[00:00] <dekela> First of all I want to say that Hardy is so Beautiful!!
[00:00] <dekela> I just finished installing it from srcath
[00:00] <spookylukey> socketbind, malnilion: would you mind telling me what settings you have in 'Manage Repositories' ?
[00:01] <dekela> I would like to install Nvidia Propriety drivers however my card in not recognized in the Hardware window
[00:01] <spookylukey> I have manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list in the past, but now it is back to standard I think
[00:01] <dekela> I have a G-Force 9600 GT
[00:01] <tomasko> wow bleeding edge
[00:01] <dekela> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Geforce 9600 GT 512mb (rev a1)
[00:01] <malnilion> spookylukey, I'm on regular Ubuntu, but I know I couldn't upgrade in the past when I forgot the -d tag when I ran update-manager
[00:02] <socketbind> dekela: afaik it only works with the recently released 173.08 drivers
[00:02] <dekela> Should I go with the manual driver installtion or there is a deb file somewhere?
[00:02] <socketbind> spookylukey, i no longer have kubuntu sorry
[00:02] <dekela> socketbind: I know thanks..
[00:03] <socketbind> dekela: i couldn't find a prepackaged driver, but installing it manually is relatively painless
[00:03] <tomasko> dekela: i just use the manual installation with my 8300 GS
[00:03] <dekela> I was wondering if there are any plans on getting it into the repositories before the final release
[00:03] <dekela> socketbind: I agree but every Kernel update will require a reinstallation
[00:03] <socketbind> yup but i had no choice
[00:04] <socketbind> sad thing is that display switching works only with those new drivers for me
[00:05] <spookylukey> OK, cheers, I'm going to try using 'do-release-upgrade' instead
[00:05] <socketbind> btw it seems that gnome guys have a bad habit of removing existing features : |
[00:10] <socketbind> does anybody have a slider for brightness adjustment in "Power Management Preferences" on the battery tab?
[00:12] <_derspankster> socketbind: No, do you?
[00:12] <socketbind> no, and i wonder where is it gone : |
[00:13] <socketbind> i hope it didnt't get removed for some reason
[00:14] <_derspankster> socketbind: can't you use the function keys on your laptop?
[00:14] <m0u5e> anyone else have problems with multiple displays with hardy rc
[00:14] <m0u5e> is it just me or has i810 crt/lcd switcher regressed -__-;
[00:14] <socketbind> i could, but this was convenient
[00:14] <m0u5e> it used to work in feisty, but doesn't work since then
[00:14] <x0x> hello
[00:15] <x0x> i have chmod to 700. after that i cant see my website.
[00:15] <socketbind> it would automatically set to that brightness when on battery : |
[00:15] <sharperguy> ok how do i get java to use pulseaudio?
[00:15] <x0x> can anyone tell what chmod i should set?
[00:15] <JohninLex> Yea I have a problem when I try to use 32 windows everything slows down
[00:15] <Monobi> x0x, you must place your website in /var/www
[00:15] <Monobi> Assuming you have apache2 installed and configed
[00:15] <x0x> Monobi
[00:15] <x0x> nah
[00:16] <Monobi> nah what?
[00:16] <x0x> i wanna set it to home dir ;p
[00:16] <x0x> like before
[00:16] <Monobi> Then go to apache2
[00:16] <x0x> dude
[00:16] <x0x> everything is ok
[00:16] <Monobi> This is for Ubuntu development ;)
[00:16] <x0x> all i need is chmod to my home dir
[00:16] <x0x> to fix it
[00:16] <Monobi> chmod 777
[00:16] <Monobi> :P
[00:17] <_derspankster> socketbind: I never used it anyway
[00:18] <socketbind> well it is bad that it is gone
[00:18] <x0x> 777?
[00:18] <x0x> to home dir
[00:18] <x0x> are you crazy
[00:18] <socketbind> i'm going through the source code now but i'm by no means an expert in gtk
[00:19] <Monobi> x0x, slightly
[00:19] <mikegriffin> anyone else chmod /home 711 to annoy others?
[00:19] <socketbind> yup, it is really removed i guess i have to fix it for myself somehow
[00:20] <sharperguy> seriously guys there must be a way to set the java plugin to output to pulseaudio, otherwise it pretty much ties up the entire soundcard
[00:20] <sharperguy> It only ever seems to do oss, unless i use aoss but thats no use now
[00:21] <socketbind> well i have never tried to make java use pulseaudio
[00:21] <socketbind> but i think pulseaudio had some kind of oss emulation layer or what
[00:21] <mikegriffin> i have never used java to play any audio
[00:21] <socketbind> lemme check
[00:21] <crimsun> sharperguy: padsp.  It will probably crash.
[00:21] <sharperguy> why?
[00:22] <crimsun> because the jvm sucks?
[00:22] <socketbind> it is just like aoss yup
[00:22] <crimsun> (not to mention padsp does, too)
[00:22] <sharperguy> well ill try
[00:22] <bauglir> why
[00:22] <sharperguy> i aggree though i hate java
[00:23] <sharperguy> seems to be working ok for the moment
[00:23] <bauglir> why
[00:24] <RyanPrior> Creeping up on release day and still Firefox won't load Java applets.
[00:24] <bauglir> why
[00:25] <ProN00b> any op going to ban bauglir soon ?
[00:25] <socketbind> * src/gpm-prefs-core.c: (prefs_setup_battery):
[00:25] <socketbind> Don't have a slider for brightness reduction on battery - it confuses
[00:25] <socketbind> too many people
[00:25] <socketbind> oops sorry
[00:25] <socketbind> middle button
[00:25] <ProN00b> i wouldn't be able to get away with this kind of trolling...
[00:25] <bauglir> poor ProNOOb
[00:25] <_derspankster> ProNoob: agreed, please somebody!
[00:26] <HoellP> ﻿﻿﻿﻿gn8 all
[00:26] <bauglir> poor ProNOOb
[00:26] <ProN00b> poor bauglir
[00:27] <bauglir> do you admit you're poor, ProNOOB
[00:29] <bauglir> poor mOu5e
[00:30] <Zambezi> bauglir: Can you part please or cut the crap?
[00:30] <bauglir> poor Zambezi
[00:35] <bhsx> #videolan
[00:36] <bauglir> why
[00:36] <hydrogen> hmm... I seem to have lost compositing support after upgrading
[00:38] <bauglir> There seems to be an alien pubic hair in my Gin.
[00:39] <jburd> poor bauglir
[00:40] <bauglir> Never seen it before in my life. Have you?
[00:40] <sonik887> Anyone available for a grub question?
[00:41] <mnemo> sonik887: dont ask to ask, just ask
[00:41] <sonik887> i got everything working fine with my ubuntu install, but i had to modify grub to point to root(0,3) instead of root(1,3) that it setup.
[00:41] <sonik887> i pointed it to the correct hard drive in the 8.04 installer, but it set up the drive numbering wrong.
[00:41] <_derspankster> bauglir: warum
[00:41] <sonik887> i've seen this with previous ubuntu versions as well
[00:42] <sonik887> 2 sata drives (both 750 seagates)
[00:42] <sonik887> once i modified grub, everything worked fine
[00:42] <sonik887> i've seen this issue on 2 different computers that each have multiple sata drives.  curious if there's a better way to make it work "out of hte box" versus having to reconfigure grub after installation.
[00:44] <timboy> Compiz-Fusion screenshot is not working properly for me. If I hold down Super then click and drag over what I want to take a screenshot it takes it but it is about 2.5 inches above where I wanted the screenshot to happen.
[00:46] <timboy> it worked fine before upgrade to hardy
[00:47] <maney> I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but... how come the packages site lists packages that aren't listed in the corresponding Packages file on any mirror (including archive.ubuntu.com)?
[00:47] <crimsun> maney: which packages site?  which package?  which version?
[00:48] <Zambezi> crimsun: You got chanop. Can you save us here from bauglir's stupidity/trolling?
[00:49] <maney> eg. vlc - listed in Hardy (universe) by packages,ubuntu.com, version seems to be int he pool (only checked one mirror for that), nowhere in universe/i386 Package file
[00:49] <crimsun> Zambezi: if it becomes excessive, yes.
[00:50] <Zambezi> crimsun: Good.
[00:50] <maney> I noticed that one because the upgrade wanted to throw out the only decently working video viewer I had
[00:50] <crimsun> (currently it's annoying but nothing that an /ignore doesn't resolve)
[00:50] <crimsun> there.
[00:51] <markgreene> Hey fellas. I am testing out the latest 8.04 release. I am unable to browse a windows network. I go to "Places" -> "Network" -> "Windows Network" and from there i see all the computers. From here I would click the computer I want and be prompted for user credintials. However instead I am presented with nothing but an emtpy window and "smb://[COMPUTER_NAME] in the address bar.
[00:51] <toronto_> !bug 219743
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219743 in linux "4 GiB of RAM installed, ~3.8 GiB reported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219743
[00:52] <maney> similarly rhetorical, is there somewhere I haven't yet found where I can get the timestamps of when package versions went into the repository, as I can at Debian's packages site?
[00:52] <maney> (now that I've asked, I'm thinking I've asked that before and been told that Ubuntu's version just doesn't do that)
[00:53] <maney> now there's a bug I know the FAQ answer for...
[00:53] <crimsun> maney: don't rely on packages.ubuntu.com; it's on a crontab.
[00:54] <crimsun> maney: the definitive source version is available via rmadison -uubuntu, or launchpad.net
[00:54] <crimsun> maney: launchpad & launchpadlibrarian expose timestamps for accepts, builds, etc.
[00:54] <Zeker_> i'm having a problem: when ubuntu is loading something (like a window) or when I'm loading certain pages in firefox, my mouse cursor disappears.  Can anyone offer some help please?
[00:55] <maney> crimsun: uhm, okay, so that would matter if, what, vlc has been dropped from universe altogether since the crontab last fired?
[00:55] <Zambezi> Zeker_: I have no idea, but if you mention the page, someone here could try.
[00:56] <Zeker_> zambezi, it's not just a certain page, it does the same thing even when I'm not online, like when I load the add/remove program.
[00:57] <Zambezi> Zeker_: Haven't heard of that problem.
[00:57] <crimsun> maney: it was intentionally demoted from universe.
[00:57] <crimsun> maney: it contains embedded source that correctly forced its demotion to multiverse.
[00:57] <crimsun>      0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu3 0
[00:57] <crimsun>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Packages
[00:57] <crimsun> note the inclusion of x264 and faad2 in the vlc source.
[00:58] <Zeker_> well it's doing it quite a bit with me zambezi
[00:58] <Zeker_> also, I can't get any sound in my system.  Crimsun suggested checking the alsamixer and it looks fine, all the volume settings are up.  Can anyone offer suggestions?
[00:59] <crimsun> Zeker_: we need info that I requested in #ubuntu.  Please provide it.
[00:59] <maney> ah, a mysterious notation that explains nothing!  thanks, got it.  dunno why they couldn't just *say* so.  BTW, I don't see anything on launchpad that would help me figure any of this out - it just says "yeah, there's a version in Gutsy.  somewhere.  go grep for it?"
[01:00] <maney> which is the kind of stuff that I would have hoped packages.ubunutu.com would help with, and i guess it usually does
[01:00] <crimsun> maney: launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc
[01:01] <maney> by a not so odd coincidence, that's the page I'm looking at
[01:01] <Zeker_> crimsun, I'm trying to get it
[01:01] <Zeker_> i'll have it ready in just a bit
[01:01] <maney> the page contains the word "multiverse"... why, not at all
[01:01] <crimsun> - New versioning scheme to bring attention to the fact that faad and x264 are in the .orig.tar.gz.
[01:01] <crimsun> 0.8.6.release.e+x264svn20071224+faad2.6.1-0ubuntu1  ^^
[01:02] <crimsun> maney: I agree that it's not clear
[01:02] <maney> sure, I saw that cryptic nonsense a long time ago.  if i were a VLC developer i guess I'd understand it right off
[01:03] <maney> that was on packages's listing too.  with the version that must have just been dropped
[01:03] <Zeker_> ok i tried the ./alsa-info.sh command and it says "no such file or directory"
[01:03] <crimsun> maney: see bug 206912
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206912 in vlc "Demote vlc and rdepends to multiverse" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206912
[01:03] <Zeker_> was I supposed to install something beforehand?
[01:04] <crimsun> Zeker_: to where did you download the script?
[01:04] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a way I can change what default program opens when I put a cd in my drive?
[01:04] <Zeker_> i didn't download a script
[01:04] <Zeker_> i just typed ./alsa-info.sh
[01:04] <maney> well, we've already proven the information exists *somewhere* :-)  thanks, guess I'll have to open the floodgates to multiverse now.
[01:04] <Zeker_> into the cmd prompt
[01:05] <crimsun> Zeker_: you have to download the script and /then/ execute it using bash
[01:05] <Zeker_> oh
[01:05] <Zeker_> let me see how to download it...
[01:05] <crimsun> right-click the URL, choose Save As..
[01:05] <crimsun> :-)
[01:07] <fracny> where can i go for hardy + ati help
[01:07] <Zeker_> ok I downloaded the script into my home folder
[01:07] <Zeker_> how do I run it?
[01:08] <fracny> where can i got for hardy/fglrx help
[01:09] <crimsun> Zeker_: in a Terminal, bash ~/alsa-info.sh
[01:12] <marko-_-> fracny, first tell what you need...
[01:12] <marko-_-> and maybe someone from here can help you
[01:13] <DanaG> Argh, my Xorg is being dmanasmasdf
[01:14] <DanaG> being damn slow... so slow I mangled that last wored.
[01:14] <DanaG> word.
[01:14] <DanaG> Stupid nvidia.
[01:14] <DanaG> And I'm not even running compiz at the moment -- because my GPU's stopped working in 3D.
[01:14] <crimsun> Zeker_: any progress?  I need to leave in 10 minutes.
[01:14] <DanaG> I'm so sick and tired of nvidia.
[01:15] <hydrogen> one hickup later!
[01:17] <RyanPrior> DanaG: maybe time to go buy a Linux-compatible video card?
[01:17] <crimsun> (not present)
[01:24] <_derspankster> I'm running the beta on my laptop. My desktop with a Nvidia 6600 is still running Gutsy. I'm concerned about upgrading the desktop because it has the nvidia gpu, should I be?
[01:31] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone i'm having some trouble with GRUB. i'm able to boot using the 2.6.24-12-server kernel but when I try to boot from the 2.6.24-16-server kernel I get an error 24 (Attempt to access block outside partition) and when I try to boot from the 2.6.24-15-server kernel I get an error 16 (Inconsistent file structure). Any ideas what's wrong?
[01:31] <Shpook> Hello everyone. Is it possible to just upgrade to 8.04RC? I don't want to have to download and burn another cd.
[01:31] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Also: e2fs returns no error on disk check
[01:32] <_derspankster> Shpook: are you running beta now?
[01:32] <Zeker_> sorry I took so long you guys
[01:32] <Zeker_> here's the pastebin
[01:32] <Zeker_> http://pastebin.ca/990168
[01:33] <Zeker_> i thought maybe restarting the system would help but it didn't make a difference :(
[01:33] <Shpook> _derspankster: Nope, Gutsy
[01:34] <pen> is there a way to change file system format from reiserfs to ext2 without losing my data?
[01:35] <_derspankster> Shpook: I don't know why you couldn't upgrade to the RC, I upgraded to the Beta.
[01:35] <lufis> I need big time help. I just updated to hardy through update-manager -d, and I'm having the same problem I was having a few months ago with hardy. Gdm comes up and everything works great until i log in. At that point I get a black screen. Everything else works... just the display is black. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do anything.
[01:35] <Zeker_> crimsun, are you still there?
[01:35] <calc> pen: backup, format, copy the data back
[01:35] <lufis> I'm on a dell inspiron laptop, btw
[01:36] <Shpook> _derspankster: I was wondering how, I did it from Feisty to Gusty, but I can't remember how to force it.
[01:36] <pen> calc:  I'm just curious. I tried reiser, it's fine. But is it better than ext3 overall?
[01:37] <calc> pen: i like ext3 better since it is more tested
[01:37] <lufis> ...and i just fixed it. Guess what it was/
[01:37] <Zeker_> can anyone help?  I have no sound in my system
[01:37] <lufis> it was outputting to the vga port by default
[01:37] <calc> pen: but that is probably because i have been using linux a very long time and have been burned by the non-ext3 filesystems in the past
[01:38] <_derspankster> Shpook:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-April/000110.html
[01:38] <calc> pen: the most used linux fs is ext3 so it is most likely to be bug free
[01:38] <pen> calc: ok, but not necessarily faster?
[01:38] <calc> pen: not sure which is fastest, iirc it used to be xfs, but then that one definitely ate data for me
[01:39] <xboxkiller88> dont sacrifice stability for speed
[01:39] <Zeker_> I have no sound in my system and I just checked the alsa mixer and nothing is muted, I checked my hardware and it's all installed correctly, and I just ran the alsa mixer script with this output (http://pastebin.ca/990168
[01:39] <Zeker_> ) I still get no sound.  Can someone please help?
[01:39] <Shpook> _derspankster: Thank you, I just found it on google, it was "update -d"
[01:39] <calc> pen: of course it ate data for me around 5-6 years ago
[01:39] <DanaG> Stupid nvidia.
[01:39] <DanaG> I had to reboot because my consoles were blank.
[01:39] <pen> calc: that's a long time ago
[01:39]  * calc has been using linux for 13 years
[01:39] <Shpook> _derspankster: I appreciate the help. :-D
[01:39] <pen> calc: :O
[01:40] <_derspankster> Shpook: np, good luck!
[01:40] <DanaG> Come summer, I WILL be switching to ATI.
[01:40] <calc> aiui part of the reason it ate data was due to it only journaling metadata (iirc)
[01:40] <DanaG> People may say ATI's drivers are crap, but so are NVIDIA's, in my experience.
[01:40] <_derspankster> DanaG: what nvidia card are you using?
[01:40] <DanaG> ATI's drivers are also getting better over time.
[01:40] <DanaG> Card is GeForce Go 7600.
[01:40] <xboxkiller88> im using ati
[01:40] <pen> calc: should I wait for ext4?
[01:40] <Zeker_> can anyone please help me with my sound problem?
[01:40] <DanaG> And even if ATI's drivers are crap.... I'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap.
[01:41] <xboxkiller88> with drivers from there site better that what i get from yum (fedora 8)
[01:41] <calc> pen: ext4 probably won't be used until 8.10/9.04 at earliest
[01:41] <DanaG> yum?  Sounds like what I say about food.
[01:41] <pen> calc: oh
[01:41] <DanaG> !botsnack
[01:41] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[01:41] <_derspankster> DanaG: I have a 6600 on my desktop but it's still running Gutsy but without issues.
[01:41] <pen> calc: I have heard it's better than it's predecessor.
[01:42] <DanaG> I left my system up over the night, running Azureus with Compiz also active, and Xorg hard-locked.
[01:42] <DanaG> I killed it with a SAK, and when I logged in again, my desktop was severely slow and laggy -- like it was entirely CPU-drawn, even with metacity.
[01:43] <wastrel> sak
[01:43] <wastrel> what's SAK?
[01:43] <DanaG> I went to stop gdm... and found all my consoles to be blank.
[01:43] <DanaG> SAK is alt-sysrq-k.  It's a kernel-level kill of everything on the current TTY.
[01:43] <pen> calc: well
[01:43] <IcemanV9> hardy is coming along nicely!! :-)
[01:43] <pen> calc: then should I switch back to ext3?
[01:43] <wastrel> "swiss army knife"
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, and my dmesg had that "NVRM: Xid" stuff.
[01:46] <DanaG> Usually, running azureus + compiz results in a complete hard-lockup of the whole system after a while.
[01:46] <DanaG> This time I was using a cardbus NIC instead of my integrated one, and only Xorg froze.
[01:47] <testing8> hello there. ﻿just downloaded&burnt 8.04, booted fine, but it doesn't let me use existing partitions.. only all at once
[01:47] <testing8> any ideas?
[01:48] <_derspankster> DanaG: disheartening for sure. But, I've not experienced anything like that, sorry.
[01:49] <DanaG> So, in summer, I'll be getting a new laptop (for a host of other reasons), and jumping ship from nvidia.
[01:49] <wastrel> azureus is a java program isn't it?
[01:49] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:49] <wastrel> you could try with a different jvm
[01:50] <DanaG> But it only causes lockups if I also have a 3D app running at the same time.
[01:50] <DanaG> And by "3d app" -- even the rss-glx screensavers count.
[01:50] <calc> pen: its up to you :) pretty much all of them are better at least in theory its up to how well debugged they are, you may want to search to see if anyone has been having problems with eg reiserfs lately if not you might want to just stay with it
[01:51] <calc> pen: er better than ext3 i mean
[01:51] <testing8> i can see and mount all the drives, but the installer wants me to make a new partition list...
[01:57] <pen> calc: well, I have done some research on those formats before. But almost every format has users who have experienced problems with it.
[01:57] <pen> calc: so I'm confused to choose the best one for my computer setup
[01:57] <pixelmonkey> hey there; I'm trying to upgrade my Ubuntu install from 6.10 to the 8.04 release candidate, however when I pull up update-manager -d it says the latest release is 7.10, not 8.04
[01:57] <luderacer> 8.04 anit out yet is it?
[01:57] <pen> pixelmonkey: then update again after you get to 7.10
[01:57] <pen> luderacer: 5 more days for official
[01:57] <luderacer> :)
[01:58] <pixelmonkey> pen, oh, I need to do it like that?
[01:58] <MTecknology> I think the only other thing I really want to figure out is how to make the login screen not take up 4x the size of my screen. It's just trying to use a resolution that my monitor can't support. Once I log in, it's fine
[01:58] <luderacer> cant wait
[01:58] <pen> pixelmonkey: I think so. Since there are too many changes from 6.10 to 8.04
[01:58] <pen> MTecknology: that's interesting... try to change the themes maybe?
[01:58] <calc> pen: the one least likely to experience problems at least IME is ext3, but it has had problems as well many years ago, I just didn't get personally burned by it since I was using xfs at the time (i think)
[01:59] <calc> pen: so its up to you which fs to use but ext3 is generally the most widely used, and widely used == widely tested/debugged :)
[01:59] <MTecknology> pen, will do - I was just wondering the same thing
[01:59] <pen> calc: but I don't undersatnd why it takes so much space for just format into it
[01:59] <calc> pixelmonkey: the official upgrade path from 6.10 is to 7.04
[02:00] <DanaG> wtf?  quodlibet just stopped showing folder contents.
[02:00] <calc> pixelmonkey: the only direct upgrade paths to 8.04 are 6.06 (LTS) and 7.10
[02:00] <DanaG> That's b0rked.
[02:00] <calc> pen: hmm?
[02:00] <calc> pen: you mean what df shows?
[02:00] <pixelmonkey> pen, if calc, I see... but at the end of the day, if I do the two-step (->7.10 and then ->8.04) upgrade, that's not going to cause major problems, will it?
[02:00] <pen> calc: if you format a fresh partiiton to ext3 the used space is greater than other formats
[02:01] <calc> pen: there is a smallish area used for journal and then iirc 5% is set aside for root user for cases of disk full problems
[02:01] <MTecknology> pen, nope - same problem
[02:01] <calc> pen: you can tweak that with tune2fs
[02:01] <pixelmonkey> at the end of the day, it's just software :-D
[02:01] <pen> pixelmonkey: it shouldn't be, but try to research it on google and see if anyothers are having the same problems
[02:01] <calc> pixelmonkey: it shouldn't cause a problem
[02:01] <pen> calc: oh
[02:01] <pixelmonkey> great, thanks very much for the help guys
[02:02] <pen> MTecknology: are you using the default theme?
[02:02] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a way to change the default program that opens when I put in a cd?
[02:02] <calc> pen: tune2fs -l /dev/filesystem should show you the stats
[02:02] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: system|preferences|preferred program
[02:03] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: something likt that
[02:03] <calc> pen: i don't know that it is safe to change settings on a mounted fs though
[02:03] <Sergeant_Pony> ok, cool
[02:03] <calc> pen: so if you tweak the settings then you probably want to boot off the livecd
[02:03] <MTecknology> pen, I switched back to it - same result - it's just that Ubuntu thinks it can use a higher resolution than my monitor can handle
[02:03] <pen> calc: would it damaged my data?
[02:03] <calc> pen: it might if you do it to a mounted fs
[02:04] <calc> pen: i'm not sure
[02:04] <calc> pen: which is why i said to do it when booted off a livecd instead, that definitely won't damage it
[02:04] <pen> MTecknology: when did it start malfunctioning?
[02:04] <Sergeant_Pony> pen: I installed vlc and it doesn't list it
[02:04] <pen> calc: ok
[02:04] <calc> eg on my system i have: Reserved block count:     419396
[02:05] <calc> which is 1.6GB reserved
[02:05] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: hold on. I think it's somewhere else
[02:05] <calc> for a 32GB fs
[02:05] <MTecknology> pen, I just installed the system today - i wouldn't consider it a malfunction, just in incorrect setting.... basically, it's bigger than I can see on my monitor but I can still log in
[02:06] <pen> calc: I see
[02:06] <calc> pen: the reserved space is for the root user so that you don't end up screwing up the machine if a regular user tries to use of all of the disk
[02:06] <Sergeant_Pony> pen: preferred applications
[02:06] <calc> pen: so it usually a good idea to leave it alone, at least for the root (/ ) filesystem
[02:07] <MTecknology> pen, I need gdm using 1280x1024 instead of 2048x1536
[02:07] <calc> if you end up running (/ ) out of space then logs stop working, etc
[02:07] <calc> well if /var is on the same partition anyway
[02:07] <pen> calc: I see, but I see lost $ found folder after I format to ext3
[02:07] <DanaG> Moving /var is a bit tricky.
[02:07] <pen> MTecknology: go to xorg
[02:07] <DanaG> You need /var/run and /var/log on the root fs.
[02:08] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: It's somewhere else I remember
[02:08] <Sergeant_Pony> ok
[02:08] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: where you can specify what action should take when you insert a cd
[02:08] <calc> pen: that is not a problem, that is where it sticks inodes that it can't figure out what to do with, it should normally always be an empty directory
[02:08] <canen_> hello
[02:09] <pen> MTecknology: I mean go to xorg and comment out some of the predefined resolution
[02:09] <pen> MTecknology: and see if it's still doing that
[02:09] <canen_> i am trying to upgrade to the kubuntu rc with the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[02:09] <canen_> but the "version upgrade" button is not showing up
[02:10] <canen_> i have 3 party repos disabled
[02:10] <pen> calc: ok
[02:10] <canen_> anyone experienced this problem?
[02:10] <MTecknology> pen, I tried deleting them completely - no effect
[02:10] <calc> pen: files will only show in that dir if the filesystem gets screwed up and it can't determine what to do with the files, eg like on windows with chk0001.dsk files
[02:10] <pen> MTecknology: is your GtkRC file check box checked?
[02:10] <calc> pen: or however they are named, its been a long time since i used windows much
[02:10] <pen> calc: i see
[02:10] <pen> calc: that makes sense
[02:11] <MTecknology> pen, ?
[02:11] <pen> MTecknology: in login screen under menu system|adminstration
[02:11] <calc> pen: if you use ext2 and lose power while writing to the disk it will create files there most of the time, for ext3 it usually can determine what to do about the problems
[02:11] <MTecknology> nope - what's that for?
[02:11] <chucklarge> timboy you were helping me earlier, are you still around ?
[02:12] <timboy> chucklarge, yeah just got back on not too long ago. did that work?
[02:12] <chucklarge> no, I disabled the onboard ethernet and have some new settings, but still nothing
[02:13] <thompa> dvds open with the default player and it will not play the menu only one episode.
[02:13] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: sorry, I just can't seem to find it now
[02:13] <pen> calc: what do you mean by that for ext3?
[02:13] <Sergeant_Pony> pen: it's not preferred applications?
[02:13] <pen> MTecknology: specify your own GTK options
[02:13] <chucklarge> timboy new setup http://pastebin.ca/990204
[02:13] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: well, that's one place
[02:13] <pen> Sergeant_Pony: there is another place for specification
[02:14] <Sergeant_Pony> ok
[02:14] <calc> pen: since ext3 is journaling fs it can usually recover from power loss problems
[02:14] <pen> calc: you mean if I create a text file it would save the file to the disk if somehow my power is off?
[02:14] <calc> pen: ext2 is not journaling so it would create files in /lost+found if power was lost while writing to the disk, etc
[02:15] <pen> calc: no, ext3 do that too
[02:15] <pen> calc: i mean
[02:15] <timboy> chucklarge, try putting the auto eth1 before the eth1 settings
[02:15] <pen> calc: ext3 creates the folder too
[02:15] <calc> pen: no ext3/reiser/xfs/etc keeps your disk in consistent state, ext2 can't and so it sees something wrong it moves the inodes entries into /lost+found
[02:15] <calc> pen: on ext3 is it an empty dir for you?
[02:15] <pen> calc: that's strange. I always see /lost+found in ext3
[02:15] <calc> pen: on ext2 pull the power while writing to disk and you will see lots of files in the /lost+found dir
[02:15] <pen> calc: it's an empty dir
[02:16] <calc> the dir will always exist on ext2/ext3 and probably ext4 even
[02:16] <pen> calc: oh, got it
[02:16] <calc> its the dir where they stick lost inodes
[02:16] <MTecknology> pen, so - after i check that, then what?
[02:16] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: you talking about an audio cd?
[02:17] <pen> MTecknology: do you have any experience with xorg.conf?
[02:17] <MTecknology> pen, xorg.conf, yes
[02:17] <MTecknology> not gdm configuration
[02:17] <pen> MTecknology: go to xorg and change the resolutions available to only the desire one left
[02:18] <MTecknology> pen, I said I already did that
[02:18] <chucklarge> timboy : no change
[02:18] <MTecknology> pen, 8.04 relies a lot less on xorg.conf
[02:18] <chucklarge> timboy : restarted network
[02:18] <patifa> What's the package that has a graphical interface for configuring wine?
[02:19] <patifa> I had it installed, by default, into gnome before, now it's gone.
[02:19] <pen> MTecknology: then attach your xorg.conf
[02:19] <MTecknology> pen, k - i did that, I'm trying it out
[02:19] <bazhang> patifa: winedoors?
[02:19] <timboy> chucklarge, what is the error?
[02:19] <pen> MTecknology: ok
[02:19] <ProN00b> what filesystems are supported in heron ?
[02:20] <patifa> I'm not sure, bazhang.
[02:20] <MTecknology> pen, no change
[02:20] <patifa> I had a neat interface for wine in my applications list, then reinstalled wine and lost it.
[02:21] <pen> MTecknology: try this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4716926#post4716926
[02:21] <pen> MTecknology: hopefully this would solve your problem
[02:21] <chucklarge> timboy , no error.  network seems to restart fine.  but i can't even ping my router
[02:22] <DistroJockey> MTecknology: are you restarting the X server after you change xorg.conf?
[02:23] <MTecknology> DistroJockey, normally that doesn't work on this particular computer so I restart
[02:23] <DistroJockey> MTecknology: ahh, k
[02:24] <timboy> chucklarge, oh ok.
[02:25] <timboy> chucklarge, and what is your router's ip? 1.1? does your router not do dhcp?
[02:26] <chucklarge> timboy , yeah 1.1 .  it does dhcp but this is my fileserver, so static
[02:26]  * DanaG wants to see somebody accidentally put an ascii 0001 (initiates CTCP) in a quit message.
[02:26] <chucklarge> i can take it off static and see if that works..
[02:27] <timboy> chucklarge, I was just going to suggest trying to make it try to pull an ip from your router by setting it to dhcp then see if you can ping the router so we can test more variables.
[02:28] <Sergeant_Pony> distrojockey: yes that and dvd's
[02:28] <DistroJockey> ﻿﻿﻿Sergeant_Pony: In Nautilus, goto the Edit menu, then Preferences, then the Media tab
[02:30] <Sergeant_Pony> DistroJockey: nautilus? I don't see it
[02:30] <MTecknology> pen, no go
[02:30] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: filemanager thingy
[02:30] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: Places - HomeFolder ?
[02:30] <Sergeant_Pony> ok...
[02:31] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... VLC isn't listed
[02:31] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: not sure how to add other options there :(
[02:33] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm..no option that I can see
[02:34] <chucklarge> timboy, set it to dhcp and restarted network, this is the echo http://pastebin.ca/990226
[02:36] <timboy> chucklarge, looks like it is a router issue to me. Are there any other computers working on the network? if you set it to static can you ping them?
[02:36] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: hmm,   gnome-volume-manager   comes close (but not quite)
[02:37] <Sergeant_Pony> DistroJockey it's a pita when I put in a cd and have to close out the "default" program and open up VLC. Hoping I can find a way around that.
[02:38] <MTecknology> I think I may have found the setting that was wrong
[02:38] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: are there any options when you right click on the CD?
[02:38] <Sergeant_Pony> 2 options open with rythmnbox or cd extractor
[02:39] <MTecknology> GOT IT!
[02:39] <MTecknology> not exact yet, but 1000x better
[02:39] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: did find this, is related:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-volume-manager/+bug/196962
[02:39] <MTecknology> the "Virtual" setting in xorg.conf is what I need to change
[02:39] <Sergeant_Pony> looking
[02:42] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: maybe try this: Goto  Places - Computer  and right click on the CD there and choose Open with Other Application
[02:42] <crimsun> Zeker_: now I am.
[02:42] <Sergeant_Pony> DistroJockey is nautilus the same thing as opening up the home folder?
[02:42] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: yup
[02:43] <Zeker_> crimsun, haha
[02:43] <Zeker_> welcome back
[02:43] <markgreene> Hey fellas. I am testing out the latest 8.04 release. I am unable to browse a windows network. I go to "Places" -> "Network" -> "Windows Network" and from there i see all the computers. From here I would click the computer I want and be prompted for user credintials. However instead I am presented with nothing but an emtpy window and "smb://[COMPUTER_NAME] in the address bar.
[02:45] <MTecknology> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .... I wonder if that can fix my issue....
[02:47] <cucumbersushi> how are people's experiences with 8.04
[02:47] <MTecknology> cucumbersushi, A+
[02:47] <Sergeant_Pony> DistroJockey : I get this error: Unable to open 'cdda://scd0/' if I open vlc and hit play it works
[02:47] <MTecknology> A- **
[02:48] <Sergeant_Pony> distrojockey and I missing an extra command?
[02:48] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: got something similar when I tried to open an Audio CD with mplayer
[02:48] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: not to sure sorry
[02:48] <DistroJockey> too^
[02:48] <Sergeant_Pony> n/p
[02:49] <cucumbersushi> was thinking of dling 8.04 and installing it over 6.06; is 8.04 more demanding on system req's compared to 6.06? will the system run slower/
[02:49] <virtuald> my update-manager is frozen when it should be asking for my password, anyone want debug info?
[02:49] <MTecknology> cucumbersushi, I think I finally got screen resolution working perfect on my old hardware
[02:50] <DanaG> bug 192888
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[02:50] <DanaG> What are null-sink and pipe-sink?
[02:50] <cucumbersushi> MTecknology cool! i remember having to play around with drivers and xorg or xserver to figure out screen and videocard stuff
[02:50] <DanaG> Oh, and something to watch out for: if you use 'default' -- there'd better be some detection for when 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' has been done.
[02:50] <cucumbersushi> i think that was the scary thing of installing or reinstalling the system -- figuring out screen stuff and plugins etc
[02:51] <DanaG> Otherwise, you get this:
[02:51] <DanaG> ﻿ALSA->Pulse->﻿ALSA->Pulse->﻿ALSA->Pulse->﻿ALSA->Pulse->crash.
[02:52] <eltux> I'm trying to install avant-window-manager onto 8.04 and its telling me I have a "Broken" package
[02:52] <eltux> It gives me the following error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libawn0_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libawn.so.0.0.1', which is also in package libawn-bzr
[02:52] <eltux> How can I fix this?
[02:53] <visualdeception> eltux: try sudo apt-get install -f
[02:53] <ProN00b> will heron have ext4 support ?
[02:53] <eltux> tux@linux-pc:~$ sudo apt-get install -f
[02:53] <eltux> Reading package lists... Done
[02:53] <eltux> Building dependency tree
[02:53] <eltux> Reading state information... Done
[02:53] <eltux> Correcting dependencies... Done
[02:53] <eltux> The following extra packages will be installed:
[02:53] <eltux>   libawn0
[02:53] <eltux> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:54] <eltux>   libawn0
[02:54] <eltux> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:54] <eltux> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[02:54] <eltux> Need to get 0B/48.6kB of archives.
[02:54] <eltux> After this operation, 164kB of additional disk space will be used.
[02:54] <eltux> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[02:54] <eltux> (Reading database ... 123827 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:54] <eltux> Unpacking libawn0 (from .../libawn0_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[02:54] <eltux> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libawn0_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:54] <eltux>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libawn.so.0.0.1', which is also in package libawn-bzr
[02:54] <eltux> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:54] <eltux>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libawn0_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:54] <DanaG> Make sure not to be trying to use official AND unofficial packages at the same time.
[02:54] <eltux> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:54] <visualdeception> whoa, you should use paste bin
[02:54] <eltux> Sorry about that
[02:54] <eltux> Thats what It gave me though
[02:54] <homer_> flood :-)
[02:54] <DanaG> Better build an ark.
[02:54] <eltux> visualdeception: yeah, I figured it wouldn't do that
[02:54] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[02:54] <DanaG> Sorry, felt like being random.
[02:54] <eltux> Everyone: SORRY!!
[02:55] <VoidedCheck> you're forgiven
[02:55] <visualdeception> lol
[02:55] <VoidedCheck> so there's no OP here eh
[02:55] <VoidedCheck> anarchy!
[02:56] <eltux> I upgraded from 7.1 to 8.04 today and I prevously used avant before and all of the packages have the extension -bzr at the end (don't quote me on it)
[02:56] <eltux> so should I be getting rid of all of the old packages then?
[02:56] <visualdeception> eltux: yea, i would
[02:56] <eltux> shit, better find out all of the names again lol
[02:57] <VoidedCheck> I would back up my home directory and fresh install myself, I noticed a lot of cruft when I tried to upgrade
[02:57] <visualdeception> then you can install out of repository sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator
[02:57] <VoidedCheck> and fresh install + updates cost me about an hour
[02:57] <DanaG> Wait.
[02:57] <DanaG> The new packaged one has zero plugins.
[02:57] <DanaG> YOu're better off keeping the bzr one, I think.
[02:58] <homer_> eltux,  better use the bzr one
[02:58] <eltux> VoidedCheck: Thats what I'm going to do next weekend, I don't have my external hard drive here for this weekend
[02:58] <eltux> homer_: its giving me futs
[02:58] <DanaG> I have too much custom stuff -- I won't fresh-install.
[02:59] <homer_> change your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:59] <homer_> add: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/reacocard-awn/ubuntu/ hardy main
[02:59] <eltux> DanaG: I might be ok, I think I have enough where I can remember what it is
[03:00] <homer_> these are the new hardy packages for awn (they are a little bit newer)
[03:00] <eltux> tahdurr, well that fixed my problem. Went through synaptic and deleted the installed awn related packages
[03:00] <pen> MTecknology: still no?
[03:01] <eltux> homer_: Is awn-manager and the applets in there too? I noticed that all of mine are now gone D:
[03:01] <homer_> yes the applets are in there
[03:02] <eltux> well that does it then, here I come new source!
[03:02] <eltux> does it require a key?
[03:02] <homer_> hm there is no key
[03:04] <alecwh> Would it be a good idea to upgrade to the RC of 8.04 to avoid the massive traffic on the actual release?
[03:04] <L0rd_Rahl> What happened to PATA support in the 2.6.24 kernel?
[03:05] <eltux> homer_: awn-manager won't open now
[03:05] <eltux> shi-
[03:06] <homer_> eltux, try to start it from a shell
[03:06] <eltux> there it goes
[03:06] <L0rd_Rahl> Suddenly my ATA cards aren't recognized and my hdx devices changed to sdx. The installer didn't update my fstab...
[03:07] <nickrud> !uuid | L0rd_Rahl there's a link at the end
[03:07] <eltux> homer_: still no applets though D:
[03:07] <ubotu> L0rd_Rahl there's a link at the end: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:07] <L0rd_Rahl> Also the Hardy beta is trying to fsck my encrypted partitions before the crypto loop is setup. Not cool...
[03:08] <crimsun> DanaG: yeah, the cyclical part is a pain, but thankfully it won't occur by default.  i.e., a user has to manually run asoundconf set-pulseaudio to effect that cycle.
[03:08] <L0rd_Rahl> nickrud: Thanks, I read some of that earlier. I guess sometimes you have to stop supporting devices to move forward.
[03:09] <homer_> eltux, sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator-bzr awn-manager-bzr awn-core-applets-bzr
[03:09] <nickrud> L0rd_Rahl luckily I had everything set by uuid's when I switched to hardy
[03:09] <L0rd_Rahl> Kind of sucks though... one of the strengths of linux was that you could run on older hardware. Now it seems that we'll have to buy new hardware every few years to keep up like the windows crowd.
[03:09] <homer_> eltux, and you should have the applets
[03:09] <eltux> homer_: yeah, i just opened synaptic and did it that way instead :D
[03:09] <L0rd_Rahl> Yeah the uuid thing is no big deal, just lost support for 2 different ata cards. Gonna have to do roll back for now.
[03:09] <crimsun> I suppose I could hack alsa-plugins to detect the cycle, but I'm not comfortable doing that for hardy.  In three days.  Right.
[03:09] <nickrud> L0rd_Rahl it shouldn't have lost any devices, just renamed them. If it did, it should be a bug
[03:10] <nickrud> crimsun what's sleep, or reliability got to do with anything?
[03:12] <eltux> what's the command now to get firefox 3 beta 5 to open?
[03:12] <Sergeant_Pony> DistroJockey: I did find a workaround on ubuntu forums
[03:12] <homer_> eltux, /usr/bin/firefox
[03:13] <DistroJockey> Sergeant_Pony: ahh, nice
[03:13] <mhalcrow_home> FYI, with Hardy, no luck getting /dev/md0 to show up on reboot, so I have no root VFS. I'm building 2.6.25 from kernel.org w/ the requisite drivers built in now.
[03:14] <mhalcrow_home> apt-get install mdadm supposedly modified my initrd. That made no difference though.
[03:14] <eltux> homer_: not a directory for me D:
[03:14] <mhalcrow_home> Promise SATA 300 TX4 card.
[03:15] <eltux> homer_: whoops, I'm dumb lol
[03:15] <Optimus55> hey can anyone tell me if the laptop harddrive wear and tear issue has been resolved in the latest release?
[03:15] <homer_> eltux, you can start it from gnome menu internet :-)
[03:15] <eltux> homer_: trying to put it on awn
[03:15] <flank> how do i blacklist "i82875p_edac " and "edac_core "
[03:16] <Optimus55> anyone??
[03:16] <homer_> eltux, command: firefox %u
[03:17] <homer_> eltux, worked for me
[03:17]  * mhalcrow_home is of the opinion that certain drivers should never be built as modules... such as device mapper
[03:17] <tanner> Optimus55: your more likely to have hd damage via physical abuse than "wear and tear" from the filesystem options in ubuntu.
[03:18] <flank> ﻿ how do i blacklist "i82875p_edac " and "edac_core "
[03:18] <paddy2k> hi, i'm having some trouble with 8.04 and my graphics card, where would I submit a bug report?
[03:18] <tanner> blacklist <module name> in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> flank: add them to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:18] <tanner> paddy2k: what is the "bug"
[03:18] <eltux> homer_: it doesn't show up on it D:
[03:19] <eltux> homer_: oh wait, there it is
[03:20] <flank> cant get my compiz working with aiglx and ati
[03:20] <paddy2k> i have a similar problem
[03:21] <paddy2k> Envy says that the operating systems isn't supported by the drivers
[03:21] <flank> how about fglrx
[03:21] <paddy2k> not workin
[03:22] <flank> so your screwed if you have an ati
[03:22] <paddy2k> i don't know
[03:22] <flank> u use envy
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> no... ati+fglrx+compiz works here
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> !envy
[03:22] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[03:22] <paddy2k> from what i've found some people are having the same issue
[03:23] <paddy2k> well I have a radeon 9000 that worked perfectly under 7.10 but stopped working under 8.04
[03:23] <flank> nosrendernaekim how did you get ati+fglrx+compiz
[03:23] <tanner> isn't radeon 9000 a fairly old card
[03:23] <flank> did u follaw a guide
[03:24] <Qwell> pretty safe to dist-upgrade from gutsy at this point?
[03:24] <crdlb> you cannot use fglrx with the radeon 9000
[03:24] <Qwell> "safe", relative
[03:24] <eltux> I love when i use the 3d windows in compiz now it slows wayyyyy down :D
[03:24] <paddy2k> tanner: it's about 5 years old, but as I said it worked earlier today
[03:24] <tanner> paddy2k: radeon 9000 wont work with the fglrx drive
[03:24] <crdlb> paddy2k: what's the problem exactly?
[03:24] <tanner> driver*, you'll have to use the radeon driver
[03:25] <eltux> qwell: I'd say so, I've been running it for awhile now and only had one hiccup which I fixed (avant-window-navigator)
[03:25] <Qwell> sed -i -e 's/gutsy/hardy/' /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[03:26] <paddy2k> desktop effects won't turn on. Ubuntu started up in low graphics mode, so I manually selected the ati, radeon 9000 from the dialogue and it still doesn't work
[03:26] <bcasanov> Hello!
[03:26] <eltux> does anyone know of a plugin for pidgin that will make it transparent like you can do with their windows version?
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> eltux: compiz ;)
[03:26] <flank> any know where i can find a guide to install ati+aiglx+compiz-fusion
[03:27] <tanner> google.com
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> flank: they are very scarce for hardy
[03:27] <eltux> nosrednakim: tell me how, I have compiz running right now
[03:27] <paddy2k> eltux: atl+button3
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> eltux: you need to mess with the transparency settings in ccsm
[03:27] <crdlb> paddy2k: you need to use the 'ati' driver
[03:28] <flank> dose anyone know where i can find a guide to enabe drect rendering
[03:28] <paddy2k> crdlb: i've tried teh ati driver from the official site but no joy
[03:28] <eltux> blarg, I'M LOST lol
[03:28] <crdlb> paddy2k: not that one
[03:28] <crdlb> paddy2k: that's fglrx
[03:29] <paddy2k> crdlb: oh ok, where would i get the ati driver? (thats not goole? ;) )
[03:29] <crdlb> paddy2k: it's installed by default
[03:30] <paddy2k> crdlb: ah right, but it isn't workin. I might try to reinstall. I upgraded. actually might just hold out till the official distro is released.
[03:30] <crdlb> paddy2k: you set the Driver to "ati"?
[03:30] <crdlb> is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
[03:31] <eltux> What would button 4 be? my mouse button?
[03:31] <paddy2k> crdlb: yup, i reinstalled it too
[03:32] <crdlb> eltux: scroll up
[03:32] <eltux> crdlb: ah, there we go
[03:32] <homer_> does any one know how to keep packages setup in apt config
[03:32] <crdlb> button 5 is scroll down
[03:32] <paddy2k> eltux: it;s teh scroll wheelor the right side of your track pad if you ahve a laptop
[03:32] <crdlb> paddy2k: so edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and set the driver to "ati"
[03:33] <eltux> paddy2k: I just have a fancy mouse with btnx thats why I asked. I figured it was one of the side buttons that I was going to have to disable for a minute
[03:36] <eltux> what would be a good SSL support module for pidgin? It's been giving me errors ever since I updated it
[03:37] <eltux> or SSL library
[03:37] <keithclark> Hi all
[03:37] <eltux> Its hindering me from using GTalk and MSN
[03:38] <eltux> hi kiethclark
[03:38] <paddy2k> crdlb:  started the low-graphics version there and selected ati but I still got "Desktop Effects could not be enabled" and then I checked my xorg.conf and ati was the driver
[03:38] <crdlb> paddy2k: ok, but you had direct rendering?
[03:39] <paddy2k> crdlb: sorry i'm very clueless when it comes to xorg, direct rendering?
[03:40] <crdlb> glxinfo | grep direct
[03:42] <paddy2k> crdlb: no it looks like I'm not
[03:42] <crdlb> then pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:45] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)?
[03:45] <icanhas> So does this channel disapear on the 24th?
[03:45] <latitu> icanhas no i think. it will be there for the next
[03:46] <latitu> i think..
[03:46] <icanhas> o i see :D I guess that makes more sense lol
[03:46] <paddy2k> crdlb: http://pastebin.com/m3e6a82c1
[03:46] <icanhas> crdlb: Hello today.
[03:46] <latitu> any help for me?
[03:46] <latitu> icanhas hi yesterday
[03:46] <crdlb> paddy2k: your xorg.conf is set to Driver "ati" right now?
[03:46] <duncanm> hello, i'm having issues with the nvidia driver
[03:46] <paddy2k> yea
[03:47] <duncanm> i think it has to do with the fact that my pci id is not listed?
[03:47] <duncanm> i installed the RC from an existing gutsy install
[03:47] <crdlb> paddy2k: is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log any different?
[03:47] <crdlb> err
[03:47] <crdlb> paddy2k: is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old any different?
[03:48] <paynito> i have just upgraded from 6.10 to 8.04 via update manager, now all my menus and cancel, ok, login, password only show boxes, some kind of font issue, i can type in the terminal and see the letters fine, i can type and read letters inside of firefox but the firefox window name is only boxes
[03:48] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)?
[03:49] <paddy2k> crdlb: it looks the same, i think there#s an extra line at the bottom about the freefontpath
[03:50] <crdlb> arg BulletProofX
[03:50] <crdlb> there's no way to see what the real error is unless you stop gdm and startx manually
[03:51] <paynito> sorry, make that 6.06
[03:51] <paddy2k> crdlb: thanks for all your help, but it's gettin late here and i think i'm just gonna turn in.
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> paynito: and thats the only problem? awesome :)
[03:52] <crdlb> ok, I'll be doing the same soon
[03:52] <paynito> thanks nosrednaekim, that really puts things into perspective
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> paynito: wounds like some sort of font issue.... try running "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" to make sure you have all the packages, if that doesn't work, try making a new user
[03:54] <paynito> i was watching the terminal window in update manager, it kept saying "can't find En:Au Language, reverting to C"
[03:54] <DanaG> En:Au is mis-capitalized.
[03:54] <jgt157> does anyone know if the problems with wine are being worked on?
[03:54] <DanaG> Go back to the language thingy in system admin menu.
[03:56] <paynito> tons of dependency errors  . . .depends: gnome menus but it is not going to be installed , depend:xorg but it is not going to be installed E:broken packages, this after running
[03:56] <paynito> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> save those errors, they are important to the ubuntu devs
[03:57] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)?
