[00:00] <Daisuke_Ido> tsb_, i can assure you, you're not going to get a performance increase choosing generic or 386
[00:01] <snikker> Jucato: http://pastebin.com/d6dfc344a
[00:02] <tsb_> Daisuke_Ido: isn't it compiled with optimalizations for the platform? I realize they do very little usually, however if one is theoretically better suited than the other and it costs me nothing to use it why not..
[00:02] <DarkestHour> did you make any changes to your hardware snikker? like plugging the cd drives into the primary ide channel?
[00:03] <Daisuke_Ido> tsb_, when you install, it selects the kernel best suited for your hardware
[00:03] <snikker> DarkestHour: no, any changes was made
[00:03] <tsb_> Daisuke_Ido: I've been upgrading this thing for several years, I don't think I had the same hardware "back then"
[00:04]  * Daisuke_Ido shrugs
[00:04] <tsb_> Daisuke_Ido: anyway I'll just go with generic, thanks.
[00:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you got an answer, generic's going to be your best bet
[00:05] <DarkestHour> snikker, if possible could you shut the machine down and plug the cd drives into the secondary ide channel?
[00:07] <snikker> DarkestHour: in the secondary ide channel i've got an ide hard disk...
[00:09] <ScorpKing> i've updated my system (7.10) on the friday and now i see a lot of "APIC error on CPU0: 00(40)" in dmesg since then. the first one showed up in /var/log/debug:Apr 18 18:49:04 right after the upgrade. thunderbird also hangs a lot. any ideas/info?
[00:09] <DarkestHour> snikker: can you atleast switch one of the drives then?
[00:11] <snikker> DarkestHour: yes, i can
[00:12] <DarkestHour> ok, lets give it a shot.
[00:12] <snikker> ok now i try...
[00:13] <tomaz> Riddell: Sr, if I may interrupt you and have a brief talk about a bug that's annoying me,
[00:14] <tomaz> Riddell, You will not find that intrusive, whould you?
[00:14] <Riddell> tomaz: go on
[00:14] <tomaz> For i'm unable to boot my system, as it hangs just after being installed and upgraded, after the reboot,
[00:14] <tomaz> (the 8.04 version), not being able to find /sbin/init
[00:15] <Riddell> tomaz: you've done an install from an RC CD?
[00:15] <tomaz> yes, I did.
[00:15] <ScorpKing> tomaz: i have the same problem on one of my servers
[00:16] <tomaz> Well, nice to know that i'm not the only one, this means that's not my fault, And it's a real problem.
[00:16] <tomaz> So, let's start lookin' for something to fix o_o'
[00:16] <tomaz> Riddell: I'm your hands and eyes from now on, please use me as you ca.
[00:16] <tomaz> can*
[00:18] <ScorpKing> Riddell, tomaz: from what i've gathered it looks like a problem with SATA disks and grub/initrd being unable to find the root filesystem sometimes. i haven't had time though to look into yet
[00:18] <tomaz> I don't have a SATA disk
[00:18] <tomaz> I have a old' fluffy IDE Disk.
[00:18] <tomaz> but maybe, just MAYBE, my dad changed the disk's IDE's.
[00:19] <ScorpKing> tomaz: what motherboard do you have?
[00:20] <Riddell> tomaz: not my area I'm afraid, you'd need to ask some linux people
[00:20] <tomaz> an Asus A7V-something.
[00:20] <tomaz> Riddell: Np, thanks for your time =)
[00:20] <ScorpKing> tomaz: just looking for the motherboard invoice. one sec
[00:27] <snikker> i'm come back
[00:27] <ScorpKing> tomaz: sorry but the writing on the invoice is unreadable
[00:28] <tomaz> ScorpKing:, well, I had linux working here for about 3 years
[00:28] <tomaz> but this never happened, so, yeah, i'm a bit (completely) lost
[00:29] <snikker> DarkestHour:  i've unplugged the ide cable (with hd) and i can see the cd-rom driives (but i don't have the hd...)
[00:29] <ScorpKing> tomaz: i also have weird problems after upgrading to the latest kernel. maybe going back to the old one will solve it
[00:29] <snikker> DarkestHour:  and another thing happen...
[00:29] <ScorpKing> now my mouse stopped working :(
[00:30] <ScorpKing> it still moves but clicking doesn't work.
[00:30] <DarkestHour> snikker: what else happened?
[00:30] <ScorpKing> how do i downgrade a package in apt?
[00:31] <ScorpKing> and the mouse is back :)
[00:31] <snikker> DarkestHour:  at boot, the system (at filesystems check..) say that hd3 is not present (shure is not connected). and sho me only the console mode
[00:32] <snikker> DarkestHour:  if i type exit than start tha GUI
[00:32] <snikker> DarkestHour:  what's happen?
[00:32] <DarkestHour> snikker: i'm not sure, but did you switch everything back now?
[00:33] <snikker> DarkestHour:  now i'm with cd-romdrives connected on primary channel and hd drives on secondary channel unconnected...
[00:34] <snikker> DarkestHour: in this way the cd-roms are detected
[00:34] <DarkestHour> well connect everything back the way it was and see if they will all detect now.
[00:35] <snikker> ok i can try...
[00:42] <snikker> DarkestHour: now i lost the disks,,,
[00:42] <snikker> DarkestHour: same error at boot
[00:44] <tomaz> I will wait for the ...
[00:44] <tomaz> final release
[00:44] <tomaz> =/
[00:54] <gandaldf> sera
[00:55] <tomaz> gandaldf, english, please =p
[00:58] <gandaldf> uhm ok
[00:58] <gandaldf> sorry
[01:05] <jdbugman> I'm on a machine that doesn't  have the restricted drivers manager listed. It's updated...can I run it via command line?
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> jdbugman: its in systemsettings->advanced
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> and yes, you can with "kdesudo restricted-manager-kde"
[01:07] <jdbugman> It's supposed to be, yes.
[01:07] <DarkestHour> it's also jockey-kde
[01:08] <jdbugman> Ah...jockey got it. Thanks :)
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> oh... hardy
[01:08] <jdbugman> Yeah, sorry. Should've specified...
[01:10] <jimmy51> quick:  how do i set a file association in kubuntu?  (trying to use VLC as default movie player... )
[01:11] <Jucato> jimmy51: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: that was nice and fast
[01:11] <DarkestHour> !default
[01:11] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[01:13] <jimmy51> thanks!
[01:15] <mot_> if i download the latest kubuntu 8.04 rc
[01:15] <mot_> will i be able to apt-get my way to the final version or will i have to do a fresh install?
[01:15] <jimmy51> that did it guys, thanks for the tip
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> mot, you can apt-get to the final
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> in fact, by the time final's released, you'll already have it
[01:17] <mot_> when does final come out?
[01:17] <mot_> this week something yea?
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> yep
[01:18] <mot_> what day?
[01:19] <Iced_Eagle> the 24th
[01:20] <Iced_Eagle> so thursday IIRC
[01:20] <Iced_Eagle> !timeline
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timeline - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:20] <Iced_Eagle> !hardy
[01:20] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[01:20] <Iced_Eagle> there we go
[01:24] <szakulec> folks: if anyone is still looking for ideas of what will be possible with KDE 4 and Plasma, check out this SoC project:http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=F16B9339F86C1ABA
[01:27] <Iced_Eagle> szakulec: Thanks. Sounds neat :)
[01:28] <DarkestHour> szakulec: pimp.
[01:35] <jdbugman> Ok, next project... OpenGL works in VLC and Mplayer, but not Kaffeine
[01:35] <jdbugman> It falls back to auto, which leaves me with a blue block where my video's supposed to be.
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> jdbugman: any particular codec?
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> or is this system wide
[01:36] <jdbugman> divx in this case, but it affects several...
[01:36] <jdbugman> All I've tried
[01:36] <godkas> Hey, Im running Gutsy 32-bit and trying to get the ati.com drivers to work but after installing and aticonfig --initial i reboot and fglrxinfo says mesa. has anyone else run into this problem?
[01:39] <Admiral_Chicago> have you tried ogg vorbis jdbugman
[01:39] <szakulec> vorbis is an audio codec
[01:39] <jdbugman> Isn't vorbis an audio codec?
[01:39] <szakulec> theora is the Ogg video codec
[01:39]  * jdbugman goes to fine a theora
[01:40] <sparr_> is there a bash-like shell in which a script can modify its parent's environment?
[01:40] <szakulec> check the linux.com  weekly videos
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> opps, you're right szakulec.
[01:41] <szakulec> Admiral_Chicago: don't worry about it
[01:42] <jdbugman> Same thing. Blue rectangle.
[01:43] <szakulec> you've set Kaffeine to opengl and it doesn't work?
[01:44] <jdbugman> Nope. Throws an error. :/
[01:44] <szakulec> anything somewhat informative?
[01:46] <jdbugman> "Can't init Video Driver 'opengl' - trying 'auto'...Q
[01:46] <jdbugman> So, no...
[01:46] <orianna2008> what
[01:46] <jdbugman> No details listed
[01:47] <szakulec> is it an HD resolution video?
[01:48] <jdbugman> Video size doesn't seem to matter. This one was only 512x384...
[01:49] <szakulec> I'm not really sure why VLC would work and not Kaffeine- but you could try running Kaffeine from the commandline and see what messages are printed
[01:50] <jdbugman> Tried it.. heh Nothing prints...
[01:50] <jdbugman> Let me try running xine by hand...
[01:50] <jdbugman> Or...not..
[01:51]  * jdbugman grabs xine-console
[01:52] <jdbugman> That's...not what I want.
[01:53] <szakulec> I'm guessing you'd prefer to watch in Kaffeine over the other players right?
[01:54] <jdbugman> cacaxine works. lol
[01:54] <szakulec> cacaxine is pretty cool
[01:54] <jdbugman> Only because it's the default and changing all the file associations by hand sounds....annoying, at best.
[01:54] <szakulec> it's a lot better than aaxine
[01:57] <szakulec> it's not as bad as you'd think- but it does take more than 1 click
[01:58] <jdbugman> Ok...xine works fine.
[01:58] <jdbugman> So why isn't kaffeine-xine happy?
[01:58] <szakulec> I'd say it was a colorspace issue, but since VLC works, I'm not really sure why
[01:58] <jdbugman> Ah, --verbose... of course.
[02:00] <szakulec> if you are interested in changing the default app for a video type, go to Kcontrol, KDE components, File associations, video, and then click on an extension and promote your choice to the top
[02:02] <jdbugman> Yes, but I'd have to do that for every video format... There's quite a few.
[02:02] <jdbugman> But I suppose that's better than it just not working. Thanks for the help!
[02:05] <Frederick> folks anyone here managed java and flash on amd64? My kde4 broke my mozilla plugins stuff so now im lost
[02:13] <jmichaelx> ubuntu forums are down? this is criminal.
[02:13] <DarkestHour> lol, yeah
[02:13] <godkas> i know
[02:13] <godkas> im trying to figure out this fglrx issue
[02:13] <godkas> theres a page i wanna look at and cant :'(
[02:14] <jmichaelx> i just upgraded my laptop to hardy, and need forums to get my wireless straightened out
[02:15] <jmichaelx> by the way, hardy+firefox beta+flash = crap
[02:16] <DarkestHour> really? i havent had one problem with the firefox beta and flash.
[02:17] <crimsun> it's pretty hit n' miss
[02:17] <crimsun> some people have horrible experiences with libflashsupport+Flash
[02:17] <Iced_Eagle> I had a pain getting flish working...
[02:17] <Iced_Eagle> flash*
[02:17] <Iced_Eagle> Took me probably like 3 or 4 hours to get it working
[02:18] <Iced_Eagle> which isn't fun
[02:18] <jmichaelx> DarkestHour: i had no problems with FF beta and flash in gutsy, but i do in hardy
[02:18] <jmichaelx> crimsun: can libflashsupport just be removed?
[02:18] <jmichaelx> maybe a silly question
[02:18] <crimsun> jmichaelx: sure.  That's part of 192888.
[02:19] <jmichaelx> hmm
[02:19] <jtmoney> if i install RC and keep it up to date, will there be any difference between that an the final version?
[02:19] <jtmoney> maybe config files?
[02:19] <jmichaelx> jtmoney: nope, you'll have final
[02:20] <jtmoney> okay, then might as well :)
[02:20] <jtmoney> thanks
[02:26] <Frederick> folks im trying to install firefox but I get the following error http://pastey.net/86225
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> W0WBagg3r, let me guess, an accident with an irrational particle accelerator, a pair of rubber bands and a liquid lunch?
[02:35] <linuxguymarshall> Where do I go for Open Office questions?
[02:37] <DarkestHour> !openoffice
[02:37] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> he left right after asking
[02:37] <DarkestHour> lol
[02:37] <akta> thats not the best way to get help lol
[02:38] <Frederick> folks im trying to install firefox but I get the following error http://pastey.net/86225
[02:47] <tiberius1701> anyone know why when i reboot or restart my ati drivers are disabled, and the compiz is running cuz i got the white screen, but i fixed the white screen, but dont know why my graphic drivers kept disable them self
[02:49] <godkas> Ugh. the Kubuntu ati packages suck
[02:49] <NickPresta> godkas, why do you say that?
[02:50] <godkas> FYI if anyone else is having problems with them install the ati .run file directly and install via their istaller
[02:50] <godkas> NickPresta: kept trying over and over and couldnt get it off mesa. installed the .run and poof
[02:50] <tiberius1701> so you mean install the ones from ati.com
[02:50] <godkas> yeah without making them into packages
[02:51] <godkas> this is with gutsy BTW
[02:51] <tiberius1701> im in hardy
[02:51] <tiberius1701> i heard they were a newer version in hardy
[02:51] <godkas> yeah i just uninstalled the restricted and installed the ati binary directly
[02:52] <godkas> that fixed it. I might have missed something with the restricted drivers somewhere but the auto was easy and seems to work properly
[02:52] <tiberius1701> i heard if the binary one usually only work with ati HD cards, what you think
[02:53] <godkas> im on a x1950XTX
[02:53] <tiberius1701> x1650 pro
[02:53] <godkas> youll want the same
[02:53] <godkas> the whole x1000 series
[02:54] <godkas> that is if your drivers arent working properly already
[02:54] <tiberius1701> the propritay one is working and so is compiz, but if i reboot the driver is disabled and a white screen, because of compiz, i can fix the white screen
[02:55] <godkas> wait your fglrx driver is disabled?
[02:56] <tiberius1701> yeah if i enabe compiz and shutdown or reboot, then my driver is disabled
[02:56] <godkas> are you on that comp right now?
[02:56] <tiberius1701> no
[02:56] <godkas> kk
[02:57] <godkas> load back into x with your backup xorg.conf
[02:57] <tiberius1701> do i have a backup
[02:57] <godkas> if you made yours it should have also made a backup
[02:58] <tiberius1701> ok, how do i do that cuz im a n00b
[02:58] <godkas> -boggle-
[02:58] <godkas> hmm
[02:58] <godkas> can you get to a command prompt?
[02:58] <tiberius1701> yeah im in the system
[02:59] <godkas> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:59] <godkas> that will build you a new xorg.conf
[03:00] <tiberius1701> should it start out and ask me what driver to use, cuz it starts out at use kernel frambuffer interface
[03:02] <godkas> its gonna walk you through a buncha stuff
[03:02] <godkas> put yes for that (i did)
[03:02] <Frederick> folks I need help with java in swiftweasel
[03:02] <tiberius1701> i otta just rip this ati card out and use the onboard nvida
[03:02] <Frederick> this simply does not work ive tried all I got it installed on the machine but the browser simple refuses ti recognize this stuff ive lost 4 hours doing this
[03:03] <godkas> bah thats just giving in to the ati haters
[03:03] <godkas> its really easy you just gotta do er right
[03:04] <tiberius1701> i dont understand if the driver is enable and i want to reboot and press ctrl alt backspace, i just get a blackscreen
[03:04] <godkas> you were back in x?
[03:05] <godkas> i thought you were stuck in a command prompt because x had compiz issues
[03:05] <tiberius1701> i dont know
[03:05] <godkas> are there pretty colors and a gui or a blinking white command prompt
[03:05] <tiberius1701> right now im in here
[03:07] <tiberius1701> i mean before when the driver was enabled i reboot or shutdown its a blackscreen, and end up having to turn the power off manully, then when i boot into kubuntu my driver is disabled
[03:09] <godkas> well heres what you need to do (this is what i did) sudo apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) , sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx , make sure /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common doesnt have fglrx disabled , Download the binary from ati.com , install driver using sudo sh ./<ati driver name>.run , sudo depmod -a ,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, aticonfig --initial, reboot
[03:09] <BluesKaj> tiberius1701:  the driver is unable to run in X, can't provide the required parameters . That's the best way i can put it.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> or use the restricted driver in /system settings/ advanced/...it might work
[03:11] <godkas> im showing him how to install the ati.com one
[03:11] <godkas> ive never been fond of restricted drivers
[03:12] <godkas> just the name restricted sounds bad
[03:12] <tiberius1701> i think it has somthing to do with compiz, compiz is disabled now but it seems when i reboot it enabled again, ie white screen, then i have to alt f2 kwin --replace
[03:12] <godkas> that really shouldnt happen
[03:12] <maxym> !fr
[03:12] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:12] <BluesKaj> well, if he's running a radeon card ...the restricted driver will provide 3D and DRI, if that's what he wants
[03:12] <maxym> what is the adress for undernet
[03:13] <godkas> google: undernet irc
[03:13] <BluesKaj> google it
[03:13] <maxym> what
[03:13] <colt> hi ppl
[03:13] <maxym> .server google: undernet irc
[03:14] <maxym> is broken
[03:14] <godkas> tiberius1701 did you do it like i said? or were there different steps to your install
[03:14] <godkas> http://www.undernet.org/
[03:15] <godkas> because if i were getting this issue id uninstall compiz and all instances of ati and fglrx and start from scratch (less confusing)
[03:15] <tiberius1701> what the reconfige stuff, i think i should have have my ati driver enable before i did that
[03:15] <godkas> -shrug- its just making your xorg
[03:16] <godkas> your drivers have no bearing on what can be in xorg.conf
[03:16] <godkas> just dont load the wrong ones :)
[03:16] <tiberius1701> ok should it have composite disabled in xorg
[03:16] <godkas> from what i read yes
[03:17] <tiberius1701> comcrapic
[03:17] <BluesKaj> tiberius1701:  if you've installed a proprietary driver , it must be uninstalled in order for another , hopefully workable one to replace it
[03:18] <tiberius1701> whats a workable one
[03:18] <godkas> the one on ati.com
[03:18] <Frederick> folks how do I install firefox 32 bits in ubuntu 64?
[03:18] <godkas> ati-driver-installer-8-4-x86.x86_64.run
[03:18] <BluesKaj> uhmm one that will run in X without crashing
[03:18] <godkas> frederick theres a good how to on that lemme look
[03:18] <tiberius1701> ok so uninstall this one and renstall ati.com one
[03:19] <BluesKaj> Frederick: install ia32-libs
[03:19] <godkas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1174435
[03:20] <Frederick> ive done it I got it installed
[03:20] <Frederick> still I miss th package it self!
[03:20] <BluesKaj> tiberius1701:  if you aren't goinf to try to run compiz-fusion use the restricted driver in system settings/ advanced... it works for almost everything else
[03:21] <godkas> like i said tho im using the proprietary kaj
[03:21] <godkas> their card is very similar to mine
[03:21] <BluesKaj> which card godkas ?
