[00:34] <oklinux> how is vista basic compare to xubuntu ?
[00:39] <Stroganoff> tough question
[00:39] <Stroganoff> xubuntu is faster, thats for sure.
[00:40] <TheSheep> it's also cheaper :D
[00:45] <brynjolf> to make xubuntu look like vista (to take one example) you need to use config files
[00:45] <siggjen> vista doesn't have as fance 3d desktop either
[00:45] <siggjen> s/fance/fancy/
[00:46] <johnnylu> why doesn't my ubuntu boot but instead eject the cd at system reset?
[00:48] <TheSheep> johnnylu: to remind you to remove the livecd from the drive
[00:49] <johnnylu> ?
[00:49] <johnnylu> ?!
[00:49] <johnnylu> i'm not sure i understand
[00:50] <TheSheep> johnnylu: once you install ubuntu from the livecd and restart the system, you want to boot from the hdd, not from the cd, so it ejects it so that you are not surprised when your livecd boots again
[00:53] <johnnylu> thesheep, ok, but mine linux doesn't even boot
[00:54] <johnnylu> bbl
[03:23] <mfe> This OS rocks!
[03:23] <mfe> Thanks one and all
[03:24] <Stroganoff> it rocks even more in hardy (faster IMHO)
[03:24] <mfe> I'm still pinching myself
[03:25] <mfe> what's wrong with the new release?
[03:25] <Stroganoff> nothing
[03:25] <mfe> oh
[03:25] <mfe> you mean it gets better?
[03:25] <Stroganoff> yep
[03:25] <mfe> WOW!
[03:25] <mfe> ouch
[03:26] <mfe> i mean... wow
[03:26] <mfe> i can't wait til the Gnash project gets up to speed
[03:26] <mfe> do they take donations?
[03:27] <Stroganoff> i think so
[03:27] <Stroganoff> or maybe not
[03:30] <mfe> what's the best place to get a game of chess?
[03:30] <Stroganoff> www.gameknot.com
[03:30] <Stroganoff> they have real-time and max3to14 days per move
[03:31] <mfe> i like real time speed chess
[03:31] <mfe> thanks
[03:31] <Stroganoff> they call it "blitz chess"
[03:32] <mfe> that's the one
[03:32] <mfe> will i be able to install hardy over a network connection?
[03:32] <Stroganoff> yes
[03:33] <mfe> do tell...
[03:33] <Stroganoff> use the upgrade manager in your settings menu
[03:33] <mfe> what?
[03:33] <mfe> yer kiddin
[03:33] <mfe> awesome!
[03:34] <Stroganoff> Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
[03:34] <mfe> why, Stroganoff are you being sarcastic?
[03:34] <mfe> lol
[03:35] <Stroganoff> linux folks are used to upgrading over internet since al gore invented it ;)
[03:36] <mfe> you mean that Penguin lover?
[03:37] <Stroganoff> no
[03:40] <mfe> take care stroganoff
[03:41] <Stroganoff> i'm trying
[03:45] <latitu> iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)?
[03:50] <adude> how do i lock the screen?
[03:50] <Stroganoff>  If you search the forums for partimage.org you'll find another solution was to press the scroll-lock key every .5 or 1GB or so. latitu. it sounds strange.
[03:51] <adude> never mind i figured it out.
[03:51] <Stroganoff> adude, the logout button should offer screen locking
[03:52] <latitu> Stroganoff the error comes in the start
[04:09] <latitu> if i dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz      , it will copy data including freespace too or just files ?
[04:19] <latitu> how to completely check a partition? ext3
[06:27] <zeke> anyone ever get a "Buffer I/O error on device sr*" when trying to install?
[06:29] <GregoryPew> how do I change the system font size.  all my text has freaked out and dropped to size 4 or 6?
[06:30] <gnub_daemon> I think it should probably be under the Settings tab in the maun menu...not positive on that tough
[06:31] <gnub_daemon> sp due to typing with a cig in one hand
[06:32] <GregoryPew> chnging the font in the desktop setings only changes the font size of the desktop icon, and only when I tell it to ignore the system font.  Changing it in windows manager font size only effects window titlebars.
[06:32] <GregoryPew> User interface doesn't efect it either.
