[00:03] - [00:04] I still have openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us held back by apt, is that a known bug ? [00:05] and dist-upgrade wants to remove the lang packs: The following packages will be REMOVED: [00:05] language-support-en language-support-fr language-support-writing-en language-support-writing-fr mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr [00:07] calc: i have problem with openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us [00:07] I still have openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us held back by apt, is that a known bug ? [00:07] and dist-upgrade wants to remove the lang packs: The following packages will be REMOVED: [00:07] language-support-en language-support-fr language-support-writing-en language-support-writing-fr mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr [00:08] fta: hold on a second let me see [00:08] there was a buggy version of a language pack earlier which depended on OOo-hyphenation-en-us but shouldn't have [00:08] I have 2.3.1-1ubuntu2, apt wants me to install 2.3.1-2ubuntu1 [00:08] try apt-get install language-support-en ? [00:09] language-support-en is already the newest version. [00:09] slangasek: it should work at this point regardless [00:09] ooo-hyphenation-en-us 2.3.1-2ubuntu1 replaces openoffice.org-hyphenation (<< 0.3) [00:10] and openoffice.org-hyphenation is at 0.3 now in hardy [00:10] er, what [00:10] why is that a versioned replaces?! [00:10] is that wrong? [00:10] yes [00:10] openoffice.org-hyphenation no longer ships en-us [00:10] since when? [00:11] since apr 8 [00:11] ... and hyphen is now in main, gar [00:11] hyphen should be being used by OOo already but it had a bug so i had to drop it again :( [00:11] why were people futzing around with this post-beta? [00:12] ok, I can't account for dist-upgrade's behavior then [00:13] that also means that language-support-writing-en is broken again, because I told ArneGoetje to back out the dependency on the universe package. :P [00:13] fta: are you upgrading to current hardy or to beta or something? [00:13] slangasek: er oops, sorry about that [00:13] i've been using hardy since day 1 [00:13] only to have the package move to main, and the OOo package lose the contents, without anyone telling the RM. [00:13] slangasek: you commented on the change at the time from what i recall [00:14] slangasek: i don't remember what the comment was though since i was in the process of packing for prague at the time [00:14] fta: can you use the problem resolver to see what it is holding it back? [00:14] * calc doesn't remember the argument to make that work though [00:14] er, yes; I commented saying that OOo shouldn't be changed [00:15] slangasek: oh, i see :( the bug was still set target for hardy to be fixed, which was i did it [00:16] i have openoffice.org-hyphenation 0.2 and openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us Replaces openoffice.org-hyphenation (<< 0.3) [00:16] (since 2.3.1-2ubuntu1) [00:17] slangasek: that should work right? [00:17] or at least post 2.3.1-1ubuntu2 [00:17] calc: the replaces should work, yes; like I said, given what I see now in the archive I can't account for the upgrade problem in question [00:17] fta: both openoffice.org-hyphenation 0.3 and openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us 2.3.1-2ubuntu1 exist in hardy [00:17] fta: do you have anything set to hold? [00:17] fta: er manually set to hold that is [00:18] FWIW, i always see an openoffice.org-hyphenation removed in /var/log/installer/syslog with current DVD releases no matter how many or which languages are picked for install [00:18] hm, it's in rc state. i guess that's why. seems it got removed partially before. [00:19] ok, fixed [00:20] mario_limonciell: not sure why that would be happening [00:21] calc, yeah i didn't want to start pointing fingers until i knew why it was happening too [00:22] i'm downloading todays image right now so i can take a look [00:22] well the cd version anyway [00:22] i've not verified it happens in the CD image [00:22] i don't know that it is preinstall in that livefs [00:22] ah [00:22] my bandwidth is too low to download a DVD in any decent