[00:01] <dovlaz> anyone?
[00:02] <Gnine> xserver fix option from recovery mode was nicely done.. but that does not give me restricted driver bliss
[00:03] <tomaz> is just me, or almost everybody is unable to boot because of some mismath on the /sbin/init?
[00:04]  * Gnine dont have that issue on any machine.. up-to-date 8.04 
[00:05] <Pici> My install is fine too
[00:07] <LARefugee> My system is fine except for a hissing/popping noise from my speakers every 5 seconds. Audio playback is only half working.
[00:08]  * Gnine has pulseaudio enabled for all audio.. no issues
[00:10] <protocol1> get some new ones....cheap
[00:13] <HorizonX1> hey, is it possible that an update slowed my internet connection way down?
[00:13] <HorizonX1> I'm more inclined to believe it's my crappy campus network, but I'm just covering all my bases here ;)
[00:16] <philip_> nah ppl are busy using the connection to upgrade
[00:16] <Lunks> Wired network works only with "sudo ifup eth0" on a terminal window. For Wireless, it seems it has disappeared from network manager. =\
[00:16] <Lunks> I can't do anything about my wireless through network manager. It's simply not listed there. =\
[00:23] <LARefugee> protocol1: It's not the speakers. The system doesn't do this until the kernel is loaded.
[00:24] <tomaz> anyone can try to help with the cant find /sbin/init problem?
[00:24] <Gnine> i got all these "non-free (...) modules on x86/x86_64" installed, machine is 32bit, and the only one for 386 is not installed... funny
[00:26] <Auctionedllama> Guys, I really need some help
[00:28] <Auctionedllama> my GRUB is now officially.. FUBAR, and I am trying to edit the menu.lst and fstab to get it functional.. I have the right UUID, but I am not sure where to put it.. Can I just pastbin both of the files and you guys tell me where to edit? Thanks
[00:28] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: I may be able to help, I'm no expert but I have some experience
[00:28] <Auctionedllama> balleyn1, alright sweet, uhm
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> lemme post em
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> http://pastebin.com/m2fa418a9
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> http://pastebin.com/m49d0cb75
[00:29] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: also, have you tried SuperGrub? that's a great tool for automatically repairing grub menus
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> WOa
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> no
[00:29] <Auctionedllama> Is it in the add/remove?
[00:30] <Auctionedllama> balleyn1, there are a lot of grub editors here.. no super grub tho
[00:31] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: don't think it's there, it's a live CD of sorts, trying to find the website now...
[00:31] <Auctionedllama> Mmh, I am trying this grub manager
[00:31] <NecWeston> I'm trying 8.04 - problems with KVM and the virtual manager......I followed the ubuntu wiki for setting this combo up on 8.04, does anybody know much about this program so I can explain my problem more?
[00:31] <Auctionedllama> did you look at those pastebins?
[00:32] <Alex_Gaynor> nemo: I'm back, did I miss any brilliant solutions :D
[00:32] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: http://freshmeat.net/projects/supergrub/
[00:34] <Chapai> 	
[00:35] <NecWeston> Anybody know about KVM and virtual manager......
[00:35] <Chapai> nope, sorry
[00:35] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: looking at your menu.lst, not sure what the loop option is, I don't have that in mine. Your 'root' lines seem incorrect though, I think it just just be (hd#, #) (where # is a digit, usually (hd0,1) like you have). Don't know why you have "/ubuntu/disks" beside that
[00:36] <Auctionedllama> I didn't change any of that
[00:36] <Auctionedllama> ok wait, what do I change now?
[00:36] <Auctionedllama> ok uhm.. I edited it.. give me a sec k? brb
[00:37] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: sure
[00:37] <xtknight> hmm apparently kvm doesn't play nice with vmware.  Bug 220419.  anyone else experienced this?
[00:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220419 in kvm "Bad interactions with kvm and vmware (CPU left in VMX root mode?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220419
[00:37] <mophead> where's the workaround for the suspend/hibernate bug?
[00:37] <Fritzel> how can I install the 32 bit version of firefox on a 64 bit install?
[00:38] <NecWeston> xtknight: I had my problem using KVM as literally the first thing I tested on my install..........I have since installed and tested other virtual machine solutions, including vmware, successfully, KVM still exhibits weird behavior
[00:38] <xtknight> NecWeston, yeah..
[00:38] <xtknight> NecWeston, i think kvm has a lot of bugs
[00:38] <balleyn1> I'm having some sound issues. When I press play in Amarok or Rhythmbox or even some flash music players, /sometimes/ it will refuse to start, just hang at 0:00 (at which point my sound doesn't seem to work at all), other times it'll work fine... anyone have any ideas?
[00:39] <xtknight> NecWeston, i mean this could cause serious data loss
[00:39] <JohnRobert> balleyn1: it seems you need to set the audio output to use pulseaudio (if you can)
[00:39] <JohnRobert> otherwise yes, it's a right PITA.
[00:40] <JohnRobert> it annoys me that everyone is saying how great pulseaudio is...however it seems to have broken more things that were working in gutsy
[00:40] <xtknight> ya i dont get the point of pulseaudio for most ppl.
[00:40] <xtknight> shoulda been left in the multimedia version
[00:40] <JohnRobert> for example, flash now goes funny in firefox
[00:40] <JohnRobert> should have been left out of the LTS version of ubuntu imo
[00:41] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: Seems to be more of a nuisance than a help at this point, that's for sure... I think I am using pulseaudio though, how can I check? ps -e | grep pulseaudio shows it's running, and I have "Enable Software Sound Mixing" checked...
[00:41] <JohnRobert> personally, I think it's a case of developers getting carried away with themselves rather than leaving things alone that were working..having said that, you need to push things forward
[00:41] <xtknight> yeah
[00:41] <LARefugee> My hissing/popping is gone! Just muted and unmuted Front in the Gnome Alsa Mixers and maybe a few other buttons and it's gone now. This is weird. Complete power off didn't solve this problem.
[00:41] <JohnRobert> balleyn1: you need to configure the application to use the pulseaudio output (if it has that option)
[00:42] <JohnRobert> otherwise sorry, I don't know (if I did, I could perhaps get flash's sound to play nice with the rest of the system)
[00:42] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: I don't think Amarok does, and it was working earlier, not at the moment though... hmm... thanks for the suggestion though, I'll see what I can find
[00:42] <JohnRobert> yeah, it'll be because another app has 'locked up' the soundcard
[00:42] <JohnRobert> which reminds me a lot of the OSS days
[00:43] <JohnRobert> which is why it's so unfortunate it's back!
[00:43] <NecWeston> xtknight: have you successfully installed an operating system on kvm? Because it will boot off an xp iso and install files blazingly quickly - but as soon as it performs the first reboot, there is a disk read error (being generated by the windows boot loader, not kvm) on the screen.   I have also tested with other linux live cds, and they just can't read the harddrive correctly............Tried working qemu hard drive images crea
[00:43] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: that would make sense, any ideas on how to figure out which application has it "locked up"?
[00:44] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: other than trial/error? lol
[00:44] <xtknight> NecWeston, oh ive gotten it to install and run before
[00:44] <JohnRobert> balleyn1: there is a way, but I can't remember
[00:44] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: ok
[00:44] <xtknight> NecWeston, anything other than xp32 though is a huge bag of trouble with the stock kvm.  xp64 crashes, vista32/64 never really work right
[00:44] <JohnRobert> close stuff that might have made noise and close amarok or whatever, then reload amarok and it should work
[00:44] <xtknight> NecWeston, the latest kvm-66 fixes those errors like running 64bit guests.  havent relaly been able to verify that they work properly still, though
[00:45] <xtknight> NecWeston, you are aware kvm offers no speed advantages rigth now
[00:45] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: ok, I'll try
[00:45] <JohnRobert> gstremer apps seem to play nice
[00:45] <JohnRobert> gstreamer
[00:45] <NecWeston> xtknight: I was under the impression it would use my intel VT technology, but in either case, it was faster at installing xp than vmware........about the same speed as virtualbox
[00:45] <mophead> ok, I found the workaround, but I get a "permiossion denied"
[00:45] <xtknight> NecWeston, yeah hardware virt is slower at the moment
[00:46] <xtknight> due to poor implementation
[00:46] <mophead> ~$ sudo echo SUSPEND_MODULES=\"ehci_hcd\" > /etc/pm/config.d/WORKAROUND
[00:46] <mophead> bash: /etc/pm/config.d/WORKAROUND: Permission denied
[00:46] <xtknight> kqemu doesnt necessarily use kvm and it's fast
[00:46] <DanaG> sudo doesn't work for echo
[00:46] <DanaG> you'd have to echo | sudo tee -a
[00:46] <xtknight> sudo sh -c 'echo SUSPEND_MODULES=\"ehci_hcd\" > /etc/pm/config.d/WORKAROUND'
[00:47] <NecWeston> xtknight: I guess I was just thinking if kvm was selected to be partly included with 8.04 it was actually working well haha. I will stick to vmware's slow, but trusty operation I guess -- thanks for your help
[00:48] <mooboo1> plz fix disk mounting before hardy ships in 2 days, because it mount in /media/mydisk_ then mydisk__ then mydisk___
[00:48] <mooboo1> :(
[00:50] <kahrytan> I know a bug in ccsm
[00:50] <kahrytan> Vertical Virtual Size doesnt work
[00:50] <mophead> xtknight: sweet, thanks!!
[00:51] <jrnircIE> *has anyone experience problems with autofs getting a mount map from YP in Hardy x64??*
[00:51] <UnNaturalHigh> lets say I pressed N on the update of a config file, is there a way to install the new one after the fact?
[00:51] <JohnRobert> hmm
[00:51] <JohnRobert> flash is alright if everything else uses pulseaudio
[00:53] <DanaG> nspluginwrapper seems like the best solution to me.
[00:53] <DanaG> bug 192888
[00:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[00:54] <LARefugee> JohnRobert: everything sound is working ok for me now. I've got all gnome sound set to pulse audio. My flash wouldn't work at all. Now it's fine. Just by pushing buttons on the mixer.
[00:54] <xtknight> NecWeston, vmware is actually decently fast for me.  bout as fast as VBox
[00:54] <xtknight> mooboo1, yeah i agree the disk mounting in hardy feels like an "afterthought"
[00:56] <JohnRobert> flash is a right PITA, but that's because it's been developed by a bunch of muppets and is closed source
[00:56] <JohnRobert> shame really
[00:56] <JohnRobert> I don't mind proprietary stuff so much if it works..
[00:56] <kahrytan> JohnRobert->  it works better in windows.
[00:56] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: I wish Gnash were more stable, I'd ditch Flash in a second
[00:57] <JohnRobert> yeah me too
[00:57] <JohnRobert> there's another open flash thing libswaf or soemthing
[00:57] <kahrytan> Flash works much better under Windows then it does Linux.
[00:57] <kahrytan> Which Adobe could care less about Linux
[00:57] <JohnRobert> yeah, my latest and greatest gripe about linux flash is fullscreen video has been re-broken
[00:57] <DanaG> That's part of why I'll be switching to ATI when summer rolls around.
[00:57] <DanaG> I've had so many issues with nvidia.
[00:58] <DanaG> Even if ATI is just as crappy right now... at least it's open-source crap.
[00:58] <JohnRobert> meh, it's better than ATI atm apparently
[00:58] <JohnRobert> you can use the open source nv driver if you don't need 3d..
[00:58] <LARefugee> My hissing/popping problem seemed to kick in when the nvidia kernel driver loaded.
[00:58] <DanaG> I do, though!
[00:58] <ianliu_88> Someone experiencing constants crashes with Youtube on Firefox beta?
[00:58] <JohnRobert> are ati open sourcing their driver in summer or something?
[00:58] <DanaG> bug 192888
[00:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[00:58] <Gnine> jockey-gtk not displaying restricted driver
[00:59] <DanaG> go to phoronix for news of OSS stuff.
[00:59] <JohnRobert> or is the ati open source driver just going to be much improved by then or something?
[00:59] <DanaG> I must sleep ze' laptop now.
[01:00] <balleyn1> JohnRobert: my understanding is that ATI just announced plans to free up their drivers in the last 6 months or so, the process will take a while for the information to be accessible and the drivers to be written/improved.. not sure what the timeline is though, guess it depends on when things are released and how quickly they're improved
[01:00] <Gnine> meep
[01:03] <jrnircIE> has anyone experience problems with autofs getting a mount map from YP in Hardy x64??
[01:04] <JohnRobert> balleyn1: if that happens, I'll be very impressed
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> JohnRobert: its happening... they have already released over 1000 pages of docs
[01:04] <JohnRobert> It will be a big, big day for linux
[01:04] <JohnRobert> when a major hardware vendor starts supporting linux...it's good stuff :)
[01:05] <JohnRobert> (starts supporting properly)
[01:05] <JohnRobert> as then nvidia will follow suit
[01:05] <JohnRobert> and then hopefully everyone else
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> Via already followed
[01:05] <makiolo> about what speak ?
[01:05] <JohnRobert> then it's seeya windows :)
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> and Intel had it before
[01:05] <JohnRobert> yeah
[01:05] <JohnRobert> but intel, meh
[01:05] <JohnRobert> :p
[01:06] <JohnRobert> once ati/nvidia are on board, games developers might start programming for linux more
[01:06] <JohnRobert> and that's one of the major things keeping people off linux
[01:06] <JohnRobert> (people I know anyway)
[01:09] <npurciful> i am having problems with HAL it seem that it can not be configured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7722/
[01:10] <Auctionedllama> hi
[01:11] <Auctionedllama> balleyn1, it screwed up EVERYTHING
[01:11] <Auctionedllama> balleyn1, now my ubuntu on windows won't start..
[01:11] <Auctionedllama> balleyn1 I can only start up windows
[01:11] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama :S  what do you mean by "it"? what change did you make exactly? or by it do you mean supergrub?
[01:11] <Auctionedllama> uhm
[01:12] <Auctionedllama> well I am trying supa grub now but it is doing nothing
[01:12] <Auctionedllama> but.. I ran some program that just simplifies the editing of the menu.lst
[01:12] <Gnine> !grub
[01:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:12] <Auctionedllama> and.. I changed stuff to what it needed, and now it won't boot
[01:12] <Auctionedllama> nothing will.. except windows
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> all I want to do is to get rid of all the other choices and only have 2 choices, windows and the other partition. but its ridiculous
[01:13] <Auctionedllama> and super grub is junk, BTW
[01:13] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: ah, I see.. =\   1) Check out the links from Gnine, 2) did you back up your menu.lst before editing? 3) Are you running a dual-boot scenario or is Ubuntu virtualized (you said "ubuntu on windows")?
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> Wubi?
[01:14] <Auctionedllama> I have ubuntu on windows (via the wubi) and then I copied it to a new partition cause I wanted it off windows
[01:14] <Auctionedllama> well everything went to hell after that
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> oh.... that doesn't work so well
[01:15] <timUR> hi
[01:15] <balleyn1> Auctionedllama: oooooh.... that would probably explain why I didn't understand a lot of the content in your /etc/fstab and menu.lst... it might be doing something funky to run inside of Windows, don't know the specifics of what Wubi is doing there
[01:16] <wastrel> hi
[01:16] <Gnine> save your [home] and do a proper install of ubuntu is my suggestion
[01:16] <Auctionedllama> ya uh.. wellllllll
[01:16] <Auctionedllama> how do I save my home?
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> and I have loads of settings and stuff
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> I want to keep >_>
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> its just my grub
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> its all screwed up
[01:17] <timUR> plz now tell me what is better mandriva or Ubuntu ?
[01:17] <bazhang> Auctionedllama: maybe try unetbootin next time
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> if my grub gets fixed, everyhthing will work
[01:17] <JohnRobert> what's the menu editor called in hardy? I find it highly buggy/doesn't work - eg, you click on a tick, it doesn't untick and crashes.
[01:17] <bazhang> timUR: ask in #mandriva
[01:17] <Auctionedllama> bazhang, what is unetbootin?
[01:17] <Iced_Eagle> timUR: Neither is "better", but it's opinion. I personally prefer Ubuntu.
[01:17] <timUR> Iced_Eagle:  cuz it got MORE packages ?
[01:18] <balleyn1> timUR: depends what you want to do I'd imagine, but most people in here probably prefer Ubuntu
[01:18] <bazhang> Auctionedllama: its a way to install ubuntu
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> mmhm?
[01:18] <bazhang> timUR: offtopic here thanks
[01:18] <Iced_Eagle> There's many reasons. It's just that Ubuntu seemed to "click" better with me.
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> ok, well I guess I'll clear everything and start over.. *sigh*
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> But my grub will still be really messed up
[01:18] <Auctionedllama> >_>
[01:19] <Haffi_> Hi, I have a strange problem when playing an xvid file with mplayer or totem in hardy. The system hangs and I have to force kill all applications
[01:19] <Haffi_> any suggestions?
[01:20] <LARefugee> Haffi_:  Try vlc?
[01:20] <Haffi_> yes, that would be a start
[01:20] <twb> Other than x0rfbserver, are there any daemons that can export an existing desktop using VNC, or a VNC-like protocol?
[01:20] <LARefugee> Haffi_: mplayer always locks up on me. Totem usually handles everything.
[01:21] <Haffi_> totem freezes, but I can close it after maybe 30 seconds without having to kill everything
[01:21] <Haffi_> I have  added w32 codecs via medibuntu
[01:21] <picard_pwns_kirk> I can't get audio to play in Hardy
[01:22] <LARefugee> Haffi_:  I believe I've experienced similar behavior with Totem. Not for quite a while. Chalked it up to Hardy growing pains.
[01:22] <picard_pwns_kirk> I always get (totem:8085): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_object_unref: assertion `object != NULL' failed
[01:22] <Gnine> restricted drivers are not displayed on jockey-gtk gui
[01:22] <picard_pwns_kirk> Haffi_: are you having troubles with audio too?
[01:23] <Haffi_> nope, no problems with audio here
[01:23] <picard_pwns_kirk> oh
[01:23] <picard_pwns_kirk> anyone have any ideas to why I'm getting this?
[01:23] <LARefugee> picard_pwns_kirk: what's the trouble?
[01:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> I always get "(totem:8085): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_object_unref: assertion `object != NULL' failed" when I play an audio file in totem
[01:24] <fxjr> hi all!
[01:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> amarok goes haywire
[01:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> even though it uses xine
[01:24] <fxjr> I'd like to say thank you very much for whoever fixed the problem with the desktop wall plugin
[01:24] <Haffi_> ﻿LARefugee: VLC also hangs
[01:25] <fxjr> sometime ago, I was talking about a ctrl+pgup/down problem
[01:25] <fxjr> with this plugin which was changing workspaces when I pressed those keys
[01:25] <Haffi_> strange, I've never had problems with video playback on linux before (I've had 3 different linuces on this computer before)
[01:25] <LARefugee> hmmm. Gstreamer setup maybe. you might purge/reinstall gstreamer codecs.
[01:25] <fxjr> and the problem was that those shortcuts were exactly the ones used by gedit to change tabs :)
[01:26] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: using pulseaudio?
[01:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> crimsun: no idea
[01:26] <LARefugee> Haffi_:  ok. Got any other video files to try?
[01:26] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: default hardy install?
[01:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> yeah
[01:26] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: then you are (for GNOME)
[01:26] <picard_pwns_kirk> k
[01:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> reinstall pulseaudio?
[01:27] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: is libxine1-gnome installed?
[01:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> no
[01:27] <picard_pwns_kirk> install it?
[01:27] <crimsun> sec.
[01:28] <macd> I assume everyone is having ff3/flash issues still?
[01:28] <philip_> fresh install feels so snappy versus my previous upgraded system
[01:28] <picard_pwns_kirk> mplayer works
[01:28] <JohnRobert> bah
[01:28] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: nah, you shouldn't need -gnome
[01:28] <JohnRobert> pulseaudio also breaks skype!
[01:28] <strtok> hello, anyone running 8.04 (RC) on a dell optiplex 755 yet? On the installer the screen blinks on and off -- seems to be fixed if i lower the res from 1920x1200 to a lower resolution
[01:28] <JohnRobert> great :/
[01:29] <crimsun> JohnRobert: no, use pasuspender -- skype
[01:29] <macd> strtok, after its installed that wont be an issue
[01:29] <JohnRobert> crimsun: I have skype on all the time
[01:29] <strtok> macd: what causes it?
[01:29] <JohnRobert> so that won't work.
[01:30] <crimsun> JohnRobert: then read bug 192888.
[01:30] <JohnRobert> ah man, this is really annoying
[01:30] <macd> strtok, I really dont know, but after install its fine (my dell d630 had the same problem and they both use intel based video)
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[01:30] <JohnRobert> yeah, I've been reading it
[01:30] <Haffi_> ﻿LARefugee: Doesn't work for divx either
[01:30] <JohnRobert> is there a way to turn off pulseaudio?
[01:30] <crimsun> JohnRobert: then apply that solution.
[01:30] <JohnRobert> or get rid of it all togehter
[01:30] <picard_pwns_kirk> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio?
[01:30] <crimsun> sure, uninstall it.
[01:31] <Haffi_> LARefugee: [00000306] ffmpeg decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?)
[01:31] <macd> crimsun, says fixed for hardy ;P
[01:31] <JohnRobert> will that put my sound back to 'how it was in gutsy'?
[01:31] <JohnRobert> or screw stuff up further?
[01:31] <JohnRobert> :p
[01:31] <crimsun> macd: it's certainly fixed in flashplugin-nonfree
[01:31] <crimsun> JohnRobert: I have no idea how you configured sound in gutsy
[01:31] <sparr_> is there a list anywhere of user-visible changes to expect after an ubuntu upgrade?
[01:31] <JohnRobert> I didn't, it just worked.
[01:31] <macd> crimsun, I dont use pulseaudio and it still crashes
[01:31] <strtok> macd: thanks
[01:31] <crimsun> macd: that's Flash's fault
[01:31] <macd> strtok, np
[01:32] <macd> crimsun, then I guess flashplugin-nonfree isnt fixed then ;)
[01:32] <crimsun> macd: we can't do much beyond removing the bits that we know to be problematic
[01:32] <JohnRobert> I understand it's all flash/skype's fault...it's a shame though
[01:32] <crimsun> macd: sure it is.  The package no longer Depends on libflashsupport
[01:32] <LARefugee> Haffi_:  That rings a bell.. I've dealt with that before.. Can't recall what I did. Sorry.
[01:32] <macd> I was reading adobes penguin blog the other day, they odnt even look like theyve addressed the issue
[01:32] <crimsun> macd: that fixed the issue for the reporter, whose config was due to libflashsupport.
[01:32] <Haffi_> ok, thanks for your time though
[01:33] <macd> crimsun, that may be true, but for the rest of us, no pulseaudio still has flash causing havoc everywhere in ff3
[01:33] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: do all pulseaudio clients exhibit that symptom?
[01:33] <picard_pwns_kirk> crimsun: no idea
[01:33] <macd> crimsun, Im not blaming the buntu-devs, but adobe
[01:33] <picard_pwns_kirk> google says there hasn't been a bug filed
[01:33] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: then please try some, i.e., paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[01:34] <crimsun> macd: right, but we can't do anything about that.
[01:34] <jlobo115> hi, i have a quick question about wubi and rc1 8.04, i have a laptop that currently has its bios locked and do not have the password for it, if i am to install ubuntu with wubi, would it install and bypass the bios allowing me to select which os or will i become completely locked out?
[01:34] <Haffi_> ﻿LARefugee: Just one thought, might this be related to nvidia drivers?
[01:34] <macd> crimsun, right.
[01:35] <picard_pwns_kirk> crimsun: Stream errror: Invalid argument
[01:35] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: try it also with gst-launch-0.10 using playbin.
[01:35] <crimsun> picard_pwns_kirk: is pulseaudio even running?
[01:35] <crimsun> (pgrep -x pulseaudio)
[01:35] <LARefugee> Haffi_: I have nvidia. Sorry just can't recall. Try feeding the error messages into google. Append "hardy ubuntu"
[01:35] <picard_pwns_kirk> oh, nvm
[01:35] <picard_pwns_kirk> there's a bug
[01:36] <RAOF> jlobo115: wubi uses the existing Windows bootloader.  If you can boot Windows you should be able to boot Wubi.
[01:37] <Gnine> !wubi
[01:37] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[01:37] <jlobo115> alright thanks for shedding some light on that
[01:37] <picard_pwns_kirk> crimsun: I found a workaround
[01:37] <twb> Does hardy include any NX servers?
[01:37] <picard_pwns_kirk> crimsun: thanks
[01:37] <twb> I can only see qtnx and nxproxy in apt.
[01:39] <Haffi_> ﻿LARefugee: Just FYI, when I run mplayer -vo x11 it works, so I'm guessing it's related to the nvidia driver
[01:40] <jason|ca> how can i turn off the compiz stuff in hardy completely - -it seems to be crashing X repeatedly
[01:40] <twb> jason|ca: uninstall it?
[01:41] <RAOF> jason|ca: System->Preference->Appearence->Visual Effects->No Effects.
[01:41] <jason|ca> ok
[01:42] <dvs> does anyone know how to get global menus in hardy?
[01:42] <RAOF> dvs: As in the big gtk patch/flamefest?
[01:42] <crdlb> dvs: in gnome, that's only possible with crazy patches
[01:42] <crdlb> and it will only work with true gtk apps
[01:42] <dvs> um...
[01:42] <RAOF> crdlb: Guten morgen.
[01:43] <crdlb> evening, RAOF :)
[01:43] <dvs> i had it in gutsy and it just displays the name in hardy,  i suspect it is because it is a new version of gnome
[01:43] <Gnine> worgen gluten
[01:44] <iMatter> Still having problems with internet...
[01:44] <iMatter> ALL GUI's fail...
[01:44] <iMatter> and dhclieint commands dont work
[01:44] <iMatter> just have permission denied...
[01:45] <dvs> i don't remember doing any crazy patches in gutsy, i think it was just a panel applet.  and i would reinstall it to see if that works but i have no idea how to do that
[01:45] <crdlb> it's a crazy patch to gtk+
[01:45] <RAOF> dvs: Maybe we're thinking of different things.  Could you describe what you want?
[01:45] <Gnine> look it up in synaptic
[01:45] <crdlb> and a third-party applet for gnome-panel
[01:45] <NewToThis> Hi, Is there a photo organizing/editing application that is similar to Picassa - that someone could suggest using?
[01:46] <RAOF> NewToThis: I think you might find F-Spot (which is enabled by default) useful?
[01:46] <crdlb> it looks like you need to re-patch gtk
[01:46] <dvs> RAOF: mac style menus
[01:46] <RAOF> dvs: Right.  Huge, crazy gtk patch.
[01:46] <twb> You guys are useless as ever; the answer to my first question was "see vino and/or krfb-kde4".
[01:47] <crdlb> vino is a vnc server ...
[01:47] <iMatter> could someone please help...
[01:47] <crdlb> ah 20 minutes ago
[01:48] <Gnine> twb: join ##quiz
[01:48] <twb> Gnine: why?
[01:48] <NewToThis> RAOF: Thanks much - will try that - Also have "Phatch - batch processor & renamer installed - that looks like it might be good for renaming etc.
[01:49] <dvs> NewToThis: you can install picasa in linux
[01:49] <twb> Gnine: I went and found answers to my question because nobody answered; I didn't know the answers in advance.
[01:49] <jason|ca> RAOF: i did that its now got me trapped at 640x480
[01:49] <jason|ca> now what?
[01:49] <NewToThis> dvs: If I search in synaptics I'll find that?
[01:49] <iMatter> i really need my wireless up...
[01:50] <Gnine> if its not found in synaptic you probably dont want to use it
[01:50] <RAOF> jason|ca: You're the person I suggested System->Preferences->Appearance->Visual effects, right?  There's absolutely no way that doing that broke your X :)
[01:50] <DanaG>  Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[01:50] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, metacity doesn't release the composite manager hook correctly.
[01:51] <RAOF> jason|ca: So, what _else_ did you change? :)
[01:51] <crdlb> yay for pasting xcompmgr into window managers!
[01:51] <jason|ca> RAOF: the system was frozen when i asked u -- (from a different box) so i hard rebooted it
[01:52] <DanaG> Oh, and sometimes when I switch back to metacity, I get something odd:
[01:52] <jason|ca> then when it came up it was trapped in that mode
[01:52] <DanaG> the screen flashes several different colors and shows glitchy pieces of windows, for a total of about 0.5 to 1 second.
[01:52] <RAOF> crdlb: I note from my feed browser that kwin is slowly implementing compiz :(
[01:52] <DanaG> I won't use KDE4.
[01:52] <jason|ca> RAOF: im now getting ready to re-install the nvidia driver
[01:52] <Gnine> you in gnome, DanaG ?
[01:53] <DanaG> I tried KDE4 early release, and was surprised to see that it made my 17" notebook feel like a 12" notebook.
[01:53] <RAOF> jason|ca: Ok.  By 'reinstall', what method are you going to try?
[01:53] <crimsun> I love KDE4's Konsole.
[01:53] <NewToThis> dvs: I looked in synaptics - Could not find Picasa. Is it hard to install and run in Hardy Heron - or will it even run in Hardy Heron?
[01:54] <Gnine> !picasa
[01:54] <ubotu> Picasa from Google can be downloaded in .deb format from: http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[01:54] <dvs> i had it, but wine beat it with an ugly stick so i uninstalled it
[01:54] <strtok> macd: it still happens even after install
[01:54] <JohnRobert> hehe, removing pulseaudio has fixed everything :)))
[01:54] <strtok> i think it's an issue with the VESA driver doing 1920x1200 on an ATI card
[01:54] <dvs> gnine's got ya
[01:54] <crdlb> RAOF: heh
[01:54] <mooboo1> i would install picasa if it wasnt proprietary
[01:54] <jason|ca> raof i un-enabled it in the device driver window
[01:54] <jason|ca> and im now back to 800x600 after a restart
[01:54] <jason|ca> im gonna try re-enablig it
[01:54] <Jordan_U> My numlock key won't turn off ( and it's a laptop, I am having to use a usb keyboard right now )
[01:54] <jason|ca> and hope
[01:55] <RAOF> jason|ca: That seems like a not-bad-idea :)
[01:55] <RAOF> crimsun: Oh?  What in particular is nice with the kde4 console?  I've tried KDE4, but not for very long.
[01:55] <crdlb> crimsun: I love gnome-terminal too :P
[01:56] <Gnine> jockey-gtk does not display any restricted drivers
[01:56] <crimsun> RAOF: splitting the terminal
[01:56] <crimsun> RAOF: then you can arrange buffers inside the splits
[01:56] <Gnine> kde4 kills my appetite
[01:57] <crimsun> crdlb: I do, too, but I think I'd like Ng's even more.
[01:57] <NewToThis> dvs: Hay - Never mind question - I did a search on google and found the debian install package - and it's installed and ready to go - thanks anyway.
[01:57] <Gnine> dumbell
[01:57] <crdlb> crimsun: just use screen :)
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Is there an easy way to turn off the numlock key in software?
[01:58] <crimsun> crdlb: I do.
[01:58] <RAOF> crimsun: Ah, cool.  Yeah, that's nice.
[01:59] <crimsun> crdlb: i.e., https://edge.launchpad.net/terminator/
[01:59] <DanaG> Can't shift-pgup in Screen.
[02:00] <crimsun> ^a esc up/down
[02:00] <crimsun> or something of that ilk
[02:00] <crimsun> been a while since I bothered with my rearranged keybindings
[02:02] <Gnine> sippo
[02:02] <jason|ca> raof -- soon as i turned the driver back on - -it went back to 640x480
[02:02] <jason|ca> and wont let me chooe others
[02:03] <RAOF> GAH!  Gmail, _stop marking bug reports for my Debian package as spam_.
[02:04] <jason|ca> is it possible to do a dpkg reconfig type thing for x?
[02:04] <jason|ca> see if i can get it to detect the right settings
[02:04] <jason|ca> or edit xorg?
[02:05] <Jordan_U> !xconfig | jason|ca
[02:05] <ubotu> jason|ca: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[02:05] <DanaG> Not valid anymore!
[02:05] <RAOF> jason|ca: You could run "sudo nvidia-xconfig", which should make X use the nivdia driver.
[02:05] <RAOF> jason|ca: A better idea would be to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:05] <Jordan_U> DanaG, It'll still give you a nice bear bones xorg.conf, won't it?
[02:05] <jason|ca> DanaG: the ubotu stuff is not vaid?
[02:06] <DanaG> debconf for Xorg has been gutted.
[02:06] <macd> strtok, what does "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver" return?
[02:06] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Though the "configure only driver and resolution" should go
[02:06] <Gnine> you can boot in recovery mode and do a x server fix
[02:07] <Gnine> the 3 stooges await you
[02:07] <RAOF> macd: UUoC :).  Also, more interesting is the same thing, but with Xorg.0.log
[02:07] <macd> RAOF, sorry I dont know what UUoC is ;)
[02:07] <RAOF> macd: Unnecesary Use of Cat :)
[02:07] <macd> RAOF, ohh, yeah ;)
[02:08] <macd> its not like xorg.conf is that big
[02:09] <Gnine> no restricted drivers shown in jockey-gtk
[02:11] <DanaG> meow.
[02:12] <Gnine> hacksaw
[02:13] <RAOF> Hm.  It seems my system uses ~1GB more memory when I use the nvidia driver instead of nouveau.  Weird.
[02:14] <macd> she sprung a leak!
[02:14] <RAOF> Or rather, reports ~1GB more used memory.  And it's from startup, not over time.
[02:14] <jgoo> Why is it, that the first time I go to enable desktop effects, I get a nice dialog that says I need to install a restricted driver - which of course, is nice but at that point I had a network issue\
[02:14] <jgoo> Now I fixed the network issue, I try and enable it, and it no longer says I need a restricted driver, it just says it cannot do it
[02:14] <RAOF> jgoo: Because your nvidia card doesn't have open-source 3d drivers?
[02:15] <Prez00> downloading RC, going to run it in vmware, any known big issues besides those on the notes of hte release?
[02:15] <instabin> I just updated 7.10 to 8.04 and I have a problem with a program i use all the time. Its called synergy. It lets me move the mouse from one computer and screen to another computer and screen. It bearly works after updating to 8.04
[02:15] <jgoo> what changes in between the first time I try and enable it and the second time?
[02:15] <macd> jgoo, you can also bring that dialog up again, system-->admin--drivers
[02:15] <jgoo> aaah, cool thanks macd
[02:15] <macd> instabin, define barely works
[02:16] <jgoo> RAOF: Not that I am too concerned about the effects (it is 4:15am, just getting into the day), and this is an onboard ATI card, more curious to see what it would (or wouldn't) do!
[02:16] <instabin> macd: it works technicaly but the mouse jumps all over the screen.... Like there is very bad lag
[02:16] <x1250> jgoo: what card?
[02:16] <macd> instabin, hmm, I use it b/t a hardy/gutsy box, without difference from when it was gutsy-gutsy
[02:16] <mintsoup> I can't find a way to set the default monitor brightness for my laptop in 8.04--is there no way to do it in the default setup?
[02:17] <jgoo> onboard ati... Radeon X1200
[02:17] <instabin> mcad: i was using it from vista to 7.10 and it started the issue when i updated to 8.04
[02:17] <philip_> I think I'm gonna stick with hardy heron for at least a year...stable enough, getting tired of wiping and reinstalling/upgrading
[02:17] <fxjr> night all!
[02:17] <Prez00> anyone running 8.04 on TP X61?
[02:17] <jgoo> x1250:  VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]
[02:17] <macd> philip_, tried mounting /home on a sep partition yet?
[02:18] <macd> instabin, hmm, I really cant test that setup
[02:18] <jgoo> hey macd, that did the trick, thanks!
[02:18] <instabin> luckly i still have my kvm back there...
[02:18] <jgoo> ~macd++
[02:18] <x1250> jgoo: I have that card. Good enough for compiz and nexuiz. It works ok, 1300fps in glxgears, tho thats no benchmark...
[02:19] <jgoo> instabin: have you ever used Synergy?
[02:19] <philip_> macd: I have no probs with /home. I have an external drive I keep synced with /home so I don't really need a separate partition for it
[02:19] <instabin> jgoo: Yes i have been using it for a year
[02:20] <philip_> macd: I think my problem is that I tend to do an upgrade 3 months before the official release :) getting tired of things breaking now
[02:21] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Hello
[02:21] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Is there a way to get another trash.mount?
[02:23] <mooboo1> 42 updates, whoa!
[02:23] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> you see, I was having a problem with my trash, so I deleted trash.mount...
[02:24] <macd> philip_, I hear that, I try to run the alpha/betas/rc in a vm before I use it on my workstation
[02:24] <Jordan_U> Cheesasaurus_Rex, It's probably just a regular directory, tried mkdir?
[02:25] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> It's not a directory; it's a file.
[02:25] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> hm
[02:26] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I was having a problem with the trash can; that's why it's gone
[02:26] <jgoo> CompizFusion is running fine! Just tweaking settings (which means... for how long ;-) I am glad to see OOo Database has 5 star popularity
[02:26] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> basically, I dragged the Desktop icon from Places onto the Desktop again
[02:27] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> this created roughly 507 folders called Desktop on my desktop.
[02:27] <Jordan_U> Cheesasaurus_Rex, Seems to be a small text file ( possibly .desktop format or similar ) I can pastebin mine
[02:27] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> If you can, that'll be great
[02:27] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> thank you so much
[02:27] <jgoo> I do have another question, latest jdk6 is sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk ?
[02:28] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Jordan_U, I have to go right now; would you mind sending me the link in a private window?
[02:28] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> thanks
[02:28] <instabin> Im doing a complete removal on synergy and reinstalling... maybe that will fix it.
[02:29] <syke> hi
[02:29] <syke> is someone going to update the wine package to 0.9.60?
[02:30] <Jordan_U> Cheesasaurus_Rex, http://pastebin.ca/992714
[02:30] <instabin> It seems better but it still has pauses in it.....
[02:31] <RAOF> syke: Probably not; we release in ~2 days.
[02:31] <syke> RAOF: just curious since the existing package has this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/114025
[02:31] <instabin> Hey RAOF!!
[02:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114025 in wine "Problem with wine preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:31] <syke> which is very off-putting
[02:32] <crashsystems> I've got a Dell Inspiron 1420 that I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, and now the sound applet says there is no audio hardware. lspci says I have "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)\".  The sound card is SigmaTel STAC9228. I have an identical laptop that I did the same upgrade to, with no audio problems. Anyone know what the issue is?
[02:32] <syke> there is a workaround, but gives a bad impression since it ultimately ends up affecting wine's compatibility/stability in some apps
[02:32] <syke> like office
[02:33] <syke> also, the workaround decreases security that was enabled for a reason
[02:33] <Luckrider> So... I have FREE RAM to the first taker.
[02:33] <instabin> does canon network printing work in 8.04 ?
[02:34] <instabin> for the mx700
[02:34] <Luckrider> there are 3 256mb, and there is 1 512
[02:34] <Luckrider> it is desktop RAM
[02:34] <instabin> Luckrider... what kinda memory?
[02:34] <Luckrider> DDR
[02:35] <Luckrider> I have numbers
[02:35] <RAOF> syke: So, the fix for that bug is unlikely to be "we upload a 0.9.60".  Since there's no time to check if (a) 0.9.60 actually fixes the bug, and more importantly if (b) 0.9.60 doesn't introduce more important, new bugs.
[02:35] <Luckrider> there are from IBM desktops, but I imagine that it fits other comps
[02:35] <GuyFromHell> Someone wanna test something for me? Go to this website: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4986#comment:269 and scroll all the way to the top using the scroll bar
[02:35] <Jordan_U> Luckrider, I'll take it, but I'm not going to fall for a phishing scam ;)
[02:35] <Luckrider> oh
[02:35] <syke> RAOF: 'make check' in wine is usually a good indicator, since they have decent code coverage
[02:35] <Luckrider> I just need to give it some how
[02:35] <Luckrider> No signing up
[02:35] <Luckrider> I jsut don't know how to send
[02:35] <Luckrider> it
[02:35] <Luckrider> lol;
[02:35] <RAOF> syke: But didn't, for example, catch _this_ bug? :)
[02:35] <syke> and they use valgrind to ensure few memory corruption/leak regressions
[02:36] <Jordan_U> Luckrider, Donate it to your local school ( If they know what to do with it )
[02:36] <Luckrider> no
[02:36] <Luckrider> I am going there
[02:36] <Luckrider> they are to stupid
[02:36] <syke> it will only fail on a system with these mmap disabled for the lower 64k
[02:36] <Luckrider> to know how to put it in
[02:36] <RAOF> syke: Since this is a regression of an already fixed bug? :)
[02:37] <axisys> what version ubuntu works better for x4200 ?
[02:38] <syke> LAOF: not to my knowledge, actually
[02:38] <syke> but I don't understand why you would be taking this tone
[02:38] <Who_> Is there anyone to help me with troubleshooting nVidia drivers suspend problems? Yesterday I had a WUBI install but now I have a real one and it is still not working. The system is working, as I can push ctrl+alt+F1, login and shutdown. Is there a way to 'prod' the card?
[02:38] <GuyFromHell> Any brave soul want to test that website out for me? Everytime i scroll up past some point X crashes.... i'm trying to figure out if i should investigate more or just wait 4 days and reinstall...
[02:38] <Who_> I think I am talking about dpms, but I don't know :S
[02:38] <syke> I'm more than happy to make my system more insecure by using an esoteric commandline means
[02:38] <syke> but it might give others a really bad impression
[02:38] <ajmitch> syke: 'this tone' because if there is such a regression found, there's really very little time to fix it or revert to 0.9.59
[02:38] <jgoo> Anyone installed jdk6u10 on 8.04?
[02:38] <Luckrider> what is the websit GuyFromHell
[02:39] <GuyFromHell> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4986#comment:269
[02:39] <Luckrider> ok
[02:39] <m1r> i have problem with old soundcard not workin : Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B , any tips how to fix sound on it ?
[02:39] <syke> ajmitch: revert to 0.9.59? it's 0.9.60 that has fixes for several of the issues, that's what I was originally asking about
[02:39] <Jordan_U> GuyFromHell, No crash here
[02:39] <syke> or at least pulling in those specific git patches
[02:39] <ajmitch> syke: yes, and I said about any regressions that 0.9.60 may have
[02:39] <Luckrider> samer here GuyFromHell
[02:39] <GuyFromHell> Jordan_U, >_> must be a borked plugin or something then, false alarm. thanks =)
[02:39] <RAOF> syke: The bug you pointed to was closed by 0.9.53 or something, and now reopened for 0.9.59.  Basically, testsuite pass doesn't mean that its ready to ship.
[02:40]  * syke sighs
[02:40] <RAOF> syke: Yeah, more likely (although still difficult) is applying those patches.
[02:40] <syke> ok, fine. I'll go through my Canonical support rep.
[02:40] <syke> again.
[02:41] <ajmitch> it's not in main for a reason
[02:41] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> thanks for the help, Jordan_U
[02:41] <Jordan_U> Cheesasaurus_Rex, np
[02:42] <RAOF> syke: The problem actually prevents some apps from working?
[02:42] <syke> as reported in launchpad and the wine bug, yes
[02:43] <Sonja> how do i restore the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us that comes with heron?
[02:44] <m1r> Sonja: try on cd ?
[02:44] <Sonja> or maybe one of you can dcc me it?
[02:49] <hrlr> Sonja: I'm not sure, but wouldn't "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xkeyboard-config" work?
[02:53] <keith_> does ufw keep its own log? or does it just append to system logs?
[02:54] <philip_> how do I get emerald to work? I installed emerald, imported a theme, but nothing
[02:54] <crashsystems> so does anyone know why sound isn't working with SigmaTel STAC9228 after an upgrade from 7.10?
[02:55] <crashsystems> I think the bug I'm having is 186940
[02:56] <crashsystems> #186940
[02:57] <keith_> what does ufw allow when the default is deny?
[02:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I have an interesting problem
[02:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> http://i31.tinypic.com/54fygz.png
[02:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> This is the result of dragging the desktop icon from Places onto the desktop.
[02:57] <Black_Magic> still having the internet issue
[02:58] <Who_> wow. Last time I saw that sortr of thing was on an Acorn Archimedes :P
[02:58] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> It recursively creates a folder called Desktop on the Desktop with a folder called Desktop in it
[02:58] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Placing it in the trash can wasn't hard, but now it won't let me empty my trash can.
[02:59] <Black_Magic> cannot connect to ANY AP
[02:59] <Black_Magic> and dhclient doesnt work
[03:00] <jgoo> o.0 I installed Krita - when I try and run it, 'Failed to execute child process "krita" (No such file or directory)'
[03:00] <jgoo> is that a known issue, or did something b0rk?
[03:01] <sparr_> Cheesasaurus_Rex: if i were you, id open a terminal and unlink the file
[03:01] <jgoo> I don't get any google hits for krita (some for firefox not running)
[03:01] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> unlink the file?
[03:02] <sparr_> or just rm -r it
[03:02] <sparr_> "rm -r ~/Desktop/Desktop"
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> well, it's too late for that
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> It's already in the trash can.
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> that's why I'm having a problem
[03:03] <jgoo> o.0
[03:03] <sparr_> well, figure out where gnome keeps its trashcan
[03:03] <jgoo> ok I removed it and readded it, and it still doesn't launch. hrm. mystery
[03:03] <sparr_> and manually remove it from there
[03:03] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> well, I've been trying to do that
[03:04] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> ~/.Trash doesn't seem to exist in Hardy Heron
[03:04] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> or Gnome 2.22
[03:04] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> whichever one is responsible for this
[03:04] <RAOF> Cheesasaurus_Rex: You'd be after ~/.local/share/
[03:05] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> there it is
[03:05] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> thank you
[03:06] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> the trash icon is still being displayed as if it were full though
[03:06] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> even though it's not
[03:07] <Who_> RAOF: Now that I have a real Ubuntu install and not a WUBI one and suspend doesn't work do you have any more to add? I am using nvidia drivers and when I resume the screen goes weird - looks undriven and it 'drifts' to white in patches. THe copmuter works - I can login and shutdown on Console 1.... Any thoughts?
[03:07] <RAOF> Who_: Complain bitterly to nvidia.
[03:08] <jgoo> RAOF:  Can you humor me and try and install Krita on 8.04?
[03:08] <jgoo> just add/remove krita
[03:08] <RAOF> jgoo: No, sorry.  No internet on the ubuntu laptop
[03:08] <Who_> RAOF: :) - will do
[03:09] <jgoo> ohz. ;_; Well, I'd heartily recommend Krita as a photoshop alternative (it has a few regressions last time I was using it...)
[03:09] <Who_> jgoo: I'll try it
[03:09] <DanaG> Is ther any alternative to "Photoshop Elements"?
[03:09] <DanaG> GIMP doesn't work for the target audience.
[03:09] <jgoo> DanaG: You'll find Krita will do that nicely
[03:09] <Who_> DanaG: What does F-Spot miss?
[03:10] <TychoQuad> anyone having trouble with launching applications after running kismet?
[03:10] <jgoo> Oh, F-Spot is also nice :) (goes and installs it like a gleeful 10 year old in a candy store)
[03:10] <DanaG> Photoshop Elements does things like the clone tool to clone pixel areas.
[03:10] <Who_> jgoo: Not that you have some vested interest in DanaG's problem ;)
[03:10] <Who_> DanaG - is elements much better than, for example, Picasa?
[03:10] <jgoo> Who_: I love conspiracies, but what vested interest would I have ? :p
[03:10] <syke> who_: I also have an nvidia chipset, and suspend works fine
[03:11] <syke> RAOF: "complain bitterly to nvidia" is really unacceptable, btw
[03:11] <syke> this isn't #debian
[03:11] <RAOF> syke: Ok.  Complain to nvidia, with nvidia-bug-report.sh or whatever it is that they ship as their bugtracker.
[03:11] <syke> seriously, your attitude is really offputting
[03:12] <RAOF> Really?
[03:12] <syke> yes, quite.
[03:12] <Who_> skye: RAOF gave me quite a bit of help yesterday - I think it wasn't too harsh
[03:12] <syke> I'm assuming that Canonical (and the community) wants to know about issues so they can determine if they are serious, or to improve usability
[03:12] <Who_> given that we'd already talked a bit, etc
[03:12] <RAOF> syke: What in particular?  We can't fix nvidia bugs - they _have_ to go to nvidia.
[03:13] <RAOF> syke: Well, yes.  Unless they're in the nvidia drivers, which we can't do anything at all about.
[03:13] <syke> how do you know it's not an ACPI or BIOS issue?
[03:13] <Who_> RAOF: hehe - so shall I ask instead why I can't use nv instead because that renders a grainy screen ;)?
[03:13] <jgoo> Who_: update me on if Krita runs for you in 8.04 thanks
[03:14] <RAOF> Who_: Indeed you can :).  Is there a bug report about that?
[03:14] <Who_> jgoo: you've gotta wait for my net connection :P
[03:14] <Who_> RAOF: There certainly can be. It feels _deeply_ like a configuration issue - I have to say
[03:14]  * DanaG has suspend that works... oh... 2/3 of the time.
[03:14] <jgoo> Wait, I uninstalled and installed quite quick... does that mean I was reinstalling from the cached package? (which might have been bj0rked)
[03:15] <DanaG> It's odd.
[03:15] <Who_> RAOF: because at 800x600 it is fine...
[03:15] <rage> TychoQuad: Open a terminal and type in ifconfig
[03:15] <rage> also type in iwconfig to see which ones have wireless interfaces
[03:15] <Who_> jgoo: I dunno - I seem to be getting half of KDE Along with my krita :P
[03:15] <RAOF> Who_: Indeed?  Hm.  That's probably worth a bug report, to bring it to the attention of the X hackers.  It seems moderately strange :)
[03:15] <jgoo> o_0 yikes!
[03:16] <Who_> RAOF: I'll try and take a photo...
[03:16] <jgoo> Does Epiphany run webkit on linux? I am looking to put a webkit browser... erm... safari? what about opera?
[03:16] <RAOF> Who_: An excellent idea.  That, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be extremely useful.
[03:16] <Who_> RAOF: out of interest, does a screenshot looking fine mean _anything_?
[03:17] <RAOF> Who_: Yes, it does.  It suggests that the problem is somewhere in the output code, not the rendering.
[03:17] <RAOF> Who_: This is also extremely good info for a bug report :)
[03:17] <Who_> Right. Off I got to Launchpad land...
[03:17] <RAOF> jgoo: Epiphany in 2.24 will use webkit exclusively.  At the moment it's optional, and we don't build an epiphany-webkit package (although Debian do).
