes.
[20:25] <kaminix> It didn't get stronger by me moving close up on it.
[20:25] <_Lucretia_> zub: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM
[20:25] <alarmo> kaminix, I thought it was only my imagination, but then I'm having the same problem as you...
[20:25] <kaminix> And my sister gets 10x the speed I do.
[20:25] <_Lucretia_> zub: [dri] Disabling DRI.
[20:26] <ShackJack> bts3685: bonie++ man page = YIKES!
[20:26] <kaminix> alarmo: Happend to be a RT2500 card?
[20:26] <alarmo> except that I haven't tested this in a linux before... I just bought this notebook and wi-fi range is much lower in hardy than in windows...
[20:26] <alarmo> kaminix, RTL 8187
[20:26] <zub> _Lucretia_: is the kernel module loaded?
[20:26] <_Lucretia_> fglrx is, yeah
[20:26] <kaminix> alarmo: What driver does it use?
[20:27] <alarmo> rtl8187 :) it is in the kernel already, open source.
[20:27] <kaminix> I use rt2500, it's also open source. Though I don't think it's in the kernel.
[20:27] <kaminix> Is it some eco setting perhaps? Making the wifi draw less power?
[20:27] <alarmo> It's frustrating... now I can't use my notebook from bed...
[20:27] <zub> maybe starting X withg -verbose would report more info
[20:27] <alarmo> and I used to do some coding before sleep...
[20:28] <kaminix> Now I can't use torrents form my computer....... >_<
[20:28] <zub> _Lucretia_: also, aby info in dmesg? prom that fglrx driver
[20:28] <kaminix> Can't even download the new iso to try a reinstall.
[20:28] <alarmo> kaminix, would you please e-mail me if you find the answer to the problem ? I've been trying to make it work better for like a week already
[20:28] <alarmo> but it looks like your loss is bigger than mine... I lost like 4 or 5 meters in radius from the access point...
[20:29] <_Lucretia_> zub: http://phpfi.com/311124
[20:29] <alarmo> kaminix, can you see the Tx-Power from that wireless interface (with iwconfig) ?
[20:29] <_Lucretia_> ls -l /dev/dri/
[20:29] <_Lucretia_> total 0
[20:29] <_Lucretia_> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2008-04-19 19:24 card0
[20:30] <kaminix> Well, that sounds about right.
[20:30] <kaminix> I lost 50% connectivity.
[20:30] <kaminix> It's unstable now.
[20:30] <kaminix> alarmo: Tx-Power=27 dBm
[20:30] <alarmo> here, my desktop has a 46dBm Tx-Power... which is more than enough for any place I put it in the house... but my notebook only gets to 27dBm ...
[20:30] <alarmo> kaminix, same as here...
[20:30] <sergiu> hi
[20:31] <tomd124> does anyone know any way I can listen to an internet radio station while ripping it, without opening a new stream?
[20:31] <kaminix> alarmo: Can we increase it?
[20:31] <sergiu> how can i install the kubuntu 8.04 RC1 near ubuntu hardy ?
[20:31] <zub> _Lucretia_: maybe sudo chown your_user /dev/dri/card0, then restart X - but won't help probably :-/
[20:31] <alarmo> kaminix, I tried it with mine... only could set it to lower :( but I don't know much about wi-fi....
[20:31] <kaminix> Me neither...
[20:31] <_Lucretia_> zub: not exactly a fix, but I'll give it a go
[20:31] <tomd124> sergui if you just want the gui, you can install kde4 through the synaptic and you will probably get the same thing
[20:32] <sergiu> yes, only gui
[20:32] <sergiu> and the apps
[20:32] <sergiu> ok
[20:33] <_Lucretia_> zub: nope
[20:33] <kaminix> alarmo: Same here, only lower.
[20:33] <zub> _Lucretia_: sigh :-/
[20:33] <tomd124> sergiu: but be warned, it will download all of kde for that so you might want to use the kubuntu cd and use it's repo unless you have a fast internet connection
[20:34] <_Lucretia_> zub: yup
[20:34] <sergiu> tomd124, but i can install just kde4
[20:34] <sergiu> not kubuntu
[20:34] <sergiu> to have 2 graphical envrionoment
[20:35] <sergiu> gnome and kde
[20:35] <sergiu> =)
[20:35] <zub> _Lucretia_: all I can say is I've had my deal of hair-pulling with ati
[20:35] <zub> then I bought nvidia, sucks also, but a bit less seems to me
[20:35] <_Lucretia_> worked fine under the previous versions, just movies didnt under the last one and ff hung constantly
[20:36] <_Lucretia_> zub: the keymap's doing my head in also, dead keys
[20:36] <sergiu> and i think i will install xfce and flushbox
[20:36] <zub> weird that on my work laptop with some ati card, hardy works like a charm
[20:36] <orvokki> sergiu: You can also install only kde4 by using the livecd as a repository. It might still be faster that way.
[20:36] <_Lucretia_> have to setxkbmap gb every time
[20:36] <zub> well...
[20:36] <zub> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240757
[20:36] <alarmo> kaminix, that's my problem...I would like to know the tx power of that same thing in windows, so I can know if it is a driver problem or something else
[20:36] <sergiu> orvokki yeaa?
[20:36] <sergiu> ok
[20:37] <sergiu> i have the liveCd
[20:37] <kaminix> alarmo: As for me, everything worked fine in 7.10, but upon upgrading it all went down the pipe.
[20:37] <zub> _Lucretia_: could it be you're running with RADEON (the free driver) ihnstead of fglrx (the blob)?
[20:37] <alarmo> kaminix, do you have a way to run 7.10 there ? (perhaps the live CD)...
[20:37] <orvokki> That is, Kubuntu livecd at least has all KDE4-related packages so you could just add it and install KDE4. Whether or not it's faster than installing normally through apt depends.
[20:37] <alarmo> so that you could see if Tx Power is the bad guy...
[20:38] <zub> as for the X keyboard: did you specify UK in xorg.conf? if yes, it's possible gdm/gnome/kde/whateva re-set it to what they like
[20:38] <alarmo> at least, if it's not, we can start looking for other problems...
[20:38] <orvokki> Unsure if Ubuntu livecd has KDE packages too.
