[01:54] <darthanubis> does anyone here have succcess with mythexport?
[01:55] <darthanubis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport
[01:58] <darthanubis> nuvexport?
[02:51] <rcampbel3> just upgrade my master backend - lots of nvidia probs - nvidia settings doesn't detect nvidia X driver, dmesg shows it loaded... see on launchpad others having this problem... any solutions here?
[05:46] <h3x> does 8.04 install with xfs for /var/lib
[05:46] <h3x> in live cd, or should i use alternate
[05:49] <sshirley> Hey all. I have a newbie question about Linux in general. I want to run mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend first on bootup. How can I change the startup scripts?
[05:51] <sshirley> Anyone?
[05:54] <sshirley> Damn it's dead in here!
[05:58] <h3x> pretty much
[05:59] <h3x> they're all busy watching tv. hahaha.
[05:59] <sshirley> righto :-)
[05:59] <sshirley> Any idea on how to change the startup scripts on ubuntu? i want to run mythwelcome first before mythfrontend
[06:00] <h3x> i donno where they put that
[06:00] <h3x> i would start greppin
[06:00] <h3x> hehe
[06:05] <sshirley> grep in /etc?? :-)
[06:06] <h3x0r> no
[06:06] <h3x0r> its probably in the home directory in a .* file
[06:06] <h3x0r> like for xdm
[06:06] <h3x0r> or its in /etc/X11 is my guess
[06:06] <h3x0r> but i donno its probably buried somewhere in /var/X11 or whatever
[06:06] <h3x0r> or is that xorg now
[06:06] <sshirley> xorg
[06:07] <h3x0r> my finger memory sucks
[06:22] <zeke> ...and so we come to the crux of my dilemma...Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 24XX...and...Unable to execute "/bin/sh" for rc-default errors when trying to install Mythbuntu 8.04
[06:25] <zeke> would an alternate-iso possibly have better results?
[06:29] <gnub_daemon> or has anyone ever gotten this/ know what it means?
[06:46] <gnub_daemon> pretty dead in here tonight
[06:46] <aliby> zeke you may want to run a disk check on your drive
[06:47] <aliby> I've had something similar happen and an xfs_check and xfs_repair fixed it
[06:48] <gnub_daemon> already on the second disc check...the first one turned up errors in 8 files
[06:48] <gnub_daemon> 9 this time
[06:48] <aliby> hmm
[07:10] <gnub_daemon> gonna try an alternate-install...haven't had much luck with those in the past
[07:12] <gnub_daemon> but that was with freebsd...I ended up without a desktop environ
[08:35] <gnub_daemon> I'm getting a "No UPnP" error when I try to run the initial setup...
[08:35] <gnub_daemon> No UPnP backends found
[10:42] <gnub_daemon> anyone listening in?
[10:42] <laga> yeah, what's the problem?
[10:44] <gnub_daemon> fresh install of hardy...libdvdcss2, libdvdread3, ffmpeg and other codecs installed yet I can't get dvd playback in xine, vlc or mplayer
[10:44] <gnub_daemon> which is what got me into the whole reinstallation debacle in the first place
[10:49] <gnub_daemon> 8-S
[13:20] <MythbuntuGuest83> hi, somebody from germany here who can explain me how to add the "premiere direkt" channels to mythtv?
[13:21] <MythbuntuGuest83> the get skipped by the channel scan
[13:25] <BobSlob> anyone know why i'd be having choppy playback in 8.04 on a c2d 2.13ghz, 2gb ram, 6800gt, using the restricted drivers? seems like no matter what playback settings i pick its choppy.
[13:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> try to disable the bob2 deinterlace
[13:26] <MythbuntuGuest83> i think its enabled in almost every playback group
[13:30] <BobSlob> okay, i made a custom profile... what would you recommend as my decoder and renderer?
[13:32] <laga> MythbuntuGuest83: it's been discussed in the forums and on the mythtv-users mailing list
[13:32] <MythbuntuGuest83> laga thats my post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4746803#post4746803
[13:33] <MythbuntuGuest83> BobSlob I am using the xvmc-nvidia setting
[13:33] <BobSlob> hmm... i dont even see that one. that the renderer?