[03:19] <jgoo> RAOF: Yes, I heard that, but in the add/remove it still says gecko (default) and just gecko... what would you recommend to install it? (webkit only really, for web dev testing)
[03:19] <SeveredCross> Webkit is pretty sweet.
[03:20] <RAOF> jgoo: Yeah, that's what I meant.  _We_, as in Ubuntu, don't build the Webkit backend.
[03:21] <Davo_Dinkum> I downloaded kubuntu-kde4-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso but it's ubuntu for some reason :/
[03:21] <RAOF> jgoo: Debian Sid has Epiphany-Webkit packages, or you could (probably) rebuild those source packages against Ubuntu.
[03:21] <Who__> sorry to keep coming and going. Can I take this chance to point out the TalkTalk in the UK aren't really very good
[03:22] <RAOF> Who__: Duly noted :)
[03:22] <Who__> jgoo: Some of the mobile browsers are webkit based. Perhaps they are packaged for Ubuntu?
[03:22] <kliwon> hello
[03:23] <tate> Oy, I need some advice about Ubuntu 8.04; I have a projector that can do 1024 but the new Ubuntu locks me at 800; how can I specify a higher resolution with the new xorg?
[03:23] <kliwon> hello..i have problem on tun interface.i have modproble tun module but when i'm try to config the tun0 interface got err.i'm using xubuntu 8.04.please help me
[03:24] <jgoo> Thanks Who_ and RAOF. I will see for the future that. I can always test on a winsuck machine nearby
[03:25] <jgoo> Is there a 'nice' way to turn off compiz... I used to have a little icon, right click, change back to metacity, and keep all my compiz settings... and then right click again to switch back to compiz (that was with the beryl fork though)
[03:25] <jgoo> I want to run Blender....
[03:26] <RAOF> jgoo: You'd be after fusion-icon, I think.
[03:26]  * jgoo goes hunting
[03:28] <jgoo> ok. I have to complain. That was ridiculously easy to install and use. It mocks the last 20 years of painful computer use we have all suffered.
[03:28] <icanhas> jgoo: you are correct sir
[03:28] <IdleOne> jgoo: we can make it harder if you like.
[03:29] <jgoo> damn it. And it didn't crash when I changed window manager. How can they let this kind of software out. It undermines the whole computing industry. Ok, thanks for that RAOF :)
[03:29] <RAOF> tate: Right.  What method are you using to run your projector?
[03:30] <tate> An adapter from DVI to VGA
[03:30] <RAOF> Right.  And software-wise?  How are you telling Ubuntu to enable the projector?
[03:30] <tate> IT's the only thing I can do, the irritating thing is if I plug it into a monitor on startx, then swap out the plug it works.
[03:30] <tate> It's just like a monitor.
[03:30] <tate> I just had 7.10 plugged into it not a day ago.
[03:31] <tate> It worked fine.
[03:31] <RAOF> Right.  So, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution doesn't allow you to change the resolution of the projector?
[03:32] <tate> It does, but it won't go above 800 by 600
[03:33] <tate> The previous installation allowed for 1024
[03:33] <RAOF> Ok.  So, this suggests that maybe the projector isn't returning DDC data correctly.
[03:33] <RAOF> !xrandr
[03:33] <ubotu> XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X.  Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
[03:33] <mc-george> hi guys, everytime I play a song, it skips every 5 seconds
[03:33] <tate> I'm not dual screening.
[03:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, some projectors at my school have Pin 9 REMOVED.
[03:34] <Who__> RAOF: also cursor renders fine...
[03:34] <RAOF> tate: The principle is the same.
[03:34] <RAOF> tate: Section II.6 might help you.
[03:34] <mc-george> hi guys, everytime I play a song, it skips every 5 seconds
[03:35] <Black_Magic> could someone seriously help me No internet = No Server
[03:35] <Black_Magic> and no browsing and for gods sake NO IRC!!!
[03:35] <mc-george> anyone?
[03:35] <icanhas> Black_Magic: what's up now mate?
[03:36] <tate> I don't seem to have xandr installed?
[03:36] <RAOF> tate: That seems unlikely, but let me check :)
[03:37] <Black_Magic> icanhas:  Cannot get internet
[03:37] <RAOF> (IE: let me check where the xrandr binary comes from, and why you might not have it installed)
[03:37] <Who__> RAOF: Which package should I report against?
[03:37] <icanhas> Black_Magic: wifi or wired?
[03:38] <Black_Magic> wifi
[03:38] <icanhas> Black_Magic: what does iwconfig show?
[03:38] <Black_Magic> cannot connect to Any accesspoint
[03:38] <RAOF> Who__: xserver-xorg-video-nv, probably.
[03:38] <jgoo> wtf. flash video is working on youtube. That can't be right... I didn't do anything.
[03:38] <Black_Magic> basically not configured
[03:38] <RAOF> Who__: THat's the source package for the nv driver, I think.
[03:38] <Black_Magic> not assosiated
[03:38] <icanhas> Black_Magic: i mean, does it show wifi0 or ath0 or anyhting like that?
[03:38] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[03:39] <RAOF> tate: Hm.  Are you spelling it 'xrandr'?
[03:39] <Black_Magic> yea it shows lo eth0 wifi0 and ath0
[03:39] <icanhas> Black_Magic: does network manager run correctly?
[03:39] <RAOF> tate: Because it's in the x11-xserver-utils package, which is a dependency of xorg which is a dependency of *buntu-desktop.
[03:39] <tate> I got it
[03:40] <mysticdarkhack> have yall notice after the latest update, the update-manager disappear from System, Administration menu?
[03:40] <tate> I can't seem to find what "output" to give it
[03:40] <Who__> jgoo: If you're still around: Krita is happy here
[03:40] <RAOF> tate: Just running 'xrandr' will list a whole bunch of stuff.
[03:40] <tate> the example uses s-video, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to point to the main screen.
[03:40] <Black_Magic> icanhas: it shows one green ball
[03:40] <mysticdarkhack> actually dist-upgrade I ment
[03:40] <Black_Magic> then it keeps trying then eventually asks me for the router thing again
[03:40] <kliwon> hello..i have problem on tun interface.i have modproble tun module but when i'm try to config the tun0 interface got err.i'm using xubuntu 8.04.please help me
[03:40] <RAOF> tate: In particular, it'll list all your possible outputs, and the valid modes for any that are currently connected.
[03:41] <DShepherd> hi. how is the upgrade from gutsy to hardy?
[03:41] <icanhas> Black_Magic: does the  Atheros wifi driver show up in Hardware Drivers? (system->admin->hw drivers)
[03:41] <DG19075> Update Manager is still in my System>Administration menu....
[03:41] <syke> dshepherd
[03:41] <DShepherd> syke, si?
[03:41] <mysticdarkhack> strange??
[03:42] <Black_Magic> Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL) and support for Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards
[03:42] <mysticdarkhack> any idea how to recover it?
[03:42] <Black_Magic> plus video one
[03:42] <Black_Magic> im betteing the support one is from me compiling from source.
[03:42] <icanhas> Black_Magic: Do you have the AR5007 (AR242x)?
[03:43] <Black_Magic> no AR5006EG
[03:43] <mazeman> can I use a 7.10 live CD to fix GRUB on an 8.04 install?
[03:43] <Black_Magic> wait..
[03:43]  * Black_Magic falls backwars
[03:43] <icanhas> Black_Magic: What I would try, is to disable that Hardware Driver, and then recompile the newest version of madwifi
[03:43] <icanhas> oh did you figure it out? lol
[03:43] <Black_Magic> it says that exact thing but windows/slackware say AR5006EG b/g
[03:44] <Black_Magic> icanhas:  ive already tried that
[03:44] <icanhas> Black_Magic: wait, say that again?
[03:44] <Black_Magic> it makes wifi0 and ath0 go bye bye
[03:44] <Black_Magic> Windows and Slackware show my wireless card as Atheros AR5006EG B/G
[03:44] <Black_Magic> but when i do lspci it shows it as AR242x
[03:44] <icanhas> Black_Magic: what does lspci -v say?
[03:45] <Black_Magic> a/b/g
[03:45] <icanhas> Black_Magic: lspci -vn please to get me the hardware location thingy
[03:45] <icanhas> Black_Magic: should be 186c: something
[03:46] <tate> err, xrandr is really not working for me.
[03:46] <Black_Magic> what should be?
[03:46] <icanhas> Black_Magic: ok, find your wifi card in lspci -v, and then do lspci -vn and look in the same spot that your wifi card was
[03:49] <Black_Magic> Dang
[03:49] <Black_Magic> BRB
[03:49] <Black_Magic> compute crash
[03:49] <icanhas> Black_Magic: ?
[03:50] <THEO|WxC> hello, all.
[03:50] <tate> xranr gives me this: xrandr: cannot find mode "1024x768"
[03:50] <icanhas> Black_Magic: well, if you're still here / when you get back, 'lspci | grep 168c:001c' should give you what i'm looking for
[03:51] <THEO|WxC> I'm an experienced ubuntu user, considering upgrading to the RC of 8.04 now instead of waiting until Thursday (I have time now, but won't later)
[03:51] <THEO|WxC> Is the RC pretty much just like what the final will be?
[03:51] <icanhas> THEO|WxC: not the worst idea you've ever had, just a few package changes really if anything, tiny bugs
[03:51] <THEO|WxC> (especially as far as config files and other stuff that won't auto-update when the final comes out through update-manager?)
[03:52] <icanhas> everything with update fine
[03:52] <icanhas> *will
[03:52] <THEO|WxC> ah, good.... i always thought that config files didn't auto-update, so starting from a fresah install was always good.
[03:53] <RAOF> tate: Right.  So you may have to do the II.6 bit, which (briefly) mentions the --addmode option.
[03:53] <icanhas> THEO|WxC: er, well generally speaking the installer will _ask_ you whether you want to replace it or not
[03:53] <tate> That's what I was getting at, I don't know what it means when it says "modeline"
[03:53] <RAOF> tate: If --addmode doesn't work, you may need --newmode, which takes a modeline which you'd need to generate before hand.
[03:53] <RAOF> tate: Aaah, ok.
[03:54] <jgoo> RAOF: Midori is a 'fast web browser' built on web kit
[03:54] <jgoo> I am sold
[03:55] <jgoo> ok work time :)
[03:55] <RAOF> tate: So, you (apparently) want to run something like 'gtf 1024 768 60', which will give you a modeline for 1024x768x60Hz
[03:55] <DShepherd> ok.. i am going to try and upgrade. wish me luck
[03:56] <icanhas> Black_Magic: alive yet?
[03:56] <Some_Person> What's with the new forum look?
[03:57] <jimmygoon> Why does flash/firefox keep dropping sound?
[03:57] <jimmygoon> !flash
[03:57] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:58] <RAOF> tate: Then you apparently want to copy the whole "Modeline" bit, and run 'xrandr --newmode 1024x768 $THEMODELINE', obviously replacing the $ bit with the generated modeline.
[03:59] <tate> THanks, I think may have worked, I am about to find out.
[03:59] <jimmygoon> Is anyone else consistently loosing sound w/ flash?
[04:00]  * jimmygoon thinks this has been the buggiest release cycle yet, and to think its LTs
[04:00] <DanaG> bug 192888
[04:00] <DShepherd> jimmygoon, hehe.. i hear that all the time
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[04:00] <DanaG> I'd agree with that.
[04:00] <Some_Person> Will vdrift ever make it into the ubuntu repos?
[04:00] <DanaG> New scheduler also sucks -- causes audio dropouts.
[04:00] <jimmygoon> DanaG, its more than just crashing though... I'm used to that heh
[04:01] <DanaG> Do the "nspluginwrapper" thing and then reinstall libflashsupport, perhaps.
[04:01] <jimmygoon> hm, youtube flat out isn't working for me
[04:01] <DanaG> Why don't they just package the nspluginwrapper?
[04:01] <DanaG> Aah, a freeze of some sort.
[04:01] <jimmygoon> DanaG, I tried to figure that out, found out it was too confusing and gave up
[04:01] <JohnPhys> DanaG:  what do you mean by the new scheduler causing dropouts?
[04:01] <DanaG> I close my laptop lid, and sometimes audio pauses for half a second.
[04:01] <jimmygoon> well, the video loads but there is no audio, even with a full close/reopen of firefox
[04:02] <DanaG> The nspluginwrapper thing is easy.
[04:02] <jimmygoon> I just wish that Adobe would release the damn code and let someone intelligent handle it
[04:02] <DanaG> Purge flashplugin-nonfree, install the wrapper, and then reinstall flash
[04:02] <RAOF> DanaG: You mean using nspluginwrapper on i386?!
[04:02] <jimmygoon> standard repos?
[04:03] <DanaG> Yup.  Fixed the crashing and leaves working audio.
[04:03]  * jimmygoon is so excited
[04:03] <jimmygoon> but I can't find the pkg :(
[04:04] <RAOF> DanaG: I find it incredible that sticking a plugin that's meant to look like a firefox interface between firefox and flash makes things _more_ stable :)
[04:05] <jimmygoon> haha, searching for "nsplugin" results in konqueror plugins and "flashplugin-nonfree"
[04:05] <DanaG> It wraps it.. so if Flash dies, it kills the wrapper, and not Firefox.
[04:05] <jimmygoon> nothing for firefox though
[04:05] <DanaG> It's not packaged in the repos.
[04:05] <DanaG> It's on the bug report there.
[04:05] <DanaG> bug 192888
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[04:05] <tawt> so i just upgraded, and i have two kernals, 2.6.24-16 which does'nt work, and 2.6.22-14 which works.  why does the newer kernal not work on my macine?
[04:05] <tawt> *machine
[04:06] <RAOF> DanaG: Aaaaah.  That makes more sense :)
[04:06] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, so in i386 world when flash dies it takes Firefox with it?  Sux0r.
[04:06] <DanaG> Yup.
[04:07] <DanaG> That's why I think the wrapper is a good idea -- even this close to release.  Otherwise, we get broken audio.
[04:07] <rbanffy> Hi folks. My OpenVZ kernel freezes on boot. I would like to help, but I don't know where to start. Ahtlon mobile notebook and, btw, I would love to have framebuffer support in it. Who am I supposed to tell about it and what can I do to help?
[04:07] <DanaG> As time goes on, I've gotten more and more into wanting open-source stuff.
[04:07] <RAOF> I think the answer is obvious; drop support for i386 :P
[04:08] <DanaG> Seeing the crappiness that is Adobe, and nvidia, and Creative (they're scum)...
[04:08] <jimmygoon> so now I just reinstall flashnonfree?
[04:09] <DanaG> Did you actually purge, and not just remove?
[04:09] <jimmygoon> yes
[04:09] <jimmygoon> much much much much better
[04:10] <DanaG> My impression of Flash:
[04:10] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:10] <jimmygoon> jesus, the whole damn browser feels faster
[04:10] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:10] <DanaG> *segfault*
[04:10] <jimmygoon> it looks like you were trying to *segfault*
[04:10] <jimmygoon> :)
[04:10] <DanaG> ... and with nspluginwrapper... no longer does it take Firefox with it.
[04:11] <DanaG>     printf("This is an unreachable statment, so I'm going to do this:\n");
[04:11] <DanaG>     perror(*((void **)0));
[04:11] <DanaG> yay.
[04:13] <ethana2> firefox 3 is like the having the fastest runner in the world
[04:13] <ethana2> ..blindfolded
[04:13] <ethana2> and sending him down the road
[04:13] <ethana2> so nice, so snappy, so WHAM hit by a car
[04:13] <DanaG> With a really ugly car... in Windows and OS X.
[04:13] <ethana2> so fast, so light, so WHAM tree.
[04:14] <ethana2> ;)
[04:14] <DanaG> OS X theme would be nice if it weren't for the "bulge" to the left of the big circle.
[04:14] <ethana2> by the way, when does FF3 go stable?
[04:14] <DanaG> The big circle itself is... eeh, not too bad -- but that bulge makes it look defective.
[04:14] <ethana2> is 8.04 going out with beta software in it?
[04:14] <TychoQuad> yes
[04:14] <ethana2> oh
[04:14] <ethana2> tell me they're taking it from beta5 to release when it happens, pleas
[04:14] <TychoQuad> firefox 3 goes final next month
[04:14] <danage> anybody know whether firefox 3 will be in hardy release?
[04:14] <TychoQuad> of course
[04:15] <ethana2> ok, good
[04:15] <danage> oh funny
[04:15] <danage> seems you are discussing that very question
[04:16] <ethana2> danage: your braim is funny
[04:16] <TychoQuad> hardy will release with ff3 beta 5 or release candidate 1, and will of course be upgraded to the later release candidates and final when they come out
[04:16] <danage> braim?
[04:16] <jimmygoon> I assume that 8.04.1 will include fx3
[04:16] <ethana2> *sigh* nevermind
[04:16] <ethana2> jimmygoon: yes
[04:17] <ethana2> danage: sorry, lame joke, I'm bored
[04:19] <JohnPhys> TychoQuad:  Where idd you hear that?
[04:19] <TychoQuad> here
[04:22] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know about jigdo here?
[04:23] <TychoQuad> firefox 3 beta 5 is already better in every way to firefox 2 even in beta state. besides, release isn't far away and you need to be fully upgraded to get support anyway
[04:25] <Who_> RAOF: any comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/220469
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220469 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "nv driver gives grainy/blurred output GF FX Go 5200" [Undecided,New]
[04:36] <kahrytan> Hello
[04:37] <gaspipe1> hey
[04:37] <kahrytan> How is NJ fios, gaspipe1 ?
[04:37] <gaspipe1> just wondering will there be an upgrade "button" or do we do a fresh install?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> good morning
[04:38] <kahrytan> There is always an option to upgrade
[04:38] <kahrytan> Hobbsee->  Morning? Its 5:30pm  Monday
[04:39] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i like the internet
[04:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:39] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: the tv isn't as good as NY's RR
[04:39] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: that was the best
[04:39] <DG19075> 11:30 pm here in Philly burbs LOL
[04:40] <rbanffy> Hi folks. My OpenVZ kernel freezes on boot. I would like to help, but I don't know where to start. Ahtlon mobile notebook and, btw, I would love to have framebuffer support in it. Who am I supposed to tell about it and what can I do to help?
[04:40] <kahrytan> Sometimes, I wish I didnt leave at the end of the timezones.
[04:40] <kahrytan> *live
[04:40] <cdm10> Is XMMS in the repos?
[04:40] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: now the upgrade will keep my wine, compu fuss, flash ect....
[04:40] <HorizonXP> hey forums got a makeover?
[04:40] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  flash is in the repos.
[04:41] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: so i would have to re-install it?
[04:41] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  or upgrade it needed
[04:42] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: ok
[04:42] <Quentusrex> anyone know about a compiz or gdm bug that freezes everything except the mouse?
[04:42] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  I didnt upgrade
[04:42] <Quentusrex> I get random crashes that freeze everything except my mouse
[04:42] <gaspipe1> !flash gaspipe1
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash gaspipe1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  WINE version is wine-0.9.59
[04:43] <neon> i am having a stange problem i am trying the latest heron candidate but when i try to use k3b it shutdowns one of my sata dvd burner, i have 2 sata dvd and burner when opening k3b it willl hang for a while then the lite-on dvd will completely dissapear i.e it can't be found k9copy and xdvdshrink work fine prior to opening k3b after i can not see the device any ideas?
[04:43] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  and near one will take a little while.
[04:43] <kahrytan> new*
[04:44] <gaspipe1> i been using ubuntu for a while, had feisty for a while
[04:44] <kahrytan> I started there too
[04:44] <gaspipe1> just upgraded to 7.10
[04:44] <gaspipe1> real nice
[04:44] <kahrytan> I was forced to switch by Microsoft.
[04:44] <gaspipe1> was a plessure to install
[04:44] <gaspipe1> i still dual boot...but i think i'm almost ready to walk away
[04:45] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  did you split /home?
[04:45] <gaspipe1> ahh
[04:45] <gaspipe1> not sure
[04:45] <gaspipe1> what's that do?
[04:45] <neon> i had 7.10 working flawlessly on the same machine btw
[04:46] <kahrytan> keeps  user folder sseparate. and enables clean install w/o erasing  home folder
[04:46] <DanaG> I started on Dapper, then went through Edgy and Feisty.
[04:46] <DanaG> Keep this in mind: if you tweak stuff in /etc, you have to back that up, too.
[04:46] <gaspipe1> i have 3 partitions on 1 HDD
[04:46] <gaspipe1> 2 for ubuntu (swap and ahhh forgot)
[04:46] <kahrytan> DanaG->  like fstab?
[04:46] <gaspipe1> and 1 for xp
[04:47] <kahrytan> gaspipe1-> /
[04:47] <kahrytan> Swap, /, and NTFS partitions
[04:47] <DanaG> I've tweaked xorg.conf, dnsmasq, /etc/network/interfaces, and all sorts of other stuff.
[04:47] <DanaG> And sources.list.
[04:47] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i had to do that b4 installing on 1 of the partitions I remeber that step
[04:47] <m1r> hello
[04:47] <gaspipe1> m1r: hello
[04:48] <gaspipe1> DanaG: i did some sudo get stuff.... so I may have to start all over again :)
[04:48] <gaspipe1> btw i found this cool "theme"
[04:48] <gaspipe1> http://www.compiz-themes.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=72349&file1=72349-1.jpg&file2=72349-2.jpg&file3=72349-3.jpg&name=Nebulae
[04:48] <m1r> does someone know what is name of program that is showing sound volume meter in taskbar ?
[04:48] <gaspipe1> i made it lok something liek that....
[04:48] <gaspipe1> tell you this ubuntu is un real
[04:49] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: btw u'r in hawaii?
[04:49] <kahrytan> gaspipe1-> Yes
[04:49] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i loved it there
[04:49] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: what island
[04:49] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  Come back ya hear.
[04:49] <kahrytan> Pahu
[04:50] <kahrytan> Oahu
[04:50] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i'm die'n to
[04:50] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i went to oahu
[04:50] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: did a tour that really opened my eyes
[04:51] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  Now do the TheBus tour next time
[04:51]  * cwillu starts downloading 1.4gb of packages to upgrade
[04:51] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: it's unreal how beatiful a place can be and it still be the buisness center
[04:51] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i did... with cousin Bruce?
[04:51] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  People come back not for the nature beauty but because of the ALoha Spirit.
[04:52] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i'm a wall st. NY loving guy who loves the fast paced
[04:52] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  i know the type
[04:52] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: but i had an unreal experience that has made me "slow down" and enjoy life for the moment when I was there
[04:52] <kahrytan> gaspipe1-> I an close friends with gal that is from ny
[04:53] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: that i only take on vacation
[04:53] <kahrytan> drives way to fast
[04:53] <gaspipe1> lol
[04:53] <gaspipe1> in kawai i rented a truck
[04:53] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  TheBus is the Public trans here.
[04:53] <gaspipe1> was all over the roads... lost people wheer about to curse me out
[04:54] <gaspipe1> i would give them the hang loose and they would smile
[04:54] <kahrytan> TheBus goes everywhere you need to get to.
[04:54] <neon> i am having a stange problem i am trying the latest heron candidate but when i try to use k3b it shutdowns one of my sata dvd burner, i have 2 sata dvd and burner when opening k3b it willl hang for a while then the lite-on dvd will completely dissapear i.e it can't be found k9copy and xdvdshrink work fine prior to opening k3b after i can not see the device any ideas?
[04:54] <T1m0thy> I still have problems with my Intel 3945 losing internet connection sometimes. Anyone else?
[04:54] <neon> i had 7.10 working flawlessly on the same machine btw
[04:54] <gaspipe1> we mostly walked
[04:55] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  fyi --- its called the Shaka.
[04:56] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: Shaka = the hang loose gesture?
[04:56] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  yeah
[04:56] <kahrytan> not hawaiian word.
[04:56] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: ok cool
[04:56] <gaspipe1> really what is it
[04:57] <gaspipe1> i want to go back :(
[04:58] <gaspipe1> have like 3 jobs rather than 1 career
[04:58] <gaspipe1> surf, scuba
[04:58] <gaspipe1> alright ty people
[04:59] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  So?
[04:59] <gaspipe1> let me go b4 I get told this is #ubuntu+1 not #iwishIlivedInHawaii
[04:59] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: so ?
[05:00] <DanaG> ↑↓←→
[05:00] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  When you are in hawaii, dont get white convertible rental car.
[05:00] <DanaG> ¬_¬
[05:00] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  thats like screaming TOURIST to everyone.
[05:00] <gaspipe1> i know this isn't the right topic...but can someone give me a link on some cool configs for ubuntu? (regarding eye candy)
[05:01] <kahrytan> compiz config?
[05:01] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i didn't
[05:01] <m1r> hello
[05:01] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: that "guy" with the white conv olds was the one that helped me get that hawaii inspiration that i was telling you about b4
[05:01] <WeaZeLb0y> I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04, but firefox, evolution and others are complaining about ssl support...evolution says "failed to initialize NSS"
[05:02] <m1r> i am trying to get volume control on fbpanel , does anyone know name of sound control in gnome panel?
[05:02] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: i did compiz, very very cool...just so many "tweaks"
[05:02] <corny> Is the wireless card support for Broadcom cards any better in Hardy Heron that it was in Gutsy?
[05:02] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  You installed ccsm?
[05:03] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: not sure
[05:03] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: where would it be instlled under?
[05:03] <AdrianStrays> I'm too scared to update to Hardy. It seems way too buggy......
[05:03] <iMatter> Im Back sorry
[05:03] <iMatter> the other OS crashed with flying colors...
[05:03] <iMatter> could someone help me with internet?
[05:04]  * tanner would like to point out "newer != better"
[05:04] <kahrytan> AdrianStrays->  that definition is RC is?
[05:04] <icanhas> iMatter: hey, did you run that command for me?
[05:04] <neon> final release is a couple of days from now right?
[05:04] <jbroome>  /topic
[05:04] <DanaG> Oddest MAC I've ever seen:  30:01:00:00:00:00
[05:04] <icanhas> iMatter: lspci -vn | grep 168c
[05:04] <AdrianStrays> kahrytan, what?
[05:05] <Lynoure> iMatter: Depends on your problem with the Internet
[05:05] <icanhas> DanaG: you're really stuck on that aren't you? :D
[05:05] <gaspipe1> ok night all
[05:05] <kahrytan> gaspipe1->  compiz manager?
[05:05] <gaspipe1> kahrytan: nice talking w/you
[05:06] <DanaG> What's with the wmaster interface?
[05:06] <DanaG> HWaddr 00-13-02-06-AC-9C-D0-E3-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[05:07] <corny> Has the wireless support improved in Ubuntu 8.04? I am having trouble with a gutsy install and I was wondering if hardy heron would help
[05:08] <theone_> my wireless in hardy is working good
[05:08] <theone_> it just works
[05:08] <AdrianStrays> corny, as far as I understand it, wireless is going to be completely addressed until Interpid Ibex
[05:08] <icanhas> iMatter: please? :P
[05:08] <AdrianStrays> I also used a broadcom chip, but have yet to upgrade, so I couldn't say if it has improved
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> Corny, if you're trying to install Gusty, I suggest you plug it in to the lan line, install, then active the restricted drivers
[05:09] <shirish> hi all, I'm trying to do shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo mount -o hardy-alternate-i386.iso /mnt
[05:09] <shirish> and I'm getting this output
[05:09] <shirish> sudo: unable to resolve host Mugglewille
[05:09] <shirish> mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:09] <shirish> what should I do?
[05:09] <AdrianStrays> Corny, most of the time that solves the broadcom wireless problem.
[05:09] <jbroome> shirish: sudo mount -o loop
[05:09] <corny> AdrianStrays: I've tried that, but it's 64-bit and using a broadcom card so the chances of it working easily have never been good
[05:09] <jbroome> then the rest of your line
[05:10] <AdrianStrays> Have you tried NDISwrapper?
[05:10] <corny> AdrianStrays: yes. I'm considering going back to a 32-bit install
[05:10] <AdrianStrays> You probably should, as I understand it, things are a lot more difficult with the 64-bit for some reason.
[05:10] <shirish> jbroome: this gives me this
[05:10] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo mount -o loop hardy-alternate-i386.iso /mnt
[05:10] <shirish> sudo: unable to resolve host Mugglewille
[05:10] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sendmail: RCPT TO:<postmaster@ubuntu> (550 not local host ubuntu, not a gateway)
[05:11] <shirish> I know this is in part something to do with apt-listchanges.
[05:11] <jbroome> wtf
[05:11] <corny> AdrianStrays: thx
[05:11] <martalli_> I wonder...is there a jigdo file that holds what will become the iso image for the final release?  Or could I just get the jigdo for the final release and point it at the rc.iso image and it would sort out the differences?
[05:11] <jbroome> shirish: yeah you've got something else going on if it's trying to send mail when you loopback mount
[05:12] <martalli_> Using jigdo seems like a way to have an image early, so I could join the torrent with a full image
[05:12] <shirish> jbroome: that's apt-listchanges, its a package which gives you the changes in another window when you upgrade/update
[05:12] <AdrianStrays> Corny, I wish I could've offered you a more appetizing solution to your broadcom woes.  *sigh* Thus is the burden of the linux user
[05:13] <Lunks> How to mount a mac partition read/write mode? I'm not able to using mound /dev/sdax /media/Leopard -t hfsplus -o user,rw
[05:13] <DanaG> apt-listchanges does not get changes from the file.
[05:13] <DanaG> the deb.
[05:13] <iMatter_> icanhas: did you get my post?
[05:13] <iMatter_> icanhas: 02:00.0 0200: 168c:001c (rev 01)
[05:14] <icanhas> iMatter_: oh, yeah your card isn't affected by the patch
[05:14] <icanhas> iMatter_: actually, i HAVE your card
[05:15] <setuid> Anyone know the fix for the broken KDE toolbar icons? All of the icons are the same little notebook page.
[05:15] <iMatter_> :/
[05:15] <icanhas> iMatter_: oh wait, i got that backwards
[05:15] <ferric84> I'm wondering why update manager just warned me of 50+ updates, including firefox 3, evolution, and other packages that are already up to date.
[05:15] <iMatter_> icanhas: computer?
[05:15] <icanhas> iMatter_: your card IS affected by that patch. you need to uninstall the drivers in Hardware Drivers and install a patch i will link you to.
[05:16] <iMatter_> oh?
[05:16] <ferric84> it wants me to do a partial update - does this sound right when running the RC?
[05:16] <iMatter_> well its been working so IDK...
[05:16] <icanhas> iMatter_: you mean it's working now?
[05:16] <iMatter_> nope
[05:16] <maxfiles> hi
[05:16] <iMatter_> i mean in the past it worked
[05:16] <iMatter_> via Madwifi
[05:16] <iMatter_> 0.9.4
[05:16] <maxfiles> I am having some issues with getting skype to work in HH 64
[05:16] <iMatter_> and im in another distro using the same exact drivers but OK
[05:16] <icanhas> iMatter_: 0.9.4 168:001c without the patch? i sevely doubt that.
[05:16] <iMatter_> bring duh patch!
[05:16] <iMatter_> im serious
[05:17] <bullgard4> What is the name of the new virtual file system that GNOME uses in Hardy?
[05:17] <iMatter_> acctually it worked off the bat in Ubuntu 7.10 live cd
[05:17] <iMatter_> idk about the hardy one tho
[05:17] <iMatter_> icanhas:  Bring DUH patch :P
[05:17] <crdlb> bullgard4: gvfs
[05:18] <bullgard4> crdlb: Thank you.
[05:18] <icanhas> iMatter_: you should REALLY uninstall the old drivers first, and make sure you have the package build-essential installed
[05:18] <iMatter_> its installed
[05:18] <iMatter_> well maybe i was a simi-lucky one
[05:18] <nemo> Is anyone able to get openoffice XHTML export to work in their Ubuntu?
[05:18] <iMatter_> where it works but its ify
[05:18] <nemo> ubuntu hardy that is
[05:18] <icanhas> iMatter_: wget http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz <-- just tar xvzf, enter directory, and sudo make && sudo make install
[05:19] <Lynoure> nemo: give a step-by-step and I can try
[05:19] <nemo> Lynoure: open oowriter
[05:19] <kids> Hi, Anyone know of a good internet filtering program for teenage kids that will work in Hardy Heron?
[05:19] <maxfiles> is there any way to get the sound to work with skype in HH 64?
[05:19] <nemo> Lynoure: choose export
[05:19] <nemo> Lynoure: select XHTML
[05:19] <nemo> Lynoure: save
[05:19] <nemo> File->Export
[05:19] <iMatter_> icanhas: what is my card..?
[05:19] <iMatter_> i cant trust lspci anymore :P
[05:19] <Lynoure> nemo: I'd suspect it not being being supposed to work on an empty document
[05:20] <nemo> Lynoure: should work fine on empty doc. but fine. type "hello world" in it
[05:20] <iMatter_> ican?
[05:20] <icanhas> iMatter_: you have the card that needs the patch, what's why you lspci -vn'd... when it says you can't trust lspci, it make the default output, -vn is extremely accurate
[05:20] <Lynoure> nemo: (not saying it to annoy you, just trying to help, dude)
[05:20] <icanhas> *it means
[05:20] <icanhas> wow i can't type tonight
[05:20] <maxfiles> this is my error: ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[05:20] <iMatter_> thats good and bad
[05:21] <maxfiles> how do I fix it
[05:21] <iMatter_> it means i have ABG!!
[05:21] <iMatter_> and then theres to patch >.>
[05:21] <icanhas> iMatter_: What?
[05:21] <iMatter_> atleast i dont have to use ndiswrapper thank god
[05:21] <icanhas> yeah lol
[05:21] <iMatter_> AR5007EG is A/B/G
[05:21] <Lynoure> nemo: I get some whine about JRE defect
[05:21] <icanhas> iMatter_: that patch works, trust me. after you install it just sudo modprobe ath_pci ... just WHATEVER YOU DO. DO NOT rmmod THAT PATCH. it eats you.
[05:22] <WeaZeLb0y> has anyone been having trouble with libnss in Hardy?
[05:22] <Lynoure> nemo: seems there was none defined until I opened option-java for the first time. Was that what you got, too?
[05:23] <syke> just got this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/220487
[05:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220487 in kdebase "konq crashes when saving a file from a web site" [Undecided,New]
[05:24] <syke> I've put the staack trace and the valgrind output
[05:24] <nemo> Lynoure: happens to me every single time
[05:24] <syke> but if anyone wants to try and repro and add a note, feel free
[05:24] <nemo> Lynoure: I've tried specifying both gcj and java6 in java options
[05:25] <nemo> Lynoure: also. I wasn't able to answer immediately since launching owriter to a remote system over ssh -Y seems to be causing my X session to freeze up.  which given I didn't have ssh handy forced a reboot
[05:25] <Lynoure> nemo: if you report a bug, I can confirm it it (for java6 at least)
[05:25] <nemo> (I mean another machine to ssh in from)
[05:25] <nemo> Lynoure: thanks but kind of late for me. going to bed.
[05:25] <nemo> was just hoping to get this export done before bed
[05:25] <nemo> clearly not going to happen
[05:25] <Lynoure> nemo: well, msg me if you report it later
[05:25] <nemo> the freezing - really annoying
[05:26] <tawt> i can't open synaptic
[05:27] <nemo>  EXT3-fs: error loading journal.
[05:27] <tawt> it says starting administration at the bottom of the screen, but crashes
[05:27] <nemo> hm. that's not good
[05:27] <Lynoure> nemo: hmm, still trying something
[05:27] <tawt> how can i get synaptic to open?
[05:28] <Lynoure> nemo: works now. I bet you too have all the radio buttons off. It seems to be a usability bug
[05:28] <nemo> ah. buggered external HD. that's sad
[05:28] <nemo> Lynoure: well. I checked off one of the radio buttons and it still failed
[05:28] <nemo> will try again
[05:28] <nemo> once this fsck is done
[05:29] <Lynoure> nemo: ooffice needs a restart after that.
[05:29] <nemo> Lynoure: tried that too :)
[05:29] <nemo> but will retry.
[05:29] <nemo> going to wait until after fsck is completed due to aforementioned lockups
[05:29] <nemo> lockups perhaps due to some automount weirdness on the screwed disc I suppose
[05:29] <Lynoure> nemo: yes, one problem at a time is a good idea
[05:33] <zoidfar1> So I have a problem upgrading, every time I try to do it, it tells me I don't have enough space. I have plenty of space on my /home, but / is on a different partition with too little space, is there a way I can tell it to download the new packages to /home instead?
[05:34] <zoidfar1> or is there something I can safely delete out of the / file system?
[05:35] <zoidfar1> anyone?
[05:35] <compaqr4000> It seems everytime I update, Compiz breaks on everyone of my installations....am I doing something wrong?
[05:35] <m1r> maybe resize partitions zoidfar1
[05:35] <icanhas> compaqr4000: obviously
[05:35] <maxfiles> ok I guess no one is going to answer my issue?
[05:35] <zoidfar1> yeah, maybe, that's a big hassle though...there's no way to download packages elsewhere?
[05:36] <compaqr4000> icanhas, is there a different way to run the update manager to avoid this problem?
[05:36] <RAOF> maxfiles: What's your problem again?
[05:36] <maxfiles> this is my error: ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[05:36] <owen1> what's the name of the calendar app that comes with ubuntu?
[05:36] <RandyAdams> hello all. i got a question re: hardy and a problem with sound on a HP system.
[05:36] <icanhas> compaqr4000: how did you install compiz to begin with? and what verison? and describe 'breaks'
[05:37] <maxfiles> am trying to run skype on HH 64
[05:38] <compaqr4000> icanhas: it was installed differently on all of my machines.  Mostly through a restricted driver and turning on Extra in visual settings
[05:38] <RAOF> maxfiles: Ah, right.  So, the problem is that the pulseaudio sound server is using the soundcard, and your card doesn't support multiple applications accessing it at the same time.
[05:38] <compaqr4000> icanhas: this no longer works
[05:38] <maxfiles> bloody hell
[05:38] <icanhas> compaqr4000: well then it's probably a driver issue, i can help you in #compiz-fusion if you like
[05:38] <maxfiles> ok that was simple
[05:38] <RAOF> maxfiles: There are two options here: kill pulseaudio, so that it's not holding onto the sound card.
[05:38] <maxfiles> thx
[05:39] <tawt> Can someone please help me?  I can't open synaptic or the update manager
[05:39] <compaqr4000> icanhas, sure, thanks
[05:39] <RAOF> maxfiles: Or tell ALSA to use pulseaudio; I'm not sure if this will work.
[05:39] <maxfiles> I was running rhythmbox
[05:39] <maxfiles> I turned it off
[05:39] <maxfiles> it worked
[05:39] <redwhitewaldo> movie files now show just a black window, but sound plays fine. what happened?
[05:39] <RAOF> maxfiles: Yeah, that'll work :)
[05:39] <redwhitewaldo> movies used to play fine
[05:39] <owen1> what's the name of the calendar app that comes with ubuntu?
[05:39] <DanaG> evolution?
[05:39] <maxfiles> but how do I solve that without turning it off?
[05:40] <Fritzel> ok does anyone know how bug 219919 even is possible considering I have tried repeatedly to install google toolbar on firefox 3 and it simply refuses?
[05:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219919 in firefox-3.0 "Google Toolbar on Firefox 3 Beta 5 for Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219919
[05:40] <Lynoure> tawt: try instead  sudo apt-get update   from a command line, then if that works, try starting synaptic off commandline
[05:40] <RAOF> maxfiles: Right.  So, in order to make this work properly we need to make skype use pulseaudio.
[05:40] <maxfiles> how do I do that?
[05:40] <RAOF> maxfiles: For 64bit applications, this would be as simple as 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio', which sets pulseaudio as the default sound device.
[05:40] <tawt> todd@todd-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[05:41] <tawt> sudo: unable to resolve host todd-laptop
[05:41] <owen1> DanaG: i mean the thingy on the upper right corner that shows the time.
[05:41] <maxfiles> ok
[05:41] <RAOF> maxfiles: For skype, I'm not sure if that will work yet, although if you're fully up to date it might.
[05:41] <owen1> DanaG: and when u click on it it open a calendar.
[05:41] <tawt> lynoure:  what does that mean?
[05:42] <maxfiles> well I am using HH and got all my 32 bit dependancies installed
[05:42] <Lynoure> tawt: which part of it? The command? it gets the list of available upgrades (does not upgrade anything)
[05:42] <RAOF> maxfiles: Ok.  A recent ia32-libs update should have included all the libs requried to make 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' work.  Give it a whirl.
[05:43] <owen1> what's the name of the clock app that sits in the top panel in ubuntu 8.04?
[05:43] <tawt> sudo apt-get update
[05:43] <tawt> sudo: unable to resolve host todd-laptop
[05:43] <tawt> lynoure
[05:43] <maxfiles> ok I did that in konsole
[05:43] <NewToThis> Hi, Is there a way to set - If Iit goes to screen saver - You would need to log back in with a password?
[05:43] <NewToThis> it
[05:44] <Lynoure> tawt: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:44] <the_alamo> i just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and everything seems to be okay except my graphics are broken.  I had previously used envy to install my nvidia driver (for good reasons) so before upgrading i removed everything it installed.  how can i get graphics up and running again?
[05:44] <RAOF> NewToThis: Yes.  I believe this is the default behaviour.  Failing that, System->Preferences->Screen Saver->"lock screen when screensaver is active"
[05:45] <RAOF> maxfiles: And does skype now work?  Or failing that, what's the new error message?
[05:45] <NewToThis> RAOF: THanks much - big help - appreciate it
[05:45] <maxfiles> well it still is giving that message I think
[05:45] <tawt> lynoure:  it says it couldn't find /ect/apt
[05:45] <the_alamo> what version of the nvidia driver does the restricted driver manager install?
[05:45] <RAOF> the_alamo: The latest non-beta driver.
[05:46] <nemo> Lynoure: ok. over here whether I select gcj or sun jvm 1.6, if I click on the radio, then click ok, then either exit application or just reopen menu, the java list of JVMs is empty.  after briefly showing empty it flickers to show the two availble ones, with neither one selected.
[05:46] <the_alamo> RAOF, 196.12 or 96.43 (maybe the 196 is beta i don't know0
[05:46] <Lynoure> tawt: etc, not ect
[05:47] <tawt> lynoure:  found it manually
[05:47] <nemo> javaldx failed!
[05:47] <nemo> I also get that error on launch
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <tawt> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <tawt> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <tawt> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <tawt> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe
[05:47] <Lynoure> !pastebin
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[05:47] <tawt> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse
[05:47] <tawt> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[05:47] <tawt> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security multiverse
[05:47] <tawt> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security restricted main multiverse universe
[05:47] <tawt> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-security restricted main multiverse universe
[05:47] <Lynoure> tawt: pastebin, not paste here!
[05:47] <tawt> # deb http://packages.dfreer.org gutsy main
[05:47] <tanner> >.>
[05:47] <RAOF> the_alamo: 169.12, yes.  At least, that's what nvidia-glx-new is, and it should install that.
[05:47] <nemo>  [Java framework]sunjavaplugin.so could not load Java runtime library:
[05:47] <nemo> file:///usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
[05:47] <Lynoure> nemo: oh, I did not get that at any point.
[05:48] <nemo> Lynoure: ^^^ and that's after attempting an export
[05:48] <compaqr4000> icanhas, ok, never mind I suppose.
[05:48] <the_alamo> RAOF, great.  that is what i need.
[05:48] <maxfiles> ok now skype is not working after I did the asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[05:48] <RAOF> the_alamo: Unless your card isn't supported by the 169.12 driver, in which case it'll install 96.whatever.  Unless your card isn't supported by *that*, in which case it'll install 74.whatever.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> tawt: dude, pastebin.
[05:48] <nemo> Lynoure: running oowriter from cli
[05:48] <icanhas> compaqr4000: come back :P he didn't do that on purpose
[05:48] <latitu> when is hardy coming out?
[05:48] <tawt> lynoure:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63973/
[05:49] <latitu> oh 24th april ? confirmed?
[05:49] <the_alamo> what is the best way to (easliy or automatically) reconfigure xorg.conf?
[05:49] <RAOF> the_alamo: Depends on what you mean by 'reconfigure'.
[05:49] <tanner> good question, totally not like its in the channel topic :)
[05:49] <RAOF> the_alamo: The 'Hardware Drivers' program should set everything up properly.
[05:49] <vega--> latitu: read the topic?
[05:50] <latitu> vega-- ya. its confirmed?
[05:50] <the_alamo> RAOF, it doesn't seem to
[05:50] <vega--> confirmed?
[05:50] <latitu> vega-- i didnt saw that on the website
[05:50] <the_alamo> i just ran it and my graphics were broken on restart
[05:50] <Lynoure> tawt: weird sources.list, however the "unable to resolve" thing is not caused by that...
[05:50] <RAOF> the_alamo: Failing that, 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' should set everything up.
[05:50] <tawt> lynoure:  how about i wipe this partiton and go back to gutsy?
[05:51] <tawt> i have very little on here anyways
[05:51] <the_alamo> RAOF, okay great i will give that a try and let you know how it goes.
[05:51] <maxfiles> nope now skype audio is not working
[05:51] <the_alamo> thanks for the help
[05:51] <vega--> latitu: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop ??
[05:51] <latitu> vega-- ok.. thanks :)
[05:51] <Lynoure> tawt: that's a choice you always have if you really don't have hardy and have them on separate partitions. I would not do that myself, but I'm stubborn (though now very tired)
[05:51] <vega--> latitu: it links from the frontpage, not really hard to find
[05:53] <tawt> lynoure:  it would only take a few hours to do, and i need synaptic and the update manager
[05:53] <maxfiles> RAOF: somehow the audio is broke again :/
[05:53] <RAOF> maxfiles: But it doesn't have that error?
[05:53] <RAOF> maxfiles: Sound for everything, or just skype?
[05:53] <tawt> lynoure:  also the games i've downloaded stopped working when i upgraded
[05:54] <Lynoure> tawt: Like I said, totally your choice.
[05:54] <maxfiles> RAOF: sound works for everything but skype
[05:54] <tawt> lynoure:  ok.  i think i'll do it tomorrow
[05:54] <tawt> lynoure:  thanks for your willingness to help
[05:55] <Lynoure> tawt: someone else might still have steam to troubleshoot you through it
[05:55] <tawt> ?
[05:55] <aslaen> hello, I am having problems with my nvidia setup... I am running the latest version of Hardy, and this is a known issue.
[05:55] <aslaen> when using the nvidia driver GDM goes white, and black and freezes
[05:55] <aslaen> Nvidia fixed the problem by releasing an updated driver
[05:55] <Lynoure> tawt: you know, energy and time.
[05:56] <tawt> lynoure:  ohh
[05:56] <aslaen> however since installing that driver whenever I reboot.. I have to modprobe -r nvidia, modprobe nvidia.. and then X starts fine
[05:56] <aslaen> any ideas why it doesn't modprobe correctly the first time?
[05:56] <bullgard4> How can I determine if my Hardy uses initrd?
[05:56] <strtok> hello, has anyone here gotten the ATI drivers for a radeon HD 2400 to work? everytime i try to boot the system if freezes and restarts itself
[05:56] <Lynoure> tawt: does dns work otherwise? do you have an entry for your hostname in /etc/hosts ? Stuff like that might be next
[05:58] <tawt> lynoure:  i have no /etc/hosts folder
[05:58] <RAOF> maxfiles: Right, this is what I was afraid of.  Skype does silly things with ALSA.
[05:58] <RAOF> maxfiles: So, the answer is no*, you can't have music playing at the same time as you skype.
[05:58] <maxfiles> thats turned off
[05:58] <cvd-pr> partial-upgrade, ok or cancel?
[05:58] <tawt> lynoure:  nevermind
[05:59] <Lynoure> tawt: it's a file
[05:59] <tawt> lynoure:  got it
[05:59] <maxfiles> ROAF nothing else is running that requires audio
[05:59] <RAOF> maxfiles: Ah, sorry, yes.  You'll need to run 'asoundconf unset-pulseaudio' to undo the change.
[05:59] <DanaG> Skype is another example of why closed-source is bad.
[06:00] <tawt> lynoure:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63975/
[06:00] <bullgard4> tawt: " i have no /etc/hosts folder": It is a file, not a folder.
[06:00] <tawt> ﻿bullgard:  got it
[06:00] <Hobbsee> do i really have to reboot a server, after a dist upgrade?
[06:01] <Lynoure> tawt: and does /etc/hostname contain one line, with    todd-laptop.UCAWIRELESS
[06:01] <hydrogen> I would... so that if anything goes wrong it goes wrong while its fresh in your mind instead of sometime way down the road
[06:01] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I think the answer is somewhere between yes and no.
[06:02] <tawt> lynoure:  yes
[06:02] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh?
[06:02] <Lynoure> tawt: hmm
[06:02] <maxfiles> ok thx that worked again
[06:02] <RAOF> Hobbsee: 'Yes' gets you a new kernel and associated goodness.  'No' gets you no downtime, and should _probably_ work.
[06:02] <tawt> lynoure:  wait, no just todd-laptop
[06:02] <tawt> lynoure:  should i edit it?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF: so, apart form the kernel, is there any reason to?
[06:03] <RAOF> Hobbsee: None that I can think of offhand that aren't bugs.
[06:03] <Lynoure> tawt: either remove the .UCAWIRELESS from /etc/hosts  (I'd do that)  or add it to /etc/hostname (should also be ok)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> good
[06:03] <RAOF> Hobbsee: s/aren't/wouldn't be/
[06:03] <HorizonXP> hey
[06:03] <HorizonXP> how finalized are changes from the compiz sources to Hardy?
[06:04] <tawt> lynoure:  "Could not save the file /etc/hosts."
[06:04] <HorizonXP> because a change was checked in today that looks like will fix a freezing issue a lot of people are having, including me
[06:04] <Lynoure> tawt: it takes sudo to edit,  e.g. sudo nano /etc/hosts
[06:05] <solexious> Will server8.04 have lts?
[06:05] <RAOF> HorizonXP: Are you thinking of that focus-animation fix?
[06:05] <RAOF> solexious: Yes.
[06:05] <solexious> ty
[06:05] <HorizonXP> RAOF: yes exactly
[06:05] <tawt> lynoure:  "sudo: unable to resolve host todd-laptop"  lol  same problem as always
[06:06] <maco> tawt: did you change your hostname and forget to log out/log in or reboot afterward?
[06:07] <tawt> maco:  no
[06:07] <tawt> maco:  i've had the same hostname since the upgrade
[06:08] <RAOF> HorizonXP: You'd be wanting Amaranth_, but I'd be surprised if the answer isn't 'no', given the very frozen nature of Main.
[06:08] <HorizonXP> ...
[06:08] <HorizonXP> that's not good
[06:08] <Fritzel> what package would I want to install to be able to actually compile something
[06:08] <Lynoure> tawt: that file should take effect immediately...
