[01:15] hello everyone! :) [05:50] Hmm, anybody else notice how far off-center (vertically) the progress bar is on the usplash theme? [05:50] DanaG: You mean horizontally? [05:54] Nope, vertically. [05:54] Between the textbox and the logo. [05:54] If you boot without 'quiet' [06:22] DanaG: What do you mean off-center? Center punching isn't exactly good composition, so I would need you to explain. [06:23] Do you use the usplash with 'quiet' disabled? [06:23] DanaG: In general, center punching _anything_ is a good reason so suspect that the person doing it is drunk. [06:23] DanaG: Yes... [06:23] DanaG: Where is the center of gravity for the two components -- the graphical progress bar and the wordmark? [06:23] On a line between either the logo bottom OR the text-in-logo bottom, and the top of the messages, is way offcenter. [06:23] I'm not sure, but it somehow seems visually off to me. [06:24] It may also be looking odd because I don't have native-res framebuffer. [06:24] LCD: 1440x900. VESA mode: 1024x768. Stretched. [06:24] To counteract that: usplash.conf is 1024x853 [06:24] So it goes low. [06:25] How do you get usplash to use the fake-widescreeen images? [06:25] DanaG: Well, I don't know where it is... there are some technological limitations to perfect composition of course -- namely that the text area wasn't laid out by someone with a clue so the logo and the progress bars are often composed in avoidance of that area. [06:25] DanaG: Widescreen and usplash has always been awful. [06:25] DanaG: But it shouldn't affect the vertical compostion. [06:26] I made it look not-squished, but the vertical composition is like this: [06:26] From bottom of logo text to top of box, the progress bar is 2/3 of the way down. [06:26] Measured to bottom of progress bar. [06:27] At least it's circular, though. I had to reverse-compensate: 1024*(4/3)/(16/10) [06:27] DanaG: 2/3rds for the progress bar is probably high... as your eye will be drawn to the center of gravity of the two sources [06:28] DanaG: Which in this case would be about probably say, 2/3rds of the way from the top of the logo to the bottom of the progress bar. [06:28] DanaG: Needless to say, it is close. [06:28] It's one of those "just close enough that it's hard to tell" things. [06:29] DanaG: Well it is pretty simple more or less -- you just locate a centre of gravity and make sure that it abides more or less by the rule of thirds. [06:29] DanaG: In this case, the centre of gravity of the logo is around that guess, and _that_ margin line would be located approximately at 2/3. [06:29] DanaG: But... no one gives a shit. [06:32] DanaG: Well... 61.8% to be far more accurate in terms of classical composition. [06:32] Whatever it is... it's off by just enough to be odd. [06:32] Either that, or my sense of balance is screwy. [06:32] DanaG: Have a look at the default KDE wallpaper if you want to see odd composition. [06:33] Oh, that one from vladstudio.com? [06:33] DanaG: Yes. [06:33] DanaG: It's just asstastic. [06:33] That guy has sooo many other better wallpapers -- actually, the kde4 default is one of his worst ones, I think. [06:33] DanaG: The composition is horrific (aside from some of the other more often cited issues with walls / concepts / etc.) [06:34] SOme of his other wallpapers actually work reasonably well with that changes-over-time thingy. [06:35] But I'd rather have good static artwork than crappy dynamic artwork. [06:40] I'm using the transparent svg from just above the "gdm theme" concept. [12:53] <_MMA_> Oh ffs. "Zoom" view for widescreen wallpapers in Hardy now justifies the pic to the left side and everything off the right on a 4:3 screen instead of centering and cropping both sides. Asstastic. [13:01] _MMA_: that is nasty [16:48] if "adjustment.upper" returns 204.0, "adjustment.set_value(204.0)" should cause the scrolledwindow to scroll to the end, right? [16:49] but it only scrolls a few lines down :( [16:58] _MMA_: What is the net effect? [16:58] * thorwil only now notices it's the wrong channel [16:58] thorwil: Lol. [16:59] <_MMA_> troy_s: Instead of cropping both sides equally, it takes it all from 1 side. [16:59] _MMA_: Woop. Center punchy mook hell! [17:01] _MMA_: It's pulling it off the left too yes -- which is sort of a worst case scenario. [17:06] <_MMA_> troy_s: Indeed. [22:33] hi [22:38] hi psyke83 [22:39] hey kwwii [22:39] <_MMA_> psyke83: We're trying to get a theme to use specific icons in the panel. [22:39] you don't happen to know how to set a different icon theme for just the panel, do you? [22:39] :-/ [22:39] <_MMA_> Something like "gtk-icon-theme-name = "gnome" is supposed to work. [22:40] _MMA_, what theme is this for? [22:40] <_MMA_> psyke83: Goes somewhere in the "style "panel" section. [22:41] you need to use an absolute path for the icon theme, btw [22:42] psyke83: do you know how to set a gtkrc just for the panel? [22:43] <_MMA_> I do. [22:58] kwwii, ok, I don't think it's possible to do that, as the gtk-icon-theme-name is a global variable that can't be defined within a style [23:04] <_MMA_> psyke83: So then what we need to find is a way to set an icon theme or a set of images within the "panel" style. [23:04] _MMA_, it's not possible, and the icon theme seems to be overridden anyway [23:05] <_MMA_> psyke83: With that "gtk-icon-theme-name" sure. Im looking for another way. [23:06] <_MMA_> I was tinkering with setting the panel icon size to a particular size and editing those icons to suit. [23:07] <_MMA_> But, while i can get that to kinda work it still grabs images from outside the set size. ie: 20x20. [23:08] _MMA_, if you're including the menu icons (i.e. Applications, Places, System), that's the menu icons, not exclusively panel... [23:09] <_MMA_> See, here's where Skype is good. [23:09] <_MMA_> No. "panel" not "panel-menu" [23:09] psyke83: actually, we only want to theme the things that show up on the panel, not in any of the menus [23:10] I don't think it's possible to change the icon set for different widget sets anyway, but maybe it's possible to set individual icons somehow like here: http://roscidus.com/desktop/book/export/html/98 [23:10] see "How can I theme the toolbar icons?" [23:11] <_MMA_> psyke83: Hmm... That might work. [23:12] just bear in mind that's ROX-Filer, and there may not be defined names you can edit in the same way [23:13] <_MMA_> psyke83: So you think that will work in style "panel"? [23:13] nope [23:13] <_MMA_> stock["gtk-close"] = {{"close-icon.png"}} [23:13] <_MMA_> grr... [23:15] psyke83: thanks for the link, lots of good info there [23:19] hold on a sec... [23:20] look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/134144 [23:20] Launchpad bug 134144 in gnome-panel "Main menu icons blurred using alternate theme controls" [Undecided,New] [23:20] comment 3 [23:20] is it possible that we can define: gtk-icon-theme-name = "panel=gnome", for example? [23:20] it's a long shot, though [23:23] * _MMA_ tries. [23:26] doesn't seem to work here [23:26] it seems to be completely ignored, in fact (as a global setting) [23:27] <_MMA_> :( [23:37] bear with me, look at this: gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24:gtk-menu=24,24:panel=24,24" [23:37] the panel-menu and gtk-menu entries work (try setting them to 16 to see), but the panel doesn't [23:37] maybe it has a different name, so if we can find out the name, we can use the same format to change the icons [23:38] damn, gtk-menu doesn't work either [23:39] <_MMA_> gtk-menu should. As that effects the applications and sytem menus. [23:39] it should, but it doesn't when you actually try it [23:40] <_MMA_> Logout/in. [23:40] <_MMA_> Or restart the panel. [23:41] gtk-menu only does app menus and the places and system menu in the panel [23:41] that's panel-menu [23:41] panel-menu only effects the applications menu in the panel [23:41] (replying to _mma) [23:41] oops, sorry [23:41] kwwii, gtk-menu doesn't work [23:42] I'm looking at e.g. gedit's menu [23:42] kwwii, nope, panel-menu does the applications places and system menus on the panel, try it yourself [23:43] psyke83: freaky, earlier I got it to only effect the applications menu...perhaps I did not restart the panel or such [23:44] it seems that gtk-icon-theme-name is completely broken [23:44] yeah, that's weird... but on my system it affects all the panel menus [23:45] yeah, it does here too now [23:46] that seems very weird that the icon theme can't be changed... hmm [23:49] hrm, I can set a custom icon for all the applets and objects in the panel in gconf [23:49] the custom_icon key [23:51] but then I guess people would complain that they cannot change those icons when changing themes [23:55] kwwii, hmm, is that what's overriding the gtkrc in the first place? [23:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. I would kill you. [23:58] psyke83: no, those keys are not set [23:58] I would have mentioned that :p [23:59] the panel seems to be freaky anyway...my firefox icon is 24x24 [23:59] it fills up the whole height of the panel [23:59] and the only firefox icons I can find are, at the smallest 48x48 [23:59] the other icons in the panel are 22x22