[03:21] <godkas> x1950XTX
[03:21] <godkas> same series
[03:21] <godkas> itll work but the restricted ones didnt for me
[03:22] <mol032777> hi all
[03:22] <tiberius1701> i am trying to run compiz and it worked after i enable the restricted driver it work and then enable compiz it worked, but if i shutdown i get black screen and then i have to shut the power off and when i boot the driver is disabled and compiz is still running
[03:22] <Frederick> damm i need help setting java in my machine it works thou the browser does not recognize it
[03:23] <mol032777> mine works
[03:23] <mol032777> default
[03:23] <Frederick> sudo update-java-alternatives -l lists the machines
[03:24] <Frederick> but java tester does not run
[03:24] <Frederick> abd somehow I dont have the firefox32 package
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Frederick: sudo update-alternatives --config java and choose the latest java ...usually the the /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun/jre/bin/java will work
[03:25] <Frederick> BluesKaj: the problem is in swiftweasel plugin
[03:25] <Frederick> I find no how to to set this crap
[03:26] <BluesKaj> ok Frederick , dunno about that
[03:26] <Frederick> http://javatester.org/version.html
[03:26] <Frederick> does not work here
[03:26] <Davo_Dinkum> I downloaded kubuntu-kde4-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso but it's ubuntu for some reason :/
[03:27] <tiberius1701> try a different mirror
[03:27] <Aldenor> hey, i want to set Firefox like default instead konkeror
[03:27] <Aldenor> how i do that?
[03:27] <BluesKaj> kde is kubuntu
[03:29] <ubuntu> Help!  Stuck at the installation step 4/6 for kubuntu 7.10 gusty gipp, and can't create partitions.  Partition list is blank
[03:29] <BluesKaj> Aldenor:  in system settings/default applications ..you may have to set it in other apps as well ,like kmail and konversation
[03:30] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , do you have other OS's on the drive ?
[03:30] <ubuntu> yes, a previous version of kubuntu.  but it failed installation upgrade to fiesty fawn
[03:30] <ubuntu> so I downloaded the latest install iso
[03:31] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , did you choose the mount point for /  ?
[03:31] <ubuntu> how do you do that?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> in the partitioning options
[03:32] <BluesKaj> chosse manual partitioning instead of guided or auto
[03:32] <ubuntu> I'm not getting any options to do anything
[03:33] <BluesKaj> what screen to you have ?
[03:33] <ubuntu> it won't let me click Next> to go anywhere
[03:33] <ubuntu> 4/6 Prepare Partitions
[03:33] <Aldenor> BluesKaj where is system settings?
[03:33] <ubuntu> The previous screen was choose keyboard
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Kmenu, Aldenor
[03:34] <Aldenor> oh, i got it, thanks
[03:34] <ubuntu> when I click next from there, it scans my drives
[03:34] <BluesKaj> do you see rectangle with some like sda or hda listed
[03:34] <ubuntu> then I get a blank list again
[03:34] <ubuntu> nothing
[03:35] <BluesKaj> go back
[03:35] <ubuntu> I have listings with nothing below them
[03:35] <ubuntu> ok
[03:35] <Frederick> Oki I need help setting the java plugin in my browser ive tired it alone for 5 hours
[03:35] <ubuntu> 3/6 Keyboard Layout
[03:35] <Frederick> this is broken on the distro must
[03:36] <PhilRod> Frederick: what have you tried already?
[03:37] <Frederick> PhilRod: all tutos from the web the 3in1 installer the broken documentation tired to set up it in a firefox32 still thepackage seems to have disappeared and the script has problems with persmissions in a dir I was unable to fix
[03:37] <PhilRod> er, can you try again with punctuation?
[03:37] <ubuntu> : /
[03:38] <Frederick> PhilRod: all tutos from the web. The 3in1 installer. The broken documentation. tried to set up it in a firefox32, still the package seems to have disappeared. the script has problems with persmissions in a dir. I was unable to fix this issues
[03:38] <PhilRod> that's better, thanks
[03:39] <Frederick> PhilRod: ive been using linux for 5 years this is trivial somethign is broken and I need it working
[03:39] <Frederick> and the docs are not correspondent with the actual status of the distro
[03:39] <Jucato> !64
[03:39] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[03:40] <PhilRod> Frederick: ok, let me see if it's working here
[03:41] <Frederick> ?
[03:41] <Frederick> PhilRod: I had this working in my machibne but updating to kde4 broke it
[03:41] <PhilRod> well, if it's not working here, I'm unlikely to be able to help you
[03:42] <PhilRod> can you suggest a site with a java applet on it for testing?
[03:42] <Frederick> www.javatester.org
[03:44] <PhilRod> ok, cool, so I have it working here
[03:44] <PhilRod> so, basics: what does `which java` say?
[03:45] <Frederick> /usr/bin/java it is oki
[03:46] <PhilRod> it's firefox you're having trouble with, right? does konqueror work?
[03:47] <Frederick> no borwser is working the plugin is not properly installed
[03:48] <BluesKaj> Frederick:  did you try installing sun-java6-jre and the sun-java6-plugin ?
[03:49] <BluesKaj> and by allmeans java-common as well
[03:49] <Frederick> Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
[03:49] <Frederick> java-jre is isntalled
[03:50] <Jucato> Firefox needs the -plugin package to work... but not available for 64-bit afaik
[03:50] <Frederick> I hads it working once I know it is possible
[03:51] <BluesKaj> kde4 yousay , Frederick ?
[03:51] <Frederick> no the plugins
[03:51] <BluesKaj> are you running kde4 tho ?
[03:52] <Frederick> Jucato: that is why i have to install the firefox32 which disappeared,
[03:52] <Frederick> BluesKaj: kde4 is too broken I came back to the 3 I havent uninstalled
[03:53] <BluesKaj> ok, that shouldn't matter in your browser
[03:53] <BluesKaj> well, my brain is going into hibernate mode ...sacktime for me
[03:53] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[03:55] <Jucato> Frederick: you've tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-6524a0c56845e40dccd32676dad42830325e5707 ?
[03:56] <Jucato> oh well, it points to the 32bit firefox too...
[03:57] <Agent_bob> hmmm blank black screen with mouse cursor in the middle, looks the same whether it's ubuntu linux or M$ vesta or what ever....
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> because the shape of the mouse cursor is pretty much set in stone at this point - have you ever used an app or game that had its own custom pointers?  personally, i find it a bit uncomfortable
[03:59] <natasliah> hello
[04:00] <natasliah> i need help... my adept manager has locked up after an upgrade
[04:00] <Agent_bob> answer ^ yes.   but i disagree with the "set in stone" statement...   try  sudo killall kdm    and just run    X     you get the   X  cursor that way
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob, by that i meant that most things use a standard cursor, similar if not identical proportions, vertical on the left, etc, etc
[04:02] <richardspirit> can anyone help me?
[04:02] <Agent_bob> claydoh:    differance in use of phrase "set in stone"     thought you meant unchangable.   my bad.
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix | richardspirit
[04:03] <ubotu> richardspirit: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:03] <Agent_bob> i have got to stop using one word and the ; cause that's my nick completion char...
[04:03] <richardspirit> i'll try that thx
[04:03]  * Daisuke_Ido sips a chocolate milk
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob, no worries
[04:04] <Frederick> cool think I might have fixed and now my internet connection hangs
[04:04] <Frederick> long day
[04:08] <TeslaTony> How do I set up a script to install a bunch of packages? I want to install linux on a computer, and want a bunch of specific packages to go on after
[04:08] <Frederick> TeslaTony: shell maybe
[04:08] <Frederick> just type thecomamnd on a .sh file
[04:09] <TeslaTony> That could do it, although I've had issues with .sh files and sudo
[04:09] <Agent_bob> TeslaTony apt can handle a large list of packages at one time, so you can make a list in one file and                      apt-get install `cat listfile`
[04:10] <Agent_bob> i don't know how large.   but at least a couple houndred.
[04:11] <TeslaTony> Agent_bob: That certainly sounds promising.
[04:11] <richardspirit> it worked thx bot
[04:11] <TeslaTony> It's be about one or two dozen packages, plus kubuntu-desktop (i'm installing using the ubuntu CD)
[04:12] <Agent_bob> TeslaTony note the back ticks "`"   that's a shell specific char,  it causes what's inclosed therein to be executed first.
[04:14] <Agent_bob> example: echo "ls"   only says "ls" back at you.  but, echo `ls`    outputs the same as the ls command alone.
[04:14]  * PhilRod recommends $( command )
[04:15] <claydoh> Agent_bob: lol second time today someones done that tome :)
[04:17] <Agent_bob> claydoh yeah i hit you by accident every so often.    seems that  oh; is just part of my vocab.
[04:17] <TeslaTony> Agent_bob: Thanks. I'll try it
[04:17] <claydoh> heh no problem anyway doesn't bother me at all
[04:18] <Agent_bob> claydoh heh. k.   i'll try to not ring your bell until i need something.  :)
[04:18]  * claydoh probably would be @ werk anyway :)
[04:20] <notebook> la version que esta ahorita de kubuntu 8.04  no es la final ?
[04:20] <notebook> que cambiara en  2 dias ?
[04:20] <PhilRod> !es | notebook
[04:20] <ubotu> notebook: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[04:20] <notebook> ok
[04:21] <notebook> #kubuntu-es
[04:21] <Agent_bob> and i think the answer is yes.
[04:21] <notebook> jajaja
[04:21] <notebook> sorry
[04:21] <notebook> how change chanel ?
[04:21] <Agent_bob> /join #channel
[04:22] <notebook> ok
[04:22] <notebook> bye
[04:22] <notebook> la version que esta ahorita de kubuntu 8.04  no es la final ?
[04:23] <notebook> que cambiara en  2 dias ?
[04:23] <notebook> ah noperdon
[04:23] <notebook> me equivoque  again
[04:23] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:23] <Agent_bob> hello root
[04:27] <Frederick> how do I set java plugin home?
[04:30] <Agent_bob> man... i didn't believe the reports of how sorry windoze vesta was... but they were not exagerating
[04:31] <Agent_bob> i "logged" in to a fresh install almost 20 minutes ago and the thing hasn't gotten caught up enough for me to do anything yet.
[04:33] <Frederick> DAMM folks can one there help me out setting java in swiftweasel?
[04:33] <Hikejinx> what do you mean frederick?
[04:35] <PhilRod> "swiftweasel"? does the Approved Debian Name for firefox change based on phase of the moon or something?
[04:36] <Hikejinx> swiftweasel is an optimized version philrod
[04:36] <Hikejinx> it's not debian supported
[04:36] <Hikejinx> swiftweasel is optimized for various systems
[04:36] <Frederick> man
[04:37] <Frederick> this is so ridiculous this distro is so broken
[04:37] <Frederick> ive done ALL by the books
[04:37] <Frederick> and there is no reasonable explanation why this crap broke or why I cant fix irt
[04:37] <Hikejinx> what is wrong exactly?
[04:38] <Frederick> oki firefox32 package simply disapeared to exist, and I got no java in browsers
[04:38] <Frederick> Ive tried ALL you can imagine
[04:38] <Hikejinx> and are you on gutsy?
[04:39] <ghittsum> why can I not get apache web server per the adept manager?  What am I not doing right?
[04:39] <ghittsum> it's not even in the list of things to get
[04:39] <Frederick> hardy
[04:40] <ghittsum> thanking you in advance for atleast reading my issue
[04:41]  * ghittsum beats his head on the wall.
[04:43] <Agent_bob> ghittsum i can't answer your question...   but  i can sujest   sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:44] <Agent_bob> !lamp | ghittsum
[04:44] <ubotu> ghittsum: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:46] <ghittsum> that works
[04:46] <ghittsum> this has been a long week
[04:47] <ghittsum> couldn't find package apache2
[04:49] <Agent_bob> try replacing the two with an asterisk
[04:49] <Agent_bob> apt takes wild cards
[04:50] <ricardo_> hi
[04:53] <munk_> can someone help me set up my wireless network with a passphrase encryption? everytime i try it it keeps asking me for the passphrase and then after a while it says it cannot connet...pleasee
[04:54] <ghittsum> k
[04:54] <flaccid> munk_: don't you set up the passphrase on your access point?
[04:54] <ghittsum> same....couldnt find
[04:55] <Agent_bob> ghittsum sounds like you have your sources.list file hosed
[04:55] <ghittsum> I only installed kubuntu for the 5th time...
[04:56] <flaccid> !info apache2 | ghittsum
[04:56] <ubotu> ghittsum: apache2 (source: apache2): Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1 (gutsy), package size 41 kB, installed size 92 kB
[04:57] <flaccid> ghittsum: check your repos in adept and fix it then update list then see if you can install it. you might want to try sudo apt-cache madison apache2 to see if it come out in the sources after you update them
[04:58] <flaccid> me brb
[04:59] <ghittsum> oh sweet!  thank you, I think I can manage from here
[05:01] <ll450> hi
[05:02] <ll450> would installing the upcoming hardy release be better for my situation? (broken cdrom/disk drive, 433mhz, 192mb ram, little hd space)
[05:02] <arcticpenguin380> is 5.7GB enough for kubuntu?
[05:02] <Frederick> folks the java packages I have do not install the libjavaplugin_oji.so do you have any ideas about whatcan I do?
[05:03] <ll450> i want to try installing kubuntu on my k6 433 laptop just to see how good the opengl support is for the trident card
[05:03] <Agent_bob> arcticpenguin380 yes.
[05:03] <Agent_bob> arcticpenguin380 i did NOT say it would be enough for your data that you may try to add...
[05:04] <arcticpenguin380> for /
[05:04] <ll450> yeah, apt-get install fun adventures wouldn't get very far on 6gb
[05:04] <Agent_bob> arcticpenguin380 ubuntu will install in about 2 to 2.2 gig without problems   but it is recomended that you give it some slack.   i.e. 4g or more.
[05:05] <ll450> my drive is 9gb but only 800mb free atm
[05:05] <Agent_bob> ll450 really ?    why not ?
[05:05] <Agent_bob> how much of that is in your home ?
[05:06] <ll450> when i see the package list i'm like I MUST INSTALL EVERYTHING I SEE
[05:06] <ll450> 6gb doesn't let you do that :(
[05:07] <Agent_bob> correct you can't install the whole repos in 6g
[05:08] <ll450> wasn't hardy going to have an option to install and boot from an image file?
[05:08] <Agent_bob> you also can't possably use all the packages.  they are too redundant
[05:08] <ll450> so i wouldn't partition?
[05:32] <Agent_bob> anyone know where in "M$ windoze vesta" one might turn off all the automaticly launched crap, an it stay turned off on reboot ?     or is that just not possable with that peace of crap os ?
[05:34] <Daisuke_Ido> well, you could ask in ##windows :)  we aren't masochists here :P
[05:34] <Agent_bob> i already got banned from there for misspelling vseta   ;/
[05:35] <ll450> lol
[05:36] <ll450> hey is the new kubuntu going to give me  a choice to use kde3?
[05:36] <ll450> i don't like 4
[05:37] <Leabr> Text hier eingeben...hallo Guten Morgen
[05:37] <Agent_bob> !de
[05:37] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:37] <Agent_bob> and good morning to you
[05:37] <Leabr> ok danke
[05:37] <ll450> !zh
[05:37] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[05:37] <ll450> =D
[05:37] <Agent_bob> welcome
[05:41] <richardspirit> can anybody help me set up a remoted desktop connection through a vpn connection
[05:42] <richardspirit> i was able to get the vpn up but i can't get the remote desktop to work
[05:44] <richardspirit> hello
[05:58] <latitu> how can i install a bnc ?
[06:08] <flaccid> quick question, anyone here have working world of warcraft w/ wine?
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid, certainly
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> you have to make a couple of changes to your config file
[06:10] <Daisuke_Ido> aaand it doesn't like intel graphics
[06:10] <flaccid> !wow
[06:10] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[06:11] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: ati is ok? do i just follow the wiki guide?
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> should be fine
[06:11] <Daisuke_Ido> just change the renderer to opengl in the config
[06:13] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: thats Config.wtf?
[06:14] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid, if i remember right, i haven't played in a while
[06:15] <flaccid> np
[06:16] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: this is latest 2.4.1 with burning crusade and other add on things, hopefully it goes well. its for my housemate - only thing he needs to get rid of windows
[06:17] <flaccid> !info ubufox
[06:17] <ubotu> ubufox (source: ubufox): modifications for ubuntu firefox (default) install. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4~beta1-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 31 kB, installed size 208 kB
[06:17] <flaccid> anyone know what those mods are above in that package?
[06:27] <flaccid> anybody know why wine doco on wiki asks to use a dif repos when wine is in universe already?
[06:36] <donald_> Hey I need help with something, first time in here. When I plug in my headphone into the front jack of my computer, it doesn't disable the back jack so that the speakers stop playing, how can I make it so that it does that?
[06:52] <Aldenor> hey people, KD4 works in kubuntu 7.10
[06:52] <Aldenor> ?
[06:52] <Aldenor> kde 4.3*
[06:52] <Jucato> sure. #kubuntu-kde4 for questions
[06:52] <Jucato> er... it's only up to 4.0.3
[06:53] <Jucato> there's no 4.1 yet :D
[06:53] <Aldenor> oka :P thanks
[06:54] <donald_> Can somebody tell me how to change Kubuntu's color depth to 16bit color?
[06:54] <donald_> Kubuntu 8.04
[06:57] <ubuntu> guten morgen
[06:57] <donald_> Can somebody tell me how to change Kubuntu's color depth to 16bit color?
[06:57] <flaccid> donald_: don't repeat
[06:57] <Jucato> !patience | donald_
[06:57] <ubotu> donald_: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:57] <Jucato> donald_: also, #ubuntu+1 for hardy questions
[06:57] <flaccid> donald_: im not sure that you can do it in gui, but you can edit default depth directive in /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly
[06:57] <Jucato> (you're trying to "downgrade" your color depth?)
[06:57] <donald_> yes I am
[06:58] <donald_> trying to downgrade from 32bit to 16bit color
[06:58] <flaccid> donald_: change         Defaultdepth    32 to         Defaultdepth    16 in section screen then restart X
[06:59] <donald_> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf there is no default depth directive
[06:59] <flaccid> donald_: you can add one then
[07:00] <flaccid> donald_: can go in that section anywhere, but nice to put it on top of SubSection "Display"
[07:00] <donald_> Okay I need to be running Kate in Admin mode to edit this file
[07:00] <flaccid> donald_: goto run and do kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:01] <donald_> Okay what should I put in exactly?
[07:01] <donald_> Add, I mean
[07:02] <flaccid> donald_:  Defaultdepth    16
[07:02] <donald_> Section "Device"
[07:02] <donald_> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[07:02] <donald_> 	Defaultdepth    16
[07:02] <donald_> EndSection
[07:02] <donald_> so that?
[07:03] <flaccid> !pastebin > donald_
[07:03] <flaccid> yes that
[07:03] <donald_> thanks flaccid, let me save it and restart kubuntu
[07:03] <Jucato> donald_: remember to backup your xorg.conf
[07:03] <flaccid> cool
[07:03] <Jucato> or at least know how to revert :)
[07:04] <donald_> do I have to restart Kubuntu completely?
[07:04] <Jucato> no
[07:04] <Jucato> just X
[07:04] <donald_> I dunno how to restart just X
[07:04] <donald_> lol
[07:04] <flaccid> its in the dropdown at the login screen
[07:04] <flaccid> after you logout
[07:04] <donald_> kk
[07:04] <donald_> thanks :)
[07:04] <flaccid> np
[07:12] <will_> tried to settup a proxy.... Opened ktorrent and walla..... ¨could not find usable proxy configuration script¨  anyone have a clue?
[07:12] <flaccid> what kind of proxy, will_?
[07:12] <will_> i know I enable socks support ¨dante¨
[07:13] <donald_> flaccid, and jucato, doing that screwed my kubuntu up, and when it starts up the graphics go all wacky and it won't even continue starting up, how to replace to old file with a new file or edit it from teh live cd?
[07:13] <will_> used kcontrol to set it up automatically
[07:14] <bastid_raZor> i'm running ubuntu/gnome 7.10 .. i have ktorrent 2.2.5 (Using KDE 3.5.8) how would i upgrade to ktorrent 3.0? add the KDE4 repo's?
[07:14] <flaccid> donald_: goto ctrl+alt+f2 and login and then do a pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf or copy the backup back to it. no need to use live cd
[07:14] <donald_> flaccid, it doesn't even get to the login screen before it fails to start
[07:15] <flaccid> will_: #kde might be able to help if nobody can here
[07:15] <flaccid> donald_: yes. you can still use a tty
[07:15] <donald_> so while kubuntu is starting up, push ctrl+alt+f2?