[03:58] <jgt157> is there a separate support channel for kubuntu hardy?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> jgt157: nope
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> paynito: and file a bug
[03:59] <jgt157> thx
[04:01] <paynito> ok, i copied it and will file at bugs.launchpad.net??
[04:01] <keanu> been trying the past few days without much of an answer - can someone explain why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is still installed by default instead of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[04:06] <latitu>  if i dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz      , it will copy data including freespace too or just files ?
[04:07] <icanhas> keanu: alsa works better?
[04:07] <keanu> icanhas, alsa doesn't work at all
[04:08] <keanu> icanhas, tested with rockbox simulator and frozen bubble - no sound unless -pulseaudio is used
[04:08] <icanhas> keanu: Well then configure it :D To answer your question, i'm honestly not sure. I found the same thing to be true (about the default alsa install).
[04:09] <keanu> icanhas, there's no configuration to change it
[04:09] <latitu> if i dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz      , it will copy data including freespace too or just files ?
[04:10] <keanu> icanhas, since pulseaudio is the default sound server, it makes sense to have -pulseaudio installed by default over -alsa
[04:10] <icanhas> keanu: absolutely that makes sense. honestly i was slightly confused also.
[04:12] <gunashekar> i dont think pulse audio is a replacement for alsa
[04:12] <keanu> gunashekar, then explain why -pulseaudio is required for sound in SDL applications
[04:12] <hydrogen> pulseaudio is a layer over alsa
[04:12] <hydrogen> it's not a replacement
[04:12] <keanu> ok
[04:13] <keanu> but even so, when i tested, libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio was required to prevent segfaulting and sound output - -alsa (default installed) didn't work
[04:13] <gunashekar> applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card.
[04:14] <icanhas> There you go. knew there was an answer :P
[04:14] <timboy> chucklarge, news?
[04:14] <keanu> gunashekar, so why doesn't sound work without -alsa being replaced with -pulseaudio?
[04:14] <keanu> (on SDL applications)
[04:15] <keanu> example applications being frozen-bubble and the rockbox simulator (frozen bubble being easier to get)
[04:15] <gunashekar> PulseAudio also provides its own native interface to applications that want to support PulseAudio directly
[04:16] <keanu> gunashekar, just to make sure it isn't my system that isn't screwed up, can you try installing frozen-bubble and see if there's sound?
[04:16] <gunashekar> pulseaudio aims to act as a sound server
[04:16] <gunashekar> ok wait
[04:16] <keanu> don't want to be sitting here making useless arguments ;)
[04:16] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)? it was working fine until i  upgraded to hardy..........
[04:16] <mooboo1> please put kernel 2.6.25 in the repo
[04:16] <mooboo1> or in hardy-proposed
[04:17] <mooboo1> or in hardy-backports
[04:17] <mooboo1> or just make a .deb that we can download and install manually
[04:17] <timboy> I second that mooboo1 !
[04:17] <wastrel> i have 2.6.24
[04:17] <wastrel> hrm no i have .22
[04:18] <timboy> wastrel, you are running gutsy if you have .22
[04:18] <icanhas> What's so special about 2.6.25?
[04:18] <Dr_willis> if making an image of a drive with freespace. its often worth wile to zero out the freespace from what ive read/done with Mondo/mindi. otherwise your freespace will be random data. that wont compress very well.
[04:18] <hydrogen> I'm pretty sure 2.6.25 is not going to be packaged for hardy
[04:18] <wastrel> heh i'm ssh'd into my gusty box
[04:18] <wastrel> yeah i have 24 on the laptop
[04:18] <mooboo1> icanhas, PIE execute memory randomization, group scheduling, etc
[04:18] <wastrel> i knew i had 24 somewhere. but i did uname -r to check :]
[04:19] <timboy> wastrel,  you're just trying to be cool... we all know. ;)
[04:19] <latitu> how to completely check a partition? ext3
[04:19] <chucklarge> timboy, hey.  well no luck.   i see the computer in my router cp with a dhcp address.   In network settings on computer, I see the dns servers show up and search ... .  but i can get any network connections.   aside from that, other odd stuff is happening with gnome, but i am not worried about that right now.
[04:19] <Dr_willis> i wonder if .24 could have those optins. and if they are just disabled...
[04:19] <Dr_willis> latitu,  badblocks command, and fsck.
[04:19] <mooboo1> latitu, fsck
[04:19] <gunashekar> keanu: the sound works well
[04:19] <latitu> fsck does checks badsecots?
[04:20] <mooboo1> Dr_willis, fsck calls badblock if you use a certain parameter
[04:20] <keanu> gunashekar, and you have libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed?
[04:20] <latitu> Dr_willis what is the badblocks comand ?
[04:20] <mooboo1> latitu, yes, if you have a certain parameter
[04:20] <Dr_willis> latitu,  whats why i said 'badblocks' specifically.
[04:20] <mooboo1> -cfv i think or something
[04:20] <Dr_willis> mooboo1,  does it? never noticed . perhaps becase i never had badblocks.. :)
[04:20] <gunashekar> keanu: lemme check
[04:20] <mooboo1> Dr_willis, hehe, you dont know that :p
[04:20] <Dr_willis> oh. its an optional thang eh.
[04:20] <timboy> chucklarge, ok weird. sorry for all the trouble. I like it more when people say that fixed it... ;)
[04:21] <Dr_willis> mooboo1,  im a leet haxor. my hardware is perfect! like my os!
[04:21] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:21] <rcampbel> Can anyone help with nvidia over svideo issues? Everything working hooked to lcd. No video out on TV via svideo once nvidia drivers load :(
[04:21] <mooboo1> Dr_willis, yeah, maybe if you made it yourself
[04:21] <gunashekar> keanu: yes it is installed
[04:21] <mooboo1> i cry because ubuntu dont come with full disk encryption :(
[04:21] <latitu> Dr_willis mooboo1 i did "sudo touch /forcefsck"     and it checked my distro partition  on reboot. is that enough?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> rcampbel,  to enable tv out for my nvidia cards i had to use twinview and set the tv to be cloned, or part of the larget desktop
[04:21] <keanu> gunashekar, weird
[04:21] <keanu> maybe it is just my system then
[04:21] <Dr_willis> latitu,  depends on what you are wanting to do exactly. that checked the filesystems.
[04:22] <gunashekar> maybe
[04:22] <latitu> Dr_willis i want to check each and everything possible on the partition. how can i do it. i run my os in that. ubuntu
[04:22] <rcampbel> Dr_willis: Thanks. I'll try that.
[04:22] <latitu> ?
[04:22] <mooboo1> latitu, not sure
[04:22] <Dr_willis> latitu,  badblocks checks the drive for bad blocks, and other erores. fsck checks the filesystem. Run each and see.
[04:23] <latitu> Dr_willis how to run all in one command
[04:23] <Dr_willis> why are you doing all this work onyour hard drive? is ther some actual problem? or are you jsut being parnoid?
[04:23] <paynito> inside the language thingy I think it is the one with the flags
[04:23] <paynito> i can only see boxes, no words like english french etc
[04:23] <paynito> which checkbox should i check
[04:23] <paynito> the first the 5th ???
[04:24] <latitu> Dr_willis i want to be sure and check
[04:24] <chucklarge> timboy, thanks, I really appreciate your help. not sure what i can do either.
[04:25] <timboy> chucklarge, np that's what we're supposed to be here for... ;)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> latitu,  i normally boot a live cd and fsck the various filesystems.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> latitu,  thats about all ive ever needed to do.
[04:26] <latitu> fsck -t ext3 /dev/hda2
[04:27] <latitu> I want to check everything. files badsectors. etc
[04:27] <Dr_willis> latitu,  which is basicially iendital to what you did with the touch /forcesfck thing on bootup.
[04:27] <paynito> can some one open the language selector and tell me which check box is english and which item in the drop-down menu?
[04:27] <latitu> Dr_willis how can i check every thing by touch /forcesfck        ?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> latitu,  run the badblocks command for each partition beforhand i guess.   seeif it reports any error messages., but im not seeing how badblocks fixs things. Im checking its man pages now.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> latitu,  that does a fsck, that does check everthing basicially
[04:28] <latitu> Dr_willis complete command?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> fsck.ext3 /dev/devicename
[04:28] <timboy> ouch that sucks paynito. where's the language selector?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> time to check the 'man fsck.ext3' and 'man badblocks' pages.   Im rereading them now.
[04:29] <paynito> there are 3 menus on top of the screen
[04:29] <Pelo> evening folks
[04:29] <Dr_willis> aha. for fsck.ext3 -c     This  option  causes  e2fsck  to use badblocks(8) program to do a read-only scan of the device in order to find any bad blocks.  If any bad blocks are found, they are added to the bad block inode to prevent them from
[04:29] <Dr_willis>               being allocated to a file or directory.  If this option is specified twice, then the bad block scan will be done using a non-destructive read-write test.
[04:29] <Pelo> what happened to the "hardware info" app in sys>prefs ?
[04:29] <paynito> the 3rd, then the one with the gear, then the flags
[04:30] <Pelo> paynito,  applications , places , system ?
[04:30] <paynito> system, then admin?
[04:31] <Pelo> paynito, what are you inquireing about ?
[04:31] <paynito> i can only see these boxes
[04:31] <paynito> no letters
[04:31] <Pelo> paynito, did  you change the theme ?
[04:31] <paynito> applications is only as many rectangles
[04:32] <paynito> i upgraded 6.06 to 8.04 using upgrade-manager
[04:32] <paynito> it gave me several errors about not finding australian english and
[04:32] <paynito> defaulting to C
[04:32] <paynito> but i don't know if those errors are directly related to the menu problem
[04:33] <Pelo> paynito, ther is a good chance, hold on
[04:33] <paynito> but i can see fonts and letters in terminal and firefox
[04:33] <Pelo> paynito,  run this command in alt+f2  gksu  /usr/bin/gnome-language-selector
[04:34] <Pelo> select standard english from it
[04:34] <paynito> PangoWarning: pango_font_get_metrics called with bad font, expect ugly output
[04:34] <paynito> yes, i have gnome-language selector open, but i can't tell which one is standard english, can you tell me is it the first one?
[04:35] <paynito> there are check boxes and also a drop-down selector
[04:35] <Pelo> paynito, just pick the one that says english , with noting else after
[04:35] <Pelo> you can see the text right ?
[04:35] <paynito> no, i can't see the text
[04:36] <Pelo> paynito, ok close that
[04:36] <paynito> ok
[04:37] <Pelo> paynito, right click the desktop,   select   change wallpaper,   that gets you to the apperance dalog box,  the first tab is the theme one ,  clickc on it and select the default human theme for ubuntu,  the title bar is orange  there should be only one like that , then click the apply button
[04:37] <Pelo> nvm the apply button it shoud apply on it's own ,
[04:38] <Pelo> do the colours of the text in the top pannel change so you can read the text ?
[04:38] <paynito> just a sec
[04:39] <bullgard4> After upgrading, Hardy shows the letters in the GNOME terminal blurred. But the letters of GNOME menu items and Tracker Search are crisp. How to explain this?
[04:39] <mooboo1> no idea, screenshot?
[04:39] <Pelo> bullgard4, I don't
[04:40] <Pelo> paynito, better ?
[04:40] <paynito> i will reboot, there is something like a bug reporter that pops up and won't let me do anything else, it has an ugly cockroach in the top right
[04:41] <Pelo> paynito,  donT reboot yet,
[04:41] <Pelo> paynito, in that same dialog from the change wallpaper menu ,  the middle one is the fonts,  put them all to sans 10
[04:41] <paynito> i keep trying to right click on the desktop and nothing happens, no menu
[04:42] <Pelo> paynito, try other buttons on your mouse
[04:42] <Pelo> paynito, ok try this,  in alt f2  put  gnome-appearance-properties
[04:43] <paynito> ok
[04:43] <Pelo> tell me if  you get the dialog box opening
[04:44] <Pelo> paynito, gettng there ?
[04:44] <paynito> sure it's not apperances?
[04:44] <paynito> i get some error
[04:44] <Pelo> paynito,  I copy pasted , try this instead maybe  gnome-appearance-properties %F
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> ive updated some packages
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> i reboot
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> and i have auto-login set
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> so i get in and then try and do something
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> it asks for password my user password doesnt work :/
[04:45] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV, one line please
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> i even tried my root password it didnt work
[04:45] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: Sorry
[04:45] <paynito> still error
[04:45] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV, cap locks ?
[04:45] <Pelo> paynito,  reboot, and come back
[04:46] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: ?
[04:46] <paynito> ok, the irc is on a second computer
[04:46] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV,  did you have cap locks on when you typed your password,  linux is case sensitive
[04:46] <Pelo> paynito, ah ok
[04:46] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: No
[04:46] <DanaG> Hmm, I usually end up force-quitting Firefox 3.0 because it takes too long to quit.
[04:47] <DanaG> Quit.....sputter....sputter....KILL.
[04:47] <ATOMBOMBIIV> i cant use internet because my firewall locks the traffic to the outside world out until i start the GUI
[04:47] <ATOMBOMBIIV> which requires Root privilages
[04:47] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV, what were you doing that it asked for your password ?
[04:47] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: read above
[04:47] <paynito> can i use cli to make sure i have the hardy repositories selected?
[04:48] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV,   " so i get in and then try and do something" does not tell me what you were trying to do
[04:48] <Pelo> paynito,  if you did the upgrade properly you should only have hardy repos,  how did you do the upgrade ?
[04:49] <paynito> from upgrade-manager it asked me to insert a cd and i inserted a 8.04 beta, not the alt-install beta
[04:49] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: the thing about my firewall....i use a firewall that unless i start the GUI i cant use the internet and it requires root privialages to start
[04:49] <paynito> it was downloading alot of stuff, i don't know what it was taking from the cd
[04:50] <Pelo> paynito, is that computer connected to the internet ? boot the recovery mode and run  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , maybe it didn'T get to finish
[04:50] <paynito> i select recovery from grub?
[04:51] <Pelo> paynito,  it was probably taking the basic stuff from the cd and the rest from the web
[04:51] <Pelo> paynito, yes
[04:51] <paynito> that sounds worth a try
[04:51] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Pelo: Basically my password that i set for my first account doesnt work anymore.
[04:53] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV,  if you can get your password to work in recovery mode ,  sudo iptables -f will clear  your firewall and should restore your connection
[04:53] <Pelo> ATOMBOMBIIV,  I have no idea how to recover or reset a password
[04:54] <mhalcrow_home> Well, after sacrificing a goat and sprinkling its blood on my drives, I was finally able to get Hardy to boot from a RAID-5 array.
[04:54] <Pelo> mhalcrow_home, goat blood, thanks i'll make a note for future references
[04:55] <Dr_willis> boot live cd, chroot in, as root  passwd USERNAME
[04:55] <Dr_willis> is how ive reset the passwords befor.
[04:55] <paynito> ok, Pelo it's working on sudo apt-get update, i will go to lunch
[04:55]  * Pelo makes a note after   virgina+volcano for ati and blackcoq + fullmoon for wifi
[04:55] <Pelo> paynito, best of luck
[04:56] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Dr_willis: Could i use the recovery console?
[04:56] <ATOMBOMBIIV> doesnt it automaticly login as root?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> ATOMBOMBIIV,  try it and see.
[04:56] <paynito> thank you man, i'll try right clicking the desktop again if the fonts are still bad after this
[04:56] <ATOMBOMBIIV> i think from a root prompt i could use passwd to change the pass
[04:56] <Dr_willis> of course tehres the 'password not working' problem.. thats different from a 'i frogot my password' problem
[04:56] <Pelo> paynito,last option at the bottom of the right lcick menu,   and middle tab
[04:57] <Pelo> arighty , good night folks
[04:59] <LabThug> Hardy RC is generating this ata error on my machine, how do I fix?  <http://www.labthug.com/~adrian/DSC01219.JPG>
[05:01] <LabThug> moya, do you know anything about ata errors?
[05:02] <ATOMBOMBIIV> Dr_willis: i havent forgot my password.
[05:02] <ATOMBOMBIIV> it just doesnt work :/
[05:02] <Dr_willis> ATOMBOMBIIV,  that can be a .. harder problem to figure out then.
[05:02] <bullgard4> After upgrading, Hardy shows the letters in the GNOME terminal blurred. But the letters of GNOME menu items and Tracker Search are crisp. How to explain this?
[05:03] <Dr_willis> bullgard4,  change tghe fonts  gnome-terminal is using perhaps?
[05:03] <Dr_willis> could be the  anti-aliasing settings are  set to only enable AA for specific sized fonts or higher also.
[05:05] <LabThug> ooooh, thunder
[05:05] <LabThug> LOUD thunder
[05:06] <pen> !xmms
[05:06] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[05:06]  * Dr_willis watches LabThug 's lights dim.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> xmms is no longer in the repos ibelive
[05:07] <pen> what do you guys think of xmms2?
[05:07] <pen> I know
[05:07] <pen> I 'm considering installing xmms2
[05:07] <VoidedCheck> meh
[05:07] <Dr_willis> We had a discussion of this ysterday. :)  I cant seem to get xmms2 to do .. err... much of anytying. heh
[05:07] <pen> is it good?
[05:07] <VoidedCheck> I'm fine with rhythmbox for now
[05:07] <zionpsyfer> audacious ftw
[05:08] <Dr_willis> audacious does what i need. Xmms2 is a bit.. extream in what its trying to do from what little i usedit.
[05:08] <pen> Dr_willis: what do you mean?
[05:08] <VoidedCheck> xmms2 is recent?
[05:08] <VoidedCheck> in the repositories?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> install it and see. its  like a whole music server/tool, not just a player any more
[05:08] <Dr_willis> !info xmms2
[05:08] <pen> VoidedCheck: it's in the repository
[05:08] <ubotu> xmms2 (source: xmms2): Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[05:09] <VoidedCheck> I mean is is it a recent addition to the repositories, sorry
[05:09] <pen> Dr_willis: does it still maintain the winamp style?
[05:09] <pen> Dr_willis: what is the difference?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> pen,  technically xmms2 dosent have a gui. :) you install the various front ends for a gui
[05:09] <pen> Dr_willis: What good about the server thing
[05:09] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search xmms2
[05:09] <Dr_willis> and look at all the stuff it has
[05:09] <pen> Dr_willis: I see
[05:10] <Dr_willis> i dont need a 'media layer system' i wanted a player. :) plain and simple for my tunes.
[05:10] <pen> Dr_willis: I wonder why xmms is not xmms anymore
[05:11] <zionpsyfer> more like fubar 2k than winamp now imho.  Agreed with Dr_willis.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> pen,  i heard debian droped it due to unfixed security issues.. last  i used xmms - it had a lot of other issues.
[05:11] <pen> Dr_willis: I see
[05:11] <Dr_willis> If you want xmms, you can compile it from source I guess.   Audacious is very close to xmms.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I perfer bmpx since i like to listen to last.fm
[05:11] <VoidedCheck> yeah fubar was great
[05:11] <pen> Dr_willis: I tried, but just not used to it. I would wish it's better library management
[05:12] <VoidedCheck> basicly like ncurses, should be easy enough right?
[05:12] <VoidedCheck> right?
[05:12] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis: Have you experienced any lag or weirdness with streams from shoutcast/etc from audacious?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I really dont mess with  my libary much.. select all, play random..
[05:12] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  not that ive noticed.
[05:12] <pen> VoidedCheck: never use that before, what is it like?
[05:13] <pen> Dr_willis: I don't like a separate mp3 tag editor
[05:13] <VoidedCheck> what was that webcomic with the guy making out with gf and he had his player on random, and it started playing.. "Go go power rangers!"
[05:13] <VoidedCheck> fubar?
[05:13] <VoidedCheck> fubar is crack for music on windows
[05:13] <Dr_willis> pen,  i got my tags set.. so i dont need to edit them any more. :)
[05:13] <VoidedCheck> it's not pretty, but it gets the job done in spades
[05:14] <VoidedCheck> and now it's not as ugly as it used to be
[05:14] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  im playing some shoutcast with  audious now..  lets see if i have any issues
[05:14] <VoidedCheck> or were you asking about ncurses?
[05:15] <bullgard4> Dr_willis: I have changed the font that gnome-terminal is using. The GNOME terminal still displays letters blurred. My guess is that the GNOME terminal takes a wrong dpi value (96 dpi instead of actually needed 85) and displays the letters using using anti-aliasing.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> I for one would perfer to see all these players go back to a more 'standard/common/normal program interface' then all these themeable Eyesores ive seen so many use
[05:15] <zionpsyfer> Here's hoping... audacious in 7.10 worked great for local files but took a good 30 seconds to load playlists from shoutcast.
[05:15] <VoidedCheck> ncurses is basically a way of having some interactive interface to a command line
[05:15] <zionpsyfer> xmms was my backup for streaming.
[05:15] <DanaG> VoidedCheck: comic is xkcd
[05:15] <VoidedCheck> yeah  :)  :)
[05:15] <VoidedCheck> that comic rocks
[05:15] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  Hmm. Im using Streamtuner to get the shoutcast playlist, it then loads/sends them to audacious
[05:15] <pen> ha
[05:16] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  not even noticed audacious having its own shoutcast listing area. lets ee
[05:16] <VoidedCheck> I like "Make me a sandwich."  "No way!"  "sudo make me a sandwich,"  "ok."
[05:16] <IdleOne> !info libc6-i686
[05:16] <ubotu> libc6-i686 (source: glibc): GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]. In component main, is important. Version 2.7-10ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 1213 kB, installed size 2724 kB
[05:17] <AHarun> Hey cool, suspend works on Hardy. (Just thought I'd share my glee.)
[05:17] <mooboo1> i want kernel 2.6.25
[05:17] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis:  yeah, I just had audacious set to handle .pls, I always queued from FF
[05:17] <VoidedCheck> I'm going to roll my own next.
[05:18] <VoidedCheck> I tried it before, and I choked at modules, but I think I got it overed now.
[05:18] <VoidedCheck> *covered
[05:18] <VoidedCheck> wasn't really that hard
[05:19] <zionpsyfer> streamtuner... never tried that.  added to my post upgrade list
[05:19] <VoidedCheck> all the knowledge is literally at your fingertips
[05:19]  * DanaG wants THIS:
[05:19] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/25/54
[05:19] <VoidedCheck> chroot is freaking kewl
[05:19] <pen> I installed audacious now there is no sound
[05:20] <pen> it doesn't even start playing
[05:20] <pen> omg haha
[05:20] <crimsun> pen: install audacious-plugins-extra
[05:20] <VoidedCheck> whee
[05:20] <pen> crimsun: k
[05:20] <crimsun> if you're using a default Ubuntu install, you probably need to configure audacious to use the pulseaudio output.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Yea - it pays to apt-cache search whATEVER for all these tools.
[05:20] <pen> crimsun: i did change it to pulse
[05:20] <zionpsyfer> pulse... I'm a bit apprehensive.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm,.. Im using KDE. so i dident need to change it to pulse. :)
[05:21] <VoidedCheck> default ubuntu install from which source?
[05:21] <pen> crimsun: I'm going to install extra
[05:21] <DanaG> I want that HP MDPS driver.
[05:21] <VoidedCheck> beta, rc, eh?
[05:21] <zionpsyfer> heh
[05:21] <pen> rc I think
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Pluse- has a lot of neat features. - but ive got like no need for them. :)
[05:21] <pen> I update
[05:21] <VoidedCheck> please do
[05:22] <pen> VoidedCheck: I mean I follow every update
[05:22] <VoidedCheck> ah ok  :P
[05:22] <pen> after install the extra still no sound
[05:22] <VoidedCheck> do you have sound on other players?
[05:22] <pen> I have firefox opened
[05:23] <pen> I change audio back to alsa still no sound
[05:23] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis:  The promise of solving the esd, oss, alsa mess would be worth it alone though wouldn't you agree?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  amazingly enough.. i rarely have any problems with my sound..
[05:24] <DanaG> ....as long as they fix the "apps eat all RAM if Pulse dies" issue...
[05:24] <VoidedCheck> sound and video are the major hangs when there are hangs atm
[05:24] <crimsun> pen: do you have a Flash applet open?
[05:24] <pen> crimsun: flash and applet? maybe
[05:24] <crimsun> if so, you have to close Firefox, or you have to install libflashsupport, or you have to use my pulse config diff.
[05:25] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis: really?  Any gaming?  I have a heck of a time with gaming/voice chat/music.
[05:25] <pen> I install libflashsupport
[05:25] <pen> ed
[05:25] <crimsun> I hate how hackish this all became at the last moment.
[05:25] <DanaG> argh, why the **** does quodlibet stop showing any files after a wile?
[05:25] <DanaG> while.
[05:25] <pen> crimsun: why is this not working out of box?
[05:25] <VoidedCheck> did you install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[05:25] <pen> I did
[05:25] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  i cant recall any issues. I do recall doing teamspeak while jamming to Kenny G. befor.  and skype.  no issues.
[05:25] <VoidedCheck> 32 or 64 bit?
[05:25] <pen> I install all I need to make flash and java work
[05:25] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  i know a lot of others have issues.. but i enver seem to have any
[05:25] <crimsun> pen: because libflashsupport was pinpointed as the culprit of many Firefox crashers with Flash.
[05:26] <Dr_willis> zionpsyfer,  perhaps its very good that i have a creative sound card. :)
[05:26] <pen> crimsun: I install the patch from the perfect setup in pulseausio page
[05:26] <crimsun> pen: which patch?
[05:26] <pen> crimsun: it's in the perfect setup
[05:26] <crimsun> pen: there are a /lot/ of those mentioned.  Which?
[05:26] <VoidedCheck> there's a perfect setup of flash?
[05:27] <VoidedCheck> *shocked*
[05:27] <Dr_willis> perfect flash = dont use it. :P
[05:27] <Dr_willis> it had to be said...
[05:27] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[05:27] <pen> VoidedCheck: yay...hehe
[05:27] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis: heh, that might be it.  :)
[05:27] <pen> crimsun: the one in whcih you have to download the source and compile
[05:27] <crimsun> pen: meaning libflashsupport that's in universe?
[05:27] <VoidedCheck> where did you download it from?
[05:27] <pen> crimsun: no
[05:28] <zionpsyfer> Moment of truth... reboot time..
[05:28] <VoidedCheck> gl
[05:28] <pen> let me find it
[05:28] <zionpsyfer> lol
[05:28] <pen> http://project.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio
[05:28] <pen> here
[05:29] <bullgard4> After upgrading, Hardy shows the letters in the GNOME terminal blurred. But the letters of GNOME menu items and Tracker Search are crisp. How to explain this?  My guess is that the GNOME terminal takes a wrong dpi value (96 dpi instead of actually needed 85) and displays the letters using anti-aliasing.
[05:29] <VoidedCheck> did you compile from source?
[05:30] <crimsun> pen: that's the old, deprecated version of libflashsupport.
[05:30] <pen> crimsun: really?
[05:30] <VoidedCheck> jeez
[05:30] <VoidedCheck> what a mess
[05:30] <crimsun> pen: you should be using the version that's in the universe component.
[05:30] <pen> btw, this is the error mesg I got from audacious when I click play
[05:30] <pen> MADPlug-Message: failed to open audio output: XMMS reverse compatibility output plugin
[05:30] <pen> crimsun: ok
[05:30] <crimsun> I sense impending doom.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> xmms still haunts us!
[05:31] <VoidedCheck> it's just your nerves
[05:32] <DanaG> Oh wait, the libflashsupport in the repos is old?  Is that why it crashes?
[05:32] <pen> crimsun: btw, what version is it in the repos?
[05:32] <DanaG> (Or part of it, at least.)
[05:32] <pen> crimsun: you said it's the latest
[05:33] <VoidedCheck> 1.9.0ubuntu1
[05:33] <VoidedCheck> *1.9-0ubuntu1
[05:33] <VoidedCheck> that's the one I see
[05:33] <pen> that's the one I got too
[05:33] <pen> is that the lastest?
[05:33] <crimsun> DanaG: no, revolutionlinux hosted the original pulse support
[05:34] <crimsun> DanaG: lennart cleaned it up, and it's what is known as libflashsupport in hardy
[05:34] <DanaG> aah.
[05:34] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if you do use the 'default' device, how will you prevent infinite recursion?
[05:35] <crimsun> DanaG: answered above.  Currently, no way, and although I can hack up something for alsa-lib, there's no way I'd put it into hardy.
[05:35] <DanaG> aah.
[05:35] <crimsun> s/lib/plugins/
[05:35] <pen> crimsun: btw, even after I close firefox audacious still have no sound when play
[05:35] <DanaG> Perhaps you could have asoundconf itself do it?
[05:36] <pen> MADPlug-Message: failed to open audio output: XMMS reverse compatibility output plugin
[05:36] <DanaG> Have asoundconf look at the pulseaudio config file.
[05:36] <pen> what does this mean?
[05:36] <crimsun> pen: well, do you hear anything from `paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'?
[05:36] <pen> paplay?
[05:36] <pen> I use mpg123
[05:36] <pen> does that make a difference?
[05:36] <crimsun> no, use paplay.
[05:36] <crimsun> we're testing PulseAudio output specifically.
[05:37] <crimsun> DanaG: I considered it, but that really complicates asoundconf
[05:37] <pen> crimsun: wav file?
[05:37] <crimsun> pen: yes
[05:37] <pen> crimsun: I have only mp3
[05:37] <crimsun> pen: ...no, you also have wavs.
[05:37] <pen> crimsun: nvm
[05:38] <pen> crimsun: yes, there is sound
[05:38] <bullgard4> [GNOME] System > Preferences > Appearances will open the Appearance_Preferences_dialog. Go to the Fonts dialog. What are the names of the upper 5 fields there in English? (I am using a foreign Hardy version and should like to know their English names.)
[05:38] <pen> what happened to audacious?
[05:38] <crimsun> pen: no idea.  I'm not familiar with it.
[05:38] <bullgard4> [GNOME] System > Preferences > Appearances will open the Appearance_Preferences_dialog. Go to the Fonts tab. What are the names of the upper 5 fields there in English? (I am using a foreign Hardy version and should like to know their English names.)
[05:44] <pen> why audacious have sound noise when I switch to oss plugin?
[05:44] <DistroJockey> bullgard4: Application, Document, Desktop, Windows title and Fixed width
[05:44] <crimsun> ...the real question is why are you using the oss plugin if you're not using OSS v4.1?
[05:44] <pen> crimsun: I'm not, just experienting
[05:44] <pen> crimsun: i'm surprise there is some "sound"
[05:45] <DanaG>  ô˛ô
[05:46] <kahrytan> I just installed Hardy RC.. not bad.
[05:46] <bullgard4> DistroJockey: Thank you very much for your help.
[05:46] <DistroJockey> bullgard4: no problem
[05:46] <VoidedCheck> yeah the hardy rc is amazingly stable
[05:47] <kahrytan> Why did they removed xchat from live cd in the past?
[05:47] <crimsun> DanaG: part of the rationale for not cluttering asoundconf with such checks is because it's better to have the logic in a UI
[05:47] <DanaG> aah.
[05:47] <kahrytan> xchat is a valuable support tool when needing live help
[05:48] <VoidedCheck> as is any irc client
[05:48] <crimsun> I really should separate the check logic completely, however.
[05:48] <dmsuperman> So when it releases, what are some of the big features I'll be able to see with Hardy Herron?
[05:48] <VoidedCheck> like...  irc
[05:48] <DanaG> Where WOULD you put the loop check? That's a good question.
[05:48] <Black_Magic> Would anyone know how to make Gnome-Terminal transparent?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: because xchat-gnome is there, last i checked.
[05:48] <VoidedCheck> that it is
[05:48] <crimsun> DanaG: in alsa-plugins, specifically the pulseaudio module.
[05:48] <VoidedCheck> and I installed vanilla xchat
[05:49] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  It's not in the gnome menu.
[05:49] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  or did they different name then Xchat Gnome?
[05:49] <VoidedCheck> kahrytan, I think he (?) meant in repositories
[05:49] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: Pidgin works for me (didn't like xchat much)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: oh, that's right.  htey've gone to pidgin now :(
[05:49] <kahrytan> VoidedCheck,  I mean installed
[05:49] <Hobbsee> which has irc
[05:49] <VoidedCheck> well, it isn't
[05:50] <kahrytan> Pidgin is worset client to use for irc, imho
[05:50] <VoidedCheck> and pidgin sucks ass
[05:50] <VoidedCheck> I prefer dedicated clients
[05:50] <DistroJockey> :(
[05:50] <nalioth> let us be civil
[05:50] <dmsuperman> for IRC, pidgin does a half decent job. XChat is very certainly better (as is mIRC in windows) but if you don't feel like getting another app just for a quick fix (livecd for example) then it does the job
[05:50] <VoidedCheck> it's not a matter of civility, pidgin is awkward and a waste of time
[05:50] <bullgard4> After upgrading, Hardy shows the letters in the GNOME terminal blurred. But the letters of GNOME menu items and Tracker Search are crisp. How to explain this?  My guess is that the GNOME terminal takes a wrong dpi value (96 dpi instead of actually needed 85) and displays the letters using anti-aliasing.
[05:51] <VoidedCheck> because it's multiprotocol
[05:51] <kahrytan> Pidgin is best client for Instant Msger services
[05:51] <VoidedCheck> such as?
[05:51] <pen> is there a solution to my audacious problem?
[05:51] <kahrytan> AOL IM for Linux really does suck.
[05:51] <dmsuperman> all of them...
[05:51] <crimsun> bullgard4: are you sure it's not because they're different fonts?
[05:51] <dmsuperman> AIM, YIM, MSNM
[05:51] <VoidedCheck> all?
[05:51] <dmsuperman> the majors
[05:51] <VoidedCheck> IRC for Pidgin sucks BADLY
[05:51] <dmsuperman> read my above statement
[05:51] <VoidedCheck> and here I am, on IRC
[05:52] <DanaG> IRCHelper helps.
[05:52] <dmsuperman> IRC isn't instant messenger as well
[05:52] <VoidedCheck> it's not through Pidgin, I tell you
[05:52] <crimsun> bullgard4: i.e., Sans vice Monospace?  (both Deja Vu ...)
[05:52] <bullgard4> crimsun: I have set different fonts. The effect remains the same.
[05:52] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  I take you that you dont like the switch either?
[05:52] <crimsun> bullgard4: are you using "Best shapes" or "Subpixel smoothing (LCDs)"?
[05:53] <VoidedCheck> basically, the only protocol I run for IM is IRC
[05:53] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: not really, but i do understand about limited cd size, too.
[05:53] <VoidedCheck> I guess that's just me
[05:53] <VoidedCheck> but here I am
[05:53] <bullgard4> crimsun: Monochrome.
[05:53] <dmsuperman> I don't really count IRC as IM, I tend to think of AIM / YIM / MSNM as the IM clients, whereas IRC is more a chat type protocol
[05:54] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  Before long, DVD might be required. And most modern pcs  have them.  Older pcs barely boot live desktop now anyways
[05:54] <VoidedCheck> it's a real-time, text-based chat client.
[05:54] <VoidedCheck> if that isn't an IM what is?
[05:54] <wastrel> AIM
[05:54] <crimsun> bullgard4: did you happen across http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2008/01/12/ubuntu-hardy-fonts/ ?
[05:54] <VoidedCheck> ICQ?
[05:54] <DistroJockey> so what's wrong with Pidgin then VoidedCheck?
[05:54] <dmsuperman> The typical IM tends to be more 1 on 1 instant messaging between 2 people
[05:54] <wastrel> do people still use that?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: i'd suggest you check the ubuntu-devel mailing lists, as that issue has been extensively discussed already.  it also won't change for this release.
[05:55] <VoidedCheck> it doesn't give you an intuitive interface to a CLI
[05:55] <dmsuperman> wastrel, I honestly haven't ever met anyone that uses it haha
[05:55] <VoidedCheck> if that makes any sense
[05:55] <DistroJockey> VoidedCheck: fair comment
[05:55] <VoidedCheck> that's why I'm using xchat
[05:55] <wastrel> xchat is good
[05:55] <dmsuperman> I can agree with you there, but it wasn't really designed for CLI
[05:55] <x1250> I use konversation
[05:56] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  Nor do i expect it. Though, It will probably come to that
[05:56] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, does XChat have a commandline interface?
[05:56] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, I like to just use irssi for cli irc
[05:56] <VoidedCheck> dmsuperman, hen it shouldn't try to interface IRC, which is entirely CLI
[05:57] <bullgard4> crimsun: What is meant by the phrase "to happen across"? Please say it in other words.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i recall some xchat console tool ages ago.. but i think it got discontined
[05:57] <VoidedCheck> yes, I'm typing in a cli right now, I can load scripts, jump channels, connect sercers, right from this interface
[05:57] <VoidedCheck> *servers
[05:57] <DanaG> CD is better:
[05:57] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, So because IRC is based mostly on text based commands pidgin should just entirely ignore that community? Nobody is forcing you to use it for IRC, and to hardcore bash it for seemingly no reason really helps nobody
[05:57] <DanaG> Cheaper.  Faster to download.  Faster to burn.
[05:57] <VoidedCheck> irssi is ugly  :P
[05:57] <Dr_willis>  "to happen across" --> to find at random.,
[05:57] <DanaG> CD burners are also more prevalent than DVD burners.
[05:57] <XceII> HEY!..Whats up with X?,, i just loaded this 2wice, and when (in my final stages) of setting x right, it reverts to 640, im waiting, what a bunch of waisted time and man power to download a bunch of crap, im disappointment.
[05:58] <DanaG> twowice?
[05:58] <VoidedCheck> but I like the ability of irssi for running on a terminal
[05:58] <VoidedCheck> w/o X
[05:58] <dmsuperman> DanaG, not really lately, any PC that they sell as a bundle has DVD burning
[05:58] <DanaG> "as a bundle"
[05:58] <DanaG> Still, it'd unnecessarily restrict the market.
[05:58] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, agreed, I like to SSH home and irssi to chat, so I don't have to bother with redownloading and configuring a client for every computer I'm on (my school literally has hundreds, so i can't hope to just set it up a few times)
[05:59] <XceII> I have a feeling ubunru has been bought off.
[06:00] <XceII> ubuntu*
[06:00] <dmsuperman> XceII, what makes you say that?
[06:00] <VoidedCheck> yeah, SSH is a godsend in this respect, the platform doesn't matter.  I use vnc clients and servers myself, but there's always a loss when you rely on a GUI.
[06:00] <XceII>  HEY!..Whats up with X?,, i just loaded this 2wice, and when (in my final stages) of setting x right, it reverts to 640, im waiting, what a bunch of waisted time and man power to download a bunch of crap, am disappointment.
[06:00] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, I have cable, so GUI just runs so incredibly slow (I get _terrible_ upload speeds) so it's really not an option
[06:00] <wastrel> yeah we heard you the first time
[06:01] <VoidedCheck> ouch
[06:01] <VoidedCheck> thank my lucky stars for my true DSL conn
[06:01] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, plus most of the things I ever do remotely are easier with cli
[06:01] <VoidedCheck> damn straight
[06:01] <crimsun> bullgard4: roughly, "have you read and made any of the changes mentioned on that page?"
[06:01] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, it's usually just making some changes to apache or some other sys config
[06:01] <XceII> ya ouch, what a unch of garbage, this sure isnt making things look rosey, unless the rose is in the future, u decide
[06:02] <VoidedCheck> it's always as easy as editing a text file
[06:02] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, that's certainly not to say the GUI isn't helpful, for things like text editing I always certainly prefer to have a mouse and gui in front of me
[06:02] <VoidedCheck> that's why I love linux
[06:02] <DanaG> My top reasons for using Linux:
[06:02] <VoidedCheck> it works
[06:02] <DanaG> Awesome features on touchpad, and great font rendering.
[06:02] <VoidedCheck> :P
[06:02] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, and Ubuntu particularly, for noobs like me who don't always know how to edit the config file, there's usually a gui that you either have or can get to edit it for you :D
[06:02] <DanaG> 2wice?  twowice?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  gee.. normally people say  the font rendering is bad on X/Linux
[06:03] <XceII> linux is great, but these cats are making things awful hard, for  example, nothing matches, u fogure it out,
[06:03] <VoidedCheck> though that is true, the cli and editing text files isn't as bad as nay-sayers would let you believe
[06:03] <bullgard4> crimsun: No, I have not yet read the article which you are mentioning. Thank you very much for bringing it to my attention. I am going to study it now. --  Thank you.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> XceII: you could try being helpful, instead of just sayign "it sucks".
[06:03] <VoidedCheck> it's simple ladder logic
[06:03] <dmsuperman> So who uses the Dynamic option for loading music from last.fm in Exaile (based on your currently playing song)?
[06:03] <DanaG> I have it set to subpixel rendering.
[06:03] <VoidedCheck> if your brain works, so does linux
[06:03] <DanaG> I can't stand Windows Cleartype.
[06:03] <x1250> I like font rendering too.
[06:04] <XceII> Hobbsee:  im trying, but in the obvious previous events id say itlooks pretty bleek,
[06:04] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, sure, i'm no stranger to it and get my fair share of info, but sometimes I just don't get enough of the big picture (i'm a recent linux switcher) to know what i'm actually changing overall
[06:04] <Dr_willis> i tend to set up large fonts :) so i dont really notice  the diferances much
[06:04] <VoidedCheck> dmsuperman, then don't change it until you understand it.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> XceII: X works for me.  i've yet to see you give any indication of what's wrong, beyond the resolution, or what HW you're running.
[06:04] <x1250> Dr_willis: large as?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> x1250,  about 1/2 inch tall letters :)
[06:05] <XceII> should it matter?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> or taller. :)
[06:05] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, but then how can one learn without playing? =) =P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> XceII: if you're going to be here and contribute, at least be useful and provide that sort of info, if you want a reply.
[06:05] <x1250> :)
[06:05] <DistroJockey> XceII: did you upgrade or a clean install?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> wife has her fonts set about an inch tall.
[06:05] <VoidedCheck> by breaking it!  :D  :D
[06:05] <XceII> both
[06:05] <VoidedCheck> ANARCHY!!!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> XceII: if you want to actually see it fixed, then yes, probably.
[06:05] <kahrytan> How much Python does ubuntu use?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: a lot
[06:06] <x1250> kahrytan: a fair share
[06:06] <kahrytan> Hobbsee,  Good. I want to learn it.
[06:06] <VoidedCheck> w/o playing is not what what I was saying btw
[06:06] <VoidedCheck> but common sense, while not that common, is still common
[06:06] <x1250> kahrytan: "ubuntu" uses is too generic though. There are some programs, and some shell scripts that use python...
[06:06] <VoidedCheck> ponder on that if you will
[06:06] <Micrll> hello all
[06:06] <x1250> "ubuntu uses", I mean
[06:07] <x1250> python is a nice language to learn...
[06:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one important thing for good font rendering:
[06:07] <Dr_willis>  Python - is gettting used all over the place. :)
[06:07] <VoidedCheck> it's one of the easiest
[06:07] <kahrytan> x1250,  Ubuntu uses certain software to make it what it is now. That software could be python based.
[06:07] <DanaG> Make sure DPI is set correctly!  Don't just blindly set it to 96!
[06:07] <VoidedCheck> but I'd recommend learning a "harder" language first
[06:07] <DanaG> If the fonts are too small, increase font sizes, don't decrease DPI settings.
[06:07] <VoidedCheck> just to give you a taste of reality
[06:07] <Micrll> what is the best way of checking the DPI
[06:08] <Micrll> I like fonts much larger than most people
[06:08] <XceII> Hobbsee:  you and Dr_willis are nothing but show offs, always ending your statements with the term (I think), this is a tech channel, go other places to show off your plastic talent, while others look for concrete answers, sorry to the channel for my anger, it was ove due.
[06:08] <kahrytan> VoidedCheck,  I know...knew... used to know Perl.
[06:08] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[06:08] <dmsuperman> PHP ftw
[06:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee: show-off!  :-)p
[06:08] <kahrytan> dmsuperman, I was the reluctant type to switch to php.
[06:09] <VoidedCheck> lol php
[06:09] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, PHP4, agreed
[06:09] <wastrel> well that one was mostly spelled correctly
[06:09] <dmsuperman> VoidedCheck, but 5 has made some strong steps, and 6 is going to be a good product
[06:09] <VoidedCheck> I'm laughing out my ass btw, I don't know the first thing about php
[06:09] <dmsuperman> haha
[06:10] <dmsuperman> don't worry
[06:10] <kahrytan> VoidedCheck, Do you think Perl is dying?
[06:10] <dmsuperman> most people do the same thing
[06:10] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, hardly
[06:10] <Micrll> oh and also, I will report that I am now running from Hardy RC, insted of windows
[06:10] <VoidedCheck> ruby is burying it in the sand
[06:10] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, but PHP certainly is gaining
[06:10] <x1250> I like php also
[06:10] <kahrytan> dmsuperman, I use sites mostly using php now.
[06:10] <VoidedCheck> again, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about
[06:10] <dmsuperman> meh, i don't want to bother learning another language. I've heard some decent stories about it, but that overall it really lacks in power
[06:10] <Hobbsee> !language | VoidedCheck
[06:10] <ubotu> VoidedCheck: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:11] <VoidedCheck> gah that damn bot again, checking me for a word found on every dictionary on the planet
[06:11] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, When you get into some good PHP5 OOP stuff you'll really love it
[06:11] <Micrll> heh
[06:11] <dmsuperman> MySQLi is so awesome
[06:11] <Micrll> I was going to say that sounded like a bots response
[06:11] <DanaG> Woah, compare /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/background.png to ﻿/usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanList/background.png
[06:11] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  I hate learning oop.
[06:11] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, you a single developer?
[06:12] <Micrll> they have us learn java at my university
[06:12] <kahrytan> dmsuperman, uh?
[06:12] <x1250> kahrytan: thata a good thing to learn
[06:12] <Hobbsee> VoidedCheck: please don't repeat the stuff in -offtopic
[06:12] <DanaG> The former looks almost painful, by comparison.
[06:12] <DanaG> s/by/in/
[06:12] <VoidedCheck> hobbsee, stfu
[06:12] <kahrytan> OOP is complicated.
[06:12] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, do you program php alone?
[06:12] <Micrll> oh is there a offftopic chat?
[06:12] <kahrytan> I saw that coming a mile away.
[06:12] <Hobbsee> why on *two* channels must he try to be a pain?
[06:12] <wastrel> Micrll: #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:13] <dmsuperman> yeh...thinking about it this is hardly herron talk
[06:13] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, are you in -offtopic?
[06:13] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  never started. Looking into learning it more. used to do small time stuff in Perl. never oops.
[06:13] <kahrytan> OOP*
[06:13] <Micrll> strange I cant get the offtopic section working
[06:14] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, so you don't program PHP at all?
[06:14] <kahrytan> Nope
[06:14] <x1250> kahrytan: its not complicated at all. Anyway when I started to learn OOP I really didn't get it until I started to code some classes and read some good designed opensource/propietarty programs.
[06:14] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, ah. If you ever get a job programming, you'll very much definitely appreciate OOP
[06:15] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  thought OOP i read was perl modules.
[06:15] <dmsuperman> if you're making something completely alone, then OOP is hardly useful
[06:15] <Micrll> now see, I first learned programming in java
[06:15] <Micrll> so I am more of a OOP
[06:15] <wastrel> perl oop is difficult
[06:15] <kahrytan> wastrel,  thank you
[06:15] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, It's all pretty similar. I'm learning C# right now, and once I learned the syntax differences I pretty much got the whole thing
[06:16] <x1250> dmsuperman: why do you say that? I code completely alone, and is very helpfull.
[06:16] <dmsuperman> x1250, like I said, hardly. There are some instances where it helps (for example modularizing code) but overall since you're the only one managing the code it just adds extra work
[06:16] <kahrytan> It's probably been 5+ years since I did anything in perl.
[06:17] <dmsuperman> x1250, I write my own code with OOP so that later on I can come back to it and don't have to remember what I'm doing, or to allow others to get into my code, but I'm just one of those rare programmers who is really anal about their code
[06:18] <Micrll> I like OOP, but again thats what I started with
[06:18] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  OSS programmers must both you somewhat?
[06:18] <kahrytan> *bother
[06:18] <x1250> I code a lot of OOP, in python and php.
[06:18]  * icanhas wonder's what channel he's in
[06:19] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, certainly not, much of what I code is for the community
[06:19] <kahrytan> oh..
[06:20] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, I don't care what people do with my code to be honest, but when I'm writing it if there's even like extra spaces or anything that's not completely formed well (even indentation is a big issue) I get all freaked out
[06:20] <crdlb> find somewhere else to chat please
[06:20] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  You write pretty code?
[06:20] <x1250> I'm that kind of guy too, pretty coder
[06:21] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, join #ubuntu-offtopic, so we don't get yelled at ;)
[06:21] <kahrytan> crdlb,  Where do you suggest?
[06:21] <DanaG> what the hell? quodlibet thinks no files exist.
[06:21] <crdlb> I don't care
[06:21] <eternal_p> evening all, I just did a clean insatll of RC1, I'm just wondering, what is the best virtuization program that allows for bridged wireless networking, without headache?
[06:21] <crdlb> make up a channel if you have to
[06:21] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  I would but .. i can't. I'm not allowed.
[06:22] <markgreene> Hey guys. Is anyone having issues browsing windows network shares?
[06:22] <Roey> hey all
[06:22] <dmsuperman> kahrytan, ...why?
[06:22] <kahrytan> dmsuperman,  try my nick channel
[06:22] <dmsuperman> markgreene, I have no problem
[06:22] <Roey> do you guy plan to release 8.04 without scanner support?  can't find the "scanner" kernel module here.
[06:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/155348
[06:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155348 in quodlibet "Filesystem browser stops listing files with GtkWarning" [Undecided,New]
[06:24] <markgreene> dmsuperman, Where can I start debugging the issue? From 7.10 I go to "Places->Network->Windows Network" and then I click the computer on my network and then the shared folder I want to access. On 8.04, I get a blank screen after clicking Windows Network with "smb:///" in the address bar
[06:24] <x1250> in general, my programs look like this: http://pastebin.ca/raw/990518
[06:24] <x1250> pretty nice, IMO
[06:24] <DanaG> Should I mark this bug confirmed?  The quodlibet one
[06:25] <eternal_p> anyone?
[06:25] <jdrake> I have installed 'pam_mount' and now I can't use sudo or su, or login because it talks about an unknown module. How can this be fixed? I have no priviledged users logged in.
[06:26] <dmsuperman> markgreene, I dunno, mine just works. It takes a little while to load the file/folder list, but it works. Plus, I type in the address manually
[06:27] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/155348
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155348 in quodlibet "Filesystem browser stops listing files with GtkWarning" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:30] <jdrake> Does single user mode require pam working properly?