[06:08] <HorizonXP> it's a pretty bad bug. it usually reqiures a hard shutdown to fix
[06:09] <Amaranth_> Err, I'm pretty sure HorizonXP was commenting on it because we uploaded a fix to ubuntu :P
[06:09] <HorizonXP> Amaranth_: No, that's not why.
[06:09] <tanner> Fritzel: gcc, g++, make, build-essential, etc
[06:09] <HorizonXP> Amaranth_: But you did? I was pointed to the fix by b0le
[06:09] <Fritzel> thank you
[06:09] <maco> Fritzel: build-essential will get all the stuff tanner listed
[06:09] <Hobbsee> so, this is too simple.  what haven't i done for this dist upgrade?
[06:09] <HorizonXP> http://gitweb.compiz-fusion.org/?p=fusion/plugins/animation;a=commit;h=39909681ac7fa029b7bd21bb27feffebb8a463c1
[06:09] <Fritzel> maco perfect thanks ^^
[06:10] <RAOF> Amaranth: No, not the rotate bug thingy.  I'm talking about the commit 20 minutes ago to git.
[06:10] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: Yes, compiz-fusion-plugins-main 0.7.4-0ubuntu4 has the fix
[06:10] <HorizonXP> YAY!!!
[06:10] <JohninLex> hello all
[06:10] <Amaranth> there was no commit 20 minutes ago
[06:10] <JohninLex> I have a small question please
[06:10] <Amaranth> there was a commit to animation like 16 hours ago
[06:10] <Amaranth> mvo, maniac103, and cornelius worked on it together
[06:10] <RAOF> Amaranth: Which CIA has just noticed and posted to #c-f-d?
[06:10] <JohninLex> I just done a update and there was a file that was installed and I have never heard of it.  does anyone know what seahorse is???
[06:10] <RAOF> Ah, right.  Cool.
[06:10] <HorizonXP> OMG, I've been waiting for a fix for a few weeks now. It was so annoying to have my system lock up randomly, usually at the worst times! Thanks Amaranth!
[06:11] <Amaranth> it's an infinite loop in the window walker
[06:11] <Amaranth> caused by bad usage in animation
[06:11] <icanhas> Amaranth: oh, that was what the fix was? heh, very amusing.
[06:11] <Amaranth> so it doesn't really lock up your system, compiz just spins doing nothing
[06:11] <tawt> ok, this must of been a bad upgrade somehow.  i will just wipe this partition and put gutsy in it's place
[06:11] <Amaranth> uh oh, another commit
[06:12] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: yeah, I realized that once I figured out that Alt+SysRq+K still worked, and I used 'top' to see what was happeneing
[06:12] <Amaranth> ah, he fixed our bug a 13 hours ago
[06:12] <DanaG> What bug?
[06:12] <Amaranth> then he made another commit to 'Fix all freezes for good'
[06:12] <Amaranth> DanaG: 903
[06:13] <Amaranth> hmm, wonder if ubotu knows about it
[06:13] <Amaranth> compiz-fusion bug 903
[06:13] <ubotu> Bug 903 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/903 is private
[06:13]  * Hobbsee beats Amaranth
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: fix my compiz!
[06:13] <Amaranth> opencompositing bug 903
[06:13] <ubotu> Bug 903 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/903 is private
[06:13] <Amaranth> grr
[06:13] <HorizonXP> wait
[06:13] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: the bugfix I pointed you is different? Is it better?
[06:14] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: the fix we have in ubuntu most likely fixed your issue
[06:14] <Amaranth> the latest commit to git just makes sure there is no chance it can happen in any situation
[06:14] <HorizonXP> that sounds like something that should make it into Hardy
[06:14] <HorizonXP> IMHO
[06:14] <Amaranth> If you can prove otherwise we'll probably get it in an SRU after release
[06:14] <HorizonXP> ok
[06:14] <Amaranth> seeing how the rest is 2 days from now and that much time is needed for testing the discs
[06:15] <NewToThis> Hi, Is there away for me to change the original root password I used to install and setup Hardy Heron?
[06:15] <HorizonXP> umm.... I'll update compiz now with the recently added bugfix, and see what happens
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: do you have ppa versions of that package?
[06:16] <HorizonXP> if I still get freezes, I'll PM you
[06:16] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: the ubuntu4 one? no, it got accepted in the archive a few hours ago
[06:16] <DanaG> I still think that nspluginwrapper thing is pretty **** important.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i meant the gitweb commit
[06:16] <DanaG> bug 192888
[06:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[06:16] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: No, I didn't even know it existed until a couple minutes ago
[06:17] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Unless your bug is "compiz freezes when switching window focus" it won't help you
[06:17] <DanaG> My Firefox 3.0 is now stable since I've done that.
[06:17] <JohninLex> gn8
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: that's what my last crash was.
[06:17] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Not a crash
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: while i was dist upgrading another machine, no less.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> sorry, s/crash/freeze/
[06:17] <Amaranth> This is an infinite loop
[06:17]  * DanaG gets hard-lockups from e1000 NIC.
[06:17] <cvd-pr_> this is stupid i cant upgade the manager core until do a partial-upgrade
[06:17] <Hobbsee> brain's not here yet
[06:17] <NewToThis> Any idea's about question I posted - very newbie to linux - thanks.
[06:17] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: and you were using ubuntu4 already?
[06:17]  * RAOF gets hard lockups from /frikkin nvidia being rubbish/.
[06:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: actually a lot of them are probably animation's fault :P
[06:18] <DanaG> I've tracked mine down to my NIC.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: of which exactly?
[06:18] <fevel> hey guys
[06:18] <Hobbsee> compiz:
[06:18] <Hobbsee>   Installed: 1:0.7.4-0ubuntu6
[06:18] <Amaranth> unless it actually locks solid or is looping in libGL
[06:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[06:18] <fevel> i just upgraded to hardy
[06:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: and is your bug reproducible?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i do, and i've only seen it happen once yet.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: this was the same thing that was happening ages ago
[06:19] <Amaranth> did you reload compiz after getting that package?
[06:19] <fevel> but update manager keeps telling me theres a package that couldnt be upgraded, if I want to partially install
[06:19] <NewToThis> Can I change my root password?
[06:19] <RAOF> Amaranth: I may try to VT switch rather than kill it next time.  But it seems to coincide with nivdia printing XIDs to syslog.
[06:19] <fevel> anyone have this problem?
[06:19] <RAOF> NewToThis: Do you _have_ a root password?
[06:19] <DanaG> Mmm, xid.
[06:19] <Amaranth> fevel: what package?
[06:19] <RAOF> DanaG: _blink_
[06:19] <DanaG> I get that when I get the X lockup.
[06:20] <DanaG> s/_/*/g RAOF
[06:20] <friedtree> what is the latest nvidia video card that is supported under hardy out of the box ?  8600gt ?  8800gt ?
[06:20] <DanaG> XID.
[06:20] <fevel> Amaranth,  seems to be update-notifier
[06:20] <zoli2k> Anyone has the problem, that after wake up from Suspend state the built in mic stars on max volume ? Causing a very unpleasant noise.
 "someone should fork GNOME and rename it to 'gnome'" --mariano, 06-mar-07
[06:20] <DanaG> Oh, and I SAK Xorg... and then it comes back in utterly-crap mode.
[06:20] <DanaG> i.e. 150% unaccelerated.
[06:20] <RAOF> friedtree: Actually, I think that _all_ of them are supported.
[06:20] <DanaG> Even typing will be slow, even under Metacity.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i think so.  i dont remember
[06:21] <JPSman> !hardy
[06:21] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[06:21] <Amaranth> friedtree: not true, only the beta drivers support the 9xxx cards
[06:21] <Amaranth> and i don't think nv supports them at all
[06:21] <friedtree> thank you
[06:21] <JPSman> I screwed up my graphics card so I'm just going to install hardy ontop of this
[06:21] <JPSman> wish me luck
[06:21] <NewToThis> RAOF: Is the password I used to setup my 1st and only account uses the same password - I was under the impression this is the root password - correct?
[06:21] <RAOF> NewToThis: Incorrect.  You don't have a root password.
[06:21] <fevel> Amaranth,  any ideas?
[06:21] <Amaranth> fevel: click the update button
[06:22] <RAOF> !root > NewToThis
[06:22] <Amaranth> fevel: even better would be to try again in synaptic
[06:22] <NewToThis> RAOF: Ok - So I could go into "System" and change it without any problems - correct?
[06:22] <fevel> Amaranth, "A upgrade from hoary to gutsy is not supported with this tool
[06:22] <tanner> anyone know the state of 11n in 8.04?
[06:22] <Amaranth> fevel: use synaptic
[06:23] <Amaranth> 11n?
[06:23] <Amaranth> oh, 802.11n
[06:23] <cvd-pr_> where are the main ubuntu servers located?
[06:23] <Amaranth> if you have intel, you're fine
[06:23] <Amaranth> atheros....have fun
[06:23] <tanner> erm
[06:23] <Amaranth> broadcom....ha
[06:23] <HorizonXP> hhahahaha
[06:23] <RAOF> NewToThis: Change what?
[06:23] <JPSman> does hardy support the creative soundblaster X-Fi drivers?
[06:23] <HorizonXP> this is why I buy Intel only
[06:24] <HorizonXP> OS drivers FTW
[06:24] <nemo> Lynoure: FYI, erasing ~/.openoffice.org2 fixed it
[06:24] <Amaranth> JPSman: Need to ask that question the other way around
[06:24] <cvd-pr_> ?
[06:24] <fevel> Amaranth,  its installed in synaptic
[06:24] <Amaranth> fevel: are you up-to-date in synaptic?
[06:25] <Amaranth> oh, this is a temporary thing
[06:25] <NewToThis> RAOF: My login password when I come to my login boot screen when starting computer - sorry I mentioned - really new to linux - so I apologize.
[06:25] <Lynoure> nemo: that's good
[06:25] <Amaranth> fevel: try again in 4 hours
[06:25] <nemo> Lynoure: 'course I'm *really* sleepy now. :)
[06:25] <nemo> g'nite
[06:25] <RAOF> JPSman: There are no X-Fi ALSA drivers, as I understand it.  There _are_ kinda working OSSv4 drivers, but we don't use OSSv4, given that the linux world has spent the last couple of years trying to get rid of OSS.
[06:25] <nemo> Lynoure: oh. and things seem more stable with compiz disabled. will have to look into that too
[06:25] <fevel> Amaranth,  Why ? are the servers down?
[06:25] <Lynoure> nemo: sleep well.
[06:26] <Amaranth> fevel: no, just a little hiccup in the upgrade due to version mismatch
[06:26] <RAOF> NewToThis: Ah, right.  Yes, you should be able to change _your_ password just fine.
[06:26] <NewToThis> RAOF: I want to change my login password to something more complex.
[06:26] <fevel> I see
[06:26] <fevel> Amaranth,  ok ...thanks
[06:26] <Amaranth> update-manager-core got updated and update-notifier and update-manager haven't built yet
[06:26] <NewToThis> RAOF: Thanks for your patience - appreciate it.
[06:26] <RAOF> NewToThis: System->Preference->About Me will have a button.
[06:27] <NewToThis> RAOF: Ok - got it - thx again.
[06:29] <ecubuntu> hey guys i have a wear problem with my wireless network on hardy
[06:29] <ecubuntu> i can only connect to my neibord wireless but not to my own wireless netowrk
[06:33] <HorizonXP> wow
[06:33] <HorizonXP> my campus network is DIRT slow... it's terrible. Worse than dialup
[06:33] <HorizonXP> getting this compiz update's going to take a while
[06:33] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i have an ssh server i wish to upgrade to hardy (currently gutsy) I'm assuming it would be a bad idea to use X11 forwarding to run update-manager -d on it
[06:34] <jscinoz> what is the correct way to do a distribution upgrade from a console?
[06:34] <tanner_> right, well, 11n is NOT enabled in 8.04
[06:34] <aslaen> update-manager --devel
[06:34] <jscinoz> Would i replace all instances of gutsy with hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:34] <jscinoz> aslaen, yes but i have no monitor, keyboard, mouse on this machine, i only have access to it via SSH
[06:34] <JohnPhys> jscinoz:  I don't think that's advised
[06:34] <jscinoz> and somehow i don't think a dist-upgrade over ssh X11 forwarding would be smart
[06:35] <jscinoz> JohnPhys, how would you recommend i do it?
[06:35] <RAOF> jscinoz: Run 'do-release-upgrade' in a screen session.
[06:35] <jscinoz> thanks RAOF
[06:35] <Prez00> hardy on tp x61, anyone?
[06:36] <HorizonXP> Prez00: what're the specs?
[06:36] <fevel> hardy seems pretty stable
[06:36] <dny> everytime i update, i get a "not all updates can be installed," and i have to do a partial upgrade.  it says it could be because of unofficial software packages, so how do I set it to accept them? :/
[06:36] <tanner_> Prez00: what exactly are you asking
[06:36] <HorizonXP> Prez00: ooh it's a tablet
[06:37] <Prez00> HorizonXP: Lenovo thinkpad x61, mostly intel stuff... just wondering if any biggies with that machine... not tablet
[06:37] <JohnPhys> jscinoz:  follow RAOF's suggestion, I don't  know much other than directly editing the sources.list isn't super advised
[06:37] <tanner_> Prez00: shouldnt be.
[06:37] <HorizonXP> Prez00: oh ok. if it's mostly Intel stuff, should be fine
[06:37] <jscinoz> is upgrading by any method over SSH generally not advised?
[06:37] <cyclonut> anyone have insights into the partial update thing tonight?
[06:37] <tanner_> erm
[06:37] <tanner_> why the hell dont they enabled 802.11n by default :-\
[06:38] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: I'm doing it now. I think it's because update-manager-core got updated, along with compiz
[06:38] <RAOF> tanner_: Because the drivers don't support it?
[06:38] <jscinoz> speaking of 11N, does the iwl4965 driver support it yet?
[06:38] <RAOF> jscinoz: As long as you have easy physical access, that's OK.
[06:38] <tanner_> RAOF: um, they do.
[06:38] <Prez00> So I am assuming, RC is pretty stable, from your comments, great news... Gutsy has been great on this TP...
[06:38] <cyclonut> HorizonXP: I see. Compiz wasnt (and never has been) a problem for me, but I am guessing update-manager-core is the big part
[06:39] <jscinoz> RAOF, yeah its under my desk, i'd just have to swap over my monitor and keyboard if something borked ssh
[06:39] <RAOF> tanner_: So, which drivers, and how do you know it's not using 801.11n
[06:39] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: yeah probably. compiz has been a PITA for me because of the bug they're fixing with this update. It kept locking up my machine at the worst times.
[06:39] <RAOF> jscinoz: Go for it.  Use screen, so that it's not killed if you lose connection half way through.
[06:39] <cyclonut> HorizonXP: I am happily compiz-free :)
[06:39] <HorizonXP> Prez00: RC is pretty stable IMO.
[06:39] <tanner_> RAOF:  iwlwifi, i know because i cannot force my card to associate with my 11n only access point.
[06:39] <cyclonut> (or at least I tell myself I am)
[06:40] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: I <3 compiz. I'm so much more productive with it
[06:40] <cyclonut> its got too many issues for me
[06:40] <HorizonXP> I can't stand Windows now, without it
[06:40] <jscinoz> thanks RAOF
[06:40] <HorizonXP> non-Intel card?
[06:40] <cyclonut> HorizonXP: windows?
[06:40] <Prez00> HorizonXP: good news
[06:40] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: I meant, it makes going back to Windows that much harder.
[06:40] <jscinoz> Also i use the snd-hda-intel driver for alsa, and my nvidia GPU has hdmi output, is it possible to get audio over HDMI with the currently available drivers?
[06:41] <cyclonut> intel card, there are just texture annoyances - some will be drawn on top of others, things will flash through, etc
[06:41] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: odd, which intel card?
[06:41] <HorizonXP> you sure it's not anything to do with the settings you have for compiz?
[06:42] <cyclonut> most of all, intel 950 onboards cannot handle over a (too small) preset texture size, so dual monitors (desktop extension) doesnt work properly
[06:42] <jscinoz> umm
[06:42] <cyclonut> or rather, you have to run your monitors "stacked" (one on top of the other) instead of left-to-right
[06:42] <jscinoz> did someone break something? on my local machine doing a routine upgrade.. it wants to remove update-manager..
[06:42] <cyclonut> jscinoz: wait a few hours then update again
[06:43] <cyclonut> that should fixthings
[06:43] <RAOF> tanner_: Hm.  Dunno.
[06:43] <cyclonut> err, they will most likely fix things*
[06:43] <cyclonut> HorizonXP: and yes, quite certain settings are not an issue :-P
[06:44] <jdrake> Is there any way of getting music to not stop in rhythmbox when I switch from vt7 to vt9? (vt9 was started by switching users)
[06:44] <raevol> hey guys, heron reverted me to metacity, any way i can get it to use emerald again?
[06:44] <HorizonXP> cyclonut: I ran compiz on my older laptop that had a GMA950 onboard, and it worked flawlessly
[06:45] <jscinoz> jdrake, its a pulseaudio problem afaik
[06:45] <HorizonXP> but.... I don't remember running dual-monitors with it
[06:45] <jscinoz> jdrake, i lose all sound from X when i switch to avt
[06:45] <HorizonXP> I may have
[06:45] <jscinoz> a vt*
[06:45] <spine55> raevol: install fusion-icon it has some right click menus that can help you.
[06:45] <HorizonXP> but I switched to this laptop because I wanted to run dual-monitors
[06:45] <Amaranth> that's a feature
[06:45] <Amaranth> sound is supposed to stop when you vt switch
[06:45] <HorizonXP> DVI + VGA built-in baby; nvidia video card though :(
[06:46] <jscinoz> speaking of VT switching.. I'm running on a laptop but using an external display connected via HDMI, yet all VT's still appear on the laptop screen, not my external monitor...
[06:46] <jscinoz> how can i get VT's on an external monitor
[06:46] <raevol> spine55, is there a way i can do this without that icon? i want to keep my system tray clean
[06:46] <raevol> it seems like i should just need to fix a gdm file, shouldn't i?
[06:47] <jdrake> Amaranth: What causes that feature?
[06:47] <spine55> raevol: I know there is don't know it off hand.
[06:47] <Amaranth> jscinoz: you have to boot the system with the other display hooked up and hope your BIOS/video card handles it
[06:47] <jscinoz> soube55 abd raevol what are you trying to do?
[06:47] <raevol> spine55, know where i might start looking? i googled: gdm window manager, and that didn't help
[06:47] <Amaranth> jscinoz: in text mode the computer doesn't know or care what video card you have or what sort of displays you have hooked up
[06:47] <jscinoz> Amaranth, hmm i'll have a poke around in my bios settings a bit later then
[06:47] <Amaranth> jdrake: pulseaudio
[06:48] <jscinoz> amaranth hmm.. although i did manage to get my VT's running at 1280x800x24 :D
[06:48] <Amaranth> it works that way in windows and OS X too
[06:48] <jscinoz> mmm framebuffer
[06:48] <Amaranth> when you switch away from the current session sound stops
[06:48] <Amaranth> jscinoz: that's VESA
[06:48]  * RAOF longs for the day when he can run a VT on his second monitor and have the primary in X.
[06:48] <jscinoz> Amaranth one of the downsides with pulseaudio :P
[06:48] <jscinoz> amaranth, oh :P, well i have fb going anyway because i use splashy instead of usplash
[06:49] <Amaranth> jscinoz: It fixed the #1 problem with fast user switching
[06:49] <jscinoz> amaranth, which was what?
[06:49] <Amaranth> jscinoz: you're not using vesafb?
[06:49] <jscinoz> amaranth fbdev i believe, let me check (unsure)
[06:49] <Amaranth> sound from one user keeps playing when another user is using the system
[06:49] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: fb? can you elaborate? and splashy? I want pretty VTs too!
[06:49] <Amaranth> jscinoz: then that's vesa
[06:49] <jscinoz> alrighty :P
[06:49] <Amaranth> vesa being a standard for 2d display and mode setting
[06:50] <Amaranth> a very limited standard
[06:50] <jscinoz> horizonXP, just install splashy in usplash, note that it will remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[06:50] <jscinoz> and it may break upgrades
[06:50] <jscinoz> but its darn pretty :P
[06:50] <Amaranth> usplash can look pretty took
[06:50] <Amaranth> i've got a 1440x900 image with animation
[06:50] <jscinoz> amaranth, but splashy is so much more advanced than usplash :P
[06:50] <jscinoz> aye, 1280x800 with animation too
[06:50] <Amaranth> jscinoz: splashy also works on a lot less systems
[06:51] <jscinoz> they're trying to incorporate GL and festival in the next release
[06:51] <jscinoz> which should be interesting...
[06:51] <jscinoz> and non linear progress bars (circles and other shapes)
[06:52] <jscinoz> ugh, what was the command to list the vesa modes your card supports?
[06:52] <HorizonXP> hmm....
[06:52] <HorizonXP> can I get it to work at 1280x800 when on my laptop screen, but 1680x1050 when connected to an external screen?
[06:52] <pen> is there a startup or shutdown effect like vista fade for ubuntu?
[06:53] <dale> ubuntu gave me some updates today, and when ive logged on, my taskbar and the one at the top have dissappeared
[06:53] <jscinoz> horizonXP, depends on bios, i cant get vt or splash screen on an external monitor
[06:53] <dale> I just have a desktop with some icons
[06:53] <HorizonXP> well, both of those work for me right now on my external
[06:53] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, if it helps i think the vga mode for 1280x800x24 is vga=0x0361
[06:53] <jscinoz> horizonxp, should probably add that to grub for high res VT
[06:54] <Gary_inNYC> hi, is it possible to create a /home partition using space from 2 hard drives?
[06:54] <HorizonXP> Gary_InNYC: that's a terrific question.
[06:54] <dale> anyone have an idea how I would get them back?
[06:55] <jscinoz> horizonxp, do "sudo hwinfo --framebuffer" to see the modes you can use
[06:55] <HorizonXP> That I don't know the answer to, lol!
[06:55] <Gary_inNYC> i'm planning a clean install when Hardy gets finalized
[06:55] <RAOF> tanner_: Hm.  Does http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1208379724-13568-1-git-send-email-reinette.chatre%40intel.com&forum_name=ipw3945-devel sound familiar at all?
[06:55] <jscinoz> Gary_inNYC you mean have space on two separate hardrives combined into one virtual partition?
[06:55] <x1250> Gary_inNYC: why? It wouldn't be any different, unless you upgraded for gutsy
[06:56] <Gary_inNYC> yeah, i want 1 partition for /home that covers space from 2 disks
[06:56] <jscinoz> gary_inNYC, you may be able to do something like that with LVM
[06:56] <jscinoz> one moment
[06:56] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: highest is 1280x1024x24? but.... my screens are widescreen
[06:56] <HorizonXP> VGA only resolutions?
[06:56] <RAOF> HorizonXP: VESA hates 16:10
[06:57] <jscinoz> Horizonxp, that command shows what your video bios can do, basically VT/splash screens can only use modes that command returns
[06:57] <HorizonXP> okey dokey
[06:57] <Gary_inNYC> i'm thinking my root partition will be on the first drive, while home will cover the rest of the first and most of the second drive, then a swap partition at the second drive as well
[06:57] <jscinoz> RAOF, hwinfo --framebuffer apparently likes me :P lets me see the mode for 1920x1200x24 for my external monitor
[06:57] <Amaranth> jscinoz: usplash can do throbbers and stuff already :)
[06:57] <Amaranth> jscinoz: because it's all C code :P
[06:58] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: what line do I add to grub?
[06:58] <jscinoz> gary_inNYC, look at LVM, i believe it should do what you want
[06:58] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: and does this change my VTs to use fb?
[06:58] <Gary_inNYC> cool thx for the info
[06:59] <jscinoz> horizon XP, on the line kopt=stuff here, add to the end of that vga=modenumber
[06:59] <jscinoz> horizonxp, then sudo update-grub
[06:59] <jscinoz> horizonxp, the number given by hwinfo --framebuffer should be something like 0x0361
[07:00] <HorizonXP> my kopt= line is commented out?
[07:00] <jscinoz> Amaranth, still its duplication of effort, ubuntu having its own specific splash screen instead of using an available one
[07:00] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, it should be, leave it like that
[07:00] <HorizonXP> there's a root=UUID=(hex string)
[07:00] <Amaranth> jscinoz: don't think splashy existed when usplash was started
[07:00] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, yes make a space after that and add vga=yourmodenumber
[07:00] <Amaranth> jscinoz: and usplash still works on more systems
[07:00] <jscinoz> Amaranth fbsplash?
[07:01] <topyli> MOAR SPASHIES
[07:01] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: ok done. that's it?
[07:01] <jscinoz> horizonXP, now run sudo update-grub and reboot
[07:01] <dale> when I logged into ubuntu my main application bar and taskbar were missing, I only have a desktop+icons, does anyone know how to reinstate them?
[07:01] <jscinoz> your VT should all be at the res you specified
[07:01] <RAOF> We should just do what RH does and put an X server in the initramfs :)
[07:01] <topyli> or splashies, as you wish. also, good morning
[07:02] <topyli> dale: run gnome-terminal
[07:02] <jscinoz> Amaranth, i've never been able to get usplash to work with hibernate, splashy works out of the box with it, and has a much less obfuscated theming system
[07:02] <topyli> dale: no don't. run gnome-panel :)
[07:02] <Amaranth> and a much less powerful system
[07:02] <dale> yup, got a terminal running
[07:02] <ripps> Hey What's up
[07:03] <HorizonXP> ok, I'll be back :D
[07:03] <leftyfb> ubuntu 8.04 running on eeepc with /home mounted on an encrypted 8GB SDHC card mounted internally. For some reason ~/.gvfs perms look like: d?????????  ? ?       ?          ?                ? .gvfs        any ideas? Is this going to cause problems?
[07:03] <Amaranth> with usplash imagination and skill are the limit
[07:03] <dale> not installed
[07:03] <dale> installing now
[07:03] <topyli> dale: gnome-panel is not installed? :o
[07:04] <dale> woo, and its back
[07:04] <ripps> My Update Manager is acting wonky. It keeps telling me I need to do a update for update-manager-core, but it wants me to do a partial upgrade. After checking my system, it then says it doesn't.
[07:04] <jscinoz> amaranth, is it even possible to get usplash to work with hibernation? if so i might switch back to it
[07:04] <dale> I have a feeling this is because removed evolution earlier
[07:04] <Amaranth> i don't think it is designed for that
[07:05] <dale> i did a complete removal, but asked in here and somone mentioned it was perfectly safe :P
[07:05] <ripps> And if I try to initiate an update via terminal, it tells me that I need to remove ubuntu-desktop, update-manager, and update-notifier.
[07:05] <topyli> ripps: if you try with synaptic, you'll see that updating update-manager-core would remove some important packages and ubuntu-desktop with them
[07:05] <Amaranth> evolution, not evolution-data-server :P
[07:06] <jscinoz> hmm
[07:06] <topyli> ripps: so don't do that just now. wait for the required packages to be uploaded to the repos
[07:06] <leftyfb> Add to my previous statement, unmounting /home and relogging in still gives ~/.gvfs the same odd permissions
[07:06] <leftyfb> any ideas?
[07:06] <Amaranth> the server is a poorly named central data storage for email, contacts, notes, events, etc
[07:06] <jscinoz> i wish i could figure out where the stupid acpi whitelist was, my laptop works perfectly if i force it to suspend to ram, but since i cant pass --force to s2both i cant use s2both :(
[07:06] <topyli> Amaranth: the naming is very unfortunate
[07:06] <ripps> toplyi: yeah, I was just wonder what was up with that.
[07:06] <topyli> Amaranth: makes evolution haters hate half of gnome
[07:06] <m1r> i have two simple questions, 1st: what is name of package showing sound volume control icon on gnome panel , and 2nd: how can regular user shutdown computer on openbox ?
[07:07] <HorizonXP> ok, Amaranth: my compiz looks messed
[07:07] <Amaranth> dale: you almost certainly blindly removed evolution-data-server and didn't pay attention to it removing 150 or so core gnome packages :)
[07:07] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: Oh, sorry, I gotta run
[07:07]  * Amaranth runs like hell
[07:07] <HorizonXP> Get back here!
[07:07] <HorizonXP> lol
[07:07] <topyli> Amaranth is afraid of window managers, especially compiz
[07:08] <HorizonXP> and jscinoz: stupid question: I was supposed to leave that kopts line commented right?
[07:08] <jscinoz> HorizonXP yes
[07:08] <cvd-pr> where is my  channel operator status?
[07:08] <HorizonXP> ok
[07:08] <jscinoz> horizonXP did it work?
[07:08] <HorizonXP> well, my VT resolution didn't change
[07:08] <dale> the descriptions were all talking about email, when I seen a few that looked suspect, I asked in #ubuntu and somone told me it was safe and normal
[07:08] <jscinoz> horizonXP did you run "sudo update-grub"
[07:08] <HorizonXP> I did
[07:08] <raevol> hey guys: fix for emerald not starting after you upgrade: edit /usr/bin/compiz-decorator and change USE_EMERALD="no" to yes
[07:08] <HorizonXP> and I told it to keep my current menu.lst
[07:08] <jscinoz> horizonXP can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:08] <Amaranth> dale: you need to pat attention to what is happening even if someone says it is safe
[07:08] <HorizonXP> sure
[07:09] <Amaranth> now i just missed the coolest scene in fifth element thanks to you guys
[07:09] <HorizonXP> sucka
[07:09]  * Amaranth rewinds and ignores irc
[07:09] <dale> "The data server, called "Evolution Data Server" is responsible for managing calendar and addressbook information"
[07:09] <HorizonXP> now fix my compiz :P
[07:09] <raevol> where can i post that so it gets read by "someone important"?
[07:09] <HorizonXP> !paste
[07:09] <topyli> HorizonXP: i think by keeping your current menu.lst you just reverted your edits
[07:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[07:10] <dale> see that doesnt sound like its going to remove half of gnome :P but yeh ill pay more attention in future, was just getting annoyed because evolution was killing my processor
[07:10] <topyli> HorizonXP: either that, or the resolution you gave is bad
[07:10] <HorizonXP> nope, my edits are still there
[07:10] <jscinoz> horizonXP, can you pass us the link to your menu.lst on pastebin?
[07:10] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63984/
[07:11] <HorizonXP> so Amaranth: my compiz is drawing things really all messed up
[07:11] <topyli> dale: it doesn't remove half of gnome. your panel was a victim of something else
[07:11] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: good luck with that
[07:11] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, run sudo update-grub again, and let it overwrite your menu.lst
[07:11] <HorizonXP> I don't know how to describe it properly, but the windows and everything draw fine, but there's this "echo" when thinks move around and stuff
[07:12] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: that's it?
[07:12] <jscinoz> horizonXp should be
[07:12] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: grr..... I'm gonna restart, hopefully it's a fluke, lol
[07:12] <HorizonXP> or else
[07:12] <HorizonXP> you in big trouble mista!
[07:12] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: sounds like compiz isn't running
[07:12] <jscinoz> horizonXP, update-grub reads the changes from the commented lines and adds them to all your different kernels
[07:13] <Amaranth> crap redraw during move is one of the things compiz gets rid of
[07:13] <topyli> dale: well whatddyaknow. the panel does depend on evolution-data-server libraries, even though it doesn't depend on the server itself
[07:13] <icanhas> sounds like xgl lol
[07:13] <cvd-pr> How to know the date when i installed heron?
[07:13] <jscinoz> freewins plugin for compiz is pure sex.
[07:13] <dale> anyways, thanks
[07:13] <Amaranth> topyli: that's because the clock shows events for the day
[07:13] <raevol> hey would someone mind posting that fix in the appropriate forum for me? i don't want to have to register an account
[07:13] <topyli> Amaranth: yeah just realized that
[07:13] <Amaranth> and i believe tomboy uses it for note storage
[07:13] <HorizonXP> compiz.real shows up in my processes
[07:13] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: doesn't mean you're using it
[07:13] <HorizonXP> thanks jscinoz, I'll check it out on the next restart
[07:14] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: ok fair enough. only thing I changed was the update.
[07:14] <HorizonXP> ok
[07:14] <dny> Can someone take a look at this for me? :(   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4762466
[07:14] <HorizonXP> let me restart, maybe it'll fix it, I'll come back and see then
[07:14] <HorizonXP> brb
[07:15] <jscinoz> well that failed pretty hard.
[07:15] <jscinoz> compiz just crashed X
[07:16] <topyli> Amaranth: tomboy selfishly uses its own storage
[07:17] <topyli> what's the best way to display UTC in the clock applet? add london as a location?
[07:18] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: restarting fixed it. I think it's because I switched to a VT while booting/auto-logging in that messed something up
[07:18] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: I wonder what doing that now would do
[07:18] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: you must have nvidia
[07:18] <topyli> what if the british go to/from DST? doesn't that make it non-utc?
[07:18] <Amaranth> topyli: don't they?
[07:18] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: I do actually
[07:18] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: Don't you just love nvidia bugs?
[07:18] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: it is the bane of my existance.
[07:18] <topyli> Amaranth: they do. what happens to my precious UTC clock them?
[07:18] <topyli> then
[07:19] <prohna> compiz fusion was working correctly for me until i upgraded to 8.04 the other day now it has weird glitches with windows not repainting themselves correctly
[07:19] <Amaranth> UTC is a pretend time for half the year
[07:19] <prohna> especially if i minimize a window that was infront of that window
[07:19] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: But, it does mean my laptop has both a DVI and VGA port, so I can run 2 monitors at once
[07:19] <prohna> anyone else having weird compiz glitches?
[07:19] <jscinoz>  HorizonXp did it work?
[07:19] <HorizonXP> which I haven't heard of in any other laptop
[07:19] <jscinoz> compiz just killed my X server
[07:19] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: it did not :(
[07:19] <jscinoz> horizonXP, pastebin menu.lst again please
[07:19] <prohna> everything in compiz is working fine
[07:19] <HorizonXP> sure
[07:20] <prohna> its just that windows arent refreshing themselves
[07:20] <prohna> sometimes my panel is all black
[07:20] <prohna> and mousing over stuff makes it appear
[07:20] <HorizonXP> !paste
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[07:21] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63985/
[07:21] <HorizonXP> must be the VGA mode I'm trying to use then eh?
[07:21] <jscinoz> HorizonXp, thats strange, update grub isn't adding it to the kernel lines, run sudo update-grub and pastebin me the full output
[07:22] <kona> Hi, Does Hamachi run or install in Hardy Heron?
[07:22] <jscinoz> horizonXp no, update-grub isnt doing what its supposed to or you're invoking it wrong
[07:22] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63986/
[07:22] <HorizonXP> I ran sudo update-grub to get that output
[07:23] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, and now that you ran it again, your menu.lst should have changed, please paste again
[07:23] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63987/
[07:24] <HorizonXP> I don't think it changed
[07:24] <kona> Does Hamachi remote login software run in hardy heron?
[07:24] <HorizonXP> vim would've warned me that the file changed
[07:24] <jscinoz> horizonXP, alright we can do it manually
[07:24] <HorizonXP> YAY!
[07:24] <HorizonXP> lol
[07:25] <jscinoz> horizon XP on line 132 add that vga=0x031b option, be advised that it will be removed next kernel upgrade
[07:26] <HorizonXP> sure
[07:26] <Bassetts> hi, since yesterday my usb flash drives will not automount, they show up under Places but I have to go to Places > FlashDriveName in order for it to mount and appear on the desktop
[07:26] <HorizonXP> done; that's it?
[07:26] <jscinoz> horizonXP, should be, also is there any reason you're keeping old kernels around?
[07:26] <jscinoz> horizonXP, all kernels but the latest can be safely removed via synaptic/apt-get
[07:26] <HorizonXP> jscinoz:no, I just commented them out right now as we were making the changes you said to
[07:27] <HorizonXP> ? are you saying that I have old copies on my machine?
[07:27] <HorizonXP> wait... that makes sense
[07:27] <HorizonXP> dummy me
[07:27] <HorizonXP> so no, no reason I'm keeping them, lol
[07:27] <HorizonXP> Bassetts: I've actually noticed the same thing with my external
[07:27] <jscinoz> horizon xp uncomment them and remove old kernels via synaptic, then update-grub should work properly
[07:28] <jscinoz> horizonxp hang on ill just pastebin how it should look
[07:30]  * HorizonXP thinks his campus network shouldn't count Ubuntu updates towards his bandwidth cap of 500 MB a day
[07:30] <jscinoz> horizonxp http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63988/ then remove the old kernels via synaptic/apt-get/whatever (should be called linux-image-2.6.22-XX, remove all but -16)
[07:30] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, most ISP's nowadays provide unmetered mirrors of apt repositories
[07:30] <jscinoz> horizonXP tell your tech guys that :P
[07:30] <HorizonXP> HAHAHAHA
[07:30] <HorizonXP> you're funny jscinoz
[07:31] <HorizonXP> the Resnet office here is ridiculous kinds of useless
[07:31] <jscinoz> HorizonXP, by the way are you on a mac? or are you using OSX86?
[07:31] <jscinoz> as you have OS X entries in your menu.lst :P
[07:31] <HorizonXP> we've been having issues with DNS server going down every DAY.... since September. and they blame it on their ISP
[07:31] <HorizonXP> OSX86 :)
[07:32] <HorizonXP> I just wanted to try it; I liked Ubuntu better
[07:32] <HorizonXP> I'm just keeping it on there to show my dad, then I'm wiping it
[07:32] <jscinoz> horizonXP heh, did you remove those old kernels yet?
[07:34] <HorizonXP> doing it now; it frees up 435 MB?!
[07:35] <jscinoz> Horizonxp, yes you likely have a number of modules, headers and sources laying around for old kernels
[07:35] <axion> in headers and the likes HorizonXP ?
[07:36] <HorizonXP> yeah
[07:36] <HorizonXP> probably
[07:36] <HorizonXP> feels lighter already!
[07:36] <jscinoz> ls on an ftp folder with 32,000+ items is painful
[07:36]  * tanner_ is tempted to get a mac book pro the next time around (along with a x series thinkpad :D)
[07:36]  * jscinoz smacks duplicity
[07:36] <jscinoz> wow... 15mb of data just reading all the filenames >_<
[07:37] <HorizonXP> wow, well that sucks
[07:37] <HorizonXP> I ran update-grub, and it didn't fix my menu.lst
[07:37] <axion> lenovo lay to rest the last non-widescreen laptop
[07:37] <jscinoz> horizonxp, paste please :P
[07:38] <HorizonXP> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63989/
[07:38] <jscinoz> horizonxp, and you definately removed the old kernels?
[07:38] <Anonona_DC|ZZZ> Is it possible to roll back an Ubuntu upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 RC1?
[07:39] <RAOF> Anonona_DC|ZZZ: No.
[07:39] <jscinoz> Anonnona, not automatically
[07:39] <HorizonXP> linux-image-??, yeah definitely
[07:39] <Fritzel> is there any package I can install to give ark the ability to manage rar's?
[07:39] <jscinoz> you could manually downgrade every package but that would take days
[07:39] <jscinoz> HorizonXP ugh update-grub hates you >_< give me a minute
[07:39] <HorizonXP> hahahaha
[07:39] <HorizonXP> np
[07:40] <jscinoz> you are running update-grub as root yes?
[07:40] <jscinoz> with sudo
[07:40] <axion> well at the very least it dislikes him...
[07:40] <HorizonXP> yeah, synaptic doesn't even show enetries for the old ones anymore
[07:40] <HorizonXP> yes I am
[07:40] <jscinoz> does it ask you any questions?
[07:40] <HorizonXP> nope
[07:41] <axion> hmm... ever heard of vi ? and menu.lst ?
[07:41] <jscinoz> and the file you're pasting is definately /boot/grub/menu.lst not /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak or something
[07:41] <HorizonXP> yes, definitely
[07:41] <jscinoz> axion but if update-grub isnt working he's going to hvae issues next kernel upgrade
[07:41] <jscinoz> horizonxp one sec
[07:42] <axion> manually force the installed kernel package to reinstall..
[07:43] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: I fixed it
[07:43] <jscinoz> horizonxp what was wrong?
[07:43] <HorizonXP> no idea
[07:43] <jscinoz> horizonxp what did you do to fix it?
[07:43] <HorizonXP> but I moved my menu.lst to menu.lst.bak, and regenerated it using update-grub
[07:43] <jscinoz> horizonxp heh, good
[07:43] <HorizonXP> I added the vga= line to kopts, added my entries for the other OSes
[07:44] <jscinoz> reboot and test it out :P
[07:44] <axion> you probably editted menu.lst some time in the past..
[07:44] <HorizonXP> and ran it again, seemed to update the Ubuntu entries approrpriately
[07:44] <HorizonXP> will do!
[07:44] <HorizonXP> brb
[07:44] <m1r> any openbox users here ?
[07:44] <afief> Can anybody open the system->administrator->Login Window thing? I tried to on two PCs and it just doesn't work
[07:44] <axion> and update-grub saw some inconsistancies with install-base
[07:45] <jscinoz> afief it works on mine
[07:45] <afief> jscinoz, peculiar
[07:48] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: works! although my external LCD scales it weird, that's cool
[07:48] <HorizonXP> jscinoz: I'm guessing my laptop's 1280x800 screen won't like the 1280x1024 resolution I picked though, right?
[07:50] <axion> your probably get a partial display of the full-desktop..
[07:50] <jscinoz> HorizonXP different ratios so thats why it scales strange
[07:50] <HorizonXP> yeah
[07:50] <HorizonXP> I can live with it for now
[07:51] <HorizonXP> I'll figure out a better resolution later
[07:51] <jscinoz> i wish nvidia would opensource their drivers
[07:51] <HorizonXP> thanks a TON for your help :)
[07:51] <jscinoz> so they can be included in the kernel and we can have kernel modeswitching
[07:51] <jscinoz> np
[07:51] <HorizonXP> ME TOO....
[07:51] <HorizonXP> I'd buy NVidia cards in a heartbeat
[07:51] <axion> HorizonXP, why don't yu use dual-side-by-side-display
[07:51] <jscinoz> i saw that article on Phoronix about kernel mode switching with a hacked intel driver
[07:51] <jscinoz> unbelievably nice
[07:51] <nocturn> Hi all
[07:51] <HorizonXP> instead, I'm trying my hardest to find an Intel based motherboard with 2 DVI outputs
[07:51]  * RAOF raises nouveau again...
[07:52] <HorizonXP> axion: what do you mean?
[07:52] <jscinoz> RAOF, pity nouveau fails pretty epicly for 3d at the moment
[07:52] <jscinoz> www.opentheblob.com
[07:52] <nocturn> I'm trying to use FireFox2 on Hardy for a site that does not like FF3
[07:52] <nocturn> But how do I get the java plugin to work on FF2 too?
[07:52] <ripps> nocturn: what's the site?
[07:52] <jscinoz> raof, sign it :P only 6 more signatures before we can say its OVER NINE THOUUUUUUSAND
[07:53] <axion> HorizonXP, desktop devided over 2 displays
[07:53] <icanhas> jscinoz: ha
[07:53] <RAOF> jscinoz: I fear that no matter how many sigs that has nvidia won't care.
[07:53] <nocturn> ripps: it's the management page of a cisco router.  It needs to install a java applet to make a vpn connection too it.
[07:53] <HorizonXP> axion: I do.... I have two 22" LCDs at 1680x1050 hooked up to my laptop
[07:53] <jscinoz> i say they might take notice if it gets to 10k
[07:53] <HorizonXP> if I could use the laptop's internal LCD as a 3rd, I would
[07:54] <jscinoz> i can see no good reason to keep drivers closed source though
[07:54] <axion> HorizonXP, ok..
[07:54] <jscinoz> they dont profit off the drivers, intel and ati//amd open sourced theirs
[07:54] <axion> well jscinoz the reason for closed source drivers is consumerism
[07:54] <ripps> Have you tried reinstalling the java plugin?
[07:54] <jscinoz> axion, but why? they don't sell the drivers or profit off them :P
[07:55] <nocturn> ripps: no... I'll try that now
[07:55] <axion> they want you to buy the latest card with the new drivers, and not develop your own drivers for the oldest card..
[07:55] <RAOF> jscinoz: Indeed.  But even if they _did_ open their drivers it wouldn't actually help that much.
[07:55] <jscinoz> axion, aye, but look at their windows drivers, its not hard to make the brand new ones work on old cards, just edit the .inf
[07:55] <bazhang> that site wont load for me ;(
[07:56] <RAOF> jscinoz: Since we'd need to rewrite large sections of their code, because they don't use X infrastructure.
[07:56] <jscinoz> axion so its not like they really dont want you using new drivers with oldc ards
[07:56] <jscinoz> RAOF, specs at least would make noveau development so much faster.
[07:56] <RAOF> The really useful thing to do would be to learn enough X to hack on nouveau :)
[07:56] <axion> well untill they come up with a next arch..
[07:56] <jscinoz> hmm
[07:56] <RAOF> jscinoz: Yeah, a bit.  But most of the RE has already been done.
[07:56] <jscinoz> RE?
[07:57] <RAOF> Reverse engineering.
[07:57] <bazhang> reverse engineering
[07:57] <jscinoz> ah :P
[07:57] <jscinoz> i say get those Anonymous folk to go parade around in guy fawkes masks in front of Nvidia's HQ :P
[07:57] <jscinoz> even if it achieves nothing, its hil.arious :P
[07:57] <RAOF> Hell, yes.
[07:57] <jscinoz> howd that period get in there..
[07:58] <jscinoz> anyways..
[07:58] <jscinoz> I got my packages into debian btw :D
[07:58] <tanner_> erm, why the hell does make-kpkg produce a 200MB file >.>
[07:58] <jscinoz> I'll get them synced for intrepid
[07:58] <axion> another reason for keeping the drivers closed source is sloppy programming.. so sloppy the programmers wouldn't get a job elsewhere..
[07:58] <jscinoz> axion nice :P
[07:58] <RAOF> I think you mentioned :).  I've got gmail treating bug reports in my debian packages as spam :(
[07:59] <jscinoz> hmm what do you guys think of that thing on Valve's jobs page saying they need someone to port windows games to Linux?
[07:59] <jscinoz> Native linux source engine please :P
[07:59] <axion> as in: even the helpdeskpersonnell would be ashamed to say : yes that source comes from the guy just demoted to sitting next to me..
[08:00] <scizzo-> jscinoz: there is a engine
[08:00] <jscinoz> scizzo- what?
[08:00] <scizzo-> jscinoz: there was a company that ported games before
[08:00] <jscinoz> aye
[08:00] <jscinoz> Imo valve should hire Icculus to fill that position :P
[08:00] <jscinoz> his ports are always good
[08:01] <solexious> Guys, can i uograde my server 6.06 to 8.04 with out needing dvd's etc as my server is in a remote sata center
[08:01] <axion> well mostly they are afraid people will find out that all the functionality that's in the newest card is also doable with the oldest card....
[08:01] <jscinoz> axion yep :P
[08:02] <jscinoz> axion, i wish someone would make a hacked up 9600GT that had two sli bridge connectors
[08:02] <jscinoz> tri SLI on 9600gt :D
[08:02] <jscinoz> its so annoying that the card is technically capable of tri-sli yet they purposley left the second sli connector off... probably so they can sell more of the 9800s
[08:02] <axion> hmm asus or one of those other Mainboard manufacturers actually made a tri-gpu card...
[08:03] <axion> guess what ?
[08:03] <axion> it doesn't scale well..
[08:03] <axion> little to no performance increase
[08:03] <solexious> [Q] Guys, can i upgrade my server 6.06 to 8.04 with out needing dvd's etc as my server is in a remote sata center
[08:03] <scizzo-> solexious: the development towards 8.04 is suppose to fix the upgrade without problem...you can use the command line to get it through the net
[08:03] <jscinoz> axion, i hear the 9series cards scale much better though
[08:03] <ripps> solexious: You should only need to use "update-manager -d", just be aware that it's still not finished and there might  be problems.
[08:04] <solexious> scizzo-: o was there a problem before? if i wait till relise should it be ok?
[08:04] <tanath> i enabled the proprietary video driver, but it's not in use. why would that be?
[08:04] <scizzo-> solexious: I would wait for the actual release
[08:04] <axion> laters people got to go to work.. macosx
[08:05] <tanath> (used the manager thingy)
[08:05] <ripps> solexious: Just wait two more days and update-manager should offer you the ability to upgrade.
[08:05] <scizzo-> solexious: if it is a running live server then I would wait a bit longer also....for people to test it on "not so live" systems
[08:05] <jscinoz> tanath for nvidia i assume?
[08:05] <tanath> jscinoz, nope
[08:05] <jscinoz> tanath what for?
[08:05] <tanath> jscinoz, ati. what else?
[08:05] <solexious> Thank you both
[08:06] <jscinoz> tanath did you add the line in xorg.conf?
[08:06] <ripps> solexious: I'm with scizzo, test it out on a non-critical system first and make sure any files are backed up before you upgrade
[08:06] <tanath> jscinoz, i know nothing of that...
[08:06] <tanath> jscinoz, that is, didn't know i was supposed to do something
[08:06] <tanath> jscinoz, just used the hardware driver gui thing
[08:07] <ripps> The best way to install proprietary drivers for either ati or nvidia is to use EnvyNG
[08:07] <jscinoz> tanath run "gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[08:07] <bazhang> that is approved method now?
[08:07] <jscinoz> tanath and pastebin me the contents
[08:08] <ripps> Or rather, it's my favorite method.
[08:08] <jscinoz> afaik envy was still not recommended
[08:08] <bazhang> saw envyNG on the hardy-changes mailing list as being accepted
[08:08] <ripps> Envy is for legacy, Gutsy and below. EnvyNG is for Hardy and up.
[08:09] <bazhang> right; and the author has apparently worked closely with ubuntu devel for this version
[08:09] <Hobbsee> bazhang: it'll get pulled if it doesn't get fixed.
[08:09] <ripps> It also has uses DKMS, so new modules are installed when you upgrade your kernel
[08:10] <bazhang> Hobbsee: thanks for the info
[08:10] <jscinoz> tanath any luck pastebining the contents of that file?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> bazhang: but it should get fixed.
[08:11] <tanath> jscinoz, just said my post tripped a spam filter. o.O
[08:11] <bazhang> Hobbsee: nice to know cheers!
[08:11] <tanath> jscinoz, trying another
[08:11] <RAOF> Hobbsee: By 'fixed' you're referring to "shouldn't install packages from a PPA", right?
[08:11] <tanath> jscinoz, http://pastebin.ca/992957
[08:11] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yes
[08:12] <jscinoz> tanath, line 89 change ati to fglrx
[08:12] <jscinoz> tanath and restart X, that should do it
[08:13] <RAOF> tanath: Wow, that's a crazy xorg.conf :).
