[00:00] <sparr> when i see the Configuration File Changed (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) prompt...
[00:00] <sparr> what does synaptic do?
[00:00] <cwillu> lilkreen, still there?
[00:00] <cwillu> teamcobra, :/  just checked the changes for 2.6.24-13, nothing in there stuck out as related
[00:01] <chrisas> joshjosh,  perhaps you can boot a different kernel ?
[00:01] <lilkreen> yeah
[00:01] <teamcobra> I missed the ones inbetween -12 and -15
[00:01] <nugz1212> wine-doors + 8.04 = smooth or does it have problems?
[00:01] <lilkreen> poking around dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't offer any display reconfiguring anymore, heh
[00:01] <teamcobra> doesn; work in the newest either
[00:01] <joshjosh> it was working fine under gutsy. i did an update-manager install and now it's all completely distorted. did the kernel change?
[00:02] <nugz1212> i get a huge list of errors when i launch winedoors
[00:02] <chrisas> joshjosh,  yes the kernel changed 3 versions up
[00:02] <nugz1212> normally its just "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000"
[00:02] <chrisas> joshjosh,  but you can / should be able to choose the old ones @ boot
[00:02] <nugz1212> only about 600 times
[00:03] <cwillu> teamcobra, so it works in -12, doesn't in -15, and you're not sure about -13 or -14?
[00:03] <nugz1212> then it launches but doesant install stuff
[00:03] <chrisas> joshjosh, just to check, but its bullshit to run with the old kernel
[00:03] <joshjosh> chrisas, i'll give it a shot.
[00:03] <teamcobra> right-o
[00:03] <chrisas> joshjosh,  if the problem persits you should go to the kernel guys @ #linux
[00:03] <joshjosh> yeah. i might be switching distros if this is hard to fix. i'm getting kind of worn out on ubuntu.
[00:03] <cwillu> lilkreen, does it do it constantly, or only (for instance), after you haven't touched the computer for 10 seconds or so?
[00:03] <joshjosh> i'm going to try out a different kernel. be back, hopefully hah
[00:03] <nugz1212> anybody got wine-doors running fine on heron?
[00:03] <lilkreen> constantly straight from the progress screen before logon
[00:04] <lilkreen> my the output screens when I logoff and such are completely useless, I can't read anything on them
[00:04] <chrisas> hehe
[00:04] <cwillu> lilkreen, just on a hunch, can you disable 'dim on idle' in the power management settings
[00:05] <lilkreen> HAL doesn't report any brightness control to anything, the button hasn't worked since they broke it
[00:05] <JediMaster> am I right in thinking the AMD64 and i386 distros run two different kernels? as I'm getting IO-APIC panics on an i386 live install cd and not on the amd64 (noacpi on the kernel line "fixes" it)
[00:05] <lilkreen> it works just after GRUB loads though so I change the brightness there
[00:05] <nugz1212> has anyone in here got wine-doors running successfully i need some help with it
[00:06] <chrisas> JediMaster, differently compiled kernels but from the same version i think , i got  2.6.24-16-generic on 64bit
[00:06] <JediMaster> chrisas: thanks, just seems odd that one kernel panics and the other doesn't
[00:06] <nugz1212> i dont know if its a wine problem or something else
[00:06] <peter77> akk: top?
[00:06] <nugz1212> keep getting ""preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000""
[00:07] <JediMaster> chrisas: yes, that's the exact same version I got from uname -a in the live cd on i386
[00:08] <peter77> akk: could compiz cause overheating?
[00:08]  * nugz1212 needs wine-doors help on 8.04
[00:09] <burner> nugz1212: happy holiday ;)
[00:09] <nugz1212> ?
[00:09] <akk> peter77: I don't know, but top will show the top cpu users
[00:09]  * burner just guessed at something from the nick
[00:09] <burner> nevermind
[00:09] <nugz1212> huh?
[00:09] <nugz1212> good god
[00:10] <burner> as for wine doors, que es una problema?
[00:10] <burner> install from source and it works here
[00:10] <nugz1212> i keep getting "preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000"
[00:10] <nugz1212> about 600 times when laucnhed in console
[00:11] <burner> 0.1.2 or 0.2 development?
[00:11] <nugz1212> i installed it from the .deb
[00:11] <lilkreen> Cwillu: hrm... turning off the dim backlight seems to keep it from shimmering
[00:11] <lilkreen> it's never done what it's suppose to though
[00:11] <nugz1212> uhm 0.1.2
[00:12] <burner> nugz1212: i'm sorry, i'm not sure what to say... try dumping your .wine-doors prefs?
[00:12] <cwillu> lilkreen, it's new afaik
[00:12] <nugz1212> and i do that how?
[00:13] <peter77> akk, compiz doesn't seem to use a lot of system resources at all
[00:13] <nugz1212> im gonna try a purge then reinstall from source
[00:13] <cwillu> nugz1212, you don't have preload installed do you?
[00:13] <burner> nugz1212: there is a hidden directory in your home directory called ".wine-doors"    just try removing it
[00:13] <winger> Hi
[00:13] <lilkreen> gah, now the screen's garbled on unsuspend
[00:13] <nugz1212> okay
[00:13] <nugz1212> wats preload
[00:13] <akk> peter77: It might have been someone else telling you something about compiz, I know nothing about it myself
[00:13] <cwillu> teamcobra, what chipset was it again?
[00:14] <insomninja> each time I start firefox, it says that four new addons have been installed, language packs by the looks of it, but there seems to be no way to dismiss the window so it won't come up the next time I start firefox, help?
[00:14] <cwillu> nugz1212, synaptic has a description
[00:14] <burner> nugz1212: wine-doors from the .deb just worked here
[00:14] <nugz1212> k
[00:14] <winger> Ugh.  8.04 RC deleted /media/cdrom :P
[00:15] <nugz1212> i dont have preload, would that help?
[00:15] <nugz1212> if i installed it
[00:15] <cwillu> no, just checking
[00:15] <cwillu> don't install it
[00:15] <nugz1212> k
[00:15] <cwillu> teamcobra, https://launchpad.net/bugs/184600 _might_ be related
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184600 in linux "ssb error while loading wifi module b43" [Medium,Confirmed]
[00:16] <peter77> akk: I just wondered if it could cause conflict etc
[00:16] <cwillu> or https://launchpad.net/bugs/85247
[00:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85247 in linux-source-2.6.22 "bcm203x firmware will not load" [Medium,Fix released]
[00:17] <lilkreen> Cwillu: it doesn't shimmer now that the dim while idle is off, but it doesn't come back from suspends anymore. mode's screwed into something it doesn't support.
[00:18] <cwillu> lilkreen, since you turned off dim-while-idle?  that sounds odd
[00:18] <lilkreen> yeah
[00:18] <cwillu> i.e., it works if you turn it back on?
[00:18] <lilkreen> I'm trying that now, rebooting so I can see what I'm doing, heh
[00:18] <cwillu> because I'm doubting the two are related :p
[00:20] <phoul> Hey all, I was wondering if anyone here has messed with kde4
[00:21] <mooboo1> Ubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" is in only 3 days!
[00:22] <winger> I never did take a linking to KDE...
[00:22] <winger> liking, that is.
[00:23] <cwillu> gnome has a saner setup out of the box I find
[00:23] <Miineti> chrisas: jockey-gtk isnt much of a help
[00:23] <winger> And I like Xubuntu even more.
[00:24] <cwillu> I can tweak kde to nicer than gnome, but I hate tweaking a box for an hour before I can start to use it :)
[00:24] <cwillu> I'm told xfce is getting nice these days
[00:24] <winger> except the bugger deleted /dev/cdrom when I upgraded
[00:24] <cwillu> oooo, new cgroup related emails?
[00:24] <winger> xfce is heavier than I would like... but hell, the memory upgrade was $20.
[00:25] <winger> So screw it
[00:25] <DanaG> I suuuure hope they FIX that scheduler issue by then!
[00:25] <lilkreen> cwilu: same thing, maybe it's related to that inital dpkg setting... I hope I don't have to trade flicker for suspend, heh.
[00:27] <cwillu> DanaG, I've just been echo 10000>/sys/kernel/uuid/1000/cpu_share, but there's still a latency problem switching between user domains
[00:27] <LibertyShadow> Ugh I want the XPS M1330... but I see so many bad reviews...
[00:28] <LibertyShadow> wrong channel
[00:33] <julie> I can't change the system language back to english its stuck
[00:33] <DanaG> eth1, Linksys USB10T Ethernet Adapter, 30:01:00:00:00:00
[00:34] <DanaG> WTF kind of MAC address is that?
[00:34] <DanaG> The sticker on the device says 00:E0:98:7D:4C:7E
[00:35] <akk> Some net cards start out with zeroes, then set the real mac address after loading firmware
[00:36] <akk> though I think that's more common for wifi than for wired
[00:36] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone use wifi-radar with wpa-psk
[00:36] <Miineti> chrisas?
[00:37] <akk> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/153727 has some discussion (and pointers to other things written about it)
[00:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153727 in debian "Ethernet device's number increases by one after every reboot" [Undecided,New]
[00:39] <teamcobra> cwillu: hrm, looks like I shall try rolling my own 2.6.25 deb w/ restricted modules and see if I can make this an easy thing for those w/ bcm4311s ;)
[00:39] <teamcobra> cwillu, thanks for the heads up on the launchpad bug, at least now I can make a workaround, I am sure a lot of people have these cards
[00:39] <teamcobra> I have 2 laptops w/ them myself ;)
[00:40] <DanaG> "If the LSB red is 1"
[00:40] <DanaG> color red?
[00:41] <DanaG> And isn't the 30:01 completely invalid?
[00:41] <cwillu> teamcobra, as long as your rolling your own, you'd make a few people happy if config_fair_cgroup_sched was enabled and _user_sched was turned off in the kernel config :p
[00:42] <DanaG> Odd... I triggered rfkill, and iwl3945 actually seemed to unload itself.
[00:42] <DanaG> turn on kill switch
[00:42] <DanaG> a few of:   MAC is in deep sleep!  WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC
[00:42] <teamcobra> cwillu: will make a note of that, as I am making a custom hardy spin for my business
[00:43] <teamcobra> (which will be distributed all over, and credit given to ubuntu on both the dvd/sleeve
[00:43] <DanaG> PCI interrupt disabled.  PCI interrupt up.  Writing back config space.  Radio disabled by RF Kill switch.  PCI interrupt disabled.
[00:43] <aLeSD> hi all
[00:44] <aLeSD> I just installed the 8.04 RC
[00:44] <aLeSD> and I have got a prblem with X
[00:44] <aLeSD> I have a nvidia card :
[00:44] <aLeSD> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 64M] (rev a1)
[00:44] <cwillu> teamcobra, well, let me know (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226 is the bug in question)
[00:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[00:45] <aLeSD> and Xorg are using nv driver I think ... and fonts are smoked
[00:45] <aLeSD> very smoked : it's hard tio read
[00:46] <aLeSD> I'm tring to load the nvidia driver but I got this error
[00:46] <aLeSD> modprobe nvidia
[00:46] <aLeSD> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:46] <akk> I had a font problem when I upgraded to hardy, but supposedly it's been fixed
[00:46] <akk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212669
[00:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212669 in x-ttcidfont-conf "newly installed fonts don't show up in hardy" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:46] <teamcobra> aLeSD: edit your xorg.conf using sudo to be root when you do it
[00:46] <aLeSD> in the xorg.conf I found that there is nothing in Card section
[00:47] <aLeSD> teamcobra: have a look
[00:47] <teamcobra> aLeSD, hmm, add your own line then, and use the driver nvidia
[00:47] <aLeSD> Section "Device"
[00:47] <aLeSD>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[00:47] <aLeSD> EndSection
[00:47] <teamcobra> weird, I have to run, pick my friend up from work
[00:47] <cwillu> that's the new way of doing things :p
[00:47] <cwillu> just add the driver "nvidia"
[00:47] <aLeSD> is the new Xorg configuring itself on tyhe run ?
[00:48] <cwillu> ttyl
[00:48] <cwillu> yes
[00:48] <doofy_> does anyone know how to get a bluetooth headset working in hardy with pulseaudio? I have it connected, but the option to put sound through it doesnt show up in skype
[00:48] <winger> Sorry, doofy_. nope.
[00:48] <teamcobra> doofy: install pavucontrol (its a package)
[00:48] <teamcobra> will help you route things around in pulseaudio
[00:48] <teamcobra> brb all
[00:48] <mooboo1> plz put 2.6.25 in repo
[00:49] <aLeSD> coming back
[00:49] <teamcobra> mooboo1: I am rolling my own 2.6.25 debs, will announce them when they;re done
[00:49] <winger> Hmmm.  I upgraded t the release candidate... how will I upgrade when the 8.04 is actually released?
[00:49] <teamcobra> for all of the people that need them
[00:49] <mooboo1> teamcobra, awesome
[00:49] <doofy_> teamcobra, doesnt look like its showing up
[00:50] <teamcobra> weird, I installed it last night w/ sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[00:50] <teamcobra> brb
[00:50] <doofy_> no pavucontrol is there but the device isnt
[00:50] <teamcobra> hmm, not sure offhand
[00:50] <teamcobra> brb
[00:51] <cwillu> winger, normal update-manager
[00:51] <winger> too easy :)
[00:51] <winger> thanks, cwillu
[00:53] <peter78> my computer is freezing/ overheating whilst playing iplayer (by adobe flash) in full screen
[00:53] <DanaG> I wish they'd fix that damn scheduler.
[00:54] <DanaG> And what's with that screwy MAC address?
[00:54] <cwillu> DanaG, well, I wish they had merged swap-prefetch :p
[00:57] <aLeSD> hi all
[00:57] <aLeSD> now it is using the vesa driver
[00:58] <aLeSD> I remember something somewhere that banned the driver ..
[00:58] <aLeSD> I really don't know where
[00:58] <aLeSD> someone has a nvidia ?
[00:59] <Miineti> whatd i do, when my restricted manager doesnt realize the fritz wlan stick?
[00:59] <aLeSD> it says failed to load nvidia driver : module doesn'r exist
[00:59] <aLeSD> ah ah
[00:59] <climatewarrior> can anyone give me a direct link to download kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix by torrent?
[00:59] <climatewarrior> havent found it on the net and the offical page is so slow
[01:00] <aLeSD> strange I'm pretty sure that I have nvidia modules installed
[01:00] <spiroo> How do I upgrade to 8.04 RC without the dist-upgrade-devel command which not is working for me.
[01:00] <spiroo> I got this "error": "python: can't open file '/tmp/kde-spiroo/adept_managerXwytgb.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[01:01] <doofy_> ive got this bluetooth earpiece connected, but i can not get it to show up in any applications for use
[01:02] <ISS_Student> So when the offical release happens will I need to do much if I am running the beta?
[01:02] <DanaG> doofy_: ﻿http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4731782
[01:03] <aLeSD> quit
[01:03] <DanaG> You can make it always do the pactl stuff by putting it in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[01:04] <doofy_> Failure: Timeout on the first one :-/
[01:05] <climatewarrior> can anyone give me a direct link to download kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix by torrent
[01:05] <winger> ISS_Student: I was informed you update through update-manager
[01:06] <odious> hi guys. just wondering if i install the beta, can i just use apt-get dist-upgrade to the release when it's out in 3 days?
[01:07] <icanhas> odious: sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , yes
[01:07] <Amaranth> Yes
[01:07] <odious> thanks guys
[01:08] <Amaranth> odious: it'll be a somewhat large download though
[01:08] <doofy_> DanaG, no luck with those commands, i just tried restarting too... any other ideas?
[01:09] <odious> Amaranth: i suppose every package has a new version on release?
[01:09] <Amaranth> odious: No, not every package
[01:09] <Amaranth> Just half the desktop install :P
[01:09] <odious> Amaranth: heh right :)
[01:23] <ISS_Student> Thanks Winger
[01:23] <susanoo> anyone here on a PS3 ?
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: hardy isn't ported to ps3 yet
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: there is a ps3 ubuntu site
[01:24] <ikonia> susanoo: that should give you the latest updates of what's going on
[01:24] <ISS_Student> Well it's nice to know that with Hardy Realtek sound is working!
[01:24] <susanoo> where is this site ?
[01:24] <susanoo> link ?
[01:25] <ikonia> www.psubuntu.com
[01:25] <susanoo> good job ikonia
[01:25] <susanoo> keep up the good work
[01:25] <ikonia> welcome
[01:27]  * Dr_willis wakes up. and sneezes.
[01:27] <Sergeant_Pony> bless you
[01:28] <icanhas> Sergeant_Pony: that's a bit religious for here
[01:28] <Dr_willis> We need to put 'Yes you can upgrade to the final if you install now...' in the topic/faq :)
[01:28] <Sergeant_Pony> lol and I'm not the religious type
[01:30] <Lunar_Lamp> I have frequency scaling on my cpu set to "ondemand" - how do I change that to "perfomance"?
[01:31] <RAOF> Lunar_Lamp: As in "no scaling at all"?
[01:31] <danny> hey :o
[01:31] <Dr_willis> interesting  - i am seeing in dmesg output.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> sky2 eth0: rx length error: status 0x5ea0100 length 1510
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Is that someone sending me some bad packets? or potential driver bug?
[01:32] <danny> i can't get my broadcam wireless to work, it won't show up in hardware drivers or anything :/
[01:32] <ikonia> Dr_willis: knowing sky driver probably driver issue
[01:32] <bouma> hi, i get an error asking for libstdc++.so.5 under ubuntu8.04, can i apt-get something to help ?
[01:33] <RAOF> bouma: Yes.  libstdc++5 :)
[01:33] <bouma> :)
[01:33] <bouma> ok so, sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[01:33] <ikonia> RAOF: I don't think thats the package name is it ?
[01:33] <bouma> RAOF: btw can i use a different apt-get parameter, so it asks for permission
[01:33] <bouma> oh
[01:33] <Dr_willis> ikonia,  first ive ever noticed te messages. I am grabbing some iso torrents.  :)
[01:33] <ikonia> bouma: so what asks for permission ?
[01:34] <RAOF> ikonia: No.  libstdc++5 is the package they want.
[01:34] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I've had on / off problems with sky drivers (marvel cards arn't they)
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: so apt-get asks
[01:34] <Lunar_Lamp> RAOF: yes, thats what I want, but I've discovered the tool now. :-)
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: asks for what ?
[01:34] <RAOF> Lunar_Lamp: You can twiddle some gconf keys: /apps/gnome-power-manager/ui/cpufreq_show will give you a UI option.
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: it only asks for user/pass 1 time per session
[01:34] <Lunar_Lamp> RAOF: I just use cpufreq-selector :)
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: asks (Y/n) before going and downloading and installing
[01:34] <RAOF> ikonia: Well, actually once/15min.
[01:34] <bouma> ikonia: im not worried about the sudo part
[01:34] <ikonia> bouma: thst update
[01:35] <ikonia> RAOF: is that time related, thats interesting
[01:35] <bouma> ikonia: ok so, sudo apt-get update libstdc++5
[01:35] <ikonia> bouma: install
[01:35] <ikonia> as RAOF suggested
[01:37] <bouma> :D, its all working
[01:38] <RAOF> bouma: apt-file can be your friend in future (apt-file search libstdc++.so.5 will return the package(s) containing that file).
[01:38] <bouma> RAOF: thanks
[01:39] <bouma> ok, i added eclipse, but eclipse didnt install java, so im looking at the choices for jre, there is a the java 6 web start with 5 stars, is this preferable ?
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> oh lordy.  Epiphany crashes whenever I close a tab.
[01:40] <teamcobra> brb, quick reboot
[01:41] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey is this version of gnome is there any way to set the brightness of the screen depending if you are on battery or ac power
[01:41] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, just set it, it'll remember
[01:42] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, just set it, it'll remember
[01:42] <vbabiy-laptop_> cwillu: sorry I missed what you said i got disconnected
[01:42] <cwillu> that's what I said :p
[01:42] <cwillu> i.e., set it, unplug it, set it again,
[01:42] <cwillu> replug it, notice it goes back to the original value
[01:42] <vbabiy-laptop_> cwillu: it doesn't :)
[01:43] <cwillu> it should
[01:43] <vbabiy-laptop_> I don't think that is working for me
[01:43] <cwillu> weird, it doesn't anymore
[01:43] <cwillu> grrrrrrr
[01:43] <vbabiy-laptop_> hmm.. that looks like a BUG
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> hey any one using a m1530
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> delll
[01:44] <vbabiy-laptop_> dell*
[01:45] <jscinoz> i wish either gnash worked better or adobe flash stopped crashing firefox >_<
[01:46] <vbabiy-laptop_> also any know why they removed the custom setting in visual effects
[01:46] <AutoMatriX> hi
[01:46] <vbabiy-laptop_> Hello
[01:46] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_, its still there, just wont show up without compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[01:46] <susanoo> ikonia, but the ubuntu 8.04 RC been released for the ps3 yet ??
[01:46] <redwhitewaldo> In "hardware drivers" I have chosen to enable device driver for "ATI accelerated graphics driver". how do i know the driver file name or application was downloaded and installed?
[01:47] <ikonia> susanoo: I don't think so
[01:47] <susanoo> ok
[01:47] <ikonia> susanoo: from what I've seen the ps3 release normally lags a bit behind ubuntu
[01:47] <susanoo> well that suck
[01:48] <RAOF> jscinoz: Or moonlight killed flash dead? :)
[01:48] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: is that the same package as the advance Desktop effect setting
[01:48] <ikonia> susanoo: why does that suck ? ubuntu 8.04 is not yet stable, why should people bother porting a product thats not even released
[01:48] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: You don't, I think.  It'll have been the 'xorg-driver-fglrx' package and linux-restricted-modules if you did'nt already have that installed.
[01:49] <ikonia> susanoo: put it in perspectiv
[01:49] <jscinoz> RAOF :P btw i finally got my first 2 packages into debian :D
[01:49] <RAOF> jscinoz: Yay!
[01:49] <jscinoz> RAOF, hopefully they can get synced for intrepid :D
[01:49] <jscinoz> vabiy-laptop_ one second i'll check
[01:49] <redwhitewaldo> RAOF: is there a way to check+
[01:49] <shingalated> ﻿How can soundcards be reconfigured in hardy?  As of this morning I get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." When I click the volume control applet.
[01:50] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: I have that package and it not showing the custom option
[01:50] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: Check what?  I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.
[01:50] <susanoo> if i download the ubuntu 8.04 LTS daily build alpha , would i be able to upragde it trought terminal later on ? when the final stable releases ??
[01:50] <RAOF> susanoo: Yes.
[01:50] <redwhitewaldo> RAOF: i want to know what files were installed when i chose to install "restricted driver".
[01:51] <susanoo> ikonia , you do remember me right ?
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: I don't, sorry
[01:51] <susanoo> good
[01:51] <susanoo> good
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: I assume you where the silly user who had issues with flash/java on his ps3
[01:51] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_ hmm not sure, you can just run "ccsm" to get the same thing?
[01:51] <susanoo> hmm ?
[01:51] <susanoo> guess again
[01:51] <ikonia> susanoo: ok
[01:52] <RAOF> redwhitewaldo: Hm...  I don't think there's an obvious GUI way of doing what you want.  'dpkg --listfiles linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) xorg-driver-fglrx' will give you a complete list.
[01:52] <vbabiy-laptop_> well I know that but if I try to turn off compiz then I can't turn it on to my custom setting with resetting them alll
[01:53] <redwhitewaldo> rao
[01:53] <redwhitewaldo> C
[01:54] <Smegzor> Any idea when Wine 0.9.60 will be available in the repos?  I read that its being held back due to the impending release of Hardy.
[01:55] <twb> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.06/bin/java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:55] <twb> Any idea what I can do about this?
[01:56] <twb> cf. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4744230
[01:56] <Dr_willis> !info ipcom
[01:56] <Dr_willis> !info ipcop
[01:56] <ubotu> Package ipcom does not exist in hardy
[01:56] <ubotu> Package ipcop does not exist in hardy
[01:57] <richie_> Network manager asks for a keyring pass.. can I get rid of that?
[01:57] <jscinoz> vbabiy-laptop_ sorry I couldn't be of more help
[01:57] <vbabiy-laptop_> jscinoz: don't worry about it
[01:58] <cwillu> vbabiy-laptop, you mean the fourth option that shows up in appearances (as opposed to the advanced control panel itself, which I presume is working)
[01:58] <cwillu> nevermind then
[01:59] <RAOF> Smegzor: Chances are that it won't appear in the archives, given that we're post RC.  Wine has a standing freeze exception though, so there is a (small) chance that it will appear.
[01:59] <cwillu> Smegzor, it'll probably be out after, or perhaps in a backport
[02:01] <albert23> vbabiy-laptop_: If you install the package simple-ccsm, you will get the custom option back
[02:01] <vbabiy-laptop_> o okay
[02:01] <susanoo> am downloading the buntu 8.04
[02:02] <Smegzor> yeah I'm expecting to see it in backports eventually.
[02:03] <shingalated> ﻿How can soundcards be reconfigured in hardy?  As of this morning I get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." When I click the volume control applet.
[02:04] <cwillu> albert23, weird, any idea why they broke that?
[02:04] <redwhitewaldo> ﻿sound is no longer working on my comp.can someone help me troubleshoot? I don't know what happneed
[02:05] <AutoMatriX> which is the best method to synchronise an outlook express and an evolution address base ?
[02:06] <albert23> cwillu: No idea. I had to look for that option some time ago and found the new simple-ccsm
[02:06] <AutoMatriX> oops sorry guys, off topic here :s
[02:07] <Niriven> why does it keep sayin gi need to do a partial upgrade, and how do i resolv if?
[02:07] <Niriven> *resolve it
[02:08] <Smegzor> I just heard about something called Unity on the Linux Action Show.  I Googled it, but didn't find much about it.  Is it part of VMWare?
[02:10] <bazhang> Smegzor: for Macs; to offset parallels' coherence feature
[02:10] <twb> I've determined that sun-java6-jre cannot be installed inside a chroot.
[02:11] <twb> Anybody know why?
[02:11] <Smegzor> Yeah I finally found better info about it.  I use VirtualBox and seamless mode is great :)
[02:11] <Smegzor> also I don't use a Mac so nevermind.
[02:11] <ethana2> Niriven: let it do its thing
[02:12] <Niriven> ethana2, What?
[02:12] <ethana2> Niriven: some packages were removed from ubuntu for whatever reason
[02:12] <ethana2> just let it do what it needs to
[02:12] <Niriven> ethana2: Hmm, ok.
[02:12] <Smegzor> a couple of times that partial upgrade got stuck for me (it would cancel automatically).  I found that I could cancel the dialog and grab the other updates so that was all good.
[02:12] <ethana2> Niriven: happens all the time pre release
[02:13] <Smegzor> One thing about the partial upgrade dialog that bugs me, it prevents me from browsing the list of updates unless I cancel the partial.
[02:13] <ethana2> Smegzor: agreed
[02:14] <linkmaster03> where could I find a list of changes/new features from 7.10->8.04?
[02:14] <Smegzor> How soon do we expect to see the new linux kernel?
[02:15] <sparr_> which new linux kernel?
[02:15] <RAOF> Smegzor: You mean 2.6.25?  In hardy?  Never.
[02:15] <bazhang> linkmaster03: there are several dozen on the web look around
[02:15] <Smegzor> yes 2.6.25
[02:16] <Smegzor> thats quite a while.  So it'll be in 8.10 instead?
[02:16] <ethana2> It bugs me that fedora uses rpm
[02:16] <Smegzor> the new kernel sounds very nice.
[02:16] <ethana2> ...because fedora probably will have it
[02:16] <RAOF> Smegzor: Unless Intrepid has 2.6.26, yes.
[02:17] <ethana2> in two years, we simply will not have 'gpu drivers'
[02:17] <Smegzor> do new kernels come down via backports?
[02:17] <ethana2> i find that awesome, with gallium and kernel mode setting and whatnot
[02:17] <RAOF> Smegzor: No.
[02:18] <RAOF> Smegzor: kernels are explicitly disallowed in the backport documentation.
[02:18] <susanoo> does Ubuntu surpasses windows in capabilities when running on a PC machines ?
[02:18] <ethana2> susanoo: heck yes
[02:18] <tramd> depends
[02:18] <ethana2> susanoo: I dual boot windows
[02:18] <RAOF> susanoo: Malformed question :)
[02:18] <ethana2> haven't used it in a year
[02:18] <icanhas> by a zillion percent, 2 zillion if you're talking vista :P
[02:18] <Seeker`> susanoo: it depends on how you define capabilities
[02:19] <icanhas> yeah, ubuntu SUCKS at mounting xfat partitions ;)
[02:19] <susanoo> would it run games such as supreme commander , warcraft 3 etc etc ?? as better as a window ?
[02:19] <Dr_willis> susanoo Linux has more capabilities in the general term.
[02:19] <ethana2> xfat?  what's that?
[02:19] <n0nam3> vlc when maximized is putting a green line of pixels going across horizontally .... why is this???????
[02:19] <ethana2> susanoo: probably not yet
[02:19] <RAOF> susanoo: Ubuntu isn't as good at running Windows programs than Windows.
[02:19] <ethana2> susanoo: but eventually, like a year or two from now
[02:19] <RAOF> ethana2: And almost certainly never.
[02:19] <ethana2> RAOF: ...what???
[02:19] <ethana2> WINE
[02:19] <susanoo> lol
[02:19] <Smegzor> susanoo: Have you heard of Wine?
[02:19] <ethana2> moves fast, RAOF
[02:19] <susanoo> ur right about that RAOF
[02:20] <RAOF> ethana2: True.  But games move fast, too.
[02:20] <Dr_willis>  But for a given 'job/task' you can most likely find linux apps to do whatever job needs to be done.
[02:20] <ethana2> I can deal with that, what about the API's they use?
[02:20] <ethana2> ...'cause that's what matters for compat
[02:20] <RAOF> ethana2: So I'll agree.  It's entirely possible that in a year or two Wine will run games that are out now better than Windows.
[02:20] <ethana2> yes.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> if you   Want games.. stick to windows..    thats the easiest way
[02:21] <RAOF> ethana2: I'm sceptical that it'll run contemporary games faster/better than windows.
[02:21] <icanhas> If you want games, buy a game console, looks better on a hi-def tv anyway
[02:21] <ethana2> And once we get there, we'll have spun DirectX out of WINE onto gallium
[02:21] <ethana2> RAOF: it already does some
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Dosbox runs the old dos games quite well. :)
[02:21] <ethana2> icanhas: game consoles are evil
[02:21] <ethana2> that should not be encouraged
[02:21] <susanoo> best thing about linux is that you wont be easy to hack
[02:21] <susanoo> besides that
[02:21] <icanhas> ethana2: uh, no they aren't. actually they are great comunity tools and have some really wonderful games that are fun for the whole family
[02:21] <ethana2> susanoo: note that if i can get you to 'su and say' something
[02:21] <susanoo> window is better
[02:22] <ethana2> just by asking, then you have a serious security problem
[02:22] <ethana2> and you should look into it
[02:22] <RAOF> ethana2: I seem to recall some wine developer saying that DX on gallium wouldn't be a particularly useful thing.
[02:22] <susanoo> ethana2 ??
[02:22] <ethana2> ...it was a joke, susanno
[02:22] <ethana2> it'll only be as secure as you are as a user
[02:22] <ethana2> but that's good enough for me
[02:23] <yuri_> hey guys, i have a few questions about HH. 1) does it come with gnome-do by default 2) will a distro upgrade from 7.10 break anything 3) when is the release?
[02:23] <susanoo> wel what if people knows ur root and pass ?
[02:23] <RAOF> yuri_: 1) No. 2) No (hopefully - we've tested and tried to ensure nothing breaks) 3) Soon.  27th, I think.
[02:23] <n0nam3> so can anyone tell me why vlc has a green band of pixels going across the screen please ? :)
[02:23] <Smegzor> susanoo: Currently off the top of my head I run Battlefield 1942, Halo Combat Evolved, TrackMania Forever, Thief 2, Battlefield2, World of Padman, Wolf ET, Oblivion, HalfLife2, Counter Strike etc, anything in Steam really., Bandits, and a few minor games all running in Wine flawlessly.
[02:23] <icanhas> yuri_: no, which should be obvious, no reason to believe it will, and the 24th
[02:24] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  at the top/edges?
[02:24] <yuri_> thanks guys
[02:24] <n0nam3> no
[02:24] <n0nam3> it's at the bottom
[02:24] <bazhang> susanoo: you back?
[02:24] <n0nam3> it's i pixel inheight .. and is a green line going across the whole picture
[02:24] <Dr_willis> some videos have a bit of overscan video area that many players trim out.  ive noticed befor
[02:24] <n0nam3> hrmmm... i've done it w/ about 6 avi's now
[02:25] <Dr_willis> totally across the bottom.  Does it do it with EVERY video? or just some?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> May be some oddity with the video drivers, or player. try gmplayer perhaps.
[02:25] <yuri_> more questions: 1) will there be a grub splash screen 2) will fsck run everytime I do a hard shutdown?
[02:25] <RAOF> n0nam3: Options include: 1) That's actually in the source video 2) Compression artefact 3) Xv driver problem.
[02:25] <n0nam3> yeah.. across the whole bottom
[02:25] <RAOF> yuri_: 1) No, 2) No.
[02:25] <RAOF> yuri_: Well, kinda on 2).
[02:25] <yuri_> kinda?
[02:25] <icanhas> yeah i was going to say, lol
[02:25] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  its best to let it check when it wants to.:) i have noticed you can hit escape to cancle the fscks now.
[02:26] <n0nam3> well, i don't think i had this problem before doing the package update for vlc 2 days ago
[02:26] <n0nam3> almost 99% pos i din't have the problem
[02:26] <num> can i safely use emerald with ubuntu hardy?
[02:26] <yuri_> Dr_willis: as long as you can hit escape, its ok
[02:26] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  ive noticed similer things on the top/side on some vidoes
[02:26] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  hiting escape is a BAD habbit. :)  and yes.. ive caught myself doing it also.
[02:26] <Niriven> So anyone here switch from gentoo or freebsd?
[02:26] <thompa> im having a new problem. I cant burn cds anymore
[02:27] <Smegzor> every time I cancel fsck, it won't let me login to my home.  Only when fsck is allowed to complete.
[02:27] <susanoo> bazhang, did i ever left ?
[02:27] <akk> So, my upgrade failed because plucker didn't install the /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyPlucker files
[02:27] <yuri_> Dr_willis: i know, but it adding an extra 4-8 mins to my startup time is not an option. this is a laptop
[02:27] <akk> so now when I try to apt-get anything, it says I have to run dpkg --configure -a
[02:27] <akk> but if I run dpkg --configure -a, it just tries to run this plucker script that refers to all the nonexistent files
[02:28] <akk> How do I get out of that loop? (dpkg remove plucker just tells me it needs dpkg --configure -a)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  4-8 min? egads.. wyhat size hd ya got?
[02:28] <n0nam3> Dr_willis: if it has something to do w/ the package update for vlc ... since i didn't have the problem 4 days ago... would a reinstall potentially fix it?
[02:28] <thompa> anybody else cant burn cds anymore? usb is totally broke also. sound is iffy
[02:29] <yuri_> yet more questions:1) will it come default with a one-click solution like automatix 2) will kubuntu use kde4
[02:29] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  it should only be trying to scan every 30 remounts/reboots or so.. or after a bad crash. Depends on how imporntant your data is i guess. :)
[02:29] <n0nam3> mplayer has no problems w/ the video
[02:29] <yuri_> Dr_willis: it scans every single time i have to do a hard reset. im on 7.10 right now
[02:29] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  'remove/reinstall' fixing things..is a windows-mentality thing. :)
[02:29] <n0nam3> hehe
[02:29] <Smegzor> Linux can have a bad crash?  NO!  I don't believe it! :)
[02:29] <thompa> yuri_: it is already almost one click
[02:29] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  what is with the hard-resets? why are you doing those?
[02:29] <Exilant> yuri: kubuntu comes with kde4, but kde3 is default
[02:30] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was a kubuntu kde4, and kubuntu kde3 install cds
[02:30] <thompa> in my case i may need to reinstall
[02:30] <Exilant> so you'll have to install kde4 separately (and last i tried it was rather unstable)
[02:30] <yuri_> Dr_willis: crashes, endless loops, bugs, etc.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> yuri_,  if you are having major crashes like that.. i would be making some backups  quickly.
[02:30] <akk> Nobody knows how to fix apt-get and dpkg?
[02:31] <n0nam3> jeese ... ff b5 is leaking somewhere ... i only have 3 text based webpages open and it's using 200mb of ram
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I dont recall ever having to do a hard-reset on my laptop under hardy.  and boy do i push it.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> n0nam3,  it may have allocated the ram from earlier and just not released it.
[02:31] <yuri_> Dr_willis: i have many, and i kjeep all my documents on a separate partition and backed up to many redundant external discs. ive crashed for too many systems over the years and learned enough hard lessons
[02:33] <Geoffrey2> speaking of FF, since a final release of FF 3 won't be out prior to 8.04 going live, will the default browser be FF 2 until the new version is released?
[02:33] <yuri_> final question: can i upgrade to HH beta right now from 7.10?
[02:33] <RAOF> yuri_: Yes.  update-manager -d
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,  I installed FF2, and the firefox2 command still launches firefox3 :) figure that out
[02:34] <yuri_> time to upgrade then
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,  looke to me like they will beusing FF3. unless they changed their minds recently
[02:34] <tacone> should hardy upgrade set my fstab mounts to relatime or should I do it myself manually ?
[02:35] <Geoffrey2> Dr_willis: which would mean...beta 5?
[02:35] <Dr_willis> tacone,  i dont see any 'relatime' options in my fstab on a clean install.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Geoffrey2,   looks that way. Unless they do some real big changes here soon.
[02:35] <tacone> Dr_willis: I don't see it on my upgraded machine but I see them on my virtualbox  hardy beta
[02:36] <Dr_willis> aha - firefox-2 does NOW launch firefox2 like its supposed to. :)
[02:36] <Dr_willis> tacone,  i dont see it on any of my hardy machines. add it if you think it will help i guess.
[02:36] <tacone> ok, thanks :)
[02:37] <Dr_willis> i dont recall ever needing or using thsat option
[02:38] <Geoffrey2> I will, however, be happy when FF 3 is available...I like using Yahoo mapping, and FF2 and the cairo implementation in Ubuntu just don't play well together
[02:38] <sarixe> i'm having a problem with samba: when i share something on ubuntu, it's not accessible from other computers.
[02:38] <Dr_willis> Ive been using ff3 for ages it seems. :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> sarixe,  i normally manually install the 'samba' package, and give the users a samba password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME' THEN i edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to enable the home shares. That way I an get to the users whole home dir. :)
[02:39] <Dr_willis> ive had such issues with the kde/gnome 'share stuff via this gui tool' feature.
[02:39] <sarixe> i get: "\\<server>\<share> is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The network name cannot be found."
[02:39] <Dr_willis> It always seem to miss a step/forget somthing.
[02:39] <sarixe> well i can see the share fine
[02:39] <sarixe> but it can't open it
[02:40] <Dr_willis> sarixe,   try the 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME' thing then perhaps
[02:40] <sarixe> what username should i use...? the windows one or the linux one?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> that will give the user a samba password you enter on the windows box.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> the linux users  :) since you are giving the password to the linux users account
[02:40] <sarixe> gotcha
[02:40] <ubuntuROX> Grown men should not love an operating system as much as I love Ubuntu :) Thank all you guys for making this a great product, and an awesome community.
[02:41] <Dr_willis> for just some quick and dirty/fast one time file transfers. I tend to use ssh on linux, and winscp on windows.  its a bit easier to do.
[02:41] <sarixe> same error...
[02:41] <Dr_willis> IF you want to always be able to get to files on the ubuntu box. learning about samba, and seting uop the home shares is a good idea
[02:41] <sarixe> well i don't want my whole home to be shared
[02:41] <sarixe> just this one folder
[02:43] <sarixe> Dr_willis : should i edit that conf now?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> sarixe,  dependson what you want to share exactly. I always set up the homes to be shared
[02:43] <Dr_willis> I perfer it that way
[02:44] <Dr_willis> its VERYpossible you dont have the samba package installed ' sudo apt-get install samba'
[02:44] <sarixe> i do, i know i do
[02:44] <Dr_willis> i recall the gui share thing. supposed to install that befor.. and often it just dident do it.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> the gui tools 'should' of added a new share entry to the end of the smb.conf file.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> but that wont do much good if samba isent even isntalled.
[02:45] <ampex> how do I go about upgrading 7.10 server to 8.04 ?
[02:45] <IdleOne> where does rythmbox keeps it's playlist?
[02:47] <sarixe> Dr_willis : i have samba, and i used the gui thing, the share shows up in windows, but there is no share in the conf.
[02:47] <RAOF> sarixe: Before you go too far down the rabit hole, I presume you've tried simply right-clicking on the folder you wish to share and selecting "sharing options", right?
[02:47] <crimsun> soc: hi?
[02:47] <sarixe> RAOF : yes
[02:48] <sarixe> but i also have samba installed
[02:48] <sarixe> so that's definitely not the problem
[02:48] <RAOF> And you selected "share", and "guest acces"?
[02:48] <sarixe> yes
[02:48] <ampex> any word on whether the RC will become the final release?
[02:48] <RAOF> And when you connected from the windows machine, it asked for a username/password?
[02:48] <ampex> any last minute bug fixes?
[02:48] <RAOF> ampex: 3 days, give or take.
[02:48] <sarixe> RAOF : no, it just gave an error
[02:49] <RAOF> Hm.  Awkward.
[02:49] <RAOF> That worked for me (but with a Mac connecting to the share, so it's not directly applicable).
[02:49] <sarixe> RAOF : i can connect to my samba server, it shows all the shares, but if i try to get to a share, it fails
[02:50] <sarixe> brb
[02:50] <RAOF> Hm.  It's possible that windows has cached some incorrect authentication data?
[02:51] <sarixe> back
[02:51] <sarixe> erm, well it's a common problem among several other machines
[02:51] <AlienX> hardy supports install time disk encryption, right?
[02:52] <ubuntu> hey i just update from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 hardy, i enabled desktop effects, i rebooted and got that white screen, any ideas on how to fix this
[02:53] <RAOF> AlienX: Yes, but only from the alternate CD I think.
[02:54] <AlienX> RAOF, sweet. I need it for work and didn't want to get caught in a bind :)
[02:54] <Amaranth> ubuntu: you should not manually install your fglrx driver
[02:54] <Amaranth> I don't even remember the fix now, just the cause
[02:55] <Amaranth> Haven't run into that since edgy
[02:55] <Who_> I am struggling with video drivers: I can't use nvidia because I can't get suspend to work and I can't use nv because...well... I can't seem to make it work - the screen has 'dots' all over it a bit like when old OSs tried to make things 'greyed out'.
[02:55] <RAOF> ubuntu: I think the other option is to uninstall xserver-xgl, if you've got it installed.
[02:57] <Amaranth> Who_: So nv doesn't work with your card (not surprising) and nvidia breaks suspend (also not surprising)
[02:57] <Who_> to be honest I am not even sure that the nv driver _is_ loaded: While xorg.conf says nv, lsmod | grep nv renvidia               4718832  0
[02:57] <Who_> agpgart                34760  1 nvidia
[02:57] <Who_> i2c_core               24832  1 nvidia
[02:57] <Who_> turns:
[02:57] <tannewt> Hi all, I have a strange bug, when I move my mouse the pointer does not move but gets moved when I click
[02:57] <wastrel> nice one
[02:57] <RAOF> Who_: That's perfectly normal; the nv driver is totally userspace and doesn't load a kernel module.
[02:57] <Who_> But the Amaranth: shouldn't I get some very basic functionality from nv no matter what?
[02:57] <Amaranth> Who_: I don't
[02:57] <RAOF> Who_: Bwa ha ha!
[02:57] <Who_> hmmm. How frustrating!
[02:58] <Amaranth> With nv I get some really awesome banding that makes the whole thing unusable
[02:58] <RAOF> Who_: It'd be nice to think so, wouldn't it.
[02:58] <Amaranth> Who_: you could try nouveau :)
[02:58] <Amaranth> !nouveau
[02:58] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[02:58] <RAOF> Amaranth, Who_: But you've probably got a new card (geforce 8xxx or greater) which isn't well supported by nouveau yet.
[02:58] <Who_> I have a pretty modest laptop card here - from years ago: I really don't want much - I just don't want the Windows 9x 'greyed out' feel to my whole OS
[02:59] <Who_> FX Go 5200
[02:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: see, not a new card :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Who_: Oh, in which case nouveau will rock the pants off nv.
[02:59] <Amaranth> that's NV3x, right?
[02:59] <Who_> Amaranth: got a good way for me to check?
[02:59] <RAOF> I think so, yeah.
[02:59] <Amaranth> nouveau should have full 2d acceleration
[02:59] <Amaranth> Who_: was a question for RAOF really :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Proper multi head...
[03:00] <RAOF> Who_: I find the easiest way to check is to use nouveau; the drm module prints out your GPU model to dmesg :)
[03:00] <sarixe> why not just use the propietary one?
[03:00] <Who_> ROAF: so I really ought to gett some love from nouvea?
[03:00] <RAOF> sarixe: Because it doesn't work.
[03:00] <Amaranth> oh, nouveau will totally break suspend too
[03:00] <sarixe> o
[03:00] <Who_> sarixe: breaks suspend - deal breaker
[03:01] <RAOF> Yeah.  I just thought of that.
[03:01] <Amaranth> so if that's your only problem with nvidia just use nvidia
[03:01] <Amaranth> the windows nvidia driver breaks suspend on my laptop :)
[03:01] <RAOF> Who_: Sorry, we're leading you down a rabbit hole; nouveau doesn't do suspend (but it's a GSoC project, IIRC).-
[03:01] <Amaranth> but it actually works in linux, surprisingly
[03:01] <Who_> Amaranth: and avoid suspending?
[03:01] <Amaranth> Who_: I guess
[03:02] <Who_> I had hoped that the increasing number of 'I fixed nvidia suspend' articles would work for me - is there a difinitive one somewhere, I can play about some more?
[03:02] <tannewt> anyone know why the mouse would not visibly move but X would track it?
[03:02] <Amaranth> Who_: you're using hardy?
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: gutsy
[03:03] <sarixe> awesome, i got samba working when i disabled guest access
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: no... Hardy
[03:03] <Amaranth> Who_: Then you're not even in the right channel
[03:03] <Amaranth> And now I'm confused
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: stupid naming conventions. I do numbers faster than letters
[03:03] <Amaranth> 8.04 RC
[03:03] <Who_> Amaranth: yea - I am on 8.04 :)
[03:04] <Amaranth> Who_: Then I have no idea, all my suspend tricks stopped working/being needed in hardy
[03:04] <Who_> Hmmm. I know WUBI promises broken Hibernate - could my suspend issues be related to that and not the hardware?
[03:05] <Amaranth> You're using wubi?
[03:05] <Who_> (I used WUBI to installl)
[03:05] <Amaranth> Oh hell
[03:05] <Amaranth> You should not expect power management to work at all :)
[03:06] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh, because the swap is difficult to find?
[03:06] <Amaranth> your filesystem is running in userspace
[03:06] <Amaranth> userspace, uh, stops running
[03:07] <Who__> grrr. I have a dodgy internet connection - sorry. Is there a way to see what I missed?