[06:31] <Micrll> hey a question for you guys
[06:31] <Micrll> how do I tell how much space is left on my main partition
[06:32] <x1250> $ df -h
[06:33] <chucklarge> does hardy have Guarddog on by default ?
[06:34] <Micrll> hmmm
[06:34] <Micrll> thanks
[06:34] <Micrll> its a little hard to read but I think I get it
[06:35] <Micrll> hmm
[06:35] <Micrll> it does not all add up
[06:36] <icanhas> How can I see how much RAM is currently being recognized?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> 'free' command shows ram ussage
[06:36] <x1250> $ free
[06:37] <x1250> Micrll: whats the problem? I didn't get what you meant
[06:37] <Dr_willis> I perfer  'free $' :)
[06:38] <x1250> heh
[06:40] <icanhas> ok, is there anyway to see what is taking up what ram? and don't say top :P
[06:41] <DanaG> !info htop
[06:41] <ubotu> htop (source: htop): interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.6+svn20070915-1 (hardy), package size 45 kB, installed size 176 kB
[06:41] <Dr_willis> or use the ps command with some options
[06:41] <icanhas> ty
[06:41] <icanhas> ps has it's idiosyncracies, although it's probabaly just me being an idiot
[06:41] <Dr_willis> icanhas,  it needs more options! it osent have near enough!
[06:42] <icanhas> lol, i only know how -e, -aux, and -auxw work.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> 841 lines in the manpage. :)
[06:42] <Dr_willis> actually the - is optional for most of those options
[06:42] <Dr_willis> i think
[06:42] <x1250> -A :P
[06:42] <icanhas> habit
[06:43] <Micrll> oh oh sorry was looking at something
[06:43] <Dr_willis> that just saved you 20% of the work!
[06:43] <Dr_willis> ;)
[06:43] <Micrll> the df -h command, the amount reported does not really match the drive size
[06:43] <Micrll> there seems to be about 10gb missing
[06:44] <Dr_willis> a % is reserved for root/lost+found usage. and theres rounding.. and then theres how the companies defind gb. vs how it should be defined. :)
[06:44] <Micrll> ah ok
[06:44] <Micrll> its a 80gb drive
[06:44] <DistroJockey> 5% reserved by default
[06:44] <Micrll> before I installed hardy, windows reported a 74gb size
[06:45] <x1250> marketing uses 1 byte = 1000 bits. Maybe thats the thing. It should be 1 byte = 1024 bits.
[06:45] <icanhas> htop is hot. maybe that's what the h is for
[06:45] <Black_Magic> Dr_willis: You know anything about  servers?
[06:45] <x1250> maybe there are the 10gb?
[06:45] <Micrll> nope
[06:45] <Black_Magic> well my servers used to work but something happend and i cant load my own server with my IP
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Black_Magic,  i know that i see a LOT of people in #ubuntu installing the 'server edition' when they dont even know shell basics.. :) and ive yet to figure out WHY they do so.
[06:45] <Micrll> windows pegged the drive at 74gb with the 1024 degination
[06:45] <calc> Micrll: to see how much is reserved use tune2fs -l /dev/sdX#
[06:45] <calc> Micrll: for whichever partition you have it installed on
[06:46] <icanhas> is there linux support for xfat? not that i'd want to use it..
[06:46] <Black_Magic> Dr_willis: comes pre installed with LAMP so they dont have to install it them selves ;)
[06:46] <Dr_willis> xfat? Hmm..
[06:46] <Black_Magic> LAZY Peoples!
[06:46] <calc> icanhas: not that i know of, xfat was just added to vista what last week?
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Black_Magic,  these people i see.. dont even know what lamp is. :)
[06:46] <x1250> I hate preinstalled packages :/
[06:46] <Micrll> hmmmm
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Black_Magic,  heck.. i barely know what LAMP is.
[06:46] <icanhas> calc: lol, want to crack.. er.. i mean 'reverse engineer' it with me? ;)
[06:46] <Micrll> premission denied
[06:47] <Black_Magic> Dr_willis: Linux Apache Mysql PHP
[06:47] <Black_Magic> server...
[06:47] <x1250> my favorite installation is debian netinstall, not even standard packages, just apt and some basic system stuff. 80 or so packages download.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> Black_Magic,  they all seem to want to know how to install X on their servers. : - figure that out.
[06:47] <calc> icanhas: not particularly i don't use vista (its yuck) and i don't have time anyway
[06:47] <DanaG> df --si
[06:47] <calc> i use xp whenever i have to use windows for something
[06:47] <DanaG> uses 1000 instead of 1024
[06:47] <icanhas> calc: no one uses vista, it was a jest at best mate ;)
[06:47] <Black_Magic> Dr_willis: sudo apt-get install <Package Name>
[06:47] <Black_Magic> lol
[06:47] <calc> icanhas: hehe :)
[06:48] <Micrll> ok lets see...
[06:48] <Micrll> /dev/sdb3              65G  7.8G   54G  13% /
[06:48] <Micrll> varrun                506M  128K  505M   1% /var/run
[06:48] <Micrll> varlock               506M     0  506M   0% /var/lock
[06:48] <Micrll> udev                  506M   84K  505M   1% /dev
[06:48] <Micrll> devshm                506M   12K  506M   1% /dev/shm
[06:48] <Micrll> lrm                   506M   38M  468M   8% /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/volatile
[06:48] <Micrll> /dev/sdb2             4.7G  4.0K  4.7G   1% /media/common
[06:48] <Micrll> gvfs-fuse-daemon       65G  7.8G   54G  13% /home/roy/.gvfs
[06:48] <calc> xfat support does sound useful in the future though since it supports > 4GB files
[06:48] <icanhas> OMG
[06:48] <calc> and ntfs is horrid
[06:48] <x1250> pastebin...
[06:48] <Micrll> oh wait
[06:48] <Micrll> ..........
[06:48] <calc> i've had ntfs eat itself several times where nothing could recover it
[06:48] <DistroJockey> ﻿Black_Magic: Dr_willis: if you run  tasksel  from terminal, you can choose LAMP
[06:48]  * Micrll smacks head on keyboard
[06:48] <icanhas> calc: the fact that vista -sp1 can't even READ an xfat drive is hysterical to me
[06:48] <zionpsyfer> Dr_willis: friend did that this last week.... server install, then wanted gnome  b/c he was uncomfortable with ftp from cli
[06:48] <Black_Magic> !paste > Micrll
[06:48] <icanhas> calc: actually, chkdsk /r almost always fixes ntfs ;)
[06:48] <Micrll> ok
[06:49] <Micrll> I see the problem
[06:49] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: that taskel stuff never worked for me >.>
[06:49] <calc> icanhas: hold on vista sp1 can't read xfat, that was where the support was added
[06:49] <icanhas> calc: no, - as in MINUS sp1 :)
[06:49] <calc> icanhas: you aren't talking about the xbox filesystem are you?
[06:50] <calc> icanhas: oh ok
[06:50] <Micrll> oh never heard of pastebin
[06:50] <Micrll> now I know
[06:50] <Dr_willis> So... err.. Nothing can read xfat? :)
[06:50] <zionpsyfer> ouch, no multiplexing for sound now.  =/
[06:50]  * calc wrote a driver many years ago to read xbox filesystem
[06:50]  * icanhas thinks is because calc is a fognogging genius
[06:50] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: ohh, I'll have to check it out (worked for something I tried a bit ago)
[06:50] <chtri> anyone can look into this issue? bug 219743
[06:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219743 in linux "4 GiB of RAM installed, ~3.8 GiB reported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219743
[06:50] <Black_Magic> i thought xbox used Mac format?
[06:51] <Zoem> anyone familiar with hardy bluetooth?
[06:51] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: you ran it under sudo?
[06:51] <Black_Magic> yep
[06:51] <Black_Magic> it just gives prompt back
[06:52] <Black_Magic> or i used to get errors >..>
[06:52] <calc> chtri: thats most likely not a bug
[06:52] <calc> chtri: looking at it though
[06:52] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: hmm, I get a nice blue/grey text menu screen
[06:52] <Black_Magic> i know i get that too
[06:52] <Black_Magic> but if i select anything i just get the prompt back
[06:53] <calc> Black_Magic: not it uses something called FatX (iirc)
[06:53] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: ahh, I see what you mean
[06:53] <calc> Black_Magic: it was a btree dir structure
[06:53] <Zoem> hmmm
[06:53] <calc> Black_Magic: i'm talking about Xbox (not xbox360, dunno about it)
[06:53] <Zoem> anyone *not* familiar with hardy bluetooth?
[06:53] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: did you have synaptic open?
[06:53] <x1250> I'm not very familiar...
[06:54]  * calc can't get that bug to show up
[06:54] <Black_Magic> no
[06:54] <Zoem> x1250: thanks for at least letting me know I'm actually sending to channel
[06:54] <Black_Magic> do i need it open?
[06:54] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: that' killed my tasksel, close synaptic and all good
[06:54] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: nope
[06:54] <Black_Magic> what do the *'s mean?
[06:55] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: installed
[06:55] <calc> does lp work for anyone else right now?
[06:55] <x1250> Zoem: whats the problem?
[06:55] <calc> well bugs.launchpad.net in particular
[06:55] <chtri> calc: work for me...
[06:56] <calc> i can get the main page to come up
[06:56] <Zoem> x1250: I have my bluetooth headset paired, but I can't use it in anything
[06:56] <calc> ok it finally came up
[06:56] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: why is Wicd always removed when i update and it uses the Dist-upgrade thing
[06:56] <Black_Magic> Ooh DNS server installed
[06:56] <Black_Magic> i dont need it but...
[06:57] <calc> chtri: this is almost certainly a bios issue
[06:57] <calc> chtri: on my machine i can only access 3287 of 4096
[06:57] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: no idea sorry, don't do wireless
[06:57] <x1250> anyone knows how to make kde apps use the gnome theme? is it possible without using the qtcurve stuff?
[06:57] <calc> chtri: but my machine doesn't have the remap option
[06:58] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: ok real problem how come when i plugin my USB device Ubuntu doesnt notice it but if i go into windows and plug it in it does?
[06:58] <Black_Magic> at one point it worked but it doesnt anymore :/
[06:58] <calc> chtri: even with remapping part of the memory space may be needed by something
[06:58] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: what device?
[06:58] <calc> chtri: but the kernel guys would know more about it than me
[06:58] <chtri> calc: if it is bios issue or not, it is probably may be decided by analyzing attached logs, i can't do it
[06:58] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: Your favorite ;) WD Passport
[06:58] <XceII> I spoke out of line out of anger, I aoplogize.
[06:59] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: lol
[06:59] <calc> chtri: yea, the kernel guys probably can determine whats up :)
[06:59] <Black_Magic> :P
[06:59] <XceII> have a good day folks
[06:59] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: well, is it NTFS format?
[06:59] <Black_Magic> Nope
[06:59] <Black_Magic> fat
[06:59] <DistroJockey> hmm
[06:59] <Black_Magic> only massive thing i can think of between the time it worked and when it didnt
[06:59] <Black_Magic> was i booted an OS off of a partition
[07:00] <Black_Magic> or that my kernal is newer
[07:00] <icanhas> Black_Magic: does it show up in /dev/?
[07:00] <Black_Magic> Nope
[07:00] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: or in  sudo fdisk -l
[07:01] <Black_Magic> second plugging it in...
[07:01] <icanhas> well then you must get some sort of dmesg error when you plug it in
[07:01] <DistroJockey> :)
[07:01]  * calc bbl
[07:01]  * Black_Magic hits head on lamp
[07:02]  * Black_Magic i mean the hangy lighty thing 
[07:02] <Black_Magic> ive been meaning to raise that :/
[07:02] <Black_Magic> second
[07:02] <icanhas> ....
[07:02] <icanhas> and your dmesg?
[07:02] <Black_Magic> second
[07:02] <Black_Magic> plugging the thing in sheesh
[07:02] <adred> hi, i was downloading hardy iso b4 i left home. how do i resume it?
[07:03] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: btw: my install of LAMP via tasksel seems fine
[07:03] <icanhas> adred: wget -c
[07:03] <Black_Magic> [ 6811.025965] usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[07:03] <Black_Magic> nope doesnt show in fdisk -l
[07:03] <Black_Magic> just SDA
[07:04] <icanhas> hm... what operating system did you boot off it?
[07:04] <Black_Magic> Uhm....
[07:04] <Black_Magic> Back <-
[07:05] <Black_Magic> Slackware
[07:05] <icanhas> did it work?
[07:05] <murlidhar> how do  i make my window manager work again ???
[07:06] <Black_Magic> icanhas: Yea...the first time...
[07:06] <gluer_> hi, how do i install all the restricted codecs?
[07:06] <Black_Magic> icanhas: now it gives an error
[07:06] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: you could also check   mount   but I doubt it shows there either
[07:06] <icanhas> murlidhar: metacity?
[07:07] <murlidhar> icanhas, compiz with beryl themes
[07:07] <Black_Magic> so Emerald?
[07:07] <Black_Magic> do emerald --replace
[07:07] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, was that for me ?
[07:07] <Black_Magic> yes
[07:07] <icanhas> Black_Magic: there must be something else in your dmesg.
[07:08]  * Black_Magic scratches head
[07:08] <Black_Magic> Nope thats all
[07:08] <icanhas> nothing under that line you pasted? even if you wait a sec and check again?
[07:08] <Black_Magic> nope
[07:09] <Black_Magic> i got a new cord but its too long >.>
[07:09] <Black_Magic> 6ft
[07:09] <Black_Magic> the original is 18in so i dunno
[07:09] <icanhas> Black_Magic: output of lsusb ?
[07:09] <Black_Magic> the longer one just makes it start then stop alot
[07:09] <Black_Magic> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[07:09] <Black_Magic> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 047d:105e Kensington
[07:09] <Black_Magic> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 15ca:00c3
[07:09] <Black_Magic> and that 002 is a USB Mouse
[07:10] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: powered USB would fix that (I assume)
[07:10] <DistroJockey> USB hub^
[07:10] <Black_Magic> mmm...
[07:10] <icanhas> Black_Magic: is it a HDD or flash?
[07:10] <Black_Magic> HDD
[07:10] <icanhas> and you're using a hub?
[07:10] <Black_Magic> laptop....
[07:10] <Black_Magic> i know it can supply enough power tho...
[07:10] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, if u have an old unused cd bundle then make two holes in it and wrap ur cord inside it bringing the ends of the cord outside through the holes
[07:10] <kahrytan> After I customize hardy .. im gonna have to compile a driver. :(
[07:10] <icanhas> eh.. that shouldn't be a huge deal...
[07:11] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, that way it will be less messed up
[07:11] <Black_Magic> murlidhar: cd bundle..?
[07:11] <icanhas> Black_Magic: does the drive have an external power option? or a second usb connection for more power?
[07:11] <Black_Magic> those plastic cd holders?
[07:11] <Black_Magic> icanhas: Nope...
[07:11] <Black_Magic> wish there was a way to make it bluetooth :P....
[07:12] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, the one u get when u buy about 20 cd to 50 cds at a go
[07:12] <icanhas> Black_Magic: try another usb port for me?
[07:12] <DistroJockey> it being a 2.5" HDD, souldn't need more
[07:12] <Black_Magic> that round plastic top thing?
[07:12] <DistroJockey> shouldn't^
[07:12] <icanhas> he means a spindle
[07:12] <Black_Magic> icanhas: ok second
[07:12] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, spindle to be more precise
[07:12] <MDFrostT> ﻿please help:  using ubuntu 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  wireless shows available networks, but I can't connect to any of them (whether they be b or g, open or protected, WEP or WPA or WPA2).  I found a few references in the forums, but nothing of use.  Anyone have any ideas?
[07:13] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to move bookmarks in Firefox?
[07:13] <icanhas> DistroJockey: in theory, it could be triggering an overload protection if it's spiking over 500mah at start
[07:13] <Black_Magic> [ 7213.461554] usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[07:13] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, yes those plastic cd holders that look like in cylindrical shape
[07:13] <Black_Magic> i think i have one...
[07:13] <icanhas> Black_Magic: and lsusb again?
[07:14] <DistroJockey> icanhas: I guess, but I'm starting to think it's a partition issue
[07:14] <Black_Magic> same as the last
[07:14] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, then u could use that to put ur long cord in
[07:14] <icanhas> DistroJockey: that would usually cause dmesg errors..
[07:14] <Black_Magic> what was that about overload thing?
[07:14] <Black_Magic> second lets try this with the longer cord
[07:14] <Black_Magic> without the cd holder thingy
[07:15] <icanhas> Black_Magic: what other usb devices are plugged in?
[07:15] <Black_Magic> USB Bluetooth....USB Optical mouse
[07:15] <Black_Magic> thats it
[07:16] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, what exactly do ya want?
[07:16] <Black_Magic> to be able to use my USB HDD again
[07:16] <Black_Magic> >.>
[07:16] <DistroJockey> WD passport drive (2.5" HDD via USB)
[07:16] <DistroJockey> :)
[07:17] <Black_Magic> yes...
[07:17] <Black_Magic> i partioned it
[07:17] <Black_Magic> could that be the problem?
[07:17] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: maybe, what partitions it got?
[07:17] <murlidhar> parititioning a extern\al drive can never be a problem
[07:17] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: format wise
[07:18] <Black_Magic> fat32 same as the first format
[07:18] <DistroJockey> murlidhar: can if there's an NTFS involved
[07:18] <icanhas> DistroJockey: i really don't understand how that's an issue. even if it was in KALAMAZOO filesystem, it wouldn't mount, but it would still show up in /dev/
[07:18] <DistroJockey> icanhas: agreed
[07:19] <Black_Magic> picture of the cd thing so i know exactly what your talking about...
[07:19] <icanhas> i'm just flaberghasted that there's no dmesg msgs after the one he pasted.
[07:19] <Black_Magic> im trying it with the longer cord.... just makes it stop and start over and over..
[07:19] <icanhas> Black_Magic: that's very odd, maybe it's your drive.
[07:19] <Black_Magic> :/
[07:19] <Black_Magic> works in windows >.>
[07:19]  * Black_Magic hates comparing linux to windows
[07:20] <icanhas> when's the last time it worked in windows?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> i have quite a bit of hardware that no longer works in windows-vista.. but works in linux now. :)
[07:20] <Black_Magic> it will work if i reboot and go to windows
[07:20] <icanhas> Black_Magic: dmesg | grep USB
[07:21] <Black_Magic> last time about 3 hrs ago
[07:21] <DistroJockey> does sorta sound like a supply of power to drive issue
[07:21] <DanaG> ﻿﻿One thing I need to do for myself: create a better IRC name.  First name and last initial is rather lame, and not unique.
[07:22] <icanhas> Black_Magic: wait, how can you be using fat? is this drive under 4GB?
[07:22] <Black_Magic> no..
[07:22] <Black_Magic> 160GB
[07:22] <MDFrostT> ﻿please help -- using ubuntu 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  wireless shows available networks, but I can't connect to any of them (whether they be b or g, open or protected, WEP or WPA or WPA2).  I found a few references in the forums, but nothing of use.  Anyone have any ideas?
[07:22] <icanhas> DanaG: , I told you Ganad
[07:22] <DistroJockey> icanhas: I've seen 200GB drive formated as FAT
[07:22] <DanaG> When I play HL2DM, people seem to think the name is pronounced "dannagg"
[07:22] <icanhas> DistroJockey: yeah but it sucks lol
[07:22] <Black_Magic> vFat really but linux showed it as fat32
[07:22] <bicyclist> MDFrostT One hint, try using wicd instead, it helped for me and i find it better thna networkmanager
[07:23] <DistroJockey> icanhas: maybe :)
[07:23] <icanhas> aDNGa :D
[07:23] <DanaG> Or they'll just call me "Dang"
[07:23] <DistroJockey> anaGrameD
[07:23] <icanhas> aGNDa :D it's almost like Agenda!
[07:23] <DistroJockey> lol
[07:23] <icanhas> there, call yourself Agenda, it's perfect.
[07:23] <MDFrostT> bicyclist:  thanks.  I'll give it a go!
[07:23] <DanaG> if I could use tildes, I'd be DanaGo~1  (8.3 version of the folder name I was given when I was in high school)
[07:24] <icanhas> lol nice
[07:24] <fatejudger> So what's going on with flash in hardy now? They removed the libflashsupport package to fix the stability issue, and now it seems that flash hijacks my sound device so that no other program can output sound. Is this a known problem?
[07:24] <Black_Magic> here is the grep USB thing http://pastebin.com/f766d2c8d
[07:25] <calc> iirc vfat just implies long filenames
[07:25] <calc> ie you can vfat on fat16
[07:25] <calc> at least iirc
[07:25] <icanhas> calc: that's pretty accurate
[07:26] <fatejudger> is there any way to force flash to output to pulseaudio?
[07:26] <Black_Magic> uhm can i see a picture of this thing your talking about to rig this longer uSB cord?
[07:26] <murlidhar> wait a sec
[07:27]  * Black_Magic unplugs everything USB
[07:27] <Black_Magic> have a feeling you where going to have me do it anyways
[07:27] <DistroJockey> yup :)
[07:28] <icanhas> Black_Magic: hm.. were ALL those times in dmesg you unplugging/plugging, or was it doing that itself? I'm thinking it's a power issue still
[07:28] <DanaG> £€€T.
[07:28] <Black_Magic> unplugging/plugging
[07:28] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, http://www.lifehacker.com.au/tips/clever_uses/
[07:28] <Dr_willis> I had issues with a usb drive unplugging/plugging itself in.. due to a loose usb conector once.
[07:29] <Black_Magic> yep deffinantly got one of those
[07:29] <Black_Magic> never use it anyways...
[07:30] <Black_Magic> how will that help?
[07:30] <icanhas> Black_Magic: It could be a USB 2.0 problem. If your drive is 1.1 and it's connected to a 2.0 hub, timing might be too far off to actually sync up with the drive
[07:30] <Black_Magic> its USB 2.0
[07:30] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, i thought u were uncomfortable with the long cords , if u are watch i first video
[07:31] <murlidhar> watch the first video
[07:31] <icanhas> hm
[07:31] <Black_Magic> no i said i think it was the problem with the longer cord
[07:31] <DanaG> Damnit, that killed Firefox.
[07:31] <Black_Magic> its 6ft and the original is 18in
[07:31] <Black_Magic> or it could be the type of cord...
[07:32] <icanhas> that's really odd
[07:33] <Dr_willis> i got like a 15 ft usb cord. :)
[07:33] <murlidhar> :0
[07:33] <murlidhar> ;)
[07:34] <Dr_willis> it has some special bits in it however.
[07:34] <Black_Magic> the connection type is USB A to Mini B for the original the newer ones box says  A/5-pin Mini-B Plug
[07:34] <kahrytan> Whatever happened to Hardware information applet?
[07:35] <icanhas> kahrytan: i've asked that like 30 times
[07:35] <kahrytan> icanhas->  lol
[07:36] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: you not in a VM are you?
[07:36] <Black_Magic> nope
[07:36] <DanaG> Random off-topic:  http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=hardy+heron&t=1000
[07:36] <kahrytan> icanhas->  It was there in Gutsy, not Hardy?
[07:36] <icanhas> kahrytan: correct
[07:36] <kahrytan> icanhas-> Windows has it in XP and Vista.
[07:36] <DanaG> Ran Dry Eh Oh
[07:36] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: just saw this is why I asked:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/156085
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156085 in qemu "Could not open /proc/bus/usb/devices" [Low,Confirmed]
[07:37] <DistroJockey> but looking in my /proc/bus/usb after mounting my external usb drive, it's still empty
[07:38] <Black_Magic> same
[07:38] <icanhas> Black_Magic: make and model of drive again?
[07:39] <DistroJockey> saw this quote "If the /proc/bus/usb directory is empty, you have not mounted the filesystem,"   which is not true
[07:39] <Black_Magic> uh WD Passport 160GB
[07:39] <murlidhar> my windows are still without border since upgrade
[07:40] <murlidhar> any ideas to solve ?
[07:40] <kahrytan> murlidhar-> you mean titlebar?
[07:40] <murlidhar> yes
[07:41] <Black_Magic> Model is WDME3200
[07:41] <kahrytan> then run metacity in bash
[07:41] <Black_Magic> woops second...
[07:41] <Black_Magic> WDME1600
[07:41] <murlidhar> kahrytan, i have emerald theme manager
[07:42] <icanhas> Black_Magic: can you sudo modprobe -l | grep usb-storage
[07:42] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  try going back to metacity?
[07:42] <murlidhar> kahrytan, how ?
[07:42] <Black_Magic> icanhas:  after replugging the drive in?
[07:42] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  purge emerald.
[07:42] <troseph> Here is my problem: I can't authenticate to change the settings in network-admin. I "authenticate" with a user with sufficient rights, but it says I am not authorized to make the changes after I click "ok"
[07:42] <icanhas> murlidhar: ps -e | grep compiz
[07:42] <icanhas> Black_Magic: shouldn't matter
[07:42] <murlidhar> so which one should i follow?
[07:43] <murlidhar> icanhas, or kahrytan  ?
[07:43] <icanhas> murlidhar: run my command, it doesn't do anything, just gives me information
[07:43] <murlidhar>  5741 ?        00:00:00 compiz
[07:43] <Black_Magic> icanhas: /lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko
[07:43] <murlidhar>  5809 ?        00:00:10 compiz.real
[07:44] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  icanhas
[07:44] <icanhas> murlidhar: and emerald --replace doesn't give you your windows back?
[07:44] <murlidhar> icanhas, no
[07:45] <murlidhar> it doesn't
[07:45] <icanhas> murlidhar: try gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[07:45] <icanhas> Black_Magic: well then your mod is running :P just thought i'd check
[07:45] <Black_Magic> :/
[07:45] <Black_Magic> cant get into my precious!!
[07:45] <kahrytan> icanhas->  try installing hardinfo extra
[07:46] <murlidhar> icanhas, that works but where is my beryl theme?
[07:46] <Black_Magic> POOH YEA!
[07:46] <Black_Magic> I get feedback after plugging it in
[07:46] <Black_Magic> from dmesg
[07:46] <kahrytan> icanhas->  its not the orginal applet butmight dothe trick
[07:47] <icanhas> murlidhar: well that will give you title bars while you fix emerald :P
[07:47] <murlidhar> ok
[07:47] <icanhas> Black_Magic:  like?
[07:47] <icanhas> murlidhar: do you know why emerald stopped working all of a sudden?
[07:48] <icanhas> murlidhar: or did it never work?
[07:48] <Black_Magic> http://pastebin.com/f2630b418
[07:48] <murlidhar> icanhas, ever since i upgraded to gutsy it never worked
[07:48] <kahrytan> icanhas->  metacity --replace is better
[07:48] <icanhas> kahrytan: no, that shuts down compiz :P well it used to in gutsy...
[07:49] <icanhas> murlidhar: hm, did you originally compile it from source?
[07:49] <kahrytan> icanhas->  It's compiz issue anyways
[07:49] <icanhas> kahrytan: i doubt that
[07:49] <murlidhar> icanhas, no i installed it in gutsy
[07:50] <icanhas> murlidhar: I'm no emerald guru, i would try #compiz-fusion for help
[07:50] <Black_Magic> icanhas: it shows nothing in lsusb...
[07:50] <kahrytan> icanhas-> emerald obviously isnt starting when compiz is
[07:50] <Black_Magic> its like its not even there...
[07:50] <icanhas> kahrytan: emerald isn't starting AT ALL, even when invoked, compiz can't help that
[07:50] <icanhas> Black_Magic: what new dmesg info did you get?
[07:50] <icanhas> oh nm, i see it
[07:50] <Black_Magic> i pasted..
[07:51] <kahrytan> icanhas-> I would remove emerald and use compiz with metacity
[07:51] <Black_Magic> doesnt look lioke anything helpful tho
[07:51] <Black_Magic> kahrytan: isnt emerald embeded into compiz now...?
[07:51] <icanhas> Black_Magic: that's really odd man, you SURE this drive works in windows?
[07:51] <kahrytan> Black_Magic->  no
[07:51] <Black_Magic> icanhas: IM SURE!
[07:51] <icanhas> Black_Magic: no, not "embeded", you can use any compositing window manager / decorator
[07:51] <DistroJockey> icanhas: I agree
[07:51] <Black_Magic> i can get to all the files and such
[07:51] <kahrytan> black Compiz works with Metacity or Emerald
[07:51] <Black_Magic> i know that
[07:52] <Black_Magic> but emerald thing is built into compiz i think
[07:52] <Black_Magic> so you wouldnt need an extra package
[07:52] <crdlb> nope
[07:52] <kahrytan> Black_Magic-> It's not install on Ubuntu by default.. whats that tell you
[07:52] <crdlb> emerald isn't installed by default
[07:52] <murlidhar> icanhas, kahrytan,  after upgradation my update manager shows 255 updates , maybe after that i could to get my emerald back
[07:52] <icanhas> murlidhar: yes, upgrade fully first :)
[07:52] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Nice timing
[07:52] <tanner> anyone have a recent model thinkpad?
[07:52] <Black_Magic> last time this thing worked was in -12 kernal :/
[07:53] <DistroJockey> 24-12?
[07:53] <icanhas> Black_Magic: ah, then it's a kernel issue. do you still have access to -12 to test that theory out?
[07:53] <Black_Magic> yep
[07:53] <Black_Magic> never delete kernals
[07:53] <Black_Magic> i still have the gusty kernal :/
[07:53] <kahrytan> Whereis UUID for drives listed?
[07:53] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: blkid
[07:54] <kahrytan> that didnt make sense.
[07:54] <murlidhar> i can access my internel only through gutsy kernel not through hardy one :(
[07:54] <murlidhar> i can access my internet only through gutsy kernel not through hardy one :(
[07:54] <murlidhar> spellometer
[07:54] <icanhas> Black_Magic: can you try rebooting into -12 to test that theory plz?
[07:54] <Black_Magic> kahrytan: its a command
[07:54] <DanaG> sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdaX
[07:54] <murlidhar> 100/100
[07:54] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: sudo blkid   rather
[07:55] <Black_Magic> icanhas: yea
[07:55] <Black_Magic> BRB
[07:55] <sparr> are mixed-release ubuntu systems supported?
[07:55]  * DanaG hates how Firefox 3.0 sucks at quitting.
[07:55] <kahrytan> DistroJockey->  thanks. i need to mount my ext3 partition
[07:56] <DistroJockey> sparr: as in multi upgardes?
[07:56] <DanaG> It freezes, so I give up and force-quit approximately every time.
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG->  thats the definition of beta
[07:56] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: no problem
[07:56] <sparr> DistroJockey: as in ive got feisty, but i installed some pacakges from gutsy
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG->  You could just go back to ff2
[07:56] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:56] <DanaG> I need the blocks-redirects feature.
[07:57] <DistroJockey> sparr: no idea sorry, I usually like to start afresh :)
[07:57] <Lynoure> DanaG: Oh, mine quits prettier than ff2 did, even gets saved with the session
[07:58] <DanaG> Mine sits there and freezes for 15-30 seconds, on iowait.
[07:59] <icanhas> Funny, ff3 crashed _more efficiently_ for me.
[07:59] <DistroJockey> hehe
[08:01] <DistroJockey> my ff3 works fine (fresh Hardy rc) flash and all
[08:01] <Zoem> I still get the flash insta-kill thing
[08:01] <Zoem> but thats not ff
[08:02] <DanaG> the nspluginwrapper fixed it for me.
[08:02] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, can you elaborate?
[08:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[08:04] <sparr> Need to get 3230MB of archives.
[08:04] <sparr> ^^ :(
[08:04] <DistroJockey> eek
[08:04] <Zoem> D: what did you do?
[08:04] <sparr> thats my gutsy to hardy upgrade
[08:04] <Zoem> oh
[08:05] <sparr> 2097 upgraded, 248 newly installed, 90 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[08:05] <Zoem> lol@ 6 not upgraded
[08:06] <sparr> oh, and 12 not fully installed or removed.
[08:06] <DistroJockey> sparr: I'd just get the alternate RC CD, or wait 4/5 days for release
[08:06] <sparr> that's due to package borkedness in hardy recently
[08:06] <bardyr> sparr, how much software do you have installed :O
[08:06] <sparr> bardyr: about 2100 packages, soon to be 2350, it seems
[08:06] <DistroJockey> heh
[08:07] <sparr> DistroJockey: and one CD will replace 3GB of downloads?
[08:07] <DistroJockey> sparr: probably not
[08:08] <kahrytan> lol
[08:08] <kahrytan> File Operations dialog reminds me of MacOS 8.5
[08:08] <troseph> lol yeah
[08:09] <troseph> but sometimes behaves like Vista
[08:09] <kahrytan> That's insulting
[08:09] <troseph> "Calculating Time Remaining..." or "Preparing..."
[08:09] <kahrytan> Calculating is Mmacos
[08:09] <kahrytan> Macos
[08:10] <troseph> meh, I don't mean to insult. Nothing to fret over.
[08:10] <troseph> http://troy-watson.com/fun/wtf-why-vista.png
[08:10] <kahrytan> Ubuntu will never be Vista
[08:10] <troseph> Not even 1k and it had to think about how long it would take.
[08:10] <troseph> Yeah
[08:10] <troseph> I knw
[08:11] <kahrytan> Vista copied MacOS
[08:11] <troseph> nothing to get defensive about I just had an annoyance with it.
[08:11] <troseph> I don't care who copied who, I just know it was annoying
[08:11] <kahrytan> Vista takes to long to do anything
[08:12] <dotech> my monitors never turn off anymore
[08:12] <philip_> what's the command to configure gnome? gconf?
[08:12] <kahrytan> gconf-editor?
[08:12] <philip_> kahrytan: ah yes good man :)
[08:13] <kahrytan> philip_-> I gotta use with each new install ... add My Documents to desktop
[08:13] <kahrytan> troseph-> I change Home to My Documents for the fun of it
[08:13] <philip_> kahrytan: I use it to hide the top panel :)
[08:13] <dotech> i have my screen saver set to 1 minute
[08:13] <dotech> but it never comes on
[08:14] <kahrytan> philip_->  I use bottom panel like Windows setup and I use top panel as transparent and quick click apps
[08:15] <philip_> kahrytan: ah. I get rid of bottom panel completely, wiped the apps off, just the main ubuntu button
[08:16] <Lynoure> Three panel happiness here :) (all much shorter than full length)
[08:16] <kahrytan> I use Gnome Main Menu... not the default one
[08:16] <philip_> that's the damn beauty of open source folks...customizations galore
[08:17] <Adys> Anyone has had problems on reboots with menus and tooltips appearing under all applications?
[08:17] <kahrytan> Lynoure must be the type to use expanding panels
[08:17] <philip_> although I wish there were an app to create a script to record customization changes so we can quickly do it from version to version
[08:18] <kahrytan> philip_-> Oh man .. I miss MacOS for that
[08:18] <kahrytan> philip_->  gone are the days of AppleScript.
[08:19] <philip_> I have a minor BIG issue
[08:19] <tanner> well i sure hope they fix the automounting issues before the 8.04 release
[08:19] <kahrytan> philip_->  thats a contradiction
[08:19] <david> four whole days to go :P
[08:19] <Black_Magic> nope that wasnt it
[08:20] <ethana2> heh
[08:20] <ethana2> you want to see a sweet panel config?
[08:20] <philip_> I added a password to my HD in BIOS (making it ask a password on boot). I swapped that drive into an external enclosure. So now I'm screwed and I really don't want to reinsert the drive back in
[08:20] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64764&d=1207179493
[08:21] <philip_> so, question is, how do I access my files in the drive?
[08:21] <alex_mayorga> would there be another RC?
[08:21] <ethana2> oops
[08:21] <kahrytan> philip_->  bite the bullet and reinstall in case?
[08:21] <philip_> kahrytan: hehe yeah...so now you understand my minor BIG issue
[08:21] <kahrytan> alex_mayorga->  I don't think so .. ubuntu isnt windows.
[08:21] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64764&d=1207179493  <- my idea of awesome panels
[08:22] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: pretty sure the answer in nope
[08:22] <DistroJockey> is^
[08:22] <alex_mayorga> I still see some breakage or minor glitches
[08:22] <alex_mayorga> bluetooth and wifi still act up moe than they should
[08:23] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: reporting issues will help
[08:23] <alex_mayorga> does an ubuntu laptop have ssh enabled by default
[08:24] <alex_mayorga> I've got issues reported since gusty that have been largely ignored
[08:24] <icanhas> alex_mayorga: sudo apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
[08:24] <alex_mayorga> like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/124159
[08:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124159 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Broadcom bcm43xx Wireless driver regression in gutsy" [High,Confirmed]
[08:25] <icanhas> the 43xx drivers are just a mess in general
[08:25] <alex_mayorga> actuakky
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> hey guys. recently switched to ubuntu hardy from kubuntu gutsy. having problems with power usage.
[08:25] <alex_mayorga> why don't you take a look at my bug log https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~alex-mayorga
[08:25] <BonezAU> hi, all of a sudden today when I booted up hardy I am unable to access my windows NTFS partitions, in Gnome it says "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'VOLUME'
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> ubuntu uses a LOT of power; i used to get 3.5-4hours on kde with minimum CPU frequency and LCD brightness,
[08:25] <Riskbreaker> now i get 2.5 hours max, regardless of what i set CPU or LCD to
[08:26] <icanhas> BonezAU: oh just force mount it. it'll be fun.
[08:26] <alex_mayorga> either I have really pesky hardware or no one care about the issues that affect it
[08:26] <Riskbreaker> and a lot of heat is generated, also regardless of CPU frequency
[08:26] <Riskbreaker> why is it using so much power
[08:26] <BonezAU> icanhas: will that break anything?
[08:27] <Jordan_U> Riskbreaker, Is it an intel machine?
[08:27] <Riskbreaker> AMD
[08:27] <alex_mayorga> DistroJockey: do you know who to poke?
[08:27] <kahrytan> I really hate the new Mozilla addon site
[08:28] <alex_mayorga> I do try to keep them current
[08:28] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: nope, you loom like you have it covered
[08:28] <icanhas> BonezAU: nah, probabaly what happened is you didnt shutdown windows right last time. i mean it _could_ break something, but i do it al the time :)
[08:28] <DistroJockey> look^
[08:28] <alex_mayorga> the bugs I mean
[08:28] <BonezAU> icanhas: I just did it and it works fine, thanks :) - and yes, vista was pissing me off and it would not shut down so I just hard-powered the laptop off :)
[08:29] <Zoem> BonezAU: just be careful doing that with your ubuntu partitions mounted
[08:29] <Jordan_U> Riskbreaker, Is it an intel machine?
[08:29] <Zoem> you'll be fscking for hours
[08:30] <icanhas> BonezAU: generally speaking, i dont suggest force mounting, but ultimately i do it quite often :P
[08:30] <Riskbreaker> Jordan_U: it's AMD
[08:30] <Riskbreaker> Zoem: that's what she said
[08:30] <icanhas> fscking for hours isn't so bad.
[08:30] <Zoem> Riskbreaker: :P
[08:31] <BonezAU> icanhas: ok thanks for your help
[08:31] <BonezAU> thanks zoem
[08:32] <DanaG> wtf?  http://troy-watson.com/fun/3_vnorvono%5B1%5D.gif
[08:32] <Zoem> nice shop
[08:33] <Lynoure> DanaG: that's photoshop or gimp for you.
[08:33] <kahrytan> What is the name of the firefox extention that blocks javascripts site by site case?
[08:33] <alex_mayorga> noscript
[08:33] <Zoem> isn't that like, the #1 most popular extension?
[08:34] <ethana2> #2 or 3
[08:34] <ethana2> #1 is adblock
[08:34] <kahrytan> Zoem->  I agree
[08:34] <alex_mayorga> one of the top security features :)
[08:34] <kahrytan> it's top 5 of the most used extentions
[08:34] <alex_mayorga> that and adblock alone make my life better :)
[08:35] <kahrytan> I allow adsense ads to appear
[08:35] <ethana2> text ads are great
[08:35] <kahrytan> cuz On sites I like, I click them
[08:35] <ethana2> anything bandwidth intensive, distracting, power consuming is fail
[08:35] <DanaG> I can't stand the pop-up-on-hover text ads.
[08:35] <alex_mayorga> given that I have around 0 money I block ads as a courtesy to the advertisers ;)
[08:35] <DanaG> I also can't stand ads that masquerade as content, or as links to other content.
[08:36] <DistroJockey> lol alex_mayorga :)
[08:36] <alex_mayorga> just being honest :)
[08:36] <DistroJockey> :)
[08:36] <WaSrD> :)
[08:36] <kahrytan> Does anyone else try to make it habit of supporting fav sites with adsense?
[08:37] <icanhas> kahrytan: that's called.. fraud i think
[08:37] <alex_mayorga> I used to back when ABP had the option
[08:37] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: my fav sites don't use adsense
[08:37] <kahrytan> icanhas->  No.
[08:37] <sparr> kahrytan: people like you are why my site gets flagged for fraud
[08:37] <kahrytan> icanhas-> It's fraud when site owner does it
[08:37] <alex_mayorga> I don't find it anymore, nor care that much anymore
[08:37] <Zoem> kahrytan: I click through often
[08:38] <Zoem> I don't use adblock, either
[08:38] <kahrytan> sparr->  Or you click them selves
[08:38] <kahrytan> Youself*
[08:38] <sparr> or not
[08:39] <alex_mayorga> what should one be testing on this last week?
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> fixing my power problem!
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> <#
[08:39] <Riskbreaker> <3*
[08:39] <WaSrD> I am virgin ubuntu 8.04 x64 user here with a few complex questions, if I may have help please? or is this wrong channel?
[08:39] <kahrytan> I look for ads I am interested in
[08:39] <alex_mayorga> I do have an AMD here
[08:39] <icanhas> !ask | WaSrD
[08:39] <ubotu> WaSrD: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[08:40] <alex_mayorga> but never really venture that far away from a power outlet :)
[08:40] <WaSrD> very well...I spent 6 hours trying to install on a wiped raid array
[08:40] <Zoem> alex_mayorga: agreed. I borked my hardy upgrade three times by running out of power in the middle
[08:40] <WaSrD> have no idea how I finally got it...but did...now I'm trying to make my network visible
[08:40] <WaSrD> I can see one of 2 machines
[08:40] <WaSrD> but can't browse to them
[08:40] <WaSrD> do I need to install more things?
[08:41] <alex_mayorga> I maybe should reinstall this laptop from generic to x64, whould I see any major breakage/advantage?
[08:42] <DistroJockey> alex_mayorga: nope
[08:42] <Zoem> alex_mayorga: no. but I do believe there was something floating around for using reduced amd power consumption features
[08:42] <Zoem> maybe
[08:42] <alex_mayorga> so is it an improvement or mostly the same thing?
[08:42] <Zoem> it's 64-bit support
[08:43] <alex_mayorga> is that a real advantage or would I be hunting for 32 bit packages in the end?
[08:43] <DanaG> WHO THE **** thought it'd be a good idea to make gnome not have screensaver settings?
[08:43] <ethana2> heh, I don't know
[08:43] <ethana2> but it's horrible
[08:43] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: the gnome maintainer
[08:43] <icanhas> DanaG: I'd imagine the GNOME developers. Want me to ask them?
[08:43] <ethana2> brainstorm?
[08:44] <ethana2> Miguel de Icaza
[08:44] <DanaG> The rss-glx screensavers have really bad defaults, too.
[08:44] <ethana2> ...on behalf of his uh..
[08:44] <alex_mayorga> bug 22007
[08:44] <ethana2> sponsors.
[08:44] <DanaG> So the "don't need configuration" is a lie.
[08:44] <sparr> DanaG: the same people who think openbox shouldn't have a startup programs list, because "that's not the WMs job"
[08:44] <DanaG> Then whose job is it?
[08:44] <ethana2> the sub window manager
[08:44] <RAOF> DanaG: Because xscreensaver was crap, and no one has written the settings thing again.
[08:44] <icanhas> sparr: well that's not the WM's job ;)
[08:44] <ethana2> I think there should be two layers
[08:44] <gnub_daemon> hmmm...how might I go about allowing myself to connect to SQL?
[08:45] <DanaG> Try installing rss-glx and running solarwinds with no parameters.
[08:45] <DanaG> That's exactly how gnome-screensaver runs it.
[08:45] <sparr> icanhas: and yet, the people who design all the OTHER software assume that it is
[08:45] <RAOF> DanaG: So it's not so much that they were removed, but that no one has written a new settings editor (it'd be quite easy).
[08:45] <alex_mayorga> I for one have subscribed to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/22007
[08:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 22007 in gnome-screensaver "no 'Settings' button in gnome-screensaver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:45] <sparr> icanhas: try convincing the gdm developers that it's the session manager's job to store non-session'd startup programs
[08:46] <icanhas> sparr: well it is, imho
[08:46] <icanhas> gdm needs to have a 'sub session manager' or something
[08:46] <sparr> that would be nice
[08:46] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:47] <xtknight> notice how when tabcompleting a command containing $(uname -r) or `uname -r`, it does not complete properly?
[08:47] <xtknight> used to.  try "cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ [tab]" :(
[08:47] <icanhas> is it suppose to?
[08:48] <xtknight> it did in earlier versions for me altho not sure about Gutsy
[08:48] <xtknight> it's pretty obvious it tries and does it wrong
[08:49] <Riskbreaker> so does anyone know anything about my power isue? maybe heard of other AMD users with power issues?
[08:49] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, run powertop
[08:49] <Riskbreaker> as root?
[08:49] <xtknight> sure
[08:50] <sparr> powertop on amd?
[08:50] <xtknight> why not?
[08:50] <xtknight> it just detects progs that wakeup the cpu i hink
[08:50] <Riskbreaker> alright... what am i looking at here
[08:50] <xtknight> and gives you possible optimizations
[08:50] <sparr> because its an intel program that only, as of the last time i checked, worked on certain mobile intel CPUs?
[08:50] <RAOF> Oh, yay!  Someone has started to actually _write_ a screensaver settings editor, rather than simply bitching about it!
[08:50] <paynito> i am having a localization or font issue after direct 6.06-8.04 upgrade, could someone look at my screenshot and give me a clue what to try?
[08:50] <paynito> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaatm7.png
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> this is really interesting:
[08:51] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i dont know too much about powertop, but it should lead you in the right direction
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> top causes for wakeups
[08:51] <Zoem> paynito: what locale is that supposed to be?
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> ps/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad
[08:51] <Riskbreaker> followed by "Extra timer interrupt"
[08:52] <Riskbreaker> now i think i know what's going on
[08:52] <xtknight> sparr, it can not get "detailed C-state information" for amd cpus
[08:52] <xtknight> but works otherwise
[08:52] <paynito> during install it kept saying it couldn't download En:Au and would default to C
[08:52] <sparr> Riskbreaker: do you have any ps/2 devices attached?  monitoring those interrupts is a horrible waste of cpu time
[08:52] <xtknight> actually my intel core  2 cant get the c-state stuff either
[08:52] <Riskbreaker> there is a problem with my laptop. i dont know how to fix it, actually. it's convinced i'm pushing an unnamed key on the keyboard at all times
[08:52] <sparr> heh, yeah, that might do it  :)
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> i looked at some stuff on the intarwebs using google
[08:53] <sparr> elaborate on "unnamed"
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> they suggested updating my bios, which i did, and it didn't solve the problem
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> well, observe my dmesg outpout
[08:53] <xtknight> what;s your ps2 keyboard entry say
[08:53] <xtknight> mine is like 0.1% on this pc
[08:53] <Zoem> paynito: what is in your /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local?
[08:53] <xtknight> 1.5%
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> [11110.020647] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x8d on isa0060/serio0).
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> [11110.020654] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e00d <keycode>' to make it known.
[08:53] <paynito> let me check
[08:53] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i mean how much interrupt % is it using
[08:53] <DanaG> RAOF: try running this:
[08:53] <DanaG> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/solarwinds
[08:53] <Riskbreaker> and dmesg has thousands, thousands of lines liek that
[08:54] <xtknight> i doubt that's the reason for power use though unless it's truly persistent
[08:54] <DanaG> And see how bad it is with no parameters.
[08:54] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to remove the oh-so-annoying live search in ff3 url box?
[08:54] <Riskbreaker> powertop says 36.5% is the ps/2 line
[08:54] <xtknight> wow
[08:54] <Riskbreaker> i think i need to get on the phone with dell support about this keyboard issue
[08:55] <DanaG> Default is no FPS limit, and not nice, and all presets (including "jiggly")
[08:55] <DanaG> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux
[08:55] <DanaG> Try that with no parameters.
[08:55] <DanaG> Then try
[08:55] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[08:55] <sparr> Riskbreaker: i hope that isnt getting written to /var/log/syslog  :)
[08:55] <sparr> and now, good night
[08:56] <Riskbreaker> it could be.
[08:56] <DanaG> !info rss-glx
[08:56] <ubotu> rss-glx (source: rss-glx): Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-8ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 4891 kB, installed size 5732 kB
[08:56] <DanaG> I guess I should file a bug on the bad default settings.
[08:56] <paynito> en and local are in /var/lib/locales/supported.d
[08:57] <Zoem> ok, what is the output of locale?
[08:57] <DistroJockey> DanaG: running flux as I type. What was the issue?
[08:57] <DanaG> Runs way fast, with no FPS limit, and not 'nice'
[08:58] <DanaG> And with random presets, instead of the nice tame one.
[08:58] <DistroJockey> it is glitchy
[08:58] <kahrytan> nevermind... il killing ff3 in ubuntu.
[08:58] <paynito> LANG=en_IN.UTF-8
[08:58] <Zoem> interesting
[08:58] <paynito> there are 10 lines like that
[08:58] <Zoem> ok, add "en_AU UTF-8" to your /val/lib/locales.d/local
[08:58] <paynito> the last is LC_ALL=
[08:59] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, making the key known will at least prevent it writing huge stuff to dmesg all the time ;)
[08:59] <paynito> how do i add that?
[08:59] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: perhaps, but wont that cause other problems?
[08:59] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  i dont think
[08:59] <Zoem> sudo gedit /var/lib/locales/supported/local
[08:59] <Riskbreaker> what keycode should i give it
[08:59] <xtknight> no idea
[09:00] <Zoem> dangit
[09:00] <DanaG> DistroJockey:  Now try flux with parameters.
[09:00] <Riskbreaker> is it reversible?
[09:00] <DanaG> It should look nice and .... nice.
[09:00] <Zoem> paynito: sudo gedit /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local
[09:00] <DistroJockey> DanaG: I used the:  ﻿ /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[09:00] <kahrytan> Who here likes Firefox 3?
