| Alan_M | hello everyone! :) | 01:15 |
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| troy_s | <DanaG> Hmm, anybody else notice how far off-center (vertically) the progress bar is on the usplash theme? | 05:50 |
| troy_s | DanaG: You mean horizontally? | 05:50 |
| DanaG | Nope, vertically. | 05:54 |
| DanaG | Between the textbox and the logo. | 05:54 |
| DanaG | If you boot without 'quiet' | 05:54 |
| troy_s | DanaG: What do you mean off-center? Center punching isn't exactly good composition, so I would need you to explain. | 06:22 |
| DanaG | Do you use the usplash with 'quiet' disabled? | 06:23 |
| troy_s | DanaG: In general, center punching _anything_ is a good reason so suspect that the person doing it is drunk. | 06:23 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Yes... | 06:23 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Where is the center of gravity for the two components -- the graphical progress bar and the wordmark? | 06:23 |
| DanaG | On a line between either the logo bottom OR the text-in-logo bottom, and the top of the messages, is way offcenter. | 06:23 |
| DanaG | I'm not sure, but it somehow seems visually off to me. | 06:23 |
| DanaG | It may also be looking odd because I don't have native-res framebuffer. | 06:24 |
| DanaG | LCD: 1440x900. VESA mode: 1024x768. Stretched. | 06:24 |
| DanaG | To counteract that: usplash.conf is 1024x853 | 06:24 |
| DanaG | So it goes low. | 06:24 |
| DanaG | How do you get usplash to use the fake-widescreeen images? | 06:25 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Well, I don't know where it is... there are some technological limitations to perfect composition of course -- namely that the text area wasn't laid out by someone with a clue so the logo and the progress bars are often composed in avoidance of that area. | 06:25 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Widescreen and usplash has always been awful. | 06:25 |
| troy_s | DanaG: But it shouldn't affect the vertical compostion. | 06:25 |
| DanaG | I made it look not-squished, but the vertical composition is like this: | 06:26 |
| DanaG | From bottom of logo text to top of box, the progress bar is 2/3 of the way down. | 06:26 |
| DanaG | Measured to bottom of progress bar. | 06:26 |
| DanaG | At least it's circular, though. I had to reverse-compensate: 1024*(4/3)/(16/10) | 06:27 |
| troy_s | DanaG: 2/3rds for the progress bar is probably high... as your eye will be drawn to the center of gravity of the two sources | 06:27 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Which in this case would be about probably say, 2/3rds of the way from the top of the logo to the bottom of the progress bar. | 06:28 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Needless to say, it is close. | 06:28 |
| DanaG | It's one of those "just close enough that it's hard to tell" things. | 06:28 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Well it is pretty simple more or less -- you just locate a centre of gravity and make sure that it abides more or less by the rule of thirds. | 06:29 |
| troy_s | DanaG: In this case, the centre of gravity of the logo is around that guess, and _that_ margin line would be located approximately at 2/3. | 06:29 |
| troy_s | DanaG: But... no one gives a shit. | 06:29 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Well... 61.8% to be far more accurate in terms of classical composition. | 06:32 |
| DanaG | Whatever it is... it's off by just enough to be odd. | 06:32 |
| DanaG | Either that, or my sense of balance is screwy. | 06:32 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Have a look at the default KDE wallpaper if you want to see odd composition. | 06:32 |
| DanaG | Oh, that one from vladstudio.com? | 06:33 |
| troy_s | DanaG: Yes. | 06:33 |
| troy_s | DanaG: It's just asstastic. | 06:33 |
| DanaG | That guy has sooo many other better wallpapers -- actually, the kde4 default is one of his worst ones, I think. | 06:33 |
| troy_s | DanaG: The composition is horrific (aside from some of the other more often cited issues with walls / concepts / etc.) | 06:33 |
| DanaG | SOme of his other wallpapers actually work reasonably well with that changes-over-time thingy. | 06:34 |
| DanaG | But I'd rather have good static artwork than crappy dynamic artwork. | 06:35 |
| DanaG | I'm using the transparent svg from just above the "gdm theme" concept. | 06:40 |
| _MMA_ | Oh ffs. "Zoom" view for widescreen wallpapers in Hardy now justifies the pic to the left side and everything off the right on a 4:3 screen instead of centering and cropping both sides. Asstastic. | 12:53 |
| kwwii | _MMA_: that is nasty | 13:01 |
| thorwil | if "adjustment.upper" returns 204.0, "adjustment.set_value(204.0)" should cause the scrolledwindow to scroll to the end, right? | 16:48 |
| thorwil | but it only scrolls a few lines down :( | 16:49 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: What is the net effect? | 16:58 |
| * thorwil only now notices it's the wrong channel | 16:58 | |
| troy_s | thorwil: Lol. | 16:58 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: Instead of cropping both sides equally, it takes it all from 1 side. | 16:59 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: Woop. Center punchy mook hell! | 16:59 |
| troy_s | _MMA_: It's pulling it off the left too yes -- which is sort of a worst case scenario. | 17:01 |
| _MMA_ | troy_s: Indeed. | 17:06 |
| psyke83 | hi | 22:33 |
| kwwii | hi psyke83 | 22:38 |
| psyke83 | hey kwwii | 22:39 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: We're trying to get a theme to use specific icons in the panel. | 22:39 |
| kwwii | you don't happen to know how to set a different icon theme for just the panel, do you? | 22:39 |
| kwwii | :-/ | 22:39 |