[03:08] <Amaranth> Who__: You should not expect any of this stuff to work in wubi
[03:08] <Amaranth> wubi is meant to test ubuntu, not use it long term
[03:08] <pestilence> ever since i upgraded from hardy beta to hardy RC, network-manager doesn't seem to be working very well...it takes a long time to reconnect the wireless after resume from suspend to ram, and it doesn't show wireless signal strength after reconnect
[03:08] <pestilence> how can i fix this?
[03:09] <Who__> Amaranth: I know. This is testing ;)
[03:12] <pestilence> oh yea, the applet shows my wireless connection as a wired connection after resume
[03:12] <pestilence> (before it shows it as a wireless connection with signal strength)
[03:14] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[03:14] <Who__> Amaranth: would the noapic kernel parameter in grub be likely to help?
[03:14] <Amaranth> Who__: No
[03:14] <Amaranth> I real install of Ubuntu is likely to help
[03:14] <Amaranth> s/I/A/
[03:15] <RAOF> Who__: A problem is that your whole filesystem is being run by something in userspace, including your swap.  Which is a problem since, when you suspend, the kernel freezes everything in userspace...
[03:16] <bouma> could anyone help me, i cant find nvidia-settings, ive got the close new nvidia driver
[03:17] <RAOF> bouma: I'd suggest installing the nvidia-settings package, then.  It's been split from the rest of the driver package now.
[03:17] <bouma> RAOF: ah thanks
[03:17] <Who__> RAOF: makes sense... but my logs show the system _does_ come back from suspend, but then compiz and gdm segfault. I tried with only mentacity - but I haven't looked in detail at those logs - it failed, obviously...
[03:18] <jgoo> Hi everyone - sudo mii-tool returns no link
[03:18] <jgoo> however, this is only in Ubuntu - when I boot to the other OS the network works
[03:18] <Who__> RAOF: If it is the case that suspend should not be expected to work with Wubi then the FAQ should be updated - as many people will likely be using Wubi to decide whether to install... Right?
[03:19] <jgoo> so, does this mean that the network card isn't properly configured ? this is a new system, on board everything. During live session the network worked, only after install it doesn't
[03:19] <RAOF> Who__: Possibly.  It's also possible that the problem might be the nvidia driver assuming that it can write something out to swap, which is incorrect
[03:20] <jgoo> Interestingly it defaulted to 'roaming' mode when I booted up... isn't this a mode usually for wireless ? (embarrassingly if there is onboard wifi on this freakshow PC I don't even know about it)
[03:20] <RAOF> Who__: It's certainly worth mentioning on the Wubi page that Suspend/Hibernate may well not work.
[03:20] <Who__> RAOF: yea, I can see I'm in a pretty big pile of uncertainty :) I'll try and get some partitioning done and then try again
[03:21] <jgoo> What would be my next step - basically, I've checked that this cable does work (after replacing the connector anyway)
[03:21] <jgoo> sudo mii-tool returns not connected, I can set a static IP, but ping and arping fail.
[03:21] <Who__> Last question: The display looks really weird when it tries to come back on - backlight is on and it looks like the display has just been 'left' pathces of white emerge, lines, whatever. I was worried first time I saw it. Is that what others see, or just me?
[03:22] <RAOF> Who__: Just you, I think.  Although that sounds like what you can get with an incorrectly programmed LVDS/DVI interface.
[03:23] <RAOF> jgoo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager?highlight=%28Debugging%29%7C%28CategoryDebugging%29 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection?highlight=%28Debugging%29%7C%28CategoryDebugging%29 might help.
[03:23] <Who__> RAOF: I wish I could do something useful with that info :P
[03:24] <RAOF> Who__: Basically, your flat-panel is getting stupid input, and so it shows stupid output.
[03:24] <Who__> RAOF: and on that note I think I will try one more thing, then go to bed. Thanks for the help.
[03:24] <jgoo> RAOF: Ok I will use network mangager to look at this - will that repoll the hardware? How can I ask ubuntu to remove and repoke around to find my network card?
[03:25] <RAOF> jgoo: You might want to work out what driver should be loaded, rmmod it and then re modprobe it?
[03:25] <jgoo> Also - can anyone verify that is I am given a 'Roaming' option, this is because it thinks my card is wireless?
[03:26] <RAOF> jgoo: No.  That's the default "autodetect everything" mode.
[03:26] <jgoo> RAOF, NetworkManager will help me find which driver? It says on this Debugging page that it won't
[03:26] <jgoo> aah ok, so that is for normal cards
[03:26] <gunashekar> you can roam wothout wirel.   ess too
[03:26] <jgoo> hrm.so 'no link' on an otherwise healthy card is usually the driver than?
[03:27] <jgoo> *then. So how do I work out the driver? modprobe will list them? I will man modprobe and read a bit
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: No idea; this has never been a problem for me.
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: So, lsmod will list the drivers currently loaded.
[03:28] <RAOF> jgoo: You may also wish to check dmesg to see if there's something obvious from your driver.
[03:29] <jgoo> ok thanks. Never been a problem for me either, in about 8 versions of linux, 4 of which ubuntu
[03:32] <Fritzel> where do you change pointer themes in gnome? I don't see it in appearance
[03:34] <jgoo> ok, lsmod gives me usual stuiff... snd, firewire, and ipv6
[03:34] <jgoo> that is the only network sounding thing on there, but hardly a device driver for a network card
[03:34] <jgoo> dmesg had nothing except a few lines about failing to reserve some memory space
[03:34] <wastrel> jgoo: do you see your card with lspci?
[03:34] <jgoo> 2tick
[03:35] <jgoo> Realtek Semiconductor... gigbit ethernet controller
[03:35] <Who_> So, suspend works with vesa and 'standby' not 'mem' for the standby mode -  and unlike nv, vesa does the normal working display stuff too :)
[03:36] <jgoo> wastrel, so lspci sees it - but I am not sure the driver is loaded, I'll google anyone else having problems with this in 8.04
[03:36] <wastrel> jgoo:  ok so use that to find the name of the kernel module that supports the card
[03:37] <Who_> Which is nice, I just have to live without Compiz - which I can surely manage :P. Amaranth, RAOF: thanks for your help. Are there any major limitations of using the vesa driver that I should know about, compositing aside?
[03:37] <wastrel> i miss compiz when i'm at work.
[03:37] <wastrel> ring switcher and the expose thing
[03:37] <Amaranth> Who_: No 2D acceleration
[03:37] <jgoo> wastrel, how would I do that? google? or just look for something that sounds like realtek?
[03:38] <RyanPrior> How come libflashsupport is no longer installed by default?
[03:39] <wastrel> jgoo: i would google for it with the specific version number and perhaps keywords like "kernel linux driver module"
[03:39] <wastrel> not necessarily all at once
[03:39] <RyanPrior> Being able to pause my media player and play a YouTube video is really central to my normal web browsing flow, so I really miss being able to play Flash audio via PulseAudio...
[03:39] <Who_> Amaranth: well, this laptop is _so_ much speedier than the alternative (1.4 Celeron vs 366 PII) that I think I'll cope :P
[03:39] <jgoo> sidenote: Google are really getting worse.
[03:39] <wastrel> there's probably a systematic way to find that sort of thing
[03:40] <jgoo> sidenote: I used to have to click the logo, then click google in english, then search, now it defaults to google in english, but ignores that on my results, now I need to click 3 times to get english only results!
[03:40] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: pulseaudio was updated to run on top of dmix
[03:40] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: So apps using alsa (like flash) don't need to be routed through pulse
[03:41] <jgoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538448
[03:41] <jgoo> Jackpot
[03:41] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: well, I uninstalled libflashsupport when it become auto-removable and my flash audio stopped working when I had Banshee playing. Kill banshee, flash audio plays -- and I reinstalled libflashsupport, and now I can have both at once.
[03:41] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: So this new system must be broken, I think.
[03:42] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Or you didn't accept the pulseaudio config change
[03:42] <Amaranth> Or the pulseaudio package didn't get uploaded yet
[03:42] <crimsun> Amaranth: it hasn't been uploaded yet
[03:42] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Assuming it's the first one, how would I go back and accept the config change?
[03:42] <jgoo> As of 27 May 2007, in kernel 2.6.21.3, you may experience the issues with the r8169 driver if you dual boot Windows on some systems. Windows by defaults disables the NIC at Windows shutdown time in order to disable Wake-On-Lan
[03:43] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: It's the second one
[03:43] <Amaranth> jgoo: eww
[03:43] <crimsun> Amaranth: we're working very carefully over every corner case
[03:43] <jgoo> So windows is screwing the crap out of my machine... If this DAMN computer company had shipped a blank disk to me as I asked, this wouldn't be a problem! Damn damn damn damn damn stupid computer company
[03:43] <RyanPrior> So, they deprecated libflashsupport but didn't upload the replacement? Seems a little premature.
[03:43] <Amaranth> crimsun: Does that mean I can still get package updates into hardy too? :)
[03:43] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: It is not a final release, you should expect problems :)
[03:43] <jgoo> I feel dirty, Vista is installed in the same room as me.... must... grab... EM pulse device...
[03:44] <crimsun> RyanPrior: it's not at all premature.  This is a fairly major audio infrastructure change.
[03:44] <crimsun> Amaranth: probably ;-)
[03:44] <Amaranth> crimsun: Cool, because compiz cube is broken :)
[03:44] <RyanPrior> crimsun: It's been working great for weeks, though. It seems like waiting for Intrepid for a major audio restructuring might have been a little bet less premature. :-)
[03:44] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Don't do that
[03:44] <wastrel> cube is broken?
[03:44] <icanhas> Amaranth: Cube is broken?
[03:45] <jgoo> OK, that is a gotcha... to fix my Ubuntu network... I have to enable wake on lan from windows... this is epic fail for windows...
[03:45] <Amaranth> Yes, cube is broken
[03:45] <num> if i wanted to use emerald do i have to add emerald --replace to the session manager?
[03:45] <Amaranth> It doesn't do a final damageScreen at the end of rotate so everything looks blurry
[03:45] <icanhas> Amaranth: oh.. just the plugin or some part of compiz? i'm fully updated and i'm not having an issue with it
[03:45] <Amaranth> In some conditions
[03:45] <icanhas> gotcha
[03:45] <wastrel> mmm blurry
[03:45] <Amaranth> this was a regression in 0.7.4 that got fixed a couple days after the release
[03:46] <crimsun> RyanPrior: it's not a restructuring.  It's an attempt to 1) prevent Flash from crashing Firefox so darned often; 2) effecting the change in PulseAudio to prevent a major regression from /every/ supported Ubuntu release to effect (1).
[03:46] <crimsun> RyanPrior: this is bug 192888 if you want to follow.
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[03:46] <RyanPrior> crimsun: Thanks for the info, and for your willingness to work under so much deadline pressure!
[03:47] <Amaranth> I hate it when people are having temporary problems with something and their suggestion is to disable the thing because this is an LTS release
[03:47] <Amaranth> Or when a small handful of people are having a problem and they want to make the experience worse for everyone else so they won't have to deal with the problems
[03:48] <icanhas> Well someone has to make the decision.. and generally that person isn't getting paid to do it, heh.
[03:48] <jgoo> "Your browser is incompatible with the Heroku editor.Firefox 2 is currently the only supported browser. "
[03:48] <jgoo> I love that error message (except it exposes the fact that xchat opened iexplorer...)
[03:49] <Amaranth> jgoo: Heroku editor is about to lose all of its users
[03:49] <wastrel> what's heroku editor?
[03:49] <Amaranth> no clue
[03:49] <jgoo> haha :-) it is a hosted rails application server and online IDE for RoR
[03:50] <Amaranth> but if it doesn't work with FF3 it is dead
[03:50] <RyanPrior> Yup, the world is moving to IE7 and FF3.
[03:50] <jgoo> gotta try it, I like google apps (aftering hacking a JSON / javascript / google spreasheet / google base application of my own)
[03:50] <RyanPrior> Heroku Editor better get on the ball.
[03:50] <jgoo> Amaranth, I think it will work fine, they should put a + after 2
[03:52] <RyanPrior> Though, it will be interesting to see whether a WebKit-based browser ends up competing with IE and FF. (And hope it's not Safari!)
[03:53]  * DanaG is back now.
[03:53] <DanaG> Woah, WHO TOOK THAT PICTURE?
[03:53] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/students/
[03:53] <DanaG> A ghost?
[03:54] <DanaG> (joking)
[03:54] <icanhas> DanaG: Celing Cat, obviously.
[03:54] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Maybe Epiphany? :)
[03:54] <RAOF> icanhas: You can train ferrets pretty well, too.
[03:55] <DanaG> ﻿Oh yeah, I think I figured out my compiz+azureus crash.  It's my NIC doing it.  Damn e1000.
[03:56]  * jgoo thinks all NICS should be put in their place
[03:56] <DanaG> I'm now using the USB ethernet adapter.
[03:56] <RyanPrior> RAOF: if Epiphany runs on Windows, maybe. If it's Gnome-only, it probably won't get serious market share anytime soon.
[03:56] <jgoo> I am going to buy a USB NIC and taunt my onboard with it
[03:56] <DanaG> MAC address somehow set itself to 30:01:00:00:00:00
[03:56] <DanaG> instead of
[03:56] <DanaG> the sticker says: 00:E0:98:7D:4C:7E
[03:57] <DanaG> damn pegasus.
[03:58] <wastrel> i know your mac address
[03:58] <RAOF> Much good may it do you.
[03:58] <Pelo> evening folks
[03:58] <jgoo> I am already hacking his lolcat collection and compositing it with rick astley facial images
[03:58] <jscinoz> Hmm
[03:58] <icanhas> There are pieces of software you can install on most routers to change your mac addy
[03:58]  * DanaG doesn't HAVE a lolcat collection.
[03:59] <icanhas> ....
[03:59] <jgoo> DanaG, You  *think* you don't have one... haha are you getting a surprise *tappity tap tap*
[03:59] <jscinoz> is it possible for the icedtea-gcjwebplugin to output sound at all?
[04:00] <jgoo> chances of my onboard ATI card supporting compiz? (with its 128mb shared ram... yes, I know, fail)
[04:00] <Pelo> I need little help with xorg.conf, I found this edit for my trackman marble fx mouse , it's suppose to work for gutsy , but I'm on hardy now and it causes my x to go ape and puts me back down to 800x640 ,  instead of just fixing the mouse,  I'm not even sure it fixed the mouse cause I haven't realy been able to try it out
[04:00] <Pelo> this is the fix  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=212946
[04:01] <user0423> help please... I just installed the rc and all of a sudden the nvidia drivers do not work
[04:01] <DanaG> http://71.9.52.25:8888/  -- that's my other stuff collection.
[04:01] <Pelo> jgoo, with the binairy there is a chance, even with the restricted
[04:01] <DanaG> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-ermine-eats-bread.jpg
[04:01] <DanaG> Dis bread -- it ermine.
[04:02] <Pelo> user0423, donT' you have to change nvidia for nv in xorg.conf ?
[04:02] <Pelo> or is that the old thing
[04:02] <DanaG> RAOF: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rss-glx/+bug/129142
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129142 in rss-glx "Really Slick Screensavers use 100% CPU" [Undecided,New]
[04:02] <jgoo> DanaG, what is gnump3d?
[04:02] <user0423> Pelo: when i change to the "nvidia" driver x locks up now
[04:03] <Pelo> user0423, that's probably not it then
[04:03] <DanaG> !info gnump3d
[04:03] <ubotu> gnump3d (source: gnump3d): A streaming server for MP3 and OGG files. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0-2 (hardy), package size 619 kB, installed size 2540 kB
[04:03] <jgoo> ok google would have helped there... /me quits to fix network
[04:03] <jgoo> thanks ;-)
[04:03] <DanaG> Remember that !info thingy.
[04:10] <balleyne> in attempting to upgrade from gutsy to the hardy release candidate, I have encountered a problem... After the download, just as the install was starting, I received an error message which said it couldn't continue and told me to run dpkg --configure -a. I ran it, nothing happened, then I stupidly did a apt-get upgrade
[04:10] <balleyne> now, when I run update-manager --devel-release, it tells me the tool doesn't support an upgrade from 'hardy' to 'gutsy'
[04:10] <balleyne> any advice? is there a way to revert?
[04:13] <danny> yo
[04:14] <danny> after installing hardy haron, and runnin the 480+ updates, my panels are gone, and i have no idea how to get 'em back :x
[04:16] <WaSrD> being virgin ubuntu 804 user....what should I expect to happen when I plug in a hot swap storage pair formated from longhorn x64 NTFS?
[04:17] <icanhas> WaSrD: generally speaking your brain melts
[04:17] <WaSrD> :P
[04:17] <WaSrD> lol
[04:17] <WaSrD> that's normal
[04:17] <icanhas> No, it should mount fine honestly
[04:18] <WaSrD> ok, so mounting tutorial link somewhere? I can't find much on raids :(
[04:18] <WaSrD> spent 6 hours yesterday trying to boot from raid pair with ubuntu
[04:18] <WaSrD> ended up with something....not sure what
[04:19] <WaSrD> appears to be jbod in stripe
[04:19] <WaSrD> so may have to wipe again when I do figure out how to install ubuntu onto raid pair properly
[04:20] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[04:23] <balleyne> trouble upgrading from gutsy to hardy, and it won't let me run a partial upgrade (which update-manager suggests) because it says it doesn't "support an upgrade from 'hardy' to 'gutsy'"... anyone have any ideas?
[04:23] <Flannel> balleyne: try fixing it manually
[04:24] <balleyne> Flannel: what do you mean?
[04:24] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?
[04:24] <bullgard4> (There is no modules.conf.)
[04:24] <Flannel> balleyne: double check your sources.list points to hardy stuff, then (assuming you have proper metapackages), sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:24] <RyanM> Has anyone happened to run into garbled soun dissues when upgrading from Gutsy?
[04:24] <jscinoz> *cries* swfdec is soooo close to being able to finally replace adobe's flashplugin.. but I cant get it to output sound via pulseaudio, is this possible? and if so how
[04:25] <phoul> Hey all, Is there a good way to disable services from running at boot, Im on the kde4 remix cd.
[04:25] <phoul> Im assuming it defaults to runlevel 4, So would i just chmod -x the ones i dont want running? Or...
[04:26] <balleyne> Flannel: ah, thanks! I tried apt-get upgrade and do-release-upgrade without any luck, but apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be running fine. Thanks!
[04:26] <DanaG> !info swfdec
[04:26] <ubotu> Package swfdec does not exist in hardy
[04:27] <RyanM> Nobody's hit that issue yet? :(
[04:27] <DanaG> I don't even HAVE a 'swfdec'
[04:28] <phoul> Anyone at all
[04:30] <kahrytan> Hello
[04:30] <kahrytan> What does everything think of Hardy thus far?
[04:31] <Some_Person> I am happy to say that I am impressed with the improvements in Hardy-RC.
[04:31] <jgoo> wow. when Microsoft screw something up, theyu go all out, no expense spared to make sure they really screw it up.
[04:32] <jgoo> Now WINDOWS doesn't even wake up the network card.
[04:32] <jgoo> Can anyone quote a security / power reason why Microsoft would basically control the network card and break dual boot? sheesh.
[04:32] <jgoo> or is this just a way of screwing up people's installs?
[04:32] <Some_Person> I am surprised and extremely happy that I no longer have the effects of the annoying nvidia-compiz bug causing white title bars
[04:32] <kahrytan> jgoo->  I've always had that problem in Windows.
[04:33] <kahrytan> jgoo->  It doesnt wake up my network card in XP
[04:33] <jgoo> According to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4586020 people are reinstalling XP just to fix this issue... wtf... ;_;l
[04:33] <jgoo> I just want to get on coding... it is 6:30 am
[04:34] <jgoo> :p
[04:34] <kahrytan> You must live on the otherside of the earth from me
[04:34] <kahrytan> 5:30pm here
[04:34] <Some_Person> 10:34 PM here
[04:35] <jgoo> Perhaps we are at antipodes... let's start stamping our feet at the frequency tesla used in his experiments and see if we can destroy the earth? muahahah
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  East coast?
[04:35] <Some_Person> Texas
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  Central time then?
[04:35] <Some_Person> yep
[04:35] <Iced_Eagle> West Coast is where it's at ;)
[04:35] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Daylight is on?
[04:36] <Some_Person> yes]
[04:36] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  thanks ... We dont do DST here
[04:36] <DanaG> Sun Apr 20 20:36:29 PDT 2008
[04:36] <Some_Person> and i hate it because i have to set all my clocks, then 2 weeks later, they auto-set due to the old DST time, so I have to fix them
[04:36] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  No DST in Hawaii. No clock set backs
[04:37] <RyanM> Anybody have issues with garbled sound in Hardy?
[04:37] <Some_Person> DST is pointless. It should be taken away.
[04:37] <RyanM> Intel SDA card?
[04:37] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  then your governor.
[04:37] <DanaG> Whoever changed the date needs to be slapped.
[04:37] <DanaG> Multiple times.
[04:37] <DanaG> Very hard.
[04:37] <Some_Person> Rick Perry? He won't listen, he's a Republican.
[04:38] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Hawaii Gov is repub but democrats love her.
[04:38] <DanaG> ... and then forced to try recording something during the OLD date change, on a VCR.
[04:38] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  and we shouldnt be talking politics.
[04:38] <Some_Person> Sorry, but I couldn't help it.
[04:38] <DanaG> DST is almost universally reviled, isn't it?
[04:38] <DanaG> By everybody except those who make the rules.
[04:38] <kahrytan> DanaG-> What is the purpose of DST?
[04:39] <Some_Person> DST was originally to give farmers more time to work.
[04:39] <Some_Person> But now it's just that annoying thing we have to deal with.
[04:39] <DanaG> To make people get up earlier and turn on their forced-air heaters, instead of staying in bed where it's warm.
[04:39] <kahrytan> like Labor day
[04:39] <DanaG> .... and thus "save energy?"
[04:39] <DanaG> Bull.
[04:40] <kahrytan> Now every state does DST so I am assuming states can change it.
[04:40] <Some_Person> Not every state.
[04:40] <kahrytan> yeah Not*
[04:40] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?
[04:40] <bullgard4> (There is no modules.conf.)
[04:40] <kahrytan> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160 (The best hardy splash screen ever)
[04:41] <kahrytan> the top ones
[04:41] <DanaG> bullgard4: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:41] <DanaG> add 'blacklist whatever_module_name' on a new line.
[04:41] <kahrytan> I know something Ubuntu could work on...
[04:41] <ethana2> kahrytan: NICE
[04:42] <kahrytan> Seemless transition between Usplash->GDM->Gnome
[04:42] <DanaG> Now try it on a CRT...
[04:42] <kahrytan> ethana2->  I like them too... I use red one. Orange one should be ubuntu default... that is login screens of same color
[04:42] <Some_Person> Usplash --> GDM looks better in Hardy
[04:42] <ethana2> I hate anything longer than green
[04:43] <Some_Person> GDM --> GNOME is not bad
[04:43] <ethana2> ..but I haven't figured out how to add theme stuff to my initial customization scipt
[04:43] <ethana2> script**
[04:43] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  I mean the transition period when one loads, other stops
[04:43] <wastrel> compiz just locked up on me
[04:43] <wastrel> ctrl-alt-backspace unresponsive
[04:44] <wastrel> rebooted
[04:44] <Some_Person> You mean make make it faster?
[04:44] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> No. In stead of black screens or solid colors, add a smoother transition period
[04:44] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Kinda like *cough* Windows does.
[04:45] <Some_Person> Well like I said, they did improve the usplash --> GDM transition
[04:45] <Some_Person> But I still get a blinking _ for a short time
[04:45] <DanaG> wastrel: next time try alt-sysrq-k
[04:46] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  best way for GDM to Desktop is to load nautilus wallpaper behind  GDM
[04:46] <DanaG> I wish companies would give ACCELERATED FRAMEBUFFER!
[04:46] <DanaG> Can't do that on nvidia.
[04:46] <DanaG> I think you can do it on ATI, though.
[04:46] <wastrel> DanaG: there is zero chance i will remember that
[04:46] <Some_Person> I think it should all fade. GDM fades out, Wallpaper fades in
[04:46] <kahrytan> and ati doesnt work so nicely on linux
[04:46] <DanaG> Neither does nvidia.
[04:46] <DanaG> For me.
[04:46] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  i was thinking little more .. simplish
[04:47] <Some_Person> Remember, the background comes up before GDM, so you can't load the wallpaper first
[04:47] <ethana2> kernel mode setting will fix all this
[04:47] <ethana2> don't worry
[04:47] <DanaG> Best splash screen ever:
[04:47] <DanaG> throbber only.  Nothing else.
[04:47] <ethana2> Ibex will be perfectly polished from power up to power down
[04:47] <DanaG> .... i.e. as in Vista.
[04:47] <Spenc3> anyone know how can I trigger the SCIM on ubuntu? Seems like the Compiz-Fusion is catching all the key bindings before it hits SCIM, so I can't change my input method :(
[04:47] <DanaG> (I'm being facetious)
[04:47] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  I mean.. there must be some way to preload wallpaper while GDM is front.
[04:48] <Some_Person> I suppose you could load everything behind GDM, but that would use up a lot of RAM in lower end or legacy systems
[04:48] <Spenc3> anyone know how to get SCIM working when i have compiz-fusion on?
[04:48] <kahrytan> Some_Person-> Or after gdm is done, behind with default sesson load.
[04:48] <saminthemiddle> hey guys
[04:48] <kahrytan> *begin
[04:49] <Some_Person> Isn't that already what happens?
[04:49] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  Instead of stopping processing .. keep going
[04:49] <Some_Person> GDM ends, nautilus loads
[04:49] <kahrytan> Login first then desktop
[04:50] <Some_Person> I still think it should simply fade. I think that would eat up less RAM
[04:50] <bullgard4> DanaG: There does not exist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist!
[04:51] <DanaG> Are you sure?
[04:51] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  that would require screenshot of gdm login and nautilus desktop.
[04:51] <DanaG> Fade through black?
[04:51] <bullgard4> DanaG: I have checked my statement using mc.
[04:51] <Some_Person> Why?
[04:51] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: fading to black requires something to fade from
[04:52] <gusnan> Is there a graphical installer for Hardy?
[04:52] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: kahrytan: unless of course it's using something like opengl
[04:52] <DanaG> usplash->black->gdm
[04:52] <kahrytan> gusnan->  yes
[04:52] <cwillu> gusnan, the live cd is a graphical installer
[04:52] <DanaG> Usplash does fadeout, gdm does fadein.
[04:52] <RAOF> Some_Person: Yeah, this sort of stuff is being discussed; as I understand it you require a composite manager as a part of GDM to make this work well.
[04:52] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  then you have to deal with restricted drivers.
[04:52] <gusnan> Ah, I was meaning like Debian's "installgui" option - non-live-cd using graphics.
[04:52] <DanaG> I wish nvidia would make a **** accelerated framebuffer driver.
[04:52] <Some_Person> well you don't want to force a composite manager on every user
[04:52] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: that and unfriendliness to laptop users
[04:53] <RAOF> Some_Person: Well, you might.  It's not like they're performance intensive.
[04:53] <saminthemiddle> Some_Person: forgive me, but what's the problem with taking a screenshot
[04:53] <Some_Person> Although, the background that comes up before GDM on my system fades in. How does that work?
[04:53] <kahrytan> Ubuntu only defaults open source software.
[04:53] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[04:53] <RAOF> You would need some way of cleanly handing off from one CM to another, though.
[04:54] <DanaG> How can there be no 'blacklist' file?  Did you remove it?
[04:54] <DanaG> It's there on the default system.
[04:54] <Some_Person> RAOF: well, they are. some compiz effects are already not smooth on this system, and the darn compiz didnt even work well until hardy
[04:54] <DanaG> (It's not an executable.)
[04:54]  * DanaG force-quits every time he closes Firefox, because it takes too damn long.
[04:54] <kahrytan> Has anyone done about:config in firefox 3 yet?
[04:55] <RAOF> Some_Person: How about metacity?  How about xcompmgr?  xfce4?  kde?  Compiz performance is not necessarily indicative of compositors in general.
[04:55] <cwillu> kahrytan, about 7 months ago :p
[04:55] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: I have. Why?
[04:55] <nemo> hey folks, I'm still getting pinged by my oh-so-patient mom on the fact that Hardy broke her wireless...
[04:55] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217809
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[04:55] <Some_Person> "This might void your warranty"?
[04:55] <kahrytan> RAOF->  Metacity has compositor builtin in hardy now
[04:55] <nemo> anyway. I'm looking into how I can get more info into that bug
[04:55] <Some_Person> hmm, metacity works fine on my system
[04:55] <kahrytan> I found ff3 about config funny
[04:55] <RAOF> kahrytan: Yes, I know.  I'm not sure why you said that :)
[04:55] <Some_Person> kde I haven't extensively tried
[04:55] <nemo> I note that the kernel sources dump a lot more info with #ifdef CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG
[04:56] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I have done it, but I didn't change anything
[04:56] <nemo> oops.
[04:56] <Some_Person> never tried xfce and never heard of xcompmgr
[04:56] <nemo> erm. ignore the ifdef :)
[04:56] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  worried you might void the warranty?
[04:56] <nemo> anyway. I was wondering what the package was to fetch a full set of kernel sources under ubuntu
[04:56] <Some_Person> kahrytan: metacity has compositing?
[04:56] <RAOF> nemo: linux-source
[04:56] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  yes
[04:56] <nemo> RAOF: thanks
[04:56] <RAOF> Some_Person: Yeah: /apps/metacity/general/comosite_manager
[04:56] <Some_Person> kahrytan: what does it do with it?
[04:56] <cwillu> Some_Person, kahrytan, metacity has a hacked version of xcompmgr build in
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I was planning on changing the location of the cache file to a ram disk, but then my friend noted that running more than one cache from more than one profile in the same directory was a security risk, so I mounted tmpfs systems on the various caches that firefox made
[04:57] <kahrytan> Some_Person->  small effects ..shadows ..transparency
[04:57] <cwillu> does server or client side compositing, basic fades, transparency and shadows
[04:57] <Some_Person> kahrytan: hmm, will look into it tomorrow
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: firefox has a warantee :-P I want my money back
[04:57] <Some_Person> for now, goodnight, it's 11 PM
[04:57] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  You might want to change oneconfig to reflect FF RC
[04:57] <cwillu> most useful for no-effects at all though (avoiding redraws)
[04:57] <Some_Person> bye
[04:57] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: If you're running Hardy, it's literally a few mouseclicks to enable it.
[04:57] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: it's okay, it works the way I have it set up
[04:57] <DanaG> server? client?  How does that apply to compositing?
[04:57] <kahrytan> Metacity compositor is beta and slower then compiz
[04:58] <RyanPrior> kahrytan: that comment was directed at Some_Person, sorry.
[04:58] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: it's just to keep firefox from trashing my hard disk when it's in laptop mode
[04:58] <DanaG> spindown never works for me.
[04:58] <danny> how do i get to the compiz settings in hardy?
[04:58] <RAOF> kahrytan: Heh.  Depends on your drivers whether metacity is slower than compiz or not, basically.
[04:58] <DanaG> At least, if I set it to 5 seconds, or even 15 seconds, it never ever spins down.
[04:59] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> change this config in ff urlbar.maxrichresultsand reduce it to 6.
[04:59] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what does that config do?
[04:59] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> urlbar.maxrichresults ... FF3 RC changed it. It' reduces numbe of live results in url bar
[04:59] <nemo> RAOF: hey. since you seem familiar. I installed linux backports out of hopes it would fix my iwl3945 issues
[04:59] <DanaG> wwwFREEEEEEZE.anFREEEEEEEEEEEEZEandtFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEtech.com
[04:59] <nemo> RAOF: was there anything further I needed to do?
[04:59] <DanaG> I hate that freezing.
[04:59] <jgoo> oh man. the whole point of buying that machine was to stop using this crappy dev machine, and port over - but I can't because Microsoft Vista, an OS I would never ever buy, was shipped on this machine by this crappy coimpany I told them not to use, and now I've disabled / enabled everything in vista to stop it screwing my network card but to no avail.
[05:00] <nemo> RAOF: linux backports would overwrite existing iwl3945 driver right?
[05:00] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  instead of the default 12 in url bar search, there is 6.
[05:00] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: oh, so that will save my disk by not looking up as many live results, huh?
[05:00] <RAOF> nemo: Yup.  That should be all you need to do.
[05:00] <jgoo> I am just going to bring in my laptop to the office, and screw it. they can let it gather dust
[05:00] <nemo> RAOF: durn then it didn't fix it :-/
[05:00] <T1m0thy> Is the FF flash problem fixed yet? :|
[05:00] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> it will tell ff not to do so many results
[05:00] <jgoo> 4gb ram, 4400+ dual core pile of unusable malware
[05:00] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: but I don't mind lots of results
[05:01] <DanaG> IFREEEEEZE do mFREEEEEEZEind the freezing.
[05:01] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  just saying, Firefox 3 RC changed it to 6.
[05:01] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what I don't like is FF waking my disk every time I load a webpage, and it's not a problem anymore because I made the cache in a tmpfs partition
[05:01] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I see, so I should expect a change. Thanks
[05:02] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  turn off cache?
[05:02] <nemo> RAOF: also. an odd thing.  $ ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 110516 2008-04-10 13:13 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/updates/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> oops. didn't mean to include ls -l
[05:02] <nemo> and -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 106148 2008-04-11 09:11 /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko
[05:02] <nemo> both of these have timestamps from over 10 days ago
[05:02] <nemo> 1) I installed the linux backports yesterday
[05:03] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: not a good idea to turn off the cache, the cache really is good to have. When you are browsing a website most of the content is static anyway. It really does increase surfing speed to have a cache. Besides, it's good manners as it doesnt stress the hosts bandwith as much
[05:03] <DanaG> backports has a new iwl3945.
[05:03] <nemo> 2) I thought the 2.6.24-16 linux backports was released later
[05:03] <nemo> DanaG: really?? so I *am* out of date!
[05:03] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle-> Someone did same that there is a way to change profile location
[05:03] <DanaG> New iwl3945 only matters for enterprise-level security, I hear.
[05:04] <DanaG> firefox -ProfileManager
[05:04] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan; yeah, you don't want to change the location of the entire profile though
[05:04] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: remember, you don't want your bookmarks and such to go bye-bye every time your reboot ;-P
[05:04] <nemo> DanaG: well, WPA-PSK hasn't worked for me since iwl3945
[05:04] <nemo> DanaG: actually, I believe my experiments with WEP failed too
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: dude in the  bug said linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic  fixed his issue, getting my hopes up
[05:05] <DanaG> I have wpa2 with AES, and it works for me.
[05:05] <DanaG> dd-wrt router.
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: WPA, not WPA2
[05:05] <DanaG> And backports-modules is installed.
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: don't worry about it, I fixed the problem by adding a line in my /etc/fstab creating a tmpfs in the Cache directory in my Firefox profile
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: now firefox doesn't wake the drive. Except when it's just been opened and still loading libries and other stuff
[05:05] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  share that with everyone else
[05:05] <nemo> DanaG: I could try dropping to WEP, but I don't think it helped.
[05:05] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan
[05:06] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: sure, I'll do that
[05:06] <DanaG> Hmm, try manually setting "encryption type"
[05:06] <nemo> hm. says I'm already up to date on linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-16-generic
[05:06] <DanaG> That is, AES-CCMP or TKIP
[05:06] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  Some one else might want same thing
[05:06] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: well, I'm working on a big how-to on making Ubuntu play nice with a laptop. It will be part of that
[05:06] <nemo> DanaG: in /etc/networks/interfaces ?
[05:07] <nemo> DanaG: or on the router?
[05:07] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  every use google sync?
[05:07] <nemo> DanaG: I think it is TKIP on the router
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: to give you a preview, I brought my laptop's power consumption down from 20W to 12W
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: nope, what's google sync?
[05:07] <kahrytan> Oh crap ... I cant use ff3
[05:07] <DanaG> Are you using networkmanager?
[05:07] <DanaG> I am, and it works through there.
[05:07] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: fore more reasons that that it's super unstable with flash?
[05:08] <kahrytan> Google toolbar/sync dont work in FF3
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: I try to. however ubuntu hardy has completely broken network manager for remote admin
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: is unusable using ssh -YC or nxclient
[05:08] <DanaG> No ncurses UI for it.  Sucks.
[05:08] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  Google Sync is bookmark sync between computers/oses
[05:08] <balleyn1> sound problems after upgrade to Hardy... not quite sure how to diagnose the problem or where to start. Any suggestions?
[05:08] <nemo> DanaG: that stupid stupid polkit
[05:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I could do 10W if it weren't for a bug that got introduced in Hardy that prevents the backlight on my computer from going down below 20% (I filed a bug report on that one)
[05:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: nope, I just use this computer. it's a laptop
[05:09] <nemo> DanaG: lemme see if my mom will let me through on vnc :-/
[05:09] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: I tweaked my dsdt to replace the lowest brightness level with zero.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: and I use a Dvorak keyboard too, hate using other people's computers because of it :-P
[05:09] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. were you referring to a setting in network-manager or on the router?
[05:09] <DanaG> My screen is so dim, I can see it better in direct sunlight than in the shade.
[05:09] <DanaG> In NM.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: do tell how
[05:09] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  call me quirky but i prefer qwerty.
[05:09] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: yes, that is one of the reasons I want to tweak mine
[05:10] <DanaG> It should ask for key somewhere, and there's the "encryption type"  (default is Automatic)
[05:10] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[05:10] <DanaG> !find /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:11] <ubotu> No packages matching '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' could be found
[05:11] <DanaG> !find blacklist
[05:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'blacklist' could be found
[05:11] <DanaG> !/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:11] <balleyn1> anyone able to help me with sound issues in hardy? (not sure where to start really...)
[05:11] <DanaG> WTF?  It's been there on 100% of Ubuntu computers I've ever used.
[05:11] <homeslice> my pulseaudio only works with one device at a time, so If I'm using rhthymbox I can't hear anything from a WINE application.  any suggestions?
[05:12] <magnus|msc> hi
[05:12] <bullgard4> DanaG: Yes. Me too. But in Hardy it's different.
[05:12] <DanaG> It's still there for me in Hardy.
[05:12] <DanaG> what IS in modprobe.d
[05:12] <DanaG> ?
[05:13] <mohamed_> install gnome application on kubuntu and the opposite this normal or can affect the system ?
[05:13] <magnus|msc> is there something in 2.6.24 reducing the ram ??
[05:13] <saminthemiddle> homeslice: make sure that all the apps are using the sound server, the sound server is just like any other app when it comes to the alsa layer or whatever you are using for sound contol. Without the mixer (pulse audio, in this case) your devices can only run a single source at a time. Therefore if another app is occupying the device pulse audio can not. Thus it will seem that you can only run one of the apps at a time thou
[05:13] <saminthemiddle> gh the pulse audio sound server
[05:14] <balleyn1> mohamed_: you can install GNOME apps in KDE and vice versa, if that's what you're asking, but it'll install all the appropriate libraries if you don't have them already
[05:15] <edoceo> Is it possible to rename my user?
[05:15] <edoceo> My account is now 'alan' and I want it to be 'bill'
[05:15] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, when you modified your DSDT file, did it stay permanent? I notice that my DSDT file is in /proc and that clears on each reboot
[05:15] <mohamed_> balleyn1,  this is what i'm asking for , only i ask to know if this can affect performance ?
[05:16] <saminthemiddle> edoceo: you can change the long name easily but the short name is hard to do
[05:16] <DanaG> You have to copy it somewhere, dissemble it with iasl, edit it, recompile it (iasl -sa), and then copy to:
[05:16] <DanaG> /etc/initramfs-tools/DSDT.aml
[05:16] <DanaG> Yes, caps.  Odd.
[05:16] <edoceo> So whats the hard way?
[05:16] <cwillu> mohamed_, you'll increase disk usage (which won't matter at all to most people), and you'll also be using a bit more memory
[05:16] <edoceo> Single user mode, rename directory, had edit passwd and shadow?
[05:16] <DanaG> ô˛ô
[05:16] <magnus|msc> edoceo: you can simply add a new user and move the home directory i think
[05:16] <saminthemiddle> edoceo: you might break stuff, the best way to do it is to make a new user and cp over your files
[05:16] <edoceo> That freaking easy?
[05:16] <edoceo> !?
[05:17] <edoceo> brb....
[05:17] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, thanks. Big help, I hope the Ubuntu team fixes the problem though.
[05:17] <mohamed_> thx, balleyn1 , cwillu
[05:17] <DanaG> bug 121833
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:17] <DanaG> A shame it gets the percentages wrong.
[05:18] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  i guess that bug DanaG  pointed is for you.?
[05:18] <DanaG> yeah.  That's the issue I've had.
[05:18] <balleyn1> anyone able to help me diagnose sound issues in Hardy? (I have no sound)
[05:19] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: no, that's not my problem. My issue is the backlight *won't* turn off. And DanaG gave me the solution to it (I hope)
[05:19] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  do you use compiz on laptop?
[05:19] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: god no, compiz takes too much power
[05:19] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: you can also try installing kde-guidance-powermanager
[05:19] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I figured as much
[05:19] <DanaG> It's much smarter about brightness.
[05:20] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: the KDE power manager? I even tried xbacklight and that won't even turn down the light
[05:20] <doofy_> how do i choose which track my computer records from by default?
[05:20] <DanaG> Odd.  Does it not change levels, or does it just not turn off on lid close?
[05:20] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: it will turn it down to a level but then won't go down past 20%
[05:20] <nemo> DanaG: oh. hey. um. I was using network-admin - the default gnome tool
[05:20] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:21] <nemo> I suppose network-manager is the applet that calls that?
[05:21] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: hold on, let me look up my bug
[05:21] <DanaG> That thing is not the same as networkmanager.
[05:21] <DanaG> But networkmanager has no console UI.
[05:21] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I dont want a laptop
[05:22] <nemo> DanaG: erm. ok...
[05:22] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: the bug I have is #218712
[05:22] <DanaG> bug 218712
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218712 in ubuntu "Backlight brightness on Lenovo R61 won't go all the way down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218712
[05:22] <nemo> DanaG: how do I get network manager? open for any options.  I also checked in wifi-radar - no option to set encryption type
[05:22] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  How long does the battery last currently?
[05:23] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: a little over four hours on my R61 with a 6-cell
[05:23] <DanaG> Odd.  I don't know what to do, then.
[05:23] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: try unloading 'video' to let just the thinkpad-acpi module work.
[05:23] <nemo> hum. well. let me at least try changing the encryption type on the router. can't hurt to give that a shot I suppose
[05:23] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  you want more eh?
[05:23] <DanaG> Oh, and the reason for the "100 100 20 25 ..." is this: the first two are default brightness when on battery and AC, respectively.
[05:23] <nemo> can also try WEP
[05:24] <nemo> again
[05:24] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: unloading video? I don't have a video module loaded
[05:24] <DanaG> 'video' -- it's an ACPI module.
[05:24] <DanaG> Not a video driver.
[05:24] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I do all day computing when off the grid: I'm thinking of getting an additional 3-cell ultrabay battery or a 9-cell main
[05:25] <nemo> durn. don't think this router lets me set the encryption to anything but TKIP
[05:25] <DanaG> I don't know what to do, then.
[05:25] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: oh, thanks, how do I unload the video module of ACPI
[05:25] <DanaG> I've had one router that simply REFUSED to give me an IP address.  Ever.
[05:25] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  which bigger one be better?
[05:25] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: sudo modprobe -r video
[05:25] <Xaroon> hello
[05:25] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: here goes nothing
[05:26] <nemo> DanaG: no dhcp I could work around. is more the issue with all the driver errors in dmesg that keep me from even getting that far :-/
[05:26] <Xaroon> ubuntu 8.04 MSI S430 notebook support ?
[05:26] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: they both give the same amount of life, but 6+9 is bigger than 6+3 if you don't mind carrying a loose spare
[05:27] <kahrytan> Xaroon-> better question is .. does linux support the chipset
[05:27] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: now it won't set the brightness at all, let me edit the /sys file directly
[05:27] <DanaG> aah.
[05:27] <DanaG> You could also try 'sudo modprobe video no_automatic_changes=0"
[05:28] <kahrytan> Im gonna have to switch to FF 2 cuz of Google's slowness in bring their extentions to FF3 standard
[05:28] <kahrytan> extensions
[05:28] <phynix> anyone else had a problem updating compiz. I keep getting size mismatch whenever I try to update
[05:28] <saminthemiddle> DanaG, all that did was to make the screen brightness change slowly...
[05:29] <atlef> kahrytan: which extension?
[05:29] <sparr_> why are there xmms-* packages but no xmms package?
[05:29] <sparr_> we have xmms2 and xmms2-foo, and xmms-foo, but no just plain xmms
[05:29] <DanaG> Odd.  I don't know what to do, then.
[05:29] <kahrytan> atlef->  toolbar/sync
[05:29] <DanaG> The only thing left is mucking with the dsdt.
[05:29] <atlef> kahrytan: oh, for gmail and such?
[05:30] <kahrytan> atlef->  ewww  i hate gmail.
[05:30] <atlef> kahrytan: ok, thought you meant google toolbar
[05:30] <kahrytan> atlef-> The interface is ummm drab and dull. Y! mail or Live mail excels over google in web based mail interfaces
[05:31] <kahrytan> atlef->  I said Google Toolbar and Sync. Not Gmail.
[05:31] <atlef> kahrytan: Y!mail, yay
[05:31] <atlef> kahrytan: ok
[05:31] <DanaG> But they seriously do need to re-add the 0% option.
[05:31] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: thanks, I'm going to muck with the DSDT. Do you know if it's supposed to go all the way down in the first place? I know that in Ubuntu 7 I could use xbacklight to bring it down to 10% which was perfect for lecture halls and dropped the power I needed by about 2 watts. I would like to get those watts back :-P
[05:32] <DanaG> As it is now, it reports the WRONG numeric percentages.
[05:32] <kahrytan> atlef->  Y! mail interface is nice.
[05:32] <sparr_> uhm, wtf
[05:32] <sparr_> where is xmms in hardy?!?
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  use audacious?
[05:32] <sparr_> no.
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: so you think it's one of those "features"
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  its the same thing
[05:32] <atlef> kahrytan: just make sure you have separate profiles, as ff3 can screw with your ff2
[05:32] <DanaG> It's probably related to my bug 121833
[05:32] <sparr_> no, it's not
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: they keep adding features and I'm going to switch to Gentoo
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:32] <saminthemiddle> bug 121833
[05:32] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Audacious is a fork of XMMS. All skins and plugins work in it
[05:33] <DanaG> They've now hard restricted it to those brightness levels reported in the dsdt.
[05:33] <DanaG> And now it gives WRONG numeric values!
[05:33] <kahrytan> atlef->  ubuntu does that
[05:33] <DanaG> 100, 85, 71, 57, 42, 28, 14, 0
[05:33] <DanaG> Real levels: 100, 87, 75, 67, 50, 37, 25, 12
[05:34] <DanaG> 42 is not 50!
[05:34] <DanaG> And 12 is not zero!
[05:34] <atlef> kahrytan: i have finally accepted ff3, after finding substitutes for some of my extensions
[05:34] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: I see, sounds like a "feature" to me. I noticed another "feature" is they removed optical disks from the "media devices" preferences in Gnome. Now I have to deal with Rhythmbox opening every time I want to play a CD
[05:34] <nickrud> 42 is more meaningful, however
[05:34] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: now that stuff is in Nautilus
[05:34] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: thanks
[05:34] <DanaG> It's not correct.
[05:34] <kahrytan> atlef->  I use Google Sync .. I dont trust anyone else with my bookmarks
[05:34] <sparr_> wtf
[05:34] <sparr_> a linux release without xmms
[05:34] <DanaG> 42 is not what's given in the dsdt.