[13:34] <MythbuntuGuest83> BobSlob sorry, as decoder standard xvmc and renderer xvmc-opengl
[13:35] <laga> xvmc-opengl isn't supported. it will fall back to something else
[13:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> lol
[13:35] <MythbuntuGuest83> ok then I don't know which I use ;)
[13:35] <BobSlob> haha
[13:35] <laga> it's still listed in the menu.. should be fixed :)
[13:36] <BobSlob> using standard xvmc and xvmc-blit caused mythtv to crap out =P
[13:38] <laga> BobSlob: maybe it's a problem with the video timing method. try opengl vsync?
[13:38] <BobSlob> i switched to just standard and its working okay
[13:39] <laga> i guess you don't need xvmc on the E6400 ;)
[13:40] <BobSlob> weird though, the "ticker" on sports channels is choppy as its scrolling... hard to read
[13:40] <BobSlob> xvmc is the best choice right?
[13:41] <laga> if it's jittery, you can usually benefit from a 2x deinterlacer
[13:41] <laga> BobSlob: no, it's just "a" choice.. check the mythtv wiki on xvmc ;)
[13:57] <MythbuntuGuest83> laga so you can't help me with premiere?
[14:07] <laga> no
[14:16] <MythbuntuGuest83> ok danke trotzdem
[14:39] <BobSlob> think i'd get better performance if i went to the offical nvidia drivers over the restricted drivers?
[14:44] <jduggan> most definitly
[14:45] <BobSlob> should i just use envy to install them?
[14:46] <laga> um
[14:46] <laga> what's the difference between "official nvidia drivers" and the "restricted drivers"? ;)
[14:46] <laga> but in any case, use envy, don't install from source
[14:46] <jduggan> i think he's using restricted as in, 'useless' rather than to say proprietary
[14:46] <jduggan> :P
[14:48] <a1fa> Err http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy/free Packages
[14:48] <a1fa>   404 Not Found [IP: 91.121.38.148 80]
[14:48] <a1fa> wtf?
[14:48] <laga> omg
[14:48] <a1fa> clicky dont work no more :)
[14:48] <BobSlob> haha
[14:49] <a1fa> no, i am saying mythbuntu control panel is selecting 404 package tree
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest15> just popped in to say thanks for advice yesterday - I got 8.04rc running and i'm very impressed - esp the multirec (3 recordings simultaneously on one tuner!)
[14:50] <a1fa> multirec?
[14:50] <a1fa> 3 different channels?
[14:51] <jduggan> 3 channels on the same mux using one tuner
[14:52] <a1fa> why would you do that?
[14:58] <a1fa> nvm
[14:58] <a1fa> they are having server issues over at medibuntu
[15:14] <MythbuntuGuest15> indeed, 3 channels on the same mux is the restriction - but 2 tuners means you pretty much have no chance of recording clashes
[15:15] <BobSlob> hmm
[15:15] <BobSlob> anyone have any ideas why my recorded shows display no video (i hear the sound, and in the menu the video shows in the little window)
[15:17] <darthanubis> BobSlob, may have to remove and readd your capture card from the setup
[15:18] <darthanubis> anyone with nuvexport or nythexport experience?
[15:18] <darthanubis> mythexport
[15:19] <darthanubis> nuvexport is not renaming the file correctly
[15:19] <darthanubis> mmythexport is not working at all
[15:21] <darthanubis> nuvexport is not renaming the files it creates correctly, then end up like this %t_-__00_(04).avi
[15:29] <a1fa> what?
[15:29] <BobSlob> darthanubis: okay... although i dont see how that'll work... the video is recorded
[15:29] <a1fa> 3 MUX?
[15:29] <a1fa> wtf is a mux?
[15:29] <BobSlob> i can hear the sound, just no video
[15:30] <darthanubis> sorry
[15:30] <darthanubis> I miss understood the ?
[15:30] <BobSlob> oh.. np =D
[15:31] <darthanubis> !google | a1fa
[15:31] <ubotu> a1fa: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[15:31] <a1fa> what
[15:31] <a1fa> !google | ubotu
[15:31] <ubotu> ubotu: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[15:32] <darthanubis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demux
[15:33] <darthanubis> In electronics, a multiplexer or mux (occasionally the term muldex is also found, for a combination multiplexer-demultiplexer) is a device that performs multiplexing; it selects one of many analog or digital input signals and outputs that into a single line.