[07:15] <will_> ok
[07:15] <Jucato> there's no ktorrent channel though
[07:16] <donald_> I didnt make a backup like I should've
[07:16] <yandy> join #kde
[07:16] <flaccid> donald_: no. once its started up. you should be able to do it now.
[07:16] <will_> thanks everyone
[07:18] <buddyluv> hello
[07:28] <donald_> Hey I did what you said, and the TTY thing did come up and I typed what you said and it brung up this other black screen which I had no idea on how to control it
[07:29] <ubuntu> guten morgen kann mir wer helfen
[07:29] <ubuntu> ?
[07:29] <Jucato> !de | ubuntu
[07:29] <ubotu> ubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:30] <donald_> Jucato, how can I replace my /etc/X11/xconf.conf file?
[07:31] <donald_> If that's the correct directory/file
[07:33] <donald_> should I just reinstall Kubuntu 8.04 to fix the problem?
[07:33] <Jucato> donald_: um.. hold on
[07:33] <Jucato> yes, correct file. no, don't reinstall
[07:33] <Jucato> is "Defaultdepth" the only line you changed?
[07:33] <donald_> yes
[07:35] <donald_> I'm in the LiveCD right now looking at the xorg.conf file
[07:35] <flaccid> Jucato: you could just edit it in pico and press ctrl+x to save it
[07:35] <Jucato> ok, boot normally into Kubuntu. you would get thrown into a text login prompt
[07:35] <donald_> Do you want me to paste the file into a pastebin?
[07:35] <flaccid> just remove the line donald_
[07:35] <donald_> I can't it won't let me save it
[07:35] <Jucato> donald_: unless you want to go through the hassle of mounting your hard disk partition and making changes there, you're better off doing it directly
[07:36] <donald_> Then please, can you explain to me how to do it?
[07:37] <donald_> I've opened up the xorg.conf file in the LiveCD but it says I dont have permission to save it
[07:37] <flaccid> donald_: you could just edit it in pico and press ctrl+x to save it
[07:37] <flaccid> donald_: thats the xorg.conf on the livecd not your hard disk
[07:37] <flaccid> which is why its read only as its on a cd
[07:37] <donald_> No, I went through the Storage Media, clicked on the drive/partition and went to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:38] <donald_> Says 26GB Media
[07:38] <donald_> I clicked on that and navigated to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:38] <flaccid> maybe the mount options are wrong not sure
[07:39] <donald_> Okay, so how can I edit the xorg.conf file then either from LiveCD or some other place?
[07:40] <jerknextdoor> donald_:  can you start it up without the gui?
[07:40] <Jucato> donald_: boot normally... then instead of getting the graphical login, you will either get dumped into a text login prompt or a black screen with the Kubuntu logo, in which case you press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a text login prompt
[07:40] <donald_> I don't have the slightest idea of how to do that
[07:41] <Jucato> then, once you logged in,use the command "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to edit your xorg.conf
[07:41] <donald_> Okay, i'll try that
[07:41] <flaccid> donald_: which is exactly where we got you before
[07:42] <donald_> Thanks guys, let me try it again
[07:42] <Jucato> wait!!
[07:42] <donald_> okay..
[07:42] <donald_> lol
[07:42] <Jucato> once you're done editing.. Ctrl+O to save and Ctrl+X to exit
[07:43] <Jucato> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" to try to get into the graphical login screen again
[07:44] <donald_> the kdm restart has a space in between it?
[07:44] <Jucato> yep
[07:44] <donald_> okay thanks, gonna go try it
[07:44] <Jucato> good luck
[07:44] <donald_> thanks =)
[07:48] <donald_> Woooooooot its fixed!
[07:48] <Jucato> nice
[07:49] <jerknextdoor> anyone know why i'm getting an error while checking for system updates?  it can't verify a public key for wine.
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> jerknextdoor, you get used to that
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not going to hurt anything
[07:50] <jerknextdoor> Daisuke:  thanks.  i just put wine on here the other day so i guess i just hadnt noticed.
[07:51] <rdw> hello
[07:52] <rdw> my problem is that when my notebook wakes up my laptop display stays shut. (i use xinerama, my 19" lcd goes awake). my network also stays suspended. any hints?
[07:56] <jerknextdoor> anyone just get an update for firefox 3b5?
[08:05] <me> hello
[08:06] <donald_> Can somebody tell me where Firefox installs itself to when you install it from Adept?
[08:06] <Jucato> should be /usr/bin/, you can find out by using "which firefox"
[08:08] <donald_> I'm trying to important my bookmarks.html file from my Windows partition to the new firefox here, on this Kubuntu partition
[08:09] <donald_> import*
[08:09] <donald_> so that I have all my bookmarks
[08:09] <Jucato> you can probably ask in #mozilla (or #firefox if that's the channel) but I think Firefox has a way to export bookmarks then import them elsewhere
[08:10] <freq_fraq> Hello. I'm trying to install kubuntu from a live cd. the live cd loads OK (I'm currently using Konversation) and error checking says the cd has no errors, but when I'm clicking "install" a window opens, and closes after a few seconds.  anyone has an idea?
[08:17] <flaccid> freq_fraq: you could try the alternate cd
[08:19] <freq_fraq> flaccid: I could, but it would take a while...I don't have a burner on this computer, and my access to one is limited (it will take me a week or so burn the alternate CD). I was hoping for a more immediate solution. (BTW, if instead of burning one can use disk-on-key it will be very helpfull. is it possible?)
[08:23] <flaccid> freq_fraq: unfortunately you can't edit a cd
[08:23] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: wow crashes all the time
[08:23] <flaccid> it sux. any WoW people here?
[08:24] <freq_fraq> flaccid: edit a cd?  maybe we misunderstood one another. I have a USB flash drive (disk-on-key) of 2GB. I want to install kubuntu (or ubuntu, for that matter) from this drive, instead of a CD. is it possible?
[08:25] <flaccid> yes
[08:25] <flaccid> you can install from cd or usb drive
[08:27] <freq_fraq> flaccid: great. where can I find instructions on how to do that
[08:36] <flaccid> freq_fraq: on the wiki
[08:37] <flaccid> freq_fraq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[08:38] <freq_fraq> flaccid: thanks a lot, I'll read it.
[08:39] <flaccid> no worries, i have one its pretty good ey
[08:39] <SilentDis> hello :)
[08:39]  * SilentDis is installing Kubuntu 8.04 RC, and was bored lol
[08:40] <jerknextdoor> any way to check to see a list of system updates?  i just updated something for firefox and didn't pay attention and now firefox wont start.
[08:41] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: firefox core just updated, yes.  You could hop into adept and revert 1 version without issue probably
[08:42] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  did you do the update?  if so are you having any problems?
[08:43] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: I just updated it myself, without issue...  did you try renaming your firefox folder?  maybe a goofy plugin is doing it
[08:45] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random string of crap>.default/extensions/* is where they hide.  try just moving that folder to a new name
[08:46] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: alernately, open up a term window, and type `firefox &` (no quotes) and see what errors pop up
[08:47] <jerknextdoor> SilentDis:  i'm thinking something else might be going on.  all this stuff is rnning kind of slow.
[08:47] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: then try that last option.  at least you'll get an error message we can work with :)
[08:47] <jerknextdoor> 6035
[08:47] <djdarkman> how can I downgrade to firefox 2.0? 3.0 is simply a not-working browser for me
[08:50] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: from what i can scry from that error and google, it looks like it's having problems reading a text file type database, probably from an extension or a bookmark or some such.  try moving out your extensions dir and launch again
[08:51] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: only other thing i can think of is if multiple copies are running in the background (quick `killall firefox-bin` should solve that though)
[08:53] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:   nope.  neither of them worked.  the killall killed no processes.
[08:54] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: just to be sure... see if anything firefox related is running:  ps -A | grep -i firefox
[08:54] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  it tries to start.  a black box comes up.  and then you can see the google search box in the corner.  but then it stops there.  the logo in the tastkmanage is also just an X.
[08:55] <jerknextdoor> silentdis: nothing running.
[08:55] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: you know, i've seen that...  I *think* i solved that on mine by a quick restart of the x windows system.  Probably something stuck somewhere. try a <ctrl>-<alt>-<backspace>.  You'll loose chat (obviously) but i'll be here.  2hrs for kubuntu update lol
[08:56] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  that was the first thing i tried actually.  i also restarted kubuntu once since then too.
[08:57] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  it will only take a few minutes to reinstall completely so i guess i'll just do that.
[08:57] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: huh.  only other thing i can think of is a quick reinstall of firefox.  make sure you backup your bookmarks if you do that, though.
[09:06] <jerknextdoor> silentdis: i just reinstalled it.  it started fine but i got a couple of weird things that popped up in terminal.
[09:06] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: does it function?
[09:07] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  seems to just fine.  and all of the stuff that popped in the command line was all gnome related so i suppose i'll see if it works the next time i boot into gnome (which is rare)
[09:08] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: I see weird errors for virtually any app i run from term.  usually debugging and such
[09:09] <jerknextdoor> silentdis: yeah, that's probably all it is.  i didnt think of that.  i don't run apps from the term that much.
[09:10] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: I run kopete on my crappy little laptop off of my main box.  you should see the term window fill up lol
[09:10] <jerknextdoor> haha
[09:12] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: the latest one is "Very strange! got a DCOPReplyFailed opcode, but we were not waiting for a reply!" over and over... yet it all seems to be working just fine lol
[09:12] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  oh that's good.
[09:14] <tiberius1701> go figure i took out my ati x1650 pro card and started using the onboard gforce 6150 graphics, compiz run perfect and even movies and games have better quality
[09:14] <SilentDis> tiberius1701: I switched to nvidia a while ago myself.  way better linux support.  i hear intel chips are really nice too
[09:15] <tiberius1701> well i still got my amd im going keep that
[09:16] <SlimeyPete> he means intel video chips
[09:16] <SilentDis> tiberius1701: yeah, sorry 'bout that.  Intel vid chipsets.
[09:16]  * SilentDis is an AMD64 user as well :)
[09:16] <tiberius1701> strange thing is i know that ati card should be better than my onboard, but i guess ati just has crappy drivers or somthing
[09:17] <SlimeyPete> yes, very crappy.
[09:17] <tiberius1701> anyone wanna buy an ati card
[09:17] <SilentDis> tiberius1701: they have said they'll be working on their driver and support for linux... but it hasn't happened yet.  nvidia is usually about 1 or 2 versions behind the windows versions, but they work great
[09:18] <tiberius1701> yea i can tell, i had hell with the ati and compiz
[09:18]  * SilentDis spins the cube while watching futurama and distro updates and 3 web browsers are open :D
[09:19] <tiberius1701> sweet
[09:20] <SilentDis> the GF just got a brand new laptop.  she was using my machine for a while.  the laptop came with vista, but she hated it, gonna throw 8.04 on it when it finally releases :)
[09:20] <SilentDis> she's struggling and complaining about IE quite a bit, it's cute.  lmao
[09:21] <tiberius1701> IE sucks
[09:22] <tiberius1701> oh and so does vista
[09:22] <SilentDis> yeah.  it runs really slow on the machine too.  which really is quite sad for how decent the machine is
[09:22] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  i used adept to uninstall firefox, but now i have multiple firefox folders and my icons aren't associated with the right one.  any idea why adept wouldn't have removed the original one?
[09:23] <SilentDis> 2gb ram and a 2.4ghz processor should NOT take 5 min to come up.
[09:23] <tiberius1701> 5 MINS
[09:24] <tiberius1701> vistas a hog
[09:24] <SilentDis> yeah.  that's what i said.  on a damn laptop.
[09:24] <SilentDis> wasting 1/20 of your battery life on booting up is really a letdown lol
[09:25] <tiberius1701> i wouldnt get rid of vista though, just incase there a good direct x10 game you wanna play, if it will even run
[09:26] <SilentDis> aye, we've made the backup disks, just in case ;)
[09:26] <tiberius1701> good idea
[09:27] <SilentDis> she plays WoW, reads e-mail, and browses the web.  kubuntu is more than she needs lol
[09:28] <dubby> hey anyone im trying to get wma on amarok
[09:28] <dubby> anyone know what library or something would help me out
[09:28] <jerknextdoor> silentdis:  if you replied to my last question, my virtualbox crashed so i'm givin up that stuff for the night i believe before i throw my comp out the window.
[09:28] <nicknack> hi, i'm currently using the kubuntu/hardy (amd64)livecd and want to give kde4 a try, how can i start kde4?
[09:28] <SilentDis> jerknextdoor: I'm unsure why it didn't remove 'em.
[09:29] <tiberius1701> i think the main reason with help a os boot up faster would also be the hdd, some even do raid, but you got a laptop, so hardy im sure will boot up pretty good
[09:29] <SilentDis> nicknack: if you're on livecd, you need the livecd with KDE4 on it.  not sure if it's out yet or not.
[09:29] <nicknack> SilentDis: okay, i gonne have a look, tnx
[09:29] <SilentDis> dubby: I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras and many of my WMAs started working.  medibuntu also helped out with a few more.  if they're encrypted though... you're up a creek, i'm afraid
[09:30] <nicknack> looks like i missed that: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/rc/
[09:32] <SilentDis> nicknack: yep, that's the one you need :)
[09:32] <kmorrissey> hi all, newby here
[09:32] <SilentDis> nicknack: otherwise, you can install what you've got, and install kde4-core afterwords to get 'er going :)
[09:32] <SilentDis> kmorrissey: welcome to the revolution! :D
[09:33] <kmorrissey> is this the place to ask for technical help!?
[09:33] <kmorrissey> Hi SilentDis
[09:33] <SilentDis> kmorrissey: depends.  if we don't have the answer, we can at least direct you where to go to get them :)
[09:34] <kmorrissey> thank you! Is there a way of getting my old windows start key to work the K menu, I tried in keyboard shortcuts but it wont allow me to assign the key without another key with it
[09:35] <kmorrissey> I noticed KDE-4 can do this
[09:35] <SilentDis> kmorrissey: the windows key is usually the <super> key in kubuntu.  should be able to just select it outright if i'm not mistaken
[09:35] <kmorrissey> but I found it very unstable so I installed kubuntu 7.10 with KDE 3
[09:36] <Jucato> kmorrissey: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552742
[09:36] <kmorrissey> I tried that but it wont accept just the super key, it only works with another key i.e <super>+s
[09:37] <Jucato> SilentDis, kmorrissey: by default, you can only use modifier keys in tandem with normal keys. no pure modifier keys combo
[09:37] <me> hey
[09:37] <me> i finally got it working
[09:37] <SilentDis> Jucato: thanks.  at least you got an answer kmorrissey :)
[09:37] <me> stupid monitor
[09:37] <SilentDis> me: grats and junk and stuff :D
[09:37] <kmorrissey> yes thank you Jucato I am reading it now
[09:37] <me> does anyone ever have problems when you boot up your linux and stops working
[09:38] <me> the monitor
[09:38] <me> says 1280x something is the optinual mode
[09:38] <me> i found a way to get around it though
[09:38] <SilentDis> me: define 'stops working'.  as in a blank screen?  can you hit <ctrl><alt><f1> and get to a term at least?
[09:38] <me> yeah
[09:38] <me> it boot right
[09:38] <me> with the txt
[09:38] <me> then when it gets to gfx the screen goes black
[09:39] <me> and says 1260 or something is optimal
[09:39] <me> im using a lcd monitor
[09:39] <SilentDis> me: if you can get to a prompt (on one of your other terms) try reconfiguring your vid card.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:39] <SilentDis> me: that'll take you through setting up the proper vid card, and proper resolution for your monitor
[09:39] <me> but i found a way around it. by resetting the computer with the monitor unpluged and then plug it back up when it gets to the log in screen
[09:40] <me> a new disturbution upgrade is avaliabe aswell should i upgrade ?
[09:40] <me> it wont give me the beta version will it coz i just uninstalled that coz it was rubbish for me
[09:40] <SilentDis> me: sounds like it hits a bad refresh rate and freaks out.  what about just turning the monitor off/on?  I would reconfigure xserver though
[09:41] <me> that doesn work
[09:41] <me> u have to have it off b4 the gfx start
[09:41] <me> then back on once they load
[09:41] <me> but onces im at the login screen its all good
[09:41] <me> should i upgrade my disturbution
[09:41] <me> or not ?
[09:42] <me> its asking me if i want to
[09:42] <SilentDis> me: try doing the reconfigure.  it might just need a proper setup.
[09:42] <SilentDis> me: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:44] <me> how are you today SilentDis ?
[09:44] <SilentDis> me: bored while i install kubuntu 8.04 RC :)
[09:44] <me> i just installed the beta
[09:44] <me> uninstalled
[09:44] <me> i mean
[09:45] <SilentDis> me: beta or RC?
[09:45] <me> beta
[09:45] <SilentDis> me: the RC was just released
[09:45] <me> yeah
[09:45] <me> i was going to upgrade to it from beta
[09:45] <me> but everyone said its to much trouble :(
[09:46] <kmorrissey> another question if you please
[09:47] <kmorrissey> My folders all open on single click, I cant find a setting to enable double click to open.
[09:48] <SilentDis> kmorrissey: the setting is in KMenu > System Settings > Window Behavior
[09:50] <kmorrissey> thank you
[09:50] <SilentDis> yeppers :)
[09:50] <me> how do i find out what version of linux i have
[09:51] <SilentDis> !version | me
[09:51] <ubotu> me: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[09:51] <me> Ubuntu 7.10
[09:51] <me> Release:        7.10
[09:51] <me> Codename:       gutsy
[09:51] <me> is that the latest
[09:51] <me> other then the beta and rc
[09:51] <SilentDis> me: yes, that's the latest released version.  8.04 will be out fully by the end of the month.  the RC just came out
[09:52] <me> what it going to be like
[09:52] <me> same lol ?
[09:52] <SilentDis> !upgrade | me
[09:52] <ubotu> me: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:52] <kmorrissey> i must be stuppid coz I cznt see any setting to enable double click in windows behaviour
[09:52] <SilentDis> me: the notes also have an overview of what's changed
[09:56] <DreadKnight> SilentDis: out in 2 days...
[09:56] <SilentDis> DreadKnight: rockin' thanks :)
[09:56] <DreadKnight> xD
[09:57] <SilentDis> kmorrissey: I'm not seeing the option either, not sure where that option is anymore lol
[09:58] <kmorrissey> Oh well, I will have to let go of windblows!
[09:59] <DreadKnight> kmorrissey: in kde 3.5; kmenu/system settings/mouse&keyboard/mouse/general tab/icons category/double click chekc box
[09:59] <DreadKnight> kde3*
[09:59] <kmorrissey> has anyone tried KDE 4 and found it unstable, I install the Beta of kunbuntu with KDE 4 and found it very unstable
[09:59] <SilentDis> thanks DreadKnight, it's been a while since i've needed that :)
[09:59] <Jucato> kmorrissey: #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 inquiries
[09:59] <kmorrissey> thankyou dreadknight
[09:59] <DreadKnight> kmorrissey: unstable and slugish and incomplete xD
[09:59] <DreadKnight> np guys
[10:00] <kmorrissey> i c
[10:00] <DreadKnight> wait for kde 4.1 at least (ETA is for july i think)
[10:00] <kmorrissey> oh i c differrent channel for different queries, sorry still new
[10:01] <SilentDis> I'd like to see KDE4.  I'm impatient and grabbing 8.04 now lol
[10:01] <DreadKnight> i've been using hardy for weeks
[10:02] <DreadKnight> not much will change until 24th, just some bugfixes..
[10:02] <SilentDis> DreadKnight: i figured as much.  was gonna hop on the last beta, but never got around to it lol
[10:03] <DreadKnight> :-)
[10:03] <SilentDis> so long as I can still run WoW, I'll be happy lmao
[10:03] <DreadKnight> hehe
[10:03] <DreadKnight> at least blizzards games work on linux
[10:04] <me> WoW
[10:04] <SilentDis> yep.  and so long as SC2 works in linux, I'll continue to be happy.  the vid of that one looks AWESOME lol
[10:04] <me> will theme hospital work ?