[20:38] <_Lucretia_> zub: shouldn't be, there's nothing in the config file to say it is
[20:38] <orvokki> (That is, in the livecd repo)
[20:39] <kaminix> alarmo: Hmm... I do actually, I think. I'll try it.
[20:39] <zub> _Lucretia_: can you paste the whole X log somehwere?
[20:39] <_Lucretia_> can do, just trying a dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server or something
[20:39] <kaminix> alarmo: I'll boot with the live CD and see if there're any differences. just a sec and I'll send you a paste with my current iwconfig and you can send it back to me later.
[20:40] <alarmo> Ok, thanks.
[20:41] <kaminix> alarmo: http://pastebin.ca/989841 Send this to me when I get back. ^^ I'll highlight you.
[20:41] <alarmo> Ok
[20:42] <_Lucretia_> zub: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:42] <_Lucretia_> hang on
[20:42] <zub> ? :)
[20:43] <_Lucretia_> zub: http://phpfi.com/311129
[20:43] <_Lucretia_> driver "ati" ?
[20:43] <_Lucretia_> or is that right?
[20:44] <zub> I think it used to be "fglrx"
[20:44] <zub> but no longer having ati, I can't be suer
[20:44] <zub> sure
[20:44] <_Lucretia_> the aticonfig --initial just created this: http://phpfi.com/311131
[20:45] <zub> Driver      "fglrx"
[20:45] <zub> then try this fglrx
[20:45] <zub> good luck :)
[20:46] <_Lucretia_> lets try
[20:46] <alarmo> does anyone know what are the most important parts of a linux system related to wi-fi networking ? I mean, I'm trying to find out what could have changed from 7.10 to 8.04 to make wifi signal for kaminix so much lower...
[20:46] <zub> kernel driver? :)
[20:47] <alarmo> zub, yeah, same thing I thought here... but I don't know if he is using a different driver version...
[20:47] <alarmo> I'll install 7.10 on my machine (which also is having a lower signal than what I'd like it to) to see if I can find out anything
[20:47] <dkkong> Is it possible to install Hardy on an iBook G4? I've dled the cd, and I get an error on boot that it can't allocate a pci device
[20:48] <dkkong> And to clarify, I did dl the PPC cd.
[20:49] <ubuntu_> alarmo: Im back!
[20:49] <alarmo> ubuntu_, hello, kaminix
[20:49] <alarmo> http://pastebin.ca/989841
[20:50] <ubuntu_> http://pastebin.ca/989850
[20:50] <ubuntu_> Thats the new one
[20:50] <smallfoot-> Wine defaults to "Windows XP", but mine Wine is set to 2000, anyone else have this `?
[20:50] <alarmo> well, it doesn't even have the txpower information...
[20:50] <alarmo> odd...
[20:51] <ubuntu_> Its not as much faster as I had expected according to speedtest.nl, but still three folded
[20:52] <alarmo> ... :( and here I was, thinking we could get some good information from that...
[20:55] <ubuntu_> Well, tx power isnt set... maybe its not limited_
[20:55] <ubuntu_> ?
[20:55] <alarmo> dunno...
[20:55] <ubuntu_> is there an option in iwconfig to set it to unlimited_
[20:56] <alarmo> never found one... only found "auto"
[20:56] <alarmo> which isn't supported by my network card anyways
[20:56] <dkkong> Anyone know if it's possible to install Hardy on a PPC architecture?
[20:56] <ubuntu_> Seems to be a common problem alarmo... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4616661
[20:57] <alarmo> well... I don't think TX Power has anything to do with it, at least in my network
[20:57] <alarmo> since a txpower off doesn't affect anything
[20:57] <ubuntu_> tx power 0 you mean_
[20:57] <alarmo> it has an "off" stuff too
[20:58] <alarmo> neither off nor 0 makes any difference
[20:58] <ubuntu_> Hmmm... I\d guess that means some control thinge difference. or it just plainly does not work
[21:00] <alarmo> ubuntu_, is your connection anyway better with the live CD ?
[21:01] <alarmo> and I don't think this would be a driver problem... I mean
[21:01] <ubuntu_> alarmo    For cards supporting multiple transmit powers, sets the transmit power in dBm. If W is the power in Watt, the power in dBm is P = 30 + 10.log(W). If the value is postfixed by  mW,  it  will  be automatically converted to dBm. In  addition,  on and off enable and disable the radio, and auto and fixed enable and disable power control  (if  those  features are available).
[21:02] <alarmo> You, me and that other guy on the forum having the same "not-higher-than-27 tx power" with 3 different boards in 3 different drivers...
[21:02] <ubuntu_> alarmo: It works slightly better so far, just going to change keyboard layout and then get on testing it a little more
[21:02] <alarmo> ok
[21:03] <ubuntu_> There, much better ^^
[21:04] <ubuntu_> Also, the ping now works. I can ping both google and my router at the same time :p
[21:04] <ubuntu_> Need something to put more stress on the bandwidth... hrm...
[21:05] <alarmo> ubuntu_, doing that with a notebook or a desktop ?
[21:06] <timboy> I'm having a very weird problem with my screenshot plugin. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...
[21:06] <ubuntu_> alarmo: notebook :)
[21:06] <timboy> sorry screenshot plugin is in compiz-fusion
[21:06] <kevin--> i'm in the middle of installing 8.04 and it's stuck at 94% saying 'configuring hardware'
[21:07] <timboy> kevin-- sounds like you've got a lot of hardware... ;P
[21:07] <alarmo> ubuntu_, did you have the problem that, if you sit between the notebook and the access point, the packets start to get lost a lot ?
[21:07] <kevin--> timboy: not really :P.  it's been stuck there for at least 10 minutes.  is there somewhere I can find a log that shows what it's trying to do?
[21:08] <kevin--> i noticed that it has two partitions mounted as /target
[21:08] <ubuntu_> Putting stress on it now, downloading an iso alarmo. In Hard my ping got up to 25 000ms when downloading in 40kbps, now it's only rising slightly when downloading in 160 - 170 kbps.
[21:08] <kevin--> the root partition that the installer created, which it mounted first..  and then it looks like later it mounted my old debian root partition on top of that mount
[21:08] <ubuntu_> alarmo: It'd be very difficult for me to sit between them, so I don't know. We have a thin wall between them though.