[06:34] <gnub_daemon> oh...I haven't the slightest then...I really only use xubuntu for mythtv
[11:19] <Banan_wii> hi all
[11:19] <Banan_wii> is it possible to install printer without having root privileges?
[11:41] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: yes, just use the settings->printing dialog
[11:42] <Banan_wii> it shows me only small window with ListBox with 2 obj : None and CUPS .... no preferences button there
[11:43] <Banan_wii> openoffice shows no printer installed
[11:43] <nikolam> Banan_wii, Not in System menu. Look for it in Settings menu. Settings>Printing
[11:45] <TheSheep> Banan_wii: not the 'default printer', but the 'printing'
[11:45] <Banan_wii> i have only something like "settings of printing system"
[11:46] <Banan_wii> and HPLIP Toolbox
[11:46] <Banan_wii> 6.06 ver
[11:46] <TheSheep> ah
[11:46] <TheSheep> that's so old
[11:46] <TheSheep> I think the printer config was added alter
[11:47] <TheSheep> later
[11:48] <Banan_wii> AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
[11:48] <Banan_wii> its LTS .... is there any way to install this?
[11:49] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[11:49] <TheSheep> I guess you need root to enable configuration by an user
[11:51] <TheSheep> note that xubuntu doesn't even have normal commercial support by canonical
[12:12] <owen1> just installed xubuntu and i love it!
[12:12] <owen1> it's just like gnome but awesome.
[12:13] <owen1> is it safe to apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:13] <ere4si> did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[12:14] <owen1> ere4si: yes
[12:14] <ere4si> owen1: then yep - updates will be fine
[12:15] <owen1> ere4si: what do u mean?
[12:16] <ere4si> owen1: having no *buntu-desktop can bork updates  sometimes
[12:16] <owen1> ere4si: so i should keep ubuntu-desktop ?
[12:17] <ere4si> owen1: if you have xubuntu-desktop it will be fine - most likely would be fine either way - just being careful here :)
[12:18] <owen1> ere4si: ok
[12:19] <owen1> ere4si: how do u change the alt+F2 function to be different key combo? i couldn't find it in the shortcuts section.
[12:20] <owen1> (and it was possible in gnome)
[12:20] <TheSheep> owen1: in keyboard settings
[12:20] <ere4si> owen1: I don't use keyboard shortcuts sorry - have a bottom panel setup as a dock for apps
[12:20] <TheSheep> owen1: note that not everything that was possible in gnome is possible in xfce, and vice versa
[12:22] <owen1> TheSheep: got it..i really want to replace the alt+F2 with something else...i did it in gnome...
[12:25] <TheSheep> yeah, you get used to personalized shortcuts
[12:27] <owen1> TheSheep: can i accomplish it from the CLI maybe?
[12:28] <TheSheep> owen1: settings->keyboard settings->shortcuts
[12:29] <owen1> in Xubuntu it's in settings->settings manager->keaboard->shortcuts. the problem is that i can't see there alt+F2...
[12:30] <owen1> alt+F2 is the combo that opens the 'run application' form.
[12:30] <owen1> it's much faster than katapult.
[12:31] <ere4si> why change it?
[12:31] <owen1> ere4si: since i use it so often, i like to open it with the window key. it's faster for me.
[12:32] <owen1> ere4si: if i don't find it i switch back to gnome.
[12:32] <owen1> (kidding)
[12:33] <ere4si> hehe
[12:35] <TheSheep> owen1: click on the plus button to create your own set of shortcuts, then you can edit it
[12:48] <owen1> TheSheep: i know, but there is no 'run application'.
[12:49] <owen1> TheSheep: wait...
[12:49] <owen1> TheSheep: i think i found it
[12:55] <bebraw> does xubuntu (hardy) recall which programs were open the last time you closed it?
[12:57] <TheSheep> bebraw: only if you check the 'save session' checkbox when closing
[12:57] <TheSheep> bebraw: and only with the programs that actually uspport sessions
[12:57] <bebraw> TheSheep, cool. that's the ~one~ feature keeping me in kubuntu :)
[12:57] <TheSheep> it doesn't work perfectly
[12:58] <bebraw> hardy should come in a couple days, right?