[15:33] <a1fa> ok
[15:33] <a1fa> so i dont get it what does have to do with recording 1 show 3 times
[15:33] <a1fa> doesnt make sence
[16:07] <BobSlob> someone mentioned to me, a plugin or something that could download missing episodes off usenet automagically within mythtv
[16:07] <BobSlob> any truth to that?
[16:08] <laga> no
[16:08] <laga> not gonna happen
[19:16] <Raspberry> hmm -- so my problem of mythtv-frontend not holding focus...  must have something to do with either the SVIDEO out to the TV (2nd display) or it has to do with the fact that I upgraded the mythtv box from 7.10 to 8.04 -- my 8.04 workstation that has been installed since Alpha2 -- works fine with the frontend
[19:17] <bogus-> is there also a way to setup mythbuntu via usb?
[19:18] <superm1> via usb stick?
[19:18] <superm1> yeah
[19:18] <superm1> you can copy all the contents of the iso to the stick
[19:18] <superm1> and then install grub/syslinux
[19:18] <superm1> or similar
[19:19] <laga> Raspberry: wait. you have a dualhead setup? yeah, mythfrontend tends to loose focus then, especially if you do work on the other head
[19:19] <bogus-> hmm nm, the machine doesn't support it :p
[19:27] <Raspberry> laga: the tv is the only head... i think i explaned things wrong earler :)
[19:28] <laga> ah
[19:39] <mary|myth> i just tried to give mythbuntu 8.04 a try, I'm using it as a live frontend
[19:39] <mary|myth> but it isn't able to play recorded programs
[19:40] <mary|myth> it gives: NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.11:6543/
[19:40] <mary|myth> the previews show up in the recorded programs window
[19:41] <mary|myth> and livetv works
[19:41] <mary|myth> ...i guess i just want to know if I'm doing something wrong or if i should report a bug
[19:44] <mary|myth> i think there should be a file appended after myth://192.168.1.11:6543/ but there isn't one
[19:44] <mary|myth> and i don't know why
[19:50] <superm1> mary|myth, is that on a secondary backend that you are connecting to?
[19:50] <superm1> or to a primary?
[19:51] <mary|myth> primary
[19:51] <superm1> hm okay then it isn't likely a recording prefix error
[19:52] <superm1> is that the right ip of the backend?
[19:52] <superm1> 192.168.1.11?
[19:52] <mary|myth> yeah
[19:52] <superm1> is it listening on that port?
[19:52] <superm1> try nmap..
[19:52] <mary|myth> my other frontends work :/
[19:52] <superm1> hm
[19:53] <superm1> what kind of video card?
[19:53] <superm1> maybe xv isn't working..
[19:53] <mary|myth> i did have to change the video player
[19:53] <mary|myth> but livetv from the backend is working
[19:53] <superm1> just recordings dont work?
[19:53] <superm1> wha?
[19:53] <mary|myth> yeah
[19:53] <superm1> that's really bzr...
[19:53] <mary|myth> and they show up in their preview
[19:54] <superm1> well the preview does different stuff
[19:54] <mary|myth> those silly mini-videos in the right corner
[19:54] <superm1> so i would think that's much to go on
[19:54] <superm1> do you have a secondary backend setup anywhere?
[19:54] <superm1> or have you ever?
[19:54] <mary|myth> i don't think so
[19:54] <superm1> possibly with the same hostname that you are using on the live disk
[19:54] <superm1> okay
[20:00] <mary|myth> i set it to always stream recordings from the backend, before that it was saying that it could find /home/mythtv i think
[20:13] <mary|myth> i just tried setting a different hostname in the mysql.txt and that didn't change anything
[20:17] <superm1> does the mythfrontend log indicate that error, or the backend log?
[20:18] <mary|myth> frontend
[20:18] <mary|myth> i don't see any errors in the backend
[20:18] <superm1> does the backend by chance complain at the same time about anything?
[20:19] <superm1>  hm
[20:19] <superm1> well could you by chance do an install from live disk somewhre?
[20:19] <superm1> and see if it persists upon install?
[20:20] <mary|myth> unfortunatly i don't can a computer to do it on right now
[20:20] <superm1> o
[20:20] <superm1> even to a flash drive?