[21:08] <alarmo> ubuntu_, yeah... guess I'll get to install gutsy here to see if it solves my problem...
[21:08] <kevin--> i didn't tell it to do anything with the debian installation
[21:09] <ubuntu_> alarmo: Shall we send in a bugreport?
[21:09] <alarmo> ubuntu_, here is my test for network coverage: I start a ping to my router
[21:09] <alarmo> and move... :P
[21:09] <ubuntu_> Haha :p Works. :p
[21:09] <alarmo> whenever pings start not coming back by dozens I know I am in a bad place for my network...
[21:09] <alarmo> the thing is...
[21:09] <alarmo> since I loaded hardy on it
[21:10] <alarmo> pretty much anywhere I sit with the mininum obstacle between notebook and router, I lose the pings
[21:10] <chucklarge> Hi all, just did the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04rc1 and my network is dead.  in 7.10 my network card was eth2 and now it is eth1.  when i restart the network '/etc/init.d/networking restart'  i get various error messages that eth2 device not found.  I suspect thats my problem, but don't know how to make the system use eth1 now.
[21:10] <ubuntu_> chucklarge: eth? Not a wireless network then? :/
[21:10] <alarmo> right now it is on a desk by my left side... with the router like 6 meters away through a normal house wall
[21:10] <chucklarge> no, not wireless
[21:11] <timboy> I'm having a very weird problem with compiz-fusion screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...
[21:11] <ubuntu_> alarmo: Let's write a bug report. Do you have a launchpad account?
[21:11] <timboy> chucklarge can you post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces. use patebin.ca
[21:11] <alarmo> ubuntu_, no, I don't :(
[21:11] <ubuntu_> Get one. :)
[21:12] <alarmo> ubuntu_, I'll check if I can get it working normally with gutsy first... I don't know if My problem is a "bug" or if the driver is just bad...
[21:12] <alarmo> as soon as I can get another linux work with this I'll send the bug report
[21:12] <ubuntu_> Get a live CD with your working computer.
[21:12] <alarmo> can you tell me what is the kernel version of gutsy ?
[21:13] <alarmo> my network doesn't have kernel drivers before 2.4.23...
[21:13] <fxfitz> Hello! I'm trying to install Hardy Server onto my computer, but it says it can't install GRUB. Can anyone help?
[21:13] <timboy> 2.6.22
[21:13] <ubuntu_> alarmo: uname -u I think
[21:13] <alarmo> yeah, but I'm not on gutsy :)
[21:13] <alarmo> and you are hehe
[21:13] <timboy> 2.6.22
[21:13] <ubuntu_> Oh, Gutsy :p
[21:13] <b4l74z4r> i can't get the mplayer firefox plugin to work in ubuntu hardy
[21:13] <alarmo> timboy, thanks... but this is very unfortunate :(
[21:14] <ubuntu_> Why unfortunate?
[21:14] <alarmo> because I'll have to install gutsy to test, it won't work by the live Cd
[21:14] <alarmo> since my wifi card only has its drivers available on kernel since 2.6.23
[21:14] <ubuntu_> Ah :/
[21:15] <timboy> alarmo do it on a different hard drive
[21:15] <alarmo> anyways, I have this 20Gigs unpartitioned space I left there to test OS's anyway...
[21:15] <timboy> alarmo there you go... ;)
[21:15] <alarmo> timboy, I never leave a computer without space for testing OS's...
[21:15] <alarmo> :)
[21:16] <alarmo> actually I think that, if I can manage to install new Gtk+ libraries on Gutsy, and if it solves my network problems I'll stick with it for a looooooong time :P
[21:16] <ubuntu_> alarmo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/134660
[21:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134660 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Ralink rt2400 / rt2500 / rt2570 / rt61 / rt73 do not work out of the box in Gutsy/Hardy" [High,Confirmed]
[21:16] <alarmo> only thing getting me away from gutsy is that I want a few functions from glib 2.16 ...
[21:17] <timboy> I'm having a very weird problem with compiz-fusion screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...
[21:18] <fxfitz> If I want to manually set up grub on sda1, Would it be: root (hd0,0)?
[21:18] <chucklarge> @timboy http://pastebin.ca/989876
[21:19] <alarmo> ubuntu_, hmm I'll try an Archlinux on that notebook... it has the right kernel and it is much smaller to download than Ubuntu, as a live CD
[21:20] <ubuntu_> Please tell me how it goes, I'm curious.
[21:20] <alarmo> but it will probably take some time
[21:20] <timboy> chucklarge just remove everything in there about eth2
[21:20] <alarmo> if you want, send me an e-mail and I'll mail you back when I find out anything
[21:23] <timboy> chucklarge then do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[21:23] <kaminix> alarmo: PMed you my mail adress.
[21:24] <alarmo> Ok, I'll send it to you as soon as I get a result. It might take some time before I can test it, though, just received a phone call telling me my inlaws are 15 mins away from here for a nice visit :P
[21:25] <kaminix> Heh, have fun alarmo ^^
[21:25] <alarmo> haha, yeah... right :P
[21:27] <kevin--> can anyone tell me what the installer is doing when it says 'configuring hardware' at the end
[21:28] <kevin--> and/or where it might log what it is doing at that point
[21:28] <kevin--> my install is hung there
[21:28] <alarmo> kevin--, mine didn't stop there for more than 5 minutes....
[21:28] <kevin--> alarmo: mine has been there for about half an hour :)
[21:28] <alarmo> so I think you might have some serious problems
[21:29] <kevin--> well, i'm using the machine to type this right now
[21:29] <alarmo> can you run Top in a terminal to see if anything is taking processing power...
[21:29] <kevin--> the loadavg is basically 0
[21:29] <alarmo> well...
[21:29] <kevin--> ubiquity is using the most cpu time
[21:29] <kevin--> (3%)
[21:30] <alarmo> probably some sort of dead lock or something like that, then... but it could be something completely different, of course... I know nothing about the internals of the setup program
[21:30] <alarmo> I would bet on the application hang out waiting for an event that will never arrive, though...