amount of time [00:24] calc, well comparing the manifest from the two, it looks like -hyphenation is installed on both, but the DVD ends up with a whole bunch more localized variants of it too [00:24] it would, the point of the different DVD live filesystem is to have lots more localisation [00:26] wow amd64 desktop cd is within 2MB of oversize [00:26] thats a tight fit, heh [00:51] Amaranth: doesn't look like anything's happened with bug #118936 since the last time we talked... [00:51] Launchpad bug 118936 in alacarte "Alacarte does not recover deleted menu items" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118936 [02:30] hmm... I've just experienced the "shudown the system" when the batery is critically low - I got the warning the message saying that the system is about to shutdown if the AC is not reconnected soon. I reconnected the AC power cable (took around 5 secs), but the system had already started to shutdown. [02:31] Reconnect power in 5.....4..... [02:31] So how long do I have to reconnect my power cable before it starts to shutdown ? [02:31] I thought I was quick enough [02:34] mathiaz, gconf-editor, have a look at /apps/gnome-power-manager/thresholds [02:34] is there a good way to detect whether a volume is in fstab or whether hal mounted it? like some hal property? [02:34] it seems to default to shut down at 2% [02:35] i have the uuid of the hal disk [02:35] xtknight: /media/.hal-mtab? [02:36] jdong, oh that's great. thx [02:40] ogra: right - and the critical percentage is 3% [02:41] ogra: seems that the difference was too small in my case [02:42] ogra: however use_time_for_policy is set to True [02:42] jdong, well there's a problem where hal mounts the device in the order the user invokes each device instead of by any consistent method. therefore when the user goes to a hal disk and references it, he gets disk sometimes, disk-1 sometimes, disk-2, and so on. that's bad when you're making a music playlist. is this somehow being dealt with, or?? [02:44] xtknight: I presume by labeling the disk in question [02:44] that would be the best solution IMO [02:44] jdong, how is this done? [02:44] disklabel [02:44] err what am I saying [02:44] that's BSD :D [02:44] i did set-property volume.label but it wipes when i reboot. additionally Rename is not enabled in nautilus [02:45] needs to go in preferences.fdi doesnt it? [02:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive [02:45] for FAT32 that's mtools [02:45] ah so hal actually uses the filesystem label. i did not know that [02:45] right, AFAICT it uses the filesystem label unless there is none [02:46] at which point it defaults to silly generic names [02:47] * ScottK notes that gnome-games is depwait and someone might want to fix that that cares about Gnome. [02:47] soren: We're good now. [03:12] * soren declares bed time [03:21] mjg59: Was there an approval by motu-release for your moblin-image-creator upload? I can't seem to find it. === shadowxp2 is now known as shadowxp [03:41] the last hardy OOo upload is now accepted [03:47] * calc isn't sure that the update of ubuntuforums was an improvement [03:48] they got rid of the search in the top right, and made user cp into a link instead of a menu [03:48] and no home link anymore === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie [04:05] ah i see the faq they are still in progress for most of it [04:07] Could anybody running Ubuntu on any architecture please try and run onboard for me, and if you have a live CD handy, please boot that, Press F5, ahd choose the on-screen keyboard option, and let me know what happens for all tests? [04:16] bug 220475 if anyone has comments. [04:16] Launchpad bug 220475 in onboard "Onboard segfaults on Ubuntu Hardy" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220475 [04:37] TheMuso: I have a Kubuntu Desktop CD and the only F5 options I have is "High Contrast", "Magnifier" and "Keyboard Modifiers". I don't see an onscreen keyboard. [04:38] tedg: Thats because its only on Ubuntu. [04:38] As I said, running Ubuntu. [04:39] Ah, I figured they'd be the same in that regard. [04:45] ScottK: what is used in Kubuntu to share directories via samba ? [04:46] zul: thanks for the