[05:34] <sparr_> that's...
[05:34] <sparr_> unreal
[05:34] <DanaG> And 12% is not 'off'
[05:34] <nickrud> DanaG sorry, that's the meaning of life :)
[05:35] <atlef> kahrytan: ah, so that's what it is for
[05:35] <DanaG> Zero implies 'off' to me.
[05:35] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ apt-get install xmms
[05:35] <DanaG> 20 ≠ 0.
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> sparr_, since xmms is...  obsolete?  it's not such a bad thing
[05:35] <atlef> oohh, sunrise
[05:35] <kahrytan> atlef-> and many others things i dont use
[05:35] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: no longer exists
[05:35] <DanaG> And there's no way to actually GET zero.
[05:35] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: gone in hardy
[05:35] <goodhabit> Hello. When I am using media keys for changing vilume (with nice indicator) sound changes, but not that in tray, how to fix it?
[05:35] <DanaG> xmms is long dead and obsolete.
[05:35] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ beep media player replaced it after xmms went depricated
[05:35] <kahrytan> Audacious is XMMS replacement
[05:36] <DanaG> My only valid use for xmms: tone generator.
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: couldn't you use greasemonkey scripts?
[05:36] <kahrytan> atlef->  I never understood how that worked
[05:36] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: I need a tone generator: more like a whitenoise generator
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: or am i way of
[05:36] <sparr_> long dead?
[05:36] <sparr_> xmms had a release like 5 months ago
[05:36] <DanaG> saminthemiddle: there's speaker-test
[05:36] <sparr_> that's nothing unusual
[05:36] <atlef> kahrytan: i can take a look
[05:36] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: heh, misappropriating applications, thanks
[05:37] <kahrytan> atlef->  what?
[05:37] <edoceo> So, copied my account to a new name and tada!  I'm back baby
[05:37] <kahrytan> sparr_->  why not use XMMS forkA?
[05:38]  * DanaG uses quodlibet
[05:38] <DanaG> It's one of the few apps to still have working media-control keys.
[05:38] <edoceo> Only, the startup programs are asking to be run as the previous user...
[05:38] <atlef> kahrytan: seems no one has written a script for google sync
[05:38] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ oh, by the way, you might want to look into Quod Libet, best_media_player_ever
[05:38] <DanaG> .... except when it stops showing any files.
[05:39] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: or i might want to look into xmms
[05:39] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quodlibet/+bug/155348
[05:39] <sparr_> kahrytan: there are many xmms forks.  i dont want them.  i want xmms.
[05:39] <DanaG> Rather annoying.
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155348 in quodlibet "Filesystem browser stops listing files with GtkWarning" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:39] <kahrytan> sparr_->  why>?
[05:39] <mc-george> Hi there, I can't seem to install vmware on ubuntu
[05:39] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ suit yourself, but if you have lots and lots of media like I do, it really helps to have regex search capability
[05:39] <mc-george> I'm trying to follow this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=748715 but it won't work
[05:40] <sparr_> up until today i could count the number of audio files i had played on my PC on one hand
[05:40] <saminthemiddle> DanaG; huh, I haven't suffered that bug
[05:40] <kahrytan> atlef->  Google should their extensions w/ RC release
[05:40] <kahrytan> should have*
[05:40] <mc-george> hello?
[05:40] <DanaG> It started happening once I selected a "collection" folder.
[05:40] <saminthemiddle> DanaG; must be becasue I don't use filesystem view. The whole point of Quod Libet is to use tag sorting. At least for me
[05:41] <DanaG> Better way to describe the point:
[05:41] <DanaG> It's to let people CHOOSE either way!@
[05:41] <DanaG> I like filesystem view.
[05:41] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: vmware is crunk, try KVM and QEMU
[05:41] <mc-george> are they just as easy?
[05:41] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Why mustyou use XMMS?
[05:41] <mc-george> is there a guide for hardy to use windows vistually?
[05:42] <mluser_> any other hardy gamers having problems running world of warcraft with the latest ati driver updates?
[05:42] <saminthemiddle> me-george: super easy and much much faster, as KVM gives you hardware accelerated processor emulation
[05:42] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, is there a guide?
[05:42] <DanaG> No mouse integration.  :(
[05:42] <saminthemiddle> mluser_ there is WOW for ubuntu?!!
[05:42] <mluser_> saminthemiddle: running under wine..
[05:42] <sparr_> kahrytan: why NOT?
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: yeah, google it, I lost my bookmark for the guide I used, sorry
[05:43] <kahrytan> sparr_->  There is better choices, ihmo
[05:43] <kahrytan> imho
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mc-george; but it's only a few commands so it's super duper easy
[05:43] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, am I only installing one or both?
[05:43] <saminthemiddle> mluser_ oh
[05:43] <RAOF> mc-george, saminthemiddle: Or you can use virt-manager, and have a nice GUI around it.
[05:44] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: i have lots and lots of media.  not to get into an e-peen fight, but probably more than most people... but i never use it.  i have a terabyte of porn that ive never watched, and as much music that ive never listened to.  i just decided a few minutes ago that im going to start playing some music while i code, and i went to install xmms, and it wasnt there
[05:44] <DanaG> So, what makes xmms special?
[05:44] <saminthemiddle> mc-george: both, just do what the guide says. KVM and QEMU are complemary. I don't think KVM works w/o QEMU but QEMU works w/o KVM as long as you don't need the hardware acceleration
[05:44] <sparr_> it's been something like 8 years since i used an audio player, and xmms is what im used to
[05:44] <Jawshie> Hello everybody!
[05:44] <mc-george> saminthemiddle, I can't find the guide
[05:45] <sparr_> and yes, i get the Bleep and Audacious are forks with as many and more features
[05:45] <RAOF> mc-george: You want the virt-manager and libvirt-bin packages.
[05:45] <sparr_> but we are beyond that point in the discussion
[05:45] <sparr_> now it's the principle of the matter
[05:45] <sparr_> why NOT xmms?
[05:45] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ wow, that's a lot of porn...
[05:45] <sparr_> not really
[05:45] <RAOF> sparr_: because it's gtk 1.2 :P
[05:45] <mc-george> raof: thats all, then insert xp cd?
[05:45] <Jawshie> I just set up the RC for 8.04 and installed it as LTSP. I tried to connect other machines to it and it works, it gets an IP and starts with a Ubuntu loading screen but then goes to something called Busybox. I was under the impression that it would work out of the box. What do I need to do to get a desktop on my diskless machine?
[05:45] <voidmage> figures, the day apport is turned off, firefox segfaults like 8 times
[05:45] <voidmage> :P
[05:45] <sparr_> ive got ten times that on CDs.  i had nothing better to do in college than apply 20 megabit of pipe to a site-local usenet server  :)
[05:46] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ because XMMS is one more package that the devs have to maintain and it has been obsolete for years after it has been abandoned. Other projects have taken over for XMMS where it left off (and are decentants) such as Beep Media Player
[05:46] <RAOF> mc-george: Then you'll want to insert the XP cd, and start Applications->System Tools->Virtual machine manager.
[05:46] <mc-george> ok, thanks
[05:46] <sparr_> saminthemiddle: nix "abandoned".  as mentioned already, xmms had a release less than six months ago.  i can name some distros that havent had releases since then...  :)
[05:47] <RAOF> mc-george: Select the "localhost" entry (because you can also administer remote VMs), and hit the "new" button.  You'll get a nice druid to guide you through the process of creating your VM.
[05:47] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ and if you want XMMS so much that you absolutely must have it even though it's an unmaintaned piece of garbage at this point. There's this cool program called GCC.
[05:47] <mc-george> raof, thanks
[05:47] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ it's still obsolete
[05:48] <mc-george> raof: I put the cd and went to the manager, now what?
[05:48] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Why don't you talk to xmms developers and get them to produce a hardy package
[05:49] <kahrytan> sparr_->  or do it yourself
[05:49] <sparr_> its still packaged for debian
[05:49] <sparr_> the debian package maintainer was the gutsy package maintainer
[05:49] <NotSure> Hi, Anyone know what pkg. name to look in synaptics for app. named LSongs (CD PLayer - & Burner) - Can't find it under a search of "lsongs"?
[05:49] <mc-george> raof?
[05:49] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ so use Debian
[05:49] <kahrytan> talk to -motd then and stop complaining.
[05:49] <RAOF> mc-george: You want to select the 'locahost (user)' thing there.
[05:49] <NotSure> Did google serach not coming up with much.
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: i don't see that
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: Double clicking on it will 'connect' to it.
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: ... oh.
[05:50] <RAOF> mc-george: Have you installed libvirt-bin?
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: I don't see anything to connect to
[05:50] <mc-george> raof: yes
[05:50] <sparr_> im going to email him and ask why he is abandoning ubuntu  :(
[05:51] <RAOF> mc-george: Hm.  Try running "sudo /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin start".
[05:51] <mc-george> raof: done
[05:51] <RAOF> mc-george: Something showing up in vitual machine manager now?
[05:51] <mc-george> raof: no
[05:52] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Debian packager?
[05:52] <RAOF> mc-george: :(
[05:52] <RAOF> mc-george: Maybe try restarting, although that's really silly :(
[05:52] <RAOF> sparr_: xmms is removed from Sid.
[05:52] <mc-george> raof: I went to the option to make a new host, its working
[05:52] <RAOF> Heh, OK.
[05:52] <kahrytan> RAOF-> that would explain the missing xmms.
[05:53] <RAOF> Yes, it would, wouldn't it :)
[05:53] <kahrytan> RAOF->  Since Ubuntu imports from debian
[05:53] <cwillu> sparr_, I might note that slackware ditched xmms
[05:53] <RAOF> The great gtk 1.2 purge is nearly complete.
[05:53] <mc-george> raof: it won't let me select the cd
[05:53] <sparr_> RAOF: hmm, that news has not reached my debian box yet...
[05:53] <saminthemiddle> RAOF, kahrytan: when Debian abandons it, it's freaking obsolete :-P
[05:54] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  I use Audacious .. XMMS port
[05:54] <RAOF> sparr_: It never will.  Just because it's no longer in the archives doesn't mean that dpkg will magically uninstall it.
[05:54] <RAOF> sparr_: But if you install a new Sid you won't be able to install xmms.  Oh, unless you're on kfreebsd, apparently.
[05:54] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: I use Quod Libet, but if I were to use an XMMS type of player I would use BMP. I need Quod Libet's organizing as I have tens of thousands of classical music tracks
[05:55] <RAOF> mc-george: Damn, that sucks.  I've never actually installed from CD - I've always been installing Debian netinst isos :)
[05:55] <sparr_> RAOF: well, im more thinking of future library upgrades causing it to break, and a new version not being available
[05:55] <mc-george> raof: ok
[05:56] <kahrytan> Back
[05:56] <RAOF> sparr_: Heh. gtk1.2 library updates?  That'll soon be in the same boat ;)
[05:56] <kahrytan> saminthemiddle->  So .. do you program?
[05:56] <RAOF> mc-george: I seem to recall some form of bug report about this;  maybe you should browse launchpad?
[05:56] <sparr_> sounds like a package in need of a maintainer...
[05:56] <sparr_> ive been looking to adopt a package, this might be the right time
[05:56] <mc-george> raof: I'm downloading a xp sp2 iso now
[05:57] <RAOF> sparr_: What, gtk 1.2?  There's a big push to get rid of that from Debian, too.
[05:57] <kahrytan> sparr_->  Adopt it for Debian.
[05:57] <RAOF> mc-george: Don't you have a CD there?  Just pull that iso off the disc :)
[05:57] <Andre_Gondim>  witch language pack, may I change to translation channel source?
[05:57] <mc-george> raof: its an nLited disc
[05:58] <sparr_> RAOF: xmms
[05:58] <RAOF> sparr_: It'll involve porting xmms to gtk+ 2.
[05:58] <sparr_> or adopting gtk1.2 as well
[05:59] <DanaG> Why bother? Seriously, why "MUST" you have xmms and nothing else?
[05:59] <sparr_> because i like it
[05:59] <sparr_> nostalgia, if nothing else
[05:59] <RAOF> sparr_: No.  gtk1.2 is *going away*.
[05:59] <saminthemiddle> DanaG: because sparr_ is a fanboy who likes complaining
[06:00] <sparr_> RAOF: libraries should never go away because of age
[06:00] <sparr_> that just makes building old shit even harder
[06:00] <DanaG> But gtk1 is fugly under any modern desktop.
[06:01] <nemo> DAMMIT ALL TO HELL
[06:01] <nemo> figured out what the friggen problem was with wifi
[06:01] <RAOF> nemo: Killswitch?
[06:03] <sparr_> or i guess i can just use audacious
[06:03] <saminthemiddle> nemo: well, don't leave us hanging, what was it?
[06:03] <sparr_> but im still angry
[06:03] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ :'(
[06:03] <kahrytan> sparr_->   Yeah .. come over to Audacious side.
[06:03] <sparr_> on a high note, audacious is surprisingly fast to add 27000 files to the playlist through recursive directories  :)
[06:04] <cwillu> saminthemiddle, don't be sad, just dump him in your ignore file where he belongs :p
[06:04] <saminthemiddle> sparr_ :''''''(
[06:04] <sparr_> now, an experiment in chance...
[06:04] <sparr_> how long until i hear something that ive heard (elsewhere) before
[06:04] <saminthemiddle> cwillu: oh, I'm just being nasty at this point
[06:04] <kahrytan> sparr_->  shuffle mode?
[06:04] <sparr_> yes, but i said elsewhere
[06:04] <sparr_> like, on the radio
[06:05] <sparr_> ive heard a few hundred different songs on the radio
[06:05] <sparr_> and most of them are on this playlist
[06:05] <cwillu> I have nothing against nostalgia, I'm playing railroad tycoon deluxe right now in dosbox :p
[06:05] <sparr_> im more a transport tycoon guy.  especially now that OpenTTD is really starting to shine
[06:05] <sparr_> and available on handhelds  :)
[06:08] <kahrytan> Firefox 3 doesnt have Google support
[06:08] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: what do you mean?
[06:09] <kahrytan> no Toolbar
[06:09] <sparr_> who uses that??
[06:09] <kahrytan> I do
[06:09] <sparr_> anything i put in the address bar that's not a URL gets sent to firefox
[06:09] <kahrytan> and Sync
[06:09] <sparr_> err, to google
[06:09] <saminthemiddle> kahrytan: google toolbar? have you gone completly mad?
[06:09] <kahrytan> I use form completing in it all the time
[06:11] <sparr_> form completing?  elaborate please
[06:12] <kahrytan> as in .. not having to fill in form elements myself
[06:12] <sparr_> doesn't firefox already do that for you?
[06:13] <andre_pl> whats the preferred way to do dual-displays w/ hardy. the detect-display button didn't pick up my TV on svideo
[06:14] <xtknight> thoughts on Bug 212546
[06:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212546 in pidgin "pidgin no longer flashes/notifies on taskbar upon receipt of message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212546
[06:14] <xtknight> ?
[06:15] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  I don't know if it's a bug or a feature change, but I don't like it
[06:15] <xtknight> JohnPhys,  could you please comment?  only a few days until release :)
[06:16] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  I have my own favorite bugs I'm trying to get someone to package, such as bug #195052 :)
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195052 in inkscape "Latex formula does not work on Ubuntu Hardy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195052
[06:18] <xtknight> JohnPhys, oh what needs to be done? fix released?
[06:19] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  that "fix released" covers the inkscape source and fedora, but not the ubuntu package
[06:19] <xtknight> oh
[06:19] <JohnPhys> It's annoying, since the hardy package was uploaded to gutsy backports with that bug
[06:19] <xtknight> well you will have to file for a freeze exception in order to get it in Ubuntu
[06:20] <JohnPhys> granted, that feature didn't work by default in gutsy anyway, due to a conflict between pstoedit and gs, I think
[06:20] <JohnPhys> yeah, I'm trying to get ahold of a dev for that to occur
[06:20] <xtknight> devs hang in #ubuntu-motu and  (more privately) #ubuntu-devel
[06:21] <JohnPhys> yeah, there's one specific one that said he'd look at it (he uploaded the last inkscape package to hardy), but I haven't heard from him in a while
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Hi, folks. i'm using firefox (ver 3 beta 5) and clicked on a link that is "audio/mpeg". Firefox is presenting me with 5 plugin choices.Media plug-in for Gecko browsers
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Totem Mozilla plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> gxine starter plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> VLC Multimedia Plugin
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Mplayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> How in the world should one choose? What should one choose? What are the differences between the 5?
[06:23] <cwillu> just pick totem
[06:23] <xtknight> well i can make a debdiff for it
[06:23] <xtknight> is that the patch that was committed, do you know?
[06:23] <xtknight> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12978623/eqtexsvg.py.patch
[06:23] <xtknight> seems to be..
[06:23] <cwillu> did you go on an installing rampage at some point in the past?
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: why do you say totem?
[06:24] <redwhitewaldo> can you tell me the diff between them?
[06:25] <JohnPhys> xtknight:  yes, that should be it.  It's just a change in the python script that makes an svg out of a latex equation, so the fix should have no effect on anything other than that package (which might satisfy some "get in during the freeze" requirements)
[06:26] <cwillu> redwhitewaldo, totem is what is supported, the rest you wouldn't want to use unless you already preferred one over the other in general
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: i have no preference
[06:26] <cwillu> yes, that's why I said to use totem :)
[06:26] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: are you saying that the others are not supported?
[06:27] <cwillu> Just Do It. :p
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> i'm on xubuntu 8.04 beta by the way
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> cwillu: i want to understand.
[06:27] <redwhitewaldo> and not just do it. 8-)
[06:28]  * cwillu shrugs, others have written far more thought out comparisons (easily discoverable by google) than he would be able (or willing) to write in a chat channel :p
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> i c
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> thanks
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> i'll search it out
[06:28] <redwhitewaldo> 8-)
[06:28] <d-bos> is there a command to remove everything but the metapackage
[06:28] <d-bos> i wanna start over
[06:29] <cwillu> you'd have to purge everything as well (to remove the config files)
[06:29] <jgoo> So, I figured out the issue with the network. 3 fold
[06:29] <d-bos> so how would i do that?
[06:30] <jgoo> 1) idiot who wired RJ45's screwed one up, 2) It worked in Vista anyway 3) Vista shutting down network card, so I fixed those and now it works (I am in ubuntu)
[06:30] <jgoo> Just to ask a dumb question: I tried enabling advanced desktop effects - so it tried to grab ati driver - but now it is doing a partial upgrade...
[06:31] <jgoo> is a partial upgrade normal?
[06:31] <jgoo> downloading 532 files..
[06:31] <nemo> RAOF, saminthemiddle - sorry. was working over it with mom
[06:32] <saminthemiddle> nemo: oh, don't worry about it
[06:32] <nemo> RAOF, saminthemiddle: the damnable /etc/network/interfaces and/or network-admin did NOT like having a quote  in the password or a space.
[06:32] <saminthemiddle> nemo: :-P I'll remember that!
[06:32] <nemo> I noticed this only when I swithced to WEP and got an error like iwlconfig - unterminated string
[06:33] <nemo> then,  when I removed the quote, an error about unknkown parameter (for part of the password) due to the space
[06:33] <nemo> as soon as I made pass pure alnum, worked fine.
[06:33] <nemo> goddammit.
[06:33] <nemo> that was a gigantic waste of time.
[06:34] <xtknight> JohnPhys, i'll post a debdiff for his patch ( a debian version of it, making the process faster ).  in the meantime you can write up the freeze exception paperwork for the bug per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-4bba384c89c09d141f4e2cc06816d0405593db5c
[06:35] <xtknight> this thing's stil compiling so ill have to do that tomorrow
[06:45] <twb> Where are the libdvdcss and w32codecs packages that mplayer recommends?  packages.ubuntu.com thinks they never existed in Ubuntu.
[06:45] <twb> More specifically, I want (via gecko-mediaplayer) users to be able to watch stuff on e.g. apple.com/trailers
[06:46] <twb> gnome-mplayer complains about not having the appropriate codecs.
[06:49] <Nergar> hello
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> twb, they never existed in ubuntu
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> however, they are in medibuntu
[06:49] <Nergar> where can i check current bugs targeted for final release?
[06:49] <bazhang> www.medibuntu.org twb
[06:49] <twb> Grr.
[06:50] <nemo> Daisuke_Ido: aren't those  packages added if you try to play a proprietary codec in totem?
[06:51] <nemo> Daisuke_Ido: outside of the totem plugin I mean - totem plugin just whines about codecs but doesn't offer medibuntu option
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> w32codecs and libdvdcss are only in medibuntu
[06:51] <twb> So Ubuntu can't, on its own, play non-Free codecs or encrypted DVDs?
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: Correct.
[06:52] <bazhang> twb read the link I gave you
[06:52] <twb> Huh.  I must remember wrong.
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: Well, not entirely.  You can play almost all media types with just gstreamer plugins found in Ubuntu.
[06:52] <twb> bazhang: I'm not too keen to add random probably-broken third-party repos to my sources.list
[06:52] <RAOF> twb: You can't play encrypted DVDs because that's illegal almost everywhere.
[06:52] <RAOF> :(
[06:53] <bazhang> twb no need to add repos; if you *actually* read the link you would know that
[06:53] <twb> Oh, medibuntu isn't a medical imaging subproject
[06:53] <twb> It's just debian-multimedia for ubuntu
[06:53] <twb> That makes more sense
[06:54] <cwillu> twb, have you looked at ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[06:54] <bazhang> you're welcome twb
[06:54] <cwillu> I don't think medibuntu is needed more much anymore
[06:54] <twb> cwillu: mmm, that's what I was trying to think of
[06:54] <twb> cwillu: trying it now
[06:55] <cwillu> that should cover most of the codecs
[06:55] <RAOF> cwillu: Yeah.  Only libdvdcss is really needed from there.
[06:55] <cwillu> and the libdvdread3 (installed by u-r-e) has a shell script to enable decss
[06:56] <RAOF> cwillu: Yeah, but you might as well just get the prebuilt (and more recent) package.
[06:56] <twb> cwillu: what package magically makes embedded videos work in firefox, via gstreamer (since that's what the plugins seem to be for)?
[06:56] <cwillu> totem should work
[06:56] <twb> *embedded*
[06:57] <cwillu> totem has an embedded player :p
[06:57] <twb> As part of the main package?
[06:57]  * RAOF would suggest totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin :)
[06:57] <twb> Thanks.
[06:58] <twb> RAOF: seems to be called totem-mozilla now
[06:59] <twb> Zounds, that wants to pull in 130MB
[06:59] <twb> Time to make a new scratch
[07:00] <twb> 70MB for openjdk-6-jre-headless
[07:00] <cwillu> RAOF, re playing dvd's, in most countries, it's the distribution of the tools, not their use, which implies the intent and is therefore illegal
[07:02] <twb> Is icedtea-gcjwebplugin an "adequate" replacement for sun-java6-plugin?  I mean, if I install it, will my users come and whine to me because their favourite applet doesn't work?
[07:03] <cwillu> people have favourite applets?
[07:03] <cwillu> I thought that was only flash
[07:03] <bazhang> haha
[07:03] <twb> I don't know.  I'm going through layers and layers of management
[07:03] <twb> "Firefox MUST support java applets" is what I was told
[07:03] <cwillu> the vm probably works flawlessly
[07:03] <cwillu> but that's not where the problems ever where
[07:03] <cwillu> I don't know whether the classpath is anygood
[07:04] <twb> Eh, I'll use openjdk until they complain, since it's easier.
[07:04] <cwillu> ibm's implementation + libs was good enough to run eclipse years ago (unsurprising, I guess)
[07:06] <simion314> Hi, my gnome panles are invisible,  what can i do?
[07:06] <simion314> i restarted X but is the same
[07:07] <twb> simion314: is gnome-panel running?
[07:07] <kahrytan> Firefox 2 doesnt work with Preferred Applications
[07:07] <simion314> twb: hoc can i see that? with ps or do you know the command to start gnome system monitor from terminal?
[07:08] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:08] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does lspci say about that card
[07:08] <twb> simion314: pgrep gnome-panel?
[07:08] <ecubuntu> let me see
[07:09] <ecubuntu> itel mobile 945gm
[07:09] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:09] <bazhang> ecubuntu: that is the video card
[07:10] <simion314> twb:  pgrep gnome-panel command  output nothing
[07:10] <twb> simion314: try running gnome-panel by hand
[07:10] <ecubuntu> oh oh
[07:11] <kahrytan> They need to add firefox-2 to preferred applications
[07:11] <bazhang> ecubuntu: should be either 3945 or 4965
[07:11] <kahrytan> list
[07:11] <ecubuntu> bazhang, inte corporation pro/wireless 3945ABG
[07:11] <ecubuntu> sorry about that
[07:11] <simion314> twb: it sais that is not installed(gnome-panel) and i do not remember uninstall it
[07:11] <RAOF> cwillu: Sadly, where I live (.au) it's both the distribution and use of the tools.
[07:11] <simion314> i uninstall evolution components
[07:12] <kahrytan> Where would file a bugfor Preferred Applications and lack of support for firefox 2?
[07:12] <DanaG> Argh, WINE IS SO BROKEN -- you hit shift once and it gets stuck in caps.
[07:12] <DanaG> like the following:
[07:12] <twb> RAOF: and/or lookin' at the MPAA in a funny way
[07:12] <DanaG> hello, I"M STUCK IN SHIFT MODE
[07:13] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does ifconfig show; three entries or two
[07:13] <kahrytan> Anyone?
[07:14] <ecubuntu> bazhang, eth0 - lo - wlan0 - wmaster0
[07:14] <simion314> twb: Thx for your help
[07:14] <bazhang> ecubuntu: you have a open wifi spot to test this on?
[07:15] <ecubuntu> yeao bazhang
[07:15] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does sudo dhclient wlan0 return
[07:15] <kahrytan> i guess that little bug will go unfixed in hardy
[07:15] <Lynoure> DanaG: seems you can get out of it, too...
[07:15] <bazhang> dhcp lease or no dhcpoffers
[07:16] <DanaG> Actually, I was demonstrating it... I'm not wine'ing my IRC client.
[07:16] <DanaG> I keep having to click out of the wine'd app, and then click back into it.
[07:16] <DanaG> It's essentially unusable.  Period.
[07:16] <ecubuntu> no bazhang
[07:17] <bazhang> ecubuntu: are there restricted drivers for that card; and was this upgrade or fresh install
[07:17] <Lynoure> DanaG: report a bug.
[07:17] <ecubuntu> wait wait bazhang
[07:17] <ecubuntu> i forgot sudo
[07:17] <kahrytan> DanaG->  WINE works for utorrent
[07:18] <DanaG> And my mouse and keyboard keep getting permagrabbed by VirtualBox.
[07:18] <DanaG> The only way to break loose: shut down the guest.
[07:18] <DanaG> Either that, or enable a hotkey to break grabs in X, but that's a big security hole.
[07:18] <ecubuntu> DHCPDISCOVER on waln0 255.255.255.255
[07:18] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:18] <ecubuntu> no dhcpoffers reciver bazhang
[07:18] <bazhang> ecubuntu: that is fine but you want a dhcp lease
[07:19] <bazhang> ecubuntu: this was fresh install or upgrade from gutsy--any restricted drivers for that card
[07:20] <ecubuntu> fresh install bazhang
[07:20] <RAOF> twb: Hey, MPAA is USA.  We have worse laws, in some respects.
[07:20] <ecubuntu> no restricted drivers for any card bazhang
[07:21] <bazhang> ecubuntu: could you pastebin your sources list
[07:21] <ecubuntu> sure
[07:21] <ecubuntu> where?
[07:21] <bazhang> ecubuntu install pastebinit then cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[07:22] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user?
[07:23] <ecubuntu> bazhang, http://pastebin.com/f59b39987
[07:24] <bazhang> ecubuntu what kernel do you have? did you install the restricted modules
[07:24] <ecubuntu> no bazhang
[07:25] <bazhang> ecubuntu: no to what kernel?
[07:25] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user?
[07:25] <ecubuntu> how bazhang
[07:26] <bazhang> uname -r ecubuntu
[07:26] <ecubuntu> 2.6.24-16-generic bazhang
[07:26] <kahrytan> No one knows how to empty trash?
[07:28] <ecubuntu> right click an empty trash kahrytan
[07:28] <Iced_Eagle> kahrytan: I just do right-click empty
[07:28] <bazhang> ecubuntu: this is odd; I have the same exact card, also running hardy, and it works flawlessly--trying to remember what I did to get it working--does lsmod show the iwl or the ipw for that and can you iwlist scan with that wlan0
[07:28] <kahrytan>  But it wont empty.
[07:28] <kahrytan> I need it to be forced to delete filesi n it... ie root kill items
[07:28] <Iced_Eagle> that was something wierd i had in the beta, a restart seemed to fix the icon
[07:28] <kahrytan> What is the user trash folder kept?
[07:29] <Iced_Eagle> try this command actually
[07:29] <Iced_Eagle> rm -rf ~/.Trash/*
[07:29] <kahrytan> Iced_Eagle->  doesnt exist
[07:30] <kahrytan> I looked for that folder .. oh wait. i got an idea.
[07:30] <ecubuntu> yes bazhang
[07:30] <ecubuntu> iwl
[07:30] <Iced_Eagle> can you cd to ~/.Trash ?
[07:30] <bazhang> ecubuntu: and the second question?
[07:30] <Iced_Eagle> also try the rm command with sudo and see if that makes a difference
[07:31] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[07:31] <kahrytan> How do forcible empty trash for a user? Right click-> Empty Trash doesnt work
[07:31] <ecubuntu> bazhang, wlan0     No scan results
[07:33] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what does the nm-applet show (the gui)?
[07:33] <ecubuntu> i can see my home network but i can not conecte bazhang
[07:33] <kahrytan> Anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[07:34] <wastrel> kahrytan: delete /home/username/.Trash
[07:34] <kahrytan> wastrel->  doesnt work
[07:34] <wastrel> and -- fun fun  /home/username/.local/share/Trash/
[07:34] <kahrytan> Folder doesnt exist
[07:34] <wastrel> whee!
[07:34] <wastrel> kahrytan: there's 2!
[07:34] <wastrel> one hidden and buried
[07:34] <wastrel> it's a beautiful thing
[07:34] <ecubuntu> no baz
[07:35] <ecubuntu> bazhang,
[07:35] <topyli> kahrytan: you probably have roots's stuff there. need sudo in that case
[07:35] <wastrel> what's up with this  ~/.local/share/Trash/  anyway?
[07:35] <kahrytan> topyli->  considered that.
[07:35] <savvas> someone has a .torrent file handy? right click on it > properties - is the mime type application/x-bittorrent ?
[07:35] <ecubuntu> oh yes bazhang
[07:35] <bazhang> ecubuntu: have you configured that card to connect to that essid?
[07:36] <ecubuntu> no thath way bazhang
[07:36] <topyli> wastrel: no idea. they thought it would be smart to make gvfs look in another place than gnomevfs did
[07:36] <ecubuntu> i have config my router with mac address only bazhang
[07:36] <kahrytan> wastrel->  I got it .. as root.
[07:37] <topyli> wastrel: took me a while to realize i'm backing up my trash
[07:37] <kahrytan> wastrel, topyli-> Thank you
[07:37] <RAOF> wastrel: It's the XDG location for the Trash, which should allow KDE, GNOME, XFCE, etc to share the trash.  Also, the specification tells how to make it posible to _restore_ from trash, or handle multiple files with the same full path, etc.
[07:38] <bazhang> ecubuntu: what do you mean your router? to filter via mac address? what does that have to with this? you need to configure your wireless to connect to that essid--how good are you with cli (command line)
[07:38] <wastrel> better for gui, harder for cli
[07:38] <wastrel> ok
[07:38] <RAOF> wastrel: Not appreciably harder for CLI.  And the CLI doesn't interact with it, anyway :)
[07:38] <wastrel> users interact with it on the cli
[07:38] <topyli> yeah the standard puts everything in .local
[07:38] <wastrel> not appreciably harder no, as long as you can find it :]
[07:39] <ecubuntu> yes with filter via mac bazhang
[07:39] <ecubuntu> bazhang, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/2430729544_3ece5194a2_o.png
[07:39] <bazhang> ecubuntu: how about turning that off while we are doing this
[07:39] <RAOF> wastrel: Yes, but none of the cli programs to manipulate files move things to teh trash.
[07:40] <ecubuntu> y connect with cable bazhang
[07:40] <kahrytan> topyli->  do you like hardy?
[07:40] <bullgard4> kahrytan: You could try to call Nautilus with sudo privileges and Location > trah: And remove all files there visible. Or you can remove all files in the ~/.Trash directory using the sudo rm -r ~/.Trash command.
[07:40] <zero__> hey, if i installed 8.04 beta would i be able to easily upgrade to the stable when its released?
[07:40] <bullgard4> trash
[07:40] <topyli> kahrytan: sure, hardy is nice
[07:40] <bullgard4> zero__: yes.
[07:40] <bazhang> ecubuntu: but your wireless has a different mac address then the one you assigned?
[07:40] <topyli> zero__: yes, you won't even notice it
[07:41] <zero__> topyli, rock on thanks
[07:41] <kahrytan> bullgard4->  Actually, Root has it's own trash.
[07:41] <Sonja> type  update-manager -d to upgrade to 8.04?
[07:41] <ecubuntu> no because is the same card bazhang
[07:41] <kahrytan> bullgard4->  I had to delete the user trash folders in sudo
[07:41] <bullgard4> kahrytan: Well, that may be. But I was referring to something else.
[07:41] <bazhang> Sonja: aye
[07:42] <Sonja> does 8.04 support ati hd video card?
[07:42] <JohnRobert> xmms (ver 1) not in hardy?
[07:42] <bullgard4> JohnRobert: No onger by default.
[07:42] <bazhang> !info xmms
[07:42] <ubotu> Package xmms does not exist in hardy
[07:42] <JohnRobert> :/
[07:42] <bullgard4> longer
[07:42] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  you are second person to ask that and no. XMMS isnt in Debian Sid so not in Hardy
[07:42] <bazhang> !info xmms2
[07:42] <ubotu> xmms2 (source: xmms2): Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[07:43] <RAOF> Sonja: Yes.
[07:43] <JohnRobert> :/
[07:43] <ecubuntu> bazhang, soo when i install hardy i get new mac or what?
[07:43] <JohnRobert> one thing I liked about xmms was it's simplicity...that's now gone then :(
[07:44] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  Why would you want new mac>
[07:44] <bazhang> ecubuntu: no that is hardwired into the nic
[07:44] <DanaG> !gksudo
[07:44] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[07:44] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  Say hello to your new best friend .. Audacious
[07:44] <topyli> JohnRobert: if you liked xmms, use audacious. it's pretty much the same
[07:44] <kahrytan> topyli->  beat ya
[07:44] <topyli> JohnRobert: except it's actually maintained and works well
[07:45]  * kahrytan uses Audacious allot for single mp3 plays
[07:45] <ecubuntu> but my mac is on wireless mac filter bazhang
[07:45] <Sonja> me too, audacious
[07:45] <ecubuntu> i just asking kahrytan
[07:45] <Sonja> it's like winamp :)
[07:45] <JohnRobert> looks good, ta
[07:45] <kahrytan> Audacious uses XMMS Plugins and Skins and old Winamp skins'
[07:45] <JohnRobert> (ta = thx in england btw)
[07:45] <topyli> JohnRobert: xmms2 on the other hand has absolutely nothing in common with xmms
[07:45] <ecubuntu> i know you can not get different mac address just for install new os kahrytan
[07:45] <JohnRobert> no, xmms2 seems like a headache
[07:46] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  I hate macs.
[07:46] <JohnRobert> I like emacs
[07:46] <JohnRobert> :p
[07:46] <ecubuntu> why kahrytan
[07:46] <bazhang> ecubuntu: how good are you using the command line?
[07:46] <kahrytan> i really hate emacs
[07:46] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  you meant MAC address?
[07:46] <ecubuntu> no soo good but i can try bazhang
[07:47] <topyli> he did say mac address kahrytan :)
[07:47] <ecubuntu> yes kahrytan
[07:47] <kahrytan> lol MAC address is hard wired.
[07:47] <JohnRobert> yeah, I'm liking this audacious
[07:47] <JohnRobert> :)
[07:47] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  Welcome to your new best friend...
[07:47] <ecubuntu> is better WPA kahrytan
[07:48] <bazhang> ecubuntu: let me get you a link howto cli wireless and let you take a look; if you have any questions I will be around for a bit longer
[07:48] <kahrytan> use MAC addres to tie to the router. It prevents other cards from using it.
[07:48] <ecubuntu> ok bazhang
[07:48] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 ecubuntu
[07:49] <kahrytan> ecubuntu->  use WPA/WPA2 to connect wirelessy and set router to only accept your MAC address
[07:50] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  gnome-look.org .. xmms themes work in audacious
[07:50] <JohnRobert> this is really good
[07:50] <JohnRobert> does what it says on the tin
[07:50] <JohnRobert> doesn't not work
[07:51] <DanaG> MAC address filtering isn't really any security at all.
[07:51] <DanaG> Nor is hidden ssid.
[07:51] <DanaG> Hidden ssid gives two options:
[07:51] <NotSure> Hi, Trying to find " ghamachi - or - hamachi" in Synaptics but can't find it - also searched undder "remote desktop, etc." - Anyone know what name I would use to find this in Synaptics?
[07:51] <DanaG> Router shouts SSID to the world around it, or computer shouts SSID to the world around it.
[07:51] <bazhang> wpa2 is more than enough; mac address can be spoofed
[07:51] <DanaG> Which covers more area?  The latter.
[07:52] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  you like your double negatives dont you?
[07:53] <kahrytan> DanaG->  and now you know why I dont use wireless
[07:53] <kahrytan> DanaG->  I simply dont trust other people with my info
[07:54] <DanaG> Just don't use HomePNA -- it's worse.
[07:54] <kahrytan> DanaG->  I do have SSID but I wrote it like a password.
[07:54] <NotSure> Can't find Hamachi in synaptics - someone know what to search using?
[07:54] <JohnRobert> I don't not like them kahrytan
[07:54] <DanaG> It's like a hub.
[07:54] <kahrytan> DanaG->  especially in a condo building
[07:54] <DanaG> My SSID is simple, but my passphrase is *************************
[07:54] <DanaG> with mixed case, and punctuation.
[07:54] <bazhang> !info hamachi
[07:54] <ubotu> Package hamachi does not exist in hardy
[07:54] <DanaG> No package; have to find hamachi online.
[07:54] <JohnRobert> how can I turn off the gross red glow of everything in compiz (or whatever it is)
[07:55] <JohnRobert> ?
[07:55] <kahrytan> DanaG->  i use Alphanumeric and Specical Chars
[07:55] <DanaG> Then remember to upx -d /usr/bin/hamachi
[07:55] <NotSure> bazhang: Will give it a try - thx
[07:55] <DanaG> Red glow?
[07:55] <JohnRobert> yeah, all my windows have a strange red fuzz around them
[07:55] <kahrytan> DanaG->  So it could be like D_an^23G^78
[07:55] <JohnRobert> or purple
[07:55] <DanaG> Only _, !, and .
[07:56] <DanaG> underscore, exclamation, and period.
[07:56] <DanaG> But it's still obscure enough that nobody can guess it.
[07:56] <kahrytan> DanaG-> If SSID was truely hidden.. that would make for one hard guess
[07:56] <NotSure> !info hamachi - was a no go - no return - any idea's - I came across it the other day and was not ready to install it yet.
[07:56] <ubotu> Package hamachi does not exist in hardy
[07:57] <kahrytan> DanaG-> I want WPA2
[07:57] <kahrytan> WPA2 at least has AES encryption
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> and i want a beer.  trade?
[07:57] <NotSure> ummmm bot say's no hamachi - so it used to be in an earlier version of ubuntu didn't it?
[07:57] <DanaG> I'm going to bed.,
[07:57] <DanaG> Hint: get a dd-wrt-able router.
[07:57] <kahrytan> Daisuke_Ido->  I dont have beer, nor like it.
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> WRT-54gs is a good bet
[07:58] <kahrytan> DanaG->  those are hard to find
[07:58] <hads> GL
[07:58] <kahrytan> arent made anymore
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> the GL is still made
[07:58] <hads> WRT54GL is
[07:58] <kahrytan> WGR-614 here
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought the GS was still using the old hardware specs as well, or did they switch
[07:58] <hads> And OpenWRT has less worrying licensing that DDWRT
[07:59] <hads> Daisuke_Ido: The GS switched.
[08:00] <kahrytan> i dont need wifi anyways
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> kahrytan, then what in the eff were you demanding WPA2 for?
[08:01] <kahrytan> When I do need it
[08:01] <bazhang> ecubuntu: try installing linux-ubuntu-modules and see if that helps
[08:01] <Daisuke_Ido> either you need it or you do not
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i would say that if you use it, even occasionally, you would need it
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> in that case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a good option
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> that philosophy is great...  and is also the reason my closet has a spare parts bin
[08:03] <bazhang> better to have it period
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> "just in case"
[08:08] <bazhang> ecubuntu: also try unhiding the essid in the router
[08:09] <kahrytan> My Hardy Screenshot _>http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png
[08:13] <kahrytan> Who likes my screenshot?
[08:14] <kahrytan> No one>?
[08:17] <kahrytan> oh the silence .. its killing me
[08:19] <Iced_Eagle> kahrytan: IT looks good :)
[08:24] <m0u5e> for some reason, hardy seems to be a little slower on my computer than gutsy
[08:25] <m0u5e> i wonder if it is because i upgraded, rather than clean installed
[08:25] <savvas> i hate red :p
[08:25] <m0u5e> and does anyone else have the issue with plugins no longer working in firefox2?
[08:26] <savvas> m0u5e: that's normal, about the plugins
[08:27] <savvas> expect a lot of them not to be working :)
[08:27] <m0u5e> no i don't mean the 2.0 plugins don't work in 3.0
[08:27] <m0u5e> i know that
[08:27] <m0u5e> i mean, the 2.0 plugins don't work in FF2.0 either
[08:27] <savvas> their developers should make them compatible to 3.0
[08:27] <savvas> oh
[08:27] <m0u5e> i currently have both installed
[08:27] <m0u5e> since, hardy installed FF3b5
[08:27] <savvas> ah you mean..
[08:27] <m0u5e> yeah
[08:27] <savvas> ok
[08:27] <savvas> i noticed that problem
[08:28] <savvas> try enable them in ff2
[08:28] <m0u5e> i did.. they don't work -__-;
[08:28] <savvas> file a bug :)
[08:28] <savvas> and i'll back you up and confirm
[08:29] <savvas> just check if there's one reported already
[08:29] <m0u5e> whoa bizarre, now whenever i load firefox2
[08:29] <m0u5e> it just loads ff3b5
[08:29] <m0u5e> ... it didn't do that before -__-;
[08:30] <m0u5e> does anyone else have the "cannot type" weird bug too?
[08:30] <m0u5e> for some reason, sometimes randomly, my keyboard just "stops" working
[08:30] <m0u5e> and when i reclick the window, or play around with it, it suddenly starts working again
[08:30] <liketoknow> Are there other repositories I need to add in Synaptics?
[08:31] <liketoknow> Fresh install with updates of Hardy Heron.
[08:31] <m0u5e> no
[08:31] <liketoknow> thanks
[08:31] <m0u5e> liketoknow: just press alt+f2
[08:31] <m0u5e> liketoknow: then type update-manager -d
[08:33] <m0u5e> can anyone else confirm the weird no-typing bug? :D
[08:34] <liketoknow> Say's everything is updated. - When I first installed had 532 updates - Will there be less updates to install if I used a an install cd of the final release CD?
[08:35] <liketoknow> Is final release on 4/24?
[08:36] <m0u5e> liketoknow: if you upgrade from a cd?, no there will be an equal amount of updates
[08:36] <m0u5e> liketoknow: thats the schedule i believe
[08:36] <kahrytan> Iced_Eagle->  hey?
[08:37] <kahrytan> Anyone else like http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png ?
[08:37] <m0u5e> savvas: how do i publish a bug... xD is it on launchpad?
[08:37] <liketoknow> Thanks - So new Final release - will be mute point on install - ok
[08:37] <m0u5e> liketoknow: i usually like to do a clean install
[08:37] <m0u5e> liketoknow: hardy kinda breaks some packages :/
[08:38] <kahrytan> m0u5e-> I did clean install too
[08:38] <m0u5e> okay i figured out the stupid keyboard problem... it has something to do with compiz-fusion
[08:38] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i haven't clean installed yet... i'm waiting for hardy gold to come out xD
[08:39] <kahrytan> isnt RC gold?
[08:39] <m0u5e> kahrytan: no its still RC, it'll be officially released on the 24th
[08:39] <liketoknow> m0u5e: What do mean "Clean install" - This is a dual boot with windows - Hardy is new install from CD on second partition?
[08:40] <savvas> m0u5e: yep http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu :) click report a bug
[08:40] <kahrytan> m0u5e->  you mean, you wont install till release?
[08:40] <m0u5e> savvas: awesome thx :)
[08:40] <m0u5e> kahrytan: no, i'll just reformat my hardy parition with the cd :D
[08:40] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i'm running hardy now, but its kinda messy since i upgraded
[08:40] <liketoknow> m0u5e: It is the Hardy Heron Beta 8.04 - but that's ok right?
[08:40] <savvas> m0u5e: be sure to include info such as version of the packages you are currently using: apt-cache policy firefox-2 firefox-3.0
[08:41] <m0u5e> liketoknow: no, on the 24th the official release will be out, currently you're using hardy RC
[08:41] <liketoknow> m0u5e: So will there be that much difference?
[08:41] <m0u5e> savvas: i can't even get firefox-2 to run though... i just did an aptitude reinstall
[08:42] <m0u5e> liketoknow: thats a good question, i dunno :D i'll find out on the 24th lol
[08:42] <kahrytan> Mark uses Hardy on his production laptops
[08:42] <liketoknow> m0u5e: yep - guess so .....
[08:42] <kahrytan> thats why I decided to upgrade before release
[08:42] <m0u5e> savvas: huh... weird, i can't get firefox 2 to run
[08:42] <m0u5e> savvas: are you still able to run firefox 2? is it just that the plugins don't work
[08:44] <savvas> let me install it again
[08:44] <DistroJockey> m0u5e: make sure you don't have FF3 running (trying to run FF2 while FF3 is running will result in another FF3 windows)
[08:44] <liketoknow> m0u5e: I plan on doing another new install with final as well. Will have a FAT32 partition of about 10gb's or so to transfer files between windows and Hardy.
[08:44] <m0u5e> DistroJockey: ugh, duh xD i had it running in another workspace
[08:45] <DistroJockey> :)
[08:45] <liketoknow> Should be safer way of file transfer correct?
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: ubuntu's been able to read ntfs for a while... :D
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: oh you mean your /home?
[08:45] <liketoknow> yes
[08:45]  * kahrytan doesnt use Firefox 3 and removed it.
[08:45] <m0u5e> liketoknow: no, i usually just leave my /home there... my config files migrate over usually without too much trouble
[08:45] <liketoknow> oh ok
[08:45] <m0u5e> kahrytan: i rather like ff3, i've definitely noticed a performance difference
[08:46] <savvas> m0u5e: hm.. you're right, plugins don't work
[08:46] <m0u5e> liketoknow: up to you though
[08:46] <kahrytan> m0u5e->  It's nicer but Google Sync/Toolbar  is no go for me
[08:46] <liketoknow> yea i might try that this time - save allot of extra work
[08:46] <kling0n> does anyone have a suggestion for figuring out what is making my gnome panels inactive for 1-2 minutes after login ?