| _MMA_ | Something like "gtk-icon-theme-name = "gnome" is supposed to work. | 22:39 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, what theme is this for? | 22:40 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Goes somewhere in the "style "panel" section. | 22:40 |
| psyke83 | you need to use an absolute path for the icon theme, btw | 22:41 |
| kwwii | psyke83: do you know how to set a gtkrc just for the panel? | 22:42 |
| _MMA_ | I do. | 22:43 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, ok, I don't think it's possible to do that, as the gtk-icon-theme-name is a global variable that can't be defined within a style | 22:58 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: So then what we need to find is a way to set an icon theme or a set of images within the "panel" style. | 23:04 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, it's not possible, and the icon theme seems to be overridden anyway | 23:04 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: With that "gtk-icon-theme-name" sure. Im looking for another way. | 23:05 |
| _MMA_ | I was tinkering with setting the panel icon size to a particular size and editing those icons to suit. | 23:06 |
| _MMA_ | But, while i can get that to kinda work it still grabs images from outside the set size. ie: 20x20. | 23:07 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, if you're including the menu icons (i.e. Applications, Places, System), that's the menu icons, not exclusively panel... | 23:08 |
| _MMA_ | See, here's where Skype is good. | 23:09 |
| _MMA_ | No. "panel" not "panel-menu" | 23:09 |
| kwwii | psyke83: actually, we only want to theme the things that show up on the panel, not in any of the menus | 23:09 |
| psyke83 | I don't think it's possible to change the icon set for different widget sets anyway, but maybe it's possible to set individual icons somehow like here: http://roscidus.com/desktop/book/export/html/98 | 23:10 |
| psyke83 | see "How can I theme the toolbar icons?" | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: Hmm... That might work. | 23:11 |
| psyke83 | just bear in mind that's ROX-Filer, and there may not be defined names you can edit in the same way | 23:12 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: So you think that will work in style "panel"? | 23:13 |
| psyke83 | nope | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | stock["gtk-close"] = {{"close-icon.png"}} | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | grr... | 23:13 |
| kwwii | psyke83: thanks for the link, lots of good info there | 23:15 |
| psyke83 | hold on a sec... | 23:19 |
| psyke83 | look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/134144 | 23:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 134144 in gnome-panel "Main menu icons blurred using alternate theme controls" [Undecided,New] | 23:20 |
| psyke83 | comment 3 | 23:20 |
| psyke83 | is it possible that we can define: gtk-icon-theme-name = "panel=gnome", for example? | 23:20 |
| psyke83 | it's a long shot, though | 23:20 |
| * _MMA_ tries. | 23:23 | |
| psyke83 | doesn't seem to work here | 23:26 |
| psyke83 | it seems to be completely ignored, in fact (as a global setting) | 23:26 |
| _MMA_ | :( | 23:27 |
| psyke83 | bear with me, look at this: gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24:gtk-menu=24,24:panel=24,24" | 23:37 |
| psyke83 | the panel-menu and gtk-menu entries work (try setting them to 16 to see), but the panel doesn't | 23:37 |
| psyke83 | maybe it has a different name, so if we can find out the name, we can use the same format to change the icons | 23:37 |
| psyke83 | damn, gtk-menu doesn't work either | 23:38 |
| _MMA_ | gtk-menu should. As that effects the applications and sytem menus. | 23:39 |
| psyke83 | it should, but it doesn't when you actually try it | 23:39 |
| _MMA_ | Logout/in. | 23:40 |
| _MMA_ | Or restart the panel. | 23:40 |
| kwwii | gtk-menu only does app menus and the places and system menu in the panel | 23:41 |
| psyke83 | that's panel-menu | 23:41 |
| kwwii | panel-menu only effects the applications menu in the panel | 23:41 |
| psyke83 | (replying to _mma) | 23:41 |
| kwwii | oops, sorry | 23:41 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, gtk-menu doesn't work | 23:41 |
| psyke83 | I'm looking at e.g. gedit's menu | 23:42 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, nope, panel-menu does the applications places and system menus on the panel, try it yourself | 23:42 |
| kwwii | psyke83: freaky, earlier I got it to only effect the applications menu...perhaps I did not restart the panel or such | 23:43 |
| psyke83 | it seems that gtk-icon-theme-name is completely broken | 23:44 |
| psyke83 | yeah, that's weird... but on my system it affects all the panel menus | 23:44 |
| kwwii | yeah, it does here too now | 23:45 |
| psyke83 | that seems very weird that the icon theme can't be changed... hmm | 23:46 |
| kwwii | hrm, I can set a custom icon for all the applets and objects in the panel in gconf | 23:49 |
| kwwii | the custom_icon key | 23:49 |
| kwwii | but then I guess people would complain that they cannot change those icons when changing themes | 23:51 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, hmm, is that what's overriding the gtkrc in the first place? | 23:55 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Yes. I would kill you. | 23:57 |
| kwwii | psyke83: no, those keys are not set | 23:58 |
| kwwii | I would have mentioned that :p | 23:58 |
| kwwii | the panel seems to be freaky anyway...my firefox icon is 24x24 | 23:59 |
| kwwii | it fills up the whole height of the panel | 23:59 |
| kwwii | and the only firefox icons I can find are, at the smallest 48x48 | 23:59 |
| kwwii | the other icons in the panel are 22x22 | 23:59 |
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