advice on using kvm. It's working beautifully; and with libvirt it's working better than anything I've ever used for virtualization [04:48] mathiaz: No idea. I don't use samba. Sorry. [04:49] mathiaz: Lots of people in #kubuntu-devel that might be able to tell you. [04:49] ScottK: I'm looking at bug 158341 [04:50] Launchpad bug 158341 in samba "Samba is still a pain in kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158341 [04:50] OK. I'd suggest asking in #kubuntu-devel. [04:50] ScottK: I would like to reassign the bug to kubuntu as this is an integration problem with it. [04:50] ScottK: ok - Thanks. [05:07] how big does the swap partition have to be to be able to hibernate? [05:07] does it need to be same size as ram, more? [05:07] calc: 2x RAM in worst case scenario [05:07] calc: usually same size you can get away with it [05:08] it compresses when hibernating right? [05:08] calc: I'm not sure if our default hibernation algorithm does [05:08] oh ok [05:08] uswsusp does, and so does tuxonice (not in Ubuntu) [05:08] i'll just leave it at same size [05:08] * Hobbsee wonders why the update-manager-core upload wants to remove ubuntu-desktop update-manager & update-notifier [05:08] yeah same size is usually safe [05:08] i have 4GB ram so was wondering ;) [05:09] trying to see if i could get away with much less, but it sounds like it would be good to keep it at the same amount [05:09] calc: the hibernator nukes your cache so estimate how much RAM is actually being used by apps [05:09] calc: I'd guess 3-4GB would be enough [05:09] ah ok :) [05:09] But writing out cache to disk makes so much sense! [05:10] so yea same size should definitely be fine then [05:10] Fujitsu: actually IMO it does [05:10] i rarely use anywhere near 4GB without cache [05:10] Fujitsu: it makes the right-after-restore first 5 minutes of usage much less painful [05:10] Hmmm, I guess. [05:10] Fujitsu: and often times that's the most important usecase [05:10] Fujitsu: when I hibernated I used to patch tuxonice just because it writes out the cache too [05:11] Fujitsu: on resume, boom the system is ready to go. With Ubuntu even the unlock screen dialog takes a bloody 10-20 seconds to appear properly [05:11] perhaps that's been improved since 2 releases ago [05:13] i think windows must blow away cache too, since iirc it takes a long time to resume, heh [05:14] calc: some windows services (a lot) use the suspend hook to mean shutdown for some retarded reason [05:14] i.e. half the bootup services actually restart across a resume [05:14] oh wow [05:14] no wonder its slow [05:14] calc: yeah, it's amazing how stupid software vendors could be [05:15] calc: I've seen some demos of "proper" Windows XP boxes and those things go into suspend in 2 seconds and come out before you can get the lid back up [05:15] of course in the real world nobody makes ideal Windows boxes either [05:16] or proper software to run on it [05:16] a windows box with no 3rd party crap on it might be pretty decent ;) [05:30] apparently do-release-upgrade doesn't like a ctrl+C [05:46] kees: ping? [05:47] and damn it, i'd appreciate if the machine i'm using to upgrade another one doesn't crash mid-upgrade! [05:47] hmm i guess he is asleep now [05:48] fabbione: I last saw him 70 minutes ago. [05:49] Hobbsee: Screen is _fun_. [05:49] RAOF: looks like it's in screen [05:50] Hobbsee: Yay for crashes/disconnects not killing upgrades, then. [05:50] hehe, indeed! [05:50] RAOF: even more yay, though [05:50] RAOF: [37%] 3387kB/s 21s [05:51] Hobbsee: _Nice_. Where's that mirror, so I can soak all its bandwidth up? [05:52] RAOF: it's the us.archive.ubuntu.com mirror [05:52] the machine itself is in california. [05:52] Right. I was going to ask whether you were home :) [05:56] RAOF: heh [06:00] hello people === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [06:10] I just learned that Ubuntu's implementation of gcc/g++ is using SSP. Would this prevent using -fno-stack-protector from working? My binary is showing a dependency on GLIBC_2.4 [06:11] I learned about this SSP thing when I discovered that my Debian system builds the binary without a GLIBC_2.4 dependency. [06:14] GBGames: -fno-stack-protector is only