[00:10] <greg-g> bdmurray: just fyi, there is a sci-fi/open-source conference going on in Michigan (yes, a crazy weekend) and we are doing our second Bug Triage Jam.  link to our presenter's presentation file: http://wolfger.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/ubuntu-bug-triage-basics/
[00:14] <secretlondon> greg-g: cool!
[00:24] <greg-g> secretlondon: yeah, it is, probably about 25-35 people are in the room
[00:24] <secretlondon> :)
[00:25] <greg-g> which, as the same time the xkcd guy and ESR are talking in another room
[00:25] <secretlondon> wow
[00:25] <secretlondon> sounds like a cool event
[00:25] <greg-g> yeah, Ubuntu rocked it hard here
[00:25] <greg-g> it is, my first time, having a good time
[00:25] <secretlondon> :)
[00:27] <secretlondon> I've been really busy with google summer of code, we've finally chosen our ten students, it's all gonna be announced on monday
[00:27] <secretlondon> we had 130 applicants
[00:28] <greg-g> secretlondon: awesome!
[00:28] <ffm> james_w: thanks for the comment.
[00:28] <secretlondon> greg-g It's going to be hard work, but hopefully we'll get some great code out of it!
[00:29] <greg-g> secretlondon: thats the goal right? ;)
[00:29] <secretlondon> greg-g totally!
[04:08] <duncanm> tjaalton: hi
[08:48] <timbrockett> Hi everyone.  Is anyone running 8.04 on an HP Pavilion dv6xxx?
[08:58] <ubuntu_demon> hardy bug in openjdk-6 : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/219666 which is essentially the same problem as : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/103933
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103933 in sun-java6 "Java install via Add/Remove crashed" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:32] <afflux> morning
[11:34] <qense> hello
[11:40] <Iulian> 'ey
[12:18] <afflux> urgh, launchpad is too slow for triaging :(
[12:18] <Iulian> Indeed
[12:19] <afflux> I'll kill some time with writing documentation for a lib I'm writing :)
[13:08] <qense> what happened to the ubuntu servers? They're very slow
[13:08] <qense> Maybe everyone wants to preorder their CDs now
[14:49] <james_w> There is an interesting article that covers triaging of bug reports in the latest LWN that some of you may enjoy reading: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/277872/d8b33d0cf0e27e22/
[15:14] <secretlondon> james_w thanks
[16:35] <ubuntu_demon> ﻿can someone confirm bug #129200 for Hardy (kernel 2.6.24-16) ?
[16:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129200 in linux-source-2.6.22 "C3 and C4 can't be reached. powertop doesn't show C3 and C4." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129200
[20:38] <marnanel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/+bugs?field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch says that there are four bugs in Metacity which need forwarding upstream.  I want to do so.  How do I do it?  Do I just create the bugs in the upstream tracker and then mark them in launchpad?
[20:40] <pochu> marnanel: yes, create them upstream, and then click on "also affects upstream" in the launchpad report, and add the upstream url there
[20:41] <marnanel> pochu: okay, great, thanks.  I don't need special LP permissions to do that?
[20:44] <pochu> marnanel: I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Let me know if I am and I'll add the links for you
[20:48] <marnanel> thanks-- will try it
[20:48] <Iulian> No, you don't need any special permissions.
[21:09] <marnanel> Okay, sorry I'm not getting this, but I clicked "Also affects:  Distribution/package", and that gives  me a space I can put the URL, which is fine; but it also requires me to pick the name of a distro.  I can't say Ubuntu or it gives an error, and anyway it's not specifically Ubuntu, it's an upstream thing.
[21:20] <marnanel> any ideas?
[21:26] <afflux> marnanel: choose "also affects project"
[21:34] <marnanel> and I type "upstream" in the box there?
[21:36] <afflux> no
[21:36] <afflux> what was the package? metacity right?
