[01:15] <Alan_M> hello everyone! :)
 Hmm, anybody else notice how far off-center (vertically) the progress bar is on the usplash theme?
[05:50] <troy_s> DanaG: You mean horizontally?
[05:54] <DanaG> Nope, vertically.
[05:54] <DanaG> Between the textbox and the logo.
[05:54] <DanaG> If you boot without 'quiet'
[06:22] <troy_s> DanaG: What do you mean off-center?  Center punching isn't exactly good composition, so I would need you to explain.
[06:23] <DanaG> Do you use the usplash with 'quiet' disabled?
[06:23] <troy_s> DanaG: In general, center punching _anything_ is a good reason so suspect that the person doing it is drunk.
[06:23] <troy_s> DanaG: Yes...
[06:23] <troy_s> DanaG: Where is the center of gravity for the two components -- the graphical progress bar and the wordmark?
[06:23] <DanaG> On a line between either the logo bottom OR the text-in-logo bottom, and the top of the messages, is way offcenter.
[06:23] <DanaG> I'm not sure, but it somehow seems visually off to me.
[06:24] <DanaG> It may also be looking odd because I don't have native-res framebuffer.
[06:24] <DanaG> LCD: 1440x900.  VESA mode: 1024x768.  Stretched.
[06:24] <DanaG> To counteract that: usplash.conf is 1024x853
[06:24] <DanaG> So it goes low.
[06:25] <DanaG> How do you get usplash to use the fake-widescreeen images?
[06:25] <troy_s> DanaG: Well, I don't know where it is... there are some technological limitations to perfect composition of course -- namely that the text area wasn't laid out by someone with a clue so the logo and the progress bars are often composed in avoidance of that area.
[06:25] <troy_s> DanaG: Widescreen and usplash has always been awful.
[06:25] <troy_s> DanaG: But it shouldn't affect the vertical compostion.
[06:26] <DanaG> I made it look not-squished, but the vertical composition is like this:
[06:26] <DanaG> From bottom of logo text to top of box, the progress bar is 2/3 of the way down.
[06:26] <DanaG> Measured to bottom of progress bar.
[06:27] <DanaG> At least it's circular, though.  I had to reverse-compensate:  1024*(4/3)/(16/10)
[06:27] <troy_s> DanaG: 2/3rds for the progress bar is probably high... as your eye will be drawn to the center of gravity of the two sources
[06:28] <troy_s> DanaG: Which in this case would be about probably say, 2/3rds of the way from the top of the logo to the bottom of the progress bar.
[06:28] <troy_s> DanaG: Needless to say, it is close.
[06:28] <DanaG> It's one of those "just close enough that it's hard to tell" things.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: Well it is pretty simple more or less -- you just locate a centre of gravity and make sure that it abides more or less by the rule of thirds.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: In this case, the centre of gravity of the logo is around that guess, and _that_ margin line would be located approximately at 2/3.
[06:29] <troy_s> DanaG: But... no one gives a shit.
[06:32] <troy_s> DanaG: Well... 61.8% to be far more accurate in terms of classical composition.
[06:32] <DanaG> Whatever it is... it's off by just enough to be odd.
[06:32] <DanaG> Either that, or my sense of balance is screwy.
[06:32] <troy_s> DanaG: Have a look at the default KDE wallpaper if you want to see odd composition.
[06:33] <DanaG> Oh, that one from vladstudio.com?
[06:33] <troy_s> DanaG: Yes.
[06:33] <troy_s> DanaG: It's just asstastic.
[06:33] <DanaG> That guy has sooo many other better wallpapers -- actually, the kde4 default is one of his worst ones,  I think.
[06:33] <troy_s> DanaG: The composition is horrific (aside from some of the other more often cited issues with walls / concepts / etc.)
[06:34] <DanaG> SOme of his other wallpapers actually work reasonably well with that changes-over-time thingy.
[06:35] <DanaG> But I'd rather have good static artwork than crappy dynamic artwork.
[06:40] <DanaG> I'm using the transparent svg from just above the "gdm theme" concept.
[12:53] <_MMA_> Oh ffs. "Zoom" view for widescreen wallpapers in Hardy now justifies the pic to the left side and everything off the right on a 4:3 screen instead of centering and cropping both sides. Asstastic.
[13:01] <kwwii> _MMA_: that is nasty
[16:48] <thorwil> if "adjustment.upper" returns 204.0, "adjustment.set_value(204.0)" should cause the scrolledwindow to scroll to the end, right?
[16:49] <thorwil> but it only scrolls a few lines down :(
[16:58] <troy_s> _MMA_: What is the net effect?
[16:58]  * thorwil only now notices it's the wrong channel
[16:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol.
[16:59] <_MMA_> troy_s: Instead of cropping both sides equally, it takes it all from 1 side.
[16:59] <troy_s> _MMA_: Woop.  Center punchy mook hell!
[17:01] <troy_s> _MMA_: It's pulling it off the left too yes -- which is sort of a worst case scenario.
[17:06] <_MMA_> troy_s: Indeed.
[22:33] <psyke83> hi
[22:38] <kwwii> hi psyke83
[22:39] <psyke83> hey kwwii
[22:39] <_MMA_> psyke83: We're trying to get a theme to use specific icons in the panel.
[22:39] <kwwii> you don't happen to know how to set a different icon theme for just the panel, do you?