useful if SSP is on.. [06:17] Fujitsu: How do I determine if it is? [06:19] SSP has nothing to do with glibc symbol versions; do you have some reason to think that SSP is a problem for your binary? [06:19] slangasek: are you aware that ubuntu-desktop is no longer isntallable? [06:21] slangasek: No, I only know that between my Debian system and my Ubuntu system, the Debian gcc/g++ seems to obey me when I use -fno-stack-protector, but the Ubuntu gcc/g++ seems to ignore it and include GLIBC_2.4 dependencies in my project's binary. [06:21] And in my searching, I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GccSsp [06:21] Hobbsee: was just seeing that, yes [06:22] slangasek: good, just checking [06:22] GBGames: er, GLIBC_2.4 has *nothing* to do with SSP. How have you determined that Ubuntu gcc is ignoring -fno-stack-protector? [06:24] Hobbsee: ah, transient issue with update-manager arch: all/any package skew, AFAICS on amd64 [06:24] slangasek: When the same project using the same build scripts is building differently on the two systems, and I double-checked that my project didn't have some missing flags or anything, I figured that somehow Ubuntu's gcc/g++ is doing something strange. And sure enough, I find this page that explains that the implementation is different from Debian's. [06:24] slangasek: i see it on i386. [06:25] Hobbsee: what does apt-get say is the broken dependency on i386? [06:25] If it isn't ssp, then it must be something else, but I am still stuck with not knowing why it won't build the way I expect it. [06:26] * Hobbsee looks [06:26] GBGames: "building differently" how? Just the GLIBC_2.4 references? [06:26] slangasek: Yes. [06:27] GBGames: that's not a bug, it's different because Debian and Ubuntu have different versions of glibc. [06:28] So it isn't a bug that -fno-stack-protector isn't doing something about removing the stack protection? [06:28] *GLIBC_2.4 has nothing to do with stack protection*. [06:28] slangasek: the dependency on it does, yes. [06:28] slangasek: yeah, might be archive skew. seems my cache doesn't know about update-manager .23 yet [06:28] $ objdump -x source/ld11-minimalist.bin | grep GLIBC_2\.4 [06:28] 0x0d696914 0x00 10 GLIBC_2.4 [06:28] 00000000 F *UND* 00000046 __stack_chk_fail@@GLIBC_2.4 [06:29] slangasek: it appears he is claiming the GLIBC_2.4 references are about stack protection in particular [06:29] at least if i understand what the two of you are talking about :) [06:29] When I use -fno-stack-protector, it does not use stack checking, and since it doesn't need it, it doesn't depend on GLIBC_2.4. [06:29] Except on Ubuntu, it seems. [06:29] GBGames: right, you didn't mention that the symbol in question was __stack_chk_fail ... I can see where that might have something to do with stack protection, yes. [06:30] heh [06:30] Hobbsee: I think it's more than archive skew; in an i386 chroot, I see: Package update-manager is not available, but is referred to by another package. [06:30] which isn't what it should show :/ [06:30] so having the GLIBC_2.4 in there at all isn't a bug but that it is about stack protection in particular is a probably a bug [06:30] slangasek: looks to be a .24 upload in unapproved, too? [06:30] doko will probably be awake in another hour or so [06:31] calc: Well, as that is the only reason why glibc_2.4 is there, it is incidental that it shouldn't depend on 2.4, but yes, stack protection shouldn't be in there when I tell it not to use it. [06:31] I don't think changing the toolchain at this point is particularly wise. [06:31] Hobbsee: mm, I'll look at it shortly then; though the problem I'm seeing on i386 is definitely some sort of archive breakage [06:32] doesn't he manage both debian and ubuntu toolchain (if so how did this bug only affect ubuntu)? [06:32] slangasek: yes... [06:32] because update-manager shouldn't have disappeared from the Packages file [06:32] calc: if SSP isn't enabled in Debian, then that would fit [06:32] Mithrandir: perhaps but it probably should be noted in release notes or somewhere else that stack protector can't be disabled [06:32] calc: Ubuntu has differing implementations from Debian. [06:32] (yes, he maintains both, but that