[21:30] <kevin--> yeah, i'm just trying to figure out where it logs what it's doing
[21:30] <kevin--> i'm assuming it writes the MBR and stuff after this point
[21:30] <kevin--> so i can't just reboot
[21:32] <kevin--> i'm going through the output of 'lsof' to see if i can find a log file..
[21:32] <Sharpie> um, gdmsetup isn't working (simply doesn't start when i try to run it)
[21:33] <zub> Sharpie: strace gdmsetup might help to tell you what the program attempted to do before it dies
[21:33] <Sharpie> zub: it doesn't die, it just hangs
[21:33] <zub> ok, s/dies/hangs/ :)
[21:33] <timboy> I'm having a very weird problem with screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...
[21:34] <Sharpie> wait wtf, now it's working
[21:34] <Sharpie> linux has its ways.
[21:37] <kevin--> does anyone know if the installer is actually intended to mount my previous linux installation as /target on top of the real installation target mount, when i did not tell it to upgrade anything?
[21:39] <Sharpie> not directly related to hardy, but is anyone using the banshee lyrics plugin? (it worked in gutsy and now it's not)
[21:40] <kevin--> or a different question, if my installation is hung at 94%, what steps might i need to manually take to complete it by hand?
[21:41] <kevin--> do i just need to install grub?
[21:42] <Finnish> I've had two total lock-ups with Hardy RC today
[21:42] <Finnish> Is it common?
[21:44] <kevin--> i'm just going to change the partition type of all my previous install partitions to something the installer won't detect
[21:44] <kevin--> and try again, so there's no way it will try to mount my debian installation..
[21:50] <Ronald> hi, is it known the automatic plugin installer (at least when you pick Sun Java6) doesn't install the plugin for firefox2, only for FF3-b5 ?
[21:51] <negge> !topic
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[21:56] <MTecknology> Exciting.... I had a copy of Beta 2 and no blank cd's.... now i'm dloading 400M+ of updates
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[21:56] <yacc> What can I do to restart sound services?
[22:00] <nazgul> yacc: in a terminal, run "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[22:02] <yacc> nazgul: I've got now even more fun => Terminal does not want to start, just hangs there without rendering itself, while Alt-F2 xterm works ;(
[22:02] <nazgul> yacc: did you just upgrade some packages? then logout and login again
[22:02] <yacc> nazgul: even after the alsa restart I get:
[22:02] <yacc> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[22:03] <ankit> I just installed 8.04 RC on a fresh partition, and I love it, but the fonts in the Terminal look weird, and isn't the default monospaced (even though it says it is)... Any idea what's wrong?
[22:03] <|ismael|> i have installer propietary driver ati and after ubuntu dont charge,i format and install the ati drver in the web official and it say that driver ati dont work correctly,help please.
[22:04] <nazgul> yacc: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/213045
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213045 in pulseaudio "audio conflicts: VLC vs Totem (gstreammer) or Rythmbox" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:05] <nazgul> Just reinstall pulseaudio.
[22:05] <nazgul> apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio
[22:05] <TailsLinux> i wonder why Webmin won't start Apache
[22:08] <F05517> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[22:08] <F05517> any ideas?
[22:09] <F05517> gstreamer volume control isnt working either
[22:09] <nazgul> My hardy won't boot any more. Following suggestions in this channel I removed all *-persisten-* files in /etc/udev/rules.d/. Now on startup it hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system...". Boot loader wasn't touched. Please advise.
[22:10] <nazgul> F05517: ask on the #gstreamer channel on irc.freenode.net
[22:10] <|ismael|> nazgul your rc dont charge?
[22:11] <F05517> kk nazgul, thought id try in here since ive only had issues with hardy
[22:11] <nazgul> |ismael|: haven't touched it
[22:11] <fxfitz> 1grub
[22:11] <fxfitz> !grub
[22:11] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:12] <fxfitz> Can anyone help me install grub? The hardy installer didn't install it.
[22:12] <mhalcrow_home> I'm trying to install Hardy on a RAID that I just built w/ mdadm by hand. /dev/md0 is not showing up in the GUI installer; I am only getting the block devices. My RAID setup is non-trivial (I have a degraded RAID-5 that will become a non-degraded RAID-5 once I am done with the install). How can I install onto the RAID I already built at /dev/md0?
[22:12] <\dev\one> i can help you I think
[22:12] <\dev\one> (fxfitz)
[22:13] <\dev\one> fxfitz, enter 'sudo grub'
[22:13] <fxfitz> Okay
[22:13] <\dev\one> fxfitz, what's the drive you installed ubuntu on?
[22:14] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Well right  now I'm on Knoppix with it mounted on /media/sda1 (/dev/sda1)
[22:14] <F05517> im having issues with my video resolution. currently at 640*480 and unable to change it... ubuntu is also not picking up any restricted drivers for my nvidia card
[22:14] <\dev\one> fxfitz, ok, inside the grub window type 'root (hd0,0)'
[22:15] <fxfitz> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist.
[22:15] <F05517> on 7.10, etc, i use some restricted video card driver.
[22:16] <\dev\one> fxfitz, hmmm...please paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' on some pastebin site
[22:16] <nazgul> |ismael|: any ideas?
[22:17] <zxc`> hi guys I'm having lots of problems w/ alsa.
[22:17] <zxc`> using hda_intel
[22:18] <fxfitz> \dev\one, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63777
[22:18] <zxc`> does anyone have problems w/ audio in hardy?
[22:18] <madmetal_spyros> hoi!
[22:19] <madmetal_spyros> anybody willing to help with some hardy upgrade problems?
[22:19] <rsk> sure
[22:19] <rsk> not all thou, just some.
[22:19] <\dev\one> fxfitz, strange, what does 'find /boot/grub/stage1' in the grub window do
[22:20] <F05517> zxc`, i do
[22:20] <madmetal_spyros> i just upgrade from gutsy to hardy
[22:20] <F05517> gstreamer issues mainly it seems
[22:20] <nazgul> mount
[22:20] <madmetal_spyros> everything went fine
[22:20] <fxfitz> \dev\one, By the way, should I be running all this stuff from knoppix, or should I chroot into /mnt/sda1 (where my hardy stuff is)
[22:21] <madmetal_spyros> i had uninstall nvidia drivers and when gutsy was ok it prompt me to install nvidia drivers
[22:21] <\dev\one> fxfitz, knoppix is fine, no need to chroot.