[12:58] <TheSheep> yes, but this feature is in xfce since like 2 years
[12:58] <owen1> TheSheep: you are right. it's there. the problem i have is it doesn't recognize the windows key!
[12:58] <owen1> TheSheep: windows+a works, but windows alone does not...
[12:59] <bebraw> TheSheep, does hardy handle changes in screen configuration (change one screen to two on the fly) fine?
[12:59] <TheSheep> owen1: I think you need to edit the ~/.config/xfce4/shortcuts/XXXX.xml manually and put Super_L in there
[12:59] <owen1> TheSheep: ok, thanks!
[13:00] <TheSheep> bebraw: there is no gui dialog for doing it, but you can do it with xrandr just fine
[13:01] <bebraw> alright. great
[13:02] <owen1> under 'session and startups' there are 2 checkboxes:launch gnome services / launch kde services. which one (if any do i need)?
[13:03] <TheSheep> owen1: you don't need any of them, but you can check them if you want the gnome/kde apps to startup faster
[13:03] <TheSheep> owen1: it will startup some gnome/kde helper programs on startup. otherwise they are started when you start an application that uses them
[13:03] <ere4si> owen1: you used to have ubuntu which uses gnome so choose gnome
[13:04] <owen1> ere4si: cool
[13:04] <ere4si> :)
[13:05] <owen1> ere4si: is xfce being updated often? i guess it's less known since the default is gnome.
[13:05] <ere4si> owen1: I couldn't say - I only experience it through xubuntu
[13:06] <TheSheep> owen1: xfce is updated very unregularly, as it's a hobby project
[13:07] <TheSheep> owen1: gnome on th other hand is updated every 6 months
[13:07] <owen1> TheSheep: i wonder why is it faster than gnome? what makes it fast?
[13:07] <TheSheep> owen1: it does much less and in simpler ways
[13:08] <TheSheep> owen1: also, it's has better internal structure, because it was designed, not "grown"
[13:08] <TheSheep> gnome pretty much just happened :)
[13:08] <TheSheep> although there is a lot of effort to clean up gnome
[13:11] <owen1> TheSheep: i was surprised that the default for doc is not openoffice. abiword is faster!
[13:12] <TheSheep> owen1: yeach, xubuntu tries to choose the faster/smaller programs, although it's often at the cost of less functionality
[13:12] <TheSheep> owen1: for example, Thunar can't browse windows network
[13:13] <TheSheep> owen1: not by itself, you need to use smbfs fr it
[13:13] <TheSheep> for
[13:14] <owen1> TheSheep: so if i have windows machine in my intranet i need samba?
[13:15] <TheSheep> yes
[13:15] <TheSheep> at least if you want to use the windows's built-in file transfer
[13:33] <owen1> is there a shortcut to 'places'?
[13:34] <TheSheep> afaik no
[14:00] <sprauekraut> I seem to be having a problem with my wireless connection. I have a broadcom and have to use a restricted driver (43xx). Lately my connection has been dropping about every hour, if i go into the system network settings and uncheck/re-check the checkbox next to my my wireless device, and submit the changes, it works again.  Xubuntu 7.10
[14:01] <sprauekraut> some more useful information, i use WEP and static IP
[14:02] <sprauekraut> so, would anyone know why it drops connection periodically, and how to fix it?
[14:05] <S0210> Hi! I have Xubuntu 8.04 beta and found a file named /etc/boa/boa.conf although I do not have boa at all. Is it meantto be like this?
[14:07] <TheSheep> S0210: did you uninstall anything?
[14:10] <S0210> A few things... But I never had boa.
[14:16] <TheSheep> maybe something used it
[14:16] <TheSheep> did you uninstall it with the --purge option?
[14:19] <S0210> TheSheep: I can't answer. I use(d) Synaptic and I (un)installed quite a few applications. None of which required a webserver to best of my knowledge...
[14:20] <S0210> TheSheep: But if anybody else has the same directory/file then probably that is what happened
[14:22] <TheSheep> S0210: no, no boa.conf here
[14:23] <TheSheep> S0210: synaptic doesn't list anything under 'Not installed (residual config)'?
[14:26] <S0210> Ahm... there is something
[14:28] <S0210> It says boa is bot installed although under properties at the "installed files" tab I can see a few files. Including the one I mentioned above...
