[01:03] <Gnine> restricted drivers not displayed in jockey-gtk. nvidia-glx installed; other restricted modules installed.
[01:12] <ogra> bdmurray, wow, you read ubuntu-users ? thats brave :)
[01:13]  * ogra doesnt feel so alone anymore whatching the user madhouse
[01:15] <bdmurray> ogra: it recently seemed like it needed some help
[01:15] <ogra> yeah, it does
[01:15] <bdmurray> but I feel one person isn't enough either
[01:16] <ogra> i only manage to roughly follow it in recent times
[01:17] <ogra> yeah, its our biggest list and pretty noisy ... there are not many developers readin it anymore
[01:18] <bdmurray> I was thinking that maybe bugsquad members reading / commenting would be sufficient help.
[01:19] <ogra> surely
[01:19] <bdmurray> I saw some comments about using a partition separte from ubiquity which seems silly now a days
[01:20] <ogra> it just was a great ressource for help once where you had lots of knowledgeable people giving excellent advise ... the level dropped massively over the three years i'm on it
[01:20] <bdmurray> er, a partition utility
[01:20] <ogra> yeah, there is a lot of such stuff
[01:22] <ogra> and recently some very active people with half breeded knowledge who think they know everything because they used redhat before ... "use telinit 2 to siwtch to non graphics mode"
[01:22] <bdmurray> dinner bbiab
[01:22] <bdmurray> wow
[02:08] <macd> bug 174048 just needs a debdif with the package rules changes to include python-xml?
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174048 in xen-3.2 "missing dependency: python-xml" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174048
[02:55] <mrooney> so, I see a package updated its "debian/$package.gconf-defaults", does anyone know where I could find this file, to check out what changed?
[03:10] <greg-g> macd: looks like it, yes
[03:12] <danage> hello saivann?
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Hi!
[03:12] <danage> hi! wow our bug got fixed
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Did you see, our bug got fixed
[03:12] <saivann> danage : Yes :D
[03:12] <danage> :)
[03:13] <danage> it even looks like it might make release
[03:13] <mrooney> ooh what bug is that
[03:13] <saivann> danage : Now that's how very well described bugs + incredible developers makes good work
[03:13] <danage> :)
[03:13] <danage> i wish the bluetooth problem was more evident
[03:13] <danage> i would love to have it fixed
[03:13] <danage> disabling hidd didn't change anything
[03:14] <saivann> mrooney : That was a bug in gvfs that prevented users to list files with more than 8 spaces in FTP servers, I don't have the bug number, but it got fixed in few days
[03:15] <saivann> danage : Really? That might be kind of bad bug with the driver, that's less evident..
[03:15] <danage> that is what i am thinking. i am testing right now with a usb dongle on another computer, see if it's apple mouse specific
[03:15] <greg-g> does xubuntu use the restricted-driver manager?
[03:16] <greg-g> aka, package "restricted-manager"
[03:16] <danage> wow, a lot of now updates being pushed through today
[03:16] <saivann> greg-g : I'll answer this in ~1 minute
[03:16] <greg-g> saivann: thankya
[03:16] <saivann> danage : I use a USB belkin bluetooth dongle.. so
[03:17] <danage> i have a chinadongle now, i'm gonna use it tonight and see how it turns out
[03:17] <saivann> greg-g : xubuntu gutsy did, I don't know about Hardy but I doubt that it changed.
[03:18] <greg-g> saivann: thanks.  anyway of searching for the answer online so i don't have to ask you again? :)
[03:18] <saivann> danage : Great :)
[03:19] <greg-g> s/anyway/is there a way/
[03:21] <saivann> greg-g : I was thinking about rdepends, but it does not seems to show needed informations, so I don't know :) Unless installing xubuntu inside a virtualbox VM, that's what I do
[03:21] <bdmurray> greg-g: it is called jockey now
[03:22] <bdmurray> and an 'apt-cache show jockey-common' show the Tasks it is installed in
[03:22] <saivann> That's why I did not find jockey in gutsy...