[20:20] <mary|myth> no :/
[20:20] <mary|myth> thats why i was trying the live mythbuntu
[20:21] <superm1> i've had no issues with it in the past, so it's a bit surprising this is cropping up
[20:21] <superm1> especially if other frontends work
[20:23] <laga> (i sometimes get "recording not foundt" too but i havent investigated yet)
[20:26] <mary|myth> in one of my google searches, someone said they were missing a perl script
[20:26] <mary|myth> but didn't say what it was
[20:27] <mary|myth> just one of those "oh i fixed it, was missing a perl script"
[20:27] <superm1> shouldnt be using perl for anything at that time....
[20:27] <superm1> and anyhow libmyth-perl is installed already
[20:30] <laga> maybe optimize_mythdb.pl or myth.rebuilddatabase.pl but i doubt that.
[20:32] <superm1> especially on playback
[20:37] <mary|myth> i just noticed up two likes it gives: 2008-04-20 19:36:40.227 GetRecordBasename found no entry
[20:37] <laga> i used to see these 1-2 months ago, then i updated from trunk to 0.21, now it seems to be back..
[20:38] <laga> although it's still possible it's just a case of bad reception for me
[20:38] <superm1> mary|myth, can your database for consistency
[20:38] <superm1> see if you can repair some tables
[20:38] <superm1> mythweb has a nifty button for that
[20:39] <mary|myth> hm mythweb stopped working when it update to .21 and i haven't looked at it since
[20:39] <superm1> related issue possibly :)?
[20:39] <mary|myth> nm..
[20:39] <mary|myth> mythweb is fixed
[20:40] <mary|myth> i hadn't tried it in a long time
[20:40] <superm1> well you know an important question here then based on laga's statement
[20:40] <superm1> are you working off the 8.04 disk?
[20:40] <superm1> or 7.10
[20:40] <mary|myth> 8/04
[20:40] <superm1> yeah well try to repair the DB
[20:41] <superm1> see if there is any luck
[20:41] <mary|myth> my backend is debian
[20:43] <superm1> well no one's perfect ;)
[20:43] <mary|myth> heh, its my fiance's computer not mine
[20:44] <laga> just replace the sources.list, he'll never know
[20:44] <mary|myth> haha, i tried that one time on a computer of mine...it turned out very bad
[20:45] <mary|myth> i had a ubuntu install and wanted to turn it into a debian install...
[20:45] <laga> yes, i imagine..
[20:45] <laga> i tried to convert my ubuntu i386 into and amd64 install once
[20:45] <mary|myth> i didn't care too much if it got messed up, i just gave it a try
[20:45] <superm1> well its actually very doable
[20:45] <laga> superm1: i386->amd64?
[20:45] <superm1> yeah
[20:45] <superm1> you need to first have an update to date i386
[20:46] <superm1> and then debootstrap an amd64 into another directory
[20:46] <superm1> and over write everything in i386
[20:46] <superm1> and then use apt to reinstall everything
[20:46] <laga> hum
[20:46] <laga> i tried to do everything in place
[20:46] <superm1> yeah that's never gonna work
[20:46] <laga> installing the amd64 kernel went ok, but glibc sucked ;)
[20:46] <mary|myth> ok...my database is all 'OK'
[20:47] <superm1> well your fiance's database is okay.
[20:47] <superm1> but yeah
[20:48] <mary|myth> his computer, my tv
[20:48] <superm1> it was okay before, or it is "now'?
[20:48] <mary|myth> was ok before
[20:48] <superm1> hn
[20:48] <superm1> well makes for a perplexing problem then
[20:57] <laga> would be interesting to see the database entry for one of the affected recordings
[20:58] <mary|myth> *all* recordings are like this
[20:58] <mary|myth> but only with this frontend
[20:58] <superm1> are all the others the same os?
[20:58] <superm1> or what are they?
[20:58] <mary|myth> my laptop is running regular old ubuntu
[20:58] <superm1> 8.04?
[20:58] <mary|myth> gusty
[20:59] <superm1> hm
[20:59] <superm1> well the backport is still very similar to the 8.04
[20:59] <superm1> so it shouldnt be anything major between the two
[20:59] <superm1> could you try to set a diff hostname in the live frontend?
