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ascarterActually, I was wrong. It says update-manager has broken dep on update-manager-core00:00
x1250its kind of odd at first, you feel menus are too small. You get used to it in a couple of days, and after that you'll never go back :P00:00
Some_Personi'll wait until im finished upgrading to hardy-rc00:00
ascarterIt wants to upgrade a pretty long list (libgnome* libgtk2* nautilus)00:01
x1250ascarter: what does $ apt-cache policy update-manager-core    returns as installed?00:01
ascarterBut I've been updating daily so this is since last night00:01
x1250if it is installed...00:01
ascarterupdate-manager-core:00:01
ascarter  Installed: 1:0.87.1800:01
ascarter  Candidate: 1:0.87.2100:01
ascarter  Version table:00:01
ascarter     1:0.87.21 000:01
ascarter        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages00:01
ascarter *** 1:0.87.18 000:02
ascarter        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status00:02
x1250:o use pastebin man...00:02
x1250ok, do a # aptitude install update-manager-core00:02
x1250ascarter: see if everything goes ok with that00:03
ascarterx1250: aptitude wants to remove apport-gtk, ubuntu-desktop, update-manager, update-notifier00:03
bberniehey i am having trouble finding out which package has libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.300:04
x1250I would remove them and install them later, but be carefull if any other packages are going to be uninstalled...00:04
ascarterx1250: OK00:04
bberniesudo apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 doesnt seem to work, the package is missing00:04
x1250bbernie: the package name seems very odd to me00:05
x1250try splitting the name, they look like two packages00:06
bberniewell that was the command i used to install it on 7.1000:06
bberniei am thinking there is a new version00:06
bberniei just dont know what package contains libcstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.300:07
topylibbernie: there is no such package on hardy00:07
x1250bbernie: install apt-file00:07
x1250# apt-file update00:07
x1250# apt-file search some_file00:07
x1250it should tell you what package has that lib00:07
Johninkyok what is UI and VI00:08
topyliwe do have a web interface for searching this stuff00:08
x1250anyway, the name is ODD, it does not conform to debian's policy00:08
bts3685Johninky: UI is user-interface. VI is the best editor EVER00:08
topyliheh00:08
bts3685topyli: http://packages.ubuntu.com/00:09
Johninkyok what does it edit00:09
x1250Johninky: its a console based text editor00:09
filosofixi1anyone had any trouble mounting with cifs ? My whole system froze while browsing a shared folde with nautilus...00:10
x1250its like or you love it or hate it00:10
filosofixi1sorry.. had no problem mounting, just browsing..00:10
topyliit's not like we have a choice. vi is everywhere, so everyone should learn the basics00:11
Johninkysorry I was reading this page and came across something i did know thank you X125000:11
topyliopen file, edit file, save and close00:11
bts3685vi foo.txt, I; make changes, :(w)q00:12
bts3685done!00:12
topyliyeah00:12
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bberniesudo apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 returns nothing00:13
Johninkyahh I have found out that Vi is something that I need to stay out of for a while!!!!00:14
bts3685Johninky: nah, jump right in!00:15
bts3685run this command: vimtutor00:15
bts3685i'm sure you can find a tutorial for emacs, but... i don't *get* emacs00:15
JohninkyI also found out I dont need a virus scanner either00:15
x1250funny advertising on gnome-look.org: http://empresaenlinea.cl/windows-look.png00:16
bts3685Johninky: no, you don't! it might be a good idea to have one though, to scan files you might be sending to some friends of yours that are using windows00:16
Johninkyok where can I get one for unbuntu 8.04 that would be easy to install00:17
bts3685Johninky: aptitude install clamav00:18
bts3685and you00:18
bts3685'll probably want a frontend too00:18
Johninkydoes linux programs have to be for each version of linux or can they work in all00:18
bts3685clamtk, for instance, is a gui for clamav00:19
bts3685Johninky: sometimes they're version-specific, but if they are then they're usually ported over00:19
x1250Johninky: it depends on the program's dependencies.00:20
JohninkyI hate to run but, dont worry I swear I will be back  i want to know more00:21
fengshuiIs Steven Langasek around?00:24
topylifengshui: heh00:26
mvoascarter: its probably going away soon, looks like the mirror is not updated (update-manager and update-manager-core are always uploaded in sync, but sometimes do not enter the mirrors in sync)00:26
topyliwhy don't you email him00:26
fengshuiI'm going to00:26
fengshuiJust checking here before I do00:26
ascartermvo: OK00:26
sotoHow do I automount a newly created partition on a removable device?00:27
ascartermvo: That makes sense - digging in, the problem is that update-manager-core has been updated to 1:0.87.21 but update-manager wants 1:0.87.1800:27
sotoAlso how do I probe the filesystem type?00:27
ascartermvo: I have two machines. One I had already upgraded before I realized what it wanted to do. The second has been upgraded yet.00:28
pekingStevem Langasek is awesome.00:29
bberniewhen i run apt-file update i get errors Can't get http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/Contents-i386.gz00:29
mvoascarter: *nod* shouldn't be a big deal, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should give it all back to you once the package is avialable)00:30
x1250ascarter: did you run the command I told you?00:30
Sharpiewhen i activate my restricted gfx driver i can't log in (shows this safe-mode wrong-driver screen), then after a reset it tries to activate GDM but loads forever (so i move back to a terminal, kill gdm and then startx). I have a GeForce 8600GT. any suggestions?00:30
ascarterx1250: The aptitude command?00:30
bberniei am guessing thats why apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 it returns nothing00:31
x1250yep, after dad you should try with update-manager00:31
x1250dad/that00:32
linkinxphow i update drivers????00:32
pekingx1250: I confuse that all the times. the keys are like right next to each other00:32
ascarterx1250: It seems to hit the same version clash issue00:32
ascarterx1250: I think I'm ok right now as long as I don't reboot :)00:33
ascarterI'll keep checking for it to all sync up from the mirrors00:33
x1250well, you should install update-manager-core and update-manager00:33
x1250to the last versions, both of them00:33
x1250and if apt wants to remove a metapackage, go for it, nothing wrong will happen00:34
x1250just be carefull00:34
ascarterx1250: Thanks.00:34
x1250ascarter: and if it doesn't work, purge them both, mercilessly00:36
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bbernieany ideas on on what i should do with this libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 problems00:36
x1250then install update-manager00:36
x1250bbernie: nothing, it doesn't exist00:36
bbernieum00:37
bberniewell i used it in 7.1000:37
Johninkyok I am sorry I am back00:37
bberniecan i grab it from the 7.10 repo00:37
linkinxphow i update drivers????00:38
bbernieit used to be in the libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package00:38
x1250bbernie: yes, you can00:38
x1250but that doesn't mean it will work00:38
bberniehah00:39
x1250you'll have to try00:39
ascarterx1250: Bad news - update-manager-core only has 1:0.87.21 available. Not sure how I can force it to go back to 1:0.87.1800:39
bberniewish me luck00:39
Johninkyok now what  anti virus would be coold again00:39
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Johninkygood^^00:39
x1250ascarter: and update-manager? what version available?00:39
x1250oh, 1800:40
filosofixi1I guess this is not a goog sign : [  571.537234] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK00:40
filosofixi1[  571.537240] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 000:40
mvox1250: it looks like update-manger is not build yet in LP (the .21 version)00:40
ascarterx1250: Yeah, just 1800:40
edoceoAnyone notices FireBug not working properly in FF3beta5?00:40
mvo(on i386)00:40
crimsunedoceo: it has been mentioned numerous times00:41
edoceoWOn't open it's little display area at the foot of the window :(00:41
x1250ascarter: just purge them both, you'll have to wait till the package is available00:41
x1250I see in update-manager this in depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18)00:41
DanaGcrimsun: would you happen to know how to get a specific USB audio device to take a specific index?00:41
telexiconso flashplayer is unusable00:41
telexiconi was looking at the launchpad bug for it00:41
telexiconis there a bug report on adobe's bugtracker page?00:42
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/19288800:42
x1250just wait till .21 is available and install them both, or ubuntu-desktop00:42
DanaGLook for the nsplugginwrapper package.00:42
telexiconyes i saw that00:42
DanaGer, plugin.00:42
DanaGIt works for me.00:42
telexiconyes i understand00:42
telexiconi am capable of setting that up00:42
x1250but purge them for now (I would purge them and upgrade, and fix it later)00:42
DanaGI'm glad to finally have a non-crashy flashy.00:42
telexiconbut i know a lot of people aren't00:42
DanaGflashy...crashy...flashy...(loop)00:43
telexiconis it in adobe's bugtracker? will nspluginwrapper be setup by default?00:43
crimsunflash will be nspluginwrappered for intrepid, anyhow.00:43
crimsunregardless, I'm seriously pushing the pulseaudio side of the fix, which is a bit suboptimal IMNSHO, but it's the best we can do for hardy.00:44
x1250DanaG: that fix is kind of odd, it makes flash dont use pulseaudio, which is, uhm... no fix IMO. You can make flash _use_ pulseaudio and dont have firefox crash if you do this:00:45
x1250https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888/comments/3900:45
hmulleris /etc/rc.local just a stub and non-functional? I've added something to it and it doesn't appear to be running00:45
DanaGHmm, no audio, or crashy audio?00:46
crimsunum, no.00:46
crimsunx1250: that's incorrect00:46
DanaGThat's "stuck between a rock and a hard place," if I'm using the expression correctly.00:46
crimsunlibflashsupport /exacerbates/ the problem00:46
DanaGDoes flash now work with PA without libflashsupport?00:47
crimsunno, it doesn't00:47
crimsunhowever, we have an incomplete fix ATM00:47
x1250crimsun: I'm using that fix, and it works00:47
telexiconyeah00:47
DanaGhence the "no or crashy"00:47
crimsunx1250: it "works"00:47
telexiconnot having libflashsupport makes the sound not work on about half of my computers00:47
Sharpiewell, GDM doesn't start (just shows the wait cursor).00:47
crimsunI can make it crash on amd64, and that definitely isn't "works"00:47
guerbyhi, any idea on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/21940400:47
telexiconwheres the link to the bug in adobe's bug tracker?00:48
x1250crimsun: Ok, but it works for me.00:48
darthanubistelexicon, why don't you have flash support?00:48
crimsunthe /correct/ fix is to merge the PulseAudio config side00:48
darthanubislibflashsupport?00:48
telexicondarthanubis, because it makes firefox crash very often00:48
darthanubisah00:48
guerbyhmm update-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18) but 1:0.87.21 is to be installed00:48
darthanubisI had to just fix mine00:48
telexiconand apparently it does for most people00:48
telexiconok, yes i saw that00:49
darthanubisI noticed the updates wanted to remove it00:49
telexiconand i did it00:49
telexiconbut its not a solution00:49
darthanubisbut then I had no sound00:49
telexiconbut still00:49
DanaG"pulseaudio config side" -- the libpcm-plugins-pulse?00:49
telexiconis there an entry for this in adobe's bug tracker? have they been notified?00:49
mvoguerby: yes, its a problem that will go away once the updated package is build00:49
mvoguerby: the buildd for i386 seem to lack behind00:49
Sharpieany idea why GDM doesn't start? (and why it gives me an error when i try to install my nvidia drivers)00:49
DanaGAah, I figured out the usb thing.00:49
hmullerAsking a different way, Is there an Ubuntu alternative to /etc/rc.local?00:49
crimsunDanaG: no, http://pastebin.com/m69f447bb00:49
darthanubisI deal with a buggy FF3b5 until the updated package00:49
darthanubisbut I'm not going without sound in flash til then, thats nuts00:50
DanaGDisabling HAL?00:50
DanaGthe module, I mean.00:50
telexiconcrimsun, but this is hardy, this is LTS, its going to be supported for a long time, how can it ship with a broken flashplayer?00:50
crimsunDanaG: disabling the hal portion of PulseAudio, yes.00:50
DanaGThat seems just as bad as anything else.00:50
darthanubisthis is an updated libflashsupport file for hardy 64 though00:50
crimsunDanaG: no, it's actually the /best/ that can be done.00:50
darthanubisits on the ubuntu pulse wiki00:51
mdlueckI am having trouble playing videos on a Samba server with Hardy / Totem. If I fullscreen the video, Totem goes away. Not so when I copy the movie to the Hardy workstation. 7.04 does not have the trouble. Opened bug reports... nadda, so turning to IRC.00:51
DanaGAah.  I wonder how common the HAL usage case is.00:51
darthanubisI'm just not on my 64bit box to seee how well it works00:51
x1250DanaG: nope, libflashsupport must be installed for pulseaudio00:51
crimsunDanaG: consider:  1) users who have manually configured ALSA for non-GSt apps will currently encounter breakage when dist-upgrading to hardy00:51
DanaGMost people probably use just integrated (disabled) + addin non-hotplug.00:51
crimsunDanaG: 2) this additional PA conffile fix allows people to continue to use their existing configs and have them work post-dist-upgrade00:52
x1250but you can get pulseaudio and not crash firefox. Anyway flash will still crash, only without firefox00:52
telexiconhow about notifying adobe of the issue?00:52
telexiconi dont see an entry in their bug tracker00:52
DanaGIt now imports the "set-default-card" info?00:52
crimsunDanaG: yes, it honours 'default'00:52
DanaGThat's good enough to match existing behavior, if so.00:52
crimsunprecisely!00:52
crimsunit doesn't break /any/ semantics00:52
telexiconsomebody filed a bug report with adobe.. right?00:53
DanaGIt removes a new feature, but it doesn't remove an _existing_ feature.  That logic does work for me.00:53
* telexicon sighs00:53
darthanubistelexicon, adobe could care less00:53
telexiconhow do you know?00:53
telexiconhow do they know?00:53
crimsuntelexicon: Adobe is under no obligation to support a community-developed feature.00:53
telexicontheres no bug report for it on adobe's site00:53
darthanubistexwe have to fix it, we know about it, so you can chill00:54
x1250yeah, sounds ok, but that for when? ibex?00:54
crimsunthey have their own requirements; they are not obligated to honour ours00:54
telexiconlinux is entirely community-developed, they decided to support linux.. and it doesn't work00:54
DanaGThey should not abuse ALSA -- if they respected default, the wrapper would work.00:54
bbernieHas anyone had to work with the juniper networks vpn client in 8.04 ?00:54
telexiconthey have a person working on flash, perhaps they should know about the issue00:54
darthanubistelexicon, breathe00:54
DanaGAnd not open gobs and gobs of streams.00:54
hmullertelexicon: ANYone can file a bug report.  Even you  ; )00:54
telexiconthere are other linux bugs on adobe's bug tracker and they have people assigned to it00:54
crimsunalso, I agree that we /should/ use nspluginwrapper for Flash on hardy, but seriously, we're less than one week from final release.00:54
DanaGMy case is a bit exceptional: onboard + {audigy2 OR usb}00:54
telexicondarthanubis, how is it fair to say adobe doesnt care at all when nobody filed a bug report with them?00:55
topylitelexicon: linux is not "entirely community developed". sorry, but that's a myth00:55
DanaGIf I move an app to one of the latter two, then shut down, then boot up without the device and start the app -- next time I insert the card, it does not move it back.00:55
telexicongranted, i dont really like adobe.. but what if they dont even know about it00:55
guerbymvo, thx00:55
telexicontopyli, is it?00:55
topyliit is00:55
telexicontopyli, red hat is not part of the community?00:55
DanaGMake sure the diff on that config file explains it enough to try to prevent duplicate bug reports.00:56
telexiconIBM is not part of the community?00:56
crimsunDanaG: yes, the error checking in module-gconf is insufficient00:56
telexicontheir employees rather00:56
x1250crimsun: what do you think then will be the final fix for hardy?00:56
darthanubistelexicon, its been explained to you in detail already. If you feel that strong about barking up the wrong tree, feel free to do it yourself. Until it gets fixed, use the current libflashsupport ,or go have a coke and smile.00:56
DanaGLike, "this module causes severe issues with flash; disabling it ensures we at least maintain existing ALSA behavior with 'default'"00:56
topylitelexicon: okay, if you include the entire society in the linux community, you're correct00:56
telexicondarthanubis, yea, no it hasnt... but its cool00:56
x1250oh, so that is, well, yep, it works00:56
topylitelexicon: of course, it doesn't mean anything then00:57
crimsunx1250: I have no idea.  I think the release managers will not approve my patch, but I stepped down as audio lead over a year ago, and they don't seem inclined to heed my justifications.00:57
darthanubistelexicon, why haven't YOU filed the bug?00:57
topylitelexicon: what you're saying is "linux is developed" and that's all00:57
telexicontopyli, yeah.. but it would be a myth to say its entirely hobbyist developed00:57
topyliit's developer developed :)00:57
darthanubiswe need the bot back bad:(00:58
DanaGSome of the HP printer stuff is done by HP themselves, right?00:58
telexicontopyli, well, i suppose it implies lots of people from different backgrounds are involved, instead of just a lot of people from one company00:58
x1250crimsun: if not, you could make a fixed package available somewhere00:58
arkaniadok, how do i update from dapper to the RC?00:58
telexicondarthanubis, yeah, i know how to fix the issue myself, im not clueless.. im annoyed on behalf of the people who dont know how to do that00:58
telexiconnot to mention it makes linux look bad00:58
topylitelexicon: right00:58
telexiconive already spent a lot of time advocating linux, and have gotten people trying it and using it00:58
darthanubisdoes not make linux look like anything00:59
arkaniadok, how do i update from dapper to the RC?00:59
darthanubislinux does not develop flash00:59
telexiconyeah be pedantic, have a nice day00:59
telexiconyes i understand that00:59
telexiconbut other people dont see that00:59
x1250arkaniad: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change dapper to hardy, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade, and oh, don't forget to pray :P00:59
telexiconthey see the end result, they tried linux.. flash doesnt work00:59
topyliheh linux doesn't even know about flash00:59
arkaniadlol?00:59
arkaniadis that bad?00:59
darthanubisif adobe keeps breaking linux support, how is that linux fault?00:59
arkaniaddoes it work?00:59
telexiconits not01:00
arkaniadsafely?01:00
telexiconbut other people dont see that01:00
x1250arkaniad: naah, it could go wrong, it could go ok, just a joke01:00
x1250but the joke could come true...01:00
DanaGI generally try to not get too annoyed at breakage or disabled stuff, as long as there's a good reason behind it.01:00
telexiconive even explained how its not linux's fault, they understand.. but dont care.. they just want to watch their videos01:00
x1250you'll never know till you try01:00
topyliarkaniad: i know people who have done it01:00
x1250:)01:00
arkaniadwell, i dont want to re-install my whole sys, pluss i have KDE and KDM on top of regular Ubuntu....01:01
DanaGNow, random unexplained breakage (as in Windows corrupting the permissions on the whole volume, or Explorer randomly ceasing to exist) -- that pisses me off.01:01
arkaniadand rare drivers01:01
topyliarkaniad: they have tested the upgrade, that is. installed a clean dapper install and upgraded01:01
DanaGWell-explained things seem reasonable to me.01:01
darthanubistelexicon, we care, but we also realize people can't crap wonders and pop thunder01:01
arkaniadugh, is there a safe and easy way?01:01
DanaGDoes disabling the HAL module completely fix flash?01:01
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x1250arkaniad: that was it01:01
topyliarkaniad: yes, and it's explained on the ubuntu web pages01:02
arkaniadlol....01:02
topylithe wiki at this point i guess01:02
arkaniadso do i have to un-install KDE and KDM?01:02
DanaGIf so, we can make a common FAQ / howto / factoid: have people set up nspluginwrapper, and re-enable that module, as one process.01:02
telexicondarthanubis, believe me, i understand.. im just pointing out the practical issues01:02
x1250arkaniad: why uninstall them?01:02
DanaGIt'd just be good to have an officially packaged nspluginwrapper even if it's not included by default.01:02
arkaniadwell i want them updated too01:02
darthanubistelexicon, I feel your frsutration, not trying to belittle it at all.01:03
telexiconDanaG, yes it definitely would01:03
arkaniadand will my drivers/settings be preserved?01:03
x1250you can update them...01:03
arkaniadk so i have to upgrade seperately?01:03
topyliarkaniad: all your proprietary drivers will break and you have to reinstall them01:03
arkaniadits not proprietary, its just only on the dapper CD01:04
DanaGOh yeah, that reminds me: any factoids telling about installing ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop should suggest the use of aptitude, for the sake of easier removal.01:04
arkaniadyes01:04
topyliarkaniad: interesting. what driver is this?01:04
x1250if you want more control, then uninstall all the kernel metapackages. Things like linux-image, linux-image-generic, linux-headers-generic, and the restricted drivers -generic metapackage01:04
x1250upgrate to hardy, and then manually update the kernel01:04
mneptokDanaG: not really, aptitude does not get the attention of the distro team the way apt does.01:04
arkaniadidk, but it is for my USB antennae for WiFi, and i have had rotten luck getting it on gutsy.01:04
DanaG... or anybody else, for that matter.  People never seem to suggest using it.01:04
topyliarkaniad: since you're worried, i wouldn't advice you to upgrade just yet anyway01:05
arkaniadok, so wait 6 days?01:05
topyliwe have bugs01:05
arkaniadyeah, ill wait. thanks for your time!01:05
arkaniadbai!01:05
x1250:P01:05
topylicheers :)01:05
DanaGI can't wait until this summer .... when I get my new laptop, I am soooooo going to get a case skin of the Heron.01:06
DanaGI just wish this wallpaper were included along with the other one:01:06
nonewmsgshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=753564&highlight=hardy+wired01:06
DanaG"color-grey-translucent.svg" -- link is just above the GDM thingy.  Note: this SVG chokes firefox for quite a while.01:07
theuser1i cant hear a sound. no audio i think since i upgraded to hardy. any help?01:08
DanaGpavumeter is silly -- there's no quick way to change device shown.01:09
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x1250theuser1: does it work on the live-cd?01:15
theuser1x1250 i have only alt cd01:15
Luckrider_is there a simple app that lets me see what the internal temperature of my Laptop is?01:17
DanaGsensors-applet01:17
DanaGIt's a panel applet.01:17
Luckrider_thanks01:18
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theuser1x1250 i have only alt cd01:19
x1250theuser1: system -> prefs -> sound, does any sound server works? Pick them from the dropdown menus and test them01:21
bythesealuckrider_ what type of laptop?01:21
Luckriderbytheasea T42p (IBM)01:23
Luckrider2ghz, 2 gig Ram, Radeon Firegl graphics card01:23
theuser1k01:23
Luckrider*bythesea01:24
filthpighiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home 01:24
aguitel_anyone have unstable wireless conexion?01:24
nonewmsgsfilthpig: what you can do is adjust the partition sizes and even if you just make a few gb extra you can mount it as /tmp01:25
Dr_willisI was thinking thee was an IBM laptop specific forum on the ubuntu forums.01:26
Dr_willisYou coould link /tmp to /home/tmp if /home is onits own partition also01:26
Luckriderthere are a lot of people that use IBm computers01:26
filthpigyeah, but that takes an ridiculous amount of time -and- there's the risk of corrupting system files01:26
filthpig:s01:27
x1250Dr_willis: there is a DELL support forum, but I don't recall an IBM one...01:28
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bythesealuckrider_ I use GKrellM along with I8fanGUI to control my fans on my dell laptop.01:30
Dr_willisx1250,  i  may be thinkin gof the laptop forum. But i thought they had a THinkpad subforum also01:31
Luckrideryou controll the fans, i just want to know what the temp is01:31
Luckriderbut...01:31
AtomicSparkmy evolution-data-server-2.22 is running at 50% cpu for awhile now and is "sleeping" how is it sleeping and using up that much cpu?01:31
LuckriderI will try that01:31
crimsunDanaG: / x1250: I've explained this at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888/comments/7501:31
crimsun(this patch*)01:31
AtomicSparkoh and i also have a sh process that is zombied but i cannot kill or stop it. -_-01:32
Luckridercan anyone get X Sensors to come up?01:32
DanaGOne question:01:32
DanaGIs Pulse now smart enough to not go pulse->alsa->pulse->alsa->(crash) if you asoundconf set-pulseaudio?01:33
DanaGOh yeah, it doesn't need to be.01:33
AtomicSparkhaha. that would bring lols DanaG01:33
DanaGThe other apps will go to the device anyway.01:33
bytheseathese programs will tell you the temperature and let you control the fans also01:34
LuckriderI typed the names into add/remove, and they didn't show01:34
Luckriderlet me try01:34
Luckrider"sudo apt-get install (Insert name here)01:34
Luckridernope, couldn't find I8fanGUI01:36
Luckrideror the other one01:36
AtomicSparkdo a package search http://packages.ubuntu.com/01:36
Luckriderbythesea01:36
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LuckriderI guess I clould01:37
Luckridernope01:37
LuckriderI did cntrl f01:37
bytheseahmm, not at my laptop. did you try grellm?01:37
Luckridertyped I8, and stopped there01:37
Luckrideryess01:37
Luckridercouldn't find that either01:37
bytheseaI think I installed it with synaptic01:38
crimsunok, time to make audio work on this macbook pro01:38
LuckriderI tried X Sensors, and that did nothing01:38
Luckriderbrb01:39
bytheseaLuckrider it is listed in synaptic01:40
bythesealuckrider  GKrellM2 is a for dell machines01:42
Luckriderwait Bythesea, Is it what is listed in synaptic?01:44
bytheseaboth programs are listed. I have it up on the screen right now01:46
Luckriderok01:46
Luckriderbut you said GKrellM2 is for dell?01:46
bytheseano i8k is01:47
Luckrideroh, so I should be able to get GKrellM@01:48
Luckriderok01:48
Luckriderlet me check01:48
LuckriderI typed in GKrellM2, and it said no matching01:48
Luckriderwhat verion of Ubuntu do you have?01:49
bytheseahardy01:49
Luckriderbythesea?01:49
Luckrideroh01:49
Luckriderok01:49
bytheseathat is what I am looking at right now01:49
LuckriderI thought that the support might have been pulled01:50
Luckriderhmm01:50
Luckriderlet me send you a screen shot ok?01:50
Dr_willis!find GKrellM01:50
Luckrider!GKrellM01:50
bytheseajust type in gkellm01:50
Luckriderok01:51
darthanubisbot is dead01:51
Luckrideroh01:51
Luckrideri guess so01:51
Luckriderubotu, nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo :C01:51
lenAnyone help with problem of cant power on in vmware?01:51
bytheseahmm I don't understand it01:51
Luckridercheck out that pic01:52
bytheseaLOL luckrider but I am not up on irc. so I don't know what happened to it. but it should be there if you haven't changes the source list01:53
bytheseaor something like that01:54
Luckriderthe list is set to show "All available Applications"01:54
* Luckrider throws my computer at the air to cool it off01:55
Luckriderlol01:55
LuckriderI need to be able to monitor my temp, cus I had it shut down before for "Critical. Shuting Down. Internal Temperature 180 degrees C"01:56
Luckrideri think it meant 180 Fahrenheit, but still01:57
Luckriderthat is hot01:57
linkinxphow i update drivers????01:59
_derspanksterLuckrider: 82 degrees C, I've seen that on occasion with my laptop, for a second or two, before it shut itself down02:00
Amaranthhrm02:01
Luckriderthat is possible02:01
Luckriderthat is still fricken hot02:01
Amaranthi can't seem to get my screen resolution setup right02:02
Luckriderthat is about 180 degrees f02:02
Amaranthnvidia geforce 8400 using nvidia-glx-new, some goofy TV/LCD Monitor thing02:02
LuckriderI just converted it02:02
Amaranthonly gives me 640x48002:02
Luckrider_derspankster, so it is possible it was either02:02
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LuckriderAmarranth02:02
Luckriderchange the scrren, not the card02:03
LuckriderI mean the type02:03
Amaranthcan't change the screen :P02:03
Luckriderin the drop down02:03
_derspanksterI doubt it was 180C02:03
Amarantherr, what drop down?02:03
Luckriderin the gui02:03
Luckriderwhat gui are you uing?02:03
Amaranthvim?02:03
Vorbotelen: What kind of problem do you have with vmware?02:03
Luckrider_derspanskster, I said I think it meant F not C02:03
AmaranthDo you mean displayconfig-gtk?02:03
Luckrideryeah02:03
Luckriderhold on02:04
Vorbotedisplayconfig-gtk is deprecated...02:04
Amaranthi know from OS X the best resolution to run at is 1152x86402:04
Luckriderok02:04
Luckriderclick the screen tab02:05
Amaranthand i tried using a Modeline to set that but it seems to be getting ignored02:05
Luckriderthen click the screen you want02:05
Amaranththere is 102:05
Luckriderthen click model02:05
Luckriderand change it to a generic 1400x150002:05
Luckrideruse the setting 1400x125002:05
Luckrideror whatever it is02:05
Luckrider1400x105002:05
Amaranththat doesn't give me 1152x86402:05
Luckriderthat is what it is02:05
Luckriderum...02:06
Luckriderit does for me02:06
Amaranthmaybe it will after i restart X02:06
Amaranthbrb02:06
Luckridertry using the Flgrx graphics drivers02:06
Luckriderit is a Radeon right?02:06
Amaranthfglrx? this is an nvidia card02:06
Luckrideroh02:06
Luckridernevermind02:06
Amaranthgeforce 840002:06
Luckridersorry02:06
Luckriderum02:06
Luckriderwell02:06
rainwalkerthis hardy release candidate is a huge letdown02:07
Luckriderjust try a different resolution, that one is very obscure02:07
Luckriderwhy rainwalker?02:07
VorboteLuckrider: hmm... What if you force 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh' and let X windows do its thing? X 1.4 is almost self-configurable.02:07
rainwalkerLuckrider: everything that worked in the betas suddenly doesn't; desktop effects, the new theme, my wireless02:08
Luckriderrainwalker, have you changed anythig?02:08
Luckriderit is possible that an update broke, that means an update will fix it withing a few hours02:08
Luckriderthe last time an update broek something, I had the fix in 10 minutes02:09
rainwalkerLuckrider: what do you mean? I'm on the live cd02:09
edjutrying to upgrade to 8.04 RC.  altho never comfortable with adept, thought I'd follow dir's at kubuntu's site.  but, adept does not have the "version upgrade" option.  did apt-get dist-upgrade, but got nada.  how to do it from the cl?02:09
Luckrideroh02:09
Vorboterainwalker: what video chipset/card do you have? I've noticed regressions with the intel drivers.02:09
Luckriderthen rainwalker02:09
Luckriderit needs to be updated02:09
rainwalkerati, and it everything works on gutsy, and past betas02:09
Luckriderlike I said, it needs to be updated02:10
LuckriderI think it is possible to do updates with the liv cd, and by that I mean that is will go away when you restart02:10
Luckrider*live-cd02:10
rainwalkerif so, that still doesn't make sense considering this all worked with the last beta02:11
rainwalkeris there a section for hardy on the forums? I can't find it02:11
Luckriderwhen did you download the disk?02:11
rainwalkertoday02:11
Vorboterainwalker: then it is something deeper, like the xserver. We'll need to complain at launchpad..02:11
rainwalker"skip_checks=yes compiz" didn't even work02:12
crdlbrainwalker: case-sensitive02:14
rainwalkeraha!02:15
rainwalkeroh, and there's the new themes right there in the theme window...wow02:16
Amaranthawesome, that gave me 1280x960 which seems to be even better02:16
rainwalkernow I just have to figure out why it wouldn't connect correctly with my wireless02:16
thompaim having a usb device mounting problem again02:17
Amaranthexcept i can't remember who helped me :/02:17
Amaranthwhoever it was, thanks02:17
lenVorbote: installed vmware workstation on dual boot ,,, when well until I tried to power on the virtual disk ... error " can't power on no peer?"02:17
thompapermissons of usb drive could not be determined, its my walkman02:18
thompado i have to manuely go in and edit fstab all the time02:18
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thompabasically, cant automount anything like in gutsy02:19
Alex_GaynorI just installed Hardy Heron RC on a PC(no previous ubuntu on it), and when I try to log in it just goes to a black screen and back to the log in screen, I think x is crashing, but I have no idea what to do about it, the machine has an AMD GPU so I'm guessing that  might be the problem, I can get to an xterm session though, can anyone assist?02:20
rainwalkerall that's left is to figure out my wireless, and why desktop effects run faster from the cd, and I'll be totally set for hardy!02:20
Vorbotelen:  (apolocies on the delay) So you are booting from a partion? If that is the case, you'll need to play with udev rules to assign ownership to your uid (and probably your uid) to let vmware be able to access the partition (if the host is POSIX enough, I don't know how to do it if you are using windows or such).02:26
Vorbotelen;: s/probably you uid/probably your gid/02:27
ampexanyone know how to turn on vsync in compiz?02:28
lenVorbote: I dont know the terminology ... new to this ... using virualbox .... and wont support vista.. trying vmware...  udev? posix? uid? gid?02:30
thompawalkman wont automount anymore so I can put files onto it. Anybody, Its same on a few machines02:31
thompaerror unable to mount location unknown device on walkman02:32
thompasame with ipod seems02:32
thompaanybody got usb plug and play working02:33
mneptokthompa: are the devices in MSC mode?02:35
mneptoklen: did you install vmware and vbox?02:36
Alex_GaynorI have a computer I just installed the Hardy Heron RC on(no previous ubuntu on it), and when I try to log on it goes to a black screen and then back to the login screen(presumabely X is crashing), I can get into an Xterm session though, can anyone assist?02:38
lenmneptok: no system crashed running kde  and gnome and I'm reinstalling over again hehe .. learn a little each time.... network not set up yet (samba)02:39
Dr_willisAlex_Gaynor,  so X with just a xterm works?02:39
Dr_willisAlex_Gaynor,  the gdm login screen works?02:39
Alex_GaynorDr_willis: I guess, if I go into options and change my session to be from the terminal it works fine02:39
Alex_GaynorDr_willis: Yeah, its the normal log in02:39
Dr_willisthats weird. sounds like gnome is crashing..02:40
Dr_willisI would say try installing some alternative window managers see if they work.02:40
Alex_GaynorThat was my thought(well except for when I thought it was X :P )02:40
thompamneptok: whats that?02:40
wastrelhi02:40
Alex_GaynorDr_willis: Any idea how to get logged onto a wifi network from terminal?02:41
Dr_willisI dont mess with wireless.. so nope.02:41
thompamneptok: it comes up as usb drive in the browser02:41
Alex_GaynorDr_willis: Hrm, I guess I'll have to google02:41
mneptoklen: you said you wanted VMs?02:42
thompai think the device is not recognized02:42
* Dr_willis is glad he ran wires.02:42
wastreliwconfig02:42
mneptokthompa: so the devices show up as mass storage?02:42
wastrelis it wep or wap02:42
lenmneptok: understand it's better  .... can run vista...02:43
thompamneptok: under file browser and if i double click to open . unable to mount device02:43
mneptokthompa: sounds like you borked permissions02:43
mneptoklen: what's "better?"02:43
thompamneptok: worked about 4 kernel versions ago autmounted02:43
mneptokthompa: Hardy is a beta.02:44
thompamneptok: im running both the 386 and 64 version on  one box02:44
Dr_willisits a RC now isent it? :)02:44
mneptokyou sent it where?02:45
mneptok:P02:45
Alex_GaynorYay, network admin worked, no cli for me02:45
thompamneptok: well usb problem is same on notebook02:45
lenmneptok: vm? xbox can't run vista?02:45
thompaeverything else is faster but usb is broke02:46
Alex_GaynorDr_willis: What desktom manager do you think I should try, I've never used KDE or Xfce (its an ATI gpu if that matters)02:46
Dr_willisAlex_Gaynor,  depends on your needs.02:46
Dr_willisi always install 'jwm' as a failsafe window manager. Its NOT a desktop  :) just a window manager02:46
Daisuke_Laptoplen: you should know by now...  NOTHING can run vista :)02:46
Dr_willisYou can easially intall them all if you want.02:46
thompamneptok: i know its beta, thats not the point02:46
Daisuke_Laptopbut it isn't beta02:47
thompaanybody got a walkman plug it in, just curious02:47
NirivenWhy am i always getting partial upgrades?02:47
Daisuke_Laptoplove to, but the last actual sony walkman i owned actually played cassettes.02:47
thompadid it have shock absorber?02:48
contrast83Greets, everyone...02:48
Daisuke_Laptopand i don't know if you've heard or not, but they're extremely outdated.02:48
Daisuke_Laptopthompa: no.02:48
lenaint it the truth  ... got a legit vista sitting here02:48
contrast83I just installed Hardy and it seems my wireless card isn't recognized at all, although lsmod shows the module for it (airo) is loaded. Can someone help me out?02:48
thompaDaisuke_this is a new walkman,02:48
thompasame with ipod02:49
mneptoklen: which Vista?02:49
telexicondid something happen to firefox in a recent update?02:49
thompawont open02:49