[22:39] <kwwii> :-/
[22:39] <_MMA_> Something like "﻿gtk-icon-theme-name = "gnome" is supposed to work.
[22:40] <psyke83> _MMA_, what theme is this for?
[22:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: Goes somewhere in the "style "panel" section.
[22:41] <psyke83> you need to use an absolute path for the icon theme, btw
[22:42] <kwwii> psyke83: do you know how to set a gtkrc just for the panel?
[22:43] <_MMA_> I do.
[22:58] <psyke83> kwwii, ok, I don't think it's possible to do that, as the gtk-icon-theme-name is a global variable that can't be defined within a style
[23:04] <_MMA_> psyke83: So then what we need to find is a way to set an icon theme or a set of images within the "panel" style.
[23:04] <psyke83> _MMA_, it's not possible, and the icon theme seems to be overridden anyway
[23:05] <_MMA_> psyke83: With that "﻿gtk-icon-theme-name" sure. Im looking for another way.
[23:06] <_MMA_> I was tinkering with setting the panel icon size to a particular size and editing those icons to suit.
[23:07] <_MMA_> But, while i can get that to kinda work it still grabs images from outside the set size. ie: 20x20.
[23:08] <psyke83> _MMA_, if you're including the menu icons (i.e. Applications, Places, System), that's the menu icons, not exclusively panel...
[23:09] <_MMA_> See, here's where Skype is good.
[23:09] <_MMA_> No. "panel" not "panel-menu"
[23:09] <kwwii> psyke83: actually, we only want to theme the things that show up on the panel, not in any of the menus
[23:10] <psyke83> I don't think it's possible to change the icon set for different widget sets anyway, but maybe it's possible to set individual icons somehow like here: http://roscidus.com/desktop/book/export/html/98
[23:10] <psyke83> see "How can I theme the toolbar icons?"
[23:11] <_MMA_> psyke83: Hmm... That might work.
[23:12] <psyke83> just bear in mind that's ROX-Filer, and there may not be defined names you can edit in the same way
[23:13] <_MMA_> psyke83: So you think that will work in style "panel"?
[23:13] <psyke83> nope
[23:13] <_MMA_>   stock["gtk-close"] = {{"close-icon.png"}}
[23:13] <_MMA_> grr...
[23:15] <kwwii> psyke83: thanks for the link, lots of good info there
[23:19] <psyke83> hold on a sec...
[23:20] <psyke83> look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/134144
[23:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134144 in gnome-panel "Main menu icons blurred using alternate theme controls" [Undecided,New]
[23:20] <psyke83> comment 3
[23:20] <psyke83> is it possible that we can define: gtk-icon-theme-name = "panel=gnome", for example?
[23:20] <psyke83> it's a long shot, though
[23:23]  * _MMA_ tries.
[23:26] <psyke83> doesn't seem to work here
[23:26] <psyke83> it seems to be completely ignored, in fact (as a global setting)
[23:27] <_MMA_> :(
[23:37] <psyke83> bear with me, look at this: gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24:gtk-menu=24,24:panel=24,24"
[23:37] <psyke83> the panel-menu and gtk-menu entries work (try setting them to 16 to see), but the panel doesn't
[23:37] <psyke83> maybe it has a different name, so if we can find out the name, we can use the same format to change the icons
[23:38] <psyke83> damn, gtk-menu doesn't work either
[23:39] <_MMA_> gtk-menu should. As that effects the applications and sytem menus.
[23:39] <psyke83> it should, but it doesn't when you actually try it
[23:40] <_MMA_> Logout/in.
[23:40] <_MMA_> Or restart the panel.
[23:41] <kwwii> gtk-menu only does app menus and the places and system menu in the panel
[23:41] <psyke83> that's panel-menu
[23:41] <kwwii> panel-menu only effects the applications menu in the panel
[23:41] <psyke83> (replying to _mma)
[23:41] <kwwii> oops, sorry
[23:41] <psyke83> kwwii, gtk-menu doesn't work
[23:42] <psyke83> I'm looking at e.g. gedit's menu
[23:42] <psyke83> kwwii, nope, panel-menu does the applications places and system menus on the panel, try it yourself
[23:43] <kwwii> psyke83: freaky, earlier I got it to only effect the applications menu...perhaps I did not restart the panel or such
[23:44] <psyke83> it seems that gtk-icon-theme-name is completely broken
[23:44] <psyke83> yeah, that's weird... but on my system it affects all the panel menus
[23:45] <kwwii> yeah, it does here too now
[23:46] <psyke83> that seems very weird that the icon theme can't be changed... hmm
[23:49] <kwwii> hrm, I can set a custom icon for all the applets and objects in the panel in gconf
[23:49] <kwwii> the custom_icon key
[23:51] <kwwii> but then I guess people would complain that they cannot change those icons when changing themes
[23:55] <psyke83> kwwii, hmm, is that what's overriding the gtkrc in the first place?
[23:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. I would kill you.
[23:58] <kwwii> psyke83: no, those keys are not set
[23:58] <kwwii> I would have mentioned that :p
[23:59] <kwwii> the panel seems to be freaky anyway...my firefox icon is 24x24
[23:59] <kwwii> it fills up the whole height of the panel
[23:59] <kwwii> and the only firefox icons I can find are, at the smallest 48x48
[23:59] <kwwii> the other icons in the panel are 22x22