[10:04] <me> hehe
[10:04] <me> as long as doom 1 works on linux ill be happy
[10:04] <SilentDis> me: do you know if it's DirectX, OpenGL?
[10:05] <DreadKnight> me: maybe, it needs opengl for graphics
[10:05] <me> its a old game
[10:05] <SilentDis> me: lmao natively for that one :D
[10:05] <me> remember theme park ?
[10:05] <DreadKnight> Wine-Doors will port Direct-X to linux ;)
[10:05] <me> wine
[10:05] <DreadKnight> as far as i can tell
[10:05] <me> i hope its got better last time i had linux installed
[10:05] <SilentDis> me: theme hospital then should work just fine via wine, or at the most cedega/wine-doors/etc
[10:05] <DreadKnight> wine-doors is a..... branch of wine
[10:05] <tzd> i am unable to activate my belkin usb bluetooth dongle in hardy, can someone please help?
[10:06] <me> linux makes me a lil horny
[10:06] <SilentDis> me: TMI!
[10:06] <me> TMI ?
[10:06] <SilentDis> tzd: unplug it, then plug it back in, and type dmesg | tail.  !pastebin it so we can see what's going on :)
[10:06] <SilentDis> me: Too Much Information
[10:06] <me> haha
[10:06] <DreadKnight> xD
[10:07] <DreadKnight> there is no spoon
[10:07] <me> i keep double clicking lol
[10:07] <DreadKnight> why double click when you can single click?
[10:07] <me> i know
[10:07] <DreadKnight> there is no going back when you get used to it
[10:07] <me> just need to get used to it
[10:07] <DreadKnight> :-)
[10:07] <Farzad> !java
[10:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:08] <SilentDis> DreadKnight: there is no spoon... at taco bell.  damn spork-lovers. :P
[10:08] <me> where about do u guys live ?
[10:08] <DreadKnight> SilentDis: i'll take your word for that :D
[10:08] <DreadKnight> me: at home, in front of the pc
[10:08] <DreadKnight> me: kidding, Europe/Romania
[10:08] <me> 24/7 lol
[10:09] <Roey> ce faci, DreadKnight?
[10:09] <DreadKnight> bine ^^
[10:09] <tzd> SilentDis: http://pastebin.com/d66d03433
[10:09] <me> hey how do i go through my isp as the mirror to download updates and software
[10:09] <SilentDis> me: I exist in the same plane of reality and time as you, and generally close to your general location, galactically speaking :D
[10:09] <Roey> DreadKnight:  do you mind coming to #linguistics for a sec?
[10:09]  * DreadKnight has a feeling that someone will cone and write !offtopic xD
[10:09]  * SilentDis hides
[10:10] <DreadKnight> Roey: ok i've joined, you should probably support #ubuntu-ro too :D
[10:10] <SilentDis> tzd: the last 2 lines are what we're looking for.  Linux sees it, but has no idea what to do with it.  so it assigns it... nothing, basically lol
[10:11] <Roey> DreadKnight:  heh
[10:13] <SilentDis> brb.  gonna scavenge for food.
[10:13] <tzd> SilentDis: ok, how do i reassign it?
[10:13] <SilentDis> tzd: you'll need to do some research.  you *might* be able to get it to work by giving the kernel a new driver or the like.  is there a model number on this thing?
[10:14] <SilentDis> tzd: when i find stuff like that, I usually search for "model number" linux and see what turns up.  usually someone else has tried it before and got it working
[10:15] <tzd> SilentDis: ok, I'll have a look... it worked with gutsy but since my upgrade yesterday to hardy nothing.
[10:15] <tzd> SilentDis: thanks for your help
[10:15] <SilentDis> tzd: I can think of a few very unelegant hacks to force it (square peg, round hole, large hammer) methods... but i'd rather try to find you something that really works and works well lol
[10:16] <kmorrissey> thanks for your help. cu
[10:16] <SilentDis> tzd: ahhh... if it worked in gutsy but not in hardy, i'm gonna bet on some little driver that needs to be activated, nothing more :)
[10:16] <tzd> SilentDis: yeah that's what I'm thinking too :)
[10:18] <tzd> SilentDis: found the info now after googling with the model no. Thanks :) I'll be back if that solution doesnt work ;)
[10:18] <SilentDis> tzd: rockin!  glad you found it :)
[10:18] <SilentDis> tzd: some little modprobe?
[10:19] <tzd> SilentDis: yep, have to blacklist pegasus kernel... (i have no idea what that means but there are detailed instructions so shouldn't be too difficult)
[10:20] <ultrav1olet> How can I install freetype with BYTECODE interpreter and improvements for LCD display?
[10:20] <SilentDis> ultrav1olet: hmm... that's a new one on me!  let me poke ubotu :)
[10:20] <SilentDis> !lcd
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lcd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <SilentDis> !freetype
[10:20] <ultrav1olet> I can compile freetype manually but I'd like to know if there's an official way of doing that
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freetype - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <SilentDis> !info freetype
[10:20] <ubotu> Package freetype does not exist in gutsy
[10:21] <ultrav1olet> LOL
[10:21] <SilentDis> hmm....
[10:21] <ultrav1olet> any other ideas?
[10:21] <ultrav1olet> it's called libfreetype6
[10:21] <SilentDis> ultrav1olet: I can't poke around in adept right now, it's a bit busy lol
[10:21] <SilentDis> !info libfreetype6
[10:21] <ubotu> libfreetype6 (source: freetype): FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.5-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 640 kB
[10:22] <ultrav1olet> OK, and where can I fetch an unrestrestricted freetype?
[10:22] <SilentDis> !libfreetype
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libfreetype - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <SilentDis> aargh, i can't stay up any longer.  I guess i'll complete my install tomorrow lol
[10:25] <SilentDis> g'night all :)
[10:31] <Ketrel> On Gutsy, does anyone use guidance-power-manager AND have the python-sexy package installed AND NOT have guidance lockup when they bring up the main window?
[10:34] <skabet> I have a problem where my sound card stoped working after i installed a new kernel(through apt-get). Anything i should run for the sound card to be loaded again?
[10:34] <sebbar> do I need anything besides libxine-extracodecs to play m3u files with amarok?
[10:36] <amerigo> ! games
[10:36] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:39] <me> ! games
[10:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:42] <me> im updating my distro
[10:42] <me> its downloaded it and is now installing the upgrades
[10:42] <me> but has been on 0 percent for ages
[10:42] <me> is there anything i can do
[10:43] <martijn_nerd> hello, anyone who knows how to turn off composite/aiglx for an ati card with the opensource drivers?
[10:44] <me> doesnt seem to be anyone here
[10:44] <me> :(
[10:46] <DreadKnight> xD
[10:47] <me> are u guys running mirc ?
[10:47] <Ketrel> I am
[10:47] <Ketrel> but I'm on Windows right now
[10:48] <me> oh
[10:48] <Ketrel> do you need help with it?
[10:48] <me> how do i add my iinet isp to the mirror list
[10:48] <me> so it downloads updates etc through my isp
[10:48] <me> so it doesnt go towards my monthly download quota
[10:49] <Ketrel> Hmm, I can't say I'm familiar with that. I've never had that sort of situation
[10:49] <kblin> hi folks
[10:52] <kblin> I've got a cifs share set up in /etc/fstab, but that's not mounted on booting. I presume that's because when the mounting is done, the network isn't up yet
[10:53] <kblin> is there any problem with doing a mount -a at the end of /etc/rc.local?
[10:54] <me> brb
[10:58] <Ketrel> I just need to get it out there that Almonds are extremely awesome.
[11:02] <ere4si> walnuts are ok too!
[11:03] <Ketrel> Yes, but Almonds have more crunch, unless you mess up and forget to take the shell off.
[11:05] <ere4si> hehe
[11:07] <makdaknife> Ketrel: i believet that with shell they would still have more crunch... but maybe this conversation should be taken to #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[11:07] <Ketrel> makdaknife: what if I said it was a kalmond?
[11:08] <makdaknife> :-)
[11:12] <kblin> what the...
[11:12] <kblin> I just upgraded a box to hardy and the network interface is gone
[11:13] <kblin> lspci doesn't list it anymore
[11:49] <kblin> crap
[11:49] <kblin> this system is really driving me nuts
[11:52] <makdaknife> kblin: what's up?
[11:52] <kblin> makdaknife: I did a dist-upgrade on three identical pcs
[11:53] <makdaknife> kblin: and one of them isn't working like the others?
[11:53] <kblin> makdaknife: two are working fine, the boss' computer doesn't recognize it's network card anymore
[11:53] <me_> hey
[11:53] <jackuntu> hiya are there torrents available for 8.04 or do i have to wait another couple of days, just finished building a new machine and am itching to install :)
[11:53] <kblin> even if I boot the bloody kernel that feisty was using
[11:53] <me_> when i reboot i always have to put the power cord out and then when its gone to the login screen put the power cord to my monitor back
[11:54] <kblin> where I did a network upgrade, mind you
[11:54] <makdaknife> kblin: hmmm doesn't sound good...
[11:54] <makdaknife> kblin: you have the same problem booting off the old kernel?
[11:55] <kblin> yes
[11:55] <kblin> network card doesn't show up in lspci
[11:55] <kblin> and it's on-board
[11:55] <kblin> it's enabled in the bios, I checked that
[11:55] <me_> doesnt kubuntu play avi's ?
[11:56] <kblin> just booting a feisty livecd and checking from there
[11:56] <makdaknife> kblin: anything in dmesg
[11:56] <kblin> nothing with eth0 in it
[11:56] <makdaknife> kblin: hmmm sounds like a good start
[11:56] <kblin> it's like the driver isn't loading at all
[11:56] <makdaknife> kblin: do you know what module it should be loading?
[11:56] <kblin> which surprises the heck out of me, because it was working with the old kernel before
[11:57] <me_> can i play avi movies ?
[11:57] <makdaknife> kblin: presuming that you can check that on the other machines
[11:57] <makdaknife> me_: sure
[11:57] <makdaknife> me_: try kaffeine
[11:57] <makdaknife> me_: or VLC
[11:58] <kblin> makdaknife: r8169, it seems
[11:58] <clau30> kblin: maybe do a sudo modprobe <networkCardDriverName>
[11:58] <kblin> makdaknife: it's a RTL8168b/8111b chipset
[11:58] <makdaknife> kblin: as clau30 says... try a modprobe
[11:59] <kblin> clau30, makdaknife: load, but doesn't change a thing
[11:59] <kblin> *loads
[12:00] <dystopianray> apparently kdm doesn't work properly with nvidia drivers in kubuntu hardy?
[12:00] <me_> where can i get vlc from ?
[12:00] <kblin> it's not recognized on the livecd either :/
[12:00] <kblin> I'm sure it used to work there
[12:00] <clau30> kblin: what does ifconfig show?
[12:00] <ere4si> !info vlc
[12:00] <makdaknife> kblin: odd... it really does sound like the onboard card may be faulty
[12:00] <ubotu> vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5.1 (gutsy), package size 1135 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[12:01] <me_> !info vlc
[12:01] <kblin> clau30: only lo0
[12:01] <makdaknife> kblin: especially if you have two other machines working fine with the same card
[12:01] <kblin> clau30: dmesg doen't show anything new when I load the driver either
[12:02] <clau30> kblin: agree with makdaknife, sounds very strange
[12:02] <kaminix> #cardholder #card #kanjibig p { margin:0; padding:0; font:100pt 'Hiragino Mincho Pro','ヒラギノ明朝 Pro W3','ＭＳ 明朝','ＭＳ Ｐ明朝', serif; }   <--- Out of these fonts I do have ＭＳ 明朝 (MS Mincho), yet it still won't render correctly. Why?
[12:02] <clau30> and lsmod | grep <driver>? kblin
[12:02] <makdaknife> kblin: I did see somewhone use `modprobe r1000` in a forum for the 8111b chipset...
[12:02] <kblin> clau30: it's loaded
[12:03] <kaminix> In KWord it lists as MS Mincho, can I somehow link it to list as both MS Mincho and MS 明朝
[12:03] <makdaknife> s/somewhone/someone/
[12:03] <kblin> clau30: funny thing is that the card doesn't show up in lspci
[12:03] <clau30> kblin: then something is wrong with the card... or cable (try to unplug)
[12:03] <clau30> and maybe do a restart (you have done that probably :)
[12:04] <makdaknife> kblin: definitely sounds like a dodgy card... you will prolly save a lot of time just replacing it... nics are cheap after all
[12:04] <kblin> clau30: the cable seems fine. the card itself is happily blinking it's LEDs
[12:04] <kblin> makdaknife: onboard?
[12:04] <kblin> makdaknife: not that I care, the system is about a month old
[12:04] <makdaknife> kblin: you should have a couple of PCI slots available if the mobo is reasonable
[12:05] <clau30> kblin: hm, dunno what to say..
[12:05] <kblin> makdaknife: dunno. I'm not going to void my warranty by opening it
[12:06] <me_> makdaknife does how fast do you set your mouse cursor ?
[12:06] <kblin> my (software engineer) opinion is that the hardware is faulty and decided to break in the same moment I did my upgrade my coincidence
[12:06] <makdaknife> kblin: hmmm it definitely seems to be hardware related... if new kernel/old kernel/live cd and a comparison with two other functional machines using the same os and hardware
[12:07] <kblin> I just know the shop's going to complain because I blasted the windows they painstakingly installed there :)
[12:07] <kblin> but that's their problem
[12:07] <makdaknife> me_: I'm not sure what you are asking, can you rephrase?
[12:07] <kblin> if they want to install a windows there and prove me wrong, I'm all for that
[12:08] <makdaknife> kblin: sure.... just make sure home is backed up etc
[12:08] <kblin> makdaknife, clau30: thanks for the ideas, in any case
[12:08] <makdaknife> kblin: sorry couldn't be of more assistance
[12:08] <kblin> makdaknife: the system was about to go into production, nothing on there yet
[12:08] <clau30> kblin: yea me too :/
[12:09] <kblin> makdaknife, clau30: ha, no sweat. having the reassurance that I didn't overlook something obvious is nice as well
[12:11] <Bauldrick> hi - does flash work with ff3? (ff3 comes with hardy, no?)
[12:11] <dcorbin_work> When I run rdesktop, it fails.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7758/  Suggestions on how to fix it?
[12:12] <SilentDis> Bauldrick: i just upgraded to 8.04 RC, let me check out youtube :)
[12:12] <Bauldrick> ta
[12:13] <makdaknife> Bauldrick: seems fine for me
[12:13] <SilentDis> Bauldrick: Chad Vader - Day Shift Manager seems to work just fine :D
[12:14] <Bauldrick> thanks, upgrade it is then :)
[12:14] <SilentDis> fear chad vader. or he'll chuck fruit at you from 40 feet away :D
[12:14] <makdaknife> why they set ff3beta as the default browser eludes me... using beta software in a distro release is not a good idea... for one thing, half my extensions stopped working
[12:15] <makdaknife> it doesn't give a great impression to new users
[12:15] <Bauldrick> makdaknife: I agree, suppose you can go back though
[12:15]  * makdaknife thinks maybe he should head over to #ubuntu+1 if he is going to gripe about hardy
[12:16] <SilentDis> makdaknife: I'm a konqueror user.  only thing i was firing up the fox for anymore was a little youtube (seemed to handle some of the pages better is all)
[12:16] <makdaknife> SilentDis: I keep telling myself to make the change... but I love some of my extensions :-(
[12:17] <SilentDis> makdaknife: that's totally understandable. :)
[12:17] <makdaknife> SilentDis: konqi does rock though... and its much nicer to have a browser that integrates with the rest of your DE so well... especially wrt file management etc
[12:18] <SilentDis> makdaknife: yep, and one that actually is standard compliant and works... unlike some other 'integraded' browsers provided by other US-West-Coast based companies... ;)
[12:19] <kblin> what the...
[12:19] <kblin> I just booted without the cable being plugged in, and voila, there's eth0
[12:19] <makdaknife> kblin: miracle?
[12:19]  * kblin goes to replace the cable, just in case
[12:20] <SilentDis> may linus be with you :D
[12:21] <Bauldrick> and how do i change that silhuotte head on login screen?! i'd like a pic from about me to be there
[12:22] <kblin> Bauldrick: iirc, k-menu->system settings->login settings
[12:22] <kblin> Bauldrick: might be in the "advanced" menu
[12:22] <kblin> in any case system settings is a good place to start looking
[12:23] <drif> how could I throttle my eth-traffic?
[12:23] <drif> anything else than cbq?
[12:24] <SilentDis> take care all, i'm off to beddie bye :)
[12:24] <makdaknife> kblin: any answers?
[12:25] <me_> why does it say break install ?
[12:25] <me_> how do i make it install god damn it
[12:25] <ds187> drif: just out of curiosity: why would one like to throttle the eth-traffic?
[12:25] <dcorbin_work> ds187: for development, simulating slow connections.
[12:26] <ds187> ah, i see
[12:26] <me_> what is eman
[12:26] <me_> break install
[12:26] <dcorbin_work> That's one reason anyway.
[12:26] <me_> im in apdept manager
[12:26] <me_> and it tried to install vlc
[12:26] <drif> ds187: also technique which applies to 'internet' traffic is welcome
[12:26] <me_> and it say break install ?
[12:26] <me_> wtf
[12:27] <ds187> drif: for throttling internet traffic just startup your edonkey client and wait for a few minutes ;-)
[12:28] <me_> can someone answer me
[12:28] <drif> ds187: eh.. I was hoping to achieve it _without_ any additional traffic :D so I can provide it for 'higher' purposes
[12:29] <ds187> drif: google just told me something about trickle: http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle
[12:29] <jpatrick> !ohmy | me_
[12:29] <ubotu> me_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[12:30] <ds187> drif: or do you search something completly different
[12:30] <drif> ds187: so you looked for bandwidth shaper? I was after throttling, bandwidth etc. and didn't come up with that page
[12:30] <drif> ds187: hard to say - on first glimpse this could suite my purposes
[12:31] <dcorbin_work> adept_manager is not showing me an "open-ssl-dev" package.  should it?  I w
[12:32] <ds187> drif: i googled for "throttling bandwidth" which brought me to a wikipedia article about bandwidht throttling and there where some external links to bandwidth shapers :-)
[12:32] <drif> ds187: ah, found the cbq on repositories - but only with shaper searchword, not with plain cbq
[12:32] <jpatrick> !info openssl-dev | dcorbin_work
[12:32] <ubotu> dcorbin_work: Package openssl-dev does not exist in gutsy
[12:33] <jpatrick> gah, sorry dcorbin_work
[12:33] <dcorbin_work> ubotu: I'm running a configure command and it complains it cannot find my openSSL directory.  I don't see any includes for it.  Should they be there?
[12:34] <drif> ds187: so thanks for nodging me into the right direction :D shaping was the word
[12:35] <dcorbin_work> !info openssl | dcorbin_work
[12:35] <ds187> drif: i have to thank you. now i know there are people out there who would throttle their bandwidth just because they can :-)
[12:36] <drif> ds187: and wondershaper seems to be the easiest method
[12:37] <drif> ds187: although I'm not sure if one needs also shaper and/or shaperd packages - managed to install in shaper,shaperd,wondershaper order
[12:40] <kblin> makdaknife: well, seems to be working now. man, if I hadn't seen this myself I'd tell the user off for being unable to use his system ;)
[12:40] <makdaknife> kblin: heh... I must admit I would not have a load of confidence with that at the moment
[12:40] <makdaknife> kblin: check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121815
[12:41] <drif> ds187: ehm, better stick with cbq I guess - wondershaper somehow made my ssh laggy - so I need to give prioritites over certain services and wondershaper ain't the tool
[12:41] <kblin> er, just a sec, need to switch to a box where I have a gui
[12:41] <kblin> launchpad is a pain in elinks
[12:45] <kblin> makdaknife: looks different to what I'm seeing
[12:45] <jan__> Heya!
[12:45] <jan__> Can somebody help me ;)
[12:46] <jan__> When i'm trying to run cs 1.6 server ,it says something like: unnable to connect authenticated steam server.
