[03:01] <crimsun> timing: please follow up on the bug.
[04:28] <osmosis> What is different in the -virtual kernel ?
[04:33] <bullgard4> "~$ lsmod | grep 8139; 8139cp 24704 0; 8139too 27520 0." I would like to prevent that one of the 2 modules will be loaded because after a while after booting my computer looses its LAN connection. How to prevent 8139cp from being loaded at boot time?
[04:34] <bullgard4> (There is no modules.conf.)
[04:45] <crimsun> e.g., echo blacklist 8139cp|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:54] <bullgard4> crimsun: There is no /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.
[04:56] <sn9> then you're not running ubuntu
[05:00] <bullgard4> sn9: "~$ cat /etc/issue: Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l"
[05:01] <sn9> then you have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:02] <bullgard4> sn9: Your statement is false. I have checked that by using mc.
[05:03] <sn9> pastebin ls /etc/modprobe.d/
[05:08] <bullgard4> sn9: "~$ ls /etc/modprobe.d; aliases, alsa-base; arch; arch-aliases, blacklist20080116; blacklist.dpkg-dist; blacklist-framebuffer; blacklist-modem; blacklist-oss; blacklist-scanner; blacklist-watchdog; bluez; fuse; fuse; ipw3945; isapnp; libpisock9; libsane; lrm-video; nvidia-kernel-nkc; options; toshiba_acpi.modprobe." 
[05:11] <sn9> type: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:15] <bullgard4> sn9: "~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a" does not produce an output. A following "~$ls /etc/modprobe.d/" obtains the old result.
[05:16] <sn9> why is there a "blacklist20080116" and a "blacklist.dpkg-dist" in there?
[05:20] <bullgard4> I have made a backup file "blacklist20080116" on 16th of January 2008 because my Gutsy did not work properly with my framebuffer console. Subsequently my framebuffer console did work all right. --  I do not know why there is a 'blacklist.dpkg-dist' file. May be I knew but if so, I have forgotten.
[05:22] <sn9> the filenames are ignored -- the fact that it's in that folder means it gets used
[05:23] <bullgard4> sn9: I am sorry but I do not understand your message. Pleas say it in other words.
[05:24] <sn9> your renaming from "blacklist" to "blacklist20080116" did nothing, because the name of the file does not matter
[05:25] <sn9> it's still in that folder, and that's what counts
[05:25] <sn9> touble is, you have two of them now
[05:26] <sn9> you should delete both, and immediately reinstall the pkg that owns it
[05:27] <bullgard4> sn9: In January 2008 I made a backup copy of the 'blacklist' file then. 
[05:27] <bullgard4> The original 'blacklist' file has gone.
[05:27] <sn9> but that was gutsy, and you're on hardy now
[05:28]  * sn9 refrains from yelling "do as i say!"
[05:29] <bullgard4> Yes, and I have not changed anything in the /etc/modprobe.d directory by hand myself.
[05:29] <sn9> except making the backup
[05:29] <sn9> that was a change, and one you shouldn't have done
[05:30] <bullgard4> sn9: I have made the backup in January 2008 and changed the 'blacklist' file subsequently. But this was under the Gutsy reign.
[05:30] <sn9> if you need to add additional blacklist entries, you should always create a new cfile for them, not edit existing ones
[05:30] <sn9> s/cfile/file/
[05:32] <bullgard4> Hm, if I made a mistake in Gutsy, how can I repair this faulty Hardy configuration now?
[05:32] <sn9> i just told you
[05:32] <sn9> you should delete both, and immediately reinstall the pkg that owns it
[05:34] <bullgard4> I do not understand what you mean by "the package that owns it". What DEB program package do you mean?
[05:35] <sn9> sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist20080116 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.dpkg-dist ; sudo apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools
[05:44] <bullgard4> I have done so. Now "~$ls /etc/modprobe.d does not show a 'blacklist' file either.
[06:15] <sn9> it redownloaded and reinstalled, right?
[07:29] <bullgard4> Yes.
[09:22] <bigcx2> hey all
[09:22] <bigcx2> i'm trying to do a custom kernel with the hardy release candidate live cd
[09:23] <bigcx2> and i've gotten it to boot but i get hung on:
[09:23] <bigcx2> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1, 0)
[09:23] <bigcx2> and i've googled the crap out of it
[09:23] <bigcx2> i get a bunch of answers like
[09:24] <bigcx2> enable X in your config and it will work, etc.