[03:22] <Gnine> no restricted drivers shown in jockey-gtk
[03:23] <greg-g> bdmurray: awesome, thanks
[03:23] <saivann> greg-g : and apt-cache rdepends jockey-gtk show the reverse depends :)
[03:24] <greg-g> saivann: that works too, thanks
[03:24]  * greg-g learned something new todya
[03:24] <saivann> greg-g : np :)
[03:24] <saivann> hehe, we all, I think..
[03:24] <mrooney> bdmurray: do you know where I can find the debian/$package.gconf-defaults file of a package? I am having trouble doing so
[03:24] <bdmurray> mrooney: in the package itself I'd guess
[03:25] <bdmurray> try apt-get source $PKGNAME
[03:26] <mrooney> bdmurray: thanks, that did the trick!
[03:31] <mrooney> bdmurray: by the way in regards to bug #78038, it turned out that rhythmbox DID prevent hibernate/suspend on critical battery. the issue got fixed by disabling the rhythmbox plugin that caused that, but is there a more important underlying issue that allowed that to happen in the first place?
[03:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78038 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox interferes with suspend" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78038
[03:36] <bdmurray> mrooney: I'm a bit busy at the moment
[03:38] <mrooney> fair enough, are you saying I should wait a bit for a response, or ping you about it at a later date?
[03:39] <bdmurray> depends on when the kids get home. ;)
[03:41] <bdmurray> Seriously though, I'll try and look at it in a couple of hours
[03:43] <greg-g> lol
[03:45] <LoOoD> I'm trying out the hands free install via PXE. Seems to be stuck in a loop while partitioning the drive. It gets the kernel/initrd/preseed file and boots up. /var/log/partman just seems to grow forever.
[03:47] <danage> LoOoD: mustn't be a pxe-related problem then. i installed from a usb stick the other day, with all packages being loaded from ubuntu archive server
[03:49] <LoOoD> pxe said then. what can I do to figure out what is wrong? I regular interactive netboot install works fine.
[04:07] <LoOoD> pxe aside then ..
[04:10] <LoOoD> is there an existing working seed file I can try it with.. might be my seed file.
[04:20] <mrooney> oh does anyone know, it gutsy the update-manager showed the old version --> new version under the titles of each package, is there a way to re-enable this in hardy?
[04:29] <unmanarc> hi, i want to report a kubuntu installation bug...
[04:29] <unmanarc> 8.04
[04:29] <unmanarc> RC
[04:29] <unmanarc> where?
[04:31] <unmanarc> well, i'll say the bug here...
[04:31] <unmanarc> Caracas Time is GMT-4:30  not GMT-5:30...
[04:31] <unmanarc> bye.
[04:33] <bdmurray> mrooney: yes it did and no there isn't
[04:34] <bdmurray> mrooney: additionally there is a bug about and the maintainer has said he'll release a ppa version after the final version
[04:41] <mrooney> great, I really miss those. now let me try to find that bug...
[05:07] <cool> Hi, i would like to report a bug, before that i would like to verify if its really a bug.
[05:07] <cool> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=761885
[05:09] <bdmurray> cool: Hi, I'm looking at it now
[05:09] <cool> Thanks
[05:12] <bdmurray> Is that your post?
[05:12] <cool> yes
[05:12] <bdmurray> It'd be good to test with Hardy via a Live CD
[05:13] <macd> is there an easy way to make a change to just a control file, rather than having to rebuild the entire package? (it is a depends on change)
[05:14] <macd> oops wrong chan
[05:14] <cool> bdmurray, the main problem is that this error occurs random, using live & testing is not a solution
[05:15] <cool> as, system behaves normal 90% times
[05:15] <cool> right now i am posting fom same box, on which the error is reported
[05:16] <cool> still today or tomorrow i would try to upgrade to hardy
[05:16] <techno_freak> firefox3 randomly goes off :s
[05:16] <cool> bdmurray, is there any further debugging required on this system?
[05:17] <cool> since, then all data would have been  gone, i would be doing a clean install to minimise problems
[05:18] <bdmurray> cool: From what I understand of your situation it is unlikely to be fixed in Gutsy as it doesn't meet SRU criteria, so no we wouldn't need anything from that system.  by the way dist-upgrades work really really well
[05:19] <mrooney> cool: I would imagine that either way you are fine. If you update to Hardy and the issue is gone, then you it has been addressed in some way and doesn't need a bug report. If it still exists in Hardy, you will be able to obtain more relevant information that way
[05:20] <cool> mrooney, bdmurray :Thanks a lot Guys!