[08:47] <kahrytan> I need Google to catch up to FF3 before I use it
[08:47] <savvas> wow, this could really mess it up for users that want to use firefox-2 :P
[08:47] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah -_-;
[08:47] <m0u5e> savvas: all but like 1 plugin works in ff3 currently
[08:47] <m0u5e> at least for me
[08:48] <m0u5e> kling0n: inactive?
[08:48] <kling0n> m0u5e:well ... unresponsive is more like it
[08:48] <savvas> m0u5e: don't expect too much though, they'll probably tell you to install firefox manually in a separate directory heh
[08:48] <kling0n> can't click on menus or shortcuts
[08:48] <kling0n> and no highlight on mouse over
[08:48] <kling0n> but i think it's probably specific for my profile :)
[08:49] <liketoknow> kahrytan: have you tried running Opera?
[08:49] <kling0n> probably some sort of garbage in my session startip
[08:49] <m0u5e> savvas: mm how would one do that? is there a way to specific directories with aptitude / apt-get?
[08:49] <kling0n> startup
[08:49] <kahrytan> liketoknow->  I use that too but Firefox is better for browsing.
[08:50] <m0u5e> kling0n: try opening up a terminal and type "killall nautilus"
[08:50] <kling0n> m0u5e: it's working now... it just takes a minute or two
[08:50] <kling0n> which is the strange part
[08:50] <mrtimdog> ﻿﻿kling0n: deskbar applet sometimes causes a delay on my panels at startup.
[08:50] <savvas> m0u5e: actually, you could try it: download firefox from www.firefox.com and extract the tar.gz to your desktop and run firefox from there
[08:50] <m0u5e> kling0n: maybe you have a process that's sucking up your CPU?
[08:50] <liketoknow> kahrytan: So you uninstalled ff3 and installed ff2 and using that instead huh? does flash work well in that version? (ff2?)
[08:51] <kling0n> on a core 2 duo with 2 gig ram
[08:51] <kahrytan> liketoknow->  It always did work well.
[08:51] <m0u5e> savvas: wouldn't that work though...? since i'd be running FF from that directory? it wouldn't have all my plugins (i'd have to reinstall them)
[08:52] <liketoknow> kahrytan: Opera is ok - but kinda clunky to get around in sometimes.
[08:52] <savvas> m0u5e: exactly, but they are probably trying to "push" firefox-3.0 instead of -2 :)
[08:52] <kling0n> where are gnome's panel shortcuts stored? in the gconf dir in /home/username ?
[08:52] <savvas> m0u5e: nevertheless, file that bug, i think it will receive adequate response
[08:52] <m0u5e> savvas: that's fine, but when usability is comprimised....
[08:53] <savvas> m0u5e: give me the link to it when you're done
[08:54] <m0u5e> kling0n: i think they're stored under /home/user/.config
[08:54] <Sonjaaa> jdpre g ialqk ;dd kjd mdlf Z(
[08:54] <m0u5e> savvas: okay
[08:54] <m0u5e> savvas: still playing around with firefox-2 xD
[08:55] <m0u5e> savvas: when you try to click "enable plugin" does it just not click?
[08:55] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?  (There is no modules.conf and no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.)
[08:56] <m0u5e> bullgard4: you mean after return from standby? or once in a while 3139 isn't loaded properly?
[08:57] <kahrytan> It's sad that Hardy doesnt include cx18 driver for HVR-1600 cards
[08:57] <savvas> m0u5e: mine seem enabled, just not compatible :P
[08:57] <Fritzel> does anyone know if its possible to sync ipod touch contacts with anything installable on Ubuntu?
[08:57] <Sonjaaa> i cant see te ubuntu menu bar!!
[08:57] <bullgard4> m0u5e: I mean after a reboot. But the situation is the same after hibernation.
[08:58] <m0u5e> savvas: for mine, some can be re-enabled, for others i try to click the button, but it doesn't do anything
[08:58] <savvas> Sonjaaa: press  Alt-F2 and run this: gnome-panel
[08:58] <topyli> Sonjaaa: si the whole panel missing or just the menu?
[08:58] <topyli> s/si/is/
[08:58] <m0u5e> bullgard4: is it random? does it sometimes work, sometimes doesnt? ... does it not work even when the module is loaded, etc?
[08:59] <savvas> m0u5e: hm.. i click "enable" and it doesn't do anything
[08:59] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah, thats the same for me
[08:59] <m0u5e> savvas: except for this one plugin "user Agent Switcher" ... i cliked enable and it actually worked!
[08:59] <hyperair> hi
[08:59] <m0u5e> lol
[08:59] <hyperair> does anyone know why "recommended" packages aren't installed by default?
[09:00] <topyli> hyperair: because they're recommended, not required
[09:00] <hyperair> as of now, since recommended isn't installed by default, there is no difference between recommended and suggests
[09:00] <m0u5e> hyperair: probably just to make update process easier and more sane on the developers...
[09:00] <topyli> hyperair: there is a difference between a recommendation and a suggestion :)
[09:00] <hyperair> what's the difference?
[09:01] <hyperair> if both aren't installed by default then there is essentially no difference
[09:01] <bazhang> one starts with 'r'
[09:01]  * hyperair headdesks
[09:01] <m0u5e> savvas: hey speaking of bugs, have you tried the new resolution / multiple screen setup?
[09:01] <m0u5e> savvas: they consolidated the two different utils into one, but it still doesn't work proplerly (at least for me)
[09:02] <bullgard4> m0u5e: The LAN connection works always for a certain period of time after a reboot or hibernation. Both modules are loaded. "etc." is no exact description.
[09:02] <topyli> hyperair: a recommendation means "many people find this useful, you might want it" and a suggestion means "this package is related and can be used with the software you're installing"
[09:02] <savvas> m0u5e: "screens and graphics" ? it broke my login screen :)
[09:02] <hyperair> aaah
[09:02] <topyli> hyperair: if you don't like the labels, file a bug :)
[09:02] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah it does that for me too
[09:02] <bazhang> haha
[09:02] <savvas> m0u5e: if you have nvidia, better you gksu nvidia-settings
[09:02] <m0u5e> savvas: it tries to default to the largest monitor, but it fails at doing so
[09:02] <savvas> better *use
[09:03] <rohan> i read this news item -- http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop , but ubuntu release is still 3 days away, right?
[09:03] <m0u5e> savvas: no the funny thing is i'm on an i845
[09:03] <hyperair> topyli:  what package would i file it on?
[09:03] <m0u5e> savvas: considering intel releases its video drivers, theres no excuse for it not to work :/
[09:03] <rohan> oh, my bad.. that article does mention that it'll be released on thursday
[09:03] <Sonjaaa> brb
[09:03] <savvas> m0u5e: no idea then :)
[09:03] <rohan> could anyone confirm that this time too, the RC iso was re-released as final? like they did last time for gutsy
[09:04] <topyli> hyperair: probably the distro as a whole, or dpkg. i don't know. furthermore, it would likely be a debian bug as well
[09:04] <Smegzor> I compiled kernel 2.6.25 but had a few issues.  Went back to 2.6.24 and now I can't get the proprietory NVidia drivers working properly.  What is the cleanest way to fix my graphics issues?
[09:04] <hyperair> debian installs recommends by default
[09:04] <hyperair> but not ubuntu
[09:04] <hyperair> =\
[09:04] <hyperair> so i've been told
[09:04] <topyli> hyperair: it's a setting in your apt preferences
[09:04] <hyperair> i see
[09:04] <rohan> hyperair: that's because debian has the new apt, which does it by defaul
[09:04] <rohan> t
[09:04] <hyperair> ohh
[09:04] <hyperair> that makes sense
[09:05] <hyperair> so intrepid will do it by default then?
[09:05] <topyli> huh? apt does what it's told
[09:05] <hyperair> what?
[09:05] <kling0n> Smegzor: install module assistant and then "sudo m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-new"
[09:06] <Sonjaaa> thanks it worked
[09:06] <topyli> if debian's apt is set to install recommends by default and ubuntu's is not, that's a distribution default. it's hardly hard-wired into apt
[09:06] <savvas> rohan: what do you mean that they released it as a final?
[09:07] <hyperair> topyli: exactly where are the settings?
[09:07] <Sonja> thanks guys, i can see the gnome panel menu thingy now
[09:07] <Sonja> i had to type that
[09:08] <savvas> n/p Sonja
[09:08] <topyli> hyperair: oh i don't know. one would assume apt.conf or something like can be found in /etc
[09:08] <Sonja> is that a known bug for some upgraders?
[09:08] <hyperair> topyli: nevermind i found it.. /etc/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[09:08] <Smegzor> kling0n: it said this..  "nvidia-kernel-new, what is nvidia-kernel-new?"
[09:08] <savvas> Sonja: you could file it, but i think that if you logged out and logged in again, it should show it
[09:09] <kling0n> Smegzor: sorry it's: nvidia-new-kernel :)
[09:09] <rohan> savvas: i mean that the rc iso was renamed to the final one, and released
[09:09] <Smegzor> heh
[09:09] <Smegzor> i thought the message was funny :)
[09:09] <savvas> rohan: where?
[09:09] <rohan> savvas: last time, during gutsy release
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: you mean that they used the release candidate?
[09:10] <rohan> savvas: yes
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: well.. no one can confirm that :)
[09:10] <hyperair> well if the RC is determined to be bug-free enough then they just use the RC i suppose?
[09:10] <Sonja> savvas it's confusing to a n00b. it should reload the gnome thingy automatically. a n00b wouldn't know how to type it to make it appear.
[09:10] <savvas> rohan: hyperair answered :)
[09:11] <m0u5e> Sonja: gnome is usally pretty good at reloading itself...
[09:11] <Sonja> oki
[09:11] <Sonja> thanks everyone!
[09:11] <Sonja> <3
[09:11] <savvas> Sonja: great, file the bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu report a bug
[09:11] <savvas> heh
[09:12] <savvas> i bet 50 euro that she's not going to file a bug :P
[09:12] <m0u5e> savvas: well i'd love to file more bugs
[09:12] <m0u5e> but i feel stupid when i do
[09:12] <rohan> savvas: yes, that's what i wanted to know, whether they're going to do the same for hardy this time :)
[09:13] <m0u5e> i'm not a comp sci major or computer programmer... and i'm not even sure what i'm doing half the time, so i feel a little hesitant at filing bugs
[09:13] <savvas> m0u5e: filing bugs is as simple as providing a "how to" guide
[09:14] <m0u5e> savvas: the part that scares me is the debug information xD
[09:14] <m0u5e> savvas: okay, so do i just paste my apt-cache policy information into "Description" or do i need a copy paste bin
[09:14] <savvas> m0u5e: 1. install firefox-2 package 2. close any instances of firefox 3. run firefox-2 as a command 4. notice that the plugins aren't working :)
[09:15] <m0u5e> savvas: firefox-2 is installed by default after an upgrade though
[09:15] <m0u5e> savvas: i haven't tried that... i've tried reinstalling the package
[09:15] <savvas> really?
[09:15] <savvas> wait
[09:16] <savvas> ah an upgrade
[09:16] <savvas> well.. file the bug i think they'll consider removing it by default :)
[09:16] <Sonja> i get no sound in youtube
[09:16] <Sonja> but video is fine
[09:17] <Sonja> i have to upgrade flash or something?
[09:18] <savvas> Sonja: menu > applications > add/remove > search for this: ubuntu restricted extras
[09:18] <Sonja> oki
[09:18] <rohan> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop ---> shouldn't it say "Myth TV, the open source TVR," PVR instead of TVR?
[09:18] <savvas> Sonja: check the box beside it and install
[09:18] <m0u5e> mm anyone else unable to type in xchat whenever you unfocus and refocus the window (compiz-fusion) ?
[09:18] <Sonja> it was already checked
[09:19] <rohan> or DVR
[09:19] <savvas> Sonja: maybe there is no sound then?
[09:20] <Sonja> ubuntu played the feel-good drum jingle when turning on
[09:20] <savvas> Sonja: close and re-open firefox
[09:20] <Sonja> okay
[09:20] <m0u5e> savvas: so do i paste my stuff directly into "description" ?
[09:20] <savvas> m0u5e: the apt-cache policy i gave earlier? yeah
[09:21] <savvas> you also mention what distribution you're using
[09:21] <m0u5e> savvas: yeah i was just wondering if i need to use a pastebin, or if posting it directly into description is fine (sincei ts kinda long)
[09:23] <Sonja> audacious won't play either
[09:23] <Sonja> but when i go in system > sounds, i can test the system sounds no prob
[09:23] <zerny> hi
[09:23] <ecubuntu> bazhang, i try everything and nothing i just can't connect my wireless
[09:23] <zerny> I posted a prob on the #ubuntu. I will repost here
[09:24] <zerny> I have the new hardy (installed from beta and upgraded) but have found a few problems. The new gvfs will now mount any usb devices. I have tried with two flash drives and a sata->usb. using mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt works fine. Any body else experiencing this? I have not found any bug reports about it on launchpad
[09:24] <zerny> I am also experiencing some weird behaviour when transfering files over ftp with nautilus
[09:26] <KLessou> Hi sometimes Xorg Freeze on my macbook (with Hardy) I don't understand why. Where can I search ?
[09:28] <rohan> Ubuntu is the first distribution to include Open JDK from Sun as an option. ---> huh?! fedora 8 already had it!
[09:33] <zerny> No one else has problems mounting drives with nautilus?
[09:34] <kling0n> zerny: what is output from dmesg?
[09:35] <Fritzel> I'm looking here at the the searching options in tracker and I came across indexing options where two options are listed, Indexing and Watching, I'm curious what the difference is
[09:36] <bullgard4> adduser created a new user. Opening this account will show a brown background and a stylish heron on it. I did not yet add any files there. How many disk space does this account occupy?
[09:36] <m0u5e> has anyone tried the game batle for wesnoth yet? its really good :D
[09:36] <m0u5e> oh man... if only they made it mmo...... we'd have on our hands a flock of new linux users
[09:37] <zerny> kling0n: it loads the mass usb driver and then prints
[09:37] <zerny> UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[09:37] <zerny> ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[09:38] <zerny> kling0n: the output of parted is:
[09:38] <zerny> Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags
[09:38] <zerny>  1      16,4kB  16,1GB  16,1GB  primary  fat32        boot, lba
[09:38] <zerny> for the drive in question
[09:39] <zerny> the error dialog from nautilus is "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume XXX"
[09:40] <zerny> I can try repartitioning the drive, but it seems odd that it should cause an error, no?
[09:40] <zerny> should I file a report on it?
[09:40] <rohan> yes, zerny
[09:41] <zerny> what information would be essential to such a report?
[09:52] <kling0n> zerny: at the very least a dump of all related dmeg output
[09:52] <kling0n> zerny: lspci and lsusb output might be helpful two
[09:52] <kling0n> too
[09:53] <tinin> Hi, how do I know wich version of the tk library i'm using?
[09:53] <tinin> I'd like to use the latest one to get some features in amsn
[09:53] <zerny> kling0n: ok. should that just go in the report or should it be attached?
[09:54] <tinin> !amsn
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <DistroJockey> zerny: I usually see things like that attached
[09:54] <goodhabit> Hello. There is volume control from media keys on keyboard with popup volume bar. But it not affect same volume meter @ system tray. How to fix it?
[09:55] <Andy80> hi all
[09:55] <JohnRobert> does anyone else find that flash-nonfree locks up their sound card, or won't have sound if something else is using sound in hardy?
[09:56] <Andy80> I noticed a thing with the new Firefox 3 beta 5: in my gmail account, the "chat" feature is not available anymore! Even in the options.... while I can access it with Firefox2, why? Is this a known bug?
[09:56] <rohan> i'd say it's a firefox bug, not a ubuntu one
[09:56] <JohnRobert> Andy80: I noticed ffox3 has really heavy chaching, try clearing your cache, restarting the browser
[09:56] <JohnRobert> then see
[09:57] <Andy80> ok, I try now
[09:57] <goodhabit> Andy80, why you are not using jabber client? Pidgin is pre-installed one.
[09:57] <JohnRobert> ^ yeah, do that
[09:57] <JohnRobert> much, much nicer
[09:57] <JohnRobert> :p
[09:57] <goodhabit> JohnRobert, :o)
[09:59] <Andy80> JohnRobert: just cleared the cache and restarted Firefox3, chat is still not available :\
[09:59] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Gmail Chat in FF3 looks fine here
[09:59] <Andy80> goodhabit: I would like to understand why it doesn't work
[09:59] <Andy80> DistroJockey: are you using beta 4 or beta 5?
[09:59] <DistroJockey> Andy80: b5
[10:00] <zerny> hmmm. one can only attach a single file for a bug report. thats a bit irritating :/
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: just got bitten by the same sound issue
[10:00] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Hardy RC, clean install
[10:00] <JohnRobert> yeah, I did earlier today setting up php on apache
[10:00] <JohnRobert> it kept trying to give me the php page as a file
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: plus FF just crashed when I killed my music app, and reloaded the flash file
[10:00] <JohnRobert> oh
[10:00] <JohnRobert> yeah
[10:00] <JohnRobert> it's annoying, because it worked fine in gutsy
[10:00] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: restarting FF fixes it
[10:01] <JohnRobert> yeah, but that's not a solution
[10:01] <JohnRobert> :p
[10:01] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: I believe it was intentional to try and make flash more stable...
[10:01] <Andy80> DistroJockey: uhm... I've upgraded to Hardy RC, not using a clean install..
[10:01] <Jaymac> JohnRobert: and this is a side effect
[10:01] <JohnRobert> yeah, it sucks.
[10:01] <JohnRobert> any idea how I can make it unstable but working again?
[10:01] <JohnRobert> :p
[10:01] <DistroJockey> Andy80: add one more reason to why I don't upgrade :)
[10:02] <JohnRobert> I tried altering the firefoxrc file in /etc/firefox3.0/ etc.. so that it used esd/auto, but that didn't make any difference
[10:02] <Andy80> DistroJockey: eheh
[10:03] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." Ich möchte gern verhindern, daß eins der 2 Module geladen wird, weil nach einer Weile nach einem Neustart meines Computers er immer seine LAN (u. damit auch ADSL)-Verbindung verliert. Wie verhindert man, daß z. B. 8139cp zur Startzeit geladen wird?  (modules.conf existiert nicht und  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist auch nicht.)
[10:03] <goodhabit> Andy80, there is some standarts for browsers. That jabber interface is written on ajax with active components. You must understand - it is not bug totally, it is possible feauture.
[10:03] <DistroJockey> Andy80: It didn't drop into Older Version mode did it?
[10:04] <void^> bullgard4: you can create /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.
[10:04] <topyli> JohnRobert: well, three days ago flash still simply crashed firefox. i think this is better :)
[10:04] <bullgard4> void^: What is the preferred way to create /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[10:05] <void^> bullgard4: a text editor
[10:05] <Andy80> DistroJockey: I've the "Standard" version enabled...
[10:05] <DistroJockey> Andy80: I have a choice between Older Version and Newer Version
[10:06] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Older has no Chat, Newer does
[10:06] <Andy80> DistroJockey: where do you have this choice? in my case Gmail is in italian language...
[10:07] <DistroJockey> Andy80: Top left (next to my email address and the Settings link
[10:07] <DistroJockey> top right^
[10:07] <DistroJockey> sorry
[10:08] <kahrytan> Who likes the Human Icons?
[10:08] <Andy80> DistroJockey: uhmmm....... "English" version has the chat -.- but I can assure you italian version had chat till yesterday :P
[10:08] <goodhabit> What is default hardy style?
[10:08] <goodhabit> Human, human murrine?
[10:09] <DistroJockey> Andy80: no idea sorry
[10:09] <Andy80> ok, no problem ;)
[10:09] <kahrytan> goodhabit-> Human
[10:09] <topyli> goodhabit: human. human-murrine and human-crearlooks are there as options too
[10:10] <kahrytan> goodhabit-> but Human Clearlooks and Murrine are installed by default
[10:10] <kahrytan> topyli-> beat me
[10:10] <kahrytan> topyli-> I use Human Looks
[10:10]  * topyli looks human
[10:10] <kahrytan> Human looks isa GTK theme that allows for color change in title bar of Human
[10:11] <kahrytan> topyli-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png ?
[10:12] <kahrytan> Whats the name of those fonts that are open equivlant of MSfonts?
[10:12] <topyli> why do you blur the path to your current directory kahrytan?
[10:13] <kahrytan> cuz i want to>?
[10:13] <topyli> it's not like we're going to find and steal your desktop backgrounds :)
[10:13] <zniavre> how it's red  :-[
[10:13] <kahrytan> It's red .. and Yahoo is green. reminds me of something
[10:14] <kahrytan> zniavre-> http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160 .. Top 5 .. pick your flavor. GDM equivalent is available
[10:15] <kahrytan> The creator did a darn fine job making some really nice usplash themes for Hardy..
[10:15] <Almindor> hello
[10:15] <Almindor> anyone else here is getting "microfreezes with disk activity" lately?
[10:15] <zniavre> im usualy darker than colorfull
[10:16] <Almindor> since not so long ago, my disk starts going really high, CPU also 100% (soft), but I can't find the culprit via top or gnome system monitor
[10:16] <Almindor> usually intervals, and it really "stucks" things
[10:16] <kahrytan> zniavre->  you must have hated those original imacs
[10:16] <Almindor> even basic stuff, window repaints can get stuck
[10:17] <zniavre> kahrytan: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=72328
[10:17] <Almindor> any way to see processed by disk activity in top?
[10:18] <kahrytan> zniavre->  i dont mind dark but it hurts me eyes to view white bgs
[10:18] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: I like green :) : http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6463/screenshotzs4.png
[10:19] <kahrytan> You people and your Gnome Menu bars
[10:20] <kahrytan> Gnome Main Menu is better
[10:20] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: work in progress ;P
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> hi
[10:20] <kahrytan> takes up less space
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> why emerald themer don't start ?
[10:20] <DivineSpectrum> sorry for my english
[10:22] <whitehawk> hi
[10:22] <bullgard4> void^: I created /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and put in it a line "blacklist 8139cp". I rebooted. "~$ lsmod | grep 8139" still shows 8139cp and 8139too. So this was of no help. dmesg shows a lot of error messages but at the moment I have Internet access yet.
[10:22] <DivineSpectrum> the themes of emerald don't start..wht can i do?
[10:23] <afief> kahrytan, I agree:) and scales better. I have a one panel setup, 48 pixel bottom and my window list has two rows(I wish the default style had that)
[10:23] <crimsun> bullgard4: check if it's in your initramfs, then:  regenerate the initramfs by passing the verbose switch to update-initramfs -u, grep for 8139cp, then take appropriate action
[10:23] <topyli> kahrytan: it also adds clicks for places and system menus
[10:24] <crimsun> (gone)
[10:24] <topyli> places menu being probably the most important anyway
[10:25] <topyli> in fact i would probably add the places menu to my panel if you could get that alone. right now i have no menu
[10:25] <kahrytan> afief->  I use two but top one is transparent and designed for quick launch
[10:26] <kahrytan> topyli-> I dont goto system menus that often
[10:26] <topyli> kahrytan: yeah gotta have a quick launch button for thunderbird, pidgin and xchat. how many times a day do you launch them?
[10:26] <kahrytan> lol more times you want to know
[10:27] <kahrytan> gimp is there too :-P
[10:27] <kahrytan> topyli->  It's funny. I've always been reluctant to use gimp and now I use it allot
[10:27] <topyli> strange
[10:28] <topyli> i launch them zero times. chat and mail are in the session
[10:28] <kahrytan> I dont keep my apps open ..
[10:29] <kahrytan> I like a clutter free desktop/panel
[10:29] <topyli> grrr you're one of those annoying people who're online on jabber when YOU have some business with ME? what I want to talk to YOU about something?
[10:29] <topyli> i wait for when you bother to come online?
[10:30]  * kahrytan doesnt use jabber
[10:30] <kahrytan> I use to have pidgin/aim on all the time though
[10:33] <goodhabit> Guys, how I can set-up 5.1 sound?
[10:33] <goodhabit> I have purchased 5.1 soundsystem.
[10:33] <goodhabit> But dunno how to setup it.
[10:34] <kahrytan> It wouldnt be OS specific.
[10:35] <zerny> does anybody know of a prebuilt deb for vmware-player on hardy?
[10:35] <kahrytan> Browser Appliance?
[10:35] <kahrytan> that uses Hardy?
[10:36] <Fritzel> ok what just happened, somehow konversation just started uploading something by itsself, where can I disable what would have done that
[10:37] <goodhabit> zerny, I think it will be out after hardy release.
[10:37] <kahrytan> Fritzel-> Why you using kconversation?
[10:37] <zerny> goodhabit: ok
[10:37] <Fritzel> because I don't know of a gnome alternative, I've used kde for forever
[10:38] <goodhabit> Fritzel, konversation is the best. KDE too )
[10:38] <Fritzel> kahrytan: that said do you know the solution to the problem? these files cannot be shared
[10:38] <Fritzel> I like konversation ^^
[10:38] <kahrytan> Xchat is best, imho
[10:38] <goodhabit> Under gnome xchat is the best.
[10:39] <LSD|Ninja> no, under any DE irssi is best :P
[10:39] <Fritzel> regardless, how can I disable it?
[10:40] <kahrytan> turn off DCC
[10:41] <Fritzel> that turns off all file transfers, I just want to disable triggers
[10:41] <Fritzel> actually nevermind I'll give xchat a shot
[10:42] <Laibsch> Hi, I believe it is very important that bug 181406 is fixed before the release
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181406 in aptitude "aptitude crashed with SIGSEGV in pkgRecords::Lookup()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181406
[10:42] <Laibsch> Is there a way to mark it RC?
[10:43] <bullgard4> What did crimsun mean at 11:23 GMT+1 by "check if it's in your initramfs"?
[10:44] <Fritzel> I do have a question though, how do I choose what server and channels I want to open on startup with xchat
[10:44] <LSD|Ninja> Fritzel: In the optios for hte servers you connect to iirc
[10:44] <LSD|Ninja> you can tell it what servers to connect to at startup and in the options for those servers your IDENTIFY string and the channels you want it to join
[10:48] <Fritzel> ok I got the channels all set, but there is one thing I'm not seeing, how do I choose which server to connect to when xchat launches?
[10:49] <LSD|Ninja> Fritzel: iirc, it was a checkbox on the server properties. "Connect on startup" or something
[10:49] <kahrytan> Fritzel-> Auto Connect checkbox in Edit
[10:49] <Fritzel> yeah I don't know how I missed that, got it thank you
[10:50] <kahrytan> Fritzel->  a Doh moment eh?
[10:50] <Fritzel> kahrytan, pretty much ^^
[10:50] <kahrytan> You can change the channel list to buttons on bottom or top
[10:53] <kahrytan> hehe .. Now this is more usable gmail .. basic html
[10:55] <goodhabit> JohnRobert, about flash locking sound.
[10:56] <goodhabit> Try to redirect it to pulseaudio server.
[10:57] <Keule> hi there!
[10:58] <Keule> is it possible to preload the start-menu while the systemstart?
[11:00] <cpk1> are there any extra steps needed to play dvds?
[11:00] <kahrytan> So .. Preload gnome main menu while system is booting?
[11:00] <kahrytan> cpk1->  you need libdvdcss
[11:01] <kahrytan> !dvd
[11:01] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:01] <Keule> kahrytan: yepp - i think it could be possible when logged on - isnt it?
[11:04] <Miineti> hi
[11:04] <kahrytan> hi
[11:04] <topyli> Keule: the menu is started with your gnome session. you can't start it before that
[11:05] <topyli> it's a gnome panel applet after all
[11:05] <Keule> topyli: i know - thats ok  - but when i klick on it the first time.... it lasts 2-4 seconds till it starts
[11:05] <topyli> yeah :(
[11:05] <topyli> it reads all your .desktop files and loads all the icons
[11:05] <Miineti> what would you recommend as a wlan receiver on an USB port for hardy? as my last doesnt work anymore. should be as stable as possible and speed and low cost shouldnt hurt, too ;) thanks, very much :)
[11:07] <kahrytan> topyli->  dont ya think it load those files at gnome startup?
[11:07] <cpk1> kahrytan: thanks, tdidnt realize there was a script i needed to run to install it
[11:07] <kahrytan> Just goto Medibuntu website. and followthe repos howto.
[11:07] <topyli> kahrytan: doesn't seem that way
[11:08] <kahrytan> topyli->  that was idea
[11:11] <topyli> btw the "plain text passwords" article on the pidgin site has an impressive list of IM clients, none of which "provide real password security". i didn't see gajim in the list and took a look. sure enough, it's the only one to use gnome-keyring
[11:13] <kahrytan> Does pidgin?
[11:13] <topyli> pidgin stores them in plain text
[11:13] <kahrytan> I knew there was a reason I didnt store password
[11:13] <Volkodav> is there Compix/Beryl in Xubuntu?
[11:13] <white_eagle> hardy will be released with fx 2 or with fx 3.0b5??
[11:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  I bet that is because Pidgin is cross platform
[11:14] <topyli> kahrytan: well, random people can hardly read your files in the first place
[11:14] <kahrytan> gnome-keyring doesnt exist on Windows
[11:14] <topyli> windows does have an equivalent i bet
[11:14] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: FF3b5 as of now
[11:14] <kahrytan> err probably does it.
[11:14] <kahrytan> probably does not have it
[11:15] <white_eagle> DistroJockey: why release a stable distro with an unstable browser
[11:15] <white_eagle> ?
[11:15]  * DistroJockey shrugs
[11:15] <kahrytan> topyli->  then Pidgin developers would have to make two different clients for Widows and Linux
[11:15] <kahrytan> Windows*
[11:15] <white_eagle> very stupid
[11:15] <goodhabit> white_eagle, actually ff is very stable for now. Possible that version will come as stable.
[11:15] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: works fine here
[11:16] <white_eagle> ff 3.0b5 crashes like hell on me, and is very slow with my internet connection
[11:16] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  Better question: Why release a distro with browser with dozens of unsupported extensions for it
[11:16] <topyli> kahrytan: no, they would implement support for keyrings on all systems, and it would be enabled at compile time
[11:16] <kahrytan> XP doesnt have one.
[11:17] <topyli> kahrytan: also, if they finished gnome-keyring support first, for example, it would be enabled only when compiling for gnome.
[11:17] <white_eagle> for an example when I pass my bandwith limit, my internet connection slows down to 5-10 kb/s and firefox (2.0 or 3.0 betas) hardly even open a web page
[11:17] <white_eagle> and opera opens them really slow, but it opens them
[11:17] <topyli> kahrytan: when they implement a solution for window, the compile option would be enabled there
[11:17] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  you are capped?
[11:17] <white_eagle> kahrytan: ??
[11:17] <white_eagle> yes
[11:17] <white_eagle> to 10 GB
[11:17] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  i feel sorry for you
[11:18] <goodhabit> white_eagle, try to use konqueror browser. Imho it is best browser ever.
[11:18] <whitehawk> ff3.0b5 has lot's of problems
[11:18] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> FF2 is in Repos.
[11:18] <white_eagle> goodhabit: yes konqueror is also fast
[11:18] <kahrytan> thats KDE
[11:18] <goodhabit> Yep.
[11:18] <whitehawk> not rendering correctly and such. It might be the problem of badly coded pages too, but developers didn't adapt yet, so it can lead to a poor experiece
[11:18] <kahrytan> Epiphany is best for Gnome
[11:18]  * goodhabit happy kde4 user.
[11:19]  * white_eagle happy gnome user
[11:19]  * kahrytan happy gnome 2.22 user
[11:19] <DistroJockey> gnome ftw ;)
[11:19] <white_eagle> yes, firefox hardly even opens google.com
[11:19] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  seriously, i feel sorry for you and ISP capping behavior.
[11:20] <white_eagle> nah, its ok
[11:20] <kahrytan> DSL companies dont do that as much.
[11:20] <DistroJockey> kahrytan: better to be slowed than charged $ per MB
[11:20] <white_eagle> yes
[11:20] <white_eagle> you are right
[11:21] <kahrytan> Cable companies cap more, DSL companies are more relaxed.
[11:21] <kahrytan> Why is that?
[11:21] <hyperair> does anyone find that networkmanager keeps prompting for a network key when the accesspoint disappears?
[11:21] <Miineti> cause theyre rich?
[11:21] <white_eagle> is there any webkit linux browser (if we count konqueror as a KHTML browser)?
[11:21] <Miineti> hyperair: yep
[11:21] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  its coming.
[11:22] <hyperair> Miineti: bug isn't it?
[11:22] <Miineti> dunno
[11:22] <white_eagle> konqueror just crashed on me
[11:22] <topyli> ahh the pidgin team does know there's a XEP for jabber PGP support, and there's even a bug about that: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/288
[11:22] <white_eagle> kahrytan: what browser is comming
[11:22] <Miineti> i often find things buggy, which are sposed to be weird :D
[11:22] <Keule> topyli: is there a solution for preload the start-menu?
[11:22] <DistroJockey> white_eagle: Midori
[11:22] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  the broswer
[11:23] <topyli> Keule: i don't know. i don't use the menu so i'm not terribly interested
[11:23] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori
[11:24] <topyli> white_eagle: epiphany-webkit is on the way, and they're dropping gecko support altogether in the future
[11:24] <kahrytan> and by coming, i mean early stages of v0.05
[11:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  I was wondering about that
[11:25] <kahrytan> topyli->  It would be nice to have linux use different rendering enginers.
[11:25] <kahrytan> Firefox, Opera, and Webkit. just need ie... nahhh
[11:25] <topyli> linux uses no engine :)
[11:25] <white_eagle> who the hell needs IE these days
[11:25] <kahrytan> It must uses horses then?
[11:26] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> hence nahhh
[11:26] <white_eagle> all of my friends are happy with either firefox or opera
[11:26] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:26] <white_eagle> is there a release party for hardy?
[11:26] <white_eagle> :D
[11:26] <kahrytan> Web Designers should shut out IE users.
[11:26] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Only if you bring the champagne.
[11:26] <white_eagle> and "trident" what name  is that
[11:27] <white_eagle> it suxxorz
[11:27] <white_eagle> :D
[11:27] <Miineti> ill get vodka
[11:27] <Miineti> and my collegues :)
[11:27] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit
[11:27] <MyKelSilver> Just downloaded the image of the live CD. I know there must be a method to verify the authenticity of the image (sort of CRC or key check) ? And where can I find this key to compare with?
[11:27] <white_eagle> I know
[11:27] <kahrytan> I dont drink beer or liquor.
[11:27] <white_eagle> kahrytan: I know about epiphany
[11:27] <white_eagle> and webkit
[11:28] <Miineti> MyKelSilver: use md5sum
[11:28] <kahrytan> i like the new gnome design
[11:28] <kahrytan> its clean
[11:28] <MyKelSilver> ah yes
[11:28] <white_eagle> is webkit fast? never tried it
[11:28] <white_eagle>  :p
[11:28] <MyKelSilver> But this md5sum is not placed on the ubuntu site.... Any link ?
[11:28] <kahrytan> webkit is Safari engine isnt it?
[11:28] <white_eagle> yes
[11:29] <topyli> white_eagle: fast enough for nokia's mobile browser
[11:29] <white_eagle> nokia's s60 or s40 browser
[11:29] <topyli> s60
[11:29] <Miineti> MD5: c7aea4a4898a16fc0704e0c9e40c7097 *hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[11:29] <Miineti> MD5: d513e3ac7ec0b6e4678e12d4bd52a94e *hardy-desktop-amd64.iso says http://www.livedistro.org/release-announcements/gnu/linux-releases/ubuntu-8-04-lts-hardy-heron-alpha-1
[11:29] <kahrytan> isnt firefox open source?
[11:29] <white_eagle> i think it was called netfront
[11:30] <white_eagle> or something like that
[11:30] <white_eagle> kahrytan: it is
[11:30] <Miineti> oops, thats the alpha
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> Thank you very much ! :-)
[11:30] <Miineti> nononono
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> o
[11:30] <kahrytan> not under gpl. Mozilla license
[11:30] <Volkodav> Checking for Composite extension: not present <== I am getting this error when starting compiz ?
[11:30] <Miineti> thats not the rc :)
[11:30] <white_eagle> but it is open source
[11:30] <MyKelSilver> oeps mmmm
[11:30] <topyli> white_eagle: http://www.s60.com/business/whatss60/builtinapplications/webrowser/
[11:30] <Miineti> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/MD5SUMS
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> :-)
[11:31] <Miineti> there ye are :)
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> super
[11:31] <topyli> white_eagle:  no it's ingeniously dubbed "web browser for s60", or "web" as we affectionally like to call it
[11:31] <white_eagle> i hate apple for not releasing safari for linux
[11:31] <kahrytan> It took me 4 tries to burn Hardy RC cd.
[11:31] <Miineti> MyKelSilver: youre dling the rc, not the beta, right?
[11:31] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> I love Apple for not doing that
[11:31] <kahrytan> i hate it on Windows.
[11:31] <MyKelSilver> yes the latest release C
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> I have now the 7.04 and will try it in VirtualBox
[11:32] <Miineti> 8.04
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> Yes, my current is 7.04
[11:32] <Miineti> k :)
[11:32] <MyKelSilver> And the downloaded is 8.04
[11:33] <MyKelSilver> np
[11:33] <kahrytan> I, however, miss iTunes a little
[11:33] <kahrytan> more and more people are startingto use it for podcasts
[11:33] <white_eagle> stupid xchat crashing on me
[11:34] <Miineti> why xchat? O_O
[11:34] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  you sure it was xchat or jsut nqo (pun)
[11:34] <kahrytan> *just
[11:34] <MyKelSilver> It was an advise from a unix nerd....
[11:34] <MyKelSilver> :-)
[11:34] <kahrytan> Miineti-> cuz xchat ownz
[11:35] <Miineti> ooooh, kewl, since when?
[11:35] <MyKelSilver> http://cmdrtaco.net/
[11:35] <MyKelSilver> his advise
[11:35] <kahrytan> cmdrtaco .. i remember that name ... hes the editor somewhere.
[11:35] <MyKelSilver> o didn't know that
[11:36]  * Miineti only once had a taco usin cmd
[11:37] <white_eagle> xkcd kicks ass
[11:37] <MyKelSilver> :-)
[11:37] <Miineti> dilbert kicks ass! :P
[11:38] <white_eagle> dinosaur comics also
[11:38] <MyKelSilver> well... I'm ready for the jump to 8.10... First on VirtualBox ... Very curious......... Great feeling :-)
[11:39] <jaffarkelshac> what other text-based apps are there that run in terminal (like mp3blaster, alsamixer)..
[11:39] <MyKelSilver> CYl8ter2All
[11:40] <kahrytan> so whose cmdr taco?
[11:40] <Miineti> gedit? :P
[11:41] <Keule> ﻿ how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....
[11:41] <Belisarivs> Hi all. I'm experiencing crashes on GMA950 when compiz enabled. Coudl you please helpme to fill useful bug report?
[11:41] <kahrytan> xchat has python too
[11:43] <kahrytan> Belisarivs-> Run Compiz in console and report the error when it crashes.
[11:43] <white_eagle> :D
 I cannot. Mea culpa. Those aren't crashes, but freezes.
[11:44] <kahrytan> error reports are useful
[11:44] <Belisarivs> Mouse works, but that is all. I have to resort to use SysRq
[11:44] <white_eagle> ctrl-alt-del (the comic) ruined my day this day
[11:44] <Volkodav> mine says Checking for Composite extension: not present
[11:44] <Volkodav> I have Composite "1" in xorg
[11:44] <kahrytan> Belisarivs->  upgrade to graphics card?
Not all of them are usefull.
[11:45] <white_eagle> check out the latest xkcd comic
I use Intel GMA950 on notebook HP530.
[11:46] <Belisarivs> Driver is intel 2.2.1
[11:46] <kahrytan> i always thought graphics chipsets sucked at opengl
[11:46] <Belisarivs> Compiz works for me pretty well.
[11:46] <Belisarivs> It didn't even freeze in GG. Now it does.
[11:47] <Belisarivs> I'm not sure where is problem.
[11:47] <white_eagle> hey, if I upgrade to hardy RC now, will upgrading to final not take long?
[11:47] <Belisarivs> Whether it is compiz or intel driver.
[11:47] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  cuz then all you got is package updates
[11:47] <kahrytan> like the 12 today
[11:48] <topyli> white_eagle: you will be stealthily upgrade to the final during the week
[11:48] <topyli> just keep installing the updates
[11:48] <white_eagle> how big (in MB) is the RC update?
[11:49] <white_eagle> I am using gutsy
[11:49] <topyli> as big as your gutsy installation
[11:49] <bazhang> very big
[11:49] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Imagine installing Gnome 2.22 and it's extras
[11:49] <white_eagle> 700 MB?
[11:49] <white_eagle> wow
[11:49] <topyli> surprised?
[11:49] <white_eagle> yeah
[11:49] <topyli> all packages will be updated, no?
[11:49] <white_eagle> i thought it would be smaller
[11:50] <Lamego> white_eagle, it is the equivalent to a full install
[11:50] <white_eagle> well, I need to pay for the internet, so my download speed to get higher
[11:50] <white_eagle> then I will update to hardy
[11:50] <topyli> it's probably more than a full install since you've installed extra goodies after installing gutsy
[11:50] <white_eagle> yeah
[11:50] <Keule> ﻿ how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....
[11:51] <kahrytan> that darn cap
All packages, you have, are to be upgraded. Therefore big download.
[11:51] <kahrytan> You keep running into that cap, white_eagle
[11:51] <white_eagle> It won't take longer than 8 hours I think
[11:51] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  ever considered isp change that doesnt cap?
[11:51] <white_eagle> :)
[11:52] <kahrytan> Just download the iso
[11:52] <white_eagle> I don't have an ISP which doesn't cap
[11:52] <white_eagle> overhere
[11:52] <GIn> how to upgrade to the rc verison? I don't want to wait any more
[11:52] <kahrytan> dsl?
[11:52] <white_eagle> it does have an Isp which doesn't cap
[11:52] <kahrytan> !ugrade
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ugrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <kahrytan> !upgrade
[11:52] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:52] <white_eagle> but its too expensive
[11:52] <white_eagle> and its cable
[11:52] <white_eagle> I hate cable internet
[11:53] <GIn> there is no info about upgrade to Hardy on that page
[11:53] <lumm> most cable isps also shape the shit outa hell
[11:53] <kahrytan> dont you have dsl
[11:53] <white_eagle> I am using wifi now (don't laugh its pretty fast)
[11:53] <kahrytan> avail
[11:53] <white_eagle> its pretty fast when I don't go over the cap
[11:53] <kahrytan> You could contact LoCo if anyone can spare a cd
[11:53] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:53] <Keule> ﻿preloading
[11:54] <Lamego> GIn, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[11:54] <white_eagle> If I want a package for internet which doesn't cap, it costs ~40$
[11:54] <kahrytan> thats an idea .. LoCo could make copies of release cds that are downloaded.
[11:54] <white_eagle> and thats expensive for m
[11:54] <white_eagle> me*
[11:55] <lumm> u can request them for free
[11:55] <white_eagle> I will upgrade soon, don't worry
[11:55] <white_eagle> ;)
[11:55] <white_eagle> soon = tommorow
[11:55] <lumm> lets see if i can remember my shipit.com axs
[11:55] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> I got DSL, Unlimited Local and LD, Caller ID,  for $56/month
[11:55] <lumm> could need 1-2 hardy orginaql cds as well=)
[11:55] <white_eagle> I have a shipit account
[11:56] <white_eagle> and I have ordered a cd
[11:56] <white_eagle> preordered*
[11:56] <kahrytan> shipit does hardy now
[11:56] <lumm> :)
[11:56] <white_eagle> yes
[11:56] <white_eagle> and I have joined a translators group
[11:56] <lumm> will req mien now
[11:56] <white_eagle> i'm doing good for now
[11:56] <lumm> lets see how long it will take
[11:56] <lumm> :D
[11:56] <kahrytan> a month
[11:56] <lumm> guess they have lots of work this days
[11:56] <lumm> gutsy i got after 2 weeks :>
[11:57] <white_eagle> I got gutsy about 2.5 weeks
[11:57] <white_eagle> after
[11:57] <kahrytan> Final CD is preparing uploaded to manufacturer like the 22nd-23rd
[11:57] <kahrytan> -preparing
[11:57] <white_eagle> what will 8.10 be called?
[11:57] <white_eagle> :D
[11:57] <kahrytan> i forgot. its named
[11:57] <kahrytan> !releases
[11:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:57] <white_eagle> thanks
[11:58] <kahrytan> Intrepid Ibex is 8.10
[11:58] <lumm> btw if u setup a crypted lvm with alternate cd and then update to lvm2 root partition isnt mounted anymore after bootup..:S
[11:58] <white_eagle> oh, and do you happen to know when will gnome 2.24 be released
[11:58] <lumm> dunno if its a bug
[11:58] <lumm> i get an error will post it later
[11:59] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  let
[11:59] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  lets hope before Ibex.
[11:59] <topyli> white_eagle: september 24
[12:00] <GIn> need to dl about 600MB to upgrade, basically the hardy iso
[12:00] <white_eagle> on september 29 is my birthday
[12:00] <white_eagle> :(
[12:00] <white_eagle> I would have liked it :D
[12:00] <kahrytan> I wonder how many people realize the version numbers in Ubuntu mean something.
[12:00] <white_eagle> to be released on my birthday
[12:00] <white_eagle> they do
[12:01] <kahrytan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[12:01] <Keule> ﻿how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....  Prelink istn necessary since feisty.. but my starmenu ist damn slow
[12:01] <GIn> kahrytan: not many ppl know the meaning of the numbers
[12:01] <white_eagle> I do I do
[12:01] <white_eagle> :)
[12:01] <kahrytan> Year.Month
[12:02] <kahrytan> In October 2010, it will be 10.10
[12:03] <gluer> wonder what it will look like in 2020
[12:03] <kahrytan> w/o bash i hope
[12:04] <kahrytan> eventually, it will have to go. and no doube people will drag their feet
[12:04] <kahrytan> doubt*
[12:04] <white_eagle> in 10.10 windows will fall :D
[12:04] <topyli> only three new modules proposed for gnome 2.24 btw. conduit, empathy, hamster-applet (whatever that is)
[12:04] <white_eagle> hamster-applet?
[12:04] <kahrytan> white_eagle-> Windows will in 2014.
[12:05] <topyli> not sure if conduit will be mature enough in time. i would love to see empathy get in though
[12:05] <kahrytan> winn fall
[12:05] <GIn> gnome should "fix" their browse dialog window first.
[12:05] <kahrytan> white_eagle->  it takes M$ 6-7 years for new release. So it will fall with Windows 7
[12:05] <topyli> GIn: new modules don't interfere with fixing existing modules
[12:05] <white_eagle> windows will fall on 24 april
[12:05] <white_eagle> :)
[12:05] <gluer> when is gnome menu system getting a facelift?
[12:05] <topyli> gnome has no chat client, and since one is proposed now i'm glad it's based on telepathy
[12:06] <white_eagle> bye guys, of to school
[12:06] <kahrytan> gluer->  when you install new one?
[12:06] <topyli> gluer: which menu?
[12:06] <kahrytan> topyli-> the gnome main menu applet
[12:06] <gluer> yeh
[12:07] <kahrytan> gluer->  you should see Linux Mint
[12:07] <topyli> i haven't heard of plans to change it
[12:07] <gluer> kahrytan: is it good?