[20:59] <superm1> in the gui
[20:59] <superm1> so it gets fresh settings
[21:00] <mary|myth> yeah, i tried that
[21:00] <mary|myth> and i tried the hostname from my laptop
[21:00] <mary|myth> and both had the same result as before
[21:00] <superm1> perhaps try booting that live disk on your laptop
[21:00] <superm1> to rule out some weird hardware issue of this machine
[21:00] <superm1> since you know the hw in your laptop works
[21:00] <mary|myth> heh, my latop is ultra portable, it has no CD drive
[21:00] <mary|myth> and this hardware worked with debian
[21:01] <superm1> using a prop graphics drivers?
[21:01] <superm1> or open source
[21:01] <mary|myth> the intel one
[21:01] <mary|myth> same driver as my laptop
[21:01] <superm1> hm
[21:01] <mary|myth> ...and livetv streaming from the backend works
[21:02] <superm1> okay only other thing i could think is to bump the verbosity up on the frontend launch
[21:02] <laga> can you pastebin the whole frontend and backend log?
[21:06] <mary|myth> http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2737
[21:06] <mary|myth> that's the frontend
[21:11] <mary|myth> here is the end of the backend: http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2738
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.272 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):
[21:12] <superm1>                         Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.272 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket):
[21:12] <superm1>                         Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[21:12] <superm1> that doesn'g look very nice
[21:12] <superm1> nor that
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.273 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file ()
[21:12] <superm1> 2008-04-20 16:05:46.326 RingBuf() Error: Invalid file descriptor in
[21:12] <superm1> 'safe_read()'
[21:12] <superm1> you sure your other machines are working properly right now?
[21:12] <mary|myth> yup
[21:12] <mary|myth> just checked again
[21:13] <laga> i've had the same error messages
[21:13] <laga> let me look at my logs
[21:14]  * laga waits for his backend to power up
[21:17] <laga> mine seem different...
[21:17] <laga> backend:
[21:18] <laga> 2008-04-20 22:17:23.034 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg): Could not open /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg.
[21:18] <laga> 2008-04-20 22:17:23.039 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/56621_20080420165800.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'
[21:18] <laga> frontend: 2008-04-20 22:18:04.944 Error: File 'myth://192.168.0.118:6543/56628_20080419221300.mpg' missing.
[21:18] <laga> _lots_ of these.
[21:19]  * laga looks at the database
[21:20] <mary|myth> i think mine might have been from when i tried to delete a recording from the live frontend
[21:20] <mary|myth> it didn't register i deleted it until i left the recrdings menu and went back into it
[21:21] <mary|myth> but it did actually delete it
[21:23] <laga> the recording i'm currently looking actually doesn't exist. so we might not have the same problem.
[21:23] <laga> mary|myth: you can try to change the LocalHostName in mysql.txt.. so you start with fresh settings
[21:23] <laga> on your frontend
[21:23] <mary|myth> i tried that already
[21:23] <laga> oh :/
[21:25] <laga> i used to have that problem when my BE and Fe had slightly different versions of mythtv.
[21:26] <laga> not saying that it's related, but it went away after upgrading to 0.21 :)
[21:27] <mary|myth> http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/2739 <- verbose one
[21:29] <laga> well, i dont see any error messages at all in that one?
[21:29] <laga> odd
[21:29] <laga> 'video_output' mean = '33340.60', std. dev. = '245.63', fps = '29.99'
[21:29] <laga> looks like its working?
[21:29] <mary|myth> see line 37
[21:30] <laga> ah, right.
[21:30] <laga> mary|myth: -v network might interesting, or -v database
[21:30] <laga> both will be huge
[21:30] <laga> you can also combine them ;)
[21:30] <laga> and why can i only ever find references to spongebob in my logs
[21:31] <laga> okay, looks like i need to rescan my transports.
[21:35] <mary|myth> SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1073' AND       starttime = '2008-04-20T02:00:00'
[21:35] <mary|myth> that is the query it is doing
[21:35] <mary|myth> and that is returning nothing
[21:37] <superm1> look at taht table and see what looks wrong related to it
[21:37] <superm1> perhaps a timezone issue?
[21:37] <laga> can you work out what the query is on other boxes?
[21:37] <superm1> are the locales on your other boxes different at all?
[21:38] <mary|myth> my other startimes dont' have the "T02" in them
[21:38] <mary|myth> instead there is a space there
[21:39] <laga> hum
[21:39] <laga> can you run  'export' on both boxes so we can see the environment? strip all sensitive information of course
[21:42]  * laga goes to sort his channel list
[21:44] <mary|myth> even without the "T" there isn't a recording at that time
[21:44] <mary|myth> it is 3 hours earlier
[21:45] <laga> mary|myth: can you please give us the output of "date" from both boxes?