[21:36] <marnanel> right
[21:37] <afflux> it should have a linked upstream project, I'll check that
[21:39] <afflux> marnanel: you should come to a page that is titled "confirm project", you should have three options: "URL for the upstream bug", "mailed the followign upstream contact", "I don't want to link it". Choose the first one and put the URL there
[21:39] <afflux> marnanel: oh. I think you may be looking at the wrong set of bugs
[21:40] <afflux> the bugs you looked at are (probably unintentionally) filed against the "upstream project" metacity (in the launchpad sense)
[21:40] <afflux> marnanel: they are *not* filed in ubuntu
[21:40] <afflux> err, wait
[21:41] <afflux> marnanel: it's only some of them that are not filed in ubuntu. The best url to get all bugs in ubuntu's metacity that need forwarding is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bugs?field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch
[21:43] <afflux> marnanel: for those, there is already the "upstream" task (the one where is no "Ubuntu" in the table with status and importancy etc.), you click on the expander for that task and put your URL there
[21:43] <afflux> marnanel: sorry for the confusion, I usually forward bugs that are not marked for forwarding ;)
[21:43] <marnanel> afflux: Thank you-- I'll get on with forwarding those, then.
[21:44] <marnanel> I do have a question, though
[21:44] <marnanel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/ shows "4 bugs need forwarding upstream".
[21:44] <marnanel> and there are only two given by that URL you gave.
[21:44] <marnanel> Why is that?
[21:46] <afflux> yes, you're right. The bugs on the "ubuntu/metacity" URL are all on the "metacity" URL too. That is because launchpad hosts upstream projects (like metacity) as well as distributions (like ubuntu). The bugs were looking at in this channel are in the distribution and *maybe* in the project.
[21:47] <afflux> So "your" URL has "ubuntu bugs" as well as bugs from other distributions (eg. baltix).
[21:47] <afflux> "my" URL only has "ubuntu bugs"
[21:47] <afflux> does that answer your question?
[21:49]  * marnanel reads this carefully :)
[21:50] <marnanel> Yes, it does.  Thank you!
[21:50] <afflux> you're welcome
[21:51] <afflux> going to bed, good night
[23:03] <KevinOberle> How would I go about getting a bug fixed before hardy's final release??
[23:03] <KevinOberle> I think it's a pretty important one and a really easy fix too
[23:09] <secretlondon> KevinOberle, got the number?
[23:11] <KevinOberle> yah I just reported it 220033
[23:11] <Nafallo> bug 220033
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220033 in ubuntu "Libflashsupport Not Installed With Flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220033
[23:13] <Nafallo> KevinOberle: unlikely to get fixed.
[23:13] <Nafallo> well... "fixed"
[23:14] <timing> hey, anyone here with good contacts with the ALSA team?
[23:14] <RAOF> KevinOberle: Actually, that's entirely deliberate, and was done to fix flash crashes.
[23:15] <KevinOberle> RAOF: ok thanks I wasn't aware of that, It's a shame though because now flash doesn't play nice with other audio programs
[23:15] <timing> because I submit a bug to launchpad related to ALSA. I also asked someone from ALSA for help. He said he had put a fix in cvs (don't know which revision number). I'm just wondering if this fix is supposed to be in ubuntu already
[23:16] <timing> anyway, this is the bug
[23:16] <timing> bug 209047
[23:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209047 in linux "Sound did work in 2.6.24-5 but not in 2.6.24-7 till 2.6.24-16" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209047
[23:17] <virtuald> why isn't d-mix in alsa used instead?
[23:17] <RAOF> virtuald: Instead of?
[23:18] <virtuald> pulseaudio
[23:18] <RAOF> virtuald: Because they're almost totally different things?
[23:18] <virtuald> dosen't both make it so you can play sound from different apps at the same time?
[23:19] <RAOF> Yes.  And then pulseaudio _also_ allows network-transparent sound, sound caching, better latency meausuring...
[23:20] <RAOF> The ability to mix two sound streams in software is one of pulseaudio's smaller features :)
[23:22] <virtuald> bloat? :P
[23:22] <virtuald> no i guess it's small
[23:49] <calc> bdmurray: ping