[22:21] <madmetal_spyros> and then the party started :)
[22:21] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Then: Error 15: File not found
[22:21] <madmetal_spyros> x couldnt start " fatal error no monitor found"
[22:22] <\dev\one> fxfitz, you are running as root? (just to be sure?)
[22:22] <\dev\one> (or sudo)
[22:22] <madmetal_spyros> rsk do you read? :)
[22:22] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Nope. I'll make sure I do that from now on?
[22:22] <madmetal_spyros> and when i reinstall xorg and reboot i can only enter failsafe xterm
[22:23] <\dev\one> fxfitz, yeah, that's what I get too without root :)
[22:23] <\dev\one> fxfitz, just try the find command again with grub with root permissions
[22:24] <mhalcrow_home> I assume I am going to have to install to a normal partition first and then copy everything over to the root RAID after the fact.
[22:25] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Okay, find doesn't work, but root(hd0,0) gives me: Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
[22:25] <\dev\one> fxfitz, now try 'setup (hd0)'
[22:25] <mewt> hey, After the last update and a reboot I seem to have lost all gui as regards networking...networkmanager says that no devices are present and trying to load the network menu from system crashes
[22:25] <mewt> anyone have the same ?
[22:26] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Error 15: File not found
[22:26] <fxfitz> Couldn't find /boot/grub/stage1 or /grub/stage1
[22:27] <\dev\one> fxfitz, hmm this means the grub /package/ isn't installed either :s, chroot to ubuntu and apt-get install grub there
[22:27] <mewt> manual networking works fine tho, still got an ip on my wired network and my wireless still shows up as wlan0
[22:27] <\dev\one> fxfitz, you know how to chroot?
[22:27] <fxfitz> Yup
[22:27] <fxfitz> grub is already the newest version.
[22:27]  * mhalcrow_home prepares to play musical chairs with his 5 block devices to get a root RAID-5
[22:28] <\dev\one> fxfitz, 'ls /boot/' ?
[22:28] <mewt> mhalcrow_home, enjoy it :)
[22:29] <fxfitz> \dev\one, It gives me a lot of *-server files, and a grub folder
[22:29] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Only thing in the grub folder is device.map
[22:29] <\dev\one> fxfitz, I got a lot of stages there, I suggest apt-get removing it and then installing it
[22:30] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Tried that. No change.
[22:31] <\dev\one> fxfitz, that's strange...did you try it with remove --purge ?
[22:31] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Oh. nope. sudo apt-get remove --purge grub??
[22:31] <\dev\one> fxfitz, yes (never tried that command though)
[22:32] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Done.
[22:32] <\dev\one> fxfitz, any stuff in /boot/grub ?
[22:32] <fxfitz> Just device.map :(
[22:33] <\dev\one> fxfitz, anyway, you didn't create a separate boot partition did you
[22:33] <\dev\one> fxfitz, sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub
[22:33] <fxfitz> \dev\one, During the install, in the partition section, I chose: guided use full disk
[22:34] <\dev\one> fxfitz, does the 'df' command show any special /boot partition?
[22:34] <fxfitz> sudo:unable to resolve host Knoppix, postdrop/: wearning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[22:34] <\dev\one> fxfitz, wait it doesn't of course
[22:34] <fxfitz> Nope. It shoes me some CRAZY thing =, something mounted on /, and /sysfs
[22:35] <zub> hm, I don't have link to home on Desktop... is there a way to add it? (other than adding explicit link to home - the default home link had this fancy house icon :)
[22:35] <\dev\one> fxfitz, that's some normal virtual filesystem stuff, don't worry about it
[22:35]  * fxfitz nods
[22:35] <\dev\one> fxfitz, well I *might* upload my stuff in /boot/grub dunno if it helps
[22:36] <\dev\one> fxfitz, assuming you run x86
[22:36] <fxfitz> Yeah, I do.
[22:36] <HoellP> hello, can anyone help me setting up a vm with kvm?
[22:36] <fxfitz> That'd be great! Hopefully it'll help :(
[22:36] <\dev\one> fxfitz, ok one moment :)
[22:37] <\dev\one> fxfitz, you'll have to 'fix' menu.lst manually though
[22:37] <fxfitz> Right.
[22:38] <HoellP> the virtd daemon is running, and i can connect, but i always get an error when i try to add a vm
[22:38] <\dev\one> fxfitz, i'll do it for ya :)
[22:38] <fxfitz> Mah hero!
[22:38]  * fxfitz cheers.
[22:41] <\dev\one> fxfitz, alright uploading (forgive me for this bad upload site)
[22:41] <susanoo> may i know the different between the Ubuntu 8.04 candidate ? and the one that will be released on 24's of April ?
[22:41] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Heh no problem
[22:41] <HoellP> susanoo: not much likely, just some last fixes
[22:41] <chtri> anyone with >= 4gb of ram?
[22:41] <susanoo> there is no difference ?
[22:42] <HoellP> not much
[22:42] <susanoo> so matter which of this i download
[22:42] <\dev\one> fxfitz, http://hyperfileshare.com/d/b22fe411 (open in browser not wget)
[22:42] <susanoo> their all the same ?
[22:42] <HoellP> it's the same os, and it will get stable in time
[22:42] <\dev\one> fxfitz, and extract into /boot/grub ofcourse
[22:42] <susanoo> i will download the candidate ?
[22:42] <susanoo> is that ok ?
[22:42] <HoellP> so if you download the rc now, you'll get the final on 24th
[22:42] <susanoo> or should i wait ?
[22:42] <susanoo> ohh
[22:43] <susanoo> ok
[22:43] <susanoo> good
[22:44] <\dev\one> fxfitz, you might want to check the exact kernel version number or use /vmlinuz and /initrd.img instead of /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.....
[22:44] <\dev\one> fxfitz, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:45] <susanoo> Hoellp , so which version are you using right now ?
[22:45] <fxfitz> Alright lets take a look
[22:45] <HoellP> the up-to-date rc
[22:45] <HoellP> i'm using hardy since about alpha 5
[22:45] <susanoo> when did you downloaded it ?
[22:45] <susanoo> where did u get it ?