[05:21] <cool> bdmurray, i could use  dist-upgrades but i have few other problems which i would not like to carry forward
[05:21] <cool> some problems, which i didn't find any solution
[05:21] <bdmurray> cool: ah, okay
[05:22] <mrooney> cool: I know what you mean, personally I find Ubuntu so easy to restore to a state you like (ie, one line apt-get install to get all your apps again), that I like fresh installs to keep everything clean
[05:23] <cool> anyone facing disappearing desktop problem with compiz-fusion, i have reported it to bugzilla at compiz few days back but no reply yet.
[05:23] <mrooney> Hm, I am not aware of that issue at all
[05:23] <mrooney> how does a desktop disappear
[05:23] <mrooney> can you see through to behind the screen? :)
[05:24] <cool> hold on, will dig up a thread on some forum
[05:24] <cool> http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84435
[05:24] <cool> one of my solved threads in forums
[05:26] <cool> mrooney, can you see the screenshot?
[05:27] <cool> the problem is all desktop element come & go
[05:27] <mrooney> cool: no, I have to register for the forum :/
[05:27] <cool> hold on
[05:27] <cool> will post it in paste bin :)
[05:30] <cool> I am having problem with compiz fusion, main problem is the My whole desktop keeps disappearing in parts, then comes back for few secs when i hover mouse pointer the them.
[05:30]  * cool uploads a screenshot
[05:31] <mrooney> that sounds very...unique
[05:31] <mrooney> I would not be at all surprised if that is gone in Hardy
[05:31] <cool> my most problems are unique
[05:31] <cool> :D
[05:32] <techno_freak> cool, check all your problems after you upgrade to hardy
[05:32] <cool> here is a screenshot ==> http://www.imgx.org/pfiles/7016/Screenshot.png
[05:33] <mrooney> cool: yeah probably quirks which are worked out with better drives and composite by default
[05:33] <mrooney> *drivers
[05:33] <cool> k, will upgrade to hardy then
[05:34] <cool> Thanks a lot for your time, it was nice talking to you ;)
[05:34]  * cool prepares to leave
[13:23] <ffm> How can I tell if my bug report that has been marked with a lock icon is safe to make public.
[13:23] <ffm> ?
[13:24] <ffm> I mean, my bug report is currently private, it involves a crash of pybackpack. How do I make sure nothing personal is in there?
[13:24] <Arby> ffm: I think it needs to be done by a member of bugsquad, got a bug number
[13:25] <ffm> Arby:
[13:25] <ffm> Arby: Sure, Bug #219583
[13:25] <ubotu> Bug 219583 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/219583 is private
[13:25] <Arby> basically it's just reading through the attachments for paswords etc
[13:25] <Arby> ok I'll take a look
[13:25] <ffm> Wow, those bug names are long.
[13:25] <ffm> Arby: Look for something like "aiof877a&a", that's my password for all my websites.
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[13:26] <Arby> hmm, that ones invisible to me too
[13:26] <pedro_> mm i cannot see the bug either
[13:26] <Arby> how long ago did you post it
[13:26] <ffm> Arby: 2008-04-19
[13:30] <Arby> hmm, it should be there then I'd  have thought
[13:30] <Arby> don't know then sorry
[13:30] <Arby> anybody else got any idea?
[13:31] <pedro_> ffm: may you subscribe me to it?
[13:32] <ffm> pedro_: I don't know, are you trustworthy?
[13:33] <pedro_> ffm: yeah, every member of ubuntu-bugcontrol is trustworthy
[13:33] <pedro_> ffm: pvillavi is my lp account in case you want to subscribe me to have a look to your data
[13:34] <ffm> pedro_: Done.
[13:36] <Arby> pedro_: did that help?
[13:36] <pedro_> ffm: thanks, there's nothing private on the report, you can make it public
[13:36] <pedro_> Arby: yep
[13:36] <Arby> ok that's worth knowing about
[13:37] <ffm> Arby, pedro_ , It's public now. Anything more you need to triage it?