[21:45] <mary|myth> Sun Apr 20 20:45:35 UTC 2008
[21:45] <mary|myth> Sun Apr 20 16:45:46 EDT 2008
[21:45] <laga> okay, and where are you located?
[21:46] <mary|myth> EDT
[21:46] <laga> well, can you see the problem? ;)
[21:46] <mary|myth> so, um, how do i change the timezone?
[21:46] <mary|myth> without a reboot
[21:46] <superm1> so sounds like we should have an option in the live frontend for settings timezone huh laga?
[21:46] <mary|myth> because usually i reboot
[21:46] <superm1> mary|myth, i think just tzselect
[21:46] <superm1> will do the trick
[21:47] <laga> oh neat
[21:47] <laga> superm1: no. people just need to have their time (zone) configured correctly
[21:47] <laga> oh
[21:47] <laga> in the _live_ frontend
[21:47] <laga> yeah.
[21:47] <superm1> yeah
[21:47] <laga> some graphical timezone thingamajic
[21:47] <mary|myth> i just used tzselect and date is still wrong
[21:48] <laga> hum
[21:48] <superm1> sudo tzselect?
[21:48] <laga>        Note that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you. Use ’dpkg-reconfigure tzdata’ to achieve this.
[21:48] <superm1> so that it updates /etc/localtime and stuch
[21:48] <mary|myth> yup
[21:48] <superm1> oh
[21:48]  * laga slaps superm1 
[21:48] <superm1> hey how am i supposed to know that
[21:48] <laga> heh
[21:48] <laga> i usually just update the symlink manually
[21:49] <superm1> what is the point of a utility to just "view" timezones
[21:49] <superm1> that seems incredibly un-useful
[21:49] <mary|myth> yay it works
[21:49] <laga> heh
[21:49] <mary|myth> thanks! :)
[21:49] <laga> yay
[21:49] <laga> :)
[21:49] <laga> and my backend works, too.
[21:49] <laga> at least i hope that :)
[21:49] <mary|myth> darn timezones
[21:49] <superm1> i think that we need an FAQ question on that
[21:49] <laga> yes
[21:50] <superm1> mary|myth, would you mind addin gthat to the FAQ?
[21:50] <mary|myth> is it just a wiki or something?
[21:50] <superm1> yeah it should be
[21:50] <laga> superm1: how's lost season 4?
[21:50] <laga> any good?
[21:51] <superm1> well even if it wasnt
[21:51] <superm1> would you stop watching?
[21:51] <mary|myth> where is the faq?
[21:51] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/FAQs
[21:51] <laga> superm1: no.
[21:51] <superm1> yeah see
[21:52] <mary|myth> there doesn't seem to be a 8.04 section
[21:52] <superm1> well that will pertain to 7.10 or 8.04
[21:52] <laga> superm1: i'll probably be importing season 4 on DVD
[21:52] <superm1> just a general question
[21:52] <superm1> laga, you can't just watch via the intarweb on abc's website?
[21:53] <laga> superm1: i'm not used to such generosity on part of media companies
[21:53] <superm1> well they might lock it down for .de
[21:54] <superm1> but that's how i've caught up on all the south park (www.southparkstudios.com)
[21:54] <laga> "only viewers within the united states can watch these full-length episodes"
[21:54] <laga> i knew i should have rented a server in .us.
[21:55] <superm1> that's so ridiculous
[21:55] <laga> yup :)
[21:56] <laga> superm1: can everyone in the US just watch them in HD on the intarwebs? that's very neat
[21:56] <superm1> yeah but it's all add ridden
[21:56] <laga> how much?
[21:56] <superm1> actually i dunno.  i've only ever used it to watch the start or end of an episode
[21:56] <superm1> that got cut off
[21:56] <laga> ah
[21:57] <laga> gah, i need to stop reading the episode description
[21:57] <superm1> some networks adblock works on though
[21:57] <superm1> like southpark's
[21:57] <superm1> so its not a bad deal at all then
[21:57] <laga> scrolling through 70 episodes of lost trying to find the correct one gives away lots of endings on my mythtv box ;)
[21:57] <laga> superm1: south park is ok