[09:00] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, i dont know that either but probably
[09:00] <Zoem> paynito: I'm terrible at typing :(
[09:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, I *know* that they want to have configuration.  But the point is that it's not a case of "why did they remove this functionality", it's "the old one was crap, and noone has written a replacement for this part of the oldone's functionality".
[09:00] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3987837
[09:00] <xtknight> seen that?
[09:01] <DanaG> Aah.  The odd thing:
[09:01] <Zoem> so, nothing is better than bad something?
[09:01] <DanaG> The first half of the upstream bug seemed to be a "we removed it on purpose" answer.
[09:01] <paynito> all i have is boxes now inside of gedit
[09:01] <Zoem> lol, ummm... oops
[09:01] <valehru> Updated to Hardy.  The nvidia_new driver is enabled but not in use, whats the story with that?
[09:01] <paynito> i should do it in nano instead
[09:01] <Zoem> yeah
[09:01] <Zoem> or a cli editor
[09:02] <xtknight> valehru, probably need to logout to get it to use the driver
[09:02] <Zoem> nvm, I don't use nano
[09:02] <Zoem> yes, nano
[09:02] <valehru> xtknight, no dice. logged out, disabled it, re-enabled it.  Still not in use in restricted devices.
[09:02] <paynito> it has
[09:02] <paynito> en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8
[09:03] <paynito> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[09:03] <Zoem> neato
[09:03] <Zoem> that's good then
[09:03] <Zoem> now, in /etc/environment
[09:04] <Zoem> change it to read LANG="en_AU"
[09:04] <paynito> should i add en_IN.UTF-8 to local?
[09:04] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, just try to change your kbd layout to a Dell one and the messages should go away
[09:04] <Zoem> and LANGUAGE="en_AU:en"
[09:04] <Riskbreaker> alex_mayorga, i've tried that
[09:04] <paynito> ok, going to /etc/environment
[09:04] <DistroJockey> DanaG: all GL screen savers are fubar'd (have been for a while for me)
[09:04] <DanaG> But try it with the parameters.
[09:05] <DanaG> It's a nice preset, run 'nice', and fps-limit to 60.
[09:05] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flux --regular -n -x 60
[09:05] <Theo_> If I download and install 8.04 BETA will I be able to upgrade when it is released in 4 days? Or will I have to re-install using the CD of the final 8.04?
[09:05] <Dr_willis> You can upgrade
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> i did this:
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop
[09:05] <Zoem> there is a difference?
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> and now at least th ekeyboard entry doesn't show up in powertop
[09:05] <paynito> ok I changed to instances of en_IN to en_AU
[09:05] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, interesting
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> but tehre is something labeled "extra timer interrupt"
[09:05] <Riskbreaker> but the dmesg messages still show up
[09:06] <Theo_> if I have 7.10 installed is there any way of upgrading to 8.04 without deleting files?
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: reboot ;)
[09:06] <Zoem> whait
[09:06] <Zoem> umm...
[09:06] <Zoem> one more thing.... I forgot
[09:06] <paynito> ok
[09:06] <DistroJockey> DanaG: as I said, I ran that before and i id glitvhy
[09:06] <DistroJockey> glitchy^
[09:06] <DanaG> Odd.
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:06] <Zoem> paynito: first
[09:06] <WaSrD> how come I was able to get add/remove to add 2 apps, but the other 99% of the time, if I try to add an app, it sits with working icon, no progress bar, and I have to reboot to close the add/remove window?
[09:07] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, grep NO_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`
[09:07] <xtknight> check if tickless s on
[09:07] <paynito> it said everything was up-to-date
[09:07] <Riskbreaker> didn't work
[09:07] <Zoem> ok, go ahead and reboot
[09:07] <Riskbreaker> do you maen powertop grep all that
[09:07] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,   no   "  grep NO_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r)  " in the terminal
[09:07] <DistroJockey> DanaG: smooth but glitchy
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
[09:08] <alex_mayorga> tried the powertop thing myself
[09:08] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, how much % is extra timer interrupt
[09:08] <alex_mayorga> it suggest "hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom", how bad is that?
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> 40%
[09:08] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, anything  dmesg|grep -i NOHz
[09:08] <Riskbreaker> but 20% is the keyboard again...
[09:09] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom 'hal' is the component that auto-opens a
[09:09] <xtknight> window if you plug in a CD but disables SATA power saving from kicking in.
[09:09] <Riskbreaker> nothing with that last one, xtknight
[09:09] <xtknight> that's the description
[09:09] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, being a while since I've used a CD
[09:09] <kahrytan> Anyone know where liferea config is?
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> can I safely implement that?
[09:10] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, yea it just disables autorun i think
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> OK, let me try
[09:10] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, what's your lap model?
[09:10] <Riskbreaker> dell inspiron 1501
[09:10] <DarkMageZ> what programs does ubuntu have available that can identify what encoder was used to make an mp3 file
[09:11] <paynito> no change
[09:11] <paynito> i have another screenshot for you in a sec
[09:11] <Zoem> what does locale say now
[09:11] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, we have the exact same bugger :)
[09:12] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, and dmesg | grep -i HPET
[09:12] <xtknight> please pastebin this
[09:12] <xtknight> if you get anything
[09:12] <WaSrD> how do I close this frozen add/remove window without rebooting please?
[09:12] <xtknight> WaSrD, repeatedly press the X window?
[09:12] <xtknight> er X button
[09:12] <paynito> en_AU.UTF-8
[09:12] <WaSrD> thank you
[09:12] <Zoem> WaSrD: do you have access to the system moniter?
[09:12] <WaSrD> didn't work
[09:12] <Zoem> paynito: that is interesting :(
[09:13] <Riskbreaker> nothing, xtknight
[09:13] <WaSrD> system monitor? I'll check
[09:13] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker: do you by any chance have loads of APIC error on CPU1: 40(40) on your dmesg?
[09:13] <WaSrD> yes
[09:13] <paynito> http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abcjp2.png
[09:13] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, http://ww.linuxpowertop.org/faq.php
[09:13] <xtknight> What is "(interrupt) : extra timer interrupt"?
[09:13] <Zoem> WaSrD: kill the process "gnome-app-install"
[09:14] <paynito> this box with 3 buttons, can't get rid of it no matter, what i click
[09:14] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, Riskbreaker maybe you guys could pastebin your dmesg
[09:14] <xtknight> !pastebin
[09:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[09:14] <Riskbreaker> alex_mayorga: i've seen those, yes.
[09:14] <WaSrD> thank you that worked
[09:14] <xtknight> i'd be curious... that laptop seems to have power problems w/ linux
[09:14] <paynito> i had a suggestion before to right click the desktop and try to change to ubuntu human theme
[09:14] <Zoem> paynito: I have no idea what that box was
[09:14] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: do you need us both paste?
[09:14] <DanaG> Actually: disabling CD polling makes it not find new media at all, even when you manually try to open it.
[09:14] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, i guess it would be helpful
[09:15] <alex_mayorga> OK, glad to "help" :)
[09:15] <xtknight> <- curiosity
[09:15] <DanaG> Some Dells don't have HPET.
[09:15] <Riskbreaker> http://pastebin.com/m2b8fa5f3
[09:15] <xtknight> probably the cause of the extra timer interrupt is no hpet
[09:15] <DanaG> But MS demands hpet for vista certification.... how can that be?
[09:16] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, haha well i knew that already
[09:16] <xtknight> hmmm
[09:16] <xtknight> :p
[09:16] <Zoem> paynito: what does it say in your letc/default/locale?
[09:16] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: yeah ,sorry
[09:17] <kahrytan> How do I restore firefox?
[09:17] <kahrytan> url box, buttons. etc
[09:17] <xtknight> i wonder if alex_mayorga is getting the same thing with his 1501 then
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> another dmesg
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> had the same stuff
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> with these two lines inserted in there:
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> [11941.102843] APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
[09:17] <Riskbreaker> [11941.073362] APIC error on CPU1: 40(40)
[09:17] <paynito> is that an l in front of the etc?
[09:17] <paynito> or a /
[09:17] <xtknight>  /
[09:17] <kahrytan> Help
[09:17] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah i wonder what booting with noapic would do
[09:18] <paynito> there is nothing in /etc/default/locale
[09:18] <Zoem> /
[09:18]  * DanaG is going to bed now.
[09:18] <DanaG> Good nighty-oh.
[09:18] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 01:18:13 PDT 2008
[09:18] <DanaG> yeah.
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> what is noapic?
[09:18] <DistroJockey> night DanaG
[09:18] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: http://pastebin.com/m2d89fe3f hope it helps
[09:18] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, disables use of APIC
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> OH OKAY THANKS
[09:18] <Zoem> Riskbreaker: it is a kernal switch to turn off apic timing, because amd boards often don't support it
[09:18] <Riskbreaker> i was kind of hoping for an explanation abouat apic too =-)
[09:18] <kaminix> My adventures in module land aren't going very well.
[09:19] <xtknight> chill
[09:19] <DanaG> I just hope my damn nvidia doesn't lock up again.
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> lol
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> i'll just wikipedia it
[09:19] <xtknight> yeah i dont see the errors on alex's
[09:19] <DanaG> I think I'll just switch off compiz for now.
[09:19] <Riskbreaker> in the meantime, how i turn this switch on
[09:19] <Zoem> paynito: please don't get mad at me
[09:19] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, probably not a good idea right now
[09:20] <Zoem> paynito: I don't know what else to do
[09:20] <xtknight> lets compare bios versions of you two ;o
[09:20] <Riskbreaker> 2.6.3
[09:20] <paynito> no, i think you are probably working and looking up something to help me, i am waiting patiently
[09:20] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, any ideas to fix my apic error?
[09:20] <paynito> oh, well, thanks man, it was a valient effort
[09:20] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, well yeah i was going to suggest noapic but i dont know, that disables a lot of other stuff too
[09:20] <xtknight> not a good idea in general
[09:20] <paynito> can i change it to french or something?
[09:20] <kahrytan> Can Someone please tell me how to get the URL panel back for Firefox?
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> kahrytan: right click one of the toolbars, go to customize
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> in the dialog that pops up, look for an "Address bar"
[09:21] <Riskbreaker> and drag it where you want it
[09:21] <kahrytan> Riskbreaker->  Onlything left is bookmarks  toolbar
[09:21] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  alex_mayorga, sudo lshw|grep -m1 version
[09:21] <kahrytan> Riskbreaker->  and that doesnt offer that
[09:22] <paynito> i posted my error messages on the ubuntu forums
[09:22] <paynito> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4751036#post4751036
[09:22] <WaSrD> thoughts on why add/remove is freezing repeatedly?
[09:22] <Zoem> maybe if you sudo apt-get --reinstall locales
[09:22] <Zoem> errr
[09:22] <Zoem> sudo apt-get --reinstall install locales
[09:22] <kahrytan> Can Someone please tell me how to get the URL panel back for Firefox?
[09:23] <Zoem> WaSrD: you have a bunch of dead repositories?
[09:23] <xtknight> kahrytan, view toolbars navigation
[09:23] <WaSrD> I just installed fresh tonight
[09:23] <WaSrD> got 2 apps
[09:23] <paynito> E: invalid operation locales
[09:23] <Riskbreaker> you can't see the "customize" option?
[09:23] <WaSrD> and freezes now
[09:23] <WaSrD> how do I find dead?
[09:23] <DistroJockey> kahrytan:  View - Toolbars - Navigation Bar ?
[09:23] <kahrytan> xtknight-> doh... I have main bar hidden
[09:23] <Zoem> paynito: it needs to be the second one. I'm terrible at terminal
[09:24] <Zoem> even though I use it all the time
[09:24] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: a couple of things showed up momentarily, and thenversion:notspecified
[09:24] <xtknight> ah hmm
[09:24] <paynito> the second one?
[09:24] <xtknight> so you do have the latest bios?
[09:24] <Riskbreaker> it seems like it is the latest bios, the dell site doesnt offer anything newer
[09:25] <Zoem> sudo apt-get --reinstall install locales
[09:26] <paynito> sounds promising with sudo apt-get install locales
[09:26] <paynito> the following extra packages will be installed
[09:26] <paynito> tzdata
[09:26] <paynito> the following packages will be upgraded
[09:26] <paynito> locales
[09:26] <paynito> need to get 4016 kB additional archives
[09:26] <paynito> it's going at it
[09:26] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, cat /proc/timer_list |grep -i hpet
[09:26] <Zoem> lol, that sounds like a good paynito
[09:28]  * DanaG has one HPET and 2 lapic.
[09:28] <Riskbreaker> nothing, xtknight
[09:28] <paynito> i have 8 postcards sitting here already stamped if you want one pm an address
[09:28] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, ok you dont have HPET, there is a patch however to force enable it but you'd need to recompile your kernel, i think.
[09:28] <xtknight> that's supposed to help power use
[09:28] <Zoem> lolwut?
[09:29] <Zoem> postcards?
[09:29] <paynito> just as a thank you, they are from the great wall of china, but i live in shanghai
[09:29] <Riskbreaker> i am not proficient with compiling the kernel
[09:30] <xtknight> lol;p
[09:30] <Zoem> oh, thats ok
[09:30] <Zoem> thank you though :)
[09:30] <DanaG> damn dell.
[09:30] <bazhang> 1 MIcrosoft Way
[09:30] <DanaG> If they really supported Linux, they'd put a damn hpet in their dsdt.
[09:30] <Riskbreaker> i know right
[09:31] <xtknight> lol
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> no hpet in their dsdt. wtf.
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> omgwtflolbbq
[09:31] <DanaG> And no gigabit ethernet in laptops?  weaksauce.
[09:31] <paynito> 12 mins left on upgrade locales
[09:31] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, do you know if you're using a cpufreq governor..ok ill put that in english if youd like
[09:31] <Riskbreaker> powernowd i think.
[09:31] <RAOF> DanaG: Thinking about it, even without the configuration you raise a valid point; it's a bug that our screensavers have bad defaults.  We should fix that for Intrepid (and work with that guy to make his configuration editor useful).
[09:31] <xtknight> yeah
[09:32] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, do you know if it's actually throttling your cpu at all?
[09:32] <xtknight> cat /proc/cpuinfo  for instance
[09:32] <DanaG> I'll submit a bug for rss-glx, with a diff for the config file.
[09:32] <Riskbreaker> cpufreq applet on the panel says so, yeah
[09:32] <DanaG> Default to 60, and add a spinbox.
[09:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Well, we won't add the spinbox (without the config editor thingy), but defaulting to 60 is much much better than 'as fast as possible'.
[09:33] <DanaG> And enable nice.
[09:33] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, looks like for any further improvement you will have to recompile your kernel with the 'force HPET' patch and even then no guarantee anything will be better with the "extra timer interrupts".  what % is that vs the keyboard interrupts?
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> xtknight: it varies
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> quickly
[09:33] <Riskbreaker> every number i gave you was a ballpark figure
[09:33] <xtknight> read the keyboard one only when ur not typing eles itill be inaccurate
[09:33] <xtknight> like just let it stabilize
[09:33] <DanaG> Another useful thing would be to have screensaver thingy set sync-to-vblank for nvidia.
[09:33] <xtknight> unless it's constantly fluctuating
[09:34] <xtknight> even when you're idle
[09:34] <DanaG> FPS limit at 60 doesn't guarantee lack of tearing.
[09:34] <DanaG> Oh, and try solarwinds with Jiggly preset.  It's actually a health risk.
[09:34] <RAOF> DanaG: Quite true.  Do the hacks offer a --sync-to-vblank option?
[09:34] <DanaG> It's both nauseating AND seizure-inducing at the same time.
[09:34] <mcp_> Hi. The new CPU-usage graph is really nice looking, but also useless to me. When my system is idele, ive got 15% cpu-load @800mhz. As soon i switch to the cpu-load-graph, load goes up to 100% @2000mhz. Is this common behavior?
[09:34] <DanaG> Nope; just the nvidia variable.  :(
[09:35] <xtknight> vsync should just be in screens&graphics properties
[09:35] <Riskbreaker> yeah you're right, the keyboard/mouse stuff goes away if i dont do anything.
[09:35] <xtknight> or screen res whatever they call it now :)
[09:35] <Riskbreaker> but im getting 200 wakeups per second for extra timer interrupts
[09:35] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, well then maybe it is not a problem?
[09:35] <gabbs> Can someone tell me how to get rid of avahi? Its pre-occupying my ath0 interface (ath0:avahi) so it won't connect to my router on boot
[09:35] <RAOF> DanaG: Right, so fixing that would be to patch the hacks to use the ask for vsync.
[09:35] <xtknight> at least the kb
[09:35] <DanaG> It's both nauseating AND seizure-inducing at the same time. -- wow, that's quite an achievement.
[09:35] <DanaG> Sure, it's easy enough to be one or the other.... but both?  Wow.
[09:36] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah the extra timers you're pretty much screwed unless you can find out how to enalbe HPET on your laptop
[09:36] <RAOF> mcp_: Common behaviour for people with bad drivers*, yes. * - ie: nearly everyone.
[09:36] <DanaG> Excuse me while I go off to sieze and barf...  :Þ
[09:36] <DanaG> I think I'll file a bug on those bad defaults some time, unless you get to it first.
[09:36] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, seems to be a lot of results with inspiron 1501 and hpet
[09:36] <xtknight> positive results i dunno tho
[09:36] <DanaG> Flux looks most "tame" with the Regular preset.
[09:37] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm off to make dinner, so you'll probably beat me too it.
[09:37] <RAOF> s/too/to/.
[09:37] <xtknight> Riskbreaker,  supposedly there's a bios option for HPET.
[09:37] <DanaG> Eeh, going to bed now.
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> a bios option...
[09:37] <DanaG> And have to study for a Monday exam, tomorrow.
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> so should i be enabling it or disabling it?
[09:37] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, try enabling it
[09:37] <DanaG> (move 'tomorrow' 4 words leftward)
[09:37] <Riskbreaker> brb
[09:37] <DanaG> Good night.
[09:38] <WaSrD> thoughts why add/remove keeps freezing?
[09:38] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 01:38:27 PDT 2008
[09:38] <DanaG> yeah, bed.
[09:38] <Lynoure> WaSrD: Synaptic or Adept?
[09:38] <DistroJockey> night DanaG again!
[09:38] <DistroJockey> :p
[09:38] <WaSrD> not synaptic
[09:39] <mcp_> RAOF, sad news actually. Especially because i really like the redisinged the resources-tab. Thanks for your reply
[09:39] <WaSrD> just the normal off menu
[09:39] <xtknight> mcp_, you just need to install your video drivers.  goto system->admin->hardware drivers
[09:39] <mcp_> xtknight, ive the nvidia-drivers installed
[09:40] <xtknight> and they are loaded?
[09:40] <Lynoure> WaSrD: oh, Synaptic then, Adept in KDE is actually called Adept in the menus too. Sorry, cannot help you then.
[09:40] <RAOF> mcp_: Yeah, the nvidia drivers really really suck at Cairo acceleratioo.
[09:40] <xtknight> i have nvidia drivers and no problem wit hit
[09:40] <xtknight> just looking at cpu load graph/
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> omigod
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> i'm so stupid
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> we've been talking about HPET for a while now huh
[09:40] <Riskbreaker> and we mentioned it stood for "high precision event timer"
[09:41] <WaSrD> ok...thanks.
[09:41] <xtknight> maybe?
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> and i'm sitting here like... i've heard this phrase before... where did i hear it before
[09:41] <RAOF> xtknight: It may depend on what GPU you've got.
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> well i looked it up on wikipedia and saw that's what it stood for. anyway, i had heard the phrase before but couldnt remember where
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> yeah it was a bios option lololollolol
[09:41] <xtknight> i hear gf8 is bad at 2d accel
[09:41] <xtknight> ah so did hpet help
[09:41] <Riskbreaker> my lappy is all quiet now, but still hot, which isn't that surprising at the moment
[09:42] <mcp_> xtknight, did you install your nvidia driver with the restricted-driver manager? Or some other driver version?
[09:42] <RAOF> xtknight: For me, with a 7600go, the cpu graphs eat up approximately one core, and go jerk. slide... slide... jerk!
[09:42] <xtknight> well first let's see if it's even on
[09:42] <Riskbreaker> but it is cooling down
[09:42] <xtknight> mcp_, restricted
[09:42] <Riskbreaker> let me check powertop
[09:42] <xtknight> cat  cat /proc/timer_list |grep -i hpet
[09:42] <xtknight> er
[09:42] <xtknight> cat /proc/timer_list |grep -i hpet
[09:42] <xtknight> RAOF, weird
[09:42] <xtknight> RAOF, oh it depends how big u make the graph
[09:42] <Riskbreaker> Clock Event Device: hpet
[09:42] <Riskbreaker>  set_next_event: hpet_legacy_next_event
[09:42] <Riskbreaker>  set_mode:       hpet_legacy_set_mode
[09:42] <RAOF> Yup, that too.
[09:42] <xtknight> it's horrible if i make it bigger
[09:43] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, well at least we enabled it
[09:43] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, does powertop mention extra interrupts now?
[09:43] <Riskbreaker> yes unfortunately
[09:44] <RAOF> mcp_: So, in short, (probably) blame nvidia :).  The nouveau drivers render that graph nice and smoothly with minimal CPU usage :P
[09:44] <Riskbreaker> and the keyboard entries still showing up in dmesg
[09:44] <xtknight> will gobuntu ever include nouveau?
[09:44] <xtknight> for 8.04
[09:44] <xtknight> seems .. expedient
[09:45] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah keyboard is normal . but that wont be happening during idling.
[09:45] <mcp_> RAOF, do you use the nouveau drivers? Are they already capable of some 3d acceleration (i really need tremouous support)?
[09:46] <xtknight> tremendous?  tremulus? either way prolly not ;)
[09:46] <Riskbreaker> this is pretty frustrating.
[09:47] <RAOF> mcp_: They _might_ run tremulous.
[09:47] <mcp_> tremulous was what i tried to type
[09:47] <popey> xtknight: there is a lot of discsussion about the future of gobuntu at the moment
[09:47] <xtknight> mcp_, nouveau wouldnt support it now
[09:47] <xtknight> it's very alpha for 3d
[09:47] <Riskbreaker> i think it has a lot to do with my laptop and its bios issues. so i wont take up any more of your time
[09:48] <RAOF> mcp_: The 3d support varies widely from card to card, and you shouldn't _expect_ it to work.
[09:48] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, yeah well i enjoy debugging that stuff :p
[09:48] <RAOF> mcp_: But on my card, it runs ppracer, openarena, neverball just fine.
[09:48] <xtknight> well the 3d support still causes out of memory right until they use gallium3d?
[09:49] <RAOF> xtknight: Oh.  The non-galluim3d never really worked, and is totally abandoned.
[09:49] <mcp_> openarena should be pretty much the same than tremulous. I think ill try the novou drivers
[09:49] <xtknight> yeah i just wish nouveau would start consistently on my system.. grr.
[09:49] <xtknight> it did work for a while
[09:49] <Riskbreaker> well if i make any more progress i'll be sure to come back and let you know
[09:49] <RAOF> !nouveau | mcp_
[09:49] <ubotu> mcp_: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:50] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, cool.  good luck
[09:50] <RAOF> mcp_: Also, that won't do 3d; you need to grab the gallium-0.1 branch from the nouveau/mesa git repository on freedesktop.org.
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> hey xtknight
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> powertop... it's telling me something
[09:51] <RAOF> mcp_: Don't expect anyone in #nouveau to care if tremulous doesn't work - the 3d is known incomplete and they don't want bug reports yet.
[09:51] <xtknight> yeah?
[09:51] <Riskbreaker> suggesting that i use SATA power link management or something
[09:52] <xtknight> Riskbreaker, oh yeah there are a lot of suggestions, i mean you can try 'em all if you want
[09:52] <RAOF> mcp_: On the other hand, _do_ care if it doesn't work for 2d.  They care very much if the randr12 codepath doesn't bring up your screen(s).
[09:52] <xtknight> i dont think any are particularly dangerous
[09:52] <RAOF> mcp_: Because that code will be enabled by default soon, and then head into the kernel.
[09:53] <xtknight> nouveau is heading into kernel tree you mean?
[09:53] <Perun> does hardy has a xen kernel?
[09:53] <RAOF> xtknight: No, the modesetting code is heading into the kernel tree.
[09:54] <xtknight> !info linux-image-xen | Perun
[09:54] <ubotu> perun: linux-image-xen (source: linux-meta): Xen Linux kernel image. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.24.16.18 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:54] <Perun> oh ok
[09:54] <RAOF> xtknight: Or, rather, the modesetting is heading to libdrm, which will be merged into the kernel tree.
[09:55] <xtknight> RAOF, ah so like resolution changing and primitive 2d stuff but not a whole video driver?
[09:55] <Perun> whats better, new install or upgrade gutsy->hardy?
[09:55] <xtknight> Perun, new install
[09:55] <Perun> why?
[09:55] <Zoem> Perun
[09:55] <xtknight> upgrades can cause package problems and disagreements
[09:55] <Zoem> I ran upgrade->hardy
[09:55] <Perun> aha ok
[09:55] <xtknight> or unveil bugs
[09:55] <RAOF> xtknight: Not even primitive 2d stuff.  Just resolution changing, IIUC.
[09:55] <Zoem> and with the multiple updates... half my packages got borked
[09:55] <Zoem> so I fresh installed
[09:56] <Zoem> and it runs beautiful
[09:56] <xtknight> RAOF, well so right now drivers like "nv" that are in linux-image, what is in them vs. the xorg .so file?
[09:56] <kahrytan> Can someone tell me where libc-2.1 is in repos?
[09:56] <RAOF> Perun: Depends, basically.  New install should definately work.  Upgrades are supported, though, so it should also work.  It probably depends on how much time you have.
[09:56] <kahrytan> glibc-2.1
[09:56] <xtknight> kahrytan, ubuntu has glibc 2.7
[09:57] <xtknight> sure you need older one?
[09:57] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Yeah but game requires 2.1
[09:57] <xtknight> oh i thought that stuff was supposed to be backwards compatible
[09:57] <xtknight> hmm
[09:57] <RAOF> xtknight: Aaah, that'd be a framebuffer driver.  There's also various *dri*.ko objects, which the mesa drivers use to talk to the hardware; this is where the modesetting will go.
[09:57] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Enemy Terroritory
[09:58] <RAOF> xtknight: There are also plans for a nouveau framebuffer driver.  Someday :)
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, oh ET definitely should run fine
[09:58] <paynito> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:58] <paynito> xfonts-scalable
[09:58] <paynito> E:Subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, just ignore it
[09:58] <kahrytan> xtknight->  Nope.
[09:58] <kahrytan> xtknight->  wont install
[09:58] <xtknight> kahrytan, aint believing that... it must be something else
[09:58] <xtknight> are you running 64bit?
[09:58] <xtknight> RAOF, so without the framebuffer dont the TTYs not work?
[09:58] <AlexC_> hey all
[09:59] <xtknight> or hmmm
[09:59] <Zoem> paynito: that is bad
[09:59] <paynito> hey AlexC
[09:59] <paynito> really?
[09:59] <Black_Magic> Hello
[09:59] <AlexC_> with Hardy, is it possible to rename my other mounted EXT3 hard drives/partitions? With Gutsy I could rename them to like 'web_dev', 'storage' etc, but now they are stuck on just '106.4 GB Media'
[09:59] <xtknight> obviously my TTYs worked when i used nouveau 2d but i dont know, it must be using a vesa fb or something?
[09:59] <AlexC_> kinda hard to remember which one is which just by the size of it
[10:00] <kahrytan> xtknight-> It is having problems loading libgtk-1.2.so.0
[10:00] <Dr_willis> AlexC_,  ive right clicked ->properties (i think) and under gnome i could change their names.
[10:00] <xtknight> kahrytan, what are you running it with
[10:00] <xtknight> kahrytan, type uname -a
[10:00] <Zoem> paynito: I dunno how bad that is, just bad
[10:00] <kahrytan> oh wait.... liibgtk1-2 isi n repo
[10:00] <RAOF> xtknight: No, that's not right.  You'll still have ttys, but with a framebuffer driver you can have 1680x1500 TTYs :)
[10:00] <Zoem> paynito: try rebooting again
[10:00] <paynito> rebooting now
[10:00] <xtknight> RAOF, oh dont think my video card supports those :(
[10:01] <AlexC_> Dr_willis, that is what I did in Gusty, however with Hardy I can only change things like Mount Point, Mount Options etc
[10:01] <kahrytan> xtknight->  huh what!? It's an installer
[10:01] <xtknight> kahrytan, uname -a
[10:01] <xtknight> just need reuslts of that command
[10:01] <RAOF> xtknight: It does, or rather, it could.  As long as it's got enough VRAM :)
[10:01] <xtknight> RAOF, it doens't have to bein the fb modes list?  i looked before and hadn't seen it
[10:01] <kahrytan> xtknight->  no need. Libgtk-1.2 deb fixed it
[10:02] <xtknight> man that guy really was against giving me his uname -a
[10:02] <xtknight> prolly installed some deb from sarge or something
[10:02] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:02] <xtknight> and rammed it in lib
[10:02] <xtknight> oh well
[10:02] <RAOF> xtknight: That's because you don't have a proper framebuffer driver, and will be using the vesa one :)
[10:02] <xtknight> RAOF, nvidiafb?
[10:03] <xtknight> not that i expect that to be good
[10:03] <paynito> still boxes everywhere after reboot
[10:03] <RAOF> xtknight: Maybe?  Dunno.  It'll break nouveau (and nvidia, I think), though.
[10:03] <xtknight> paynito, did you upgrade from gutsy?
[10:03] <Zoem> ...
[10:03] <xtknight> i mean like dist-upgrade
[10:03] <paynito> no from 6.06
[10:03] <xtknight> :O
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: Version: Not Specified
[10:04] <paynito> using uprade-manager
[10:04] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, yeah he got that too.  dont wory
[10:04] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, was just trying to get bios version
[10:04] <xtknight> paynito, boxes where?
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> is 2.6.3 here IIRC
[10:04] <xtknight> ya that's what he said
[10:04] <xtknight> same and you dont have the keyboard errors
[10:04] <xtknight> it's weird
[10:04] <alex_mayorga> buggy dell bios
[10:04] <xtknight> yeah it's sad there's no way out of that
[10:05] <alex_mayorga> I changed my layout to Dell and it went away
[10:05] <paynito> instead of applications, places, system, anywhere that is inside the "finder" including :username and password
[10:05] <alex_mayorga> I remember I had those
[10:05] <xtknight> paynito, maybe pango is messed up
[10:05] <paynito> yes
[10:05] <paynito> pango is messed up
[10:05] <paynito> i have a ton of error msgs about pango
[10:05] <xtknight> i dunno i never tried this
[10:06] <xtknight> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libpango1.0-0
[10:06] <paynito> ok, trying that now
[10:06] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, shall I accept all powertop "advice"?
[10:06] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, you should probably be able to make an informed decision based on the descriptions it gives you
[10:06] <Dr_willis> I noticed on my laptop some powertop advice. was not doable.. :) it wasned me to enable some features that dident exist on the kernel..
[10:06] <xtknight> i'd say go ahead i havent seen it marquee anything deadly by me
[10:06] <paynito> couldn't find package libpango
[10:07] <dekela> Yo People
[10:07] <xtknight> paynito,   libpango1.0-0
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> I also have PS/2 taking 47%
[10:07] <dekela> I got a very strang problem
[10:07] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, but when you are not typing, is it 47%?
[10:07] <xtknight> !ask|dekela
[10:07] <ubotu> dekela: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:07] <dekela> I am trying to play a movie on Hardy
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> if I don't do anything is 37%
[10:07] <xtknight> yikes
[10:07] <alex_mayorga> and then firefox is 23%
[10:07] <xtknight> yeah the dell bios keeps sending keyboard events i guess
[10:08] <xtknight> inspiron 1501 problem
[10:08] <xtknight> must waste a ton of power
[10:08] <alex_mayorga> lame
[10:08] <AlexC_> with Hardy, is it possible to rename my other mounted EXT3 hard drives/partitions? With Gutsy I could rename them to like 'web_dev', 'storage' etc, but now they are stuck on just '106.4 GB Media' - kinda hard to remember what each is just by it's size
[10:08] <xtknight> truly
[10:08] <dekela> ok so here is goes: I open an avi file with (totem/mplayer) and it loads without an error, but dosent play, when I move the slider I see the movie frames but it dosent play
[10:08] <paynito> it's downloading 2 megs and will take 45 mins, update you later, and thanks
[10:08] <xtknight> damn
[10:09] <xtknight> paynito, 56k?
[10:09] <Black_Magic> so has anyone figured outb hoq to label partitions?
[10:09] <Black_Magic> s/hoq/how
[10:09] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: anything else you need before I go to sleep?
[10:09] <xtknight> Black_Magic, yes
[10:10] <Black_Magic> xtknight: How?
[10:10] <Lynoure> Black_Magic: yes, if ext3, tune2fs does a good job
[10:10] <dekela> here is the error from mplayer running in terminal: vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()!
[10:10] <xtknight> Black_Magic, nautilus, Go-->Computer
[10:10] <xtknight> right click rename it
[10:10] <xtknight> at least if you mean the same thing as AlexC_
[10:10] <AlexC_> Black_Magic, by Label do you mean give it a name, instead of just having to remember what it is by the size?
[10:10] <AlexC_> yeah, just checking ^^
[10:10] <xtknight> tune2fs gives it a filesystem label
[10:10] <Black_Magic> AlexC_: yea
[10:10] <xtknight> but wouldnt be picked up by hal i tink
[10:11] <AlexC_> oh, that is weird. I can rename them by going to 'computer:///'
[10:11] <xtknight> dunno
[10:11] <xtknight> dekela, echo $DISPLAY
[10:11] <AlexC_> no I can't, not supported hum ..
[10:11] <Black_Magic> it gives me Operation not supported by backend...
[10:11] <AlexC_> same
[10:11] <AlexC_> so install tune2fs then?
[10:11] <dekela> I tried mplayer -vo gl2 but get the same issue
[10:11] <xtknight> o
[10:12] <IdleOne> anybody in here using SongBird 0.5?
[10:12] <dekela>  echo $DISPLAY empty...
[10:12] <Black_Magic> AlexC_: Whats tune2fs do anyways?
[10:12] <xtknight> dekela, really
[10:12] <alex_mayorga> xtknight, I guess that if my putter won't go to sleep at least I can :)
[10:12] <paynito> no man 1.5 MB/sec adsl in shanghai
[10:12] <dekela> strange
[10:12] <AlexC_> Black_Magic, I have no idea, never even heard of it
[10:12] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, oh sorry.  dont need much else
[10:13] <AlexC_> xtknight, should we install tune2fs I take it then?
[10:13] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: shall I file a new bugger on this or should I chase Dell?
[10:13] <Black_Magic> where exactly does /// go?
[10:13] <xtknight> Black_Magic, AlexC_ dont think that does what u want.  ill find the answer in a sec
[10:13] <AlexC_> x1250, thanks =)
[10:13] <xtknight> alex_mayorga, dell
[10:13] <xtknight> ;)
[10:13] <Black_Magic> it seems trash  is at trash:///
[10:13] <alex_mayorga> how?
[10:13] <xtknight> i dunno :\
[10:14] <Dr_willis> isent that    i dunno :\\\
[10:14] <Dr_willis> :)))
[10:14] <dekela> xtknight: anyidea?
[10:14] <xtknight> dekela, DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -vo x11 file    ?
[10:14] <xtknight> :\
[10:15] <alex_mayorga> xtknight: OK thanks, have a great day/night
[10:15] <Black_Magic> lol
[10:16] <dekela> different error: mplayer: could not connect to socket
[10:16] <dekela> mplayer: No such file or directory
[10:16] <dekela> VDec: vo config request - 560 x 304 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
[10:16] <xtknight> dekela, seems like your X is messed up ox auth
[10:16] <dekela> But still nothing
[10:16] <xtknight> or xauth
[10:16] <xtknight> logout
[10:16] <dekela> Strange, Its a new Hardy Installation
[10:16] <bXi> hi
[10:16] <xtknight> AlexC_, Black_Magic still looking
[10:16] <dekela> Didnt had the time to mess with it yet.. ;-)
[10:16] <bXi> i'm having some issues with my wireless
[10:17] <Black_Magic> Okie Dokie
[10:17] <AlexC_> xtknight, ok
[10:17] <dekela> Should I tried to restart X?
[10:17] <xtknight> dekela, ya
[10:17] <bXi> i'm gettin glots of [  129.265643] wlan0: RX disassociation from 00:90:4b:22:6d:b4 (reason=7)
[10:17] <dekela> ok, Thanks.. BRB
[10:18] <xtknight> AlexC_, Black_Magic  ok
[10:19] <xtknight> sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_57759cc3_4510_4f25_a5b5_bb7ae54db500 --key volume.label --string ext3test
[10:19] <xtknight> e.g. ^
[10:19] <xtknight> a little complicated
[10:19] <xtknight> :)
[10:19] <xtknight> you need to find your disk's UUID
[10:19] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:19] <AlexC_> O_o
[10:19] <Black_Magic> WHOAH thats a big command...
[10:19] <xtknight> i don't even know if this is permanent
[10:19] <xtknight>  hal-find-by-property --key volume.labehal-find-by-capability --capability volume
[10:19] <AlexC_> talk about a step backwards ...
[10:19] <xtknight> to find uuids
[10:19] <xtknight> err    hal-find-by-capability --capability volume
[10:19] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[10:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:20] <xtknight> this one's a little diff
[10:20] <Dr_willis> or somthing like that.
[10:20] <Black_Magic> theres got to be an easier way >.>
[10:20] <AlexC_> why on earth would they remove the simple - right click rename option? That is crazy
[10:20] <xtknight> new gvfs (vs gio) backend doesnt support it
[10:20] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:20] <xtknight> i guess
[10:20] <Black_Magic> Thats too much to do
[10:20] <xtknight> many regressions due to gvfs
[10:21] <Black_Magic> jesus crist...
[10:21] <Black_Magic> thats too much..
[10:21] <eric> Well good evening all
[10:22] <eric> Or Morning or day which ever time it for you
[10:22] <eric> Anyone have any issues with upgrading from gutsy to hardy
[10:22] <AlexC_> xtknight, =( ok, well thanks anyway
[10:22] <Black_Magic> it could be because of scripts
[10:22] <hydroboy> anyone using the RC on an intel macbook?
[10:22] <xtknight> AlexC_, i might be able to make a script to make this more feasible
[10:22] <Black_Magic> same xtknight
[10:22] <xtknight> sec
[10:23] <dekela> xtknight: I am Back
[10:23] <Black_Magic> xtknight: Pythhon script?
[10:23] <xtknight> bash
[10:23] <xtknight> just a cmd really
[10:23] <dekela> Thank you.. The issue seems solved now echo $DISPLAY gives :0.0
[10:23] <dekela> Very Strange
[10:24] <kahrytan> How do I delete mount options for a partition? (not related to fstab)
[10:25] <kahrytan> Anyone here?
[10:25] <AlexC_> nope
[10:25] <eric> kahrytan, I see your on hawiiantel same here where you located?
[10:25] <xtknight> kahrytan, right click it in ComputeR?
[10:26] <kahrytan> eric-> makaha
[10:26] <eric> which island
[10:26] <kahrytan> xtknight->  tried
[10:26] <kahrytan> eric->  oahu
[10:26] <dekela> xtknight: Anyway.. Thank you!
[10:26] <AlexC_> xtknight, I have to go for now, thanks again =)
[10:26] <xtknight> yeah
[10:26] <eric> I'm on the big island in puna
[10:27] <Perun> is there somewhere a docu how to install hardy with debootstrap?
[10:27] <kahrytan> xtknight->  I screwed up and set invalid mount option (automount) in nautilus
[10:27] <kahrytan> eric->  and i got no idea where that is
[10:27] <eric> Where the lava flows daily :-P
[10:27] <Dr_willis> Perun,  ive seen some guides   befor..and they were a little scary. :) also a bit out of date. Not seen any new ones recently
[10:28] <eric> anyone have any issues after a gutsy to hardy upgrade with the gnome panels
[10:28] <kahrytan> eric-> and where you can buy real estate for dirt cheap
[10:28] <eric> kahrytan, very true lol
[10:28] <orvokki> How cheap is dirt cheap?
[10:28] <kahrytan> eric->  Just reinstall and use separate home partition
[10:29] <eric> it only happens on 1 profile though
[10:29] <eric> I have 2 profiles and only one has panels that I can't edit
[10:29] <Black_Magic> eric: did you try unlocking the applets ?
[10:30] <aldi1> ﻿can someone tell me how to stop X server on ubuntu 8.04 *live version i want to install nvidia driver
[10:30] <eric> Black_Magic, if I right click the panel in an empty spot the only option I get is about panel
[10:30] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:31] <eric> I know it's weird
[10:31] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to reset mount options in nautilus?
[10:31] <eric> everything else s working pefect
[10:31] <eric> I didn't know nautilus has seperate mount points.  I thought it was all done by the fstab
[10:32] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  you are using the nvidia driver isntallers from nvidia.com? you have tried the restricted-manager tools yet?
[10:32] <xtknight> Black_Magic, sudo hal-set-property --udi $(hal-find-by-property --key block.device --string /dev/sda1) --key volume.label --string XP
[10:32] <xtknight> quick way to label disks based on block device
[10:32] <ProN00b> can i somehow have ubuntu redo all the harddisk detection and setup and overwrite all potentially bad changes i did to files such as fstab and mtab ?
[10:32] <kahrytan> eric->  lol Properties on any media. You got mount options.
[10:33] <eric> ah that part I never messed with that option
[10:33] <kahrytan> eric->  I did.. big mistake...
[10:33] <Black_Magic> xtknight: thanks
[10:33] <aldi1> Dr_willis: i tried it wont i dont have it listet when i run restricted manager
[10:33] <aldi1> like in 7.01
[10:33] <xtknight> Black_Magic, is there a launchpad bug on that
[10:33] <eric> kahrytan, what did you change and what is happening?
[10:33] <Black_Magic> i dunno :/
[10:34] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  what is your video card? you could just do a 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new'
[10:34] <kahrytan> eric-> I added automount in nautilus prefs for partition
[10:34] <aldi1> Dr_willis: mz xorg.conf doesnt have driver line, why is that
[10:34] <kahrytan> eric->  partition that isnt in fstab
[10:35] <Dr_willis> xorg.conf is now useing a very minimal  'featureset'  most of the stuff auto-detects and auto configs
[10:37] <aldi1> Dr_willis: how can i change resoluton and driver, i have only 800X600
[10:37] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Meh, there were still bugs in it with Beta. I hope they're fixed.
[10:37] <orvokki> Dr_willis: Managed to get compiz to crash with one of those "minimal" xorg.conf's.
[10:37] <kahrytan> No one knows how to reset Nautilus mount options for partitions?
[10:37] <Dr_willis> aldi1,  once i installed my nvidia drivers.   the various tools let me change the res.
[10:38] <Dr_willis> the nvidia config tools are not installed by default either. they are seperate packages also i recall instgalling them also
[10:38] <orvokki> They are? o.O
[10:38] <naught101> kino isn't in the hardy repos?
[10:39] <orvokki> Oh, apparently yes. nvidia-settings seems to be the package.
[10:39] <xtknight> Black_Magic, did Rename work in gutsy?
[10:39] <Black_Magic> yep
[10:40] <xtknight> Black_Magic, ok i will file a bug
[10:40] <xtknight>  might need to put some volume.label property in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi permanently as well, not sure
[10:40] <Black_Magic> oksie doksie
[10:40] <eric> kahrytan, what is happening?
[10:40] <kahrytan> eric->  Nautilus is misbehaving?
[10:42] <aldi1> Dr_willis: i installed sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:43] <orvokki> nvidia-glx-new is imo a better first choice unless the card is rather old.
[10:43] <Dr_willis> I used nvidia-glx-new for my 8800gtsXXX
[10:43] <aldi1> i cant find nvidia.ko module?
[10:44] <IdleOne> where can I ask for an app to be included into Ubuntu?
[10:45] <orvokki> !packaging
[10:45] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[10:45] <IdleOne> thank you
[10:45] <bullgard4> What programs do evaluate the variable font-size?
[10:45] <xtknight> Bug 219836 Black_Magic
[10:46] <Black_Magic> whoah theres that many bugs :/
[10:46] <gnub_daemon> is there some trick to getting dvd playback in hardy?  I have all required packages installed
[10:46] <xtknight> yea hehe
[10:46] <kahrytan> And now mount says my partition isnt in fstab but it is\
[10:46] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/219836
[10:46] <kahrytan> Hardy is still buggy
[10:46] <ChaosParser> gnub_daemon: what program are you using?
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219836 in gvfs "can no longer set volume label of hal drive through nautilus" [Undecided,New]
[10:46] <gnub_daemon> any
[10:46] <xtknight> Black_Magic, confirm if you can
[10:47] <gnub_daemon> vlc...mplayer...xine
[10:47] <gnub_daemon> mythtv
[10:47] <Black_Magic> means i got to reinstall gusty >.>
[10:47] <xtknight> Black_Magic, oh..no
[10:48] <xtknight> i mean just confirm it doesnt work in hardy.  all i mean is set status to confirmed on that bug if you have a launchpad account
[10:49] <gnub_daemon> they all give basically the same error
[10:49] <Perun> is kde4 in hardy already useable?
[10:49] <jussio1> Perun: Im on it, yes :)
[10:50] <ChaosParser> !worksforme
[10:50] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[10:50] <jussio1> Perun: you are welcome to join #kubuntu-kde4 if you want support for it :)
[10:50] <Perun> :)
[10:53] <WaSrD> when getting firefox flash player what do you choose to install? tar.gz or rdm or YUM?
[10:53] <gnub_daemon> it seems an update has fixed it
[10:53] <Dr_willis> WaSrD,  Hmm None of the above., You want to isntall flash with the package manager tools.
[10:53] <Dr_willis> !flash | WaSrD
[10:53] <ubotu> WaSrD: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:54] <WaSrD> ok thank you
[10:54] <Dr_willis> I wonder if the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package grabs flash or not.
[10:55] <xtknight> yup
[10:56] <paynito> pango fixed my boxes problem, now on starup i have an error box
[10:56] <xtknight> Recommends: flashplugin-nonfree, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, icedtea-gcjwebplugin, libdvdread3, liblame0, msttcorefonts, unrar
[10:56] <paynito> the application nautilus has quit unexpectedly
[10:56] <Dr_willis> i have my own little scripts that install all sorts of stuff when i do a new install. i forget what gets installed by what.
[10:56] <paynito> restart application     close       inform developers
[10:56] <paynito> there is no way to get rid of this box
[10:56] <xtknight> paynito, i realy recommend a clean install.  sounds like yours is all messed up now
[10:57] <paynito> aw, shucks, picked the wrong time to pull out the power cord while it was on update 100 of 381
[10:57] <xtknight> hehh ermmm ya
[10:58]  * xtknight must go to sleep :)
[10:58] <pwang> now ya need to do dpkg --configure -a, eh, paynito?
[10:58] <xtknight> or even "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" if it's really messed up
[10:58] <xtknight> but that cmd is like reinstalling
[10:58] <xtknight> ;)
[10:59] <kahrytan> eric->  hey?
[10:59] <xtknight> they really shouldn't make those so similar because ppl would swap those i'm sure
[10:59] <paynito> i was going to do sudo apt-get dist upgrade, it's asking to insert the cd, should i try dpkg first?
[11:00] <kahrytan> xtknight->  its 2am here
[11:00] <Niklas_E> howcome does thunderbird doesn't open url in firefox nowdays?
[11:02] <kahrytan> Niklas_E->  did you set prefs for preferred apps?
[11:03] <Niklas_E> can't find anypreferense for that
[11:03] <kahrytan> Preferred Applications
[11:03] <gnub_daemon> how about power options when I do ctrl+alt+del...all I get is shutdown, restart and logout
[11:04] <gnub_daemon> it should have suspend and hibernate in there too
[11:05] <kahrytan> gnub_daemon->  it does
[11:07] <WaSrD> can ubuntu desktop be configured as a DHCP server?
[11:07] <Dr_willis> WaSrD,  yes.
[11:08] <kahrytan> WaSrD-> yes and if you dont have experience in it ... firestarter wizard will help with it
[11:09] <paynito> running apt-get upgrade dist from root in recovery mode Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 351660
[11:09] <paynito> does that mean an error on my cd or on the hdd?
[11:09] <WaSrD> :) ok thanks for the tip...I wiped my longhorn trial and installed ubuntu today
[11:09] <eric> kahrytan, sorry stepped away for a sec
[11:09] <kahrytan> not wizard
[11:09] <kahrytan> eric->  you should register with nickserv
[11:09] <bullgard4> What programs do evaluate the variable font-size?
[11:09] <zeke> ok
[11:10] <kahrytan> WaSrD-> firestarter has prefs for dhcp
[11:10] <zeke> where were we?
[11:10] <orvokki> kahrytan: It's already registered.
[11:10] <WaSrD> it firestarter already locally installed?
[11:10] <WaSrD> *is
[11:10] <delight> anybody here got problems with running sun-java6-jdk on haryRC (arch: amd64)
[11:11] <Syntux> any idea how to dial to umax connection from Ubuntu ?
[11:11] <delight> I'm getting some strange error on java -version ... java is not able to locate a lib
[11:11] <delight> java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:11] <kahrytan> my bad .. its me
[11:12] <WaSrD> ...i see, so firestarter is a firewall for ubuntu, correct?
[11:12] <WaSrD> and it needs to be installed from?
[11:12] <kahrytan> WaSrD->  It configures  iptables
[11:13] <kahrytan> guarddog does same thing but more advanced
[11:13] <WaSrD> ah...I think it's already running....lol...moving at speed of stupidity...give me a day or two
[11:13] <WaSrD> :)
[11:14] <zeke> about power-manager and shutdown options
[11:14] <zeke> how can I get all the options to show up when I press the power button or ctrl+alt+del
[11:14] <Lynoure> I just heard some rumours about hibernation causing filesystem corruption in Hardy? Any truth to it? Which filesystems?
[11:15] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  and thats not a rumor I want to test .. production system here
[11:15] <zeke> possibly...I recently had to reinstall XP and Kubuntu on my laptop...though I think it was fsck that did them in
[11:15] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I've been hibernating about 20 times with hardy already, so far fine
[11:16] <mcp_> How do i disable tracker? I unchecked the entries in gnome session-editor. Trackerd still gets executed
[11:16] <Lynoure> kahrytan: mostly production here already, but I have lovingly done backups :)
[11:17] <kahrytan> Lynoure-> I am using RC cuz Mark considers Beta ready for consumers.
[11:17] <kahrytan> Well.. It was stable enough for it
[11:18] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I don't know Mark well enough to tell if I'd take his word for it =)
[11:18] <kahrytan> Just read his blog then
[11:18] <Lynoure> kahrytan: :)
[11:19] <Leeuw> anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with philips tv-card (713x) ?