[13:38] <ffm> Bug #219583
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 219583 in pybackpack "pybackpack crashed with AttributeError in do_ssh_backup()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219583
[13:39] <pedro_> ffm: not really, leave it public so it can be looked by a bugsquad member
[13:40] <ffm> pedro_ Arby , it says "needs-duplicate-check" as one of its tags, but it is the only bug in that package. Can I remove the tag?
[13:41] <pedro_> ffm: yes, but it's weird I've seen a few bugs with "need-duplicate-check" tag and a comment from apport saying something like "this bug it's probably a dup of #xxxxxx but the latest one was fixed"
[13:41] <pedro_> first time i seen a needs-duplicate-check without a comment like that
[13:42] <Arby> sounds like apport is being odd
[13:42] <ffm> Should I report it upstream as well?
[13:44] <ffm> Arby pedro_ , see above.
[13:45] <james_w> ffm: I think so yes, the package isn't patched at all, so there's little chance of it being Ubuntu-specific.
[13:46] <ffm> james_w: Uh, I wanted to add a link to the external tracker, http://projects.sucs.org/projects/pybackpack/ticket/64 , and it did so, but said it was a bug in archlinux.
[13:47] <james_w> ffm: you should copy the backtrace in to the upstream report.
[13:47] <ffm> james_w: Yes, but I am having trouble linking the report to ubuntu.
[13:48] <james_w> ffm: yeah, I'm looking in to that, I just noticed that on the way past
[13:48] <james_w> ffm: there's no upstream project set up for this yet.
[13:49] <james_w> can anyone tell me how to go about doing that? Do I need bugsquad powers?
[13:49] <thekorn> hello @all!
[13:49] <james_w> hi thekorn
[13:50] <thekorn> hi james_w
[13:50] <seb128> james_w: ask jcastro about adding the corresponding product on launchpad
[13:51] <james_w> seb128: thanks
[13:52] <ffm> jcastro: ping
[13:57] <james_w> ffm: I worked it out, it should be done now.
[13:59] <thekorn> Is the broken error pages in mozilla browsers (xml parsing error) a known issue?
[14:00] <thekorn> i wonder if this is a translation error or something elese
[14:00] <james_w> thekorn: I heard someone mention it to asac the other day I think.
[14:01] <seb128> I think asac fixed it
[14:02] <thekorn> ah ok, maybe the fix does not land on my system yet
[14:02] <seb128> he might not have uploaded
[14:02] <seb128> I think he said to pitti that he figured what was wrong yesterday, I'm not sure now though
[14:07] <asac> should be fixed
[14:08] <asac> german + finnish translation were affected
[14:08] <asac> thekorn: please verify that latest langpack fixes it
[14:10] <thekorn> running an upgrade now...
[14:16] <thekorn> asac, yay, fixed, thanks!
[14:16] <asac> thanks for confirm
[15:39] <afflux> morning
[15:40] <pedro_> morning afflux
[15:41] <afflux> hi pedro_ :)
[15:52] <rodserling> I was told there was a Hug Meeting in here.
[15:53] <pedro_> rodserling: there's no hug day today, it was postponed to be focus on ISO testing rather
[16:24] <mrooney> hmm, is it really appropriate to just say "this bug is a duplicate" but say you don't know which one, and just mark it Invalid? I am referencing bug #180064
[16:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180064 in gtk+2.0 "scroll bar obscures the bottom line" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180064
[16:25] <pedro_> mrooney: as pointed on my last comment, yes
[16:25] <pedro_> we have to deal daily with hundreds of reports and sometimes we cannot find the exactly bug number of the duplicate
[16:26] <mrooney> okay, but if a seasoned bug veteran can't find it, how do you expect that person to find it?
[16:26] <mrooney> it seems pretty rude
[16:26] <pedro_> mrooney: you're welcome to look at it and help us
[16:26] <bdmurray> mrooney: I think it is a question of efficient use of time
[16:28] <mrooney> yeah, I understand from an Ubuntu productivity viewpoint
[16:28] <mrooney> it just doesn't seem like a very good user experience
[16:29] <mrooney> but if it is generally agreed upon as acceptable I guess I can note it!
[16:30] <bdmurray> I don't think it is best but don't think there is a good alternative either.  We could tag it as likely-dup and then someone else would have to find the duplicate bug report.