[14:28] <S0210> bot = not
[14:33] <S0210> Removed...
[14:46] <S0210> How to modify the menu? I open Xfce4-MenuEditor but the menu.xml doesn't have the already existing items.
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: they are automatically generated from the installed programs
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: but you can add your own
[14:47] <TheSheep> S0210: just create the submenus and items you want, they will be merged together
[14:48] <S0210> How to create submenu?
[14:49] <TheSheep> S0210: add new item and select 'submenu' as the item kind
[14:50] <S0210> TheSheep: I nthe Xfce4-MenuEditor?
[14:50] <S0210> TheSheep: For /home/<user>/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml?
[14:52] <TheSheep> S0210: um, you click on the "+" and select 'Submenu" from the "Type:" dropbox
[14:54] <S0210> Oh, I see
[14:56] <S0210> Is there a way to modify the other menus? (E.g. mouse-right-click on desktop menu)
[14:56] <TheSheep> make sure you create the submenu entries *above* the include
[14:57] <Stroganoff> S0210 you can add custom user actions
[15:04] <S0210> OK, it would be fine this way...
[15:05] <S0210> Another question... in case of pluging a pendrive into the USB I see something strange
[15:05] <S0210> For tail -f /var/log/messages I got the following messages
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.488549] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.488914] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.490110] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 3963904 512-byte hardware sectors (2030 MB)
[15:05] <S0210> Apr 20 16:03:26 zsofiandris-desktop kernel: [14307.490447] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[15:05] <S0210> (sorry for flooding)
[15:06] <S0210> Doesn't it means that it thinks that I plugged two pendrives? Why is it comming twice?
[15:07] <Stroganoff> try my custom user actions: http://home.arcor.de/stroganoff/uca.xml
[15:07] <Stroganoff> copy this to ~/.config/Thunar
[15:08] <TheSheep> S0210: arent all the extract* actions handled by the archive plugin automatically?
[15:08] <Stroganoff> yeah i haven't that installed
[15:09] <TheSheep> -_-
[15:09] <Stroganoff> (that archive plugin)
[15:09] <Stroganoff> your usb problem is strange, i dunno
[15:23] <gar1> hi peeps!  anyone remember the name of that program for accessing a ntfs drive?
[15:25] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[15:25] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[15:26] <gar1> ntfs-3go the bot told me
[15:30] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[15:30] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:44] <Matti_A> !wifi
[15:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:32] <CriSiS> hola
[17:32] <CriSiS> i have a problem with compiz
[17:32] <CriSiS> i installed it and it works 100%
[17:32] <CriSiS> the only matter is that i loose the window decoration
[17:33] <CriSiS> i mean i don't have window bar with buttons to close, enlarge, minimize and so
[17:33] <CriSiS> but if i install emerald i have it all...
[19:09] <slimjimflim> hello if i wanted to start from scratch w/ sound card drivers and/or mixers, other than alsa, amixer and xfcemixer is there anything else important i should be deleting/removing?
[19:10] <slimjimflim> to clarify, i'm not trying to avoid those programs, just trying to figure out what to delete
[19:10] <slimjimflim> for now
[20:19] <mikubuntu> i think i found a bug in the rc of xub 804 alt installer, are there devs in here to speak to about it?
[20:20] <Cromag> !bugs
[20:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:23] <nikolam> If I want to make *.rar archives? What should I use? rar archiver in repository is non-free but says it will stop working after 30 days. Do I reely need rar for vobsub compresiion like stated in dvd::rip program?
[21:27] <slimjimflim> nikolam `sudo apt-get install rar`
[21:27] <slimjimflim> i think
[21:28] <slimjimflim> and unrar
[21:28] <slimjimflim> unrar is non-free
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> hey, any ideas about good GRUB options to prevent USB from crashing on a pre-2000 PC? so far I have "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi pci=biosirq acpi=off" without those I don't even get automount of USB sticks
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu gutsy btw
[21:33] <PsynoKhi0> the above options worked well once...
[21:35] <owen1> when changing the keyboard layout, i loose it after restart.
[21:35] <nikolam> slimjimflim, Thanks, but it is saying that rar will stop functioning after 30 days..
[21:36] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Hey, if it is working eith those settings, why to change it?