Nirivencontrast83, Check dmesg to see if its loading the firmware correctly02:49
telexiconits lagging my whole system as of today02:49
Daisuke_Laptopepiphany's always there for you02:49
Daisuke_Laptoplight and snappy02:49
mneptoklen: because VM software does not emulate the latest nVidia graphics chipset. it's usually Cirrus Logic. which utterly fails Vista's hardware reqs.02:49
lenx6402:49
Daisuke_Laptoplike firefox was (in the beginning, at least)02:49
thompaok can anyone plug in their ipod02:50
contrast83Niriven: Thanks... I haven't used dmesg before. You want me to pastebin the output of "dmesg | grep airo"?02:50
Nirivencontrast83, Sure02:50
Daisuke_Laptopis it even possible to run a 64 bit OS in a 32-bit VM?02:50
Nirivencontrast83, pastebin your full dmesg02:50
contrast83!paste02:50
thompaor is all my hardware broke since the earthquake02:50
contrast83!pastebin02:50
telexiconDaisuke_Laptop, whoa whoa02:50
lenmneptok: is vm better than vbox in your opinion?02:50
telexiconDaisuke_Laptop, firefox 3 sped things up considerably02:50
mneptoklen: KVM02:51
telexiconsomething happened _today_02:51
Daisuke_Laptoptelexicon: it did, yes02:51
mneptokgribelu: buna dimineatsa :)02:51
Daisuke_Laptopbut compared to the early versions, it's still a clunky mess :(02:51
telexiconbecause its eating up 90% cpu and thrashing my hard drive02:51
contrast83Niriven: http://pastebin.com/m116d5e0e02:52
mneptokDaisuke_Laptop: no, it is not possible02:52
Nirivencontrast83, pastebin these:02:52
lenmneptok: kvm?02:52
mneptoklen: correct02:52
Nirivencontrast83, 'dmesg' 'ifconfig' 'iwconfig'02:52
thompaok i will try and reinstall hal, but this would mean a reinstall would be better02:52
mneptoklen: but you will not run a 64-bit OS on a 32 bit host OS02:53
lenmneptok: thanks alot Where do I find/buy kvm?02:53
Daisuke_Laptopand that is what i thought (pretty much answers a question that was floating around earlier as well, about upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit (i think you have to reinstall for that)02:53
mneptoklen: it's Free software02:53
Daisuke_Laptoplen: sudo apt-get install kvm02:54
mneptokDaisuke_Laptop: and what other packages?02:54
mneptok;)02:54
lenThanks people your a great help!!!02:54
Daisuke_Laptoperm...  i dunno, i just use virtualbox02:54
mneptoklen: sudo apt-get install kvm virt-manager libvirt-bin qemu vde202:54
mneptoklen: but you will not run a 64-bit OS on a 32 bit host OS02:55
contrast83Niriven: http://pastebin.com/d72d8dde102:55
lenmneptok: does it allow access from sumba?02:55
mneptoklen: is Ubuntu running now?02:55
contrast83Niriven: Thanks for your help so far... BTW, I haven't changed my /etc/network/interfaces at all yet - it just contains these two lines: auto lo; iface lo inet loopback02:56
lenmneptok: Yes it is02:56
mneptoklen: egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo02:56
Nirivencontrast83, Eh, im not sure what to say why it isnt creating a device there. What about ifconfig wlan0 up or ifconfig eth1 up02:57
gribelumneptok: buna dimineata si tie :))02:57
contrast83Niriven: No such device02:58
mneptokgribelu: multsumesc02:58
lenmneptok: ok  term accepts but gives me nothing02:59
mneptoklen: then you cannot use KVM02:59
Nirivencontrast83, Thats as far as i know in terms of wireless stuff :-/ The device didnt seem to get created, dmesg isnt reporting any wireless device, like eth0 for yor network card.02:59
mneptoklen: and any VM software is going to be problematic02:59
contrast83Niriven: Could you maybe pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces so I might try to fill in the blanks in mine from it?03:00
mneptokcontrast83: lspci -vvvv | grep etwor03:00
lenmneptok: because i dont have fde installed?03:00
mneptokcontrast83: do NOT edit /e/n/ifaces by hand03:00
lenfde = kde03:00
Nirivencontrast83: Im running windows, not ubuntu, and i run gentoo, but im not in that at the moment.03:00
mneptoklen: because your processor does not support Vanderpool03:00
contrast8302:07.0 Network controller: AIRONET Wireless Communications Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b03:00
mneptokcontrast83: so the device is recognized, but probably has no Linux drivers.03:01
lenamd 2 5000+03:01
contrast83mneptok: No, it works fine in sidux, and past versions of Ubuntu03:01
mneptokcontrast83: using what driver?03:01
contrast83Worked out of the box.03:01
linkinxphow i update drivers????03:01
Alex_GaynorHrm, I seem to be able to run gnome applications from the cli, would that be an indicator that it isn't gnome crashing03:01
mneptokcontrast83: that may be, but it still requires a driver :)03:01
mneptokAlex_Gaynor: could be GDM03:02
prashant____hello friends i have a small problem while updating with dist-update system froze and now after rebooting even after an hour nothing appears after login... please help03:02
contrast83mneptok: I understand that. I'm just saying I never bothered to find out which one because it always "just worked." ;-)03:02
lenmneptok: had vbox running but couldn't from host03:02
Alex_Gaynormneptok: Logging on using failsafe gnome as my seession worked03:02
contrast83Actually, no, it uses the airo module, which is loaded.03:02
mneptokcontrast83: try to find out what driver supports that, and modprobe it manually if the module isn't loading automagically03:03
Nirivencontrast rmmod airo, modprobe aero, dmesg03:03
lenmneptok: had vbox running but couldn't read files from host03:03
lenonly the other way03:03
contrast83Niriven: Right... It's in use by other modules, gimme a minute. :-)03:03
mneptoklen: you do not have svm extensions in your CPU. VMs are going to be horrible.03:04
linkinxphow it out this toolbar? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=79114&file1=79114-1.jpg&file2=79114-2.png&file3=&name=Divinorum+Green+%26+Cyan03:04
linkinxpput*03:04
Nirivencontrast83, Wireless really blows in linux, because of the wireless vendors. I honestly would recommend if you can, upgrading the card to something more, well, supported. But thats me. Wireless isnt something to really play with in anything outside of windows :)03:04
IamReckHey I am using the latest version of ubuntu Hardy Heron, I have an external monitor set up with my laptop, and a few of the pixels are off the screen, anyone have a quick fix?03:04
Alex_Gaynormneptok: Since failsafe-gnome works what do you think the right next step would be, should I still try a different window maanger?03:05
mneptokAlex_Gaynor: move .gnome2 aside and try logging in03:05
lenmneptok: your over my head.. it seemed fin to me...will it crash sys03:05
contrast83Niriven: I always hear that, but in the past year and a half I've been on Linux, I've had reasonably good luck with the wireless cards in 5 different laptops.03:05
contrast83Niriven: Plus, IBM set up the BIOS on this laptop so you have to hack it to accept any other wireless card, which I'm not quite prepared to do. :-\03:06
mneptoklen: VMs are not something you play with like a new text editor.03:06
mneptoklen: virtual machines are not trivial.03:06
contrast83-_~03:07
mneptoklen: without vmx (Intel) or svm (AMD) processor extensions, use of any VMs will be a terrible experience.03:07
Nirivencontrast83, I know. I have a broadcom card and have nothing but problems with it half the time anyway.03:07
contrast83mneptok: They work fine here on my old Pentium 4's. :-)03:07
mzuverinkAnyone else having cd/dvd issues, as in the devices do not seem to have power?03:07
* mneptok pats his Intel 4965 Santa Rosa03:07
Alex_Gaynormneptok: Still crashed back to login03:08
lenmneptok: i blamed kde for crash ... was it myybe vms03:08
mneptokcontrast83: i'll bet you'd change your definition of "fine" after running them on Vanderpool-capable CPUs03:08
IamReckHey I am using the latest version of ubuntu Hardy Heron, I have an external monitor set up with my laptop, and a few of the pixels are off the screen, anyone have a quick fix?  Or a link with the necessary info that I need to fix it?03:08
mzuverinkIamReck, !patience03:08
contrast83mneptok: Erm... Probably not. They ran at least 80% as quickly as if they were native.03:09
mneptokIamReck: use the "auto-adjust" in the montior's menus03:09
taggieIamReck, try using the menu on the monitor, look for auto adjust03:09
Nirivencontrast83, Try uhh, ifconfig wifi0 up?03:09
taggieIamReck; what mneptok said.03:09
contrast83I'm not saying CPU's with enhanced virtualization instructions wouldn't make them go even faster, just saying they're still perfectly usable without.03:09
mneptokcontrast83: not universally03:09
contrast83Niriven: No such device03:09
lenmneptok: come to think about it ... directories lost files when transfering03:10
mneptokcontrast83: KVM, which is the supported virtualization schema in Ubuntu, *requires* vmx or svm03:10
contrast83mneptok: Well duh... I wouldn't dare try to run it on an old 800mhz :-P03:10
IamReckautoadjust did it. thanks.03:10
mneptoksee above03:10
contrast83Niriven: Having some trouble figuring out which modules are using airo03:11
Nirivencontrast83, Well did you check the blacklist file to make sure anything that airo uses isnt blacklisted03:11
contrast83Niriven: Ahh, good call... Been some time since I fiddled with a blacklist file. Where's that located again? :-D03:12
prashant____hello friends i have a small problem while updating with dist-update system froze and now after rebooting even after an hour nothing appears after login... please help :s03:12
Nirivencontrast83: try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist03:12
contrast83prashant____: Try Ctrl+Alt+F1 from the login screen -> login -> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:12
contrast83prashant____: And if that fails, then "sudo apt-get install -f"03:13
contrast83Niriven: thanks03:13
Nirivencontrast83, that might be it, look into those blacklisted things. Ubuntu does stuff like that, since, it compiles a kernel with all modules, it has to blacklist the ones it thinks it doesnt want.03:14
contrast83Niriven: Nothing in there either03:14
contrast83Nothing of import, anyway03:14
lenmneptok: is wine ok?03:14
mneptoklen: what is it you want to actually do?03:17
* mneptok stares at burne1 03:18
burne1what what!03:19
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lenmneptok: run my win apps in ubuntu and get rid of xp ...vista   but right now I can't  in about 5% of the apps03:19
* burner gets ready for some bad ass lan gaming warcraft 3 :)03:20
burnerlen: try virtualization?  virtualbox works well if you have enough resources03:20
lenplus my network  & company lap are running win03:20
burneryou can even stream netflix and abc through virtualbox03:20
hylinuxhi, I got one issue in ubuntu 8.04,  I can't logout from gnome,  when I click the logout button,  I can't see anything,  and keyword is die, but I can move my mouse, anyboday can help me?03:21
hylinuxthanks03:21
JohninkyI am mad at everyone of you all by not letting people of no info on the amount of software that is out there in this add/remove applications03:21
hylinuxpls.03:21
burnerhylinux: try "ctrl+alt+bksp"03:21
hylinuxburner:03:21
hylinuxyeah,  I can logout by these keys.03:21
hylinuxbut why when I click the logout button,  I can't?03:22
hylinuxthis is a bug?03:22
Johninkybut are they all free of infestation of viruses and other stuff03:22
burnerhylinux: not sure, any process that it's hanging on that you can identify?03:22
hylinuxburner: I can't identify,  because I don't what's command will be run when I click the logout button03:23
hylinuxburner: do you kown what's command will be run when I click the logout button?03:24
hylinuxI want to check which process had been hang.03:24
varaxisis anyone else having libjli java problems in the hardy rc?03:24
mneptoklen: what apps?03:28
hylinuxburner: are you here still?03:29
hylinuxhave free time? pls.03:29
contrast83Well, I'm off. Thanks anyway for trying, Niriven, mneptok. Peace.03:30
lenmneptok: peavie preamp zone programmer... amx controller.... autocad....  video converters and games hehe03:34
mneptokdual-boot03:35
mneptokVMs and WINE are not for you.03:35
JohninkyHey I have a great question, for a change,   is there a countdown timer like for the gadget bar in vista that I can put on my desktop???03:36
varaxisSo has anyone here installed the RC, then either sun or openjdk java and had it work?03:44
usservaraxis, sun jdk works fine here03:46
usservaraxis, can run netbeans and all03:46
mneptokvaraxis: how are you installing the JVMs?03:46
varaxiswell, I think my problem is that I'm trying to do it in casper (live cd)03:47
varaxisjust installing the packages - sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre or openjdk-6-jre03:47
mneptokso when you say "installed," what you mean is "not actually installed"03:47
varaxisNo, I mean installed -- want to see if this happens only on the live cds.03:48
usservaraxis, its a sun-java6-jdk actually03:48
varaxisif you need to compile java, yeah03:49
usservaraxis, if u looking for jdk not jre03:49
telexiconso nobody else is running into this issue?03:49
ussertelexicon, what issue?03:49
telexicona recent issue is causing firefox3 to hog all the cpu and thrash the disk all the time now03:49
telexiconer recent update03:49
ussertelexicon, oh that i gave up on firefox beta a week ago, dont know why they want to include it in the release03:50
ussertelexicon, just get a decent browser like konqueror or opera03:50
telexiconit wasnt doing this yesterday03:50
telexiconyeah, thats not a solution03:50
gribelutelexicon: doesn't do that here..03:50
telexiconi guess i should nuke my profile...03:51
ussertelexicon, do you have adobe's flashplugin installed, i'd blame it first03:51
gribelutry it03:51
telexiconi disabled flash and all my add-ons03:51
gribeluusser: i have it too03:51
gribelutelexicon: it just hogs the cpu for no reason? any specific websites?03:52
ussergribelu, it acts different as if it wasnt beta-tested at all03:52
telexiconits strange03:52
jblackHas anyone heard anything about the xen networking problems being fixed prior to release?03:52
telexiconit'll just be sitting on a text only page (im reading gnu docs and stuff like that)03:52
varaxismneptok: I'm respinning ubuntu cds for my school's computer lab with java on them so they can run eclipse in someplace that isn't the single Comp Sci computer classroom that's open when there aren't classes being held there. Java on the livecd is important for me because I obviously can't install to disk.03:52
telexiconand top shows it as bouncing from 30% to 90% cpu, and the disk is constantly working03:53
rpedro_the firefox beta crashes here when I finish reading my gmail, and close the tab, every-single-time03:53
telexiconwell theres a bug in flash that makes it crash all the time now03:53
ussertelexicon, if u rule out flash and all other plugins i'd say file a bug report.03:53
varaxisGutsy doesn't work because the Gutsy tigon3 module doesn't support the revision of the BCM5751 on the lab pcs. Otherwise I would rather just use it.03:54
rpedro_they downgraded flash in today's updates i think, telexicon03:54
telexiconit wasnt the version of flash that did it03:54
telexiconit was making flash work with pulseaudio03:54
telexiconwell i suppose it could be a gstreamer plugin thing03:55
telexiconat least they put the home button back in beta 5.. that was just crazy trying to move that03:56
virtualroadsidehey, how to downgrade a package?03:57
darthanubistelexicon, true03:58
darthanubistelexicon, your funny man03:58
telexicondarthanubis, why do you say that? :p03:58
darthanubistelexicon, :) the wayy you phrase things makes me laugh. I would say some of the same types of things.03:59
darthanubistelexicon, guess we think alike03:59
telexiconheh03:59
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darthanubisvirtualroadside, use synaptic03:59
telexiconi guess my profile exploded somehow04:02
coz_guys  I am compiling cairo dock onto hardy and one of the plugins wont compile because of     No package 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' found     I couldnt find that in the repos is that even aviable?04:07
dfeuerHey...  Quick question: How do I edit my keyboard layout manually?  I'd really like to set shift-space = space04:09
dfeueroh wait...04:11
dfeuersolved.04:11
sochi04:11
Jordan_Ucoz_, A search for "gtkmozembed" came up with libxul0d04:11
socshould pulseaudio work ootb?04:11
socbecause i have no sound atm04:11
coz_Jordan_U, ah ok thanks i will tyr that but I think I have that installed after searching myself :)04:12
coz_Jordan_U, yep I have that installed so apparently that is not what it is looking for :(04:12
Jordan_Ucoz_, What about libxul-dev ?04:13
Jordan_Ucoz_, You need the header files to be able to compile against it04:14
coz_Jordan_U, yes they are there tooo but let me check again04:14
Alan_MUbuntu server edition 8.04 is now being handled by shipit too?!04:15
Alan_Msuhweeeeet!04:15
quitttis Ubuntu being updated all time??04:15
coz_Jordan_U, yep that is also already installed :(04:15
Alan_Mquittt: yes04:15
quitttAlan_M, is it very stable?04:15
Alan_Mquittt: awesomely stable :)04:15
quitttfaster than the older version04:16
quittt?04:16
Alan_Mquittt: oh yes04:16
quitttgreat04:16
Alan_Mquittt: im a member of the ubuntu forum beginner team, i have been around since ubuntu 6.06 (dapper) its getting faster and faster every release :)04:16
Alan_Mquittt: ive been around so long the admins of the forums and myself play jokes on eachother hehe.04:19
quittthehehe04:19
Alan_MHardy Herron is looking so beautiful right now its making me cry :P04:20
Alan_MI was in development for it when it was a mere DREAM pretty much.04:21
x1250any of you guys will migrate to ibex alpha/experimental after hardy release?04:25
calcof course04:25
calci will the day it opens04:25
x1250me too04:26
calci kinda have to anyway :)04:26
calcso i can upload OOo 3.0alpha to it04:26
Alan_Mcalc: Developer?04:26
calcAlan_M: yea04:26
Alan_Mcalc: Shoulda known when you said "the day it opens"04:26
x1250Oh, great calc :)04:26
calchopefully doko won't break it too much04:27
Alan_Mam i seeing things or is shipit REALLY giving away ubuntu server cd's of hardy?04:27
calcbefore i switched to Ubuntu I used to always run Debian sid :)04:27
calcAlan_M: its probably preorder for next week's release04:28
LogicalDashsudo is telling me that it's "unable to resolve host my-laptop". Even though I'm running it *on* the machine in question. Huh?04:28
calcAlan_M: they've always produced pressed server cd's i don't know if shipit shipped them though04:28
calci have the full set of 7.10 discs04:28
x1250I have contributed myself packages, but for debian experimental (KDE4), then I became to busy, and then migrated to ubuntu04:28
x1250I'm not an experimented packager tho, my packages where simple ones04:29
* calc used to maintain KDE for debian :)04:29
x1250:)04:29
calcprobably would have to look pretty far back in the changelog now though04:29
Alan_MI keep trying to pull member status...am i just supposed to "show up" and say sup to the council or whatever?04:29
calcAlan_M: something like that, look at the wiki04:30
x1250maybe I'll contribute to ubuntu too, when the time comes. Right now I can't, damn university keeps me busy04:30
calcfrom jan 2002 - nov 2004 was when i maintained KDE04:30
Alan_Mi mean...i was scheduled...i got my launchpad set up and stuff.04:30
calcso long time ago, heh04:30
Alan_Mi gotta redo the date though, totally missed it.04:31
Alan_Mbecause im stupid...and didnt know04:31
* calc hopes to reinstall his laptop tomorrow with 8.04rc04:32
calcneed to get it cleaned up and ready for intrepid04:32
x1250hey calc, there is patch on launchpad for openoffice.org, since it ignores the theme color for the link (url) type of text.04:32
calcx1250: which bug?04:32
x1250Wait04:33
bcasanovHello, I'm kinda new to IRC.  I'm currently having a problem with no sound in my Dell 1420N.  I using Hardy with the latest updates.04:33
x1250calc04:34
bcasanovThe result of lspci | grep -i audio is:  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)04:34
x1250https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/21914004:34
darthanubisI miss ubotu :(04:35
bcasanovHave you guys heard of any reports of problems with audio in Hardy for the 1420N, or is this an isolated case?04:35
calcx1250: ok04:35
x1250bcasanov: uhm, does sound work on the live-cd?04:35
x1250I guess it should, DELL support is rather good04:36
x1250what sound card?04:36
bcasanovHi x1250.  I haven't tried the live-CD.  I just upgraded from Gutsy.04:36
calcx1250: do you happen to know the original bug report number that the patch came from upstream?04:36
x1250uhm, nope, I just chatted with someone on #openoffice.org and he fixed it04:37
calcoh ok04:38
bcasanovx1250: I'm not quite sure, but is the command for finding the sound card the same as lspci | grep -i audio?04:38
bcasanovI'm sort of a Linux newbie.04:39
anaoumI just installed hardy rc, and i get the error "internal error: failed to initialise hal" :S04:41
telexiconi cant believe they already added asus xonar support in the new kernel04:41
x1250bcasanov: what results? I have a DELL Inspiron 9400, and sound works ok. Search the DELL support forum en ubuntuforums.org, but I guess its an isolated issue04:41
telexiconthat thing only came out a few weeks ago right?04:41
x1250are you sure it is not a volume control issue?04:41
bcasanovx1250: the result of the lspci | grep -i audio command is Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02).04:42
anaoumanyone can help me on this problem?04:42
x1250ok, thats different than mine. bcasanov, did it work on the live-cd'04:43
x1250?04:43
bberniehas anyone had any experience getting programs that rely on libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 to work04:43
bbernieI am using the juniper networks linux vpn client and it errors with error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:43
bcasanovx1250: I haven't tried the live-Cd because I directly upgraded, but I'll be sure to test the sound using the live-CD right away.04:44
x1250do you have it at hand?04:44
bberniei ran apt-file on libstdc++libc6.2-2.so.3 but no results04:45
bcasanovx1250: I'm pretty sure its not a volume control issue because I looked in alsamixer and all the controls are set at the maximum.04:45
bbernieIt works fine in gusty gibon04:45
wastrelbbernie: try symlinking it to the current version04:45
Kl4mI don't want to file a bug before some confirmation: When I click on configure on the network monitor window ( http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captureeth1vo1.png ), I always get "interface does not exist"04:46
bcasanovx1250: I don't have the live-Cd at hand now, but I'm going to download it now just to make sure.04:46
bcasanovthat I can test it.04:46
bberniewastrel: there is no current version04:46
Kl4mTherefore this button is completely useless. It doesn't work since the new network manager with policykit I think04:47
x1250bcasanov: do you have pulseaudio installed?04:47
bcasanovx1250: I checked in Synaptic and yes, I do have it installed.04:48
x1250did you try the sound servers on system->prefs->sound, from the dropdown and click test?04:48
bcasanovHowever, when I go to Preferences>>Sound, the choices for devices are set to Autodetect.04:49
bcasanovx1250: yes, I did test, but no sound came out with each choice I made.04:49
Zoemhas anyone heard anything about firefox 3 beta 5 not rendering pages correctly?04:51
kecohi04:52
kecoi havea flyvideo 2000, ubuntu 8.04 have support for this device?04:52
x1250bcasanov: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=687726&highlight=82801H or read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=74705404:54
x1250it seems you're not alone04:54
bcasanovx1250: Thank you for these links!04:54
bcasanovx1250: It's good to know I'm not the only odd case.04:55
vbabiy-laptopHey has any one had trouble with the 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) on RC104:55
Zoembcasanov: is than an intel hda?04:56
BHSPitLappyI'm so excited about the mass kick in here04:56
bcasanovZoem: Yes.04:57
IdleOnemass kick?04:57
Zoembcasanov: I used this to get mine working on hardy https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto04:57
IdleOneoh the one Seveas usually does on release day04:57
bcasanovZoem: Thank you for the link!04:58
Zoemnp :)04:58
Zoemit's not too hard to follow, and it really covered everything for me04:58
kecommm, help!04:59
BHSPitLappykeco, have you tried?04:59
Zoemtoday is release day?04:59
BHSPitLappyZoem, no...04:59
bcasanovZoem: I'm checking out the information from both you and x1250.  It seems a lot of people are having problems with the Intel sound card.04:59
BHSPitLappyZoem, thursday.05:00
kecoi have a flyvideo 2000, ubuntu 8.04 have support for this device?05:00
Zoemlolk05:00
paradizelosthey all, i'm having some issues with update-manager-core/update-manager05:00
BHSPitLappykeco, have you tried it yet?05:00
ZoemI don't usually know what day it is anyway05:00
keco( my english is very bad )05:00
Alan_Mtoday is release CANDIDATE day...the OFFICIAL release day is thursday.05:00
paradizelostupdate-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.87.18) but 1:0.87.21 is to be installed.05:00
wastrelthursday05:00
BHSPitLappyAlan_M, you mean yesterday?05:00
x1250paradizelost: you'll have to wait till .21 version for update-manager gets into repos05:00
wastrelhrm05:00
kecowith 7.10 this device works!05:00
Alan_Mbhspitlappy, something like that :P05:01
BHSPitLappykeco, then it probably works in hardy as well05:01
kecobut whitout sound!05:01
paradizelostx1250, there's no way to override the dependency?05:01
x1250hold the package05:01
paradizelostor to force the install?05:01
x1250aptitude hold the_package05:01
jomofoDoes 8.04 beta + updates = 8.04RC and will 8.04RC + updates = 8.04LTS    or should I grab the ISO on each increment?05:01
BHSPitLappykeco, why not try it yourself?05:01
paradizelostso do i hold core, or just update-manager?05:01
wastrelhi05:01
BHSPitLappyjomofo, updates work05:01
paradizelostcool it worked by holding core.  thanks!05:02
paradizelostany idea when it should be safe to unhold it?05:02
kecook, i sorry05:02
x1250paradizelost: or try # aptitude safe-upgrade, maybe it works05:02
paradizelostx1250 as long as it's not bitching, and trying to uninstall ubuntu-desktop, i'll be fine... ;)05:03
Alan_Mjomofo, keep updating, once you have one...and update it constantly till release date...it becomes the stable version=the one the servers are putting out ;)05:03
paradizelostty for your help!  cya05:03
x1250or try holding both05:03
BHSPitLappyAww, ShipIt got stingy.05:03
wastrelhi dudes05:03
Zoemdang it :(05:04
Alan_Mbhspit, shipits actually giving away the freaking SERVER cd's!05:04
BHSPitLappyFirst I got 3 CD's a long while back, then 10 for Gutsy, now 1 for Hardy :(05:04
Alan_Mthats something ive NEVER seen them do.05:04
bberniewastrel: linking with the version of libstdc++ that comes with hardy heron produces errors: ./ncsvc: symbol lookup error: ./ncsvc: undefined symbol: __builtin_new05:04
Zoemanyone have any problems with firefox?05:05
wastrelbbernie: incompatible library versions05:05
Kl4mZoem: some have?05:05
wastrelbbernie: if it were me i'd try to compile a copy of the library it's looking for05:05
ZoemKl4m: like, it not rendering CSS at all?05:06
bbernieman05:06
Kl4mdid you restart it after an update?05:06
Zoemyes05:06
Kl4mIn the view menu, there's an option for page style05:07
paradizelostok, one more question, where do i find the 32bit compatibility libraries?05:07
ZoemI have no style, or basic page style05:07
x1250images?05:08
Kl4mShould be basic05:08
Zoembasic page style skips CSS, no style skips layout05:08
paradizelostanyone? Crossover Office is telling me "You might be missing the 32bit compatibility libraries05:09
BHSPitLappyAnyone heard of Openoffice.org packages conflicting?  (-core and -common)05:11
BHSPitLappyI can't install OOo because of this issue.05:11
Zoemoh, that's neat05:11
ZoemI have several hundred error messages in the firefox error console05:12
Zoemthey all read "Error in parsing value for property (some css attribute). Declaration dropped"05:12
x1250Zoem: thats normal, crappy stylesheet, not FF's fault05:13
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Zoemgoogle is crappy stylesheet?05:13
Zoemgoogle barely even has a stylsheet05:13
Zoemor how about this page? http://ubuntuforums.org/05:14
ZoemI have no css on that at all... no color whatsoever05:14
bberniewhat are people supposed to do if a binary is dynamically linked to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ?  from what I can gather a bunch of vpn clients look for this file05:15
x1250Zoem: sure it is, crappy == not standards compliant. They work, but console errors are ok.05:15
Kl4mZoem: try to reinstall firefox, or clear your profile at ~/.firefox or ~/.mozilla (make a backup!)05:15
Zoemconsidering I reinstalled hardy today, I don't think it's the ff05:17
Zoemmight be profiles... checking now05:17
Zoemok then05:18
Zoemprofile it was05:18
Zoemthank you Kl4m05:18
tuntunWhy on earth do I have do a search for file 'foo' before I get the chance to configure the search?!?!05:21
tinomenWhen I try to run the live CD Ubuntu 8.04 x64 my monitor just shuts off and the computer does nothing05:22
wastrelconfigure search what now?05:22
DanaGcrimsun: I just had a random thought: would it help at all for pulseaudio to use the CARD= identifiers instead of device indices?05:23
tinomenAsus P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi, 2Gig DDR3, 8800GTX, 2 Raptor 150 Fakeraid, 1 500 Gig WD hard drive05:23
tinomen40" Samsung 1080p and 24" samsung05:24
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tuntunMain-menu > Accessories > Tracker-Search-Tool   ...Who the hell thought that It would be a good idea to only let the user configure the search after having done a first search?!?!05:28
paradizelostthey want to make sure you know what a "search" does first....05:30
matyyhej, when a program freezes, and I press this "restart program" button, it starts without any settings (pidgin -> accounts gone, amarok -> music gone), when i stop it, and start it normally, everything is back again.05:31
Some_PersonI'm now running Hardy RC05:32
Some_PersonSo far, I like it05:32
paradizelostas do i, if i can figure out how to get my sound working...05:33
paradizelostusing optical out05:33
Some_PersonWhich is better: ALSA or PulseAudio?05:33
paradizelostworks fine in windows, but doesn't seem to want to do the job.  it sees the card just fine05:34
tuntunMain-menu > Accessories > Tracker-Search-Tool   ...Oh great... And it it only searches within the home dir...without even telling you!!! This is turning into a farce...05:34
Fritzeldoes anyone have any idea why flash would be pausing video after playing for about 1 seconds05:38
Fritzel-s05:38
misfit_246can someone please help me with a file recovery issue?05:38
paradizelosthmm. anyone know how to set up an IPSEC vpn on hardY/05:40
misfit_246my ubuntu system is really messed up because I installed automatix and it ruined my permissions05:40
paradizelost?05:40
misfit_246now I can't back up files into my external hard drive05:41
r00723r0Why is my flash not working?05:41
misfit_246it says i don't have permissions to read and write?05:41
paradizelostmisfit -  i doubt that it touched your external hard drive05:41
misfit_246well, some of the files I created I can't have access to05:42
misfit_246but I can read the hard drive just fine in windows05:42
paradizelostmisfit - you tried sudo?05:42
misfit_246and write to it to05:42
misfit_246yes05:42
paradizelostmisfit - then your mount umask is probably srong05:42
misfit_246I tried sudo05:42
paradizelosti'm assuming it's FAT3205:42
Some_Personi must say, they have got to fix that compiz bug sometime05:42
misfit_246no05:42
misfit_246it's ntfs05:42
paradizelost!ntfs05:43
paradizelostmisfit - ask in #ubuntu, the bot should have answers05:43
misfit_246it shouldn't have a problem reading ntfs though, right?05:44
paradizelostmisfit - you will if your umask is wrong05:44
misfit_246what's the umask?05:44
paradizelostmisfit, please just ask in #ubuntu, do a !ntfs05:45
paradizelostand re-follow the how-to05:45
misfit_246ok05:46
DanaGHeh, ALSA thinks my USB headset has an SPDIF output.05:51
BHSPitLappyDanaG, maybe it's a hidden feature :)05:51
DanaGNope.05:52
DanaGWell, perhaps I could use it as coaxial SPDIF.05:53
DanaGBut it's not digital.05:53
HorizonXPwaaaaaaaaahhhh.... why won't hardy come out NOW?? lol. I can't wait until the 24th06:15
soreauI was curios about what further changes Hardy will receive between now and the official release date06:17
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_Rambaldi_Good morning everyone06:28
_Rambaldi_is there a system monitor, for terminal06:33
soreautop06:33
cvd-prhow to create a luncher that run an sh program?06:37
Zoemisn't that just like creating a launcher for other programs?06:37
cvd-pri run the program in the terminal like this, sh jKiwi06:38
cvd-pri want to create a launcher in the menu06:38
Jordan_Ucvd-pr, Just make the "command" a path to the script06:39
cvd-prusing this sh -c " " ?06:40
chtriok i found a topic on ubuntuforums, and it seems a lot of ppl have an issue with ubuntu only recoqnize 3.8 gb from 4 gb ram. and i tried server edition too.06:40
Zoemchtri: are you using a 64 bit version of ubuntu?06:40
chtri64-bit06:41
chtriand memory remap enabled06:41
Zoemhmmm06:41
chtriand windows see 4094mb06:41
cvd-prchtri,  make windows the default os06:42
chtri:)06:42
ZoemI've never heard of this at all06:42
cvd-pr:-)06:42
chtrii want ubuntu to work properly too )06:43
cvd-prHey when i run this in the terminal , sudo apt-get install xyz its install the xyz without asking me first06:44
Zoemit remembers your sudo password for a certain amount of time06:45
cvd-pro ok06:46
Zoemchtri what kernel are you on?06:46
Lynourecvd-pr: apt-get only asks for confirmation when it pulls packages other than you explicitely told it to (that is, dependencies)06:46
chtriZoem: i use stock kernels06:46
hischildcvd-pr, it only asks you if you're sure you wish to install it, if it has to download and install other packages as well.06:46
Zoemand what kind of processor do you have?06:46
cvd-prhey its there a way to repair samba? this hapends when trying to install samba06:46
cvd-prUnpacking samba (from .../samba_3.0.28a-1ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...06:46
cvd-prSetting up samba (3.0.28a-1ubuntu4) ...06:46
cvd-prGenerating /etc/default/samba...06:46
cvd-pr * Starting Samba daemons                                                [fail]06:46
cvd-prinvoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.06:46
cvd-prdpkg: error processing samba (--configure):06:46
cvd-pr subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 106:47
chtriZoem: core 2 duo E430006:47
cvd-prErrors were encountered while processing:06:47
cvd-pr samba06:47
cvd-prE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:47
cvd-prsorry for the paste06:47
Lynoure!pastebin | cvd-pr06:47
Zoemchtri: try installing the amd64 kernel. It is the 64 bit specific linux kernel06:49
chtriZoem: i think stock ubuntu 64-bit edition kernel is amd64 kernel06:49
soreauI was curios about what further changes Hardy will receive between now and the official release date. Any general answer?06:49
Zoemchtri: what does grub say?06:49
Flannelsoreau: fixes.06:50
Lynourecvd-pr: sounds like a problem in the package. You could try  sudo apt-get clean  and then installing it again06:50
soreauFlannel: That's all I needed, thanks06:50
chtriZoem: uname command say x86_6406:50
cvd-prLynoure, i already do that, and also i cant reinstall the samba-common06:50
cvd-pr:-(06:50
Lynourecvd-pr: but if it is not corruption in your copy, nothing much to do than to report a bug and wait06:50
chtriZoem: dunno about grub06:50
Zoemwell, that's the same thing06:51
Zoeminteresting...06:51
DannilionArg... I cannot install Hardy on my laptop due to a bug with wireless.06:51
chtrithis is that topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=375853&page=2 and it seems ppl are use asus boards based on P965 chipset mostly06:54
dthacker-workDannilion: got a bug number?  I have a laptop and I'm insterested in whether I'd have the problem06:55
Zoemchtri: if you have the 64bit kernel and the bios set correctly, I don't see why it wouldn't work06:55
Zoemwas that output from uname -r there?06:56
Danniliondthacker-work:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18361906:58
arcanistherogueuh ubuntu froze when I was upgrading to hardy07:00
chtriZoem: probably07:00
arcanistherogueit booted up fine, what should I do?  should I start hte upgrade all over again07:00
* cyphase just ordered his CDs from shipit07:01
Zoemchtri: what motherboard do you have?07:04
Lynourechtri: did you already try the blacklisting mentioned in that forum thread?07:06
cvd-prHow to start xchat minimized?07:09
cvd-prthe samba is fixed now07:10
cvd-pr!!07:10
dekI just upgraded to Hardy and now firefox won't run. Any idea what's wrong? (using Kubuntu)07:11
Zoemdek: does it give an error message?07:12
dekZoem: no07:12
dekZoem: i did a reinstall of firefox package, and its still the same07:12
Zoemhave you tried running it from the command line?07:12
dekZoem: "The program 'firefox' is currently not installed." lol07:13
dekZoem: seems my Firefox 2.0.0.13 got whiped :P07:13
Zoemoh, that's good07:13
Zoemwell, not really07:13
Zoemit should have installed firefox 3 beta 507:14
Zoemhmm...07:14
Zoemwhat does it say when you sudo apt-get install firefox07:14
dekZoem: now I do an install on firefox 3 and I get "firefox-3.0 is already the newest version."07:14
Lynouredek: 3.0 and 2 won't run at the same time07:15
dekLynoure: no version whatsoever seems to be running now07:15
Lynouredek: oh, ok.07:15
Zoemheh07:15
Lynouredek: try firefox-3.0 or firefox-2   from command line instead of plain firefox07:16
dekLynoure: nice, firefox-3.0 works :D07:18
dekLynoure: I wonder why all menu shortcuts were broken07:18
Zoemdek: try 'which firefox' on the command line07:18
dekZoem: I get no output with that07:19
Zoemthat's why07:19
Zoemthere seems to be nothing called "firefox" in your path :)(07:19
dekah07:20
dekhow do I add it?07:20
Zoemchange the menu shortcuts to say firefox-3.007:20
dekI could create an alias too :P07:20
Zoemor link firefox-3.0 to firefox in /usr/bin07:20
dekhow do I do the second alternative?07:21