[22:46] <HoellP> i upgraded from gutsy ;)
[22:46] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Hmm... I am confused about the kernel stuff actually... and what to put... :(
[22:46] <susanoo> 19-Apr-2008 02:53
[22:46] <susanoo> it was released on the 19'a right ?
[22:47] <Baby_shambl3s> how do i configureand use pulse audio or should i try oss?
[22:47] <HoellP> yes i think so
[22:47] <\dev\one> fxfitz, no problem just sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst (assuming you've extracted it) and replace (on the bottom) /boot/vmlin... with /vmlinuz and the /boot/initrd... stuff with /initrd.img
[22:47] <HoellP> Baby_shambl3s: try pulse
[22:48] <HoellP> it's really awsome to use
[22:48] <\dev\one> fxfitz, because I don't know if your hardy is outdated
[22:48] <susanoo> Hoellp , ypu updated it yesterday ?
[22:48] <susanoo> you*
[22:49] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Okay. So... should we try to grub>root (hd0,0) >setup(hd0) again?
[22:49] <HoellP> susanoo: no, i updated a few months ago
[22:49] <\dev\one> fxfitz, yeah
[22:49] <HoellP> but you should be fine installing the rc
[22:50] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Okay, I think it all worked. I'll try rebooting.
[22:50] <\dev\one> fxfitz, good luck
[22:50] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: yeha but how?
[22:51] <HoellP> what's your problem?
[22:51] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: I look at their site but it just confused me on the whole pulse issue and i dont even know if im running it or not
[22:52] <HoellP> you're running hardy?
[22:52] <HoellP> with the latest updates?
[22:52] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Well, it looks like grub came up and I think it's loading hardy for the first time now! :-D
[22:52] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: yup i should be
[22:52] <HoellP> k
[22:52] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Heh, hopefully this part works now
[22:53] <HoellP> you have installed pavumanager, pavucontrol and padevchooser?
[22:53] <\dev\one> fxfitz, me too :)
[22:53] <m0u5e> is it just me, or is hardy slower on my computer than gutsy...
[22:53] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Damn. It looks like its hanging at: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0
[22:54] <\dev\one> fxfitz, :( unfortunately I don't know anything about that stuff
[22:54] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: nope havent installed any of those do i need to?
[22:55] <fxfitz> Hm. Yeah. It says its missing modules or something so it dropped me to a Busybox shell :(:(
[22:55] <HoellP> to fully use pa, yes
[22:55] <HoellP> i'd recommend it
[22:56] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Well, thanks for your help! I think I'll just wait until it releases and then install that. Hopefully it'll work then. :-P
[22:56] <peter77> When I plug headphones into my laptop the sound does not mute on the built in speakers instead it plays out of both headphones and speakers, is there a way to fix this?
[22:57] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: will do it now brb, but after that it will automatically stop using alsa and start using pulse right?
[22:57] <HoellP> you have to select it in preferences-audio
[22:58] <HoellP> gotta reboot, brb
[22:58] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: ok
[22:58] <fxfitz> \dev\one, Thanks for your help!
[22:58] <\dev\one> fxfitz, you're welcome, good luck next time :)
[22:59] <susanoo> Hoellp, ubuntu 8.04 candidate was released today right ?
[23:00] <rsk> susanoo: i think soo yes
[23:01] <HoellP> re
[23:01] <susanoo> You guys know where i can get any help on how to install Ubuntu 8.04 on my ps3 ?
[23:02] <susanoo> or any guide ?
[23:04] <rsk> susanoo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-powerpc+ps3.iso
[23:04] <Baby_shambl3s> synaptic cnat find pavumanager, what's the correct name for it?
[23:05] <susanoo> thanks rsk
[23:06] <susanoo> i've already downloaded it
[23:06] <susanoo> but i need a guide
[23:06] <susanoo> on how to install it , probably not the same step by step as 7.10
[23:07] <ryanov> Anyone know if there is a BlueTooth FTP client?
[23:07] <ryanov> I have a program for my phone that will turn it into a BlueTooth FTP server.
[23:07] <ryanov> But I don't know what I can do with that.
[23:07] <m0u5e> what do you guys think so far about hardy?
[23:08] <m0u5e> is hardy RC up to your expectations?
[23:08] <rsk> + new packages
[23:08] <rsk> - no new theme
[23:08] <ryanov> m0u5e: Pretty decent.
[23:08] <rsk> :p
[23:08] <ryanov> Lots of stuff is fixed.
[23:08] <ryanov> The only new thing that broke is wireless.
[23:08] <m0u5e> wireless broke? lol
[23:08] <ryanov> Yeah.
[23:08] <m0u5e> oh i need to test dual monitor config
[23:08] <ryanov> I can't use WPA anymore.
[23:09] <Baby_shambl3s> synaptic cnat find pavumanager, what's the correct name for it or how do i get it to show on synaptic?
[23:09] <ryanov> Dual monitor never worked great for me. It works, but...
[23:09] <ryanov> pavucontrol maybe?
[23:10] <Zeker> hello
[23:10] <ryanov> There's no pavumanager in the repos anyway, which you know.
[23:10] <HoellP> y, ryanov is right, it's pavucontrol
[23:10] <Zeker> I just installed the latest ubuntu and I love it :P
[23:10] <blekos> hi, i install 8.04 and when i installed firefox i got firefox3
[23:10] <blekos> unfortunately mediaplayer connectivity is not available for f3, any other suggestions so i can play radio from the intenet etc?
[23:11] <Zeker> does anyone know how to enable to desktop cube?
[23:11] <ryanov> Gotta go into the Desktop Effects settings I wager.
[23:11] <ryanov> I never looked yet.
[23:11] <Zeker> I have done that actually,
[23:11] <Zeker> I set the effects to the higher setting
[23:11] <ryanov> There's a custom one.
[23:11] <Zeker> it doesn't include the cube effect
[23:12] <wolfalfa> guys, I haven't been able to get fglrx working since I upgraded to hardy. is this the place to ask or should I go somewhere else?
[23:12] <Zeker> there was also an expose effect that I really miss
[23:12] <Baby_shambl3s> HoellP: thanx for correcting that
[23:13] <ryanov> Oh, I see, custom does not include something with which to configure.