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: because it workED once
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> i.e; not anymore :)
[21:37] <nikolam> hmm, on gutsy?
[21:37] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[21:38] <nikolam> hm, so that is the same install, same hardware but ..
[21:39] <slimjimflim> nikolam? for real?
[21:40] <nikolam> slimjimflim, yes, it is saying like that in synaptic. there is both free and non-free unarar but rar is only non-free and 30 days limited on linux, i think.
[21:40] <slimjimflim> i've never had any non-free software stop working
[21:40] <slimjimflim> lemme see if mine still works, i've had it longer than 30 days
[21:41] <nikolam> slimjimflim, 40 days, not 30 days ;)
[21:42] <slimjimflim> whatever
[21:43] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63868/
[21:43] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Does Usb is crashing but the rest of the system works fine?
[21:44] <nikolam> Maybe you should look what modules kernel loads for that USB
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: yes
[21:44] <nikolam> try lsusb lspci etc
[21:44] <PsynoKhi0> uhci_hcd
[21:44] <nikolam> to figure out what usb controller it is
[21:45] <nikolam> Maybe you should try to also recompile cernel and use it temporeraly before you find solution based on loading modules
[21:45] <nikolam> Also,. try to use older kernel selecting it from grub
[21:46] <nikolam> If it works with previous kernel image (before some gutsy update) maybe you should post bug report about newer one..
[21:46] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: ok my bad, maybe my sentence was confusing
[21:46] <nikolam> If it works after clean gutsy install with those options but not after updates of gutsy, than it`s a bug for report i think
[21:48] <PsynoKhi0> when I said "it worked once" I meant really, once, like... booted after changing the GRUB options, all went fine... reboot again, crash
[21:48] <nikolam> slimjimflim, I misread it, it is needed to only register it after 40 days, maybe it will keep working after that, too..
[21:48] <PsynoKhi0> didn't work in Feisty either
[21:48] <nikolam> ah..
[21:48] <slimjimflim> my file roller handles it so i don't mess w/ rar much
[21:48] <nikolam> did you try some other linux distro, maybe problem is ubuntu-related?
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> nikolam: only thing I've tried is PuppyLinux, which broked too
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> borked*
[21:49] <nikolam> slimjimflim, yes, I use file-roller too. And i don`t make .rar`s anymore. But dvd::rip want to have it installed so i was thinking..
[21:50] <slimjimflim> have you tried to rip anything yet?
[21:51] <nikolam> PsynoKhi0, Try to figure out first what usb controller /on mb is that , then maybe u can use it to trace solution for your usb. I suggest that maybe some Bios option is broken or usb itself, ot Linuxes ;,)
[21:51] <nikolam> slimjimflim, I will try ;)
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> the USB controller is marked as VT83xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1
[21:52] <PsynoKhi0> oops VT82xxxxx
[21:52] <nikolam> so it`s via
[21:52] <PsynoKhi0> yes, MVP3 chipset, Super7
[21:53] <nikolam> Hmmm mvp3 is known to have ALl sort of problems, Even on Windows I remember that Super7..
[21:55] <nikolam> that is pentioum 1 MoBo, If I can remember..
[21:55] <nikolam> or p2..
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> running a K6-2 500 on it
[21:59] <nikolam> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/51771
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 51771 in linux-source-2.6.15 "crash when plugging in a USB device with the USB 2.0 driver (dup-of: 50610)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:59] <nikolam> "As you can see from bug #50610, this behaviour only occours when ACPI BIOS is disabled."
[21:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50610
[22:00] <nikolam> You can reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/50610
[22:00] <nikolam> if you want
[22:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50610 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel hangs on USB-devices without panic" [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:04] <PsynoKhi0> hmmm... from the description, sounds like the whole computer hangs... not really my case
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> brb trying something
[22:39] <jcp> hi, i'm kind of confused by xubuntu's terminal. when i try to use the terminal from applications, all it does is log me out. does anyone know why this happens?
[22:42] <jcp> seems like xserver is crashing and restarting
[22:45] <nikolam> ? jcp Ctrl+Alt+F7 is X server
[22:51] <brynjolf> How do I list my fonts in xubuntu+_
[22:53] <jcp> i'm not sure off the top of my head, but check synaptic for a font manager