[08:13] <tanath> heh
[08:13] <tanath> don't remember where i got all the modeline stuff from, but it worked
[08:14] <RAOF> Eh.  It'll break stuff soon.
[08:14] <bazhang> have seen some sources.lists that have a #added by software properties at the end of certain entries--what would do that?
[08:14] <RAOF> Maybe not for Hardy, but I think it will for Intrepid.
[08:14] <RAOF> tanath: Also, it's confused jockey :)
[08:15] <tanath> RAOF, ?
[08:15] <RAOF> jockey being the "Hardware Drivers" manager now.
[08:15] <RAOF> You confused it, apparently, by having a Device section that isn't actually used at all :)
[08:15] <cvd-pr> q esta pasando aqui?
[08:15] <tanath> jscinoz, wasn't there supposed to be a GUI for configuring X?
[08:16] <jscinoz> tanath displayconfig-gtk i believe
[08:16] <RAOF> !es | cvd-pr
[08:16] <ubotu> cvd-pr: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[08:16] <tanath> hm
[08:16] <RAOF> I hope I'm right there, my Spanish herustic may be over-sensitive :)
[08:17] <RAOF> tanath: I don't think displayconfig-gtk works with our default setup anymore, but I'm not sure.  That may be fixed.
[08:17] <RAOF> At one point it was being confused by our minimal xorg.conf
[08:18] <tanath> jscinoz, RAOF, ok, need to reboot now, right?
[08:18] <jscinoz> tanath, an x restart should suffice
[08:18] <jscinoz> tanath ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:19] <bazhang> any clue on the sources.list with the #added by software properties entries?
[08:20] <tanath> jscinoz, i'd have thought that, but when i enabled the fglrx driver with the gui thing, it said a reboot was needed
[08:20] <RAOF> tanath: Yeah.  It was kinda lying.
[08:20] <tanath> RAOF, mistaken you mean?
[08:21] <tanath> RAOF, it's only lying if it's an intentional untruth...
[08:21] <RAOF> No, lying.  You don't have to restart, ever*.  * for sufficiently local values of ever. :)
[08:21] <tanath> bah, whatever
[08:21] <RAOF> It's a convinient untruth.
[08:22] <tanath> well, it should be clear
[08:22] <tanath> that would be more convenient :P
[08:22] <tanath> brb
[08:24] <thyko> has anyone managed to get their bcm43xx wireless card working on 8.04?
[08:26] <ethana2> thyko: :(
[08:27] <ethana2> thyko: I know a guy who I'm trying to move over to Ubuntu that has one
[08:27] <ethana2> thyko: I don't know...  blasted broadcom
[08:32] <tanath> jscinoz, arg... i can't get it working with the fglrx driver
[08:33] <tanath> jscinoz, the open source one seemed to work fine, but now after logging in i'm restricted to 800x600
[08:33] <tanath> jscinoz, though neither of the fglrx ones work
[08:36]  * tanath is a little frustrated
[08:37] <Esurnir> hello... I've installed hardy on my laptop, full install, but it seems that for some unknown reason, after having installed the ugly set of plugin for gstreamer, the totem movie player "freeze" while trying to read a dvd
[08:38] <ripps> Couple things that prevent me from using compiz: VERY slow firefox scrolling, slow/flickering 3d applications.
[08:39] <ripps> Esurnir: have you tried vlc or mplayer?
[08:39] <Esurnir> vlc ? nope
[08:39] <Esurnir> ok it's not responding, forcing quit
[08:39] <Esurnir> but I'm going to try vlc
[08:39] <Esurnir> I remember it from windows, it's a good one
[08:40] <Volkodav> what's the command to delete files with certain extension ? rm .moi* ?
[08:40] <Jaymac> is there any workaround for running googleearth with the ATI restricted driver? it flickers almost incessantly
[08:40] <ripps> Personally, I find gstreamer limiting or buggy, I have switched over to xine. Works better. Also, I've made mplayer my default player, because it just seems to be more compatible with most video types.
[08:40] <ripps> Jaymac: Disable compiz
[08:40] <Esurnir> Volkodav: rm *.moi
[08:40] <Esurnir> perhaps
[08:41] <Volkodav> Esurnir, sure?
[08:41] <Esurnir> well it erase all .moi files
[08:41] <Esurnir> in the current folder that is
[08:41] <Volkodav> right - that's what I need
[08:41] <Volkodav> thanks
[08:41] <Jaymac> ripps: yeah I know I can do that, but that is annoying to do every time... no other workarounds?
[08:42] <Esurnir> argh
[08:42] <Esurnir> when I try to read a dvd with vlc
[08:42] <Esurnir> crash
[08:42] <Esurnir> immediate
[08:43] <Esurnir> perhaps I should reboot >.>
[08:43] <topyli> reboot eh
[08:44] <Esurnir> well gstreamer must have crashed so perhaps it perturbed the force...
[08:44] <ripps> Esurnir: you might need to install some packages from medibuntu.
[08:44] <Esurnir> who is definitely not with me
[08:44] <pen> can anyone tell me why screenlet manager keep poping out after I try to open it?? like a window bomb
[08:44] <Esurnir> medibuntu ?
[08:44] <pen> python is acting abnormal
[08:45] <mrtimdog> Just done my morning updates... ubuntu-desktop broken on dep of update-manager on dep of update-manager-core being unsatisfied. Is this just me, I can't see any reports so far in Launchpad, or here?
[08:46] <ripps> mrtimdog: Yeah, I'm getting that too. Guess we just have to wait until they fix it. There might be a bug report.
[08:46] <mvo> mrtimdog: what mirror do you use? this was a issue at the weekend for most people, maybe yours was a bit slow updateing
[08:47] <mrtimdog> ﻿ripps: Just checking it wasn't just a screw up on my behalf! ;)
[08:47] <matyy_> hej, in which file is the locale for x set? i forgot the ,%$/ name
[08:47] <mrtimdog> ﻿mvo: The main one I think, just checking...
[08:47] <mvo> ohh, yeah - sorry there was another update yesterday
[08:48] <mrtimdog> ﻿mvo: Yep, main.
[08:48] <tanath> when i use the Hardware Drivers utility to enable the fglrx driver, it doesn't work. it says it's not in use, and my screen resolution gets restricted to 800*600
[08:48] <mvo> mrtimdog: they should be in sync again very soon, LP says all architectures are build :)
[08:49] <mrtimdog> ﻿mvo: Thanks, I'm not in a rush for it as I can still play my music :)
[08:49] <tanner_> damn
[08:50] <tanner_> seems the 802.11n implementation is no faster than 802.11g
[08:51] <Volkodav> anybody used bulk rename? The rename files button is greyed out after all parameters I filled out
[08:51] <ripps> 802.11n really shouldn't seem faster unless your transferring files at speeds faster than 56 mbps
[08:52] <tanner_> ripps: 802.11n should stream hi def content wirelessly seemlessly
[08:52] <tanner_> which it did not :(
[08:52] <ripps> hmmm....
[08:53] <tanner_> its a shame its not built into hardy's kernel by default
[08:53] <tanner_> had to build 2.6.25 :-\
[08:53] <ripps> Does anybody know how to speed up firefox scrolling with compiz
[08:53] <crdlb> ripps: what video card?
[08:54] <ripps> crdlb: ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
[08:54] <crdlb> fglrx or radeon?
[08:54] <ripps> fglrx
[08:54] <crdlb> ripps: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure you're using XAA
[08:55] <thyko> ethana2: hmm ... i'll give ndiswrapper a shot
[08:55] <ethana2> thyko: we did
[08:55] <ethana2> thyko: good luck
[08:56] <ethana2> thyko: you're probably more comfortable with it than the windows user I was trying to help
[08:57] <ripps> crdlb: looks like it. (II) fglrx(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
[08:57] <ripps> (II) XAA: Evicting pixmaps
[08:58] <crdlb> I dunno then
[08:58] <crdlb> radeon might be faster :P
[08:58] <ripps> Yeah, but every other 3d and video application will be slower
[08:59] <ripps> A pretty window manager is worth crippled software
[08:59] <ripps> *isn't
[08:59] <Amaranth> ripps: this is a bug in AIGLX
[08:59] <Amaranth> XCopyArea becomes unaccelerated
[09:00] <ripps> Amaranth: Any fixes?
[09:00] <Amaranth> Disable AIGLX
[09:00] <thyko> ethana2: got it to work on suse 10.3, but the 64 bit version is abit slow, so i slapt kubuntu on
[09:00] <Amaranth> (which will disable compiz too)
[09:00] <ripps> How do I do that again?
[09:00] <Amaranth> It's actually CPU intensive without compiz too it's just that compiz pushes it over the top
[09:00] <thyko> thyko: very fast, reminds me of a lamborghini
[09:02] <ethana2> oooh
[09:02] <ethana2> firefox is going to let me move the menu bar!
[09:02] <ethana2> It's going to let me merge it with the toolbar!  FINALLY!
[09:02] <ethana2> ...now the window title bar will be the only thing I can't bend to my will
[09:02] <crdlb> you couldn't already do that with an extension?
[09:03] <ethana2> I don't know
[09:03] <ethana2> I'm just using the normal customization thingy
[09:03] <ethana2> it seems like it /wants/ to let me move the toolbar
[09:03] <crdlb> there's even an extension for epiphany to do that :P
[09:03] <ethana2> but it can't yet
[09:03] <ethana2> WAIT--  I can put /other/ stuff /into/ the menu bar!
[09:03] <ethana2> HOORAH!!!
[09:04] <ethana2> ~ sorry to bother you gentlemen, but my mockups are now a ton easier for me to make. ~
[09:05] <ripps> Oh wait! Does that mean I'd have to use XGL? I had so much trouble with XGL before, I don't want to mess with it anymore.
[09:05] <Tyczek> hi... Do you have problems with XV with ati fglrx... ? It was working in gutsy since fglrx 8.3 and now on hardy it isnt working
[09:05] <topyli> crdlb: could you try if your epiphany can import bookmarks already?
[09:05] <starscalling> hrm
[09:05] <topyli> been broken for some time
[09:05] <starscalling> anyone got exchange to sync with global address list?
[09:06] <starscalling> [on exchange]
[09:06] <crdlb> topyli: I'm not currently near a hardy install :)
[09:06] <topyli> okay
[09:06] <ripps> Tyczek: my xv is working fine in Hardy, do you have "Option "XVideo" "Enable"" in your Extensions section of your xorg.conf?
[09:08] <Tyczek> ripps, wait
[09:08] <Fritzel> does anyone know of a channel that might be able to help me figure out how to display the contents of a variable passed as a string to a function?
[09:08] <ripps> Tycek: okay
[09:09] <crdlb> Fritzel: uh, what language?
[09:09] <Fritzel> c++
[09:09] <tanner_> ##C++
[09:09] <crdlb> then, ##c++ ?
[09:09] <Fritzel> thank you both
[09:09] <Tyczek> ripps, http://wklej.org/id/7044b774a8
[09:11] <ripps> Tycek: Apparently you don't have an Extensions section. Hold on while I paste my xorg.conf.
[09:11] <Tyczek> ok
[09:13] <ripps> Tyczek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63992/
[09:13] <Tyczek> ripps, thanks
[09:13] <ripps> Don't just copy my entire xorg.conf, but it might help you figure out some stuff.
[09:14] <ionstorm> why is hardy so slow?
[09:14] <ionstorm> hardy is like 100 percent slower than fiesty
[09:15] <ripps> ionstorm, Not for me. Hardy is like a breeze compared to how buggy my fiesty used to be.
[09:15] <Tyczek> ripps, wow... you have so many options
[09:15] <tanner_> damnit!!
[09:16] <tanner_> >.> vmware wont compile against 2.6.25
[09:16] <Amaranth> 2.6.25 isn't in any version of ubuntu
[09:16] <tanner_> why thank you for that statement.
[09:16] <Tyczek> brb
[09:16] <ripps> Tyczek: just pay attention to the Extension, Device, and Module settings.
[09:17] <tanner_> ubuntu also doesnt have 802.11n support.
[09:17] <Amaranth> ripps: So you have two ati video card each driving one screen and a wacom tablet?
[09:17] <_Rambaldi> when i open firefox, it opens up in a sort of fullscreen, it covers all panels, how do is stop this
[09:18] <ripps> No, I have a TV connected to my ATI Card and it counts that as a seperate device.
[09:18] <ionstorm> ripps what are your system specs
[09:19] <ripps> ionstorm: Athlon XP 2500+, Nforce2 motherboard, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, 512mb ram, SBLive! 5.1 soundcard
[09:19] <ionstorm> ah, I got basically the same
[09:19] <ionstorm> hmm
[09:19] <ripps> Not to old, not new
[09:20] <ionstorm> I got a ton of shit installed, maybe I should just clean up shop and reinstall
[09:20] <ripps> Maybe...
[09:20] <ionstorm> it runs fine with 512 ram?
[09:20] <ionstorm> did u disable anything?
[09:20] <ripps> I have an application called Preload installed, it speeds up bootup and the launching of applications.
[09:21] <ionstorm> ah
[09:21] <ionstorm> ive tried that, didnt notice much of a difference
[09:21] <ripps> Naw, preload soaks up excess ram to speed up launches, and  I still only use about 300mb
[09:21] <ionstorm> what apps u run?
[09:22] <ripps> What exactly is slow?
[09:22] <ionstorm> for some reason im always using swap
[09:22] <ionstorm> firefox and switching between apps
[09:22] <tanner_> ionstorm: how much ram?
[09:22] <ionstorm> i got a p4 hypyerthread 3ghz 1 gig ram
[09:22] <ionstorm> i run firefox3/xchat
[09:22] <brady_k> hey
[09:23] <tanner_> thats understandable
[09:23] <ionstorm> ive disabled bluetooth and other things on startup
[09:23] <ionstorm> and im always swapping
[09:23] <ripps> ionstorm: do you have compiz enabled?
[09:23] <brady_k> i just upgraded to HH today... and my fonts are a little weird sometimes
[09:23] <tanner_> the kernel will start using swap BEFORE you run out of memory
[09:23] <ionstorm> no
[09:23] <Tyczek> ripps, http://wklej.org/id/35a172c5ff is it good?
[09:23] <ripps> Tycek: hold on a sec
[09:23] <bullgard4> Where can I find a classification of the 109 terminal fonts that Hardy offers?
[09:23] <ionstorm> tanner_,  ive even experimented with swappiness in sysctrl
[09:23] <ionstorm> changed to 0 then 100, things are just slow
[09:24] <Fritzel> does anyone know how to escape a google search? I need a [ in my search
[09:24] <tanner_> eh? i thought we were talking about swap usage.
[09:24] <tanner_> swap wont be your bottleneck unless a great deal of swap is being used.
[09:25] <tanner_> ionstorm: what specifically is slow
[09:25] <ionstorm> im using around 300-800 mb swap
[09:25] <tanner_> O.O
[09:25] <tanner_> upgrade your ram
[09:25] <tanner_> although DDR may still be expensive :-\
[09:26] <ripps> Tycek: Looks good. If that works, then add "Option "VideoOverlay" "on"" and "Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"" to your Device section to improve video quality.
[09:26] <Amaranth> tanner_: when things get pushed to swap and never used again they stay in swap
[09:26] <Amaranth> although they shouldn't get pushed to swap anyway
[09:26] <Tyczek> ripps, allright
[09:26] <brady_k> here's a screenshot of my font problem: http://img-king.com/img/show.php/7780_fonts.png.html
[09:26] <ionstorm> im thinking trackerd is causing the swap issue
[09:26] <ripps> ionstorm: what's your ram?
[09:27] <ionstorm> because im indexing allot of additional dir
[09:27] <tanner_> they should still be "free"'d from swaps account of them.
[09:27] <ionstorm> crucial ddr 3200
[09:27] <Amaranth> ionstorm: tracker uses little ram
[09:27] <Amaranth> tanner_: no no, if a part of libgnome gets pushed to swap and nothing ever tries to access that part it will stay in swap
[09:28] <ripps> Yeah, I doubt it's tracker.
[09:28] <Amaranth> because libgnome is always going to be in use in your desktop
[09:28] <Amaranth> just not that part
[09:28] <brady_k> anybody?
[09:28] <tanner_> erm, that should never happen in the first place.
[09:28] <Amaranth> brady_k: I don't see a problem, those fonts look fine
[09:29] <brady_k> Amaranth: the terminal and the code in the background are shaded weird and it hurts the eyes... but this room, for example, is fine
[09:29] <Amaranth> the terminal and the code in the background look _great_
[09:29] <Amaranth> the chat window is all messed up, the lines are too thin
[09:30] <brady_k> ﻿Amaranth: I hope that's a joke...?
[09:30] <Amaranth> no
[09:30] <prashant___> hello all ! i want to discuss a serious bug( may be it is a bug or it just happend to me :() .. I installed hardy beta and upgraded it to RC and In it firstly firestarter does not work on it ... It says canot access eth0 but my internet is running , when i was working wit nautilus i mean browsing folders suddenly a msg was displayed that " not a valid ext3" and when i restarted everything was gone... my linux partition was no more a ext3 so only opt
[09:30] <ripps> Play around with your Font Anti Aliasing until you find one you like.
[09:30] <tanner_> brady_k: um, they look perfect
[09:30] <brady_k> ﻿Amaranth: ok well regardless, there is an issue between the two
[09:31] <Amaranth> prashant___: perhaps you got unlucky and your HD crashed right at the same time you upgraded?
[09:31] <Amaranth> if it was going bad an upgrade would probably kill it off
[09:31] <ripps> brady_k: both look fine to me, it might be your monitor.
[09:31] <Amaranth> prashant___: anyway, there is nothing we can do about it
[09:31] <Tyczek> ripps, hmm... unfortunelly http://wklej.org/id/9e0506566a
[09:32] <Amaranth> prashant___: your data is gone either way
[09:32] <brady_k> ripps: my monitor is a brand new 22" widescreen ViewSonic connected with that HDMI (or whatever)... so no.
[09:32] <Amaranth> viewsonic
[09:32] <Amaranth> don't they make crap screens?
[09:32] <tanner_> brady_k: i assure you, from the screen shot, the terminal looks perfect, have you changed positions on the screen?
[09:32] <brady_k> ﻿Amaranth: no!  and i had no problems before with gutsy
[09:32] <brady_k> tanner_: positions?
[09:33] <tanner_> brady_k: to see if perhaps the issue was related to the left side of the monitor
[09:33] <prashant___> Amarnath, are u indian .. Anyway i am not expecting to recover my data hehe but wish that does not happen in final release
[09:33] <Amaranth> nope
[09:33] <Amaranth> and your problem sounds like a crazy one-off failure
[09:33] <brady_k> tanner_: oh, no, it's not locationally biased... i already checked
[09:34] <tanner_> brady_k: then there really appears to be nothing wrong, try auto tuning your monitor?
[09:34] <ripps> Tyczek: What's the model of your card?
[09:34] <Amaranth> so the real world max speed for my 802.11g network seems to be 2.4M/s
[09:34] <Amaranth> good to know
[09:34] <Amaranth> 2.4MB/s, i mean
[09:35] <Tyczek> ripps, ati mobility hd 2600... Xv was working on 8.3 in gutsy...
[09:35] <Tyczek> i was testing 8.3 in hardy... and xv still not working ;)
[09:35] <Tyczek> maybe i should reinstal now, since xv extension is enable
[09:36] <ripps> Tycek: I think that your card might be too new.
[09:36] <ripps> How did you install fglrx?
[09:37] <tanner_> Amaranth: you should be able to achive nearly 3MBps with UDP
[09:37] <Tyczek> ripps, the same like in gutsy... i run sh ati installer
[09:37] <Amaranth> this is scp
[09:37] <ripps> Hmmm... that probably should have worked, my last suggestion is to install the fglrx driver using EnvyNG.
[09:38] <Tyczek> ripps, i'll reinstall, maybe now will be working... '
[09:38] <Tyczek> ;]
[09:38] <Tyczek> brb
[09:38] <tanner_> still. 54 megabits at half duplex is nearly 3MBps
[09:39] <tanath> i can't seem to get direct rendering
[09:40] <ripps> tanath: what's your card?
[09:40] <orvokki> Also which driver are you using?
[09:40] <tanath> i tried the Hardware Driver utility. i tried the displayconfig-gtk. and i tried editing xorg.conf by hand
[09:40] <tanath> ripps, ati radeon 9200 pro se
[09:41] <tanath> trying to use the opensource one, which i used before upgrading since the fglrx one refuses to work
[09:41] <tanath> can't get more than 800*600 res with fglrx
[09:42] <crdlb> no, with fglrx, BulletProofX puts you on VESA :)
[09:42] <crdlb> because fglrx supports 9500 and up
[09:42] <crdlb> did you uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx though?
[09:42] <crdlb> because it interferes with the radeon driver
[09:43] <tanath> hm
[09:43] <Fritzel> I've got the question posed in ##c++ as well and there's been no reply yet but does anyone know how I can edit this to work correctly? http://rafb.net/p/NQ1j1v90.html
[09:43] <tanath> gah, it wants to remove 47 other things too
[09:44] <crdlb> 47?
[09:44] <crdlb> did you use aptitude? :P
[09:44] <tanath> hm, nevermind. it's useless stuff i can remove :)
[09:44] <tanath> yep
[09:44] <crdlb> aptitude is a bit too smart
[09:44] <tanath> i like it
[09:44] <Amaranth> Fritzel: you can't do that
[09:45] <Fritzel> there has to be a way somehow
[09:45] <crdlb> you want to print a string?
[09:45] <tanath> i use it by default, or sometimes synaptic
[09:45] <Fritzel> I want to print a string, and the string's contents yes
[09:46] <crdlb> yeah, it doesn't work like that
[09:46] <tanner_> printf("DEBUG [WAT] (%s) [%s]\n", watch, watch); (assuming watch was a char array :D
[09:46] <Fritzel> that would give the same results though wouldn't it?
[09:46] <tanath> crdlb, woot! that did it
[09:47] <tanath> crdlb, thanks a lot
[09:47] <crdlb> np :)
[09:47] <tanner_> Fritzel: what specifically do you want that debug message to print?
[09:47] <Fritzel> I want it to accept a variable name, print the variable name and then evaluate the variable and return it's contents, basically a watch that works at runtime
[09:48] <tanner_> oh
[09:48] <Fritzel> there has to be some way to do it
[09:48] <tanner_> i would use a struct
[09:49] <Fritzel> how do you mean
[09:50] <tanner_> build a struct that has two arguments, variable name, ptr to variable, and pass that to your debug
[09:50] <Fritzel> can the variable name be passed in like that?
[09:51] <Fritzel> the intention here is not to have it static
[09:51] <tanner_> no, youll have to manually assign it
[09:51] <Fritzel> :/ that won't work either then
[09:51] <bullgard4> Where can I find a classification of the 109 terminal fonts that Hardy offers?
[09:52] <tanner_> though there may be a way to reference variable names by address in memory; dunno though, C++ is a crazy language. best bet is to ask in ##C++
[09:53] <crdlb> I really doubt there's a portable way
[09:53] <tanath> gah...
[09:53] <tanath> now that i have my driver sorted and have direct rendering, my gnome session hangs at login
[09:53] <Fritzel> yeah they said the same thing and the first thing they said was read a book, which I don't have a problem doing but it was an extremely quick answer if you know what I mean, it sounded like the question was beneath the people I was asking, which is why I asked again here, even if a bit off topic, and I appologize for that
[09:53] <tanner_> hmm, actually, unless there is some crazy c++ voodoo, you cannot get the "variable name" from the passed parameter. remember, when you give something to a function, its just a pointer in memory
[09:54] <tanath> gnome-do runs, but that's it. it has enabled me to run xchat :P
[09:54] <Fritzel> well I can get the variable name easy, its evaluating the variable that I don't know how to do
[09:55] <tanner_> O.o
[09:55] <crdlb> err,
[09:55] <Fritzel> as an example the current result I get for what I posted above is DEBUG [WAT]: (strVariableToWatch) [strVariableToWatch]
[09:55] <tanath> anyone know what i can do to get it working?
[09:55] <Fritzel> I just need to find a way to evaluate strVariableToWatch
[09:56] <tanner_> Fritzel: crazy C++ O.o, anyway, try *watch, or &watch
[09:56] <tanner_> (for the second argument)
[09:56] <crdlb> Fritzel: oh, a string of the variable name?
[09:56] <crdlb> that's definitely not possible (portably) without a hash table or something
[09:56] <kahrytan> Hello
[09:56] <Fritzel> yes I am getting DEBUG [WAT]: (strVariableToWatch) [strVariableToWatch] back and I want to get DEBUG [WAT]: (strVariableToWatch) [the value of strVariableToWatch]
[09:57] <kahrytan> !ping
[09:57] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[09:57] <Tyczek> ripps, texturedvideo on solved it
[09:57] <Tyczek> :)
[09:57] <tanner_> Fritzel: try *watch on your second watch
[09:57] <tanath> :-/
[09:57] <ripps> Okay
[09:57] <crdlb> tanath: did you do anything crazy like uninstall compiz?
[09:57] <tanath> crdlb, no
[09:57] <Tyczek> ripps, thank you very much
[09:57] <crdlb> tanath: does the Failsafe Gnome session work?
[09:57] <ripps> no prob
[09:58] <tanath> crdlb, i had to uninstall the fglrx driver
[09:58] <Fritzel> tanner_, didn't work, no match for 'operator*' in '*watch'
[09:58] <tanath> crdlb, forgot about that
[09:58] <kahrytan> Whats wrong with uninstalling compiz?
[09:58] <Fritzel> &watch however works and returns umm one sec
[09:59] <ripps> tanath: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:59] <Fritzel> DEBUG [WAT]: (strUsername) [0x7fff022efae0]
[09:59] <tanner_> well thats good
[10:00] <tanner_> thats the address of strUsername in memory
[10:00] <crdlb> tanner_: no, it's the address of the string "strUsername" I think :)
[10:00] <Fritzel> crdlb, how can I find that out for certain?
[10:01] <crdlb> ##c++ really would be better
[10:01] <tanner_> crdlb: could be, C++ is a bad language :)
[10:01] <crdlb> I only know C (poorly)
[10:01] <Fritzel> -nod- well both of your knowledge has been useful none the less, I've unfortunatly always been an idiot when it comes to working with pointers
[10:01] <Fritzel> I never could grasp it
[10:01] <tanath> argh, i seem unable to turn on compiz now
[10:02] <Fritzel> I appreciate the help ^^
[10:02] <ripps> tanath: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:02] <crdlb> Fritzel: you're trying to take a string such as "foo" and use it to get the value of the variable foo?
[10:02] <tanath> crdlb, failsafe worked though.
[10:02] <Fritzel> crdlb, exactly
[10:02] <tanner_> try watch.c_str() for the hell of it
[10:02] <crdlb> tanath: compiz will refuse to start in failsafe mode
[10:02] <tanath> crdlb, oh...
[10:02] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[10:02] <crdlb> well, the compiz-manager wrapper script anyway
[10:03] <tanath> crdlb, so how to i fix things then?
[10:03] <zniavre> i loose ubuntu-desktop is it the normal way ?
[10:03] <crdlb> fix your gnome session somehow? :)
[10:03] <tanath> crdlb, yeah
[10:03] <Fritzel> DEBUG [WAT]: (strUsername) [strUsername] was returned with watch.c_str()
[10:04] <ripps> zniavre: I don't understand. Can you please explain?
[10:04] <zniavre> the update this morning delete ubuntu-desktop
[10:04] <zniavre> deleted*
[10:04] <ripps> really?
[10:04] <tanner_> Fritzel: #C++ is your best bet for sure. also, learn a better language, like C ;]
[10:04] <zniavre> yep
[10:05] <tanath> crdlb, hm, why won't compiz run in this session?
[10:05] <ripps> The update-manager-core is behind in the repository, you need to wait until they fix it.
[10:05] <tanath> crdlb, running it from terminal just says " aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity"
[10:05] <zniavre> ok   :o)
[10:05] <zniavre> thank you
[10:05] <crdlb> tanath: because it shouldn't :)
[10:05] <tanath> crdlb, why shouldn't it?
[10:06] <crdlb> Fritzel: google for "C string from variable name" (sans quotes)
[10:06] <zniavre> yesterday i tried kde4 i believed it was this in causes
[10:06] <Fritzel> tanner_, -nod- well as I said the answers I got didn't make the question sound too welcome, I'll just see if I can track down someone trying to do the same thing
[10:06] <tanath> crdlb, i can understand it not running by default, but if you explicitly run it, i don't see why it should refuse
[10:06] <crdlb> tanath: because that's the architecture ubuntu chose
[10:06] <crdlb> they simply run /usr/bin/compiz as the window manager
[10:06] <crdlb> and it will either start compiz or abort and run metacity
[10:06] <ripdisk> so, i just updated to hardy and when i get into gnome everything is blank
[10:06] <ripdisk> but the failsafe will work
[10:07] <crdlb> heh
[10:07] <yacc> Any idea why firefox won't restart after the last update?
[10:07] <ripdisk> does the failsafe limit me or something?
[10:07] <crdlb> ripdisk: only in that you can't use compiz ;)
[10:07] <ripdisk> or is it doing this just because of my color settings and stuff
[10:07] <the_alamo> RAOF, thanks for the help and suggestions for getting my graphics running  (like 3 hours ago). sorry i didn't get back to you earlier
[10:07] <ripdisk> well i don't use compiz anyway
[10:07] <ripdisk> i don't like it
[10:08] <ripdisk> but, how do i get my regular gnome to work? i don't want to be on the failsafe
[10:08] <crdlb> well, you seem to be having the same problem as tanath
[10:08] <ripdisk> ah
[10:08] <yacc> It hangs there, trying to read from some socket :(
[10:08] <tanath> indeed...
[10:09] <ripps> I wonder... did tanath and ripdisk force the update-manager-core update?
[10:09] <yacc> some unix domain socket
[10:09] <kahrytan> Y=You two should start a club...
[10:09] <ripdisk> i just used the update manager
[10:09] <yacc> ripps: just run the update manager and I think it still complained about being not able to apply that change.
[10:10] <ripdisk> yeah my desktop icons are gone too.
[10:10] <ripdisk> and i can't do the whole click the desktop and make squares thing that everyone does when they're bored
[10:10] <tanath> ripdisk, i do have that installed...
[10:10] <yacc> Hmmm, any idea how to make lsof divulge more details about an unix domain socket?
[10:10] <ripdisk> tanath, what?
[10:11] <tanath> ripdisk, oops, wrong nick. sorry
[10:11] <tanath> ripps, , i do have that installed...
[10:11] <ripdisk> it's all good.
[10:11] <tanath> just removed it. brb
[10:11] <ripdisk> so, nobody really knows why it did this?
[10:11] <ripdisk> or what
[10:12] <tanath> might be that update apparently
[10:12] <tanath> just removed it. will try again. brb
[10:12] <ripdisk> i didn't update yet
[10:13] <ripdisk> this is my first boot since i installed hardy
[10:13] <DistroJockey> ripdisk: I'd try running      sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg      (after backing up /etc/X11/xorg.conf first ofcourse)
[10:13] <tanath> ripdisk, ok, try that
[10:13] <tanath> worked for me
[10:13] <ripdisk> i didn't download that update though
[10:13] <ripps> oop, just checked update-manager, apparently it isn't force a me to uninstall ubuntu-desktop anymore.
[10:14] <tanath> ripdisk, remove update-manager-core
[10:14] <ripdisk> how
[10:14] <tanath> ripdisk, in synaptic or somethign
[10:14] <tanath> ripdisk, there's a few ways. synaptic is prolly easiest
[10:14] <ripdisk> sudo apt-get remove update-manager-core
[10:14] <ripdisk> right?
[10:14] <mvo> update-manager and updat-emanager-core should be in sync again
[10:14] <tanath> ripdisk, that works
[10:14] <mvo> (at least on archive.ubuntu.com)
[10:15] <DistroJockey> all in sync here too on my ISP's mirror
[10:15] <ripdisk> dpkg - warning: while removing update-manager-core, directory `/var/log/dist-upgrade' not empty so not removed.
[10:15] <ripdisk> dpkg - warning: while removing update-manager-core, directory `/var/lib/update-manager' not empty so not removed.
[10:15] <ripdisk> shit i forgot about pastebin sorry guys
[10:16] <ripdisk> crap8
[10:16] <ripdisk> crap*
[10:16] <ripdisk> wtf
[10:16] <ripdisk> it's trying to remove ubuntu desktop
[10:17] <ripdisk> tanath did it say that to you?
[10:17] <DistroJockey> ripdisk: do another    sudo apt-get update
[10:18] <ripps> ripdisk: do sudo apt-get update, then do sudo apt-get upgrade. That should probably fix it.
[10:18] <ripdisk> and then uninstall the update manager core?
[10:19] <ripps> ripdisk: no, I think the newest release in the repository should take care of things
[10:19] <ripdisk> ok let me try now
[10:19] <ripdisk> brb
[10:21] <ripdisk> nope
[10:21] <ripdisk> when i select ''gnome'' as my session from gdm it just takes me to a blank light brown screen
[10:22] <ripps> ripdisk: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:22] <ripdisk> in here?
[10:22] <ripps> can you get a browser open?
[10:23] <ripdisk> yeah i'll use pastebin i was being a smartass
[10:23] <ripps> rember to use a :) if your being sarcastic
[10:24] <ripdisk> but emoticons scare me
[10:25] <ripdisk> they just stay on my buffer window and stare at me
[10:25] <ripdisk> ripps: http://pastebin.com/m112818ec
[10:27] <quentusrex_> How can I find out if my kernel is the 64-bit, or the 32 bit, if I know that it's the smp kernel because of the -generic flag
[10:29] <ripdisk> ripps: anything of interest?
[10:30] <ripps> ripdisk: it looks like your fglrx is having trouble. Try using EnvyNG to install fglrx. If that doesn't work, try switching to radeon.
[10:30] <ripdisk> oh, i already used envy earlier to install it
[10:30] <ripdisk> before the upgrade to hardy
[10:30] <ripps> Use EnvyNG, older one's don't work in Hardy
[10:31] <ripps> Envy is meant for Gutsy and below
[10:31] <ripdisk> i see
[10:31] <ripdisk> so just apt get it?
[10:31] <ripps> I think so
[10:32] <ripdisk> nope
[10:32] <ripps> ripdisk: http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[10:37] <ripdisk> ripps
[10:37] <ripdisk> i can't even download it
[10:37] <ripdisk> all of the stuff in my package manager says gutsy gibbon still
[10:38] <ripps> ripdisk: make sure that all sources in your sources.list are for hardy repositories only?
[10:38] <ripdisk> ok gimme a second
[10:40] <Kirrus> hi.. does anyone know why my hardy box is suddenly coming up with "/etc/init.d/rcS" not found and "/etc/init.d/rc" not found during boot up would happen (its making my machine un-bootable)
[10:41] <Kirrus> I've got a recovery shell on the root partition using the alt-install disc, and ls is saying "cannot access rc: Input/output error"
[10:41] <ripdisk> ok here we go.. ripps, it's installing the driver
[10:41] <ripdisk> this should work though?
[10:41] <ripps> hopefully
[10:42] <ripps> you might want to do a aticonfig --intial
[10:43] <ripdisk> i didn't have to do that before and it worked
[10:43] <ripdisk> but, i'll do it anyway
[10:43] <ripdisk> wtf
[10:44] <ripps> what?
[10:44] <ripdisk> it randomly played that ubuntu sound
[10:44] <ripdisk> the bongos and stuff
[10:44] <ripdisk> in the middle of the driver's installation
[10:44] <ripdisk> ok, brb reboot
[10:46] <kahrytan> rippdisk having allot of issues on upgrade?
[10:46] <ripps> yeah, a few.
[10:47] <ripps> He can't seem to get Gnome to work, failsafe works though
[10:47] <kahrytan> They need to make that priority on next release and find a way to put an end to upgrade problems.
[10:47] <ripdisk> that's really odd, ripps
[10:47] <ripps> yeah?
[10:48] <savvas> hm.. is it possible to create an iso of an audio cd?
[10:48] <ripdisk> i tried selecting ''gnome'' in the gdm, and it did the same thing, but this time when i used the failsafe, my desktop showed up and everything
[10:48] <kahrytan> Use Brasero.
[10:48] <kahrytan> savvas->  use Brasero then
[10:48] <elmargol> If someone wants to test the new release candidate of miro I did some packaging work. Whould love to get feedback/patches suggestions http://elmargol.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/miro-123rc2-adds-support-for-high-quality-youtube-downloads/
[10:49] <savvas> kahrytan: doesn't show an option for .iso, just .toc and .cue and .raw :)
[10:49] <ripdisk> it's really weird
[10:49] <savvas> and it does that for audio cds only, data cds are ok
[10:49] <kahrytan> New Project>Copy Disc>  Under second option, Image
[10:49] <ripdisk> like, everything is back to normal now when i'm in failsafe
[10:49] <ripdisk> but regular gnome just doesn't work
[10:49] <savvas> kahrytan: i tell you, there's no .iso under image type :)
[10:50] <kahrytan> savvas->  get that? ISo is an option for me
[10:50] <ripps> ripdisk: I don't know what to tell you. I'm not really sure what's going on.
[10:50] <savvas> kahrytan: put in an audio cd, not a data cd
[10:50] <ripdisk> hmm
[10:50] <bullgard4> Why renders GNOME terminal fonts differently in its normal pane from in its preview?
[10:50] <ripdisk> how can i even tell if the upgrade to hardy even worked
[10:51] <kahrytan> savvas->  you're right. try k3b?
[10:51] <negge^> is it normal that there's 20-40 updates every second day?
[10:51] <savvas> kahrytan: i'll file a bug :P
[10:51] <savvas> but i'll try k3b, thanks
[10:52] <kahrytan> savvas->  I think that would be feature request?
[10:52] <topyli> ripdisk: if you run the dist-upgrade and the machine boots, you're home :)
[10:52] <kahrytan> savvas->  Might be intended to not do iso for audio cds
[10:52] <ripdisk> well ripps was helping me, i'm having something odd happening and we can't figure it out, topyli
[10:52] <savvas> hmm ok
[10:52] <ripps> he upgraded and can't seem to get Gnome to start up normally
[10:53] <topyli> ripdisk: alright
[10:53] <ripdisk> see, when i use ''gnome'' from the gdm, nothing works and it just gives me a blank screen
[10:53] <ripdisk> but when i use failsafe, everything works
[10:53]  * kahrytan high fives topyli 
[10:53] <topyli> ripdisk: so what do you have in ~/.xsession-errors?
[10:53] <ripdisk> gimme a sec
[10:53] <topyli> since you're obviously experiencing some :)
[10:54] <ripdisk> topyli, pastebin?
[10:55] <kahrytan> savvas->  may be it is a bug
[10:55] <ripdisk> topyli: http://pastebin.com/m60eb417b
[10:57] <topyli> hrm not sure what that might be
[10:58] <ripdisk> lawl
[10:58] <jaffarkelshac> How do i use a webcam in ubuntu
[10:58] <topyli> the sharing stuff shouldn't be serious
[10:58] <ripps> yeah, I can't figure it out either
[10:58] <ripdisk> maybe i should use metacity instead of compiz
[10:58] <ripps> oh, definately
[10:58] <ripdisk> hmm
[10:58] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  depends on the make and model...
[10:59] <ripdisk> i forgot how to do that
[10:59] <ripdisk> let's see here..
[10:59] <topyli> compiz doesn't like something but metacity should take over automatically
[10:59] <ripps> that's what I thought
[10:59] <jaffarkelshac> i probably should have bought something by logitech, this is a generic one £3 i had for windows. kahrytan
[10:59] <kahrytan> !webcam > jaffarkelshac
[11:00] <topyli> could try deleting .ICEauthority and .xauthority files from home and /tmp (the ones you own)
[11:00] <the_alamo> is hardy running firefox 3b4 or 3b5?
[11:00] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  read the msg from ubotu. It shows supported cams
[11:00] <ripps> the_alamo: 3b5
[11:01] <the_alamo> for some reason firefox didn't upgrade when i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04.
[11:01] <jaffarkelshac> i will take a look at it kahrytan
[11:01] <topyli> ripdisk: you also have a session dbus running
[11:01] <ripdisk> what's that mean
[11:01] <topyli> not good when you don't even have a session
[11:01] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  if supported, it should show up under video4linux.
[11:01] <ripdisk> i just changed to metacity in the conf editor
[11:01] <ripdisk> so, let me reboot and see what happens
[11:02] <topyli> crashed sessions might leave session buses running
[11:02] <topyli> yes i'd reboot, easier than cleaning up
[11:02] <ripdisk> ok, brb
[11:02] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  You can use videolan to test it. It can display video from v4l.
[11:02] <the_alamo> is synaptic suppose to use policykit or does it still use gksudo?
[11:03] <jaffarkelshac> vlc? kahrytan
[11:03] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  yeah
[11:03] <topyli> the_alamo: gksudo still
[11:04] <the_alamo> okay. good.
[11:04] <the_alamo> well, i would prefer policykit but it is nice that my upgrade went okay for that.
[11:04] <jaffarkelshac> the capture device option? well i dont think my webcam is recognised at all kahrytan
[11:05] <ripdisk> it worked!
[11:05] <ripdisk> woot
[11:05] <topyli> ripdisk: working session?
[11:05] <ripdisk> i'm pretty sure
[11:05] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  i got old logitech that isnt support either
[11:06] <ripdisk> so, does the browser based flash install work yet?
[11:06] <ripdisk> or do i have to do it manually still
[11:06] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone have issues with the new 60 updates
[11:06] <ripps> ripdisk: in the future, have compiz start using sessian-manager, that way metacity will start first.
[11:06] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  new install?
[11:06] <topyli> ripdisk:  flashplugin-nonfree has been fixed
[11:06] <topyli> for values of "fixed"
[11:07] <ripdisk> ya
[11:07] <ripdisk> yay*
[11:07] <ripdisk> ripps: i don't want compiz.
[11:07] <ripdisk> at all.
[11:07] <ripps> neither do I
[11:07] <ripdisk> it's bulky and i always have problems with it
[11:07] <ripdisk> ''but my desktop is a cube!"
[11:07] <ripdisk> i don't care
[11:07] <jaffarkelshac> no, i woke up today and there is 60 new updates but i am getting that partial upgate thing, which previous when i partially upgraded messed up a few things kahrytan
[11:08] <ripps> I just managed to get mine working (even thought I don't really use it) there was a problem with the /usr/bin/compiz script.
[11:08] <topyli> ripdisk: you can enable metacity compositing in hardy though, so you can run apps that need it, and have nice shadows and slight animations
[11:08] <ripdisk> i see
[11:08] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  darn... I got 48 with main update
[11:09] <ripdisk> firefox just crashed.
[11:09] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  you must use flash and pulse audio
[11:09] <jaffarkelshac> i use 2 browser these days, ephinay for everything flash and firefox for the rest. until they fix it
[11:09] <jaffarkelshac> epiphany*
[11:10] <kahrytan> jaffarkelshac->  you must use flash block in firefox
[11:10] <jaffarkelshac> to block flash?
[11:10] <kahrytan> yeah
[11:10] <jaffarkelshac> i want to watch flash videos on the net
[11:10] <kahrytan> until flash is fixed.
[11:11] <topyli> removing libflashsupport helps with the latest flashplugin-nonfree updates
[11:11] <ripdisk> flash is working for me
[11:11] <ripps> flash + pulseaudio = slow
[11:11] <ripdisk> i don't know how
[11:11] <ripdisk> and i don't know why
[11:11] <ripdisk> but it's working
[11:11] <kahrytan> pulseaudio .. a nightmare.
[11:12] <topyli> oh flash works all right, it just used crash firefox from time to time
[11:12] <ripps> As a replacement to ESD, yeah sure, but not for the entire sound system
[11:12] <ripdisk> i see.
[11:12] <ripdisk> let's see if amarok works.
[11:12] <ripdisk> oh, cool
[11:12] <kahrytan> topyli->  did you cut your hair yet?
[11:12] <topyli> hell no
[11:12] <ethana2> oooh
[11:13] <ethana2> how do I modify gnome window title bars?
[11:13] <topyli> longer than ever :)
[11:13] <kahrytan> been to long since ive asked
[11:13] <jaffarkelshac> i prefer banshee for music
[11:13] <ethana2> I want to remove them completely
[11:13] <ripdisk> banshee?
[11:13] <jaffarkelshac> yeah
[11:13] <ripdisk> what's that like
[11:13] <kahrytan> ethana2->  then dont load metacity/emerald.
[11:13] <ripdisk> compare it to something
[11:13] <ethana2> kahrytan: how do I stop Ubuntu from doing that?
[11:14] <ethana2> kahrytan: no 3d acceleration on this particular rig
[11:14] <ethana2> I still want to be able to resize windows
[11:14] <ethana2> Just a regular window border around the top like the other three sides of every window
[11:14] <ethana2> my sister is pulling my modem!
[11:14] <ethana2> aaahh!
[11:14] <ethana2> ethana2@gmail.com
[11:14] <ripdisk> tackle her
[11:14] <jaffarkelshac> compared to rhythmbox its a simple interface, the mini mode has albulm art and generally straight forward ripdisk
[11:15] <ripdisk> sounds cool
[11:15] <ripdisk> i'll make sure to check it out
[11:15] <ripdisk> amarok works pretty good for me
[11:15] <whitehawk> I hate rhythmboxes volume control
[11:15] <whitehawk> gr
[11:15] <ripps> I've tried all the music applications. I prefer Amarok, just becuase it works consistantly and fast.
[11:15] <ripdisk> indeed
[11:15] <ripdisk> i have found the same thing
[11:16] <kahrytan> banshee/rhytham box dont use album art right
[11:16] <orvokki> How about Quod Libet?
[11:16] <kahrytan> It fetches the wrong one, always
[11:16] <ripdisk> lol
[11:16] <whitehawk> kahrytan, what do you mean by right?
[11:16] <kahrytan> okay, half the time, it doesnt
[11:16] <ripdisk> that would piss me off
[11:16] <ripps> Wish they'd port it natively over to Gnome so we didn't have to load all the kde libs
[11:16] <kahrytan> It fetches the wrong album art for the cd
[11:16] <rpedro> ripps: try gmusicbrowser
[11:16] <ripdisk> what, amarok?
[11:16] <ripdisk> yeah i don't like all the kde crap
[11:16] <jaffarkelshac> one feature i like about banshee is artist recommedation
[11:17] <orvokki> ripdisk: Imo a Qt port would be sufficient. Qt libs are fine by me, KDE libs are not.
[11:17] <rpedro> much better than amarok
[11:17] <kahrytan> Amarok should be built for gtk and qt?
[11:17] <ripps> agreed
[11:17] <ripdisk> well the kde libs are kind of like KNOWN for not working
[11:17] <ripdisk> ahhh.. i remember the days of slackware and xmms
[11:18] <ripdisk> good times
[11:18] <kahrytan> this is allot of updates today .. 48 and 50= mb
[11:18] <ripdisk> oh, by the way
[11:18] <ripdisk> how do i get my updates working again
[11:18] <ripdisk> now that i'm in hardy
[11:18] <orvokki> ripdisk: You do remember why there is no more Xmms, right? :)
[11:18] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  You gutsy to try hardy so soon.
[11:18] <ripdisk> lol
[11:18] <ripdisk> no i don't
[11:18] <kahrytan> XMM is out of date
[11:18] <kahrytan> Debian Sid didnt have it
[11:19] <ripdisk> i love xmms :(
[11:19] <ripdisk> it always worked for me
[11:19] <kahrytan> all those XMMs lovers out there --- meet your new girlfriend. Audacious.
[11:19] <ripdisk> pfft
[11:19] <ripdisk> i know the guy who made that
[11:19] <hads> "kde libs are kind of like KNOWN for not working" hah
[11:19] <ripps> rpedro: just installed gmusicbrowser, interface is kinda confusing.
[11:19] <ripdisk> my friend nenolod made audacious
[11:19] <kahrytan> it's better then xmms, imho
[11:20] <ripdisk> well, yeah
[11:20] <kahrytan> if you know them, then use it
[11:20] <ripdisk> somone told me that the people who make amarok are the same people that made xmms
[11:20] <ripdisk> i don't know about all that though
[11:20] <kahrytan> i use audacious for playing single mp3s
[11:21] <ripdisk> but the internet is for porn
[11:21] <kahrytan> and just use media player for collection
[11:21] <DarkMageZ> the guys who wrote xmms moved on to write winamp. some of the staff would have moved around to various places, but i seriously doubt the whole team moved to amarok.
[11:21] <kahrytan> Internet is for free mp3s of your fav albums
[11:21] <rpedro> ripps: you can configure it, it has a handful of different ones, I use the Songtree layout
[11:21] <ripps> audacious is a nice little app, but the lack of music library and advanced playlist tools make it less useful than amarok
[11:22] <kahrytan> Banshee lacks one thing Rhythm box has.
[11:22] <kahrytan> Banshee has music list.
[11:22] <kahrytan> oops Rhythem box has the music categories.
[11:22] <orvokki> ripdisk: Some of them might be. Part of Xmms development team went into developing Xmms2.
[11:23]  * kahrytan rebotting
[11:23]  * kahrytan rebooting
[11:23] <ripdisk> i see, i see
[11:23] <orvokki> Afaik Xmms development team mostly split and wondered to different directions.
[11:24] <ripdisk> i hope hardy doesn't break :/
[11:24] <ripps> Audacious and BMP are they spirtual succesors to xmms
[11:24] <ripdisk> yeah
[11:24] <ripdisk> nenolod made those
[11:24] <ripdisk> you guys know him?
[11:24] <Lamego> hello, my firefox fonts are horrible compared to gutsy, where should I start looking at ?
[11:24] <ripdisk> hey ripps
[11:25] <ripps> yeah?
[11:25] <ripdisk> you told me to uninstall the update manager earlier
[11:25] <ripdisk> so how do i get updates now
[11:25] <Raspberry> Thank You to whomever has been working on the flash plugin for firefox -- the animations look and work great... no flickering -- choppiness, CPU max outs or Gray Rectangles :)  I forgot that this is why people use FLASH on the web :)
[11:25] <ripps> that was with a problem that's been fixed now. Just install update-manager and update-manager core
[11:25] <ripdisk> 'aight.
[11:26] <Raspberry> so are they going to fix the big MESA bug prior to launch
[11:26] <Raspberry> I think that's a deal breaker for those of us with Intel or ATI Video cards :)
[11:26] <ripps> make sure you do apt-get update first
[11:26]  * kahrytan returns from the land of the dead.
[11:27] <kahrytan> I dont get the pulseaudio + flash bug.