[11:19] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I miss the Hardware Info applet
[11:20] <ac3> anyone uses virtualbox-ose with bridge networking in hardy? This works when i use static ip´s inside the virtual hosts, but not with dhcp. (i do have a dhcp server on my lan, and dhclient br0 works just fine)
[11:21] <murlidhar> ok everything is fixed after partial upgrade.
[11:22] <murlidhar> except that internet does not work in the hardy kernel but gutsy
[11:22] <murlidhar> any ideas how to fix that/
[11:23] <murlidhar> i am forced to boot from gutsy kernel due to non-availability of internet
[11:23] <Lynoure> kahrytan: you said the hibernation thing is not something you want to test... But do you have any info on it? I only heard a very vague rumour, trying to decide if I want to stop hibernation as the result.
[11:23] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  Im new to hardy
[11:23] <kahrytan> If it works for you now.. chances are it probably wont
[11:23] <Black_Magic> murlidhar: are you sure you have restricted modules for that newer kernal?
[11:23] <kahrytan> could be hardware based issue?
[11:24] <Wilbert> goodmorning
[11:24] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, i am not sure  . where to check that?
[11:24] <Black_Magic> synaptics
[11:25] <Black_Magic> restricted-modules
[11:25] <Wilbert> hardware info is not any longer available in hardy?
[11:25] <murlidhar> one sec
[11:26] <Wilbert>  hardware info is not any longer available in hardy?
[11:26] <lumm> ive just installed hardy in a crypted LVM..
[11:26] <lumm> after first start i got an update for lvm offerd
[11:26] <lumm> now i cant mount the disk anymore :/
[11:26] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, do i have to search restricted-modules in synaptic or there is an option in repositories?
[11:27] <Black_Magic> search
[11:27] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  what you installing?
[11:27] <murlidhar> kahrytan, nothing i want my internet get worked in the hardy kernel
[11:27] <Black_Magic> kahrytan: hes not installing anything ATM
[11:27] <Black_Magic> i was having he check if restricted-modules where installed for that newer kernal
[11:28] <Black_Magic> that was my problem a couple mins ago
[11:28] <Lynoure> kahrytan: It worked for me on Hardy already... actually not at all on Gutsy :)
[11:28] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, restricted module -generic is installed
[11:28] <Black_Magic> murlidhar: are you fully up to date?
[11:28] <murlidhar> Black_Magic, yes
[11:28] <Black_Magic> whats the new kernal named?
[11:28] <Black_Magic> like is it -14 -15 or -16?
[11:28] <murlidhar> 16
[11:28] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I use desktop
[11:29] <Black_Magic> well i tried sorry :/
[11:29] <murlidhar> no probs u tried :)
[11:29] <murlidhar> thanks
[11:29] <Leeuw> ﻿ anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with philips tv-card (713x) ?
[11:30] <murlidhar> kahrytan, any idea how do i make internet work in hardy kernel?
[11:30] <kahrytan> murlidhar->  no
[11:30] <Lynoure> murlidhar: that's a daunting task, the whole net :) (more seriously: what network card?)
[11:31] <murlidhar> Lynoure, intex ethernet
[11:32] <murlidhar> Lynoure, it works beutifully in gutsy kernel
[11:33] <Lynoure> murlidhar: rtc8139d or something else?
[11:33] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  did you hear .. I want to learn Pyton
[11:34] <Lynoure> kahrytan: You'll prolly have fun with it :)
[11:34] <orvokki> kahrytan: Ruby is also said to be nice.
[11:34] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  and ill make ubuntu python code my play ground
[11:34] <murlidhar> Lynoure, it is RTL
[11:35] <murlidhar> Lynoure, u want me to recompile the kernel??!!
[11:35]  * murlidhar is worried
[11:35] <kahrytan> You guys sure it's the kernel?
[11:36] <murlidhar> yes kahrytan since it is working when booting from gutsy kernel
[11:36] <Lynoure> murlidhar: I didn't tell you to do anything yet?!?!?
[11:36] <Lynoure> kahrytan: I'm not sure of anything yet.
[11:36] <murlidhar> Lynoure, i was worried
[11:37] <Lynoure> murlidhar: tune down your mindreadering, it seems jumpy =)
[11:37]  * murlidhar tunes down his mindreading
[11:37] <murlidhar> now it will be less jumpy :)
[11:38] <Lynoure> murlidhar: hmm, haven't found anything really interesting either way. Have you checked if there is a bug on launchpad on it yet?
[11:42] <Lynoure> murlidhar: do you have module 8139too loaded? (I think that's the right module)
[11:43] <murlidhar> Lynoure, ?
[11:44] <Lynoure> murlidhar: if you type  lsmod  do you see that module there?
[11:45] <WaSrD> ubuntu doesn't appear to be detecting any DHCP binaries what to do?
[11:45] <Lynoure> murlidhar: uh, some sources say that the chipset is really Silan sc923001 and does not work with 2.6 kernels, but if you had it working in Gutsy, that's weird
[11:45] <murlidhar> Lynoure, didn't find anything with 8139
[11:45] <Lynoure> murlidhar: try  sudo modprobe 8139too
[11:46] <murlidhar> i just came out
[11:46] <mnemo> does anyone know if there will be another kernel update before hardy is released? the last kernel update totally screwed me sound (alsamixer wont even start now, it says i dont have a soundcard) ...
[11:46] <murlidhar> it just came out did nothing
[11:46] <Lynoure> murlidhar: if it says nothing, it probably loaded fine :)
[11:47] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output perhaps
[11:47] <murlidhar> Lynoure, what is fealnx?
[11:47] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was at one time 2 or 3 different modulkes for the 8139 chipset.  - I  had a system that worked with one. but not the other.
[11:47] <murlidhar> is it related to ethernet
[11:48] <Lynoure> murlidhar: it's a module for another nic, I think
[11:49] <murlidhar> Lynoure, well it is in my lsmod
[11:49] <murlidhar> list
[11:50] <murlidhar> so is it weird ?
[11:51] <Lynoure> murlidhar: some of the Intex cards work with that, it seems. (Never touched an Intex myself)
[11:51] <murlidhar> Lynoure, so fealnx doesn't work with hardy kernel?
[11:52] <Lynoure> murlidhar: I really don't know. what's the device id  lspci gives for your card?
[11:53] <kahrytan> i found a bug in hardy
[11:53] <murlidhar> 01:05.0 Ethernet controller: MYSON Technology Inc SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter
[11:53] <murlidhar> now thats weird i have an intex card
[11:54] <Lynoure> murlidhar: that was one of the cards fealnx was for, I think.
[11:54] <murlidhar> i have only one ethernet card
[11:54] <Lynoure> murlidhar: there should be a device id like 1904:2031 or some other xxxx:xxxx there too
[11:54] <kahrytan> Lynoure-> I play ET allot and now monitor keeps saying Out of Range ..as if..
[11:55] <Lynoure> murlidhar: oh, that's enough data, sorry
[11:55] <murlidhar> should i lspci from hardy kernel ?
[11:55] <murlidhar> and see what there?
[11:56] <Lynoure> murlidhar: no need to
[11:56] <kahrytan> Why would Hardy cause a game i play to be out of range for monitor?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> Its trying some mode  i guess that your monitor dont like.
[11:57] <Dr_willis> start the game in windowed mode perhaps and change it?
[11:57] <kahrytan> cant
[11:57] <murlidhar> or press crtl+alt+  +++/---- to decrease the resolution
[11:58] <murlidhar> or increase the resolution
[11:58] <Dr_willis> cant? is that word even ALLOWED in a Ubunut chat room! :)
[11:58] <kahrytan> It doesnt do windows
[11:59] <murlidhar> Dr_willis, any idea why my internet is not working when booted through hardy kernel
[11:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm... last i tried ET and most any of theother id games they had command line options for a windowed mode.
[11:59] <kahrytan> Enemy Territory doesnt do Windowed mode
[12:00] <Dr_willis> it may have command line options to select some other fullscreen mode also.
[12:00] <Lynoure> murlidhar: no further ideas, seems like a bit troublesome card but should work with fealnx, more problems than for most cards, though :/
[12:00] <Dr_willis> murlidhar,  no idea. sorry
[12:00] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  nope
[12:00] <gaminggeek> alt enter work?
[12:01] <murlidhar> gotta go srry guys
[12:01] <gaminggeek> sometimes that is toggle window
[12:01] <murlidhar> cya all
[12:01] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  looks like you are stuck then.. you might want to double check the et docs, or google a bit on it.     Or manyally alter the configs to change the mode the game uses.
[12:01] <Dr_willis> this is ET? or RTCW:ET?
[12:01] <kahrytan> Wolfstein
[12:02] <kahrytan> ETCW>
[12:02] <kahrytan> RTCW?
[12:03] <kahrytan> its not a game bug
[12:03] <kahrytan> since it works in Gutsy
[12:03] <kahrytan> Something in Hardy causes the game to break
[12:04] <Dr_willis> Wolfenstein™: Enemy Territory   - has a windowd play mode according to the web site. Good Luck.
[12:04] <kahrytan> dr_w and how?
[12:05] <kahrytan> besides, I want full screen.
[12:05] <rose> hey guys, my nvidia driver resets itself every reboot - with the nvidia installer and the restricted-driver manager installer too.
[12:05] <kahrytan> Hardy has a new bug that needs a fixin
[12:05] <Dr_willis> set it to windowwed mode, then try setting to some other modes to see if its just one specific mode thats causing the issue.
[12:05] <kahrytan> Outof range means I can't access prefs
[12:06] <Dr_willis> I recall some command line options to force it into a failsafe/windowed mode.
[12:06] <toogreen> ok here's my issue, i always had wifi working fine under Gutsy and even after upgrading to Hardy for a while, and then suddenly lately after an update it completely stopped working, i don't even see my card from anywhere... I think its an Atheros, the brand is TP-Link tho
[12:07] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  and there is no --help switch to the binary
[12:08] <Dr_willis> googleing for enemy teriroty command line options,  is getting a lot of hits.
[12:08] <kahrytan> Anyone else care to help me?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> i recall those games having so many  optins it was scary
[12:09] <bullgard4> My GNOME terminal renders the letters blurred. But GNOME displays all menu items crisp. Changing to other fonts does not help. Rendering=Monochrome. How to troubleshoot?
[12:09] <kahrytan> Google something is not an answer.
[12:10] <kahrytan> and two, command lineoptions could refer tothe in gameconsole
[12:11] <kahrytan> which is inaccesible
[12:12] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  and there is no command line options from google search. try again
[12:13] <Dr_willis> http://www.rtcw.jolt.co.uk/content/enemy_territory/cmdcvarlist/index.html
[12:13] <Dr_willis> you can set most of those options from the command line some how. or edit the correct .cfg file to set windowed mode.
[12:13] <Dr_willis> r_fullscreen  	ETMain  	Client  	Toggle between fullscreen and windowed mode
[12:13] <kahrytan> VIA CONSOLE
[12:13] <kahrytan>  that means in gameconsole
[12:14] <OsamaK> hello. could someone see this image <http://osamakm.googlepages.com/Screenshot-media-FileBrowser.png>, this is my media folder. I have an external hard-disk that uses NFST filesystem. Fpr some reasons, I have too many icons for it even it ejected! What to do?
[12:14] <kahrytan> And i dont want windowed mode... bug needs fixin
[12:14] <Dr_willis> "~/.etwolf/tcetest/profiles/your-profile-name/etconfig.cfg" and changed the line seta r_fullscreen "1"         I belve you do somthing like  '+seta r_fullscreen "1"' from the command line
[12:15] <Dr_willis> they work as command line options  also
[12:15] <kahrytan> again .. no windowed mode
[12:15] <sperry201> can anyone help me install Nvidia Geforce 6200?
[12:15] <kahrytan> it doesnt fix the bug
[12:16]  * OsamaK waits
[12:16] <kahrytan> Aloha benplaut_
[12:16] <Dr_willis> +set r_fullscreen 0
[12:16] <Dr_willis>   or +set r_fullscreen 1 to get to a windowed mode where you can then try the other modes. And you are right - this is just a work around so you can play the game.
[12:16] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  And I want full screen
[12:16] <benplaut_> aloha :)
[12:17] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  so it needs troubleshooting
[12:17] <benplaut_> where ya from, kahrytan?
[12:17] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  makaha
[12:17] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  set to windows mode.. try a different /lower res.. THEn try that different res as fullscreend mode. Other then that.. good luck
[12:17] <benplaut_> cool, kona here
[12:17] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  I tried 1440x900 . .native
[12:18] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  where is that?
[12:18] <benplaut_> big island, west side
[12:20] <axion> hello
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  You know where makaha is?
[12:20] <rose> guys, how can i stop hardy reverting my graphics drivers every time i boot?
[12:20] <benplaut_> west oahu, right?
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  yeah
[12:20] <benplaut_> are you a HOSEF person?
[12:20] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  Where all the natives seem to hang out here.
[12:21] <kahrytan> no and Scott seems to be making enemies
[12:21] <axion> hmm can anyone in here tell me where I can find the changelog for packages ?
[12:21] <benplaut_> heh :)
[12:21] <kahrytan> benplaut_->  i am on the mailing list for LAUA
[12:21] <axion> I have been having freezes with firefox/pidgin..
[12:21] <kahrytan> LUAU
[12:21] <axion> I solved it by stopping ufw.
[12:22] <axion> the freezes where so severe I had to kill -9 firefox/pidgin several time
[12:22] <Dr_willis> its odd that firefox and pidgin are both getting affected
[12:23] <axion> skype had no problems..
[12:23] <Dr_willis> firefox seems to contatntly have flash related issues..  havent heard of any issues with pidgin lately.
[12:23] <axion> and the load avarage would go beyond 5..
[12:23] <Dr_willis> You  enable ufw and firefox crashes on any web site?
[12:24] <axion> the ufirewall was causing the problems..
[12:24] <axion> upon doing /etc/init.d/ufw stop propblems where solved
[12:24] <axion> probably only happens with very slowww harddrves
[12:24] <axion> harddrives
[12:25] <Dr_willis> ok.. what would the hard drive speed have to do with any of this?
[12:26] <axion> well I am using a flash drive with 3 to 5 mb/s write speeds.
[12:27] <Dr_willis> well i was going to try to replicate your bug..but cant do that. :)
[12:27] <kahrytan> who?
[12:27] <Dr_willis> since i dont have a flash drive axion . I still dont see how the hd speed affexcts that.
[12:27] <Leeuw> ﻿anyone encountered the infamous 'failed to initialise HAL' bug with tv-card (Philips 713x chip) ?
[12:28] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  going to try ti replicate your bug also.. be back in 10 min.
[12:28] <axion> well I have a 1.4 Ghz lptop, with 768 MB ram 8 Gb cf hdd..
[12:29] <axion> and I had the same problem with 7.10 before I upgraded..
[12:29] <axion> well betagraded..
[12:30] <axion> until I stopped the firewall.. nothing helped not even running firefox without any plugins did not help.
[12:31] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> game is defaulting to 800x600. A game bug issue but it never caused a problem in Gutsy but it is in Hardy
[12:31] <kahrytan> i did /r_fullscreen 0 and restart  in thegame
[12:33] <kahrytan> It ignores all config prefs and always defaults to 800x600
[12:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm its defaulting to 1024x768 here
[12:35] <Dr_willis> I cant even get the game to go to 1680x1050
[12:35] <Dr_willis>  but i cant find a mode it cant handle of the options.. some however do not go fullscreen. they stay in windowed mode even if i say fullscreen
[12:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> Maybe it has to do withthe fact screen resolution cant be changed by the game when it starts?
[12:36] <axion> the compact flash hdd is a cheap 133x cf card available for $25 some internet stores.. combined with a cf->2.5" ide adaptor available for less then $5,- at some ineternet stores
[12:36] <axion> there are also cf->3.5" adapters
[12:37] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> It's quake based and can handle widescreen.
[12:37] <Leeuw> axion: how much meg/gig is that nifty li'l thingy ?
[12:37] <kahrytan> Prefs in game was setup for widescreen though
[12:37] <axion> 8G
[12:38] <Leeuw> axion: wow; where do I gettit ?   and what exactly is a cf card ?   like pcmcia ?
[12:38] <axion> reads at 14MB/s, only problem is it's sub 5MB/s write speeds
[12:38] <axion> compact-flash card
[12:38] <axion> Leeuw, you dutch ?
[12:39] <Leeuw> axion: oh....   didn know about the cf to ide adapters, thatś pretty cool, isn't it ?
[12:39] <axion> yeah..
[12:39] <kahrytan> Hardy doesnt seem to allow to to change screen resolution on start. monitor can do 800x600
[12:39] <Dr_willis> Yea it has a few widescreen modes..but not the right ones for my monitor.  -  i also notice i got no sound. but it did let me pick a lot of modes.
[12:40] <axion> well seeing as the cf connector is actually a miniature ide-connector.. and the adapter just replicates the pins without any needs for ic's
[12:40] <Dr_willis> i got a dvi monitor  - with a 8800gtsxxx video card here. -      i cant find any  modes the game can do that it  goofs up the display
[12:40] <kahrytan> fx5200
[12:41] <kahrytan> I dont like windows mode cuz the desktop is a distraction to me
[12:41] <kahrytan> windowed
[12:41] <Dr_willis> i cant even connect to any servers. they all want to download these mod packs - I rember why i quit playing the game now. Heh.
[12:41] <axion> Leeuw, can we chat in priv ?
[12:41] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Jaymod .. get it.
[12:42] <kahrytan> Stable one is best. It doesnt changehow you play the game really
[12:42] <Dr_willis> !et
[12:42] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[12:42] <kahrytan> I didnt know et was valid
[12:43] <Dr_willis> I may not have the same vesion of ET.  this one says 2.55 -  i think theres a newer one
[12:43] <Leeuw> axion: thatś amazing... didn 't know that !
[12:43] <axion> aha Leeuw also on the isp of choice ..
[12:44] <kahrytan> I cant do the security fix
[12:44] <kahrytan> server i play on doesnt use it
[12:44] <Leeuw> axion: how find that out ?   Zit je in Holland ?
[12:44] <axion> yep
[12:45] <axion> but this is an english channell..
[12:45] <axion> etiquette would be to chat only english
[12:45] <axion> but to be exact: Zuid Holland
[12:45] <Leeuw> axion: hehheeh, and looks like you understand more about pinging and stuff than I do, or is it some IRC command I don know (blijf maar in engels, is beleefder hier)
[12:46] <Leeuw> axion: like I said...
[12:46] <it_rains> hello! anybody knows why my laptop can't make any sound?
[12:46] <kahrytan> It sucks that ET breaks in Hardy
[12:46] <Leeuw> axion: you have a clue about the HAL-bug I asked about earlier ?
[12:46] <axion>  well simply /whois NICK
[12:46] <it_rains> my laptop is B1906tu
[12:46] <it_rains> compaq
[12:46] <kahrytan> due to a bug in a bug in the game
[12:46] <axion> Leeuw, Hal bug ?
[12:47] <Leeuw> axion:  Oh yeah, I knew that...:-[
[12:47] <it_rains> probably it uses ATI SB450 or ALC260
[12:47] <axion> no Leeuw don't know anything about the phillips hal bug
[12:48] <axion> philips
[12:48] <Leeuw> axion: yeah; happened after updates; after a lotta searching in launchpad it had to do with tv-card , philips chip; took it out, all works.   Before: no initialise hal, noothing worked, had to reinstaalll at first...
[12:48] <axion> did you try enabling restricted drivers ?
[12:49] <Leeuw> axion: yep, but since no intialise hal, nothing ...   is there a restricted driver for philips tv-chips ?
[12:49] <axion> don't know..
[12:49] <axion> maybe you should manually load the modules..
[12:49] <Leeuw> axion: if there is, I could try install that before I puttit back in..
[12:50] <pen> is there a way to speed up compiz animation?
[12:50] <Leeuw> axion: thatś good idea; not so sure about how to do that...
[12:50] <pen> why some animations are so laggy, not smooth
[12:50] <Leeuw> axion: I was thinking compile new kernel with philips drivers in it
[12:52] <axion> maybe it has been blacklisted..
[12:52] <Leeuw> axion: loading modules would be easier; how do I do that so they stick around for restart (after putting card back ) ?   Or is that to complicated to say here ?   (then I'll google...
[12:52] <axion> try commenting the drvier in the blacklist..
[12:53] <Leeuw> xioblacklisted ?   as hardware for hardy ?   seems not likely... lotsa those chipz around.
[12:53] <axion> the laters update of 7.10 blacklisted all framebuffer-drivers..
[12:53] <Leeuw> axion: oh.. wait, I'm lost, where is that list and whatś it do ?
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: is tv-chip a framebuffer driver ?
[12:54] <axion> so they might have blacklisted tv-card modules as well..
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: makes sense...
[12:54] <Leeuw> axion: butta.. what where ?
[12:54] <axion> cd /boo
[12:55] <axion> sorry wrong keyboard
[12:55] <Leeuw> axion: yeah right...
[12:55] <Leeuw> axion: used to dvorak ? ;-)
[12:56] <Leeuw> axion: hey.. yer name is on my monitor !
[12:57] <axion> hehe..
[12:57] <axion> I thought of that name waaay back..
[12:57] <Leeuw> axion: the one that doesn't work in penguin... 3d screen... other longterm prob
[12:57] <axion> and entered in a contest.. which I might have won.. but I'll never know for certain.
[12:58] <Leeuw> axion: why ?
[12:58] <axion> because I think I used fake name-info.. who used to use thier real name on the internet.
[12:59] <axion> all that needed to be correct is your postcode and housenumber.. then the mail would arrive and you would know if the contest was genuinine or just a mail harve$ter
[12:59] <thompa> im having a couple problems. One file system check fails and I have to do ctrl + d always
[13:00] <axion> Leeuw, check in /etc/modules.d/
[13:00] <axion> you'll find some blacklists..
[13:00] <axion> check if your card is in the list and comment it out..
[13:01] <Leeuw> axion: ok...   will do ! thanx; have t' go now; will let ya know if I 'm back if it worked !
[13:01] <Leeuw> axion: eh... why blacklists ?   not easier to just remove modules ?   I don 't get the principle of it
[13:02] <thompa> on my box i have two partitions: one for 64 other 386. 64 has no sound device anymore and fs check fail on boot, 386 no automount of usb devices like walkman
[13:02] <axion> so you can uncomment the one you might need.. adn still have the module laying around..
[13:03] <Leeuw> axion: makes some sense, still don  really gettit though..   will do some googling.   thanx 'n'bye !
[13:03] <axion> thompa, try manually running fsck on the partition..
[13:03] <axion> laters Leeuw
[13:04] <thompa> axion: do i have to mount it live first?
[13:04] <axion> thompa, no a mounted filesystem cannot be checked
[13:05] <Leeuw> axion: massul !
[13:05] <axion> mazzel
[13:06] <thompa> axion: im wondering if I should reinstall instead. move all the files to the 386 partition
[13:06] <thompa> axion: on hardy in 386 usb devices wont work, namely walkman, its same on a couple laptops
[13:07] <thompa> they work in 64 though for some reason
[13:07] <thompa> maybe not after this update
[13:08] <thompa> I need to decide whether to keep 64 0r 386, since I don't want to be fixing both of these. right now the usb issue is showstopper
[13:11] <axion> just run fsck manually on the '4 partition when booted from the 386 partition..
[13:11] <axion> '64
[13:12] <thompa> axion: hey good idea
[13:12] <thompa> ill start there
[13:13] <Carroarmato0> How can I see if I'm using the release candidate and not the beta version?
[13:13] <axion> don't forget to make sure the '64 partition is unmounted..
[13:13] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  i think that little hardy et issue will be a pain in my side for rest of the the release
[13:13] <thompa> axion: yes thanks,
[13:14] <kahrytan> Anyone know what the UTc prefs are for time?
[13:15] <seamus7> hi all .. when I upgraded to Hardy I chose to keep my local menu.lst rather than allow it to be upgraded .. now I see that it's booting to an old kernel .. I tried 'sudo update-grub' and it recognize the new 2.6.25 kernel but menu.lst still lists an older kernel ... how can I fix this?
[13:16] <seamus7> I meant 2.6.24
[13:16] <kahrytan> I have this bad feeling that authorizations applet will be bad thing for Gnome
[13:17] <thompa> i wonder what the deal is with usb walkman though, here in 64 it comes up sony walkman usb 2, mount point /media/WALKMAN, in 3 other computers running 386 unknown device except i get a usb icon i cant open
[13:17] <kahrytan> One could .. almost set all apps to allow access and not need any password anything
[13:17] <thompa> this is worrying me, but nice to see 64 running better for some reason
[13:18] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     << that will force all things to RC
[13:18] <thompa> does this mean i cant use 386 on a amd 64? seems like it unless this bug is fixed
[13:18] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, or to the place they are at right at this time
[13:18] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: oh thx! I only did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:19] <kahrytan> ompaul->  do you subscribe to irc council mailing list?
[13:19] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: hmm.... doesn't do nothing... seems like I'm already in RC?
[13:19] <ompaul> kahrytan, as I am not a member of the IRC council then I would not
[13:22] <Carroarmato0> Isn't there a script or a file I can access to verify that I'm currently in RC?
[13:24] <dns53> you can roll forward from alphas to what is current through dist-upgrade, if they are calling the current a rc then that is what you will get
[13:24] <hubuntu> when are the last changes for the RC applied in the ISO? Meaning when is the daily build actually final?
[13:24] <hubuntu> This is important for me to know because I will be sending CDs to a event, but I have to send them on wednesday, so it means I will have to burn them monday & tuesday... So are the last bits applied on wednesday? Or is it close enough to just use the ISO from monday?
[13:24] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, that would be correct you are at rc
[13:24] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, it is that simple accept it ;-)
[13:24] <dns53> they try not to add anything on the last day unless they really need to
[13:25] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: oh ok, thx :D
[13:25] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: hmm... Does the Pulseaudio server have any fancy interface to it, or is it just sitting in the background?
[13:25] <hubuntu> We will use 7.10 as the "starring distro" anyway, but I would like to show and install 8.04 to those who want to give it a shot. I guess then 8.04 from monday is good enough then
[13:26] <hubuntu> ?
[13:26] <dns53> well can you wait a few days? it is getting close but who knows
[13:30] <hubuntu> I'll test the monday or tuesday ISO and test it. If it works OK I'll just send that. We are focusing on 7.10 anyways... Thanks!
[13:34] <it_rains> LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU),   SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:36] <starscalling> rawr!
[13:36] <starscalling> when i open a new window its not selected
[13:36] <starscalling> what can i change to fix that?
[13:38] <ompaul> starscalling, work smarter not harder?
[13:38]  * ompaul runs
[13:39] <ompaul> Carroarmato0, no idea on your last question there
[13:39] <it_rains> ﻿LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU), SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:39] <Carroarmato0> ompaul: thx anyway ;)
[13:39] <starscalling> ompaul: just needed to restart X it seems
[13:40] <starscalling> who knows what got borked :P
[13:40] <ompaul> starscalling, did you update first?
[13:40] <ompaul> i.e before it borked
[13:40] <maney> well, Firefox 3 isn't exactly borked, but until the missing pieces catch up it's not useful to me :-(
[13:41] <maney> are they truly planning to carry a patched beta release through the life of LTS?
[13:41] <Hobbsee> very unlikely
[13:41] <ompaul> na the situation is that the beta will fix some security along the way so I can see it get replaced
[13:42] <maney> well, someday it may be useful - right now only one of the three extensions I consider essential parts of the browser has as much as an easily findable pre-release that works with 3
[13:45] <it_rains> ﻿LAPTOP(COMPAQ B1906TU),   SOUNDCARD(ATI SB450) my laptop doesn't make any sound. somebody help me please!
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> i'm under kde4 now
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder if it's possible to apply the kde4 theme to gtk2 apps
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan> just like kubuntu/kde3 does
[13:47] <dns53> i think the engine has been delayed so i am not sure
[13:48] <yao_ziyuan> kde4 is still a mess
[13:58] <b4l74z4r> there's a bug in the "Listen" music player on Hardy; the next/previous track buttons doesn't work and when a track is finished playing, it doesn't jump to the next track, it just stops
[14:03] <ikonia> b4l74z4r: log it
[14:11] <yacc> Hmmm, I wonder what tool would be most useful for generating sprite animations?
[14:12] <rsk> yacc: read the wesnoth guides for spriting
[14:13] <dns53> for building the model or processing in a game?
[14:14] <jaffarkelshac> is there any video editor that supports ogg
[14:15] <dns53> is there a linux one that doesnt?
[14:17] <jaffarkelshac> none i have used
[14:18] <ikonia> jaffarkelshac: pretty much all should
[14:18] <ikonia> jaffarkelshac: although they will have had to have been linked against ogg or have a module system
[14:19] <jaffarkelshac> do you use any video editors
[14:21] <ikonia> not at the moment
[14:21] <ikonia> I do on occasion, but very rarley, I'm not a big video editing guy
[14:22] <khaur> installing from a usb stick is apparently still not officially supported by ubuntu in any way? anyone happen to know what's the best way nowadays to transfer the cd image into a usb stick?
[14:22] <thompa> i got 100% on cpu #2, evolution data server is only thing using 50% cpu
[14:22] <goodhabit> Hello. Help me please - after update from gutsy to hardy I cannot use two applications with sound, works only one. How I can set-up software mixing?
[14:23] <thompa> i never even opened evolution yet
[14:23] <kahrytan> thompa->  do you even evolution?
[14:23] <thompa> not yet, but i will
[14:24] <kahrytan> thompa->  I hate the program .. I plan to kill it
[14:24] <thompa> i just killed evol data server cpu now 10%
[14:24] <kahrytan> thompa-> I am thunderbird person
[14:25] <thompa> kahrytan: i have a complicated schedule
[14:25] <TuxIce> Intrepid Ibex is INtriguing
[14:25] <thompa> maybe will have to use kmail until this is fixed
[14:25] <kahrytan> thompa->  and google calander doesnt do the trick?
[14:25] <wigren> i have a minor annoyance. when ever i restart my laptop or log out and back in my screen brightness goes to the darkest setting. i have to use the function button to reset it. any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:25] <kahrytan> calender
[14:25] <ikonia> thompa: you could investigate sunbird ?
[14:26] <thompa> kahrytan: what eles is there, i just dont feel like being part of a marekting scheme with google
[14:26] <thompa> *marketing
[14:26] <kahrytan> ikonia-> good idea
[14:26] <thompa> ikonia: i tried it a while back, will look at it again
[14:26] <ikonia> thompa: it's in development and is progressing at a reasonable pace
[14:27] <kahrytan> Do you use ekiga, thompa ?
[14:27] <thompa> google mail creeps me out. I guess someone or something reads the messages
[14:27] <thompa> kahrytan: i will, dads in tailand
[14:28] <kahrytan> What? no skype?
[14:28] <thompa> hes using skype there on a powerbook, dont knwo if they talk
[14:29] <thompa> i still got some major bugs on hardy, but overall its faster and stable in some areas
[14:29] <kahrytan> If he uses skype then wouldnt it be better for you to use it?
[14:29] <thompa> usb and sound are broke on various machines
[14:30] <thompa> kahrytan: yah maybe, is it free too
[14:30] <thompa> anyone got a walkman here they can test with usb?
[14:30] <kahrytan> Skype to Skype is free
[14:31] <thompa> karmue: cool
[14:31] <CP2> Hello folks, I'm still using 10.06. Is a GUI PPPoE client been added to the newer versions of Ubuntu? Or is still necessary to use pppoeconf to setup an adsl pure bridge mode connection? thanx
[14:31] <wigren> i have a minor annoyance. when ever i restart my laptop or log out and back in my screen brightness goes to the darkest setting. i have to use the function button to reset it. any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:32] <kahrytan> CP2-> I recommend you get yourself a router.
[14:32] <axion> problem solved.. I hope.
[14:32] <ProN00b> i am getting an error "WARNING: Error inserting padlock_aes (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko): No such device" when i am trying to do "modprobe aes", does anyone know what that means ?
[14:32] <kahrytan> CP2-> thats assuming you have pppoe dsl
[14:32] <axion> the firewall cf files where probably bad..
[14:33] <CP2> kahrytan: I could do that, but some distros like SuSE have a GUI client. It's strange that Ubuntu has never inserted a GUI PPPoE client. Yes, I have a PPPoE connection
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2->  Well, a router would fix any need for a gui or login.
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2-> Router logins  for you and all you do is connect to router.
[14:34] <kahrytan> CP2->  Nicer that way with live cds ... no special software. Just open firefox and surf.
[14:36] <CP2> kahrytan: I know, many ISPs in Italy send their customers ETH modem in RFC 1483 Bridged IP. A GUI setup would be must easy for some people
[14:36] <ProN00b> uhm, could it be that the 2.6.24 kernel in heron does not support aes-xts-plain ?
[14:41] <ikonia> ProN00b: can't see anything in the release notes to suggest not
[14:41] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone recommed a webcam that works seamlessly under ubuntu
[14:41] <ikonia> _Rambaldi_: most will do
[14:41] <ProN00b> hmm, then why does "cryptsetup -c aes-xts-plain -y -s 128 luksFormat /dev/md0" fail ?
[14:42] <_Rambaldi_> nothing to install? you just stick it and it work?
[14:42] <ProN00b> it works with aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 instead of aes-xts-plain
[14:43] <ProN00b> oh, keylength too short *_*
[14:45] <rohan> the ubuntu 8.04 cd by default has java installed? free or non-free?
[14:48] <kahrytan> rohan->  Thus far on my install... no java
[14:49] <kahrytan> There is java policy pref and java-commom
[14:49] <rohan> ok, so i won't need to remove it and then install sun java :)
[14:49] <ysk> i have kubuntu 8.4 and i want ubuntu desktop
[14:49] <rohan> ysk: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <kahrytan> I did synaptic search for java
[14:49] <kahrytan> all there is java-common
[14:50] <rohan> kahrytan: there should be sun-java6-jdk
[14:50] <kahrytan> base packages
[14:50] <rohan> kahrytan: ah, sun java is in universe i think
[14:50] <kahrytan> and not included
[14:50] <ysk> rohan bhai mein nahi janta k kia kahani hai mujhey wazahat se bata saktey hain aap?
[14:50] <ProN00b> hmm, as a filesystem i use ext3, right ?
[14:50] <kahrytan> java5 and 6 are avail
[14:51] <ompaul> ProN00b, not a bad choice
[14:51] <rohan> ProN00b: yes
[14:51] <ProN00b> ompaul, there are no other choices, are there ?
[14:51] <ompaul> ProN00b, none that make sense
[14:51] <rohan> ProN00b: there are. reiserfs, ext4
[14:51] <kahrytan> ext3 is the default choice really
[14:51] <rohan> ompaul: why don't reiserfs and ext4 "make sense"?
[14:51] <ysk> rohan: i dont know i am windows user can u guide me what u just wrote what it was and how to do it
[14:51] <ProN00b> there is no mkfs.ext4
[14:52] <ProN00b> *_*
[14:52] <ompaul> riser has eaten my data in the past
[14:52] <rohan> ysk: open a terminal, type that command -- "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" press enter
[14:52] <rohan> ProN00b: yes, i don't think it's supported well yet, that fs is highly experimental
[14:52] <kahrytan> ProN00b->  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems so you know what some of them are
[14:52] <rohan> usable, though not recommended
[14:53] <ysk> done
[14:53] <rohan> ysk: that's it, then
[14:53] <ompaul> rohan, ergo does not make sense ;-)
[14:53] <rohan> ompaul: :D but reisferfs does
[14:53] <ProN00b> i am thinking of using ext2
[14:53] <ompaul> rohan, I don't trust it with anything at all - xfs I would trust faster
[14:53] <rohan> though even that is unmaintained now, it seems.. and reiser4 is suspended i guess?
[14:53] <ysk> rohan bhai there are many updates and i opened it couple of minutes b4 to upgrade
[14:54] <ompaul> ProN00b, that would be silly
[14:54] <rohan> ProN00b: no, ext2 is not a journalling fs
[14:54] <ysk> and now there are many upgrading processes are running
[14:54] <ProN00b> because i don't really crash often so i don't need that journaling hack
[14:54] <ysk> should i restart my pc?
[14:54] <rohan> ysk: yes, you are installing the complete gnome
[14:54] <rohan> ysk: no, not needed
[14:54] <rohan> ProN00b: journalling is not a "hack"
[14:55] <kahrytan> ProN00b->  Just stick to ext3.
[14:55] <rohan> right
[14:55] <ProN00b> well, stuff is written to a journal instead of right in the place they belong, i don't get how that helps with anything
[14:55] <rohan> ProN00b: that's not how journalling works
[14:56] <ompaul> ProN00b, there is a reason things are default - learn the defaults then you can compare things to that - starting off in some pseudo experimental configuration is not a great idea
[14:56] <rohan> ProN00b: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[14:56] <rohan> A journaling file system is a file system that logs changes to a journal (usually a circular log in a dedicated area) before committing them to the main file system. Such file systems are less likely to become corrupted in the event of power failure or system crash.
[14:56] <Fraeon> Hmh, my RT73 stick and WPA don't mix apparently
[14:56] <rohan> that reminds me.. JFS is an option too! :)
[14:57] <ompaul> rohan, xfs tends to be good - this I can say from experience
[14:58] <rohan> ah yes, xfs too
[14:58] <ProN00b> rohan, don't you see that that doesn't make sense ? changes are just written somewhere else, corruption can occur there too
[14:58] <rohan> but most distros these days prefer ext3
[14:59] <rohan> ProN00b: did you read the complete article? the Rationale?
[14:59] <zionpsyfer> ProN00b: Trust me, as a person who has used ext2 quite a bit, and dealt with bad superblocks and an unbootable system... hours in fsck..  journaling is the way to go.
[15:00] <zionpsyfer> I've yet to have the journal cause me an issue.
[15:00] <Vadi> ﻿My friends X server crashes everytime the screensaver comes in and when he goes to change the screensaver too. What's the terminal command to change it without doing a preview? This is on an 'intel extreme graphics 2' onboard card, because ubuntu refuses to use the better ati radeon one
[15:00] <kahrytan> Thats something nice about Linux distros these days ...You don't have to sit and wait for hours waiting for defrag to finish.
[15:01] <rohan> kahrytan: you never had to!
[15:01] <kahrytan> in Windows. you gotta
[15:02] <rohan> oh, comparing linux and windows, yes
[15:02] <kahrytan> Linux desktop is more productive desktop because of the defrag need
[15:02] <rohan> anyway, i'm off.. cheers to ubuntu, can't wait for hardy :)
[15:02] <rohan> bye
[15:03] <Vadi> Or does anyone know how to get Ubuntu to choose a different card when two are available? Because that would be a lot better (he can't use compiz or any gaming atm)
[15:03] <zionpsyfer> Vadi is the one being used as default an onboard?
[15:04] <Vadi> Yeah.
[15:04] <Vadi> The other one is a Radeon 9200.
[15:05] <kahrytan> Vadi->  turn off onboard graphics?
[15:05] <Vadi> How?
[15:05] <zionpsyfer> BIOS
[15:05] <kahrytan> bios
[15:05] <zionpsyfer> If it isn't, in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.  Does it detect both?
[15:05] <Vadi> We tried that on 7.10, it has a disastrous effect. We can try again
[15:05] <Vadi> Ok moment
[15:06] <sharperguy> can I use audacity with pulseaudio?
[15:06] <kahrytan> What happened
[15:06] <Vadi> ﻿kahrytan: the other one wasn't being used at all, and he got kicked into the terminal
[15:06] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: audacity seems to work ok with pulse on my system.
[15:06] <sharperguy> zionpsyfer, well i cant get it to do anything
[15:06] <kahrytan> in Gutsy. Pulse dominated sound driver
[15:07] <kahrytan> preventing anyother audio app access
[15:07] <sharperguy> and it doesnt have an option for pukse either
[15:07] <kahrytan> it wouldntself terminate
[15:07] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: despite its promises, pulse only allows me to use one audio source at a time.  anything else using sound?
[15:08] <sharperguy> not really
[15:08] <sharperguy> anyway if you set everything to pulse it should work, but audacity doesnt have an option
[15:09] <kahrytan> pulse sound preview wont activate with sound is used
[15:09] <zionpsyfer> sharperguy: Hmm, pulse appears in the Audio Output plugin list
[15:09] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: how can he tell if it detects both?
[15:09] <kahrytan> i just rested it
[15:09] <Bravewolf> Why hardy doesn't recognize my nvidia card (proprietary drivers not listed in the specific application in system->administration)
[15:10] <Bravewolf> ?
[15:10] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Hmm, it would have hoped it would have given you a list.  No?
[15:11] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: no, it doesn't. Should we try the bios now?
[15:11] <nemo> ok. why'd my 4 workspaces drop down to 2 in recent compiz updates?
[15:11] <kahrytan> does anyone know how to turn off firefox 3's live  bookmark search?
[15:11] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: do both cards show up in  xorg.conf?  Yeah, I'd try the bios first as that would be the simplest way if it worked.
[15:11] <nemo> they still show up in metacity
[15:13] <kahrytan> Has anyone went to about:config in ff3?
[15:13] <blotto> Passing arguments to a perl script that is called with backticks
[15:14] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: here's his xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m1b8407d4
[15:14] <ProN00b> why does mkfs.ext3 take so long ?
[15:14] <Vadi> zionpsyfer: from the looks if it I don't think it does
[15:15] <sharperguy> yay, the entire system froze and i had to hard reset
[15:15] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Agreed, all I see is the generic video card.
[15:15] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: So I'll tell him to try the bios now
[15:16] <sharperguy> thats happened like 3 times now since i installed hardy on friday night
[15:16] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: k, hopefully that solves it.
[15:17] <Bravewolf> Error in the post install script of acpid. impossibility to upgrade acpid. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/. Any tips?
[15:17] <sharperguy> even the boring elephants thing didnt work
[15:19] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: actually he says the onboard one is already disabled. But I told him to check and toggle it
[15:20] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: can you run : sudo fuser -v /proc/acpi/event ?  Something is using that file.
[15:20] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Yeah, if he's getting video out of it.....  Or is he plugged into the radeon?
[15:21] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:21] <murlidhar> but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:21] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: both cards are plugged in
[15:21] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: /proc/acpi/event:    root       7989 f.... acpid
[15:22] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  I mean to the monitor. If the onboard is plugged into a monitor, he should unplug it.
[15:22] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: so? I've tried both i386 and amd64 without success
[15:22] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: You mean there's a cable for each card?
[15:22] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: sorry, laptop user here
[15:23] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:23] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: if a process is using that file, it blocks access to other processes.  We need to stop whatever is using it.  Temporarily so that you can finish the install.
[15:23] <filthpig_> hiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home
[15:23] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: No, I mean his monitor cable, that plugs into the video card.  He needs to verify which video card the monitor is plugged into.
[15:24] <blotto> my internet is not working with hardy kernel.. but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:24] <blotto> use apt with -d to d/l only
[15:24] <murlidhar> blotto, ?
[15:25] <murlidhar> could get what u were saying
[15:25] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: i tried to stop acpid (/etc/init.d/acpid stop) without success
[15:25] <murlidhar> could NOT get what u were saying
[15:25] <murlidhar> blotto, could NOT get what u were saying
[15:26] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: What was the error?
[15:27] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/plain/
[15:27] <murlidhar> blotto, my internet works only when i boot from gutsy kernel
[15:27] <murlidhar> blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:28] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: he says he's now on his onboard ones, and ubuntu went into the low graphics mode
[15:28] <blotto>  ?. could get what u were saying
 blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:29] <blotto> Error in the post install script of acpid. impossibility to upgrade acpid. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63833/. Any tips?
[15:29] <murlidhar> blotto, sorry for my english
[15:29] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: Can you try stopping acpid and acpi-support from a terminal.  '/etc/init.d/acpid stop'
[15:29] <blotto>  my internet works only when i boot from gutsy kernel.. blotto, my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:30] <murlidhar> does anyone has a solution for my problem?
[15:30] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: yet done. no success
[15:30] <blotto> does anyone have any ideas of how i can get my sound to work?
[15:30] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  He needs to NOT plug his monitors into the onboard card. He needs to plug in the monitor to the video card he wants to use.
[15:31] <ProN00b> uuhm, can anyone tell me why my newly created totally empty ext3 filesystem got 46gb "used" ?
[15:32] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: I'll try to search in the bts
[15:32] <_Lucretia_> ok, kind of got my x working. I've got 3D acceleration, the keymap is still broken and the screen is bigger than it should be, i.e. it's like there's a virtual size set
[15:32] <_Lucretia_> but I can't actually scroll around the area
[15:32] <murlidhar> my internet does not work when i boot from hardy kernel
[15:33] <Gnimsh> hi
[15:33] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: what does lsof /proc/acpi/event give?
[15:33] <Gnimsh> anyone else have issues with audio?
[15:33] <murlidhar> me here
[15:33] <Gnimsh> murlidhar, what kind of issues?
[15:33] <_Lucretia_> ok, that's wierd, opened the screen resolution app and it fixed the display size
[15:33] <murlidhar> i had issues with audio
[15:33] <blotto> anyone else having issues with "move to trash" not showing up in the trashcan but actualy being in ~/.Trash and notbeing able to empty the trach from right clicking ?
[15:33] <Gnimsh> I've got pulseaudio enabled, and have skype/twinkle set to use the default device
[15:34] <_Lucretia_> zub: if you're there, can you help?
[15:34] <murlidhar> it got solved when i fully upgraded and updated
[15:34] <Gnimsh> but in order to use audio in one I have to close all other devices trying to use the sound application
[15:34] <Gnimsh> I'm in 8.04 myself...ran the update manager this morning
[15:34] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: acpid   23249 root    3r   REG    0,3    0 4026531944 /proc/acpi/event
[15:34] <blotto> anyone else have issues with audio?
[15:35] <Gnimsh> I'm actually starting to get really fed up with it
[15:35] <blotto> is there some easy way to tell what application is using my hard disk? it's been thrashing for about half an hour or so
[15:35] <Gnimsh> I wouldn't have this problem if I could connect to my bluetooth headset, but there's been a bug and its not fixed yet, but is committed for the final release.
[15:35] <bazhang> blotto: top
[15:35] <murlidhar> is blotto a mad bot?
[15:35] <zionpsyfer> Bravewolf: this is ugly, but try a killall acpid
[15:36] <Gnimsh> I personally think its ridiculous that a modern OS can't share the audio devices between many applications at once
[15:36] <blotto> another bot?
[15:36] <Gnimsh> I have to turn off firefox and npviewer to make a phone call, or close rhythmbox to watch a movie...  it just doesn't make sense
[15:36] <Gnimsh> murlidhar, are those the kinds of issues you were having as well?
[15:36]  * murlidhar kicks blotto
[15:36] <Bravewolf> zionpsyfer: I tried kill 23249 (acpid PID), but it doesn't work. In my opinion it's a bug of acpid post install script. With hardy beta it works perfectly
[15:37] <PriceChild> Gnimsh: i don't have that problem
[15:37] <bazhang> Gnimsh: using oss?
[15:37] <murlidhar> Gnimsh, no my audio wasn't working at all
[15:37] <Gnimsh> using pulseaudio
[15:37] <murlidhar> my internet is not working with hardy kernel
[15:37] <murlidhar> now
[15:37] <Gnimsh> ah
[15:37] <PriceChild> murlidhar: what do you mean 'internet' ?
[15:37] <PriceChild> wireless card, ethernet?
[15:37] <Gnimsh> I'm actually considering going back to windows now
[15:37] <murlidhar> PriceChild, ethernet
[15:38] <PriceChild> murlidhar: have you filed a bug?
[15:38] <PriceChild> (don't try now)
[15:38] <Gnimsh> its so difficult to make and receive phone calls, and when my computer is my only way to do that, its a problem.
[15:38] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: I'd just downgrade to the current stable release if I were you.
[15:38] <murlidhar> PriceChild, no but lspci gives me this  01:05.0 Ethernet controller: MYSON Technology Inc SURECOM EP-320X-S 100/10M Ethernet PCI Adapter
[15:38] <Gnimsh> is there a way to do that without reinstalling?
[15:38] <PriceChild> Vadi: that is a good point.. why is he using hardy on a machine he 'needs' to be able to make phone calls from...
[15:38] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: I doubt any OS can do that.
[15:38] <Gnimsh> I upgraded cuz I had video issues in the last one, certain programs would not run.
[15:38] <blotto>  user:group, should i put the groups as admin or users
[15:38] <Gnimsh> ya, that's what I was afraid of.
[15:39] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: The warning was clear though not to test if you need the machine. :|
[15:39] <blotto> bazhang: then select macbook
[15:39] <murlidhar> what is blotto is doing here
[15:39] <PriceChild> murlidhar: when launchpad comes back online, you should consider filing a bug and trying to help get things fixed rather than just complaining here.
[15:39] <Gnimsh> eh, at that point I had nothing to lose as 7.10 wasn't exactly working how I wanted either
[15:39] <PriceChild> blotto: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:39] <bazhang> blotto: not sure what you mean
[15:39] <Gnimsh> now the video issue is fixed and I can use my audio, just one problem at a time.
[15:40] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i think i was missing some settting that was not letting me to  connect to the interne
[15:40] <Gnimsh> I kinda doubt that this audio issue will be fixed though because it seems to be more a trademark of linux than a bug
[15:40] <PriceChild> murlidhar: so the card works fine?
[15:40] <murlidhar> PriceChild, yes of course it is . i am using the same card from gutsy kernel
[15:40] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: Sure thing, but it's failing to represent it here. I'm feeling left out now...
[15:40] <blotto> there really is not much of a market in data destruction. yet.
[15:41] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i just have to use gutsy kernel to use internet
[15:41] <Gnimsh> So you're saying that you do not have this problem
[15:41] <bazhang> blotto: do you have an actual computer support issue?
[15:41] <PriceChild> murlidhar: gutsy kernel on a hardy install, so does the interface get shown in ifconfig on hardy?
[15:41] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: Of course
[15:41] <PriceChild> blotto: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:41] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: edge is online.  ish.
[15:41] <blotto> my internet is not working with hardy kernel.. but with gutys kernel it works fine
[15:42] <PriceChild> blotto: could you pastebin lsb_release -a please?
[15:42] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: doubt these people have access to edge :/
[15:42] <Gnimsh> vadi, could you run skype and youtube and rhythmbox all at the same time and see what happens?