[12:07] <kahrytan> gluer-> http://linuxmint.com/screenshots.php
[12:07] <topyli> i think they entertained the idea of a slab-based menu but reason won
[12:08] <GIn> the gnome menu is fine.. using the one on Linux mint, takes more time to get to an application
[12:08] <kahrytan> topyli->  the linux mint menu is the main reason i want to learn python
[12:09] <kahrytan> Linux Mint doesnt use gnome main menu
[12:09] <topyli> GIn: well, using a menu in general increases the time to actually launch an application :)
[12:09] <kahrytan> topyli->  typing it in console increases time to actually launch and appl.
[12:10] <kahrytan> Especially those who type slow.
[12:10] <gluer> i dont want to type everything
[12:10] <topyli> deskbar-applet or gnome-do search for application names
[12:10] <kahrytan> It would be nice if they ported Mint menu to ubuntu
[12:10] <topyli> want a text editor, type "text" and the app is probably already there
[12:11] <topyli> kahrytan: mint is based on ubuntu, i bet the menu will run just fine
[12:11] <kahrytan> topyli->  the new menu feature in deskbar in hardy is cuz of me.
[12:11] <topyli> what new menu feature?
[12:11] <kahrytan> Mint Menu is tied into the distro oh-so-wel.
[12:12] <Miineti> how tis, MyKelSilver? :)
[12:12] <topyli> kahrytan: no it's not, it's just a package. iirc there's also a library you need
[12:12] <MyKelSilver> Just want to step by to say: Great Work fellows! Nice
[12:12] <kahrytan> topyli-> Window Behavior for Deskbar
[12:12] <MyKelSilver> Very happy
[12:12] <kahrytan> topyli-> Mint menu packages requires Mint Desktop package
[12:12] <gluer> i want a floating dock that has main icons, that i can scroll through with the mouse scroller then select
[12:12] <topyli> kahrytan: windo behavior? i don't see what you mean
[12:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Deskbar>Preferences>General tab
[12:13] <topyli> kahrytan: oh. so install it
[12:13] <MyKelSilver> The only drawback is that it have to reboot :-)
[12:13] <kahrytan> You have to install Linux Mint for the mint menu
[12:13] <MyKelSilver> Had my machine always online
[12:13] <Yetiszaf> What do I do if hardy crashes every now and then and SysRQ is not working?
[12:13] <topyli> no :(
[12:13] <Kano> hi, why is it not possible to install sun-java-plugin? just tested kubuntu kde4 live mode
[12:14] <MyKelSilver> 7.10 has never failed to me
[12:14] <topyli> kahrytan: the "stick to panel" thing? that's the original behavior. the window decoration was a momentary lapse of reason i think
[12:14] <MyKelSilver> But I definitely go to this version
[12:15] <kahrytan> topyli-> Yeah .. and I filed a feature suggestion.
[12:15] <Svish> is it possible to get the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal to automatically log in and start something when i boot up ubuntu?
[12:15] <topyli> kahrytan: great
[12:15] <kahrytan> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
[12:15] <JohnRobert> arrggg
[12:15] <kahrytan> What is wrong with ubuntu Date and Time
[12:15] <MyKelSilver> thx 2 all adios
[12:15] <kahrytan> it cant keep time
[12:16] <Svish> mine works perfectly
[12:16] <Miineti> mine does nearly
[12:16] <kahrytan> There is no UT preference anywhere anymore
[12:16] <topyli> oh ok, hamster is a time tracker tool
[12:17] <topyli> kahrytan: you probably want to sync with a time server. pc clocks are about as reliable as humans
[12:18] <kahrytan> cant... no hst server
[12:18] <kahrytan> nor will it allow me too.
[12:18] <kahrytan> keeps saying to install ntp... duh.. i did
[12:19] <topyli> kahrytan: hst? your timezone? time servers don't care what timezone you're in
[12:19] <kahrytan> yeah but server should be local should nti?
[12:19] <Yetiszaf> Svish: take a look at /etc/event.d/tty*
[12:20] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no such file or directory
[12:20] <Yetiszaf> Svish: is /etc/inittab there?
[12:21] <jaffarkelshac> is there a straight forward way to find out what command launches certain progams? so far i add it to panel and right click properties to find out, is there an easy and straight forward way?
[12:21] <topyli> kahrytan: no it doesn't need to be local
[12:21] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no, but /etc/event.d is. and when I ls I get tty1 and tty2 and so on
[12:21] <Svish> Yetiszaf: but no tty
[12:21] <kahrytan> topyli->  it sends timezone during request?
[12:21] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, you can look at /usr/share/applications
[12:22] <Yetiszaf> Svish: well, that's why I wrote tty*. Take tty1, thats the first terminal.
[12:22] <Svish> oh, hehe, sorry
[12:22] <Svish> Yetiszaf: but how do I use it?
[12:22] <topyli> kahrytan: i guess they speak in UTC, your system takes care of adjusting to timezone
[12:22] <Svish> it says stuff like start on stopped rc2, etc...
[12:22] <Svish> stop on runlevel 0
[12:22] <Oli``> How can I downgrade firefox to v3 beta 4? I need firebug for my livelihood =)
[12:22] <Ng> jaffarkelshac: there's a menu editor in System->Preferences which you can use to examine all the menu launchers
[12:23] <jaffarkelshac> Lamego, so all icons are .desktop
[12:23] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, yup
[12:24] <Yetiszaf> Svish: There should be a line in tty0 starting with getty. That's the one starting the login. If you modify that to run the program you want ...
[12:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  Ifthey speak UTC, then computer adds -10 to the time
[12:24] <kahrytan> for me
[12:25] <Svish> Yetiszaf: there is no tty0, and in tty1 there is no line starting with getty
[12:25] <Svish> Yetiszaf: the first line of the file is "# tty1 - getty"
[12:26] <kahrytan> Oli``->  you can install FF2
[12:26] <Yetiszaf> Svish: is there a file called /etc/event.d/tty0
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: http://pastebin.com/d3cf4a85f
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: no such file no
[12:26] <Svish> Yetiszaf: just tty1 to tty6
[12:27] <Oli``> kahrytan: I'm happy with FF3. Beta 4 was perfect. I thought there was a way to go back to a previous version using apt
[12:27] <Miineti> no my clock insists, that its 2 hours earlier than it is :S
[12:27] <Yetiszaf> Svish: good. now lock at the last line in tty1.
[12:27] <Svish> yeah, the exec line?
[12:27] <kahrytan> Oli``-> I dont know .. if you do. lock the package in Synaptic
[12:27] <kahrytan> Oli``->  that will keep it from being updated
[12:28] <Yetiszaf> Svish: exactly. it calls getty to tty1. That line is what makes the login-prompt appear.
[12:29] <kahrytan> topyli->  I see no one considered to add warning msg to tty (ctrl-alt-f1)
[12:29] <Svish> Yetiszaf: hm... so, the lines after respawn is what happens when I press ctrl+alt+f1, kind of?
[12:29] <Yetiszaf> Svish: now you should look at the manpage for getty and then build a wrapper which dumps all priviledges and runs at the UID of the user you want logged in and then calls the program you want to run.
[12:30] <Yetiszaf> Svish: Not exactly. when you press C-A-F1 you tell your OS you want to see a the virtual console 1.  The line happens when you boot the system and everytime you exit a shell on the console 1.
[12:30] <Svish> aha
[12:32] <Svish> Yetiszaf: it only talks about modem stuff though... not sure how to go about this :p
[12:33] <kahrytan> in case no one seen -> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png <- my take on hardy
[12:37] <Keule> ﻿can someone tell me how i use preload or similar
[12:37] <Yetiszaf> Svish: well ... it thinks your Terminal is one ...
[12:37] <Keule> i only get a manual console tag.... how can i make a script for startup....?
[12:37] <Svish> Yetiszaf: weird...
[12:38] <Svish> Yetiszaf: so anyways, could I then just add an exec top for example to get a top running on that consol? or?
[12:38] <Yetiszaf> Svish: Nope, Oldschool.
[12:38] <Svish> :p
[12:39] <Yetiszaf> Svish: We have a set of PCs running that are in an office without a copymachine. On those PCs tty1 has the Line "exec /sbin/getty -n -l /usr/local/bin/copy.pl 38400 tty1" inside, that just starts a perlscript which copys on the press of the "c"-button.
[12:40] <Yetiszaf> Svish: for linux, it does not matter whether the console is local and virtual or serial or remote or via modem. It's all the same.
[12:40] <Svish> so I could change that copy.pl to something else? like top? just as an example
[12:40] <Svish> or ls for that matter
[12:41] <Svish> just, something simple that does something :p
[12:41] <Svish> top is probably a better example since it doesnt stop running
[12:42] <Yetiszaf> Svish: No, you should never ever do something like that.
[12:43] <Yetiszaf> Svish: top would be running as root, and you don't want that.
[12:43] <Svish> Yetiszaf: hm... :p ok...
[12:43] <Svish> Yetiszaf: how can I get it to run as something else then? like my normal user
[12:43] <Yetiszaf> What you want is a little script that dumps all priviledges to either nobody or a user created to run that script and secured enough to not give people access.
[12:44] <Svish> Yetiszaf: and in english that would be? :p sorry, im not too familiar with linux stuff yet...
[12:46] <Yetiszaf> Svish: you want something that does not open the root-Account. You want something that sets the active user to someone with less rights.
[12:46] <Svish> Yetiszaf: and how do I do that?
[12:46] <Svish> i dont even have a clue how to start on that, hehe
[12:49] <Yetiszaf> Svish: take a look at "rungetty". that should do most of the work for you.
[12:49] <Svish> Yetiszaf: ok. will do :) thanks for the help
[12:50] <Keule> ﻿how can i preload the startmenu after i logged on? - it lasts 2-4 secs when i klick on it the first time....  Prelink istn necessary since feisty.. but my starmenu ist damn slow - theres is preload in repros - how can i add that to startup?
[12:52] <DistroJockey> Keule: sounds like the following:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/44002
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44002 in gnome-panel "Trivial actions are not appearing immediately" [Low,Triaged]
[12:53] <ricanelite> hello and good morning everyone
[12:53] <naught101> has anyone using kdenlive seen it log you out of your desktop?
[12:53] <DistroJockey> good evening ricanelite
[12:54] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  what time is it there?
[12:55] <Keule> DistroJockey: sounds so - how can i use "preload" for startup?
[12:55] <DistroJockey> Keule: no idea, sorry
[12:55] <Keule> i can type sudo preload oowriter
[12:55] <Keule> but thats manually - i want to have this at startup :(
[12:58] <kahrytan> gnome sessions, Keule
[12:58] <ricanelite> 8:00am est
[12:59] <ricanelite> i live in Virginia, USA
[12:59] <ricanelite> i just installed Hardy
[12:59] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  aww .. I was there once upon a time. then i moved to HST
[12:59] <jimqode_> Hello. I'm trying to install a package with libgsl0 dependancy. libgsl0ldbl seems to replace it and package work fine with that. But package manager sees the package as broken dependencies and want to remove it
[12:59] <ricanelite> it is awesome that the Compiz-Fusion Plugins like 3D windows is already in there
[12:59] <Keule> kahrytan: ok and sudo works? - is that the correct way? or would it be correct otherwise
[12:59] <jimqode_> how can I set that packages state to installed instead of broken
[12:59] <ricanelite> wish the screen saver like flying windows was in there by default
[13:00] <ricanelite> is there a howto to get that screensaver in there
[13:00] <kahrytan> Keule->  but then it would ask for password
[13:00] <ricanelite> cause I'm fairly new to linux
[13:00] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> there is of flying ubuntu logos
[13:00] <ricanelite> there a screensaver that is flying windows
[13:00] <ricanelite> it is past of the compiz-plugins
[13:00] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> Screensaver Prefs
[13:01] <kahrytan> ricanelite->  called Floating Ubuntu
[13:01] <Keule>  kahrytan i know - isnt it possible with scripts or does preload in a other way? im not so familar with that
[13:01] <ricanelite> no it is on the ccsm settings
[13:02] <kahrytan> Keule->  dunno
[13:02] <ricanelite> like the fish in the transparent cube
[13:02] <kahrytan> but thats not screensaver, ricanelite
[13:02] <ricanelite> oh okay
[13:02] <Keule> kahrytan: dunno?
[13:02] <ricanelite> do you know where there is a howto to get that on there
[13:02] <ricanelite> but the ones i found is really hard to understand
[13:02] <ricanelite> being that im not good with the terminal
[13:03] <ricanelite> but willing to learn
[13:03] <ricanelite> this was the post i loved
[13:03] <ricanelite> but for some reason i cannot get in there no more
[13:03] <ricanelite> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=659282
[13:03] <kahrytan> ricanelite-> what?
[13:03] <ricanelite> where it has all of the 13 compiz plugins and was a awesome step by step howto
[13:04] <kahrytan> You dont have ccsm?
[13:04] <ricanelite> i have ccsm
[13:04] <ricanelite> but there is certain plugins i don't have
[13:04] <kahrytan> i dont use compize
[13:04] <ricanelite> like the snow flakes plugin
[13:04] <_Rambaldi_> !flood
[13:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[13:04] <kahrytan> Some of them wont work in ubuntu
[13:05] <ricanelite> well all of them did
[13:05] <ricanelite> when i followed the instructions
[13:05] <ricanelite> i will find a howto somewhere
[13:06] <kahrytan> Album Flip ripoff of itunes wont work I think
[13:06] <kahrytan> o h wait.. it was the pop out windows in 3d cube
[13:06] <kahrytan> thats the one i wanted
[13:10] <kahrytan> and it  is in Hardy
[13:10] <kahrytan> wahoo!
[13:17] <kahrytan> Anyone awake?
[13:18] <Andy80> how can I rename the connection created with "Connect to server" in Ubuntu?
[13:19] <Andy80> in Ubuntu 7.10 I could specify a nem for the connection... now the default name is "ftp as myuser@myhost.com"
[13:21] <kahrytan> Hello
[13:23] <kahrytan> Break News only on News Channel 9; New Viruses Spreads. Silents many users of Hardy heron in #ubuntu+1. More at a 11.
[13:23] <kahrytan> tough crowd.
[13:25] <jtravnick> trying to figure out if its 11am or pm when the more news is going to be on
[13:25] <Miineti> 11 WHERE?
[13:25] <kahrytan> lol
[13:25] <kahrytan> 11pm ..
[13:26] <Miineti> ecuador? malaysia? NZ?
[13:26] <kahrytan> Announced at 6'oclock news, more at 11
[13:26] <kahrytan> Evening news joke
[13:26] <Miineti> MET?
[13:26] <jtravnick> oh well see thats past my bed time as an old fart im lucky to be awake till 10pm
[13:26] <kahrytan> its 2:30am here
[13:26] <Miineti> :P bad joke
[13:26] <kahrytan> and still have been to bed
[13:27] <kahrytan> then again, i didnt wake up til 4pm
[13:27] <kahrytan> thats cuz i stayed up til 5am previous day
[13:27]  * kahrytan needs to find work.
[13:28] <jtravnick> I tend to have to do that all winter so glad spring is finaly here
[13:28] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  It's Hawaii, its Spring all year long
[13:28] <Miineti> i tend to never sleep :S
[13:28] <Miineti> kewl
[13:28] <kahrytan> My father has a joke
[13:28] <kahrytan> about the weather her
[13:28] <Miineti> kahrytan: can ye rent me some space at yours?
[13:28] <kahrytan> here
[13:29] <jtravnick> kahrytan, northern wisconsin here get two sesons snow and spring
[13:29] <kahrytan> Tempature is 80-90degrees, Raining somewhere on the island, there is fire somewhere in hawaii, and the surf is either up  or down :::waving hang loose hand:::
[13:30] <kahrytan> Miineti->  the studio I live in is 550 sq ft. Normally rents for $1100 a month. I get it dirt cheap cuz my parents own it.
[13:30] <kahrytan> Miineti->  Ultilties included in Condo unit... Cable, A/C, Water. Elec.
[13:31] <jtravnick> A/C whats that?
[13:31] <kahrytan> Air Conditioner.
[13:31] <kahrytan> Central A/C
[13:32] <jtravnick> whats it do?
[13:33] <Amaranth> jtravnick: err, you must live somewhere really cold :P
[13:33] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  What1? you live in a third word country?
[13:33] <Miineti> it makes the air comfy
[13:34] <Miineti> 1100...
[13:34]  * Miineti faints
[13:34]  * orvokki hugs Miineti 
[13:34] <Miineti> marry me!
[13:34] <Miineti> :P
[13:34] <jtravnick> hey were lucky if we get three weeks a year over 80s
[13:34] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  where?
[13:34] <jtravnick> kahrytan, northern wisconsin
[13:35] <IdleOne> might as well be in Alaska
[13:35] <orvokki> Miineti: The letters 'N' and 'O' popped up into my mind for some reason.
[13:35] <jtravnick> have more deer than people in this town
[13:35] <orvokki> ^^
[13:35] <kahrytan> I know someone who has a 1mil contract offer to work in Alaska for 3 years
[13:35] <Miineti> on?
[13:36] <Miineti> on what?
[13:36] <orvokki> I'm sure you're a nice guy but maybe still no. =^_^=
[13:36] <kahrytan> 1mil 3 year contract off to work in alaska
[13:36] <IdleOne> 3 yrs for a million
[13:36] <IdleOne> kahrytan: doing what? hunting seals???
[13:36] <kahrytan> IdleOne->  would you take it?
[13:37] <IdleOne> kahrytan: would depend on what the job is
[13:37]  * Miineti is a girl
[13:37] <kahrytan> Pharmacist job
[13:37] <Miineti> kewl
[13:37] <Miineti> i get 36k per anno in pharmacy
[13:37] <IdleOne> kahrytan: nope. they have enough drug addicts in alaska dont need me giving then more
[13:37] <Miineti> they gotta have much too much money over there, eh?
[13:38] <Miineti> 36k euros, though
[13:38] <IdleOne> Miineti: so about 52000 US a year
[13:38] <kahrytan> Pharmcist avg pay is 100k
[13:38] <kahrytan> USD
[13:38] <Miineti> wew
[13:38] <Miineti> what kind of pharmacist are ye speakin about? O_O
[13:38] <jtravnick> Miineti, na its just hard to get people to move out there
[13:39] <IdleOne> hmm more like 58000 US
[13:39] <kahrytan> thats 700k more to work in Alaska.
[13:39] <Miineti> owner of parexel like?
[13:39] <kahrytan> IdleOne->  Salary.com wage
[13:39] <orvokki> Miineti: Whether a guy or a girl, I still don't know you. :)
[13:39] <Lynoure> kahrytan: never guessed you were a pharmacist...
[13:39] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  it's not me
[13:39] <Miineti> if i can harass my gf to go to alaska, ill come :D
[13:40] <Miineti> orvokki, actually i wanted to marry kahrytan, btw ;)
[13:40] <kahrytan> lol
[13:41] <kahrytan> Everyone would love to be in Hawai`i
[13:41] <orvokki> Miineti: Thank God.
[13:41] <Lynoure> I wouldn't. :)
[13:41] <jtravnick> not me
[13:42] <Miineti> what island you live on?
[13:42] <kahrytan> the one where close to million is on.
[13:42] <jtravnick> had a chance to go there when i was in the army turned it down to go to germany instead
[13:42] <longtimeuser> Greetings all
[13:42] <Miineti> :S
[13:42] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  slap yourself.
[13:42] <longtimeuser> does touchscreen work in this ubuntu version ?
[13:42] <Lynoure> Miineti: not on an island, just a slightly different culture preference :)
[13:42] <kahrytan> jtravnick->  cuz hawaii is far better
[13:42] <jtravnick> kahrytan, nope loved my time over seas
[13:43] <kahrytan> There is big difference between Hawaii people and US Mainland people.
[13:43] <longtimeuser> can touch screen work guys ?
[13:43] <kahrytan> ^ anyone answer him?
[13:43] <longtimeuser> right now im on my tablet and touch screen doesnt work on 7.10 , and battery consumtion is 4 times windows
[13:43] <jtravnick> kahrytan, not for a G.I couldnt hardly afford to go off base back than
[13:44] <Lynoure> kahrytan: Not necessarily to a foreigner with a goofy sense of humour :)
[13:44] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  people here tend to live the ALoha spirit.
[13:44] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  thats like, living Ubuntu spirit but much better
[13:45] <longtimeuser> can ubuntu be drugged?
[13:45] <Lynoure> kahrytan: If you want me to explain, I can, in a message :)
[13:45] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  i accept.
[13:45] <Miineti> longtimeuser: unfortunately the only yet implemented is cigarettes
[13:46] <Miineti> and coffee
[13:46] <jtravnick> after watching that dog bounty hunter seams to me most are on crack over there
[13:46] <longtimeuser> i knew it , freaky questions gets the geeks attention , now please tell me can touch screen work with 8.04?
[13:47] <IdleOne> 3 times the average yearky salary to go to Alaska for 3 years isnt bad. I would take the offer ( if single and no kids )
[13:47] <IdleOne> yearly*
[13:47] <Miineti> longtimeuser: may be
[13:47] <bazhang> longtimeuser: some can yes
[13:47] <jtravnick> IdleOne,  lets see wife and kids? heck theres two resons for me to go lol
[13:48] <IdleOne> jtravnick: hehe I hear ya
[13:48] <longtimeuser> im getting married soon
[13:48] <IdleOne> dont do it!
[13:48] <jtravnick> longtimeuser, im sorry to hear it
[13:48] <Miineti> my girlfriend wants to stay :S
[13:48] <IdleOne> run RUN DAMN YOU  run!
[13:49] <longtimeuser> im slick with plans
[13:49] <Miineti> longtimeuser: my compassion
[13:49] <longtimeuser> i will make her high all day
[13:49] <longtimeuser> i will cook for her and make her tea everyday , but with my mixture
[13:49] <kahrytan> longtimeuser->  congratulations to the end of your know life.
[13:49] <kahrytan> known*
[13:49] <longtimeuser> my magic mixture
[13:49] <IdleOne> !o4o
[13:49] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[13:50] <longtimeuser> w3ed is drugs
[13:50] <longtimeuser> didnt know that
[13:50] <bazhang> why not take this to offtopic?
[13:50] <longtimeuser> no need i dont like to smoke i just like to cook , ;) im a cook
[13:51] <Miineti> what was the name of the offtopic chan?
[13:51] <longtimeuser> ubuntu-offtopic
[13:51] <bazhang> !ot
[13:51] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[13:51] <Miineti> you cook with pot?
[13:51] <longtimeuser> i will have to start cooking with pot when i get married lol
[13:51] <bazhang> Miineti: will call ops if you do not stop
[13:51] <Miineti> sry :)
[13:52] <longtimeuser> this channel is great
[13:52] <longtimeuser> i feel like quaking all over
[13:52] <longtimeuser> where is the frags
[13:52] <longtimeuser> lol
[13:52] <longtimeuser> hey bazhang i got you , a 11 second prediction that was soo sad of you to fall on my rocket
[13:53] <jtravnick> speaking of frags anyone playing doom3 on hardy yet?
[13:53] <longtimeuser> talk about UT3
[13:53] <bazhang> !ot > longtimeuser
[13:53] <longtimeuser> never mind
[13:53] <longtimeuser> take care all
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> how I find out which version number of the catalyst drivers are installed?
[13:54] <IdleOne> bazhang: that topic is ot in all ubuntu channels
[13:54] <kahrytan> _Lucretia_->  ati?
[13:54] <rever> Hi I upgraded my Gutsy install to Hardy on Friday, Everything seemed to go fine except my CPU usage is always very high. Compiz.real and xorg are always between 60-90
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: yeah
[13:54] <rever> This is on a Intel T7700 with Nvidia 8600GT
[13:54] <kahrytan> Synaptic would tell you what deb version is installed
[13:54] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: fglrxinfo only shows the GL version number
[13:55] <IdleOne> bazhang: SEE>>> longtimeuser (n=abdulla@auh-as27174.alshamil.net.ae) has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by Seveas: "out.")
[13:55] <longtimeuser> i thought offtopic can speak about anything lol
[13:55] <bazhang> IdleOne: certainly is; but the general chitchat should be in ot channel
[13:55] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: yeah, but I want to know which ATi version number it is, i.e. Catalyst 7.12, 8.3, 8.4, etc.
[13:55] <IdleOne> bazhang: yes you are right. I did not realise I was in here when chatting
[13:55] <longtimeuser> so offtopic is not for free talks ?
[13:55] <geu> Hi i wanted to install the ubuntu-xen-desktop package on my hardy system, but xenman is simply missing http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/base/ubuntu-xen-desktop?lang=de thats the reason it cant be installed, does one of you know a way to install xenman on hardy and afterward simply run apt-get install ubuntu-xen-desktop again?
[13:56] <Seveas> !o4o > longtimeuser
[13:56] <kahrytan> _Lucretia_->  find what deb you got installed
[13:56] <zub> longtimeuser: in OT you can speak only about war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide :))
[13:56] <kahrytan> zub->  more like .. cant talk about those things.
[13:56] <longtimeuser> i can speak ?
[13:56] <IdleOne> Seveas: I already showed him the factoid. didnt help him much
[13:56] <longtimeuser> i talked about drug they kicked me
[13:56] <Seveas> k
[13:57] <Seveas> longtimeuser, behave in here and no offtopic talk or they'll kick you from here as well
[13:57] <IdleOne> !coc | longtimeuser read the follwing it explains
[13:57] <ubotu> longtimeuser read the follwing it explains: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[13:57] <baudelaire> QUESTION: Can anyone tell me the official reason why webmin isn't in the repositories?  I can't seem to find it.  Thank you!
[13:57] <rever> Anyone else having issues with High CPU Usage in Hardy?
[13:57] <jtravnick>  longtimeuser dont feel bad i was signing a song and they baned me
[13:57] <Seveas> baudelaire, because it's unsafe and unmaintained
[13:57] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24.12-16.34
[13:57] <longtimeuser> no im not feeling bad
[13:58] <baudelaire> sorry, Thank you, Seveas
[13:58] <longtimeuser> im thinking how to talk with those brains
[13:58] <longtimeuser> so they are gentlement
[13:58] <bews1> I'm trying to produce a workaround for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/197209 in time for Hardy, but gnome-power-manager isn't cooperating
[13:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197209 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] fglrx + compiz fusion won't resume" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:58] <geu> can i use a source tarball to install it? btw. what is a source tarball?
[13:58] <Seveas> longtimeuser, last warning. no offtopic chitchat in here
[13:59] <_Lucretia_> kahrytan: xorg-driver-fglrx 1:7.1.0-8-3+2.6.24.12-16.34  <<-- I take it the 8-3 means Catalyst 8.3?
[13:59] <Lamego> !compile | geu
[13:59] <ubotu> geu: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[13:59] <longtimeuser> Seveas, how to work touch screen on my tablet
[13:59] <IdleOne> !tablet
[13:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:59] <IdleOne> hmmm
[13:59] <bews1> _Lucretia_: that's what it means
[13:59] <_Lucretia_> bews1: thatnks
[14:00] <_Lucretia_> bews1: I'm running the compviz stuff (nice) and 3D overlays dunt werk!
[14:00] <bews1> _Lucretia_: sorry, I don't even know what a 3d overlay is
[14:00] <_Lucretia_> bews1: well showing 3D in a window on the desktop
[14:00] <bews1> ATI did release an 8-4 driver though
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> yeah
[14:01] <bews1> _Lucretia_: if you are using XGL, that will fail.
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: no idea
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: how do I know?
[14:01] <_Lucretia_> bews1: or...find out, even :D
[14:01] <bews1> I think pgrep Xgl'
[14:01] <bews1> I mean 'pgrep Xgl' will tell you.
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> bews1: don't you have to grep a file or something?
[14:02] <bews1> ps waux | grep Xgl
[14:02] <bews1> same basic idea
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> oh
[14:02] <_Lucretia_> well pgrep Xgl brought back nothing
[14:03]  * _Lucretia_ has never used pgrep before :/
[14:03] <_Lucretia_> that's a new one
[14:03] <bews1> Then I have no hints other than "aticonfig --overlay-type=xv" which is in all the HOWTOs
[14:03] <bews1> \me learned pgrep yesterday
[14:03]  * bews1 learned it but not how to use the slash key
[14:03] <_Lucretia_> yeah I did that command yesterday, but it did nothing
[14:04] <_Lucretia_> doesn't actually change anything
[14:07] <longtimeuser> cya all
[14:09] <kahrytan> Why do people still use ati in ubuntu?
[14:11] <kahrytan> I heard so many horror stories about ati in linux ... has it gone away?
[14:11] <bazhang> you have an issue with ati kahrytan or just want to chat
[14:12] <spiniker> hello
[14:13] <kahrytan> bazhang-> has ati issue in Linux been fixed?
[14:13] <_Lucretia_> for the 3D desktop stuff, should I have AIGLX enabled in the xorg.conf?
[14:13] <bazhang> kahrytan: what is your specific issue; what have you done what card and how did you install the drivers
[14:14] <kahrytan> bazhang-> I use nvidia .. curiosity.
[14:14] <bazhang> kahrytan: so you just want to chat?
[14:14] <Miineti> kahrytan is just bored
[14:14] <bazhang> there is a channel for that iirc
[14:15] <spiniker> i did a dual boot of ubuntu and xp,however i cannot edit my grub,so that i could choose the boot order,any thoughts
[14:15] <kahrytan> bazhang->  Every once awhile people do need help here. And I try to help when possible.
[14:15] <bazhang> spiniker: cannot edit grub? what did you try to do and what errors did you get
[14:15] <kahrytan> spiniker->  why not?
[14:16] <kahrytan> spiniker->  By boot order, you mean choose which one is booted by default? or change the order in grub list?
[14:16] <spiniker> well i cant access it,i didnt partition it on one disk,i have two hard drives,ubuntu and xp..
[14:17] <kahrytan> Grub config is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:17] <kahrytan> spiniker->  Boot Ubuntu then edit the file. but have to be careful
[14:17] <spiniker> i used gedit
[14:18] <kahrytan> spiniker->  it is root owned.
[14:18] <spiniker> yup
[14:18] <kahrytan> spiniker-> so sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:18] <spiniker> well thats what i did..wait ill try and gt back to you
[14:19] <spiniker> command not found
[14:19] <spiniker> thats what it says on my terminal
[14:19] <jbroome> don't include "so"
[14:19] <spiniker> yeah i didnt include it..
[14:19] <kahrytan> spiniker-> " sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" without ""
[14:20] <spiniker> yep without " "
[14:20] <spiniker> same thing
[14:20] <kahrytan> can you open gedit?
[14:20] <dany_21a> spiniker, try sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:20] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try sudo gedit by itself
[14:21] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  that works too.
[14:21] <spiniker> is it posible since the os are separated on diff drives that i dont need to edit grub anymore
[14:21] <dany_21a> spiniker: or "kate" if you are using kubu...
[14:21] <kahrytan> spiniker->  I use twodifferent drives. too
[14:21] <spiniker> ah ok wiat ill try ur suggestion
[14:22] <spiniker> command not found
[14:22] <spiniker> again
[14:22] <jbroome> that's odd
[14:22] <spiniker> sudo gedit worked,but the document is empty
[14:23] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try to open sudo nautilus
[14:23] <Pici> !gksudo
[14:23] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[14:23] <kahrytan> Pici->  yeah yeah doh me.
[14:23] <dany_21a> kahrytan: maybe he is using lilo ?
[14:23] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  but ubuntu uses grub.
[14:24] <jbroome> apparently not on his machine
[14:24] <spiniker> yeah, i am using ubuntu
[14:24] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try gksu gedit
[14:24] <dany_21a> under certain events it may install lilo (xfs on /boot eg)
[14:24] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  lol
[14:24] <kahrytan> dany_21a->  i didnt know that
[14:24] <spiniker> still blank document
[14:25] <kahrytan> spiniker->  you use grub?
[14:25] <spiniker> yup..
[14:25] <spiniker> gksudo grub you mean?
[14:25] <kahrytan> does menu.lst file exist?
[14:26] <spiniker> i dont really know where to look it up..sorry
[14:26] <kahrytan> use nautilus .. /boot/grub
[14:27] <jbroome> ls /boot/grub/menu.*
[14:27] <kahrytan> or jbroome idea
[14:27] <bazhang> spiniker: this is ubuntu or ubuntu-based
[14:28] <amortvigil> hey what programs do i need to burn nrg files?
[14:28] <spiniker> i did try gksudo gedit/boot/grub/menu.lst  it says bash: my password:command not found
[14:29] <jbroome> amortvigil: looks like nrg2iso will convert for you
[14:29] <Kano> amortvigil: how about installing  nero for linux?
[14:29] <kahrytan> spiniker-> gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:29] <kahrytan> spiniker->  space between gedit and path ?
[14:29] <amortvigil> jbroome thanx it works fine :)\
[14:30] <jbroome> amortvigil: i did an 'apt-cache search nrg' to find that
[14:30] <kahrytan> gedit is the command, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the path to file.
[14:30] <jaffarkelshac> anyone installed lightscribe? i got the deb from lightscribe.com but when i install i cant find where it is
[14:30] <spiniker> got it..
[14:31] <spiniker> i guess the space was the problem..thanks
[14:31] <kahrytan> spiniker->  d'oh moment eh?
[14:31] <spiniker> yeah..i know..
[14:31] <spiniker> :)
[14:32] <kahrytan> spiniker->  try troubleshooting more..
[14:32] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: type lightscribe in terminal to start it up. probably does not add an entry to the menu though
[14:32] <spiniker> thanks,
[14:32] <spiniker> yeah i guess i ought to anti up the reading more
[14:33] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that nothing,  command not found
[14:33] <spiniker> wait which line should i change?
[14:33] <W8TAH> hi folks: was using xchat latest last night on hardy heron dev release - along with pidgin in the gnome desktop everytime i tried to dcc recieve it crashed all of gnome and i had to reboot -- any ideas or suggestions?
[14:34] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys is there a way to set the primary monitor in the nvidia setting?
[14:34] <kahrytan> spiniker->  what?
[14:35] <kahrytan> spiniker->  what do you want to do
[14:35] <spiniker> the boot order,id like to change it..xp loads as default,since im not just the one using this pc
[14:36] <kahrytan> !grub
[14:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:37] <kahrytan> spiniker->  look for default h
[14:37] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: dpkg -s lightscribe what does that return?
[14:38] <jaffarkelshac> it returns details about the package lightsribe, install status which is ok IdleOne
[14:39] <spiniker> ok then?
[14:39] <spiniker> im looking at apcmag dual boot instructions
[14:40] <spiniker> it says i should change the default 0 to 4
[14:40] <spiniker> is that ok
[14:41] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys is there a way to set the primary monitor in the nvidia setting?
[14:41] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx?id=815 install this it should then work but I am not certain :/
[14:42] <jaffarkelshac> thats the package i have IdleOne, downloaded it twice but still nothing i will give up for the moment
[14:43] <IdleOne> read the note at the bottom
[14:43] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: install this http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx?id=814
[14:43] <kahrytan> oops i lost spiniker
[14:43] <IdleOne> need both those files
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> i have that as well
[14:43] <IdleOne> hmmm
[14:44] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: like I said I am not sure about this as I never used lightscribe and dont have the hardware to test
[14:44] <jaffarkelshac> its fine, thanks for the help anyway.
[14:45] <W8TAH> hi folks: was using xchat latest last night on hardy heron dev release - along with pidgin in the gnome desktop everytime i tried to dcc recieve it crashed all of gnome and i had to reboot -- any ideas or suggestions?
[14:45] <jaffarkelshac> my keyboard keeps changing layout when i restart. how do i nip this in the bud
[14:46] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: in terminal type LightScribe ( case sensitive )
[14:46] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  what layout?
[14:47] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  are you qwerty type or the modern devorak?
[14:47] <jaffarkelshac> nah IdleOne it just wont work.
[14:47] <IdleOne> jaffarkelshac: sorry ;/
[14:47] <jaffarkelshac> its qwerty
[14:48] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  and changing too?
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> its the symbols that change not the letters
[14:49] <kahrytan> see... now provide more details when asking for help
[14:49] <jaffarkelshac> i choose united kingdom default, everytime is fine, i restart and the symbols have all changed.
[14:51] <kahrytan> is  anyone having trouble accessing help.ubuntu.com?
[14:52] <jbroome> It is my dream that help.ubuntu.com has crashed because so many people were looking up their questions before asking here
[14:52] <jbroome> kahrytan: failed to connect for me
[14:55] <kahrytan> jbroome->  umm ubuntu server crashed/rebooted or updating?
[14:55] <jbroome> beats me
[14:55] <kahrytan> Oh crap ..3 days to go.
[14:56] <kahrytan> How fast days flies
[14:56] <W8TAH> help.ubuntu.com is up here for me
[14:56] <kahrytan> Now iti s
[14:56] <kahrytan> it wasnt before
[14:56] <W8TAH> ok
[14:56] <W8TAH> just trying to help
[14:57] <kahrytan> jbroome->  up for you?
[14:57] <jbroome> yup
[14:58] <kahrytan> Hiccup perhaps
[14:58] <kahrytan> Ubuntu Help pages needs a redesign
[14:58] <simion314> hi, my system frezed, i had to reboot. is a log somewhere to search the cause?
[14:59] <kahrytan> may the force lead you to /var/log , simion314
[15:00] <kahrytan> It may also lead you too Administration>System Logs
[15:00] <kahrytan> I can be funny sometimes
[15:02] <hwilde> funny sometimes, you can be
[15:06] <Miineti> sometimes..
[15:07] <jbroome> I'm still waiting. :)
[15:07]  * kahrytan doesnt even like star wars.
[15:09]  * Miineti gets her darth vader sword of pappemache, the neighbors kid gave her
[15:09]  * kahrytan is a trekker
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659139] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: host controller process error, something bad happened!
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659151] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: host controller halted, very bad!
[15:09] <DanaG> [ 3937.659181] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: HC died; cleaning up
[15:10] <DanaG> Happened last night..... and then my USB devices shut down.
[15:10] <kahrytan> DanaG->  did you look at logs?
[15:10] <kahrytan> DanaG->  Did you lloook at those logs last night?
[15:11]  * x1250 wants intrepid ibex
[15:11]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die
[15:11] <DanaG> Well, I went to bed, and came back to lack of internet.
[15:11]  * kahrytan sharpens a two edged sword
[15:11] <DanaG> I was using a USB ethernet adapter for the sake of testing.
[15:12] <DanaG> I guess it just can't handle doing torrents on the USB ethernet adapter.
[15:12] <topyli> kahrytan: oh noes. if vista dies, my lady will have no system and she'll ask for support!
[15:12] <kahrytan> topyli->  Then you get more one on one time?
[15:13] <DanaG> But then, if I leave my system torrenting while compiz is active, various things happen depending on what network adapter I'm using.
[15:13] <kahrytan> USB isnt really good for torrents anyhow
[15:13] <DanaG> Built-in e1000: complete hard-lockup of the system.
[15:14] <ghostcube> hi guys is this the place for kubuntu gutsy to hardy questions too ?
[15:14] <DanaG> Wireless iwl3945 -- seems to have no issues, but my dad is paranoid and insists on having wireless disabled.
[15:14] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  you mean kubuntu to ubuntu hardy?
[15:14] <ghostcube> kubuntu hardy rc1
[15:14] <ghostcube> ^
[15:15] <DanaG> Cardbus xirc2ps_cs: xorg locks up, and takes magic-sysrq to kill.... and then comes back in utterly-crap mode (seemingly completely unaccelerated).
[15:15] <_Lucretia_> has anybody got full 3D desktop with an ATi card (mines an X1950XT) and also has video and 3D working in a window as well as fullscreen? If so, can you paste your xorg.conf so I can compare with mine? Thanks.
[15:15] <x1250> DanaG: as I see on google, it might be hardware related, but It might be some nasty bug. Is the bug consistent?
[15:15] <kahrytan> I guess if there is no kubuntu+1 then i guess its yes
[15:15] <DanaG> USB 'pegasus' device: USB controller dies.
[15:15]  * kahrytan does allot of guessing ^
[15:16] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  realy question is .. KDE3 or KDe4?
[15:16] <ghostcube> heh no i meant to bring kubuntu gutsy to kubuntu hardy is there any known probs which are known
[15:16] <ghostcube> KDE3
[15:16]  * DanaG switches back to onboard.
[15:16] <DanaG> I think those are likely hardware issues.
[15:16] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  There is two releases this time and its not LTS i believe
[15:16] <DanaG> If I play HL2DM in Windows, online, with my onboard ethernet device:
[15:16] <DanaG> Hard-lockup!
[15:16] <kahrytan> is Kubuntu LTS this round?
[15:17] <x1250> Probably hardware related then, I guess
[15:17] <ghostcube> kahrytan: yes i know 18 months for cd1 kde3 and community for kde4  but i thought there were anny known issues maybe so i shouldnt upgrade to the new version but if not i would give it a try
[15:17] <ghostcube> :)
[15:17] <ghostcube> still on kde3 i dont like the kde4 for now
[15:17] <ghostcube> cause im fusion support so no need
[15:17] <ghostcube> :)
[15:17] <kahrytan> KDE4 is brand new .. probably why they opted for KDE3
[15:18] <DanaG> KDE4 is ugly to me.
[15:18] <kahrytan> Probably waiting for next version
[15:18] <ghostcube> i dont like the vista start menu they brought to it
[15:18] <DanaG> It's the only desktop environment I've ever seen that manages to make a 17" notebook feel like a 12" notebook.
[15:18] <ghostcube> but if u set all normal like on xp to 2000 it works fine
[15:18] <ghostcube> :D
[15:18] <kahrytan> ghostcube->  gonna have to get used to it eventually
[15:18] <ghostcube> hmm
[15:19] <kahrytan> KDE4 is like brand new OS.
[15:19] <kahrytan> oops operating environment
[15:19] <x1250> I like KDE4, but its too inmature right now. I used it as my only desktop from 3.96 till some weeks ago, on debian.
[15:20] <ghostcube> yes and therefore a bit buggy
[15:20] <DanaG> Heh, nearly 100% of the time, when I close Firefox 3, I force-quit it because it's too slow,
[15:20] <DanaG> .
[15:20] <kahrytan> Kubuntu 8.o4 w/ KDE3 is LTS?
[15:20] <ghostcube> yes afaik
[15:20] <ghostcube>  Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[15:20] <kahrytan> but not KDE4?
[15:20] <ghostcube> is from #kubuntu
[15:20] <kahrytan> I understand
[15:21] <jpatrick> kahrytan: no, neither will be
[15:21] <kahrytan> I  bet  by 9.04, KDE4 will be primary
[15:21] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  Niether?
[15:21] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  thats what i originally though
[15:21] <jpatrick> kahrytan: 8.10 will (hopefully) have KDE 4.1
[15:22] <kahrytan> thats why I said I bet by 9.04
[15:22] <Lynoure> Getting my mother to move to KDE4 will be interesting...
[15:22] <kahrytan> if not by 8.10, most likely 9.04
[15:22] <x1250> I bet for 9.04 also
[15:22] <kahrytan> It would depend on KDE people
[15:22] <DanaG> My parents are too stubborn to use anything but their Windows XP.
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG->  i feel your pain
[15:23] <DanaG> They've had their systems randomly "break" sometimes.
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG->  but its not XP, it's worse. Vista
[15:23] <DanaG> I've never had my Ubuntu system randomly break, in ways not brought on by myself (such as by using development versions).
[15:23] <ghostcube> is it true that there is no kcontrol in hardy kubuntu or is this only the kde4 version cause systemsettings are very painful
[15:23] <kahrytan> DanaG-> They say Vista is faster then ubuntu 7.10 *rolls eyes*
[15:24] <DanaG> Dad's nForce4 (with integrated video) motherboard has a lovely "feature" of causing random filesystem corruption, it seems.
[15:24] <kahrytan> DanaG->  it doesnt like ntfs?
[15:24] <DanaG> I think nvidia's hardware, or their drivers, are just crappy.
[15:25] <kahrytan> i wouldn't either .. defragging for hour or so.
[15:25] <kahrytan> What would you rather have -- hour or defrag or like minute of fschk ?
[15:25] <jpatrick> DanaG: I've successfully forced my family to use Ubuntu
[15:26] <x1250> jpatrick: my mother uses debian :)
[15:26] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  Im trying to do the same
[15:26] <kahrytan> My biggest issue I have to fight over is OSS for them.
[15:26] <kahrytan> OSS being bad for business and why should they trust OSS comunity  and security issues.
[15:27] <kahrytan> ie.. Whats stopping some anonymous person from making security hole into it
[15:28] <savvas> kahrytan: a community that proof-reads anything before being imported :)
[15:28] <kahrytan> Anyone got good response to that
[15:30] <kahrytan> mybest answer is that software maintained  and monitored by dozens, hundreds of people at once. So slipping security hole into it would be hard or impossible to do.
[15:30] <savvas> what did i say? :P
[15:30] <kahrytan> And Companies do sell OSS software.
[15:31] <kahrytan> CDs dont have to contain the source either
[15:31] <kahrytan> (guessing)
[15:31] <kahrytan> CD has binary form  but customer can ask for Source code when requested.
[15:32] <kahrytan> am i right or wrong?
[15:34] <savvas> eh that's "monitored" free, not free :)
[15:34] <kahrytan> savvas->  huh?
[15:35] <savvas> asking for something means that you have to enable them to access the source code = monitoring
[15:35] <kahrytan> savvas-> i was following up  on bad for capitalism/business
[15:36] <savvas> oh ok :p
[15:36] <kahrytan> How can a business profit from the sale of OSS software?
[15:36] <kahrytan> and keep capitalism alive
[15:37] <savvas> well.. after several hundred thousands of free cds, i see canonical still alive :)
[15:37] <BalaamsMiracle> kahrytan: A business can make revenue on the support
[15:37] <kahrytan> though, OSS is Free in Freedom of Speech, not Free Software
[15:37] <savvas> or on a special "enterprise" version
[15:37] <kahrytan> by the definition, One can sell OSS software.
[15:38] <kahrytan> hence SUSE Linux.
[15:38] <kahrytan> It is OSS software but have to pay for it.
[15:38] <savvas> opensuse vs. suse :)
[15:39] <kahrytan> Wouldnt the source code for SUSE be available?
[15:39] <kahrytan> OpenSuse =! SUSE
[15:41] <kahrytan> i don't think it is possible to always include source on the cd. Software could be to large to fit both binary and souce. For example, games.
[15:42] <andyB> HI, I've got a recent problem with 8.04 ... I think it happened in the last few days of upgrades.   The audio volume has gone very low ( almost impossible to hear) .... checking the puleaudio meter it's showing high output .... but the output I can here is very low - any ideas ?
[15:42] <kahrytan> BalaamsMiracle->  How would you prorpose how a business can profit from OSS besides support?
[15:43] <LogicalDash> andyB: try right-clicking the volume manager on your toolbar and selecting Open Volume Control--often that sort of thing is caused by one of the various preamps being set too low
[15:44] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  DOUBLE click it
[15:44] <andyB> LogicalDash ... thanks - been through all of those and set them to max
[15:44] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  double click .. better
[15:44] <LogicalDash> andyB: are all of them displayed? try command line: alsamixer, it'll show *all* devices
[15:45] <LogicalDash> kahrytan, thanks
[15:45] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  didnt know that trick?
[15:45] <LogicalDash> kahrytan, ehhhh no
[15:46] <kahrytan> LogicalDash->  that shaves second or two off that one for ya
[15:46] <andyB> LogicalDash - checked via commandline - all at 100%
[15:46] <MikeCulver> I have 8.04 installed on a laptop in a dual boot config.  When starting 8.04 from a cold boot, everything is fine.  However, after resuming from suspend, I can no longer write to my ext3 part.  I can, however, read and write to my NTFS part.  How should I go about fixing this?