Zoemjust a moment07:22
Zoemsorry, had a runaway script07:22
dekok07:22
Zoemanyway, the easy way is to gksu nautilus, and just browse to /usr/bin07:22
Zoemfind firefox-3.0, make a link, and rename it07:22
Zoemif you don't mind be lazy and not old-school07:23
dekhaha ok07:23
dekdone :) thanks!07:24
chtri<Zoem> ASUS P5B07:25
Zoemchtri: ah, well, that walkthrough in the forums is about all I can do then07:25
chtri<Lynoure> no, i think blacklisting is for older versions of ubuntu, and after blacklisting ppl see 3.8 gb too...07:25
chtriLynoure: before blacklistin ppl see even less than 3.807:26
Zoemwhat I got is that before blacklist they didn't see anything07:27
Zoemdek: Your welcome :)07:27
FritzelI have invisible pointers again in some applications, by any chance has anyone discovered what was going on since I asked lasttime07:29
Lynourechtri: do you happen to have a video card that uses shared memory?07:31
Zoemooh, good point07:32
chtriLynoure: no, its 8800 gts 512. but i think that even with such card, its address space should be ramapped beyond 4gb, and should not interfere with memory available to OS, dunno07:33
Lynourechtri: depends. I think I have seen one where you set in bios how much they chop and that part is never seen in Linux as such07:33
chtriagp aperture size probably?07:34
tanneranyone else experiencing problems with external drivers not being properly recognized?07:34
Lynourechtri: Cannot remember, not my hardware. But you do have the motherboard commonly mentioned in that thread? Or some other?07:35
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chtriLynoure: not exactly, but it seems P5B variants mentioned like P5B deluxe, P5B-VM, or so (i have p5b). dunno, maybe its BIOS bug?07:38
kindofabuzzhow can i get my wireless working. probably a very common question.  i've got it to where i see signal bars but all grey.  i've tried everything possible i've found googling.  any one got any ideas?07:39
tanneranyone know how to force nautilus to refresh the drives?07:39
Zoemkindofabuzz: what is output of ifconfig?07:39
kindofabuzzZoem, well that's a totally differnt computer so can't paste.  i've got it set to my essid but it says access point: not associted for wlan007:40
Zoemoh07:40
kindofabuzzand no channel07:41
Zoemummm07:41
Zoemi dunno... this is an area of continual frustration to me07:41
kindofabuzzwith gutsy when you check the bcm restricted you can make it load whatever file you want. so i was gonna try that.  but evidentally in hardy you can only go to the repos07:42
kindofabuzzand hardy sometimes locks up in the restricted driver thing07:42
kindofabuzzanyone? beuller? beuller?07:42
LynoureNo idea what beuller is, sorry.07:43
kindofabuzzlol that's from a movie. see above that07:44
Lynourekindofabuzz: bueller I'd  know... =)07:44
kindofabuzzjeez, well you read it right.  so that's all that matters07:45
kindofabuzzi don't see how theey're gonna release hardy with this huge problem.  i know i'm not the only one07:46
LynoureI seriously though beuller was the chipset of your wifi or something07:46
tanneranyone know how to force ubuntu to recheck for drives07:47
kindofabuzzno but i'm sure you can take a guess, the main one that don't work in hardy but probably the most common07:47
kindofabuzzthis room doesn't buzz like #ubuntu does =|07:48
Daisuke_Idothere's also only about 1/3 the people, and it's the middle of the night/early morning where most english speaking users dwell07:49
Zoemand less people know solutions to hardy problems07:50
kindofabuzzit's friday night! =)07:50
Lynourekindofabuzz: worry not, if the bug is reported, they'll take it into consideration, and it is very common, someone is probably already working on fixing it to the degree they can07:50
kindofabuzzsigh, back to gutsy =(07:50
Daisuke_Idokindofabuzz, that's another reason.  one thing i've noticed about linux users is that a pretty good number of them like their beer or other alcoholic beverages07:51
Lynourekeep on following the launchpad entry for the bug, often solutions pop up there07:51
Daisuke_Idoi still feel dirty for using wine07:51
kindofabuzzLynoure: i've tried every solution tossed out in launchpad07:51
Zoemkindofabuzz: if it's any consolation to you, I've nerfed the hardy install on my laptop three times now07:52
Zoemit's gutsy for me there, too07:52
kindofabuzzi got one more thing to try, uninstall the cutter and use the deb i have and hopefully it will let me choose the driver thing07:52
tannerany idea why ubuntu would not recognize eSATA drives07:54
Zoemtanner: during boot, or afterwards?07:54
tannercorrection: why it will not mount, or show up under "places"07:54
Zoemoh07:55
Zoemongoing bug with removable media07:55
tannerexceptionally annoying :-\07:55
Zoemyeah. the regression for usb cameras is really bad07:55
tannerperhaps its a hal bug07:57
tannerthey really should implement a method to force a recheck of the attached drives07:58
Zoemoh, I'm sure there is, involving killing something or something like that07:58
tannerthats a rather primitive solution07:59
Zoemyeah...08:00
tannererm08:01
orvokkiAnyone else got postfix installed?08:04
orvokkiMine seems to behave a bit bad.08:04
orvokkiThat is, it doesn't stop on init script. I think I already sent a bug report (if it indeed got through).08:05
orvokkiMakes upgrading postfix a bit of a hassle.08:05
Zoemi seem to remember something like that also08:06
Lynoureorvokki: not on hardy, no, sorry. If you don't get heavy mail traffic, you could smack it will kills08:08
orvokkiLynoure: Yeah, I did manage to get it down finally by sending a few -9's to the mother process.08:09
DannilionPhew... it looks like there's no damage inside the laptop.08:09
tanneri find it rather interesting that there were no problems with automounting with the -12 version of the kernel :-\08:17
VanDykehey guys08:19
VanDykequestion08:19
VanDykehow do I change my default sound device08:19
brynjolfanyone else having problems pressing ctrl alt backspace or logging out? For me it just freezes with no coherent errormessage except that localhost refuses connection08:19
VanDykesystem/preferences/sound has it all pointing to pulseaudio server08:19
fbnhi, boot resolution of usplash is set to 640x480, how can I change this?08:23
fbn/etc/usplash.conf is empty08:24
brynjolffbn: I have the same problem ^^08:25
fbnbrynjolf: and found a solution for it? :) are you using nvidia?08:25
brynjolfnope, no solution so far (FGLRX/ATI)08:27
brynjolfJust wanted to let you know you werent alone hehe08:27
wolf4914I am trying to uninstall Nvidia 173.08 and sh ./NVIDIA_SCRIPT --uninstall says can not find it?08:27
chtriits something like nvidia-installer --uninstall or so08:28
chtrilook into documentation08:28
chtriwhat is nvidia_script?08:28
wolf4914their docs look outdated though08:29
wolf4914the installer runs with sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run08:30
chtrii know, and it should install nvidia-installer somewhere08:31
chtridunno, maybe package accept uninstall command too08:31
HorizonXPRelease Candidate! YAY!08:33
HorizonXPif I'm already on Hardy, if I have the current updates, it's the same thing right?08:34
chtriright08:34
HorizonXPwhen the final release comes out next week, you think it's a good idea to do a clean install?08:34
HorizonXPclear out any "cruft" from the beta?08:34
chtrii always do clean install08:35
HorizonXPme too08:35
HorizonXPbut I just thought it was me being paranoid08:35
chtriits just we both paranoid08:35
HorizonXPlol08:35
HorizonXPno doubt :D08:35
FritzelI have a quad core processor and I'm messing around with Screenlets, there's one called Sensor's  and I'm showing 5 cpus, does anyone know if one of them is an overall sensor? they're labeled CPU0 - CPU408:37
chtrithe one with lowest temp08:38
Fritzeltemp? was that to me? if so I don't understadn08:38
dthacker-workbuy 4 cores, get one free?08:38
hischildFritzel, i think that one of them is the average of the other 4.08:39
Fritzelbest guess, 0 would be the overall?08:39
FritzelI want to monitor overall08:39
hischildFritzel, it's probably either the 4th or 0th one08:40
Fritzeland most likely it'd be the lowest of the 5 assuming steady cpu usage correct?08:41
chtrithere is no "overall" sensor, there are sensors located in cores, and sensor located on cap. if cpu have no cap sensor, this value calculated by bios08:41
chtribased on cores values08:41
Fritzelapproximates are fine, I just want to know if something pegs my processor at a glance, it's happened several times08:42
chtriand temperature in cores always higher than cap temperature08:43
Fritzelok in case anyone else tries this screenlet it looks like 0 is the combined approximation08:44
chtrisomething is wrong08:45
chtriat least if you dont use liquid nitrogen cooling08:46
kabadsusing u 8.04, is there a reason why users-admin won't let me add groups or users (buttons are blanked out)? I've tried gksudo users-admin with the same effect.08:47
DistroJockeykabads: did you click on the Unlock button?08:48
kabadsDistroJockey: there appears to be no unlock buttons08:48
kabadson that particular app08:49
DistroJockeyhmm08:49
DistroJockeyis on mine08:49
kabadsah, no - I'm wrong08:49
kabadsmy bad08:49
kabadsthanks08:49
DistroJockeynp08:49
skwashdhi all08:49
skwashdsuspend to ram is completely broken on my new dell d830 running hardy amd64 install08:50
skwashdother than recompiling the kernel ... can i disable suspend to ram?08:50
skwashdi need acpi08:50
kabadsusing users-admin, when I add a group the group name does not appear in the group settings dialogue  - it's just a blank08:51
DistroJockeykabads: yeah, same for me, looks to be broken atm08:54
sharperguyYay, suspend actually works again!08:55
skwashdsharperguy: you had issues with suspend to ram?08:56
Vorbotekabads: It seems that it doesn't recognize the new group until the machine reboots. That means it is reading the kernel's internal group list (that's broken behavior in my book).08:56
sharperguyWell when I bought this laptop (one with ubuntu from dell), suspend was fine on feisty, but broke on upgrade to gutsy.08:57
sharperguyThen the hibernate broke when I changed to the rt kernel, but now it all seems to be fine08:57
skwashdsharperguy: amd64/i386? what was the fix?08:57
sharperguyi386, fixed by upgrading to hardy :)08:58
skwashdi have a dell d830 (amd64) with self installed .. my d810 (i386) self installed works fine08:58
skwashdok08:58
sharperguycool08:58
Vorbotekabads:Worse, the tool didn't even create a new group. Hmmm... Time for launchpad.08:59
skwashdi have just hacked /etc/default/acpi to try to fix mine08:59
skwashdi don't really use/need suspend anyway08:59
skwashdhibernate would be nice ... but doesn't work with crypto root :(09:00
sharperguyhmm09:00
kabadsVorbote: Are you logging it?09:04
VorboteI was in the process, do you want to do it yourself?09:04
kabadsno, please carry on.09:04
kabadsthanks09:04
kabadsI didn't want to replicate though09:04
Vorbote:-)09:04
DistroJockeykabads: Vorbote: Already a bug filed:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/20514409:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 205144 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin cannot add groups in hardy beta" [Medium,In progress]09:04
kabadsI'm just glad to help09:04
VorboteDistroJockey: thanks for noticing. kabads, we better join the chorus to make it louder.09:05
DistroJockeyVorbote: no problem09:05
joeaminedhi09:05
kabadsDistroJockey: just reading it09:06
joeaminedi just upgraded to hardy and it is really great09:06
joeaminedcongratulations09:06
joeaminedI just would like to know how to make audiopulse work on hardy09:06
Daisuke_Idopulseaudio is enabled by default09:06
x1250IIRC, not when upgrading from gutsy09:07
VorboteJust an observation, subscribing to a bug is as compelling as a me too post in launchpad and less annoying :-)09:07
Daisuke_Idoooh09:07
Daisuke_Idothat explains some things then09:07
Daisuke_Idoi'm going to have to blow my laptop away and install fresh09:08
joeaminedDaisuke, i made a server upgrade, so it isn't09:08
kabadsit seems that users-admin doesn't show all groups - I was trying to add a video group, it turns out that it already exists but it's not shown in users-admin09:10
VorboteDaisuke_Ido: that's not necessary. You can jump to init 1, delete the sound configs in your $HOME/.gconf dir and return to level 2. That should take care of old configuration defaults. (Then you will have to reconfigure your sound but the base config will be fresh).09:11
Daisuke_IdoVorbote, if that were it, that would be fine09:12
Daisuke_Idoi've been upgrading since feisty on that laptop (currently at the hardy RC)09:12
x1250Daisuke_Ido: just install pulseaudio from hardy when upgrading...09:12
Daisuke_Idoi would like to start fresh with hardy on there09:12
Vorbotekabads: that's true but it is an upstream problem (they filter down some groups, I haven't figures out the reason in the madness yet).09:13
kabadsah right - that makes sense as there are an awful lot missing when compared to /etc/group09:13
VorboteDaisuke_Ido: sometimes it is is a good idea, (I did it myself in this one). But do make sure to move your .gconf and .gconfd dirs out of the way. Keep around your eveo config dirs if you use it though (backup and restore will help a lot).09:15
Vorbotes/eveo/evo/09:15
Daisuke_Idowhen i say start fresh, i mean completely fresh09:15
Daisuke_Idothere's nothing there i need, just the directory i keep papers in for school09:16
VorboteAhh! I'm too attached to my home dir :-)09:16
Daisuke_Idoit's just my school laptop09:16
Daisuke_Idoi wouldn't think of doing that to my desktop machine :D09:16
VorboteI couldn't get rid of my pr0n :-P09:17
DanaGI have too much system-level tweaked stuff.09:17
DanaGThings like xorg.conf, dnsmasq, sources.list, interfaces, and such.09:17
VorboteDanaG: in that case, it is a good idea to put your modifies files under some sort of source control (cvs, subversion, git, bzr) and keep the master copies in your homr partition09:18
cvd-prcan i run in virtual box an already windowsxp partition?09:19
x1250me too, but I keep them on ~/src/ubuntu/system, that equals /, so /src/ubuntu/system/etc has all custom files I get my hands on. I then symlink it to /etc. Handy method...09:19
x1250I mean I symlink every file in there, to the corresponding one on /etc09:20
Vorbotecvd-pr: probably. I know you can with vmware not sure about VB though. Yet, you'll need to hack your udev config files so that you own that partition (or execute VB as root, not a good idea IMO).09:21
Vorbotex1250: that's also a good strategy as long as you have it in different partition :-)09:21
x1250yes, you can, I don't know how, but yesterday some guy said he did it after I told him how to install virtualbox, so it must be a simple thing09:22
x1250Vorbote: yep09:22
Vorbotecvd-pr: you can force ownerships in fstab as well (I'm just lazy and prefer to use udev :-))09:23
mzuverinkCould anyone report if they are having issues w/ cd/dvd ide devices on X86 64bit arch?  It is as if they have no power at all, though the drives work fine in both XP and Gutsy.09:24
Vorbotemzuverink: that seems like something that would be a problem with your board's chipset.09:26
cvd-prSun buy virtualbox?09:27
mzuverinkVorbote, Seems it both drives did work fine though if I remember properly until the removal of mythTV09:28
Vorbotepata drivers are not completely invented yet. For example, my desktop, with a Via chipset, was reverted to the old IDE drivers in the middle of hardy. Perhaps your's  need a fix like that (launchpad time).09:28
mzuverinkVorbote, THough I am not too sure, perhaps I shall reinstall, my chipset is fairly generic09:29
Vorbotemzuverink: can you test removing /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules and then running udevtrigger. The rules might be corrupt.09:29
mzuverinkVorbote, Ill try that, thanks09:30
Vorbotedelete 70-persistent-cd.rules as well09:31
cvd-prWhy  synaptic  also dont show the closed version of Virtualbox? only sow the openSource09:32
brynjolf " This release of the ATI Catalyst™ Linux driver introduces early look support for Ubuntu 8.04 which is also known as Hardy Heron. " anyone know what that means?09:32
Vorbotecvd-pr: because the closed version is not available for packaging.09:32
Vorboteand it is questionable even for the non-free version due to its licensing.09:33
Vorbotes/version/sectioni/09:33
Micrllhey guys, on a scale of 1-10 how stabe is the new RC looking?09:33
cvd-prthe closed has usb 2.0 etc...09:34
VorboteA 12 but it depends on your hardware.09:34
Vorbotecvd-pr: that's right. But you can always work around that by using, say, samba or NFS...09:35
Micrllhmmm09:35
Micrlldebating installing 7.1 or 8.04RC tommrow09:35
Micrllmy local university linux user group is having their install fest tommrow.  I am running windows xp on my computer, and my roomate and I just popped in a extra 80gb drive so I can dual boot on two drives.  This is not a "Mission critical" thing as long as I can still access my xp partition.09:36
VorboteMicrll: all I can say is that my laptop (a very recent Dell job) works better with Linux than with MS OSs).09:36
x1250brynjolf: could you provide a link for that quote?09:36
bullgard4"~$ sudo ddcprobe; vbe: VESA 2.0 detected. oem: ATI CABO. memory: 32704kb, ..., mode: 1024x768x256, 1024X768x32k, 1024x768x64k; edid: edidfail." What does ' edid: edidfail' mean?09:36
MicrllI would be installing on a ~2 year old compaq desktop09:36
calcMicrll: hardy will be released in under a week so there will be updates but it is mostly complete at this point09:36
VorboteMicrll: go for the RC, it'll stay at least six months in your box. :-)09:37
cvd-prhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/09:37
Micrllok then you CAN answer me this question, is it possible to update the RC to the full version09:37
x1250Micrll: yes, just aptitude full-upgrade09:37
calcMicrll: yea, you can update even 7.10 to hardy, its easy to do09:37
VorboteYes. An RC is shake down any uglies left before declaring it done.09:37
calcer upgrade 7.10 to hardy i meant to say09:37
cvd-prany difference between the live and the alternative?09:38
Micrllsounds good enough then, like I said this is not that mission critical09:38
Micrllits more of a toy for right now09:38
x1250cvd-pr: after installation has finished? nope09:38
* calc goes back to bed09:38
murlidhar hi all , i have a hardy alternate cd beta . now i want to use jigdo to update the image to release candidate. can u please help me since i don't know how to use jigdo09:39
VorboteMicrll: rather than a dist-upgrade grab an altenate CD and run the upgrade script in the root of it. It'll make sure to clean up the old cruft )or run update-manager -p -c -d)09:39
Micrllnow see that did not make a lot of sense09:39
MicrllI assume there will be a wiki article at some point on how to do this?09:39
Vorbotemurlidhar: My strategy: mount the image file with fuseiso somewhere (I use /tmp/iso)09:40
Micrllwell from what I have heard overall the new release is much better than 7.1 anyways09:40
cvd-prx1250,  what are you talking?09:40
murlidharVorbote, i have already burnt the iso to a cd and i have popped in the cd tray09:41
mattycozehey is there a list of stable programs that work in 8.40? or is it still a matter of trial and error?09:41
mattycoze*a current stable list09:41
bluefox83my system is setting itself up to upgrade to hardy :)09:41
murlidharVorbote, so it is mounted to my /media/cdrom009:41
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Micrllmattycoze, is there a lot of software that does not work?09:42
Vorbotemurlidhar: Then run jigdo-lite http://blah and make it read your /tmp/iso, then your /var/cache/apt/archives, then hit return to have it grab the rest from the net. If using a cd just pop it in and make jogdo read your /cdrom or /media/cdrom09:42
mattycozeMicr11 nah i wouldn't know hence why i'm intending to find this out09:42
Micrllah09:42
mattycozei imagine a fair few ppl have already tried out the previous instal and current pre-release already09:42
Micrlloh hey, also another question for you all (trying to learn the ropes here), I have a AMD64 cpu09:42
murlidharVorbote, how to make it read my /media/cdrom009:42
Micrlldo I want to get the 64 bit version or the 32 bit version09:43
Vorbotemurlidhar: just type it in in the script prompt.09:43
Vorboteand hit return09:43
mattycozethe release notes are awesome for 8.4009:43
* bluefox83 hopes his system doesn't crash and burn once hardy is installed, as both alsa and my wifi card drivers were compiled from scratch...09:43
mattycozegooge cal integration with evolution ftw!09:44
murlidharVorbote, i am complete noobie :P09:44
Micrllclose to noob here as well, though I have played with linux on and off on MUCH older hardware09:44
Micrlland such it has always well...sucked09:44
brynjolfx1250: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_84_linux.html09:44
bluefox83how's the support for atheros wifi cards?09:44
* Vorbote is. in fact, updating his beta images with jigdo at this very moment :-)09:44
Micrllthis is the first time feeding linux to my main machine09:44
Micrllso what you guys think 64 bit or 32 bit version09:45
Vorbotemurlidhar: we all were sometime, somewhere.09:45
MicrllI only have 1gb of ram in this machine09:45
bluefox83you might want to stick to 32 bit, there's still a bunch of problems with 64 bit compatibility that i'm sure hasn't been sorted09:45
Micrllok09:45
Micrllthats what I thought09:45
VorboteMicrll: for your first time, and with 1GB RAM, 32-bit would be more than enough.09:45
MicrllI did not see a real reson to go to 6409:46
Micrllok one more than I have to get off, my roomate is trying to go to sleep09:46
Micrll8600GT graphics card, how hard is it to get it working09:46
murlidharare ubuntu servers under heavy load09:47
Amaranthmurlidhar: probably09:47
Vorbotemurlidhar: yes, with the RC release and all.09:47
murlidhar jigdo-lite http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo09:47
MicrllI would assume09:47
MicrllI know I am hitting the server hard grabbing the images09:48
Amaranthuse a mirror09:48
* Micrll does not want to do bittorent at university09:48
AmaranthMicrll: just smush the server instead?09:48
Micrllgetting IRC working was already a problem, though I finally realized the simple solution09:48
murlidharis this command good ? i am upgrading my beta to rc09:49
murlidhar jigdo-lite http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo09:49
murlidharany mirrors for india?09:49
Amarantha lot of packages changed between beta and rc09:49
Micrllamaranth, yep a smahing good time is had by all09:49
murlidharAmaranth, no problem i want to learn to use jigdo09:50
Micrllso 8600GT, easy or hard to get working, or should it work by itself09:50
Amaranthseems in.releases.ubuntu.com is the same IP as releases.ubuntu.com09:50
AmaranthMicrll: should work fine without doing anything for 2D09:50
Vorbotemurlidhar: try in.archive.ubuntu.com09:50
AmaranthVorbote: read what i just said :P09:50
Micrllok and 3d?09:50
AmaranthMicrll: click a button or two09:51
Micrllsounds good09:51
VorboteAmaranth: I'm a bit distracted here :-P09:51
MicrllI am kind of excited, to get this running...09:51
MicrllI will then have a trifecta, XP, ubundu, and os x 10.509:52
Micrllmind you the mac is on its own laptop09:52
AmaranthYou have a Mac Pro?09:52
Micrllnah09:52
Amaranthoh09:52
MicrllI DO like the mac laptop, it works great09:52
murlidharResolving in.archieve.ubuntu.com... failed: Name or service not known.09:52
Micrllbut, I have been meaning to give linux a better chance09:53
Vorbotemurlidhar: archive09:53
murlidharoops09:53
bluefox83i saw the mac air, that thing looks so slim you might break it sitting a text book on it09:53
Micrlloh heck no, not the air09:53
murlidharHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found09:53
murlidhar14:23:38 ERROR 404: Not Found.09:53
Micrllthats for people like my dad who travels a lot and would never push it09:53
jaffarkelshac#ubuntu-bots09:53
murlidhar!test09:54
ubotuFailed.09:54
murlidharhmm09:54
MicrllI really just want a nice fast, simple boot for my main desktop here09:54
Vorbotejust wait for the end of the year. Intel announces that it will go in the SSD business. Well be running diskless machines next year I think.09:54
Micrllso I figured I would jump in, though I will be without this desktop for the summer09:54
MicrllI don't ship it back home :(09:54
murlidharMicrll, ubuntu boots faster than xp09:55
Micrllya, but I never turn this thing off half the time09:55
Micrll(because of said boot times_09:55
brynjolfmurlidhar: not for me :(09:55
Micrllthough firefox goes, num num num to my RAM09:55
Micrll60+ tabs, in firefox, running non stop for 5 days09:56
murlidharbrynjolf, probly u have to remove some uncessary services like bluetooth if don't use them ofcourse09:56
ttkeppiwhere did the marketting speach go? of ffox3 being much lighter than ffox209:56
DanaGmacbook air is lame; try Lenovo X300 instead.09:56
Micrlloh it probebly is lighter09:56
Micrllhaven't installed it yet09:56
DanaGOne USB Port == teh suck.09:56
murlidharfirefox 3 is lighter thn ffox209:57
Micrllrunning webkit on the mac though, and it FLYS09:57
Micrllplus it scrolls more smoothly09:57
Micrlloh and DanaG, yes it is the suck09:57
Micrllthats why I don't want one09:57
ttkeppii'm doing it wrong then. can't see much difference on surfing speed09:57
Micrllits probebly placebo09:58
DanaGLaptop I'm considering for next time: HP 8510p or 8510w.09:58
Micrllbut I have had a crazy amount of problems with firefox crashing and webkit is somehow infiantly more stable09:58
bluefox83i have a nice hp laptop :)09:58
Micrlland I only used like 3 extensions09:58
murlidharttkeppi, lol  surfing speed depends on your internet connection09:58
Micrllya university connection can FLY at times09:59
MicrllI can get up to 2mb/s down09:59
murlidharit is only how fast the browser reponses makes a browser faster09:59
ttkeppiadsl2+ 24/1M speeds :P ...so i can pretty comfortably say that it is not about having a slow line09:59
Micrllmurlidhar: right, and somesites (like facebook) really can tax a browser09:59
DanaGWhy the heck won't azureus open torrent files from Firefox?09:59
DanaGWTF?09:59
DanaGArgh!09:59
Micrlltrue09:59
Micrllah home I only get 200KB/s down10:00
VorboteIf using ubuntu one can use midori, which uses webkit as backend.10:00
Micrlloh cool10:00
MicrllI am trying to be neutral, I go with what works best for me10:00
Micrllright now webkit is best, though I want to try firefox 310:00
brynjolfepiphany in the futurue will also use webkit10:00
murlidharDanaG, go to firefox preferences>application>bittorrentseedfile10:01
Vorbotelooking forward to it.10:01
Micrllso hopefully by around 5pm tommrow this computer will be running 8.410:01
DanaGI set it to azureusl it doesn't work.10:01
DanaGI also double-click in gnome -- doesn't work.10:01
Micrllthough I can't give up xp, needs the games10:01
DanaGThe only thing that does work: dragging into Azureus window.10:01
Micrllany other bits of advice I should know for tommrow?10:02
VorboteDanaG: right click on a torrent. open properties and select the OpenWith tab there you can select your poison.10:03
DanaGI did that!10:03
kabadsmy wireless card just dropped - it has disappeared from the Network Manager. Are there any docs to troubleshoot?10:03
Vorbote(Same for firefox but in its own settings thingy)10:03
murlidharDanaG, i am noob but there are a quite few settings that i don't remember10:03
murlidharright now10:03
VorboteEdit->Preferences->Applications10:04
DanaGYup, did that too.10:04
ethana2firefox makes my music skip10:04
Micrllooo10:04
Micrllthats no good10:04
kindofabuzzanyone got a torrent link for the RC?10:04
ethana2my music is higher priority than firefox10:04
Micrllyou know10:04
MicrllI have had that happen on my windows box10:04
VorboteBittottent Seed File use other and select azureus in the filesystem10:04
Vorbotekindofabuzz: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/10:05
Micrllalright all, its getting late, I need to get SOME sleep so I can be awake to install hardy10:05
Micrllnow one last debate10:05
kindofabuzzVorbote, that's site is swamped, that's why i was wondering if anyone had a direct link to the i386 torrent10:05
Micrllubundu or kubuntu10:05
Vorbotehttp://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso.torrent10:05
DanaG[GUI] StartServer ERROR: unable to bind to 127.0.0.1:6880 listening for passed torrent info: Address already in use10:05
DanaGStartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process listening on [127.0.0.1: 6880]10:05
VorboteAn dkeep trying ...10:06
kindofabuzzthanks10:06
DanaGrunning 'azureus (filename of torrent file)'10:06
DanaGon console.10:06
Micrlloh actually10:06
Micrllhow hard is it to install KDE in ubuntu?10:06
Micrllif I want to try it?10:06
kindofabuzzVorbote, looks like that's gonna time out too =(10:06
brynjolfMicrll: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop10:06
brynjolfdone10:07
DanaGno10:07
DanaGuse aptitude10:07
DanaGit's better for doing metapackages!10:07
DanaGIf you install kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop through apt-get, it's a pain to remove.10:07
DanaGIf you use aptitude, it's extremely easy.10:07
Vorbotekindofabuzz: You are right, it is slow as molasses.10:07
kindofabuzzapt-get is just as good as aptitude, read it in some release note somewhere10:07
brynjolfDanaG: Ah, now I know that =) ty10:07
* Vorbote happy to be using jigdo.10:07
Micrllis the server really that hard hit10:08
Micrllits working fine from this end10:08
kindofabuzzjigbo is only good for comparing images10:08
kindofabuzzlike rc to final10:08
DanaGbo?  do?10:08
* TheImp is now testing rc1 native10:08
Vorboteyup, updating my beta images.10:08
MicrllI think that is all my questions10:09
Micrllyou guys have been great10:09
Vorbotekindofabuzz: I'll pass you along the torrent file.10:09
kindofabuzzoh ok, well i did the whole update thing but couldn't get wireless to work, so gonna install it on another partition and see what i can do10:09
DanaGargh10:09
DanaGapt updating is choking everything else on my system.10:09
kindofabuzzcool Vorbote10:09
DanaGOops, forgot I'd niced compiz +1.10:09
DanaGOOh, 58 updates.  Will deal with reading changelogs tomorrow.10:10
VorboteUp for grabs10:10
MicrllI should be back on now if I have more questions10:10
DanaGI don't install stuff without changelogs.  Handily, that keeps me one update cycle behind, so I can avoid major breakage.10:10
kindofabuzzi hit accept10:10
Vorboteyup10:10
kindofabuzzi'm saying i id10:10
kindofabuzzdid10:10
Micrllfinally got IRC working at my school10:11
VorboteOK so let's the net do its thing10:11
Micrllhorray for freenode having a alternate connection port10:11
Micrllapparently the normal IRC port is blocked10:11
kindofabuzzfor a 28kB file, the net is awfully slow lol10:11
bullgard4get-edid version 1.4.1 reports: "The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed. parse-edid: IO error reading EDID." How does Ubuntu Hardy determine the resolution of my laptop's LCD screen?10:12
VorboteAhh OK, I forgot to use the alternate port. I'll be back in a few secconds and we'll try again.10:12
kindofabuzzVorbote, are you on mirc? cause i heard mirc can't dcc with other clients10:12
Micrllthanks again! night all!10:12
* DanaG goes to bed now.10:12
kindofabuzzVorbote, ok10:13
VorboteNope Piding with all the plugins, It works OK.10:13
kindofabuzztry again10:13
kindofabuzzdoh10:13
balleyneJust upgraded to Hardy and I have an issue with Firefox. I'm pretty sure it has to do with some Automatix crap I had to clean up a while back; /usr/bin/firefox is linked to the wrong place (I manually edited that link before). Can someone tell me where it should be linked in a standard install?10:13
Vorbotelet's try again10:14
kindofabuzzkk10:14
VorboteThat was fast :-)10:14
kindofabuzzyeah10:14
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kindofabuzzwell 28kb ain't big10:14
kindofabuzzthanks Vorbote10:15
Vorbote8-)10:15
balleynei.e. can someone run `ls -l /usr/bin | grep firefox` on their system and show me the output?10:15
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kindofabuzzdamn where did i save it? lol10:16
thoreauputicballeyne: 3 lines as follows10:16
thoreauputiclrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         11 2008-04-17 05:06 firefox -> firefox-3.010:16
thoreauputiclrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         24 2008-04-10 10:43 firefox-2 -> ../lib/firefox/firefox-210:16
thoreauputiclrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root         31 2008-04-17 05:06 firefox-3.0 -> ../lib/firefox-3.0b5/firefox.sh10:16
balleynethoreauputic: thanks!10:16
thoreauputic:)10:16
daviscI installed hardy a few weeks ago. 2.6.24-12 will boot fine -15 and -16 hang at "found F71882FG chip at 0x290, revision 32". Is it fair to say that module is hanging the machine?10:17
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pvandewyngaerdeis there a Kubuntu with KDE 4.1svn  ?10:27
gregorypvandewyngaerde: opensuse is quite involved with kde. they have kde4 devels on the payroll10:29
pvandewyngaerdei am currently using Kde 4.110:30
yaccWhats the correct way to force a specific mac addr for a network device in Hardy?10:30
pvandewyngaerdeor at least  kde4 svn  4.00.7010:30
pvandewyngaerdeyacc:  have you tried these ?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66874510:33
scheurihi all10:36
Vorboteyacc: you can force a MAC id if using ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces (see man interfaces for the syntax).10:36
yaccpvandewyngaerde: hardy seems to be missing any network definitions in /etc/network/interfaces10:36
yaccVorbote: yeah, but my hardy install has a "mostly" empty interfaces file.10:36
Vorboteyacc: by default all interfaces are managed by network-manager in roaming mode.10:36
scheuriquestion: someone else also have the problem that networksettings (specifically DNS-Server) are not stored when entered in KNetworkManager? Whenever I reboot those DNS-Server settings are lost...10:37
scheurisorry, that is hardy that is10:37
Vorboteyacc: open the networking applet and tick off the roaming mode checkbox, that'll allow you to release the interface of network-manager's grip and you'll be able to configure it by hand.10:38
micha__has somebody problems to shut the box down ... screen turnes black but it doesn't shut down10:39
bullgard4"~$ xresprobe video; id: (empty); res: (empty); freq: (empty) disptype: lcd/lvds." How does Ubuntu determine the resolution of my laptop's LCD?10:40
micha__shutdown -hP now works fine ... only the gui shut down button doesn't ... someone know how to fix that10:41
bullgard4micha__: Please analyze your pm_utils log.10:41
micha__cat /var/log/??? bullgard410:42
Vorbotebullgard4: usually X probes the EDID records in the monitor using I2C.10:43
brynjolfmicha__: I have10:45
micha__brynjolf: you have what?10:45
brynjolfhttp://pastie.caboo.se/183411 <- what does X: client 4 rejected from local host (uid 0)10:46
brynjolfproblems with logging out10:46
brynjolfand ctrl alt backspace10:46
brynjolfmean?10:46
ethana2oooooh10:46
ethana2when colemak works properly, ctrl alt backspace will be one hand10:46
micha__yes i am doing that ... but i don't like it brynjolf10:46
ethana2that didn't occur to me before10:46
bullgard4Vorbote: What does Hardy do then in my laptop specifically where "~$ sudo get-edit | parse-edid; The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed. parse-edid: IO error reading EDID"?10:47
centyxhey... what's the default vnc daemon in hardy10:49
centyxi go to run vino-session and it isn't there10:49
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Vorbotebullgard4: That's weird. Never seen that one. What toyu do you have? (BTW, you'll have to set your monitor settings by hand, "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg" will help there).10:49
bluefox83i'm currently letting my system upgrade to hardy, i'm wondering if i am going to have issues with my atheros wifi card, and intel soundcard...anyone know if the hardward support for these is any better than feisty?10:49
micha__bullgard4: you know how to fix the shutdown problem ... i have no pm_utis log file10:49
bluefox83are there going to be any installation problems?10:49
scheuriquestion: someone else also have the problem that networksettings (specifically DNS-Server) are not stored when entered in KNetworkManager? Whenever I reboot those DNS-Server settings are lost...this is on hardy10:50
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centyxvinagre10:51
centyxthat's it10:51
yaccpvandewyngaerde: Ok, it somehow works, but I had to patch /etc/network/ifup.d scripts => do I file a bug now?10:51
micha__scheuri: put them in /etc/resolv.conf10:51
yaccpvandewyngaerde: the wireless prescript leaves the interface up, which breaks setting the mac address.10:52
scheurimicha__: that is what I thought...but that makes the whole thing a bug then...:)10:52
bullgard4Vorbote: "~$ ding toyu; No definitions found for "toyu", perhaps you mean: gcide:  Toy  Tolu; wn:  toy  tofu  tolu; jargon:  toy  tofu." Please explain.10:52
binarical-appcan someone tell me where i might find tweek knowers for my applications10:53
centyxhrm vinagre's not installed10:53
binarical-appspecificly hydrogen and Ardour10:53
Vorbotebullgard4: I meant toy. (My bad, I blame it on the keyboard, it is a new layout after years of using a different one.)10:54
bullgard4Vorbote: This is a Fujitsu-Siemens laptop computer 'Amilo7600' or 'CY26' (in other countries).10:55
binarical-appthe applications run .....scratchy, like they dont run smoothly .....any help anyone?10:55
centyxoh vinagre's the client10:56
centyxbleh10:56
centyxgar where'd vino-session go10:56
binarical-appi have 4 ghz of cpu so i doubt that its a hardware issue, is there some way to allocate more cpu to the process?10:57
Vorbotebullgard4: you may need a custom DSDT according to this post: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/amilo/message/101610:57
thoreauputicheh -  Error: Unknown timezone: lowerslobovi10:57
thoreauputicoops wrong terminal :)10:57
centyxah maybe vino-server now?10:58