[11:27] <ripps> I never had any problems with my ATI card. I used EnvyNG the first chance I got
[11:28] <Raspberry> is EnvyNG supported in Ubuntu?
[11:28] <kahrytan> !envy
[11:28] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[11:28] <ripps> It was designed specifaclly for ubuntu
[11:28] <savvas> !info envyng
[11:28] <ripdisk> how do i know if these updates are the right ones
[11:28] <ubotu> Package envyng does not exist in hardy
[11:28] <ripdisk> i don't want to install like, gutsy updates
[11:29] <ripdisk> and mess it up
[11:29] <ripps> it's called envyng-gtk
[11:29] <savvas> !info envyng-gtk
[11:29] <savvas> :P
[11:29] <ubotu> envyng-gtk (source: envyng-gtk): install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 324 kB
[11:29] <ripps> but make sure to unistall all your envy legacy drivers and setup before using it
[11:29] <bazhang> and the kde version?
[11:30] <ripps> envyng-qt i believe
[11:30] <bazhang> !info envyng-qt
[11:30] <ubotu> envyng-qt (source: envyng-qt): install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 62 kB, installed size 336 kB
[11:30] <bazhang> thanks!
[11:30] <kahrytan> ripps->  http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Screenshot.png
[11:31] <kahrytan> ^ Hardy Screenshot for anyone else
[11:31] <Raspberry> why not compress it as a png
[11:31] <Raspberry> it's 1.6M
[11:31] <kahrytan> it is png
[11:31] <ripdisk> i'll take one of mine
[11:31] <ripdisk> i bet mine's prettier
[11:31] <savvas> screenshotfight!
[11:32] <kahrytan> i bet my splash/gdm is prettier
[11:33] <kahrytan> I used the Human Looks theme in that screenshot.
[11:34] <kahrytan> ripps->  my usplash ->http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Red+Hardy+Usplash?content=78762
[11:35] <ripdisk> mine's coming
[11:35] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  and wallpaper ->http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Hardy-Simple+Colors?content=78123
[11:35] <kahrytan> It matches Hardy but different colors, green, blue, orange, red. GDM,Usplash, and Wallpaper
[11:36] <kahrytan> ripdisk-> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/78190-1.jpg my gdm
[11:37] <ripdisk> http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ripdisk/Screenshot-1.png
[11:37] <ripdisk> there's a ss
[11:37] <kahrytan> photobucket user too?
[11:37] <ripps> My desktop is just the way I like it. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z303/ripps818/Screenshot.png
[11:37] <ripdisk> kahrytan my web server box is down
[11:37] <kahrytan> Ripps is better
[11:38] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  your gtk/metacity themes dont match
[11:38] <ripdisk> man, i'm a stoner..
[11:38] <ripdisk> my socks don't even match
[11:38]  * kahrytan feels sorry for ripdisk 
[11:39] <ripdisk> why?
[11:39] <kahrytan> ripps->  i like your metacity
[11:39] <ripdisk> i can't find a macos style one that's red, ok?
[11:40] <ripps> SlicknesS, best theme EVAR!
[11:40] <ripdisk> macOS8
[11:40] <ripdisk> macos*
[11:40] <VSpike> Strange output from update-manager ..  http://pastebin.com/d37853519
[11:40] <kahrytan> dogh
[11:40] <kahrytan> I keep putting off Compiz bug
[11:40] <kahrytan> Compiz + Workspace
[11:40] <ripps> Also, NoiaWarm icon set that I had to manually fix to work with the new version of Gnome
[11:41] <kahrytan> ripps, ripdisk, Note the Workspace switcher. (http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot/Screenshot.png)
[11:42] <kahrytan> There is only 4 workspaces. But there is 8 squares.
[11:42] <ripdisk> i don't use more than one workspace
[11:42] <ripdisk> if i need more i plug in my second monitor
[11:42] <savvas> http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotkn0.png
[11:42] <ripps> 4 is plenty for me, thankyou
[11:42] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  I only have four but workspaces shows up squares
[11:42] <kahrytan> 8 squares
[11:43] <kahrytan> savvas->  you make that wallpaper from svg?
[11:43] <ripdisk> what's that for
[11:44] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  what?
[11:44] <savvas> kahrytan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti
[11:44] <ripdisk> the 8 squares thing
[11:44] <kahrytan> savvas->  oh didnt see that
[11:46] <kahrytan> ripdisk->  compiz bug?
[11:46] <ripps> It means you have 8 workspaces and 2 rows.
[11:46] <ripdisk> ohhhh
[11:46] <ripdisk> sorry
[11:46] <ripdisk> i guess i should pay attention to the whole convo
[11:46] <kahrytan> ripps-> I have 4 work spaces, and 2 rows.
[11:47] <ripps> then set it to 1 row
[11:47] <VSpike> Aptitude wants to update update-manager-core but can't because it breaks update-manager ... what's going on there?
[11:47] <kahrytan> ripps->  it's a bug
[11:48] <ripps> hold on a sec
[11:48] <kahrytan> ripps->  I dont want 1 row, with 4 spaces side by side. i want 2 rows with two spaces side by side and stacked.
[11:49] <kahrytan> Workspace w/o Compiz works the way it should. Compiz messes with it
[11:50] <ripps> kahrytan: From CompizConifg (CCSM) goto General Options->Desktop Size and set the horizontal and vertical virtual spaces. Make sure number of desktops = 1
[11:51] <kahrytan> Done
[11:51] <kahrytan> been set
[11:51] <ripps> huh... don't know then
[11:52] <kahrytan> ripps->  its 4-2-1 in settings
[11:52] <kahrytan> 4 workspaces, 2 rows, 1 desktop
[11:52] <ripps> then set it 2-2-1
[11:53] <kahrytan> thats 2 workspaces (no cube effect)
[11:53] <m1r> shouldnt it be 4-1-1 ?
[11:53] <crdlb> kahrytan: no, it's 4
[11:53] <crdlb> but cube can only use one row
[11:53] <ripps> Your using CCSM, right?
[11:53] <kahrytan> 4-2-1 is the ccsm setting
[11:53] <crdlb> that's 8 viewports
[11:54] <ripps> your defining virtual space DIMENSIONS
[11:54] <ripps> 2*2=4
[11:54] <kahrytan> Thatd 4 workspaces
[11:54] <m1r> try 4-1-1 kahrytan
[11:54] <kahrytan> m1r->  then its larger workspace switcher
[11:55] <m1r> but u get 4 sides ?
[11:55] <kahrytan> 1 row, 4 spaces.
[11:55] <m1r> yes
[11:55] <kahrytan> crdlb->  It shows up as 8 on switcher but only 4 work.
[11:56] <crdlb> kahrytan: cube can only use one row
[11:56] <crdlb> wall can use all 8
[11:56] <neo1ite> hi, can someone help me with a problem i have upgrading from 6.06 to 8.04
[11:56] <kahrytan> crdlb->  So it's an unintended bug
[11:56] <vistakiller> i have read in different forum many problems with the gpu driver
[11:57] <crdlb> kahrytan: where is there a bug?
[11:57] <ripps> neolite: what's the problem?
[11:57] <neo1ite> Could not calculate the upgrade
[11:57] <neo1ite> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[11:57] <neo1ite> This can be caused by:
[11:57] <neo1ite> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[11:57] <neo1ite> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[11:57] <neo1ite> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[11:57] <vistakiller> it seems that in many gpu the system didnt see the gpu card
[11:57] <kahrytan> crdlb->  There is 8 squares in workspaces when there should be only 4.
[11:57] <vistakiller> and canot install the correct driver
[11:57] <neo1ite> ive googled but can't find a definative answer
[11:57] <crdlb> kahrytan: no, there really are 8
[11:57] <crdlb> but the cube can only show one row at a time
[11:57] <kahrytan> crdlb-> 4 WORKSPACES
[11:58] <ripps> neolite: disable any third-party sources in your sources.list, then try update-manager -d
[11:58] <crdlb> there are 8 viewports when you use 4x2x1
[11:58] <neo1ite> kk rips
[11:58] <kahrytan> Compiz isnt telling Workspace switcher how to organize the workspaces.
[11:58] <crdlb> yes it is
[11:59] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Viewport isnt a workspace
[11:59] <neo1ite> ripps - only ubuntu ones are listed
[11:59] <crdlb> it says, _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS = 1
[11:59] <neo1ite> ripps, can i PM you?
[12:00] <ripps> sure
[12:00] <kahrytan> I only want 4 different desktops.
[12:00] <crdlb> and _NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY = screen_width * hsize, screen_height * vsize
[12:00] <crdlb> so use 4 for hsize, and 1 for vsize
[12:00] <kahrytan> crdlb->  remember, 5 workspaces aka desktops for window placements.
[12:00] <KiwiJoker> anyone here tried hardy server 64bit? no problems?
[12:00] <crdlb> 5?
[12:00] <kahrytan> crdlb->  but I dontwant Workspace to only show 4 of them.
[12:00] <ikonia> KiwiJoker: the bugs are logged on luanchpad
[12:00] <brady_k> son of a bitch...is anyone else having problems with Quanta+ crashing every 5 seconds?
[12:00] <ikonia> KiwiJoker: the problems you get will be down to your hardware and what you want to use the server for
[12:01] <ikonia> KiwiJoker: check the bug reports and FAQ for common bugs to see if they effect you
[12:01] <kahrytan> crdlb-> WorkSpace switcher is only supported to display the workspaces.
[12:01] <crdlb> kahrytan: the libwnck pager fully support viewports
[12:01] <spine55> top
[12:01] <kahrytan> It is a bug and needs to be fixed.
[12:02] <crdlb> when number of desktops is set to 1 and the _NET_DESKTOP_GEOMETRY is greater than the screen size, it goes into viewport mode
[12:02] <ripdisk> well, goodnight guys
[12:02] <ripdisk> and thanks for the help
[12:02] <kahrytan> crdlb-> make sense
[12:03] <kahrytan> crdlb->  why do you keep saying viewpoints. It's not the subject5
[12:03] <crdlb> compiz uses viewports
[12:03] <crdlb> they're only called workspaces in gnome to simplify translation
[12:04] <kahrytan> crdlb->  I want ONLY 4 workspaces to displayed in Workspace Switcher in TWO rows? Why is it that so hard to get?
[12:04] <crdlb> kahrytan: so use 2 x 2
[12:05] <kahrytan> crdlb->  then when i turn off compiz, it does to 2 workspaces
[12:05] <kahrytan> and i have to then reset it.
[12:06] <ripps> You can't have your cake and eat it too
[12:06] <kahrytan> Im still reporting it. compiz doesnt work well with the switcher.
[12:06] <brady_k> ok.  quanta+ crashes after upgrade, clear the files in /tmp/ for quanta
[12:07] <crdlb> you could write a pager that represented a 4x1 viewport layout as two rows of two
[12:07] <crdlb> but it would be non-compliant with the EWMH spec
[12:08] <kahrytan> huh?
[12:09] <ripps> kahrytan: Why do you ABSOLUTELY have to 4 workspaces as 2 rows? It's kinda non-standard.
[12:09] <kahrytan> ripps->  Takes up less space on panel?
[12:10] <topyli> kahrytan: the workspace switcher shows what you have. that certainly is not a bug
[12:10] <ripps> Yeah, but not that much
[12:10] <VSpike> Aptitude wants to update update-manager-core to 1:0.87.23 but can't because it breaks update-manager ... what's going on there?
[12:10] <kahrytan> topyli->  You telling me workspace gets confused between viewports and workspaces?
[12:10] <mvo> VSpike: just wait a bit, the archive is out of sync (~1-2h)
[12:10] <VSpike> mvo: thanks
[12:11] <topyli> kahrytan: the workspace switcher switches workspaces. it's not the workspaces switcher who is confused here :)
[12:11] <ripps> VSpike: trying running sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:11] <VSpike> mvo: I also got some strange output from my existing update-manager ..  http://pastebin.com/d37853519 .. any idea if it's important?
[12:12] <kahrytan> topyli->  Then why does it show 8 squares, when there is 4 worskapces. Which crdlb  suggested there is 8 viewpoints so workspace shows viewpoints.
[12:12] <mvo> VSpike: let me check
[12:12] <crdlb> kahrytan: there are 8 viewports because you set it to 8
[12:12] <crdlb> 4 times 2 is 8
[12:13] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Workspace Switcher should bother itself about showing viewports. Just the Workspaces.
[12:13] <crdlb> there are no workspaces other than the viewports
[12:13] <crdlb> you have one desktop broken into 8 viewports
[12:13] <ripps> I'm lol'ing at the back and forth between kahrytan and crdlb
[12:14] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Then why dont i have 8 workspaces then?
[12:14] <crdlb> you do
[12:14] <kahrytan> no i dont
[12:14] <crdlb> the cube just can only access one row at a time
[12:14]  * kahrytan rotates cube ..
[12:14] <kahrytan> only 4
[12:14] <topyli> i just added the workspace switcher to my panel. i have two workspaces. the switcher shows two
[12:14] <crdlb> use wall if you want to see all 8
[12:14] <ripps> You do, you just don't have the right shortcut keys setup in compiz to move vertical across virtual spaces
[12:15] <crdlb> or just go into expo (super+E)
[12:15] <newusr> hi
[12:15] <kahrytan> crdlb->  but if I set it to 2, then cube deactivates.
[12:15] <newusr> hi all
[12:15] <SoulChild> Hey all, in Firefox some pages have incorrect font, does anyone know shich package is missing in my installation ?
[12:15] <newusr> is this a help channel ?
[12:15] <crdlb> kahrytan: two horizontal viewports means that your "cube" would be a sheet of paper
[12:15] <ripps> newusr: hey
[12:15] <Pici> newusr: I wouldnt have pointed you here if it wasnt.
[12:15] <mvo> VSpike: what version of update-manager/update-manager-core do you currently have installed?
[12:15] <DeannaT2> hello
[12:15] <newusr> hey ripps
[12:15] <daniel_-> how do I disable  the Synaptics Touchpad  tapping  in Ubuntu  7.03?
[12:15] <topyli> kahrytan: if you set it to 2, the cube plugin still switches but obviously it's not a cube anymore
[12:16] <topyli> that's what i use
[12:16] <kahrytan> topyli-> and i dont want that
[12:16] <newusr> thanks Pici am just trying to show how newbie am I :)
[12:16] <topyli> kahrytan: don't do it then, if you don't want it
[12:16] <the_alamo> my firefox seems to be broken... is there some way to uninstall it and then reinstall it as if it had never existed?
[12:16] <kahrytan> topyli->  I want four sides to the cube.
[12:16] <topyli> i just added another row of workspaces, and cannot access the bottom row
[12:16] <newusr> Well i got Ubuntu 8.4 2.6.24-16-generic, i had some problems fixed all but not my wireless card i tried the forums but nothing worked for me
[12:17] <kahrytan> I want 4 cube sides, 4 workspaces. no more less
[12:17] <topyli> there's no plugin to switch me there
[12:17] <kahrytan> no more then that
[12:17] <topyli> kahrytan: so set it that way
[12:17] <daniel_-> how do I disable  the Synaptics Touchpad  tapping  in Ubuntu  7.03?
[12:17] <kahrytan> topyli->  how?
[12:17] <crdlb> kahrytan: you know how
[12:17] <kahrytan> crdlb->  obviously, i dont
[12:17] <topyli> right click on the workspace switcher. set four workspaces in one row
[12:17] <SoulChild> daniel_-: wrong romm see #ubuntu for 7.04
[12:17] <gunashekar> same here, wireless stopped working during one of the alphas
[12:18] <gunashekar> wireless still out of action
[12:18] <gunashekar> :(
[12:18] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Nope
[12:18] <newusr> here is my wireless card 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[12:18] <ripps> Wifi driver problems: have you tried ndiswrapper?
[12:18] <newusr>   
[12:18] <kahrytan> crdlb->  that just makes workspace bug worse
[12:18] <VSpike> mvo: both were 1:0.87.21.  Actually, I just got an update to them.
[12:18] <SoulChild> where do i get the fonts: Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif ???
[12:19] <kahrytan> I want 4 workspace,s 4 cube sizes, 4 squares in workspace switcher.
[12:19] <VSpike> mvo: should now be at 1:0.87.24
[12:19] <kahrytan> topyli, crdlb  help me set that
[12:19] <SoulChild> kahrytan: so set it up in omiz conf settings
[12:19]  * gunashekar hopes that 8.10 solves the wireless muddle as it promises.. hope the sound muddle too gets sorted out by then upstream if not at ubuntu
[12:19] <crdlb> kahrytan: so set horizontal to 4 and vertical to 1
[12:19] <topyli> kahrytan: if you set 2x2 workspaces (four workspaces in two rows), you naturally cannot use the cube
[12:20] <kahrytan> crdlb->  then Worskpace switch doesnt stack the 4 spaces. I want them stacked to take up less space
[12:20] <topyli> if you don't believe me, find a real cube and study it
[12:20] <mvo> VSpike: when it gives you this error, do you first get a message box or something?
[12:20] <kahrytan> topyli->  More like Viewports are getting in the way
[12:20] <crdlb> kahrytan: it can't do that, because viewports are in terms of a large rectangle broken into rows and columns
[12:20] <newusr> any help !
[12:21] <kahrytan> crdlb->  why not
[12:21] <topyli> a cube has six sides, not 8. the compiz cube cannot use the top and bottom surfaces because that would break the time-space continuumm very quickly and microsoft would win
[12:21] <m1r> lol topyli
[12:21] <crdlb> kahrytan: because it would be wrong
[12:21] <Dr_willis> I wonder if im the onlyone tht finds the Cube totally Useless...
[12:21] <crdlb> Dr_willis: I use wall :)
[12:21] <gunashekar> :Dtopyli
[12:21] <topyli> Dr_willis: no
[12:21] <ripps> Compiz is useless
[12:22] <Dr_willis> I use the other alt-tab/super-tab things normally
[12:22] <ripps> Just stick to Metacity
[12:22] <orvokki> ripps: No kidding.
[12:22] <kahrytan> Then it should be a feature to display workspaces in the way the user wants.
[12:22] <Dr_willis> ripps,  I find a few of its features nice.
[12:22] <topyli> Dr_willis: actually i do use the cube, but with only two workspaces, which makes it more like "this side - other side"
[12:22] <Dr_willis> topyli,  yep. i got 2 widescreen monitors. I rarely use multi-workspaces any more.
[12:23] <ripps> Compiz is what I call "Fluff", it's pointless besides making have a nice little feeling
[12:23] <topyli> Dr_willis: i'm on a laptop with one 1024x768 display :)
[12:23] <ripps> It's pretty, but ultimately not worth the hassle
[12:23]  * crdlb is too :<
[12:23] <kahrytan> topyli->  Do you ever set at a desktop?
[12:23] <VSpike> mvo: It showed the gui and said not all packages could be installed, and showed me the partial upgrade dialog.  When I said OK to that, it closed the first window and did some processing before telling me my system was up to date.  When i OK'd that to close, I noticed the output in the console.
[12:23] <m1r> same here topyli
[12:23] <kahrytan> *sit
[12:23] <topyli> kahrytan: sure
[12:23] <newusr> shall i just install an older kern* image ?
[12:23] <kahrytan> topyli->  use a external monitor?
[12:23] <Dr_willis> My wife likes the zoom feature in compiz. and a few other little things.
[12:24]  * Pici has no issues with his wifi running on iwl3945
[12:24] <VSpike> mvo: latest one does not produce any console output apart from "current dist not found in meta-release file"
[12:24] <topyli> kahrytan: my desks are equipped with desktop machines
[12:24] <mvo> VSpike: ok, thanks a bunch - the error output is fixed in my bzr repository
[12:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  I guess the bug I got is a display bug in workspaces.
[12:24] <crdlb> kahrytan: it's not a bug
[12:24] <topyli> kahrytan: it's not a bug :)
[12:24] <mvo> VSpike: the "..current dist.." one will go away once hardy is released
[12:24] <kahrytan> topyli->  yeah it is
[12:24]  * topyli files a bug against kahrytan's brain
[12:24] <ripps> If you all will excuse me, I have to reboot.
[12:25]  * crdlb sets topyli's bug to CONFIRMED
[12:25] <VSpike> mvo: no probs! thanks
[12:25] <m1r> u are excused ripps
[12:25] <kahrytan> topyli->  I just want the 4 workspaces to be displayed 2x2 in switcher.
[12:25] <topyli> kahrytan: find a dice or some other cube. study it
[12:25] <topyli> kahrytan: fine. use the desktop wall then, retain sanity
[12:25] <kahrytan> topyli->  its not a math problem
[12:25] <kahrytan> topyli->  but i like the cube
[12:26] <topyli> i like ponies
[12:26] <Dr_willis> OMFG Ponies!
[12:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:26] <newusr> any help !
[12:27] <kahrytan> topyli->  Desktop Wall plugin does the same problem
[12:27] <m1r> kahrytan: why not go to #compiz and ask there for your options ?
[12:27] <crdlb> m1r: :<
[12:28] <m1r> kahrytan: your setup seems imposible to me
[12:28] <kahrytan> m1r-> I want 4 workspaces displayed 2x2. And i want a cube.
[12:28] <kahrytan> displayed 2x2 in switcher.
[12:28] <m1r> kahrytan: go #compiz
[12:28] <topyli> kahrytan: that does not compute
[12:29] <m1r> :D
[12:29] <kahrytan> I guess problem is workspace switcher isnt designed to customize the display
[12:29] <crdlb> because doing so wouldn't make _any_ sense
[12:29] <topyli> kahrytan: i'm sure the compiz hackers will figure it out. after all, they have already created such usablility enhancements as the fire plugin
[12:29] <kahrytan> crdlb->  using less space in panel doesnt make sense?
[12:29] <crdlb> kahrytan: if it takes up too much space, then remove it
[12:30] <topyli> kahrytan: remove the pager. that's what i do
[12:30] <kahrytan> pager?
[12:30] <crdlb> tha
[12:30] <topyli> if you can't find your workspaces around the cube, there's another problem
[12:30] <m1r> the thing that is showing your 4 workspaces
[12:30] <crdlb> t's the technical term for it
[12:30] <ripps> And I'm back, what I miss?
[12:30] <kahrytan> topyli->  you mean remove the applet?
[12:30] <m1r> applet named pager
[12:30] <topyli> yes. remove it
[12:30] <Pici> newusr: I personally don't have any issues with my 3945 card, but I have heard other people here say that they have had issues. I'm not sure what the solution was.
[12:31] <ripps> Still talking about the damned workspaces I see...
[12:31] <kahrytan> m1r->  because I use keyboard and mouse to switch often
[12:31] <m1r> so what u need pager for then ?
[12:31] <newusr> Well, i really tried them all but nothing worked for me
[12:31] <newusr> i got HP dv2000 here
[12:31] <m1r> ctrl+alt+left/right does nice job
[12:31] <kahrytan> m1r->  I can just use mouse instead of keyboard?
[12:32] <m1r> not in setup u want 2x2
[12:32] <Dr_willis> i just set up the mouse wheel to change desktops.
[12:32] <kahrytan> unless there is better way?
[12:32] <crdlb> tried expo? :)
[12:32] <m1r> dont your mouse whell change as Dr_willis says ?
[12:32] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  wouldntthat screw up webpage scroll>
[12:32] <m1r> no
[12:32] <crdlb> it only happens on the desktop
[12:32] <m1r> it is independant
[12:32] <crdlb> viewport switcher plugin
[12:33] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  You mouse to the pager/ or taskbar and roll the wheel.. so no... ive seen some window managers allow it anywere on the root window of the desktop.. so its not an issue
[12:34] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> huh>
[12:34] <m1r> kahrytan: just try use mouse scroll while on desktop
[12:34] <m1r> it will change workspaces like click on pager
[12:34] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  time to explore the gnome window manager, or was it kde..  or others.. move pointer over the pager in the panel. and roll the wheel. perhaps. I dont use gnome anyu more
[12:35] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  the switcher?
[12:35] <bullgard1> [GNOME terminal fonts] Why renders my GNOME terminal the 'AR PL UMing CN' font family in size 10 crisp but in size 8 blurred?
[12:35] <Dr_willis> 'i dont use gnome any more'  i always call the littel mini-desktop thing the 'pager' since thats what its been called for years...
[12:35] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> pager is the old name for it?
[12:36] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i never got a memo that its name has been officially changed... :)
[12:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  for the workspace switcher
[12:36] <crdlb> the gnome workspace swithcer applet is an instance of WnckPager
[12:36] <Dr_willis> i imagine 90% of the world will staill call it a 'pager'
[12:36] <crdlb> so it's a pager
[12:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  mouse wheel on it doesnt work obviously
[12:36] <m1r> LOL
[12:36] <m1r> on desktop not on pager
[12:36] <topyli> the gnome workspace switcher applet *is* a pager
[12:37] <kahrytan> nor that
[12:37] <Dr_willis> check its settings.  Im not using gnome.. ive seen the feature in many windowmanager/destops.
[12:37] <crdlb> kahrytan: enable the viewport switcher plugin
[12:37] <Dr_willis> Its very likely its disabled by default
[12:37] <topyli> pagers have been around since at least 1992 when fvwm was released
[12:37] <kahrytan> crdlb->  nope. stil ldoesnt work
[12:38] <crdlb> enabling that plugin will make it work on the desktop
[12:38] <kahrytan> crdlb->  if it did, then it would work
[12:39] <kahrytan> What button is mouse wheel up?
[12:39] <artfwo> kahrytan: 4 i beleive
[12:40] <kahrytan> nope. still doesnt work
[12:40] <m1r> kahrytan: is this your 1st compiz setup ?
[12:41] <artfwo> xev shows 4 for me
[12:41] <Dr_willis> Time to start exploring and playing with the compiz tools and plugins i guess.
[12:41] <kahrytan> More like, time for ccsm to be designed so people can use it
[12:41] <kahrytan> Dont say button 1.
[12:41] <m1r> kahrytan: this your 1st compiz setup ?
[12:41] <Dr_willis> I find ccsm very useable.. I turn off 99% of the stuff and turn on the 2 features i use.
[12:41] <kahrytan> m1r->  first time using viewport? yes
[12:42] <m1r> first time using compiz ?
[12:42] <kahrytan> m1r->  no
[12:42] <kahrytan> compiz settings is designed for geeks.
[12:42] <kahrytan> not for desktop users
[12:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. stop using it then I guess.
[12:42] <m1r> :)
[12:43] <kahrytan> which is probably Ubuntu doesnt use it by default
[12:43] <IdleOne> Dr_willis: WHAT 2 FEATURES DO YOU USE?
[12:43] <ripps> Yeah, well... there could still be an easier method of configuring than CCSM allows
[12:43] <kahrytan> eitherway, viewport doesnt work on default settings.
[12:43] <crdlb> it's not designed at all, really
[12:43] <IdleOne> sorry bout caps
[12:43] <Dr_willis> IdleOne,  the 'zoom' and.. oneother.. the previews in the taskbar/windowlist thing.
[12:43] <crdlb> it simply displays the settings of each plugin
[12:44] <kahrytan> How do you make viewports work from default settings?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> IdleOne,  the ADHD plugin is nice in ways.. but annoying in others.
[12:44] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> no animations?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i dont see the point in them. They dont make the system any more 'useable'
[12:45] <Dr_willis> the wife likes the zoom so she can see things easier.
[12:45] <NET||abuse> Hey guuys.. i seem to have lost audio on my machine,
[12:45] <NET||abuse> havn't used it for a little while, when i updated to the latest kernel, seems to have lost audio
[12:45] <Dr_willis> of course right now im using 'jwm' as my main window manager. :)
[12:45] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  i just turned it off, and you know what. you are right. simple fade effect is enough for me
[12:46] <jaffarkel> i am having a video blockyness in fullscreen, i have nvidia card how do i fix this
[12:46] <jaffarkel> this happens when horizontal panning
[12:46] <kahrytan> So, how do i make viewports work?
[12:46] <VSpike> This is a very minor point, but if I add smb shares to my Places menu in GNOME/Nautilus then I find that on login they all show as "smb" until I actually click on them to open them one at a time, when each updates to "foo on bar" or whatever it should be.  Is this a reportable bug do you think?  Or too minor?
[12:46] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  when i hiot the close/min button. i dont need a animation to tell me that it worked..:) the window vanishing is good enough
[12:47] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Animations off, you get window fade dont ya?
[12:47] <VSpike> It's pretty cool that I can add SMB places at all and that they work so well, so it's not like I'm unappreciative :D
[12:47] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  if you are accessing a lot of samba shares.   you may want to check oht the smbfuse tool.
[12:47] <VSpike> Dr_willis: keep meaning to.  Is it good?
[12:48] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  right now im not using compiz at all.
[12:48] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  if accessing a lan with a lot of shares on different machines It makes things much easier
[12:48] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  thers a ubuntu wiki page for it. takes about 3 min to setup.
[12:48] <VSpike> Dr_willis: in the past I've just used cifs with mount but I was realy suprised by how well the nautilus integration worked out of the box when I tried it expecting nothing much
[12:49] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> what do you use for window switcher?
[12:49] <VSpike> Dr_willis: but yeah I do need to set something up properly because not everything understands gvfs
[12:49] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  ive had so many odd issues with file managers and apps accessing things over samba/browser/shares/network browsing features of the file managers.. that i find smbfuse much easier.
[12:49] <Dr_willis> kahrytan, I just alt-tab from one window to the next normally. or click on the pager in the taskbar
[12:50] <VSpike> Dr_willis: it's a better solution for repeated use, because everything will be able to read it instead of just some gnome apps
[12:50] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  You got it.
[12:50] <kahrytan> No one can't tell me how to activate viewport use?
[12:50] <VSpike> Dr_willis: in the past I defined them in /etc/fstab with cifs and created password files in
[12:50] <Dr_willis> go ask In the compiz channel perhaps.. or twiddlw with ccsm a lot.
[12:51] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  The one feature I dispise in compiz is wobbly windowsd
[12:51] <VSpike> Dr_willis: .. in ~, defined them all user mountable, and created a script to mount/unmount them all
[12:51] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  Yea. I have a lot of machines that may or may not be powerd on at the time. smbfuse sees the new ones as they boot up.
[12:51] <VSpike> Dr_willis: but fuse is nice
[12:51] <VSpike> Dr_willis: do you use nfs at all?
[12:52] <Dr_willis> So i run 'fusesmb Network' in my  startup. :) and its done.
[12:52] <the_alamo> when i attempt to open firefox (using alt-f2) i get an error of "could not open file location 'file:///home/<user name>/firefox'"  but 1. i definately have firefox installed and 2. that doesn't sound like the right location.  how would i fix this?
[12:52] <Dr_willis> not really using nfs much. since i always have samba setup.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> looks like its trying to open a directory, not run a command.
[12:53] <VSpike> Dr_willis: I was having trouble using sshfs, in the if the wireless link dropped, everything hung and never came back.  And when everything included the terminal I had open (hung on a tab completion), nautilus and gnome-panel, it was not good.  Especially since I pretty much had to reboot to cure it.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> is there a 'firefox' directory in your /home/USERNAME/ ?
[12:53] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  my bad. I figured out the viewport issue.. button conflict
[12:53] <m1r> the_alamo: just try firefox ?
[12:53] <VSpike> Dr_willis: I know cifs is mroe tolerant, in that it just starts throwing errors when the server goes away
[12:53] <VSpike> Dr_willis: if you configure it that way, at least
[12:53] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  yep.  all those keybindings/buttons can get confusing when ya have a lot of plugins enbled.
[12:54] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Button conflict on default settings
[12:54] <the_alamo> m1r, yes if i try fire fox from the menu nothing happens
[12:54] <jaffarkel> anyway to fix the video blockyness when in fullscreen??
[12:54] <the_alamo> Dr_willis, no, i do not have a fire fox in my directory.
[12:54] <VSpike> Dr_willis: someone told me nfs takes another approach which is that when the server goes, the processes hang, but when it comes back they pick up as if nothing happened.  So for some types of share that may be good (e.g. documents), while for media like photo/music/video smb is fine
[12:55] <Dr_willis> use a video plaer that has some anti-aliasing features?
[12:55] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  to verify, I reset compiz settings to default.
[12:55] <crdlb> kahrytan: which ones conflict?
[12:56] <Oli``> Why does Samba ruin filename cases?
[12:56] <kahrytan> crdlb-> Intiate Viewport button and Close Window Scale in Scale Addons.
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  blame microsoft.
[12:56] <crdlb> kahrytan: those don't _really_ conflict
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  its best to just use all lowercase names :)
[12:56] <the_alamo> it seems like firefox is confused, is there some way to redirect the command to the right file
[12:56] <crdlb> kahrytan: since close window in scale only works if you're in scale mode
[12:56] <crdlb> ccsm just doesn't know any better
[12:56] <kahrytan> crdlb->  CCSM says it does
[12:56] <crdlb> ccsm is wrong
[12:57] <Oli``> Dr_willis: That's all very well and good, but I can't tell that to my clients
[12:57] <kahrytan> crdlb-> and viewport initiate doesnt work because of the conflict
[12:57] <crdlb> it does work
[12:57] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  the samba docs. have a lot of info on how to handle different filename cases..   Theres no perfect fix.
[12:58] <kahrytan> crdlb->  and you are wrong
[12:58] <crdlb> plugins don't "reserve" bindings, so there aren't any true conflicts
[12:58] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  2 dirs on the same share with names like 'Movies' and 'movies' can cause issues.  sadly
[12:58] <crdlb> scale addon's bindings only matter when scale is initiated
[12:59] <kahrytan> crdlb->  Listen. I turned off Scale Addons. Viewport Works. i turn them on. Viewport doesnt work.
[12:59] <kahrytan> crdlb-> default settings.
[12:59] <hwilde_> !info gcc hardy
[12:59] <ubotu> gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.62ubuntu3)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.3-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[12:59] <Oli``> Dr_willis: my issue is that I'm trying to save files onto a SMB share on Ubuntu from a Windows computer and they're losing their proper filenames
[12:59] <kahrytan> crdlb->  I am talking about the default settings.
[12:59] <hwilde_> !info kernel hardy
[12:59] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in hardy
[13:00] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  whats their proper names like then? samba has all sort of name translation rules/settings you can tweak.
[13:00] <hwilde_> anybody know the kernel version for 8.04 with all the updates?
[13:00] <hwilde_> !info linux-kernel hardy
[13:00] <ubotu> Package linux-kernel does not exist in hardy
[13:00] <hwilde_> !info linux-kernel-headers hardy
[13:00] <ubotu> Package linux-kernel-headers does not exist in hardy
[13:01] <Oli``> It's mainly C# stuff so tt's ClassName.cs - horrible, I agree but meh... bbiab when I've kicked Samba
[13:01] <hwilde_> anybody?  uname -r please
[13:01] <kahrytan> hwilde->  Grub boots kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[13:01] <VSpike> 2.6.24-16-generic
[13:01] <Pici> Linux romulus 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:01] <crdlb> kahrytan: vpswitch's initiate plugin action only works on the desktop, and scaleaddon's close window in scale only works (as the name suggests) in Scale
[13:01] <hwilde_> gracias amigos!
[13:01] <kahrytan> crdlb->  still argueing with the facts
[13:02] <kahrytan> crdlb->  please just stop arguing with the facts. I tested it.
[13:03] <IdleOne> hwilde: 2.6.24-16-generic
[13:03] <Oli``> Dr_willis: Hoorah! Victory is mine
[13:04] <kahrytan> crdlb-> since you might have missed it first time.  I turn off Scale Addon, goto desktop. Viewport works. Turn Scale Addons on, goto desktop, Viewport doesnt work
[13:04] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  did RTFM work? :)
[13:04] <hwilde_> IdleOne, how would I have found this on my own?  ubotu doesn't want to give up the version numbers
[13:04] <Oli``> Dr_willis: RTFGoogle, at least =)
[13:04] <Dr_willis> Oli``,  close enough
[13:04] <neo1ite> !info cupsys hardy
[13:04] <ubotu> cupsys (source: cupsys): Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.7-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1819 kB, installed size 9896 kB
[13:04] <hwilde_> RTFWiki lol
[13:04] <IdleOne> hwilde: found wich kernel you are booting?
[13:05]  * Dr_willis has no idea what 'viewport'  even does...
[13:05] <neo1ite> !info vnc hardy
[13:05] <ubotu> Package vnc does not exist in hardy
[13:05] <hwilde_> IdleOne, i'm not on that system atm and I needed to know the kerenel and gcc version
[13:05] <neo1ite> !info xvnc hardy
[13:05] <ubotu> Package xvnc does not exist in hardy
[13:05] <neo1ite> !info vnc-common hardy
[13:05] <ubotu> Package vnc-common does not exist in hardy
[13:05] <hwilde_> !vino | neolite
[13:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:06] <hwilde_> no vino? :/
[13:06] <IdleOne> gcc Installed: 4:4.2.3-1ubuntu3
[13:06] <crdlb> kahrytan: what specifically does not work about the viewport switcher plugin with scaleaddon enabled?
[13:06] <Dr_willis> >hic<
[13:06] <hwilde_> IdleOne, yeah ubotu will tell you gcc version, but how to get the kernel version
[13:06] <hwilde_> !info gcc hardy
[13:06] <ubotu> gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.62ubuntu3)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.3-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[13:06] <IdleOne> hwilde: you can also check packages.ubuntu.com I guess
[13:09] <the_alamo> i found the correct file/location here: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5, how would i direct the computer to look there when trying to open firefox?
[13:09] <neo1ite> does it usually take ages to configure scrollkeeper?
[13:09] <kahrytan> crdlb->  I was duplicating the issue, now its not duplicating it.
[13:10] <crdlb> ?
[13:10] <abli> Hi! i just installed hardy, and after installation and configuring network, it wants to upgrade a lot of packages (which is fine), but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, update-manager and update-notifier. Is this something expected?
[13:11] <mvo> abli: just wait a bit, not every mirror is in sync yet - should be fine in ~1-2h
[13:11] <IdleOne> abli: look at the packages it wants to install also . is it replacing them?
[13:12] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i HAVE seen some odd cases where you 'change' a setting in ccsm. and it does not take effect..
[13:12] <abli> it wants to upgrade update-manager-core. But what would replace update-manager?
[13:12] <kahrytan> crdlb->  got it.. screenshot good enough?
[13:12] <crdlb> kahrytan: of what? ccsm?
[13:12] <IdleOne> abli: take mvo 's advice and hold off for an hour or so
[13:13] <IdleOne> give all the mirrors a chance to sync
[13:13] <ripps> abli: wait an hour, then run sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrad.
[13:14] <kahrytan> Dr_willis, crdlb http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/Screenshot-ccsm.png
[13:14] <abli> ok, although I don't understand why out-of-sync mirrors would cause the removal of update-manager.
[13:14] <ripps> update-manager is bugged
[13:14] <crdlb> kahrytan: I told you, ccsm is wrong
[13:14] <crdlb> kahrytan: ccsm does not know that the bindings are for different modes
[13:14] <kahrytan> crdlb->  then its a bug in reporting
[13:14] <mvo> (the ubuntu-desktop package is in fact, but the result is the same, its a bug)
[13:14] <crdlb> and it couldn't possible know that
[13:14] <ripps> fix was JUST released, wait an hour for your mirror to catch up
[13:14] <crdlb> kahrytan: it can't be fixed
[13:15] <abli> ripps,  Ah. ok.
[13:15] <kahrytan> crdlb->  but itcan be
[13:15] <crdlb> ccsm is generated from plugin metadata
[13:15] <crdlb> it contains nothing hardcoded
[13:15] <IdleOne> abli: I just did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and get the same output as you described. not sure why
[13:16] <abli> IdleOne, why would you use dist-upgrade? isn't simple upgrade reccomended for this?
[13:17] <ripps> in most cases, just use apt-get upgrade
[13:17] <kahrytan> crdlb->  i had trouble duplicating the error box.
[13:17] <kahrytan> crdlb-> and now the two seem to be working before on default settings when it wasnt before.
[13:17] <crdlb> kahrytan: set it to Button3, set it to Button2
[13:18] <crdlb> it definitely works on default settings
[13:18] <crdlb> there is simply no way that scaleaddon could affect vpswitch
[13:19] <kahrytan> is Login/Login supposed towork with Splash?
[13:21] <kahrytan> How does the login/logout supposed to work?
[13:22] <bullgard4> What file includes the font family 'Monospace'? Is it /var/lib/defoma/pango.d/id-cache.monospace_iso10646?
[13:25] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  you use desktop wall?
[13:29] <kahrytan> Whats the purpose of vertical size if you cant access the viewport?
[13:29] <crdlb> the purpose is for Wall users
[13:30] <kahrytan> oh i get it.
[13:30] <kahrytan> General Desktop settings server as dual purpose for multiple plugins
[13:30] <kahrytan> *serve
[13:31] <kahrytan> It's starting to look like an unintended side effect
[13:33] <kahrytan> The problem is coming to light
[13:34] <Dr_willis> i dont use compiz at all any more.
[13:34] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  I dont mostly. sucks cpu power
[13:34] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  but If I can minimal effects, the better
[13:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  It looks to me Desktop settings is trying to serve multiple plugins
[13:38] <kahrytan> Desktop cube obviously cant use Verticle size so it's just for viewports and wall
[13:38] <nathan_> hey quick question, does anyone in here use an intel wifi card?
[13:39] <neo1ite> should i be bothered that it wants 2 remove ubuntu-base?
[13:39] <kahrytan> did you check !wifi?
[13:39] <nathan_> umm, i would like to say that i have, but let me
[13:39] <nathan_> !wifi
[13:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:40] <kahrytan> nathan_->  thought you were trying to set it up
[13:40] <zach__> is there a way to get a better resolution in ubuntu 8.04? im stuck at 800x600 and when i enable the restricted drivers for my card they "uncheck" when i restart.
[13:41] <kahrytan> you got xorg problem
[13:41] <nathan_> kahrytan, my problem is it wont connect to encrypted wifi signals
[13:41] <nathan_> but it works fine with public
[13:41] <kahrytan> nathan_->  by encrypted, you mean?
[13:42] <nathan_> wep?
[13:42] <nathan_> or wpa
[13:42] <kahrytan> wep? encrypted? thats funny.
[13:42] <nathan_> hahah, well kinda a little blocking point
[13:42] <nathan_> keep teh n00bs out
[13:43] <kahrytan> you got that ?
[13:43] <nathan_> his wifi name is "PornForKiddies"
[13:43] <kahrytan> wep encryption is laughable
[13:43] <nathan_> i'm a pretty tech savvy guy, just running into some problems
[13:43] <nathan_> ive hacked a wep encryption or two
[13:43] <kahrytan> i dont use wifi
[13:44] <kahrytan> so I wouldnt know. i dont trust it.
[13:44] <dns53> anything that can you can get the password within 30 seconds is broken
[13:44] <nathan_> lmao yeah....
[13:44] <nathan_> but besides that do you know how to tell the exact card he has?
[13:44] <nathan_> lpsci?
[13:45] <nathan_> i'm onlu used to broadcam
[13:45] <kahrytan> WEP,WPA,WPA2 just screams, "Look at me! I am wide open to attack by remote"
[13:46] <kahrytan> or just plain wifi
[13:46] <nathan_> but honestly, what percentage of the united states can do that attack?
[13:46] <Pici> !ot
[13:46] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[13:47] <kahrytan> Pici->  feel free to help him?
[13:47] <Pici> kahrytan: I'm just passing through
[13:47] <kahrytan> Pici->  zach has xorg issues
[13:48] <kahrytan> zach__-> you look through wiki help?
[13:48] <zach__> ya im gona try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[13:49] <kahrytan> Right now, i wish i had mouse wheel that has left click and right click
[13:49] <ripps> I use WEP, not becuase I want security, but because I don't want the majority of people using my internet. My ISP doesn't like it when to much bandwidth is in use for long periods of time.
[13:49] <kahrytan> ripps->  you mean like torrenting?
[13:49] <ripps> exactly
[13:50] <Lynoure> kahrytan: that "wide open" is not true for WPA or WPA2 with decent strenght passphrases.
[13:50] <kahrytan> ripps->  they will hate the 24th
[13:50] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  yeah but someone is broadcasting it
[13:51] <Dr_willis> I leave my wireless open! so i can say that i got haxored by the neighbors - when my isp yells at me for Torrenting too much. :)
[13:51] <Dr_willis> last time i blamed it on the kids home from college. :)
[13:51] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I dont like sensitive things being broadcasted.
[13:51] <Lynoure> kahrytan: no harm in broadcasting it. It's still not feasibly breakable :) Just lets your friends notice "oh you have wifi, could you let me use it"
[13:51] <ripps> I've started using the Imageshack Torrent feature. I know it's essentially leeching, but at least it won't make my ISP bitch at me.
[13:52] <nathan_> can ndiswrapper only use xp drivers?
[13:52] <nathan_> in other words if i used a vista wifi driver would that not work?
[13:52] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  I treated my ssid as a password.
[13:52] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  and not brocasted by ap.
[13:53] <the_alamo> i posted a thread about a problem i am having with firefox.  if anyone is interested here is the link:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=762598
[13:53] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  so it;s like SiD%23_AbC
[13:53] <Lynoure> kahrytan: that's your choice... not that significant in terms of security, but keeps the neighbourhood air uncluttered
[13:53] <kahrytan> Lynoure->  my neighbor upstairs unsecured wifi going
[13:53] <jussio1> the_alamo: try to keep it in 1 place at a time :)
[13:54] <Lynoure> kahrytan: that's their choice. :) So does Bruce Schneier. Just best to have security elsewhere then.
[13:55] <the_alamo> jussio1, yeah, fair enough.  i spent a long time making the post for the forum so i thought i would post the link but i see your point
[13:55] <jussio1> :)
[13:55] <ripps> the_alamo: quick dirty solution? Use swiftfox. Add the debian repository for your cpu model and boom, optimized firefox for linux
[13:56] <kahrytan> ripps->  no epiphany>?
[13:56] <the_alamo> i have epiphany installed as well
[13:56] <kahrytan> doenst FF use gecko engine?
[13:57] <dns53> yes
[13:57] <zniavr1> wich google earth is a good one please ?
[13:57] <zniavr1> i got 2 version in synaptic
[13:57] <ripps> zniavr1: add medibuntu repositories and install googleearth using apt-get
[13:57] <kahrytan> the lastest verison
[13:57] <zniavr1> it's what i did
[13:57] <kahrytan> version
[13:58] <neo1ite> ive just upgraded from 6.06LTS to 8.04LTS, and now vista cant connect to the pc?
[13:58] <zniavr1> 4.2 works
[13:58] <kaminix> Anyono here who does Japanese?
[13:58] <zniavr1> 4.3 does not work
[13:58] <neo1ite> using same user and pass as before
[13:58] <kahrytan> kaminix->  i would love to learn. teach me
[13:58] <Lynoure> kaminix: try #ubuntu-jp ?
[13:59] <kaminix> Hmm... good idea Lynoure :p
[13:59] <kaminix> kahrytan: Heh :)
[13:59] <kahrytan> Clone plugin ... whats that useful for>
[14:00] <Pici> Perhaps #compiz-fusion would be a better place to ask ;)
[14:00] <ripps> Seriously here, try Swiftfox. It's basically an optimized version of firefox that's compiled for specific processors. It's so fast.
[14:02] <kahrytan> Did Epiphany replace swiftfox in repos?
[14:03] <ripps> Epiphany != swiftfox
[14:03] <ripps> There aren't any ubuntu reps for Swiftfox, but there is a debian one that works with ubuntu
[14:04] <kahrytan> Epiphany is designed to be fast
[14:05] <ripps> Yeah, but it doesn't use your firefox config, extensions, and themes.
[14:05] <ripps> deb http://getswiftfox.com/builds/debian unstable non-free
[14:06] <ripps> I have swiftfox-athlonxp
[14:08] <topyli> heh
[14:08] <topyli> must be fast, like gentoo, because it's OPTIMIZED :)
[14:09] <ripps> All I know, is that ever since I started using it, my browser hasn't given trouble since.
[14:09] <Jaymac> kahrytan: Epiphany is the main Gnome browser, replacing Galeon..
[14:10] <Jaymac> kahrytan: most distributions choose to replace it with firefox
[14:10] <kahrytan> oh doh
[14:12] <ripps> I used to use gentoo, but I gave it up a few years back, because it was becoming too much hassle to maintain and setup. Besides, some apps just take to long to compile.
[14:12] <neo1ite> hi guys
[14:12] <neo1ite> can anyone help me with a smb / vista problem with 8.04
[14:14] <nathan_> whats the terminal command to remove a directory?
[14:14] <nathan_> i was trying rm?
[14:14] <neo1ite> rmdir
[14:14] <nathan_> thanks
[14:14] <neo1ite> i think
[14:14] <kahrytan> rm -r
[14:15] <nathan_> rm -r worked
[14:15] <nathan_> thanks kahrytan
[14:16] <kahrytan> nathan_->  consider rm --help ?
[14:17] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[14:18] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[14:18] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[14:18] <kahrytan> zach__ had same problem
[14:19] <umbrualbert> Cant get Atheros wireless drivers to work?
[14:19] <ravalox> If you download the newest Atheros snapshot it likely will work for you.
[14:19] <umbrualbert> can anybody help?
[14:19] <ravalox> There are some cards they have enabled since .9.4
[14:20] <umbrualbert> do you perhaps have the download link
[14:20] <ravalox> umrualbert: I had this exact problem two days ago, let me rummage
[14:21] <ravalox> umrualbert: http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-trunk/madwifi-ng-r3546-20080419.tar.gz
[14:21] <ravalox> That worked for me
[14:22] <ravalox> You'll have to apt-get a few things like "build-essential"
[14:22] <boris> http://pastebin.com/d108c309c  someone please help
[14:22] <ravalox> umraulbert: but follow the INSTALL file's instructions
[14:23] <umbrualbert> ravalox: Thanks...i'll boot quickly and try this...thanks again
[14:24] <Ktron> What's the chances of changing the default IRC channel on new turn ups from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-newusers? I feel like the support channel could use the buffer
[14:24] <Pici> Ktron: We've discussed splitting the channels up many times, and weighed the pros and cons many times. We've always decided that keeping it as one channel is for the best.
[14:24] <Ktron> Pici, alright
[14:24] <Pici> Ktron: Wasnt sure if you got my response in #u
[14:24] <Ktron> Pici, no, I think I must have missed it
[14:24] <Ktron> Pici, I see it there
[14:25] <Ktron> Pici, thanks for the response, at least I know it was considered, can't ask for more than that :)
[14:26] <tzd> i have an issue with my ipod shuffle (1gb) and hardy. When i plug in my ipod Amarok and Kontact hangs. I have to reboot to get it working. Can someone please help me?
[14:28] <kahrytan> tzd->  i hope it was a gift
[14:29] <tzd> kahrytan: the ipod you mean?