[15:46] <LogicalDash> andyB: sorry, that's about the extent of my expertise :-)
[15:46] <andyB> LogicalDash Thanks Anyway :)
[15:47] <nemo> memory lapse - what's the debian command to identify which package a file belongs to?
[15:47] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  sounds like ext3 is being remounted as read only.
[15:47] <LogicalDash> ﻿﻿Hey, in Gutsy I had a startup command, alltray thunderbird -na, that would put Thunderbird in my systray and have it alert me to new mail... now in Hardy, Thunderbird always opens a window, which I don't want it to do, and it seems to have a habit of randomly evaporating from the systray without killing the Thunderbird process, which for some reason causes pretty severe slowdown. Help?
[15:47] <nemo> need to figure out what to file a bug against
[15:48] <Pici> nemo: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[15:48] <nemo> thanks
[15:48] <kahrytan> Pici->  wow. i didnt know that and that is useful
[15:48] <nemo> hm. so wireless-tools
[15:48] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: I'm rather green to this.  Is there a script I should look at to fix this?
[15:48] <nemo> DanaG: my wireless problem is solved btw
[15:48] <Pici> Also: apt-file search /path/to/file  (but you need to install apt-file first, and the package need not be installed then)
[15:49] <kahrytan> MikeCulver-> sorry .. thinking outloud about your issue.
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: stupid stupid stupid bug.
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: you might have missed the first part due to disconnecting :)
[15:49] <andyB> Anyone else an expert ( not that it takes much to be more expert than me ) on pulseaudio and /or audio systems ?
[15:49] <kahrytan> Pici->  does hibernate umount drives?
[15:49] <DanaG> I missed whatever happened, because just after I switched to my onboard ethernet..... I got a hard lockup.
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217809 note the last couple of comments :)
[15:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[15:49] <nemo> DanaG: ouch :(
[15:50] <DanaG> My iwl3945 works fine for me.
[15:50] <treffer> hi, I've just replaced a vista home basic with ubuntu 8.04rc and had a problem with b43: the automagic install worked on the live cd but freezed the real install... is there a known bug? I can't provide too much information as it's not my notebook and not here
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: yep. so does mine *now*
[15:50] <DanaG> And then I booted... and had to fsck.
[15:50] <kahrytan> Pici->  Suspend umount patitions?
[15:50] <DanaG> ﻿Hmm, anybody else notice how far off-center (vertically) the progress bar is on the usplash theme?
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: flaw was not in the driver. there is a bug. it is just an idiotic one :)
[15:50] <DanaG> It bothers me.
[15:50] <Pici> kahrytan: I dont know, sorry.
[15:50] <DanaG> ﻿Try booting without 'quiet'
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: basically the reason one would do:  echo "don't forget to quote me"
[15:50] <nemo> DanaG: clearly someone is not passing "  "  to iwconfig
[15:51] <kahrytan> Pici->  MikeCulver problem
[15:51] <nemo> DanaG: ubuntu will break if your passphrase has any quote marks or spaces
[15:51] <nemo> or possibly other special chars
[15:51] <nemo> DanaG: I should start an internet cafe with the passphrase ;rm -rf ~
[15:51] <nemo> or rm -rf /
[15:52] <MikeCulver> nemo: oh noes!
[15:52] <Pici> nemo: Please dont.
[15:52] <Pici> nemo: Please refrain from posting such commands here.
[15:52] <DanaG> how about 'cat /dev/urandom'
[15:52] <nemo> Pici: you think someone in #ubuntu+1 wouldn't know what rm -rf does??
[15:52] <nemo> erm. sorry then.
[15:53] <nemo> people. don't execute random commands you don't know what they do without any context.
[15:53] <Pici> nemo: There are many people here who I dont think should be running Hardy, so yes.
[15:53] <kahrytan> nemo-> new people do use Ubuntu
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: and found #ubuntu+1 ...
[15:53] <Pici> Yes.
[15:53] <MikeCulver> nemo: Actually, I have only a vague understanding... but it sounds like a recursive remove
[15:53] <kahrytan> Pici->  but I know better about that.
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: so. they use ubuntu, and irc, and beta/alpha software and have no clue about the cli  :)
[15:53] <nemo> kahrytan: yeah. they're screwed.
[15:54] <kahrytan> Hardy isnt Beta any longer though
[15:54] <nemo> kahrytan: still beta for 3 days
[15:54] <Pici> Its not released either.
[15:54] <kahrytan> Release Candidate
[15:54] <nemo> oh really.
[15:54] <nemo> ok. fine.
[15:54] <nemo> of course, I didn't say it was a command
[15:54] <nemo> so they'd also have to be executing random bits of conversation in IRC :)
[15:54] <kahrytan> Ubuntu 8.03 Release Candidate... Meaning ..we think it's ready but not sure. Mind testing it out for us?
[15:55] <kahrytan> *.04
[15:55] <kahrytan> oops
[15:55] <nemo> anyway. is a legitimate flaw in the tool.
[15:55] <MikeCulver> Anyway... After resume, a filesystem is no longer writeable that was writeable.  What could cause this?
[15:55] <nemo> as soon as I figure out where to put it, going to write it up properly
[15:55] <nemo> MikeCulver: needs an fsck probably.
[15:55] <MikeCulver> Does suspend actually umount the fs?
[15:55] <MikeCulver> hm
[15:55] <MikeCulver> I've done one, but same results
[15:55] <nemo> MikeCulver: your suspend wasn't clean I guess.
[15:55] <DanaG> Anybody else notice the ugly offcenter progress-bar in the usplash?
[15:56] <jbroome> no
[15:56] <MikeCulver> DanaG: No.
[15:57] <MikeCulver> nemo: This is a consistent problem.  It's not just a thing that happens sometimes or under certain conditions... at least it happens under all conditions the system works in.
[15:57] <kahrytan> DanaG->  no but  i try to ignore it since hwinfo says  my hardware doesnt support widescreen, which is a lie.
[15:58] <MikeCulver> Is there a script that handles the filesystem after resume that could cause this?
[15:58] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  check your logs.
[15:59]  * nemo nods
[15:59] <nemo> MikeCulver: there could be something damaged on your disc - or your swap partition since that is where you are probably resuming from
[15:59] <kahrytan> nemo->  agreeing?
[15:59] <nemo> kahrytan: yep :)
[15:59] <nemo> kahrytan: say, if you boot off a CD, does that screw with resume?
[16:00] <DanaG> I mean this:
[16:00] <kahrytan> nemo-> I wouldnt know
[16:00] <DanaG> the progress bar is not centered between the logo and the textbox.
[16:00] <MikeCulver> which logs?
[16:00] <DanaG> That's regardless of harware.
[16:00] <kahrytan> DanaG-> I dont like Usplash for Ubuntu
[16:00] <kahrytan> MikeCulver-> System Logs.
[16:01] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would use fbsplash.
[16:01] <kahrytan> DanaG-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png
[16:01] <kahrytan> DanaG-> My GDM and usplash have similar images as wallpaper
[16:02] <MikeCulver> ah... all of them then
[16:02] <MikeCulver> i'll get reading.
[16:02] <DanaG> Ooh, red.  Interesting.
[16:02] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  Device related logs
[16:03] <kahrytan> DanaG->  there is other colors.
[16:03] <kahrytan> DanaG-> Blue, Green, Orange.
[16:03] <kahrytan> http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160&PHPSESSID=faf7d5f6c38a87bd97bc64556d3f6a2d
[16:04] <W8TAH> ran into a problem last night -- i was using pidgin, and xchat on hardy RC, a friend tried to dcc me a document, and upon receipt, my screen and keybaord locked -- could not ctrl alt backspace, could not switch to a different console, could not ctrl alt delete, nothing -- i could hear alerts from messages (both in pidgin and xchat) arriving but no change on the screen paint - -any ideas???
[16:04] <DanaG> Coloring looks bad on 16-bit.
[16:04] <kahrytan> If they make black one.. it might fit well in Hardy release.
[16:05] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> Translation: nautilus or gnome locked up on you
[16:06] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  did you try Ctrl-Alt-Backspace?
[16:06] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: there isn't anything obvious complaining about a problem.  All the procedure in the resume talking about "sda" says either succedded or good, etc.
[16:07] <kahrytan> MikeCulver-> I can't really help .. but i am interested in the solution.
[16:07] <DanaG> alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg often works even when ctrl-alt-backspace does not.
[16:08] <MikeCulver> kahrytan: thanks for your help thusfar
[16:08] <DanaG> Argh, what is this pdflush that keeps abusing my hard drive?
[16:08] <kahrytan> MikeCulver->  but try troubleshooting..
[16:09] <ampex> does 8.04 have no inittab?
[16:09] <W8TAH> kahrytan: i THINK gnome locked
[16:09] <W8TAH> and yes - -repeatedly
[16:10] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  ctrl-alt-backspace terminates X
[16:11] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> and thus logs you out. and terminates anything that needs x.
[16:11] <W8TAH> kahrytan: yes, i know this - it didnt work - -no input was being accepted from the keyboard
[16:12] <W8TAH> kahrytan: yes - ive used it on many occasions
[16:12] <^^malajenho^> hi everyone
[16:12] <^^malajenho^> I've updated my gutsy gibbon to hardy heron, but now when I try to login, it doesn't start session, anyone has the same problem ?
[16:12] <kahrytan> W8TAH-> what did you try to figure it out
[16:13] <W8TAH> i tried switching to an alternate console to kill the xchat process - -
[16:13] <W8TAH> no luck
[16:13] <kahrytan> ^^malajenho^->  aw... i heard that one .. before.. someone will know
[16:13] <Miineti> ciao
[16:13] <W8TAH> i tried ctrl alt backspace -- no luck
[16:13] <W8TAH> the mouse would move
[16:13] <W8TAH> but couldnt affect the screen at all beyond that
[16:13] <W8TAH> clicking to close windows did not bring up the offer to wait or force quit box
[16:13] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  look at logs?
[16:14] <W8TAH> what program do i look at?
[16:14] <W8TAH> xchat,
[16:14] <W8TAH> pidgin
[16:14] <W8TAH> 'nautalus
[16:14] <W8TAH> x
[16:14] <W8TAH> ????
[16:14] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  Its amazing the stuff you learn if you troubleshoot
[16:15] <W8TAH> im not disputing that either -- i am asking for a bit of help in knowing where to begin
[16:15] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  look at System Logs applet
[16:15] <andyB> W8TAH;  I had a similar thing a couple of days ago - unfortunately I couldn't see anything in the logs ( seemed to lock apart from the mouse moving )
[16:16] <kahrytan> Andy80->  D'oh
[16:16] <Andy80> kahrytan: tell me
[16:16] <W8TAH> kahrytan: ok - that makes sense -- for which program? -- i dont have hours and hours to read the entire log for all installed software --
[16:16] <kahrytan> Andy80->  oops..other andy
[16:16] <DanaG> W8TAH: remember alt-sysrq-k -- it should work even if ctrl-alt-del does not.
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> W8TAH: yep... my freind is having that problem as well.... its related to selecting items on the taskbar
[16:16] <Andy80> ok :)
[16:17] <kahrytan> andyB-> You have wonderfully timing
[16:17] <W8TAH> DanaG: sysrq?
[16:17] <W8TAH> nosrednaekim: i didnt touch anything in teh task bar at all
[16:17] <andyB> Kahrytan:  :)
[16:17] <kahrytan> andyB, W8TAH, and nosrednaekim's friend should have a troubleshoot party.
[16:17] <andyB> Party :) :)
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> :0
[16:18] <W8TAH> the trigger in each case was the attempted receipt of a dcc file
[16:18] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  in what program
[16:18] <W8TAH> xchat
[16:18] <andyB> not in my case - although I did have pidgin open
[16:19] <W8TAH> i had xchat and pidgin open using the gnome desktop - -fully updated (less than an hour before) hardy release candidate
[16:19] <W8TAH> im using the nvida driver
[16:19] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  soomething to do with xchat though
[16:19] <W8TAH> it was an xchat dcc receive when it yappened yes
[16:19] <W8TAH> xchat help told me to come here
[16:20] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  try duplicating it?
[16:20] <W8TAH> happened 3 times last night
[16:20] <kahrytan> w/o pidgin open
[16:20] <W8TAH> same circumstances in each case
[16:20] <W8TAH> oh
[16:20] <W8TAH> ok
[16:20] <kahrytan> Narrow it down
[16:21] <W8TAH> o
[16:21] <W8TAH> ok
[16:21] <W8TAH> thanks
[16:21] <kahrytan> Then once you find it, report it :-P and make work around
[16:21] <kahrytan> You know, the never end job of pre-release users.
[16:22] <kahrytan> DanaG->  like my red desktop?
[16:22] <W8TAH> kahrytan: im not a programmer - im a network admin --
[16:23] <W8TAH> i'll be glad to report, but im not able to program a resolution
[16:23] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  I want your paycheck.
[16:23] <W8TAH> in a private tuition supported chruch sponsored school
[16:23] <W8TAH> trust me - you dont want my paycheck
[16:23] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  a joke.
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  but it sounds like the money is a joke
[16:24] <_Lucretia_> I take it nobody has managed to get an ati card working with 3D desktop and playing gl apps/movies in windows?
[16:24] <_Lucretia_> :(
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  arent network admins paid nicely?
[16:24] <W8TAH> if i was here for the money i wouldnt be here
[16:24] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  You do it for the love of the job?
[16:25] <W8TAH> in church circles we call it ministry
[16:25] <W8TAH> in essence yes
[16:25] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  That too but no religion speak :-P
[16:26] <W8TAH> im the middleschool science and comptuer teacher, One man IT Shop -- director to tech, registrar, webmaster, DBA and Network Admin
[16:26] <W8TAH> lets say it keeps me hoppin
[16:26] <kahrytan> W8TAH->  Sounds fun
[16:26] <W8TAH> weve got about 110 workstations and 10 servers or so
[16:26] <mc-george> hey guys, anyone know of an ftp program that supports SSL encryption?
[16:26] <W8TAH> it is - i love it
[16:27] <W8TAH> mc-george: server or client?
[16:27] <nemo> mc-george: you mean sftp? :)
[16:27] <mc-george> its just to download from an ftp
[16:27] <W8TAH> id definatly try filezilla
[16:27] <kahrytan> gftp i think does
[16:27] <W8TAH> im not positive but thats a good starting point
[16:28] <nemo> I was just curious what he meant by SSL encryption
[16:28] <nemo> does FTP have a TLS spec?
[16:28] <W8TAH> thanks for the help folks - bbl
[16:28] <www2> hi all
[16:28] <nemo> or did he mean sftp over 22
[16:28] <www2> I heft today install ubuntu 8.04 AMD64 and after install a text 2 speechs under wine. i play some music and read some text in that progam but i get some error that the program can not accest alsa
[16:28] <primski> anyone has asus eee with hardy on ?
[16:28] <kahrytan> mc-george->  I did a simple google search on gftp and sftp... allot of results there
[16:29] <mc-george> kahrytan, installed gftp
[16:29] <www2> is this a bug in wine or alsa?
[16:29] <jbroome> filezilla is great
[16:30] <kahrytan> mc-george->  connect via SSH with gftp
[16:30] <mc-george> kahrytan, thank you =)
[16:31] <kahrytan> mc-george->  gftp is nice program
[16:31] <mc-george> kahrytan, I really appreciate your help
[16:32]  * x1250 wants intrepid ibex
[16:32] <kahrytan> jbroome->  I like gftp better
[16:32]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die.
[16:32]  * x1250 likes filezilla
[16:32] <jbroome> kahrytan: your opinion is different than mine. Obviously, you're wrong. :)
[16:32] <x1250> lol
[16:32] <kahrytan> !best
[16:32] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[16:33] <kahrytan> jbroome->  I choose not to argue.
[16:34] <kahrytan> Kinda reminds me of the old Mac vs PC days...
[16:34] <kahrytan> back before Steve Jobs took over Apple.
[16:35] <kahrytan> I just realized a one way for good transition period between GDM-> Desktop
[16:36] <kahrytan> Gnome Splash at fullscreen.
[16:36] <www2> Can some one tell me how to can run a text to speech program in wine and play music under amarok with alsa under 8.04 (AMD64/x68-64)?
[16:36] <kahrytan> but activate at login
[16:36] <jbroome> I think The Steve started apple with Woz
[16:36] <kahrytan> jbroome->  yeah .. and got kicked out.
[16:36] <kahrytan> jbroome->  and Apple bought his new company out.
[16:37] <x1250> www2: I don't think you can do that with alsa, maybe with pulseaudio...
[16:37] <kahrytan> jbroome->  did you know Apple owns subsidiaries?
[16:37] <papa_> hi i'm now on 804rc
[16:37] <papa_> looks nice
[16:37] <jbroome> kahrytan: I choose not to argue
[16:38] <papa_> you guys know how to enable proprietary 3d drivers?
[16:38] <kahrytan> jbroome->  Mind .. how am i wrong?
[16:38] <m1r> hello
[16:39] <m1r> i wonder where did that nice orange stripe went from left side of main menu ?
[16:40] <m1r> when i installed beta2 it was there , and after several upgrades , now is gone, is there any options to set it back ?
[16:40] <kahrytan> m1r->  Someone  higher up said they didnt like it?
[16:40] <kahrytan> Ubuntu Community perhaps
[16:40] <m1r> kahrytan: i see :/
[16:41] <kahrytan> people thats over Ubuntu Artwork team
[16:41] <Andy80> how can I rename the connection created with "Connect to server" in Ubuntu 8.04?
[16:41] <m1r> so is there a way to get it back ? :)
[16:41] <www2> x1250: it not working
[16:41] <x1250> m1r: it dissapear for ever, it seems
[16:41] <x1250> it was a bad call, orange stripe was awesome
[16:41] <kahrytan> x1250->  I just wish they would change the darn usplash screen
[16:41] <m1r> so that means i must look in beta for that option and try to get it back?
[16:41] <m1r> yes, orange stripe brought life to gnome menu
[16:42] <kahrytan> x1250->  or better ya, make firefox default start nicer.
[16:42] <x1250> I don't use usplash, I hate it (I'm a debian guy)
[16:42]  * kahrytan curses x1250 for enternity.. doomed to live debian lifestyle. 
[16:42] <kahrytan> ^joke
[16:42] <x1250> :-)
[16:43] <topyli> heh
[16:43] <topyli> so debian people hate usplash by definition? :)
[16:43] <x1250> its possible :)
[16:43] <m1r> so, does anyone know where that option could be hidden for that nice orange stripe ?
[16:43] <kahrytan> topyli->  I thought Debian hates Ubuntu users by definition?
[16:44] <topyli> no they don't
[16:44] <kahrytan> topyli->  or is thet exclusive to #Debian
[16:44] <x1250> naah
[16:44] <topyli> ubuntu is good for debian
[16:44] <x1250> yep
[16:44] <x1250> and debian for ubuntu
[16:44] <kahrytan> Not when Linspire switches from Debian to Ubuntu
[16:44] <x1250> they're like lovers
[16:44] <x1250> the make love every night
[16:44] <kahrytan> !sex
[16:44] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flame wars: war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, suicide are not for here. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy)
[16:44] <x1250> Oh, wait, I think I need some sex
[16:44] <Pici> !offtopic
[16:44] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[16:45] <m1r> and fight every day ? x1250 ?
[16:45] <x1250> :P
[16:45] <topyli> kahrytan: what does that have to do with anything? linspire is good for debian too
[16:45] <x1250> m1r: what fights?
[16:45] <kahrytan> topyli->  ubuntu seems to stealing Debian's thunder at times
[16:45] <x1250> I never fight ubuntu people
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> So if I'm running the RC, upgrading to final version is as simple as running aptitude dist-upgrade on the release date?
[16:45] <kahrytan> Debian community does allot of work and Ubuntu still needs them
[16:45] <Pici> yes.
[16:45] <Pici> Odd-rationale: Yes.
[16:45] <x1250> In fact I come here to give free support for ubuntu users (debian users dont need ubuntu support :)
[16:46] <kahrytan> Does Canonical fund Debian development?
[16:46] <topyli> there never was a "debian thunder", and no need for such
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> Pici: Thanks!
[16:46] <x1250> kahrytan: debian guys make the big work
[16:46] <x1250> withouth debian there would be no ubuntu
[16:46] <topyli> kahrytan: ubuntu development is debian development too
[16:46] <kahrytan> x1250->  hence my question, Does Canonical give funds to debian development
[16:46] <x1250> kahrytan: nope
[16:47] <x1250> or not that I know
[16:47] <kahrytan> I guess ubuntu improvements is imported into Debian ?
[16:47] <Pici> But even if they don't, we give stuff back to upstream
[16:47] <topyli> kahrytan: canonical funds ubuntu development, which is then used in debian proper when desired
[16:47] <kahrytan> Pici->  that answered my ques
[16:47] <kahrytan> Ubuntu does upstream as well as downstream
[16:48] <m1r> so guys , anyone know how to get that orange stripe back on main menu ?
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r->  why?
[16:48] <m1r> kahrytan: cause i like it very much, gives life to colorless menu
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r-> Sounds like it's a Theme issue.
[16:48] <topyli> kahrytan: ubuntu does encourage the creation of derivatives, if that's what you mean by downstream
[16:48] <kahrytan> m1r-> Look at the old packages for themes
[16:49] <m1r> thx kahrytan
[16:49] <_Rambaldi_> how can i change the color brown on every window to other colors
[16:49] <kahrytan> topyli->  by downstream, I mean Ubuntu imports Debian Sid etc etc
[16:49] <Pici> Thats upstream.
[16:49] <topyli> kahrytan: in that case, ubuntu _is_ downstream
[16:49] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  The force says try Human Looks theme at Gnome-Look.org
[16:50] <kahrytan> Pici-> or downstream form Debian point of view?
[16:50] <kahrytan> *from
[16:50] <Pici> Yes.
[16:50] <bipolar> Are there any special tools for preparing an ubuntu install for cloning?
[16:50] <kahrytan> Pici->  thats how i meant it
[16:50] <_Rambaldi_> i had a feeling i had to download theme, i thought there was a colour bar or something to change it kahrytan
[16:50] <kahrytan> Downstream from Debian, but then Upstream back to debian
[16:51] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  Human Look theme allows for use of Color tab in Appearance.
[16:51] <x1250> synchronization is one-way. Debian->ubuntu
[16:51] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Hardy-04_20_08.png <example
[16:52] <_Rambaldi_> thanks kahrytan
[16:53] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  I love the human looks theme
[16:53] <www2> i heft found my problem it is the compination of wine and pulsaudio
[16:54] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Humanlooks?content=73905
[16:55] <kahrytan> www2->  May I introduce you to launchpad.net ?
[16:56] <bipolar> everything changing to uuid's has made cloning an installation difficult.
[16:56] <mdfrostt> I'm using 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  the default network manager (network-monitor?) can see all available wireless networks, but I couldn't connect to any of them (whether they were WPA, WEP, or open).    I switched to Wicd, but I'm having the same problem (fails at "obtaining IP address).  Is this a problem with the intel 3945 or a beta os?  is there a workaround?
[16:58] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  get my link?
[16:58] <www2> then i post a bugreport.
[16:59] <_Rambaldi_> i did, but human link was already installed kahrytan
[16:59] <kahrytan> www2-> and make sure wine dev know about it
[16:59] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> like my screenshot?
[17:00] <www2> i hef read on the wine site about this problem.
[17:00] <_Rambaldi_> under appearance the i can customise it but not the brown titile bar kahrytan
[17:01] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  You customize the theme, colors tab
[17:01] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  change controls to humanlooks
[17:02] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> Under colors, its Selected Items, left color
[17:03] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> got it?
[17:03] <cube> yep
[17:03] <kahrytan> cube->  What?
[17:03] <cube> 3 more days
[17:03] <kahrytan> cube->  tick tock ...
[17:04] <cube> yep
[17:04]  * kahrytan wants Vista to die in 3 days.
[17:04] <www2> And i think that the problem lie's in the alsa wraper of puse audio.
[17:04]  * kahrytan sharpens two edged sword
[17:04] <_Rambaldi_> that only as suggested only changes the color of the selected items. the color i want to change is the color on top of windows (where min max close) kahrytan
[17:04] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_-> Again, the color you want to change is Selected Items.
[17:04] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  that changes the title bar color
[17:05] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  Also menu selections elsewhere too.
[17:05] <^^malajenho^> hi everyone
[17:05] <^^malajenho^> I've updated my gutsy gibbon to hardy heron, but now when I try to login, it doesn't start session, anyone has the same problem ?
[17:05] <cube> is the release candidate the same as whats gonna be available in 3 days
[17:06] <kahrytan> cube->  with side effects.. but will silently upgraded to final  next the 3 days.
[17:06] <cube> so same thing with my beta i have?
[17:07] <Lamego> if you are getting the upgrades, you are at the RC level
[17:07] <cube> thanks
[17:07] <Pici> !final
[17:07] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:07] <kahrytan> cube->  Mark Shuttleworth uses it on his main laptop...
[17:07] <afallenhope> heyy.. is there a reason why after I uninstall something from wine it still shows up in the  start menu?
[17:08] <cube> yep  0 new packages
[17:08] <cube> cool thanks guys
[17:08] <kahrytan> I read that in his blog or somewhere where he said it
[17:08] <danny> afallenhope: It did that to me, but I had to go through the menu editor to get rid of the stuff it left. :/
[17:08] <afallenhope> danny: where's the menu editor lol
[17:09] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  that happened to me in Gutsy
[17:09] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  right click main menu for editor
[17:09] <afallenhope> yeah I'm running Hardy Heron
[17:09] <nibsa1242b> How are HH RC installs/ upgrades going? Any major issues? I'm trying to figure out if I should install now or wait.
[17:10] <jbroome> unless you've got some really freaky HW, i think you'd be ok
[17:10] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  On my old system, Clean install went nicely
[17:10] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  by old, I mean old 478 socket w/ sis chipset
[17:10] <afallenhope> kahrytan: yeah I did that but there's only one thing I want to remove from the wine menu
[17:10] <kahrytan> Where is the menu dir?
[17:11] <danny> afallenhope Click the wine subcat, then uncheck wwhat you want to removee
[17:11] <afallenhope> haha didn't see that
[17:11] <afallenhope> thanks
[17:11] <danny> :]
[17:11] <mdfrostt> I'm using 8.04 on a dell inspiron e1705.  the default network manager (network-monitor?) can see all available wireless networks, but I couldn't connect to any of them (whether they were WPA, WEP, or open).    I switched to Wicd, but I'm having the same problem (fails at "obtaining IP address).  Is this a problem with the intel 3945 or a RC os?  Is there a workaround?
[17:12] <dottedmag> Is there rsync server or xdelta files for upgrading Ubuntu CD images?
[17:12] <kahrytan> danny->  that doesnt remove it though. Hides it.
[17:13] <afallenhope> yeah was gonna say.. it only hid it.. I want to remove it
[17:13] <nibsa1242b> jbroome: kahrytan I've got some HW that tends to be moderately uncooperative, upgrading to 7.10 required me to spend two days chrooting to fix a broken install; 6.06 required me to use the alternate install cd b/c of graphics issues... I guess I'll try out the live cd for now
[17:14] <afallenhope> I uninstalled it... just still in the menu
[17:14] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  then I guess clean install is your best bet?
[17:14] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  just put /home on separate partition
[17:14] <nibsa1242b> kahrytan: yeah, I've already got a sep part for /home
[17:15] <kahrytan> nibsa1242b->  then no biggie on clean
[17:15] <_Rambaldi_> kahrytan, my laptop was being naugty, it was not changing when i selected different coulours i restarted and now the color change is imediate. thanks kahrytan
[17:16] <afallenhope> kahrytan: do you know how to remove it completely?
[17:16] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  did that to me.
[17:16] <kahrytan> _Rambaldi_->  logout fixed it
[17:16] <edugonch> Hello, How can I install the java plugin I have 8.04 in AMD 64 and firefox 3
[17:16] <nibsa1242b> kahrytan: and /var and lots of other sep parts for that matter... (nothing like having log files fill up your drive to make it unbootable to make you understand to make /var its own partition)
[17:17] <hwilde> when I do an lsmod, I see modules wlan, wlan_scan_status, wlan_wep,    how do I find what packages provide these modules?
[17:18] <_Lucretia_> well, however much I like the 3D desktop stuff, I think i'll stick to 2D so that the GL & movies work in windows.
[17:18] <_Lucretia_> arse
[17:19] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> I feel the force saying look at /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
[17:19] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  force also says backups....
[17:19] <hwilde> cmon this should be an easy question everyone should be ! at me
[17:19] <hwilde> where is the mapping between modules and packages?
[17:20] <kahrytan> Pici said you can find a package relateing to file.
[17:20] <hwilde> !find wlan_wep
[17:20] <ubotu> No packages matching 'wlan_wep' could be found
[17:20] <kahrytan> dpkg blah blah
[17:20] <hwilde> !find pcmcia_core
[17:20] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pcmcia_core' could be found
[17:21] <kahrytan> hwilde-> Apr 21 04:47:58 <Pici>	nemo: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[17:21] <kahrytan> hwilde->  maybe that will help?
[17:22] <hwilde> hmmm
[17:22] <hwilde> that works
[17:23] <kahrytan> hwilde-> pici gets the credit
[17:23] <Pici> and the pings to my name....
[17:23] <kahrytan> lol
[17:23] <hwilde> dmesg says:   [251334.389223] cs: pcmcia_socket1: cardbus cards are not supported.
[17:23] <hwilde> but I have pcmcia-cs installed
[17:24] <kahrytan> now pici gets to help
[17:24] <afallenhope> kahrytan: there was nothing in there
[17:24] <spiniker> hello
[17:24] <spiniker> again
[17:24] <hwilde> I also have pcmciautils installed
[17:24] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  there is wine.menu for me
[17:24] <spiniker> is there anyway that i could just let my awn applet stick on the desktop
[17:25] <kahrytan> spiniker->  the force is drawing a blank for me...
[17:25] <afallenhope> but there's app there
[17:25] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> what?
[17:25] <spiniker> i mean i would like it to stay in bar even if i close the program,the icon should still be there
[17:26] <kahrytan> You mean like quick lunch program?
[17:26] <spiniker> sorry kahrytan,promise once this query is done ill keep quite..
[17:26] <spiniker> :)
[17:26] <afallenhope> kahrytan: there's no programs in the xml file
[17:26]  * kahrytan doesnt use awn
[17:26] <pen> what is your favorite icon themes? type it out and share with others ;)
[17:27] <spiniker> i already know how to quick launch it..
[17:27] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  no wine.menu file?
[17:28] <spiniker> just make the icon stick at the bar,even after quitting the program
[17:28] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  and its not xml.
[17:28] <afallenhope> kahrytan: it's a .menu file however it's XML
[17:28] <afallenhope> lol
[17:28] <topyli> pen: human! :)
[17:28] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  Looks like it but falls menu.dtd specs.
[17:28] <pen> topyli: human series? cool
[17:29] <kahrytan> pen->  mac4lin icons
[17:29] <pen> kahrytan: I knew that one. cool
[17:29] <kahrytan> pen->  thats cuz i like the app icons
[17:30] <topyli> with my own lion-look i use the foxtrot icons
[17:30] <pen> have you guys heard of powered icon?
[17:30] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  try looking down .config in ~/user
[17:33] <topyli> custom desktop files are in ~/.local/share/applications
[17:34] <lintel> my TV-card for the cardbus causes "failed to initialize HAL". Is this still common?
[17:35] <kahrytan> topyli->  talkingabout Wine menu in Main Menu
[17:36] <kahrytan> linas->  It easier to get help if you say what card
[17:37] <mophead> is there an irc room for openofice.org?
[17:37] <Zambezi> Is it common that USB-keyboard won't work during boot? So you can't press ESC and change kernel. Cause I have 386 now and it's without sound, but generic works perfectly.
[17:37] <kahrytan> mophead-> did you goto openoffice site?
[17:38] <mophead> kahrytan: the site links to the room?  ok, my bad
[17:38] <Zambezi> mophead: I think so. #openoffice ?
[17:38] <kahrytan> mophead-> d'oh
[17:38] <mophead> found it, thanks!
[17:39] <kahrytan> mophead-> where?
[17:40] <mophead> #Openoffice.org
[17:40] <kahrytan> mophead->  found where?
[17:40] <afallenhope> okay I found out where the menu is... now it's in the menu in ubuntu *
[17:40] <kahrytan> mophead-> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC
[17:41] <topyli> afallenhope: where is it then?
[17:41] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> where
[17:42]  * kahrytan  is beaten by topyli  again
[17:42] <mophead> I went to #openoffice and it  had a link
[17:42] <kahrytan> mophead->  the link has other channels
[17:44] <Killeroid> hi, if anyone is wondering about how to install hardy heron on a usb drive, i wrote a tutorial here   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4759330#post4759330
[17:48] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  Throw me and topyli  a bone here.
[17:49]  * kahrytan starts gnawing at arms and leg bones...
[17:51] <kahrytan> !ping
[17:51] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[17:53] <kahrytan> Is anyone around?
[17:53] <jamal> Hi, is there any documentation on how to set up a secondary screen on Hardy? As I understand, you're not supposed to mess with xorg.conf with xrandr or something like that, is that correct?
[17:53] <piedoggie> I'm wondering what happened to open-vm-tools?
[17:54] <kahrytan> jamal->  try pluging in one and seewhat happens?
[17:54] <piedoggie> Trying to install 8.04 RC as a virtual machine and the virtual kernel has its own kernel modules which make the VM workstation Guest tools refuse to install
[17:54] <piedoggie> bug reports on this problem (as far back as 7.10) refer to this open-vm-tools as the long-term solution
[17:55] <jamal> kahrytan, Nothing happened when I plugged in the second monitor (I am on a Laptop)... After restarting, it has been detected and it clones the main screen.
[17:55] <jamal> Running the xrandr command only shows one screen though.
[17:55] <kahrytan> jamal->  you mean shows same screen on both monitors?
[17:55] <piedoggie> same screen on both monitors sounds like it's still controlled at the BIOS level
[17:55] <jamal> kahrytan, It currently is. I'd like it to be a secondary screen.
[17:56] <piedoggie> that's the mode you use when running a big screen display for a group
[17:56] <jamal> piedoggie, Its not the same screen, the second screen only shows output when X is running.
[17:56] <kahrytan> jamal->  I miss those days... run the cursor across thedesktop
[17:56] <piedoggie> there should be a mode switch on your keyboard and one of those modes might put you in two screen mode
[17:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Hello, I'm having a problem with DVD playback. I get the message "Could not read from resource" when I try to play my DVD. I've already run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh, but this did not fix the problem.
[17:57] <jamal> piedoggie, The mode switch just makes the second screen flicker.
[17:57] <doodoo> do you guys know if final 8.04 will support the wireless cards that come with xps 1330 (dell 1505. manuf. Broadcom)
[17:58] <jamal> kahrytan, Run the cursor across it? ... I don't understand what you are telling me to do.
[17:58] <kahrytan> jamal->  by desktop, i mean physical one.
[17:58] <jamal> doodoo, I'm running on a laptop with a Broadcom wifi card. It works ... okay.
[17:58] <kahrytan> jamal->  I had dual monitors once upon a time
[17:58] <piedoggie> one of the modes should turn Off the second screen
[17:58] <jamal> piedoggie, I understand what you mean but it isn't
[17:59] <doodoo> jamal, does ubuntu detect it automatically or did you have to install the drivers manually ?
[17:59] <piedoggie> did you ever try the multiscreen under Windows?
[17:59] <kahrytan> jamal->  you might have to xorg it out
[17:59] <jamal> doodoo, Detected automatically but I had to install the firmware manually.
[17:59] <jamal> doodoo, If it doesn't work, run the command "dmesg" in terminal and you should see a link there.
[17:59] <jamal> kahrytan, Alright, I'll try that. I wasn't usre if I'm supposed to mess with it.
[18:00] <kahrytan> oh wait
[18:00] <piedoggie> well, I need to get back to sully my virtual machine problems.  I have already wasted two days on it and it's a bit frustrating
[18:00] <piedoggie> to solving my...
[18:01] <Comp_tech_lksd> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 RC on a Lenovo T60 laptop that has a finger print reader, I upgraded from 7.10, under 7.10 if I typed my username it would then pop up to scan my fingerprint for my password, under 8.04 after I type in my username and press enter the window manager restarts and takes me back to the login screen... anyone have an idea how I can fix it and logon?  If I boot to a terminal or switch to one I can logon fin
[18:01] <kahrytan> I wish i had second monitor
[18:03] <doodoo> so does anyone know if hardy heron will support wireless drivers from xps 1330? (dell 1505 - broadcom manfu)
[18:03] <kahrytan> Shoot, i had jamals help already
[18:04] <shirish> hi guys, I got a usb thumbdrive which has two partitions, how do I format it?
[18:05] <kahrytan> shirish->  Didn't you get the message from the force?
[18:05] <shirish> kahrytan: what force?
[18:06] <doodoo> so does anyone know if hardy heron will support wireless drivers from xps 1330? (dell 1505 - broadcom manfu)
[18:06] <kahrytan> shirish->  it's asking you tried gparted?
[18:06] <shirish> kahrytan: nope, didn't try gparted.
[18:06] <kahrytan> shirish->  I am on this who Force thing tonight (star wars)
[18:07] <kahrytan> shirish-> I keep responding in force this and that
[18:07] <shirish> kahrytan: thought as much, Obi wan ;)
[18:08] <kahrytan> that reminds me .. i need to try that program on hardy
[18:09] <shirish> kahrytan: this is strange, its reading only the ntfs partitions, and not the ext3 partitions at all :(
[18:09] <shirish> kahrytan: also didn't see the usb partitions as well :(
[18:10] <kahrytan> shirish-> gparted never seems to work for me period
[18:10] <shirish> kahrytan: it worked for me :)
[18:10] <kahrytan> It sits there .scanning
[18:10] <TuxOtaku> hey guys, question, are there a LOT of changes between the RC and the release version of Hardy coming out on Thursday?
[18:11] <kahrytan> scanning.. scanning... did the same in gutsy
[18:11] <kahrytan> oh wait.. works now
[18:12] <topyli> TuxOtaku: who knows? maybe some of the bugs will be fixed :)
[18:13] <kahrytan> oh crap
[18:13] <sroecker> TuxOtaku: see for yourself: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/date.html
[18:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Does Beta always have so many freakin updates?
[18:13] <kahrytan> and RC
[18:13] <TuxOtaku> topyli, got a link to a list of known bugs with the RC?
[18:13] <topyli> kahrytan: yes
[18:13] <kahrytan> 18 just poped up
[18:13] <topyli> TuxOtaku: no, but i bet launchpad does
[18:13] <kahrytan> topyli->  Feels like WIndows Update again
[18:14] <Pici> meh
[18:14] <kahrytan> oh wait .. not Windows Update. thats always bare.
[18:14] <CapaH> What types of major issues (if any) are there that should prevent me from getting the release?
[18:14] <kahrytan> So many bugs, so few updates for Windows.
[18:15] <kahrytan> Pici->  im poking fun of windows
[18:16] <Milos_SD> Hi, all... I think that there is a bug in amarok on Hardy... It is doing Update of collection every few minutes :S
[18:17] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Let me show  you  to my friend, Launchpad.net
[18:17] <Milos_SD> I don't know is that a bug or feature :D
[18:17] <kahrytan> shirish->  gparted worked for me on usb partitions
[18:17] <Milos_SD> so I want to ask you here :)
[18:18] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Ubuntu isn't Windows. Bugs are features.
[18:18] <shirish> kahrytan: same here, but if I try to allocate them into new ones, I'm not getting them. Dunno why
[18:18] <kahrytan> oops
[18:18] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Ubuntu isn't Windows. Bugs are not features.
[18:18] <kahrytan> I messed up that joke
[18:18] <mophead_> yup
[18:18] <Milos_SD> kahrytan, if you don't want to answer my question, don't write anything than
[18:18] <kahrytan> hey .. I havent slept all night
[18:18] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window. For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[18:19] <Lunks> How to make it show up?
[18:19] <Milos_SD> Yes, I know that bugs are not features :)
[18:19] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  then tell me what you done to duplicate/fix?
[18:19] <kahrytan> shirish->  I am glad gparted works now
[18:20] <kahrytan> shirish->  Did you delete old partitions?
[18:20] <Milos_SD> but maybe that is not a bug, maybe that is what they wanted to do :)
[18:21] <kahrytan> shirish->  then Allocate news one, then click Apply.
[18:21] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  like they have a mind of their own?
[18:22] <shirish> kahrytan: I did a stupid mistake, I didn't unmount the volumes from nautilus
[18:22] <kahrytan> Milos_SD->  Who should I call skynet is alive>
[18:22] <shirish> tht's why I had issues
[18:22] <kahrytan> shirish->  go ahead. say it. d'oh
[18:23] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window. For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[18:23] <Lunks> How to make it show up?
[18:23] <kahrytan> shirish->  thanks for reminding me of trying gparted
[18:23] <syke> hi
[18:23] <shirish> kahrytan: welcome, btw do you know how do I give names to them (labels)
[18:24] <syke> I've been having a problem on my amd64 hp pavilion laptop where flash apps (pandora) hang
[18:24] <syke> it seems that this is related to when my monitor dims due to the powersave mode I have it in
[18:24] <unenough> hi, i have major problems with wifi on my amd64  laptop
[18:24] <Lunks> help, help, help =D
[18:24] <syke> it also happens when powermanager is in dynamic mode as well
[18:24] <unenough> (atheros 5007EG)
[18:24] <afallenhope> okay sorry about that people I'm back went out for lunch. Okay..... in my wine menu it shows a file that I removed... it's in the menu editor
[18:24] <syke> can someone test this?
[18:24] <shirish> kahrytan: right now they're staring at me like 1.3 GB media and 698.2 MB media (2 paritions
[18:25] <afallenhope> like in the gnome menu editor it still shows but I deleted it.
[18:25] <kahrytan> afallenhope->  probably needs a refresh?
[18:25] <kahrytan> aka rebuild
[18:25] <afallenhope> kahrytan: and I do that.... by...
[18:25] <phoenix64> plz, anybody can tell me why ubuntu 8.04 completely locked my root account? sudo always fails (don't know why though), su fails because no password is set. Anything I can do without rebooting?
[18:26] <kahrytan> phoenix64-> check sys logs?
[18:26] <CapaH> If I install Hardy, as there are updates/bug fixes they will automatically download/install until the final release and then everything will be current right?
[18:26] <syke> capah: correct
[18:26] <CapaH> How do I do that?
[18:27] <kahrytan> phoenix64->  by log, i mean auth.loh
[18:27] <kahrytan> log
[18:27] <syke> you'll see the little udpate icon in your tray, click on it, enter your passwd, and the updates will download and isntall
[18:27] <phoenix64> well, "permission denied" ^^
[18:27] <syke> that is, ubuntu will let you know when there are updates
[18:27] <phoenix64> bbl, rebooting (livecd)
[18:28] <kahrytan> CapaH->  RC updates are delivered constantly and you get Final as they come.
[18:28] <CapaH> syke: Sorry, I mean -- how do I go to Hardy
[18:28] <syke> oh
[18:28] <CapaH> switch from Feisty to Hardy
[18:28] <kahrytan> !upgrade
[18:28] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:28] <CapaH> cool thanks
[18:28] <kahrytan> !hardy
[18:28] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:28] <syke> capah: don't forget to back up your homedir first :)
[18:28] <CapaH> sorry -- Gutsy to Hardy
[18:28] <CapaH> and good idea syke
[18:28] <kahrytan> CapaH-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[18:29] <Pici> hoary, eh?
[18:29] <kahrytan> oops my bad
[18:29] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window. For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[18:29] <Pici> CapaH: /topic
[18:29] <Lunks> How to make it show up?
[18:29] <kahrytan> Pici->  where is that
[18:29] <Pici> kahrytan: /topic
[18:30]  * kahrytan slaps himself
[18:30] <phoenix64> ah,ok, found it, I broke the groups -.-
[18:31] <unenough> any hints on getting atheros wifi to work??
[18:31] <unenough> on a 64-bit system
[18:32] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04
[18:32] <kahrytan> PiCi, Do you think Vista is causing more people to look at alternatives?
[18:32] <Pici> kahrytan: It wouldnt surprise me
[18:33] <kahrytan> Pici->  Ill give it two years tops. When Xp support ends for good
[18:33] <bicyclist1> @kahrytan: well vista was my final push for a complete switch
[18:33] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  ditto
[18:33] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  but i dual boot with xp
[18:34] <bicyclist1> and my wife is now finally using her computer. in fact she likes ubuntu way more than xp
[18:34] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  I use xp for dvd authoring. i love ulead.
[18:34] <bicyclist1> kahrytan me too, the only thing still left to xp
[18:34] <atlef> i just showed vista over to a old and slow disk and let hardy take over
[18:34] <kahrytan> Yet another Ubuntu artivle ->http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7358483.stm
[18:34] <atlef> the new and fast disk
[18:35] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  You realized that Linux doesnt have good dvd author program yet?
[18:35] <almel> If someone has 10 minutes to help, can they please PM me. Im attempting to get ATI to work on the latest 8.04 RC
[18:36] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04
[18:36] <bicyclist1> true. kino is quiet ok, but i love the quick authorimg aspects of ulead
[18:36] <kahrytan> bicyclist-> and animated menus.
[18:36] <danny> err, i wish the del.icio.us toolbar worked with the new ff :[
[18:36] <bicyclist1> yes, thats always impressive for my friends
[18:37] <kahrytan> danny->  FF2 is atill available in repos
[18:37] <danny> eh, i like everything else, though.  i can't decide between downgrading or going without the toolbar. :/
[18:37] <kahrytan> danny->  niether is google stuff too btw
[18:38] <bicyclist1> well with the final version hopefully all the plugins will be made available too
[18:38] <kahrytan> bicyclist->  When FF3 is done, yet
[18:38] <kahrytan> yeeah
[18:40] <kingv> ok does any one know if xps 1330 wireless card by broadcom will be supported and automatically detected/installed by 8.04???
[18:41] <kingv> anyone? :S
[18:41] <kahrytan> kingv->  Try the live cd.
[18:42] <mattik> Hello, When I removed fglrx and I selected ati, I got white screen instead of gnome desktop with kubuntu-kdm4
[18:42] <kingv> 710 doesnt. but i havent tried beta or rc of 804
[18:42] <mattik> kdm-kde4 I mean
[18:42] <bicyclist1> kingv at least ndiswrapper should work....
[18:43] <kahrytan> kingv->  you know you want to. It's tempting you, drawing you ever so near.
[18:43] <kingv> bicyclist, thanks man
[18:43] <kingv> kahrytan, are you inviting me to a gangbang?
[18:44] <kahrytan> kingv->   now now. no need for that
[18:44] <syke> ok
[18:44] <syke> I entered my bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220317
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220317 in ubuntu "flash hangs when screen blanks on laptop with hardy" [Undecided,New]
[18:44] <kingv> kahrytan, it's ok. just tell me. :) i have friends to bring with
[18:45] <ompaul> kingv, please don't continue with that
[18:45] <kahrytan> kingv->  Keep it family friendly
[18:45] <mophead> !language | kingv
[18:45] <ubotu> kingv: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:45] <syke> if there's any info I can/should add to help debug, let me know
[18:45] <danny> haha :o
[18:45] <kingv> language? i have not said anything offensive ppl. take it easy and chill
[18:45] <mophead> I find it so odd that ubuntu only seems to want 18+ involved, yet wants to keep channels family friendly
[18:45] <mophead> kingv: I'm not offended.  I'm just warning you so you don't get in trouble
[18:46] <kingv> mophead, thanks man. but if i get in trouble for saying gangbang, mind as well put me in jail
[18:46] <ompaul> kingv, not open to debate please drop it now thank you
[18:47] <kahrytan> kingv, but the ubotu said family friendly channel
[18:47] <kingv> ompaul, u just jealous cuz you're not invited. /dropped
[18:47] <ompaul> edge push don't ;-)
[18:48] <topyli> edge pushing. ur doin it wrong
[18:48] <mophead> topyli: *rong, not wrong
[18:49] <topyli> hmm if i mistype rong, is that right or rong?