jimatHi all. I just did server installation then installed xorg, xterm, firefox, ... etc. When I try to configure xserver: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it stops at a point with message: FATAL: Error inserting battery (bla bla): No such device. What does it mean and how can I fix it?11:00
centyxthat was it11:03
centyxand vinagre is nice11:03
* binarical-app sits back patiently 11:04
centyxfunny i sit in here talking to myself, answering my own questions11:04
binarical-appthats inteligence11:05
centyxbinarical-app: :P11:05
centyxbinarical-app: no, it's being slothful... asking in here first... and then when no one answers quickly, figuring it out like i would have done if i weren't so lazy to begin with11:06
bullgard4Vorbote: I insructed "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg" which led me through several dialogs. Will the result of this only become effective after I have done Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?11:08
bullgard4instructed11:08
bardyr!info mysql-server11:08
ubotumysql-server (source: mysql-dfsg-5.0): MySQL database server (meta package depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 52 kB, installed size 88 kB11:08
bardyrwill mysql 5.1 be included in hardy?11:08
jimatNever mind, it is reported as bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/15459211:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 154592 in ubuntu "[Xubuntu Gutsy] Error inserting battery on desktop pc" [Undecided,New]11:09
Ronaldbardyr: nope11:09
bardyrRonald, thats really sad :/11:10
Ronaldthey're like release candidate :)11:10
bardyrRonald, not even in 8.04.1?11:10
Ronaldnope11:10
bullgard4Vorbote: I considered the DSDT problem before. That is, when I run Gutsy. In Gutsy Ubuntu was able to determine the proper screen resolution and display letters in a GNOME terminal crisp.11:10
Ronaldthey don't upgrade within a release11:10
Ronaldespecially not something as significant as mysql11:10
Vorbotebullgard4: very strange. I do suspect it is a BIOS problem.11:12
Ronaldi do expect it to be available from a -backports tree thhough11:12
bullgard4Vorbote: I presume that it cannot be a BIOS problem alone. I do not think that my upgrade has changed my BIOS. In Gutsy the GNOME terminal displayed letters crisp, in Hardy the GNOME terminal displays them blurred.11:14
Vorbotebullgard4: Ahh That's a different kettle of fish. In Hardy, afaik, freetype has enable subpixel dithering (a.k.a. "cleartype" functionality). Check your font appeareance settings.}11:16
lumm_are there any known issues with virtualbox?11:17
nazgulOn startup I see the splash screen a few seconds but always followed by a switch to the statup text messasges. Is that on purpose? I came the way gutsy->hardy about 4 weeks ago11:17
nazgulDo you see this, too?11:18
Vorbotenazgul: perhaps you have some cruft left behind in the startup scripts...? Run "update-manager -p -d -c" to be sure.11:18
nazgulVorbote: thanks I tried that but it is up-to-date11:19
bullgard4Vorbote: Do you refer to GNOME System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts (?) > Script rendering (?) > [Black-White, Best Form, Best contrast, Smooting using subpixels]?11:20
Vorbotenazgul: Hmm.... Try moving all the *-persistent-* files in /etc/udev/rules.d out of the way and running udevtrigger afterwards.11:21
Vorbotebullgard4: yes11:21
nazgulVorbote: thanks did that will reboot now for testing11:25
Vorbotecross my fingers.11:26
VolkodavI just installed a release and none of my other partitons were mounted - I had to manually add all of them in fstab11:27
bullgard4Vorbote: No, it is not a matter of this. My Ubuntu is set to 'Black-White'. It has been set to Black-White in Gutsy too. (And in Gutsy no letters were displayed blurry.) In addition, Epiphany in Hardy displays letters such that I get the impression it uses a wrong screen resolution: not blurred but in a way 'displaced'.11:27
friedtreesomeone mentioned a fix for the firefox crashing on playing flash problems a day or two ago.  it was referenced to a launchpad url with a i386 binary to install.  i used this fix that ubotu suggested and it killed sound system wide, removed it, sound now only works in system but not in flash videos any ideas ?11:27
Volkodavanybody else with similar issue?11:27
Vorbotebullgard4: that's very strange. It seems like a problem with the X video driver.11:28
friedtreei'd like to restore sound to my system.  i am not concerned about firefox crashing.  i'm sure that will get fixed eventually.11:28
bullgard4Vorbote: The X video driver is 'vesa'.11:29
Vorbotebullgard4: Aha! That's the problem. You'll want the nv driver or the propietary one if using an Nvidia card.11:29
Vorbotebullgard4: the vesa driver always gives you that blurred look.11:30
VorboteMake that the propietary driver if you want 3d effects. BTW, an updated DSDT will help with detecting the right video chipset.11:31
bullgard4Vorbote: So I will consider changing the X video driver. But 'vesa' has not produced a blurred look in Gutsy  > Black-White setting.11:31
VorboteHmm... That'll be because of the subpixel rendering changes in freetype.11:32
bullgard4Vorbote: Thank you for all your comments. I appreciate them.11:33
Vorbote:-)11:33
friedtreebullgard4, if you are using a nvidia card you want to be using 'nv' driver.  you can install restricted nvidia drivers through administration->hardware drivers11:34
bullgard4friedtree: "~$ lspci; VGA compatible controller: ATI Technoligies Inc Radeon Mobility U1"11:36
friedtreebullgard then you'd need ati'd driver and not vesa.  i'm not sure which one that is for that model but i'm guessing google would tell you11:36
bbernieanyone here have any success with the juniper networks vpn client in hardy11:37
a_l_ehello. is there a (good) way to edit the xorg configuration in ubuntu? ... gnome is correctly configured, but i can't find out which settings it is using.11:37
a_l_e... it's about configuring the graphic card.11:38
Volkodavxrandr11:38
bbernieI had it working fine in 7.10, but in 8.04 they took away one of the shared libraries11:38
a_l_e... some more information (and the steps i've already done) are referenced here: http://www.ideale.ch/computer/man/minipc.html11:38
bbernie./ncsvc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory11:38
WelshDragonHelloooo. I've got a problem when logging in. I get two error messages referring to bonobo-activation and then nothing loads after that. The only way i can login to the system is by using Failsafe Gnome. Is it a common problem and if so how do you fix? Don't actually have the exact error message though :(11:39
bbernieapt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3; yeilds no results11:39
tuntunhow can I drag a selection rectangle in nuatilus?11:40
bbernietuntun: left click and drag11:40
a_l_eis this http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/ already ported to hardy? how can i install/run it?11:40
tuntunbbernie, that only drags individual items, not a net though11:41
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tuntunbbernie, that only drags individual items, not a net though11:44
nazgul77Vorbote: that was no good idea. PPPoE is broken now. I also cannot mount volumes without root permissions now :(11:44
Vorbotenazgul77: can you restore the old files?11:45
bbernietuntun: I guess I dont understand what you are asking, I am able to select multiple files and then drag them once they are selected11:45
binarical-apphow can i manually edit ardour to use my fast track firewire sound card as input11:46
binarical-app*jack11:46
nazgul77Vorbote: no I did not backup. they seemed to be old cruft to me. I removed only the *-persistent* files11:46
binarical-appwhere is jacks "preferances" or controlls11:46
VorboteYup those are cruft and regenerated by udev if not found.11:47
nazgul77Vorbote: besides I can still see all boot messages beginning with "reading files needed to boot"11:48
nazgul77whatever11:48
friedtreeanyone use the fix possible flash firefox crashes fit that ubotu suggested a day or two ago ?  it caused me to lose sound system wide, removed it, sound is back except in flash videos.  not sure how to fix11:48
tuntunbbernie, I can drag multiple selected items also, its the selecting part that is causing problems, I cant drag a net around the items I want to select.11:48
Vorbotebut... I made a mistake... the 60-* files are part of udev config (I didn't remember that, sorry). Do a "aptitude reinstall udev" to fix it11:48
nazgul77friedtree: this is what you have to live with as far as I know.11:48
nazgul77friedtree: I removed the flashsupport package and it works fine for me11:49
nazgul77Vorbote: already did that.11:49
nazgul77Vorbote: there is only one 60-* file 60-symlinks.rules now.11:50
friedtreenazgul77, very strange.  i removed the .deb that was referenced on launchpad.net and it restored sound to my system but not to flash videos.  i'm stumped.  i'd hate to reinstall because of this11:50
nazgul77friedtree: can you point us to that launchpad page?11:50
friedtreeits not in my history any more11:50
Vorbotenazgul77: then rename the rules.d directory and reinstall.11:50
nazgul77Vorbote: that only restores  70-persistent-cd.rules  70-persistent-net.rules  . weired.11:53
yaccHmmm, the wireless prescript leaves the interface up, which breaks setting the mac address.11:54
Vorbotedidn't recreate the dir? Then copy the udev deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, open it with file-roller, extract the rules.d directory and copy over all the config files.11:55
Sharpiehow can i know if my gfx card is supported?11:58
bardyrSharpie, what is your card?11:58
Sharpiegeforce 8600GT11:58
bardyrit's supported by nvidi-glx-new11:58
Sharpiewell then, i have a bug11:58
darthanubis!hardware | Sharpie11:59
ubotuSharpie: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection11:59
Sharpiewhen i install it and restart i get a minimal-graphics-mode screen or something where i'm asked to configure my card and screen11:59
nazgul77Vorbote: it did recreate rules.d but only put two files in it. ok Ill copy from the deb then11:59
bardyrSharpie, is your system fully updated?12:01
Sharpiebardyr: yes, it's not a clean install btw, upgraded from gutsy12:01
Vorbotenazgul77: I'm thinking that the problem could be fragmentation. Unfortunately ext2 and ext3 can't do defragmentation safely. If you can boot from a live/rescue cd (RIP Linux is my fav) you can run fsck with the -D option to optimize directories. That'll speed up things a bit.12:01
darthanubiscan't be both clean and upgraded12:01
hyperairhi. has anyone managed to get totem to use text subtitles?12:02
hyperairsay .srt12:02
VorboteUntil we move to ext4 with online defragmentation. Perhaps by 8.10...12:02
Sharpiebardyr: i just installed the latest batch of updates but am afraid to try installing the drivers again (takes me about 2-3 restarts to get ubuntu working again)12:02
hyperairext4? O_o12:02
nazgul77Vorbote: intresting I thought ext3 defragments 'automatically' when possible, i.e. enough disk space and (re)writing files.12:04
topylifragmentation is not a problem12:04
bardyrSharpie, sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh ; sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new --purge ; sudo nvidia-xconfig12:04
darthanubisext3 bleh12:04
topylithat's why we never defragment12:04
hyperairwhat's wrong with ext3?12:05
bardyrSharpie, then just restart X12:05
hyperairdoesn't it auto-defrag?12:05
hyperair=\12:05
topylihyperair: no, we don't do defrag12:05
Vorbotenazgul77: it does optimize allocations on disk, all decent filesystems do (that writes off fatN and ntfs by the way) but it still gets fragmented with time particularly if you write and delete lots of small files.12:05
topyliVorbote: yes it gets fragmented but that is not a problem, which is why we don't "fix" it by defragging12:06
Vorbotetopyli: go tell that to the ext developers.12:06
VorboteAnd the ZFS and the XFS...12:06
topyliVorbote: huh? since when did it become a problem? you're making this up :)12:07
telexiconthis is rather unfortunate12:08
telexiconso after hardy is released12:08
Vorbotetopyli: it's been a problem since the stone age. I'll concede I wasn't around in the Paleolithic, but in the Bronze Age (mid 80's) we would solve the issue by dumping and restoring :-)12:08
telexiconwill there still be updates and bug fixes (other than security updates) ?12:08
telexiconfor example, will firefox 3 be updated to final when that is released?12:08
askandbug 25931 is not fixed but it says fix released, should I file a new bugreport about that or use the same?12:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 25931 in dbus "Failed to initalize HAL." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2593112:09
bardyrtelexicon, yes12:09
darthanubistelexicon, of course12:09
VorboteIt is still the way you fix it in big iron and the BSDs12:09
IdanHey All... Will Hardy be released with FF3 Beta 5 as default browser?12:09
bardyrIdan, yes12:09
orvokkiSeems so.12:09
IdanIsn't that wrong ?12:09
tuntunHi. I have a second partition that I mount only every so-often. When I browse through a folder with mixed contents, the 'Type' column only changes to the correct type when I highlight a file. This means that before I can sort by the type column I must first highlight over every file by holding the down arrow. This doesn't seem right. In addition, when I leave the folder and return the 'Type' column data has not been retained. What Is causing this problem?12:10
tuntun I made a post about it at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4745733#post474573312:10
VorboteIdan: unless Mozilla manages to put out the RC this weekend I'd think12:10
nazgul77Idan: certainly since there is no final FF312:10
bardyrIdan, it will be updated when FF 3 is released12:10
orvokkiIdan: Would postponing Hardy release until July be more right?12:10
telexiconorvokki, possibly yes12:10
Idanorvokki, Hell no (!)12:10
VorboteAbsolutely, and you can count on having firefox3 updated with each security release for the next three years.12:10
telexiconor12:10
telexiconhaving a second release12:10
IdanI thought that both versions should be installed.12:10
Idanor atlease 8.04.1 like 6.06 had12:11
Vorbote8.04.1 is already in the schedule.12:11
telexiconaha12:11
IdanVerbote, yeah, tentative12:11
telexiconi hadnt heard about that12:11
IdanWill FF3 final be distrubuted via regular repos or backports?12:11
Greeneryi can't upgrade my Kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 RC using the adept, i used the command but version upgrade didn't show up12:12
Vorboteubuntu-updates most probably.12:12
bardyrIdan, regular, it will probably be in 8.04.112:12
IdanIf we all look back to 5.04 and 5.10, the FF version never changed. only patched with an internal ubuntu version.12:12
orvokkiHmm, does my system know if it's beta or RC and if it does, how do I ask it?12:12
VorboteGreenery: can you use update-manager-core? Use it with the flags "-p -d -c"12:13
Vorboteorvokki: "cat /etc/lsb-release"12:13
VorboteIf it says 8.04 and your system is fully patched you are using the RC12:13
orvokkiIt does.12:13
GreeneryVorbote: how do i do that?12:13
topyliorvokki: it doesn't know whether it's alpha 1 or the RC. you know that it's the rc if it's up to date :)12:14
telexiconwebdev toolbar supports firefox 3 now!12:14
IdanI really hope that the use of Beta5 won't cause extension hell for all users, as those who are upgrading from 7.10 will have to disable some extensions.12:14
VorboteGreenery: open a Konsole, type "sudo -i" then "update-manager-core -p -d -c" That'll should work.12:14
orvokkitelexicon: Awww. :/ Well, that's a piece of information you can only know by knowing your favourite mirror is up to sync... *sigh*12:14
orvokkitopyli even12:14
topyliorvokki: why do you even care?12:15
askand bug 25931 is not fixed but it says fix released, should I file a new bugreport about that or use the same?12:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 25931 in dbus "Failed to initalize HAL." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2593112:15
orvokkiHar.12:15
GreeneryVorbote: update-manager-core is not found12:15
VorboteIdan: That's a problem with extension writers. Most are waiting for the final release, but there is an extension to fix the firefox max version (I can't recall its name off-hand)12:16
orvokki"This bug has 26 duplicates " XD12:16
IdanVorbote MRTech Local Install12:16
IdanVorbote: the first extension I always install.12:16
bluefox83i'm watching my system upgrade to hardy >.>12:17
VorboteGreenery: OK the name changed.... The command is do-release-upgrade now12:17
telexiconfirebug beta supports firefox 3 now12:17
telexicongood12:17
telexiconjava finally got that xcb bug fixed12:18
GreeneryVorbote: instead of --dist-upgrade-proposed?12:18
VorboteGreenery: the deb package is still called upgrade-manager-core. And yes, don't do a dist-upgrade it won't cover all the changes needed.12:18
Sharpiesame story, started in low-graphics mode and had to boot in recovery mode to remove the nvidia drivers12:18
bluefox83oh shitmonkeys12:19
bluefox83i'm gonna have to remove the nvidia drivers aren't i?12:19
larahello, i am trying to install hardy on a powerpc, I can't get the live cd to start, the only way i managed to get it to boot, is to set the yaboot12:21
laraoption live-powerpc-nosplash12:21
larabut that drops me into a shell12:21
laraand i don't know what command to run to start installtion12:21
Sharpienobody knows what to do? i don't wanna have to do a clean install :/12:22
laraubiquity doesnt run, because x doesn't exist12:22
larawhat is the text only alternative to ubiquity??12:22
Greyhound-will ubuntu and kubuntu 8.04 be released on the same date?12:22
GreeneryVorbote: i did do-release-upgrade, it said no new release found12:23
bluefox83i am really hoping this upgrade doesn't totally fubar my system...12:27
bluefox83i finally got stuff the way i want it :P12:27
VorboteGreenery: what does /etc/lsb-release say?12:28
GreeneryVorbote: ubuntu 7.1012:30
VorboteGreenery: Hmm... I think you'll need to enable gutsy-proposed and install the update-manager-core deb there.12:31
murlidharthe only thing that ubuntu irks me is upgrading .   i hope this time it upgrades smoothely and don't have to fresh install hardy12:31
Greyhound-just wait another 5 days for the stable release and then you can update normally12:31
Dr_willisI always do clean installs... :P12:32
murlidharrc is as almost as stable . ain't it12:32
VorboteThat's correct. The updated update-manager files will show up as a regular update by then.12:32
murlidharDr_willis, clean installs are not my thingy12:32
murlidhari don't want to reconfigure everything12:33
murlidhar don't want to reinstall java flash codecs and all that12:33
Jaymachmm, since the last update (I think) none of my music plays12:33
Greyhound-(14:32:16) (murlidhar) rc is as almost as stable . ain't it12:33
Dr_willisHmm installing the extra stuff like that takes me about 10 min. since i wrote a script. :)12:33
Jaymacit goes through all the motions, but will not actually play, and no time elapses.12:34
Dr_willisas for the configs.. I keep backups of what configs i change.12:34
murlidharGreyhound-, so ?12:34
Greyhound-so that's why it's a release candidate and not a final release12:34
murlidhari don't have time to spend on tweaking my os12:35
murlidharthat's why i prefer upgrading rather than fresh install12:35
* murlidhar prays god for this smooth upgrading of os12:36
murlidharfeisty to gutsy was nighmare . broke sound and resolution12:37
murlidharhad to fresh install :(12:38
Dr_willisNow you know why i normally just do fresh installs.12:38
Dr_willisI cant even begin to imaginehow they test the upgrade process  to insure it works properly.12:39
Dr_willisIm suprised it works as well as it does.12:39
bluefox83i am going to be pissed if i have to do a fresh install...but i don't think i will12:39
murlidharyeah i know . if ubuntu has to come in terms of usability to the masses then it has to consider for smooth upgrades12:39
Dr_willisgiven the disaster ive seen with windows 'upgrades' :) ubuntu does very well.12:41
* maney chuckles. compared to Windows upgrades, Debian has been a miracle for over a decade12:41
murlidharmaney, to get into the market don't u think ubuntu has to outperform specially when OS market is saturated with windows and osx12:43
maneyspeaking of upgrades, I have a couple machines that are still running Dapper, and I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that there's an upgrade path other than the four-step shuffle.12:43
ethana2If Shuttleworth was like a certain Jerry Yang12:44
maney"market" success is a whole different furball, and if technical superiority controlled Windows would have been forgotten shortly after OS/2 Warp was released.  IMHO.12:44
Greeneryseems like "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" worked instead of --dist-upgrade-proposed12:44
ethana2really though, we are going to open a can of whoop -------- on Microsoft and Apple12:44
ethana2maney: WINE12:45
ethana2..when we can run windows apps12:45
ethana2people will flock to us12:46
ethana2even before then really12:46
ethana2wine provides hope for the future12:46
maneyWINE helps those who have already decided to escape from Vista :-)12:46
ethana2yup12:46
ethana2I've got like 5 or 6 pre converts waiting for Hardy12:46
Dr_willisI dont really care if people 'flock' to us or not.12:47
ethana2The next month will be amazing12:47
Dr_willis:)12:47
ethana2Creative and Lexmark do12:47
murlidharvista !!!!!!!!!   i didn't have drivers for my monitor that supported12:47
ethana2...and that is why I do12:47
Dr_willisi find people 'flocking' to linux for often the totally wrong reasons.. and then they get all mad when they realize its not windows...12:47
ethana2my people realize that you have to be different to be better12:47
ethana2i advise them to change no settings until they've used it for a month12:48
linxehif they dont have sudo access there isnt much they can do that isnt easily fixed12:48
Dr_willisI just let the windows users at work watch me.. as i fix their systems, recover their lost vacation pictures, and scan for viruses, on their machihjes.. from my linux live cds :)12:48
ethana2I just want choices, Dell is a start12:48
maneySo anyway... is this do-release-upgrade thing usable for "desktop" machines or not?  I see what looks like a showstopper bug, but I'm accustomed to upgrading machines over ssh rather than by wandering around, so I'd hope that gets (has been?) fixed...12:48
ethana2Dr_willis: nice12:49
Dr_willisMade $20 the other day for rescueing a cd full of vacation/baby pics. :P12:49
|DuReX|whats a good winamp clone in Ubuntu ?12:49
ethana2*sigh*12:49
Dr_willis|DuReX|,  i tend to use bmpx for my media playback needs12:49
murlidharand if we support upgrades as smooth as knife on a butter then ppl will flock to ubuntu12:49
linxehmaney: I upgraded a feisty -> gutsy -> hardy server with X/Gnome on the other day over SSH with no issues12:50
ethana2we already compress them12:50
thoreauputic|DuReX|: audacious probably12:50
Dr_willisxmms is a winamp clone. but its out of date. and i dont suggest using it any more.12:50
bluefox83just wanted everyone to know i just did an upgrade to hardy on an HP dv5000 laptop and it went flawlessly :D12:50
ethana2binary patches and p2p are next12:50
thoreauputicDr_willis: that's why I suggested audacious :)12:50
rskDr_willis: isn't out of date12:50
murlidhari find exaile better in gnome desktop12:50
thoreauputicaudacious is an updated xmms basically12:50
Vorbotemaney: sure it is. As it is a cli affair, it works in server too. The OP runs Kubuntu and I'm not sure the default install has update-manager, I think not. There should be an option with adept but I'm not aware of any (haven't used KDE in any form in a long while).12:50
Dr_willisthat xmms2 is going a very.. odd route.12:50
rskxmms is updated regually12:50
maneylinxeh: servers, one step at a time, sure.  not relevant, though :-/12:51
rskjust chek the cvs tree12:51
rskand there was a pretty recent release12:51
Dr_willisrsk,  it dosent seem like it.. but i dont mess with it any more. since there are alternatives now.12:51
Dr_willis!info xmms12:51
rskchek for yourself12:51
ubotuPackage xmms does not exist in hardy12:51
rsk:)12:51
* Dr_willis pokes the bot.12:51
thoreauputicrsk: still uses gtk 1.2 though, right? People like "pretty"12:51
rskyes it uses gtk112:51
maneymaybe y'all haven't seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/15116912:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151169 in update-manager-core "do-release-upgrade to gutsy disables eth0" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:51
Dr_willislast i messed with xmms - had issues with it crashing the whole desktop. i forget why.12:51
thoreauputicrsk: nothing wrong with gtk 1, but people think it looks too retro12:51
linxehmaney: why? its *exactly* the same. its an install of ubuntu with X/Gnome on it, with ssh. whats the difference between that and a "desktop"12:52
Vorbotexmms was dropped from Sid a while ago therefore from universe as well. Use beep or audacious instead.12:52
murlidharbanshee music player12:52
thoreauputicrsk: audacious seems to fill the gap though12:52
maneyyeyes, d-r-u works for servers - that's what it was designed for.  apparently there's something in the usual *desktop* setup (in Dapper) that makes it not work12:52
VorboteThe reasons where unfixed security bugs.12:52
rskthoreauputic: it really dosen't it's crap compared to xmms12:52
|DuReX|thoreauputic: audacious looks ok :)12:52
Vorbotemaney: then use the updated update-manager should be in dapper-proposed I think.12:53
thoreauputicVorbote: beep seems to have gone for the "big window with lots of bells and whistles" style though12:53
thoreauputicVorbote: bmp or whatevr it is now12:53
maneyVorbote: the point is to avoid running around and hand-holding each box in person12:53
thoreauputic|DuReX|: yes, audacious is quite nice12:53
thoreauputicrsk: I was't criticising xmms. I know it's a mature app with lots of options.12:54
Dr_willisi wonder which of these players have decent shoutcast/icecast streaming browsing of the available channels.12:54
VorboteAhh OK. ;-) I stick with Rhythmbox or foobar2k under wine for the rare APE things... So I'm not particularly savvy on audio playas12:54
thoreauputicDr_willis: you want streamtuner12:54
thoreauputicDr_willis: works well with either xmms or audacious12:55
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  ive been toying with 'tunapie' lately.. it tends to crash... a lot. :)12:55
|DuReX|prolly will just need to replace my VGA card12:55
|DuReX|stopid ATI shit drivers :)12:55
murlidharcan i continue my downloads from jigdo12:55
bluefox83ok, i don't remember...where do i go to reset the lighting in hardy?12:55
bluefox83my laptop is a bit dark for my tastes >.>12:55
thoreauputicDr_willis: have you tried streamtuner with audacious ? I like it. You can also rip streams from it if you install streamripper12:56
VorboteI've been toying with the idea of finding a SiS-based vid card but I'm not sure abour 3-D effects. That seems to be an ATI/Nvidia/Intel affair.12:56
murlidharit has to download 566 packages outta 1470 or so packages12:56
murlidhari am saving a lot of bandwidth i guess12:57
nosrednaekimSis is strictly 2d only12:57
Dr_willisbeen using kstreamripper for a few things.. but havent found a decent browser for the shoutcast streams other then tunapie. Checking out your suggestions now12:57
bluefox83hello? change brightness settings, anyone?12:57
Vorbotebluefox83: there is a brightness applet you can add to a GNOME panel12:57
bluefox83ah, ok, thanks12:57
linxehSis is strictly something else too12:57
thoreauputicDr_willis: stemtuner has a shoutcast plugin - shoutcast appears in a tab - you can do searches etc.12:57
thoreauputicDr_willis: it has other plugins as well - included in the base version - like xiph and google and a few others. Also your local collection.12:58
bluefox83ok..well12:59
bluefox83i'm off to the land of nod >.>12:59
murlidharwhat is frequency scaling and why is it used?12:59
Vorbotelinxeh: yes, nice chipsets though. I used to have a whitebox I built myself with one of those cheap PC-Chips boards and the video wasn't bad at all (and the sound had midi, yay!)12:59
thoreauputicumm s/stemtuner/streamtuner of course12:59
Dr_willishah audacious has a plugin for my G15 keyboard lcd.. cool. :) first linux app ive seen that did that.12:59
bluefox83just want to tell the folks that worked on hardy, they did a standup job12:59
murlidharbluefox83, cya bye12:59
Vorbotemurlidhar: Most CPUs can change clock speed to save energy. That's the frequency scaling thingy.13:00
simpson-fanhi13:00
murlidharVorbote, u mean recend cpus13:01
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  Hmm.. streamtuner is defaulting to 'xmms' for its default app for many things.. since xmms is not in the repos any more.. could you consider this a bug?13:01
simpson-fanfinally the window titlebar bug in the humantheme was fixed ;-)13:01
murlidharmy cpu doesn't support it13:01
murlidhar that what applet from my panel says13:01
thoreauputicDr_willis: probably yes - you can change it in prefs of course13:01
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  trying to change it.. well looking at least where to change it..13:02
thoreauputicDr_willis: but yeah, looks like a bug to me :)13:02
Vorbotemurlidhar: well... Anything after a P4 second gen and athlon-xps13:02
jandemhi, when i am downloading a big file (iso for example) it's almost impossible to browse with firefox13:02
jandemis it only me?13:02
murlidharoh i have p4 1.5 from 200313:02
thoreauputicDr_willis: Edit - Preferences -applications13:02
VorboteIf no hyperthreading probably not.13:03
Dr_willisThats showing them.. but not leting me actually change them .13:03
thoreauputicDr_willis: click the filed and insert audacious %q13:03
thoreauputic*field13:03
thoreauputicDr_willis: double click to edit13:03
Dr_willisahh.,., that dident LOOK like a clickable area. I was clicking to the left of the field13:03
Dr_willissounds like another BUG report to me! :P13:04
thoreauputicDr_willis: heh :)13:04
nosrednaekimjandem: do DO realise what downloading does to your bandwidth?13:04
thoreauputicDr_willis: agreed that it isn't obvious13:04
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  and i cant seem to select/cut/paste from an earlier entry to the others either.13:04
Dr_willisthat bit of the gui needs some work badly13:04
thoreauputicDr_willis: sensible-browser doesn't exist on Ubuntu either :)13:05
Dr_willisaudacious %q13:05
jandemnosrednaekim: yes i do, but shouldn't i be able to continue browsing (maybe a bit slower) while downloading?13:05
thoreauputicDr_willis: umm -  do you mena "preselections" ?13:05
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  it does here i think - since i isntalled some extra debian compatiable packages..13:05
thoreauputicDr_willis: hmm OK13:05
Dr_williscant even right click to 'copy' so i can paste to the other areas to replace xmms. :) i would be faster if i just makde a link from /bin/xmms to /bin/audacious :)13:06
nosrednaekimjandem: that would depend.13:06
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  when you double chick to   change the text. it auto selectes it.. so that clear out my text selection heh heh.. how annoying13:06
thoreauputicDr_willis: the Debian Way would be dpkg-divert I suppose :) A synlink seems like overkill though - just type it in!13:06
Dr_willis4 times.. :013:07
thoreauputicDr_willis: happy bug reporting - it' sin Universe so I doubt that it will be fixed for hardy - maybe backports?13:07
jandemnosrednaekim, maybe it's because of my proxy, but i have to pause the download when i want to browse to another website,13:08
Dr_willisThere we go.. select the text.. delete it.. then WHEN i select the blank it dosent clear the buffer.13:08
Dr_willisIts the little things that annoy you so badly. heh13:08
thoreauputicDr_willis: only once - once you have it set streamtuner is great13:08
thoreauputicDr_willis: but your points still stnad of course :)13:09
thoreauputic*stand13:09
Dr_willisI was thinking about the other users that may want to use it.13:09
thoreauputicright13:09
Dr_willison the same system. But oh well..  i see a lot of rough edges in many of the less commonly used packages13:09
Dr_willisTime to Jam to some Kenny G.13:09
HewusI've read that with GVFS, we are now able to restore files from the garbage bin. I've deleted a file to test it, but can't find any restore option. Anyone know where this option is?13:10
thoreauputicDr_willis: don't forget streamripper - one click from streamtuner to rip streams13:10
Dr_willisive been using kstreamripper on and off. to get some shows from shoutcast tv. :) but i have a hard time finding anything worth ripping.13:11
thoreauputicDr_willis: ah, separate issue :)13:11
Dr_willisYea. Id like to find more shoutcast tv type streaming sites.. but cant seem to find any.13:12
LynoureHewus: it has not been possible before? Isn't that the very idea of garbage bins?13:12
LynoureHewus: if you delete stuff from command line, I don't think it ends in the garbage bin at all13:13
Lynoure(but, I'm not on Gnome)13:13
thoreauputicDr_willis: there was an app called "democracy" - it changed name and I can't remember the new one13:13
Dr_willisIve seen some 'rm' to trash  variants also.13:13
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  miro :)13:13
thoreauputicDr_willis: ah yes, thanks :)13:13
Dr_willisthoreauputic,  it seems to only find these little 4 min or so video webcasts. which are nice.. but not what i wanted.13:14
LynoureDr_willis: I guess it would be easy at least to alias rm to a transbinning alternative13:14
LynoureDr_willis: what do you want?13:14
Dr_willisLynoure,  but then how to actually remove stuff from the trash. :)13:14
* Lynoure has too much stuff on Miro, <3 TED13:14
Dr_willisLynoure,  been trying to track down a site that works basicially like shoutcast tv. with  shows/movies and so forth for the wife to watch.13:15
LynoureDr_willis: Oh, I don't know anything at all about shoutcast13:15
drbobbhello. should i expect trouble w/wifi if i upgrade to the hardy beta?13:15
HewusLynoure: It's in the garbage bin. I can manually copy stuff back, but Windows had a "restore" option as it remembered where the item originally came from. I read that GVFS allowed the use of this option now, that's all13:15
Dr_willisI will admit that the various tv sites, and so forth have been putting more and more 'legal' videos on their sites for her to watch.13:15
thoreauputicDr_willis: the alias need not have "rm -f" I suppose - to empty the diverted trash you could add -f13:15
LynoureHewus: weird if Gnome would not.. KDE certainly does13:15
Dr_willisbut she wants to just sit back and watch some streams so often.13:15
drbobb(btw if `rm' is an alias, `\rm' will call the real rm)13:16
HewusLynoure: KDE has a "restore" option; eg. from right clicking on the file in the bin?13:16
* Dr_willis goes off to find some classical 'techo' remix radio stations.13:16
LynoureDr_willis: What kind of shows/videos?13:16
thoreauputicdrbobb: nice13:16
Dr_willisLynoure,  things women like. :) Lifetime movies, chick-flicks , things guys hate..but you go watch any way with the GF. to make her happy.13:17
LynoureHewus: I'll have to delete something in order to see how one gets it, but somewhere there, yes13:17
AmaranthHewus: gvfs sets up the infrastructure so such a feature can be implemented in nautilus but it is still quite a bit of work to implement in nautilus13:17
goodhabitHello. How can I setup sound mixing @ hardy? Since update from gutsy it was gone.13:17
jblackspeaking of tv...13:17
HewusAmaranth: ah ic, so there is no actual function there for now. Thanks for clearing that up.13:17
drbobbwell? how about sharing some experiences about hardy vs wireless13:17
LynoureDr_willis: I like TED, What you ought to know, and BoingBoing...13:18
AmaranthHewus: I don't know why the hardy release announcements mentioned it as if we had it now13:18
AmaranthEven when you understand that they mean we can get it later it wouldn't be in hardy so it is worthless to mention13:18
nomasteryodai replaced my network-manager on hardy... and gutsy before that with wicd ... seems better13:18
nomasteryodafor wireless and wired13:19
nomasteryodajmho, or ymmv13:19
Dr_willisI wonder if theres a 'dr demento' web radio station somewhere... :)13:19
Amaranthwicd doesn't work with compiz :)13:19
LynoureDr_willis: She might like Threadbanger on Miro, DIY craft stuff, that13:20
Vorbotedrbobb: wireless works fine with my radio (an intel 3945) as long as the wpa protected networks broadcast an ESSID.13:20
LynoureDr_willis: and I've really never met anyone who did not like TED Talks13:20
nomasteryodareally? hmm, been working fine here... network-applet is slow to respond...13:20
Dr_willisLynoure,  yea. she wants stuff she can watch for hours on end.. and not 'predownload' and wait. she hates waiting.13:20
Dr_willisLynoure,  thats why i was looing at the various show streams. not web-type-casts13:20
drbobbVorbote: thx, but i guess intel's chips have been supported for a long time13:21
LynoureDr_willis: if one keeps Miro on, it keeps on getting stuff on it's own, so there is a buffer big enough to keep a tv addict happy13:21
drbobbmy q is about broadcom, up to now every upgrade has meant a day-long struggle to me13:21
drbobbto get it back into working condition13:21
Dr_willisLynoure,  shes the kind of person that can watch little house reruns for weeks on end. but then she gets in a movie mood. and i gotta try to keep the wife happy. I guess i could put miro on her machine for her to try out. But thats yet ANOTHER player/tool for her to mess with. Shes been happy with Hulu.com and veoh lately13:22
Lynouredrbobb: Which broadcom? NetXtreme BCM5751M Gigabit has been totally hasslefree for me13:22
Vorbotedrbobb: It's a shame broadcom is so despondent with us Linux users.13:23
drbobbbcm431813:23
LynoureDr_willis: hmm, haven't tried Hulu, I think there was some limitation keeping me from it (and never heard of veoh)13:24
VorboteWell, there is a bcm43xx driver in hardy's kernel. Could be this is the one for you.13:24
drbobbVorbote: there has been one since gutsy13:25
drbobbbut it's not stable enough for actual usage13:25
VorboteThat's a pity.13:25
Vorboteusing ndiswarpper and fw-cutter is not my idea of fun.13:25