[15:42] <murlidhar> PriceChild, i didn't check but network manager on the panel shows settings  there
[15:42] <Gnimsh> set pulseaudio as your default
[15:42] <bazhang> blotto: that sounds like someone else's issue
[15:43] <murlidhar> PriceChild, blotto is is a bot he is just repeating what i said and what other say
[15:43] <murlidhar> blotto is a mad bot
[15:43] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: I don't have skype, but youtube and rhythmbox do work at the same time along with mumble. I'm not sure what's my default sound thing is though (I just left it as it is, because it's workign)
[15:44] <Gnimsh> well could you look at least? system>pref>sound
[15:44] <bazhang> Gnimsh: would not skype cut those others off so that you could hear the call? that would make the most sense
[15:45] <Gnimsh> it didn't...I tried to make a call this morning and I heard the ringing and then it went silent halfway through
[15:45] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: Which category am i looking at
[15:45] <PriceChild> skype doesn't play nice with pulseaudio.....
[15:45] <Gnimsh> I could neither hear the other person or be heard
[15:45] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: it says "autodetect" for all of them
[15:45] <Gnimsh> ok
[15:45] <PriceChild> that's not a problem with it being 2 apps at once... it just doesn't play nice
[15:45] <Vadi> ﻿Gnimsh: and ALSA for sound capture.
[15:45] <Gnimsh> maybe I shall try that
[15:46] <Widget> Hardy heron comes with kde4 too doesn't it ?
[15:46] <Widget> or is it only gnome
[15:46] <PriceChild> and if you start skype first, it'll grab alsa, preventing pulseaudio doing its thing for other apps
[15:46] <bazhang> Widget: the non lts
[15:46] <kahrytan> Widget->  not exactly
[15:47] <topyli> Widget: there's kubuntu with kde3 and a separate kde4 version afaik
[15:47] <kahrytan> Widget-> kubuntu has two cds .. kde 4 and 3.5
[15:47] <Gnimsh> hrm.
[15:47] <Gnimsh> right now skype isn't even turned on
[15:47] <Gnimsh> and twinkle can't connect to alsa devices
[15:47] <kahrytan> kde3 and kd4 two separate cds
[15:47] <Gnimsh> and...
[15:47] <Gnimsh> I found npviewer.bin is still running even though I have no flash videos open.
[15:47] <Widget> ah k
[15:48] <PriceChild> Gnimsh: close firefox
[15:48] <Gnimsh> and it works after I kill npviewer
[15:49] <Gnimsh> I understand why you want me to close firefox but really, why should I have to stop browsing just to take a phone call? or get some other audio application to work
[15:50] <PriceChild> pretty sure because you've broken something
[15:50] <Gnimsh> no, I said it worked after closing npviwer
[15:50] <Gnimsh> viewer*
[15:50] <Gnimsh> If I did, what kind of thing could it have been?
[15:52] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: he plugged the radeon in and disabled intel in bios, and says resolution is better. What now?
[15:55] <Gnimsh> http://www.everything2.com/e2node/Software%2520mixing%2520under%2520Linux
[15:55] <Gnimsh> I just did that, and I think it worked
[15:56] <Gnimsh> skype and twinkle all work while music is playing
[15:57] <Gnimsh> can't get audio from a video file while music's playing, but when would I ever really wanna do that anyway...
[15:57] <bazhang> Gnimsh: so sticking with linux after all?
[15:58] <Gnimsh> well, we'll see if it sticks when I restart
[15:58] <Gnimsh> some times that kind of thing is tricky, in my experience
[15:58] <Gnimsh> I would much rather stay with linux than windows at this point
[15:58] <Gnimsh> I tried reinstalling it the other day, was told my "my music" folder was corrupt...there was only the example folder in it
[15:58] <Gnimsh> and then the task manager was corrupt
[15:58] <Gnimsh> and I love not having to install drivers
[15:59] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: what is npviewer.bin?
[15:59] <Gnimsh> that was the reason I switched back in January again was because I didn't have the right drivers for XP for my laptop, since it was only bundled with vista.
[15:59] <Gnimsh> flash player
[15:59] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: Now he needs to make sure that the drivers and modules are installed for his card so he can get 3d acceleration.
[16:00] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: oh right, thanks
[16:00] <Gnimsh> _Lucretia_,  if you've ever noticed after playing a flash video or something and your system starts to hang after you close it, its almost always npviwer
[16:00] <Gnimsh> +e
[16:00] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: not everything hangs, just FF
[16:01] <Gnimsh> ok I need to go for a walk, its warm outside and cold inside
[16:01] <bazhang> why bother with that? just get youtube-dl
[16:01] <mRSerii> someine use zen kernel?
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: well, that's not true, flash just doesn't work with multiplt copies, so I end up killing them
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: I meant that FF hangs with JS
[16:01] <mRSerii> someone*
[16:01] <Gnimsh> _Lucretia_ have you used swiftweasel?
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> in the last version...
[16:01] <Gnimsh> ya.
[16:01] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: nope, what's that?
[16:02] <Gnimsh> For me, if I have too many tabs open, flash just crashes and all my videos will disappear
[16:02] <Gnimsh> its an optimized build of iceweasel, the opensource version of firefox
[16:02] <Gnimsh> there a few different versons for AMD 64/Pentium core 2 duo, Pentium IV, other processors, etc
[16:02] <Gnimsh> uses a lot less resources than firefox, but all the features
[16:03] <Gnimsh> but I only use firefox in linux because it works better than opera
[16:03] <Gnimsh> I miss my wand
[16:03] <lubosz> hi
[16:03] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: o i c. if I get the same problem with 3 beta 5, I'll try it
[16:03] <lubosz> since rc1 flash and vlc cant have sound together
[16:03] <lubosz> or firefox and vlc
[16:03] <Gnimsh> ah
[16:04] <Gnimsh> lucretia, there's also swiftdove, which is the same thing but for thunderbird.
[16:05] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: How can he do that? it's a radeon 9200
[16:05] <_Lucretia_> anyone know about the gnat stuff in ubu?
[16:05] <Gnimsh> gnat or gnash?
[16:05] <_Lucretia_> Ada
[16:05] <Gnimsh> not I
[16:05] <Gnimsh> ok I'm gonna go now
[16:06] <Gnimsh> I wanna get outside while its still nice
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> I want to install other packages like asis and aunit, but they're only compiled for use with gnat-4.1, can they be recompiled for 4.2 or should I just stick with 4.1 for now?
[16:06] <Gnimsh> thanks for the help everyone
[16:06] <Gnimsh> *idles*
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> Gnimsh: ta
[16:06] <Gnimsh> baba
[16:06] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i play realplayer files ?
[16:06] <_Lucretia_> pvandewyngaerde: mplayer
[16:06] <Gnimsh> there's also a realplayer for linux, but 1) I despise realplayer and 2) I downloaded it and couldn't figure out how it works.
[16:07] <kahrytan> Wheres the best place for feature suggestion for future development?
[16:08] <djdarkman> hello, am I`m de only one who has problem with wine after upgradeing?
[16:08] <kahrytan> Suggestion would be a seemeless transition between Usplash->GDM-Gnome Desktop
[16:08] <kahrytan> djdarkman->  I reinstalled :)
[16:08] <djdarkman> and does wine work for you?
[16:09] <kahrytan> yeah
[16:09] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: System->Administration->Hardware Drivers.  Drivers for the radeon should be listed there.  I'll dig up a howto online in case it isn't.
[16:09] <djdarkman> I upgradeed and it doesn`t want to creat the wine prefix
[16:09] <kahrytan> It's related to upgrades then
[16:09] <kahrytan> djdarkman->  never did that
[16:09] <djdarkman> kahrytan: you did, you just didn`t know
[16:10] <djdarkman> wine prefix ~ fake windows drive
[16:10] <kahrytan> utorrent works fine
[16:10] <djdarkman> hmmm
[16:10] <djdarkman> then probalbly it`s upgrade related
[16:10] <sharperguy> sigh, how come the sound support in hardy is worse than in gutsy?
[16:10] <sharperguy> I thought pusleaudio was supposed to fix all that
[16:10] <kahrytan> Gnome 2.22?
[16:11] <djdarkman> sharperguy: dekstop?
[16:11] <djdarkman> *desktop
[16:11] <kahrytan> Gnome 2.22 brought some big changes
[16:11] <sharperguy> Well I mean, amarok will only play some times, and other stuff like audacity just doesnt seem to work
[16:11] <fahadsadah> What is the default window manager in the current Hardy RC?
[16:12] <sharperguy> I set amarok to pulse so that should work, right?
[16:12] <_Lucretia_> which is the default toolchain version in hardy? 4.1?
[16:12] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: This looks like a good reference: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4332355&postcount=13
[16:12] <kahrytan> fahadsadah->  Metacity
[16:12] <fahadsadah> Woot!
[16:13] <kahrytan> fahadsadah->  cuz Compiz needs video drivers and thats nonfree
[16:13] <Vadi> zionpsyfer "You have something earlier than a Radeon 9500: Modern Catalyst drivers don't support your card, use the open-source "radeon" driver" okay, we fall into that category
[16:14] <_Lucretia_> zionpsyfer: does the composite extension need to be disabled for radeon now or now?
[16:14] <_Lucretia_> zionpsyfer: my xorg.conf http://phpfi.com/311305
[16:16] <zionpsyfer> _Lucretia_: to be honest, I'm not sure.  I'll check.
[16:16] <Vadi> How can I change the driver that's being used graphically? There was a tool in 7.10 that did that but I can't find it here now
[16:16] <soc> ﻿did someone get pulseaudio working on 8.04?
[16:16] <soc> ﻿ is there maybe a bugreport already?
[16:16] <soc> no sound with pulseaudio running
[16:17] <crimsun> soc: no sound at all, or no sound in Firefox+Flash, or no sound in [..]?
[16:17] <soc> after killall pulseaudio sound works, but only for one application at a time
[16:17] <soc> no sound at all
[16:17] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  in the xorg.conf file, under the device section where the radeon is, the Driver line.
[16:17] <orvokki> soc: For any program?
[16:18] <crimsun> soc: please download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and execute it using bash
[16:18] <_Lucretia_> Vadi: I installed hardy yesterday and it couldn't start X, it tried, then started with a gui driver selctor app, this set up my monitor and everything, but it didn't work properly, so I've had to had fiddle with the config file and I've no idea what that app was either
[16:18] <_Lucretia_> and it's still not quite right
[16:19] <zionpsyfer> Vadi:  Example xorg.conf http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon
[16:20] <daning> Hi, I use ibm x61 laptop. And I install hardy beta. And I update beta to rc. My wireless card don't work well. It works sometimes and don't work sometimes. Do anyone know this problem?
[16:22] <crimsun> daning: yes, that's a known issue with iwl*.  Have you tried installing linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)?
[16:22] <orvokki> crimsun: Btw, does killing off pulseaudio completely disable it and let me use ALSA?
[16:22] <crimsun> orvokki: currently, yes.
[16:22] <orvokki> It isn't going to later on?
[16:22] <soc> orvokki: yes
[16:23] <crimsun> orvokki: I'm investigating the last blocker to make pulseaudio use 'default'.
[16:23] <crimsun> orvokki: there's currently a race condition in the load order of the suspend-on-idle and alsa-source modules that will cause it to fail.
[16:23] <orvokki> crimsun: Is it still possible to disable pulseaudio somehow after that?
[16:23] <daning> crimsun: No.
[16:24] <daning> crimsun: what's $(uname -r) means?
[16:25] <orvokki> crimsun: I've put chmod u-x /etc/init.d/pulseaudio to my system spesifically because PulseAudio doesn't support as high audio quality for my sound card as ALSA.
[16:25] <crimsun> orvokki: it will always be possible to disable pulseaudio, either by unchecking the "Enable software sound mixing" option in GNOME's System> Preferences> Sound, or by removing one or more of pulseaudio & pulseaudio-esound-compat packages, or [..]
[16:25] <orvokki> And run all my sound through ALSA. :)
[16:25] <crimsun> orvokki: we don't use the system-wide initscript by default.  Only Edubuntu does.  We use the per-user GNOME session method via esound compatibility.
[16:25] <orvokki> Oh? I was unaware of that.
[16:26] <crimsun> daning: it's a shell command that means, roughly, "get me the version of the running kernel"
[16:26] <crimsun> daning: i.e., it's a literal command.  You need that precise syntax.
[16:26] <orvokki> crimsun: Hmm, apparently disabling it that way also makes it impossible to run any log in and whatever sounds on Gnome. Whatever, I can take that cost.
[16:27] <daning> crimsun: Thx. I am trying this.
[16:27] <crimsun> orvokki: if "that way" refers to removing either/both pulseaudio or/and pulseaudio-esound-compat, yes.
[16:28] <daning> crimsun: I have installed this. Do I have to reboot my box?
[16:28] <crimsun> daning: that's the most foolproof method, yes.
[16:29] <orvokki> crimsun: "That way" implied unchecking "Enable software sound mixing". Removing the actual pacakges is a bit of a bad choice imo since it also requires removing ubuntu-desktop meta package.
[16:29] <crimsun> daning: be aware that linux-backports-modules contains very new software, and it may not work, even, but it's worth a try.
[16:29] <daning> crimsun: Ok. I'm gonna reboot it. Bless me.
[16:29] <daning> bye
[16:29] <crimsun> orvokki: oh, losing system sounds? Right, that's not that big of a deal.
[16:30] <crimsun> (however, if you need system sounds for a11y, that /would/ be a big deal.)
[16:31] <Roey> hey Daniel :)
[16:31] <Roey> hey all
[16:31] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!!
[16:31] <crimsun> hi
[16:32] <soc> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/990896
[16:33] <Roey> Crimsun, I'm playing Youtube in a KVM guest (on Kubuntu 8.04) but I don't hear sound (note however that I can indeed play a .wav & .mp3 sound in the guest).  I'm using konqueror with flash plugin (non-free) to display youtube
[16:33] <Roey> what could be the issue, ya think?
[16:33] <crimsun> Roey: remove libflashsupport, disable pulseaudio, and try again.
[16:33] <crimsun> soc: sec, phone
[16:35] <soc> how did you get my number?!
[16:37] <thompa> just curious if 64 is working as well as 386?
[16:38] <Roey> crimsun:  http://rafb.net/p/quCyqR83.html  <-- it says it wants to remove amarok too
[16:38] <Roey> thompa:  no youtube
[16:39] <thompa> Roey: thats hard to believe
[16:39] <thompa> i think that is fixable
[16:39] <Roey> thompa:  I don't know if we'll see a working youtube till '10 maybe
[16:39] <thompa> my problem is that 386 is not opening usb devices as it should, while 64 automounts them
[16:39] <Roey> this is *really* holding back GNU/Linux adoption on the consumer level.
[16:40] <thompa> Roey: i think i had youtube working in 64 once
[16:40] <dotech> youtube works here...
[16:40] <crimsun> soc: ok, let's clean up some conffiles first.
[16:40] <crimsun> soc: rm ~/.asoundrc*
[16:40] <thompa> cant remember if it was ubuntu though
[16:40] <dotech> 64-bit
[16:40] <Roey> dotech:  how?
[16:40] <soc> ok
[16:40] <dotech> installed the flash plugin
[16:40] <orvokki> crimsun: Actually that doesn't seem to have worked. PulseAudio still started. :) Oh, well. I suppose I can just remove the packages, install ubuntu-desktop back when the release comes and then remove PulseAudio again after release...
[16:40] <dotech> and it just works
[16:41] <Roey> dotech:  I did too; it doesn't work
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: why are you attempting to remove libpulse0?
[16:41] <thompa> dotech: are you on 64 bit?
[16:41] <Roey> dotech:  i have gnash isntalled too...hmm
[16:41] <dotech> thompa: yes
[16:41] <Roey> crimsun:  I thought it's part of pulseaduio?
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: only libflashsupport (if installed) and pulseaudio (if installed)
[16:41] <crimsun> Roey: no, I meant /those/ specific packages
[16:41] <Roey> ohhhhh ok
[16:41] <Roey> libflashsupport I got rid of
[16:41] <thompa> dotech: is everything working? what about usb devices
[16:41] <Roey> as you said
[16:41] <dotech> Roey: all i did was install hardy, update, open youtube and followed the in-browser plugin thing to add adobe's flash plugin
[16:42] <crimsun> orvokki: what doesn't?
[16:42] <dotech> thompa: what about usb devices?
[16:42] <Roey> dotech:  what's the in-browser plugin thing?
[16:42] <dotech> Roey: firefox has a plugin installer
[16:42] <dotech> you should use that to install flash
[16:42] <orvokki> crimsun: Hmm, unchecked the "Enable software something something", logged in again, pulseaudio was started again.
[16:42] <dotech> thompa: i use a usb audio decoder, it works
[16:42] <thompa> dotech: well i am doing a new install of 64 cause my sound device is not found now anymore and I want to see if walkman wont automount
[16:43] <dotech> thompa: and it was auto-detected without the need for any software
[16:43] <thompa> dotech: walkman wont come up in any 386 on a few computers
[16:43] <Roey> dotech:  oh... you're using firefox
[16:43] <orvokki> crimsun: But really, I suppose it's a non-issue. Maybe I don't need ubuntu-desktop installed besides just after the release.
[16:43] <dotech> Roey: yeah, thats the browser of choice for ubuntu
[16:43] <thompa> dotech: im hoping it still works in 64 after upgrade
[16:43] <Roey> crimsun:  ok, I removed those packages, but now all I have is a gray box
[16:43] <dotech> hardy comes with beta 3b5 now
[16:43] <Roey> (on youtube)
[16:44] <Roey> dotech:  it's so unfortunate that gnome is the default Ubuntu "brand"
[16:44] <dotech> thompa: worst case you can install the 32-bit version of applications
[16:44] <crimsun> orvokki: sorry, that's part of the pulseaudio-module-x11 package that's the culprit.
[16:44] <dotech> i have to do that if i want java to work in firefox, but i haven't done so yet
[16:44] <crimsun> orvokki: (namely, /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio-module-xsmp.desktop)
[16:45] <thompa> dotech: Its wierd, but I think somehow whatever was fixed in 386 broke the usb, 64 hasnt been fixed to break it yet
[16:45] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[16:45] <dotech> thompa: if you run "lsusb" do you see your device?
[16:45] <thompa> dotech: i think the only issue in 64 might be real player. I need that for bbc
[16:46] <adinc> hello when my desktop starts it takes a while untill the desktopis visible it stays black for about a second. this wasnt the case in the past before upgrading, has someone got an idea what this behaviour could caused?
[16:46] <thompa> dotech: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp.
[16:46] <orvokki> crimsun: Marking it unreadable should do the trick, right?
[16:46] <dotech> its possible that 64-bit real player doesn't function correctly
[16:46] <dotech> you could always install the 32-bit version and give it a shot
[16:46] <soc> crimsun: and now?
[16:47] <crimsun> soc: now, let's test ALSA directly:  use multiple invocations of `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' in separate Terminal
[16:47] <crimsun> Terminals*
[16:47] <thompa> dotech: it shows up as only usb in my computer, im moving to 64 anyway so may not waste my time here
[16:47] <thompa> i feel like i need to file a bug report, cause its broke on all 3 machines running 386
[16:47] <crimsun> Roey: is this on x86_64 or ia32?
[16:47] <dotech> thompa: give it a shot, i'm using many usb devices in hardy amd64 with an intel core2 quad, works great so far
[16:48] <Roey> crimsun:  I'm runinng an ia32 guest on x86_64 host
[16:48] <Roey> (8.04 on 8.04)
[16:48] <adinc> and when i move windows the content gets black and is not anymore visible during movement of that window
[16:48] <Zoem> adinc: that is the delay between loging in and starting the current window manager (eg, metacity or compiz)
[16:48] <thompa> dotech: 64 works better which is strange
[16:48] <soc> soc@desktop07:~$ play /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:48] <soc> play soxio: Failed reading `/usr/share/sounds/startup.wav': unknown file type `auto'
[16:48] <crimsun> Roey: ok, can you see what kvm is attempting to use?
[16:48] <Zoem> dunno about black windows
[16:48] <Roey> alsa
[16:48] <adinc> Zoem: but this also happens when login has been done and switching desktops
[16:48] <thompa> dotech: i would have to say right now 386 is broke for me
[16:48] <crimsun> soc: not `play'.  `aplay'.
[16:48] <Roey> crimsun:  this I am positive of
[16:49] <soc> ooops
[16:49] <thompa> of course i can manuualy mount and fstab and all,
[16:49] <crimsun> Roey: ok, is pulseaudio/arts running?
[16:49] <soc> aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:49] <soc> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
[16:49] <soc> aplay: main:546: Fehler beim Öffnen des Audiogerätes: Connection refused
[16:49] <Roey> crimsun:  ah,point.
[16:49] <Roey> lemme chek
[16:49] <Roey> check
[16:49] <crimsun> soc: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[16:49] <dotech> thompa: sounds strange, i haven't had a problem with usb in 64-bit
[16:49] <soc> crimsun: nothing
[16:50] <Roey> crimsun:  yeah, artsd was.  I killed it.
[16:51] <crimsun> soc: ok, and `aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'?
[16:51] <soc> ok
[16:51] <soc> first one worked
[16:51] <soc> second:
[16:51] <soc>  aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[16:51] <soc> aplay: main:546: Fehler beim Öffnen des Audiogerätes: Device or resource busy
[16:51] <crimsun> soc: good.
[16:52] <crimsun> soc: now let's test both with `aplay -Dplug:dmix /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[16:52] <soc> ^mmmh, i'll deactivate the smileysupport ...
[16:53] <soc> ah ok+
[16:53] <soc> ok
[16:53] <soc> both work
[16:53] <crimsun> soc: please rerun the alsa-info.sh script
[16:54] <soc> http://pastebin.ca/990917
[16:55] <sailaway85> Question? My router has a firewall do I need one in linux too
[16:56] <tomd123> no
[16:57] <tomd123> but it depends if you have a good firewall built in or not
[16:57] <tomd123> there could be more features in the linux firewall that you might like
[16:59] <tomd123> sailaway85: if you want to be safer, go with the firewall on linux
[16:59] <savvas> do you know a command that allows me to print only 1,3,5... or 2,4,6,8,... up to number 32 and separate them with a comma character?
[16:59] <sailaway85> Next question: then azureus was running no dl or up's and cpu  when to 40% ... manager showed azureus as the user ... net activity skyrocketed too
[17:00] <crimsun> soc: sorry, you need to rm /etc/asound.conf, too
[17:01] <tomd123> savvas: you mean just to print out the numbers w/ comma and that's it? Look into shell programming
[17:02] <Zoem> savvas: or perl, since that doesn't even merit a complete line
[17:02] <Perun> hmm have a problem with hardy xen and network in a domU... I use the same conf file like for the other domU's (where it works) and have a eth0 iface in hardy domU but if I try dhcpclient or set manually the ip, it doesnt work... I cant ping my other hosts... is there a bug?
[17:02] <dbmoodb> there is a bug i thinks
[17:03] <Perun> so no solution at now?
[17:03] <dbmoodb> wait no .. maybe not just check you are using the correct set up
[17:03] <dbmoodb> !vtun
[17:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vtun - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:03] <dbmoodb> drat
[17:03] <sailaway85> tomd123: azurues was in my router exception table... and its the problem
[17:03] <soc> crimsun: ok
[17:05] <dbmoodb> has the bug with kde 3.5 and compiz been fixed -- it doesn't work with the cube effect for the number of workplaces last time i checked
[17:05] <Perun> thats my config: http://paste.debian.net/1177/ ais with other domU's with same conf there is no problem
[17:07] <dbmoodb> so hardy is where -- a guest or a host ?
[17:07] <tomd123> sailaway85: I'm not familiar with azurues, if you really don't need the net on it then you can put it on the block list.
[17:08] <dbmoodb> lower the number of connections on your router / modem thingy if it cannot handle them and port forward, sometimes turning off firewall features can help
[17:08] <dbmoodb> if you want to torrent that is
[17:09] <Perun> dbmoodb: guest, host is debian etch + xen backports (3.2)
[17:09] <sailaway85> Tomd123:  its a torrent client in the repository:
[17:09] <tomd123> sailaway85: sorry I thought it's a music player
[17:09] <dbmoodb> and i take it other distros / things work on the network ?
[17:09] <tomd123> sailaway85: try dbmoodb's proposal
[17:10] <Perun> dbmoodb: yes, have 3 other domU's here (etch, sid and gutsy)
[17:10] <crimsun> soc: progress?
[17:10] <crimsun> Roey: progress?
[17:10] <dbmoodb> oh wow etch sid and gutsy ?
[17:11] <dbmoodb> and hardy is the only one with the problem this is interesting
[17:11] <bXi> anyone here whom uses firebug?
[17:11] <Perun> dbmoodb: yep
[17:11] <Zoem> sailaway85: if the problem is only with azureus cpu usage, switch to a non-java torrent client. az has a history of cycle eating
[17:11] <crimsun> bXi: not compatible with 3.0b5 last I heard.
[17:11] <Perun> dbmoodb: found something about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/204010
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204010 in xen-3.2 "networking not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:13] <soc> crimsun: 2 times aplay works
[17:13] <adinc> how can i disable the loginsound, in the login options there is no setting for it
[17:13] <dbmoodb> what ?
[17:13] <crimsun> soc: ok, now `pulseaudio -vv&' in a separate Terminal
[17:13] <soc> mhhh, sorry crimsun, guests ,,, have to go
[17:13] <dbmoodb> there should be
[17:13] <soc> ok
[17:13] <dbmoodb> ah ... gdm configuration ? .... (if not just move the sound files elsewhere)
[17:13] <geu> hi I have a problem: Id like to use xen but I get exactly this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/215558  but nobody posted some help, does one of you have an idea?
[17:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215558 in xen-meta "hardy: ubuntu-xen-desktop ist missing xenman and cannot be installed" [Undecided,New]
[17:15] <soc> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/m33e9263e
[17:15] <dbmoodb> well .. i thought hardy had some new xen / virtualisation stuff
[17:15] <dbmoodb> perhaps there is a conflict going on, personally try compiling the kernel from source and ensuring the correct things are ticked ....
[17:15] <dbmoodb> (that is what i would do if all else fails)
[17:16] <geu> dbmoodb that is too much for me Im still a newby
[17:16] <sailaway85> dbmoodb:  Zoom:  tomd123:  thanks
[17:17] <crimsun> soc: now, multiple instances of `paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[17:17] <dbmoodb> sailaway azurues is an ok client but there are some other good ones - lighter ones
[17:17] <geu> I actually wanted to use hardy because I read it would support Convirt
[17:17] <dbmoodb> ktorrent is ok too
[17:17] <savvas> tomd123: well yeah.. tried that, but something's wrong: z=""; x=1; until [[ $x = 32 ]]; do z="$z, $x"; x=$(($x+2)); done; echo $z
[17:18] <soc> crimsun: paplay?!
[17:18] <crimsun> yes, paplay.
[17:18] <mhalcrow_home> Can I install Hardy from a CD?
[17:18] <dbmoodb> yes
[17:18] <dbmoodb> !iso
[17:18] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[17:18] <bazhang> mhalcrow_home: sure
[17:18] <sailaway85> dbmoodb: ktorrent is banned on some private trackers ei:  MT
[17:18] <dbmoodb> ah not that one...
[17:19] <dbmoodb> sailaway85 oh really now and pigs fly
[17:19] <dbmoodb> -- sorry but why ?
[17:19] <py3k-er> hello
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/rc/
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> That only has DVD images.
[17:19] <mhalcrow_home> Is there a CD iso I can grab anywhere?
[17:19] <dbmoodb> ktorrent is a fairly equal client and it used to be bad but it has been fair for quiet some time ...
[17:19] <py3k-er> how can i install gparted in ubuntu hardy?
[17:19] <soc> with paplay i don't hear anything
[17:19] <dbmoodb> yes you can grab an iso
[17:20] <rsk> py3k-er: install it from system> administration> synaptic package manager
[17:20] <py3k-er> ok
[17:20] <py3k-er> rsk thank you
[17:20] <crimsun> soc: did you set the correct sink using pavucontrol?
[17:20] <tomd123> I personally find transmission adequate
[17:20] <crimsun> soc: (install pavucontrol if necessary)
[17:20] <adinc> is anyone using a wireless network eduroam at the university with wicd?
[17:21] <dbmoodb> rofl eduroam i thought that was unique to my uni --- what is it adinc ?
[17:21] <Zoem> deluge works very well for people with more advanced torrent needs, also
[17:21] <tomd123> only wired connection here
[17:21] <py3k-er> i think there's a big bug in ubuntu or i am just mistaking myself...
[17:21] <tomd123> I don't like to use wifi
[17:21] <dbmoodb> py3k-er: that is why i am on lenny atm
[17:22] <tomd123> py3k-er: what is the big bug?
[17:22] <py3k-er> i have a mouse with a scroll-wheel  but this does not work
[17:22] <sailaway85> added kde and when setting up dektop my windows could not be moved or close... what did i do wrong ... used kwin --replace ... but haved solved problem
[17:22] <tomd123> the scroll wheel?
[17:22] <py3k-er> when i want to scroll anything, this does not work
[17:22] <rsk> mhalcrow_home: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[17:23] <py3k-er> yup, the scroll wheel
[17:23] <dbmoodb> nar its fine
[17:23] <geu> is there an howto for installing xen on hardy?
[17:23] <dbmoodb> just need to configure it again maybe...
[17:23] <Zoem> py3k-er: have you tried a different mouse?
[17:23] <dbmoodb> go to system preferences mouse then try under touchpad ?
[17:23] <tomd123> py3k-er: oh, try searching google for problems with your mouse model and see if there are solutions, seems like an easy fix
[17:23] <py3k-er> Zoem i am using this mouse all the timew
[17:23] <dbmoodb> think you said touchpad
[17:24] <soc> crimsun: sink?
[17:24] <py3k-er> i have a regular logitech mouse with the scroll wheel
[17:24] <crimsun> soc: yes, playback/sink
[17:24] <soc> i have playback, output devices and input devices
[17:24] <py3k-er> Logitech RX-300
[17:24] <soc> ok
[17:24] <bazhang> logitech mouse works fine here
[17:24] <soc> "no streams available"
[17:24] <crimsun> soc: you need to play something :-)
[17:24] <dbmoodb> py3k-er: what about with compiz on ...?
[17:25] <tomd123> py3k-er: I have a Logitech LX3, works fine
[17:25] <soc> crimsun: paplay doesn't work
[17:25] <py3k-er> dbmoodb maybe the issue is because i run ubuntu in vmware?
[17:25] <crimsun> soc: "doesn't work"?
[17:25] <Zoe_> py3k-er: I'm using Logitech G5 and it works better now than ever before
[17:26] <dbmoodb> nar should be fine in what ever you use py3k-er
[17:26] <soc> ok, paplay shows up, but no sound
[17:26] <crimsun> soc: while it plays, right-click and choose the correct playback device
[17:27] <mhalcrow_home> rsk: thanks
[17:27] <soc> it uses ALSA PCM on front:0 (AD198x Analog) via DMA
[17:27] <orvokki> Hmm...
[17:28] <atlef> !skype
[17:28] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[17:29] <dbmoodb> !skype
[17:29] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[17:29] <_Lucretia_> what's the difference between videooverlay and opengloverlay? which should I use? thanks
[17:29] <dbmoodb> !evil
[17:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evil - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <dbmoodb> ... just watch aa and skype -- a while back it was going firefox password looking apparently
[17:30] <atlef> ?
[17:30] <dbmoodb> app armour
[17:31] <soc> sorry, closed the window
[17:31] <dbmoodb> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/1312256
[17:31] <soc> crimsun: alsa-utils doesn't get started ... is that normal?
[17:32] <soc> just looked into services
[17:33] <soc> again ...
[17:34] <sparr_> it's gonna be a long day...  http://rafb.net/p/ZAQlHC81.txt
[17:34] <dbmoodb> what now sparr_
[17:34] <dbmoodb> oh that is nothing
[17:34] <sparr_> damn, didn't mean to have two copies in there
[17:34] <dbmoodb> sparr_:  i have removed ubuntu-desktop before and then apt-get installed it (for fun)
[17:35] <dbmoodb> and all the deps of it pretty much (bar what i needed to reinstall from a base system ;) )
[17:35] <sparr_> meh, ive got two (three?) -desktop package sinstalled
[17:36] <Perun> I get this error on boot: "/etc/rcS.d/S07resolvconf: line 48: /etc/resolvconf/run/enable-updates: Read-only file system"... whats the problem? '/' is mounted rw
[17:36] <Roey> crimsun:  on hold
[17:36] <Roey> crimsun:  I didn't do anything past my last message
[17:37] <sparr_> Perun: is / mounted rw at the S07 stage of your init?
[17:37] <Perun> hmm
[17:37] <Perun> how can I fix it?
[17:40] <draginxx> Is anyone else experiencing weird problems with FF3b5in ubuntu 8.04? Like the text being displayed as a huge font for some pages?
[17:40] <sparr_> where can i find a list of ubuntu repository mirrors?
[17:40] <mohbana> is the new ubuntu going to have support for ext4?
[17:42] <soc> mohbana: no ....
[17:42] <soc> ext4 was mostly a 2.6.25 thing ...
[17:45] <_Lucretia_> ok, in the screensaver view (this is with full 3d effects on) if the preview pane renders over the top of the power management window, what does that mean? also the preview pane flickers like mad
[17:49] <crimsun> soc: it's invoked directly from udev.
[17:49] <crimsun> soc: and it's not an ALSA issue (and thus not alsa-utils), because you've already heard it via aplay.
[17:50] <atlef> got skype working on hardy 64bit, yay
[17:51] <atlef> for those of you who are interested : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432295
[17:52] <bullgard4> After upgrading to Hardy Ubuntu looses LAN connection after a while. Restarting the computer will bring up LAN connection again (for a while). nm-applet reports then a hardware address but no IP address. sudo ifdown -a followed by ifup -a does not restore the LAN (and thus the ADSL) connection. How to troubleshoot?
[17:52] <crimsun> bullgard4: which wifi chipset?
[17:53] <ikonia> bullgard4: sounds like a ppoe persitance check, how is your network card connected to the internet, router/modem etc
[17:53] <bullgard4> crimsun: Wifi is irrelevant as it is not operational.
[17:54] <ikonia> bullgard4: this is a wired connection ? how do you connect to the internet
[17:54] <crimsun> bullgard4: sorry, misparsed your statement regarding nm-applet.
[17:54] <bullgard4> ikonia: My LAN interface is connected to an ADSL router 'Fritz!BoxFon'.
[17:54] <bullgard4> ikonia: This is a wired LAN.
[17:55] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, so your card doesn't appear to be able to hold onto it's IP address, if you do a dhclient on the card when it has the problem, do you see it searching for an address / getting one / failing / complaining ?
[17:59] <bullgard4> ikonia: My network card is a DHCP client. --  "sudo dhclient eth0" obtains: "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[18:00] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, so it appears your network card actually "goes away" rather than just lose an address
[18:00] <Clinteger> Hey, everyone! I set up Samba on my laptop running Ubuntu. I have this desktop running XP, and I can see my laptop's samba share from XP but I can't see any workgroups in Ubuntu, therefore I can't see any of the computers, either. What do I need to do to fix this?
[18:01] <bullgard4> ikonia:  "to go away" is no exact description. What do you mean?
[18:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: become unavailable tot he system
[18:02] <ikonia> bullgard4: if the card loses IP address but responds to commands, that in my mind is different to the card not being able to participate on the network at a native level (eg: see the dhcp server)
[18:02] <bullgard4> ikonia: Yes. And please tell me what I have to do to re-establish network connection besides re-booting.
[18:03] <ikonia> bullgard4: What card / model did you say it was again please .
[18:05] <_Lucretia_> how do I get a list of screen modes that my monitor can handle?
[18:05] <ankit> How exactly does Linux audio work... I've googled around and tried to figure it out myself, but I just don't understand it. What exactly is pulseaudio, esd, alsa, oss, etc.?
[18:05] <_Lucretia_> the ones I have were automatically detected, somehow
[18:05] <bullgard4> ikonia: lspci obtains: "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10). Nota bene: It worked all right in Gutsy.
[18:05] <hyperair> hi. supposing i have a wifi card that doesn't support WPA in windows,can i use wpa_supplicant with it on ubuntu?
[18:05] <nemo> ankit: just a bunch of different sound systems people wrote
[18:05] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok, just going to do a little research
[18:05] <ankit> nemo: They can all run at the same time?
[18:05] <nemo> ankit: depends on your card and their capabilities.
[18:06] <ankit> Hmm...
[18:06] <nemo> ankit: a lot of sound system stuff was due to crappy audio cards
[18:06] <mattik> !fglrx
[18:06] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:06] <ankit> nemo: So which one of those is really the "best" if you have a good sound card?
[18:06] <nemo> ankit: a decent sb16 never had issues with hardware mixing, but a crappy intel softchip needed a sound system
[18:07] <hyperair> either way pulseaudio's really good whether your sound card is good or bad
[18:07] <nemo> ankit: for a good sound card, probably doesn't matter much. use whichever one you want that offers the features you want.  esd is not recommended though
[18:07] <nemo> hyperair: was getting to that :)
[18:07] <hyperair> =p
[18:07] <mattik> Hello, what is version of fglrx in Hardy
[18:07] <ankit> why is esd not recommended?
[18:07] <hyperair> latency issues
[18:08] <nemo> hyperair: although for a good sound card he probably won't notice much diff.
[18:08] <nemo> hyperair: pulseaudio offers networked sound support though, right?
[18:08] <hyperair> aside from mixing, esd does nothing
[18:08] <ankit> well I'm using esd with festival for text-to-speech... what should I be using?
[18:08] <hyperair> pulseaudio? =p
[18:08] <hyperair> it supports the esd protocol
[18:08] <ankit> how would I configure festival to use pulseaudio?
[18:08] <hyperair> just switch to pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> doesn't matter..
[18:09] <hyperair> festival will automatically use pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> mattik:  1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.12-16.34
[18:09] <ankit> well when I didn't have a configuration file, festival didn't play anything.
[18:09] <ankit> then I added one for alsa, and that didn't work (device busy)
[18:09] <mattik> hyperair: Thank you very much :)
[18:09] <hyperair> ankit:well if it's configured for esd, then it'll work with pulseaudio
[18:09] <hyperair> mattik: you're welcome
[18:10] <ankit> hyperair: so... esd works... under... pulseaudio?
[18:10] <hyperair> ankit: if i'm not mistaken, anything configured to use esd will be able to use pulseaudio
[18:10] <hyperair> pulseaudio supports the esd protocol
[18:10] <hyperair> but no esd and pulseaudio shouldn't run at the same time
[18:10] <nemo> ankit: device busy? :)
[18:11] <hyperair> apps which are configured to use esd will think that they are using esd, but actually use pulseaudio
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: sounds like your card is crappier than initially reported :-p
[18:11] <hyperair> nemo: agreed
[18:11] <ankit> nemo: well I think it's just not properly configured...
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: nope
[18:11] <nemo> ankit: I mean, yes...
[18:11] <nemo> but even if it wasn't properly configured
[18:11] <hyperair> improper configuration doesn't matter if your sound card is good
[18:11] <nemo> you wouldn't get device busy on a $10 SB16
[18:11] <linas> I've got som many problems with Hardy, I don't know where to begin
[18:11] <TheOriginalRippe> can i remove firefox 3 beta 5 and install 2.0.0.14?
[18:11] <linas> Just about no app works
[18:11] <linas> gnoem terminal is blank
[18:12] <linas> firefox doesn't start.
[18:12] <hyperair> TheOriginalRippe: just install firefox-2 and switch your default browser to that
[18:12] <linas> gnome panel hangs
[18:12] <linas> most apps don't start.
[18:12] <ankit> I get "unable to open slave" when I try and use ALSA
[18:12] <linas> Only knoquereor seems to work.
[18:12] <hyperair> linas: pulseaudio issues imo
[18:12] <khamael> does hardy have better support for webcams than gutsy?
[18:12] <linas> pulseaudio?
[18:12] <hyperair> linas: when pulseaudio hangs, then gnome-terminal and a whole lot of other apps go weird
[18:12] <linas> why would pulseaudio cause gnome panel tocrash, and gnome terminals to not work?
[18:13] <hyperair> god knows
[18:13] <hyperair> probably a bug
[18:13] <linas> ah
[18:13] <hyperair> GNOME sounds perhaps
[18:13] <hyperair> i just know that when my pulseaudio hangs, gnome-terminal is a black screen with no input for me
[18:13] <linas> I suppose maybe I can uninstall it .
[18:13] <nemo> *sigh* I was really really hoping that last kernel update had finally fixed bug #217809 for me :(
[18:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217809
[18:13] <hyperair> linas: you shouldn't. just restart it
[18:13] <nemo> ah well...
[18:14] <linas> Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed
[18:14] <ankit> khamael: in general, I've noticed that Hardy's got better support for most hardware out of the box than Gutsy...
[18:14] <hyperair> linas: are you sure you're using hardyO_o
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> linas: are you running Kubuntu?
[18:14] <linas> I did apt-get dist-upgrade a month ago, and its been a total didster for a month now
[18:14] <khamael> ankit: ok. lets hope
[18:15] <ankit> khamael: what sort of webcam?
[18:15] <linas> no not kubuntu, regular ubuntu
[18:15] <khamael> ankit: microdia
[18:15] <hyperair> linas: try a fresh install. sounds like it screwed up halfway
[18:15] <duncanm> hello
[18:15] <duncanm> is there a way to tell apt to put the downloaded packages somewhere else?
[18:15] <linas> I've done about 2-3 fresh installs, and none help
[18:16] <hyperair> linas: you're also advised _not_ to use apt-get dist-upgrade, but use their upgrade program from update-manager
[18:16] <linas> err .. rather ..
[18:16] <hyperair> what happens with the fresh installs?
[18:16] <linas> what's the correct way to do a fresh install?
[18:16] <hyperair> download a livecd
[18:16] <hyperair> install
[18:17] <linas> I recently did an apt-get install --reinstall on all packages, that didn't do a thing
[18:17] <hyperair> backup your /home
[18:17] <linas> I can't burn CD's
[18:17] <hyperair> blargh
[18:17] <hyperair> that just sucks ><
[18:17] <ankit> khamael: some people seem to have that one working, so you have hope...
[18:17] <linas> I'll ask someone to burn me one I guess...
[18:17] <hyperair> linas: try sudo apt-get --reinstall --purge "*"
[18:18] <hyperair> oh and make sure you've got ubuntu-desktop
[18:18] <hyperair> the package i mean
[18:18] <ang3lo5> hello i have ati driver istalled but my video playback looks kind crapy...any ideas
[18:18] <unimatrix9>  i have seen a really nice theme on an hardy beta version  , wich gives the gnome dropdown menu an colour line on the left of it, does any one know how to achive this, or what theme it could be?
[18:18] <linas> hmmm hyperair, I will try that.
[18:20] <nemo> ang3lo5: "kind crapy" is a bit vague
[18:20] <nemo> ang3lo5: can you improve the specificity of that
[18:20] <hyperair> a screenshot would help lots
[18:20] <ang3lo5> it is not smooth...
[18:21] <hyperair> oh
[18:21] <hyperair> choppy?
[18:21] <hyperair> or tearing?
[18:21] <ang3lo5> yea
[18:21] <hyperair> what video card?
[18:21] <ang3lo5> choppy eaven hd videos...my card is a x800 series
[18:22] <nemo> would kind of expect hd to be more choppy on a wimpier card
[18:22] <nemo> not less :-p
[18:22] <ang3lo5> i tried vlc in order to tweak the preferences but nothing happend
[18:23] <ang3lo5> on win i dont have any problems even with HD videos
[18:23] <ang3lo5> the video its like it runs on lower resoloution
[18:23] <DanaG> Yay, I'm back now.
[18:23] <ang3lo5> ...crapy
[18:24] <DanaG> "   the "Completely Fair Scheduler", a new process scheduler introduced in Linux 2.6.23 that provides improved interactive performance.  " -- bull.   Not without CGROUP!
[18:24] <nemo> ang3lo5: personally I use mplayer - might be interesting to run it from the cli in that, gives bit more feedback, and you can experiment with different video outs as you try to track it down
[18:24] <hyperair> x800 = what brand?
[18:25] <ang3lo5> i tried mplayer...it crashes
[18:25] <hyperair> ati?
[18:25] <hyperair> nvidia?
[18:25] <ang3lo5> x800 gto-MSI
[18:25] <ang3lo5> ati
[18:25] <hyperair> huh
[18:25] <hyperair> O_o
[18:25] <hyperair> what drivers are you using?
[18:25] <hyperair> also try going to gstreamer-properties (in the run dialog) and tweak your video settings
[18:25] <ang3lo5> the fglrx
[18:26] <hyperair> fglrx eh/
[18:26] <hyperair> i'm not sure about that one
[18:26] <hyperair> =\
[18:26] <nemo> mplayer *crashes* ??
[18:26] <nemo> what error does it give?
[18:26] <nemo> WTH
[18:26] <hyperair> could your pastebin your "xvinfo" output?
[18:27] <ang3lo5> im new to linux...im NOOB
[18:27] <ang3lo5> thank u all!!!
[18:28] <nemo> ok. that was odd
[18:28] <linas> hyperair -- apt-get --reinstall --purge "*"   gives me   E: Invalid operation *
[18:30] <hyperair> linas: sorry.. sudo apt-get install --reinstall --purge "*"
[18:30] <linas> the part that I don't get is that I've been running debian unstable on vairous machines for almost a decade, and its been spotless and flaw-free. Buy contrast, In Hardy, basically just about nothing has worked yet.
[18:31] <DanaG> firefox 4.0?
[18:31] <linas> eMaX: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression
[18:31] <DanaG> Now there's a Firefox 4.0 package?
[18:31] <ankit> DanaG: damn, they move fast...
[18:32] <ankit> DanaG: I was still on 2.0.0.13 just a week or two ago...
[18:32] <_Rambaldi_> i certainly hope its better handling firefox
[18:32] <_Rambaldi_> handling flash
[18:32] <mrunagi> what time on the 24th will hardy be released
[18:33] <linas> I can't begin toi imagine how hardy will even be vaguely rready by the 24th
[18:33] <linas> I'd say it has many  many months before its ready
[18:33] <derspankster> I can
[18:33] <mrunagi> whats broken in hardy that it wont be ready linas
[18:33] <duncanm> hmm
[18:33] <fadey> Hi. I've upgraded to hardy RC. On booting I get :ALERT! /dev/sda2 doesn't exist. How do I combat that?
[18:33] <linas> mrunagi -- pretty much everything is broken
[18:34] <linas> it boots, but that's almost it
[18:34] <mrunagi> why are they releasing it then?
[18:34] <derspankster> not much wrong with my install
[18:34] <linas> I can use konqueror, but only if I'm careful not to touch the gnome panel
[18:34] <bazhang> hardy is superb
[18:34] <linas> firefowx doesn't even come up.
[18:34] <linas> gnome panel hangs after 5 minutes
[18:34] <linas> you can't log out
[18:34] <Vadi> How can I restart the pulseaudio sound server?
[18:35] <mrunagi> ill be using kubuntu
[18:35] <derspankster> the only thing I'm lacking is firefox extension that I became used to
[18:35] <rcampbel> linas: you must be doing it wrong
[18:35] <Vadi> ﻿zionpsyfer: We got it sorted out and compiz now works, thanks much
[18:35] <linas> When my wife logs out, I have to ssh-in remotely, and killall -u all of her stuff so she can log in again
[18:35] <_Rambaldi_> linas that its only for you
[18:35] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/129142
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129142 in rss-glx "Really Slick Screensavers use 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]
[18:35] <linas> I can't imagine how its not like that for everybody.
[18:36] <hyperair> linas: like i've said you've messed up your hardy installation big time
[18:36] <derspankster> linas: well, it's not at all
[18:36] <linas> I just can't imagine how it got so messed up.
[18:36] <linas> I've reinstalled a number of times, it seems to get a little worse each time.
[18:36] <bazhang> linas you have done some damage to your own system
[18:36] <rcampbel> linas: sudo vi /etc/... lets you mess stuff up pretty badly on any distro :)
[18:37] <linas> Liek I say, I've been using debian unstable on about 3-5 systems for nearly a decade, and consider myself to be an expert.
[18:37] <derspankster> perhaps you should start over
[18:37] <linas> I just can't begin to imagine what ius messed up
[18:37] <linas> and why reinstalls don't fix it
[18:37] <bazhang> linas ubuntu is not for everyone
[18:37] <mrunagi> are u reinstalling after reformatting?
[18:37] <mrunagi> or just on top of the current install
[18:38] <hyperair> he's just running apt-get --reinstall
[18:38] <hyperair> a fresh install would be best but he doesn't have a disk
[18:38] <ankit> completely random comment for today: LaTeX is sexy.
[18:38] <mrunagi> my god dude....
[18:38] <mrunagi> lol
[18:38] <linas> I've run other version of ubuntu on another 3-5 machines over the last 2-3 years, and those have been flawless
[18:39] <linas> Its just Hardy that is driving me nuts
[18:39] <hyperair> because you didn't bork your installatino through dist-upgrade
[18:39] <mrunagi> and they all have the exact same config?
[18:39] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: Oh, I really hope that bug gets fixed. These screensavers are sexy
[18:39] <hyperair> you should have used update-manager
[18:39] <DanaG> Almost every time I quite Firefox 3.0, it freezes on IOWAIT for a while.
[18:39] <linas> I did update-manager for the first one.
[18:39] <mrunagi> i think you are doing it wrong
[18:39] <bazhang> linas without specific info then there will be no fixes; you have been venting for quite a while now
[18:39] <linas> but its graphical
[18:39] <DanaG> Vadi: quick fix for that: edit /usr/share/applications/screensavers/(each screensaver name).desktop
[18:39] <linas> and I can't update remotely
[18:40] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: And change what?
[18:40] <DanaG> Add the parameters '-x 60 -n'
[18:40] <DanaG> Makes it 60FPS max, and Nice.
[18:40] <linas> so I have the chicken-egg problem: nothing graphical works, so I have to do everything from ssh
[18:40] <hyperair> linas: dist-upgrade has always been weird, especially if you upgrade before the release
[18:41] <linas> I don't know what specific info to give.
[18:41] <zionpsyfer> Vadi: Nice!  Glad you got it working. Wish I'd had been more help.
[18:42] <linas> I don't know how to get out of this jam.
[18:42] <derspankster> linas: expert or not, I think you borked your box somehow
[18:42] <linas> I've been trying for a month.
[18:42] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: With the ' or without?
[18:42] <linas> so How do I un-bork it?
[18:42] <bazhang> linas well you have shared your opinion; no need to repeat it ad nauseam
[18:43] <linas> I'm stumped.
[18:43] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: that didn't quite work, at least previewing still hogs the cpu
[18:45] <linas> I need a "borked" detector.
[18:45] <DanaG> Hmm, try running the screensaver itself.
[18:46] <DanaG> Oh, and without »'« that thing.