[18:49] <atlef> anyone using lastfm and rhythmbox. the song seems to come long before it actually changes
[18:49] <atlef> *the song info
[18:49] <topyli> atlef: last.fm knows more about your playlist than you do
[18:49] <mophead> topyli: cat macros have their own distinct language and spelling, so it would be "rong" not "wrong" ;)
[18:50] <kahrytan> atlef->  to latter, i dont see it
[18:50] <kahrytan> atlef->  you mean playing last.gm?
[18:50] <kahrytan> fm*
[18:50] <ompaul> atlef, it uses mysql as a backend I remember reading about them looking to hire mysql people
[18:50] <topyli> mophead: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/25/funny-pictures-constructive-feedback-ur-doin-it-wrong/
[18:51] <atlef> ompaul: thank you
[18:52] <ompaul> atlef, yw
[18:52] <mophead> topyli: that's funny, I could have sworn it was spelled "rong."  Anyway, we're way off topic.
[18:52] <atlef> skip does not work either, so i just installed lastfm and use that instead of the rhythmbox plugin
[18:52] <Assid> heya
[18:53] <danny> hi :]
[18:53] <atlef> amarok also had som issues with lastfm, they said it would be fixed in 1.5
[18:53] <Assid> so the carnage began yet?
[18:54] <ompaul> !hardy | Assid
[18:54] <ubotu> Assid: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:54] <danny> atlef: is there a way to love/tag tracks for last.fm in amarok?  i could never find one.  :/
[18:54] <atlef> yes
[18:54] <danny> how? :o
[18:54] <kahrytan> I couldnt get Rhythembox to play last.fm
[18:55] <atlef> danny: but never checked if they actually gets loved/banned
[18:55] <Assid> yeah i know. but knowing how many people out there want it BEFORE the next guy.. i wouldnt be surprised if its hectic already
[18:55] <ompaul> Assid, isntall the RC and sudo apt-get update = its as good as the next guy
[18:55] <atlef> danny: need to bee in context somrthing on the lefthand side
[18:56] <atlef> *bee *something
[18:56] <Assid> ompaul: true.. but if you were here for the last release.. or rather in the release party.. it was nuts.. everyone wanted the iso
[18:56] <atlef> *be
[18:56] <atlef> man, and i'm not even dyslectic
[18:57] <Pici> what about dyslexic?
[18:57] <atlef> right, see
[18:57] <atlef> tired maybe
[18:57] <ompaul> Assid, ehh been in this house since hardy heron
[18:57] <kahrytan> I upgraded to Hardy before release so I didnt have to get in line for release :-P
[18:57] <ompaul> kahrytan, its just a shorter line
[18:57] <ompaul> now get behind me ;-)
[18:57] <kahrytan> No
[18:58] <kahrytan> How about side by side?
[18:58] <ompaul> that will do
[18:58] <ompaul> sudo apt-get running shoes ;-)
[18:58] <ompaul> right I have gone too far off topic - better do something else
[18:58] <kahrytan> I never know update manager gets so crazy pre-release
[18:59] <kahrytan> I've seen about 26+ updates in 24 hours
[19:00] <kahrytan> I will still download Final ISO but I won't be running like crazy man forit
[19:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, you can expect to see a lot more coming up on a beta or release candidate
[19:00] <kahrytan> RC is up.
[19:00] <bicyclist1> kahrytan that is true , quiet a lot updates so close to release
[19:00] <kahrytan> it's RC->Final now
[19:00] <ompaul> kahrytan, yeah, but in terms of churn on the way
[19:01] <kahrytan> You mean.. allot more updates to come?
[19:01] <mophead> kahrytan: at least you get updates!  My sda2 partition is too small to update anything, until I back up all my data, resize the partitions, and then put all the date back on the computer
[19:01] <mophead> data^
[19:01] <kahrytan> Should I just set it to automatically update?
[19:02] <mnemo> did the 2.6.25 kernel roll out as a hardy package yet?
[19:02] <kahrytan> I got it to download by default.
[19:02] <Pici> mnemo: no, and it wont
[19:02] <mnemo> pici: hmm ok
[19:02] <kahrytan> Pici->  you saw that second one coming.
[19:02] <Pici> kahrytan: indeed
[19:03] <kahrytan> Pici->  can you predict next lottery numbers for me?
[19:03] <Pici> kahrytan: not reliably
[19:03] <kahrytan> darn
[19:03] <unenough> i'm sure it will involve one of the digits, 0-9
[19:03] <mnemo> basically, I had sound working all through hardy but then just a couple of days ago I got this 2.6.14-16 kernel which tells me I ain't got my soundcard at all?
[19:04] <_Lucretia_> is there an option for a hw mouse cursor for fglrx? I have enabled compiz, but playing gl apps or movies in a window produces massive flickering. if I go fullscreen for the movies it works until I move the mouse which results in bad flickering.
[19:04] <_Lucretia_> ta
[19:05] <Sonja> i get no sound in most appz.
[19:06] <cvd-pr> how the hell i unistall the VitualBox.sh? apt-get remove VirtualBox = E: Couldn't find package VirtualBox
[19:07] <cvd-pr> but the command to run it is VirtualBox
[19:07] <kahrytan> cvd-pr-> use the package name
[19:07] <Flannel> cvd-pr: When you install stuff that isn't a package, you can't remove it like a package
[19:08] <lumm> isnt package name virtualbox-ose?:P
[19:08] <kahrytan> Hello Flannel
[19:08] <cvd-pr> VirtualBox_1.5.6-1_Linux_x86.run
[19:09] <Flannel> Howdy kahrytan
[19:09] <cvd-pr> how i unistall that?
[19:09] <Flannel> cvd-pr: right, that's not a package.  Depending on how the run file is setup, it may or may not be easy to remove, you'll have to consult whatever documentation came with it
[19:09] <cvd-pr> nothing
[19:10] <Flannel> cvd-pr: How about documentation on the website you got it from?
[19:10] <wastrel> is compiz still going to be crashy in the release?
[19:10] <wastrel> :]
[19:11] <atlef> cvd-pr: the one in synaptic is 1.5.6
[19:11] <kahrytan> cvd-pr->  its referencing gutsy but here http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=18749
[19:11] <kahrytan> the VirtualBox Guest Additions installation script does not provide that functio at the moment. But you can deactivate the additions. Just be sure that all vboxadd* modules will not be loaded during startup, and remove vboxvideo and vboxmouse from your X configuration.
[19:11] <dhq> how do i update to hardy
[19:12] <mophead> !upgrade
[19:12] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[19:12] <kahrytan> dhq->  pici says /topic
[19:12] <dhq> ok
[19:12] <Sharpie> when i have a media player running, i don't have any sound when i try playing flash videos (let's say on youtube). to get sound working i have to stop the media player and restart firefox. any solution to that?
[19:12] <kahrytan> mophead->  remember .. /topic
[19:12] <Pici> kahrytan: no need to put my name in everything, it pings me and I think that I'm really needed in the channel
[19:13] <kahrytan> Pici->  am i annoying you. sorry.
[19:13] <mophead> kahrytan: hmm?
[19:13] <kahrytan> mophead->  upgrade method is in topic.
[19:13] <mophead> oh, hey, whaddaya know
[19:14] <kahrytan> mophead->  If it was a snake, it would have bitten us by now.
[19:15] <osmosis> the icon for xchat-gnome is broken after first installing, but is fine after a reboot.
[19:15] <osmosis> it was this way in gutsy, and appears the same in hardy.
[19:16] <kahrytan> osmosis->  try logout/login?
[19:16] <Sharpie> kahrytan: best. tip. ever.
[19:16] <osmosis> kahrytan: not specifically, but that may have worked too.
[19:16] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  saves time :)
[19:17] <kahrytan> I bet reloading nautilus might work?
[19:18] <Sharpie> use irssi
[19:18] <kahrytan> bah CLI.
[19:19] <kahrytan> CLI is like a disease to me
[19:19] <Sharpie> when i have a media player running, i don't have any sound when i try playing flash videos (let's say on youtube). to get sound working i have to stop the media player and restart firefox. any solution to that?
[19:20] <atlef> !pulse
[19:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:20] <atlef> !pulseaudio
[19:20] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[19:20] <mophead> Sharpie: I'm not sure what the solution is, but I did see a page on it today - try googling something like "flash and media player simultaneously" or something
[19:22] <crimsun> Sharpie: is libflashsupport installed?
[19:22] <Sharpie> just installed it, yup it fixed it
[19:22] <Sharpie> probably the simplest and weirdest solution to any problem ever
[19:22] <crimsun> be aware that libflashsupport may expose a lot of instability in Firefox
[19:23] <crimsun> that's why it's no longer a dependency of flashplugin-nonfree
[19:23] <mophead> crimsun: what do you mean?
[19:23] <crimsun> (bug 192888)
[19:23] <DanaG> Do the nspluginwrapper thing.
[19:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:23] <Sharpie> i don't think the ubuntu firefox can get more unstable than it already is
[19:23] <DanaG> Crashing every 3 YouTube pages... that's what.
[19:23] <atlef> crimsun: thank you for that tip
[19:23] <_Lucretia_> Sharpie: I've not had any problems with FF, but my gutsy install, the FF was uber-crap
[19:24] <mophead> DanaG: I hear you.  youtube is hopeless for me right now
[19:24] <Sharpie> _Lucretia_: yup
[19:24] <kahrytan> crimsun->  thats ff3 or ff2?
[19:24] <DanaG> Do the libflashsupport thing mentioned in that report.
[19:24] <Sharpie> my firefox crashed 600mbs into a 690 mb download :P
[19:24] <crimsun> kahrytan: it doesn't matter.
[19:24] <mnemo> interesting, I've actually never seen my FF3 crash on hardy
[19:24] <kahrytan> I dont use ff3
[19:24] <_Lucretia_> Sharpie: on gutsy, constant hangs, usually JS related
[19:24] <mophead> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[19:24] <mophead> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:24] <Sharpie> flash causes most of my problems
[19:24] <mophead> E: Directory '/var/log/apt/' missing
[19:24] <mophead> wha??
[19:25] <Sharpie> mophead: sudo mkdir -p /var/log/apt
[19:25] <Sharpie> :P
[19:25] <mophead> Sharpie: yay! thanks.  now it just says I don't have enoughs pace
[19:25]  * mophead sighs
[19:25] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  Now thats a good one
[19:26] <mnemo> Sharpie: haha =)
[19:26] <Sharpie> =p
[19:27] <kahrytan> Sharpie->  that is the best.tip.ever
[19:28] <Sharpie> well it did solve the problem, kinda
[19:28] <mophead> yeah, it did
[19:28] <hwilde> it solved that specific symptom, probably not the underlying problem
[19:29] <doofy_> anyone know what the latest update to the bluetooth stack and bluez adds?
[19:29] <Sharpie> only the flying spaghetti monster knows how it got deleted in the first place
[19:29] <mnemo> i usually see like 16 modules when I do "lsmod | grep snd" but now I got this latest updates on hardy I get zero results back when I do "lsmod | grep snd" so where did all my modules go and how can I get them back?
[19:30] <kahrytan> mnemo->  they are hiding from you.  I see them fine here.
[19:30] <Arelis> Is there anyone here who is running the latest upgraded version of Hardy?
[19:30] <rsk> Arelis: i am
[19:30] <mnemo> Arelis: yes
[19:31] <kahrytan> Arelis->  Let me get back to you on that okay?
[19:31] <Arelis> How is it? How is the Firefox 3 Beta 5?
[19:31] <rsk> it's ok
[19:31] <Sharpie> Arelis: it's foxy
[19:31] <rsk> no problems
[19:31] <Arelis> i am running the Release Candidate right now (fresh install)
[19:31] <kahrytan> Arelis->  Limited Extension support.
[19:31] <darthanubis> bug 220327
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220327 in eggdrop "*** stack smashing detected ***: ./eggdrop terminated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220327
[19:31] <bicyclist2> arelis running hardy since the beta and i like it
[19:31] <bicyclist2> did an upgrade
[19:31] <DanaG> Dang, now I want soup.
[19:32] <kahrytan> DanaG->  go get some and share with the group
[19:32] <Sharpie> i did an upgrade which caused my graphics drivers to malfunction, so i had to format and reinstall =[
[19:32] <Milos_SD> Here Firefox 3 Beta 5 need few seconds to exit ... I don't know why, on Beta 3 it quit immediatly
[19:32] <DanaG> FF3 sucks at quitting.
[19:32] <DanaG> quit-﻿chug﻿chug﻿chugFORCEQUIT
[19:32] <kahrytan> Question: When FF3 is release, hardy gets final update?
[19:32] <bicyclist2> i have a problem with fspot not quitting
[19:32] <Sharpie> bicyclist2: kill it
[19:33] <crimsun> mnemo: dpkg -L linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)|awk '/snd().*ko/'|wc -l
[19:33] <bicyclist2> sure that works but that is not the way
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i expect it
[19:33] <kahrytan> bicyclis1->  run it in CLI and look for an error.
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i couldn
[19:33] <bicyclist2> i did but there was no error
[19:34] <Sharpie> bicyclist2: are you sure you're pressing the X button and not the minimize one?
[19:34] <crimsun> doofy_: it readds hidd and pand.
[19:34] <mnemo> crimsun: returns "160", what does that mean?
[19:34] <crimsun> mnemo: it means the modules certainly exist
[19:34] <bicyclist2> i am very sure, also tried exit from menu
[19:34] <crimsun> mnemo: now, `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]'
[19:34] <kahrytan> Does FF3 B5 get automatic update to FF3 full release?
[19:34] <mophead> Is there any way I can clear some space on my sda2, until I have a chance tor epartition?
[19:35] <mophead> I already did sudo apt-get clean
[19:35] <mdfrostt> how can a network manager see all available wireless networks but not be able to connect to any of them (whether they be WPA, WEP, or open)?  I've used both Hardy Heron's default network manager and Wicd, but they both fail on obtaining an IP address.
[19:35] <bicyclist2> mophead you could check for large files you no longer need
[19:35] <DanaG> stupid baobab: doesn't show files!
[19:35] <mophead> I don't know which ones I need, though
[19:35] <DanaG> I use filelight instead.
[19:35] <bicyclist2> i had quiet some archives
[19:36] <doofy_> crimsun, im trying to get a bluetooth earpiece to show up as an audio device. i get it connected, but it doesnt show up as an option in skype for audio
[19:36] <mnemo> crimsun: it returns: 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
[19:36] <mnemo> 	Subsystem: 103c:30cc
[19:36] <mophead> sda2 only has my OS and I beleive that's it
[19:37] <kahrytan> I guess no answer me :(
[19:37] <mophead> bicyclist2: my home folder is on a seperate partition
[19:37] <bicyclist2> hmm
[19:37] <crimsun> mnemo: what happens when you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel'?
[19:37] <Arelis> rsk, mnemo, kahrytan: When you guys open a terminal, is it's background light yellow?
[19:37] <DanaG> filelight!
[19:37] <DanaG> !info filelight
[19:37] <ubotu> filelight (source: filelight): show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 608 kB, installed size 1740 kB
[19:37] <rsk> it's black here Arelis
[19:37] <DanaG> I only use two KDE/QT apps:
[19:37] <DanaG> filelight and VirtualBox.
[19:38] <kahrytan> Arelis->  My is default color, whie
[19:38] <kahrytan> white
[19:38] <Arelis> kahrytan: weird. I think that the upgrade has turned my terminal yellow
[19:38] <kahrytan> Arelis->  try different monitor?
[19:38] <mnemo> Arelis: i have black background in terminal (i changed it)
[19:39] <Arelis> kahrytan: it's not my monitor.
[19:39] <Arelis> yes, it's set to "Black on light yellow", which is at the top of the list
[19:39] <Arelis> Maybe they changed the default
[19:40] <Pici> Well thats ugly
[19:40] <Arelis> Pici: try it
[19:40] <Pici> Arelis: I prefer white on black
[19:40] <Killeroid> green on black
[19:40] <bicyclist2> 'illeroid me too
[19:41] <Arelis> Pici: Yes, it's good. But then, the whole screen is not black, still bright.
[19:43] <kahrytan> Pici, Will FF3 be updated to final when it's released for hardy?
[19:43] <Arelis> the upgrade i'm doing right now is very big. is it gonna be this big everytime something changes?
[19:43] <Pici> kahrytan: I'm thinking it will be in 8.04.1
[19:43] <bicyclist2> arelis only for major upgrades
[19:43] <kahrytan> Pici->  you are funny
[19:44] <Arelis> bicyclist2: so what i'm doing now, is a major upgrade?
[19:44] <Arelis> what is it upgrading to?
[19:44] <bicyclist2> you upgrade from what?
[19:44] <kahrytan> Pici->  Are you saying yes?
[19:45] <mnemo> crimsun: you fixed by sound now, thanks a million.. I was infact missing the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-386 package just as you suspected
[19:45] <Pici> kahrytan: I'm saying maybe, I'm not a developer
[19:45] <Arelis> bicyclist2: Release Candidate, This is my first update since first install
[19:45] <kahrytan> Arelis->  and you will get allot more updates
[19:45] <bicyclist2> first install was what?
[19:46] <Arelis> Pici, kahrytan: isn't it upgrading to the final version? (distrowatch says somewhere that the final version was "released" today but CD's won't be available until 24 april)
[19:46] <Pici> Arelis: No... Hardy is not released until the 24th.  We have a release candidate out now though.
[19:47] <Bravewolf> Hello all! Is there anybody who installed Hardy RC and was able to update acpid? I receive an error in the post install script.
[19:48] <Gokee2> I am installing the latest xubuntu 8.04 and when doing "Prepare partions" (manually because it would not tell me what it did by itself) it pops up a msg saying some of the partitions you created are too small please make / 1.5 G (If I counted the numbers right.  But I have / at 39 G already.  Any idea whats wrong?  I think I will just tell it to go on anyway
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: erm.
[19:49] <bicyclis1> Eine Musik-Nachrichten-Sitzung wurde angefragt. Bitte klicken Sie das MM-Icon zum Akzeptieren.
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: someone complained about that in here once before.
[19:49] <nemo> Gokee2: and they had screwed up and confused MiB with GiB
[19:49] <DanaG> Ooh, Minefield fixes the godawful long close time for FF3.
[19:49] <nemo> sooo. be sure you aren't creating a 39MiB partition :-p
[19:50] <Gokee2> nemo, Ya...  its 39028 MB
[19:51] <bhsx> pretty cool, has anyone checked out mibbit.com? it's ajaxifide irc client....  i'm an xchat kinda guy myself but this is pretty cool... anyway...  firefox keeps crashing on me in rc1 and a lot of odd quirks that didn't seem to be happenning til the 'release'... anyone else notice this?
[19:51] <Gokee2> I would take a screenshot but don`t see any way to in this installer
[19:51] <bhsx> FF crashes specifically when using flash
[19:51] <bhsx> sometimes at youtube, sometimes at southparkstudios.com
[19:51] <Gokee2> Hmm also while I am at it how can I make sure network is working?  Install always seems a little messed up if setup can`t get on the internet
[19:51] <bhsx> sometimes it doesn't crash...
[19:52] <Gokee2> Hehe vt`s are here :)
[19:52] <danny> bhsx: yeah, it's always one that for me.  usually if its been open for a couple hours.
[19:52] <danny> done*
[19:53] <Gokee2> For my flash in FF crashes and I need to restaert FF to get flash back
[19:53] <Gokee2> me*
[19:54] <kahrytan> bhsx-> is it bug 192888?
[19:54] <Gokee2> restart*
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:54] <Jawshie> Hello guys! I set up 8.04 RC and installed it with LTSP described here:    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall  . I was under the impression that I should boot a thin client immediately... when I try I do boot but its to something called "Busybox." What do I need to do to get a desktop on my thin clients?
[19:55] <mophead> Why are varlock and varrun/ 1009M in Ubuntu? do they need to be that large?
[19:56] <kahrytan> bhsx->  you still there?
[19:56] <homer_> why are ATA disks in 8.04 are mapped to sd ?
[19:57] <Pici> homer_: They've been like that since at least Feisty
[19:57] <mnemo> Gokee2: to make sure networking works you can ping a server on your LAN or use something that requires internet access (like for instance you can open the update manager and press "check")
[19:58] <homer_> Pici, realy? ok sorry not seen this in feisty, maybe don't look at it :-)
[19:58] <Gokee2> mnemo, I booted in installer mode so I was wondering where I could put in a command...  I found the vt`s though :)
[19:58] <mnemo> Gokee2: ahh okay
[19:59] <nemo> Gokee2: hitting printscreen should take a screenshot :-p
[20:00] <Gokee2> Hmm  And where would I get to the screenshot at?
[20:00] <kahrytan> nemo->  I just now realized that today.
[20:01] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:01] <Ben_Cs>  i use hardy. installed ntfs-config. when i run it, when trying to add V's the apply button turns gray. i looked at the exec line and it says: gksu ntfs-config, but i don't get asked for a password. i tried gksudo. i get asked for pass word but still can't change a thing. please help!
[20:01] <nemo> Gokee2: well. it should tell you...
[20:01] <Bravewolf> I search the BTS and I discovered the same problem (#219886)
[20:02] <Gokee2> nemo, Did nothing as far as I could tell
[20:03] <Gokee2> Well...  nothing exept freeze the installer....
[20:04] <GNUtoo> hello, is ubuntu hardy  installation supposed to work in qemu?
[20:05] <Ben_Cs> anybody please?
[20:05] <GNUtoo> cause i have problem with the ata...ata1: port slow to respond, please be patient (Statux 0xd8)
[20:05] <GNUtoo> and then it reset the drive...
[20:06] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, what's the problem?
[20:06] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo:  i use hardy. installed ntfs-config. when i run it, when trying to add V's the apply button turns gray. i looked at the exec line and it says: gksu ntfs-config, but i don't get asked for a password. i tried gksudo. i get asked for pass word but still can't change a thing. please help!
[20:06] <Gokee2> OUCH!  I pressed the power button real quick to see if I could have the installer exit nicly and a loud steady beep came from my computer until I held down power!
[20:06] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: it's as if i don't have a full access or something?
[20:07] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, mabe that's app armor? i realy don't know here...
[20:07] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, and i don't know app-armor at all...(i only know selinux a little bit)
[20:08] <GNUtoo> but were you asked for your password BEFORE?
[20:08] <GNUtoo> because once you are granted the right to be root you have it for other things...
[20:09] <mophead> Is there anywhere online where people are putting information on ff3's flash issues?
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: yes synaptic, but it's as if ntfs-config wants something more
[20:11] <GNUtoo> try sudo su then ntfs-config but i realy don't know this app
[20:12] <KLes> Hi, sometime my laptop freeze (macbook) with Hardy. Where can i search ?
[20:13] <KLes> it is caused by compiz ...
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: doesn't help
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> i guess i'll do it manually. wierd
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> another question:
[20:14] <GNUtoo> yes?
[20:15] <Ben_Cs> when i first put icon theme in .icons and changed my mouse icon theme i was asked if i want to auto-start the icon-something-app at startup. i said no, but now i see that after reboot the icons i set don't take place. so i probably need that app autostarted, but i don't know what app is that.
[20:16] <KLes> I've got this message on Xorg.log.old : tossed event which came in late
[20:16] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs,  make a ps -aux, then run the app,then make ps-aux and compare the output and you'll have the app
[20:16] <KLes> and mieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
[20:17] <RyanPrior> Alacarte is broken for me in Hardy. Can anybody else delete menu items?
[20:17] <Ben_Cs> GNUtoo: i don't know what app it is. it's something that i saw first time and didn't remember.
[20:18] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: I can delete items just fine
[20:18] <Ben_Cs> the problem is that the mouse icons i copied to ~/.icons directory and set in options, don't get remembered after reboot
[20:18] <Pici> As can I
[20:18] <GNUtoo> Ben_Cs, don't know either...sorry
[20:18] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Well, I've tried everything I can think of and asking Alacarte to delete something has absolutely no effect.
[20:19] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Can you think of any conditions which would prevent me from being able to delete things?
[20:19] <Ben_Cs> ok thanks anyway
[20:19] <Pici> RyanPrior: How are you trying to delete it?
[20:19] <Pici> The delete key? or the right click option?
[20:19] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: You're out of space on the partition /home is mounted on? You have bad permission on ~/.local/share/applications/? The item has a '/' in the name?
[20:19] <RyanPrior> Pici: I have two methods - right-click and select delete, or select with left-click and hit the delete key.
[20:20] <Amaranth> Pici: they do the same thing
[20:20] <Pici> Amaranth: I figured, but just wanted to be sure
[20:20] <Amaranth> It doesn't actually delete anything, it just makes it so hidden alacarte doesn't show it
[20:20] <Amaranth> and removes it from Open With
[20:20] <Amaranth> in nautilus
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: I though it might be something like that. I hate how alacarte is designed.
[20:21] <Amaranth> *cough*
[20:21] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Anyway, none of the three things you suggested are true in my case. Permissions are fine, /home has plenty of space, no / in the name.
[20:22] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Run it from a terminal and see if it says anything
[20:22] <Amaranth> I think in the next version of alacarte I'm going to remove the delete functionality
[20:22] <Amaranth> Was stupid to add it, people should just hide things they don't want to see
[20:22] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: No output to the console.
[20:22] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: How about having delete *actually delete*?
[20:22] <Amaranth> Not actually possible
[20:23] <Amaranth> And insane
[20:23] <RyanPrior> .desktop files are mission-critical?
[20:23] <Greenery> i want to install nvidia driver, how do I do that in Kubuntu? I checked Hardware Driver manager, it offers me no choice
[20:23] <Amaranth> They are hard to recover when you want them back and easy to have come back when you don't want them to
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: delete /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop, reinstall firefox, watch it come back
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Delete everything in /usr/share/applications/, see if you know how to get it all back.
[20:24] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: precisely, that's the behaviour I want.
[20:24] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: If you delete the actual firefox.desktop it'll come back when firefox gets updated
[20:25] <Amaranth> Because you should not delete files that another package owns
[20:25] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: that would be good. If I wanted it hidden but still there I would hide it, but when I hit "delete" I expect there to be some actual deletion going on.
[20:25] <Amaranth> Because it'll just put them back because you've done something you are not supposed to do
[20:25] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Then I'll just remove the delete option
[20:25] <Amaranth> The whole point of alacarte is it is non-destructive
[20:26] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: what happens when I uninstall software and it doesn't clean up its icons? (My common usage case).
[20:26] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Delete them yourself
[20:26] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Rather than use the tool that comes with Ubuntu for managing the application menu? Why?
[20:26] <Amaranth> And don't use such broken software
[20:27] <Amaranth> Because alacarte is not meant for that
[20:27] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Obviously, using perfect software would solve everything - but I'm not using perfect software, so I need tools that are useful and do what they say.
[20:27] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: You are not going to win this argument.
[20:28] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: That's a strange thing to say - what would "winning" even mean?
[20:28] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: Convincing me to make alacarte damage your filesystem.
[20:28] <Lamego> Amaranth, intentionally deletting a .desktop file is filesystem damage ? *cof* *cof*
[20:29]  * Pici agrees with Amaranth 
[20:29] <Amaranth> Lamego: Things in /usr/share belong to the package that installed them
[20:29] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Perhaps we need two applications - we can call one the "Menu Icon Hider" and one the "Menu Icon Manager".
[20:29] <Amaranth> Lamego: alacarte has no right to mess with them
[20:29] <Pici> Plus, like you said, they may be re-created when the package is updated
[20:30] <Amaranth> and the package manager will just repair the damage anyway
[20:30] <Amaranth> yeah
[20:30] <RyanPrior> Well, I definitely agree that you should remove the "delete" functionality.
[20:30] <Lamego> ok, so what about making it a bit smarter, and checking if the file belongs to a deb package and warning about it ?
[20:31] <peeps[work]> my firefox just got really unresponsive and looks like it closed itself, is there a log somewhere I can look to see what happened/
[20:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: dpkg -S takes _ages_
[20:31] <RyanPrior> And I suppose I'll have to learn how the whole menu system works, since the GUI tool won't do the thing I need it to do.
[20:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: alacarte takes long enough to start as it is, that would add about 10 minutes to the start time
[20:32] <Lamego> Amaranth, with the full pathname it's quite fast
[20:32] <Amaranth> plus you'd have to run as root and alacarte should never be run as root :)
[20:32] <dany_21a> Amaranth: why checking on startup? check on delete
[20:32] <Amaranth> Lamego: you are blessed with a fast disk
[20:32] <Amaranth> dany_21a: So now delete takes a minute
[20:32] <Amaranth> Anyway, not interested
[20:32] <Lamego> Amaranth, not really, I have a regular disk, it took 0.113s
[20:33] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: Where are .desktop files stored apart from ~/.local/share/applications ?
[20:33] <peeps[work]> I have been trying to run IntelliJ Idea 7.0.3 on Hardy 64bit, and it seems to be very unstable, it often becomes unresponsive, and stops redrawing the window and I have to kill it and restart.  does anyone else use IDEA here?  or maybe notice problems in other Java applications
[20:33] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: /usr/share/applications/, /usr/local/share/applications, anywhere defined in XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_DATA_GNOME
[20:34] <Amaranth> err, XDG_DATA_HOME
[20:34] <peeps[work]> i don't know if the IntelliJ thing it's related to my firefox crashing or not
[20:35] <Amaranth> RyanPrior: the menu spec is a PITA
[20:35] <peeps[work]> it's about the 5th time today I had to kill IntelliJ IDEA.  it was much more stable on my previous computer with Gutsy and 32bit linux.  I don't know how to diagnose any further what the issue is though
[20:36] <RyanPrior> Amaranth: I know, that's why I haven't read it very carefully. And why I prefer GUI tools for menu management.
[20:36] <Amaranth> alacarte used to be called smeg, the menu spec makes me curse a lot
[20:36] <Pici> hehe
[20:37] <alfermp> hello bazhang
[20:40]  * Amaranth really needs to finish up the version of alacarte on his disk
[20:41] <Amaranth> rewrite in vala but i was really pushing vala to its limit when i was working on it and didn't completely understand everything about vala
[20:41] <Amaranth> so it still needs quite a bit of work
[20:41] <gonzzor> I'm having trouble installing 8.04 Server in my Vmware Workstation machine
[20:42] <gonzzor> The installation process just hangs.
[20:42] <_Rambaldi_> i am learning to write scripts in for bash (gedit) but i a getting a little frustrated counting lines to locate mistakes, is there a software for writing scripts that has line numbers?
[20:43] <gonzzor> _Rambaldi_: You could just use CTRL+i
[20:44] <gonzzor> Is there someway to find out what's wrong with the installation on vmware?
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> thanks gonzzor
[20:44] <gonzzor> :)
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> what about writing scripts in terminal
[20:46] <Killeroid> _Rambaldi_: i temporarily forgot the command sbut i do know vi and nano both have coomands that display what line you are currently on
[20:47] <Auctionedllama> Hi
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> vi dont like it so much
[20:47] <Auctionedllama> I just installed Hardy a day ago... and was wondering why my GUI bars at the top and bottom won't switch to a theme?
[20:47] <Killeroid> _Rambaldi_: i prefer nano
[20:47] <gonzzor> In vim you can use ctrl+G
[20:49] <Auctionedllama> Ya so, I just got hardy recently, and the GUI bars at the top stay grey, no matter what theme I apply.. how can I fix this?
[20:51] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh, can anyone help ?
[20:51] <_Rambaldi_> do you mean the panel
[20:51] <PedanticSteve> Auctionedllama: do you mean the title bar of your windows?
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> Pedanticsteve, no the bar at the top that says apps, places, etc, and the bar at the bottom
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> my windows work fine
[20:52] <_Rambaldi_> right click and select properties and background, solid color....
[20:52] <Auctionedllama> wait, but aren't they supposed to have a theme applied? or am I rettarded? xD
[20:53] <_Rambaldi_> no its independent
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> in 7.10 the theme I applied would go up there..
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> O really?
[20:53] <homer_> are there any issues playing audio cd's in 8.04? i have problems play them correct
[20:53] <Auctionedllama> hmm.. how can I make thta all cool?
[20:53] <_Rambaldi_> well it should have actually
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> _rambaldi_ so I can't make it apply a theme to those?
[20:54] <jac0b-w> does anyone know if the "The folder contents could not be displayed" error has been fixed in hardy?
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> how did studo do that?
[20:54] <Auctionedllama> *studio
[20:55] <_Rambaldi_> have you tried logging off and on, somtimes the theme is not applied globally
[20:56] <hwilde> anybody seen this error before?  "EOF in empty packet"
[20:57] <Auctionedllama> guys, is there a program for linux I can d/l that formats partitions?
[20:57] <robertw> linux comes with one
[20:57] <robertw> at least
[20:57] <Phusion> hey there, I'm running 8.04 and since going from 7.10, Virtualbox refuses to grab the mouse when running WinXP
[20:57] <Auctionedllama> what is it called robertw?
[20:57] <hwilde> !gparted | Auctionedllama
[20:57] <ubotu> Auctionedllama: GParted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[20:57] <Phusion> Auctionedllama: gparted is good
[20:57] <robertw> mke2fs
[20:58] <robertw> gparted is good, too
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[20:58] <Phusion> so, anyone run into that virtualbox problem?
[20:58] <robertw> that lets you create and format them
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> O ya, one thing
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> My mouse.. is like
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> I can't scroll up
[20:58] <robertw> Phusion, haven't tried VBOX yet.  I am more of a VMWare guy myself.
[20:58] <Phusion> yeah... hrmm might give that a shot
[20:58] <Phusion> is there a free VMWare for lewnix?
[20:58] <Auctionedllama> I change it so in compiz, scrolling down spins the cube, but it won't scroll up, and no scroll up won't work on anything. if you get what I mean
[20:58] <robertw> Phusion, yeah, it's called VMWare Server
[20:58] <Phusion> word.
[20:59] <Auctionedllama> how do I fix my mouse problem, and how do I open gparted? :P
[21:00] <_Rambaldi_> gksu gparted
[21:00] <white_eagle> sorrt
[21:00] <white_eagle> sorry*
[21:04] <hwilde> anybody seen this error before?  "EOF in empty packet"
[21:04] <edoceo> Anyone know status of PostgreSQL 8.3 in Ubuntu Hardy?  My apt-cache shows some 8.3 and some 8.2 parts
[21:07] <BCBudLover83> hey. for some reason my ntfs and fat32 drives dont automount in 8.04. is anyone else having the same problem?
[21:07] <alfermp> hey guys i have problem with Hardy and my wireless card
[21:10] <white_eagle> I love how atheros chips are supported by just clicking a box
[21:10] <BCBudLover83> does ubuntu automount for any of you?
[21:11] <negge> BCBudLover83 yeah it works great for me, but there was a bug earlier that messed it up a bit
[21:11] <BCBudLover83> a bug with the rc?
[21:12] <BCBudLover83> or like an ooold bug?
[21:12] <negge> BCBudLover83 I don't know if it's in the RC anymore
[21:12] <negge> what do you mean when you say automount doesn't work? can't you mount your drives at all or is the mount point changing every reboot?
[21:13] <BCBudLover83> its weird because i see the drives under the places tab, but they arn't mounted till i click them. and i checked the fstab and i didn't see any entries in there for my drives
[21:16] <alfermp> i'm negge
[21:17] <tanner> ugh. i wish they would fix the damn automounting issue
[21:17] <UnNaturalHigh> if I did `update-manager --devel-release` would that just be equivalent to adding the hardy repo's and doing `sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade`?
[21:18] <orvokki> Mostly except you'd remove the chances of human errors.
[21:18] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, what do you mean human error? the second way seems pretty automated
[21:19] <redwhitewaldo> how do i play midi files in 8.04?+
[21:19] <homer_> does anyone know why my 8.04 always make a fs check on boot?
[21:20] <_Rambaldi_> tanner, whats the problem with autmounting
[21:21] <orvokki> UnNaturalHigh: Erm, the second way would include you adding Hardy repos yourself.
[21:22] <lol_h> on 8.04, will all home folders still be +rx to everyone by default?
[21:22] <orvokki> Whereas the first way is automated.
[21:22] <negge> tanner I thought they fixed it already, hasn't been a problem for me at all lately
[21:22] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, I already have hardy repos added and pinned, as I have been using the hardy kernel for sometime now
[21:23] <UnNaturalHigh> orvokki, I was just gonna do a full-upgrade to the hardy repo's today and wanted to ensure I was doing it properly in comparison to the command `update-manager --devel-release`
[21:23] <orvokki> I rather recommend using update-manager, really.
[21:23] <nemo> aye
[21:23] <nemo> just finished it myself. was quite smooth.
[21:23] <nemo> (on a system I hadn't updated yet)
[21:23] <nemo> want to beat the rush :)
[21:25] <mirak> hi
[21:25] <mirak> libxine1-xvdr is broken again.
[21:25] <mirak> you need to update this package when you update libxine
[21:26] <mirak> otherwise it breaks
[21:26] <komputes> how can one cat a long string into your paste buffer?
[21:27] <peter78> I've been getting random system freezes along with the fans going crazy on my laptop, any help/ advice?
[21:27] <nemo> komputes: Xpaste?
[21:27] <adinc> hello, does someone know if those usb to rs232 adapter you can buy on the market do also work with linux?
[21:27] <komputes> nemo: more info on that, how does it work, do you use/recommend it?
[21:28] <nemo> komputes: hm. actually. you want piping
[21:28] <nemo> xclip would be better for that
[21:28]  * nemo checks to see if it is in ubuntu
[21:28] <nemo> woot. it is
[21:28] <komputes> nemo: pipe as in = |
[21:28]  * nemo installs it
[21:29] <komputes> oh theres a package called pope
[21:29]  * komputes looks
[21:29] <nemo> yep, works
[21:29] <nemo> $ echo yep, works | xclip
[21:29] <nemo> komputes: presumably that is what you wanted? :)
[21:30] <komputes> nemo: so i just cat anything into xclip (presuming xclip is part of pipe.deb)
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: pretty much.
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: don't know why I never bothered installing it on this system.
[21:31] <nemo> komputes: xpaste is pretty handy too though
[21:32] <komputes> nemo: I can't find pipe
[21:33] <komputes> sudo apt-get install pipe ?
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: ummm
[21:33] <nemo> dude
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: a pipe is a standard shell concept
[21:33] <nemo> komputes: cat foo.txt | xclip
[21:33] <nemo> the | <- that is a pipe
[21:34] <nemo> komputes: the package xclip is in is... shocking. xclip ;)
[21:34] <komputes> nemo: so the package is xclip
[21:34] <komputes> ok
[21:34] <nemo> komputes: if you'd typed xclip at a prompt it would have told you that :-p
[21:34] <redwhitewaldo> which of the 2 plugin choices for firefox 3 beta 5 should i choose: 1) media plug-in for gecko browsers OR 2) MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla?
[21:34] <komputes> hehe
[21:34]  * komputes brainfarts
[21:35] <latitu> no sound in hardy.......
[21:35] <komputes> latitu: are you sure you're not deaf
[21:35] <komputes> :)
[21:36] <ar3ac> someone can confirm me about "m3u problem" with Totem or Audacious ?
[21:36] <komputes> i'm kidding, thanks nemo
[21:38] <pen> is there alternatives besides OOo?
[21:38] <rsk> pen: abiword
[21:38] <Amaranth> pen: abiword is a decent work processor
[21:39] <Amaranth> not as many features but really small and fast
[21:39] <rsk> or staroffice
[21:39] <Amaranth> s/work/word/
[21:39] <Amaranth> staroffice is OOo
[21:39] <rsk> but it might be depracated by OOo
[21:39] <pen> abiword?
[21:39] <pen> ok
[21:40] <pen> besides abiword?
[21:40] <rsk> kword i think it's called
[21:40] <rsk> or kwrite maybe
[21:41] <danny_> can I post a link to a post i made on ubuntuforums to save time, or is that against some kind of ruules?  :x
[21:41] <UnNaturalHigh> pen, medit
[21:41] <pen> UnNaturalHigh: medit?
[21:41] <pen> rsk: k
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: staroffice is almost completely deprecated by openoffice
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: except for the project management portion.
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: project management/calendaring.
[21:42] <Phusion> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 and when running Virtualbox, it will not grab the mouse
[21:42] <Amaranth> nemo: staroffice is OOo + fonts
[21:42] <Phusion> has anyone else run into this problem?
[21:42] <nemo> Amaranth: + pm/calendaring
[21:42] <Coder7> I'm struggling to get OpenLDAP + TLS to work while testing 8.04, any ideas?
[21:43] <UnNaturalHigh> pen, http://mooedit.sourceforge.net/
[21:43] <bipolar> Coder7: authentication?
[21:43] <bipolar> Coder7: Is it hanging on boot?
[21:44] <Coder7> bipolar: no, it loads just fine
[21:44] <Coder7> I just can't get it to do a damn thing with TLS encryption
[21:44] <darkphader> how to keep xorg.conf from being overwritten?
[21:44] <bipolar> Coder7: oh... the TLS-* lines?
[21:44] <Coder7> I've tried a dozen different configs with various options
[21:44] <Coder7> been Googling and hacking around all day
[21:44] <sahin_h> Why there is no default helper application in firefox-3 on Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:45] <Coder7> first road bump was AppArmor
[21:45] <bipolar> Coder7: create /etc/ldap/ldap.conf and put JUST the TLS_* lines in there.
[21:45] <Coder7> next, I can't get the thing to log reliably
[21:45] <bipolar> Coder7: the rest of the config goes in /etc/ldap.conf
[21:45] <Coder7> bipolar: I thought ldap.conf was only for nss stuff
[21:46] <bipolar> Coder7: not anymore
[21:46] <bipolar> Coder7: it's all been unified. there is even a debconf script to do the heavy lifting
[21:46] <Coder7> hrm, okay
[21:46] <gonzzor> Doesn't Ubuntu server support unionfs?
[21:47] <protocol1> whats the latest kernel for hardy?
[21:47] <bipolar> Coder7: when you 'apt-get install libpam-ldap libnss-ldap nss-updatedb' it will ask you about your setup. if it doesn't ask, it sees a custom config, or saw one at one point, and won't clober it.
[21:47] <bipolar> Coder7: that confused the hell outta me
[21:48] <bipolar> you have to apt-get remove --purge those packages, after deleting your manual config, to make debconf happy
[21:48] <Coder7> running `dpkg-reconfigure slapd` now
[21:48] <bipolar> Coder7: oh, thats the server.
[21:48] <Coder7> yeah, making it clean first
[21:48] <bipolar> Coder7: I'm talking just about the client.
[21:49] <Coder7> then I'll redo the client stuff :P
[21:49] <Coder7> I've hacked the hell out of both sides
[21:49] <bipolar> Not sure whats going to happen with the server in the mix. my server was already setup when I started with hardy
[21:50] <Coder7> well, it's all on the same machine
[21:50] <Auctionedllama> Hey
[21:51] <Laptop765> Greetings, I'm using 8.04RC and I have a Thinkpad with non-functioning volume keys...  I know that I can fix the problem by installing tpb, but this would seem to have the side effect of removing the ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop packages which I don't really want to do if I don't have to...any solutions?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> How do I run that partition formatter?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> I just downloaded, and forget what its called.. hmm
[21:51] <Coder7> bipolar: are there any problems I'm gonna run into with SASL?
[21:51] <co0lingFir3> does any1 know if kernel 2.6.25 will be implemented in hardy final?
[21:51] <Auctionedllama> Guys what is a good partition formatter for linux?
[21:52] <co0lingFir3> ﻿Auctionedllama: gparted
[21:52] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it won't
[21:52] <Auctionedllama> ok, how do I run it? I just installed it mate
[21:52] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  it is in add/remove programs
[21:52] <_Rambaldi_> i said earlier gksu gparted
[21:53] <protocol1> I am using 2.6.24-15-generic
[21:53] <protocol1>  with hardy.....does that sound like the latest?
[21:53] <Auctionedllama> ya, thansk, I already installed it, but can't find it mate
[21:53] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  It shows up under Administration as Partition Editor"
[21:53] <co0lingFir3> rsk: why not?
[21:53] <_Rambaldi_> no it is not protocol1
[21:53] <bipolar> Coder7: I don't know. I don't use it.
[21:53] <Auctionedllama> k thanks mates
[21:53] <_Rambaldi_> 16-generic is the latest
[21:53] <rsk> co0lingFir3: the kernel freeze was before 2.6.25 release
[21:53] <bipolar> Coder7: scratch that.... I used it with my postfix config.
[21:53] <rsk> co0lingFir3: but some stuff is backported along the way.
[21:53] <protocol1> how do I upgrade to latest via console?
[21:54] <bipolar> Coder7: But I think it's SASL->PAM->LDAP
[21:54] <darkphader> xorg.conf overwritten every boot
[21:54] <bipolar> No problems I remember there.
[21:54] <rsk> protocol1: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:54] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so i can install a backported kernel?
[21:54] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it's the default
[21:54] <Polygon89> Hey, my computer has locked up twice in the past two days, and each time, its completely gone. Ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt work and neither does alt+sysrq=REISUB. I do notice that when it locks up, my keyboard LEDs (the Caps lock and scroll lock) start flashing........is there some way to debug the problem?
[21:55] <Coder7> bipolar: okay, I'll tackle that one when I get to it
[21:55] <Auctionedllama> polygon89, ya that happened to me recently
[21:55] <Auctionedllama> had to reboot
[21:55] <Polygon89> keyboard flashing and everything?
[21:55] <bipolar> Coder7: good luck! :)
[21:55] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so will it be installed automatically or do i have to select it?
[21:56] <rsk> co0lingFir3: automaticly
[21:56] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama, Polygon89  Figure out what you two were running at the time of lockup and repeat it. Narrow it down so an application, then report it.
[21:56] <co0lingFir3> rsk: thats nice. do u know any eta if i may ask?
[21:56] <Polygon89> kahrytan, if the kernel completely locks up, i dont think its an application......
[21:56] <Auctionedllama> didn't notice the keyboard, but it locked up with no way out, and I was running firefox, Xchat, and that email program, trying to get it to sync with gmail, which mega phailed
[21:56] <rsk> co0lingFir3: for hardy? in 3 days :)
[21:57] <Polygon89> kahrytan, not to mention that i left my computer on while i was at school and came back to find it locked up.
[21:57] <co0lingFir3> rsk: no i mean for the backported 2.6.25 ;)
[21:57] <corporal_clegg> hello, could someone help me setting up an Apple Wireless keyboard? if I open Bluetooth Preferences, I get the device in the "Assicated Devices" list but it doesn't work
[21:57] <latitu> tapas done that
[21:57] <Auctionedllama> guys does gparted not show my hardy or w/e cause I can't find mine..
[21:58] <latitu> linas what kernel did you had sound with (the 'later' one) ?
[21:59] <tapas> latitu?
[21:59] <Auctionedllama> guys I installed Hardy via WUBI, uhm.. if I wanted to increase the space on the installation how would I do that?
[21:59] <latitu> tapas iam having no sound in hardy
[21:59] <Coder7> bipolar: so, are you saying ldapsearch and other utilities use /etc/ldap.conf ?