[23:13] <blekos> have you managed to install flash?
[23:13] <Zeker> hm
[23:13] <ryanov> I think the best solution is to install compizconfig-settings-manager, and set Desktop Effects to custom.
[23:14] <susanoo> anybody here with a PS3 ?
[23:16] <ryanov> Yeah, when you install that, you run cssm to config.
[23:17] <dkkong> I keep getting Bad Archive mirror at the end of an install.
[23:17] <ProN00b> is there actually any work beeing done on heron at the moment ?
[23:17] <ryanov> What do you mean?
[23:17] <ryanov> New packages almost every day anyway.
[23:17] <ProN00b> even tho it will be released on the 24. ?
[23:17] <ryanov> Actually, probably more often -- my machine checks once a day.
[23:18] <ProN00b> can i update from 7.10 ?
[23:18] <dkkong> Is there a way to get around the bad archive error?
[23:18] <ryanov> There are upgrade instructions in an obvious place on the website
[23:18] <_derspankster> PrN00b: yes, you can
[23:19] <ProN00b> heron has the 2.6.24 kernel right ?
[23:19] <ryanov> I did aptitude update, and there were 19 new packages since my last check.
[23:19] <ryanov> Yes, 2.6.24
[23:20] <ProN00b> what does "hardy" mean anyways
[23:20] <ProN00b> and "heron"
[23:20] <ryanov> Look it up.
[23:20] <ryanov> Heron is a bird.
[23:20] <ProN00b> and hardy ?
[23:20] <ryanov> Like the Great Blue Heron.
[23:20] <ryanov> I don't have a good way to explain it, dictionary.com.
[23:21] <ProN00b> google couldn't translate it
[23:21] <Sergeant_Pony> reboot
[23:21] <malnilion> Healthy, strong
[23:21] <bauglir> why
[23:21] <_derspankster> Hardy definition
[23:21] <HoellP> dict.leo.org for translations
[23:21] <bauglir> all influence is immoral
[23:21] <ProN00b> its a made up word *_*
[23:21] <_derspankster> malnilion: correct
[23:21] <ryanov> ProN00b: No, it isn't. It's English.
[23:22] <ryanov> We use it to describe plants a lot around here.
[23:22] <ProN00b> hard is already an adjective
[23:22] <bauglir> all influence is immoral
[23:22] <ryanov> Something that is easy to care for.
[23:22] <billisnice> can not wait till next week for 8.04, the beta has been a challenge
[23:22] <billisnice> lol
[23:22] <billisnice> welcome to the jungle
[23:22] <malnilion> Hard is used to describe physical objects or to imply that something is difficult
[23:22] <bauglir> why
[23:22] <nemo> soooo
[23:22] <nemo> * The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
[23:23] <nemo> wassup with that??
[23:23] <bauglir> why
[23:23] <ProN00b> malnilion, give a case where hardy is valid and hard isn't
[23:23] <ryanov> That is true. What of it?
[23:23] <_derspankster> I've had few issues with the beta - just lucky I guess
[23:23] <ryanov> "That is a hard plant."
[23:23] <nemo> hm. only meant to give that one ?  not *that* curious :)
[23:23] <ryanov> WTF does that mean?
[23:23] <bauglir> why
[23:23] <ryanov> "That is a hardy plant."
[23:23] <malnilion> ProN00b, you wouldn't say "That rock is hardy"
[23:23] <ryanov> Means something.
[23:23] <bauglir> why
[23:23] <ryanov> This beta has been very good in my experience.
[23:24] <bauglir> why
[23:24] <ryanov> But like I said, I still can't do WPA with iwlwifi.
[23:24] <ryanov> Why what?
[23:24] <bauglir> what do you mean?
[23:24] <ryanov> What does who mean?
[23:25] <bauglir> you
[23:25] <ryanov> About what>
[23:25] <HoellP> lol bauglir you got the most strange ways to communicate
[23:25] <malnilion> Or rather, befuddle.
[23:25] <HoellP> if that makes any sense...
[23:25] <ProN00b> hmmm, once heron is released
[23:26] <Baby_shambl3s> !ot
[23:26] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:26] <ProN00b> will i need to upgrade to the final from the rc again ?
[23:26] <malnilion> ProN00b, update-manager will do it for you automatically.
[23:26] <ryanov> The beta seems to become the final by updates.
[23:26] <bauglir> poor ryanov
[23:27] <ryanov> bauglir: STFU
[23:27] <bauglir> you are very rude. why?
[23:27] <swuboo> Does anyone know if there's a way to reenable 16-bit emulation in wine without reenabling addressing of memory space below 64k?
[23:28] <py3k-er> hello
[23:28] <ryanov> Anyone know if there's a Bluetooth FTP client in Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[23:28] <malnilion> swuboo, you might get a better answer in the wine channel
[23:28] <bauglir> ryanov: no
[23:28] <py3k-er> what is the command to change ubuntu system settings? like regedit in Windows...
[23:28] <swuboo> malnilion:  I might, it's true, but I figured I'd try here first, as it's a change to hardy that's causing the issue.
[23:28] <bauglir> why
[23:28] <ryanov> py3k-er: No such thing, really.
[23:29] <malnilion> swuboo, possibly, though it could be a upstream wine update that's doing it too :)
[23:29] <bauglir> why
[23:29] <py3k-er> i wanna change the flag to hide the pop-up descriptions of items
[23:29] <bauglir> why
[23:29] <HoellP> gconf-editor
[23:29] <py3k-er> yeah that!
[23:30] <bauglir> why
[23:30] <swuboo> malnilion:  No, it's definitely a hardy change.  Specifically, hardy makes the bottom 64k of memory unaddressable to protect the kernel; wine uses memory in that space for DOS emulation.
[23:30] <py3k-er> thanks
[23:30] <bauglir> why
[23:30] <swuboo> malnilion:  I do know of one workaround, but since it involves simply making that space addressable again (and I don't want to do that) I was hoping someone might have uncovered a better way.
[23:30] <malnilion> swuboo, ah, I see...
[23:30] <bauglir> why
[23:31] <ProN00b> ryanov, is bluetooth ftp not done over ip ?
[23:31] <bauglir> why
[23:32] <ryanov> ProN00b: I don't think it is.