[09:24] <bigcx2> but I can't get anything to fly
[09:24] <bigcx2> i was hoping the pro's might have some ideas
[09:24] <bigcx2> here's my config:
[09:25] <bigcx2> http://clecol.net/config
[09:25] <bigcx2> if anything is glaringly obvious i would appreciate the help 
[09:26] <bigcx2> my e-mail is ccole2@mix.wvu.edu
[09:27] <bigcx2> thanks
[09:28] <amitk> bigcx2: have you recompiled l-u-m on the live cd?
[10:31] <soren> bigcx2: unknown-block(1, 0) smells like a problem loading your initramfs.
[10:32] <soren> bigcx2: Oh, live cd, you say?
[10:33] <soren> bigcx2: Remastered live cd with your own kernel, is it?
[10:34] <amitk> soren: he proabably left out unionfs/squashfs
[10:35] <soren> amitk: Probably, yeah.
[10:35] <soren> *shrug*
[11:44] <Kano> hi, why do you use old drivers for pdc old? it would work fine with new pata ones. also when can we expect 2.6.24.5 merged?
[11:47] <amitk> Kano: 2.6.24.5 will not be merged
[11:47] <Kano> why not? as update?
[11:47] <amitk> only important fixes will be cherry picked
[11:47] <Kano> see no reason to do that
[11:48] <amitk> Kano: we have some reasons - chief among them being avoiding introducing more regressions
[11:53] <Kano> is there a power pc iso somewhere?
[12:12] <maks_> ppc ubuntu is dropped afaik Kano 
[12:12] <Kano> but there is still a powerpc part in the kernel?
[12:15] <BenC> Kano: there are still ppc iso's
[12:15] <BenC> Kano: look in ports on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:16] <Kano> thx
[12:17] <BenC> Kano: And in regard to 2.6.24.5, we don't have the luxury of being able to merge without concern...regressions are a real issue (we've had them before because of .y updates)
[12:18] <Kano> well 2.6.24.4 is used or not?
[12:18] <BenC> Kano: we are at .3 + cherry picks from .y
[12:19] <Kano> hmm
[12:19] <BenC> We'll probably look into a full sync for 8.04.1
[12:19] <BenC> which is just a little more than 3 months away
[12:19] <Kano> is there a way to sync it manually?
[12:20] <BenC> Check out our git and pull from 2.6.24.y :)
[12:20] <Kano> have to look into that how that works...
[12:20] <BenC> Basically git-clone of our tree, and git-pull of the 2.6.24.y stable git URL
[12:21] <Kano> ah
[12:21] <Kano> will try that now
[12:23] <Kano> is there already a 2.6.25 git for u?
[12:31] <Yetiszaf> is there something more powerfull than SysRQ for debugging? I currently have a fresh hardy-install that crashes randomly so hard that SysRQ is not responding any more.
[12:32] <Kano> Yetiszaf: fglrx used?
[12:33] <Yetiszaf> Kano: Nope. 
[12:33] <Yetiszaf> it's using madwifi and nvidia, but it has to be madwifi then.
[12:34] <Yetiszaf> and I can't get any information out since it virtually stops at zero.
[12:34] <Kano> i guess so, try blacklist ath_pci
[12:34] <Kano> and use ndiswrapper instead
[12:35] <Yetiszaf> 'k. I'll try that when I'm home.
[12:35] <Yetiszaf> anything known about special Cards crashing?
[12:35] <Kano> or disable it using the restricted modules tool
[12:37] <Yetiszaf> thanks.
[12:42] <Yetiszaf> Anything else that can be done to get more information from the kernel?
[12:42] <Kano> BenC: well a "trivial" merge does not seem to be possible
[12:42] <Kano> BenC: http://paste.debian.net/1240
[13:06] <alex_joni> cjwatson: ping
[13:26] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[13:31] <Florob> Hi, I was wondering how the prepare-ppa-source script in git is meant to be used, because it just deleted my git branch twice (my branch is in linux-2.6.24 and the script does "rm -rf ../linux*")
[13:37] <cjwatson> alex_joni: pong
[13:39] <alex_joni> cjwatson: short question, if it's not a bother.. do you remember where the /etc/apt/sources.list for an installed system gets created? (I need to add a custom repo, and don't seem to remember - it was something casper related iirc)
[13:48] <cjwatson> alex_joni: apt-setup
[13:49] <cjwatson> alex_joni: in the case of a desktop installation it's borged into the ubiquity package, /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/
[13:49] <alex_joni> cjwatson: oh, that's right.. thanks
[13:54] <alex_joni> cjwatson: and that is used both when installing from the Live system and when using the boot option to install?