[12:46] <jan__> It's go up, but there is no vac :/
[12:46] <jan__> Have some screenshot :)
[12:46] <noaXess> under systemsettings / apperance / gtk styles and fonts can be a scrollbarfix installed for firefox an thunderbird.. how to uninstall this fix?
[12:46] <jan__> sry bad enlish
[12:51] <jan__> When i'm trying to run cs 1.6 server ,it says something like: unnable to connect authenticated steam server.
[12:51] <jan__> :/
[12:51] <eharry> say
[13:00] <esperegu> Anyone knows what might control the shift to stay on after pressing it? Is that configurable somewhere?
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Ive seen some 'features' befor to enable sticky-keys.. but ive never noticed them being enabled by default.
[13:01] <Dr_willis> accesability features, sort of things.
[13:01] <esperegu> Dr_willis: yeah. seams to make a difference
[13:01] <esperegu> thx!
[13:01] <esperegu> should everything be disabled there?
[13:02] <Dr_willis> thats the kind of things i see in windioes that gets triggered onceya start playing a game and hit shift/ctrl a few timnes fast.. :)
[13:02] <Dr_willis> such an annoying feature
[13:02] <Dr_willis> ive never had an issue with it being enabled under kde by default.. when in doubt disable them all
[13:02] <esperegu> Dr_willis: well.
[13:03] <esperegu> kubuntu also somehow 'automaticly' enables them..
[13:03] <esperegu> I've been trying to debug my keyboard the whole morning, not understanding why it suddenly is 'sticky'
[13:04] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever seen it on by default. but if you keep your /home seperate - it might of been somting i turned off ages and ages ago
[13:04] <esperegu> =)
[13:15] <v6lur> is there a way to make a konqueror servicemenu "send file with skype" (like in windows)?
[13:30] <squid0> hi. has anyone had any experience using the kde obex (bluetooth) sending tool with multiple local bluetooth devices? I can't select which bt device to use to send, where I have 2 possible ones
[13:31] <me> hello
[13:31] <me> i really really need some help
[13:31] <me> im going insane
[13:31] <me> stupid lcd monitor
[13:31] <me> samsung peice of crap !
[13:32] <Tm_T> me: stop, wait one minute, then rephrase your issue ;)
[13:34] <me> when i turn on the computer everything loads grub etc. then when it comes to the gfx the lcd screen goes blank. But sometimes if i pull out the power cord to the lcd when i turn it on then put it back when it loads to the login screen it sometimes works !
[13:34] <me> says sometimes to not optimal reso
[13:35] <me> and when the lcd went on standby it didnt come back just blank !
[13:36] <me> can anyone help me ?>
[13:36] <Dr_willis> if its being told to use a res it cant handle it will do that.
[13:36] <Dr_willis> I like my samsung 226bw
[13:39] <me> i have a samsung syncmaster 913v
[13:39] <me> but how can i change it
[13:39] <me> i love this kubuntu feel but if i am unable to fix this i will have to go to vista
[13:40] <Dr_willis> are you using dvi or vga conector?
[13:40] <me> dvi ?
[13:40] <me> vga i think
[13:40] <Dr_willis> and whats your video card.
[13:40] <me> 6600GT nvidia
[13:40] <Dr_willis> if using VGA..  ick.. if you can use DVI then use DVI.
[13:41] <reel_> hi, is there a key to activate code-folding in kdevelop for the whole file instead of folding each function ?
[13:41] <me> what is dvi ?
[13:41] <me> how can i tell the diff
[13:41] <Dr_willis> with my system and some nvidia cards. I could not set the res properly on the monitors to some ranges. Untill i installed the nvidia drivers.
[13:41] <Dr_willis> vga = the old fashined ones you have seen for years.
[13:41] <Dr_willis> dvi - different look/conectors
[13:42] <me> vga
[13:42] <me> its all i know
[13:42] <Dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI
[13:42] <me> i got the nvidia driver installed
[13:42] <Dr_willis> given how much better dvi looks then vga.. I would throw away the vga cables and use dvi if you possibially can.
[13:43] <me> i got the monitor working now....... with a trick i did but its really annoying pulling out the cord everytime i boot up and waiting for the login screen and sometimes that doesnt even work
[13:43] <Dr_willis> you dont gain anything by using vga on mondern hardware that supports dvi.
[13:43] <me> it doesnt have a dvi cord plug
[13:43] <me> throw the lcd away ? lol
[13:43] <me> throw it at the FUCKING WINDOW
[13:43] <me> hahah
[13:43] <me> sorry ubot
[13:43] <Dr_willis> I have gotten rid of all my old lcd's that dident support dvi.
[13:44] <me> i got this lcd for giving a friend a bottle of spirits
[13:44] <Dr_willis> it is well worth the $$ to upgrade to a newer monitor that can handle dvi. The picture will look MUCh nicer.
[13:44] <me> im poor
[13:44] <me> i read gas metres
[13:44] <me> lol
[13:44] <Dr_willis> plus DVI can send the proper info back to the video card. so you rarely have mode issues.
[13:45] <Dr_willis> ive told this to several gamers at work and they dident belive me.. Untill they Finally got a dvi monitor...
[13:45] <Dr_willis> Then they were like.. "i wished i had changed ages ago! i can read the little fonts now!'
[13:45] <Dr_willis> "_
[13:45] <me> lol
[13:45] <me> ill bbl man
[13:45] <me> ramsey kitchens on
[13:50] <Tm_T> !ohmy | me
[13:50] <ubotu> me: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[13:59] <Dr_willis> Lawmaker calls for no-cost, porn-free, wireless 'Net access ..... Hmm... i would rather see 'spam' free.. :)
[14:02] <oldmanemu> anyone know if there is a dsl (damn small linux) irc channel?
[14:03] <Dr_willis> #DSL last i looked..if anyone was in there
[14:03] <Pici> oldmanemu: try /msg chanserv list *dsl*
[14:03] <Dr_willis> User Forums  	http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi
[14:05] <henki> Is it a log somewhere about the latest updates/upgrades done with the update_manager?
[14:06] <henki> sorry adept_manager
[14:10] <tzd>  i have an issue with my ipod shuffle (1gb) and hardy. When i plug in my ipod Amarok and Kontact hangs. I have to reboot to get it working. Can someone please help me?
[14:15] <ds187> !nvidia
[14:15] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:26] <genii> tzd: Since Hardy isn't officially supported yet, please try #ubuntu+1
[14:26] <tzd> genii: thanks!
[14:26] <genii> tzd: Good luck with it
[14:26] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:26] <gribouille> can I install the rc of 8.04 safely ?
[14:27] <genii> BluesKaj: Hi :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> hi genii :)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> gribouille: if you have low end ati graphics , you'll be disappointed with Hardy
[14:28] <gribouille> BluesKaj, why ?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> <---may be forced into investing in a stand alone graphics card
[14:29] <gribouille> BluesKaj, what's the problem ?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gribouille: no 3D or DRI
[14:29] <genii> gribouille: The Release Candidate is fairly safe to upgrade to, but you still may want to wait til after official is out (2 days is not that long to wait)
[14:29] <gribouille> genii, what can happen in 2 days ?
[14:30] <gribouille> BluesKaj, is it worse than gutsy ?
[14:30] <genii> gribouille: Fixes,patches
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I just tried it out and the restricted driver used in Gutsy isn't available
[14:31] <gribouille> genii, are there known issues with the rc ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> unless you install it yourself and try to edit the xorg.conf file
[14:31] <gribouille> is it possible to install kubuntu without burning a CD ?
[14:31] <genii> gribouille: A couple bugs on Launchpad so far, yes
[14:31] <BluesKaj> gribouille: just a simple warning ... I would wait for the official release
[14:32] <tzd> how come the app "gwenview" is default in kubuntu? Or perhaps it's just me that might have installed it after?
[14:34] <Jucato> tzd: it is the default in Kubuntu. and it's the default in KDE 4 now as well
[14:34] <gribouille> is it possible to install kubuntu without burning a CD ?
[14:35] <tzd> Jucato: ok. What about ksquirrel... that sounds a bit more like a KDE app to me but then again I'm a *nix newbie
[14:35] <Jucato> huh?
[14:35] <Jucato> gwenview is a kde app, if that's what you're wondering about
[14:36] <Jucato> (fwiw, ksquirrel looks exactly like gwenview...)
[14:46] <albuntu> hello to all. can anyone tell me please a good and easy gui application to watermark videos with my own image ?
[14:47] <Admiral_Chicago> albuntu: have you tried kino?
[14:47] <genii> albuntu: Since you also asked in #ubuntu ... KDE or Gnome?
[14:47] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never done video editing but i know Kino is promoted by many
[14:50] <albuntu> genii: kde thanks. i am going to try kdenlive
[14:51] <albuntu> someone suggested it to me in #ubuntu
[14:51] <W8TAH> anyone here know how to make konversation play a sound on receipt of a message in Query or DCC chat?
[14:51] <Jucato> W8TAH: Settings -> Configure Notifications
[14:52] <W8TAH> Jucato: ive checked there -- i dont see anything relating to pms
[14:55] <Ace2016> Hi al
[14:55] <Ace2016> all*
[14:55] <Ace2016> what wireless manager do you use?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> configure konversation/highlight/enable sound for highlighted items
[15:00] <kaminix> How would I make a font alias so that a made up font name links to another font?
[15:04] <jhutchins_wk> kaminix: why?
[15:05] <kaminix> jhutchins_wk: I'm not sure pages linking to MS ゴッチク will get MS Gothic on my system. :/
[15:05] <enrique> spanish
[15:07] <enrique> send please the link for spanish
[15:07] <Admiral_Chicago> !es
[15:07] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:14] <rdw> my problem is that when my notebook wakes up my laptop display stays shut. (i use xinerama, my 19" lcd goes awake). my network also stays suspended. any hints?
[15:25] <sylwuchna> hi
[15:25] <SlimeyPete> hi
[15:25] <sylwuchna> its working
[15:25] <sylwuchna> :]
[15:36] <venik> is the RC release the same as the final release, or should I wait a few more days?
[15:38] <Roihclem> venik: there will be changes, but it probably won't make much difference...
[15:40] <darx> hi k3b fails to write dvd rw.
[15:40] <Admiral_Chicago> venik: RCs are tested for the "best" RC to chose as the final release afaik
[15:40] <darx> what ca i do?
[15:40] <darx> *can
[15:42] <BluesKaj> darx, write from ?
[15:42] <darx> BluesKaj: from file.
[15:42] <darx> ??
[15:43] <Roihclem> darx: does it give an error?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> darx , choose the data dvd option ?
[15:44] <darx> it just says that if failed to erase
[15:45] <darx> does erasing work for you guys?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> it doesn't erase dvdrws , it just writes over the existing data
[15:45] <darx> then why does it try to erase in the first place?
[15:45] <darx> I haven't explicitly asked it to.
[15:46] <darx> I just went to the make video dvd option and dragged some vob files and stuff to the video_ts folder and hit burn
[15:46] <darx> my optical media being dvd-rw, k3b tries to preformat and fails to erase
[15:47] <darx> If i'm doing it wrong, what's the proper way to do it?
[15:47] <jak_74> hello
[15:47] <darx> I tried with growisofs from the command line and that tried to erase and failed.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> darx, have you installed kubuntu-retricted-extras ?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> restricted
[15:49] <darx> BluesKaj: no its not installed
[15:49] <darx> should i install that package?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> ok, you could try by unchecking "automatically erase " in configure k3b/advanced settings
[15:51] <darx> but then, how would i erase if needed later?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> it helps with codecs that unlawful stateside
[15:51] <darx> oh
[15:51] <darx> so is k3b unable to erase rw media without the restricted package?
[15:52] <dyn-fo> Hi/Salut :D
[15:52] <BluesKaj> darx,you can manually erase from the 'tools' tab
[15:52] <darx> cool
[15:53] <darx> i'll see how far this goes :)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> no darx, but it may not burn unrecognized codecs
[15:53] <BluesKaj> hence the restricted-extras
[15:53] <dyn-fo> Someone can help me ? :p
[15:54] <SlimeyPete> !ask
[15:54] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[15:55] <dyn-fo> I have KDE (but i had Gnome before) when i intalled KDE, konkeror and kopete, and other tools of KDE dont work with the connexion
[15:55] <darx> BluesKaj: so if i have a video_ts and audio_ts folders of a non encrypted DVD, should i just burn those as data?
[15:55] <dyn-fo> but firefox is still workin'
[15:56] <darx> what i was trying to do was to go to video dvd option and drag and drop the contents of the video_ts folder to the video_ts folder inside of k3b's burn pane.
[15:56] <jak_74> I am having a sound issue with my laptop. installed kubuntu Gutsy today on Dell D830 and I have no sound can someone help Please?
[15:57] <Roihclem> dyn-fo: have you configured your network settings in the system settings?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> darx , you should try "newvideo dvd project " first , if that doesn't work then I've found 'data" burned dvd works on newer standalone players
[15:57] <Roihclem> jak_74: do you know if the soundcard has been detected?
[15:58] <darx> BluesKaj: No go,, it tries to preformat and then prompts that the erase failed
[15:58] <jak_74> it does not appear that way the speaker Icon says "Mixer cannot be found"
[15:59] <jak_74> I am sorry I am very new at this
[15:59] <jack__> hi, just installed kubuntu 7.10 and am trying to do the adept updater, but i get an error "could not commit changes" ?
[15:59] <the_jonathan> hello!
[16:00] <BluesKaj> darx, maybe a different dvdrw, just to eliminate faulty media
[16:00] <the_jonathan> hope you had a good day :)
[16:00] <the_jonathan> and now i have a (stupid? :D) question once again ;)
[16:01] <genii> jak_74: Open Konsole, and put the command:  lspci | grep Audio                         and then tell us if the result says some HDA type of audio device please
[16:03] <the_jonathan> umlauts are displayed as small boxes in e-mailsubjects in kontact
[16:03] <the_jonathan> :/
[16:03] <jak_74> Here is the results "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)"
[16:03] <Roihclem> jack__: I suggest you try running 'sudo apt-get install' in konsole
[16:03] <SeicherlBoB> how can i modify the entries in remote:/ ?
[16:04] <the_jonathan> i already tried to change the coding to the once that is used in germany but that only affected the e-mail-content thats now displayed correctly
[16:04] <the_jonathan> but the subjects are still displayd wrong...
[16:04] <genii> jak_74: Very well. There are then some additional steps to take regarding these adapters.
[16:04] <genii> !intelhda | jak_74
[16:04] <ubotu> jak_74: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[16:05] <jak_74> ok I will look at that site thank you!
[16:05] <genii> jak_74: If you experience problems with the instructions please refer back here for asistance
[16:06] <Roihclem> SeicherlBoB: the desktop files for remote are stored in ~/.kde/share/apps/remoteview/  You can edit them there
[16:07] <SeicherlBoB> Roihclem: perfectly fine! thanks a lot
[16:07] <jack__> Roihclem: I'm doing kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" hope it works :)
[16:09] <Roihclem> jack__: good luck :)
[16:11] <venik> any Zune users here?
[16:12] <kmorrissey> hi everyone
[16:12] <Roihclem> hey kmorrissey
[16:13] <kmorrissey> I just installed compiz on kubuntu 7.10 it was working fine but now, none of the effects are working its like the 3d is switched off anyone no how I can enable 3d graphics
[16:14] <kmorrissey> i lost the title bar in all the the windows just before this happened
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> kmorrissey: what graphics card do you have
[16:14] <kmorrissey> nvidia
[16:15] <kmorrissey> i am already using the propiertory drivers
[16:15] <kmorrissey> in other distros I no there is a control panel to enable 3d graphics, but I cant seem to find simular in kubuntu
[16:16] <Roihclem> kmorrissey: have you restarted X or kubuntu since compiz crashed?
[16:16] <kmorrissey> yes, no luck
[16:16] <Roihclem> are you using gutsy?
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> what does "glxinfo | grep -i Direct" say?
[16:16] <kmorrissey> it didnt exactly crash it just switch off!!!
[16:16] <tzd> my mounted fs doesn't work as they should. The mount dirs are always taken for some reason? Need help please!
[16:16] <kmorrissey> 7.10
[16:17] <kmorrissey> direct rendering = yes
[16:19] <icewaterman> when i try to scan something with my scanner i run into the following problem: 1) i can scan as long as i like if i do it page after page without too much time in between. 2) if i wait for 5 minutes the scanning app wont respond when i try to scan again. when i restart the app i can scan again
[16:19] <icewaterman> isnt the scanners fault because works on windows xp just fine.
[16:19] <nosrednaekim> kmorrissey: then go to #compiz-fusion
[16:19] <icewaterman> but i hate to start the application from time to time again.
[16:20] <Roihclem> tzd: so you're mounting a partition, and after a while, it becomes unmounted and you cannot access your files?
[16:21] <Roihclem> icewaterman: are you using kooka?
[16:22] <icewaterman> Roihclem: sometimes, but happens also with xsane
[16:22] <icewaterman> Roihclem: or gimp using xsane
[16:23] <icewaterman> Roihclem: i am using an usb scanner so i suspect its something usb-related though i experience this problem on several boards with entirely different chipsets
[16:23] <tzd> Roihclem: no, i can't mount a drive that should be mounted automatically according to my fstab. It's suppose to mount to /media/sdc1 but it wont mount automatically anymore. Instead it assigns itself a new name. It used to be /dev/sdc1 but now it's all of a sudden /dev/sdd1
[16:23] <icewaterman> Roihclem: i even had the same problem on debian
[16:24] <Roihclem> icewaterman: sounds more like its a problem with the driver kubuntu is using for the scanner.  I have no idea what so all about that though, so sorry I can't help :(
[16:25] <Roihclem> tzd: is it a removable drive?  (a USB drive)
[16:25] <tzd> Roihclem: yes. I also have the same issue with an ipod shuffle
[16:26] <Roihclem> tzd: is the entry in fstab using the drive's uuid, or just /dev/foo?
[16:27] <tzd> Roihclem: /dev/...
[16:28] <tzd> Roihclem: i have a link to my fstab in pastebin if that helps?
[16:28] <Roihclem> tzd: You can try mounting by uuid rather than /dev/.  I've had the same thing using usb drives
[16:28] <Roihclem> tzd: might do... link away
[16:28] <tzd> Roihclem: http://pastebin.com/d5a7650f9
[16:28] <tzd> Roihclem: the thing is that it worked before
[16:31] <Roihclem> tzd: I had trouble because I was mounting different drives in different orders (with card readers and things).  I'm not sure how kubuntu is meant to mount them, so I don't know if its not working or just normal behaviour
[16:31] <genii> Roihclem: When you have many external storage devices, best to use UUID for mounting, then the system cannot confuse them, as with /dev names
[16:32] <tzd> genii: i see. So by entering the devices UUID in my fstab then i won't have messed up mount points?
[16:32] <Roihclem> genii: yeah, I figured that might be the case.  It hasn't really been a problem for me though.
[16:34] <genii> tzd: It won't think /dev/sdd which is a certain device one day depending on order you plugged in your devices is /dev/sde the next day for instance. The UUID doesn't alter, as the /dev names do
[16:34] <genii> tzd: To find the UUIDs on your system, usually the command: blkid         will tell you them
[16:35] <tzd> genii: i see. Then that's my issue :) Thanks for your help and thanks to Roihclem as well for helping :)
[16:35] <Roihclem> tzd: no worries :)
[16:35] <tzd> genii: is the cmd really: blkid ? nothing happens when i try that
[16:36] <hydrogen> genii: or you could just use halrules to make the mountpoints static..
[16:36] <smlsteve> greetings
[16:36] <mkultras> hello !
[16:37] <Roihclem> good morning!
[16:37] <mkultras> so kubuntu 8 is out now its no longer beta ?
[16:37] <bleh> o.O
[16:37] <smlsteve> can we recieve helpful tips about using kubuntu here
[16:37] <mkultras> yeah i think we can
[16:37] <mkultras> i have before her
[16:37] <mkultras> e
[16:38] <smlsteve> ok great
[16:38] <Roihclem> mkultras: Kubuntu 8.04 hasn't been officially released yet.