[23:32] <malnilion> bauglir, you're being exceedingly annoying, I would suggest stopping before everyone /ignores you
[23:32] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:33] <malnilion> ProN00b, I thought bluetooth transfers were over obex or something?
[23:33] <ryanov> Yeah, something like that.
[23:33] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:34] <swuboo> Seriously, bauglir, I know you're intentially being obnoxious, but we'd all appreciate it if you stopped.
[23:34]  * zionpsyfer wonders if bauglir is a bot.
[23:34] <MTecknology> How do I change the screen resolution across the whole system?
[23:34] <malnilion> zionpsyfer, you know, I'm wondering the same.
[23:34] <ProN00b> bauglir, who are you ?
[23:34] <MTecknology> gdm is trying to use 2048x1536 and the monitor can't handle it but 1024x768 works fine
[23:34] <bauglir> I am a man
[23:34] <ryanov> In any case, there is nothing that does seem to work to connect to the phone even while it's running the BlueTooth FTP thing.
[23:34] <swuboo> MTecknology:  I'm not entirely certain I understand what you mean.
[23:35] <swuboo> MTechnology:  Ahhh.
[23:35] <swuboo> MTecknology:  So GNOME and everything once you've logged in are using sensible resolutions, but GDM is trying to use an obscenely high resolution you can't actually use?
[23:36] <MTecknology> yup
[23:36] <swuboo> MTecknology:  I'm not sure how to fix that, but at least I understand what your problem is.
[23:36] <bauglir> why
[23:36] <malnilion> MTecknology, I had an issue like that I never got resolved, but all guides I read suggested disabling monitor resolutions in xorg.conf
[23:36] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:37] <MTecknology> malnilion, I've heard xorg.conf doesn't matter anymore
[23:37] <malnilion> Hard to say.
[23:37] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:38] <tomasko> is forcedeth the normal driver for mcp61 nvidia network card?
[23:38] <tomasko> i'm unable to retrieve an ip on campus, but it could be due to a down-and-out router in my res hall
[23:38] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:38] <MTecknology> well, let's see if enabling the restricted driver will help
[23:40] <swuboo> MTecknology:  There is a Display section in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, but I wouldn't know how to format it.
[23:41] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:41] <bauglir> poor malnilion
[23:42] <malnilion> swuboo, wow, that has to be about the longest config file I've ever scrolled through.
[23:42] <malnilion> And though I was going fast, I don't think there was a resolution section.
[23:43] <Pelo> anyone else having issue with the trashbin not working properly ?
[23:43] <bauglir> why
[23:43] <swuboo> malnilion:  There isn't, per se.  But there's a section for use default display/define custom display.
[23:43] <swuboo> !ops > bauglir
[23:43] <socketbind> never used the trashbin, how do you reproduce the bug with it?
[23:43] <malnilion> swuboo, I just ignored him
[23:43] <peter77> Molton Brandenburg
[23:44] <peter77> oops
[23:44] <socketbind> umm yeah i can't empty my trashbin
[23:44] <swuboo> malnilion:  I can hardly blame you.
[23:44] <Pelo> socketbind, pick a file,  right click , move to trash,  trash bin icon does not change and you can,t empty trasbin but the files are in there
[23:44] <peter77> When I plug headphones into my laptop the sound does not mute on the built in speakers instead it plays out of both headphones and speakers, is there a way to fix this?
[23:44] <socketbind> same problem here
[23:45] <JohninLex> can anyone tell me what this means:   [ (apt-listchange:8816): libglade-warning could not find glade file apt-list changes/apt-listchanges.glade')  ]
[23:45] <swuboo> Pelo:  Even more annoying, I accidentally sent a large directory to the trash bin---there was no restore option.  I had to copy it over, and instead of doing it more or less instantly, it took half an hour.
[23:45] <Pelo> ok so it isn'T just my messing around, thanks socketbind I'll just wait for the fix
[23:45] <Pelo> swuboo, at least it wasn'T sent to /dev/null
[23:46] <swuboo> Pelo:  True, true.
[23:46] <socketbind> peter77: what is the brand and model of your notebook exactly?
[23:46] <peter77> socketbind: Toshiba Satellite Pro A120
[23:47] <peter77> socketbind Intel High Definition Audio
[23:47] <socketbind> i love the fact that it is a "standard"
[23:48] <socketbind> well, you can try setting the alsa switches or trying a different "model=" in your /etc/modprobe.d/options
[23:49] <socketbind> but it is like crawling in the dark and it doesn't guarantee that it will work
[23:50] <HoellP> it works on my laptop with intel soundchip and 64 (k)ubuntu
[23:50] <peter77> I've tried changing the model in modprobe.d
[23:50] <MTecknology> restricted driver helped a lot but didn't take care of gdm.... I guess I'll take care of that later....
[23:51] <socketbind> geez
[23:51] <socketbind> now this is funny
[23:51] <socketbind> something i had in hardy but not in gutsy
[23:51] <peter77> Hoellp, did it work out of the box and what are the settings for alsa in modprobe?
[23:51] <HoellP> ootb
[23:51] <socketbind> oops in gutsy but not in hardy
[23:52] <HoellP> but i never tried a 32bit distro
[23:52] <HoellP> maybe it's related to that package
[23:53] <socketbind> can anybody find the precise brightness adjustment slider under "Power Management Preferences" on the "On Battery Power" tab? : |
[23:54] <socketbind> please tell me they didn't removed it o_O
[23:55] <spookylukey> Instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu do not work for me -- the 'Version Upgrade' button does not appear.  Any ideas?
[23:55] <socketbind> spookylukey, it worked for me on kubuntu with the instructions on that page
[23:57] <malnilion> spookylukey, I think you missed running kdesu "adept-manager --dist-upgrade-proposed"
[23:57] <spookylukey> Nope, I did that
[23:57] <malnilion> The --dist-upgrade-proposed is necessary to see the beta upgrade.
[23:57] <malnilion> Did you remember the quotes?
[23:58] <spookylukey> Yep
[23:58] <malnilion> That's odd
[23:59] <spookylukey> I just tried switching my server from 'UK' to 'Main', and I'm still getting the same
[23:59] <dekela> Hello All.