[18:46] <ankit> Whoa.... suspend... it... worked.
[18:46] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: What's the command?
[18:46] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: I'm trying it with the "Helios" one
[18:46] <ankit> Suspend worked! Right out of the box! NO WAI.
[18:46] <ankit> h4x.
[18:46] <sailaway85> just added kde and noe the windows cant be moved and cant be resized anyone know how to fix
[18:46] <DanaG> gnome-screensaver-command -a
[18:46] <DanaG> for -activate
[18:46] <sailaway85> noe = now
[18:47] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: It works beautifully but still hogs
[18:47] <Vadi> ﻿sailaway85: Try doing alt+f2 and "metacity --replace"
[18:48] <Vadi> DanaG and my "/usr/share/applications/screensavers/Helios.desktop" file only has this in it: -x 60 -n
[18:48] <philip_> I can't seem to change the panel autohide preferences in gconf-editor (ie hide delay, unhide delay etc). Anyone having this problem?
[18:49] <TATTERS> just installed hardy and my graphics not working how do I reconfigure it to use vesa mode, dpkg-reconfigure is not used anymore is that right?
[18:49] <linas> So ... aside from burning CD's, is there any way to reinstall from a shell command? None of hyperair's apt-get commands seem to be valid
[18:50] <tacone> upgrading for gutsy should I add manually relatime to /etc/fstab ?
[18:50] <DanaG> Odd.
[18:50] <DanaG> DOes it have -r for --root?
[18:50] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: The .desktop file?
[18:50] <DanaG> yeah.
[18:51] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: no, it was completely empty and I just pasted your command in.
[18:51] <DanaG> Aah, try it with one of the others, such as flux.
[18:51] <DanaG> Perhaps Helios is just a cpu hog by nature.
[18:52] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: Can I pick another one, really don't like flux
[18:52] <DanaG> Exec=helios -r
[18:52] <DanaG> Did you put it there?
[18:52] <peter77> ever since I upgraded to heron I have been experiencing problems receiving a LAN TV stream (using the mozilla vlc plugin)
[18:52] <Vadi> ﻿DanaG: where there :(
[18:52] <peter77> I have tried disabling ufw
[18:53] <DanaG> in helios.desktop
[18:54] <linas> How do other people fix borked desktops?
[18:54] <DanaG> Hmm, run gnome-session in console from safe-mode login?
[18:54] <tomd123> reinstall ubuntu as a last resort
[18:55] <tomd123> exactly what DanaG said
[18:55] <linas> I'm at wits end
[18:55] <derspankster> backup /home, reformat, reinstall
[18:55] <Vadi> DanaG: Ok, the .desktop now is "Exec=helios -r -x 60 -n" but same thing
[18:55] <tomd123> linas: have you tried reinstalling it?
[18:56] <linas> Is there a way to reinstall from the command line?
[18:56] <peter77> linas: I agree with derspankster, however if it can be fixed easily without reinstall it maybe worth it depending on how long it would take you to setup a fresh system!
[18:56] <linas> I used to be able to install debian in under an hour, once upon a time.
[18:57] <linas> but I don't know what you mean by "set up a fresh system"
[18:57] <TATTERS> how do I setup graphic card using cli with hardy?
[18:59] <linas> As I say, the part that I don't get is that I've been running Linux for -- what 14 years, and this is the first time ever that I have to do a reinstall to fix a problem
[18:59] <linas> Its mind-boggling.
[19:00] <bullgard4> After upgrading to Hardy Ubuntu looses LAN connection after a while. Restarting the computer will bring up LAN connection again (for a while). nm-applet reports then a hardware address but no IP address. sudo ifdown -a followed by ifup -a does not restore the LAN (and thus the ADSL) connection. How to troubleshoot?
[19:00] <linas> For the last 5 years, I've been doing linux kernel development on high-end powerpc machines, and I never had to reinstall anything there. Yet here, ... I'm  stumped
[19:00] <duncanm> i'd like to upgraded to hardy on my eee pc
[19:00] <duncanm> but i don't have enough diskspace to do the full upgrade
[19:01] <duncanm> it's probably because i don't have things like OpenOffice installed
[19:01] <bullgard4> ikonia: My LAN interface is connected to an ADSL router 'Fritz!BoxFon'.
[19:01] <duncanm> is there a way to do a selective update?
[19:01] <bullgard4> lspci obtains: "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10). Nota bene: It worked all right in Gutsy.
[19:01] <linas> I was lead developer for gnucash for 7 years, and contributed to other gnome projects .. helped found gnome foundation .. and I can't figure out why things have gotten so horridly unstable.
[19:02] <linas> I really just want to stop having to do sysadmin, and I just want things to work
[19:02] <cdm10> I'm having issues with sound... after using flash for  a little while, it dies.
[19:02] <cdm10> How can I restart the sound server?
[19:03] <cdm10> okay, this is weird, gnome-terminal is broken.
[19:03] <ankit> cdm10: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[19:04] <ankit> cdm10: I think.
[19:04] <ikonia> bullgard4: is that the name / make of the router ?
[19:04] <ikonia> bullgard4: the card seems reasonably well supported/stable ?
[19:06] <bullgard4> ikonia: 'Fritz!BoxFon' is a well-established ADSL router. It works all right. I am running at the the time in this LAN another Ubuntu laptop computer.
[19:06] <bullgard4> with Internet connection
[19:07] <ikonia> bullgard4: I'm not aware of the make, hence the question, is the other laptop using the same make/model of nic ?
[19:07] <bullgard4> ikonia: No.
[19:08] <ikonia> ok, so the other computers stability has no relevance in this situation
[19:08] <bullgard4> ikonia: This is correct.
[19:08] <savvas> linas: you're using the release candidate?
[19:09] <linas> savvas yes
[19:09] <savvas> linas: well.. nothing I can say other than to submit the bugs you found :\
[19:09] <linas> I have a friend who owns a CD burner, I think he knows how to use it.  I'll have to visit ...
[19:10] <linas> savvas, my frustration is that I have so many bugs ...
[19:10] <savvas> is it a new machine?
[19:10] <linas> the machine is not yet a year old.
[19:11] <savvas> focus on hardware issues, if any, there are 2-3 alternatives for each software heh
[19:12] <linas> It had gutsy on it, and my 12-year-old kid really really wanted to get the full-featured beryl/compiz  on it, so he could brag at school. So I upgraded to Hardy, and have been in hell ever since.
[19:12] <savvas> nvidia graphics card?
[19:12] <linas> yes nvidia
[19:12] <linas> :-/
[19:13] <savvas> weird, mine works ok, intel core 2 duo e6550 and nvidia 7300gt
[19:13] <savvas> did you set up the xorg.conf with nvidia-settings ?
[19:13] <jason|ca> im trying to install truecrypt (latest) on hardy -- it installed wiht no errors from the .deb i executed chmod u+s per the instructions and now when i try to run it i get the following
[19:13] <linas> Yeah, thats clsoe to what I have. One of the Dell linux boxes
[19:14] <jason|ca> oops - lost i  - it says cant run suid
[19:14] <jason|ca> now waht?
[19:14] <savvas> jason|ca: where did you get that .deb? :)
[19:15] <jason|ca> truecrypt site
[19:15] <philip_> hardware testing still crashes after the mouse question
[19:15] <linas> Hmm. savvas, well, X11 comes up ...
[19:16] <savvas> linas: i know, mine was coming up too, I used "screens and graphics" and my login screen was appearing half-size :P nvidia-settings fixed it though
[19:17] <linas> savvas, so how can I get the system to build me a fresh-clean xorg.conf, .e.g. as if it were a clean install?
[19:17] <savvas> linas: what I mean is that you might have a broken xorg.conf, try this to reset your xorg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:17] <savvas> cool, I'm a mind-reader nowadays :)
[19:18] <jason|ca> savvas: is tehre an issue with the truecrypt deb?
[19:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libflashsupport/+bug/192888
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed]
[19:19] <DanaG> Oh, and argh, I hate how FF3 FREEEEzes on the address bar so often.
[19:20] <savvas> jason|ca: no idea, never tried it, you could ask in their forums: http://www.truecrypt.org/contact.php - it's not supported by ubuntu as far as i can tell
[19:20] <jason|ca> ok --
[19:21] <DanaG> crimsun: just saw the new comment on that bug.
[19:21] <jason|ca> savvas it isntalled fine - heres the error
[19:21] <DanaG> The only issue is now this: does "dmix" with no prefix or suffix use the set-as-default device?
[19:21] <jason|ca> (process:6083): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[19:21] <jason|ca> This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper
[19:21] <jason|ca> program instead. For further details, see:
[19:21] <jason|ca>     http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html
[19:21] <jason|ca> Refusing to initialize GTK+.
[19:21] <savvas> jason|ca: are you using kde or gnome?
[19:21] <jason|ca> gnome
[19:22] <Prefix> lol highlight.
[19:22] <DanaG> That's a really stupid error message.  Process number.... of a process that then dies.... so you can't figure out what the hell process it WAS!
[19:22] <savvas> jason|ca: well.. that's about what I can help you with :)
[19:22] <jason|ca> ok
[19:22] <jason|ca> how do i un-install it again
[19:22] <savvas> truecrypt is not in the official repos unfortunately
[19:23] <sobczyk> hi, I've heard that ubuntu 8.10 will come with pulseaudio by default yet my beta version does not have the package installed, s it a bug?
[19:23] <savvas> jason|ca: sudo apt-get purge truecrypt
[19:23] <gba> Hi there, I want to make a bug report but I don't know how to describe the bug so that the description is useful for the devels. It is a bug regarding the drivers that are installed by "Administration/Hardware Drivers"
[19:23] <upsignal> hello. i just installed ubuntu hardy, and all the updates. then i installed flash player to use with firefox. i have sound on flash, but i can only listen sound from 1 aplication at time! if youtube is playing, i can't listene Emesene sounds
[19:23] <upsignal> i did this: asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[19:24] <upsignal> but it stays the same
[19:24] <jason|ca> savvas
[19:24] <jason|ca> thanks
[19:24] <savvas> n/p :)
[19:24] <linas> savvas, tried that, and the X11 screen resolutin is now low.
[19:24] <kingv> hey guys! does anyone know if 804 will support dell wireless 1505. the one that comes with dell xps 1330
[19:25] <gba> can someone help me to word the bug report right?
[19:25] <linas> savvas -- nvidia-settings doesn't seem to be a command-line command -- is there supposed to be some nvidia config tool, GUI or otherwise?
[19:25] <savvas> upsignal: are they both using flash? maybe you must enable "software sound mixing" from: system > preferences > sound > sounds
[19:26] <savvas> linas: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[19:26] <savvas> linas: didn't the command line guide you to install it?
[19:27] <gba> anyone?
[19:27] <Black_Magic> has the error between cupsd and SElinux been solved
[19:27] <Black_Magic> im getting it
[19:28] <Black_Magic> the same one from: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/195661
[19:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195661 in cupsys "[hardy alpha 5] package cupsys 1.3.5-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]
[19:28] <Black_Magic> but i have latest hardy updates
[19:28] <crimsun> DanaG: no.  It uses the predefined dmix & dsnoop definitions
[19:28] <savvas> gba: what brand/model?
[19:28] <derspankster> savvas: of course, it should
[19:28] <Black_Magic> all this fuss with cupsys started again when i tried to install kubuntu-desktop
[19:28] <DanaG> Hmm, sounds like another hard-to-solve issue.
[19:28] <savvas> derspankster: eh?
[19:29] <DanaG> If you use just plain 'dmix' -- what's to make it use the right audio device?
[19:29] <crimsun> DanaG: thus, there's no cycle.  Even with pcm pulse plugin defined as default, it looks like:  someALSAapp->pcm pulse plug->PulseAudio->dmix
[19:29] <upsignal> savvas sound mixing is already enabled
[19:29] <gba> savvas, nvidia
[19:29] <derspankster> savvas: sorry, responding to nvidia-settings in terminal
[19:29] <savvas> upsignal: try close firefox, log  out and log in again, maybe the flash player crashed or something :)
[19:29] <savvas> gba: nvidia wireless 1505 ?
[19:30] <DanaG> Perhaps it'd be good to have a UI for blacklisting specific audio drivers.  FOr example, if I had onboard and audigy2, and never used onboard, you could just blacklist the onboard.
[19:30] <savvas> gba: woops, wrong user :)
[19:30] <Clinteger> Hello, everyone! I'm using samba on my Ubuntu linux laptop, and the server portion seems to be working correctly. I have a desktop running Windows XP, and I can see the shares of my linux laptop. However, I can't see any shares from my laptop, so I can't access the windows shares. It's odd to me that it only works one way, because I can see the desktop's shares from the other Windows PCs.
[19:30] <xtknight> Black_Magic, i guess they didn't like bug 219836
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219836 in nautilus "can no longer set volume label of hal drive through nautilus" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219836
[19:30] <gba> savvas, wireless graphic card ? o_O
[19:30] <upsignal> savvas, the flash player works fine. the problem is, i can't listen anything else when he's playing
[19:30] <savvas> sowwy heh
[19:30] <xtknight> 'wont fix' for hardy
[19:30] <xtknight> but apparently it never worked in gutsy
[19:31] <Black_Magic> so could anyone help me?
[19:31] <Black_Magic> xtknight: :/
[19:31] <engwar> hi, i couldn't find an answer o my problem in the forums. My sound output stutters once in a while, even when i select alsa as default output instead of pulseaudio
[19:31] <Black_Magic> i coulda sworn it worked...
[19:31] <crimsun> DanaG: that's unofficially part of the plan
[19:31] <savvas> upsignal: no idea, try filing a bug
[19:31] <DanaG> Or another way would be to make hda and ac97 drivers respect "disabled in BIOS" state.
[19:31] <DanaG> Many people already do that as a normal part of installing addin sound cards.
[19:32] <crimsun> DanaG: well, the respect part is a Linux issue
[19:32] <xtknight> i thought disabling in bios prevented it from being advertised over the pci config space
[19:32] <gba> savvas, what is the command that gives me the model of the graphic card so that i can answer your question?
[19:32] <crimsun> DanaG: however, you'd need both a blacklist entry and bios tweaking
[19:32] <upsignal> well, theres som much people using hardy already, i can't believe it's a bug. i can only play sound from one application at time. someone has to know how to fix this
[19:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out my "can't boot when TPM is disabled" issue:
[19:32] <savvas> gba: that question was for another user :) sorry
[19:32] <Clinteger> anyone know?
[19:32] <savvas> gba: but lspci should give you the output
[19:32] <DanaG> my dsdt changes based on whether TPM is disabled or enabled.  I was overriding my dsdt in initramfs.... with one from TPM enabled.
[19:33] <Black_Magic> Uhm this comes in dmesg when getting errors from apt-get or dpkg:http://pastebin.com/f745f3276
[19:33]  * savvas away - urgent call
[19:34] <pixelmonkey> has anyone gotten VMWare Workstation or Player to work with hardy?  I can't get the vmmon module to compile against the 2.6.24 kernel.
[19:34] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, yeah youll have to google on this one
[19:35] <linas> savvas, no the command-line did not suggest it. But .. wonder-of-wonders -- rebuilding the xorg.conf file fixed many (most?) of the desktop bugs!
[19:35] <edugonch> Hello I have a problem with my usb memory key, the system is mounting it like readonly..... how can I change this?
[19:35] <gba> Okay, next try: Is here someone who can help me to write a bug report regarding the driver(s) which get installed by the tool "Hardware Drivers" ? My graphic card is a nvidia NV18 [GeForce 4 MX400].
[19:35] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I already tried the vmware-any-any 116 update, but that gives me an error when running the VM
[19:35] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, which error?
[19:35] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, cannot connect to peer process?
[19:35] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, no, it's something like vmmon module is unexpected version, expected 167.0 but got 137.0.
[19:35] <xtknight> hmmm
[19:36] <xtknight> strange.
[19:36] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, did you use any-any 116 or 115?
[19:36] <xtknight> ive never seen that before and ive seen all the errors on hardy/vmware under the sun :p
[19:36] <xtknight> 116
[19:36] <savvas> linas: if you upgraded from gutsy to hardy, you could consider doing a clean install in order to get everything working ok :) I keep my /home in a separate partition, so it's easier to keep configuration of applications by simply formatting just the root / partition :)
[19:36] <DanaG> What about state of installed apps?
[19:36] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, i386 ubuntu?
[19:36] <DanaG> You'd have to remember every app you'd ever installed.
[19:36] <DanaG> aptitude-create-state-bundle ?
[19:37] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, yes
[19:37] <xtknight> i've got x86_64
[19:37] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, ah, okay...
[19:37] <xtknight> dont know if that makes a diff
[19:37] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, have you tried vmware-uninstall and vmware-install again
[19:37] <DanaG> OOh, at least dmixing doesn't break latency measurement.
[19:38] <gba> Can someone at least tell me where I can get help to write my bug report?
[19:38] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I'm giving that a try right now
[19:38] <DanaG> Oh wait, it does sound a bit odd, actually.
[19:38] <xtknight> gba, just write what you think is appropriate and people will request detaeils if they need them
[19:38] <xtknight> gba, write something initial and ill give you a suggestion so you can edit it, if you want.  and ill triage it
[19:39] <gba> xtknight, okay
[19:39] <DanaG> Okay, it seems dmix does add some latency ... enough to make it sound echo-ey.
[19:39] <DanaG> You'd have to dmix ALL devices to overcome that.
[19:40] <engwar> anyone experiencing stutter in audio output?
[19:40] <xtknight> so if pulseaudio is running but im using alsa audio output, it's not using pulseaudio is it?
[19:40] <jaffarkelshac> i find my videos when fullscreen very blocky especially when horizontally panning, any suggestions
[19:41] <xtknight> i dont get the point of installing pulseaudio when nothing chooses it by default?
[19:41] <DanaG> Yeah... and incomplete inclusion seems worse than no inclusion, to me.
[19:41] <DanaG> s/and/an/
[19:42] <xtknight> there's not even a  hardy control panel to take control of any of the "features"
[19:42] <DanaG> Argh, I get audio freeze for 500ms or so when I close my laptop lid.
[19:42] <xtknight> i think that shoulda just been kept to the multimedia verison of ubuntu if you ask me
[19:42] <bullgard4> Did the version of the 8139cp and 8139too modules change at the Hardy upgrade?
[19:43] <DanaG> 8139cp and 8139too?  What kind of naming is that?
[19:43] <bullgard4> This are module names.
[19:44] <DanaG> What I mean is, those names seems silly to me.
[19:44] <gba> xtknight, The bug: After installing the nvidia driver(s) with the automatic installation tool of Hardy and rebooting many applications of the "Applications" menu only open up with a white rectangle where no window border and no application menu is visible. Also it is not possible to kill this application. The shutdown menu - which you get by clicking the right top icon - also shows only a white rectangle. Only with going to the console it is po
[19:44] <gba> ssible to use the PC after installing the driver(s).
[19:44] <bullgard4> DanaG: But this entirely due to you.
[19:44] <DanaG> I didn't name them.
[19:44] <DanaG> 8139cp:  RealTek RTL-8139C+ series 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver
[19:44] <DanaG> 8139too:  RealTek RTL-8139 Fast Ethernet driver
[19:45] <bullgard4> DanaG: yes.
[19:45] <DanaG> aah, Realtek named things badly, then.
[19:45] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I think I figured it out -- the vmmon getversion.pl script was returning the wrong version of VMWare workstaiton for me, I think I can override it with an env variable
[19:45] <xtknight> gba, can you link the bug # please ?
[19:45] <DanaG> The "C+" is the difference.
[19:45] <xtknight> after submission
[19:45] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, weird
[19:45] <gba> xtknight, Aaaaarrrrrggghhhhh
[19:45] <gba> >:-|
[19:45] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, for some reason, that script is claiming I have VMWare workstaiton 4.0 installed
[19:45] <xtknight> gba, ?
[19:45] <fadey> Hi. I've upgraded to hardy RC. On booting I get :ALERT! /dev/sda2 doesn't exist. How do I combat that?
[19:46] <gba> I didn't open a bug because I first want to "learn" here how to write one "useful" report
[19:46] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, yep, it works now -- amazing! :-)
[19:46] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, do you know of any location for community documentation on VMware and Ubuntu, I figure I should share this in case others run into it.
[19:46] <Black_Magic> Could anyone help me im having problems with Cupsys
[19:47] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, it would be a great idea to make a page on the ubuntu wiki for vmware if there isnt already one, or add to that
[19:47] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, I'll search around
[19:47] <xtknight> gba, ok so from what i get, you use Hardware Drivers aka. jockey-gtk (please mention this) and after doing so, you logout.  then after that, compiz gets enabled probably and then this probably causes your weidr white rectangles
[19:47] <gba> I dn't know what data to include : Do you want the kernel version, do you want the hardware model, or something totally other. Is it even useful to report this bug. Or will it with a big chance "slapped" will not fixed and closed.
[19:47] <xtknight> nobody will just close your bug
[19:48] <bullgard4> DanaG: Caveat, you lordship: Not Realtek but Jeff Garzik.
[19:48] <bullgard4> your
[19:48] <DanaG> Huh?
[19:48] <DanaG> Look at the CHIP names.
[19:48] <DanaG> 8139C+
[19:48] <DanaG> 8139
[19:48] <DanaG> Realtek did that.
[19:48] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, hmm, interesting -- this page here (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Workstation) says that 115 should work with 2.6.24
[19:48] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, oh maybe
[19:48] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, i think 116 is for 2.6.25?
[19:48] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, possible, and maybe the version bug only affects 116...
[19:49] <xtknight> i got vmware to run on 2.6.25 with a giant tug of war
[19:49] <xtknight> but not worth it
[19:49] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, is hardy sticking with 2.6.24 or upgrading to 2.6.25 at some point?
[19:49] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, they are sticking with 2.6.24
[19:49] <gba> xtknight, should I include screenshots in the bug report?
[19:49] <xtknight> gba, yes
[19:49] <xtknight> gba, that would be helpful
[19:50] <xtknight> gba, thing is, it's just easier for to submit it now and add that stuff later.  bug reporting is really a progressive thing.  so i'd want to take a look at your bug while i still have the time and add info that i can
[19:50] <pixelmonkey> xtknight, okay, good.  Kernel upgrades are a nightmare.  Now I only have one issue that I have to figure out -- hibernate.  It looks like suspend works on my laptop in hardy (which is awesome, never worked in feisty), but although hibernate works on shutdown, when I boot back up it doesn't restore from disk.  I'm gonna explore a bit.
[19:50] <simion314> for me gnash do not plays youtube or google video, on the gnash web site it sais that it is posible. are the packages old or i am missing something?
[19:50] <xtknight> pixelmonkey, ah those have never worked for me
[19:50] <gba> xtknight, I will try
[19:51] <gba> bye
[19:52] <Black_Magic> Hello, Could someone Please help with my cupsys thing i cannot install anything without getting again ive even tried purging it...
[19:53] <xtknight> Black_Magic, so you can't successfully purge this?
[19:53] <Black_Magic> xtknight: i purge it and try continuing installing kubuntu-desktop but it then reinstalls it
[19:53] <Black_Magic> also it doesnt remove something in the cups ssl dir
[19:53] <xtknight>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/cupsd: Permission denied (Permission denied)
[19:53] <Black_Magic> but those are just links
[19:53] <xtknight> you get that?
[19:53] <Black_Magic> Yep
[19:54] <Black_Magic>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                  start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/sbin/cupsd: Permission denied (Permission denied)
[19:54] <xtknight> disable selinux and reboot/
[19:54] <Black_Magic> idk how :/
[19:54] <xtknight> shouldnt be enabled by default. hmm
[19:54] <xtknight> sudo setenforce 0
[19:55] <xtknight> if that doesnt work then ur problem is sometihng else
[19:55] <Black_Magic> also i pasted a pastebin link of what dmesg shows
[19:55] <Black_Magic> after trying to procces cups
[19:55] <Black_Magic> xtknight what does setenforce do?
[19:55] <xtknight> turns off selinux with 0
[19:56] <DanaG> crimsun: I just had an idea of how to dmix all devices:
[19:56] <BluesKaj> any reports about the 64Bit hardy being more flexible options-wise than previous releases ?
[19:56] <xtknight> Black_Magic, it looks specifically like your problem is selinux but ive never used selinux personally.  do you recall enabling this or something
[19:56] <DanaG> Have default.pa use dmix:0 dmix:1 dmix:2  up to, say, 5, in a .nofail
[19:56] <Black_Magic> xtknight: Nope
[19:56] <Black_Magic> i remeber seeing something about selinux in my menu.lst...
[19:57] <xtknight> sudo apt-get install selinux-utils
[19:57] <xtknight> maybe it is installed by default  dunno
[19:57] <xtknight> after that type "getenforce" and tell me what you see
[19:57] <Black_Magic> You are verry helpful
[19:57] <Black_Magic> whoah the install is continuing >.>
[19:57] <Black_Magic> second....
[19:58] <Black_Magic> sometimes apt logs the cookies out of my pocket...
[19:58] <magnus|msc> does anyone know, whether the 2.6.24 is now working on the ps3 ??
[19:58] <Black_Magic> Permissive
[19:58] <xtknight> Black_Magic, mine's disabled
[19:59] <xtknight> Black_Magic,  well "sudo setenforce 0" and then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[19:59] <BluesKaj> Is it worth installing Hardy 64bit ?
[19:59] <Black_Magic> it continued but i still got an error about app-armour
[19:59] <Black_Magic> but eveyrthing else started going again
[19:59] <xtknight> pastebin?
[20:00] <Black_Magic> Unable to find apparmor_parser, installation problem?: Failed.
[20:00] <Black_Magic> invoke-rc.d: initscript apparmor, action "force-reload" failed.
[20:00] <Black_Magic>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ OK ]
[20:00] <derspankster> BluesKaj: unless you have 4 gig of ram, probably not
[20:00] <Black_Magic> and then it continues
[20:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: can you please check what module your kernel is using for that card
[20:01] <ikonia> bullgard4: I've just got access to a machine with I think the same card as you and I'm trying to re-create it
[20:02] <BluesKaj> derspankster, ok , so it's still the same as gutsy in terms of 64bit useability I'll bet
[20:03] <derspankster> BluesKaj from what I can tell, yes
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok thx
[20:06] <xtknight> Black_Magic, oh i dunno
[20:06] <Keule> hi there - on my 8.04RC there is a problem with unmounted devices... when they mounted when i shutdown the comp - the folder will be set to root-rights - so everytime one new folder *-1 is set... can anybody help me?
[20:06] <crimsun> DanaG: nah, that can be done in the source for the hal-aware parts and the alsa parts
[20:06] <Black_Magic> whens the stable release xtknight?
[20:06] <DanaG> But it'd better be an option for the module-hal.
[20:06] <crimsun> DanaG: in the end, however, we should be avoiding dmix; we should fix pulseaudio and libflashsupport
[20:06] <DanaG> Yeah.
[20:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, with the media player app quodlibet:  start pulseaudio. start app.  play something.  stop playing.  kill pulseaudio.  start pulseaudio.  start playback again -- app hangs and needs kill -9.
[20:07] <peter77> I'm having problems viewing a tv stream ever since updating to heron
[20:08] <Keule> peter77: maybe the kernel changed and set the error?
[20:08] <peter77> keule, it opens up the window in firefox just doesn't play the stream
[20:09] <Black_Magic> crimsun: how funny...when installing kubuntu-desktop libflashsupport was the first thing to be removed >.>
[20:09] <jiphex> Hi, I'm having problems with the hardy rc installer, I get an error when the livecd starts "HAL failed to start", and I can't run ubiquity because it complains about not being able to contact HAL
[20:09] <DanaG> Oh, and I'd want to un-dmix my hal module.
[20:09] <peter77> keule, I've tried disabling ufw, no effect
[20:09] <Keule> oh tv-streams from the inet... i see - but i cant help - i thought you ment tv-card
[20:10] <peter77> keule: yeah its over the LAN
[20:11] <crimsun> DanaG: can you reproduce that using gst-launch-0.10 itself with the different sinks?
[20:11] <peter77> however it does display there unavailable screen for a second where the video normally is, however the system is up as I've tried it in windows
[20:11] <peter77> their*
[20:12] <linas> Wow!  savvas recomendation of rebuilding xorg.conf followed by a session with nvidia-settings fixed almost all of the problems! This if fyi for tomd123, peter77, bazhang, derspankster and hyperair  This is like night-and-day -- X11 used to work before, now it works again, except this time, apps work too. Wow!
[20:12] <DanaG> Hmm, how would I do that?
[20:12] <DanaG> The gst-launch.
[20:13] <peter77> linas, lol
[20:13] <linas> One last complaint then -- firefox still won't start.  Is there a firefox error-message file somewhere?
[20:13] <peter77> I think my problem is with firefox 3 though
[20:13] <derspankster> linas: good, I take it you installed nvidia-settings?
[20:13] <Keule> ﻿on my 8.04RC there is a problem with unmounted devices... when they mounted when i shutdown the comp - the folder will be set to root-rights - so everytime one new folder *-1 is set... can anybody help me?
[20:14] <Rawk02> ﻿I am trying to customize my menu Icon but it seems to be going to some odd placeholder icon.  Running 8.04 RC1, could anyone help?
[20:14] <magnus|msc> does anyone know, whether the 2.6.24 is now working on the ps3 ??
[20:15] <crimsun> DanaG: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! alsasink
[20:15] <crimsun> DanaG: (and pulsesink instead of alsasink)
[20:16] <pixelmonkey> has anyone here put together or knows about a tuxonice version of the hardy 2.6.24 kernel in .deb form?
[20:16] <Black_Magic> Ok question is there a way to move the :: to the other side of my Applets?
[20:16] <Black_Magic> usually when i move it it moves the entire applet area
[20:16] <Black_Magic> with the applets in it >.>
[20:16] <DanaG> Hmm, gst-launch doesn't break like quodlibet does.
[20:16] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: nigel tracks hardy, too.  Have you looked at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ ?
[20:17] <dassouki> can i install the the clock that comes with heron on gutsy ?
[20:17] <philip_> I imported an emerald theme, but cannot get it to display. How do I do so?
[20:17] <pixelmonkey> crimsun, very cool.  But has anyone put together a binary for the hardy release from that git tree?
[20:18] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: debs are likely available, but mine aren't
[20:18] <rohan> anyone noticed any package updates in (k)ubuntu after the rc release?
[20:18] <crimsun> (no time lately)
[20:18] <rohan> e.g. last time complete kde was updated, after the rc release
[20:18] <crimsun> rohan: no, only piecemeal ones.
[20:18] <rohan> crimsun: ok, thanks :)
[20:18] <Rawk02> ﻿I am trying to customize my menu Icon but it seems to be going to some odd placeholder icon.  Running 8.04 RC1, could anyone help?
[20:19] <crimsun> Rawk02: ubuntu-artwork: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png
[20:19] <Rawk02> ah ha 48-48, was going to 22
[20:19] <pixelmonkey> with built-in 2.6.24 hibernate, does anyone know if I need to modify the arguments passed to the kernel to include a resume= argument or anything?  Hibernate seems to work fine, but instead of resuming upon reboot, it's just booting from scratch.
[20:20] <rohan> pixelmonkey: resume= is not usually needed
[20:20] <linas> derspankster, yes install nvidia-settings just a while ago.
[20:20] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: resume from suspend-to-disk is broken on a lot of hardware, but I have no idea what portion is regressions from previous, supported Ubuntu releases.
[20:20] <peter77> is it possible to install firefox 2 & 3 side by side>
[20:20] <rohan> pixelmonkey: but you could set the line as resume=/dev/path_to_swap
[20:20] <crimsun> peter77: yes.
[20:21] <peter77> crimsun, how do I go about it without causing conflict?
[20:21] <JediMaster> hey guys, I'm desperately trying to find a firefox PDF reader plugin on AMD64, and I just can't find one, anyone got any ideas?
[20:21] <crimsun> peter77: install firefox-2 and firefox-3.0
[20:21] <DanaG> crimsun: it seems like pause causes problems, but STOP doesn't.
[20:21] <SeveredCross> JediMaster: What's wrong with Evince?
[20:22] <crimsun> DanaG: does quodlibet set the pipeline to NULL like banshee-2 does?
[20:22] <peter77> crimsun, ok so basically just install firefox 2 by synaptic as normal with 3 already installed?
[20:22] <crimsun> peter77: sure, that will suffice
[20:22] <DanaG> I can't tell; how would I debug it?
[20:22] <crimsun> DanaG: you'd need to look in the quodlibet source
[20:22] <DanaG> I'll look.
[20:23] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: Never heard of it, does it work as a plugin in firefox?
[20:23] <SeveredCross> JediMaster: Evince is the default PDF reader for Ubuntu..Why do you need a plugin so desparately? If you have Evince open, it'll just pop up a dialog when you go to open a PDF that says "Open With: Document Viewer" or something similar.
[20:23] <SeveredCross> PDF plugins are just more likely to crash Firefox.
[20:23] <tacone> hello, I read that hardy mounts disks with relatime as default. but I mine are not mounted with relatime in /etc/fstab. Shuold I do that manually ? Or is relatime specified elsewhere ?
[20:24] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: as I need to have a PDF displayed inline in the browser
[20:24] <SeveredCross> You can try installing Acrobat Reader (Package acroread, acroread-mozilla for the plugin), but I'm not sure that's in Hardy yet.
[20:24] <DanaG> Oh, quodlibet is a big python script.
[20:24] <DanaG> It uses pygst.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> JediMaster, try foxit reader http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/desklinux/
[20:24] <SeveredCross> Not quite sure what's a use case when you'd really NEED that, but Acrobat Reader is your best bet.
[20:24] <SeveredCross> BluesKaj: He wants it to display in Firefox.
[20:25] <SeveredCross> INstead of in an external app.
[20:25] <SeveredCross> That page suggests Foxit's reader for Linux doesn't do that.
[20:25] <BluesKaj> oh , nm  ")
[20:25] <jiphex> Yo, any idea why HAL could fail to start in the hardy rc livecd installer?
[20:26] <JediMaster> SeveredCross: It's for a web app that display extra controls above an inline PDF, so it needs to be able to display it inline, and yeah, there's no acroread-mozilla in hardy yet
[20:26] <pixelmonkey> rohan, interestingly, by setting resume=/dev/<my_swap> as you suggested, suspend-to-disk works on my hardware.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> and I was just considering DLing 64 bit Hardy
[20:26] <pixelmonkey> rohan, not sure why it's not getting detected automatically.
[20:26] <JediMaster> BluesKaj: I wouldn't be in this situation if I wasn't using 64 bit Hardy
[20:26] <JediMaster> nm lol
[20:26] <SeveredCross> Eh, why would it be detected automatically?
[20:26] <SeveredCross> The resume partition that is.
[20:27] <rohan> pixelmonkey: strange! but so much the better :)
[20:27] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, what do you mean?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> The kernel doesn't know where you put your swap...
[20:27] <rohan> SeveredCross: because it always is?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> I think that's just some Ubuntu magic.
[20:27] <DanaG> The installer should know where swap is, though.
[20:27] <SeveredCross> My Gentoo boxen don't do that.
[20:27] <rohan> SeveredCross: my ubuntu here does it.
[20:27] <Rawk02> crimson sun, still not taking it, recreated the cache and removed the setting from gconf-editor now it is just showing the Ubuntu icon
[20:27] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, uhm... so your suggestion is that a user should edit his menu.lst to get hibernate to work?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> In which case, it's just Ubuntu magic. :-)
[20:27] <rohan> i've got not resume= line, yet hibernate works properly :D
[20:28] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: Nope, just saying that that's a bit of Ubuntu magic that makes that work, not the kernel, at least IMO.
[20:28] <pixelmonkey> rohan, my guess is that it has to do with my setup, anyway -- in feisty I used tuxonice.
[20:28] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, oh, I see.  I wasn't expecting it to be the kernel, but I think it's actually initramfs that's supposed to help there.  Mine was configured with a RESUME=<some_UUID>
[20:28] <SeveredCross> initramfs might be doing it, yes.
[20:29] <SeveredCross> I know on Gentoo, you can compile in a default swap partition, but it's not going to be detected.
[20:29] <pixelmonkey> what's an easy way for me to check the UUID of a disk in /dev?
[20:29] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: vol_id -u I think.
[20:29] <mrunagi> rohan: n=on hardy?
[20:29] <rohan> pixelmonkey: cd /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[20:29] <rohan> mrunagi: i didn't get you.. n=on?
[20:29] <mrunagi> on hardy?
[20:29] <SeveredCross> vol_id --uuid /dev/sd[a-z] works too.
[20:29] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, yea, that did it.
[20:29] <rohan> mrunagi: no, i'm on 7.10 right now
[20:30] <mrunagi> oh ok
[20:30] <mrunagi> im hoping hibernation will work for me on hardy
[20:30] <SeveredCross> Graphics drivers seem to be crucial for hibernation to work fine.
[20:30] <rohan> mrunagi: which system is it?
[20:30] <pixelmonkey> SeveredCross, okay, yea, so this seems to be the problem.  My /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file seems to have the wrong UUID
[20:30] <mrunagi> hp dv6000t
[20:30] <SeveredCross> pixelmonkey: Ah, that would do it.
[20:30] <rohan> mrunagi: have a look here -- http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
[20:30] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I'm on an HP DV2000 and hibernate/suspend work for me...
[20:31] <mrunagi> pixelmonkey: out of the box?
[20:31] <rohan> mrunagi: ubuntu now uses HAL for managing suspend/resume
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I know our hardware are pretty close.  Yes, out of box.
[20:31] <rohan> HAL and pm-utils, that is
[20:31] <mrunagi> it never worked for me
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> mrunagi, I was using tuxonice on prior Ubuntu versions, which worked for me.
[20:31] <mrunagi> what cpu, mobo chipset etc
[20:31] <rohan> pixelmonkey, mrunagi: both of you should check out if your systems are added here -- http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-check.html
[20:31] <xtknight> !hardy | Black_Magic
[20:31] <ubotu> Black_Magic: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:31] <xtknight> 4 days
[20:31] <pixelmonkey> rohan, will do
[20:32] <ankit> I don't know why... but everything works in Hardy that didn't in Gutsy... and there's NO signs anywhere that it's intentional... but yay?
[20:32] <mrunagi> <match key="system.hardware.product" contains=" dv6000 ">?
[20:32] <rohan> ok, dv6000 and dv2000 are both there
[20:32] <rohan> so it should work out of box
[20:32] <pixelmonkey> rohan, wow, dv2000 says it has no quirks :-D
[20:32] <pixelmonkey> rohan, impressive, since this damn laptop has had a lot of quirks, in my experience :-)
[20:33] <rohan> cool ;)
[20:33] <xtknight> i have a dv2000 also
[20:33] <rohan> incidentally, the site is also great if you want to check out other things related to linux and laptops --> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/
[20:34] <mirak> hi
[20:34] <DanaG> crimsun: it seems quodlibet doesn't offer any easy way to debug.
[20:34] <rohan> pixelmonkey: hehe :D
[20:35] <mirak> with gvfs I cannot acces to ~/.gvfs/ the mounts in it are unaccessible to my user, but with fuse they should since they should be run by my user since gnome is ran as my user
[20:35] <Lunar_Lamp> When I insert DVDs into my DVD drive my laptop believes them to be blank CDs.  CDs mount fine however. dmesg shows many errors, of the format shown here: http://pastebin.ca/991164 (briefly, seekcomplete error, lastfailedsense error, failed opcode)
[20:35] <peter77> I've installed firefox 2 and for some reason it isn't recognising the installed vlc plugin??
[20:36] <pixelmonkey> question about initramfs... so if I want to update this with the right UUID for hibernate, all I need to do is edit the file and run update-initramfs -u, right?
[20:36] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: does the same dvd work in windows? on other systems?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: yes
[20:37] <rohan> pixelmonkey: i think you need to set it somewhere first
[20:37] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: it affects all DVDs that I;'ve tried on this system :-)
[20:37] <pixelmonkey> rohan, set it?
[20:37] <pixelmonkey> rohan, set the UUID you mean?  Yea, I think I do that in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[20:37] <rohan> pixelmonkey: yes, i meant that.. you're good to go then
[20:38] <pixelmonkey> gonna give this a shot, we'll see how it goes
[20:38] <philip_> how do I enable emerald themes? (I've installed emerald and imported a theme, but nothing happens)
[20:38] <rohan> pixelmonkey: should work
[20:39] <rohan> pixelmonkey: actually, here that conf file was automatically configured for me - i think the installer does that
[20:39] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: strange.. did it work in 7.10?
[20:39] <pixelmonkey> rohan, right, but I did an upgrade, so maybe it never got touched.
[20:39] <rohan> pixelmonkey: ah, that should explain it
[20:39] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: yes
[20:39] <Rawk02> ok I have replaced distributor-logo.png in 22x22 48x48 and distributor.svg under scalabe, deleted icon theme.cache recreated the cache and restarted gnome-panel...still nothing, the only way I can get a result is to change in gconf-editor but that gives me the placeholder and not the png i want
[20:40] <pixelmonkey> sorry to keep bugging about hibernate/suspend... but one last thing.  There's basically no feedback while suspending/hibernating or resuming.  Is there a way to enable some feedback with the out-of-box suspend/resume, like a progress bar or even basic log output?
[20:40] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: i think you should file a kernel bug.
[20:40] <pixelmonkey> rohan, btw, the initramfs stuff worked -- awesome!
[20:40] <rohan> pixelmonkey: tuxonice can do that, but plain suspend resume using pm-utils, sadly, can't
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> thanks also to SeveredCross
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> rohan, okay, that is a pity.  I'm going to give the built-in suspend/hibernate a try for a few days, and see if it gives any trouble.
[20:41] <pixelmonkey> so far, it's been working.
[20:41] <rohan> pixelmonkey: it should work, seeing that your system is there in the hal list
[20:42] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: hmm, I just tried another random DVD and that worked - I cannot see a pattern as to which work/don't work.
[20:42] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: tried cleaning your head?
[20:42] <rohan> i mean, the head of the cd/dvd drive :-s
[20:42] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: no, it's a laptop slot-loader :-/
[20:43] <rohan> ouch
[20:43] <GNUtoo> hello, there will be selinux in hardy heron...but there is also app-armor...i know that selinux is more secure...but at the policy level which one is better?
[20:43] <rohan> GNUtoo: why do you say selinux is more secure?
[20:44] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: OK. "Amazing Grace" does not work.  "Sunshine" does.  When a disc fails, DMA gets turned off and has to be turned on again. I can't see any difference between teh DVDs though.
[20:44] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to connect to a vpn in hardy rc , pls ?
[20:44] <bullgard4> ikonia: This machine is using the modules 8139cp and 8139too.
[20:44] <GNUtoo> rohan, because there are papers on the comparison between both and selinux apeared to be more secure...but i don't remember the details
[20:44] <anhdepyeu> Hi, I just installed from 8.04-beta "alternate" CD, text-based install, partitioned "Guided, LVM encrypted", and everything went OK, until it reports that it can't install GRUB to /target/ (I retried a couple of times).  The logs (http://pastebin.ca/991170) look to me to show something amiss regarding the grub package.  Could anyone have a look at that log and give me an idea?
[20:45] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: all of them worked out of box in 7.10 right?
[20:45] <ikonia> bullgard4: thank you
[20:45] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: aye, but I haven't used a DVD in a while and have had 8.04 on here for >2months, so I can't be sure it's a HW not SW issue.
[20:45] <bullgard4> ikonia: The trouble refelects in dmesg output.
[20:46] <bullgard4> reflects
[20:46] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: you've got any other os you can test on?
[20:46] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: no :-(
[20:46] <lz1gjd> i tried installing networkmanager-gnome-pptp
[20:46] <lz1gjd> but cant see any vpn setting
[20:46] <zsircusr> .
[20:46] <ikonia>  bullgard4 you have information from dmesg that is worth note ?
[20:46] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: not even windows? :o
[20:47] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: nope, I've been 100% linux for a couple of years now :-/
[20:47] <GNUtoo> does all applications in ubuntu have a policy on both app-armor and selinux?
[20:48] <bullgard4> ikonia: dmesg output includes the lines: "eth0: link up, 100 Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1; NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out; eth0: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 10.; eth0: Tx queue start entry 4 dirty entry 0.; eth0: Tx descriptor 0 is 0008a03c. (queue head); ...; eth0: link up, 100 Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x045E1; ..." This cycle keeps repeating several 100 times.
[20:48] <DShepherd> what version of Openoffice.org is going to be included in hardy heron?
[20:48] <Perun> how I can setup the timezone permanently? (have installed with debootstrap)
[20:49] <rohan> Lunar_Lamp: it's a good thing, except you've got no way of testing right now :(
[20:49] <Lunar_Lamp> rohan: aye
[20:49] <bullgard4> DShepherd: versio 2.4
[20:49] <DShepherd> bullgard4, thanks
[20:49] <ikonia> bullgard4 thats very interesting, the most interesting part is that after the reset the link is brought backup, yet from your comments earlier dhcp cannto be reached. An interesting test would be, once the card is reset in this manner, try assiging an IP address manually and see if it can talk to the network
[20:50] <anhdepyeu> No ideas on http://pastebin.ca/991170 ?
[20:51] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to connect to a vpn in hardy rc , pls ?
[20:51] <bullgard4> ikonia: No, I am not going to do that. Setting an IP address by hand would destroy the dhcp mechanism
[20:51] <Lunar_Lamp> lz1gjd: left click on the network manager icon in the system tray>vpn connections>configure vpn
[20:51] <ikonia> bullgard4: it shouldn't do, you just use ifconfig to set an ip address, after reboot it would go back to dhcp
[20:52] <lz1gjd> i cant see that icon that is the problem
[20:52] <ikonia> bullgard4: as long as you don't touch the itnerface file, nothing is changed on a perm basis
[20:52] <lz1gjd> i have a suggestion to the ubuntu developers, why is the ndiswrapper not on the install cd ?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lamp> lz1gjd: ah, then network manager isn't running for some reason...
[20:52] <ikonia> lz1gjd: because it's not ubuntu software, and it's not up to ubuntu to provide windows driver compatability
[20:52] <lz1gjd> not the driver
[20:52] <ikonia> lz1gjd: I back %150 ndiswrapper being left out of the cd
[20:52] <lz1gjd> only the tool
[20:53] <ikonia> yes so it's not an ubuntu component
[20:53] <lz1gjd> aha, what a pity :( its really confusing trying to set up a connection when you only have a wifi ap to connect to, it would be so much easier, now i have to connect via ethernet just to download thee packages
[20:54] <anhdepyeu> lz1gjd: why do you think you need it?  There are open drivers of one sort or another for many of the chipsets that used to require it.
[20:54] <lz1gjd> anyway
[20:54] <lz1gjd> well in my case the open driver does not work ;(
[20:55] <sielnt_> hey, I'm looking for a package called "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2". Can some one tell me where I might find this package?
[20:55] <ikonia> sielnt_: should be in the dc client
[20:55] <ikonia> sielnt_: although I don't think anything in hardy is linked against glibc2.2
[20:58] <sielnt_> ikonia: it's for an application that needs a library in that package
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: what application, what ubuntu version are you using ?
[20:59] <sielnt_> ikonia: dc client?
[20:59] <sielnt_> ikonia: it's a game emulator plugin, I'm running hardy
[20:59] <broonsparrow> hello. dunno if this is the place to leave fixes as well as bugs, but i've had problems with running 7.10 on an advent laptop - the screen didn't work unless there was a cable plugged into the video out socket, with Haron it seems to work fine - dunno why but it works!
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: thats a gcc package, my mistake
[20:59] <ikonia> sielnt_: I doubt it will work on hardy due to hardy being linked against glibc2.4
[21:00] <sielnt_> ikonia: I'm getting "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[21:00] <ikonia> sielnt_: the file is not there or in the linker cache
[21:00] <ikonia> sielnt_: if your on hardy, mostlikley not there
[21:01] <sielnt_> ikonia: is there any way to get the file? it wouldn't mess with anything else since nothing else uses it right?
[21:01] <ikonia> sielnt_: wrong
[21:01] <Tyczek> am I only one person, which Xv output isn't working on hh (using latest fglrx)
[21:01] <ikonia> sielnt_: it's a compiler library, so your compiler that told to look in that directory would find it
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: as your using a 2.4 glibc anything linked agaisnt it would probably not run any how
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: putting it on your system stand alone may/may not cause problems dependong on how it's setup
[21:02] <sielnt_> wonderful
[21:02] <ikonia> sielnt_: but as your missing the rest of glibc2.2 I doubt you'd have any luck with it
[21:02] <ikonia> (personal opinion)
[21:04] <sielnt_> ikonia: would gutsy work?
[21:04] <filthpig_> hiya, I have an ironic kind of problem: When I partitioned my hdd a few months ago, I wanted / to be small, so that I could dedicate as much space as possible to my /home partition. When I now try to dist-upgrade to hardy, I get a message claiming "not enough space on disk", because the /tmp folder is on the / partition and I only have approx. 1 gb free space there...... is there some way to tell the upgrade tool to use a folder on my /home
[21:04] <ikonia> sielnt_:  I'm %99 certain gutsy is 2.4 too
[21:04] <ikonia> sielnt_: I think 6.10 was the last one with 2.2 stuff in, although I'm not even sure on that
[21:04]  * sielnt_ facepalms
[21:08] <Lunar_Lamp> filthpig_: have you done a "sudo aptitude clean" yet? It deletes all the downloaded packages etc (not uninstalls them, but just deletes the deb files)
[21:08] <Lunar_Lamp> It doesn't affect your system, unless you want to install teh same pacakge without downloading the information again.
[21:08] <nikolam> Hi. I wanted to compile OpenOffice 2.4 from source taken from Hardy, but it seems that *.dsc file is unavailable: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/openoffice.org  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_2.4.0-3ubuntu2.dsc Should I report this as a bug?
[21:09] <pixelmonkey> hey, I'm using an nvidia display card and when I go to System -> Screen Resolution, it says "The X Server does not support XRandR extension." and it can't open.  How do I enable this extension?
[21:09] <askand> Is there any difference between installing from a live cd or from an alternate?
[21:09] <jackster> hey people
[21:10] <Jaymac> askand: from an alternate cd you have the old ncurses installer as opposed to ubiquity
[21:10] <jackster> anyone know how to get vmware-tools to install properly in hardy?
[21:10] <linas> pixelmonkey, try nstalling & runing nvidia-settings -- it fixed a lot of things for me today.