[16:38] <smlsteve> i am new to the OS but i like what i see so far
[16:38] <smlsteve> very user friendly
[16:38] <mkultras> i just put gnome on my kubuntu i couldnt get kde working for me just yet i'm not used to it
[16:39] <mkultras> ah i see
[16:39] <genii> tzd: If blkid does not give you UUID of your disks, try instead: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
[16:39] <mkultras> its just a release candidate rc so that means its testing still i gues
[16:39] <genii> hydrogen: I'm not overly familiar with halrules (at least not yet:) )
[16:40] <tzd> genii: that worked, although now i have all UUIDs but i don't know which one is which :/
[16:40] <smlsteve> i had a problem with kubuntu 7.10 right out of the box with adept locking up after half of the updates installed and killing the grub menu
[16:40] <mkultras> tzd: you can look in /etc/fstab to see which uuid goes to which mount point i think
[16:41] <smlsteve> found resolution in BUGs.kde.org
[16:41] <tzd> mkultras: it only covers 2 out of 8 UUIDs im afraid
[16:41] <mkultras> oh i see
[16:41] <genii> tzd: You can remove the drive, do ls /dev/disk/by-uuid, reinsert it, issue again the command and then you will know which it is
[16:41] <mkultras> try blkid.tab instead then
[16:41] <noaXess> i backup some files with rsync to a synology NAS..
[16:41] <genii> (the one which does not appear when drive is not in)
[16:41] <tzd> genii: simple as it gets, nice one! Sorry for not thinking that one out ;P
[16:42] <noaXess> rsync will preserve the user/group perms.. but the synology NAS doesn't support this..
[16:42] <noaXess> i can't found the option from rsync to disable preserving group and user perms..
[16:42] <noaXess> any idea?
[16:42] <ds187> tzd: just do an "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" then it should show you the disk-names
[16:42] <flipstar> tzd: btw you have to run blkid as root..then it will nicely list the drives
[16:42] <smlsteve> any good programs for sync ing my wm device with kubuntu
[16:43] <smlsteve> guess not
[16:43] <genii> tzd: You can alternately do: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[16:43] <ds187> genii: that's what i said :-)
[16:43] <tzd> thanks ds187 and flipstar... worked like a charm now :D
[16:43] <mkultras> smlsteve: whats a wm windows media ?
[16:44] <genii> ds187: Ah, didn't see it :)
[16:44] <ds187> :-)
[16:44] <JackWinter> is it a bad idea to mount /home on a separate fs in order to share it between kubuntu, ubuntustudio and possibly 64bit ubuntu?
[16:52] <kmorrissey> hi again!!!
[16:52] <kmorrissey> ok the only way I can get compiz to run is to use the command $compiz --replace
[16:53] <kmorrissey> anyone no how I can make compiz work on startup
[16:53] <tzd> genii: almost done with my fstab but i have a question regarding the top 2 "defaulted" mounting points in there. One looks like this: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0   Is that really correct?
[16:53] <genii> tzd: Yes
[16:54] <tzd> genii: ok cool. The other one that looks a bit strange is: UUID=8be5e179-d8e3-450c-b750-6573e4162930  ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
[16:54] <ubuntu> scuse me ?
[16:54] <ubuntu> -?
[16:54] <SlimeyPete> hi
[16:54] <ubuntu> i'm french
[16:54] <tzd> genii: that other one is right underneath. It doesn't seem to have a mount point specified?
[16:54] <ds187> !fr | ubuntu
[16:54] <ubotu> ubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:54] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu: you're welcome to speak english in here, or else:
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> ^^ that ;)
[16:55] <genii> tzd: It's (/proc) a dynamic directory which has info that is always changing
[16:55] <genii> tzd: No mountpoint doesn't look right. Probably it's /
[16:55] <ubuntu> thank tou
[16:55] <ubuntu> you ><
[16:55] <genii> The 0 1 at end indicate the root fs (/)
[16:55] <kmorrissey> also when I acivate compiz i get 32 desktops that I cant cut back to 4
[16:56] <genii> kmorrissey: Change the virtual number of desktops in the ccsm
[16:56] <tzd> genii: should i set it to "/" ? I don't have any other mounts in my fstab that has root specified so you must be right?
[16:57] <kmorrissey> genii I tried that but its already on 1
[16:57] <genii> tzd: Don't yet make any change. Pastebin the /etc/fstab for a look first please
[16:57] <tzd> genii: ok
[16:57] <tzd> genii: http://pastebin.com/d6251166b
[16:58] <genii> kmorrissey: Right now I don't have Compiz on to go check exact place to change it. They will know exactly where it is in the compiz channel tho. I think it's #compiz or possibly #compiz-fusion
[16:59] <genii> tzd: Reading
[16:59] <kmorrissey> ok thanks
[17:01] <genii> tzd: I would definitely say thats your /  although why no mountpoint seems to work I don't know. It would not hurt to specify it
[17:01] <tzd> genii: I've modified my fstab now with uuid so it should work now i think :) Before i had /dev/...
[17:02] <tzd> genii: thanks once again! :)
[17:03] <BluesKaj> anyone trying to install apps in Canada using the *.ca repos is in for a long wait ..commenting out any *.ca debs is recommended ..then add the us counterpart universe and multiverse repos if you can http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.debian/browse_thread/thread/6db73bec270939e8
[17:04] <Pici> BluesKaj: What does that link have to do with what you just said?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> Pici, you can copy and paste the required debs from the page into your sources.list if you want ...the canadian repositories are down
[17:10] <BluesKaj> BBL, errands
[17:11] <grigris> hi to all
[17:20] <ubuntu> hi
[17:20] <ubuntu> all
[17:20] <genii> BluesKaj: When the .ca repo goes down, i use instead debian.yorku.ca
[17:21] <ubuntu> who was french ?
[17:21] <ds187> !fr | ubuntu
[17:21] <ubotu> ubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:21] <ds187> :-)
[17:21] <ubuntu> thank
[17:21] <ubuntu> m
[17:22] <tzd> genii: changing all the fs to UUID in fstab solved all my issues, including the one with my ipod. Excellent help! Thanks a bunch :)
[17:22] <genii> tzd: Glad to help :)
[17:23] <tzd> genii: it's good there are ppl like you, otherwise I'd be sitting here the whole next week trying to figure out what might be wrong.... Now I'm able to go out and enjoy the sun out here :)
[17:23]  * genii sits in his dungeon office-closet and wonders what sunlight looks like
[17:24] <genii> ;)
[17:24] <llutz> genii: but you still remember, that there is a sun outside.. respect
[17:24] <genii> llutz: True, true
[17:26] <rajiv_nair> hello
[17:27] <rajiv_nair> i just installed KDE 4.0.3 on my GNOME+KDE gutsy install. Now when i login to KDE 4 kiba dock,avant window navigator and screenlets run automatically on startup and my kicker is missing
[17:27] <rajiv_nair> any ideas?
[17:30] <genii> rajiv_nair: They may be of more help in the channel #kubuntu-kde4
[17:31] <rajiv_nair> alrightey
[17:31] <rajiv_nair> thanks
[17:43] <reese> hi! does anybody know how to solve this in kaffeine? anytime I load subtitles, it gets me a "URL not found path_video#subtitle:path_subtitle". It worked last week, but now I'm unable to load subtitles. didn't get help in #kaffeine
[17:44] <BluesKaj> genii , does the debian yorku repos work ok with gutsy apps ?
[17:45] <genii> BluesKaj: Yup, and Hardy
[17:45] <BluesKaj> genii, I have to ask
[17:45] <BluesKaj> ok thx
[17:45] <genii> np
[17:47] <Uwo> 4
[17:48] <jussio1> Uwo: ?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> genii , testing main non-free contrib and sid main non-free contrib ?
[17:48] <genii> No, York University
[17:48] <genii> nvm :)
[17:48] <mifauna> hola
[17:48] <BluesKaj> deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
[17:48] <mifauna> como estan
[17:49] <Pici> !es | mifauna
[17:49] <ubotu> mifauna: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:50] <Uwo> hi all. i renamed my wifi router and changed the password... i can now no longer connect to it by changing sys settings (problem with IP although dhcp) or through wireless assistant (still "connecting to..." old name + fails)... i can however connect through iwconfig + dhclient..... my Q: are there still some old settings in a file anywhere, how could i change them manually (through kate)?
[17:50] <Uwo> i now have to do the iwconfig + dhclient every time i start the computer... it no longer connects automatically
[17:55] <BluesKaj> Uwo, you might check init.d and look for the router.conf file and edit the name there
[17:58] <Uwo> blueskaj:tnx. where exactly is the init.d file?
[17:58] <eddieftw> Uwo: /etc/init.d
[17:58] <eddieftw> cd /etc
[18:00] <Ketrel> On Gutsy, does anyone use guidance-power-manager AND have the python-sexy package installed AND NOT have guidance lockup when they bring up the main window?
[18:01] <genii> BluesKaj: Dunno about sid, but they have several dists there, and all the *buntu ones. You could browse it by the url maybe
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Uwo,you could edit by using the  run command as well , alt+F2, ' kdesudo konqueror /etc/init.d ' . That gives permission to edit the file save it.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ok genii , thx much
[18:02] <Uwo> BluesKaj: only problem is that init.d is a dir, i am still looking for a file which would include the wireless settings
[18:04] <genii> BluesKaj: I sometimes look there in http://debian.yorku.ca/ubuntu           for specific packages in main or so
[18:05] <kaksnsdj> hej. how to install kde4 on kubuntu 8.04 RC?
[18:08] <unix_infidel> join #virtualo
[18:08] <unix_infidel> whoops.
[18:09] <sorush20> how do I sumcheck a cd
[18:10] <kaksnsdj> hej. how to install kde4 on kubuntu 8.04 RC?
[18:10] <jacalope> anyone have access to a printable kde shortcut cheat sheet
[18:10] <mirash> help please
[18:11] <jacalope> and secondly does anyone know a default shortcut in kde (kubuntu) where you can instantly open up a new email for you to write?
[18:11] <mirash> can i order kubuntu6.06LTS through shipit?
[18:11] <mirash> anyone?
[18:11] <genii> mirash: Yes you can
[18:11] <mirash> it is the only compatible version for my pc
[18:11] <mirash> how???
[18:12] <mirash> on the shipit page, only kubuntu8.04LTS is there
[18:12] <mirash> anyone help me
[18:14] <genii> mirash: It mst have been changed recently. Previously it was 6.06 and 7.10 available
[18:14] <BluesKaj> hmm, genii, got url for the browsing the york repos ?
[18:15] <genii> BluesKaj: http://debian.yorku.ca/ubuntu     is what i start at for ubuntu
[18:16] <rbrunhuber> I'm trying to install ubuntu and have a ata config disk in partitioner. Whats this?
[18:28] <zorglu_> q. how come security.ubuntu.com is not mirrored like others ?
[18:28] <stdin> it is
[18:28] <kaminix> Why won't KDE show MS Gothic on a page which specifies it?
[18:28] <genii> It's mirred in the way like you see universe main      and so on
[18:29] <stdin> in the <release>-security repository
[18:29] <kaminix> Might sound like a small problem, but when reading Japanese it is not since a Chinese fonts will show Chinese varities of the characters instead of Japanese ones.
[18:29] <zorglu_> stdin: ah ok. maybe it is me being unlucky. all my ubuntu install for on fr.* for 'normal'
[18:29] <muesli> kaminix: it probably doesn't have the font installed
[18:29] <zorglu_> stdin: and security.ubuntu.com without any .fr, for security
[18:29] <kaminix> muesli: I have MS Gothic installed, it shows fine in Friedfox
[18:30] <stdin> zorglu_: the reason why we don't default to having any mirror for <release>-security is because some mirrors don't update very often, so we make sure you're pointed at the main server
[18:30] <steveire> Hi I tried backing up a dvd with k3b and it failed with 'Failed to retrieve all CSS keys'. Any other method I can use? I can play the dvd fine...
[18:30] <pod1> sup playas
[18:30] <zorglu_> stdin: ah ok, this explains it
[18:31] <eddieftw>  /msg mirash hello?
[18:31] <eddieftw> oops
[18:31] <eddieftw> is mirash still around?
[18:31] <stdin> not in here anyway, mir<tab> turns up nothing
[18:31] <Pici> eddieftw: nope
[18:31] <zorglu_> q. is there a known issue between a recent kernel and a libc6 bug on ubuntu feisty ? my hosted server crashes frequently and im told this is a software issue
[18:31] <eddieftw> :/ i was just about to offer help
[18:37] <djouallah> is opera available to kubuntu8.04
[18:38] <djouallah> i searched in adept without result ?
[18:38] <stdin> from the canonical partner repo, yes
[18:38] <stdin> should be in Add/Remove
[18:39] <djouallah> i checked already all the ressource list
[18:39] <lantius> hello, I've installed Kubuntu 6.06 and I've installed nvidia drivers from repositories. Nevertheless It doesn't work, If I change the load to drive, nv to nvidia, it stops at the beginning with the kde logo. I have a nvidia TNT2 , what should I do?
[18:39] <ScorpKing> hiya stdin
[18:40] <stdin> hey ScorpKing
[18:40] <ScorpKing> lantius: have you tried the binary drivers?
[18:41] <djouallah> xine extra plugin, it is here but can't check it ?
[18:42] <stdin> djdarkman: make sure you have all the repos enabled, from Adept: Adept->Manage Repositories and check all the boxes
[18:42] <lantius> ScorpKing, Binary drivers are in the repositories , aren't they ?
[18:42] <stdin> erm, djouallah
[18:42] <ScorpKing> lantius: no
[18:42] <ScorpKing> !nvidia | lantius
[18:42] <lantius> ok
[18:42] <lantius> !nvidia
[18:42] <ubotu> lantius: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:43] <lantius> Thanks
[18:43] <ScorpKing> lantius: the link should be on there. if you have problems come back here. i'll be here for a few hours
[18:43] <djouallah> sorry, what is erm !
[18:43] <lantius> As usual, you are very helpful.
[18:43] <ScorpKing> !info erm
[18:43] <ubotu> Package erm does not exist in gutsy
[18:43] <stdin> djouallah: the message above was for you, not djdarkman
[18:43] <ScorpKing> lantius: np :)
[18:44] <djouallah> stdin already done all, aprt from source !
[18:45] <djdarkman> omg, I gotta get another nick :D
[18:46] <ScorpKing> djdarkman: make it djdarkman-hijacked ;)
[18:46] <djouallah> i have a new relative ;)
[18:57] <djouallah> ok even in opera web site, there is no package for 8.04
[18:59] <_dennister> hey channel...hoping to get some help with network manager...problem present in 2 newly-configured machines
[19:00] <_dennister> on this one i get no error messages in dmesg or syslog, but when I try to get lisa going I get: NetManager::prepare: bind (TCP) failed, errno: 98
[19:01] <_dennister> that same message is on other machine (differrent symptoms, too), but i want to leave that one for now
[19:02]  * ScorpKing has to reboot quickly.. brb
[19:03] <gomoran2> Hello, I'm just ugrading a kubuntu gutsy to hardy. Now all Fonts look ugly (blured and colored), even setting lcd_filter to lcdfilterlegacy does not help (any more). How do I get decent glyphrendering back?
[19:06] <_dennister> anybody got any ideas? I've already tried fiddling with hosts and such on the other machine, does no good...lisa doesn't show up in system settings-->networking, and although zeroconf is enabled there, nothing shows up (I can ping other machines)
[19:19] <_dennister> anyone available to help with networking? i understand it's quiet sometimes, and people do other things
[19:20] <_dennister> something new I've seen: trying to restart networking and some added info: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[19:20] <Arrow> Hi all
[19:21] <_dennister> howdy...u have a problem? or can u help with networking?
[19:21] <Arrow> anyone get Kubuntu booted on a late model Phenom?
[19:21]  * Arrow is having 'issues'
[19:21] <Ruairidh> Hey all
[19:21] <_dennister> not me
[19:21] <Ruairidh> _dennister: you have a networking problem?
[19:21] <_dennister> i'm having issues, too, but this channel is quieter than usual
[19:22] <_dennister> Ruairidh: yes :)
[19:22] <Ruairidh> What's the issue? I'll see if I can help :)
[19:22] <_dennister> new install, can surg easily, no probs, but can't get lisa going
[19:22] <Arrow> I 'did' manage to update my Mobo BIOS that's a step
[19:22] <Ruairidh> Bleh no good with the apps mate, sorry :(
[19:23] <_dennister> or actually, it is listening, but that and zeroconf are problematic...lisa doesn't show up in system settings-->networking
[19:23] <_dennister> szeroconf is enabled there, but  not showing network or other machines i can ping
[19:23] <Arrow> I downloaded the KDE4 version of Hardy...it says kernel immage is corrupted...
[19:24] <Arrow> that's desktop 64 bit
[19:24] <Seren__> is there a way to know what type of USB I have on my system other that using lspci ?
[19:24] <Arrow> the 32 bit on boots fine
[19:24] <_dennister> if i try to restart networking, terminal gives me: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[19:24] <_dennister> Ruairidh: is that enough info for u?
[19:25] <Ruairidh> Yeah just thinking about it
[19:25] <Ruairidh> I'm not great with the applications, more into the guts of internetworking :p
[19:25] <_dennister> Seren__: u can try installing hal-device-manager
[19:25] <Ruairidh> brb
[19:25] <_ZeuZ_> Guys, is there any performance drop after installing Qemu or similar?
[19:26] <Ruairidh> Damn, got guests. Sorry about this
[19:26] <Seren__> dennister : I'll have a look at what it does
[19:26] <_dennister> Ruairidh: k...going out for a cig
[19:26] <Ruairidh> ^^
[19:26]  * Arrow will return..(that's a threat)
[19:26] <Arrow> later all
[19:29] <_ZeuZ_> Guys, is there any performance drop after installing Qemu or similar?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> _ZeuZ_, most virtual OS's slow down somewhat vs the real thing
[19:35] <_ZeuZ_> BluesKaj, thing is I don;t want the emulator to slow down my system when it's not in use
[19:37] <_dennister> BluesKaj: hi there :) that supergrub.iso you gave me really helped with tecra8000 and mini.ixo installation :)
[19:38] <BluesKaj> _ZeuZ_,is it running in the background as a daemon , ready to launch at a moment's notice , ...you could check in system settings/advanced/system services, to check whether it's booting at start up
[19:38] <BluesKaj> cool, _dennister , glad it worked
[19:38] <_dennister> the main problem with the tecra is that w2k is still faster than xubuntu or kubuntu
[19:38] <_dennister> linux crawls :(
[19:39] <djdarkman> is there a way to get the install date of linux?
[19:39] <djdarkman> I mean I would like to know when I installed my kubuntu
[19:40] <mooper> hi, how do I install an rpm on me ubuntu?
[19:40] <djdarkman> mooper: you need to install alien
[19:40] <BluesKaj> _dennister, actually w2k is MS's best OS ...this from ppl I used to work with , who still swear by it not at it :)
[19:40] <djdarkman> but it`s not recommended, to install rpms on ubuntu mooper
[19:41] <djdarkman> mooper: what rpm do you want to install?
[19:41] <ubuntu> can anyone temme frm where i get java for kubuntu
[19:41] <_dennister> but right now I have another networking problem with two machines...and this one i'm working on now has lisa listening on wrong interface...only 0.0.0.0...when i try to restart lisa from terminal i get: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[19:41] <genii> djdarkman: If you ls -ld on an originally created dir like var or usr it should reflect the day you installed
[19:41] <mooper> A proprietary widget thing for backups
[19:41] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , use adept pkg manager to install java
[19:41] <djdarkman> hmmmm good poitn genii
[19:41] <_dennister> i can ping other machines on the network, but that's it...zeroconf is enabled in system settings-->network, but doesn't show up or do anything
[19:42] <djdarkman> ubuntu: search for sun-java
[19:42] <andyt> uname -a ?