[14:29] <kahrytan> yeah
[14:29] <ripps> Okay, my mind is turning to mush. I need sleep... Goodnight y'all
[14:29] <tzd> kahrytan: how come? You reckon my ipod is broken?
[14:29] <kahrytan> tzd-> try turning off auto sense for those apps?
[14:30] <tzd> kahrytan: auto sense.. sorry but I never heard of that before. Any idea on how to do this please?
[14:30] <kahrytan> tzd->  as in .. just let it mount. and nothing else try to use it?
[14:31] <tzd> kahrytan: ok, I'll try that now but I'm pretty sure it just hangs the system... I'll close amarok and kontact before i'll plug it in.
[14:32] <Ktron> So, last time I checked (I'm running a batch of updates right now), synergyc still needed to run as root; is that intended with the new permissions system?
[14:33] <kahrytan> tzd->  amarok may still open when inserted
[14:34] <tzd> kahrytan: it didn't fortunately :) Ok it's plugged in now and it's automounted itself
[14:35] <kahrytan> tzd->  i guess you know its not the system
[14:36] <tzd> kahrytan: hehe good thinking :) Thanks for your help! Better ask somewhere else where more appropriate now then ;)
[14:36] <kahrytan> tzd->  open amaron?
[14:36] <kahrytan> amarok
[14:36] <tzd> kahrytan: hmm I'll try kontact first since i doubt it's kontact
[14:37] <kahrytan> troubleshooting .. revert to the simplest
[14:37] <kahrytan> tzd->  did you know 2gb Sansa Fuze is $80 and it supports microsd
[14:38] <tzd> kahrytan: now that was odd... kontact won't start up at all
[14:38] <tzd> kahrytan: i do now but i like apples ipods ;P
[14:38] <kahrytan> Amarok?
[14:39] <kahrytan> style?
[14:39] <tzd> kahrytan: ill give amarok a try now as you suggested
[14:39] <tzd> it's loading extremely slow now
[14:39] <tzd> amarok that is
[14:39] <kahrytan> run in terminal?
[14:40] <tzd> ok i'll try via terminal
[14:41] <tzd> kahrytan: nothing happens. First i tried by typing "Amarok". I then received this message: Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[14:42] <neo1ite> Hi! how do you vnc into 8.04 now? i had it all set up under 6.06, but now cant!
[14:42] <tzd> kahrytan: I then tried with amarokapp but nothing happens
[14:42] <kahrytan> tzd->  i dont use amarok so i dont know the proper binary to run
[14:43] <tzd> kahrytan: ah ok. I'll try in amarok channel. Thanks for your help!
[14:43] <umbrualbert> Does Hardy support nvidia SLI for the 8800 GTX Video Cards?
[14:43] <kahrytan> umbrualbert->  hows the dual booting?
[14:44] <umbrualbert> kahrytan:  working fine thanks (Grub)
[14:45] <neo1ite> Does anybody here use windows to connect to an ubuntu share using 8.04??
[14:46]  * kahrytan wishes he was more savvy right about now...
[14:46] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[14:46] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[14:46] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[14:49] <W8TAH> ravalox: what graphics card are you using?
[14:50] <W8TAH> hi folks - -what do i need to install to the ubuntu hardy RC1 to get the full kubuntu setup too?
[14:51] <Lamego> W8TAH, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:51] <ravalox> geforce 8800
[14:54] <Koheleth> guys, what is Hardy going to be like to install alongside Vista, I am using wubi and the moment and all is fine
[14:56] <W8TAH> Lamego: thanks
[15:01] <neo1ite> DOES 8.04 DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH SAMBA SHARING?
[15:01] <Lamego> !caps | neo1ite
[15:01] <ubotu> neo1ite: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[15:02] <neo1ite> sorry lamego - im getting really stressed here
[15:02] <neo1ite> i cant work out why a share that works under 6.06 suddenly stops working when upgraded to 8.04
[15:02] <neo1ite> an ideas?
[15:05] <mmarker> Ok, I'm having a small issue. Something is loading the nvidia module, but I need to have it load nvidia_new. Checked the usual actor of /etc/modules, and no dice. What mechanism is 8.04 using to pick which module to use from restricted-modules?
[15:17] <nathan_> hey does anyone in here use ktorrent3.0?
[15:20] <asonge> firefox-3.0 isn't launching except via sudo, how can i see what's stopping it from running with normal perms?
[15:21] <Lamego> what error does it report when you run it ?
[15:21] <Lamego> run it from the terminal
[15:21] <asonge> Lamego: none, it hangs
[15:22] <asonge> no return to prompt...just nothing... 2s of cpu usage and then it just hangs there
[15:23] <Lamego> asonge, have you installed any plugins ?
[15:23] <Helvasca> hey
[15:23] <Helvasca> I was just wondering if anything has being happening with the fan issue
[15:23] <asonge> Lamego: i purged .mozilla because i was trying to get firebug to work
[15:23] <asonge> by purged, i mean deleted
[15:23] <Lamego> ok
[15:24] <pepie34> I've got a problem with libgl1-mesa-glx
[15:24] <pepie34> I have installed and reinstall it
[15:24] <pepie34> but i never get the file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[15:24] <pepie34> somebody hve a reason ?
[15:27] <asonge> firefox 3.0 beta5 still doesn't have the firebug fix in the repo?
[15:27] <prodigel> Hi all. Just did an update/dist-upgrade and I got an error while setting up scrollkeeper. are you familiar with this? also a bunch of dependent apps won't update
[15:30] <Lamego> pepie34, because the version provide on hardy is /usr/lib/libGL.so.169.12
[15:30] <Lamego> I meant, provided my nvidia driver :P
[15:31] <pepie34> I wnat to build ati driver
[15:31] <pepie34> so that is not my point
[15:31] <pepie34> i think it is a dpkg-divert mess
[15:31] <spiderfire> what was it that fixed the flash
[15:34] <W8TAH> im using apt-get to install a bunch of packages -- its still downloading them - i need to move to a different classroom, if i unplug and then replug in -- will it pick up happily?
[15:34] <spiderfire> sure
[15:34] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[15:34] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[15:35] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[15:35] <spiderfire> ravalox: hmmm...try...
[15:35] <W8TAH> ravalox: what graphics card are you using
[15:36] <klaxian> is there any way to see which process is using the hard drive?
[15:36] <spiderfire> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[15:37] <klaxian> frequently throughout the day, my hard drive usage spikes for about a minute but CPU usage remains low.  the computer is unresponsive but I can't determine what process is causing it
[15:37] <Helvasca> trackerd?
[15:37] <spiderfire> i uninstalled that
[15:37] <klaxian> Helvasca: that was my first thought but i don't have trackerd installed
[15:38] <pepie34> now it is a problem with libfglrx_gamma.so.1
[15:38] <pepie34> :(
[15:38] <Helvasca> I honestly have no idea
[15:38] <Helvasca> At the moment Im trying to get my laptop fan workign !
[15:38] <Helvasca> I really dont like it running hot!
[15:38] <mmarker> which laptop?
[15:39] <Helvasca> Dell D600
[15:41] <Helvasca> mmarker: why?
[15:41] <spiderfire> 1600x1200
[15:41] <spiderfire> nm that\
[15:42] <ravalox> I'm using a geforce 8800
[15:42] <mmarker> Getting the fan working depends on the hardware. Firing up a fan on a Dell is different than, say, a Macbook
[15:43] <Helvasca> mmarker: I've heard there might be a kernel issue with it.. I've looked at my /proc/acpi and there doesn't seem to be any thresholds etc
[15:44] <mmarker> Yea. What I've just seen via Google concerns me. This laptop is pretty old, right?
[15:45] <Helvasca> 4 years Id think
[15:45] <Helvasca> its got a Pentium M 1.6 in it
[15:45] <kaminix> A web page CSS says this: #cardholder #card #kanjibig p { margin:0; padding:0; font:100pt 'Hiragino Mincho Pro','ヒラギノ明朝 Pro W3','ＭＳ 明朝','ＭＳ Ｐ明朝', serif; }             ## Yet still the font in question renders with Times New Roman or something like that, not any of the suggested fonts anyway (of which I only have MS Mincho / MS 明朝 and I guess 'serif')
[15:45] <shane2peru> hey has anyone successfully gotten the 8.04 server 64bit rc installed?
[15:46] <Helvasca> mmarker: and it looks like a scary problem
[15:47] <shane2peru> I think I ran into a bug, once I ran into the selection of packages and install, it failed on that part, no packages could be installed.
[15:47] <shane2peru> Did anyone else have any problems with it?
[15:47] <shane2peru> I checked my md5sums and the disk, both are fine.
[15:49] <kaminix> Okay. Now I have a site where Firefox renders a font correctly, but Konqueror doesn't. Konqueror used to do it right until I upgraded to 8.04RC. Any takers?
[15:49] <shane2peru> nada, nothing, no one else is trying out the server 64bit RC?
[15:49] <kaminix> Same problem as above with more information by the way.
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> hey
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> does anyone know why it asks me for the installation cd everytime I want to install anything?
[15:49] <IsotropicSpin> its very annoying given it won't accept my installation cd as the correct one
[15:50] <Helvasca> IsotropicSpin: just remove it from your sources
[15:50] <shane2peru> it is because it is in your sources IsotropicSpin
[15:50] <jbroome> IsotropicSpin: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd
[15:50] <shane2peru> Helvasca, too fast for me. :)
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> what does that mean?
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> haha!
[15:50] <IsotropicSpin> ahh cheers!
[15:50] <Helvasca> # i scommenting out
[15:50] <mmarker> that it does. There's supposedly a dellfand for those older modules. No clue if anyone packages it. And it is a hack, but it looks like the D600 is from the days of borked ACPI BIOSes.
[15:51] <shane2peru> IsotropicSpin, or there is a graphical way too, if you prefer. :)
[15:51] <Helvasca> mmarker: yeah but the thing is it used to work under fiesty/gutsy
[15:51] <jbroome> sorry, i'm ear deep in cli today. :)
[15:51] <IsotropicSpin> shane2peru
[15:51] <IsotropicSpin> just fixed
[15:52] <IsotropicSpin> thanks!
[15:52] <shane2peru> IsotropicSpin, System -> Administrator -> Software Sources uncheck CDROM :)
[15:52] <shane2peru> is this the HardyHeron/RC channel?
[15:52] <IsotropicSpin> i think so
[15:52] <Helvasca> shane2peru: yup
[15:53] <jbroome> shane2peru: /topic
[15:53] <shane2peru> has anyone installed the 64bit server?
[15:53] <shane2peru> mine refused to install packages, didn't matter what I selected.
[15:53] <shane2peru> LAMP, Postgre sql, DNS server
[15:53] <jbroome> shane2peru: i haven't done the server, but desktop installed fine
[15:53] <mmarker> Now that's important to know...and no clue how to debug. Only item I'd try first is make sure the thermal zone modules for ACPI are loaded...
[15:54] <IsotropicSpin> well HH hasn't crashed yet, which is good cause GG was doing it all the time for me, which is why i was tempted to download the RC
[15:54] <Lamego> shane2peru, what error did you get ?
[15:54] <Helvasca> how do I check loaded modules mmarker
[15:54] <shane2peru> Lamego, just said it failed to install the packages, it let me install the grub fine after that, but no packages.
[15:54] <shane2peru> Lamego, I also reported a bug on launpad, but wanted to see if anyone else had run into this.
[15:55] <Lamego> shane2peru, it must have displayed something more descriptive than that, like failed to download, etc etc
[15:55] <abli> do I have to install something to get the 'Restricted Drivers Manager'? (I don't see it under the Admin menu) or do I have to do something else to install the binary nvidia driver?
[15:55] <mmarker> lsmod. I think the module you're looking for is called thermal. Warning, you're gonna get a lot of output.
[15:55] <shane2peru> Lamego, hmm, I don't remember seeing anything more descriptive, it was pretty vague, just package selection failed.
[15:55] <jbroome> lsmod | grep thermal
[15:56] <Helvasca> ill grep
[15:56] <Helvasca> thermal                16796  70
[15:56] <Helvasca> processor              36872  2 thermal
[15:56] <mmarker> Ok, good start.
[15:56] <shane2peru> Lamego, do you have it installed? via the RC installation?
[15:57] <shane2peru> Lamego, I can give it another shot and see, but it didn't give me anything specific.
[15:58] <Helvasca> Hmm I really shouldn't be doing this now its 0058 and I have to be up at 0600
[15:59] <Lamego> shane2peru, I did an sudo apt-get install mysql-server, it's running without problems
[15:59] <Lamego> I do have the RC, 64 bits
[15:59] <shane2peru> yeah, I probably could do that, I just was concerned about the media installation not working correctly.
[16:00] <shane2peru> Lamego, ^^^
[16:00] <Lamego> well, i am using the internetl repositories, not the CD
[16:00] <Lamego> internet
[16:00] <shane2peru> Lamego, right, but I was doing a new install with the RC and it didn't work.
[16:01] <Lamego> with the server cd ?
[16:01] <shane2peru> Lamego, correct, I checked the md5sums and the cd for defects and they are both fine.
[16:01] <shane2peru> Lamego, which leads me to believe there is a problem with the installation process.
[16:02] <abli> ah. I see it got renamed to 'hardware drivers'
[16:02] <Lamego> ok
[16:02] <shane2peru> Lamego, how would I get LAMP via apt?  is there a LAMP sym package?
[16:02] <Lamego> shane2peru, sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php5 (= LAMP)
[16:03] <shane2peru> Lamego, ok, will it set it up the same as if I choose it off the CD?
[16:03] <Lamego> yes
[16:03] <shane2peru> Lamego, great, thanks!
[16:04] <shane2peru> Lamego, I filed a bug on it, is there anything else I should do to get the problem of the installation fixed that you know of?
[16:04] <shane2peru> Lamego, I like Ubuntu, and want to do my part of helping. :) though little it may be.
[16:05] <StealthCP> See when Ubuntu 8.04 is properly released in two days time, there's no need to change repos set up in Ubuntu for the beta/rc or anything, it all goes automatically doesn't it?
[16:05] <Lamego> shane2peru, a bug preventing the A M P from being installed will be fixed for sure
[16:06] <daekdroom> StealthCP: Make sure to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in case a new package is added or a package is removed.
[16:06] <shane2peru> Lamego, right, it wasn't just the LAMP, I tried selecting any package, and nothing worked for the package selection.
[16:06] <daekdroom> but the repos won't change.
[16:07] <StealthCP> That's ok, however I've been using aptitude full-upgrade for a while now, same thing I guess
[16:07] <StealthCP> I suppose release notes will be the only thing really changed?
[16:07] <daekdroom> StealthCP: aptitude seems to be more safe.
[16:07] <StealthCP> Ok.
[16:07] <daekdroom> I don't know. I think they'll change the documentation packages a few days or hours before the release.
[16:08] <daekdroom> but I noticed they were upgraded by today.
[16:10] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey how how well is pulse audio integrated with hardy, when I look at my volume control it says alsa
[16:13] <nickthorley> hi all - does anyone know if there are any options to encrypt a filesystem in 8.04?
[16:17] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey how how well is pulse audio integrated with hardy, when I look at my volume control it says alsa
[16:18] <Pici> Pulse audio does not replace Alsa.
[16:18] <qzio> hm, is acpid broken? (acpid_1.0.4-5ubuntu8) ?
[16:20] <abli> Any idea what should I check if the 'unlock' button is greyed out in the 'network settings' dialog even though I am and admin user?
[16:20] <tzd> need help with my filesystems that seems messed up please? My usual auto mounts doesn't mount anymore due to occupied mount points?
[16:21] <StealthCP> KDE4 support seems to be at a very early stage though - I've been testing it, and the unthemed GTK and the many crashes I'm not sure is due to beta Ubuntu or KDE4 itself
[16:21] <StealthCP> A terrible thing is audio
[16:21] <vbabiy-laptop> Pici: what does it due then?
[16:21] <daekdroom> Ubuntu Hardy comes with libsdl-alsa by default.
[16:22] <StealthCP> I really wish they used .16 alsa in Ubuntu 8.04, it has less problems with my sound card than .15
[16:22] <daekdroom> I had to replace it for pulseaudio myself to listen to Mp3 and play games at the same time :p
[16:22] <Pici> vbabiy-laptop: One sits atop the other to provide a layer of management.
[16:22] <Pici> I dont know the specifics
[16:22] <vbabiy-laptop> o okay
[16:22] <StealthCP> I can't get pulse audio wirking either - I was loking forward to that :P
[16:22] <daekdroom> Too bad kernel 2.6.25 came too late.
[16:22] <daekdroom> 2.6.24 isn't good at all.
[16:23] <StealthCP> Two sound cards, an X-Fi xtrememusic on which the alsa 32-bit drivers won't build for, only OSS will work, and I'm not mesing up Hardy with OSS at this stage :P
[16:23] <StealthCP> And an external Edirol UA-25, which I'm using currently
[16:24] <StealthCP> right brb, just installed ubuntu-desktop and gonna give KDE4 a rest for a few days at least
[16:24] <StealthCP> ;)
[16:27] <Laptop765> my Thinkpad doesn't seem to be generating acpi events for buttons...could somebody assist me?  I'm a former Gentoo user.  When I initially switched to Ubuntu (7.10) everything was fine and my volume buttons worked perfectly fine (yay!) and then I'm guessing an update blew them out one day and I haven't been able to figure out why...  I'm now running 8.04RC
[16:34] <beex> is there a usb install guide for hardy? everything I see talks about gutsy.
[16:34] <Khamael> beex: have you checked if the procedure is the same?
[16:35] <kona> Hi, Is the Final release of Hardy Heron still slated for this Thursday 4/24?
[16:35] <bazhang> yes kona
[16:36] <kona> bazhang: Would you know what time it would be available at California - Pacific - Timezone?
[16:36] <bazhang> kona join the release party ;]
[16:37] <kona> bazhang: Ok - How do I go about that?
[16:37] <daekdroom> How can we have a release party if there isn't a certain hour? Or is there?
[16:37] <bazhang> !hardy
[16:37] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[16:37] <beex> Khamael, I have tried the automated instructions in this guide
[16:37] <beex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:37] <daekdroom> What's the fun of that? :p
[16:38] <daekdroom> Will we keep pressing F5 at ubuntu's website?
[16:38] <beex> Khamael, but I suppose there's some variance in the paths
[16:38] <bazhang> you can say you were there--the moment that linux toppled MS
[16:38] <Lamego> if RC was delayed 1 day, shouldn't the final be also delayed to keep the "testing" interval ?
[16:38] <daekdroom> Nah. That's something too huge for a buggy release of Ubuntu.
[16:41] <ratpoison> hello! hardy user. My ntfs partitions don't mount automatically with every login, yet they appear under the "Places" menu
[16:41] <ratpoison> how do I make them mount automatically with every login?
[16:42] <Lamego> ratpoison, add them to /etc/fstab
[16:43] <ratpoison> I also want to be able to share them via samba. What mask should I use?
[16:44] <lumm> encrypted lvm2 roots also seems not to mount after boot
[16:44] <lumm> :S
[16:46] <TopoMorto> i'm searching jigdo file for i386 desktop cd, it seems missing from http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/, is only aviable in this format the alternate version:(((
[16:47] <W8TAH> hi folks - -im installing the kde-desktop metapackage on hardy RC1 its taken like almost 2 hours so far -- to do the downloads -- is this normal or is there a problem out there?
[16:48] <daekdroom> It's like 100Mb+ of download.
[16:48] <daekdroom> The problem out there is either the mirror you're using or your connection.
[16:48] <Khamael> TopoMorto: hardy isn`t officially released yet. the newest is rc, I think
[16:49] <Khamael> TopoMorto: nm. saw the link
[16:49] <shane2peru> does anyone know anything about gnome-desktop-environment being broken in the server edition?
[16:49] <Pici> shane2peru: What do you mean? The server install has no GUI.
[16:49] <daekdroom> o.o
[16:49] <shane2peru> Pici, correct
[16:49] <W8TAH> daekdroom: ok - thanks
[16:50] <Pici> shane2peru: Is there a question there?
[16:50] <TopoMorto> Khamael, you are right :)) i know Hardy is relase candidate :)
[16:50] <shane2peru> Pici, or seems that way, how can I get gnome-desktop installed?
[16:50] <Khamael> TopoMorto: ok. just making sure :P
[16:50] <W8TAH> shane2peru: in my mind you really dont want a gui on a server
[16:51] <daekdroom> hehehehe.
[16:51] <daekdroom> Not even openbox.
[16:51] <shane2peru> W8TAH, I know, but my server is my desktop too. :)
[16:51] <Pici> shane2peru: What issue are you having?
[16:51] <_max_> i dono if this is a problem with only 8.04 or with 7.10 aswell, but i FINALLY got ubuntu to install onto a GPT partition table.
[16:51] <W8TAH> shane2peru: ouch
[16:51] <_max_> parted says the partition is 5000gb
[16:51] <_max_> but when i mount it it says its only 540gb now (said 5000 before)
[16:51] <shane2peru> Pici, here it is:  http://pastebin.com/d108d4425
[16:51] <_max_> i can't run resize_reiserfs to grow it cause it says its already the maximum size.
[16:51] <_max_> anyone got any idea what the hell is wrong?
[16:52] <shane2peru> W8TAH, it isn't so bad, I just really tinker with the server side, it is mostly a desktop. :)
[16:52] <daekdroom> shane2peru: That's somewhat a problem. Server's kernel is slower than desktop, but more stable.
[16:52] <shane2peru> daekdroom, I have noticed the stability, and actually like it, haven't noticed the slowness running 64bit
[16:52] <daekdroom> It's because server kernel is 100hz. It takes longer to a program take over all CPU power.
[16:53] <jbroome> wtf
[16:53] <kona> Anyone know best URL to visit for the final release of HH? Will use torrent to download.
[16:53] <TopoMorto> Khamael, did you know why jigdo file of i386 standard desktop (and the amd64 version, too) is missing?
[16:54] <daekdroom> kona: mostly like every URL will be overloaded.
[16:54] <jbroome> kona: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/  when it's released
[16:54] <shane2peru> kona, it isn't for another 2 days.
[16:54] <Jimmey> Can someone please help me with my bcm43xx card on hardy? I have used the instructions to get the card's firmware installed in the correct directory, and it's now recognising WLANs, but I can't seem to connect to any of them, specifically the one in my house - Protected by a WPA password. It asks for the password, but then can't connect, for some reason.
[16:54] <shane2peru> Pici, therefore can't install desktop. :)
[16:55] <Khamael> TopoMorto: no idea. personally, I`m waiting for the official release
[16:55] <shane2peru> Pici, seems to be conflicting packages, fam and gnome-desktop-environment
[16:56] <shane2peru> Pici, if you want the whole thing, I can paste that. :) if it will help.
[16:56] <TopoMorto> Jimmey, look in your dmesg :)
[16:57] <Jimmey> TopoMorto, okay. It's saying authenticate with AP (MAC address here)
[16:57] <Jimmey> Then "authentication with AP MAC_ADDRESS timed out
[16:57] <Pici> shane2peru: I see bug 216756 logged for this right now
[16:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216756 in meta-gnome2 "Impossible install Gnome starting from ubuntu netboot installation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216756
[16:58] <shane2peru> ok, I will check that out, thanks.
[16:58] <TopoMorto> Jimmey, give me a moment i'will chek my bcm4xx notebook :))
[16:58] <TopoMorto> *checkù
[16:58] <shane2peru> Pici, ^^^
[16:58] <TopoMorto> *check
[16:58] <Pici> Yep
[16:58] <kona> jbroone: Thanks was over at the #ubuntu-release-party channel as well - they suggested coming there on the 24th for most updated info download. THanks for URL also.
[16:58] <Jimmey> TopoMorto, thankyou
[17:01]  * TopoMorto answer the phone
[17:01] <shane2peru> bug 216756
[17:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216756 in meta-gnome2 "Impossible install Gnome starting from ubuntu netboot installation" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216756
[17:01]  * shane2peru thinks that is cool
[17:01] <kona> Is there a way to have XChat start with more than one channel open?
[17:02] <pistache-ubuntu> Yes
[17:02] <pistache-ubuntu> It's in the Options of your channel
[17:03] <akk> kona: In Network List, check "connect at startup" for each network you want to autojoin
[17:03] <kona> pistache-ubuntu: Will look in there and see if I can figure it out - Thanks much.
[17:04] <kona> akk: I tried that but didn't do something right - maybe not listing them correctly?
[17:04] <dethstar> so how's the latest RC of 8.04?
[17:04] <bazhang> the final nail
[17:05] <akk> kona: If you have a network set up there and you can connect by clicking Connect, then checking "Auto connect to this network at startup" should also work
[17:05] <akk> kona: does it work clicking connect, but not automatically?
[17:05] <pistache-ubuntu> In each network you can set up the channels to autoconnect
[17:06] <pistache-ubuntu> Hardy Heron rocks, I love the graphics and I hope that there will be more support for Compiz Fusion, like new version of XGL, because it's a bit a mess on Gutsy.
[17:06] <kona> akk: yep - If I select join another channel it will do it and the other will stay running as well.
[17:06] <akk> Anybody know what changed in /etc/event.d from gutsy to hardy? I'm finding that /etc/event.d/tty1 doesn't work the way it did before
[17:07] <akk> Or is that system documented anywhere? (It's ubuntu specific)
[17:07] <AaronMT> Hi, does anyone know how to change b43-fwcutter's speed to the correct MBPS? It's displaying 1MBPS, where it should read 22
[17:07] <orvokki> Does it really matter?
[17:07] <AaronMT> Yes, it's 20MBPS slower than normal.
[17:07] <akk> kona: The question is more whether it works to connect ... joining another channel is a different operation.
[17:08] <Jimmey> AaronMT, do you reckon you could help me get connected? Are you using b43 driver with the firmware?
[17:08] <orvokki> AaronMT: Oh, you mean actual connection speed instead of fwcutter's cutting speed?
[17:08] <AaronMT> Yes, I just installed hardy and used the firmware it asked to install
[17:09] <Jimmey> Oh, were you connected when you did it?
[17:09] <AaronMT> Bit Rate in iwconfig lists 1 Mb/s
[17:09] <geu> hi someone told me, that you can actually install  a linux iso from within the gnome desktop on another attached HDD is that true?
[17:10] <AaronMT> Wireless works, it's just rediculously slow using b43-fwcutter
[17:10] <kona> akk: I have it set to join #unbuntu+1 - When I start XChat - and it does that - if that's what you need to know - sorry new at this - not sure if that's what your asking?
[17:10] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:10] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:10] <akk> kona: What about the other network you want it to join?
[17:10] <xx0xx> hi
[17:11] <xx0xx> can anyone help me with proftpd?
[17:11] <xx0xx> IPv6 getaddrinfo 'AmaderBanglaChat.com' error: No address associated with hostname
[17:11] <xx0xx> AmaderBanglaChat.com - SocketBindTight in effect, ignoring DefaultServer
[17:12] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:12] <akk> kona: Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized you were asking about channels on the same server, and I've been answering for different servers
[17:12] <kona> akk: If I goto "Server/Join Channel" then input other channel that one will run as well - if that is what you are asking?
[17:13] <Slart> Hello everyone, just a quick question. Can I switch the default soundcard in hardy and somehow make it effective without restarting X or reboot?
[17:13] <akk> kona: you should be able to give a comma-separated list of channels, e.g. #ubuntu+1,#ubuntu,#ubuntu-whatever
[17:13] <Rainarrow> Hello guys, anyone running hardy on ATi X300? I can't get the restricted driver to work
[17:13] <akk> kona: If there are any spaces, it won't go past the space, so use commas to separate the channels you want
[17:13] <guja_nebeska> Need help in setting iSight camera to Macbook Intel based 64-bit with Hardy on it! Thank you!
[17:13] <CrazyRat> i have x1450, it works fine
[17:13] <Rainarrow> now it shows a mark under "Enabled", but the status is still "Not in use"
[17:14] <Rainarrow> I checked xorg.conf and it seems alright
[17:14] <Pici> !releat | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about releat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <Pici> !repeat | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> guja_nebeska: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[17:14] <AaronMT> !patience | guja_nebeska
[17:14] <ubotu> guja_nebeska: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:14] <Rainarrow> I also tried aticonfig --initial
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> !blabla AaronMT
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blabla aaronmt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> :D
[17:14] <Pici> guja_nebeska: Don't do that.
[17:14] <Rainarrow> !blabla
[17:14] <kona> akk: ok ok - so I will use "CTRL+S" and just add other channel with a comma - correct?
[17:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blabla - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:14] <guja_nebeska> Okay Pici.
[17:14] <phillipsjk> I fonud a bug in gcalctool 5.22.0 I get a "malformed expression" error when trying to use Scientic Notation (in the scientific mode). I Even tried entering the example in the documentation.
[17:14] <akk> kona: Correct
[17:15] <Pici> !bug | phillipsjk
[17:15] <ubotu> phillipsjk: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:15] <xx0xx> WHO CAN HELP ME WITH PROFTPD?
[17:15] <kona> akk: Ok - I can do that - Will I need a space after comma or anything?
[17:15] <AaronMT> !caps xx0xx
[17:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about caps xx0xx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:15] <akk> kona: No, no spaces
[17:16] <Pici> xx0xx: Please be patient, if perhaps try asking in #proftpd
[17:16] <akk> !upstart
[17:16] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:16] <xx0xx> Pici: they are dead xd
[17:16] <Rainarrow> and glxinfo |grep render says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[17:16] <Lynoure> xx0xx: looks like you don't have ipv6 ip for that hostname
[17:16] <kona> akk: Cool - Cool - Boy that wore me out - how about you <grin> - Thanks much!
[17:16] <Slart> xx0xx: try asking a specific question instead of the general "help me with..."
[17:16] <akk> kona: Yay! you're welcome
[17:17] <xx0xx> Lynoure: how do i add ipv6?
[17:17] <Lynoure> xx0xx: not a proftpd problem as such, a dns problem
[17:17] <xx0xx> ok
[17:18] <kona> akk: what a poain this all is sometimes - but sometimes there is a light at the end of the tunnel that makes it all worthwhile !  :o)
[17:18] <kona> p;ain
[17:18] <kona> pain
[17:18] <xx0xx> Lynoure:  i guss dns is ok
[17:21] <kona> akk: Got both channels I need running now - much appreciate the help.....
[17:22] <Lynoure> xx0xx: Depends on what host that is, you can either just add an entry in /etc/hosts or as the dns admin to set up dns for ipv6
[17:23] <Lynoure> xx0xx: or you can add DefaultAddress with the ipv4 ip to the proftpd config, if you don't need ipv6 yet
[17:23] <xx0xx> i dont know how to setup dns for ipv6
[17:23] <xx0xx> ok
[17:23] <Zambezi> xx0xx: Maybe ask in regular #ubuntu ?
[17:24] <xx0xx> Zambezi: they are not much help.
[17:24] <xx0xx> xD
[17:24] <judgen> hardy is released in a few days, and they have not yet fixed the xorg bugs... a little worrysome
[17:24] <Zambezi> xx0xx: But this is a channel about Hardy. Not proftpd.
[17:24] <Pici> judgen: Which bugs?
[17:25] <xx0xx> ummm i am using hardy ;p
[17:25] <Zambezi> xx0xx: So? It's not a Hardyissue.
[17:25] <judgen> Pici: doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" produces a worthless xorg.conf file...
[17:25] <Pici> judgen: Thats not a bug
[17:26] <judgen> Pici: I know how to write my own, but sometimes im too lazy
[17:26] <Pici> judgen: Xorg no longer needs xorg.conf to be populated with anything to work
[17:26] <judgen> Pici: who come it does not work then?
[17:27] <judgen> Pici: also the bug with nvidia drivers newer than *.9x series that makes laptops screens all black.
[17:27] <Pici> judgen: Are there bug numbers for these issues?
[17:27] <Zambezi> judgen: That's not a bug? That's more like unsupported?
[17:27] <judgen> Pici: dont know...
[17:28] <Zambezi> judgen: Can you check Launchpad?
[17:28] <akk> It doesn't need anything ... as long as it can figure out the right defaults
[17:28] <judgen> it works if connected an external screen though
[17:28] <topyli> judgen: perhaps you should file them, or add info to existing bugs if needed
[17:28] <akk> but for some monitors/cards it probably does need a config file
[17:29] <topyli> judgen: bigger chance of anything getting fixed if it's known
[17:29] <gregorah> Why did my hard drives change from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* when I upgraded to Hardy? I've got it fixed, just curious.
[17:29] <Slart> gregorah: what did you upgrade from ? dapper?
[17:29] <gregorah> from 7.10
[17:29] <Zambezi> gregorah: It changed from Dapper to Edgy I believe.
[17:30] <Slart> gregorah: all hard drives use the scsi interface now.
[17:30] <judgen> topyli: the bug exists in other distros too, but not with the 1(0-5)x series of drivers only the 16X series, but with ubuntu the problem persists.
[17:30] <MrBill> good day, I have the Beta of Hardy installed on a PC at home, am i correct in understanding that once the official release is made public my beta will become "official" without me having to download and reinstall?
[17:30] <Pici> !final | MrBill yep
[17:30] <ubotu> MrBill yep: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:30] <Slart> MrBill: there might an update or two.. but sure.. it'll be final after that
[17:30] <MrBill> I have been applying my updates, so I think I'm good to go
[17:31] <afallenhope> hey can someone help me lol, I accidentally hit WINKEY + R and now everything is magnified
[17:31] <gregorah> ok, thanks. Slart and Zambezi
[17:31] <afallenhope> how do I get out of it? I tried hitting it again... didn't do anything
[17:31] <judgen> Pici: another interesting thing is that my net connection on a RTL8111b stops working after a little while unless i set aliases in modprobe to disable ipv6
[17:31] <MrBill> There's still updates in Gutsy (which is a good thing of course) so seeing updates in Hardy will of course be expected =)
[17:31] <Slart> afallenhope: aww.. man.. I had to try.. how do I turn it off??? =)
[17:31] <judgen> is hardy the next LTS?
[17:31] <afallenhope> Slart: I don't know that what I'm trying to figure out
[17:32] <Pici> judgen: Again, if there are no bugs logged for these issues, how are the developers supposed to know that things are not working?
[17:32] <Lamego> judgen, yes, hardy is LTS
[17:32] <judgen> Pici: ive filed quite a few reports on the realtec site.
[17:32] <MrBill> If I have a Gutsy install up and running as well (seperate machine) and I want to upgrade it to Hardy (without loosing my settings and installed apps and all that), is the process pretty involved, or pretty straightforward?
[17:32] <afallenhope> Anyone know how to stop it?
[17:33] <Pici> judgen: That doesnt really help Ubuntu though.
[17:33]  * DanaG wishes DST would die.
[17:33] <DanaG> Daylight Savings Time.... and Use More Heating time.
[17:33] <DanaG> ... because you get up earlier, when it's colder.
[17:34] <judgen> Pici: Also, is there a decent opensource nvidia driver with accelerated 3d that i have missed?
[17:34] <topyli> judgen: as long as a bug doesn't exist in the bug tracking system, it doesn't exist :)
[17:34] <HorizonXP> hey is it just me, or does evolution suck with IMAP
[17:34] <Zambezi> afallenhope: I'm not sure. Ask in #ubuntu where it's more people.
[17:34] <topyli> judgen: so you better make sure it does
[17:34] <Jessicatz> I installed sox here in hardy, and it only supoports two formats, m3u and pls
[17:34] <Slart> afallenhope: seems it's a compiz feature
[17:34] <judgen> topyli: true
[17:34] <Fade>   HorizonXP -- evolution is awful with very large imap hierarchies.
[17:34] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Installed codecs?
[17:34] <Wobbo> Where did the samba config ui go?
[17:34] <aoupi> has hfs+ support been changed for hardy?
[17:35] <Slart> afallenhope: I disabled the "enchanced desktop zoom" plugin and reenabled it.. that fixed it
[17:35] <aoupi> weird permission problem going on. Mounted an external firewire drive (HFS+). mount says: "/dev/sdc2 on /media/Macintosh HD type hfsplus  (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)" but when I do something like `touch "/media/Macintosh HD/abc` I get: "touch: cannot touch `abc': Read-only  file system". What might be the problem?
[17:35] <Wobbo> The default shared folder config ui under the system menu
[17:35] <Fade> HorizonXP: if you have large imap hierarchies, use thunderbird.
[17:35] <aoupi> it worked before, I think "before" was before I installed hardy
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I updated from feisty with working codecs, libmad etc are all here
[17:35] <_Lucretia_> still flickering :(
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: also I'm listening right now to mp3s
[17:35] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: so I figure they are there
[17:36] <judgen> btw does linux has alot better port of googleearth than osx or windows? it just seems to be smoother.
[17:36] <Fade> aoupi: is it a journaled HFS+ volume?
[17:36] <aoupi> Fade: yea
[17:36] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I think the packagename is restricted-formats something. See if that's installed. That's a metapackages I think.
[17:36] <Fade> the HFS driver in the kernel won't write to journaled HFS systems.
[17:36] <Fade> I seriously doubt that has ever worked.
[17:37] <HorizonXP> Fade: crap. I just switched away from Thunderbird, and I have everything set up nicely in Evolution too
[17:37] <HorizonXP> Fade: I'm using GMail IMAP
[17:37] <Fade> HorizonXP: your other option is to decrease the size of the folders in imap.
[17:37] <Wobbo> judgen:  i think googleearth is exactly the windows version, built in wine by google for us linux users
[17:37] <Fade> download them to local disk as you 'expire' them.
[17:37] <aoupi> Fade: darn! you might actually be right :O, I just copied the home folder before
[17:38] <Wobbo> judgen: so you might say that wine does a better job then windows =D
[17:38] <aoupi> do you have any tips on how I might get everything back? :(
[17:38] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: (x)ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[17:38] <judgen> Wobbo: ok, maybe. But i have many games running better in wine than windows. UT2k4 and quake3 is good examples
[17:38] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I think it's that. I can check.
[17:38] <akk> Wobbo: google earth for linux is a native app, kde based, unless they've changed it from the first release
[17:38] <HorizonXP> Fade: It's Gmail though, so downloading them to disk won't delete them
[17:38] <Fade> well, you can read a journaled HFS system.
[17:38] <Fade> so copy the data into a volume you can write to.
[17:39] <Wobbo> akk: ok
[17:39] <aoupi> Fade: I have the data I want here,it's a backup. the mac has been reinstalled and I kinda want to put the files back on it :)
[17:39] <Fade> HorizonXP: well, I guess you'd have to put them in the trash.
[17:39] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Correct.
[17:39] <judgen> hehe i did a apt-get install * =)
[17:39] <Fade> aoupi: if you have a running mac, what's the problem?
[17:39] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed (X)ubuntu ones, without kubuntu one
[17:39] <Wobbo> don't ut and quake have linux native builds
[17:39] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: still no change :/
[17:39] <HorizonXP> Fade: with over 7000 emails spread across all my folders, not really a good option right now
[17:40] <HorizonXP> just gonna have to live with it I guess
[17:40] <aoupi> Fade: true, maybe ethernet over firewire will be good enough
[17:40] <shane2peru> configure mysql-server  --  should one set a root password?  if not would the password be setup as the user password, kind of like the security of no root password?
[17:40] <Wobbo> Can anyone tell me where the config panel go for network sharing?
[17:40] <Fade> HorizonXP: use thunderbird in that case. evolution just shits itself in such situations.
[17:40] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Which DE do you use?
[17:40] <Fade> aoupi: huh? can't you just plug the disk into the firewire port on the mac?
[17:40] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: DE?
[17:40] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Desktop enviroment.
[17:40] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: xfce
[17:40] <judgen> aoupi: you could just mount the disk and copy over the data from linux. But if its journaled HFS+ it can be troublesome, but possible. Just make sure tu unmount before you reboot
[17:41] <aoupi> Fade: nah, internal disk, plus hte disk here is reiserfs and osx doesn't have good filesystem support for anything non-mac or win
[17:41] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Then it's xubuntu-restricted-formats
[17:41] <Rainarrow> Hello, my fglrx won't load on X300, /var/log/Xorg.0.log says fglrx(0): could not detect X server version (query_status=-3)
[17:41] <aoupi> judgen: is there write support for HFS+ that I can install?
[17:41] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: no such package :/
[17:41] <Fade> well, you can reinstall the mac system in plain HFS and journal it later.
[17:41] <Rainarrow> Someone gimme a clue?
[17:41] <Fade> then you could write to the disk.
[17:41] <judgen> aoupi: yes
[17:41] <aoupi> judgen: oh great
[17:42] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Sure? I have a look after apt-get is done. It's working now.
[17:42] <shane2peru> any advice on setting a mysql-server password, should it be left blank?
[17:42] <Fade> good luck with that. lol
[17:42] <judgen> aoupi: start synaptic and look in "other plattforms" section or what ever its called in english
[17:42] <Lamego> shane2peru, no, that is not safe
[17:42] <shane2peru> from a security perspective?
[17:42] <shane2peru> Lamego, ok, that is what I needed to know, thanks
[17:42] <Zambezi> shane2peru: Ask in #mysql but blank is really stupid in my opinion.
[17:43] <shane2peru> Zambezi, I just didn't know if it was kind of like the sudo, with no root password
[17:43] <shane2peru> I'm not very server savvy. :)
[17:43] <aoupi> judgen: I'll try the hfsplus package
[17:43] <shane2peru> thanks Lamego Zambezi
[17:43] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:45] <Zambezi> shane2peru: It's like leaving your door unlocked. So use a good one or write it on a note if you unsure. That at least better than blank.
[17:46] <aoupi> judgen, Fade, seems like you can disable the journal temporarily, thanks' for your help
[17:46] <Fade> n'p
[17:46] <Fade> let me know if that works.
[17:46] <Fade> I wasn't aware of the option on the mac.
[17:46] <shane2peru> Zambezi, right, thanks
[17:47] <Zambezi> shane2peru: Your welcome.
[17:49] <DanaG> diskutil does have a disablejournaling option.
[17:52] <Zambezi> 378 users online. I bet it wasn't that many three-four weeks ago when Hardy still was alpha. :-P
[17:54] <W8TAH> Zambezi: not sure why you would expect ther to be lots more then -- at alpha stage its not useable
[17:54] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[17:54] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[17:54] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[17:54] <ravalox> I'm using a geforce 8800
[17:54] <jbroome> !resolution | ravalox
[17:54] <ubotu> ravalox: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[17:55] <judgen> aoupi: no problems.
[17:55] <W8TAH> ravalox: make sure (if there is one) that you are using the restricted driver for that as well
[17:55] <W8TAH> that solved my problem
[17:55] <judgen> im off to play some kobo. PM if you want anything
[17:55] <Zambezi> W8TAH: I just meant it's cool people trying it.
[17:56] <ravalox> I have, I have the nvidia driver running.
[17:56] <ravalox> It plays Quake Wars great on a different monitor.
[17:57] <xngear> what is usual time to respond to bug report? is it comman that bug reports are ignored?
[17:57] <phillipsjk> Hmm. Reproducing my calculator bug setp-by-step, I find the severity is now a "feature enhancement". (It works as documented, but not as I expect)
[17:57] <ravalox> This is something fundamental about the new Ubuntu; I can't play with xorg like I used t o.
[17:58] <pascalFR> hi,  anyone to confirm bug #217181  ?
[17:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217181 in kdebase "[hardy] numlock light does not work as expected on kde3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217181
[18:00] <joumetal> xngear: Time to get response depends on bug. Could you give bug number?
[18:00] <AzaTht> can't kill wvdial :(
[18:00] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed xubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:00] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: no change regarding sox
[18:00] <xngear> joumetal bug 219743
[18:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219743 in linux "4 GiB of RAM installed, ~3.8 GiB reported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219743
[18:01] <AzaTht> anyone around "accidentally" using an Huawei modem?
[18:01] <jbroome> that's gotta be a 32 bit os
[18:01] <xngear> jbroome: dont assume and jump to conclusions
[18:01] <jbroome> but i have my jumping to conclusions mat right here!
[18:03] <AzaTht> * #ubuntu :You can't join that many channels
[18:03] <AzaTht> WTF
[18:03] <jbroome> AzaTht: there's a chan limit on freenode
[18:03] <Pici> AzaTht: Are you in 20 channels already?
[18:03] <AzaTht> yea ツ
[18:03] <Pici> There you go
[18:03] <AzaTht> chan-limit, gah
[18:03] <Jessicatz> misusing katakana as misley
[18:03] <Jessicatz> smiley
[18:03] <Jessicatz> it burns
[18:03] <AzaTht> hehe
[18:03] <Pici> Jessicatz: This is a support channel, do you have a question?
[18:04] <Jessicatz> just kidding
[18:04]  * Pici scratches his head
[18:04] <Jessicatz> Pici: yes, I asked already
[18:04] <DaemonLee> Are there any major bugs left in the Hardy Heron RC?
[18:04] <Jessicatz> Pici: and I'm waiting for my conversation partner to answer, thank you
[18:04] <Pici> Jessicatz: ah
[18:04] <jbroome> xngear: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13582405/C%3A\untitled folder\free.log  shows 4gb ram
[18:05] <Pici> jbroome: 4036592 is actually 3.84 gb
[18:06] <aoupi> Fade: disabling journal worked like a charm :)
[18:08] <DaemonLee> Are there any major bugs left in the Hardy Heron RC?
[18:09] <Pici> DaemonLee: Some people in here seem to think so
[18:09] <DaemonLee> Pici, could you describe any?
[18:10] <DaemonLee> I'm trying to think if I should do the RC or do the 2-days-till-upgrade-one. :-D
[18:11] <aquo> hi
[18:11] <DanaG> I wish they'd fix the **** scheduler.
[18:11] <bluefoxx> ok, i was told before that the hard disk drivers were switched to the scsi drivers as they were more stable but now my hdd shows up as hda again...this being after one of my actual scsi drives clicked out last night and i had to screw around for a hour in fstab to get it going again[the computer, not the drive] after it failed and i rebooted it was mounting my main[boot] hard disk in the place of the failed[and removed] scsi driv
[18:11] <bluefoxx> e!.
[18:11] <aquo> i tried the release candidate with qemu (boot from cd), but it didn't work ...
[18:12] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I installed a newer sox from the debian repos, it has all the format supports
[18:12] <aquo> when i boot, i got lost with some initramfs busybox shell.
[18:12] <bluefoxx> and is it possible for usb disks to show up as something other than /dev/sd*? cause otehrwise my sata, scsi and usb disks all get mounted to the wrong places -. -
[18:12] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Never install Debianpacks on Ubuntu.
[18:13] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: sorry, it works
[18:13] <Jessicatz> :P
[18:13] <DanaG> /dev/disk/by-id/
[18:13] <DanaG> makes it easier.
[18:13] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I'm aware that it voids my warranty
[18:13] <bluefoxx> /dev/ed* or /dev/ud* perhaphs? for "external disk" or "usb disk"?
[18:13] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade and se if it complains.
[18:13] <akk> bluefoxx: My disks are all showing up as /dev/hd*, but that might be because I'm running my own kernel.
[18:13] <DanaG> Creating Properties window.
[18:13] <DanaG> You can stop this operation by clicking cancel.
[18:13] <Pici> !uuid | bluefoxx
[18:13] <ubotu> bluefoxx: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[18:13] <DanaG> WTF?
[18:14] <DanaG> vol_id -u works too.
[18:14] <akk> bluefoxx: but you can hack your udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d to have specific names for each usb disk
[18:14] <Kirrus> !wtf > DanaG
[18:14] <bluefoxx> akk: well my generic kernel fried and "rt" works again. this after last updates installed two older kernels and toasted my "rt" kernel
[18:14] <DanaG> WTF isn't offensive... it's common language.
[18:14] <bluefoxx> akk: that sounds good :)
[18:15] <DanaG> Spelling it out is a different matter.
[18:15] <akk> DanaG: don't look at me, look at Kirrus
[18:15] <akk> oh, you didn't, sorry
[18:15] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: You can break you entire installation if you packages for another OS cause it depends on other versions.
[18:15] <Kirrus> its in ubotu for a reason... I won't discuss this on a public channel :)
[18:15] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, pidgin ignores "preferred applications"
[18:16] <Kirrus> if you want to, message me
[18:16] <DanaG> Whatever.
[18:16] <pen> is there a app to display detail information about a mp3 file ?
[18:16] <strtok> good morning, has anyone gotten the proprietary ATI drivers to work with a Radeon HD 2400? My system goes black on boot and then reboots itself. This breaks in 7.10 and 8.04
[18:16] <DanaG> Or perhaps I'll use "WT*"
[18:16] <DanaG> or WT-
[18:16] <jiphex> Hi I've got a problem with the Hardy RC installer, when i boot off the livecd I get an error when gnome starts "Failed to start HAL", and the installer won't start
[18:17] <bluefoxx> akk: which file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ do i edit?
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: I tihnk I had the same problem
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: the installation wasnt finished
[18:17] <Jessicatz> jiphex: did it reboot at some point?
[18:17] <jiphex> this is on the livecd
[18:18] <akk> bluefoxx: Probably 60-persistent-storage.rules though I don't know what 61-persistent-storage-edd.rules is
[18:18] <Jessicatz> jiphex: h
[18:18] <Jessicatz> jiphex: no clue hten
[18:18] <DanaG> "Creating properties window" -- fine, just show me the window!
[18:18] <DanaG> I just want to set what application opens that file type!
[18:18] <DanaG> ARGH!
[18:18] <bluefoxx> hmm...connection to archive.ubuntu.ca and archive.ubuntu.com failed...wtf?
[18:19] <akk> bluefoxx: If you get it working, write it up and put it on the web ... there's not enough clear udev documentation available
[18:19] <Lamego> bluefoxx, change your mirror
[18:19] <bluefoxx> akk: will do
[18:19] <jiphex> I thought it might be a dodgy cd but this is the second i've burnt and the md5 is correct
[18:19] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: it didn't complain
[18:19] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: does that mean sometihng?
[18:19] <maxb> I've seen 3 machines today fail a do-release-upgrade because ubuntu-desktop was marked for removal by apt. Does anyone know off hand if there's a launchpad bug about this already?
[18:19] <bluefoxx> akk: i think ill test is out on my other machine once i get a pata disk to boot from though :\
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: what mirror should i use?
[18:20] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: Depends. Hard to say.
[18:20] <Lamego> bluefoxx, us.
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: i allready switched from the ca one to global one :/
[18:20] <bluefoxx> Lamego: kk
[18:20] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: ok I lied, sox appearently doesn't support all formats
[18:20] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: it supports many, but not mp3
[18:20] <aquo> did somebody test the ubuntu release candidates with Qemu?
[18:21] <Zambezi> Jessicatz: I have no such problems.