drbobband ndiswrapper tends to suffer from incompatibilities13:25
thoreauputicdrbobb: depends on the card - it works well on my iBook with a Broadcom 4306 chip13:26
thoreauputic( bcm43xx)13:26
drbobbmeaning i usually need to build it from recent source13:26
thoreauputicdrbobb: actually it's been around since at least dapper13:26
thoreauputicit needs firmware though - bcm-fwcutter or something like that to install the firmware13:27
drbobbthoreauputic: that may be, and the reason i can't recall it was is probably that i couldn't get it to work at all at those times13:27
thoreauputicI used cafuego's deb13:27
* thoreauputic looks for the url13:28
Tomcat_Can anybody help me with LiveCD persistence? It seems to not work at all in the RC.13:28
drbobbthe packaged fwcutter does do its job fine, though13:28
Tomcat_USB stick works normally, casper-rw (ext3) is on there, "persistent" keyword on kernel cmdline... still nothing.13:29
Tomcat_Logs don't mention any persistent things at all (syslog, casper.log)13:29
thoreauputicbcm43xx deb: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/   <--should work on hardy: it's just firmware13:29
Tyczekhi... I have a question... which version of Ati drivers is in restricted manager?13:29
Tomcat_Oh... now I'm seeing something.13:29
thoreauputicdrbobb: yes I think fwcutter downloads nad installs now, right?13:30
Dr_willisLynoure,  veoh has flash shows.. and under windows their own 'player' that  works decently well. Free shows. decent quailty. with ads.. :( but not too bad.13:30
LynoureDr_willis: not in Linux at all?13:30
Dr_willisthe special player is windows only. wine cant runit13:31
drbobbthoreauputic: yes it was ok in gutsy, it was the driver itself (bcm43xx) that didn't work reliably13:31
drbobbndiswrapper still works a lot better, though i do blame it for my machine freezing once or twice a week13:32
thoreauputicdrbobb: I think the guys reverse-engineering it have a list of supported chips on their site. I was lucky - mine seems to be well supported13:32
thoreauputicdrbobb: the fact that they got it working at all is impressive - Broadcom are notoriously uncooperative13:33
drbobbthoreauputic: yes i know, and i do appreciate that13:33
thoreauputic:)13:34
drbobbstill, i don't want to reboot to windows any time i don't have a eth socket around13:34
thoreauputicdrbobb: I didn't really have a choice - my iBook is ppc so ndiswrapper isn't an option13:35
thoreauputicdrbobb: and i don't run OS-X any more :)13:36
x0x hello. is there any way to run .exe file in text mode?13:36
Tomcat_x0x: wine /path/to/.exe ?13:37
thoreauputicx0x: but I doubt that your exe will run *in* the terminal :) Unless it's DOS or something...13:38
Tomcat_x0x: For DOS .exes, try "dosbox" package13:40
x0x!dosbox13:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:40
x0xTomcat_13:40
x0xwhere to get it?13:40
Tomcat_!package dosbox13:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about package dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:40
Tomcat_Gah.13:40
Tomcat_x0x: It's in the repos.13:41
thoreauputic!info dosbox13:41
ubotudosbox (source: dosbox): A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72-1.1build1 (hardy), package size 654 kB, installed size 2120 kB13:41
Tomcat_x0x: sudo apt-get install dosbox13:41
Tomcat_Thx thoreauputic. :D13:41
x0xok thanks :D13:41
thoreauputic:)13:41
ligemegetSomeone please help - I've just (re)installed Ubuntu Hardy through Wubi, but every time I try to boot it up, it freezes at "Activating swapfile swap"13:42
ligemegetAnd I have tried booting in recovery-mode - same problem13:43
x0xThomasD13:43
hyperairhi. did anybody manage to get srt subtitles working in totem?13:43
x0xthoreauputic, its installed13:43
x0xhow to i use it?13:43
thoreauputicx0x: no idea - I have no use for it here13:43
x0xok13:43
x0xTomcat_ can you help me?13:44
Vorbotehyperair: rename the srt exactly as the video file, replace the extension from <.whatever> to .srt and make sure they are in the same directory13:44
Tomcat_x0x: There are guides & tutorials on the net... don't really have time to help you there, sorry. :)13:44
hyperairVorbote: did that13:44
thoreauputicx0x: I suppose you read the manual ?13:44
x0x;s13:44
hyperairVorbote: doesn't show up under View->Subtitles13:44
VorboteNo joy? Weird...13:44
ligemegetWhy won't it activate the swap?!13:44
hyperairnot only that...13:45
VorboteHas the smell of a bug.13:45
murlidharhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63713/13:45
hyperairi right clicked on the item in the right panel13:45
Tomcat_x0x: Basically, create a config file (example should be in /usr/share/doc/dosbox), mount your directories as DOS drives ("help" in DOSbox), then run DOSBox with the config file... run your game.13:45
murlidhargot problems13:45
murlidharhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63713/13:45
hyperairand clicked "use text subtitle"13:45
hyperairand then foudn the srt file13:45
hyperairand it still didn't work13:45
hyperair<=O13:45
ShackJackHi Herons, since the -16 kernel upgrade been having issues with getting fglrx driver and compiz to run. fglrx driver installed but not showing in restricted drivers. I installed package from AMD site, but when I try to start desktop effects I get to window decorations and no actual effects. Any ideas? (tried reinstalling compiz packages)13:46
ShackJack*no window decorations13:46
x0xi am getting a error13:46
thoreauputic!ati13:46
ubotuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto13:46
ShackJackthoreauputic: Yes, the driver is installed (althoough the one from repos wouldn't work) says installed but not showing up in restricted drivers. Having an issue with compiz though... Direct rendering is on and fglrx driver is aactive...13:47
thoreauputicShackJack: you have my sympathy... I have never needed to wrestle with an ati card. I have nvidia, which seems to work OK. Wish the Nouveau drivers were finished though...13:48
ligemegetOkay, since I didn't get any response, i skipped it by pressing ctrl + alt + del13:49
Vorbotemurlidhar: it seems you'll have to finish your download with rsync13:49
thoreauputicShackJack: sometimes there are posts on the ubuntuforums that deal with recent issues about ati etc. Might be worth a look13:49
nosrednaekimShackJack: why didn't you install the oens from the repositories?13:49
ShackJackthoreauputic: The driver was working rather excellent up until the -15 kernel, then for some reason wasn't active and not showing in restricted drivers until I installed from AMD... It's the compiz which is evidentally having issue...13:49
ShackJacknosrednaekim: Sorry, the oens?13:50
thoreauputicShackJack: wish I could help, but I can't, sorry13:50
murlidharVorbote, so i have to download the iso all over again?13:50
ShackJackthoreauputic: That's O.K. - supposedly there are 374 other ppl here - maybe one of them can help...13:50
murlidhar!rsync13:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:50
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nosrednaekimShackJack: ones.... you don't NEED the restricted drivers manager to install them from the repositories13:50
thoreauputicShackJack: if you look on the forums, read critically: the advice is not always accurate, but some posts are very good13:51
Vorbotemurlidhar: no. You can use the .tmp image you have already to complete the download with rsync13:51
VorboteOn how to do that...13:51
murlidharVorbote, :) and how to use rsync13:51
ligemeget!swap13:51
ubotuswap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info13:51
ShackJacknosrednaekim: I had, but they wouldn't show up under Restricted drivers manager and fglrxinfo showed the MESA driver in use when trying to install from repos (though not so with -15 kernel)... So I tried get latest driver from AMD site13:51
VorboteLet's see if I find a step by step guide...13:52
ShackJacknosrednaekim: Though when switching compiz it insisted on regetting the xorg-driver-fglx from the repos13:52
Vorbotemurlidhar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RsyncCdImage13:53
murlidharVorbote, thanks13:53
ShackJackOf course I have a terrible feeling if I reinstall from scratch everything will be peachy...13:53
nosrednaekimShackJack: sounds like a driver mismatch then13:53
nosrednaekimShackJack: remove the manually installed at drivers...13:54
nosrednaekim*ati13:54
thoreauputicShackJack: If ati is like nvidia, the repo drivers might conflict with the amd ones (just a guess from bitter past experience with nvidia)13:54
ShackJacknosrednaekim: I guess... but then shouldn't *everybody* on hardy with fglrx be experiencing the same thing - I havn't heard otherwise13:54
nosrednaekimthere should be an uninstall script in /usr/share/ati13:54
YeaStanyone knows how to install live cd to hard disk from command line?13:54
Dr_willisThe desktop cd/live cd. does not have the command line installer.13:54
ShackJacknosrednaekim: Yeah, I hear ya... I might as well since it's not doing me any good...13:54
Dr_willisat least i dont think it does. It dident used to.13:55
thoreauputicYeaSt: currently I doubt that you can - youneed tha "alternate" disc13:55
Vorbotemurlidhar: if cdimage.ubuntu.com is not accepting rsync connections, there are several mirrors that do. I tend to use ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net13:55
YeaStthoreauputic: yes, I aggree. however I only have live cd currently13:55
nosrednaekimShackJack: I have it all working and I simply installed from the repositories13:55
ShackJacknosrednaekim: Yeah, so I wonder why the differnece... which card do you have?13:56
|DuReX|When I try to set my wlan0 card into ad-hoc/master, I get Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :13:56
|DuReX|    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.13:56
ShackJacknosrednaekim: I was working fine until the -16 kernel upgrade... But even when I fall back to -15 driver is active but no compiz13:56
thoreauputicYeaSt: the only other way I can think of is to use debootstrap - but that is a whole topic in itself13:56
|DuReX|means driver doesn't support it ? or ? :)13:56
nosrednaekimShackJack: Xpress110013:56
ShackJacknosrednaekim: I have Mobility X140013:56
murlidharVorbote, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-amd64.iso13:56
murlidharVorbote, so what exactly the command i should put into13:57
YeaStthoreauputic: thax13:57
mooboo1i got gnome-language-pack-en from update manager, why? i thought there were language string freeze?13:57
ShackJackI dunno this time around I have some other problems with gconf daemon, etc.. culdn;t resolve and did a fresh install which fixed things... I hope I don't have to do it again - not that it's a problem, but this stuff seemed to be a bit more fixable before (reinstall package, etc...)13:57
thoreauputicYeaSt: there are tuorials about debootstrap install - it;s the same for Debian or Ubuntu, but it involves some fiddling around.13:58
thoreauputicYeaSt: and some bandwidth :)13:58
murlidharVorbote, can u tell me the exact command line to use rsync14:01
murlidharVorbote, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso14:02
Tomcat_murlidhar: Backup first, but I think "rsync <from> <to>" should work fine.14:03
tyhas anyone been able to get toshset working on hardy?14:04
murlidharTomcat_, i am actually trying to use rsync cuz jigdo failed downloading some files . so how do i take the broken download .14:05
Vorbotemurlidhar: (went for some coffee). rsync -PvL ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net::ubuntu-releases/.pool/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso.tmp14:06
Vorbotechange isos name accordingly.14:06
Vorbotes/name/names/14:07
murlidharit is alterate cd14:07
Vorbotechange desktop to alternate14:07
maneywell, all that worrying about what do-release-upgrade might screw up on a desktop was pointless... what is does is throw up its hands and abort the upgrade.  pfui.14:07
Vorbotemurlidhar: you can rename your tmp file to simple .iso and use that name instead (or a dot as in the wiki example)14:08
VorboteThe dot means there is a file with the same name as the remote file in the working directory.14:09
murlidharalready given the command :914:09
murlidharalready given the command :(14:09
VorboteUse control-c and fix your paths, nothing is lost (as long as you use -PL)14:10
murlidharVorbote, now i get 0%14:11
murlidhari used -PvL as u gave14:11
murlidhari backed up the temp file before14:12
murlidhar:014:12
Vorbotemurlidhar: check you are using as target the name of your already existing file (the .tmp file)14:12
tycan anyone help with this error? "required kernel toshiba support not enabled"14:12
Lynourety: What context?14:12
murlidharVorbote, the temp file is in home directory14:12
Vorbotety "sudo modprobe toshiba_acpi. Add to /etc/modules to have it loaded at boot time.14:13
tyLynoure: i am trying to use toshset and get that error14:13
tyVorbote: get error "FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device14:14
ty"14:14
Lynourety:  you can load the modules manually... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/toshset/+bug/181374  so maybe a known bug14:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 181374 in toshset "toshset required kernel toshiba support not enabled." [Undecided,New]14:14
tySo if there is a bug its just a matter of waiting?14:15
Lynouremight be missing from the kernel altogether, then.14:15
Vorbotemurlidhar: place yourself in the home directory and use the name of the file as local target (go back in your shell history and edit it as needed)14:15
VorboteLynoure: "locate toshiba" will tell you14:15
Lynourety: makes sense to sign in that bug report, mark it confirmed, as the previous people have not, I think14:15
murlidharVorbote, done now it working but it is showing 41% only14:16
VorboteOK you are saving the already downloaded bits. You are on your way.14:16
LynoureVorbote: I'm not the person with the toshiba, I don't know if I have same kernel here, 2.6.24-16-generic here, don't know which flavour ty has14:16
murlidharVorbote, do i have to jigdo again to take the beta cd14:16
VorboteLynoure: yep I missed that one.14:16
fromport$ lsmod|grep tos -> toshiba_acpi           12100  014:16
Vorbotemurlidhar: for the beta no. For the final release yes.14:17
fromportecho "toshiba_acpi" >> /etc/modules14:17
tywould this have something to do with tit? when i try install fnfxd i get this error after its instralled "Please make sure that your kernel has enabled the Toshiba option in the ACPI section.14:17
ty"14:17
Lynourety: my kernel seems to have those modules, at least. Which kernel you have? ( uname -a  tells you)14:18
pvandewyngaerdeon the kubuntu 7.10 cd, there is qtparted, a gui partition editor on the live cd,  but none once installed , is there one with hardy ?14:18
murlidharVorbote, i have the beta cd . and it covered 41% of the rc14:18
Vorbotemurlidhar: that about it. I updated my copies with jigdo and the download was about that.14:19
tyLynoure: Linux tyron-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux14:19
fromportlynoure: apt-cache search qtparted  -> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT14:19
Lynourefromport: öh, why?14:19
murlidharVorbote, so what has jigdo done till now .14:19
tywhere is the acpi section of the kernel?14:19
fromportlynore: sorry : was mentfor pvandewyngaerde14:20
swubooLynours:  UI think that was directed at pvandewyngaerde.14:20
swubooGack, that was like like a forest of typos.14:20
murlidharVorbote, probably i didn't have to use jigdo instead just use rsync to download the rc package14:20
Lynourefromport: heh, we don't look that alike, I think =)14:20
fromporthehe14:20
fromportno evil twins ? ;-)14:21
Vorbotemurlidhar: you could have used the jigdo tmp iso file and would have reused whatever youhad already downloaded.14:21
Lynourefromport: I am the evil twin :) but not of pvandewyngaerde, no, never met her.14:21
pvandewyngaerdeher ?  i am male14:21
orvokkiCan't be identical then. ^^14:22
ClintegerHey, I burned 8.04 to a DVD+RW and its not booting from the CD on my laptop, maybe its a problem with the DVD+RW, I'm not sure. How would I go about upgrading an old version of ubuntu that I have on a CD to 8.04?14:22
murlidharVorbote, jigdo temp file has just 41% of the rc ? what % has my beta cd then?14:22
Clintegerapt-get upgrade should suffice, or is there more to be done?14:22
fromportmy opinion: try and reinstall 8.04 (hardy) fresh. the upgrades i did weren't 100% faultles14:23
fromport+s14:23
orvokkiThere really are guides for this in the links in the topic...14:23
Lynourepvandewyngaerde: :) yep, not identical then. Nice to meet you though, whichever gender.14:23
tyhow do you confirm a bug?14:23
Lynourepvandewyngaerde: this channel can sure use another kubuntu user.14:23
swubooAnyone know offhand if the RC now replaces the ALSA SDL lib with the Pulseaudio SDL lib?14:24
fromportty: in general : if it's on thebuglist allready: no need to confirm it (my opinion)14:24
Clintegerhmm..14:24
Lynourety: log into launchpad, go to the bug, then press on the drop menu where New is, and enter Confirmed as the new status.14:24
Clintegerorvokki, sorry, forgot to mention I only have 7.04, the guide only shows from 7.10 or 6.06 :/14:25
Clintegeroh.14:25
Clintegerit appears I have a 6.10 cd :D14:25
Clintegernevermind :D14:26
fromportclinteger: update all paths in /etc/apt/sources.list -> aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade14:26
Clintegerfromport, aptitude? o.o14:26
Clintegeroook14:26
orvokkifromport: Definitely not the recommended or official way. :P14:27
orvokkiJust try the alt+f2 update-manager --devel-release or whatever.14:28
bobbo85hi all, is there any way to convert an encrypted m4p to an mp3 in ubuntu?  My friend put one of his purchased songs on my ipod and i can't even play it on my computer without converting it first!14:28
fromportorvokki: why not recommended ?14:28
murlidharok 348 files could not be downloaded using jigdo . what is to be done ? can be it done by rsync ?14:29
orvokkifromport: Does it say in any of Hardy guides you should do it?14:29
LynoureUh, latest upgrades seem to have broken Flash videos in my Konqueror/akregator. Is that common?14:29
swubooorvokki:  I think that would be an indication of the fact that it is *not* recommended, rather than an explanation of *why*.14:29
swuboos/fact/*fact*, s/*not*/not14:30
orvokkiswuboo: I'm not certain. I've heard of complaints with dist-upgrade messing up the system.14:30
Clintegeryeah, i've heard it too14:31
Clintegersee I'm not a noob to linux, just don't like buying more CDs :p14:31
fromportclinteger that's why they invented cd-RW's ;-)14:32
Clintegerfromport, yeah, I only have dvd+rws.14:32
Clintegerand that didnt work :|14:32
Clintegerit might just be my laptop's drive, or something, but it sits and beeps a couple times14:32
ClintegerSHIT14:32
Clintegerthat was loud.14:32
Clintegerthe startup sound on the livecd is at max volume >.<14:33
murlidharok 348 files could not be downloaded using jigdo . what is to be done ? can be it done by rsync ?14:33
murlidharanybody14:33
murlidhar!enter > Clinteger14:33
Clintegerthanks murlidhar like i've never heard that before.14:34
fromportmurlidhar: why not a regular http/ftp download ?14:35
LynoureSeems it wanted to pull konqueror-plugin-gnash in :/14:35
murlidharClinteger, you are welcome :)14:36
murlidharfromport, i don't want to download the whole iso14:36
crimsunDanaG: I'm not convinced using CARD= would be any saner than hard-coding slots (via snd.ko) or indices (via snd-foo.ko)14:41
ExilantLynoure: flash in konqui hasn't worked in a wjile for me14:41
LynoureExilant: worked before yesterday to me14:42
afd__hi! Is it just me having problems with firebug (any version) and firefox 3 beta 5?14:42
afd__basically, the firebug panel won't open14:42
LynoureExilant: but I'm on a 32bit system, still...14:46
Exilantme too14:47
Exilantdunno, do you use flashplugin-nonfree?14:47
LynoureExilant: yes.14:48
LynoureExilant: or did... I don't know what else change other than the upgrades pulling the gnash plugin14:48
LynoureExilant: brb, experimenting14:49
Exilantnot for me14:49
Exilantmaybe i'll install that plugin then :)14:49
Exilantyou can change the app to handle flash in konqi in settings, conf. konq, file assoc, application/x-shockwave-flash, embedded14:51
crimsunafd__: no, it's a known issue.14:52
LynoureExilant: seems to work again :)14:53
afd__crimsun: ok. Should I wait for a firefox update or firebug update?14:53
LynoureExilant: took removing konqueror-plugin-gnash and flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstalling the latter and logging back in (to purge any memories of konqueror, I guess I have preloading for it)14:54
Exilantah right, you had to reinstall flashplugin-nonfree, updating wasn't enough afair14:55
Exilanti'll try that, thanks14:56
LynoureExilant: let me know how it went, afterwards14:56
WelshDragonHey, How can i enable remote desktop using the terminal?15:00
kaminixSince upgrading to Hardy, my networking has been really slow (topping at like 60 kbps, usually around 0 to 25 kbps, lot of connection drops). Anyone who knows how to solve this? RT2500-card, worked fine before.15:06
Lynourekaminix: and you have ruled out problems in the network (cables, ISP)?15:08
fromportkaminix: what was the speed before ? measured to/from what server ? traceroute ? how are you connected ? please use pastebin service for your output: eg: http://pastebin.ca15:08
kaminixLynoure: Well, it's wireless and the connection to the router interface is slow aswell.15:08
pihhanhello15:09
kaminixfromport: The top BitTorrent speed I've enjoyed lies around 500-600 kpbs I think; other than that I'm not sure.15:09
Lynourekaminix: hmm, I think I'll let someone else do wlan troubleshooting... too lenghty, usually15:09
fromportkaminix: ping -c 100  [gatewayipaddress15:10
fromportgives you lot of packetloss?15:10
kaminixNow I'm getting good Google ping times as well, around 30ms. Had like 3000 before.15:10
kaminixfromport: gateway = my router, right?15:10
theDtTvB2|HardyAfter upgrading to Hardy miro stopped working. It says "no module named xlibhelper". What should I do?15:10
kaminixfromport: Running it now.15:11
pihhanis some official way to unmount user mounted device not in /etc/fstab?15:12
kaminixfromport: 0% packet loss it says.15:12
thoreauputicpihhan: pmount/pumount if it's a detachable device15:13
kaminixThough just the router settings page takes several seconds to load.  About 12 seconds. :s15:14
jaffarkelshacmy wine system tray has popped out  how do i get it back in the notification area15:14
TatsterHi all.  Just installed the RC on a test box that has 2 disks in a mirror (hardware raid card).  However when installer gets to partition disks section it's asking me to choose which 1 of 2 disks I want to partition15:14
pihhanthoreauputic: is there reason why is this command not installed in default instalation?15:14
TatsterThis doesn't seem right to me, as I would expect the installer only to see the 1 mirrored disk.  Or am I wrong ?15:14
thoreauputicpihhan: probably the same reason about 18000 other things are not installed :)15:15
ExilantLynoure: no, didn't help much, still the same, sometimes audio, video very rarely15:15
Lynourekaminix: Try booting that router. At least Zyxels often benefit from a friendly kick now and then15:15
pihhanthoreauputic: you know, there is little problem with it15:15
thoreauputicpihhan: I think most of this kind of thing is handled by gnome in a different way15:15
pihhanthoreauputic: i have notebook (sony vaio fz), i have card reader15:16
fromportkaminix: could be a 1000 reasons15:16
kaminixLynoure: It is actually a Zyxel router, though I've rebooted it two times today already (it's 4:15PM here) with no success.15:16
thoreauputicpihhan: like the  gnome "connect to server" - I much prefer sshfs15:16
pihhanthoreauputic: it does mount new card i insert into it well, but funny is, it does not allow me to remove safely15:16
fromportkaminix: could you install the "iperf" package ? "aptitude install iperf "15:16
thoreauputicpihhan: does an icon pop up on the desktop?15:17
thoreauputicpihhan: if so, use right click - eject15:17
pihhanthoreauputic: yes, but it does not allow me to unmount it15:17
pihhanthoreauputic: that is problem, there is not eject15:17
thoreauputicpihhan: ah I see15:17
fromportlynoure: depends on the firmware, find is really rock-solid (zyxel 2602)15:17
Lynourekaminix: oh, had that too with one once... it ended up getting replaced. :/15:17
kaminixfromport: Okay, I'll tell you when it's done. Should I run it with some special options?15:17
pihhanLANG=en_US umount -v /media/disk/15:18
pihhanumount: /media/disk is not in the fstab (and you are not root)15:18
Lynourefromport: I mostly have played with the 600 series15:18
pihhanthis is point of problem15:18
fromportlynoure: grrr. what's with the typo's today ?! :-)15:18
thoreauputicpihhan: I don't know then - I think you could still umount it if you use "sudo", or as root though15:18
Lynourefromport: What did I do?15:18
pihhanit does mount it for me, but to umount i need to use sudo and root privileges, or modify /etc/fstab by hand15:18
thoreauputice.g. sudo umount /dev/foo15:18
thoreauputicpihhan: right - could be  a bug15:18
pihhani know what i need to write there, but i would like to report that as bug, but dont know where should i15:19
fromportkaminix: i've setup a server to connect to on my side: you just run "iperf -c vhost10.ams-sar.het.net"15:19
fx|RabBitcan anybody please tell me why all of my ports are closed to the ouztside since upgrade allthogh i dont use a firewall?15:19
thoreauputicpihhan: not sure - could be the new gvfs15:19
kaminixLynoure, fromport: It's a Zyxel P-320W15:19
fromportlynoure: you didn't do anything (that's the whole point ;-) i made the typo's15:19
Lynourefromport: Oh, I have good typofilters :)15:20
Dr_willisHmm.. can openoffice Well oocalc - open up .ofx files? Trying to load my checking info i 'exported' from the banks web site15:20
Lynourefromport: So I hardly notice incoming typos, but unfortunately no help with the outgoing ones15:20
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: do you have any sever daemons running on your system?15:20
thoreauputic*server15:20
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: sshd and ftp15:20
fromportDr_willes: google on openoffice .ofx will probably fill you in on that question ;-)15:21
pihhanDr_willis: i dont think ofx is Open document format, so i think it cannot. try file your-file.ofx, what it wil report as type of file15:21
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: and you can't connect with, say, ssh from another machine?15:21
fromportlynoure: theraputic filters ? ;-)15:21
Bravewolfhello. In Hardy the intel 3945g wireless card has a different driver. iwl3945 instead of ipw3945. In hardy the led which shows if wifi is enabled or not doesn't work. Do you have similar problems?15:21
Dr_willisits loading it as a text file.  so im thinking it cant handle it. which is a bummer.15:21
Dr_willislets see what else the bank can export to.15:22
Lynourefromport: heh, just from hefty ircing for most of my life =)15:22
sochi15:22
fromportdr_willis: those are quciken files15:22
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: do you see anything if for example you telnet to port 22 from another machine?15:22
fromportquicken15:22
Leeuwhas anyone experienced ' failure to initialise HAL' (ie nothing works, no network, no audio, not even switching off) after installing RC ?15:22
soci upgraded to hardy but i have no sound atm ...15:22
socsome ideas?15:22
fahadsadahsoc: Reinstall alsa15:22
socmh ok15:23
fahadsadahEveryone: Has hardy finalised?15:23
soci think it has something to do with pulseaudio15:23
fromportdr_willes; install gnucash, it can handle those files (i think)15:23
Dr_willisaha.. bank can do .csv also.. and the 'download/open dialog even showed oocalc. :)15:23
Leeuwfahadsadah: NO, BUT SORT OF- THE RELEASE CANDIDATE IS READY; ALMOST FINAL.  fINAL IN ABOUT 5 DAYS15:23
Dr_williscsv, now thats old-skool15:23
fahadsadahOh, right15:24
Leeuwsorrry for capslock, everyone15:24
pihhanBravewolf: it is known that new iwlwifi drivers does not support LED yet, it is not fixed in last iwlwifi yet15:24
fahadsadahWhen it finalises, will my GRUB be cleaned up and have only the kernel I use?15:24
fahadsadahOr do I have to do that?15:24
bardyrfahadsadah, apt-get autoremove15:24
pihhanBravewolf: you may check http://www.intellinuxwireless.org for more info15:24
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fahadsadahI run that regularly15:24
kaminixfromport: It also installed som updates now, among others: initscripts and kubuntu-default-settings. Should I restart and see if the problems will just 'go away' before doing the iperf network test?15:25
Leeuwbardyr: ehat's autoremove ?15:25
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: nope i dont15:25
Dr_willisive never noticed kernels gettting removed.15:25
Leeuwdardwhat's I mean15:25
bardyrLeeuw, removes unneddes packages15:25
fx|RabBitand i have those services running cos i can have them from localhost15:25
bardyrunneeded*15:25
heanolanyone else having trouble running grub?15:25
Leeuwbardyr: as in dependencies that are no longer deps ?15:25
fahadsadahNothing to do with kernels15:25
heanol-bash: /usr/sbin/grub: cannot execute binary file15:25
bardyrLeeuw, yea15:25
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: and if you run  sudo iptables -L  do you see a whole bunch of rules ?15:25
fromportkaminix: did it install a new kernel as well ? what version are you running (uname -a)15:25
fahadsadahThat's not exactly how you run grub15:26
kaminixLinux minipax 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux15:26
fahadsadahgrub-install /dev/sda15:26
fahadsadahSory15:26
Leeuwbardyr: nice... gonna gettit !15:26
fahadsadahgrub-install hd015:26
Bravewolfpihhan: thanks! Is it possible to use ipw instead of iwl?15:26
Odd-rationaleWhen I shutdown, I get a black terminal screen for a second with a bunch of NetworkManager errors, then the shutdown usplash and poweroff. Why does NetworkManager crash evertime I shutdown?15:26
bardyrLeeuw, autoclean is also nice, removes all downloaded packages15:26
hmullerheanol: no problem running it here15:26
heanolbeh15:26
theunixgeekThe live CD doesn't work. I keep getting dropped to a busybox terminal. How do I fix this?15:26
kaminixfromport: 2.6.24-16-generic15:26
Leeuwbardyr: takes care of one of my neurotic admin-worriez...15:26
heanol grub-install --no-floppy /dev/md015:27
heanol/usr/sbin/grub: 1: ELF4Ø: not found15:27
heanolweird15:27
Leeuwbardyr: like temp-files and the download folder ?15:27
fromportkaminix: reboot, better even:poweroff your system and then turn it back on15:27
hmullerfahadsadah: It can be run as just grub15:27
bardyrLeeuw, yea15:27
pihhanBravewolf: i think iwl will be much better, for my intel 4965 is no ipw, and it does not require daemon running.15:27
oxigensince last flash player 'fix' i cant hear sound in blender :(15:27
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: the concept of "closed" and "open" ports is not very useful really - more useful to know what services are listening, and check if iptables has set rules to block those ports15:27
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: not one single rule in there as this has never been my firewall15:27
oxigenhow can i fix that?15:27
kaminixfromport: Is the kernel old? It didn't install a new one now.15:27
heanolhmuller: are you running x86_64?15:27
Leeuwbardyr: gonna gettit tooo !15:27
hmullerheanol: yep15:27
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: iptables is not running and has not one single rure set15:27
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: youmust see something - are all policies set to ACCEPT ?15:28
kaminixWill reboot then. fromport, see you in a minute.15:28
fromportkaminix: no,it's the latest/greatest (available in hardy anyway)15:28
fx|RabBitufw is not running and fiurestarter is not running15:28
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: how do you know iptables is not running?15:28
fx|RabBitiptables -F15:28
hmullerheanol: maybe there's something wrong with your grub install, might want to reinstall15:28
oxigeni rather have problems with firefox crashing than no sound in blender15:28
oxigenthat sucks!15:28
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: if you flush the iptables chains that can shut you out unless you had permissive policies in place15:29
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: hehe ok buddy one more time: no iptables and no rules in ther  and has never been running15:29
heanolhmuller: i found the problem i think, i read that you need CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION in the kernel which i don't (compiled my own)15:29
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: in other words it is not iptables15:30
Bravewolfpihhan: so... I have to wait :-/. The led is VERY useful...15:30
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: any other suggestions?15:30
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: you said "iptables -F" - I was pointing out that that can lock you out15:30
hmullerheanol: I agree, grub .97 is 32 bit15:31
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: ah kk i see15:31
fx|RabBitbut as i said before there was no rule in there before i did that15:31
fx|RabBitsaid iptables -L15:31
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: in fact, I just did an experiment here - and locked myself out of another box :) I will have to port knock my way back in :)15:31
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: http://www.nopaste.org/p/a36C2NQDi15:32
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: hehe happens15:33
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: yeah that looks pretty permissive, indeed ;)15:33
fx|RabBitpoint is i didn never do anything to the connection or to the filtering of such on this machine15:33
fx|RabBiti get out15:33
fx|RabBitbut i dont get in15:33
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: so we are no nearer solving the mystery I guess15:33
fx|RabBitand the services a re there15:33
fowlerUbuntu Hardy Current : x86_64 : Flash doesn't display. Just shows up as a grey box. about:plugins in firefox shows the plugin is installed. Any ideas anyone?15:33
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: afraid not, was hoping you had another suggestion...15:33
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: do you have a routing problem perhaps?15:34
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: ie. no route to your box15:34
thoreauputicguessing at possibilities15:34
volton Hi I have got a question about the pgp-keys in 8.04, are these completely independant from the password key? WIll my PGP-key still be stron if I have a weak password key?15:34
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: is it pingable?15:34
friedtreei reinstalled hardy thinking that would restore sound to my flash videos.  i still dont have sound in flash :(15:35
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: tell you in a sec15:35
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: absolutely not15:35
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: ah OK - then it is probably routing15:36
fowlerfriedtree, Flash problems here too: Apparently  libflashsupport helps with sound in Hardy, It will give pulseaudio support to Flash so soound works. Unfortunately it seems buggy15:36
fx|RabBithow come?15:36
elliotjhughi all - need to do a fairly massive update of packages on my system and I was forced to do a partial upgrade. It wants to remove a package 'volumeid' - is that safe, a google search makes it seem pretty vital15:36
pihhanBravewolf: never had working it in ubuntu, dont know what i am missing :)15:36
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: have a look at ifconfig and route -n15:36
friedtreethank you fowler.15:36
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: i am straight on the net now, no router inbetween, only the big wide world15:36
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: umm - so where dd you ping the box from?15:37
fx|RabBitthoreauputic did i mention that i am on the machine now that we are talking bout?15:37
hmullerelliotjhug: I'd say you are pretty safe relying on update-manager, just run it again after the partial upgrade15:37
fx|RabBiti sshd to a server on my workplace and pinged it from there15:37
elliotjhughmuller: OK15:37
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: no - as I said, how did you try to ping it?15:37
elliotjhughmuller: thanks15:37
thoreauputicah sorry missed that15:38
kaminixfromport: [  5]  0.0-11.5 sec    208 KBytes    148 Kbits/sec     faster than from most servers it is.15:38
bullgard4What might be the reason that Hardy displays letters in a GNOME terminal blurry but in menu items crisp?15:38
valehruHi guys, I connected amarok on Hardy to my ipod touch.  Seems to have synched perfectly, I can play music over the wireless connection through amarok but now when I go to play on ipod touch only it says "No Music, you can download music from ITunes"  Any ideas?15:38
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: pinged with IP number or full domain name etc?15:38
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: ip adress15:39
hmullerelliotjhug: No problem.15:39
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: hmm OK _ there goes the DNS theory :)15:39
fromportkaminix: i dont think you have hardware problem. could it be that the wifi is "crowded" and you are fighting for your bandwidth ?15:39
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: so you know for sure that you have the  right IP address for the box, right?15:40
fx|RabBitpositive m8 i  copy pasted it out from ifconfig15:41
kaminixNo, no one else is using the net at the moment. But when I run apt and ping my router at the same time the ping times gets goes from 2ms to sometimes as much as 2000ms. Is that normal?15:41
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: and it's a static IP of course?15:41
asdfsadfsMy 2 ATA cards are not recognized after a fresh install of Hardy. They were recognized fine with all other versions since 6.04. Any ideas?15:41