doesn't mean they're identical by any means) [06:32] slangasek: ah ok :) [06:33] *yawn* [06:33] good morning [06:33] Hey dholbach. [06:33] * ogra tickles dholbach [06:34] hi ogra, hi Fujitsu [06:34] how are you guys doing? [06:34] tired [06:35] good morning [06:35] hi Hobbsee [06:35] hi dholbach Hobbsee [06:35] hi emgent [06:35] I'm currently hacking some horrible old PHP at work, but other than that I'm not bad. [06:36] slangasek: What's strange is that it builds my custom versions of libraries correctly. I just checked without -fno-stack-protector, and all of the custom libs now have the symbol and 2.4 dependency. [06:36] php is always bad :) [06:36] emgent: Yes, but this code is particularly bad. [06:36] good luck ;) [06:36] It's not what I mainly work on, fortunately. [06:40] slangasek: http://rafb.net/p/cpNa2S77.html If this helps. I'll paste my regular binaries build script, too. [06:41] http://rafb.net/p/1OYEvr27.html <-- my project's build script [06:41] GBGames: the comments at the top of that first one claim that if you use -fno-stack-protector, you don't get the reference to __stack_chk_fail ? [06:42] slangasek: For the libraries I built, right. [06:42] so the problem is when you build an executable? [06:42] slangasek: Yes, which leads me to believe it might be a problem with my build script, but still specifically when run on Ubuntu. [06:43] Since it runs as expected on Debian. [06:43] we do PIE by default on executables among other things, right? [06:43] on what version of Debian? [06:44] slangasek: Testing, although it isn't necessarily up to date, but it should be updated within the last month. === asac_ is now known as asac [06:45] ok - I was going to say, Debian etch shipped with glibc 2.3.6, so that would be its own explanation ;) [06:59] slangasek: Oh, I bet I know what it is. Since I tell it to link statically with, and libgcc is likely built with stack protector on, the binary is going to have it included. [07:00] Well, taking out the static link flag doesn't change anything, so maybe not. [07:00] In any case, it looks like I'll need to dig down into this issue. Thanks for your help! [07:00] sure, sorry I wasn't of more help really [07:02] slangasek: do you happen to know if the save /home feature of the installer is working yet? [07:02] don't know anything about that, sorry [07:02] ok [07:02] cjwatson: do you happen to know, i forgot the name of the feature [07:03] calc: ubiquity-preserve-home; should be, yes, just don't check the format checkbox for the partition whose /home you want to keep [07:03] (or for /home itself if that's the one you're selecting) [07:03] cjwatson: ah ok [07:03] cjwatson: and it knows to automatically delete everything else? [07:03] that's right [07:03] cool :) [07:04] * calc will backup home to be safe and then test it out [07:04] (of course backups always a good idea, but ...) [07:04] snap [07:05] btw is there anything special needed to format a ext3 fs to do the lazy atime thing, or just a mount option? [07:05] Good morning [07:06] calc: Just mount with relatime. [07:07] what does that do anyway? writing relative atimes doesn't sound much more efficient than writing absolute ones? [07:08] pitti: it reduces the number of disk writes by only writing out atimes when it "matters" [07:08] Morning pitti [07:08] ie. only the first after the mtime changes? [07:08] slangasek: ah, so it still writes absolute atime stamps, but less often [07:09] documented in mount(8), fwiw [07:09] (more clearly than I can explain :) [07:11] Fujitsu: ok [07:11] iirc i read ubuntu does that by default now [07:11] it sets it by default in the installer [07:12] ok [07:12] I don't know what happens with mounts of removable media [07:12] relatime is supposed to help with allowing drive to spin down more also (iirc) [07:13] that's one of the effects, yes [07:13] probably speeds up disk access a bit as well since it isn't always writing out data [07:14] lamont: hm, why does postfix debdonf-asks me about the configuration on every upgrade? [07:14] slangasek: I just checked a different project. It builds fine. I guess something strange is happening with my current project, but I'm still not sure why it only manifests