[16:30] <afflux> "usage: update-rc.d [...]" reports, are they all the same and is there sort of a big masterbug?
[16:31] <james_w> afflux: I doubt they are all the same
[16:32] <james_w> if they were it would be a bug in debhelper, and there would be hundreds of duplicates I expect.
[16:32] <james_w> afflux: do you have a reference please?
[16:35] <seb128> mrooney: that's either that or we keep under of duplicates open because we are too busy to search the exact number
[16:36] <bdmurray> james_w: thanks for testing my debdiff
[16:36] <qense> that was scary, it looked like hardy didn't allow ethernet connections to work. That would be a terrible bug three days before the release... Fortunately it was a fault in my computer and now I've got internet again!
[16:36] <seb128> mrooney: it takes some minutes to do that, either the submitter has to do the job or the overworked bug triagers have to do that for all those users, don't you think it's better to share the workload?
[16:36] <afflux> james_w: bug 220645 and bug 220643 seem to be related to pulseaudio, rsync and acpid
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220645 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-desktop 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220645
[16:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220643 in ubuntu-meta "package ubuntu-standard 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220643
[16:37] <james_w> bdmurray: no problem, thanks for making it.
[16:37] <afflux> james_w:  and hotkey-setup. At least the dpkglog shows 4 identically error messages around line 6375
[16:37] <mrooney> seb128: yeah, but I guess I feel like a tag would help out, so someone could go through and try to find the dups and mark them as such, to properly draw more attention to them
[16:38] <seb128> mrooney: well, that's quite some work and we don't think that's best use we can do of our efforts right now
[16:38] <bdmurray> mrooney: What state would the bug be in that case?  If it was New I think it might waste people's time.
[16:38] <Arby> is it safe to close bug 220569? it looks like just unfortunate timing and seems to have been resolved
[16:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220569 in update-notifier "update-manager will not work/ reinstall" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220569
[16:38] <bdmurray> I do think this is a good discussion to have in a couple of weeks though.
[16:38] <mrooney> bdmurray: no, it can still be Invalid
[16:39] <mrooney> but at least say, I could search for "probable-dup" and find the dups later, mark them as such, and improve the situation
[16:39] <Arby> although the second last comment sounds like a separate issue
[16:39] <james_w> afflux: the logs are a little odd, yes. It's kind of strange they all hit at once.
[16:39] <afflux> Arby: the "current dist not found in meta-release file" sounds familiar, I think it's rather a warning
[16:40] <seb128> mrooney: bug #197110 is similar to the bug you pointed I think
[16:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197110 in gedit "New newlines are not displayed when the viewable page is full" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197110
[16:40] <james_w> afflux: the ones you posted are dupes aren't they? Same reporter anyway.
[16:40] <Arby> afflux: ok
[16:40] <bdmurray> mrooney: If you could bring this up after we are done with Hardy that'd be great.
[16:40] <Arby> closing
[16:41] <afflux> james_w: no, ubuntu-standard is because of rsync failing, ubuntu-desktop because of pulse, hotkey-setup and acpid
[16:42] <mrooney> bdmurray: okay, will do!
[16:42] <mrooney> I am out for now, talk to everyone later, thanks for the input/explanations
[16:42] <_max_> okey either its ubuntu or something to do with my hardware controller, but iv had -no- problems in debian using a 3ware 9500s controller and raids that are 2tb plus
[16:42] <james_w> afflux: ah, ok, thanks. I didn't look, it's just always suspicious when a user files two similar reports in quick succession.
[16:42] <_max_> using ubuntu 7.10 / 8.04 has been a friggin nightmare
[16:43] <_max_> first the hassel of getting it to actually use GPT
[16:43] <afflux> james_w: that's why I looked at them at all ;)
[16:43] <_max_> i then managed to create my damn 5000gb paritin and format it, mounted it, said 5tb free, now i get harddisc full, its now saying 540/540gb
[16:43] <_max_> same crap i had with msdos partition table
[16:44] <james_w> afflux: I'll look in to the possible cause of failure in a moment.
[16:44] <nemo> Does someone mind closing out a bug for me?
[16:45] <greg-g> nemo: which bug?