[18:21] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: :(
[18:21] <BlakeSmith> Anyone have some insight into why I cannot change desktop icons?  I've deleted everything in /home and have seen no change.
[18:21] <bluefoxx> O.o, it suddenly connected :0
[18:21] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: what icons are you talking about?
[18:22] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: icons of documents/folders that were in your home folder?
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> Jessicatz, icons for folders everywhere
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> and icons in my menus
[18:22] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: wait, you went into /home and deleted the folder with your username as title?
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> no
[18:22] <BlakeSmith> all of the hidden settings files
[18:22] <Jessicatz> okay, and why?
[18:23] <Jessicatz> what did you try to accomplish
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> because i've had this problem for weeks
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> because i am not able to change my icons or themes
[18:23] <Jessicatz> it works fine for me in xfce
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> so i figured a settings file was corrupted
[18:23] <Jessicatz> are you using gnome?
[18:23] <BlakeSmith> in gnome
[18:24] <IamReck> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I am getting the error message "Unable to enable desktop effects at this time" When I try to go from None Visual Effects to Normal.
[18:24] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  I can boot hardy with kernal 2.6.22-14, but not with the new kernal 2.6.24-16.  Can anyone help me boot into the new kernal?
[18:24] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: so if you change the icon theme in the theme manager, no icons are changing, right?
[18:24] <DanaG> .... STILL hasn't shown the properties window!
[18:24] <DanaG> Aaargh!
[18:24] <BlakeSmith> Jessicatz, yea
[18:24] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: well that puts me straight out of ideas :/
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: I have some themes that don't change every icon, only some
[18:25] <BlakeSmith> i've tried every icon theme installed, no change
[18:25] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: did you restart X after deleting the .folders?
[18:25] <BlakeSmith> yes
[18:25] <akk> tawt: where is it stopping?
[18:25] <DanaG> Oh, it's waiting on gnome-video-thumbnailer.
[18:26] <Jessicatz> BlakeSmith: sorry :<
[18:26] <tawt> akk:  it just goes to a black screen and stays there
[18:26] <BlakeSmith> i've also ran gnome-appearance-properties in term and watched for some errors, nothing
[18:26] <DanaG> I don't need no stinkin' thumbnails.
[18:27] <tawt> akk:  i usually let it load for about 5 minutes, but it never takes that long on the old kernal
[18:27] <Jessicatz> yea, it doesn't have a "dont thumbnail files over X mb"
[18:27] <akk> tawt: okay, so probably some sort of X problem. You could try disabling gdm so you just boot to a console, then try running X by hand
[18:27] <Jessicatz> DanaG: you could propose that as feature :)
[18:27] <tawt> akk:  how would i do this?
[18:27] <zylche> Question: Are we going to have variable volume control system-wide before the final release?
[18:27] <akk> tawt: or you could try making random changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf (turning off DRI helps on some machines)
[18:28] <zylche> Jessicatz: having that option on is dangerous, I have a 700mb image on here
[18:28] <jiphex> Can someone have a quick look at my dmesg output and see if they can diagnose why HAL won't start? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64015/
[18:29] <akk> tawt: One easy way ... you could rename the gdm program (probably something like /usr/bin/gdm) and then whatever's starting it won't be able to find it
[18:29] <Jessicatz> zylche: yea I said it doenst have that option
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: which I think is necessary
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: oh wait, I'm talking about thunar
[18:30] <zylche> I know, just adding comment to your feature request
[18:30] <tawt> akk:  ok, thanks
[18:30] <Jessicatz> zylche: yea, I would set it to 2mb or so
[18:31] <zylche> Mind you the M-81 spiral galaxy has never looked sharper on a photo.
[18:31] <DanaG> ... it STILL hasn't shown the Properties window.
[18:31] <DanaG> Argh!
[18:31] <DanaG> And I even did 'chmod -x /usr/bin/gnome-video-thumbnailer/'
[18:31] <DanaG> What gives?
[18:32] <DanaG> Haven't they heard of error checking?
[18:32] <akk> jiphex: maybe it's unhappy with your sound card for some reason
[18:32] <Jessicatz> DanaG: did you kill that process?
[18:32] <DanaG> I killed it and it came back.
[18:33] <Jessicatz> Zambezi: I found out the reason, it was because apt didn't install any of the libsox-fmt-* packages
[18:35] <DanaG> Oh heck, I even linked it to /bin/true... and STILL it didn't show it.
[18:36] <DanaG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
[18:36] <DanaG> HULK SMASH!
[18:37] <sahak> hello
[18:38] <bluefoxx> ok, i made the change to /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules but cant test it yet, i am converting a video for my sansa so i will test it after. but if anyone is interested i will pastbin the change
[18:39] <bluefoxx> this is regarding making usb and firewire disks show up in /etc/ differently from scsi disks, useful if you use sata/scsi disks in your system and forget to unplug a usb drive on bootup[otehrwise it could get mounted to the wrong space by fstab :\]
[18:41] <bluefoxx> akk: heres my modification http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64018/
[18:43] <strtok> anyone know what fglrx driver heron installs if you ask it to install proprietary drivers?
[18:43] <rbrunhuber> the hardy setup offers encrypted lvm for a complete partition can i get this manually to?
[18:43] <rbrunhuber> out of the setup?
[18:44] <DanaG> Why does pidgin ignore my default browser setting?
[18:45] <dethstar> hows an 8800GTS do with 8.04?
[18:45] <ravalox> It does great
[18:45] <ravalox> I have an 8800
[18:45] <dethstar> alrighty
[18:45] <dethstar> cool
[18:45] <dethstar> I'm about to install with one
[18:45] <sahak> if I upgrade to hardy from 7.10, do I have to do anything after the general release of Hardy  on April 24th?
[18:45] <ravalox> Nvidia drivers get my stamp of quality so long as they aren't a geforce 5xxx
[18:45] <Pici> !final | sahak
[18:45] <ubotu> sahak: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[18:45] <aquo> did anybody try the release image with qemu?
[18:46] <aquo> i didn't work for me.
[18:46] <dethstar> am I going to have to go out and grab some drivers or anything?
[18:46] <aquo> it would be really sucking, if the release images wouldn't work with qemu.
[18:47] <sahak> I am upgrading to Hardy Heron now
[18:48] <Prez00>  what's the scoop on Hardy RC?  compared to 7.10?
[18:49] <Pici> Its a new version
[18:49] <Pici> Prez00: see release notes in topic
[18:49] <Prez00> I mean, stablewise, mostly
[18:49] <Prez00> ?
[18:49] <aquo> does anybody care about my problems with the RC and qemu?
[18:49] <aquo> it is nothing that can be fixed with package-updates later on.
[18:50] <sahak> i have to close xchat, because I am upgrading to hardy. bye
[18:53] <aquo> can anybody read this?
[18:53] <bluefoxx> ok, so my change didnt work...
[18:53] <DaemonLee> Yep.
[18:53] <aquo> i am feeling like talking to a wall.
[18:54] <zylche> not really, aquo.
[18:54] <zylche> There's a window as well.
[18:55] <crimsun> aquo: more specifically, please?
[18:55] <proq> aquo: did you try the ubuntu server version and qemu? (I didn't see your post, just joined)
[18:55] <bluefoxx> need to do more research into this subject then. i would truely love to see my usb/firewire drives show up as /dev/ed* instead of mingling with my internal scsi drives[which i have fstab mount on bootup] i think sata would be good as /dev/fd*[fast or high speed drive] as well...
[18:56] <aquo> crimsun: ok, i tried ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso with qemu 0.9.0 as it is available in gutsy
[18:56] <aquo> i checked md5sum
[18:56] <akk> bluefoxx: It certainly can be done ... might just take some more experimenting
[18:57] <bluefoxx> akk: indeed...
[18:57] <aquo> i tried to use same setup of qemu that i used for an gutsy image ... nothing special.
[18:57] <bluefoxx> ./brb
[18:57] <aquo> i am able to boot, and usplash starts ...
[18:57] <proq> aquo: maybe you should try it
[18:58] <aquo> at some point booting stops and i get a busybox bootprompt for initramfs
[18:59] <aquo> proq: try what?
[18:59] <DB42> should both APM and ACPI daemons be running at the same time on my laptop ?
[19:00] <proq> aquo: the server version
[19:00] <bluefoxx> ./back
[19:00] <gomoran2> Hello, I'm just ugrading a kubuntu gutsy to hardy. Now all Fonts look ugly (blured and colored), even setting lcd_filter to lcdfilterlegacy does not help (any more). How do I get decent glyphrendering back?
[19:00] <aquo> proq: why?
[19:00] <uberpsyx> hey guys, just installed the hardy beta and 90% of programs i try and run dont load and i get a program crash thing in the system tray and firefox wont load any page other that the router setup even though pidgin works fine. Any ideas?
[19:01] <proq> aquo: because it has a good chance of working, and you could then install the window manager packages you need
[19:02] <StealthCP> Can anyone tell me how to completely remove KDE4?  I have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and kbuntu-kde4-desktop installed.
[19:02] <spidla> hi ... Is anyone here, who has working configuration of ATI fglrx driver with dual-head and composite extension ... with running compiz ? :)
[19:02] <StealthCP> I would like to remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop, but keep the other two.
[19:02] <DB42> can anybody check in X in system->administration->services if both APM and ACPI are running ???
[19:02] <StealthCP> spidla, yes :D
[19:02] <spidla> wow :D
[19:03] <proq> aquo: this has worked for me on two different machines that wouldn't boot the desktop version
[19:03] <spidla> I cant get it working
[19:03] <StealthCP> What card are you using?
[19:03] <spidla> RADEON 9600 Pro
[19:03] <StealthCP> ah, hehe, good card, but not sure dual-head WITH compiz is considered not pushing it a bit :P
[19:03] <ConstyXIV> has anyone else had a wubi install suddenly start dropping to busybox on boot?
[19:03] <StealthCP> Although compiz isn't heavy
[19:03] <aquo> proq: yes, but this means it would be impossible to use the live-system inside the virtual machine. i don't want to install anything.
[19:03] <StealthCP> I don't think it can accelerate video to both screens at the same time.
[19:04] <DB42> can anybody check in X in system->administration->services if both APM and ACPI are running ??? (this can't be hard)
[19:04] <DanaG> Is there any easy way to install without a CD?
[19:04] <DanaG> Like Wubi, but to a partition.
[19:04] <spidla> the situation is this ... I have got fglrx driver working .. Xorg is working well with dual-head and Xinerama but I cant enable Composite extension needed for compiz
[19:04] <uberpsyx> anyone got an answer to my question? im kinda desperate, got an english essay in for tomorrow >_<
[19:04] <ravalox> Hey, I've got myself a graphical pickle; I installed Ubuntu 8.04 and everything works well; EXCEPT it won't let me select a resolution higher than 800 by 600
[19:05] <ravalox> I used xrandr to add a new modeline
[19:05] <ravalox> But the new modeline (1024) doesn't work.
[19:05] <ravalox> I have an 8800
[19:05] <spidla> any ideas ? :)
[19:05] <katakaio> ravalox: Have you tried editing your xorg.conf file?
[19:05] <ravalox> I have the nvidia driver running.
[19:05] <ravalox> That was my first idea
[19:05] <uberpsyx> ravalox, i had that problem, to sort, go synaptic and install envy, then uninstall the nvidia drivers
[19:05] <ravalox> but the new xorg for 8.04 isn't wise to that notion.
[19:05] <ravalox> It doesn't have resolutions.
[19:05] <bluefoxx> ravalox: i had a 8500
[19:05] <katakaio> ravalox: You can add a resolution line
[19:06] <ravalox> What is envy?
[19:06] <uberpsyx> ravalox, then when you boot back up install the drivers again
[19:06] <bluefoxx> ravalox: are you using nvidia-glx-new?
[19:06] <Ronald> Does anybody have a clue how to get java and other plugins to work on FF2?
[19:06] <proq> aquo: hmm.. you probably should have mentioned that in the first place
[19:06] <ravalox> Yes I am
[19:06] <katakaio> It comes with little or no configuration, but you can add a res line just like the old days
[19:06] <ds187_> hello there. i have hardy installed and i'm using the latest nvidia driver via the envyng gui. now i've heard that it is better to stick to the binary-drivers within the repository, because newer driver doesn't mean better drivers..........how do i do this, because i can't find the restricted-drivers-icon in the system menu
[19:06] <uberpsyx> ravalox, a program to install/uninstall nvidia and ATi drivers
[19:06] <ravalox> aaaah, I may just try that then
[19:06] <bluefoxx> ravalox: well thats all i could suggest...
[19:07] <katakaio> ravalox: I would look at an xorg file from a previous version for the template
[19:07] <uberpsyx> so i guess noone can solve my problems :'(
[19:07] <ravalox> I have just such a file I can refer to.
[19:07] <bluefoxx> surprisingly, the 512mb 8500gt pcie was not noticibly better than my 256 pci 6200OC :/
[19:07] <ravalox> That was a helpful idea
[19:07] <katakaio> Perfect - I hope it works! (It worked for me . . . )
[19:08] <aquo> proq: i think the main problem is the amount of memory i relocated for the virtual machine ...
[19:08] <uberpsyx> can someone atleast tell me why all my apps keep crashing?
[19:08] <aquo> proq: i didn't expect the system to stop working correctly without announcement. 256 mb memory seems to be not enough. it is a shame.
[19:09] <aquo> it should annouce "not enough memory for running" ...
[19:09] <aquo> +n
[19:09] <proq> aquo: well if that doesn't work your best bet is to wait for someone to release an image of hardy for qemu
[19:11] <uberpsyx> please?!? anyone!?!? *cries of desperation*
[19:11] <Pici> uberpsyx: Do you get errors?
[19:11] <aquo> proq: i think the main problem is, that it is very complicated to install systems manually the same why like the installer does (starts with localization things and ends with different daemon-configs) ...
[19:11] <Arby> crimsun: fire away, what do you need me to try
[19:11] <crimsun> Arby: ok, so according to that output, the daemon's already running.  Please pastebin the output from `paplay -v /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, yer, refering to .so files
[19:12] <Pici> uberpsyx: Is this an upgrade/
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, different depending on the app im opening
[19:12] <uberpsyx> pici, yer
[19:12] <aquo> proq: normally i install with debootstrap ... but if you install with debootstap and aptitude install ubuntu-desktop you don't get the same configuration as with installing with the live-cd
[19:12] <MTecknology> How hard is it to upgrade to 8.04 from cli?
[19:12] <proq> aquo: you mean, building ubuntu from scratch?
[19:12] <MTecknology> X always seems to freeze on me
[19:13] <mnemo> today I got an update of the "update-manager-core" itself but when I try to install this update it starts with the installation but then aborts saying that I actually don't have any updates after all? does anyone have this problem?
[19:13] <Pici> MTecknology: Should be easy, just by using sudo do-release-upgrade (or at least thats how it was from feisty to gutsy)
[19:13] <aquo> proq: not building, just intalling. debootstrap, than install ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop ...
[19:13] <proq> aquo: that's true it does take a bit of work
[19:13] <MTecknology> Pici, ty
[19:13] <Pici> aquo: Perhaps there are jeos images available for Hardy?
[19:13] <aquo> but the result is not the same like installing with the live system.
[19:13] <proq> aquo: on the other hand the experience can save you from a jam later
[19:13] <DanaG> OOh, 73 updates.
[19:13] <DanaG> Will have to read changelogs later.
[19:14] <Pici> uberpsyx: Did you by chance use Automatix on your previous install?
[19:14] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2703
[19:14] <uberpsyx> pici, nope
[19:14] <DanaG> I don't install updates until I've read the changelogs.
[19:14] <axion> btw ubuntu do-release-upgrad took a whole day
[19:14] <Pici> uberpsyx: Can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[19:14] <uberpsyx> pici, sure
[19:14] <axion> for me at least a whole day
[19:14] <aquo> axion: fetching the binarys or installing?
[19:14] <axion> both..
[19:15] <axion> it was like other os..
[19:15] <Ronald> So i take nobody cares about firefox-2 working properly with plugins ?
[19:15] <axion> upgrading and re-upgrading
[19:15] <aquo> axion: it is no problem to first fetch all the binaries and then update faster.
[19:15] <crimsun> Ronald: what's the issue?
[19:16] <crimsun> Arby: `pgrep -x pulseaudio'
[19:16] <Ronald> ff-2 doesn't use any plugins. flash is mentiond as the only one in about:plugins, and even that doesn't work
[19:16] <uberpsyx> pici, ah, for some reason firefox wont connect to any web pages ¬_¬
[19:16] <axion> it did several upgrades of the same package
[19:16] <crimsun> Ronald: what do you mean "it doesn't work"?
[19:16] <crimsun> Ronald: inaudible audio?  jerky video?  [..]
[19:16] <Ronald> not listen, not enabled
[19:17] <Ronald> ff2 keeps popping plugin not installed prompts
[19:17] <Ronald> tries to install it trough the nifty interface. which obviously fails cus the packages are installed
[19:17] <crimsun> Ronald: what path is used for the Flash plugin according to about:plugins?
[19:17] <Pici> uberpsyx: Does apt complain about poorly configured packages or anything?
[19:17] <Arby> crimsun: two results 7718 and 8030
[19:18] <uberpsyx> pici, no, nothing, its really random
[19:18] <crimsun> Arby: pastebin `ps auxw|grep pulseaudio'
[19:18] <uberpsyx> pici, im more worried about the fact firefox isnt getting any web pages other than the router im connected to :9
[19:18] <axion> the integrated upgrade attachment of ff 3.0b5 won't work when installing java
[19:19] <Arby> aargh, where's the pipe on a us keyboard
[19:19] <axion> I mean the ubuntu installer that firefox uses doesn't work correctly.. whe installing sun-java-6
[19:19] <Arby> liveCD has gone to a us keyboard
[19:19] <DanaG> Pipe is on backslash.
[19:19] <axion> Arby, do you have a large or a small backspace key ?
[19:20] <Arby> large
[19:20] <Arby> shift +\ gives me >
[19:20] <DanaG> Odd.
[19:20] <Arby> yes
[19:20] <Arby> very
[19:20] <axion> with small backspace to the left of the backspace, with large backspace, underneath the backspace key
[19:20] <DanaG> I've only ever used US and US International.
[19:21] <DanaG> ... and Sun Type6, which is a beast of its own, simply in key locations, not in software layout.
[19:21] <user0423> i did all the kde icons for the gnome menus... is there some way i can save the menu file so i dont have to ever do it again? or maybe i could send it to somebody... it took like 3 hours
[19:21] <Arby> found it shift + #
[19:22] <crimsun> Arby: well, the output is just needed for confirmation, but you can `pkill pulseaudio'
[19:22] <crimsun> Arby: next, pastebin `pulseaudio -vv'
[19:23] <DanaG> # is a separate key?  Odd.
[19:23] <axion> and with a large backspace key the us layout id in between the enter and the backspace key..
[19:24] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2706 and http://paste.stgraber.org/2708
[19:24] <axion> the # key is non capitalised on certain international keyboard
[19:24] <Ronald> crimsun: flash started to work, but i don't need flash for my dayjob ;P Java is the clue... compare http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-About%20Plug-ins%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png and http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-About%20Plugins%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox%203%20Beta%205.png
[19:24] <Arby> actually it's to the left of enter on this laptop, however I digress
[19:25] <axion> depends on the shape of the enter key..
[19:25] <axion> if you have a l-shaped enter key and a small backspace key, it's next to the backspace key..
[19:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> Is my  SiS  661/741/760 PCI/VGA card compatible with compiz/beryl if not what other options are available to me "excl. buying new card"?
[19:26] <_ZeuZ_> Guys is there any performance drop after installing Qemu?
[19:27] <axion> if you have a horizontal barshaped with a long enter and backspace key.. in between the two..
[19:27] <axion> if you have a vertical elongated enterkey..  next to it
[19:27] <crimsun> Arby: you'll need to kill 8031 8030 7719 7718
[19:28] <axion> have to go to the movies..
[19:28] <axion> laters/
[19:29] <Arby> crimsun: all killed
[19:29] <mrtimdog> When connecting (with Nautilus) to other machines via sftp (which is used when you enter a location prefixed with ssh:), is there any way of hiding all of the vfs mount points from both the Nautilus browser and the desktop?
[19:29] <crimsun> Arby: now, as the ubuntu (live cd) user - NOT as root - pulseaudio -vv
[19:29] <_ZeuZ_> Guys is there any performance drop after installing Qemu?
[19:30] <Flare183> _ZeuZ_: There isn't supposed to be any.
[19:30] <Baby_Shambl3s> Is my  SiS  661/741/760 PCI/VGA card compatible with compiz/beryl if not what other options are available to me "excl. buying new card"?
[19:30] <Arby> crimsun: http://paste.stgraber.org/2711
[19:31] <_ZeuZ_> Flare183, well, I'll try... there isnt any glitch with AMD64 nor with x86_64 right?
[19:31] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: you can always disable desktop effects and thereby not use compiz at all
[19:31] <Flare183> _ZeuZ_: Not that I know of, but I would ask or google it before you try it.
[19:32] <crimsun> Arby: it's due to hal not exposing any ALSA or OSS devices, because it couldn't find any
[19:33] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: thats not the point at the moment i cnat use desktop effects, i want to know if the card is compatible if so how would i make it work if not what other options do i have?
[19:33] <crimsun> Arby: `lspci -nv|grep -A 040[13]'
[19:34] <Arby> crimsun: grep invalid context length argument
[19:34] <crimsun> sorry, -A1
[19:34] <crimsun> Arby: ^
[19:35] <Arby> crimsun: no output
[19:35] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: if you disable desktop effects compiz is not started at all (at I think that's how it works)
[19:35] <crimsun> Arby: and which type of sound card is available to the vm?
[19:36] <Arby> crimsun: this lappy has 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[19:36] <hwilde> on boot it says   * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.loca)   [fail]                    how can I find out why?
[19:36] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: I cnat use desktop effects and dont know why thats why im aksing about my card if i turn it on nothing happens it just turns itself off
[19:36] <crimsun> Arby: right, that info is not exposed to the vm at all.
[19:37] <crimsun> Arby: is the vm configured to make an audio device(s) available?
[19:37]  * Arby checks
[19:37] <crimsun> Arby: that is, the host's audio device
[19:37] <Arby> apparently not, but I don't know why
[19:37] <Arby> I'd expect that to be on by default
[19:37] <Arby> and I didn't turn it off
[19:37] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: everytime i try desktop effects i get "Desktop effects could not be turned on" no other explanation so could you help me
[19:38] <crimsun> ok, well, that's the root of the bug you reported in -testing
[19:38] <crimsun> Arby: ^
[19:38] <Arby> yes I realise that
[19:38] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: i had a problem where my gfx card was blacklisted by compiz for a while because the driver wasnt mature yet... is that case I got similar symptoms... for that case if was an if statement in the shell script /usr/bin/compiz which automatically exit:ed if a certain PCI ID was found
[19:38] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: maybe you can try to figure out how much of that shell script actually runs in your case
[19:38] <Arby> crimsun: I have had trouble getting sound on this laptop (Thinkpad R61i), are you aware of any known problems
[19:39] <crimsun> Arby: yeah, there are lots.  What's the host running?
[19:39] <Arby> kubuntu hardy
[19:39] <crimsun> Arby: does audio work in the host?
[19:39] <Arby> no I never could get it to work
[19:39] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: if i knew how or where to start figuring it out I wouldnt be asking here :(, what i need is soemone to point me in the right direction as i dont know why I cnat use desktop effects
[19:40] <Arby> crimsun: if I play something in amarok it appears to play but I can't here anything
[19:40] <crimsun> Arby: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash.
[19:40] <Arby> I've dug into alsa as far as I'm able
[19:40] <Arby> oh I'll try that
[19:40] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: if you run "ps x | grep compiz" do you see a line printed containing "compiz.real" ??
[19:42] <Arby> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/993571
[19:43] <Arby> wish I knew about that script before
[19:43] <Arby> still know idea what's up
[19:43] <Arby> I've checked for muted channels and all the obvious things
[19:43] <Arby> s/know/no
[19:43] <Arby> alsa is black magic to me
[19:44] <crimsun> ah
[19:44] <crimsun> well, that's a shame.
[19:44] <joan_> what need I to do i order to get icons in the Desktop in Hardy?
[19:45] <afallenhope> is there a reason why my system jacks up after going on standy?
[19:45] <crimsun> Arby: sec, I need to look at hardy's lum source
[19:45] <Arby> ok
[19:45] <Pici> joan_: What icons?
[19:45] <Ronald> crimsun: more quite descriptive screenshots: http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot.png http://www.hummelink.net/Screenshot-Plugin%20Finder%20Service.png (repeat)
[19:45] <Arand> anybody what the status is with Bug #192888, is the "proper" fix gonna make it into hardy?
[19:45] <dystopianray> afallenhope: what do you mean by 'jacks up'?
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192888 in pulseaudio "firefox crashes on flash contents" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888
[19:45] <joan_> all, Pici
[19:45] <crimsun> Arand: it will not make it into the image released this week, no.
[19:45] <joan_> I can't see any icons of the stuff in Desktop, Pici
[19:46] <crimsun> Arand: i.e., get more people to test my bzr fix.
[19:46] <Pici> joan_: Running Gnome?
[19:46] <crimsun> Arand: then we possibly have a chance of getting it into the point release 3 months from now
[19:46] <joan_> Only the blue wallpaper. No, it's Kubuntu, Pici
[19:46] <Pici> joan_: Ah, KDE... I'm not sure, sorry.
[19:46] <Guthix> if i download and install the hardy rc can i update that through update manager when the actually official one comes out?
[19:46] <joan_> ok, thanx anyway
[19:46] <Pici> !final > Guthix (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[19:47] <Guthix> thx :-D
[19:47] <dystopianray> joan_: what icons do you want? home and trash and what not?
[19:47] <afallenhope> dystopianray: after in goes to "sleep" I can't recover the state
[19:47] <afallenhope> I have to press + hold the power button
[19:48] <Pici> joan_: You may be able to find someone to help in #kubuntu-kde4 though
[19:48] <joan_> dystopianray, I want icons for every thing in the Desktop folder, as usual
[19:48] <crimsun> Arby: please enable the modem in the bios.
[19:48] <dystopianray> joan_: i know how to do it but i've forgotten, give me a second
[19:48] <Arby> crimsun: hmm, I'll try. biab
[19:49] <dystopianray> joan_: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/* ~/Desktop/
[19:50] <minimec> afallenhope: Try to google for "hibernate ubntu <your video card" maybe you find something
[19:50] <Arand> crimsun: Okay. What was that "bzr fix"" you were talking about?
[19:50] <thatGuy_> Pici: how long is the ban for?
[19:50] <HelloWorld1> hello, did anyone use remastersys before?
[19:51] <Pici> thatGuy_: Its a forward.
[19:51] <thatGuy_> it's a ban.  how long is it for?
[19:51] <Pici> thatGuy_: We can talk about it in #ubuntu-ops
[19:51] <thatGuy_> Jack_sparrow banned me
[19:51] <thatGuy_> ok
[19:51] <joan_> dystopianray, nothing happened. Zero icons in Desktop :(
[19:51] <mnemo> crimsun: if two computers have the exact same PCI ID for their audio devices does that mean they have the exact same soundcards then (I mean does it mean they have same hda chipset even etc)?
[19:52] <dystopianray> joan_: go to system settings -> desktop -> behaviour
[19:52] <dystopianray> joan_: make sure 'show icons on the desktop' is set
[19:52] <crimsun> mnemo: PCI IDs are useless, unless you mean the SSIDs.  Always use the SSIDs for PCI devs.
[19:53] <mnemo> crimsum: the SSID is the "1234:1234" numbers printed by "lspci -n" ?
[19:54] <rutter> hey, I'm using 8.04 and I'm having audio mixing problems
[19:55] <mnemo> rutter: describe your problem? what's not working?
[19:55] <Arby> crimsun: the modem is already enabled
[19:55]  * Arby <- confused
[19:55] <rutter> I can't run an application like banshee and then run a game or flash video and get audio
[19:56] <rutter> its always the first application which seems to get priority
[19:56] <Arand> Does the "recently closed tabs" in FF3 work for anybody else?
[19:56] <rutter> once I quit that application the audio is open for other applications to us
[19:56] <rutter> use*
[19:56] <rutter> its like I'm using OSS or something :P
[19:57] <pkunk> rutter: That's intentional for flash...
[19:57] <rutter> pkunk: ?
[19:57] <dystopianray> but flash uses alsa
[19:58] <aquo> which version of firefox is in the release candidate for hardy?
[19:58] <dystopianray> aquo: firefox 3 beta 5
[19:58] <rutter> aquo: beta 5
[19:58] <pkunk> rutter: you need libflashsupport for simutanious sounds because pulseaudio
[19:59] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: runnign command ps x | grep compiz gives me  6158 pts/4    S+     0:00 grep compiz
[19:59] <rutter> well what about other applications
[19:59] <aquo> ah, ok. nice, seems to be update ;)
[19:59] <rutter> pkunk: well what about other applications
[19:59] <pkunk> rutter: should be fine if they use pulse instead of alsa
[19:59] <rutter> pkunk: for example, there is a game that I play called Spring that has the same problem
[20:00] <v0lksman> hey all!  I can't seem to get a network printer setup.  Right at the end of the process (using Printers -> Add new from Admin menu) I get asked for a user/pass..I provide my own creds but it just keeps asking...is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
[20:00] <mnemo> Baby_Shambl3s: that means that compiz isnt even running so probably your system tries to start the shell script "/usr/bin/compiz" but for some reason this shell script exists before it ever gets to the point where it's suppose to start the ELF binary compiz.real (which is the actual compiz program)
[20:00] <rutter> pkunk: so I need to find out what they use
[20:00] <aquo> what is the minimal RAM requirement for hardy RC desktop live cd?
[20:00] <Arby> crimsun: modem already enabled and still no sound
[20:00] <rutter> pkunk: has pulse not been fully implemented yet or something?
[20:01] <crimsun> Arby: sec, I'm discussing an audio issue ATM
[20:01] <pkunk> rutter: yep. I don't know if hardy has pulse enable sdl availlable
[20:01] <Arby> ok sorry
[20:01] <daekdroom> pkunk: you need to install libsdl-pulseaudio to enable
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: seems a bit late, its a RC not an alpha
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: this should be final product standard
[20:01] <daekdroom> it'll uninstall libsdl-alsa and you'll be able to play games and listen to music XD
[20:01] <rutter> pkunk: :S
[20:02] <daekdroom> and really.
[20:02] <pkunk> rutter: mee too...
[20:02] <ether_c> I think there's also something like "libsdl-all"
[20:02] <ether_c> that worked for me
[20:02] <aquo> does the brainwash, aehm brainstorm site have it's own irc-channel?
[20:03] <Baby_Shambl3s> mnemo: ive been looking around it seems the card wont run with compiz why no one knows but there must be a way to get at least some basic effets with it, still if you cna suggest something than i'll try it
[20:03] <minimec> rutter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio You could check, if pulseaudio is installed and configured correctly
[20:03] <maxb> What's the difference between do-release-upgrade and update-manager, other than one being GUI and the other console?
[20:03] <rutter> minimec: thanks
[20:03] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: what video card do you have?
[20:03] <maxb> Because do-release-upgrade aborts for me after calculating the upgrade, but update-manager seems happy to proceed
[20:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray:  [SiS] 661/741/760
[20:05] <mvo> maxb: do-release-upgrade runs in server mode by default (can be changed with --mode) - this means that it will e.g. not install missing meta-packages again for you
[20:05] <Ergo^> evenin
[20:05] <Ergo^> am i right you are tlking about messed upgrade ? :D
[20:05] <mvo> Ergo^: what happend?
[20:06] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: does this print anything? glxinfo | grep GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[20:06] <Ergo^> mvo - it seems 2 packages are missing synaptic gets 404 on them
[20:07] <Ergo^> apt_0.7.9ubuntu17_i386.deb, apt-utils_0.7.9ubuntu17_i386.deb
[20:07] <mnemo> maxB: update-manager showed updates for me this morning but when I click "Install" it aborted and refused to install anything... when I ran "sudo apt-get upgrade" which also tried to install the same available package (which was in fact a update-manager-core package) but that also didn't work because "apt-get upgrade" would just say that this package was "being kept" back... then I ran "sudo apt-get distr-upgrade" and everything worked fine... i think
[20:07] <mvo> Ergo^: have you tried to click reload and then upgrad eagain?
[20:07] <v0lksman> frig...user privleges...how do you make a second user that is as privileged as the user created during setup?
[20:07] <Ergo^> to be precise
[20:07] <Ergo^> mvo:  yes ive tried many times, and on 2 pc's
[20:07] <mvo> Ergo^: what mirror do you use?
[20:07] <dystopianray> v0lksman: make sure they are in all the same groups as the initial user
[20:08] <Ergo^> tp://pl.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:08] <v0lksman> so there is no script to do it?   just manually compare?
[20:08] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray:  http://pastebin.ca/993613
[20:08] <mvo> mnemo: that was most likely a transient issue when a new update-manager was released there was a time window when the archive was not in sync
[20:08] <maxb> mvo: But....     parser.add_option("--mode", dest="mode",default="desktop",
[20:08] <mvo> maxb: for do-releases-upgrade?
[20:08] <dystopianray> v0lksman: /etc/adduser.conf
[20:09] <maxb> mvo: That's from the hardy.tar.gz that do-release-upgrade downloaded for me
[20:09] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: i'm only seeing a blank white page off that site
[20:09] <aquo> when i install with debootstrap, ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop, is there some way to add a user in the same way like the desktop-installer does?
[20:09] <JDahl> I am trying to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 using "update-manager -d" as outlined in the topic,  but I keep getting the error "current dist not found in meta-release file". Any alternative upgrade methods?
[20:09] <mvo> maxb: right, please check /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade, it has "  parser.add_option ("-m", "--mode", default="server","
[20:09] <aquo> and also do the same configuration like the installer?
[20:10] <v0lksman> dystopianray:  thanks!
[20:10] <mvo> JDahl: what does ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release-development look like for you?
[20:10] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone know how I would install the binary 'java' on hardy?
[20:10] <Ergo^> UnNaturalHigh: by synaptic ?
[20:11] <Ergo^> sun-java6-bin ?
[20:11] <JDahl> mvo, that file does not exist,  I only have meta-release
[20:11] <strtok> can someone take a look at this dpkg output? I'm not quite sure how to diagnose my problem -- i'm trying to install the fglrx drivers: http://rafb.net/p/TJU3Zl42.html
[20:11] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....it is installed
[20:11] <UnNaturalHigh> strange
[20:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: o_0 huh? http://pastebin.ca/993613 there it is again
[20:11] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: it doesn't work, i only see a white page
[20:11] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: try a different pastebin
[20:12] <mvo> JDahl: hm, and you run update-manager -d without sudo (if you use sudo the file is in /var/lib/update-manager IIRC)
[20:12] <JDahl> mvo, actually I do use sudo
[20:13] <mvo> JDahl: could you please check if it works better without?
[20:13] <Arand> Does the "recently closed tabs" in FF3 work for anybody else?
[20:13] <daekdroom> yes
[20:14] <Ergo^> Arand: i dunno - but firebug started to function :D
[20:14] <mnemo> jdahl: I had a similar problem this morning, my regular pre-release hardy updates refuses to install... it fixed itself after I wrote "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal though
[20:14] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: well this should work  http://pastebin.com/d72db4f60
[20:15] <Arand> daekdroom: alright, then that's another bug to add to my pot...
[20:15] <JDahl> mvo, now it works, but I did two things.  I purged update-manager-core and reinstalled it,  and then I ran update-manager without sudo
[20:15] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: ok, so that's good
[20:15] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: it seems to have what is needed for compiz
[20:15] <mvo> JDahl: ok, I think the "without sudo" was the bit that fixed it (also it should work with sudo too :/
[20:16] <mvo> JDahl: please let us know how the upgrade goes
[20:17] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: yup but it dont work why i have no clue, ts not working :/ stupid card it has everything so why wont it work and its not blacklisted
[20:17] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: probably has some flaw that prevents compiz from working
[20:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> dystopianray: hmmm...? im about to give up unless you cna suggest something im going to revise
[20:18] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: is this a mobile ati one?
[20:18] <dystopianray> Baby_Shambl3s: i'd suggest giving up, compiz is not worth it
[20:19] <daekdroom> It was a pain to me to get compiz working. It's not worth!
[20:19] <rutter> hey again, I installed pulseaudio as suggested and rebooted my PC as as per the instructions provided. It fixed most of my issues, but there is still a problem with a game of mine, however, now it doesn't get any audio
[20:20] <jiphex> Hi, just installed Hardy but I get "Failed to initialise HAL" when i boot, inside gnome.
[20:20] <daekdroom> jiphex: I've that same bug.
[20:20] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s:  have you tried "echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes > ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager" already?
[20:20] <daekdroom> Do you have a TV/Capture card?
[20:20] <osteenbergen> Does anyone also have a not working battery indicator (panel + acpi)? Mine reports empty battery but its must be atleast 50% full
[20:20] <jiphex> daekdroom: me?
[20:20] <daekdroom> yes.
[20:20] <jiphex> yeah I do
[20:21] <jiphex> compiz videomate thing
[20:21] <daekdroom> Hm. run lsmod | grep saa7134
[20:21] <daekdroom> just tell me if something shows up
[20:21] <jiphex> yes
[20:21] <jiphex> stuff
[20:21] <daekdroom> saa7134 module doesn't like kernel -16
[20:21] <jiphex> ah ok
[20:21] <daekdroom> That's a bug that was reported for a while.
[20:21] <jiphex> i'll remove the card then
[20:21] <Ktron> I was running Xgl with 7.10 to get Compiz-Fusion working, and after the upgrade its much choppier; do I still need to be running Xgl?
[20:21] <jiphex> since i don't use it
[20:22] <daekdroom> jiphex: unload the module if you do.
[20:22] <Ktron> I remember there was talk about Xorg eventually incorporating everything Xgl was necessary for
[20:22] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: nope havent tried that what does it do?
[20:22] <dystopianray> Ktron: what video card?
[20:22] <jiphex> how would one do that?
[20:22] <daekdroom> HAL control stuff like printing system too.
[20:22] <daekdroom> hm.. rmmod saa7134
[20:22] <daekdroom> saa7134-alsa too.
[20:22] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: that isnt a terminal command where do i use that?
[20:22] <jiphex> kk
[20:22] <jiphex> brb
[20:23] <Ktron> dystopianray, I want to say Radeon x1400? I can check for certain, but I'm using fglrx at the moment
[20:23] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: overwrites all blacklist/whitelist settings and force it to try to start - if your card is not supported it will crash then (so be careful with it)
[20:23] <dystopianray> Ktron: xgl is faster than aiglx with fglrx
[20:23] <UnNaturalHigh> anyone here know how to get the java binary installed?
[20:23] <Prez00> For people in the know, what do you make of this guy's comments, I went to look at the bugs and they all seem pretty serious for average users to figure out: http://lwn.net/Articles/279111/#Comments
[20:24] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: do you need a particular version of java?
[20:24] <Ktron> dystopianray, then what might have changed my performance? Is the new Xorg just slower with Xgl than the old one?
[20:24] <Prez00> I can pretty much "fix" them following instructions, but most people will not..
[20:24] <dethstar> why is it that one minute my screen resolution will be 1280x1024, and then the next it'll be 1024x768?
[20:24] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, well we are supposed to use the latest from Sun
[20:25] <dethstar> now it's 1024x768 and it won't let me change it in the menu
[20:25] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, I've install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk but still no java binary
[20:25] <Ktron> dystopianray, and should I go look at the ATI binary drivers again? do they work better with aiglx (or xgl for that matter) now?
[20:25] <zniavre> +9.
[20:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: nope that dont work i guess my card is just not supported #compiz channel just said so :(
[20:25] <dystopianray> Ktron: fglrx is the ati binary drivers
[20:25] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: sorry for that :/
[20:25] <Ktron> dystopianray, sorry, my bad
[20:26] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: try: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[20:26] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: np wasted too much time on this going to revise for finance exam :/
[20:26] <UnNaturalHigh> dystopianray, thank you!
[20:27] <dystopianray> UnNaturalHigh: do you just need to run java programs or are you programming in java as well?
[20:28] <jiphex> daekdroom: Fixed now I removed the card thanks
[20:28] <daekdroom> Np
[20:29] <mvo> Baby_Shambl3s: good luck with that
[20:30] <Andycass1> If i install 8.04 RC, do i have to reinstall once the full comes out?
[20:30] <Pici> !final | Andycass1
[20:30] <Andycass1> mm?
[20:30] <daubers> hey all, I can't seem to access my virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-fX)
[20:30] <Baby_Shambl3s> mvo: thanx will need it
[20:31] <daubers> Can anyone shed any light on this (it's in hardy, but I don't know where to start looking)
[20:31] <Pici> Andycass1: Ack, just do your regular check for updates process and you'll be running the most current version
[20:31] <Andycass1> aah, thanks :)
[20:31] <ubotu> Andycass1: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:34] <dethstar> why is it now that I've installed the nvidia drivers... my screen resolution wont go above 1024x768?
[20:35] <dethstar> it went up to 1280x1024 before.
[20:36] <magnetron> !fixres | dethstar
[20:36] <ubotu> dethstar: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[20:36] <dethstar> I've restarted X.
[20:37] <ether_c> has anyone gotten mac spoofing to work with iwl3945 in hardy?   For some strange reason, I can change my mac address but the card just refuses to "work" after that. It doesn't do anything
[20:37] <ether_c> http://pastebin.com/f6160513
[20:38] <dystopianray> ether_c: i seem to recall that it is a known issue with the card
[20:39] <ether_c> dystopianray: ah, I thought it was a little weird..
[20:39] <dystopianray> ether_c: maybe try a less radical mac change, such as incrementing the last number
[20:39] <ether_c> hmm.. ok
[20:39] <ether_c> back in a bit
[20:45] <ether_c> dystopianray: I'm back
[20:45] <ether_c> you were right
[20:45] <ether_c> I changed it just a little
[20:45] <ether_c> and it worked this time
[20:46] <ether_c> but the connection is really messed up
[20:46] <dystopianray> macchanger has options to make smaller changes to the mac address
[20:46] <dystopianray> experiment with them a bit
[20:46] <dystopianray> ether_c: messed up in what way?
[20:46] <ether_c> "connected to <wireless network> at 6~
[20:46] <ether_c> and that ~ number keeps changing
[20:46] <ether_c> at least that's what it shows in wicd
[20:47] <rutter> hey, I'm trying to set up pulseaudio for work with my openal games. However, it doesn't seem to be working. I've created a ~/.openalrc and pasted (define devices '(sdl)), but it doesn't work.
[20:47] <ether_c> also, the router gave me a very different ip in comparison to the ones it normally gives
[20:47] <ether_c> but hey, at least it works
[20:47] <dystopianray> ether_c: how different of an ip?
[20:48] <ether_c> dystopianray: 1.111 when I normally get 1.101 or 1.102
[20:48] <ether_c> no big deal
[20:48] <ether_c> I'm gonna go play with it some more
[20:48] <ether_c> thanks for the help
[20:49] <dystopianray> ether_c: maybe you've got leases on those addresses from playing around with mac addresses
[20:49] <ether_c> dystopianray: probably
[20:53] <py3k-er> 2 days to go! ;)
[20:54] <dystopianray> 1 day according to ubuntu.com
[20:54] <py3k-er> Ubuntu 8.04.1 is planned for July 3rd
[20:54] <py3k-er> how do they know an update would be necessary?
[20:55] <dystopianray> if somehow there are no updates needed them i'm sure they'll delay it
[20:55] <gluer> py3k-er: coz its not ready in time
[20:55] <py3k-er> ready?
[20:56] <py3k-er> so this release is going to be unstable?
[20:56] <py3k-er> and would need an update some time in the summer
[20:56] <py3k-er> suspicious
[20:56] <py3k-er> i thought LTS includes the fact that this release is going to be very stable
[20:57] <darthanubis> lol
[20:57] <py3k-er> :)
[20:57] <darthanubis> nowhere is that even implied
[20:57] <dystopianray> LTS just means that it's going to be supported for longer than other releases
[20:57] <dystopianray> not that it is more stable
[20:57] <bbernie> anyone here successfully get the juniper networks vpn client working under 8.04
[20:57] <darthanubis> basically
[20:58] <darthanubis> !vpn
[20:58] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[20:58] <py3k-er> i think i dug a text saying that LTS releases are very stable
[20:58] <gluer> py3k-er: I just had this image in my mind of all these coders locked in a basement! sweating, biting nails, furiously trying to get everything ready by the 24th LOL
[20:58] <bbernie> its a shared library issue
[20:58] <py3k-er> not sure where exactly was i foolin' around :)
[20:58] <darthanubis> !sense | py3k-er
[20:58] <ubotu> py3k-er: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[20:58] <stefg> I've got a brand new box, and set up my video partition as soft-raid0 on xfs. hdparm -Tt tells me ~120 MB/s , but if i copy a file from another disk i just get around 14 MB/s :(  . (core2 duo e 8200, gigabyte motherboard, latest hardy kernel) Anyone can tell me where to look to track down the issue ?
[20:59] <py3k-er> gluer lol
[20:59] <py3k-er> howdy partner ;)
[20:59] <PedanticSteve> is there a way I can find out the version of the "atl1" Ethernet driver included in teh Hardy kernel?
[21:00] <PedanticSteve> (without downloading Hardy to find out)
[21:00] <gluer> py3k-er: stuck in a pressure cooker
[21:01] <gluer> lol
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> PedanticSteve: it will be the one shipped with the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:02] <dystopianray> stefg: is the other disk connected to the same controller?
[21:02] <dystopianray> stefg: what does hdparm say about the other drive's speed?
[21:02] <PedanticSteve> nosrednaekim: ok, let me ask another way then... how can I find out what version of a drive is shipped with the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:02] <rutter> hey I'm having trouble getting my openal applications to work with pulse audio
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> PedanticSteve: excellent question....and... I don't know :) maybe ask in #linux
[21:03] <PedanticSteve> thanks
[21:04] <stefg> dystopianray: the other drive is my old pata drive, now in a quick-change tray on the IDE port of the board. i know it can do 60 MB/s
[21:04] <stefg> but lemme check ...
[21:05] <stefg> yup ... hdparm tells me 60 MB/s for the pata drive
[21:09] <dystopianray> stefg: what if you copy from the pata drive to itself? and from the soft-raid filesystem to itself?
[21:09] <stefg> let's see
[21:10] <fevel> I have a very bad sound after upgrading to beta
[21:10] <fevel> anyone else have sound issues?
[21:10] <darthanubis> !sound
[21:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:12] <stefg> dystopianray: 50 MB/s on copy xfs-soft-raid0 to itself (give all the head movement necessary that seems reasonable)
[21:14] <dystopianray> stefg: and the pata drive?
[21:14] <dystopianray> stefg: also try copying from the raid to the pata drive
[21:15] <stefg> dystopianray: ahh.... the pata is the bottleneck .. copying some iso to itself it just does 11 MB..
[21:15] <dystopianray> stefg: what filesystem is it?
[21:15] <stefg> dystopianray: the old pata had ext3 (untuned), while the new raid0 is xfs (as said)
[21:17] <fevel> sound is noisy and corrupt
[21:17] <dystopianray> stefg: is dma enabled for the pata drive?
[21:17] <Pelo> good afternoon folks
[21:18] <stefg> dystopianray: libata used... so no hdparm -d1 possible. but i think i got a starting point now, thanks for the input. i know where to look now
[21:19] <Pelo> If I'd like to do my bit by seeding the torrent for the official i381 hardy dvd  , would I have to wait for the official release on thursday or do would I get it ahead of time ? anyone knows
[21:19] <ryancr> I am attempting to install the hardy heron RC, but its telling me I have 'no devices' to install it to, I even tryed gparted on the live cd, same thing.
[21:19] <Pelo> ryancr, sata hdd ?
[21:19] <ryancr> I know I have a device to install to as I have a working version of gutsy on it
[21:19] <ryancr> yes
[21:20] <Pelo> ryancr, check in the forum some sata drives seem to be difficult altho i have never experienced it myself
[21:20] <Pelo> !sata
[21:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:20] <ryancr> Pelo, ok I had the same problem with the beta, was hoping the rc would fix it ;)
[21:21] <Pelo> ryancr, did you also have the same issue with previous releases ?
[21:21] <Pelo> you should have
[21:21] <starscalling> RAWR
[21:22]  * Pelo throws some raw meat at starscalling 
[21:22] <ryancr> Pelo, no, I install gutsy on this machine without problems
[21:22] <Pelo> that's a bit odd
[21:22] <ryancr> it sure is
[21:22] <fevel> does anyone have a choppy sound?
[21:24]  * Pelo taps on his portable mp3 player 
[21:24] <Pelo> fevel, nah, it's ok here
[21:24] <stefg> fevel: killall pulseaudio, set the players to use alsa directly. pilseaudio is a source of constant annoyance in the state it is in yet
[21:24] <fevel> I am using alsa
[21:24] <ryancr> Pelo, I see in dmesg>>  end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[21:25] <ryancr> I don't have a floppy drive though
[21:25] <stefg> pulseaudo makes flash crash, makes sound choppy and tends to hang....
[21:25] <ryancr> Pelo, and I can't find anyting about sda,sdb in dmesg
[21:25] <Pelo> ryancr, I'm not the one to tell about this, I'm useless with hardware issues
[21:25] <fevel> how can i check if using pulse audio?
[21:25] <ryancr> Pelo, ok, I'll just talk out loud here and see if anyone answers... ;)
[21:26] <fevel> it says (alsa mixer) on volume ontrol
[21:26] <Pelo> ryancr, wasn'T there something in the forum about going in the bios and turning off dma during the installation ?
[21:26] <Pelo> fevel, menu > system > prefs < sound
[21:26] <ryancr> Pelo, hmm haven't found that one yet, but ill look into it, thanks
[21:27] <Pelo>  later folks
[21:28] <iMatter> Uhm DHCP doesnt work
[21:28] <iMatter> and because of that i cannot connect to internet
[21:28] <iMatter> dhclient dhcpd nor dhclient-script work...
[21:28] <iMatter> so i cant manually do it either..