when I build on Ubuntu. In any case, I believe it is a project-specific issue. [07:15] GBGames: ah, well, good luck then :) [07:15] Hobbsee: fwiw, I've accepted update-manager from unapproved; with luck that will kick some sense into the archive, without luck we'll have to go bug-hunting in LP [07:15] slangasek: indeed. [07:16] slangasek: has a new gnome-app-install been uploaded lately? [07:16] * calc hopes we still get openoffice.org metapackage in gai before release [07:16] The build scripts are almost the same. The other project uses an extra library, but otherwise it uses all of the same flags. I think I'll sleep on it. Thanks again! [07:18] * calc bbiab reinstalling laptop [07:18] calc: none in the queue, no [07:19] calc, slangasek: yesterday I accepted some app-install-data-ubuntu which fixed OO.o desktop files [07:34] for the teams that do team reports: it's team report collection time again! [07:35] oh noes, team reports. [07:35] * Hobbsee instantly steps down from all teams she's a part of [07:36] I should probably put more for mine than `NEED MOAR PEOPLE' [07:36] infinity: FYI openhackware has been synced [07:36] Fujitsu: hah [07:39] Fujitsu: Need moar people _and_ ponies? [07:40] RAOF: Magically security ponies. [07:40] *Magical [07:41] Hobbsee: seems to have already fixed itself on my mirror, without even getting the newer version in [07:43] ooh, magic ponies... [07:43] hmmmm [07:43] actually, Packages.bz2 is correct, and Packages.gz is still wrong, on drescher [07:44] well, let's see what the next publisher run brings [07:45] security ponies would rock! avenging security unicorn [07:48] kees, jdstrand: saw http://cansecwest.com/post/2008-03-20.21:33:00.CanSecWest_PWN2OWN_2008 ? [07:49] only ubuntu not owned in this contest. [07:49] emgent: of course that's only because the guy that exploited flash chose to do it on the vista laptop instead of the ubuntu laptop [07:51] i dont know if in ubuntu laptop there was flash [07:51] possible gnash ? :) [07:52] No, Adobe. Because gnash doesn't work the same :) [07:52] Probably doesn't have the same security bugs, but doesn't implement swfv9, and is incomplete. So a bit unfair. [07:58] emgent: ubuntu would've been just as vulnerable. [07:58] emgent: Vista actually had a better chance of fending off these attacks because the browser runs in a RBAC/MDAC jail [07:58] just Adobe for some retarded reason implemented a broker that could escape the jail. [07:59] oh I'm sorry. "Tunnel priviledged permissions through" [07:59] don't sue me Adobe. [08:02] hehe :) [08:04] call me crazy, but I run Firefox inside Apparmor [08:04] if anything is going to compromise me, it'd be my browser [08:07] jdong: we already knew you were on crack. [08:07] but i like that idea [08:09] jdong: +1 [08:09] why not inside a VM on a different host than the one you have your data on? [08:10] Mithrandir: because until Hardy's libvirt stuff I never really found a VM package I liked [08:10] oh wait, you're mocking my paranoia [08:10] :) [08:10] no, I'm not [08:11] but that would be my serious answer [08:11] it's not a bad idea at all [08:11] I'm just saying that if you really think your browser is that insecure, put it in a completely separate context. [08:11] or just use a different machine for it. [08:12] indeed that's another option [08:13] preferably on a separate physical network (or at least different VLAN or if you can't do that, firewalled off from the rest of your network). [08:13] well that's what *this* box intends on being in the future :) [08:14] I don't distrust my browser that much. It's primarily libflashplugin I'm concerned about, nosing around... not to mention the number of extensions I'm using has got to be unhealthy [08:14] don't have flash in your primary browser, then. [08:14] ... [08:14] I really shouldn't [08:15] * Mithrandir doesn't have flash in any of his browsers. [08:15] and I really should separate my sensitive browser profile from my regular surfing browser too [08:40] pitti: cool :) [09:08] hi all [09:24] slangasek: I FIXED IT! [09:25] slangasek: LIBS := -static-libgcc -L. -L${LIB_INSTALL_DIR}/lib $(shell ${LIB_INSTALL_DIR}/bin/sdl-config --libs) -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer #-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 [09:25] See that "-L." ? I removed that. GLIBC_2.4 no more. [09:26] What's strange is that it is in my other project, and that one builds just fine. Weird. [09:27] But it is now 3:30AM, and I need to go to sleep. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:31] Anyone from the MOTU release team around? [09:34] tkamppeter: nope [09:35] we're all dead. [09:35] Anyone from the MOTU release team around? [09:35] tkamppeter: context would help, though. [09:35] Hobbsee, I need a freeze exception for multiverse, bug 219509 [09:35] Launchpad bug 219509 in brother-cups-wrapper-laser1 "printing Din A4 format not working" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219509 [09:35] hahaha [09:39] ScottK: I haven't uploaded anything to Ubuntu since February [09:52] soren: what's the latest thinking re: bug 217815? [09:52] Launchpad bug 217815 in linux "Installation stalls randomly until a key is pressed" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217815 [09:59] mdz, i had probs before with clocksource stuff (cmpc related though), it usually helps to drop tickless as well if experimenting with them by setting nohz=off === GBGames is now known as GBGames|sleep [10:01] mdz: Well, I'm still in the rather odd situation that I'm having difficulty reproducing it. [10:02] mdz: So I'm relying on other people to provide me with testing results. [10:02] any RM available? [10:02] mdz: If it turns out that notsc makes a significant difference, slangasek thought we might be able to squeeze the kernel patch through. [10:02] soren: there's at least one report of it persisting with totsc [10:03] soren: oh, but that's from the person on real hardware [10:03] mdz: Yeah. My gut feeling is still that it's the same problem, though. [10:03] mdz: kvm might just trigger it more often. [10:19] hum, the hwtest update breaks the string freeze and translations for no good reason [10:21] seb128, afaik cr3 was pointed to the docteam to ask for permission first by steve [10:22] ogra: that was for the summary yes [10:22] oh, there is more ? [10:22] but " * Fixed tooltip to be HIG compliant." seems not something worth breaking translations [10:23] could be themeing as well [10:23] i didnt look at the code :) [10:31] can an archive-admin pls. give back foptions? [10:32] norsetto: archive admins can't, buildd admins can; given back [10:32] pitti: ah ok! thanks [10:32] It might not just be buildd-admins soon, which will be good. [10:33] * norsetto checks the buildd-admins list for future victims ... === ion__ is now known as ion_ [10:43] Fujitsu: who else will be given the right for give-backs? [10:44] whoever can upload a package wouldn't be entirely unnatural [10:44] geser: There was a suggestion that component uploaders would have rights over builds for their own component. [10:44] Suggestion from a Soyuz dev, that is. [10:44] sounds really interesting [10:46] since you can worst case just upload the same thing again with a bumped version which is like a give-back, except it takes more time and resources. [10:47] That was the rationale. [10:52] Hi. I would like to ask for a stable release update for bug 174805 [10:52] Launchpad bug 174805 in apache2 "[gutsy] graceful-stop fails when apache listens on more than one socket" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174805 [10:52] Mithrandir: I'd like to request a rebuild of fnonlinear, fregression and funitroots [10:52] I'm having a lot of problems on a high traffic production web server because of this bug [10:52] mok0: kicked [10:53] Mithrandir: ^ [10:53] pitti: thanks [10:53] pitti: cheers [11:03] wie heist das inittab equal unter Ubuntu? [11:03] !de [11:03] Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de [11:03] ups [11:03] sorry wrong channel [11:03] WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! [11:03] sloccount [11:03] MVO!!!!!! [11:03] irssi failure :S [11:04] pitti: das andere is im uebrigen kein bug [11:04] pitti: das procsys is gemounted [11:05] das problem was ausschliesslich die locales [11:05] Silicium: you really want to send me /queries :) [11:05] pitti: that was all i want to say :) [11:05]