asdfsadfsAlso, why does 8.04 try to fsck my encrypted partitions? They're not ext[23].15:41
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: it is15:42
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: look what my demes|grep eht0 returns:15:42
fx|RabBithttp://www.nopaste.org/p/aKdO4Vktb15:42
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: I'm running out of ideas :)15:42
kaminixPeaked at 24034 ms when pinging my router now.15:42
TechnofroodJust upgraded my 7.10 box to the 8.04 RC, how ever the newest kernel listed in grub (2.6.24-16) comes up with a kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)15:42
christopherwhen installing kubuntu i get lines running up and down my screen.  they flicker. any suggestions.15:42
christopheri have a dell optiplex gx150 with an intel video card15:43
keanuis it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package15:43
fromportkaminix: yes that is normal. you'filling the available bandwidth. that gives you the higher  ping times: did you also powercycle the dsl modem ?15:43
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: thios dmesg deffinitely looks like iptables is running but it aing15:43
fx|RabBitwtf is going on???15:43
hwMoDhello - I started a do-release-upgrade through ssh via wireless on my laptop, then thougth better, stopped it half way, rebooted, and now apt-get upgrade is getting hardy packages15:43
hwMoDhow many issues am I facing?15:44
hwMoDor will it be ok after the apt-get upgrade?15:44
kaminixfromport: Powercycle? Restart? Yes I did. Could of course do it again, but would there be any point in doing so15:44
kaminix?15:44
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: I don't know, to be frank. I tried to get some info that might help, but at this point I'm lost too15:44
jgooHey there - network problem - works fine in live, after reboot network is in 'roaming' mode - no net... set to DHCP... no net, although I noted the DNS values are auto configured... I set static IP... no net. Linksys is at 10.0.0.100, serving dynamic IP'15:44
jgoos above 20015:44
kaminixGot 24% packet loss when pinging my router and using apt at the same time. :s15:44
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: so thanx for trying thogh m815:45
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: good luck :(15:45
pihhanjgoo: check if ifconfig reports anything set there15:45
fromportkaminix: you powercycled your laptop right ? how about the wifi gateway ? could you try and powercycle that as well ?15:45
jgoopihhan, when I set it static, yes, it reports the static ip15:45
jgooon dhcp, it reports some hex values...15:45
fromportkaminix: you should get higher ping times, not packet loss when you fill the bandwidth15:46
pihhanjgoo: do you want dhcp or static ip?15:46
kaminixfromport: Shutting it off, wait a couple of seconds and turn it on again = powercycle? I already did that, but I could retry it.15:46
jgooDHCP would be fine15:46
kaminixfromport: But I get both. :s15:46
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: thanx i gonna find the bastard *gg*15:46
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: heh15:46
fromportkaminix: i'm now only talking abou tthe router/wifi gateway !15:46
jgooI have set to static, let me set to DHCP again and run ifconfig again15:47
kaminixfromport: 100 packets transmitted, 76 received, 24% packet loss, time 110121ms          rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 461.660/5429.547/24034.088/5059.148 ms, pipe 1415:47
pihhanfromport: what he should get depends on quality of equipment and total speed it is able to deliver,15:47
kaminixfromport: Yes, should I turn them on/off? Both of them at once?15:47
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: BTW I got back in with my port knock :)15:47
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: not that that helps you of course :)15:47
fromportkaminix: you have powercycled (switched off/on) the router/wifigateway allready ?15:47
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: well glad that you could solve yours at least:)15:48
kaminixfromport: Yes, earlier today, twice. Not while we've been talking though.15:48
jgoopihhan, hrm. set to DHCP and I don't get anything - perhaps a setting on my router is conflicting, like netbios or something? I just replaced one linksys wifi router with a similar model15:48
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: port knocking is useful for these little problems ;p15:48
Leeuwanyone know what the status is of fixing the dbus/hal bug ' failed to initialise hal'  after fresh install is /   (had it with beta after updates, now with fresh RC install same thing)15:48
keanuis it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package15:49
jgoopihhan, ifconfig doesn't report any ip, or mask, or broadcast, after setting to dhcp15:49
fromportpihhan: 24% packetloss is not normal/accetable. When i do a full download on my wireless i do get some packetloss, but not that much.15:49
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: is that some special procedure or what?15:49
friedtreei am unable to change the login menu in hardy.  am running the rc, freshly installed15:49
jgooso it seems physical... perhaps I borked the wiring... but it worked in live session (and in... *vomits* vista... which was shipped on this new machine BY MISTAKE! (and, truly, it sucks)15:49
pihhanjgoo: check if dhclient is running:  ps ax | grep dhclient15:49
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: basically, you run a daemon (knockd) - it notices a pattern of hits and runs a command to allow you in from the IP you "knock" from15:50
christopherwhen installing kubuntu i get lines running up and down my screen.  they flicker. any suggestions.15:50
christopheri have a dell optiplex gx150 with an intel video card15:50
jgoorunnig15:50
jgoorunning* - dhclient315:50
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: there are howtos on the net - the package is in the repos15:50
fromportkaminix: how are you connected to the internet ? cable/dsl ? is the wifi gateway integrated in your modem ? or seperate ?15:51
pihhanfromport: wireless is tricky thing. it depends on quality of your driver, remote driver, remote system cpu power if encryption is enabled, link quality, etc... it is much things that can go wrong in wifi15:51
jgoopihhan - can I use ARP to test to see if I can resolve the mac address of another machine?15:51
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: uhuh i see thanx15:51
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: it's quite clever - basically means you can lock everything down but still get in15:51
jgooeven though I know this network works... perhaps... magically it broke?15:51
hwMoDis the usplash resolution still brokey in the RC?15:51
pihhanjgoo: yes, arping -I eth0 ip-you-want-to-ping15:51
jgooI've never had a problem with networking on any linux before :p so this is a novelty for me15:51
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: souds like illegal things to me gg15:52
kaminixfromport: ADSL, 8/1 mbit. Modem -> Wireless router -> Laptop15:52
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: not at all15:52
kaminixfromport: In other words, the router and the modem are separate.15:52
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: uh i get it its like a secret password or so15:52
jgoopihhan, ok arping didn't get a response15:52
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: only works if you know the right combination of ports to hit -15:52
fx|RabBithehe15:52
jgoobut it said my ip was a 169.254 (basically, random?) ip address15:52
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: yeah i got it, sounds nice gotta have a look at that15:53
jgooI arping'd a machine that was set to static ip on my network15:53
fromportkaminix: can you connect (temporarily) a normal ethernet cable to you laptop to verify your speed is normal with a wired connection ?15:53
BravewolfWhere does Ubuntu save the configuration of X? (xorg.conf is almost empty)15:53
jgoopihhan, I did sudo lshw -C network and it said something about half duplex15:53
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: yes it's like a password - the nice thing is that it just waits for the combination of firewall hits15:53
fx|RabBitanyone know anything about that net ufw thing?15:53
kaminixfromport: Not possible at the moment. :(15:53
jgoocould that be that some combination of router config is causing this?15:53
pihhanjgoo: stop dhcp server from network manager, and run sudo dhclient in terminal. see what is does report, propably it cannot find dhcp server15:53
jgoook, Ill do that15:54
swuboothoreauputic:  That's fascinating.  I'd grab that and set it up right now if I had any remotely conceivable use for it.15:54
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: well hope you got a straight combo then not the usual -..-- ..15:54
fromportjgoo: cat /proc/net/arp15:54
pihhanjgoo: what does return  sudo mii-tool ?15:54
thoreauputicswuboo: heheh - well it just got me back in to a box that I locked myself out of :)15:54
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: the secret of my combo will die with me !!! (add !!! to taste)15:55
fromportkaminix: more computers connected to the dsl modem ?15:55
swuboothoreauputic:  If I were to lock myself out of of my desktop, I'd have nowhere to get in *from*, so it's relatively moot for me.15:55
jgoopihhan, where is the network manager? I see network manager editor (which loads, but shows no networks)15:55
kaminixfromport: Three others, though I think only one of them is one but not in use now; the other two are turned off.15:56
thoreauputicswuboo: ah I see - I have several boxen here and in an emergency I could use an internet cafe or somehting with my laptop15:56
jgooeth0: no link15:56
fx|RabBitthoreauputic: hehehehe brave man15:56
jgoopihhan, that is the mii-tool output - so it looks like the cable isn't registering as connected :(15:56
fromportkaminix: the other machine is not chewing up the bandwidth ? running some p2p program ?15:56
thoreauputicswuboo: to get back in I mean15:56
pihhanjgoo: yes, you need to fix that before you can continue :)15:57
jgoopihhan, hahaha. yes - I notice no lights on the back of the network card, which is all very lolsome but....15:57
Clintegerwell.. 12 minutes until I've downloaded needed updates to 7.04 :D15:57
jgooin the live session... network was working!15:57
kaminixfromport: No, only computer ever running p2p is this one.15:57
jgoothen I rebooted.. perhaps... the network... what... disconnected? I didn't touch the cable!15:57
thoreauputicfx|RabBit: I don't think the average packet sniffer in a cafe is very interested in apparently random sequences of udp and tcp packets ;p15:58
jgooI have to drive home now... but I will redo the network cable end... hrm... grrr. oh well :p15:58
jgoothanks!15:58
stael123hello everybody! i have sound problem when skypes running! i try playing with sound settings but nothing helped. any advice?15:59
bullgard4What might be the reason that Hardy displays letters in a GNOME terminal blurry but in menu items crisp?15:59
fromportkaminix: i give up, to many things that could be the culprit16:00
kaminix=(16:00
kaminixThanks anyway fromport16:00
fromportstael123: i only have skype sound on left side. but it is working16:01
* keanu hates repeating, but in the event it was missed:16:01
keanuis it possible to still get libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-alsa, as 1. pulseaudio is now the default sound system, and 2. SDL applications requiring sound won't work without that package16:01
jluhi, wenn man den ordner auf einer home partition 700 macht hat ja keiner ausser dem inhaber zugriff. wird das über die uid geregelt und was ist wenn der man das system neu installiert und ein anderer user bekommt diese uid zugewiesen?16:02
jlusorry wrong channel.16:02
fromportjlu:english16:02
stael123fromport: mine its working. but i cant get music or another sound application running at the same time.16:03
keanuwould #ubuntu be a better place for me to ask that question?16:04
usserwhat was wrong with alsa anyway?16:04
swubooAnyone have any thoughts about why gnome-panel launchers might not be saving their settings between reboots?16:04
pihhan!de | jlu16:04
ubotujlu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de16:04
swubookeanu:  No, I think you're in the right place for that.  And I agree, that really, really needs to happen.16:05
keanuswuboo, ok16:05
kaminixfromport: When I run RaConfig2500 (for Gutsy though) it says 'Device not found! (check rt2x00.conf)'. Could that be related?16:06
Ergo^evening16:08
Ergo^so can we use the RC and it wil lget upgraded to final without problems ?16:08
philip_Ergo^: yes. As a matter of fact I'm wiping my upgraded install from 7.04-7.10-8.04 to install a fresh RC 8.04 right now16:13
Ergo^i think they should not have any special things that would have problems with upgrade16:14
philip_5 days left, everything else is cosmetic16:14
swubooErgo^:  The differences between the RC and the final should hopefully be minimal, so in all likelihood, yes.16:15
Ergo^i wonder if the gnome monitor was fixed16:15
philip_and then in two months I'll be upgrading to 8.10 anyway :P16:16
fromportstael123: i just tried: i could not listen to mp3 (audicious) and setup a voice conversation with skype at the same time16:16
sharperguyis amarok working with pulse yet?16:17
Clinteger*sigh* today's going to be epic dowloads :| first had to update all of feisty, then upgrading to gutsy, then upgrading to hardy16:17
Ergo^Clinteger: id rather choose fresh install :P16:17
Ergo^btw. ubuntu broke WINE :P16:18
Ergo^and seriously ;P16:18
stael123fromport: sounds like the same problem!16:18
Ergo^memory protection b0rkens WINE, some tools just dont start16:18
stael123fromport: it was posible with gutsy.16:18
fromportstael123: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=119961 and there are several other forums posts16:23
stael123fromport: i'll take a look! thanks a lot!!16:23
philip_truecrypt is awesome16:30
zippytechany idea on why my sound don't work tried,onboard ac97 and a sblive16:31
zippytechubuntu snd: Unknown symbol unregister_sound_special16:31
Bravewolfc'è un pacchetto con i temi per grub?16:33
Bravewolfsorry... I mistake the chan16:36
effie_jayxanyone know how to configure a printer in LTP1 with the new interface for printer16:38
effie_jayx?16:38
stael123fromport: i have this version of skype. it seems like skype uses the sound channel 100% and no other sound can get through it!16:42
mohamed_running xscreensaver i got this error " Directory does not exist: "/usr/share/backgrounds " creating this directory will solve the problem  ?16:45
pihhaneffie_jayx: in cups interface. configure it. you might use http://localhost:631 on cups machine16:46
calcmohamed_: it should exist16:46
draginxxIs anyone else getting a weird error with firefox 3b5 showing certain fonts big? Not sure if it's a patter yet, f3b5 worked properly and fine on my other box (7.10) on the same site. So this is an independent OS issue?16:46
calcmohamed_: install screensaver-default-images, ubuntu-wallpapers16:46
mohamed_thx calc i will do now16:47
effie_jayxpihhan, ok... but not on the new gui :S16:47
effie_jayxok16:47
orvokki!info nvidia-glx-new16:48
ubotunvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15256 kB16:48
Asa_AI can't seem to get my mythfrontend working with Hardy. I followed the instructions here (http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html), but I still don't get sound.16:53
Asa_Aand i'm not getting mythtv listed in the playback tab of the Pulse volume control16:54
Asa_Adoes anyone here have any suggestions?16:58
NW2190Hey does anyone know of to get Emerald working in Hardy?16:59
nosrednaekimNW2190: just install it and run "emerald --replace"16:59
crdlbNW2190: put it in CCSM: Window Decoration > Command17:00
crdlbit no longer is used automatically17:00
NW2190ok that worked. Thanks a lot.17:01
elliotjhughi all running upgrade on ubuntu hardy - error with conflicting packages in firefox3, depends on xulrunner-1.9 which conflicts with j2re1.4 which I believe I can safely remove - if I could find its package - error is: "xulrunner-1.9 conflicts with j2re1.4" alernative solutions or name of a package would be appreciated!17:03
_Lucretia_i'm on a wireless network here and am thinking about upgrading to hardy via the devel-release, will there be any network problems or will it download all packages first?17:08
* _Lucretia_ is sick of firefox hanging all the time and it seems to be making eclipse hang *all the time*17:08
zeushello, how to enable dual screen display with nvidia 8800 ?17:10
hwMoDdoes anyone here know the insides of do-release-upgrade ?17:10
escupoenhardyi have installed the rc,and then synaptic say me thah install propietary driver ati,i install it and the screen is in black17:12
Amonxzdamn but did u keeped the previous drives?17:13
bts3685is networking/dns broken?17:14
Amonxzwell i want to ask about themes for hardy17:14
Exilantescupoenhardy: then just change it back17:14
Amonxzfor example this one17:14
Amonxzhttp://bp3.blogger.com/_vvsFwRooO6Y/R3T8NShwIUI/AAAAAAAAAoM/WFCuOR1pvgc/s1600-h/eBlueBall.png.jpg17:14
_Lucretia_so does the upgrade process download all packages first?17:15
Exilantescupoenhardy: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, search for fglrx, replace by ati17:15
solomonhowdy, i've got an rc1 new install on my laptop and I'm trying to configure dual head with an external monitor i've got plugged in17:15
solomonthe gutsy tool used to work pretty well for this but the more simple tool that seems to be in hardy can't seem to get beyond cloned display17:15
solomonis there something more advanced i can use, beyond editing xorg.conf by hand (which i can do if i must)17:16
escupoenhardyexilant:after install the driver the desktop dont charge17:16
Exilantescupoenhardy: well, there's the cl...17:17
escupoenhardywhat?17:17
Exilantcommandline17:17
Amonxzcant anybody help me with the themes for hardy17:18
tommy_the theme manager has not been fixed yet ? whenever I change a color I have to restart X server in order to see the new color :/17:21
tijayzHi17:27
tijayzANyone knows any resolutions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/20635817:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 206358 in initramfs-tools "Slow boot process on "waiting for resume device"" [Undecided,New]17:28
tijayzubotu, smart bot17:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about smart bot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi17:28
Amonxzwhere can i find themes for hardy17:28
Amonxzplease i want to know17:28
rskAmonxz: gnome themes webpage17:28
bts3685ubotu: botsnack17:28
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!17:28
tijayz=)17:29
Clintegerhmm17:29
Clintegeri think I broke ubuntu lmao17:29
Amonxzcan i give me the link?17:29
Amonxzcanu17:31
Amonxzcan u ?17:31
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seamus7Is the RC pretty much the final product minus a few bugs .. or will there likely be a RC2?17:35
mopheadHey Hardy Heroners - I've got a quick question about the updater thingy.  I tried to update and got this error: http://pastebin.com/d22a3405217:35
mopheadAny ideas?17:35
bts3685mophead: two things.17:35
bts3685one, do a df -h and let me know if you're out of space17:36
seamus7mophead: are running out of space17:36
kevin__has wine been working alright for people under hardy?17:36
bts3685if not, there's a directive in /etc/apt/apt.conf (IIRC, can't remember exact location) that specifies the size of the cache. increase that.17:36
benobokevin working well 4 me17:36
kevin__i read on the wine sight that there might be an issue with pulse audio, so i was wondering17:36
tijayzAnyone with ideas on resume device?17:36
mopheadbts3685: /dev/sda2             7.8G  7.8G     0 100% /17:37
seamus7another question: does FF3 have support for the delicious bookmarking extension yet?17:37
benoboi don't use any audio under wine, so can't say there17:37
bts3685mophead: yup. i'd say you're full.17:37
mopheadhow do I fix that?17:37
bts3685seamus7: there's some experimental ones17:37
bts3685mophead: temporarily, delete logs and temp files17:37
bts3685( rm -rf /var/log/* and rm -rf /tmp)17:38
bts3685but this is not an advisable solution. i'd recommend you move to a larger harddrive.17:38
seamus7bts3685 I had heard of an alpha for the delicious ext but hoped it'd be ready by now17:38
bts3685seamus7: was alpha as of three days ago...i doubt it's beta yet17:38
mopheadbts3685: rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp': Device or resource busy17:40
jbroome_1don't remove /tmp/, remove what's in it.17:40
mopheadbts3685: is this a partitioning program?17:40
jbroome_1rm -rf /tmp/*17:40
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bts3685oh. right. you'll need to be in a live disc like knoppix, grml, or system rescue cd17:40
seamus7another question: when upgrading to Hardy through update manager should I first move all my hidden files and directories in my home folder out of the way so that they are recreated fresh? I have home in its own partition but am currently too lazy to do a full reinstall.17:40
bts3685mophead: no, rm = remove. aka delete17:41
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mopheadI just got it17:41
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tijayzone of the best things in ubntu and pretty muchh any linux. About-to-fail-harddrive? Buy a new one, create a partition, rsync file system from the old one to new one, install grub and linux is working again17:41
edoceodid anyone else have konqueror start flaking out with the latest updates?17:42
tijayzbut still Resume device cannot be found :(17:42
mopheadbts3685: I just had two geeks repartition my machine... I wonder how it could be full.17:43
bts3685mophead: repartition != bigger harddrive17:43
mopheadbut the harddrive is not full17:44
mopheadthe only thing full is sda217:44
daekdroomCould someone help me? Every boot the system locks up in a black screen, and I need to re-try about 2 or 3 times to get to X.17:44
mopheadbts3685: http://pastebin.com/d965137e17:44
bts3685mophead: sda2 is where ubuntu "lives"17:44
edoceodaekdroom: can you switch to alternate console and see interesting messages?17:45
daekdroomNo. I tried that before.17:45
bts3685think of it like a house that you build a wall in the middle of, and have a family living on opposite sides. when a family fills up one side, it doesn't fill up the whole house17:45
benobosince last updates i can't mount my ntfs drive, is this an issue or is it me?17:45
daekdroomI noticed everytime I leave the system at splash screen it never completes boot. If I switch to alternate consoles during splash screen it MIGHT boot.17:45
mopheadbts3685: my geeks put up the walls too close :(17:45
edoceoCan you start in recovery, then manually start X ok?17:45
bts3685mophead: i'd agree. ~9gb is not enough.17:46
mopheadbts3685: about how large does sda2 need to be?17:46
bts3685ooh, ~8 rather17:46
mopheadThey had said they would make it 10 gb17:46
bts3685mophead: should be 15 or so17:46
daekdroomedoceo: Might that be related to the fglrx module?17:46
bts368520 would be better17:46
mopheadhmm... ok17:46
seamus7Hi all, I have /home in its own partition but will just upgrade to Hardy via update-manager .. is it best practice to remove all configuration directories/files from my home account before the upgrade?17:46
bts3685seamus7: why would you do that?17:47
seamus7bts3685 allow the upgraded system to recreate all the config files anew in order to have a cleaner installation17:47
bts3685seamus7: well, okay, but you'll lose all your firefox settings/bookmarks, email (if you use pop), etc.17:48
bts3685they should survive the upgrade without any problem17:48
seamus7bts3685 I would just move all the important directories/files into temp directory and move them back in once the upgrade went smoothly17:49
lup0seamus7: wouldn't you reach the same goal by deleting the config files from your home dir after upgrade?17:49
lup0seamus7: the upgrade itself doesn't manipulate configs in your home dir17:50
bts3685lup0: +117:50
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mopheadbrts3685: so you would say that the solution would be to repartition sda 2 to at least 15GB?17:51
Nubaedarn, I cant get my machine to boot up RC hardy from the CDROM drive no matter what I try17:52
NubaeI've made 3 copies17:52
NubaeI've checked md5sum17:52
maneyLTS upgrade considered to suck17:52
Nubaeis there some easy way to make an iso onto a usbstick?17:52
mopheadmaney: considered to suck?17:52
maneydoes anyone really upgrade multiple desktop installs with this thing?17:52
maneysince the CLI tool doesn't even try17:53
peter77I see the hibernate/ suspend still doesn't work in heron17:53
seamus7lup0 bts3685 after the upgrade isn't there a chance that some app might find the old config files in my home director set up  improperly due to some unforeseen change? isn't that why some people just wipe / and start completely anew? I'm just being lazy and don't want to wipe / but want to avoid any even minor conflicts...17:53
friedtreei installed hardy today from the RC and it works great.  no problems, flash even isn't crashing my firefox.  i'm happy.17:53
peter77nor does the headphone switch (when headphones in speakers do NOT mute)17:53
maneyso, yeah, having to babysit it so as to tell it not to trash the config files at multiple points deep inside an hour-long update sucks hugely17:54
Nubaewell, probably an issue with my cdrom drive, is there some easy way to write to usb stick?17:54
peter77and zealots wonder why windows xp has 99.9% of the market :-(17:54
mopheadpeter77: What I did was muts "front" and leave my speakers plugged in17:54
mopheadpeter77: but I agree, there's stuff left to straighten out17:54
bts3685seamus7: linux distro upgrades are *designed* to avoid starting fresh17:54
Some_Personhow come it says "Opening 0 Items" in the taskbar when firefox is opening?17:54
mopheadpeter77: mute, not "muts"17:54
Nubaemine hangs at Loading Linux Kernel and is at 100%17:55
friedtreeNubae, www.pendrivelinux.com has instructions for loading gutsy on a usb drive.  i am not sure how that might be different for hardy, it might be cause of the persistant file system mode, they offer a file to use for this, not sure if it should be the same for hardy, but it works ok for gutsy maybe you can figure it out17:55
peter77mophead, yeah that works, but its easier if it does it automatically as it should17:55
orvokkiEek, the hibernation bug still exists?17:55
mopheadpeter77: gutsy didn't do that17:55
peter77mophead gutsy did do that17:55
NubaeI dont care about persistence, just want to write RC hardy to a usb stick to install17:55
orvokkiI'd call that a good reason to postpone the release.17:55
mopheadpeter77: clarification: gutsy didn't do that for *me*17:56
maneyorvokki: I wouldn't.  I don't care a rat's ass about laptop hibernation :-/17:56
bts3685seamus7: if you're so worried about it, make a backup of them. but i'm telling you, you can leave them in place and it shouldn't even touch them17:56
seamus7bts3685 OK I just needed to hear it again ... I always get this way before doing an upgrade .. I need people to tell me "it's gonna be okay" .. and it always is :)17:56
mopheadmaney: it is, though, a basic feature for a laptop and it should do it without a problem17:56
maneyOTOH I doubt you'd agree with me that having to use the GUI update tool was a huge problem, so it balances out17:56
peter77mophead, there is a fix for the hibernation and suspend, the headphone problem I have had problems fixing17:57
orvokkimaney: At one point going to hibernation in Hardy completely trashed your system so you had to repair it off a livecd.17:57
maneymophead: and upgrading shouldn't require sitting in front of the machien for an hour17:57
orvokkiIf it's still like that, it's dangerous to release yet.17:57
bts3685orvokki: that isn't "completely trashing" a system. trashing your system = reinstall17:57
Some_PersonOMG, is bug 99508 fixed?!?!?!?!?!?!17:57
mopheadmaney: hehe, touche17:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9950817:57
orvokkibts3685: Trashing your system so it can't boot?17:57
orvokkiPlus filesystem corruption?17:58
bts3685orvokki: would you say the same about windows' famous MBR problems?17:58
peter77tempted to go back to suse as my past experience was novell is very good at supporting hardware :-)17:58
bts3685when all it takes is booting to your windows disk and fixmbr?17:58
orvokkibts3685: It's a LTS version, for God's sake.17:59
bts3685orvokki: it's BETA.17:59
orvokkibts3685: It's a release candidate.17:59
orvokkiYou're lagging behind.17:59
bts3685rc != release. it means "hey, this is a pretty close mockup"17:59
orvokkiRelease candidate is out already and if there are still big issues, release should be postponed.17:59
edoceodaekdroom: have to look at X logs to determine where the error is, lines start with 'EE:'17:59
maney'scuse me, i have to walk to the far end of the building and see if the upgrade is sitting there doing nothing waiting for me to press return again18:00
bts3685orvokki: then why are you saying it here and not in the mailing lists? are you filing bug reports? if not, you can't complain.18:01
mopheadhave any of you guys been to ubuntubrainstorm.com ?18:01
orvokkibts3685: I don't have the issues. Apparently peter77 does.18:01
alexandre_Hi ! I have a problem with  "administration > User and group" I try to add an group put then I only have a group with a blank name appear in the list (I did of course enter a name). Is it broken ??18:01
orvokkibts3685: I just said that it's a realistic option.18:01
Nubaecan someone please tell me an easy way to write an iso to a usbstick (dont need persistence) just to install off18:02
bts3685orvokki: well, did you ask HIM if he filed a bug report?18:02
peter77bts3685, bug reports already exist18:02
bts3685peter77: links?18:02
peter77bts3685, if I remember pre fiesty :-O18:02
orvokkibts3685: I've heard of the issue before and afaik it was reported then.18:02
maneyOMG, it's made it to the initramfs stage - it may actually finish today18:02
peter77google ubuntu hibernate bug18:02
romuloyo, i just updated my hardy and epiphany is no longer working, is anyone having this too?18:02
peter77long list of bugs18:02
bts3685bug reports do not and should not traverse releases; they're different releases for a reason. heck, they've got entirely different kernel version sets.18:03
maneyunrepaired bugs certainly should be carried over - anything else would be stupid18:04
bts3685unrepaired bugs should be /refiled/18:04
orvokkiA bug doesn't also magically disappear from kernel without being fixed.18:04
bts3685orvokki: you're missing my point, here- releases vary in great and many ways from each other18:04
maneyoh well... I'm just glad I haven't made waves pushing for replacing our creaky XP setup with Ubuntu at work - this LTS upgrade would have been the end of that job18:05
topyliromulo: define "not working"18:05
topyliepiphany's bookmark system is broken, i know that much18:05
romulotopyli, i type one url (any) and it stays loading it forever, never shows it18:06
romulofirefox works just fine, thats weird =P18:06
Some_PersonWhy does it say "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?18:06
coolcan i Use Flash Disk to Install Ubuntu on Harddisk Instead of CD, is yes then how?18:06
topyliromulo: my epiphany loads pages ok18:06
romulowell, just wanted to be sure18:06
romulogoing to reconfigure mine18:06
maney...though I suppose reimaging hundreds of Ubuntu boxes wouldn't be any worse than reimaging hundreds of XP boxes.  wouldn't be any better, though, which is the rub18:07
* maney goes to lunch18:07
orvokkicool: Depends on your motherboard.18:07
orvokkiOr actually rather depends on the BIOS support.18:07
coolorvokki, whats the procedure, in boot menu there is a option to boot from ZIP drives18:08
coolso how do i make Drive bootable18:08
usarhi18:11
one_Hello everyone.18:11
usarso, hardy hardon will really release with a firefox 3 *beta*?18:11
orvokkiYes, it will.18:11
usarwill that be fixed in hardy hardon .1 or something?18:11
Derspanksterusar: It that so? haven't heard that.18:11
one_If I upgrade hardy through "sudo apt-get upgrade" will i need to edit grub?18:11
orvokkiHardy Heron if you may.18:11
usarThat's what I said. Hardy Hardon.18:12
* orvokki eyerolls18:12
orvokki!language18:12
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.18:12
Some_PersonDoes anyone know why it says "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?18:13
mopheadlmao18:13
mopheadusar: read the line again, closer18:13
romulotopyli, after removing ~/.gnome2/epiphany directory and restarting it it worked18:13
usarIt's not my fault it has such a suggestive name :(18:13
romulo=p18:13
orvokkiusar: It does not have a suggestive name.18:13
mopheadread. it. *closer*18:13
usarsure it does18:13
usarhardy allone is suggestive enough18:13
usarbut Hardy Hardon? I mean, common!18:14
topyli"hardly"18:14
mopheadI think from now on, that is the name of the distro18:14
hydrogenhardon is offensive language?..18:14
mopheadI have to go mamke a wallpaper18:14
orvokkihydrogen: Tentatively.18:14
hydrogenusar: I think hardly a hardon is more appropriate!18:14
topylii suggest you all leave that to the schoolyard and keep it out of ubuntu channels18:15
zubI'm having some issues with nvidia binary driver - used to work with kernel 2.6.24-12-generic, but doesn't work in 24-14 and 24-16.18:15
orvokkizub: Which one of those?18:15
zubIs that a known issue, or I just **** something? :)18:15
zubyou mean which nvidia driver?18:15
orvokkinvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx-legacy?18:15
topyliyay blobs18:16
usarso, ok, back to business. Is it known if firefox 3 finals will be added in a later update to hardy hardon?18:16
zubI think -new, but if I recall well, I just used the "for noobs" gui tool18:16
orvokki!info nvidia-glx18:16
ubotunvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 3762 kB, installed size 12040 kB18:16
orvokki!info nvidia-glx-new18:16
ubotunvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.12-16.34)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.12-16.34 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15256 kB18:16
mophead!language > usar18:16
usarmophead: what?18:17
mopheadyou know what, never mind.18:17
orvokkizub: Hmm. Do you have restricted modules installed for your kernel?18:17
zubwell, despite being long term slackware user, I seem to be quite lost with ubuntu18:17
zubmight happen I don't18:18
zubI'll investigate with apt18:18
usarzub: or at least with the Hardy Hardon18:18
orvokkiYeah, sorry. Wonder what's the fastest way to check.18:18
friedtreeusar, take your gutter talk elsewhere18:18
zubwell, right now, if in grub I boot 2.6.24-14-generic, then all works18:18
zubhuh, 2.6.24-12, sorry18:18
orvokkiRight, and when you try the other kernel (which kernel is it) it doesn't?18:18
usarfriedtree: I though this was the right place to talk about Hardy Hardon? I was sent here from #ubuntu...18:19
zubyes (2.6.24-14-generic and 2.6.24-16-generic)18:19
orvokkiusar: There is no Hardy Hardon, only Hardy Heron.18:19
Nubaehihi18:19
usarorvokki: ORLY18:19
orvokkizub: You might make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed.18:19
orvokkiIt should install them to all generic kernels you have.18:20
zuborvokki: thank you, I'll try18:20
orvokkiYou might be lacking the kernel modules for the newer kernels and only have the actual X.org driver.18:21
Some_PersonDoes anyone know why it says "Opening 0 items" when firefox is opening?18:21
orvokkiHrm, Nvidia driver for X.org even.18:21
slayer^_^Hi, does anyone know if it is finally possible to use ndiswrapper on hardy? that would solve all my problems, thanx18:21
mopheadis it a common ubuntu+1 problem to have youtube play ten seconds of a video and stop?18:22
usarSome_Person: well, hardy hardon does come with a firefox 3 beta, might want to install a stable version fitting the 'LTS' philosophy18:22
orvokkimophead: Sounds like a Flash problem. As to if it's common, I don't know.18:22
Some_Personusar: i used ff3beta on gutsy, and never got that before18:23
orvokkiCheck bug tracker.18:23
tomd123mophead: all flash on ff3beta is really buggy, mine crashes randomly on different pages containing flash18:23
mopheadwhere is that again?18:23
Some_Personflash working here18:23
orvokkihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu Somewhere around here, I think.18:23
coolHow to install Syslinux, i am installing  FromUSBStick as described here ==> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick18:23
usarSome_Person: doesn't mean that hardy's hardon didn't fuck you there, mate18:24
mopheadtomd: so it's a ff3 problem, not a hardy problem18:24
jussio1!ohmy | usar18:24
ubotuusar: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.18:24
tomd123mophead: I didn't say it was an ubuntu problem :P18:24
Some_Personusar: dont swear, and dont insult me or hardy18:24
mopheadtomd123: I know, I asked if it was an ubuntu problem18:25
mopheadsome_person: /ignore usar18:25
NW2190Hi, anyone know of any good docks for GNOME?18:25
Some_Personthank you, mophead18:25
tomd123mophead: oh, if you put a18:25
orvokkimophead: Or just complain to ops.18:25
tomd123? at the end I would have known :-D18:25
ConstyIs there a way to fix the darklooks theme add on installed through the repositories? It's showing up as a different theme in the theme browser18:25
slayer^_^Hi, does anyone know if it is finally possible to use ndiswrapper on hardy? that would solve all my problems, thanx18:26
orvokkislayer^_^: What's prevented you from using it before Hardy?18:26
usardoes hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?18:26
mopheadsome_person: no problem18:26
mopheadtomd123: pardon?18:26
tomd123mophead: you said that you were asking me, so I said that without a ? it sounded like you were stating something18:27
mopheadahh18:28
slayer^_^orvokki : i use ndiswrapper with gutsy, i can't use it with hardy18:28
orvokkiAh.18:28
slayer^_^orvokki : there's the ssb conflict, you know...18:28
slayer^_^orvokki : and the only way my broadcom works properly is ndiswrapper!18:28