[19:42] <_dennister> ahhhh...genii: :-)
[19:42] <mooper> djdarkman: A proprietary widget thing for backups I think itll be okay
[19:42] <genii> hi _dennister
[19:42] <djdarkman> mooper: sudo apt-get install alien
[19:43] <mooper> djdarkman: thanks
[19:43] <djdarkman> mooper: and then sudo alien -i rpm_file_name.rpm
[19:43] <djdarkman> np mooper , hope it`ll work
[19:43] <_dennister> genii: can you help me with simple netwworking problem here? BluesKaj is helping ubuntu
[19:44] <BluesKaj> _dennister, 127.0.0.1 perhaps?
[19:44] <_dennister> BluesKaj: no, 0.0.0.0
[19:44] <genii> _dennister: Work is busy but if you can stand the lag I'll be back and forth from the computer
[19:45] <BluesKaj> try 127etc
[19:45] <TameLion> Hi all! Is there any way to get fx2 or fx3 working with the kde file picker? The ui.allow_platform_file_picker set to false still uses the ooollld one
[19:45] <_dennister> genii: no, its ok, i may have to put this machine away for a little while...got other things/machines i have to get done today
[19:46] <ScorpKing> _dennister: i didn't follow you whole post . did you replace one of you cards perhaps?
[19:46] <mooper> djdarkman: balls, it cant find java
[19:46] <mooper> :) might have to get a bit of centos on the go
[19:47] <ScorpKing> mooper: java is in kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:47] <djdarkman> mooper: do you have java?
[19:48] <_dennister> ScorpKing: no, i didn't...i just have lots of machines I've been working on refurbishing here
[19:48] <ScorpKing> djdarkman: oh ok. what cards is enabled in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
[19:48] <_dennister> this one has always had the same nic/mac address
[19:48] <ScorpKing> ugh..
[19:49] <ScorpKing> _dennister: that was for you ^
[19:49] <djdarkman> ScorpKing: :D
[19:49] <ScorpKing> hehe.. ;)
[19:50] <_dennister> ScorpKing: thx a lot
[19:51] <ScorpKing> _dennister: found the problem?
[19:51] <_dennister> nope
[19:52] <ScorpKing> _dennister: is eth0 just missing? what does lshw | less say? press q to exit less
[19:53] <_dennister> when i go to restart networking thru /etc/init.d...i still get: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[19:53] <_dennister> yet i can surf, and obviously i can talk to you guys
[19:53] <ScorpKing> _dennister: what interfaces does ifconfig show?
[19:55] <_dennister> ScorpKing: hold on a sec
[19:55]  * ScorpKing holds on..
[19:56] <_dennister> ScorpKing: ifconfig shows what i expect: eth0 and lo
[19:57] <ScorpKing> is eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or is it something else??
[19:57] <_ZeuZ_> !hydra
[19:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:57] <_ZeuZ_> !thc-hydra
[19:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thc-hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:58] <_dennister> lshw | less shows a lot of info...the eth0 card i'm expecting, and a f/m i haven't even started configuring/testing yet
[19:59] <trappist> I've got some nfs4 exports shared successfull, but I can't make them read-write.  no errors, just permission denied when I try to write, even as root.  any ideas?
[19:59] <ScorpKing> _dennister: ok it looks like eth0 is not set up correctly
[19:59] <trappist> *successfully
[19:59] <ScorpKing> trappist: root can't write nfs
[20:00] <trappist> oh?
[20:00] <ScorpKing> trappist: look at the uid of the owner on the nfs mounts
[20:00] <_dennister> ScorpKing: and eth0 is showing up in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[20:01] <ScorpKing> _dennister: did you doublecheck your interfaces file?
[20:01] <trappist> ScorpKing: got it working, thanks :)  woulda never figured that out
[20:01] <ScorpKing> trappist: you're welcome. it took me a while to figure out myself when i tried to dd to nfs.
[20:02] <_dennister> ScorpKing: yes i did double-check interfaces awhile back and it's open again now
[20:02] <ScorpKing> _dennister: can you pastebin the eth0 section?
[20:03] <_dennister> i see nothing wrong, but i'll pastebin the whole thing; it's short
[20:03] <_dennister> !pastebin
[20:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:04] <_ZeuZ_> !install hydra
[20:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install hydra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:04] <ScorpKing> !msg | _ZeuZ_
[20:04] <psycose> hi
[20:04] <ubotu> _ZeuZ_: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[20:04] <ScorpKing> ugh.. wrong one sorry
[20:05] <_ZeuZ_> ?
[20:05] <_ZeuZ_> x'D
[20:05] <_dennister> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64022/
[20:05] <psycose> How can i know all packages present in a K/Ubuntu CD (alternate or not) or DVD ? thanks
[20:05] <_ZeuZ_> Any tutorial for installing THC-Hydra in Ubuntu?
[20:05] <ScorpKing> _dennister: #iface eth0 inet dhcp is the problem. uncomment it
[20:06] <ScorpKing> _ZeuZ_: not even sure what that is. have you tried searching the forums?
[20:07] <_ZeuZ_> I just need it to clear my routers cache, I forgot the password, and I cannot reset it, have no phisical access to it
[20:07] <_ZeuZ_> psh, gonna use Backtrack to get rid of that problem...
[20:08] <_dennister> ScorpKing: lol...how could i have missed that?...done
[20:08] <ScorpKing> _dennister: it happens. :) try it now
[20:10] <genii> _ZeuZ_: Geth the source from http://freeworld.thc.org/releases/hydra-5.4-src.tar.gz then use checkinstall (install it if neccesary) to make a deb which you can then install/uninstall from package manaher
[20:10] <_dennister> ScorpKing: i did try it, but netstat is still showing the same results: lisa is listening on 0.0.0.0
[20:10] <genii> *manager
[20:10] <genii> Bah, he left
[20:11] <_dennister> although i'm ot getting error messages
[20:11] <ScorpKing> _dennister: i have no idea how to change the route on the fly. haven't got around looking into that yet.
[20:14] <_dennister> ScorpKing: it may be all right, actually...perhaps it's because i haven't had two networking interfaces for so long that i've forgotten about the interfaces file...later today/over next few days I'll be building a dhcp server for pxe installations, so i Needed this refresher i guess
[20:15] <_dennister> also unusual is that these machines where I've been having difficulty with lisa/networking have the linux f/modems, which I'm not using to dealing with at all
[20:15] <ScorpKing> _dennister: edubuntu does all of that for you btw ;)
[20:15] <_dennister> ScorpKing: ahhhhhhh, but these machines I'm refurbishing are for teenagers, and they'll be turned off by anything with "edu" in it :)
[20:16] <ScorpKing> _dennister: well, modems.. i'd rather not go there but www.linmodems.org is a good start
[20:16] <ScorpKing> _dennister: you can change all the graphics ;)
[20:17] <_dennister> the networking I have been doing for myself are usually more advanced...samba, servers...with just single ethernet cards...........yes, i know about linmodems
[20:18] <_dennister> ScorpKing: more than I want to do for the kids, I'm afraid...i want them to learn how to customize their pc's to their liking....I'm just ding basics like making sure hardware & multimedia is working
[20:18] <ScorpKing> _dennister: also, run aptitude search edubuntu / ltsp and see if the ltsp server shows up. it will make things a lot easier for you
[20:18] <ScorpKing> ah i see
[20:19] <_dennister> yes, i have been looking at ltsp for a terminal server project I'm doing for a consultant who's coming over tomorrow...he hasn't touched linux in over 10 years, so I need to do a test machine now for ubuntuserver (hardy release candidate)
[20:20] <_dennister> i'm just gonna give them the server, no gui at all, for his client's family
[20:20] <ScorpKing> _dennister: i wish you all the best then. *ubuntu has it all so just keep looking ;)
[20:20] <_dennister> parents want something ugly their daughters won't touch :-)
[20:21] <_dennister> ScorpKing: yes, and I should get going now...i thing I now know what the problem is on both these machines...ty :)
[20:21] <ScorpKing> you're welcome. good luck and have fun
[20:21] <_dennister> later folks...i knew it was something simple i was forgetting :)
[20:26] <mooper> I have cups-pdf installed but its not coming up as a printer. Any Ideas?
[20:33] <Riddell> Kubuntu CDs up for testing!
[20:34] <bin4ry> hey together
[20:35] <bin4ry> i need to access a link:  crid://foo.bar  with firefox. Firefox cant handle the protocol
[20:39] <bin4ry> any1?
[20:40] <PhilRod> bin4ry: if no one here knows, try #firefox
[20:40] <spanther> bin4ry:  what do you want? :)
[20:40] <bin4ry> okidoke
[20:40] <bin4ry> spanther: i want to access a link    crid://foo.bar    firefox cant handle the proto "crid" since it doesnt know it
[20:41] <spanther> i see
[20:41] <spanther> tried with konversation?
[20:41] <spanther> uh sorry lol
[20:41] <spanther> konqueror i mean
[20:41] <bin4ry> uhm...no?
[20:41] <bin4ry> how?
[20:42] <spanther> um okay not supported either...
[20:42] <spanther> i have no clue
[20:42] <bin4ry> well i could register it manualy
[20:43] <bin4ry> and due to the assumption that it is a videostream i could link it to xine
[20:49] <TimS> Whats the shortcut to get the window settings dialogue up, I fullscreened a program and aren't sure how to un full screen it
[20:49] <emilsedgh> TimS: i think F11
[20:49] <TimS> Nope :(
[20:50] <spanther> 8.04 uses KDE3 ?
[20:50] <emilsedgh> spanther: two diferrent versions.
[20:50] <emilsedgh> !kde4
[20:50] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:51] <spanther> emilsedgh: i just installed kubuntu 8.04 with wubi and then i started in a really pretty desktop :D
[20:51] <spanther> so clean buttons animations and window decorations
[20:52] <emilsedgh> spanther: yeah, kde4 is really nice.even if its so incomplete ;)
[20:52] <wietse> hi guys
[20:52] <wietse> i've just accidentically deleted my bar at the bottom of my OS
[20:52] <spanther> emilsedgh: well i am not sure that it is kde4 because its not black and ugly like preview pictures of kde4 :P
[20:52] <llutz> nice for screenshots, nothing to work with (yet)
[20:52] <wietse> which like shows application running etc, and icons
[20:52] <wietse> can anyone help me get it back?
[20:52] <llutz> wietse: alt-f2: kicker
[20:53] <wietse> llutz: i luv yu
[20:53] <emilsedgh> spanther: hm.open an application and go to Help->About KDE
[20:53] <livingdots> so, konversation works well...
[20:53] <wietse> :p
[20:53] <llutz> wietse: sry, i'm married
[20:53] <spanther> emilsedgh:  it is 3.5.9
[20:53] <wietse> hmm shame
[20:53] <wietse> too bad
[20:53] <wietse> ciao!
[20:53] <spanther> but the design is so awesome lol
[20:54] <emilsedgh> spanther: well, KDE3 rocks too :D
[20:54] <spanther> i've seen some "i hope" really beta pics of KDE4 with an ugly black bar what had big buttons for people who need glasses and with fonts without smoothing so it looked yeah...ugly xD
[20:55] <emilsedgh> spanther: you have no idea how great is KDE4 (not 4.0)
[20:55] <spanther> well it looks ugly :(
[20:56] <spanther> not so pretty than my 3.5.9 with these round shiny glossy window decorations in blue colour hehe
[20:57] <spanther> how to check the designs name?
[20:57] <emilsedgh> spanther: because KDE3 was developed and tested for years.but kde4 is just born
[20:57] <emilsedgh> spanther: if you really want to know what do i mean, go to kde.org's screenshots gallerry and compare 3.0 with 3.5
[20:57] <sparklingshrew> yeah, I'll be waiting until it's matured a bit :(
[20:57] <spanther> my KDe doesnt look standard i looks well more shiny
[20:58] <spanther> kde.org doesnt have this design i have here
[20:58] <spanther> they have the original standard KDE3 design
[20:58] <emilsedgh> spanther: yeah.kde3's default look is ugly
[20:59] <spanther> how to check theme
[20:59] <emilsedgh> spanther: check theme of what?
[20:59] <spanther> themes installed where i can switch them and look which one is activated now :)
[21:00] <emilsedgh> spanther: System Settings->Appearance
[21:01] <spanther> its marked as "Current Scheme" lol
[21:01] <spanther> so i still cant see which one it is by name :/
[21:02] <spanther> ah window decoration is Crystal
[21:02] <spanther> 1.0.5 built march 11 2008
[21:03] <spanther> its so pretty *-*
[21:04] <spanther> widget style is QtCurve
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> qtCurve rocks...
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> especially since there is a kde4 style :)
[21:05] <spanther> well i host it :)
[21:06] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: QtCurve when you have Oxygen?! :P
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: yeah oxygen is way better, but then kde3 apps look out of place and ugly
[21:07] <spanther> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4/snapshot2uu2.png
[21:07] <spanther> so small + clean + glossy :D love this one
[21:08] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: right.i used to love my kde3 look, but now that i have kopete from kde3 and others from kde4, i just dont like it anymore.oxygen is too beautiful
[21:09]  * nosrednaekim prays for a kde3 oxygen theme
[21:09] <spanther> i love themes with shiny and slim window decorations and thin scroll bars :)
[21:09] <spanther> including small but high res icons
[21:10] <spanther> brb reboot
[21:11] <Dragonath> hmm so how do I find out which region my dvd player is set to?
[21:13] <spanther> help o.o
[21:17] <wietse> is there a command that would list all the .jpg's on my machine and their locations?
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> wietse: yeah.... do "man find" i'm not sure what the exact syntax will be
[21:20] <spanther> http://pastebin.com/m15866b81  <-- whats this somebody knows about ?
[21:20] <trappist> wietse: sudo find / -iname '*.jpg'
[21:20] <JackWinter> is there anything i should watch out with when sharing /home/user between kubuntu/ubuntustudio and maybe 64bit us ?
[21:20] <sourcemaker_> I have tested the "Now listening" plugin for kopete... but it does not work... are there known problems?
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker_: you need to be running amarok
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> JackWinter: nope
[21:21] <sourcemaker_> nosrednaekim: yes... I have and the messages is shown in kopete... but my friends do not see the messages of my current playing tracks
[21:21] <wietse> thanks trappist
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker_: so you see the results of /media, but your freinds don't?
[21:22] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: so just the occasional backup of dot files etc..?
[21:22] <coggz> are we allowed to ask for help with... hack... problems?
[21:22] <ScorpKing> !warez
[21:22] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[21:22] <sourcemaker_> nosrednaekim: yes.. that's the problem
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> JackWinter: that'd be smart, yes
[21:23] <sourcemaker_> nosrednaekim: there are all using the icq client... not kopete
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> sourcemaker_: I see.... try typing in /media here...
[21:23] <ScorpKing> coggz: does that awnser you question? ;)
[21:23] <coggz> ScorpKing: not pirate software,
[21:23] <spanther> ScorpKing:  hack not crack :P
[21:23] <coggz> ScorpKing: about folder access
[21:24] <ScorpKing> coggz: ask away then :P
[21:24] <coggz> anyone suggest a good channel
[21:24] <spanther> http://pastebin.com/m15866b81 <-- maybe somebody??
[21:25] <ScorpKing> spanther: is gconftool installed?
[21:25] <spanther> ScorpKing:  i dont know
[21:26] <spanther> its a fresh system made with wubi
[21:26] <ScorpKing> spanther: aptitude search gconftool and look for i on the beginning of the line of gconftool-2
[21:26] <spanther> but i cant install gconftool
[21:27] <spanther> aah gconf2 :) thank you scorp
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> this would be #1 a ubuntu question and #2, a hardy question which means #ubuntu+1
[21:27] <ScorpKing> you're welcome spanther :)
[21:27] <spanther> nosrednaekim: you're wrong its kubuntu with kubuntu splash and KDE :P
[21:27] <spanther> ScorpKing:  ^^
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> spanther: then why do you need gconf? thats GNOME
[21:28] <spanther> nosrednaekim: i dont know what is what i am not a professional okay ????
[21:29] <spanther> i dont know why
[21:32] <_ZeuZ_> !rt73
[21:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt73 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:34] <spanther> will they ship kubuntu 8.04 final release with torrent too? because http would be overloaded at the first few days hehe
[21:35] <Ruairidh> I'd imagine so
[21:35] <Ruairidh> It'd be logical at least
[21:35] <spanther> yep and faster :)
[21:35] <Ruairidh> Which equates to pure win :D
[21:36] <spanther> or killing the internet xD
[21:36] <spanther> stressed network hehe :)
[21:36] <Ruairidh> Stressed networks are never fun
[21:37] <spanther> well internet for real is just a big network :)
[21:37] <Ruairidh> Well it's actually an amalgamation of small networks
[21:37] <Ruairidh> That's why we say internetwork ;)
[21:37] <spanther> international network *g*   internet
[21:38] <Ruairidh> It's not an international network as such, it's like the world's biggest cluster :P
[21:38] <spanther> none of these SL clients will run there's a file missing well okay any other good game with 3D then? :/
[21:38] <Ruairidh> OpenArena? RTCW:ET?
[21:39] <spanther> someting what can use 8800gt maybe? :)
[21:39] <Ruairidh> Pong? :p
[21:39] <spanther> is there a quake wars demo?
[21:39] <spanther> lol @ pong xD
[21:39] <Ruairidh> That I don't know, not a big gamer
[21:39] <Ruairidh> Wee brother has it on windows but I doubt that counts
[21:40] <spanther> i wanted to leave windows as soon i can so i switched to nvidia today my card arrived and yeah i think very soon i'll reformat my harddrive for 8.04 :D
[21:40] <spanther> when its final *g*
[21:41] <Ruairidh> Heh
[21:41] <Ruairidh> I used to run a VM
[21:41] <Ruairidh> And then decided a smaller hdd for linux would be cool
[21:41] <Ruairidh> And finally moved over here for my tech work. I only use windows for Counter Strike now
[21:41] <spanther> wine still doesnt support it? xD
[21:41] <Ruairidh> Yeah it does but the frame rate isn't fantastic
[21:42] <Ruairidh> So I go native
[21:42] <spanther> i dont know when but once my ATI card really worked at linux :D then i used wine and this worked too lol but after a wine update it didnt work anymore..
[21:42] <Ruairidh> Weird
[21:42] <Ruairidh> I feel kinda guilty, I'm on gnome atm but am in #kubuntu
[21:43] <spanther> but i really wanna get rid of these annoying phone calls for activation and "lets see what's your hardware" spy shit x.x
[21:43] <spanther> linux is stable these days so yeah
[21:43] <christophoros> how can i install flash on kubuntu ?
[21:43] <Ruairidh> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:43] <spanther> christophoros: flash-plugin-nonfree :)
[21:43] <Ruairidh> Ah missed a hyphon :p
[21:43] <spanther> xD
[21:43] <Ruairidh> sudo apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree
[21:43] <karthikp> christophoros: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras takes care of this and more. Definitely recommend that as a first thing to do with a fresh install.
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> Ruairidh: no you got it right
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> flashplugin-nonfree
[21:44] <Ruairidh> Oh cool, go me :D
[21:44] <spanther> thought flash and plugin would be two different words sorry then :)
[21:44] <christophoros> karthikp any other tips to do on fresh intall ?:p
[21:44]  * Ruairidh hits spanther with a fish
[21:44] <Ruairidh> :D
[21:44] <spanther> lool
[21:45] <spanther> for ubuntu is it ubuntu-restricted-extras then ?
[21:45] <karthikp> I used to have a long list of things to do, mostly to get different formats to play etc. But kubuntu-restricted-extras is one awesome package.
[21:45] <Ruairidh> May well be yeah
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> spanther: yes
[21:45] <Ruairidh> Anyone fancy putting forward some music recommendations?
[21:45] <karthikp> Also, you need to do one more thing to get DVDs to play...
[21:45] <christophoros> Building dependency tree
[21:45] <christophoros> Reading state information... Done
[21:45] <christophoros> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:45] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$
[21:45] <christophoros> any ideas?.
[21:45] <spanther> 202mb downloading oh my.. lol :D
[21:45] <Ruairidh> libdvdcss?
[21:45] <Ketrel> On Gutsy, does anyone use guidance-power-manager AND have the python-sexy package installed AND NOT have guidance lockup when they bring up the main window?