[16:45] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/217809
[16:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217809 in linux "iwl3945 does not associate in Hardy" [Undecided,New]
[16:45] <afflux> james_w: thanks. bug 157041 seems to be the oldest rsync report I could find
[16:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157041 in rsync "[apport] package rsync failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157041
[16:45] <nemo> greg-g: I need to file a new bug about complex passphrases.
[16:45] <nemo> greg-g: but that bug is no longer accurate (see comments 3 and 4)
[16:46] <greg-g> nemo: gotcha, so you are opening a new bug about the actual cause of the problem?
[16:46] <nemo> greg-g: yep
[16:46] <nemo> or you could rephrase the bug if you have rights :)
[16:46] <nemo> passphrases containing quote marks and spaces break network-admin/iwconfig
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: well, with the big comments it is kinda "messy" now, so a new bug with all the pertinent information and none of the "noise" would be cool
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: rephrasing would save me time reposting stuff I suppose
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: fair 'nuff.
[16:47] <nemo> greg-g: most of the noise *was* 'cause I thought it was driver related
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: awesome, thanks! I'll take care of this one.
[16:47] <nemo> not that relevant to "iwconfig is using the wrong passphrase"
[16:47] <greg-g> nemo: yeah, I understand, thanks for helping!
[16:47] <nemo> thanks much.
[16:48] <greg-g> nemo: no problem
[16:49] <Arby> anybody have any idea what causes bugs like bug 220589?
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220589 in update-manager "update-manager crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220589
[16:49] <Arby> error message is E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.'
[16:49] <Arby> I see quite a few bug with errors against those files
[16:50] <Arby> are they problem files downloaded from a server somewhere or something that's been mangled locally
[16:50] <greg-g> have they tried an "apt-get update"?
[16:51] <greg-g> and is it reproducible over time (ie: 30 minutes later)
[16:51] <Arby> probably not
[16:51] <Arby> I was just wondering what those files did really
[16:51] <bdmurray> This is interesting because it is a security update
[16:51] <Arby> since it occurs quite often
[16:52] <greg-g> bdmurray: good call, those updates are fewer and probably experience less issues when updating the packages file
[16:52] <greg-g> the packages file contains the info needed to calculate the upgrades (packages and dependencies etc)
[16:53] <bdmurray> I think that update just came out yesterday so trying an apt-get update again would be good
[16:53] <greg-g> (I believe that is, I've never taken one apart)
[16:53] <bdmurray> You can just look at that file in a text editor
[16:58] <nemo> greg-g: bug #50386
[16:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50386 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin] wireless-key from /etc/network/interfaces not escaped" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50386
[16:58] <nemo> greg-g: added a comment and left it at that :)
[16:59] <nemo> greg-g: I was joking in #ubuntu+1 about starting an evil network cafe with a passkey of ;rm -rf /
[16:59] <nemo> greg-g: the sad thing is, folks would not expect that to be a problem, even if they picked it up
[17:00] <nemo> a variant on http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png
[17:00] <nemo> :-p
[17:01] <nemo> greg-g: I suppose that would be an inappropriate comment to make in the bug...
[17:01] <greg-g> yeah, just noise, funny noise, but noise none-the-less ;)
[17:02] <afflux> haha I just love xkcd :)
[17:02] <afflux> coffeetime...
[17:03] <greg-g> met him, randal munroe, xkcd guy, this weekend at a convention in Michigan
[17:03] <nemo> nifty
[17:03] <nemo> hm. I bet I could make an evil passphrase that would escape inspection...
[17:04] <nemo> s/inspection/casual inspection/
[17:07] <jarlath> What part does Jockey play in Ubiquity? I'm not sure which to assign a bug to.
[17:07] <jarlath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220105
[17:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220105 in ubuntu "8.04 RC Partitioning fails on dual boot install with Windows XP" [Undecided,New]
[17:09] <nemo> greg-g: ;echo$'\040\162\155\040\055\162\146\040\057'      only with the word echo replaced with eval
[17:10] <nemo> hm bet "eval" isn't even needed.
[17:12] <james_w> jarlath: that looks like ubiquity to me, what made you think of jockey?
[17:13] <james_w> the bug sounds a little familiar anyway, I can't grab you a bug report though, I'm afraid.