[22:00] <darkphader> working xorg.conf gets overwritte every boot - how can this be stopped?
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> Guys.. how do I increase my hardy installation?
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> *my hardy installation size
[22:00] <Auctionedllama> so I can have more room to install stuff
[22:01] <Polygon89> boot using a live cd and use gparted to resize the partition?
[22:01] <Auctionedllama> well I installed VIA wubi in windows
[22:01] <Lamego> check the wubi wiki
[22:02] <Auctionedllama> kthanks mate
[22:02] <co0lingFir3> rsk: any eta on backports of 2.6.25?
[22:04] <bews1> None of the scripts in /etc/acpi/suspend.d are getting run when I suspend!  Is this a known issue?
[22:05] <kahrytan> What is so important about Kernel 2.6.25?
[22:05] <Creeture> Hey guys. Hardy freshly installed. ATI card, restricted driver enabled and working. Using Xubuntu. What's the "Ubuntu Way" of setting my dual monitor display to span monitors? I can do it by hand if that's the easiest answer.
[22:05] <rsk> penis-lenght :p
[22:05] <kahrytan> rsk-> ... Was that family friendly?
[22:05] <rsk> co0lingFir3: it wont be a .25 backport just an .24 with .25 stuff backported
[22:06] <rsk> kahrytan: nope
[22:06] <kahrytan> rsk->  then shouldnt have said it
[22:06] <rsk> ok
[22:06] <mirak> hi
[22:06] <mirak> is there a way to run a program at some time
[22:06] <mirak> but without using cron
[22:06] <Creeture> mirak: man at
[22:07] <co0lingFir3> rsk: ok. nevertheless it will install automatically if i keep my sys up2date, wont it?
[22:07] <rsk> yes. :)
[22:09] <kahrytan> 3 days .. is everyone ready for the upgrade..?
[22:10] <rsk> sure is
[22:11] <kahrytan> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[22:11] <co0lingFir3> rsk: so any eta on the backported 2.6.24? :D
[22:11] <crimsun> ...
[22:11] <rsk> it's already out co0lingFir3
[22:11] <rsk> and in main
[22:11] <Polygon89> no becuase there are a ton of people getting hard kernel lockups.
[22:11] <co0lingFir3> rsk: cool
[22:11] <mirak> Creeture: this is really unergonomic ...
[22:15] <linas> latitu, the kernel that works for me is latest ubunut kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[22:15] <linas> latitu, try doing "lsmod" to make sure that sound drivers ae installed
[22:17] <dubby> hey guys im running hardy now, i was wondering, in 3 days , will my synaptic want me to upgrade my distribution?
[22:19] <crimsun> three, four, five days.  Sometime around then.
[22:19] <mvo_> dubby: no, you did that step already, you just keep getting updates via update-manager/synaptic as usual
[22:21] <erle-> hey, i have found a serious bug, but nobody seems to reproduce it
[22:21] <rsk> :/
[22:22] <Sonja> i get sound when ubuntu loads with feel-good drum login sound, but none of my appz can produce sound
[22:23] <rsk> Sonja: got 2 soundcards?
[22:23] <Sonja> rks probably
[22:23] <Sonja> rsk rather
[22:23] <Sonja> i think i'm using sblive instead of my motherboard's soundcard
[22:24] <crimsun> Sonja: fresh install or dist-upgrade?
[22:24] <kahrytan> Sonja->  you mean the sound in Sound Preferences?
[22:24] <Sonja> dist-upgrade
[22:24] <crimsun> erle-: which bug?
[22:24] <erle-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216557
[22:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216557 in ubuntu "HAL daemon eats 100 percent CPU (hardy)" [Undecided,New]
[22:24] <erle-> crimsun,
[22:24] <Sonja> in sound preferences, the tests work and produce a tone.
[22:25] <Sonja> but audacious, youtube, etc. have no sound
[22:26] <Sonja> vlc gets sound.
[22:26] <crimsun> erle-: are you sure it's not the reference in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13694336/hal_0.5.11~rc2-1ubuntu7_i386.changes ?
[22:26] <Sonja> weird, not all appz are soundless
[22:26] <RAOF> Sonja: It sounds like pulseaudio is running, but you haven't told ALSA to use pulse by default.
[22:26] <Sonja> RAOF how can we do that?
[22:26] <erle-> crimsun, i updated my installation today
[22:27] <RAOF> Sonja: And the 'make pulse + alsa play nicely' upload hasn't happened yet :)
[22:27] <erle-> i just booted up 5 mins ago
[22:27] <crimsun> erle-: it hasn't been accepted yet.
[22:27] <erle-> and it showed up again
[22:27] <Sonja> RAOF oh i see. so i have to wait until april 24?
[22:27] <crimsun> RAOF: it likely won't for final.  asac milestoned it for 8.04.1.
[22:27] <RAOF> Sonja: 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' will set the default ALSA device to be pluseaudio.
[22:27] <kahrytan> There seems to be allot of pulseaudio or audio related issues
[22:27] <RAOF> crimsun: Right, good.  So I can continue to say set-pulseaudio for a while now :)
[22:27] <iMatter> uhm im back with internet problems
[22:27] <iMatter> i cannot connect to any AP
[22:28] <RAOF> Sonja: That should fix everything (that doesn't use ALSA in a broken way).
[22:28] <crimsun> Sonja: the default output for vlc is now pulseaudio, BTW.  Make sure all your non-GStreamer apps are configured to use pulseaudio.
[22:28] <iMatter> im begging to think it has something to do with DHCP
[22:28] <erle-> crimsun, here is hal-ubuntu6
[22:28] <corporal_clegg> hello, I did configure an apple wireless keyboard, but the fn key doesn't work, also, the cmd key seems to not work. is there a way to make them work? thanks
[22:28] <erle-> it is the most recent version
[22:28] <crimsun> erle-: like I mentioned, the fixed version has not been accepted to be distributed.  It has built successfully, however.
[22:28] <erle-> ok
[22:29] <erle-> so you think that will fix the issue?
[22:29] <erle-> because i got no response to my bug report
[22:29] <Sonja> i tried that command, but i'm still not getting sound in youtube etc.
[22:29] <RAOF> Sonja: Right.  That's because flash is stupid.
[22:29] <Sonja> asoundconf set-pulseaudio was supposed to fix?
[22:29] <crimsun> Sonja: you have to install libflashsupport for Flash+PulseAudio support
[22:30] <Sonja> audacious also still not
[22:30] <iMatter> does dhclient and dhpd3 not work in hardy?
[22:30] <kahrytan> crimsun->  doesnt that crash ff allot?
[22:30] <crimsun> Sonja: install audacious-plugins-extra
[22:30] <Sonja> ok
[22:30] <crimsun> kahrytan: "that"?
[22:30]  * RAOF presumes he's talking about libflashsupport
[22:30] <kahrytan> crimsun->  didnt you said that libflashsupport crashes ff often?
[22:30] <crimsun> kahrytan: if you're referring to libflashsupport, it's extremely unstable on some configurations.
[22:30] <Sonja> already have audacious-plugins-extra
[22:31] <Sonja> youtube still mute
[22:32] <rinaldi_> ﻿hi, I was reading up on the ubuntu website about the mobile version. How does that work? Is it available in any current devices?
[22:32] <crimsun> Sonja: is libflashsupport installed?
[22:32] <Sonja> let me check
[22:33] <Sonja> yes it already was
[22:33] <jaffarkel>  
[22:33] <nemo> After updating this machine to Hardy (still on a 105 key generic US layout) my numpad has stopped working in X
[22:33] <nemo> suggestions?
[22:33] <Sonja> in summary: ubuntu system sounds and vlc work fine. but youtube and audacious produce no sound.
[22:33] <crimsun> Sonja: is pavucontrol installed?
[22:34] <Sonja> installing ict now
[22:34] <kahrytan> Sonja->  Dont forget Totem.
[22:34] <Sonja> you want me to test if totem is working?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: what sound system did you set audacious to use ?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: ALSA ?
[22:35] <nemo> Sonja: is it outputting anything to STDERR?
[22:35] <Sonja> i didn't set anything.
[22:35] <Sonja> should i go in audacious preferences and change something?
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> Hi guys
[22:35] <crimsun> 17:28      crimsun > Sonja: the default output for vlc is now pulseaudio, BTW.  Make sure all your non-GStreamer apps are configured to use pulseaudio.
[22:36] <sivel27> hello all
[22:36] <nemo> crimsun: how would that work with flash? :)
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh, I just transferred Hardy into a real partition.. and now uh.. there are like 40 options in GRUB, and 4 of them are from my old 7.10 which I just formatted.. and none of the hardy options will start..
[22:36] <nemo> crimsun: can ALSA be pointed at pulseaudio ?
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> any help?
[22:36] <sivel27> is anyone else experiencing slow repo download bandwidth, or is it just my nic?
[22:36] <Sonja> totem also has sound.
[22:36] <crimsun> nemo: sure.  RAOF recommended one method.
[22:37] <Sonja> so i go in the audacious settings and set it to pulseaudio?
[22:37] <crimsun> Sonja: I would recommend that, yes.
[22:37] <Auctionedllama> ?
[22:37] <crimsun> Sonja: also, go ahead and open `pavucontrol', then navigate to a Flash web site
[22:38] <crimsun> Auctionedllama: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:38] <Sonja> audacious now works.
[22:38] <Sonja> thanks
[22:38] <Sonja> let me try flash now
[22:38] <Auctionedllama> k, one sec matey
[22:38] <kahrytan> Audacious worked out of the box.
[22:39] <kahrytan> for me
[22:39] <kahrytan> Sonja, you upgraded?
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: hm. that proceeded rather smoothly for me. erm. are you maybe having an issue with UUIDs ?
[22:39] <Sonja> yes
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: did you do a dd of the entire disc structure, or did you copy into fresh partitions?
[22:39] <nemo> Auctionedllama: I did a dd, then resized. worked like a charm. didn't have to change anything to speak of.
[22:39] <Auctionedllama> http://pastebin.com/m2d42fc91
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I have no idea
[22:40] <kahrytan> crimsun->  i wonder how many sound issues it related to upgrades
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: in what way does that pastebin answer my question?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> uhm, someone asked for it
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> lol
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you are saying "real" so I assume you were running hardy in a VM
[22:40] <crimsun> kahrytan: oh, something like 90%
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> Yes, I installed VIA wubi
[22:40] <nemo> Auctionedllama: if so, how did you move hardy *out* of the VM?
[22:40] <kahrytan> crimsun->  so, Yet another Upgrade no-no for Ubuntu?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> I followed this guide : http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lvpm.html
[22:40] <crimsun> kahrytan: come again?
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> and I checked, and its in where I want it to be
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> but, the grub is a blowout
[22:40] <Sonja> youtube works now! thanks crimsun. do i hove to open pavucontrol every time? or just that one time fix0red it permanently now?
[22:41] <NW2190> Hi, I have hardy installed but I just installed openSUSE and I accidently installed the boot loader (also GRUB). Is there a way to change the setup to use Hardy's grub menu.lst?
[22:41] <kahrytan> crimsun->  Ive noticed upgrades seem to not work as well as clean installs
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> it transfered alright, just the fact that grub is like, broke, there are so many options in it, and none of them work,
[22:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: offhand guess, that method creates new partitions with new UUIDs
[22:41] <crimsun> Sonja: you'll need to use pavucontrol if you wish to move the Flash stream.
[22:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: either fix your partitions to use the old UUIDs or update grub and /etc/fstab to use the new ones
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> erm, I'll do option 2 :P
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> how do I do, that?
[22:41] <iMatter> so can anyone help me with my internet problem?
[22:41] <crimsun> kahrytan: some programs have configurations that are quite volatile, which greatly complicates upgrades.
[22:41] <hmuller> NW2190: Hit c when grub starts and set grub back up on your hardy partition, you may have to read up first
[22:42] <crimsun> kahrytan: on the whole, however, upgrading is wholly usable.
[22:42] <kahrytan> crimsun->  or old settings dont play nice with the new software
[22:42] <Auctionedllama> nemo, how do I do "option 2"?
[22:42] <nemo> Auctionedllama: well. get the new UUIDs then do a find and replace in the grub menu.lst and /etc/fstab
[22:42] <nemo> not that bad
[22:42] <Auctionedllama> how do I get the UUIds?
[22:42] <hmuller> NW2190:  you would type something like grub> root (hd0,#) where # is the grub partition where hardy is installed, grub numbers from 0 on up
[22:43] <NW2190> hmuller: oh, so I can do it all at start up? Ya that makes sense I'll go do that. Thanks a for the help.
[22:43] <Auctionedllama> Sorry, I know not much about HDD terms, I'm more of a code guy, please excuse my ignorance
[22:43] <hmuller> NW2190:  then you would type grub> setup (hd,#)
[22:43] <NW2190> hmuller: right I need to change mine to (hd0,1). Thanks again.
[22:43] <hmuller> NW2190: no problem, i've done that lots of times
[22:43] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[22:43] <nemo> Auctionedllama: although there are other ways
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> ok. looking uhm
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> I see a lot of stuff
[22:44] <bent_> Hey #ubuntu+1, I have a broadcom driver issue. Like, the b43 drivers don't work, and I can't get ndiswrapper to be in working order. I'm trying again... but is there some bug/other issue?
[22:44] <nemo> Auctionedllama: vol_id for example
[22:44] <kahrytan> nemo->  blkid would work
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> want it pastebinned?
[22:44] <Sonja> thanks crimsun and RAOF
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: or that :)
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: lots of ways :-p
[22:44] <Auctionedllama> there we are http://pastebin.com/m53da9cb6
[22:44] <nemo> kahrytan: tunefs...
[22:44] <kahrytan> nemo->  but dir listing is best .. no sudo required
[22:44] <DanaG> Argh
[22:44] <nemo> Auctionedllama: which partition is your / ?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> lemme check one sec
[22:45] <nemo> Auctionedllama: and do you have a separate one for /boot ?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> Don't think so, one sec mate
[22:45] <hmuller> crimsun: (off topic) are you aware of any regularly scheduled keysigning parties in the DC area?
[22:45] <nemo> hmuller: oh. hey!
[22:45] <nemo> hmuller: if so. lemme know. I've been meaning to go to one
[22:46] <nemo> hmuller: http://biglumber.com/ ?
[22:46] <Auctionedllama> nemo, SDA2 is where my windows and wubi is installed (and boot), and I transferred hardy to SDA3 and SDA 5 is my swap. not sure what 4 is
[22:46] <Auctionedllama> and SDA1 is a utility Bios partition
[22:46] <crimsun> hmuller: I don't know of regularly scheduled ones, no.  I will be at the GW ACM's hardy installfest, however.
[22:46] <hmuller> nemo: I've used big lumber, only one hit out of 7.  There's a possible monthly at the baltolug
[22:47] <nemo> hmuller: really? details?
[22:47] <nemo> hmuller: also looking for Thawte notaries, but that at least has a better directory
[22:47] <hmuller> nemo: if you search for MD you'll find the baltolug, if you want to coordinate a personal exchange of finger prints then shoot an email to hlmuller@yahoo.com
[22:47] <nemo> Auctionedllama:  ok. so you're saying sda2 is the partition that /  is on?
[22:47] <Auctionedllama> uhm.. I think
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> Yes
[22:48] <tomasko> df
[22:48] <DanaG> Argh, why the heck do pdflush and kblockd keep writing to my hard drive?
[22:48] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sooo. does the UUID match the one for root in your menu.lst? :)
[22:48] <DanaG> It happens literally at least once every single second.
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> Thats where my core of files are.. mainly all windows, and thats where wubi installed, but I want to boot into SDA3 which is where I copied all my hardy files into
[22:48] <Auctionedllama> lemme check
[22:48] <DanaG> It's really stupid.
[22:48] <crimsun> DanaG: what sort of memory pressure are you under?
[22:48] <nemo> hmuller: don't suppose you're a thawte notary? :)
[22:49] <hmuller> nemo: No, just a regular guy =)
[22:49] <nemo> Auctionedllama: anyway. point is, unless you tell the kernel what partition the / of your filesystem is on, you won't get far.
[22:49] <hmuller> crimsun:  Thanks for the tip, I'll put it on my calendar
[22:49] <iMatter> guess no one can help...
[22:49] <Auctionedllama> Ok.. wait
[22:49] <Auctionedllama> but if.. I want it to default boot into SDA3.. uhm
[22:49] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sooo, yeah, that's why I just overwrote my entire disc. was much easier. no mucking about with this nonsense.
[22:50] <hmuller> iMatter: maybe not, what's the nature of your internet problem?
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> lol
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> one sec
[22:50] <DanaG> Oh, I'm at 433/1009 megabytes used, and I've disabled swap.
[22:50] <iMatter> hmuller: well i cannot connect to any AP really i beileve it has something to do with DHCP not working properly
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> lemme just screw with this.
[22:50] <Auctionedllama> brb, tell you if it works
[22:51] <DanaG> And I've also set my journal commit time to something like 300 seconds, in both fstab and in grub rootflags.
[22:51] <hmuller> iMatter: What is /var/log/syslog telling you about dhcp?
[22:51] <iMatter> second...im in another distro for internet opening it up
[22:53] <iMatter> Ooh Jeez
[22:53] <iMatter> its full >.>
[22:54] <DanaG> Oh, and ksoftirqd is also showing up.
[22:54] <iMatter> Apr 21 01:21:58 son9524-laptop dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
[22:54] <iMatter> Apr 21 01:26:22 son9524-laptop dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
[22:55] <hmuller> iMatter: What type of AP are you trying to connect to?
[22:55] <crimsun> DanaG: no, I'm referring to proc.sys.vm
[22:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> who has a link to the blue heron desktop image?
[22:55] <crimsun> DanaG: keep in mind things like readahead.
[22:55] <UnNaturalHigh> I was thinking of going completely to hardy heron (as my laptop is currently somewhere between hardy and gutsy) my question is I am using the elbuntu repos for e17 which are made for gutsy, does anyone think this would not work with hardy heron?
[22:55] <iMatter> WEP
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> UnNaturalHigh: I'm thinking no.....
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> good
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: BTW. My personal issue with wireless auth was that there is a bug in auth - if you use network admin, you can't use a passphrase with spaces in it
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> considering that most of the core parts of my laptop are already running hardy packages I think it should work
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: or quotes
[22:56] <nemo> iMatter: is kind of a stupid bug.
[22:56] <UnNaturalHigh> maybe I should try it in a virtual machine first
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> I mean I think it WON"T work.... worst that can happen is you have to uninstall the packages though
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> I think
[22:57] <hmuller> iMatter: Can you set the wireless router to be open and test?
[22:57] <iMatter> i use WICD
[22:57] <iMatter> that doesnt work either...
[22:57] <iMatter> does dhclient command not work anymore? always gives permission denied even when i do it with root privs via sudo or su
[22:57] <hmuller> iMatter: You cannot receive an IP with the router open?
[22:58] <iMatter> at one point i got connected enough but i didnt have an IP
[22:58] <nemo> iMatter: what's your card?
[22:58] <iMatter> nope i tried manually doing ifconfig ath0 192.x.x.x.
[22:58] <iMatter> Atheros AR5006EG
[22:58] <iMatter> and im sure its 5006EG
[22:58] <hmuller> iMatter: I quit using dhcp clients manually and let network-manager do all my work for me
[22:58] <nemo> hmuller: that's what got me into trouble :-p
[22:59] <DanaG> **** sucky network.
[22:59] <hmuller> nemo: iMatter:  it looks like any possible solution will have to come from nemo then  =)
[22:59] <DanaG> I have no idea what things made it through.
[22:59] <Baby_Shambl3s> who cna find me the link in ubuntuforums for the blue heron desktop image it seems it has vanished 0_o???
[23:00] <hmuller> nemo:  network-manager does the job well with the intel 4965
[23:00] <crimsun> 17:55      crimsun > DanaG: no, I'm referring to proc.sys.vm
[23:00] <crimsun> 17:55      crimsun > DanaG: keep in mind things like readahead.
[23:00]  * iMatter looks at nemo
[23:01] <DanaG> Hmm, what was the last thing you saw me say?
[23:01]  * hmuller looks at iMatter looking at nemo
[23:01]  * jbroome looks at a glass onion
[23:01] <Some_Person> why does it say "Opening 0 items" in the taskbar when opening firefox?
 Oh, and ksoftirqd is also showing up.
[23:01] <linas> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b5 and 1.9b5.
[23:01] <DanaG> aah.
[23:02] <DanaG> Hmm, what should I do about that disk activity?
[23:02] <Auctionedllama> nemo, it ruined everything D;
[23:02] <linas> So firefox stopped working for me, maybe a week ago ... and the message I get is " Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b5 and 1.9b5."
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: means you did it wrong, no doubt.
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you remembered to update /etc/fstab too right
[23:03] <DanaG> Sometimes I'll go on battery and it'll be fine.  Other times, it'll be messed up like that once-per-second write.
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> nemo, all the boot options are dead, and when i go to start windows, I can still choose ubuntu, but it won't login, it takes me to commands
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> aww hell
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> How do I get back in to edit it?
[23:03] <nemo> Auctionedllama: mount it off a CD
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> erm, how?
[23:03] <mirak> how can I exit a script cleanly with a key without doing a ctlr+c
[23:03] <mirak> ?
[23:04] <iMatter> well brb.
[23:04] <linas> mirak .. what you ask is not mormally possible,  .. why do you ask?
[23:04] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ... you're mucking with VMs and disc images and grub and you don't know how to mount a partition?
[23:04] <jbroome> awsm
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> lol?
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> erm
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> Yes
[23:04] <RAOF> mirak: Well, ctrl+c, generally :)
[23:05] <nemo> Auctionedllama: not a good idea.
[23:05] <mirak> linas: I have script with wget downloading forever. I want to be able to stop wget, and have still some commands cleaning stuffs after it's ended
[23:05] <Auctionedllama> ok, just explain what to do
[23:05] <jbroome> i guess GTFW isn't an appropriate response
[23:05] <RAOF> mirak: Oh.  Just kill wget.
[23:05] <mirak> in fact I have a sopcast stream, and I wget on the http://localhost/stream.asf
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> so
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> liek
[23:06] <linas> mirak, from the command-line, do "ps aux |grep wget"  then kill for the pid, and "kill -9 " the pid
[23:06] <jbroome> or pkill wget
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> I can login to command line
[23:06] <linas> mirak, I think "killall wget" will do this in an easier manner
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> what do I do from there?
[23:06] <RAOF> linas: It's generally a better idea to send SIGTERM before you SIGKILL.
[23:06] <nemo> linas: I'm a fan of psauwx :)
[23:06] <nemo> linas: more to grep on
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> nemo, you there mate?
[23:06] <jbroome> the linux cat, there are many ways to skin it
[23:07] <linas> yes, right!
[23:07] <nemo> linas: ps auwx | grep wget | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill
[23:07] <nemo> :)
[23:07] <hads> You should be able to hanle the signal too.
[23:07] <RAOF> linas: That gives wget a chance to exit semi-normally.  If it doesn't do that, _then_ sigkill :)
[23:07] <linas> nemo tell thaat ti mirak not me
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> nemo, suppose you could halp mate?
[23:07] <nemo> Auctionedllama: *sigh*
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> And if you were talking about mounting a disc on bootup, I know how to do that..
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> Like a CD on bootup
[23:08] <hads> http://fvue.nl/wiki/Bash:_Catch_error
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/adirectoryicreated
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you know how to do that right
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[23:08] <mirak> linas: but there is no command that can hog the keyboard and exit on some command ?
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I type that into grub?
[23:08] <nemo> Auctionedllama: nooo. I said boot off a live CD and fix it
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> Ya well
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I don't have a live cd
[23:08] <nemo> make one
[23:08] <nemo> good thing to have
[23:08] <linas> soo ... dumb question: everyone has updated to the latest hardy in the last few days, and firefox works for them, yes?
[23:08] <nemo> especially if you are doing this kind of thing
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> how do i get one?
[23:08] <nemo> download it and burn it.
[23:08] <Auctionedllama> I have the alternate disc and the desktop eddition
[23:09] <nemo> fine. those work
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> Is the alternate a live?
[23:09] <crimsun> (no)
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> Ya.. well both won't boot.. I choose them and it skips it
[23:09] <Auctionedllama> like it loads for a sec.. but then goes straight to grub
[23:09] <nemo> linas: I've had some issues with firebug.
[23:09] <nemo> linas: since firebug works in a separate profile, something happened to mine in latest update
[23:10] <Auctionedllama> nemo, bah, I am confused
[23:10] <RAOF> nemo: Oh?  There's a ff3-compatible firebug?
[23:10] <nemo> need to figure out what, might have to recreate profile after backing up settings. that'll be a pain
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: well, I was using ff3 for a while. not sure if it is a general bug or just my bad luck
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: I've already tried resetting almost every user defined setting in about:config - and wiping localstore.rdf
[23:10] <nemo> RAOF: not stressed. I'll figure it out
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo, sorry to bother you mate.. but can you get me a link to a live cd?
[23:11] <TwoD> I'm having troubles with constant kernel panics when accessing files on one (or possibly more) of my hdd's. (Don't know which one, got no clue how to actually identify which device corresponds to which physical disk...) For example, it happens each time I try to unpack a large file, comp just freezes and numlock blinks. No errors or anything. Got the advice to use smartctl and mcelog but I have no clue how to actually make those do anyth
[23:11] <TwoD> ing useful... No wonder people run back to Windoze when Linux does something like this hehe..
[23:11] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you said you had the desktop edition
[23:11] <nemo> Auctionedllama: that is a live CD
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: I do..
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: do I run it on bootup? cause that doesn't work
[23:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> 0_o no one downloaded or has a link of the blue heron? dang i wish i had saved that image or link can on i know someone has it, not the ones from gnome look but the one posted in ubuntuforums?
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> nemo: it just skips over it and goes straight to grub
[23:11] <Auctionedllama> unless I run it in windows
[23:12] <nemo> Auctionedllama: well. probably need to change your boot settings in your bios
[23:12] <Auctionedllama> uhm.. well other bootdiscs work
[23:12] <linas> nemo, my firefox doesn't work due to bug 201938 and that bug seems to be marked low prioruty
[23:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201938 in xulrunner-1.9 "Conflicts has not been updated for ~b4 (firefox cannot start after xulrunner upgrade)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201938
[23:12] <Auctionedllama> is it just the disc or?
[23:12] <nemo> TwoD: oh. right. windows has never crashed on large files :-p
[23:12] <linas> ubotu, yes, that's the one
[23:12] <nemo> TwoD: not really enough detail to form a useful response though
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, never like this...
[23:13] <hmuller> linas: ubotu is a robot, not real
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: out of curiosity, does Magic SysRQ still work?
[23:13] <kahrytan> nemo->  right, windows doesnt
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: you haven't used windows long enough then...
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, say what?
[23:13] <hmuller> linas:  you mentioned a bug, and it displayed the bug information
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: has crashed for me in all kinds of creative ways :-p
[23:13] <TwoD> nemo, is 10+ years enough?
[23:13] <linas> what does "Incomplete" mean on the bug report?
[23:13] <nemo> TwoD: well, is less than me, but whatever.
[23:13] <_Rambaldi> no way, thereis a robot in here?
[23:14] <nemo> TwoD: fine. you've just been unnaturally lucky
[23:14] <hmuller> linas: that generally means more information is needed by the developers
[23:14] <nemo> TwoD: or had very simple HW configurations
[23:14] <kahrytan> nemo->  I havent had windows do that
[23:14] <nemo> kahrytan: blue screen due to a HD error?
[23:14] <nemo> kahrytan: never?
[23:14] <hmuller> !uboto > _Rambaldi
[23:14] <kahrytan> nemo->  in XP, never had BSoD
[23:14] <_Rambaldi> i was kidding hmuller, you realise that
[23:15] <hmuller> _Rambaldi: =) I do now ...
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, bah, how do I edit my bios then? I really want to get this running
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: yeah. you've been pretty damn lucky too.  have had 'em due to HD errors, device issues, just for no good reason...
[23:15] <kahrytan> nemo->  never had single BSoD for Xp for any reason.
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: bad memory
[23:15] <nemo> kahrytan: lots of reasons.
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I'm in my bios setup now..
[23:15] <TwoD> don't think so... anyways, I'm not here to put more firewood on the windows vs linux debate. I want to know how to actually get some useful info from a kernel panic, and how to possibly diagnose my hdds (which do work fine in windoze ;P)
[23:15] <latitu> no sound in hardy........ any help? i have kernal 16
[23:15] <Auctionedllama> nemo, what do I change?
[23:15] <nemo> TwoD: well. if you're going to start with a statement like "windows doesn't do this" in a linux support channel... :-p
[23:16] <kahrytan> nemo->  98se is different story. but not for those reasons.
[23:16] <nemo> TwoD: anyway, does MagicSysRQ work?
[23:16] <nemo> kahrytan: NT core ain't bad, but it was far from a stable beastie.
[23:16] <hmuller> latitu: What sound card do you have?
[23:16] <nemo> Auctionedllama: I don't know your bios. JFGI
[23:16] <TwoD> nemo, sorry I forgot you asked that before. I'm not familiar with that.
[23:16] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you might want to take a little initiative here
[23:16] <nemo> TwoD: oh. and did anything get dumped to syslog before the crash?
 latitu_, I had no sound at first, but then, with a later kernel in Hardy, it started working again.  linas . which kernal?
[23:17] <kahrytan> nemo->  you could be an unlucky person/
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller dont know
[23:17] <nemo> TwoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[23:17] <m1r> Auctionedllama: try press f1-f12 buttons and maybe u get boot options for certain device
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller how to check
[23:17] <latitu> hmuller i have intel dual core. sound card is builtin i thing
[23:17] <kahrytan> m1r->  dont forget delete key
[23:17] <nemo> kahrytan: or used more machines.
[23:17] <hmuller> latitu: run this in a terminal $ lspci | grep Audio
[23:17] <nemo> kahrytan: or worked on more development environments
[23:17] <thatGuy_> any reason why sudo would stop working? after attempting to run something, it goes directly back to command prompt without stating 'incorrect password' or anything
[23:17] <TwoD> nemo, no. I've looked through the syslog and kernel log after many of these freezes, but nothing. I've even had them open while the panic happened.
[23:18] <nemo> kahrytan: if you're only working on some laptop with windows preinstalled and heavily tested by manufacturer, sure, I can believe you'll never get a blue screen :)
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[23:18] <kahrytan> nemo->  I've only had 3 pcs in 10 years.
[23:18] <hmuller> latitu:   sweet, you are in luck ...
[23:18] <crimsun> latitu: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash
[23:18] <nemo> kahrytan: I've only had 2. of course, the pieces got replaced a lot
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller iwas working before with gutsy
[23:18] <Auctionedllama> Well, I am screwed it seems
[23:18] <hmuller> latitu:  Open up volume control ...
[23:18] <_Rambaldi> what command are you running with sudo thatGuy
[23:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> if i wnated flash in firefox3b5 which should i choose to install i.e. adobe flash, Swfdec player, gnash sfw?
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller ya..
[23:18] <latitu> hmuller ya..then?
[23:19] <latitu> crimsun whats that.
[23:19] <thatGuy_> _Rambaldi: I've tried several.  aptitude, cat on root files, etc.
[23:19] <crimsun> Baby_Shambl3s: by default, probably flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport
[23:19] <hmuller> latitu: select Edit > Preferences ...
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: well. playing around with magic sysrq might get you more info. dunno
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: I assumed you've fscked the discs.  also. what filesystems are you using?
[23:19] <hmuller> latitu: then check the surround box, then make sure it is all the way up
[23:19] <TwoD> nemo, ah now I know what you mean, haven't tried the magic keys actually. Was afraid I might hurt something hehe
[23:19] <TwoD> ntfs hehe =P
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: magic is strongly recommended.
[23:19] <Some_Person> Uh oh, I got the "Not all updates can be installed" message
[23:19] <nemo> OH GEEZ
[23:19] <nemo> TwoD: DUDE!!!
[23:19] <thatGuy_> even sudo vi goes directly back to command prompt.  i haven't edited the sudoers file, or been using the computer as root
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> hey nemo.. is there any way to edit that file from the command prompt I am getting for ubuntu?
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: you're annoyed that a REVERSE ENGINEERED file system driver is causing crashes?
[23:20] <linas> latitu, the current latest Hardy kernel works for me
[23:20] <TwoD> Told you they run fine in windows, what else would (cept fat...)
[23:20] <nemo> oh god
[23:20] <nemo> anyway.
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> name ?
[23:20] <Auctionedllama> nemo?
[23:20] <hmuller> latitu:  results?
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: good luck with that. try kicking up log levels and I guess you could file a bug
[23:20] <nemo> TwoD: but seriously. isn't like microsoft has published specifications for these poor bastards
[23:20] <TwoD> nemo, no, I'm annoyed they've worked before upgrading to Hardy.
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: windows can do bad things if you mount ext3
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: and that spec is friggen documented.
[23:21] <TwoD> yeah, that's why I'm not doing it that way...
[23:21] <nemo> TwoD: ah. then. I guess you should file a bug quickly then, before the release...
[23:21] <Alex_Gaynor> I have a machine here with a belkin F5D7050 that I just installed the Hardy Heron RC on, it seems to see a wireless network, prompts me for the WPA key, however it is never able to connect,  I am using the same network with a laptop right next to it, and the wifi works fine under windows, I assume I screwed something up with the config, is there a way I can reset everything related to the...
[23:21] <Some_Person> Hey! What does this mean: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1759/screenshotupdatemanagercf1.png
[23:21] <Alex_Gaynor> ...wlan0 interface?
[23:22] <TwoD> nemo, but I don't know what to put in the bug report, as I have no clue what's causing the bug yet hehe
[23:22] <hmuller> Some_Person: looks like a link to a picture
[23:22] <nemo> TwoD: you don't even have a reproducible file action? like creating a 4 gig file or something?
[23:22] <fAlCoNNiAn> hmuller, LOL
[23:22] <Some_Person> hmuller: Yeah, I know that. What should I do though?
[23:22] <lucasv1> hi
[23:22] <lucasv1> are there any known stability issues in FF?
[23:22] <fAlCoNNiAn> Some_Person, when did you start getting that error
[23:23] <lucasv1> my FF regularly crashes and eats up 100% of my cpu
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: Just now when I opened Update manager
[23:23] <nemo> TwoD: you're using the userspace driver right?
[23:23] <hmuller> Some_Person: run the partial, then run update-manager again
[23:23] <m1r> lucasv1: ff is beta
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: ok, thanks
[23:23] <hmuller> Some_Person: if it can't do everything today, don't worry, it'll finish later
[23:23] <Some_Person> hmuller: ok
[23:23] <lucasv1> m1r: but there are only a few days left till the release, right?
[23:23] <fAlCoNNiAn> lucasv1, the 24th
[23:23] <m1r> nothing to do with ff
[23:24] <lucasv1> yeah.
[23:24] <hmuller> fAlCoNNiAn: =) that's the literal in me
[23:24] <lucasv1> fAlCoNNiAn: what version of FF will you ship with HH?
[23:24] <TwoD> nemo, tbh I actually forgot I was running ntfs filesystems (as they've worked smoothly before, which I'm very grateful for) until you brought it up. I'm using the ntfs-3g driver I installed while in Gutsy. Didn't know of any others, if they're not the same.
[23:24] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone on how to completely reset all wireless settings for a given interface?
[23:25] <TwoD> blah, need to proofread what I type lol
[23:25] <Auctionedllama> nemo, I'm back into hardy.. what was the file you wanted me to change?
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there are several, yes
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there is the kernel read/write support which last I checked doesn't support file creation
[23:25] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: define 'reset' more?
[23:25] <nemo> TwoD: there is ntfs-3g and ntfstools for userspace
[23:26] <nemo> Auctionedllama: /etc/fstab ...
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[23:26] <nemo> Auctionedllama: you should consider doing IRC on another machine so you don't have to keep asking things over
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> I'm on another machine
[23:26] <Auctionedllama> I had too
[23:26] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: When I originally set this machine up I had to play with some trying to get wifi set up from cli using iwconfig, I'm afraid I may have messed something up with the interface, because it can see the network, asks for my password, but refuses to connect, even though I'm using the same network rihgt next to it
[23:27] <kahrytan_> Now I know how people feel when system completely locks up
[23:27] <TwoD> nemo, I can duplicate the kernel panic by unpacking a ~4gb rar packet (multipart)... gets to about 800mb and then boom...
[23:27] <m1r> Alex_Gaynor: /etc/network/interfaces - cehck there
[23:27] <fAlCoNNiAn> lucasv1, i believe that firefox 3 will be shipped with HH
[23:27] <nemo> TwoD: file a bug then.
[23:28] <_derspankster> with few FF extensions
[23:28] <Alex_Gaynor> m1r: It gives me a command not found
[23:28] <nemo> TwoD: ideally with both ubuntu and ntfs-3g
[23:28] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: trying to remember iwconfig before I started using network-manager
[23:28] <TwoD> nemo, I could also replicate it before by trying to recheck incomplete downloads in µTorrent. But that was resolved by deleting the incomplete files and starting over (leaving the complete files from the torrent package)
[23:28] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: mlr means you should READ that, not run it
[23:29] <m1r> Alex_Gaynor: it is file for your network devices list
[23:29] <Alex_Gaynor> m1r, hmuller : Just realized that it has: `auto lo \n iface low inet loopback`
[23:30] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: that's the same thing mine has
[23:30] <nemo> TwoD: I don't use the windows partition for anything that drastic. some a/v and firefox partition
[23:31] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: maybe you could right-click network manager, select 'Edit Wireless Networks' and delete the entry, and redo it?
[23:31] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Hrm, it's a Belkin F5D7050(USB G), since it sees the network and such I don't think its a driver issue, is it possible that it is
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: I still don't trust a *REVERSE ENGINEERED* driver that much :-p
[23:31] <TwoD> I've got 5 disks with ntfs partitions hehe
[23:31] <TwoD> 1TB+
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: why?
[23:31] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: There are none listed(probably since it can never actually connect)
[23:31] <m1r> reformat to ext3 TwoD;)
[23:31] <nemo> TwoD: I have that much, but all ext3
[23:31] <nemo> m1r: amen
[23:31] <linxeh> nemo: most of the older linux drivers are reverse engineered.
[23:32] <linxeh> nemo: they seem to be pretty rock solid...
[23:32] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: What type of AP are you trying to connect to?
[23:32] <TwoD> cause I dual boot and had windows installed years before linux?
[23:32] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Another Belkin G network, WPA  encryption(I'm connecting to it fine from this laptop)
[23:32] <nemo> linxeh: um. bit of a difference between a video driver and something manipulating a complex file tree
[23:32] <Lunks> I can't do anything about my wireless through network manager. It's simply not listed there. =\
[23:32] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: Which is also running HH
[23:32] <linxeh> nemo: depends how important your files are ;-)
[23:32] <nemo> linxeh: sure. I'll trust a reverse engineered network driver - because it isn't going to erase my porn when it starts dropping packets
[23:33] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: thinking ...
[23:33] <linxeh> nemo: sure :) but then you'd store your porn and any other important files on a well understood filesystem :)
[23:33] <nemo> TwoD: anyway, I see no mention of a 4GiB limit on ntfs-3g oddly enough
[23:33] <Alex_Gaynor> hmuller: k
[23:33] <nemo> linxeh: absolutely. I trust my porn to ext3 :-p
[23:34] <linxeh> :)
[23:34] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: currently rereading iwconfig manpage ...
[23:34] <nabcore> what driver is actually using? acx?
[23:34] <TwoD> nemo, I've handled larger files than that before, which is why I'm suspecting a bad disk. ntfs-3g drivers might not be solid enough to handle bad sectors or something like that yet?
[23:35] <nemo> hmuller: um. sorry to be a nag, but your passphrase has no spaces or special chars or quote marks, right?
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: well. I did ask you if you'd fscked
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: that was code for "bad disc"
[23:35] <TwoD> and I said I don't know how
[23:35] <nemo> TwoD: heck. that's what causes most of my windows blue screens. bad memory, bad disc, bad HW, occasionally bad HD or trying something too aggressive...
[23:35] <hmuller> nemo: you mean for my wireless connection?  If so, I use special characters, but only after alphanumeric
[23:36] <hmuller> nemo: I'm not having the issue Alex_Gaynor is
[23:36] <TwoD> true I guess
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: oh. I thought you were failing to associate
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: I had filed a bug on that with my driver only to discover the flaw wasn't in the driver
[23:36] <nemo> hmuller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217809/comments/4
[23:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[23:37] <hmuller> nemo: no, Alex_Gaynor previously set his wireless interface up using iwconfig.  As far as I remember iwconfig doesn't store settings?
[23:37] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: in this particular case I was getting errors from iwconfig on ifup/ifdown...
[23:37] <hmuller> nemo:  That's interesting, but he's using a Belkin
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: but ok. just suggesting he change his passphrase to something simple
[23:37] <nemo> hmuller: right. well. the error was not in the driver
[23:37] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: are you following the conversationi?
[23:38] <Alex_Gaynor> More or less
[23:38] <Alex_Gaynor> No special chars anywhere
[23:38] <hmuller> nemo: sorry I didn't read the whole thing
[23:38] <TwoD> nemo, does fsck even handle ntfs?
[23:38] <nemo> Alex_Gaynor: oh well. was worth a shot I guess
[23:38] <jbroome> TwoD: i doubt it
[23:38] <nemo> TwoD: 'course not. you'll have to do it in windows
[23:38] <Krzzzz> i got a quick question.. how do i go by on checking why the GDM login screen no longer has the option to restart shutdown etc they just dissapeared. any ideas?
[23:38] <nemo> TwoD: then after you replace the bad disc in your raid you can start moving data to the new ext3 raid :-p
[23:39] <nemo> TwoD: windows will never notice difference when you network mount it :)
[23:39] <TwoD> It's on the same comp...
[23:39] <nemo> Alex_Gaynor: no spaces either right? all alphanumeric?
[23:40] <Alex_Gaynor> nemo: Yeah
[23:40] <nemo> TwoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chkdsk
[23:40] <xtknight> how do i debug a crash in which even Magic SysRq+B does not reboot the pc?
[23:40] <Auctionedllama> nemo, since I am confused, and I drastically need help, mind if I pastebin my grub and my fstab and you tell me what to change
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> nemo, is that possible mate?
[23:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: sorry. I'm going home. get help from channel
[23:41] <TwoD> nemo, thanks, already know how to use chkdsk, was hoping there was a linux way tho...
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> Crapppppp
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> ok
[23:41] <nemo> Auctionedllama: the problem is a straightforward one. fix your UUIDs to match your new disc layout
[23:41] <hmuller> Alex_Gaynor: regarding your earlier comment about iwconfig, I don't think iwconfig stores a configuration ...
[23:41] <Alex_Gaynor> nemo, hmuller: I gotta run for a few minutes, I'll be back iin a little bit, thanks for the help so far, when I get back hopefully I can get this figured out
[23:41] <Auctionedllama> ya well fsast is vey confusing
[23:41] <nemo> TwoD: I seriously would not trust aforementioned reverse engineered driver to fix bad sectors
[23:42] <quentusrex> Does anyone know about the bug with pop up windows? such as program alerts?
[23:42] <Auctionedllama> nemo, fstab is terribly confusing, not sure what to change
[23:42] <nemo> Auctionedllama: ... the UUID
[23:42] <nemo> anyway. going away.
[23:42] <Auctionedllama> there is none nemo,
[23:42] <TwoD> nemo, thanks for your time
[23:42] <quentusrex> I've had gnome crash multiple times on me because of the pop up window that is opened after running synaptic
[23:42] <Pici> quentusrex: Do you have a bug #?
[23:43] <quentusrex> and I just had gnome nearly crash when vlc opened a warning window
[23:43] <Pici> I've never had that happen
[23:43] <quentusrex> Pici, no, I was checking to see if anyone else had heard of it first.
[23:43] <LARefugee> hello! I have a prob with audio. Any experts about?
[23:43] <mvo_> quentusrex: did that happen during a gutsy->hardy upgrade? or when you installed packages within a distribution (e.g. hardy package when running hardy)?
[23:44] <Auctionedllama> ok, uhm, to explain, my grub is all screwed up, none of my options will start, and I moved my hardy to a partition, and I can't get it to boot into it.. can I post my grub/menu.ls and my fstab and you guys tell me what to change? I really need help.. bad
[23:44] <quentusrex> I upgraded to hardy from gutsy, but it happened weeks after the upgrade
[23:44] <quentusrex> and I have a fully updated system.
[23:44] <quentusrex> and it was when I installed hardy packages on hardy...
[23:44] <hmuller> LARefugee: the word 'expert' is relative, ask your question!
[23:45] <quentusrex> well, do you mind helping me diagnosing what just happened?
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> OK, here is my grub http://pastebin.com/m49d0cb75
[23:45] <quentusrex> also, keep in mind something
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> and here is my fstab http://pastebin.com/m2fa418a9
[23:45] <LARefugee> hmuller: ok. I get a hissing then pop noise every 4-5 seconds. Audio in apps breaks up, fades in, then breaks up again.
[23:45] <quentusrex> I can't see what you type anymore...
[23:45] <Auctionedllama> Can you guys look at those and tell me what to change?
[23:45] <quentusrex> atleast not for another line or two
[23:46] <quentusrex> I can't move or change window selection
[23:46] <hmuller> LARefugee: that's out of my league, if crimsun is around, he may be able to help
[23:46] <quentusrex> now I can read...
[23:46] <quentusrex> :(
[23:47] <quentusrex> Either compiz, or something died, because I can't change windows(selected windows) or change my workspace
[23:47] <quentusrex> I don't see the brown bar above a window
[23:47] <quentusrex> At the top of the windows are File Edit... etc
[23:47] <quentusrex> I can't move windows, or resize
[23:47]  * hmuller is of to enjoy the rest of his birthday
[23:48] <quentusrex> I take that back. I can resize a window
[23:48] <quentusrex> if the window has the resize 'grip' on the bottom right
[23:48] <quentusrex> :(
[23:49] <Gnine> retricted driver manager cant enable proprietary (nvidia) driver.
[23:49] <peeps[work]> is it possible to run regular 32bit java jdk on 64bit ubuntu?
[23:49] <b4l74z4r> hi, there seem to be a problem playing di.fm radio streams in banshee, regular streams work, but when i log in to get access to higher bitrate streams, they won't play and it says (missing) in the station title
[23:50] <LARefugee> hmuller: thanks
[23:50] <Auctionedllama> guys, whats the command to get the UUID's for my partitions?
[23:50] <quentusrex> Pici, do you have any idea what just died on my system?
[23:50] <Pici> quentusrex: Sounds like it would be compiz
[23:50] <LARefugee> Auctionedllama: man -k uuid
[23:51] <LARefugee> Auctionedllama: vol_id I believe
[23:52] <quentusrex> what is the alt print screen command? and letters?
[23:54] <peeps[work]> is there really no reason to run a 64bit os unless you have >4gb ram?
[23:54] <jbroome> pretty  much
[23:55] <Pici> Unless you have a specific application that benefits from running in 64bits, and then you usually know it
[23:55] <Gnine> jockey is not allowing to enable proprietary (nvidia) driver.
[23:55] <tomasko> peeps[work]: you get more registers but there are very few niche areas where they are actually properly used (like video encoding and other number crunching applications)
[23:56] <peeps[work]> damn, i guess I'm a moron
[23:57] <Gnine> jockey fails to recognize any proprietary driver.  need wiki. do it
[23:58] <Gnine> maybe i should try sending jockey to trash bin .. but then updates would probably conflict with that
[23:59] <dovlaz> does anyone know what divers will 8.04 support off the cd for broadcom wireless? (xps 1330)??