[21:45] <Odd-rationale> karthikp: sudo /usr/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[21:45] <karthikp> I believe it runs along the lines of sudo /usr/lib/doc/libdvdread3/install.sh or something.
[21:46] <karthikp> Odd-rationale: bingo!
[21:46] <Odd-rationale> karthikp: let me double check...
[21:46] <spanther> http://planetquakewars.net/Download/Overview?fileId=3822  <-- for all who wanna play Quakewars demo at linux :)
[21:46] <Odd-rationale> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> pretty close...
[21:47] <karthikp> christophoros: KDE3 or KDE4?
[21:47] <Ruairidh> Thanks spanther
[21:47] <spanther> Ruairidh:  np just found a nice server with good speed and without registration hassle :)
[21:47] <Odd-rationale> also, assuming you installed libdvdread3 which kubuntu-restricted-extras usually puuls in...
[21:47] <spanther> i love to share hehe
[21:47] <christophoros> KDE3
[21:48] <christophoros> KDE3.5.8 actualy ;p
[21:48] <karthikp> Odd-rationale: That was the first step...
[21:48] <Ruairidh> Sharing is awersome
[21:48] <spanther> so am i able to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray with 8.04 ?
[21:48] <Ruairidh> This is why the Open Source community rocks :D
[21:48] <spanther> Ruairidh: yup
[21:48] <Ruairidh> All we need now is hot chicks willing to share ;)
[21:48] <spanther> <-- *ugly chick* lol
[21:49] <Ruairidh> haha
[21:49]  * karthikp rolls eyes.
[21:49] <christophoros> kathrikp ?
[21:49]  * Ketrel sobs silently :(
[21:50] <Ruairidh> Ok so for some interesting discussion
[21:50] <karthikp> christophoros: yeah?
[21:50] <Ruairidh> Why is KDE > Gnome?
[21:50] <christophoros> its KDE3
[21:50] <spanther> Ketrel: whats up? :(
[21:50] <Ruairidh> I know it's a bit of a volatile question but I feel kinda agnostic
[21:50] <acidBURN> is kubuntu 8.04 going to be LTS or is it just Ubuntu ?
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> !worksforme
[21:50] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[21:50] <karthikp> I was just asking because you could also go ahead and pull in some extragear stuff for plasma if you were using KDE4...
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> acidBURN: no kubuntu will not be lts
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> acidBURN: ust Ubuntu
[21:51] <Ketrel> spanther, certain python packages cause guidance to lock up when I try to view the main part
[21:51] <christophoros> why the command isnt working ?
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> ah.. wrong factoid
[21:51] <acidBURN> nutz
[21:51] <christophoros> Building dependency tree
[21:51] <christophoros> Reading state information... Done
[21:51] <christophoros> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:51] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$
[21:51] <Ruairidh> Reckon I should go KDE?
[21:51] <nosrednaekim> Ruairidh: mostly because its far more configurable
[21:51] <Ruairidh> True
[21:51] <spanther> Ketrel: aww ._.
[21:51] <karthikp> christophoros: You might need to enable the universe repositories.
[21:51] <Odd-rationale> christophoros: try this "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[21:51] <spanther> !offtopic
[21:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:51] <Ruairidh> I just don't like the windows feeling of it
[21:51] <Ruairidh> It's almost *too* friendly
[21:52] <acidBURN> Odd-rationale: any reason why? , since they are based on the same linux
[21:52] <Ruairidh> Bleh since I like you lot I'll keep on KDE
[21:52] <karthikp> I'd scoot over to /etc/apt/ and edit sources.list (sudo, please).
[21:52] <Ruairidh> 1 sec, I'll leave GNOME
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> acidBURN: because of kde4
[21:52] <acidBURN> using kde3
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> acidBURN: kde3 will probably not be maintianed for another 2 years...
[21:52] <acidBURN> ok
[21:52] <karthikp> Then, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" (for good measure).
[21:53] <spanther> well x/k/ubuntu really needs a virus scanner with realtime background scanning and shield process sure there arent that much viruses out yet but it would give me a much better feeling when theres a automatically updating helper in background :)
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> 3.5.9 is the last frontier of kde 3 series
[21:53] <karthikp> Then, try installing kubuntu-restricted extras again.
[21:53] <karthikp> The graphical way involves clicking with mice...
[21:53] <acidBURN> dam, we are caught in between...the movement
[21:54] <Ruairidh> And I'm on KDE :D
[21:55] <Ruairidh> Bleh just feels way too much like windows
[21:55] <illusion> hello folks
[21:55] <Odd-rationale> illusion: hi
[21:55] <Ruairidh> hi
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> Ruairidh: make it feel different.. tis not hard :)
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> hello illusion
[21:55] <illusion> Im trying to install linuxmce on kubunti live
[21:55] <spanther> hey i love its near to windows :P
[21:55] <Ruairidh> Mind recommending some ways? I'm a wee bit of a noob to KDE
[21:56] <illusion> but ill get an mysql error when installing it
[21:56] <illusion> does anybody know how I can fix it?
[21:56] <Ruairidh> spanther: I've been suckled upon hardcore IOS CLI that will eat you if it isn't pleased
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> Ruairidh: do "ctrl+alt+f1" and it will 	really	 feel like Linux...
[21:56] <Ruairidh> Shoves me into console only?
[21:57] <spanther> i hate shell <.< terminal is okay for some things but shell well...
[21:57] <Ruairidh> Hehe
[21:57] <Ruairidh> Well if you SSH in to do some server admin it's pretty sexy
[21:57] <Ruairidh> Otherwise a GUI is welcome
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> Ruairidh: hard core kde control center can be run using "kcontrol" you can do anything in there, just mess around :)
[21:58] <Ruairidh> ooooh
[21:58]  * Ruairidh plays
[21:58] <Ruairidh> :D
[21:58] <spanther> i live in 2008 so GUI is needed :P
[21:58] <spanther> DOS is over
[21:58] <illusion> lol
[21:58] <Ruairidh> Haha
[21:58] <Ruairidh> Unless you work in internetworking
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> Ruairidh: and if you mess things up and can't put it back, then just remove your ~/.kde folder
[21:59] <Ruairidh> Then if you can do it all via CLI then you get paid more
[21:59] <Ruairidh> Odd-rationale: duly noted
[21:59] <illusion> does anybody knows a answer to my question?
[21:59] <bat_> ciao come va??
[21:59] <mooper> hullo, how do I login as another user from konsole?
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> mooper: su username
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> illusion: whats the exact error?
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[22:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:00] <bat_> qualcuno parla italiano
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> !it | bat_
[22:00] <ubotu> bat_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> mooper: su username
[22:01] <bat_> ok
[22:01] <Devourer> Is there an advantage to using Konqueror over FireFox?
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: you like it better?
[22:01] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, is there much of a difference?
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: yes there is..
[22:01] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, such as what? :D
[22:01] <happytiger> How can at boot time choose between to diffrent xorg.conf files?? aka from grub menu kindda
[22:02] <happytiger> to = two
[22:02] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: konq uses khtml, ff uses gecko (which supports more sites)_
[22:03] <bat_> Scusate ma sono nuova come facci in questo prog ad andare su ubuntu .it
[22:03] <Odd-rationale> a webkit  kpart is being developed, so soon konqueror will be just as good as ff
[22:04] <bat_>  Scusate ma sono nuova come facci in questo prog ad andare su ubuntu .it
[22:04] <Hydrogen> Thats an incorrect thing to say Odd-rationale..
[22:04] <Odd-rationale> Hydrogen: well i'm excited about it... :)
[22:04] <Ruairidh> Hehe this is awesome
[22:05] <Ruairidh> I love linux
[22:05] <Ruairidh> bat_: canta per me il inno di morte per favore
[22:05] <bat_>  Scusate ma sono nuova come facci in questo prog ad andare su ubuntu .it
[22:05] <Ruairidh> :s
[22:05] <Ruairidh> Bleh my italian needs improving
[22:05] <Ruairidh> Something about your sound
[22:06] <bat_>  Scusate ma sono nuova come facci in questo prog ad andare su ubuntu .it
[22:06] <Ruairidh> no comprende
[22:06] <Ruairidh> ingles per favore
[22:06] <Ruairidh> :(
[22:06] <Odd-rationale> Ruairidh: maybe he doesn't know how to /join ubuntu.it ?
[22:06] <Ruairidh> Mi dispiace sinor, no parlo bene l'italiano
[22:07] <bat_> ok thanks
[22:07] <Ruairidh> Prova # ubuntu.it
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> Ruairidh: see what I meant when I said KDE was more configurable? :)
[22:07] <Ruairidh> Indeed :D
[22:07] <Ruairidh> Having fun toying with it
[22:08] <Ruairidh> Amarok and Akregator are pretty awesome as well
[22:08] <illusion> [23:00] <nosrednaekim> illusion: whats the exact error?
[22:08] <illusion> nosrednaekim:  its just like mysql cant be installed, installation canceled
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> illusion: could you please pastebin the exact error?
[22:09] <illusion> hmmz, ill try since it's a gui/installer issue
[22:10] <illusion> i need a screenshot for ya
[22:10] <illusion> looks like it's runnin atm, after useing the orrignal langage pack
[22:11] <Odd-rationale> illusion: http://imagebin.ca
[22:11] <illusion> when using the dutch language it fais
[22:11] <Ruairidh> Racist app?
[22:11] <Ruairidh> :p
[22:11] <illusion> lol
[22:11] <illusion> hmmz
[22:11] <Ruairidh> brb
[22:11] <illusion> same error
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> illusion: run "sudo apt-get install packagename"
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> illusion: which will give you a better error
[22:12] <illusion> i will show the screenshot
[22:13] <illusion> http://imagebin.ca/view/6r8TBP.html
[22:14] <bat_> Scusato sono nuova come faccio ad andare su Ubuntu.it??
[22:14] <SlimeyPete> !italian
[22:14] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:14] <illusion> i will try to install mysql server
[22:15] <illusion> crap i need to edit the sources.list
[22:15] <spanther> does somebody know where to get 1680x1050 resolution wallpaper with term linux ?  (like tux or something else cute wallpaper :)  )
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> bat_: type "/join #ubuntu.it"
[22:15] <Ruairidh> spanther: try deviantart?
[22:16] <illusion> mysql isnt available in the current sources.list
[22:16] <spanther> Ruairidh: i dont know devianart :)
[22:16] <illusion> nosrednaekim: Odd-rationale ----> http://imagebin.ca/view/6r8TBP.html
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> illusion: I never tried installing mce. sorry..
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> oh great.,... a independant installer
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> illusion: try #linux mce
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> *linuxmce
[22:19] <illusion> nosrednaekim: im trying to install linuxmce through kubuntu live
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> illusion: wait... you are on the LiveCD?
[22:19] <illusion> nosrednaekim: yes
[22:20] <illusion> installed it to a hdd
[22:20] <illusion> then the upgrade to linuxmce
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> well, once you install, did you reboot into the loaded system?
[22:21] <illusion> yes
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> ah ok.... then its not kubuntu live ;)
[22:21] <nosrednaekim> unless you booted the LiveCD again
[22:22] <illusion> ok fair enough :) sorry about that
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> illusion: still, ask in #linuxmce, since it is their installer
[22:23] <illusion> ok
[22:24] <illusion> thnx anyway
[22:25] <spanther> how to start a .run file?
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> spanther: from where?
[22:25] <illusion> linux batch?
[22:25] <spanther> terminal
[22:25] <illusion> needs to be sh extension
[22:25] <spanther> wanna install quake wars demo its a .run file
[22:25] <illusion> nvm
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> spanther: ./filename.run
[22:26] <spanther> nosrednaekim: thank you that was it :D
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> spanther: make sure it is executalbe first: chmod +x file.run
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> spanther: then, in the directory, "./file.run"
[22:26] <spanther> yeah i ever rightclick these first and mark the checkbox "allow run" or similiar :)
[22:26] <spanther> properties -> permissions -> is executable :)
[22:29] <spanther> it said mkdir failed
[22:29] <spanther> well okay..
[22:30] <spanther> nice :D had to put in the whole hehe
[22:31] <Odd-rationale> spanther: do you have to run it as root?
[22:31] <spanther> i dont know
[22:31] <spanther> i just put in the whole dir  /home/sven/Spiele/QuakeWars then it worked :)
[22:32] <spanther> noes i cant find the command to run it lol
[22:39] <Ruairidh> Hehe bass and linux make an awesome combination
[22:44]  * Ruairidh sighs
[22:44] <elliott> hi, can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs
[22:45] <_ZeuZ_> elliott: wrong arch
[22:45] <_ZeuZ_> download i386
[22:46] <elliott> the live cd boots though, that's what i'm using right now
[22:46] <Ruairidh> :s
[22:46] <elliott> i've done that before and not even the live cd worked
[22:49] <nonewmsgs> i have the serious grub issues
[22:49] <elliott> is there a way to see what version it is?
[22:55] <elliott> _ZeuZ_: Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:56] <elliott> what would that say if it was 64 vs. 86?
[22:56] <Devourer> Can I use the shebang to open up something like konsole when I click on the text file?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> Devourer: shebang.... whats that?
[22:58] <Devourer> The #! thingy at the beginning of a script.
[22:58] <Devourer> Like, #!/usr/bin/perl
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> Devourer: ah... no, but you can with "open with.." konsole and save as default and if it has #!perl as the bash header everything will work
[23:03] <elliott> Can anyone help me determine whether i'm running x86 or x64 version right now? apparently that's the cause of my problems but i don't want to re-download, re-burn, and re-install only to find out that wasn't it
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> uname -a
[23:04] <elliott> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:05] <michael> so.. i am having problems with adept
[23:05] <elliott> if only i knew how to read the output
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> thats not X86_64
[23:06] <elliott> ok
[23:06] <elliott> so,
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> thats x86 (686)
[23:06] <elliott> can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs
[23:07] <elliott> and I downloaded the correct architecture so that's not the problem
[23:07] <michael> where is it installed?
[23:08] <haider> whats this ?
[23:08] <elliott> not sure what you mean
[23:08] <haider> where the hell i am
[23:08] <haider> ?
[23:08] <michael> which drive did you put it on
[23:09] <michael> hardy, that is
[23:09] <haider> cool linux chat
[23:09] <haider> very cool
[23:09] <michael> yes it is.
[23:09] <Iced_Eagle> haider: Did you get lost or something? lol
[23:10] <haider> no dear
[23:10] <Iced_Eagle> not sure how you don't realize where you are
[23:10] <michael> i know...
[23:10] <michael> lolz
[23:10] <haider> i was looking for voice chat over linux
[23:10] <haider> i installed everything
[23:10] <haider> lolz
[23:10] <michael> okay... maybee you can help me with adept
[23:10] <elliott> michael: I put it on the only HD in the system, in lpartition sda5 or something
[23:11] <haider> ok guys
[23:11] <michael> elliott: and its the only bootable hard disk?
[23:11] <haider> anyone needs help i can help him
[23:11] <elliott> yeah
[23:11] <michael> interesting.. is it bringing up the GRUB?
[23:12] <elliott> not that i can tell
[23:12] <haider> any programmer here ?
[23:12] <elliott> it's just a blinking cursor, and it doesn't even get that far when the cd isn't in
[23:12] <haider> i want a serious person
[23:12] <cab86> anyone who can tell me how to fix a permission issue with my ati drivers?
[23:13] <haider> use chown
[23:13] <michael> okay, try reconfiguring the boot order with your HD 1st and the disk drives second
[23:13] <haider> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:13] <elliott> how do I do that?
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> haider: what do you need a programmer for?
[23:14] <michael> your going to have to restart, and then enter setup, and then you will have to find your boot order, and move the hard disk to the top
[23:14] <haider> developing something new
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> haider: which would be....
[23:16] <haider> developing an online applications or Mobile applications
[23:16] <michael> okay, now to my problem.. hopefully.. i get this error when starting adapt "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[23:16] <elliott> michael: the boot order isn't a problem, i was running gutsy fine 2 hours ago
[23:16] <michael> did you re-partition?
[23:16] <elliott> michael:  did you actually run apt-setup?
[23:16] <elliott> yes
[23:16] <michael> no, it wouldnt let me run it
[23:17] <elliott> why not?
[23:17] <haider> so i want a team
[23:18] <cab86> anyone here who can figure out permission problems?
[23:19] <haider> cab86 use sudo while installing
[23:19] <haider> or sudo su
[23:19] <cab86> ok
[23:19] <haider> log in as root
[23:19] <cab86> that's not the problem
[23:19] <cab86> the problem is that i don't have DRI in user mode, only in root mode
[23:20] <cab86> i'm guessing there is some permission problem screwing it up...
[23:20] <haider> which linux version u use ?
[23:20] <cab86> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied)
[23:20] <michael> idk. it just wont run
[23:21] <cab86> i'm using ubuntu, but the other channel seems very busy and not helpful atm...   besides, it is an issue that could happen here too
[23:23] <michael> okay, im having problems running apt-setup
[23:25] <michael> can anyone help?
[23:25] <haider> what kind of problems ?
[23:25] <rickey> hello my adept manager is hunng up with a sigabrt sinnnngel . what is the sudo command to free it up
[23:25] <elliott> what happens when you run it?
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> !aptissues
[23:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptissues - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> !apt-issues
[23:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-issues - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i forgot
[23:26] <haider> bye
[23:27] <rickey> it say there is anoth aspect of adept mmmmanager useing it
[23:27] <stdin> !aptfix
[23:27] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:27] <rickey> killx wont seem to close it
[23:28] <rickey> ok thanks
[23:31] <Grenyaris> I have a question about wireless that may or may not be easy to answer...
[23:31] <Grenyaris> My wireless router is set to use WEP and a key, the key is in the interfaces file...
[23:31] <Grenyaris> Everything works when I have the TXKey in the router set to #1, but I have it set to #3...
[23:31] <Grenyaris> Is there a way to set the TXKey value in the interfaces file?
[23:34] <desktop> hi can somebody help me with my surround sound in kubuntu?
[23:36] <rickey> somme other program is useing my adept manager, and it wont close
[23:37] <rickey> i cant get into adept the rigth way so i cant upgrade
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> did you try ubotu's suggestion?
[23:37] <rickey>  anyone know how to force close it
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> !aptfix | rickey
[23:37] <ubotu> rickey: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:38] <Odd-rationale> rickey: are you on gutsy?
[23:40] <rickey> yes odd
[23:40] <Newbuntu_user> can some1 help me with getting my surround sound to work?
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> rickey: fresh install?
[23:41] <rickey> yes
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> rickey: ok. after closing adept and running that command from ubotu try upgrading from the command line. Open Konsole and do "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[23:44] <NickPresta> What is the difference between the RC releases and final?
[23:45] <Odd-rationale> NickPresta: ideally, nothing...
[23:46] <NickPresta> Odd-rationale, I want to beat the initial surge of people upgrading on release day so if there is nothing substantially different, it would be ideal to upgrade tonight.
[23:47] <rickey> thanks odd thhat got it
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> NickPresta: if you are using the rc (or beta), the final version will come as an update...
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> NickPresta: so in other words, you will have a final version if you just continue updating
[23:47] <cab86> heh, today i had an 82 package update
[23:47] <NickPresta> Odd-rationale, ah okay. Thanks.
[23:48] <wesley> when is kubuntu going release packes of kde4.1 beta,s
[23:50] <Hydrogen> sometime after 4.1 beta's are released
[23:50] <Hydrogen> I would assume
[23:50] <Newbuntu_user> Are my messages getting through?  Can somebody help me with getting surround sound?
[23:54] <Newbuntu_user> hello?
[23:54] <cab86> unfortunately there are alot of ppl idle...
[23:55] <jaaroo> hello there. Does anyone have some experiences with Test::Class combined with Class::Std? I'm experiencing difficulties. If I write very simple test suite (without actual class functionality) Test::Class works as is expected, but whenever I add use Class::Std statement to the code, i get following error when I try to run tests: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/perl5/Test/Class.pm line 58.
[23:57] <jaaroo> oh, sorry, bad channel