[17:13] <nemo> yep. eval is not necessary.
[17:13] <jarlath> I remember assigning ubiquity before for an installer related bug, and someone else changed it to jockey.
[17:14] <james_w> jarlath: you're normally safe with ubiquity, jockey has little to do with the installation process normally.
[17:14] <jarlath> james_w: Thanks. I don't actually know what jockey is. I searched packages.ubuntu.com but I can't find an actual description of the package.
[17:14] <james_w> jockey is what used to be called 'restricted-manger', but now handles other drivers as well, so a name change was appropriate
[17:15] <james_w> so if the problem was installing nvidia then it would be a jockey bug, not a ubiquity one.
[17:19] <jarlath> james_w: Ah, okay. Thanks for that.
[17:32] <bdmurray> thekorn: ping
[17:41] <afflux> heh: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/21/dodgy-report-open-source
[17:45] <thekorn> bdmurray, pong
[17:46] <bdmurray> thekorn: I forget do you have access to dapper?  I'm having an issue with Subscribers.parse() on it.
[17:47] <thekorn> bdmurray, I have a VM running dapper, so yes
[17:48] <thekorn> what's the issue
[17:49] <bdmurray> thekorn: this command 'bugnumbers --parsemode=html --ns ">5" -p xorg' results in the Wrong XPath-Expr AssertionError on dapper only with bug 155685
[17:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155685 in xorg "vesa doesn't work with PowerPC, so failsafeXServer fails" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155685
[17:49] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, will test it in about 30 minutes
[17:50] <bdmurray> thekorn: great, thanks!  I'll report a bug too
[17:50] <thekorn> thanks
[17:55] <thekorn> bdmurray, I guess this is bug 137574 again
[17:57] <bdmurray> I didn't see any strange characters in the subscribers list for the problematic bug
[17:58] <thekorn> the inline xorg.log has
[17:58] <thekorn> (WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting
[17:58] <thekorn> libxml2 stops parsing after this
[17:59] <thekorn> (I guess)
[18:14] <aquo> i tried the release candidate with qemu (boot from cd), but it didn't work ...
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[18:14] <aquo> grmpf
[18:14] <aquo> i get lost with some busybox command line in initramfs
[19:10] <james_w> afflux: that rsync thing is weird, I don't see how it can fail, unless their update-rc.d doesn't have the multiuser extension
[19:10] <james_w> or it is fixed already.
[19:12] <afflux> james_w: hm. Fixed in what packages?
[19:12] <james_w> no idea, but the new ones were fresh weren't they? That makes that unlikely.
[19:13] <afflux> yes, it seemed like they were uptodate
[19:16] <afflux> james_w: should I move bug 220645 to update-manager?
[19:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220645 in ubuntu "package ubuntu-desktop 1.102 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220645
[19:17] <james_w> I don't think it's a bug there, but it's as good a place as any for the moment.
[19:19] <copyofjohan> hey, I contributed to bug #211026. I wondered (and googled) if there's some more usefull information to attach. Have some hints for me?
[19:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211026 in transmission "Ubuntu 8.04 Freeze when downloading from bittorent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211026
[19:19] <danage> wow, i have never encountered that bug
[19:21] <james_w> copyofjohan: hi. Does everything freeze, or do you still have control of the pointer?
[19:21] <copyofjohan> everything
[19:22] <danage> pretty bad bug it seems
[19:22] <james_w> ok, someone else was describing something similar the other day, but they still had control of the mouse pointer, though everything else hung
[19:25] <copyofjohan> some reported there, that after first getting complete freezes, after the last kernel-updates they could ctrl-alt-del. But I get complete freezes. I could report that I'm using ubuntustudio with the generic kernel.
[19:25] <crimsun> is compiz enabled?
[19:25] <copyofjohan> no
[19:26] <crimsun> which nic drivers?
[19:27] <copyofjohan> hm, I dont know, I didnt change the drivers
[19:29] <copyofjohan> e1000 and iwl3945
[19:30] <copyofjohan> but I'm using the ethernet-nic
[19:31] <crimsun> ok, thanks, that's a starting point.
[19:45] <thekorn> bug 190848
[19:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[20:03] <jcastro> bdmurray: qa meeting today?