[21:28] <iMatter> oh icanhas that patch didnt fix problem
[21:28] <iMatter> its me not getting an IP thats the problem
[21:29] <ichat> question- if i wanted to use hardy to set up a network,  equivalent to say a novel netware env or ms active dir.  -   what should i be looking for,
[21:31] <ichat> if i try to google it,  i realy only find a lot about  setting it up with samba - but i dont really desire a non- native network structure -  as if i wanted a ms active dir.  i wouldn't have atempting to switch to linux
[21:32] <gluer> ichat: i'm replacing my netware servers with ubuntu end of this year
[21:33] <whiteeagle> is there a way to update to hardy rc using the command line
[21:33] <whiteeagle> not using the update-manager, because that dialogue window just got freezed
[21:34] <whiteeagle> its white, and it cannot be close
[21:34] <whiteeagle> I closed it with force quit
[21:34] <whiteeagle> !upgrade
[21:34] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:35] <Mimi> xD it's released Thursday (right?) might as well wait for the real thing :D
[21:35] <ichat> gluer - could you explain a bit what to look for...
[21:35] <whiteeagle> opera warns me that this site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes uses an outdated encryption method which is no longer classified as secure.
[21:36] <whiteeagle> I must continue with accept
[21:36] <jbroome> omg hax
[21:37] <whiteeagle> so, how to upgrade to rc with the command line
[21:37] <whiteeagle> *not* with the update-manager
[21:37] <dethstar> how about some flash for hardy?
[21:38] <dethstar> could someone point me inthe right direction?
[21:38] <Anon178> For Intrepid (or even Hardy), I reckon it would be a good idea if the forums were linked to in the Firefox bookmarks toolbar. When I first used Linux, I used to search on Google for "Linux acer aspire" or "Linux Nvidia drivers" and you'd be presented with messages from a mailing list archive with instructions for Red Hat 6.2. I think it would be great if users were pointed directly to the forums.
[21:38] <Anon178> dethstar: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:39] <dethstar> ty
[21:39] <whiteeagle> anyone???
[21:39] <Anon178> whiteeagle: there is one, i'll just have to find it
[21:39] <Odd-rationale> does hardy have a new gdm theme?
[21:39] <ichat> Anon178:  -  meaning as a search plugin or what
[21:40] <Mimi> Yes it does Odd
[21:40] <Odd-rationale> Mimi: cool?
[21:40] <Anon178> whiteeagle: enable the "dapper-proposed" repository   install the new "update-manager-core" package - dependencies include python-apt, python-gnupginterface and python2.4-apt.   run "do-release-upgrade -d" in a terminal window   follow the steps on the terminal window
[21:40] <Anon178> whiteeagle: those were from the release notes for the Hardy Heron Beta
[21:41] <whiteeagle> dapper-proposed??
[21:41] <Anon178> echat: Just a link in the bookmarks toolbar - alongside "Getting Started" and "Latest Headlines".
[21:41]  * Lifeisfunny wanders over to the greeters table, grabs a name tag and with magic-marker in hand, writes his name in .......... "there!"
[21:41] <whiteeagle> I am upgrading from gutsy
[21:41]  * Mimi draws kitteh face on funny's tag
[21:41] <whiteeagle> oh
[21:41] <whiteeagle> ok
[21:41] <Anon178> sorry - wrong section
[21:41] <whiteeagle> ok ok
[21:41] <Anon178> you need to do sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:42] <whiteeagle> ???
[21:42] <Lifeisfunny> NOW, WHERE"S THE HORS DUERVES  :)
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> since tranmission replaces gnome-bt-download, will an upgrade remove gnome-bt-download?
[21:43] <Anon178> go to Applications > Accessories > Terminal. Enter "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" (without the quotation marks) and press [Enter].
[21:43] <Anon178> All updates will be downloaded and installed.
[21:43] <strtok> Â/w 3
[21:43] <whiteeagle> that doesn't work Anon178
[21:43] <ichat> Anon178:  - why not a custom start page - something like custom google with some  search the forums and all links in there...
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I just copied an pasted
[21:44] <jbroome> sudo do isn't a command
[21:44] <whiteeagle> and it doesn't work
[21:44] <ichat> caurse if you want that you can allways set it up urself
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I am unable to get exclusive lock
[21:44] <jbroome> sudo update-manager -d
[21:44] <whiteeagle> and nothing is running in the background
[21:44] <jbroome> also !update
[21:44] <whiteeagle> jbroome: I don't want that, I already told you that
[21:44] <whiteeagle> I want it via the command line
[21:45] <_ZeuZ_> I need rt73 module, but I can't find it through Hardy repos... any solution that comes through your mind guys?
[21:45] <whiteeagle> because the dialogue frezees
[21:45] <Anon178> when it copied and pasted, did it copy the hyphens between the words. Try just running "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[21:45] <strtok> hello, anyone running hardy with a geforce 6600 LE? I'm wondering if anyone has had success with it
[21:45] <Anon178> it should then say no later release available.
[21:45] <Anon178> strtok: Have you tried installing the Nvidia drivers?
[21:45] <ichat> ZeuZ_ its a fairly easy autoconfig   - just downloade the lastest from  the  RTxx website
[21:45] <whiteeagle> ok
[21:46] <whiteeagle> it works now
[21:46] <whiteeagle> thanks Anon178
[21:46] <whiteeagle> sorry for being a noob
[21:46] <_ZeuZ_> ichat: I need the official (privative one) not the free one..
[21:46] <Anon178> no problem ;) - i've asked much more stupid questions in my time
[21:46] <whiteeagle> bye
[21:46] <whiteeagle> I'll let you know
[21:46] <whiteeagle> when i'll update
[21:47] <ichat> hmmm - never used thate here so i dont really familiarwith it :srry
[21:47] <Anon178> _ZeuZ_: I'm also unfamiliar with the hardware, but a Google search gave me these instructions: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless
[21:50] <_ZeuZ_> Tried those allready
[21:52] <ichat> ZeuZ_ why do you 'need' the privated on (wpa2 ?)
[21:52] <talavis> kubuntu alternate rc and today's daily alternate just shows a blank screen after choosing check cd or install, any ideas what to do?
[21:53] <_ZeuZ_> ichat: That, and that the free one is unstable here... dunno why, but tried on my debian box, with those, and worked perfectly fine.
[21:55] <_ZeuZ_> is there any way to download a precompiled one?
[21:55] <happytiger> Any chance the iwl3945 and wpa2 enterprise will start to work any time soon?
[21:55] <ichat> hmm, hard to say what that couldn't cuze that machine is the only one i havn't switcht yet... but dont Ralink  offer  autogen packages anymore
[21:56] <ichat> zuez - not sure hav'nt seen ubuntu packages for it either (yet) - but im quite sure that they'll get here soon enouth... -
[21:57] <lord_alan> I have found a problem installing Hardy beta (and previous Alphas) on a Clevo M670SU
[21:57] <ichat> still afraid that you might need to  do it manually  f t t b
[21:58] <llama_> Hi
[21:58] <llama_> Does anyone know how I add my MP3 player/phone to linux so I can add songs
[21:58] <llama_> I am running 8.04 Rc..
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> llama_ depends on the phone
[21:59] <llama_> its a sony
[21:59] <_ZeuZ_> that does not bring too much info to the table xD
[22:00] <kahrytan> Why did they remove custom Visual Effects from Appearance applet?
[22:00] <_ZeuZ_> llama_ you could try cobex, gammu
[22:00] <zboy417> hi everyone...i have Ubuntu 8.04 and am wondering if the update in update manager for the GeForce2 MX/MX 400 fixed the bug
[22:00] <zboy417> the bug that won't let it go above 800x600
[22:01] <jbroome> !resolution | zboy417
[22:01] <ubotu> zboy417: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:02] <mojo> My keyboard's number pad is not working in X on hardy RC, amd64.  Works fine in a VT but not an x term.  No math or numpad-enter keys either.  How do I change the kbd settings for X, and where can I find a good way to pick the right one (my kbd is HP SK-2505)
[22:02] <zboy417> my friend contacted Ubuntu and they said that my Video card had a driver bug on 8.04
[22:02] <redwhitewaldo> how do i get skype on 8.04?
[22:02] <redwhitewaldo> please advise soon
[22:03] <Gnine> jockey-gtk wasnt displaying/allowing restricted drivers. updating grub to use latest kernel version fixed it. grub still is not auto-updating here.
[22:03] <_ZeuZ_> apt-get install skype
[22:03] <_ZeuZ_> Gnine: update-grub
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> _ZeuZ_: it's not there
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> _ZeuZ_: oh, it is
[22:03] <redwhitewaldo> thanks
[22:04] <_ZeuZ_> lol, no problem ^^
[22:04] <zboy417> thanks...i tried update-grub and the update
[22:04] <zboy417> and am now going to reboot
[22:04] <mojo> !resolution | mojo
[22:04] <cyclonut> anyone else amazed at how frequently flash video crashes firefox?
[22:05] <cyclonut> cause I am
[22:05] <Gnine> thanks for suggestion, _ZeuZ_
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... I'm using Flock for my flash
[22:05] <acidBURN> is evolution improved in 8.04 ? (much!)
[22:05] <cyclonut> nosrednaekim: flock eh? have not heard of it... how oes it work?
[22:05] <stefg> cyclonut: chances are that it's a pulseaudio issue... try 'killall pulseaudio' before starting firefox and check if you still get crashes
[22:06] <cyclonut> stefg: will try.
[22:06] <jbroome> acidBURN: i check it every time i update distros and haven't been impressed yet.  Thunderbird works great for me
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> cyclonut: its based on firefox 2, so very very well
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> cyclonut: its really justa  bunch of plugins on top of firefox 2
[22:06] <acidBURN> great, but can you remove evolution with out breaking gnome
[22:06] <cyclonut> ah, I see
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh..
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> I plugged in my phone
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> and it crashed
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> linux
[22:06] <Auctionedllama> everything froze..
[22:07] <kahrytan> Linux didnt crash
[22:07] <mojo> cyclonut::  seems better to me since upgrading, but i got the latest flash relase and the 3.0b5 not too far apart so i can't say which has helped
[22:07] <zboy417> ok...that update didn't work
[22:07] <Jaymac> i installed network-manager 0.7 a while back - what is the easiest way to downgrade? plug in with ethernet and remove network manager completely? then remove the ppa repo and reinstall it?
[22:07] <zboy417> its still 800x600
[22:08] <Gnine> evolution is acting slow but havent had any crashes.
[22:08] <iMatter> Ive traced my problem...
[22:08] <iMatter> its all around dhcp3-server
[22:08] <cyclonut> stefg: wow, 5 videos later and no crashes after killing pulseaudio!
[22:08] <iMatter> it fails to start
[22:08] <cyclonut> stefg: I still get sound too, which seems weird to me
[22:08] <iMatter> i even tried purging dhcp3-server
[22:08] <zboy417> why would my video card not be working correctly?
[22:08] <iMatter> when it tried stopping it it failed...
[22:08] <iMatter> then afterwards re-installed a backup i cpied before i purged
[22:09] <kahrytan> cyclonut-> thats cuz it wasnt default last release and you probably reverted back
[22:09] <iMatter> and it still failed to start/stop
[22:09] <Gnine> pulseaudio has not given me any problems. you might have hardware/driver issues
[22:09] <iMatter> HELLO?
[22:09] <mojo> zboy417::  did you search ubuntu forums about it or the launchpad to find the bug you're talking about?  if the bug was fixed, it should be marked as such
[22:09] <cyclonut> interesting...
[22:09] <kahrytan> Gnine->  upgrade or clean install?
[22:10] <zboy417> ok...i'll look
[22:10] <Gnine> clean
[22:10] <zboy417> what's the code for looking up system hardware?
[22:10] <zboy417> in terminal
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> zboy417: lshw
[22:10] <zboy417> thanks
[22:10] <kahrytan> cyclonut->  did you upgrade or clean?
[22:10] <cyclonut> kahrytan: clean.
[22:10] <Auctionedllama> Hey uh.. anyone know how I can lower the volume of linux sounds..? Because anything on a website is really low but all the linux sounds are super loud so its really hard to do much online with videos if you get what I mean..
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> Auctionedllama: probably some pulseaudio setting
[22:11] <Gnine> zboy417: you should try running the 'fix xorg' option via recovery mode menu...
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> install the pulse audio mixer
[22:11] <stefg> cyclonut: pulseaudio is just a sond-/server/ that means it does mixing and routing for several applications. *My* fix is to sudo apt-get instal aoss and set FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" in /etc/firefox-3.0/firefoxrc
[22:11] <kahrytan> cyclonut, Gnine  that blows me theory out the water. Pulseaudio still seems to give most trouble with upgraders then clean
[22:12] <Gnine> perhaps.. i actually have had no issues even on upgraded systems
[22:12] <cyclonut> kahrytan: upgrading has always been futile for me
[22:12] <cyclonut> stefg: neat, I'll do that
[22:12] <kahrytan> cyclonut->  hence why i do clean..
[22:12] <Gnine> but i'll second your observation, kahrytan
[22:13] <iMatter> Could anyone help me...
[22:13] <Auctionedllama> nosrednaekm, where can I edit those?
[22:13] <kahrytan> in general, people do tend have the most trouble upgrading then with clean installs.
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: got a more accurate package name for aoss?
[22:14] <stefg> !info aoss
[22:14] <ubotu> Package aoss does not exist in hardy
[22:14] <kahrytan> stefg->  You changed sound server that firefox uses didn't you?
[22:14] <stefg> !info alsa-oss
[22:14] <ubotu> alsa-oss (source: alsa-oss): ALSA wrapper for OSS applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.15-1 (hardy), package size 51 kB, installed size 216 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[22:14] <Gnine> zing
[22:14] <Zambezi> iMatter: Patient is a must if you're going to run Hardy.
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: nm, aoss
[22:14] <cyclonut> stefg: err, alsa-oss
[22:15] <iMatter> Zambezi, Well i know but i havent had internet for about 3-4 days thats alot of money lost
[22:15] <cyclonut> iMatter: you seem to have it now! :)
[22:15] <cyclonut> so congrats
[22:15] <iMatter> Zambezi, when an OS is your main operating system with everything and the kitchen sink in it
[22:15] <iMatter> and then something stops working..
[22:15] <iMatter> cyclonut, im not in Ubuntu..
[22:16] <acidBURN> Q. is the new version 8.04 using less memory than 7.10 or more ?
[22:16] <Gnine> new kernel is more effective imho
[22:16] <Zambezi> iMatter: But then you shouldn't run Hardy. It's not for production.
[22:16] <stefg> kahrytan: considering that flash is still tailored towards OSS i tell firefox to use OSS, and install alsa's oss compatibility layer. somewhat ugly, but a temporary workaround until the bug is fixed
[22:16] <iMatter> Zambezi, Internet Apps
[22:16] <cyclonut> acidBURN: more
[22:16] <iMatter> Zambezi, thats all i really do internet related thing...
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> acidBURN: well, the KDE4 version will use less
[22:17] <Auctionedllama> wowzers.. how come when I rebooted it said I had 63 new updates to get.. but right before I checked and I had none.
[22:17] <kahrytan> stefg->  Sounds like a potential patch work around you got there.
[22:17] <acidBURN> yeah, but kde4 is still ways out
[22:17] <cyclonut> Auctionedllama: it probably was going on old updates when you checked, and actually hit the ser vers this thime
[22:17] <cyclonut> time*
[22:17] <cyclonut> (sorry, fingers fell asleep)
[22:17] <iMatter> Zambezi, well ive taken the time in ubuntu to trace my entire problem down to dhcp3-server not being able to start or stop
[22:17] <Gnine> then you did the wrong business decision.. why jeopardize that with beta software..
[22:17] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:17] <Zambezi> iMatter: Stick to Gutsy or get used to Hardy.
[22:18] <Gnine> bleh
[22:18] <iMatter> Zambezi, i am all i need now is internet
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> okay, probably a dumb question, but weren't Broadcom 4306 chipsets supposed to be supported OTB in Hardy?
[22:18] <iMatter> i love hardy ;)
[22:18] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: yes, they are not.
[22:18] <kahrytan> stefg-> you submitted the idea to community until fix is done?
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> darn
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> I just plugged one in and it sees it, but it isn't working
[22:18] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: there is actually implementation for them, in  the form of ssb, unfortunately, ssb sucks.
[22:18] <GhotiPhud> do I still need to do the ndiswrapper thing?
[22:19] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: thats what I use
[22:19] <cyclonut> GhotiPhud: ssb is nothing but trouble for me - granted, I havent tried it lately.
[22:19] <Gnine> if you turned on your puter and it didnt connect.. most likely you do, GhotiPhud
[22:19] <cyclonut> I'll be wiping & starting fresh when final comes out
[22:19] <GhotiPhud> how would you go about using ssb?
[22:20] <stefg> kahrytan: i remember having seen some threads on the forums already. google is your friend :-)
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> or is that just the default
[22:20] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhud, you need the b43fwcutter
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> ah
[22:20] <Gnine> !wireless
[22:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:20] <kahrytan> stefg->  yeah but does the bug report show it
[22:20] <GhotiPhud> didn't show up in restricted drivers this time
[22:20] <stefg> kahrytan: i got that idea from launchpad iirc
[22:21] <kahrytan> stefg->  oh cool
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhud, just install it.. It will take care of everything
[22:21] <Gnine> sounds logical enuff, stefg
[22:21] <kahrytan> stefg->  but they will make it real patch
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> if you did compile your kernel with it built-in, then you-ll have to restart..
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> okay
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> I'll try it out
[22:21] <GhotiPhud> thanks
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> No problem
[22:21] <_ZeuZ_> Once you have installed it, do modprobe b43
[22:22] <stefg> kahrytan: depends on wether pulseaudio or flashplugin-nonfree is to blame. pulse can be fixed, flash cannot (at least not by ubuntu, just by adobe)
[22:22] <_ZeuZ_> and then iwconfig to see if it's allready up, if not, try ifconfig wlanX up
[22:22] <_ZeuZ_> Talking about Flash, when is it going to be a native 64bits version out there? :(
[22:23] <kahrytan> stefg-> fat chance adobe will do it anytime soon
[22:23] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: How much memory do you got?
[22:23] <_ZeuZ_> 1gb
[22:23] <jimmygoon> !forum
[22:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[22:23] <stefg> _ZeuZ_: write to adobe and complain ... flashplugin- *nonfree* ...
[22:23] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: Then I don't see why you should use 64 bit.
[22:23] <jimmygoon> :(
[22:23] <_ZeuZ_> though, I hate the performance loose on size modifications, and on full ledged window size
[22:24] <Gnine> #ubuntuforums.. right..
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> Zambezi, because of performance?
[22:24] <acidBURN> have they fix flash in firefox?
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> packages not adapted, are not indicator
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> and I compile all with apt-build
[22:24] <Zambezi> _ZeuZ_: Compare to few packages?
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> compare to all, I built my whole KDE, Xchat, and pretty much all I use myself
[22:24] <_ZeuZ_> with 03 (agressive) enhacement
[22:25] <Auctionedllama> Hey, where can I get a converter that converts videos into 3gp?
[22:25] <kahrytan> stefg->  does ff2 carry the problem?
[22:25] <Auctionedllama> ?
[22:25] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, Try theora
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> of fffdshow
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> theora should work lovely
[22:26] <jbroome> try google
[22:26] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:26] <Auctionedllama> uhm is theora in add/remove?
[22:26] <_ZeuZ_> you mean in the repos? I dunno, I use Debian, and they are on debianmultimedia xD
[22:27] <_ZeuZ_> I was testing Hardy, and thought I might be able to help..
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> Auctionedllama: should be installed by default
[22:27] <Auctionedllama> ya, I'm not seeing that
[22:27] <Ergo^> does anyone have problem with flash and no sound ?
[22:29] <_ZeuZ_> I repeat, browse for it in debianmultimedia
[22:29] <mojo> I am still stuck with my keboard problem... none of the GNOME kbd layout settings make any difference, evne though it was set for my keyboard (HP SK-2505 Internet Keyboard).  My NUM PAD works fine in a virtual terminal, but NOT in XWindows.  Eek!
[22:29] <_ZeuZ_> packages for Ubuntu/Kubuntu/*Insert whatever here*Ubuntu are all based on Debian
[22:29] <stefg> kahrytan: don't know. but since the main actors are flash and pulseaudio my guess would be that FF2 will crashh, too
[22:29] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:30] <kahrytan> stefg->  let me test it ... i dont use ff3 due to google
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> lol @ due to google
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> I'm having a bad time with SQL Inject ME
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> talking about that
[22:30] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ so google debianmultimedia?
[22:30] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_-> But its true. I dont use ff3 because of google.
[22:30] <_ZeuZ_> Why's that?
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> Last beta is pretty much stable even with Hotmail AJAX web apps
[22:31] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  Google extension support or lack there of.
[22:31] <GhotiPhu1> did the b43-fwcutter, but now I'm getting 1Mb/s
[22:31]  * stefg is soooo glad to get rid of gutsy
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, it's and advice
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, it's and advance
[22:31] <GhotiPhu1> ??
[22:31] <Ergo^> does anyone else have problem with flash and no sound at all with flash movies ?
[22:31] <_ZeuZ_> now check and paste here the output of iwconfig
[22:31] <Auctionedllama> ??
[22:31] <mojo> Okay, the num pad ALSO works in GDM (tried switch-user), so it's some GNOME thing then???
[22:31] <kahrytan> stefg->  Using Gutsy just proved you were gutsy enough to use Hardy.
[22:32] <GhotiPhu1>  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=27 dBm
[22:32] <_ZeuZ_> paste all the output
[22:32] <mojo> _ZeuZ_::  use pastebin!
[22:32] <stefg> kahrytan: even hardy alpha 5 was already better than that dud round that gutsy represented
[22:32] <_ZeuZ_> He should allready know that
[22:33] <_ZeuZ_> mojo: He should allready know that
[22:33] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_-> ->  Google Sync isnt avail for FF3. And I use it to keep bookmarks insync between dual boots. p.s I will only google based syncs.
[22:33] <mojo> gotcha _ZeuZ_
[22:33] <GhotiPhu1> haha, I knew that
[22:33] <XceII> After using sound for 10 mins, it breaks till i re-boot, is there a work around?
[22:33] <GhotiPhu1> that's why I didn't want to paste it al
[22:33] <Gnine> !pastebin
[22:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:33] <_ZeuZ_> if you don't we wont be able to make sure why is it that way, example: bad signal, high signal noise, low signal strenght
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, well, thingys to be corrected ;)
[22:34] <GhotiPhu1> http://pastebin.com/m25718c78
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> though you can hack the xpi files to be into it
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> I mean, to work around
[22:34] <mojo> some pastebin integration plugin for xchat would be nice :P
[22:34] <_ZeuZ_> mojo, there's allready one
[22:35] <mojo> re-he-ally?  that's flippin cool!
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ ok I downloaded debian multimedia, and instaleld.. now what?
[22:35] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  Just when will google developers fix it..
[22:35] <mojo> know it's name off hand?
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, now update the repos, and you'll find it there
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> not really mojo, but I've seen it
[22:35] <_ZeuZ_> my fellows on debian-es use it
[22:35] <mojo> i'll dig around for it later... first, my number pad must work or die
[22:35] <Auctionedllama> how do I update the repos lol?
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, meh, lazzy boy ;)
[22:36] <kahrytan> Im  running off flash videos on youtube on clean install and pulseaudio
[22:36] <mojo> (and it's playin dead pretty well)
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> sudo apt-get update
[22:36] <GhotiPhu1> does it look good ZueZ?
[22:36] <Auctionedllama> thanks mate
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, for a minut I forgot about you xD
[22:36] <_ZeuZ_> well, the tx rate will not be higher because of not enough transmission in air at time
[22:36] <mojo> kahrytan::  me too, ONLY prob was clean install picked my mobo sound card, had to change pulse and gnome to the audigy
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> try if you can browse confortably, and then we'll messure it
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> ALSA FTL!
[22:37] <GhotiPhu1> it was moving alright when going to pastebin
[22:37] <seamus7> Hi .. after upgrading .. not sure it's the culprit .. but after upgrading, links I click in other programs don't automatically open firefox .. they do nothing ... any help?
[22:37]  * Gnine uses alsa, no issues
[22:37] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, then, there's no apparent problem
[22:37]  * _ZeuZ_ Loves ALSA... He's been using it since Red Hat 6
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> Once again, TX/RX rate means virtually nothing, it's just a way to messure the link quality against signal strenght, and will reflect the maximum ammount of transmited data
[22:38] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ i am looking in add/remove and can't find theora
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> since this value is automatic
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> it will change
[22:38] <mojo> am i correct that pulse still needs something like alsa for the actual output (other than net sinks)?
[22:38] <_ZeuZ_> mojo< I've read that too
[22:38] <kahrytan> mojo->  4th video .. still good.
[22:39] <mojo> pulse is way cool though as compared to esd
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, problem there is that it's not recognizing you're distro, hence it's discargind it...
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> Letme handle a DEB to you
[22:39] <mojo> bbiaf
[22:39] <Auctionedllama> ok
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> still alsa is the most stable one
[22:39]  * mojo is away: Away
[22:39] <_ZeuZ_> not counting developed
[22:39] <jbroome> !away > mojo
[22:39] <Gnine> !theora
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about theora - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <Gnine> tough
[22:40] <kahrytan> Truth Happens .. i like the music in it
[22:40] <_ZeuZ_> ffmpeg2theora is the package you should look for, Auctionedllama
[22:40] <Auctionedllama> on google?
[22:40] <_ZeuZ_> nop, in your system repos
[22:40] <Gnine> and try !synaptic instead of add/remove
[22:41] <_ZeuZ_> (through synaptic or whatever)
[22:41] <Auctionedllama> k thanks mate
[22:41] <kahrytan> I'm on my fifth youtube video ..
[22:42] <_ZeuZ_> kahrytan, what are you testing? ;)
[22:42] <kahrytan> _ZeuZ_->  see if firefox 2 crashes
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> everything seems to work perfect with wireless now.  Thanks!
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> much better than in Gutsy
[22:43] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, no problem, visit us regularily to keep up to dat
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> except that in Gutsy it prompted you to install
[22:43] <_ZeuZ_> Well, that might have been a problem with jockey..
[22:43] <GhotiPhu1> are they going to add that back in with the release?
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> But, I do not know much about *ubuntus architecture for firmware so, I won't talk ;)
[22:44] <GhotiPhu1> ha, understood
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> GhotiPhu1, they should I guess
[22:44] <_ZeuZ_> and since this channel is logged, I think they'll read it
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> hope so
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_, kay I got it, how do I convert vids now
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> maybe I'll just come in every once in a while and suggest it
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> with different names
[22:45] <GhotiPhu1> lol
[22:45] <_ZeuZ_> ffmpeg input.format output.new_format
[22:45] <jbroome> Auctionedllama: seriously?  You're not even going to poke at it first to check it out?
[22:45] <Auctionedllama> jbroome, I am on a tight schedule, and I can't even find it in apps
[22:46] <afallenhope> hey is there a way of just reinstalling ubuntu?
[22:46] <_ZeuZ_> Auctionedllama, Allready wrote you how to do that ;)
[22:46] <NW2190> Hi, I'm trying to install a program called memaid in Hardy and I get an error that, according to the bug report, is fixed by using a .debdiff file. How to use the .debfile though?
[22:46] <_ZeuZ_> patch it
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> patch -p1 patchfile
[22:47] <Heston> hello, i was attempting a fresh install with a custom partition layout when I was told the install might fail because my root partition wasnt 2 gigs. Does this mean ubuntu will try to install everything in root, even if i created a seperate swap, /tmp, /var, /usr, and /home?
[22:47] <afallenhope> it'd be a lot easier to reinstall ubuntu then to figure out what I did and reverse
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> then recompile
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> Heston, it's logical that only base system will go onto /
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> heston, the rest, will go as you partitioned it
[22:47] <afallenhope> Anyone?
[22:47] <stefg> Heston: you failed to tell the installer ...
[22:47] <_ZeuZ_> if you installed a minimal system, you'll have no problem
[22:48] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, then why is it complaining about my root partition, which is aproximately 256 megs, which should be more than plenty
[22:48] <_ZeuZ_> afallenhope, yes, format, and reinstall
[22:48] <afallenhope> ummm...
[22:48] <afallenhope> can the recovery partition do that?
[22:48] <tawt> when i try to run hardy on kernal 2.6.24-16, i get a black screen.  how can i fix this to use the newer kernal?
[22:48] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> if you put /home on seperate partition, you keep all your configuration settings on reinstalls. And further more, you can use !clone steps to clone your packages.
[22:48] <_ZeuZ_> if it was DSL, it would fit there, and space will be not a problem
[22:49] <afallenhope> I don't really want to
[22:49] <kahrytan> !clone > afallenhope
[22:49] <_ZeuZ_> but Ubuntu requires way more than that, even for the base system
[22:49] <afallenhope> I just want to reinstall everything
[22:49] <afallenhope> but keep all the partitions
[22:49] <Heston> thats ridiculous
[22:49] <_ZeuZ_> just format the one that's mounted as /
[22:49] <_ZeuZ_> and keep the rest
[22:49] <jbroome> 256 megs for / ?
[22:49] <kahrytan> afallenhope-> Did you make separate /home?
[22:49] <afallenhope> don't know
[22:49] <kahrytan> default install doesnt
[22:50] <_ZeuZ_> Heston: Try DSL if you want a minimal fast system based on Debian that will run fast even in a 386 with 16mb of RAM
[22:50] <afallenhope> I just popped in the CD dragged the percentage of the hard drive I want it to use
[22:50] <afallenhope> and then click "install"
[22:50] <afallenhope> lol
[22:50] <stefg> Heston: you need to go to manual partitionining and state the mountpoints for your partitions. I see a reason for /boot  and /home as separate ones, but /tmp should be a tmpfs anyway and /var on its own partition might be good on servers, but usually isnt worth the hassle on a home desktop
[22:50] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, this isnt about being minimal, i shouldnt need 2 gigs for a root partition on any distro
[22:50]  * kahrytan always does manual settings.
[22:50] <Heston> stefg, i clearly did that
[22:50] <_ZeuZ_> Heston, well, you would.
[22:50] <_ZeuZ_> Depending on it of course.
[22:51] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  when i try to run hardy on kernal 2.6.24-16, i get a black screen.  how can i fix this to use the newer kernal?
[22:51] <_ZeuZ_> BSD (freeBSD) requires less than 500mb
[22:51] <_ZeuZ_> but, for example, OpenSUSE requires more than 5gb
[22:51] <kahrytan> stefg->  On default ff2 install, it doesnt crash after playing more then 5 videos.
[22:51] <Heston> my debian desktop which im currently using only has a 256 meg root
[22:51] <_ZeuZ_> And with Ubuntu, you cannot personalize what's going to be installed and whats not
[22:51] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_, Iam having some trouble here
[22:51] <Auctionedllama> I typed in ffmpeg hitman1.avi hitman2.3gp
[22:51] <afallenhope> ummm
[22:51] <_ZeuZ_> cat /proc/partitions Heston ;)
[22:52] <stefg> Heston: so if you can reproduce that (with a desktop install) it's time for a bug report. in my case an alternate install works with separate partitions
[22:52] <_ZeuZ_> and of course show us the output
[22:52] <Auctionedllama> and it said "overwrite hitman1.avi?" and I said yes, and then it said it had no input files.
[22:52] <_ZeuZ_> x'D
[22:52] <afallenhope> I did a desktop install I think
[22:52] <_ZeuZ_> man ffmpeg
[22:52] <Auctionedllama> I type man?
[22:52] <Auctionedllama> ogm
[22:52] <_ZeuZ_> that would clear your doubts
[22:52] <_Rambaldi_> i have been asking this for a while now, how do i stop the blockiness in my video when it horizontal pans. its really annoying i have nvidia card
[22:52] <_ZeuZ_> man COMMAND display the manual of the command
[22:53] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  when i try to run hardy on kernal 2.6.24-16, i get a black screen.  how can i fix this to use the newer kernal?
[22:53] <Auctionedllama> kthx mate
[22:53] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, dont believe me? http://pastebin.com/m29fc0657
[22:53] <seamus7> how can I make links in programs open Firefox.. they used to before the upgrade ... specifically I'm talking about pidgin and twhirl .. when I click links in them nothing happens.
[22:53] <Heston> hda1 being the root partition
[22:54] <_ZeuZ_> Hmm, seems more like a SWAP if you ask me ;) if you-re using GNome, then it's not possible since it's allready more than that, so KDE
[22:54] <Heston> no, its gnome
[22:54] <_ZeuZ_> no can do then xD
[22:54] <seamus7> _Rambaldi_ do you have enough RAM? are there many other programs running during the video playback? have you tried playing the video in other video players?
[22:54] <_ZeuZ_> I also use debian, ut with KDE and my apps, I have consumed more than 1gb
[22:54] <Heston> what are you talking about, this is already running perfectly fine
[22:55] <Auctionedllama> _zeuz_ wowzers this is confusing D:
[22:55] <Heston> your root partition will not be effected at all from your desktop environment
[22:55] <Heston> so i have no idea what you're talking about
[22:55] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  Im betting _ZeuZ_  is an advanced user.
[22:56] <Auctionedllama> kahrytan, no idea what that means xD
[22:56] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  so i got something better for you
[22:56] <Auctionedllama> kahrytan, ooo?
[22:56] <cyclonut> quick question: what file do I need to edit (command line) to add software sources?
[22:56] <_ZeuZ_> base installations install all of it to the / root partition
[22:57] <tomd123> are the next few days, bug squasher days?
[22:57] <mojo> jbroome::  [ ] Announce Away Messages now unticked in xchat :) :: reading back..
[22:57] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama-> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/avi+%26+mp4+converter?content=64899
[22:57] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  when i try to run hardy on kernal 2.6.24-16, i get a black screen.  how can i fix this to use the newer kernal?
[22:57] <_Rambaldi_> nothing to do with any of that, i have 4G ram, vlc and mplayer even flash from bbc iplayer, pretty much every video fullscreen seamus7
[22:57] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, only if you do not provide seperate /var and /usr partitions
[22:57] <_ZeuZ_> either way, Heston, your problem is that you cannot personalize the instalation of ubuntu
[22:57] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  Nautilus script that when you right click on a avi/mp4 file, you choose the script and it pops up dialog prefs.
[22:57] <_ZeuZ_> True.
[22:58] <_Rambaldi_> seamus7, if this was windows, i would say i do not have video drivers for my card.
[22:58] <_ZeuZ_> But since they have no tags there I cant check that...
[22:58] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, then why would they offer manual partitioning
[22:58] <Auctionedllama> kahrytan, I need to be able to convery to 3gp
[22:58] <Auctionedllama> *convert
[22:58] <_ZeuZ_> Heston> you can manage partitions, not packages to be installed
[22:58] <jbroome> mojo: :) thanks
[22:58] <Heston> which allows me to set the appropiate mount points
[22:58] <Heston> _ZeuZ_, that is irrelavent
[22:58] <_ZeuZ_> Still Ubuntu Basefiles are way more heavy than 256mb
[22:58] <_ZeuZ_> check the repos and check their sizes
[22:58] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  it converts avi/mp4
[22:59] <Auctionedllama> to any file?
[22:59] <mojo> jbroome::  you know if it's an xchat or irc server (channel) setting?
[22:59] <Bassetts> hi, since yesterday my usb flash drives will not automount, they show up under Places but I have to go to Places > FlashDriveName in order for it to mount and appear on the desktop
[22:59] <seamus7> _Rambaldi_ is it just one particular video file or all videos you play?
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> Bassetts: perhaps a problem with automount?
[23:00] <_Rambaldi_> all videos
[23:00] <Auctionedllama> kahrytan, both download links are dead
[23:00] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  no
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> or, with hal
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> Bassetts, try /etc/init.d/hald restart
[23:00] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: well I have checked all the automount properties and permissions, all seem fine
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> Bassetts, try /etc/init.d/hald restart
[23:00] <Auctionedllama> the first one just give me code kahrytan,
[23:00] <_ZeuZ_> then plug it in
[23:01] <mojo> I read ubotu's clone info, but wonder if it is safe to appy a package list from gutsy to a fresh hardy?  or is it meant for recovery and replication only?
[23:01] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  crap. doesnt do 3gp
[23:01] <Auctionedllama> mann
[23:01] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  which is the program.
[23:01] <mojo> (i have such a package list and just did a clean install)
[23:01] <Auctionedllama> huh?
[23:02] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama-> bash script
[23:02] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: sudo: /etc/init.d/hald: command not found do you mean hal?
[23:02] <Auctionedllama> ok, well can you possibly find me one that does do 3gp?
[23:02] <Auctionedllama> I am googling for one ATM
[23:02] <_ZeuZ_> dang, yes hal
[23:03] <Bassetts> ok _ZeuZ_
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> I renamed it so it's hal-demon
[23:03] <_ZeuZ_> daaaaaaaaamn, 3 hours left till I finally get Core Impact...
[23:03] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  I wish people would stop referring people to command line
[23:03] <Auctionedllama> found one, its a tar.bz2, how do I install it?
[23:03] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: not helped =( I did not think it will, system has been restarted since then
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> wait a sec
[23:04] <_ZeuZ_> lettme see something
[23:04] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  no.
[23:04] <Auctionedllama> ??
[23:05] <_ZeuZ_> Bassetts: install hald-addon-storange
[23:05] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: does not exist
[23:05] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  the link .. converter is a bash script.. no binary
[23:06] <_ZeuZ_> it indeed does... It's shown that way in ps ax, though I don't know the package name
[23:06] <Bassetts> oh I see
[23:06] <Auctionedllama> but you said it doesn't convert 3gp?
[23:06] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: it shows up in ps aux
[23:06] <Some_Person> What is PulseAudio?
[23:06] <_ZeuZ_> Bassetts, try killing the process
[23:06] <_ZeuZ_> and then reboot
[23:06] <_ZeuZ_> the problem might be at the sessions
[23:07] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: the laptop has been restarted a number of times since the problem started
[23:07] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  you want toconvert to 3gp?
[23:07] <_ZeuZ_> That does not matter
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> yes
[23:07] <Auctionedllama> .avi to .3gp
[23:07] <_ZeuZ_> the session stores data that will mess you up
[23:07] <Bassetts> ok _ZeuZ_ give me a few mins
[23:07] <_ZeuZ_> that's why I tell you to kill -9 that process
[23:08] <_ZeuZ_> then reboot
[23:08] <_ZeuZ_> the process should start with no sessions messing around
[23:08] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: there are two running
[23:08] <JPSman> is it possible to torrent hardy and then install automaticlly from the torrent?
[23:08] <_ZeuZ_> kill them both
[23:09] <_ZeuZ_> kill -9 processID
[23:09] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193754&highlight=Avidemux+3gp
[23:09] <JPSman> er that is upgrade from the torrent?
[23:10] <Auctionedllama> ya that doesn't convert to 3gp
[23:10] <Bassetts> _ZeuZ_: restarting, back in a min
[23:10] <mojo> !pulse | Some_Person
[23:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:10] <mojo> !pulseaudio | Some_Person
[23:10] <ubotu> Some_Person: PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[23:10] <Some_Person> What is ESD?
[23:11] <mojo> !esd | Some_Person
[23:11] <ubotu> Some_Person: esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[23:11] <mojo> Some_Person::  okay, ESD is a sound server in that it takes the outputs of many programs and mixes them onto the hardware output channel
[23:11] <kahrytan> !info winff
[23:11] <Some_Person> So ESD is like ALSA
[23:11] <ubotu> Package winff does not exist in hardy
[23:12] <_ZeuZ_> !info w64codecs
[23:12] <ubotu> Package w64codecs does not exist in hardy
[23:12] <Some_Person> So, in hardy, should I use ALSA or PulseAudio, and how would I switch?
[23:12] <_ZeuZ_> !info w64
[23:12] <ubotu> Package w64 does not exist in hardy
[23:12] <mojo> Some_Person::  PulseAudio is an advanced sound server with low latency abilities, multiple sinks (outputs), and the ability to do stuff like change the volume of the input streams (turn down Adobe Flash Video but keep Amarok up, or vice versa), re-route sound to/from different sound cards on-the-fly, etc.
[23:13] <Some_Person> How would I switch from ALSA to PulseAudio?
[23:14] <mojo> Some_Person:: I *think* that PulseAudio uses ALSA for it's output.  Alsa is like the hardware driver layer for Pulse
[23:14] <Some_Person> so..... how do you use pulse?
[23:14] <mojo> Some_Person::  but Pulse can have different back-ends, like a network streaming output (and input), to bounce sound streams between physical machines.
[23:15] <mojo> Some_Person::  PulseAudio brings a lot of cool functionality to the table
[23:15] <Some_Person> I like the part about changing input stream volume
[23:15] <Some_Person> But how do I use it?
[23:16] <tawt> Can someone help me please?  when i try to run hardy on kernal 2.6.24-16, i get a black screen.  how can i fix this to use the newer kernal?
[23:16] <mojo> PulseAudio in Hardy puts an icon in your sytem tray.  While sounds are playing from different programs at the same time, click the icon and select Volume Control.  Each output stream will have it's own volume controls, and you can right-click them to re-route them to different outputs, like if you have two sound cards, one to the desk spkrs and one to the stereo
[23:18] <Some_Person> Is it the good ol' GNOME volume icon?
[23:18] <JPSman> is the wireless working sub-par in hardy?
[23:18] <alex_mayorga> anyone to help me get my X back?
[23:18] <tomd123> Why doesn't ubuntu support motioneye by default out of the box or at least have a package? (webcam, laptop)
[23:18] <alex_mayorga> I get "init screen failed" :(
[23:19] <tomd123> I had to compile my own driver and it works and all but I don't understand why they wouldn't include it as a package
[23:19] <alex_mayorga> JPSman, a little with broadcom chips
[23:20] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, ping, you busy?
[23:20] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  I got nothing for you.. looks like command line for you. Winf looked promiseing though
[23:20] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama-> WINFF
[23:20] <mojo> Some_Person::  Programs typically write sound to the dsp device presented by ALSA.  If one program is writing to the device node (everything is a file in unix, even devices - device nodes are "files" you write to devices with, or read), then another gets lockd out.  Thus one sound stream at a time.  ESD solved that problem by making a fake software dsp, iirc, that programs could use and not block eachother.  it routed the mix to the rea
[23:20] <mojo> l /dev/dsp or whatever.
[23:21] <mojo> Some_Person::  PulseAudio is a drop in replacement for ESD, but way more advanced.
[23:21] <Some_Person> Well, ALSA supports <1 at a time
[23:21] <mojo> none at a time?
[23:21] <Some_Person> sorry, thats >1
[23:22] <mojo> well i am not truly expert here, that is the gist of it though.  i think you've been using esd and just not aware of it.
[23:22] <Some_Person> I had different sounds playing at the same time in Gutsy
[23:22] <mojo> Some_Person::  Gutsy had ESD on top of ALSA.
[23:22] <Some_Person> oh, ok
[23:23] <Some_Person> and hardy has Pulse on top of ALSA
[23:23] <mojo> Some_Person::  Yeah.  It replaces a piece you've been using with a way cooler version.
[23:23] <elliott> can anyone help me install hardy rc1 on my mac mini? It says it installs correctly, but when I go to restart it doesn't boot. when I re-enter the install CD and select "boot from first hard disk", i get a blinking cursor and the computer hangs. someone else told me to make sure I was using the correct architecture, and I am.
[23:23] <Some_Person> but I can't find where you change different input volumes
[23:23] <mooboo1> i want kernel 2.6.25!!
[23:23] <mooboo1> it has PIE protection and group scheduling!
[23:23] <mojo> elliott::  you get any boot up messages at all?  does it stop in-process or never display a thing past GRUB?
[23:24] <elliott> i don't even see grub
[23:24] <mooboo1> i have two directories with same files but different time on some, how do i sync them so they most recent files get transfered to each other?
[23:24] <mojo> elliott::  ooohh...
[23:24] <Auctionedllama> whats the command to install a file?
[23:25] <mojo> elliott::  um, it is possible to re-install grub from the livecd.  can you see the hdd under a livecd boot?
[23:25] <rsk> install a file? :o
[23:25] <Auctionedllama> kahrytan, found a program, can't install it http://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverter.htm
[23:25] <mojo> !aptitude | Auctionedllama
[23:25] <ubotu> Auctionedllama: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[23:25] <elliott> mojo: yeah, and i can mount it and stuff
[23:26] <kahrytan> Auctionedllama->  look at pm.
[23:26] <mojo> elliott::  well that is good.  i don't know much about mac minis though, never even seen one first hand.  but the machine won't pick up the boot-loader?  i only presume it boots like a pc does, reading the first block off the disk and executing the binary boot loader that is there
[23:26] <elliott> yeah, and i was running gutsy fine not 2 hours ago
[23:27] <mojo> elliott::  if you cant get grub to re-install it's binary boot loader and /boot files from the livecd, you may search out to see how you restore the original apple boot sector to the disk.  you can probalby do that under linux if you get a copy of the boot sector.  i presume you didn't make a copy of it to a file first.
[23:27] <bluefoxx> O.o
[23:27] <pen> is there a command app to encode aac format?
[23:27] <pen> like mp4
[23:27] <bluefoxx> theres a name i recognize, though it is impossible for it to be who i know by that name lol
[23:28] <mojo> pen faac i think
[23:28] <pen> mojo: thx
[23:29] <mojo> pen np
[23:29] <kahrytan> mojo->  ever seen WINFF?
[23:29] <mojo> kahrytan::  no what is it?
[23:29] <pen> no man page for faac?????
[23:29] <kahrytan> mojo-> winff.org
[23:30] <mojo> kahrytan::  got it
[23:30] <Edulix> hi
[23:30] <mojo> pen try info faac?
[23:30] <Some_Person> Does anyone know how to actually use PulseAudio in Hardy?
[23:30] <pen> :D works
[23:30] <pen> thx again
[23:30] <kahrytan> mojo->  I guess it fills the void that tools like gui4ffmpeg is on windows
[23:30] <Edulix> I get no sound when I resume after suspend, what file do I need to edit to tell ubuntu to reestart sound after suspend or to reload the sound module?
[23:31] <pen> mojo: it's not info for faac, but for general purpose
[23:31] <pen> mojo: :(
[23:31] <NotSure> Hi, I want use the older Firefox v2.0.0.4 version - But not sure which files to select for uninstall of FF 3 Beta 5 ?
[23:31] <mojo> kahrytan::  i am just looking at it now.
[23:31] <NotSure> want to use
[23:31] <elliott> mojo: th mac boot loader still runs, kind of. when you let it boot without the install CD, it just flshes a folder with a queston mrk, i'm assuming that means it can't find anything to boot to
[23:32] <kahrytan> mojo->  gui that converts videos using ffmpeg
[23:32] <elliott> it' when I try to boot to the HD from the install Cd that I get the bliking curso
[23:33] <elliott> r
[23:34] <mojo> elliott::  as i said i am not familiar with the mac mini, but i have read up on grub at their website, where it explains stage 1, stage 1.5 and stage 2 of the boot-loader process.  There are also ways to chain-load grub from another OS's boot loader, like Windows Vista's.  Vista bootloader likes to be king of the boot-loading hill best.  But grub can also chain to others.
[23:36] <mojo> elliott::  http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html is actually an interesting read if you're wondering how it works
[23:37] <mojo> pen::  hmmm... yeah weird no info text OR man page.  i guess it's faac --help or the website for docs
[23:38] <pen> mojo: that's weird
[23:38] <pen> mojo: maybe it's the only one?
[23:42] <Cameron> @time
[23:43] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 22 2008, 22:42:58 - Next meeting: Marketing meeting in 17 minutes
[23:46] <strtok> anyone know if there's been a solution for the input/output (errno 5) error while installing ardy?
[23:47] <chairmeleon> hello :)
[23:48] <Who_> RAOF: Just thought I'd let you know: nvidia got back to me today about the bug report - which is nice. Dunno if anything will come of it, but I wouldn't have actually known about the bug report script if you hand't mentioned it (second time around ;))
[23:48] <chairmeleon> is there anyone out there with a ralink rt2860 WLAN card?
[23:48] <chairmeleon> or zepto zpro2 as they are also branded
[23:49] <_Rambaldi_> can onboard wireless card on laptops be used for wep security testing? if not what usb wifi can be used for it
[23:50] <strtok> what security?
[23:50] <strtok> wep is not secure to begin with
[23:50] <strtok> :P
[23:50] <_Rambaldi_> i meant wpa
[23:51] <newbie> I need help to configure my wireless card. when I try to set my card to monitor mode, I receive this error: wlan0			prism54pci - [phy0]/usr/local/sbin/airmon-ng: 895: cannot create /sys/class/ieee80211/phy0/add_iface: Directory nonexistent
[23:51] <newbie> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
[23:51] <newbie>     SET failed on device mon0 ; No such device.
[23:51] <newbie> mon0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[23:51] <newbie> 				(monitor mode enabled on mon0)
[23:51] <newbie>      any suggestions?
[23:51] <tomasko> 'onboard wireless card' includes a large variety of cards. in general, i've found intel cards to be good in terms of security testing, stability, etc. anything atheros based should be good as well
[23:51] <tomasko> newbie: first off, use pastebin
[23:52] <newbie> tomasko, sorry about it, but I do not know what pastebin is
[23:52] <elliott> http://www.dpaste.com/
[23:53] <atlef> !paste | newbie:
[23:53] <ubotu> newbie:: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:53] <elliott> not depaste, but it's the same thing
[23:53] <bluefoxx> errr...how do i kill/destroy a 'uninterruptable' proccess?
[23:53] <_Rambaldi_> kill -9 tends to do it
[23:53] <mojo> pen::  okay, there is NO docs avail. under /usr/share/doc/faac other than the basic license info, changelog, todo, etc.  There is SUPPOSED to be a WIKI with docs, but it is down.  Seems their website went down or transitioned last year and the wiki still isn't up.  You can try emailing faac-dev@lists.sourceforge.net to beg for a copy of the docs
[23:54] <bluefoxx> _Rambaldi_: whats te command?
[23:54] <bluefoxx> the*
[23:54] <_Rambaldi_> find the pid and use the command kill -9 pid
[23:54] <bluefoxx> _Rambaldi_: kk, tyvm
[23:55] <_Rambaldi_> np
[23:55] <kahrytan> bluefoxx->  you can use system monitor applet in top of top
[23:55] <kahrytan> instead of top command
[23:55] <bluefoxx> mt crashed when i told it to retension a tape >. > and tar cant find the tape device[/dev/tape/ dissapeared]
[23:56] <_Rambaldi_> i prefer top command, system monitor takes cpu
[23:56] <bluefoxx> T_T it wont die!
[23:57] <_Rambaldi_> what stubborn program is this
[23:57] <newbie> when I try to set my wireless card to monitor mode, I got this errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64045/. This happened after I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04. Anyone knows how to fix this problem?
[23:58] <bluefoxx> _Rambaldi_: mt. i was about to retension a tape
[23:58] <_Rambaldi_> i got the second error when i tried to put mine in monitor mode newbie
[23:59] <_Rambaldi_> airmon-ng stop ath0 and airmon-ng start wifi0 put mine in monitor mode