[13:57] <cjwatson> yeah
[13:58] <alex_joni> nifty :)
[14:18] <cjwatson> BenC: did you get anywhere with that hang during installation?
[14:18] <BenC> cjwatson: I'm writing up a summary of what I've done over the weekend
[14:45] <Jeeves_> Can anyone here form an answer on my last question in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/58170 ?
[14:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58170 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Kernel race condition if nfs mounts present on real or virtual nodes [kernel BUG at lib/radix-tree.c]" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[14:51] <sn9> is help.ubuntu.com down for anybody else?
[14:53] <sn9> i was in the middle of editing a page
[14:53] <elmo> it should be back now
[15:34] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[15:39] <BenC> mjg59: hey, have you looked into kernel mode setting at all?
[15:43] <Jeeves_> I guess not?
[15:43] <tjaalton> BenC: is .25 or .26 planned for Intrepid? kernel mode-setting might make it in .27 AIUI
[15:44] <BenC> tjaalton: .26, but we might consider pulling in the feature
[15:44] <rtg> tjaalton: no firm plan yet, but likely .26
[15:44] <tjaalton> yeah, that's what I had in mind too..
[15:49] <mjg59> BenC: To what extent?
[15:50] <BenC> mjg59: I'm interested in the feature in general, but haven't had a chance to look at it other than the simple article I read
[15:51] <tjaalton> bryce said that keithp hopes to rewrite it within a month or so :)
[15:51] <tjaalton> but this is second hand information..
[15:53] <mjg59> BenC: The model is basically to move the code in X that bangs the hardware into the kernel
[15:54] <mjg59> BenC: I'm not sure that the userland API is nailed down yet, so it probably won't hit mainline for a little while yet
[15:54] <BenC> mjg59: right, but I'm looking at the benefit of cleaner boot screens, vt switching, and linux BSOD type stuff
[15:54] <BenC> especially the latter
[15:55] <mjg59> The BSOD stuff hasn't been implemented yet
[15:55] <BenC> That's what I figured...sound like a good project for ubuntu though
[15:58] <BenC> the improved suspend/resume was another bonus
[15:58] <BenC> even if this is all just for intel gfx at the moment
[16:07] <bigcx2_> hey all
[16:08] <bigcx2_> how would i call debian/rules if i just wanted to build unionfs and squashfs 
[16:08] <bigcx2_> for l-u-m
[16:09] <bigcx2_> or even all of the fs/
[16:12] <Kano> you would need to change the config, but usally you should build sound too
[16:13] <bigcx2_> i don't need sound
[16:14] <amitk> bigcx2_: just edit debian/config/i386 to your liking
[16:14] <bigcx2_> Kano: which config are you talking about
[16:14] <bigcx2_> hm
[16:14] <Kano> the default config has no sound card support
[16:15] <bigcx2_> mk
[16:15] <bigcx2_> gotcha
[16:28] <bigcx2_> it's failing on d-i stuff
[16:28] <bigcx2_> which i don't want
[16:28] <bigcx2_> No module interdependencies found. This probably means your modules.dep is broken.
[16:28] <bigcx2_> If this is intentional, touch /usr/src/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/d-i-i386/no-modules
[16:28] <bigcx2_> which i did
[16:28] <bigcx2_> i touched it
[16:29] <bigcx2_> but somewhere along the line it got hosed
[16:30] <bigcx2_> this is my command: debian/rules binary-arch arch=i386 flavours="386"
[18:14] <tseliot> tjaalton: did you have a look at Bug #36625?
[18:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36625
[18:15] <tseliot> it looks like adding a simple || true to the end of the lines would solve the problem
[18:58] <tjaalton> tseliot: hmm, to the end of which lines?
[19:06] <tseliot> tjaalton: have a look at this file:
[19:06] <tseliot> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13643439/nvidia-glx-new.postrm
[19:07] <tseliot> and compare it with the original file
[19:08] <tseliot> ﻿tjaalton: of course you will have to patch the debian/nvidia-glx.postrm.in of the linux-restricted-module instead of that file.
[19:09] <tjaalton> ah right
[23:38] <soren> I'm still working on the hang-until-key-pressed thing in kvm. If you have any ideas at all, please don't hesitate to share them..