orvokkiB43 doesn't work for you? Well, you can always blacklist it and go back to ndiswrapper.18:29
usardoes hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?18:29
slayer^_^orvokki : i would like doing that ! but there's a stoopid bug that prevents me using ndiswrapper18:29
orvokkiAh. :/18:29
slayer^_^orvokki : i tried the modprobe -r tricks that i found around the web18:29
slayer^_^orvokki : however NO WAY ndiswrapper works18:30
orvokkislayer^_^: Did you do the blacklist and b43 removal first, btw?18:30
slayer^_^orvokki : sure i did18:30
slayer^_^i blacklisted ssb too18:30
slayer^_^if you search the forums everyone has troubles using ndiswrapper18:30
slayer^_^so i wanted to know if there are news and the bug has been fixed18:31
orvokkiHmm. I wouldn't know. I don't have an x86 machine with broadcom wifi.18:31
theuser1using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the ubuntu os, error message i get is  unable to read from image block 0  ,       g4l uses   partiimage   and that uses  the dd comand i   think.....              any help?18:32
usardoes hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?18:32
hydrogenyou already asked that18:32
slayer^_^DARN18:32
hydrogentwice18:32
hydrogenstop spamming18:32
usarhydrogen: yeah, well, I got no answer. and since I last asked it, several new people who might be willing/able to answer the question have joined the channel18:33
hydrogenusar: and 382 people were still here that have now seen you ask it three times in the last 5 minutes18:34
mopheadhey everyone: /ignore usar it's easy!18:35
usarhydrogen: I seem to have trouble understanding why reading a sentence more than once is so painful18:35
hydrogenusar: It runs other peoples questions off the screen18:36
orvokkimophead: Ubuntu channels have rules, you don't need to resort to that.18:36
mopheadorvokki: what do you mean resort?  it's easy!18:36
mopheadeasy!18:36
orvokkimophead: Easier than calling the o-word?18:37
usarhydrogen: more like 'creep'18:37
murlidhari have mounted the alternate cd to /media/cdrom0   now what18:38
usarhydrogen: the discussion you started about it already took up way more screenspace then my continuing asking would have18:38
orvokkimophead: I don't want to bother them without a reason. :)18:38
hydrogenusar: only because you refuse to follow the rules of the channel..18:38
mopheadorvokki: bother who?  and I"m not sure what the o-word is18:38
orvokkimophead: Ops. :P18:38
hydrogenanyways... will my having a custom kernel cause the upgrade from gutsy->hardy to be any more difficult?18:39
theuser1using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the ubuntu os, error message i get is  unable to read from image block 0  ,       g4l uses   partiimage   and that uses  the dd comand i   think.....              any help?18:39
usardoes hardy hardon finally make use of upstart proper or does it still just use it to emulate old sysv style init?18:39
hydrogen!patience | usar18:40
ubotuusar: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines18:40
murlidhari have mounted the alternate cd to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso   now what18:40
usar!stfu | hydrogen18:40
ubotuhydrogen: Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.18:40
hydrogenubotu: you pointed that in the wrong direction my robotic friend :(18:41
bts3685ubotu: no botsnack for you!18:41
mopheadaww, but he's trying!18:41
bts3685ohhh okay. true.18:42
murlidharanybody?18:42
Trewasusar: afaik it still works just like the old init system, I'd guess nothing will change until debian changes to upstart18:42
murlidhari have mounted the alternate cd to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso18:42
usarTrewas: which will be never18:42
Trewasusar: well, there might be some slight possibility now that fedora started using it...18:42
usarTrewas: but ok, makes sense. waiting for debian to do the real groundwork like they always do 8)18:43
murlidhar!offtopic18:43
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!18:43
wastrelplease join #debian and act like you're acting here.18:43
wastrelsee how fast you're banned18:43
suriromurlidhar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation18:43
usarwastrel: they don't have a relase called hardy hardon :(18:43
theuser1 can any one recomend an easy to use utilitiy that can make image of a partition for backup and can support compression?18:43
hydrogentrolly troll is trolly18:44
tomd123usar: are you trying to be annoying? please say yes18:44
usartomd123: no, I am just a concerned citizen18:44
wastrelconcerned citizen == troll  for the most part in my experience18:44
wastrelat least in IRC context18:44
orvokkiYeah, was going to make the addition.18:45
Clinteger*sigh* have to download like 500mb just from the last beta i downloaded to the RC18:45
murlidharsuriro, it gives nothing regarding the upgrade from a mounted iso file18:45
usarClinteger: that's the hardy hardon way!18:45
murlidhari have mounted the alternate cd iso file to /home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso18:45
orvokkiClinteger: Hmm, didn't update for quite a while then?18:46
Clintegerwell18:46
ClintegerI downloaded a beta, but I didnt think it was that old lmao18:46
tomd123usar:  are you a mercenary hired by M$ to annoy users of Ubuntu?18:46
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Clintegeroh orvokki, its from the 9th lol18:47
orvokkiClinteger: You'd have needed to update regurarly - like every few days - to keep up. Packages are still released quite fast in beta phase.18:47
Clintegerorvokki, well, I just installed it again :p18:47
unicumis there any word as on when there'll be drivers actually supporting the >broadcom 4328 wifi chipset< ??18:47
orvokkiAs b43 official site lists it as unsupported, no.18:48
murlidharunicum, afaik though i am sure they are included in the latest kernel18:48
usartomd123: nah, I am a UNIX user who just wants to find out about Hardy Hardon18:48
orvokkimurlidhar: Not that chipset.18:48
murlidharthanks orvokki for the info18:49
unicummurlidhar negative, i'm using the latest kernel18:49
unicumafaik18:49
orvokkihttp://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported18:49
usarso, where's the new theme promissed for hardy hardon? :(18:49
wastrelhardy heron18:50
unicumorvokki think this will change?18:50
wastrelubuntu releases are named for animals18:50
wastrela heron is a kind of bird18:50
murlidharunicum, this is not in the hands of ubuntu18:50
unicumit's really disturbing having to use those sh*tt* windows drivers on a macbook18:50
usarwastrel: and a hardon is a kind of snake I guess?18:50
wastrelit's not a kind of snake, it's a slang term for an erect penis18:50
orvokkiunicum: Can't tell. It will change when b43 developers manage to write support. Keep a track on them.18:50
unicummurlidhar meaning it's in the hands of broadcom or what?18:50
orvokkiNono.18:50
usarwastrel: you don't say18:50
unicumi shall have to18:50
orvokkiNot broadcom but b43 developers.18:51
murlidharunicum, its in the hands of kernel developers18:51
orvokkiWhen they get the drivers done, it will be incorporated to Linux kernel.18:51
unicumso that would be mister linus and his friends, right?18:51
hydrogenfollowing the upgrade instructions for kubuntu is not giving me a version update option..18:51
bts3685does !ops work in here?18:51
orvokkiunicum: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported Read.18:51
tomd123usar: why are you asking about themes, try some builtin ones or download some off the internet18:51
orvokkiAlso other pages on the site.18:51
orvokkibts3685: It should.18:51
usartomd123: well, I was looking forward to seeing the new theme for hardy hardon18:52
murlidhari have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????18:52
usartomd123: but I guess it got delayed until hardy hardon plus one?18:52
bts3685i give usar one more before we call ops on him then.18:52
murlidhari don[t want to burn it18:52
wastreltomd123: stop responding to usar, he's just trying to be provocative18:52
hydrogendon't feed the trolls people18:52
tomd123sry:-( how do you mute people in IRC?18:53
wastrelto put it more succinctly18:53
usarbts3685: will that be the hardy hardon ops?18:53
mopheadtomd123: /ignore usar18:53
basso_I wonder.. Why cant i configure Wireless or make it work when in KDE4?18:53
unicumanother question.. is there a way to actually drag the osx drivers into my linux, instead of ndiswrapping the windows drivers?18:54
tomd123mophead, I'm using pidgin, that doesn't work18:54
mopheadahh18:54
murlidhari have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????18:54
usarbasso_: well, hardy hardon only comes with a gamma of KDE4, that does not support wireless18:54
wastreltomd123: maybe right-click the nickname & check the menu18:54
murlidhar anybody  here who has the answer?18:54
usarmurlidhar: no you can go ahead installing hardy hardon! \o/18:54
hydrogenmm, as usual adept is unusable18:55
bts3685!ops usar trolling and behaving inappropriately18:55
hydrogenyay18:55
* murlidhar kicks usar for free in the a$$18:55
tomd123wastrel: thnx, I'm not used to right clicking -> ignore :P18:55
sailaway85Looking at files copied or win net.. Does ubuntu leave the files where they were and just load pointers in new directory?18:55
finalbetadamn, the new wine version totally breaks flashfxp for me.18:55
basso_usar: Thx for the easiest answer yet :D18:55
usar!stfu | bts368518:55
ubotubts3685: Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.18:55
sailaway85or =over18:56
hydrogen!ops18:56
ubotuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpatrick or jussi01!18:56
usartook you long enough18:56
hydrogenwell, channel emergency is a bit of an exageration :(18:56
bts3685hmm. i guess it doesn't take strings with it18:56
orvokkiNice response time. ^^18:56
Seveasso, what's going on here?18:57
hydrogenusar's just being a troll :(18:57
orvokkiJust a user spreading misinformation, trolling, using offensive language and the sorts.18:57
hydrogenand too many people are feeding him snacks18:57
Seveashow about bts3685 ? (didn't read backlog yet)18:57
hydrogenwasn't trolling18:58
zionpsyferbts3685 is fine.18:58
Seveask18:58
murlidharusar trolling and behaving inappropriately18:58
bts3685thanks guys, thanks Seveas :)18:58
py3k-erhello18:58
bhsxbah sorry bout that18:58
wastrelwasn't even that good a troll18:58
murlidharthanks Seveas18:58
Seveasnext time call !ops earlier if people are trolling. No need to let them disturb the channel18:59
mopheadbts3685: I'm off - thanks for the help with the partitioning stuff18:59
py3k-erThe latest stable version of the Linux kernel is  2.6.25   Which version of the Linux kernel does Ubuntu 8.04 have?18:59
HUSAHso, how about that hardy hardon?18:59
bhsxeverything seems very solid so far... i've been installing/reinstalling the beta for about a month...  i just did a fresh install from same beta and a dist-upgrade, installed the medibuntu stuff... and all seems perfect... well done18:59
bhsxi take it hardy is now on a total code freeze?19:00
hydrogenpy3k-er: I'm pretty sure it's going to use 2.6.2419:00
tomd123just to clear up my understanding, does the alternate cd have a minimal install, such that you can install only the command line interface, or is that just the server edition?19:00
TailsLinux2.6.24.x19:00
hydrogenbecause 2.6.25 was released a bit too late19:00
py3k-erhydrogen but we'll be able to update the kernel through apt-get right?19:00
hydrogennah19:00
hydrogenthe kernel doesn't get backported19:01
HUSAHpy3k-er: yeah, hardy hardon sure will use .24 it's lame that way :(19:01
hydrogenSeveas: ban evasion :(19:01
bhsxyou can always roll your own :)19:01
py3k-eri think this kernel freeze was made too soon19:01
TailsLinuxno you will need to compile it from kernel.org iirc19:01
Seveasnot anymore19:01
murlidhari have downloaded the alternate iso .   now what ?????19:01
bts3685teehee. usar was pwned.19:01
bts3685murlidhar: now you burn it!19:01
wastrelisn't it against freenode policy to misbehave while using a cloak?19:01
wastrelthe cloak can be taken away oui?19:02
hydrogenpy3k-er: It needed to happen by the rc19:02
wastreliono19:02
Seveaswastrel, it is always against freenode policy to misbehave19:02
wastrelnaturally19:02
murlidharbts3685, i have mounted it instead of burning19:02
wastrelbut more egregious when you're supposedly representing a group tha has a custom cloak19:02
murlidharbts3685, now what?19:02
wastrelweird cloak tho19:02
Asa_AWhat is a cloak on freenode?19:02
py3k-erhydrogen so i will not be able, in any way, to update to kernel 2.6.25 after i install ubuntu 8.04?19:02
bts3685murlidhar: ohhh that's right. are you trying to boot from flash; was that you?19:02
murlidharno19:02
orvokkiwastrel: Wasn't a cloak, really imo.19:02
orvokkiRather a webchat.19:03
wastrelAsa_A: like me, my hostmask is cloaked19:03
bts3685murlidhar: ah. what did you want to do then?19:03
hydrogenpy3k-er: you will be if you install it outside of the package management; it is a bit of work however19:03
murlidharbts3685, i want to use the ./cdromupgrade command work19:03
orvokkiI suppose the beginning, which Seveas banned, has his IPv4 address in hex-decimal form.19:03
Seveaswastrel, gateway/ isn't a cloak19:03
murlidharbts3685, it is giving errors19:03
wastreloic19:03
Seveasorvokki, correct. The ip address was banned as well19:03
py3k-erhydrogen is there any tutorial on how to achieve this upgrading of the linux kernel on ubuntu?19:03
Seveaschanserv.py rocks :)19:04
murlidharhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63763/19:04
bhsxactually, does anyone know of a good way to get hardy onto a 2gb flash drive and have persistence? (i.e., not just running the .iso off the flash?19:04
bhsxshould i just 'install it' to the flash drive do you think?19:04
hydrogenpy3k-er: yea... one minute19:05
sailaway85should I be changing to fat32 on windows users in network scenario19:05
hydrogenI'll try and dig it up19:05
TailsLinuxpy3k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/software/CustomKernel but, idk if it works with hardy19:05
py3k-erhydrogen okay19:05
hydrogenyea, that link19:06
hydrogenI have not tried it with hardy yet, however19:06
py3k-erit works with hardy as well?19:06
py3k-erhmmm19:06
py3k-eri don't wanna mess my OS19:06
py3k-erplease give a reliable tutorial19:07
TailsLinuxi am going to wait to see if they update the info19:07
hydrogenpy3k-er: I'm pretty sure there isn't one yet for hardy19:07
hydrogenwhy do you need 2.6.25?19:07
py3k-eromg this is too much work19:09
mnemohow can I print a list of all packages that I explicitly installed (using for example "sudo apt-get install XYZ") and thus NOT installed dependency packages nor pre-installed packages ???19:09
Asa_Adoes anyone here have any experience with mythtv on hardy? I followed the instructions here (http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv-on-hardy.html), but my frontend still doesn't get any sound.19:09
orvokkiHeh.19:09
DanaGOdd... I ran azureus under compiz, with a cardbus NIC, and didn't get a whole-OS lockup -- only Xorg locked, and I was able to SAK it.19:09
py3k-erhydrogen i like to have everything the latest version... call me pedantic, i don't mind ;)19:10
DanaGNormally, with my built-in NIC, I'd have gotten a complete hard-lockup.19:10
hydrogenpy3k-er: I would not worry about it for the kernel19:10
py3k-erhydrogen are there any .deb packages of the linux kernel made?19:11
DanaGOdd.... and now my GPU has dropped into crap mode.19:11
DanaGi.e. unaccelerated.19:11
DanaGThanks a lot, nvidia.19:11
orvokkiNvidia. <319:11
bardyrpy3k-er, what about the linux-image deb's ?19:13
wastreli have nvidia19:13
py3k-erbardyr come again?19:14
bardyr!info linux-image-generic19:15
ubotulinux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.16.18 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB19:15
Clintegerhmm19:15
py3k-eri would like for hardy to have the latest kernel19:16
ClintegerI need to upgrade to the latest RC, and doing a partial dist upgrade isnt working.. the first time, pkg d/l failed, but now the window's stuck open, but its all grey, like, the window border and everything, and i dont know the process to close it19:16
_Lucretia_I´ve just upgraded to hardy from gutsy, Iv´e changed my keyboard layout as it was wrong, but now I have to press some keys twice, i.e. ´ <- which should be apostrophe andd ~ and ¨19:16
_Lucretia_why?19:16
py3k-erthey should extend the fucking kernel freeze19:16
hydrogenpy3k-er: and risk a potential major bug in the release just so you can be OMGBLEDEINGEDGE?19:16
py3k-eryes19:17
zionpsyfer.....19:17
bts3685py3k-er: if you want bleeding edge, i'd recommend gentoo or slackware instead19:17
bts3685or even LFS19:17
py3k-eror even your stupid ass19:17
zub_Lucretia_: dead keys would behave like that (I mean dead keys in keymap)19:17
ArelisWhat's ccsm called in Hardy?19:17
tomd123py3k-er: don't get aggressive, if you really want to have the bleeding edge, why don't you compile the latest kernel and run that?19:18
zionpsyferor compiling your own would be even better if you're after bleeding edge19:18
zub_Lucretia_: does "setxkbmap us" change this issue?19:18
py3k-ershut up19:18
py3k-eri fucking hate linux!19:18
py3k-erbye19:18
tomd123py3k-er: did you say shut up because you can't compile your own kernel?19:18
zionpsyferusar returns?19:18
bts3685wow.19:18
zublol :))19:18
hydrogenmust be a full moon...19:18
_Lucretia_zub: I want a uk keyboard19:18
_Lucretia_keymap19:18
Asa_AArelis: I think its compizconfig-settings-manager19:19
tomd123wow, that was brutal, probably usar took over someone's computer :)19:19
bts3685you know, i can't believe i'm saying this, but some people really should not try to LEARN GNU/Linux and should just stick to using it.19:19
bts3685tomd123: yeah, man; usar is one 1337 hackar d00d19:19
zionpsyfersudo apt-get install exorcist > usar19:20
bts3685haha19:20
bts3685...19:20
zubwhat's the "correct" way to configure X in hardy? I know how would I do this by hand, but I don't want to interfere with some (suspected) automagical tool in ubuntu19:20
* bts3685 does an apt-cache search exorcist19:20
tomd123bts3685: I think that if you don't understand the behind the scenes action that take place, you won't fully appreciate the products you have.19:21
ArelisAsa_A: thanks, you were right.19:21
_Lucretia_zub: I get: setxkbmap uk    Error loading new keyboard description19:21
zubbasically... I have a damned nvidia gfx card (after having suffered a lot with ati)... worked fine with their blob, then it broke, I did apt-get install linux-restricted-modules19:21
_Lucretia_zub: ah, gb19:22
zubbut seems X still uses vesa or something19:22
bts3685tomd123: well, that's true to a point, but there are some people that are just really too impatient. you know? they think they'll become uber-leet haxor dudes and don't want to invest any time or energy actually /learning/ the stuff19:22
bts3685linux is like a chainsaw- you can do a LOT more with it compared to an axe, but you can't use it the same way. you need to learn how to handle it properly first and understand WHY it's different.19:23
tomd123bts3685: I think they just don't understand hard work. They got fed eyecandy with windows and now they don't want maincourse :P19:24
scarygaryDoes anyone know if there's a patch available for the native rt2870(D-link DWA-140) driver to make it compile in hardy?19:25
bts3685oooh, better analogy19:25
murlidharhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63763/19:25
murlidharanybody?19:25
sailaway85is running kde & gnome ok? or am I due for a reinstall ?19:25
alarmoHello, everyone.19:26
bts3685murlidhar: read the second line. the file doesn't exist. i'm not sure if that's the cdromupgrade script or if it's because you're missing a component.19:26
bts3685sailaway85: no, that's perfectly fine19:27
alarmoHey, guys...19:27
alarmoHow can I reconfigure my video settings in Hardy's XOrg ?19:27
alarmodpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only gives me keyboard options...19:27
sailaway85bts3685: Lot of better apps in kde ...19:27
murlidharbts3685, the file is there19:29
murlidharbts3685, i just cross checked it19:29
bts3685sailaway85: i'm a gnome user, and i agree. :( i feel like we're left out19:29
sailaway85bts3685: can import wallpapers the same though ... whats offered sucks19:29
bts3685murlidhar: i'd need to see the actual script then19:29
bts3685sailaway85: can you? yeah, totally. they're just PNG gfx19:29
murlidharbts3685, ok one second19:29
sailaway85The sound and video is lame in gnome compared to ked19:30
tomd123murlidhar: the 2nd line has a mispelling. shouldn't it be one slash instead of 2 in the hardy.tar.gz?19:30
peter77The speakers on my Toshiba satellite pro A120 do not mute when I insert my headphones into the jack, is there a fix available?19:30
tomd123murlidhar: that's got to be your problem19:30
tomd123murlidhar: unless your file is named "/hardy.tar.gz" :P19:31
_Lucretia_what's the name of the program to set up the X server?19:31
tomd123xorgcfg?19:31
_Lucretia_nah19:31
sailaway85bts3685: typo can  s/b can't... I havent figured it out yet in kde wallpapers19:31
bts3685tomd123: in which case the path would have to be ...foo.../\/hardy.tar.gz19:31
alarmo_Lucretia_, if you find out, please let me know... I'm looking for the same stuff19:31
orvokkidpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver?19:32
_Lucretia_when I installed hardy gdm (or something) started a gui app where I could select drivers etc19:32
murlidhartomd123, actually it is a script that has come with the alternate cd , i didn't change it19:32
murlidharbts3685, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63769/19:32
_Lucretia_Package `xorg-xserver' is not installed and no info is available19:32
bts3685sailaway85: i THINK they're somewhere in /var/lib19:32
orvokki_Lucretia_: xserver-xorg then?19:32
alarmo_Lucretia_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... but here it only gives me keyboard stuff19:32
* _Lucretia_ is trying to get accelerated fglrx19:32
Exilantuse restricted manager19:33
Clintegerhey, I'm running hardy and my wireles card intel 2200bg doesn't seem to turn on.. it was working for a bit but then it shut off and now it wont go on19:33
Exilantor edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf19:33
_Lucretia_Exilant: how?19:33
sailaway85bts3685: checkout ---> wallpaper nexus... incredible19:33
cooli have installed syslinux on Flash drive & copied all Ubuntu files on it from iso. But when i boot through it. i get a "boot: " promt. what is missing here?19:34
tomd123murlidhar: looks like theres a mispelling because i doubt there is a file called "/hardy.tar.gz"19:34
Exilant_Lucretia_: well, add/replace fglrx as driver19:34
tomd123murlidhar: try change the script to point to the exact location of the file19:34
alarmoExilant, won't it overwrite my config on update, if I hand edit it ?19:35
murlidhartomd123, u mean the script of alternate cd that i have downloaded from ubuntu.com has a mispelling ?19:35
_Lucretia_Exilant: I've added the fglrx driver, it's downloaded, I've rebooted, it's installed (a la lsmod), but I've got 1) the wrong keymap (which can be fixed with setxkbmap gb, 2) indirect gl19:35
Exilantit will ask you19:35
Exilantso fireglconfig still gives you mesa?19:36
alarmowell... going to test my new Xorg stuff then... I was avoiding editing it because I thought it would be overwritten19:36
Exilantum sorry, fglrxinfo?19:36
tomd123murlidhar: I don't know, if the actual path doesn't have 2 slashes then I would try changing it, make a back up of the files just in case :P19:36
sailaway85vmware  .. someone in here told me not to run if I dont have a v type cpu ... seems like vmware doesn't use?19:37
bts3685yeah, looks like the script has a trailing slash19:37
tomd123murlidhar: have fun submitting a bug report :P19:38
Clintegeris there a problem with samba shares in 8.04 beta/19:38
tomd123I don't exactly know how ubuntu handles easy bugs, would you just submit the fix to someone and it would work out?19:39
murlidhartomd123, naah each time i submit a bug report it turns out that it is working for everybody but me19:39
tomd123lol k19:40
murlidhartomd123, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63769/  here is the script19:40
Asa_Asailaway85: by v type cpu do you mean one with hardware acceleration? vmware can run with or without it, it obviously just runs better if you do have it.19:40
bts3685lots better19:41
alarmohmmm does anyone know of a way to painlessly install xorgconfig in 8.04 beta19:41
Asa_Asailaway85: there are some other virtual machene packages available in Ubuntu, I recommend virtualbox-ose19:41
alarmo(sorry for no question Mark... but this thing now borked my keyboard mapping)19:42
sailaway85Asa_A: visualization cpu ... thanks cause vmware is now running like a dream... seems more stable than vbox19:42
Lunar_LampCDs will mount fine in my DVD drive, but when I insert a DVD it tells me they are blank discs - what;s going on?19:43
tomd123murlidhar: try http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63770/19:43
tomd123I just removed the extra / in upgrader_dir19:43
alarmo_Lucretia_, had any luck there19:44
tomd123murlidhar: I would backup the files its working with though, I didn't actually test it :P19:44
zubhm, why does modprobe nvidia complain "Error running install command for nvidia"?19:44
zubseems to me like it was trying to day more thing than just to load the module19:45
zubs/day/do way/19:45
tomd123murlidhar: I'm pretty sure that will work though19:45
orvokkizub: Are you sure it's not already loaded?19:45
kaminixIs there anyway to boost the signal from between my laptop and my wireless router?19:45
Clintegerhmm. i cant access any samba shares in hardy :(19:45
zublsmod doesn mention that19:45
bts3685kaminix: not really legally in the US.19:46
murlidhartomd123, so is it better to burn it and then see ?19:46
kaminixI know it has been higher, but now it's on max 1mbit 50% signal strenght.19:46
tomd123murlidhar: did the script work though?19:46
bts3685kaminix: ahhh. are you using a eeepc?19:46
murlidhartomd123, will check19:46
zuborvokki: I tried insmod, it complains about unknown symbols :-/19:47
zionpsyferDid I read someone mention issues with wine in hardy?  How serious do they appear to be?19:47
sailaway85CLinteger: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide19:47
zubbut it's in 2.6.24-16, and uname -a spis 2.6.24-1619:47
tomd123kaminix: get a larger antenna/better adapter or router, that's all I can think of, or just go closer to your router19:47
zubaha, maybe some dependancy19:47
Clintegersailaway85, what does that have to do with samba?19:47
murlidhartomd123, i cannot save it since it is mounted19:48
sailaway85Clinteger: setup samba and config file sequence19:48
Clintegersailaway85 well thats totally the wrong link, and could you elaborate how to configure the file sequence, please?19:49
Clintegeri've done sudo apt-get install samba19:49
sailaway85Cliinteger: give me a second19:49
tomd123murlidhar: save what?19:50
Ramunashello, I only get 2.6MB/s read speed from my card reader with a CF card in it, I think its a bit too slow, any ideas?19:50
Clintegerwel.19:50
Clintegerwell*.19:50
murlidhartomd123, script19:50
Clintegerit appears there was just a kernel panic.19:50
Clintegerwireless driver :19:50
sailaway85Clinteger: sorry heres the right leink    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20260519:50
murlidhartomd123, since it is mounted , it cannot be edited19:51
Clintegerthanks sailaway8519:51
tomd123murlidhar: I think I found your problem19:52
tomd123read the WARNING in the comments section of the script19:52
murlidhargo on19:52
Ergo^evening19:52
Ergo^do we have in hardy RC simple ccsm for compiz or the normal compiz configurator ?19:52
tomd123murlidhar: you're supposed to call it with an absolute path, ie, /cdrom/cdromupgrade you called it with ./cdromupgrade19:53
sailaway85Clinteger: dont give samba a file path thats existing or a users home or you will get  errors when logging in19:53
tomd123so try the script with the absolute path19:53
Asa_AErgo^: try simple-ccsm19:53
murlidhartomd123, ok i give a try19:54
Asa_Athe normal config is compizconfig-settings-manager19:54
kaminixbts3685: Nope, laptop. The signal strength is limiting it to 1mbit. I'm starting to think something's wrong with the router.19:55
kaminixApparently they had 'Signal strength: low' on my parents computer too.19:55
murlidhartomd123, root@murlidhar-desktop:/home/murlidhar/Desktop/iso# ./cdromupgrade19:55
sailaway85Clinteger: samba puts its profile in its directory19:55
kaminixWheras it's usually 'high'19:55
murlidhartomd123, i am inside the folder19:56
tomd123murlidhar: don't use ./cdromupgrade use the absolute path! like instead of ./myfile, use /home/name/myfile19:56
zubhuh, so I'm up and running, at least as for the nvidia blob issue :)19:57
zubbasically, depmod -a did the thing19:57
murlidhartomd123, :)))))))19:57
murlidharworked!!!19:58
murlidhartomd123, thanks19:58
MTecknologyso... what do I do if I want to install a Beryl theme?19:58
tomd123murlidhar: np19:59
murlidhar:) i was breaking my head19:59
tomd123scripts can do that :P19:59
shawnrNeed help soundcard, not recognized after installing/uninstalling modem driver20:00
ffmAnyone here care to confirm bug 219407 (firefox bug)? It seriously takes less than 20 seconds, and there may be cake in your future... </cake>20:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 219407 in firefox-3.0 "REGRESSION: Firefox does not process some downloads properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21940720:00
ShackJackAnyone else's firefox 3 being naughty... Mine's maxing out my CPU/load even though top and system monitor say it isn't...20:00
bts3685ffm: the cake is a LIE20:00
ffmbts3685: Yes, we all know. Now care to look a the bug?20:00
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MTecknologyis it ok to install beryl in 8.04 and still use compiz?20:01
ShackJackMTecknology: No need to install beryl these days...20:02
MTecknologyShackJack, what about beryl themes?20:02
MTecknologythat's all i care about20:02
ShackJackYou mean emerald themes? They run on compiz - just have to install emerald...20:02
orvokkiCompiz-fusion == fusion between old Beryl and old Compiz.20:02
orvokkiAnd Compiz-fusion is the thing used nowadays.20:02
ShackJackMTecknology: and add the usual emerald --replace to your startup, etc...20:02
MTecknologyk, ty20:03
Ergo^Asa_A: last time i had beta - normal ccsm wasnt enabling the "custom" setting for visuals20:03
zubI'm having problems with virtualbox on hardy20:03
ShackJackSo anyone here having issues with Firefox maxing out the CPU?20:03
Ergo^i had to use simple ccsm20:03
murlidharMTecknology, yes beryl themes can be managed by emerald theme manager20:03
zubseems the vboxdrv module is gone; is it in virtualbox package, or in some other?20:03
bts3685ShackJack: which cpu?20:03
murlidharMTecknology, for more info join #compiz20:03
MTecknologyty20:03
ShackJackbts3685: It seems both... it seems to be related to FF though top and system monitor say they aren't maxede when looking20:03
shawnrAny one help with sound card20:04
bts3685ShackJack: ..no, i meant what make/model cpu20:04
ShackJackbts3685: Intel T2050 Core Duo20:04
bts3685ShackJack: and this is Fx3 beta?20:04
ShackJackbts3685: Yes, b5 with Flash (propietary) installed)... I haven't tried disabling Flahs yet..20:05
bts3685ShackJack: try disabling flash. you might be surprised ;)20:05
tomd123ShackJack: that or java20:05
ShackJackbts3685: Heehee - yeah I was guessing - though I didn't have a problem with it in FF2 and it's more or less the same plugin... Not runnin Java - bleech!20:06
ShackJackWhich is the proper package to run FF2 along side 3 is it firefox-2 I'm guessing - I don't see a meta package20:06
bts3685ShackJack: mozilla's fixed a lot of the memory problems in fx3, so i wouldn't be surprised if this is a repercussion of it20:07
ShackJack(assumeing FF2 cna run along side of FF3?)20:07
shawnrShackJack: firefox-220:07
ShackJackbts3685: Yeah it was running good b4... not so much now... I just did a fresh install cause I couldn't solve some mysterious problem with my fglrx driver and compiz20:07
_Lucretia_do I need dri for fglrx?20:08
_Lucretia_I have glx, GLcore and v4l loaded in the xorg.conf20:09
ShackJack_Lucretia_: Where Hardy is concerned I let it do the config via Restricted drivers manager20:09
_Lucretia_ShackJack: well, I've selected the driver and it installed the driver, I rebooted. when I first upgraded it wouldn't actually select the driver no matter how many times I clicked it20:10
ShackJack_Lucretia_: Yeah I was having similar issues, I just did fresh install because none of the usual methods would work.. :(20:11
Had3lAnyone else having problems with wireless in 8.04?20:11
rskHad3l: loads :O)20:11
_Lucretia_Had3l: nope, works for me20:11
bardyrHad3l, what card do you have and what problems?20:11
ShackJackbts3685: Somethings peggins my CPU again... I have firefox on, but no page loaded and jsut diabled Flash plugin... It's being naughty20:11
_Lucretia_can someone tell my this doesn't work? sudo dpkg-reconfigure dexconf: Package `dexconf' is not installed and no info is available.20:12
ShackJackWhy doesn't top or sysmon show what's taking all the cycles?!20:12
Had3lUsed to work perfectly in 7.10, I upgraded and it suddenly stopped working, it won't detect any networks20:12
bts3685ShackJack: what does top say? what usage?20:12
Had3lI use a Vaio VGN-TXN17P20:12
bts3685Had3l: you'll need to put the wifi module back in/recompile it20:12
ShackJackbts3685: Doesn't say much... load is 2.85 but at leat one CPU hovers around 100%20:13
alarmo_Lucretia_, did you manage to solve your problem ?20:13
_Lucretia_no20:13
alarmodid you at least found a way to generate a good xorg.conf ?20:13
ShackJackbts3685: Actually graph is showing IOWait mostly - I don't know what to check to see what's causing that...20:13
alarmoI'm having to write mine all by hand...20:14
Clintegerhmm. I can access my Ubuntu laptop's samba share from this Windows XP computer, but I can't access this computer's samba shares from the Ubuntu laptop. I go to network and click on Windows Network, but the workgroups don't show up :/20:14
alarmoI don't really understand why ubuntu doesn't ship xorgconfig... is it bad somehow ? would it pose some threat to the config scheme, perhaps breaking things ?20:15
ShackJackI dunno maybe my HD is finally going...20:15
_Lucretia_alarmo: no20:15
zubwhat are the differences between kubuntu and ubuntu? I set up kubuntu, but concluded I prefer gnome, set up gnome stuff... can I remove kde and make it ubuntu?20:16
theunixgeekthe live cd for hardy keeps dropping me to a busybox shell. how do I fix this?20:16
_Lucretia_there is: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg which is mentioned in one of my xorg.conf files and also dexconfig20:16
_Lucretia_both don't generate enough info20:16
ShackJackzub: Not really there's extra software packages, etc... as well... easier to do fresh install :)20:16
zubsigh20:16
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_Lucretia_alarmo: I mean, there was a gui config when it booted firt time...where that is, I've no idea20:16
zubI've had way too much fresh installs recently... then I prolly keep things as they are20:17
bts3685ShackJack: what process is at the top the most consistently?20:17
alarmo_Lucretia_, I managed to get an almost useful xorg.conf from Xorg -configure20:17
alarmoand I'm tweaking it20:17
alarmoI'm gonna test it right now20:17
ShackJackzub: Well you could do sudo aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop :)20:17
alarmobrb20:17
zubShackJack: I'll c how daring I am... :)20:18
ShackJackbts3685: Firefox and xorg20:18
_Lucretia_looks like it needs dri20:18
zub_Lucretia_: what kind of X issue is it you're solving?20:18
_Lucretia_3d20:18
_Lucretia_indirect20:18
_Lucretia_fglrx20:18
_Lucretia_I'll modify my config by hand to force a gb keyboard and to load dri20:19
zubhm... if I recall well, there's something like /dev/dri?... are the permissions ok?20:19
ShackJackbts3685: Suddenly died down... sysmon graph show a lot of IO Wait...20:19
alarmo_Lucretia_, well, it solved here... although I don't like the idea of having my resolution mode hard coded like that...20:19
zubbtw... my VT has messed up font; where can I select which font is loaded upon boot?20:20
zub+ I'd prefer some other keyb layout on VTs20:20
bts3685ShackJack: check your drives with bonnie++... i'm wondering if it's not some sort of speed bottleneck or it's caching too much20:21
ShackJackbts3685: bonnie? Hadn't heard of that one... My root partition is fine, e2fsck has been *claiming* an issue with my data partition for sometime which it isn't able to fix20:22
_Lucretia_nuffin20:22
Had3lI'm having a problem finding wireless networks with 8.04 (used to work with 7.10), Comp is a Vaio VGN-TXN17P, Card is an Intel PRO 3945BG. Any ideas?20:25
zub_Lucretia_: any info about dri in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?20:25
kaminixWhy is my network card weaker in Hardy than it was in... Feisty is it? 7.10?20:25
alarmokaminix, wireless network ?20:25
kaminixalarmo: Yes.20:25
kaminixIt didn't get stronger by me moving close up on it.20:25
_Lucretia_zub: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM20:25
alarmokaminix, I thought it was only my imagination, but then I'm having the same problem as you...20:25
kaminixAnd my sister gets 10x the speed I do.20:25
_Lucretia_zub: [dri] Disabling DRI.20:25
ShackJackbts3685: bonie++ man page = YIKES!20:26
kaminixalarmo: Happend to be a RT2500 card?20:26
alarmoexcept that I haven't tested this in a linux before... I just bought this notebook and wi-fi range is much lower in hardy than in windows...20:26
alarmokaminix, RTL 818720:26
zub_Lucretia_: is the kernel module loaded?20:26
_Lucretia_fglrx is, yeah20:26
kaminixalarmo: What driver does it use?20:26
alarmortl8187 :) it is in the kernel already, open source.20:27
kaminixI use rt2500, it's also open source. Though I don't think it's in the kernel.20:27
kaminixIs it some eco setting perhaps? Making the wifi draw less power?20:27
alarmoIt's frustrating... now I can't use my notebook from bed...20:27
zubmaybe starting X withg -verbose would report more info20:27