[20:04] <bdmurray> jcastro: that was a while ago I can summarize for you though
[20:04] <bdmurray> jcastro: test test test
[20:05] <bdmurray> ;-)
[20:06] <jcastro> bdmurray: wait, like exactly one hour ago?
[20:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: umm, I think it was at 9PDT
[20:10] <bdmurray> afflux: what was that init bug you were talking about?
[20:12] <afflux> bdmurray: you mean bug 220645 and bug 157041? update-rc.d issues, don't really know where the problem sits
[20:15] <bdmurray> afflux: hmm, I thought that was something else.  Their /etc/apt/sources.list might be interesting
[20:16] <afflux> bdmurray: you mean for those two bugs?
[20:16] <copyofjohan> crimsun: Is there more I can do?
[20:16] <bdmurray> right looking at dpkgterminallog it seems unlikely but they may have some odd repos in their sources.list
[20:17] <crimsun> copyofjohan: sorry, I've been in a discussion; I'll try to look/consider in a bit
[20:32] <macd> bug 188990
[21:10] <copyofjohan> is it useful to file the bug using apport-cli?
[21:10] <bdmurray> that should gather some information about your setup / packages
[21:22] <copyofjohan> i have to provide a package to apport-cli to file a bug. which should I choose? I didnt install azureus from a deb, but its not a problem with one specific torrent-client anyway.
[21:37] <greg-g> it isn't possible to use virtualbox and 64bit guest OSs?
[22:19] <asac> Fujitsu: there?
[22:21] <Fujitsu> asac: I am now.
[22:22] <asac> Fujitsu: xulrunner 1.8.0.14 security update. push to hardy or wait and to -security?
[22:22] <asac> Fujitsu: fta is asking :)
[22:23] <Fujitsu> Good question.
[22:23] <Fujitsu> I think push it to security after a fair bit of testing.
[22:25] <asac> Fujitsu: ok thats what i said as well.
[22:25] <asac> thanks
[22:29] <hspaans> g'day, selinux is supported in ubuntu? there appears to be a bug in cups/selinux on Hardy
[22:30] <greg-g> hspaans: is it reported to Launchpad?
[22:31] <hspaans> first wanted to know if selinux was supported in Hardy
[22:31] <hspaans> I take you response as a yes
[22:32] <greg-g> hspaans: yeah, you can install selinux in Hardy
[22:38] <hspaans> greg-g: I'm hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/selinux/+bug/202983 :(
[22:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202983 in selinux "[hardy alpha 6] unable to start cupsys if selinux is enforcing." [Undecided,Fix released]
[22:46] <greg-g> hspaans: I'll ask the original reporter of that bug, also, #ubuntu-hardened is the channel where the people working on selinux lurk
[22:48] <greg-g> hspaans: also, your comment says you are using the Beta, could you try with the RC release?
[22:54] <hspaans> greg-g: beta? no latest and greatest. it happens while upgrading cupsys to 1.3.7-1ubuntu3
[22:57] <greg-g> hspaans: oh, I thought the comment from April 6 was yours, and it referenced the beta server install
[22:58] <greg-g> hspaans: you should add a comment to that bug report then, if that is what you are experiencing
[23:02] <hspaans> greg-g: comment was on its way and now submitted
[23:02] <greg-g> hspaans: good deal
[23:03] <hspaans> np
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> hello, anyone that can help me figure this one out https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/146706 ?
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged]
[23:31] <alex_mayorga> I have the problematic system right here in front of me, FWIW
[23:33] <bdmurray> alex_mayorga: do you have a newer iso?
[23:33] <alex_mayorga> I'm torrenting the RC
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> but I believe I hosed my X
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> any workaround is appreciated
[23:35] <alex_mayorga> I now get init screen failed
[23:38] <bdmurray> could you elaborate a bit?
[23:39] <bdmurray> regarding your current situation
[23:40] <alex_mayorga> bdmurray, have to run to a class right now, can I catch up with you latter and hopefully close all the closeable bugs on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~alex-mayorga ?
[23:42] <bdmurray> that's quite a few bugs!  I'll be around for quite a while though
[23:43] <greg-g> heh
[23:43] <alex_mayorga> bdmurray, OK catch you in a couple hours