[21:10] <pixelmonkey> linas, ah, okay, let me try that
[21:10] <coz_> askand, well as far as I know the difference is in the procedure and the alternate is used for systems that may have less than 256 megs of memory but   there may be other reasons as well
[21:10] <askand> ﻿Jaymac: is therefore installation different in any way? (beside graphics of course)
[21:11] <icanhas> So does this officially become the ibex channel on the 24th/25th? :D
[21:11] <Jaymac> askand: you don't lose any functionality, no
[21:11] <rohan> icanhas: yes, though not that soon i guess
[21:11] <Zoem> good morning :)
[21:11] <Jaymac> icanhas: probably not for a week or two
[21:11] <rohan> icanhas: people still need to party first :D
[21:11] <jackster> I keep getting messages which indicate that it couldn't properly compile the modules for the likes of file sharing or networking and memory management, and I should make sure I have binutils, gcc and the kernel source even though I have those things installed
[21:11] <Jaymac> askand: the text-installer is more suitable for lower spec hardware
[21:12] <icanhas> WOoo! party!
[21:12] <Zoem> for todays interesting thing: my mouse buttons 6-8 have stopped being recognized
[21:12] <icanhas> Zoem: that's a lot of mouse buttons.
[21:12] <derspankster> that's a lot of buttons
[21:13] <Zoem> icanhas: 1: left click 2: right click 3: middle click 4: scroll down 5: scroll up
[21:13] <askand> ﻿ Jaymac:  I see thanks
[21:13] <Zoem> 6 should be tilt left, 7 tilt right, and 8 side button
[21:13] <Zoem> its actually only 8 I'm worried about
[21:13] <bullgard4> ikonia: It seems that the computer accepted my command "~$sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.178.22" because "~$ip addr" obtains: "eth0: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST, UP, LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 ...; inet 192.168.178.22/24 brd 192.168.178.25 scope global eth0."
[21:13] <icanhas> Zoem: ah, yes correct.
[21:13] <Zoem> since it was working an hour ago, and now it's not
[21:13] <derspankster> I think I'll stick to 3
[21:14] <magnus|msc> is there a known bug, which only detects 88MB of ram ??
[21:14] <Zoem> derspankster: if you have a scroll wheel, you already have more
[21:14] <derspankster> Zoem: true, I do have a scroll wheel
[21:15] <Zoem> so, the question is... why isn't xev reporting my side button?
[21:15] <Zoem> or, does a button need to have mapping in xorg.conf to be recognized in xev?
[21:17] <derspankster> Zoem: it seems to me that you can configure your mouse in xorg but I've never done anything but emulate a 3 button
[21:17] <lz1gjd> i have point to point connection in the gnome network manager is this for VPN ? i'd like to connect through vpn to an edimax ap
[21:18] <lz1gjd> could anyone point me a solution
[21:18] <Zoem> derspankster: the funny thing is... my xorg.conf has changed... it correctly listed my mouse (by model!) before... but after kernel update, and reinstalling video drivers, it has the wrong mouse
[21:18] <Micrll> ok, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get mythTV working
[21:19] <DanaG> Ugh, Azureus draws so glitchily.
[21:20] <pixelmonkey> linas, the issue was that I was running Xgl, for some reason
[21:20] <pixelmonkey> linas, uninstalled xserver-xgl, and all is well again
[21:20] <bullgard4> ikonia: I need to go to bed now.
[21:20] <coz_> guys out of curiosity.. has the ability to disable Recent Documents been implimented in hardy ?
[21:21] <derspankster> Zoem: that's interesting 2.6.24-16 did that?
[21:21] <Zoem> yeah
[21:21] <Zoem> although, i think it may have been nvidia-xconfig 173.08 beta
[21:22] <valehru> Hey guys, I have an Intel 3945ABG wifi card on my laptop, updated from gutsy to hardy, now I cannot scan any new networks but if I know the name of the network I can connect.  What gives?
[21:22] <doofy_> im trying to mount an ftp server in nautlius but im getting Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "/ on____": The file is not a directory
[21:22] <Zoem> ummm...
[21:22] <derspankster> Zoem: I'm actually running Hardy on my laptop and my settings stayed the same
[21:23] <Zoem> is that cause it is an ftp server, doofy_?
[21:23] <Micrll> hey has anyone gotten MythTV working on hardy?
[21:23] <Zoem> derspankster: I have to use proprietary beta drivers from NVidia, which do not properly migrate with kernel change
[21:23] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[21:23] <Zoem> so, bust re-install them each kernel
[21:24] <doofy_> Zoem, it works in my windows VM and with other ftp clients
[21:24] <Zoem> *must
[21:24] <Zoem> nautilus is an ftp client?
[21:24] <Pelo> anyone know what happened to  menu > system > prefs > hardware info  in hardy ?
[21:24] <doofy_> places connect to server
[21:24] <Pelo> Zoem, nautilus is all things to all men
[21:24] <doofy_> i dont know whether it is nautilus or not i suppose
[21:24] <icanhas> Pelo: iz gone mate
[21:24] <Zoem> oh, heh
[21:24] <Zoem> never even saw that there
[21:25] <Pelo> icanhas, any substitute ?
[21:25] <icanhas> Pelo:  we were having the discussion yesterday. there are other options but nothing i found that's preinstalled
[21:25] <Pelo> icanhas, i'm ready to install ,  what do I look for in the repos ?
[21:26] <icanhas> Pelo: someone had a good suggestion for me.. er.. but i don't remmeber it :/
[21:26]  * Pelo notes that the printer manager in admin is gone to , he has no idea how to installl printers now, 
[21:26] <adinc> does someone know if there is a assembler emulator for linux like emu8086
[21:27] <Pelo> adinc, menu > system > admin > synaptic package manager,   search : assembler
[21:27] <adinc> Pelo: and which particular do you mean there?
[21:27] <Pelo> adinc, not realy
[21:28] <adinc> Pelo: dod you try you suggestion yourself?
[21:28] <Zoem> adinc gemu...
[21:28] <Zoem> processor emulator
[21:28] <Pelo> adinc, looking now but i'm not so much knowlegable in that field,  I'm actualy looking for other things
[21:29] <Micrll> pelo: printers I think are under system > admin > printers
[21:29] <adinc> Zoem: gemu? can you please tell me more about it
[21:29] <Zoem> qemu
[21:29] <Pelo> Micrll, did you try it ?
[21:29] <Zoem> it's an emulator for multiple processors
[21:29] <ike_x> adinc: emu8086 runs under wine
[21:29] <Micrll> ya
[21:29] <Micrll> I added my printer
[21:30] <Zoem> does sparc, arm, 68000... some others
[21:30] <Pelo> Micrll, I mean since you upgraded ?
[21:30] <Zoem> oh, ppc, i think
[21:30] <adinc> ike_x: the only problem is the memory map, it uses a strange font and not very well viewable
[21:30] <Micrll> fresh install from yesterday
[21:30] <ike_x> ohh :(
[21:30] <whatnext> Hi, I found under "Places" I can open my other Windows partition to see my files - Is it save to copy some music & picture from the other NTFS partition - Or will it cause problems with my dual boot or anything?
[21:30] <whatnext> files
[21:30] <adinc> Zoem: can qemu also emulate 8086? or later?
[21:30] <Pelo> Micrll, can you open that launcher in  alacarte and tell me what the command is ?
[21:30] <Zoem> adinc: umm... I think so?
[21:31] <Micrll> pelo: have no clue how to do that, this is my first main linux install
[21:31] <Zoem> it says it can
[21:31] <adinc> Zoem: yes it does, thank you very much
[21:31] <Pelo> whatnext, ntfs write is now wholy reliable , I woudln't trust it , in fact I don't
[21:32] <jojo4u> pelo, whatnext, ntfs-3g has proven pretty reliable, afaik
[21:32] <Pelo> Micrll, menu > system > prefs > main menu ,  it's an editor for the menu,   look for the entry for printers under admin, toward the bottom   rigth click to opeen and copy the command for me
[21:32] <Alen> helo i have problem with atheros card on RC i cannot setup it,when i open network settings they not alloved me to edit my wireless preferenc
[21:33] <whatnext> Pelo - Thought so - just as easy to start in Windows and copy files to thumb drive - resart into Hardy then copy em over - thanks for tip.
[21:33] <Pelo> jojo4u, i've had problems with it , I don't do it any more I prefer using a small vfat partiton to transfer stuff , safer
[21:33] <Micrll> ok sure
[21:33] <Pelo> whatnext,  I made a small fat32 partiton accessible from both to do that
[21:34] <Micrll> pelo: usr/bin/system-config-printer
[21:34] <jojo4u> pelo, what were the problems?
[21:34] <Pelo> Micrll, thanks,  mine was still at  gnome-cups-manager
[21:35] <Micrll> pelo, your welcome
[21:35] <Pelo> jojo4u, my ntfs patiton got corrupted and I could no longer boot it , basicaly
[21:35] <Micrll> now I know how to get commands from the main menu
[21:35] <Micrll> ouch
[21:35] <Micrll> so wait is NTFS write enabled by default or only read?
[21:35] <Pelo> only read by default
[21:35] <Micrll> cool
[21:36] <Micrll> when I installed this yesterday at the install fest I debated with some of the guys over writing to NTFS
[21:36] <Micrll> I decided to make a 5gb FAT32 partition to share between linux and windows
[21:36] <Micrll> as a common file repository
[21:36] <whatnext> Pelo: Aw - it's becoming clearer now - I remember now a FAT 32 is easy enough and more linux friendly way of doing this - Great! I have a great little boot cd called Boot-It NG that is real easy to use. Will just make a little 5GB part. or so - should be fine huh?
[21:36] <Pelo> Micrll, it's not a garantied fail , but I had trouble so now I avoid it , I don' tneed to do it all that much anyway
[21:37] <Micrll> oh I understand, I have gotten NTFS writting on my mac working in the past
[21:37] <adinc> Zoem: qemu emulates a machine architecture, i would need an assembler development environment
[21:37] <Micrll> but its buggy
[21:37] <Pelo> whatnext, you can do that with gparted, from inside ubuntu if you can manage to unmount your ntfs partiton
[21:38] <Micrll> If I can read from the partition thats enough, but FAT32 is incase I want to send files to and from
[21:38] <Zoem> ...
[21:38] <Zoem> oh
[21:38] <Zoem> I use the one that came with my textbook... so
[21:38] <whatnext> Pelo: That's ok - the Boot CD I mentioned works real well - if it won't mess up my Lilo or anything - What do think?
[21:38] <latitu_> when i boot, kde is not auto started, i get a black screen. i login  in and type startx. why?
[21:38] <adinc> Zoem: which one
[21:38] <Micrll> still trying to get mythtv working...so far not so good
[21:39] <Zoem> umm, ARM200
[21:39] <Zoem> it's from 1995
[21:39] <Pelo> whatnext, unless the order of your partitions gets changed probabaly not , it didn'T mess anything up in grub then I did it but it wasnT' my boot hdd
[21:40] <Micrll> I did get lucky with my printer though
[21:40] <Micrll> its not directly supported, but another printers driver seems to work for it
[21:40] <Pelo> gnome-device-manager .... thank god
[21:41] <whatnext> Pelo: ummmm - tough call - Have allot of time effort going here with install of Windose 1st - then the Hardy Heron - Have to take step back and decide.
[21:41] <Zoem> hafta restart x, brb
[21:42] <Pelo> whatnext,  try putting the fat32 partiton at the end of a hdd, that way it should not mess with the order and numbers of the OS partitons
[21:42] <latitu_> iam having no sound when i upgraded to hardy
[21:42] <latitu_> iam having no sound when i upgraded to hardy. help?
[21:42] <Micrll> hmm
[21:42] <Micrll> have you tried checking the volume levels for everything
[21:43] <Micrll> that seemed to be my problem
[21:43] <latitu_> Micrll yes . i think
[21:43] <tapas> hmm,  grub doesn't work here on this thinkpad t21
[21:43] <whatnext> Pelo: I think on next install I do - When setting up Windows will do all this 1st. - Setup windows part. 1st then add my FAT 32 before Windows install - THen do the Hardy Heron last.
[21:43] <latitu_> Micrll which vol level for you was wrong?
[21:43] <tapas> grub-install takes like 1 year
[21:43] <Micrll> not sure
[21:43] <Micrll> they were all kind of wonky
[21:43] <tapas> it failed during the alternate installer too
[21:43] <Pelo> whatnext, probably safest
[21:43] <tapas> had to install lilo
[21:43] <linas> latitu_, I had no sound at first, but then, with a later kernel in Hardy, it started working again.
[21:43] <whatnext> Pelo: Thanks for advice - appreciate it.
[21:44] <latitu_> linas i have the latest now. 16
[21:44] <linas> Dunno. then, check the volume levels :-/
[21:44] <Micrll> gah, I still can't get mythTV working
[21:45] <linas> if you are good at kernel hacking, then check lsmod to make sure sound card driver is loaded.
[21:45] <whatnext> It won't take that long using a thumb drive - better to be safe then sorry - I've over spilt milk too many times in the past - if you know what I mean  :o(
[21:45] <whatnext> cryed
[21:46] <whatnext> CYA all later - thx
[21:46] <latitu_> linas how can i check
[21:47] <sielnt_> how hard is it to set up rsync to auto-update, I'm guessing as a cron job?
[21:47] <sielnt_> auto-update files**
[21:48] <Micrll> ah, I give up
[21:48] <latitu_> when i boot, kde is not auto started, i get a black screen. i login  in and type startx. why?
[21:48] <Micrll> mythtv refuses to work properly
[21:48] <tapas> argh
[21:48] <tapas> there was an fd0 entru
[21:48] <tapas> entry
[21:48] <tapas> in /boot/grub/device.map
[21:48] <tapas> ts ts ts
[21:48] <Pelo> later folks
[21:49] <tapas> let's see if it worked now
[21:49] <peter77> firefox 2 isn't recognising the installed vlc plugin, I also have firefox 3 installed which does recognise it!
[21:49] <tapas> i dont' have a floppy
[21:49] <tapas> dmesg reports it found one though
[21:50] <Micrll> hey I am uninstalling mythtv
[21:50] <Micrll> I can blow out mysql to right?
[21:52] <tapas> ok
[21:52] <tapas> it was the ubuntu cd i still had in the drive
[21:53] <apollo13> hi, Is there a keyring-manager available anywhere? gnome-keyring-manger isn't installable anymore...
[21:53] <tapas> the bios mapped it to a floppy drive it seeems
[21:53] <apollo13> and in seahorse I can't find a way to manage my passwords...
[21:55] <sparr_> downloaded 3GB of packages, wish me luck on hardy dist-upgrade
[21:55] <Micrll> good luck!
[21:57] <latitu_> how to reconfigure xserver?
[21:58] <tapas> latitu_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something
[22:01] <latitu_> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde
[22:01] <latitu_> Package `kde' is not installed and no info is available.
[22:01] <latitu_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[22:01] <latitu_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[22:03] <sparr_> are non-dist-upgrade package upgrade problems worth consideration?
[22:04] <rohan> sparr_: what do you mean?
[22:04] <sparr_> say im running gutsy
[22:04] <sparr_> and i install a handful of packages from hardy
[22:04] <sparr_> and the post-configuration fails
[22:05] <sparr_> but if i upgrade everything to hardy, then its fine
[22:08] <T1m0thy> Anyone here using Openbox with pypanel? -.-
[22:08] <el_ruso> help with my ad-hoc connexion
[22:10] <rcampbel> r-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[22:12] <ankit> So, is there an accepted way to fix the firefox/flash audio crashes?
[22:13] <lz1gjd> could anyone tell me how to set the sub encoding in gnome mplayer
[22:13] <lz1gjd> pls :)
[22:15] <el_ruso> does anybody get any experience with ad-hoc mode?
[22:16] <draginxx> OK, so has anyone figured out the big font problem yet?
[22:17] <derspankster> big font problem?
[22:17] <lz1gjd> i have it too in gnome mplayer, it seems like a decent mplayer gui but i cant change the sub font encoding
[22:17] <lz1gjd> (and the size too )
[22:18] <py3k-er> hello
[22:18] <py3k-er> is Ubuntu going to be released on April 24th?
[22:18] <py3k-er> the RC had one day delay
[22:18] <el_ruso> that's right
[22:19] <py3k-er> so it doesn't matter that the RC had one day delay
[22:19] <draginxx> derspankster, there is a big font problem with ubuntu 8.04, it renders soem fonts as way to big.
[22:19] <py3k-er> the final version is still going to be released on April 24th right?
[22:19] <jojo4u> yeah, had the same problem with the fonts
[22:19] <draginxx> They said the fix was released in language-selector - 0.3.1 but I can't get langugae-selector for some reason :S
[22:20] <draginxx> jojo4u, you fixed it?
[22:20] <py3k-er> report the bug then
[22:20] <draginxx> py3k-er, this has been reported, and claimed fixed.
[22:20] <py3k-er> good
[22:20] <draginxx> But I can't get the selector package 9dont know why)
[22:20] <jojo4u> well I use xubuntu and set the DPI there
[22:20] <derspankster> draginxx: haven't noticed it
[22:20] <el_ruso> i'm using beta version and works fine in my computer
[22:20] <draginxx> el_ruso, the beta versions DO work fine, it's the RC 1s that mess up
[22:21] <draginxx> This problem is so annnoying, especially in firefox >< lol
[22:21] <py3k-er> i am using Windows XP atm but i run Ubuntu 8.04 RC in VMware
[22:21] <draginxx> How do I upgrade apackage/see the package version that I'm running?
[22:21] <py3k-er> as soon as the final version comes out, i'll reformat my disk with Ubuntu 8.04
[22:21] <jojo4u> draginxx, execute xrdb -q in a terminal and look out for Xft.dpi information
[22:21] <draginxx> language-selector is already the newest version. <-- calling bs on that
[22:22] <el_ruso> draginxx what kind of problem?
[22:22] <draginxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/199557 here's more info guys
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199557 in language-selector "[hardy] fonts have had different proportions since update" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:22] <py3k-er> Firefox sux
[22:22] <py3k-er> this version 3.0 veta 5 is sucky
[22:22] <jojo4u> draginxx, about the package version: just look the package up in sysnaptic. It should tell you everything
[22:22] <kona> Hi, Under "Places" - Is there an easy way to add another Folder - Say "Downloads" or whatever?
[22:23] <el_ruso> py3k-er why?
[22:23] <py3k-er> it's not yet stable
[22:23] <el_ruso> i love my v3.0 beta 5
[22:23] <py3k-er> well, but it has flawsd
[22:23] <py3k-er> *flaws
[22:23] <jojo4u> about the fonts: I'm updating to hardy at the moment as well and just this moment my fonts went hudge, too ^^
[22:23] <draginxx> yer
[22:23] <draginxx> This font thing is terrible :|
[22:24] <py3k-er> hudge? huge is the term ;)
[22:24] <jojo4u> draginxx, have you run xrdb -q?
[22:24] <draginxx> yes
[22:24] <jojo4u> sorry, I'm not english ;)
[22:24] <draginxx> Here's the dpi result (just found it)
[22:24] <el_ruso> the only problem that i have with 8.04 is closing windows
[22:24] <draginxx> Xft.dpi:	96
[22:24] <py3k-er> you're not english lool
[22:24] <draginxx> 96 is way to high I think O_o heh
[22:24] <f0rmat> how do i make it so ubuntu auto chmods all new users home directorys so that only root and that user can access anything else other than the home dir?
[22:24] <el_ruso> me either lol
[22:24] <jojo4u> draginxx, 96 is fine
[22:24] <py3k-er> you don't speak english natively you ment to say?
[22:25] <jojo4u> py3k-er, of course, yes ;)
[22:25] <py3k-er> okay then ;)
[22:25] <py3k-er> me neither :P
[22:25] <jojo4u> :P
[22:25] <draginxx> According to synaptic I have language v 0.3.4 but this problem is still not fixed =/
[22:26] <draginxx> May be I'll run ATI's drivers rather than the free ones
[22:26] <py3k-er> ati sux
[22:26] <py3k-er> nvidia sux
[22:26] <py3k-er> they all suck
[22:26] <moose> you sux
[22:26] <nikolam> intel is ok.
[22:26] <py3k-er> i make my own graphic cards at home
[22:26] <el_ruso> guys, does anybody can help me with my wireless connection? in adhoc mode
[22:27] <nikolam> free ati drivers are ok in 2D use
[22:27] <nikolam> py3k-er, LOL
[22:27] <py3k-er> i do
[22:27] <draginxx> Bah not doing anything in 3d, just want my fonts fixed =/
[22:27] <nikolam> py3k-er, post some pictures/site please I want to see it :)
[22:27] <py3k-er> fonts suck too
[22:27] <magnus|msc> is there a known bug, that supports only 88MB of Ram ??
[22:28] <py3k-er> i gotta run
[22:28] <py3k-er> see you
[22:28] <ankit> How do I get amarok and firefox/flash to play nicely?
[22:28] <filthpig_> Lunar_Lamp, yep tried that... still lacking approx 300 mb of free space
[22:29] <el_ruso> ankit in synatips
[22:29] <jojo4u> draginxx, have you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config?
[22:29] <ankit> el_ruso: What?
[22:30] <el_ruso> ankit you can get amarok in the repositories
[22:31] <ankit> el_ruso: oh, I know how to install them... I just wanted to know how to get them both to play nicely... I can't play audio in both, one crashes...
[22:31] <m11> evening
[22:31] <sparr_> wow
[22:32] <sparr_> upgrade 2100 packages, install 250 new ones...  ONE dpkg error
[22:32] <el_ruso> ankit: and doesn't system show you any error message?
[22:32] <sparr_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu_1.8.5_all.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/ubiquity.png', which is also in package ubiquity
[22:32] <ankit> el_ruso: No, one of them just crashes.
[22:33] <sparr_> aaaaand...
[22:33] <sparr_> theres a kde upgrade in hardy
[22:33] <sparr_> guess i need to restart X
[22:33] <el_ruso> ankit have you tried to reinstall them?
[22:33] <sparr_> luck!
[22:34] <duncanm> is it safe to clear my lost+found directory?
[22:34] <ankit> el_ruso: Yes.
[22:35] <el_ruso> ankit: what about totem?
[22:37] <ankit> el_ruso: Totem works fine, I think it's a problem with flash... it uses OSS which decides to screw everything up...
[22:37] <ankit> el_ruso: I found something where you can add pulseaudio support for flash, I'm trying that now.
[22:38] <el_ruso> ankit: sorry
[22:38] <AaronMT> Hi is there any way to restore the default hardy theme after the latest updates and upgrades, the theme changed (no orange side bars on menus)
[22:38] <el_ruso> i don't know
[22:39] <ankit> el_ruso: No problem, thanks... I'll let you know if this works.
[22:39] <el_ruso> ankit thanks
[22:39] <el_ruso> ankit send me a private message then
[22:40] <draginxx> the big font is still not fixed =/
[22:40] <richie_> My JMicron cdrom does not show up in hardy
[22:40] <richie_> Any ideas?
[22:40] <richie_> well its a DVD drive
[22:40] <el_ruso> lat8r guys
[22:40] <ankit> el_ruso: sure.
[22:42] <nemo> sometime in latest updates, gnome terminal stopped telling me the width/height on resizing
[22:42] <nemo> I really miss that
[22:44] <AaronMT> Mine still does?
[22:44] <richie_> Me too
[22:44] <richie_> Anyone know why you cant change the colour depth anymore?
[22:44] <richie_> I need 16bit for my laptop
[22:44] <richie_> instead of 32bit
[22:45] <richie_> Screen Resolution tool is lacking the option
[22:46] <tomd123> does anyone know about ubuntu saying, unable to eject ipod when it is connected? this happens every time and it doesn't eject, I have to unplug it unsafely :/
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> tomd123: are you using amarok?
[22:47] <tomd123> nosrednaekim: I'm using the built-in functionality in ubuntu, right click the ipod icon on the desktop and eject
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:47] <draginxx> How do I downgrade packages?
[22:47] <thebigham> How can i install firefox 2? alot of the extentions doesnt work on the new firefox
[22:47] <spiderfire> sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[22:48] <tomd123> nosrednaekim: actually I just unplugged my ipod and the icon is still on the desktop!!
[22:48] <Do``> hey
[22:48] <Do``> i ran into some pretty serious display problems
[22:48] <nikolam> tomd123, you should umount it first
[22:48] <Symmetria> hardy uses firefox 3?
[22:48] <richie_> yes
[22:48] <rogmatic> Symmetria: yes it does
[22:48] <tomd123> nikolam: It said, couldn't unmount Ipod
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> tomd123: check if there is a bug in launchpad. if not.... please to file one
[22:49] <nikolam> ahh sorry
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> *do
[22:49] <Do``> it seems pixels are stuck on my screen, first i thought they were broken pixels in my LCD monitor, but they are on screenshots too and they follow the windows
[22:49] <Do``> http://grip-system.hu/stuff/asdasdasd.png
[22:49] <Do``> it looks like this
[22:49] <Symmetria> heh, Im hoping that mozilla doesnt decide to release firefox 3 RC on the same day as the hardy release
[22:49] <Do``> what could cause this? :D
[22:49] <Symmetria> that will not be pretty *again*
[22:49] <draginxx> richie_, did you try startx --depth 16?
[22:49] <mrunagi> ive never gotten mythtv working period
[22:50] <richie_> draginxx, No, can i do that while X is running?
[22:50] <rogmatic> Symmetria: So far, I like the new FF.  Many extensions have already been updated
[22:50] <draginxx> richie_, nah u gotta stop x then start x
[22:50] <richie_> draginxx, Recovery mode in grub?
[22:51] <Symmetria> rogmatic heh Im more concerned about the bandwidth used on similtaneous releases, it messes with the mirrors pretty badly when mozilla and ubuntu do similtaneous releases
[22:51] <Symmetria> (and mozilla seems to almost plan it to happen like that)
[22:51] <nikolam> richie_, sudo killall gdm  ,  sudo gdm
[22:51] <topyli> is java supposed to work in openoffice? mine can't find java
[22:51] <rogmatic> Symmetria: ah yes, I know what you mean ><
[22:51] <thebigham> I installed firefox 2 from the synpastic, and i cant seem to install any extensions in firefox 2
[22:51] <nikolam> topyli, install it then from synaptic
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh rogmatic though this time if htey do that, at least from my side, our mirror will be ready, we've thrown *TONS* of hardware at it this time around
[22:52] <rogmatic> Symmetria: heheh well that's good then
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh za.*.ubuntu.com are now 2 machines, each of them with 4 dualcore xeon cpus (8 cores), and 24gigs of ram
[22:52] <Symmetria> and one of them has a 10gig network card :p
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[22:53] <rogmatic> Symmetria: *whistles* nice :D
[22:53] <Symmetria> heh 35 terabytes of disk space between em as well
[22:53] <rogmatic> nice nice
[22:53] <topyli> nikolam: i do have sun java installed and used as default of course
[22:54] <DanaG> 10GbE?  Sweet.
[22:55] <Symmetria> DanaG heh intel card, uses the ixgbe driver
[22:55] <chrisas> what is za* ?
[22:55] <Symmetria> on a pci-e 16x bus
[22:55] <Symmetria> chrisas the south african mirror (though we also are ls. bw. mz. and various others)
[22:55] <chrisas> i wonder i it get the traffic in 4 days done
[22:55] <chrisas> the traffic will hit the roof
[22:56] <chrisas> worldwide
[22:56] <Do``> so could someone help me figure out what could possibly cause stuck pixels on the screen like this? http://grip-system.hu/stuff/asdasdasd.png
[22:56] <Symmetria> chrisas yeah, the traffic over mirrors gets really really intense
[22:56] <nikolam> topyli, Try java-gcj-compat
[22:56] <chrisas> Symmetria,  are there any worldwide stats available ?
[22:56] <Do``> i've been testing hardy since alpha 5 and these just appeared today, last restart was 5 days ago, it was fine until todays
[22:56] <Symmetria> chrisas nah, but I can tell you that I've seen mirrors running on gigE cards flatlining for 2 solid days before
[22:57] <Symmetria> and I've seen other multi-system mirrors pushing 4 - 5 gigabit
[22:57] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem player changes corols settings itself, how to  fix it? Because I have to every time go to options to fix them.
[22:57] <_Rambaldi_> how do you get webcams to work in ubuntu
[22:57] <chrisas> Symmetria, posting some stats after the release would be great for marketing
[22:58] <nemo> AaronMT: odd. wonder what changed in mine
[22:58] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem player changes corols settings itself, how to  fix it? Because I have to every time go to options to fix them.
[22:58] <goodhabit> Oups, sorry please.
[22:58] <topyli> nikolam: okay, but it surprises me that gnu java is suddenly better than sun's :\
[22:58] <Symmetria> the releases for ubuntu are generally a lot heavier on our mirror than the firefox releases, but I think thats because firefox has FAR more mirrors and uses a distribution system to distribute to them
[22:58] <goodhabit> Wrong button.
[22:58] <nikolam> topyli, suns java is gnu niw i think
[22:58] <Arrow_> Hi all
[22:58] <DanaG> OOh, those stuck pixels look all artsy.
[22:59] <nemo> AaronMT: my compiz might be screwed up. it has other oddities
[22:59] <DanaG> Nice.
[22:59] <DanaG> Modern art, heh.
[22:59] <DanaG> ﻿I'm glad to at least have GbE on my laptop -- driver is e1000.
[22:59] <topyli> nikolam: no, sun's java is sun's, and gnu java is gnu
[22:59] <topyli> it's not about licensing
[22:59] <Arrow_> Ok then I'll have to back down to a regular Hardy?
[22:59] <Symmetria> DanaG heh, will be a long time before we start seeing 10gig in anything other than big servers, cause there is still no 10gig cat6 cable that I know of
[22:59] <nikolam> ah yes.
[22:59] <nemo> topyli: 'course the initial impetus for the gnu one was licensing...
[22:59] <Symmetria> its all CX4 (a form of coax) or fiber
[23:00] <Symmetria> brb smoke
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: eh? yeah... try 32 bit
[23:00] <Arrow_> I haven't been able to load any 64 bit distro's on the box..it's 2 days old..just fired it up
[23:00] <Arrow_> It works at 32 bit
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> thats odd!
[23:01] <nikolam> Arrow_, What is the cpu?
[23:01] <topyli> nemo: impetus for what? for making openoffice not find the java installation i have? :o
[23:01] <Arrow_> Phenom 9850
[23:01] <nemo> topyli: for creating a gnu one silly
[23:01] <Arrow_> with the TLB fixed
[23:01] <eternal_p> afternoon all, I am trying to create a samba share, but am getting the error: "'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied"
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: maybe try unfixing it
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: I think they put the fix in the kernel driver.
[23:02] <Arrow_> Oh no....bad
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure what the story is there.
[23:02] <Arrow_> I waited two months for a big free part
[23:02] <Arrow_> bug
[23:02] <topyli> nemo: it's all nice and good for gnu to make their own java if they want. i don't have a problem with gnu but openoffice and java, both sun supported projects :(
[23:03] <cvd-pr> qemu has usb etc...?
[23:04] <topyli> ohhhh openoffice doesn't depend on openoffice.org-java-common so it's not installed by default
[23:04] <Arrow_> googling.... Phenom Kubuntu TLB bug
[23:06] <Arrow_> I guess I have to compile a kernel then..or find someone who has modded Kubuntu already
[23:07] <Arrow_> if the TLB patch is 'in' the standard release...that makes all the new Phenons not work
[23:07] <eternal_p> cvd-pr: use virtualbox or vmware server
[23:07] <eternal_p> better options
[23:07] <jojo4u> well I'm back after upgrading. And I can tell you, hardy still sucks
[23:07] <cvd-pr> eternal_p, ok
[23:08]  * Arrow_ hasn't compiled a kernel since '93 gee....forget how
[23:08] <Jordan_U> jojo4u, In what way?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> Arrow_: ouch... any launchpad bug on that?
[23:09] <ikonia> Arrow_: be aware make dep is gone now :)
[23:09] <DanaG> New BIOSes should fix TLB bug.
[23:09] <DanaG> ... unless your computer's OEM sucks.
[23:09] <jojo4u> jordan: where to start ... update-manager fails with my sources.list, update-manager logs me off during upgrade so upgrade is stopped and I have to run dpkg --configure -a after a a system reset, network-manager does not reming WLAN key, fonts are ugly
[23:09] <Jaymac> i have a usb drive, and accidentally specified an invalid mount directory on Properties > Volume > Mount point and now it refuses to mount.. how can i fix it?
[23:10] <jojo4u> ... ntfs volumes don't show up in thunar
[23:10] <DanaG> Jaymac: open gconf-editor and go to system->storage
[23:10] <Arrow_> That's quite the problem ..I have 'fixed' silicon and don't need a patch...:/
[23:10] <DanaG> and dig around a bit.
[23:10] <Jaymac> DanaG: just remembered
[23:10] <Jaymac> DanaG: thanks a lot ahaha
[23:22] <TheOriginalRippe> can somebody tell me how i install a virus scanner?
[23:23] <upboardin> dont really need one
[23:23] <david_> where's the firewall in rc - is it already installed?
[23:24] <_Rambaldi_> TheOriginalRippe, do you have one in mind you want to install
[23:24] <TheOriginalRippe> how about if i download a file and i want to check if its malicious or not?
[23:24] <_Rambaldi_> install clamtk TheOriginalRippe
[23:24] <TheOriginalRippe> not sure which ones are available
[23:24] <david_> i thought a simple firewall was part of the advertising for 8.04
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> !ufw | david_
[23:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:26] <_Rambaldi_> TheOriginalRippe, did you install?
[23:26] <lilkreen> my Laptop (Everex VA2001T) LCD monitor blinks in both stable and hardy. It doesn't have any technical info that I can find on horizontal refresh rates and such. Is there a way to get the blinking to stop?
[23:27] <david_> from website> The Ubuntu 8.04 release candidate includes ufw (Uncomplicated Firewall),
[23:27] <cwillu> lilkreen, blinks in suspend?
[23:27] <lilkreen> no I mean it blinks like an old TV
[23:27] <Jaymac> lilkreen: you mean like a screen flicker every so often?
[23:27] <TheOriginalRippe> installing =)
[23:27] <lilkreen> no it's continuous like the refresh rate was off
[23:28] <TheOriginalRippe> very slow download:S
[23:28] <lilkreen> I tried that DMFI info tool I saw mentioned but it didn't get anything from the monitor for me to look up
[23:28] <TheOriginalRippe> lol 3 mins for 12mb?
[23:29] <lilkreen> I can use it just fine but the continuous shimmer is hard on my eyes
[23:29] <seanh> Anyone else had sound disappear in some apps (e.g. firefox) after recent updates?
[23:29] <TheOriginalRippe> i did this morning but its fine now
[23:30] <cvd-pr> Any one know how to calculate the speed  in AMD processors?  2800+ = 1.8 GHZ How i do that
[23:30] <_Rambaldi_> your internet is slow TheOriginalRippe
[23:30] <lilkreen> well the mute function button on my laptop doesn't work anymore, have to right click and mute/unmute from the tray
[23:30] <seanh> Hmm, still gone for me, and there's no more updates yet
[23:30] <Miineti> hi :)
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> cvd-pr: subtract 1000, divide by 1000
[23:30] <VSpike> cvd-pr: look it up on wikipedia?  I don't think it's calculateable
[23:31] <TheOriginalRippe> im running intel centrino dual core duo i dont know about amd im an intel fan myself
[23:31] <Miineti> someone knows how to get an fritz wlan stick to work on hardy?
[23:31] <chrisas> Miineti, whats the hardware in the stick ?
[23:31] <julie> can I get help on hardy
[23:31] <VSpike> cvd-pr: you know that "cat /proc/cpu" will give you the clock speed?
[23:32] <cvd-pr> VSpike, i want to know, so i can do it automatically
[23:32] <julie> I have a bug I think..
[23:32] <chrisas> Miineti, you dont need it, but its easier, what does it say as product name ?
[23:32] <virtuald> is there any advantage to install firefox extensions through apt on a single user desktop?
[23:32] <Miineti> one mom...
[23:32] <julie> I have changed the language to persian then back again to english but its stayed on persian
[23:32] <VSpike> cvd-pr: lookup table?
[23:33] <julie> any help
[23:33] <scizzo-> julie: maybe ask what the problem is before we can help?
[23:33] <sielnt_> If I have 2 machines rsyncing to the same directory on my server, will rsync check which file was edited most recently or if I had an older version on computer 1 and a newer version on computer 2 and I rsynced computer 2 then computer 1 would the newer file still remain?
[23:33] <Miineti> its name is just fritz wlan usb stick (avm gmbh)
[23:33] <cvd-pr> so a 3000+ = ?
[23:33] <TheOriginalRippe> running great thanks
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> cvd-pr: 2ghz
[23:34] <chrisas> Miineti, you get the installed hardware by executing "lshw" in a terminal
[23:34] <julie> the problem is I changed my system lang to persian then tried to change it back to english but now its stuck on persian
[23:34] <Miineti> thx
[23:34]  * Miineti tries
[23:34] <chrisas> Miineti, look for "usb"
[23:35] <chrisas> Miineti, sorry i think i was wrong i cant find my usb devices like this
[23:35] <VSpike> cvd-pr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors
[23:35] <scizzo-> julie: did you logout and in again to be sure?
[23:35] <julie> scizzo-: yes
[23:35] <akk> what's the right cmdline (non-gui) way to upgrade from gutsy to hardy? I'm having trouble finding a straight answer with google.
[23:35] <JediMaster> Hey all, I'm just trying to install the RC and straight after selecting install from the cd menu, I'm getting a kernel panic. I installed an earlier beta (but amd64 instead of i386) and had no problems
[23:36] <VSpike> cvd-pr: 3000+ = 2000MHz, but 3200+ = 2000MHz also
[23:36] <scizzo-> julie: type: locale in a terminal and then put it in pastebin
[23:36] <Laibsch> Hi, I upgraded a dapper installation to hardy and now "reboot" does nothing.I get an error "shutdown: Unable to send message: Connection refused"
[23:36] <Laibsch> This is as root
[23:36] <chrisas> Miineti, lsusb is better i think
[23:36] <scizzo-> julie: also be sure that english is actually choosen as default
[23:36] <Miineti> k
[23:36] <akk> I have a program called do-release-upgrade which I think I used for feisty-gutsy, but it has no man page
[23:36] <VSpike> cvd-pr: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_microprocessors
[23:36] <JediMaster> getting: ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC        then "Kernel panic - not syncing IO-APIC + timer doesn't work"
[23:36] <Miineti> that just gives me information i dont understand :)
[23:37] <ubuntuROX> Hey guys, If I have been running the beta and doing all the updates, is there anything else I can do besides a full re-install to get the RC, or will the package manager do the update for me?
[23:37] <chrisas> JediMaster,  you could try #linux , i you find no one here
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> ubuntuROX: its all done in the updates
[23:37] <julie> http://pastebin.com/m7ee2eaf4
[23:37] <soc> crimsun: hi ...
[23:37] <soc> i'm here again ...
[23:38] <JediMaster> chrisas: thanks, I did just change a few minor settings in the BIOS, but nothing that mentioned IO-APIC
[23:38] <soc> rebooted, aplay works
[23:38] <soc> vlc not
[23:38] <scizzo-> julie: all locales looks ok
[23:38] <ubuntuROX> I did not notice any major updates in the last few days
[23:38] <chrisas> JediMaster,  i had to tweak the bios too , to get 8gb working
[23:38] <soc> killing and starting pulseaudio:
[23:38] <Miineti> ubunturox, as far as i know, the update manager should do it
[23:38] <soc> pulseaudio
[23:38] <soc> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[23:38] <soc> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[23:38] <scizzo-> julie: is applications in another language?
[23:38] <ubuntuROX> Awesome :)
[23:39] <sielnt_> how do I append newlines or other separating characters to piped output
[23:39] <julie> yes
[23:39] <cvd-pr> if i change the hostname rightknow am not gonna have any problem?
 >> file.txt + output
[23:39] <sielnt_> ?
[23:39] <scizzo-> julie: even if you start them from a terminal?
[23:39] <Miineti> chrisas: shall i copy, what lsusb gives me?
[23:40] <soc> mhh
[23:40] <soc> can someone help me?
[23:40] <julie> scizzo-: the kmenu is in persian.. also can you run it by me to make sure that I have changed the lang correctly
[23:40] <soc> i have sound problems
[23:40] <chrisas> if its only one line , yes (the line which shows your fritz stick)
[23:40] <soc> seems to be something with pulseaudio ...
[23:40] <scizzo-> julie: ouch....I don't know much about KDE
[23:41] <spiderfire> which is your favorite dwm style wm?
[23:41] <scizzo-> julie: I belive there is a kubuntu channel that might help you.....
[23:41] <julie> well thats a f up
[23:42] <lilkreen> anyone know how to fix a laptop's shimmering LCD monitor?
[23:42] <julie> scizzo-: thats what  I believed too
[23:42] <spiderfire> lilkreen: shimmering?
[23:42] <lilkreen> It's blinking everything imperceptibly in any resolution
[23:43] <lilkreen> the monitor doesn't have any technical info I know of
[23:43] <spiderfire> lilkreen: do you mean its split up also?
[23:43] <chrisas> Miineti, paste only one line please
[23:43] <chrisas> or you need to use the "pastebin" website
[23:43] <scizzo-> julie: well like I said I am not 100% sure....however it can be that the menu and stuff in KDE is reading from another system...for example the stuff that is included with KDE...however I am not sure
[23:43] <spiderfire> lilkreen: what laptop?
[23:43] <lilkreen> no it looks fine it's just blinking everything like an old flourecent tube
[23:43] <Miineti> chrisas: in the first line tsays: Bus 005 Device 008: ID [0x] AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 well, thats pretty much of no help for my connection, aint it? :D
[23:43] <lilkreen> everex VA2001T
[23:44] <scizzo-> julie: the terminal itself should read from locale...and so you can set different in terminal and X I belive...
[23:44] <alphakamp> Hello need to submit bug report, but figured i would come here first, my latitude 110l doesnt turn the screen back on after opening the lid
[23:44] <cwillu> lilkreen, it could actually be the backlight (which is often a fluorescent tube)
[23:44] <Hydrogen> wow... it didn't take firefox long to copy that feature from opera!
[23:44] <cwillu> which?
[23:44] <lilkreen> well it works fine in the vista that came with it
[23:44] <sparr_c> two serious problems with my hardy upgrade.  one was expected, i have to mess with the nvidia driver again.  the other unexpected and i am lost...  i cant connect to the network via my atheros wifi card.  knetworkmanager and nm-applet dont even see wireless.  wlassistant sees the AP and tries to connect, no dice.  ifconfig and iwconfig seem to work properly.  dhclient gives me a lot of "SIOCSIF*: Permission denied" errors and
[23:45] <Miineti> as far as my nooby self understands it, the drivers (which are on the stick) are pretty windows dependent
[23:45] <julie> scizzo-: sorry did you ask me to do somehting
[23:45] <chrisas> Miineti, do you get an ID ? like : Bus 005 Device 008: ID 046d:c018 Logitech, Inc. , you can google for this ID
[23:45] <Miineti> yep, i do
[23:45] <spiderfire> lilkreen: dont know about that really
[23:45] <Hydrogen> the site titles of pages in the dropdown
[23:45] <scizzo-> julie: no just informing you how to proceed with error testing
[23:46]  * Miineti googles
[23:46] <teamcobra> does anyone know what is going on with the b43 drivers in the newer (port .24-12) kernels? modprobing them doesnt produce _any_ dmesg output, makes it kind of hard to diagnose
[23:46] <TheOriginalRippe> hmm didnt think i would be back so soon , anybody else having problems with firefox not loading home page and instead showing about:blank? even though its set to eg google.com?
[23:46] <teamcobra> port/post
[23:46] <cwillu> Hydrogen, not following?
[23:46] <lilkreen> I wonder if the openchrome drivers would fix it, pity they die horribly on this laptop, heh.
[23:46] <chrisas> Miineti, first you have to know what exotic hardware this is, then you can look for the driver, if it would be common it would work out of the box, seems you got bad luck with this one
[23:46] <Hydrogen> cwillu: when typing a url into the location bar it now shows the title of the site in addition to the url
[23:47] <Hydrogen> opera had added that a while back, and apparently firefox did like it always does and took it posthaste!
[23:47] <alphakamp> Anyone having trouble with laptops lids
[23:47] <chrisas> Miineti, Fritz Hardware Sticks have all sorts of hardware in them, just what was the cheapest @ that time
[23:47] <cwillu> that's a good 8 months old, just hasn't been in the released version
[23:47] <jimmygoon> Anyone else's thunderbird icon look awful in avant-window-navigator?
[23:47] <cwillu> hydroboy, not that there's anything wrong with using good ideas, no?
[23:47] <_Rambaldi_> video appears to be blocky when horizontal panning in fullscreen, why is this and how can i get rid of this. my card is nvidia
[23:47] <TheOriginalRippe> i changed the look of all my icons lol so no idea on that
[23:47] <Hydrogen> cwillu: When all your ideas have come from others....
[23:48] <Miineti> chrisas: thanks
[23:48] <chrisas> Miineti,  :-( bad start it seems
[23:48] <Miineti> and how do i manage that? :D
[23:48] <Miineti> i knew, that'd happen, this avm stuff is just overpriced crap :S
[23:48] <lilkreen> alphakamp: the only trouble I have on this one is if it suspends with the lid open it doesn't respond to the touchpad, heh.
[23:48] <cwillu> Hydrogen, nevermind I asked, welcome to my ignore file
[23:49] <Miineti> everythin else works so perfectly, i nearly cant believe it :)
[23:49] <chrisas> Miineti,  read carefully on the stick (especially small fonts) and google for it
[23:49] <chrisas> Miineti,  i must be something exotic
[23:49] <Miineti> even the graca
[23:49] <Miineti> nope, nothin small written on it
[23:49] <Miineti> only name, name of company and MAC
[23:50] <alphakamp> lilkreen: I will have to submit a bug report i guees
[23:50] <teamcobra> why not do a lsusb
[23:50] <teamcobra> to find the exact hardware id
[23:50] <cwillu> teamcobra, what brokenness are you seeing?  They work fine on my box after I installed b43-fwcutter, and removed the hackery I had done in gutsy to make it work
[23:50] <poseidon> I have been trying to set up my wireless adapter to work in kubuntu with the guide given to me at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400236  I did all the steps, and got this http://pastebin.com/m58bbc68f
[23:51] <chrisas> Miineti,  do you know german ? : http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/FRITZ!WLAN_USB_Stick , but the looking @ the description it sucks
[23:51] <poseidon> It says that I should have a connection after that, but I don't.
[23:51] <Miineti> chrisas, yea, i do
[23:51] <teamcobra> cwillu: I have a bcm4311 rev02. b43 works fine, no probs in 2.6.24-12. If I use any later kernel than that, the b43 module doesn;t actually do anything
[23:51] <Miineti> and next time ask me first :P
[23:52] <Miineti> ;)
[23:52] <cwillu> poseidon, that doesn't sound like a hardy guide
[23:52] <teamcobra> modprobing it returns no output, the light stays orange, and dmesg returns _nothing_ related to b43
[23:52] <Miineti> but they dont write bout hardy
[23:52] <teamcobra> which means the module is there, but when loaded.... well, it doesn;t _really_ do anything
[23:52] <chrisas> Miineti, do you run 8.04 ? try to start "jockey-gtk" if you have the usb stick in
[23:53] <poseidon> cwillu, how do I get it to work in 8.04 then?
[23:53] <ampex> Miineti: trying to make a usb wifi device work?
[23:53] <sparr> ignore sparr_c's problem
[23:53] <lilkreen> if the device has a FCC ID listed on it you might be able to get some info from here: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm
[23:53] <Miineti> where the heck is the - on the english keyboard?
[23:53] <chrisas> Miineti, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/restricted-manager
[23:53] <sparr> dist-upgrade was non-obviously interrupted
[23:53] <Miineti> ampex: yep
[23:53] <sparr> for future reference...  DO NOT REBOOT mid-dist-upgrade
[23:53] <jbroome> duh
[23:53] <ampex> oh, right, bad idea
[23:53] <icanhas> sparr
[23:54] <icanhas> I did it once, was fun
[23:54] <jbroome> staring at the sun is also a bad idea
[23:54] <cwillu> poseidon, first, burn a live cd and check that it doesn't just work out of the box now (I've only played with one rt71, but it Just Worked in hardy)
[23:54] <ampex> it's almost as bad as powering down when you're doing a firmware upgrade
[23:54] <alphakamp> sparr: i had to on both off my upgrades
[23:54] <sparr> this is the third time ive done it, i think
[23:54] <sparr> ever
[23:54] <sparr> but this time i didnt know!
[23:54] <cwillu> teamcobra, but it still works if you boot into the older kernel?
[23:54] <sparr> i thought it was done
[23:54] <chrisas> Miineti, you have to run it with -c or -u (to update the list)
[23:54] <teamcobra> cwillu: I;ve never ever had a problem troubleshooting a driver in linux until now.... and only because _there is no dmesg output (!? whose idea was this?)
[23:54] <teamcobra> cwillu: precisely
[23:54] <sparr> i lost HAL!
[23:54] <sparr> that was the scariest part
[23:54] <chrisas> sparr,  :-)
[23:54] <poseidon> cwillu, It didn't work on the livecd when I tried
[23:55] <akk> losing HAL is a good thing :)
[23:55]  * Miineti doesnt find -
[23:55] <sparr> no HAL means no /disk/by-UUID means no automount means no /home!
[23:55] <lilkreen> heh, hal doesn't even interface the brightness with anything on my laptop, they haven't fixed it yet after breaking it patches ago
[23:55] <Danish989> 3 days left till ubuntu 8.04! woohoo!
[23:56] <sparr> so now im waiting for some fraction of 2350 packages to [re]configure  :)
[23:56] <teamcobra> cwillu, I also made sure the backport modules weren;t installed
[23:56] <chrisas> sparr,  that did not work for me because some of the packages fail on reconfigure , but if you upgrade they same "continuing because distribution  upgrade is in progress"
[23:56] <peter77> I were watching a flash video stream in fullscreen and ubuntu froze and all of a sudden the fans went mental, this has happend before
[23:57] <ampex> peter77: your cpu/gpu is overheating?
[23:57] <akk> peter77: Sometimes top can tell you which process went crazy
[23:57] <akk> (if you have enough control left to get a terminal and type top, that is)
[23:58] <sparr> when i built this PC, i went for low weight.  aluminum case, cheap fans, small heat sinks.
[23:58] <sparr> next time, im going for quiet
[23:58] <sparr> insulated walls, huge heat sinks, large heavy expensive quiet fans
[23:58] <chrisas> i go for aqua next time
[23:58] <joshjosh> i updated and now my sound is compeltely distorted
[23:58] <joshjosh> any ideas?
[23:59] <sparr> ok, fun apt-vs-gui question
[23:59] <chrisas> joshjosh, not really :-(
[23:59] <sparr> i do all my package management from the command line, and have debconf turned really paranoid
[23:59] <sparr> but, for normal users...