alarmoand I used to do some coding before sleep...20:27
kaminixNow I can't use torrents form my computer....... >_<20:28
zub_Lucretia_: also, aby info in dmesg? prom that fglrx driver20:28
kaminixCan't even download the new iso to try a reinstall.20:28
alarmokaminix, would you please e-mail me if you find the answer to the problem ? I've been trying to make it work better for like a week already20:28
alarmobut it looks like your loss is bigger than mine... I lost like 4 or 5 meters in radius from the access point...20:28
_Lucretia_zub: http://phpfi.com/31112420:29
alarmokaminix, can you see the Tx-Power from that wireless interface (with iwconfig) ?20:29
_Lucretia_ls -l /dev/dri/20:29
_Lucretia_total 020:29
_Lucretia_crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2008-04-19 19:24 card020:29
kaminixWell, that sounds about right.20:30
kaminixI lost 50% connectivity.20:30
kaminixIt's unstable now.20:30
kaminixalarmo: Tx-Power=27 dBm20:30
alarmohere, my desktop has a 46dBm Tx-Power... which is more than enough for any place I put it in the house... but my notebook only gets to 27dBm ...20:30
alarmokaminix, same as here...20:30
sergiuhi20:30
tomd124does anyone know any way I can listen to an internet radio station while ripping it, without opening a new stream?20:31
kaminixalarmo: Can we increase it?20:31
sergiuhow can i install the kubuntu 8.04 RC1 near ubuntu hardy ?20:31
zub_Lucretia_: maybe sudo chown your_user /dev/dri/card0, then restart X - but won't help probably :-/20:31
alarmokaminix, I tried it with mine... only could set it to lower :( but I don't know much about wi-fi....20:31
kaminixMe neither...20:31
_Lucretia_zub: not exactly a fix, but I'll give it a go20:31
tomd124sergui if you just want the gui, you can install kde4 through the synaptic and you will probably get the same thing20:31
sergiuyes, only gui20:32
sergiuand the apps20:32
sergiuok20:32
_Lucretia_zub: nope20:33
kaminixalarmo: Same here, only lower.20:33
zub_Lucretia_: sigh :-/20:33
tomd124sergiu: but be warned, it will download all of kde for that so you might want to use the kubuntu cd and use it's repo unless you have a fast internet connection20:33
_Lucretia_zub: yup20:34
sergiutomd124, but i can install just kde420:34
sergiunot kubuntu20:34
sergiuto have 2 graphical envrionoment20:34
sergiugnome and kde20:35
sergiu=)20:35
zub_Lucretia_: all I can say is I've had my deal of hair-pulling with ati20:35
zubthen I bought nvidia, sucks also, but a bit less seems to me20:35
_Lucretia_worked fine under the previous versions, just movies didnt under the last one and ff hung constantly20:35
_Lucretia_zub: the keymap's doing my head in also, dead keys20:36
sergiuand i think i will install xfce and flushbox20:36
zubweird that on my work laptop with some ati card, hardy works like a charm20:36
orvokkisergiu: You can also install only kde4 by using the livecd as a repository. It might still be faster that way.20:36
_Lucretia_have to setxkbmap gb every time20:36
zubwell...20:36
zubhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24075720:36
alarmokaminix, that's my problem...I would like to know the tx power of that same thing in windows, so I can know if it is a driver problem or something else20:36
sergiuorvokki yeaa?20:36
sergiuok20:36
sergiui have the liveCd20:37
kaminixalarmo: As for me, everything worked fine in 7.10, but upon upgrading it all went down the pipe.20:37
zub_Lucretia_: could it be you're running with RADEON (the free driver) ihnstead of fglrx (the blob)?20:37
alarmokaminix, do you have a way to run 7.10 there ? (perhaps the live CD)...20:37
orvokkiThat is, Kubuntu livecd at least has all KDE4-related packages so you could just add it and install KDE4. Whether or not it's faster than installing normally through apt depends.20:37
alarmoso that you could see if Tx Power is the bad guy...20:37
zubas for the X keyboard: did you specify UK in xorg.conf? if yes, it's possible gdm/gnome/kde/whateva re-set it to what they like20:38
alarmoat least, if it's not, we can start looking for other problems...20:38
orvokkiUnsure if Ubuntu livecd has KDE packages too.20:38
_Lucretia_zub: shouldn't be, there's nothing in the config file to say it is20:38
orvokki(That is, in the livecd repo)20:38
kaminixalarmo: Hmm... I do actually, I think. I'll try it.20:39
zub_Lucretia_: can you paste the whole X log somehwere?20:39
_Lucretia_can do, just trying a dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server or something20:39
kaminixalarmo: I'll boot with the live CD and see if there're any differences. just a sec and I'll send you a paste with my current iwconfig and you can send it back to me later.20:39
alarmoOk, thanks.20:40
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kaminixalarmo: http://pastebin.ca/989841 Send this to me when I get back. ^^ I'll highlight you.20:41
alarmoOk20:41
_Lucretia_zub: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh20:42
_Lucretia_hang on20:42
zub? :)20:42
_Lucretia_zub: http://phpfi.com/31112920:43
_Lucretia_driver "ati" ?20:43
_Lucretia_or is that right?20:43
zubI think it used to be "fglrx"20:44
zubbut no longer having ati, I can't be suer20:44
zubsure20:44
_Lucretia_the aticonfig --initial just created this: http://phpfi.com/31113120:44
zubDriver      "fglrx"20:45
zubthen try this fglrx20:45
zubgood luck :)20:45
_Lucretia_lets try20:46
alarmodoes anyone know what are the most important parts of a linux system related to wi-fi networking ? I mean, I'm trying to find out what could have changed from 7.10 to 8.04 to make wifi signal for kaminix so much lower...20:46
zubkernel driver? :)20:46
alarmozub, yeah, same thing I thought here... but I don't know if he is using a different driver version...20:47
alarmoI'll install 7.10 on my machine (which also is having a lower signal than what I'd like it to) to see if I can find out anything20:47
dkkongIs it possible to install Hardy on an iBook G4? I've dled the cd, and I get an error on boot that it can't allocate a pci device20:47
dkkongAnd to clarify, I did dl the PPC cd.20:48
ubuntu_alarmo: Im back!20:49
alarmoubuntu_, hello, kaminix20:49
alarmohttp://pastebin.ca/98984120:49
ubuntu_http://pastebin.ca/98985020:50
ubuntu_Thats the new one20:50
smallfoot-Wine defaults to "Windows XP", but mine Wine is set to 2000, anyone else have this `?20:50
alarmowell, it doesn't even have the txpower information...20:50
alarmoodd...20:50
ubuntu_Its not as much faster as I had expected according to speedtest.nl, but still three folded20:51
alarmo... :( and here I was, thinking we could get some good information from that...20:52
ubuntu_Well, tx power isnt set... maybe its not limited_20:55
ubuntu_?20:55
alarmodunno...20:55
ubuntu_is there an option in iwconfig to set it to unlimited_20:55
alarmonever found one... only found "auto"20:56
alarmowhich isn't supported by my network card anyways20:56
dkkongAnyone know if it's possible to install Hardy on a PPC architecture?20:56
ubuntu_Seems to be a common problem alarmo... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=461666120:56
alarmowell... I don't think TX Power has anything to do with it, at least in my network20:57
alarmosince a txpower off doesn't affect anything20:57
ubuntu_tx power 0 you mean_20:57
alarmoit has an "off" stuff too20:57
alarmoneither off nor 0 makes any difference20:58
ubuntu_Hmmm... I\d guess that means some control thinge difference. or it just plainly does not work20:58
alarmoubuntu_, is your connection anyway better with the live CD ?21:00
alarmoand I don't think this would be a driver problem... I mean21:01
ubuntu_alarmo    For cards supporting multiple transmit powers, sets the transmit power in dBm. If W is the power in Watt, the power in dBm is P = 30 + 10.log(W). If the value is postfixed by  mW,  it  will  be automatically converted to dBm. In  addition,  on and off enable and disable the radio, and auto and fixed enable and disable power control  (if  those  features are available).21:01
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alarmoYou, me and that other guy on the forum having the same "not-higher-than-27 tx power" with 3 different boards in 3 different drivers...21:02
ubuntu_alarmo: It works slightly better so far, just going to change keyboard layout and then get on testing it a little more21:02
alarmook21:02
ubuntu_There, much better ^^21:03
ubuntu_Also, the ping now works. I can ping both google and my router at the same time :p21:04
ubuntu_Need something to put more stress on the bandwidth... hrm...21:04
alarmoubuntu_, doing that with a notebook or a desktop ?21:05
timboyI'm having a very weird problem with my screenshot plugin. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...21:06
ubuntu_alarmo: notebook :)21:06
timboysorry screenshot plugin is in compiz-fusion21:06
kevin--i'm in the middle of installing 8.04 and it's stuck at 94% saying 'configuring hardware'21:06
timboykevin-- sounds like you've got a lot of hardware... ;P21:07
alarmoubuntu_, did you have the problem that, if you sit between the notebook and the access point, the packets start to get lost a lot ?21:07
kevin--timboy: not really :P.  it's been stuck there for at least 10 minutes.  is there somewhere I can find a log that shows what it's trying to do?21:07
kevin--i noticed that it has two partitions mounted as /target21:08
ubuntu_Putting stress on it now, downloading an iso alarmo. In Hard my ping got up to 25 000ms when downloading in 40kbps, now it's only rising slightly when downloading in 160 - 170 kbps.21:08
kevin--the root partition that the installer created, which it mounted first..  and then it looks like later it mounted my old debian root partition on top of that mount21:08
ubuntu_alarmo: It'd be very difficult for me to sit between them, so I don't know. We have a thin wall between them though.21:08
alarmoubuntu_, yeah... guess I'll get to install gutsy here to see if it solves my problem...21:08
kevin--i didn't tell it to do anything with the debian installation21:08
ubuntu_alarmo: Shall we send in a bugreport?21:09
alarmoubuntu_, here is my test for network coverage: I start a ping to my router21:09
alarmoand move... :P21:09
ubuntu_Haha :p Works. :p21:09
alarmowhenever pings start not coming back by dozens I know I am in a bad place for my network...21:09
alarmothe thing is...21:09
alarmosince I loaded hardy on it21:09
alarmopretty much anywhere I sit with the mininum obstacle between notebook and router, I lose the pings21:10
chucklargeHi all, just did the upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04rc1 and my network is dead.  in 7.10 my network card was eth2 and now it is eth1.  when i restart the network '/etc/init.d/networking restart'  i get various error messages that eth2 device not found.  I suspect thats my problem, but don't know how to make the system use eth1 now.21:10
ubuntu_chucklarge: eth? Not a wireless network then? :/21:10
alarmoright now it is on a desk by my left side... with the router like 6 meters away through a normal house wall21:10
chucklargeno, not wireless21:10
timboyI'm having a very weird problem with compiz-fusion screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...21:11
ubuntu_alarmo: Let's write a bug report. Do you have a launchpad account?21:11
timboychucklarge can you post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces. use patebin.ca21:11
alarmoubuntu_, no, I don't :(21:11
ubuntu_Get one. :)21:11
alarmoubuntu_, I'll check if I can get it working normally with gutsy first... I don't know if My problem is a "bug" or if the driver is just bad...21:12
alarmoas soon as I can get another linux work with this I'll send the bug report21:12
ubuntu_Get a live CD with your working computer.21:12
alarmocan you tell me what is the kernel version of gutsy ?21:12
alarmomy network doesn't have kernel drivers before 2.4.23...21:13
fxfitzHello! I'm trying to install Hardy Server onto my computer, but it says it can't install GRUB. Can anyone help?21:13
timboy2.6.2221:13
ubuntu_alarmo: uname -u I think21:13
alarmoyeah, but I'm not on gutsy :)21:13
alarmoand you are hehe21:13
timboy2.6.2221:13
ubuntu_Oh, Gutsy :p21:13
b4l74z4ri can't get the mplayer firefox plugin to work in ubuntu hardy21:13
alarmotimboy, thanks... but this is very unfortunate :(21:13
ubuntu_Why unfortunate?21:14
alarmobecause I'll have to install gutsy to test, it won't work by the live Cd21:14
alarmosince my wifi card only has its drivers available on kernel since 2.6.2321:14
ubuntu_Ah :/21:14
timboyalarmo do it on a different hard drive21:15
alarmoanyways, I have this 20Gigs unpartitioned space I left there to test OS's anyway...21:15
timboyalarmo there you go... ;)21:15
alarmotimboy, I never leave a computer without space for testing OS's...21:15
alarmo:)21:15
alarmoactually I think that, if I can manage to install new Gtk+ libraries on Gutsy, and if it solves my network problems I'll stick with it for a looooooong time :P21:16
ubuntu_alarmo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/13466021:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134660 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "Ralink rt2400 / rt2500 / rt2570 / rt61 / rt73 do not work out of the box in Gutsy/Hardy" [High,Confirmed]21:16
alarmoonly thing getting me away from gutsy is that I want a few functions from glib 2.16 ...21:16
timboyI'm having a very weird problem with compiz-fusion screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...21:17
fxfitzIf I want to manually set up grub on sda1, Would it be: root (hd0,0)?21:18
chucklarge@timboy http://pastebin.ca/98987621:18
alarmoubuntu_, hmm I'll try an Archlinux on that notebook... it has the right kernel and it is much smaller to download than Ubuntu, as a live CD21:19
ubuntu_Please tell me how it goes, I'm curious.21:20
alarmobut it will probably take some time21:20
timboychucklarge just remove everything in there about eth221:20
alarmoif you want, send me an e-mail and I'll mail you back when I find out anything21:20
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timboychucklarge then do /etc/init.d/networking restart21:23
kaminixalarmo: PMed you my mail adress.21:23
alarmoOk, I'll send it to you as soon as I get a result. It might take some time before I can test it, though, just received a phone call telling me my inlaws are 15 mins away from here for a nice visit :P21:24
kaminixHeh, have fun alarmo ^^21:25
alarmohaha, yeah... right :P21:25
kevin--can anyone tell me what the installer is doing when it says 'configuring hardware' at the end21:27
kevin--and/or where it might log what it is doing at that point21:28
kevin--my install is hung there21:28
alarmokevin--, mine didn't stop there for more than 5 minutes....21:28
kevin--alarmo: mine has been there for about half an hour :)21:28
alarmoso I think you might have some serious problems21:28
kevin--well, i'm using the machine to type this right now21:29
alarmocan you run Top in a terminal to see if anything is taking processing power...21:29
kevin--the loadavg is basically 021:29
alarmowell...21:29
kevin--ubiquity is using the most cpu time21:29
kevin--(3%)21:29
alarmoprobably some sort of dead lock or something like that, then... but it could be something completely different, of course... I know nothing about the internals of the setup program21:30
alarmoI would bet on the application hang out waiting for an event that will never arrive, though...21:30
kevin--yeah, i'm just trying to figure out where it logs what it's doing21:30
kevin--i'm assuming it writes the MBR and stuff after this point21:30
kevin--so i can't just reboot21:30
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kevin--i'm going through the output of 'lsof' to see if i can find a log file..21:32
Sharpieum, gdmsetup isn't working (simply doesn't start when i try to run it)21:32
zubSharpie: strace gdmsetup might help to tell you what the program attempted to do before it dies21:33
Sharpiezub: it doesn't die, it just hangs21:33
zubok, s/dies/hangs/ :)21:33
timboyI'm having a very weird problem with screenshot. I hold down super key and drag where I want to capture but it captures above it by about 2.5 inches...21:33
Sharpiewait wtf, now it's working21:34
Sharpielinux has its ways.21:34
kevin--does anyone know if the installer is actually intended to mount my previous linux installation as /target on top of the real installation target mount, when i did not tell it to upgrade anything?21:37
Sharpienot directly related to hardy, but is anyone using the banshee lyrics plugin? (it worked in gutsy and now it's not)21:39
kevin--or a different question, if my installation is hung at 94%, what steps might i need to manually take to complete it by hand?21:40
kevin--do i just need to install grub?21:41
FinnishI've had two total lock-ups with Hardy RC today21:42
FinnishIs it common?21:42
kevin--i'm just going to change the partition type of all my previous install partitions to something the installer won't detect21:44
kevin--and try again, so there's no way it will try to mount my debian installation..21:44
Ronaldhi, is it known the automatic plugin installer (at least when you pick Sun Java6) doesn't install the plugin for firefox2, only for FF3-b5 ?21:50
negge!topic21:51
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MTecknologyExciting.... I had a copy of Beta 2 and no blank cd's.... now i'm dloading 400M+ of updates21:56
x1250<offtopic>http://www.devtopics.com/famous-programmer-on-trial-for-murder/#more-201</offtopic>21:56
yaccWhat can I do to restart sound services?21:56
nazgulyacc: in a terminal, run "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"22:00
yaccnazgul: I've got now even more fun => Terminal does not want to start, just hangs there without rendering itself, while Alt-F2 xterm works ;(22:02
nazgulyacc: did you just upgrade some packages? then logout and login again22:02
yaccnazgul: even after the alsa restart I get:22:02
yaccALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave22:02
ankitI just installed 8.04 RC on a fresh partition, and I love it, but the fonts in the Terminal look weird, and isn't the default monospaced (even though it says it is)... Any idea what's wrong?22:03
|ismael|i have installer propietary driver ati and after ubuntu dont charge,i format and install the ati drver in the web official and it say that driver ati dont work correctly,help please.22:03
nazgulyacc: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/21304522:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213045 in pulseaudio "audio conflicts: VLC vs Totem (gstreammer) or Rythmbox" [Undecided,Invalid]22:04
nazgulJust reinstall pulseaudio.22:05
nazgulapt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio22:05
TailsLinuxi wonder why Webmin won't start Apache22:05
F05517audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument22:08
F05517any ideas?22:08
F05517gstreamer volume control isnt working either22:09
nazgulMy hardy won't boot any more. Following suggestions in this channel I removed all *-persisten-* files in /etc/udev/rules.d/. Now on startup it hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system...". Boot loader wasn't touched. Please advise.22:09
nazgulF05517: ask on the #gstreamer channel on irc.freenode.net22:10
|ismael|nazgul your rc dont charge?22:10
F05517kk nazgul, thought id try in here since ive only had issues with hardy22:11
nazgul|ismael|: haven't touched it22:11
fxfitz1grub22:11
fxfitz!grub22:11
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto22:11
fxfitzCan anyone help me install grub? The hardy installer didn't install it.22:12
mhalcrow_homeI'm trying to install Hardy on a RAID that I just built w/ mdadm by hand. /dev/md0 is not showing up in the GUI installer; I am only getting the block devices. My RAID setup is non-trivial (I have a degraded RAID-5 that will become a non-degraded RAID-5 once I am done with the install). How can I install onto the RAID I already built at /dev/md0?22:12
\dev\onei can help you I think22:12
\dev\one(fxfitz)22:12
\dev\onefxfitz, enter 'sudo grub'22:13
fxfitzOkay22:13
\dev\onefxfitz, what's the drive you installed ubuntu on?22:13
fxfitz\dev\one, Well right  now I'm on Knoppix with it mounted on /media/sda1 (/dev/sda1)22:14
F05517im having issues with my video resolution. currently at 640*480 and unable to change it... ubuntu is also not picking up any restricted drivers for my nvidia card22:14
\dev\onefxfitz, ok, inside the grub window type 'root (hd0,0)'22:14
fxfitzError 21: Selected disk does not exist.22:15
F05517on 7.10, etc, i use some restricted video card driver.22:15
\dev\onefxfitz, hmmm...please paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' on some pastebin site22:16
nazgul|ismael|: any ideas?22:16
zxc`hi guys I'm having lots of problems w/ alsa.22:17
zxc`using hda_intel22:17
fxfitz\dev\one, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6377722:18
zxc`does anyone have problems w/ audio in hardy?22:18
madmetal_spyroshoi!22:18
madmetal_spyrosanybody willing to help with some hardy upgrade problems?22:19
rsksure22:19
rsknot all thou, just some.22:19
\dev\onefxfitz, strange, what does 'find /boot/grub/stage1' in the grub window do22:19
F05517zxc`, i do22:20
madmetal_spyrosi just upgrade from gutsy to hardy22:20
F05517gstreamer issues mainly it seems22:20
nazgulmount22:20
madmetal_spyroseverything went fine22:20
fxfitz\dev\one, By the way, should I be running all this stuff from knoppix, or should I chroot into /mnt/sda1 (where my hardy stuff is)22:20
madmetal_spyrosi had uninstall nvidia drivers and when gutsy was ok it prompt me to install nvidia drivers22:21
\dev\onefxfitz, knoppix is fine, no need to chroot.22:21
madmetal_spyrosand then the party started :)22:21
fxfitz\dev\one, Then: Error 15: File not found22:21
madmetal_spyrosx couldnt start " fatal error no monitor found"22:21
\dev\onefxfitz, you are running as root? (just to be sure?)22:22
\dev\one(or sudo)22:22
madmetal_spyrosrsk do you read? :)22:22
fxfitz\dev\one, Nope. I'll make sure I do that from now on?22:22
madmetal_spyrosand when i reinstall xorg and reboot i can only enter failsafe xterm22:22
\dev\onefxfitz, yeah, that's what I get too without root :)22:23
\dev\onefxfitz, just try the find command again with grub with root permissions22:23
mhalcrow_homeI assume I am going to have to install to a normal partition first and then copy everything over to the root RAID after the fact.22:24
fxfitz\dev\one, Okay, find doesn't work, but root(hd0,0) gives me: Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x8322:25
\dev\onefxfitz, now try 'setup (hd0)'22:25
mewthey, After the last update and a reboot I seem to have lost all gui as regards networking...networkmanager says that no devices are present and trying to load the network menu from system crashes22:25
mewtanyone have the same ?22:25
fxfitz\dev\one, Error 15: File not found22:26
fxfitzCouldn't find /boot/grub/stage1 or /grub/stage122:26
\dev\onefxfitz, hmm this means the grub /package/ isn't installed either :s, chroot to ubuntu and apt-get install grub there22:27
mewtmanual networking works fine tho, still got an ip on my wired network and my wireless still shows up as wlan022:27
\dev\onefxfitz, you know how to chroot?22:27
fxfitzYup22:27
fxfitzgrub is already the newest version.22:27
* mhalcrow_home prepares to play musical chairs with his 5 block devices to get a root RAID-522:27
\dev\onefxfitz, 'ls /boot/' ?22:28
mewtmhalcrow_home, enjoy it :)22:28
fxfitz\dev\one, It gives me a lot of *-server files, and a grub folder22:29
fxfitz\dev\one, Only thing in the grub folder is device.map22:29
\dev\onefxfitz, I got a lot of stages there, I suggest apt-get removing it and then installing it22:29
fxfitz\dev\one, Tried that. No change.22:30
\dev\onefxfitz, that's strange...did you try it with remove --purge ?22:31
fxfitz\dev\one, Oh. nope. sudo apt-get remove --purge grub??22:31
\dev\onefxfitz, yes (never tried that command though)22:31
fxfitz\dev\one, Done.22:32
\dev\onefxfitz, any stuff in /boot/grub ?22:32
fxfitzJust device.map :(22:32
\dev\onefxfitz, anyway, you didn't create a separate boot partition did you22:33
\dev\onefxfitz, sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub22:33
fxfitz\dev\one, During the install, in the partition section, I chose: guided use full disk22:33
\dev\onefxfitz, does the 'df' command show any special /boot partition?22:34
fxfitzsudo:unable to resolve host Knoppix, postdrop/: wearning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory22:34
\dev\onefxfitz, wait it doesn't of course22:34
fxfitzNope. It shoes me some CRAZY thing =, something mounted on /, and /sysfs22:34
zubhm, I don't have link to home on Desktop... is there a way to add it? (other than adding explicit link to home - the default home link had this fancy house icon :)22:35
\dev\onefxfitz, that's some normal virtual filesystem stuff, don't worry about it22:35
* fxfitz nods22:35
\dev\onefxfitz, well I *might* upload my stuff in /boot/grub dunno if it helps22:35
\dev\onefxfitz, assuming you run x8622:36
fxfitzYeah, I do.22:36
HoellPhello, can anyone help me setting up a vm with kvm?22:36
fxfitzThat'd be great! Hopefully it'll help :(22:36
\dev\onefxfitz, ok one moment :)22:36
\dev\onefxfitz, you'll have to 'fix' menu.lst manually though22:37
fxfitzRight.22:37
HoellPthe virtd daemon is running, and i can connect, but i always get an error when i try to add a vm22:38
\dev\onefxfitz, i'll do it for ya :)22:38
fxfitzMah hero!22:38
* fxfitz cheers.22:38
\dev\onefxfitz, alright uploading (forgive me for this bad upload site)22:41
susanoomay i know the different between the Ubuntu 8.04 candidate ? and the one that will be released on 24's of April ?22:41
fxfitz\dev\one, Heh no problem22:41
HoellPsusanoo: not much likely, just some last fixes22:41
chtrianyone with >= 4gb of ram?22:41
susanoothere is no difference ?22:41
HoellPnot much22:42
susanooso matter which of this i download22:42
\dev\onefxfitz, http://hyperfileshare.com/d/b22fe411 (open in browser not wget)22:42
susanootheir all the same ?22:42
HoellPit's the same os, and it will get stable in time22:42
\dev\onefxfitz, and extract into /boot/grub ofcourse22:42
susanooi will download the candidate ?22:42
susanoois that ok ?22:42
HoellPso if you download the rc now, you'll get the final on 24th22:42
susanooor should i wait ?22:42
susanooohh22:42
susanoook22:43
susanoogood22:43
\dev\onefxfitz, you might want to check the exact kernel version number or use /vmlinuz and /initrd.img instead of /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.....22:44
\dev\onefxfitz, in /boot/grub/menu.lst22:44
susanooHoellp , so which version are you using right now ?22:45
fxfitzAlright lets take a look22:45
HoellPthe up-to-date rc22:45
HoellPi'm using hardy since about alpha 522:45
susanoowhen did you downloaded it ?22:45
susanoowhere did u get it ?22:45
HoellPi upgraded from gutsy ;)22:46
fxfitz\dev\one, Hmm... I am confused about the kernel stuff actually... and what to put... :(22:46
susanoo19-Apr-2008 02:5322:46
susanooit was released on the 19'a right ?22:46
Baby_shambl3show do i configureand use pulse audio or should i try oss?22:47
HoellPyes i think so22:47
\dev\onefxfitz, no problem just sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst (assuming you've extracted it) and replace (on the bottom) /boot/vmlin... with /vmlinuz and the /boot/initrd... stuff with /initrd.img22:47
HoellPBaby_shambl3s: try pulse22:47
HoellPit's really awsome to use22:48
\dev\onefxfitz, because I don't know if your hardy is outdated22:48
susanooHoellp , ypu updated it yesterday ?22:48
susanooyou*22:48
fxfitz\dev\one, Okay. So... should we try to grub>root (hd0,0) >setup(hd0) again?22:49
HoellPsusanoo: no, i updated a few months ago22:49
\dev\onefxfitz, yeah22:49
HoellPbut you should be fine installing the rc22:49
fxfitz\dev\one, Okay, I think it all worked. I'll try rebooting.22:50
\dev\onefxfitz, good luck22:50
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: yeha but how?22:50
HoellPwhat's your problem?22:51
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: I look at their site but it just confused me on the whole pulse issue and i dont even know if im running it or not22:51
HoellPyou're running hardy?22:52
HoellPwith the latest updates?22:52
fxfitz\dev\one, Well, it looks like grub came up and I think it's loading hardy for the first time now! :-D22:52
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: yup i should be22:52
HoellPk22:52
fxfitz\dev\one, Heh, hopefully this part works now22:52
HoellPyou have installed pavumanager, pavucontrol and padevchooser?22:53
\dev\onefxfitz, me too :)22:53
m0u5eis it just me, or is hardy slower on my computer than gutsy...22:53
fxfitz\dev\one, Damn. It looks like its hanging at: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 022:53
\dev\onefxfitz, :( unfortunately I don't know anything about that stuff22:54
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: nope havent installed any of those do i need to?22:54
fxfitzHm. Yeah. It says its missing modules or something so it dropped me to a Busybox shell :(:(22:55
HoellPto fully use pa, yes22:55
HoellPi'd recommend it22:55
fxfitz\dev\one, Well, thanks for your help! I think I'll just wait until it releases and then install that. Hopefully it'll work then. :-P22:56
peter77When I plug headphones into my laptop the sound does not mute on the built in speakers instead it plays out of both headphones and speakers, is there a way to fix this?22:56
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: will do it now brb, but after that it will automatically stop using alsa and start using pulse right?22:57
HoellPyou have to select it in preferences-audio22:57
HoellPgotta reboot, brb22:58
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: ok22:58
fxfitz\dev\one, Thanks for your help!22:58
\dev\onefxfitz, you're welcome, good luck next time :)22:58
susanooHoellp, ubuntu 8.04 candidate was released today right ?22:59
rsksusanoo: i think soo yes23:00
HoellPre23:01
susanooYou guys know where i can get any help on how to install Ubuntu 8.04 on my ps3 ?23:01
susanooor any guide ?23:02
rsksusanoo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/hardy-desktop-powerpc+ps3.iso23:04
Baby_shambl3ssynaptic cnat find pavumanager, what's the correct name for it?23:04
susanoothanks rsk23:05
susanooi've already downloaded it23:06
susanoobut i need a guide23:06
susanooon how to install it , probably not the same step by step as 7.1023:06
ryanovAnyone know if there is a BlueTooth FTP client?23:07
ryanovI have a program for my phone that will turn it into a BlueTooth FTP server.23:07
ryanovBut I don't know what I can do with that.23:07
m0u5ewhat do you guys think so far about hardy?23:07
m0u5eis hardy RC up to your expectations?23:08
rsk+ new packages23:08
rsk- no new theme23:08
ryanovm0u5e: Pretty decent.23:08
rsk:p23:08
ryanovLots of stuff is fixed.23:08
ryanovThe only new thing that broke is wireless.23:08
m0u5ewireless broke? lol23:08
ryanovYeah.23:08
m0u5eoh i need to test dual monitor config23:08
ryanovI can't use WPA anymore.23:08
Baby_shambl3ssynaptic cnat find pavumanager, what's the correct name for it or how do i get it to show on synaptic?23:09
ryanovDual monitor never worked great for me. It works, but...23:09
ryanovpavucontrol maybe?23:09
Zekerhello23:10
ryanovThere's no pavumanager in the repos anyway, which you know.23:10
HoellPy, ryanov is right, it's pavucontrol23:10
ZekerI just installed the latest ubuntu and I love it :P23:10
blekoshi, i install 8.04 and when i installed firefox i got firefox323:10
blekosunfortunately mediaplayer connectivity is not available for f3, any other suggestions so i can play radio from the intenet etc?23:10
Zekerdoes anyone know how to enable to desktop cube?23:11
ryanovGotta go into the Desktop Effects settings I wager.23:11
ryanovI never looked yet.23:11
ZekerI have done that actually,23:11
ZekerI set the effects to the higher setting23:11
ryanovThere's a custom one.23:11
Zekerit doesn't include the cube effect23:11
wolfalfaguys, I haven't been able to get fglrx working since I upgraded to hardy. is this the place to ask or should I go somewhere else?23:12
Zekerthere was also an expose effect that I really miss23:12
Baby_shambl3sHoellP: thanx for correcting that23:12
ryanovOh, I see, custom does not include something with which to configure.23:13
blekoshave you managed to install flash?23:13
Zekerhm23:13
ryanovI think the best solution is to install compizconfig-settings-manager, and set Desktop Effects to custom.23:13
susanooanybody here with a PS3 ?23:14
ryanovYeah, when you install that, you run cssm to config.23:16
dkkongI keep getting Bad Archive mirror at the end of an install.23:17
ProN00bis there actually any work beeing done on heron at the moment ?23:17
ryanovWhat do you mean?23:17
ryanovNew packages almost every day anyway.23:17
ProN00beven tho it will be released on the 24. ?23:17
ryanovActually, probably more often -- my machine checks once a day.23:17
ProN00bcan i update from 7.10 ?23:18
dkkongIs there a way to get around the bad archive error?23:18
ryanovThere are upgrade instructions in an obvious place on the website23:18
_derspanksterPrN00b: yes, you can23:18
ProN00bheron has the 2.6.24 kernel right ?23:19
ryanovI did aptitude update, and there were 19 new packages since my last check.23:19
ryanovYes, 2.6.2423:19
ProN00bwhat does "hardy" mean anyways23:20
ProN00band "heron"23:20
ryanovLook it up.23:20
ryanovHeron is a bird.23:20
ProN00band hardy ?23:20
ryanovLike the Great Blue Heron.23:20
ryanovI don't have a good way to explain it, dictionary.com.23:20
ProN00bgoogle couldn't translate it23:21
Sergeant_Ponyreboot23:21
malnilionHealthy, strong23:21
bauglirwhy23:21
_derspanksterHardy definition23:21
HoellPdict.leo.org for translations23:21
bauglirall influence is immoral23:21
ProN00bits a made up word *_*23:21
_derspankstermalnilion: correct23:21
ryanovProN00b: No, it isn't. It's English.23:21
ryanovWe use it to describe plants a lot around here.23:22
ProN00bhard is already an adjective23:22
bauglirall influence is immoral23:22
ryanovSomething that is easy to care for.23:22
billisnicecan not wait till next week for 8.04, the beta has been a challenge23:22
billisnicelol23:22
billisnicewelcome to the jungle23:22
malnilionHard is used to describe physical objects or to imply that something is difficult23:22
bauglirwhy23:22
nemosoooo23:22
nemo* The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!23:22
nemowassup with that??23:23
bauglirwhy23:23
ProN00bmalnilion, give a case where hardy is valid and hard isn't23:23
ryanovThat is true. What of it?23:23
_derspanksterI've had few issues with the beta - just lucky I guess23:23
ryanov"That is a hard plant."23:23
nemohm. only meant to give that one ?  not *that* curious :)23:23
ryanovWTF does that mean?23:23
bauglirwhy23:23
ryanov"That is a hardy plant."23:23
malnilionProN00b, you wouldn't say "That rock is hardy"23:23
ryanovMeans something.23:23
bauglirwhy23:23
ryanovThis beta has been very good in my experience.23:23
bauglirwhy23:24
ryanovBut like I said, I still can't do WPA with iwlwifi.23:24
ryanovWhy what?23:24
bauglirwhat do you mean?23:24
ryanovWhat does who mean?23:24
baugliryou23:25
ryanovAbout what>23:25
HoellPlol bauglir you got the most strange ways to communicate23:25
malnilionOr rather, befuddle.23:25
HoellPif that makes any sense...23:25
ProN00bhmmm, once heron is released23:25
Baby_shambl3s!ot23:26
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!23:26
ProN00bwill i need to upgrade to the final from the rc again ?23:26
malnilionProN00b, update-manager will do it for you automatically.23:26
ryanovThe beta seems to become the final by updates.23:26
bauglirpoor ryanov23:26
ryanovbauglir: STFU23:27
baugliryou are very rude. why?23:27
swubooDoes anyone know if there's a way to reenable 16-bit emulation in wine without reenabling addressing of memory space below 64k?23:27
py3k-erhello23:28
ryanovAnyone know if there's a Bluetooth FTP client in Ubuntu/Kubuntu?23:28
malnilionswuboo, you might get a better answer in the wine channel23:28
bauglirryanov: no23:28
py3k-erwhat is the command to change ubuntu system settings? like regedit in Windows...23:28
swuboomalnilion:  I might, it's true, but I figured I'd try here first, as it's a change to hardy that's causing the issue.23:28
bauglirwhy23:28
ryanovpy3k-er: No such thing, really.23:28
malnilionswuboo, possibly, though it could be a upstream wine update that's doing it too :)23:29
bauglirwhy23:29
py3k-eri wanna change the flag to hide the pop-up descriptions of items23:29
bauglirwhy23:29
HoellPgconf-editor23:29
py3k-eryeah that!23:29
bauglirwhy23:30
swuboomalnilion:  No, it's definitely a hardy change.  Specifically, hardy makes the bottom 64k of memory unaddressable to protect the kernel; wine uses memory in that space for DOS emulation.23:30
py3k-erthanks23:30
bauglirwhy23:30
swuboomalnilion:  I do know of one workaround, but since it involves simply making that space addressable again (and I don't want to do that) I was hoping someone might have uncovered a better way.23:30
malnilionswuboo, ah, I see...23:30
bauglirwhy23:30
ProN00bryanov, is bluetooth ftp not done over ip ?23:31
bauglirwhy23:31
ryanovProN00b: I don't think it is.23:32
malnilionbauglir, you're being exceedingly annoying, I would suggest stopping before everyone /ignores you23:32
bauglirpoor malnilion23:32
malnilionProN00b, I thought bluetooth transfers were over obex or something?23:33
ryanovYeah, something like that.23:33
bauglirpoor malnilion23:33
swubooSeriously, bauglir, I know you're intentially being obnoxious, but we'd all appreciate it if you stopped.23:34
* zionpsyfer wonders if bauglir is a bot.23:34
MTecknologyHow do I change the screen resolution across the whole system?23:34
malnilionzionpsyfer, you know, I'm wondering the same.23:34
ProN00bbauglir, who are you ?23:34
MTecknologygdm is trying to use 2048x1536 and the monitor can't handle it but 1024x768 works fine23:34
bauglirI am a man23:34
ryanovIn any case, there is nothing that does seem to work to connect to the phone even while it's running the BlueTooth FTP thing.23:34
swubooMTecknology:  I'm not entirely certain I understand what you mean.23:34
swubooMTechnology:  Ahhh.23:35
swubooMTecknology:  So GNOME and everything once you've logged in are using sensible resolutions, but GDM is trying to use an obscenely high resolution you can't actually use?23:35
MTecknologyyup