[00:02] <tombar> no i cant just open anything at all, i belive it has something to do maybe regarding gdm? i got the xubuntu one instead of gnome actually, (alltough i belive its gdm just themed)
[00:02] <tombar> were could i check? any log at all?
[00:03] <zoredache> I don't know
[00:03] <tombar> ok, well, thanks anyway mate
[00:03] <zoredache> I would also be tempted to stop gdm all together and try doing s startxfce4 from a console
[00:04] <tombar> ok, i would check that now
[00:05] <tombar> brb :)
[00:08] <tombar> woot, got it to work :D now i just need to dig into gdm files to check wtf is happening
[00:09] <tombar> thanks for all your help mate
[00:37] <nonlocal> Can I launch the xfce alt-f2 run dialog from the command line?
[00:37] <nonlocal> Or do I need to use something like gmrun?
[00:37] <TheSheep> nonlocal: use xfrun4
[00:38] <nonlocal> thank you
[00:39] <nonlocal> Switching to openbox to milk a little more performance out of this ancient lappy but I still want some of the Xfce utility I am used to
[03:16] <duckky> anyone have a solution to getting a Broadcom BCM4318 wireless chip working on xubuntu 7.10?
[03:21] <Stroganoff> !ndiswrapper | duckky
[03:21] <ubotu> duckky: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:22] <Stroganoff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190177
[05:39] <redwhitewaldo> ﻿movie files now show just a black window, but sound plays fine. what happened? ﻿movies used to play fine
[05:42] <owen1> what's the name of the clock app that sits in the top panel in ubuntu 8.04?
[05:48] <owen1> i want to add it to my xubuntu?
[06:01] <ll450> hi
[06:01] <ll450> a k6 433mhz laptop with 192mb of ram would be good for xubuntu right?
[06:02] <ll450> though i'm in a tougher situation where the disk drives and CD-ROM drive are broken and unusable
[06:02] <ll450> so a way to install xubuntu is farfetched
[06:02] <redwhitewaldo> when i put a cd into the drive, i don't get any indication on my desktop. i'm on 8.04
[06:02] <redwhitewaldo> what's wrong?
[06:09] <owen1> why can't I mark folders/files with the mouse on the desktop?
[06:10] <owen1> and why moving stuff with the mouse is copy and not move?
[07:05] <slimjimflim> aaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!
[07:05] <slimjimflim> my xubuntu is self-destructing!!!!!!!!
[07:05] <slimjimflim> slowly but surely
[07:08] <nakora> pretty detailed description ;-)
[08:26] <vidd> slimjimflim, you still here?
[08:27] <slimjimflim> yes
[08:27] <vidd> why do you say your stuff is self destructing?
[08:27] <slimjimflim> vidd, i'm playing trivia
[08:27] <slimjimflim> hang on
[08:27] <slimjimflim> ok
[08:29] <slimjimflim> so a week ago or so, my audio stopped working when i watched flash movies, so i compiled the latest flash player from adobe and it worked, now my sound is gone and also my taskbars refuse to autohide
[08:29] <slimjimflim> i'm mostly worried about the audio atm
[08:29] <slimjimflim> gutsy
[08:29] <vidd> do you have a seperate home partition?
[08:30] <slimjimflim> no
[08:30] <vidd> hrm
[08:30] <slimjimflim> you mean for my home dir?
[08:30] <vidd> normally, i would say reinstall protecting your /home partion, but since you dont have one....
[08:31] <slimjimflim> you think my system is compromised?
[08:31] <vidd> not compromised....
[08:31] <slimjimflim> vulnerable
[08:32] <slimjimflim> well, i really doubt that's the problem
[08:32] <vidd> just *^(*^^% up so much that re-install is faster then hunt, clear, repair, try again
[08:32] <slimjimflim> what does that have to do w/ my audio driver?
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i'm not a big fan of reinstalling
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i fix my problems
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i've had this same install for at least 6 months
[08:33] <vidd> well...a re-install is not nearly as scary as it is in other OS'es
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i know
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i've done it many times
[08:33] <slimjimflim> i've used linux a while
[08:34] <slimjimflim> and i don't like getting into the habit of reinstalling every other week
[08:34] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge x11-common && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo apt-get install xubuntudesktop usually fixes nearly everything
[08:35] <vidd> and its not "technically" a re-install
[08:35] <vidd> =]
[08:35] <slimjimflim> thanks but no thanks
[08:35] <vidd> do you know what audio driver you use?
[08:35] <slimjimflim> don't worry about it
[08:37] <vidd> is this a laptop or a desktop?
[08:37] <slimjimflim> don't worry about it
[08:37] <vidd> im not worried about it....but i can still offer assistance
[08:37] <vidd> =]
[08:38] <vidd> i do have less invasive methods for fixing issues
[08:40] <slimjimflim> well, see, now i don't trust you b/c w/o trying to tell me what that would do, you told me to run the command
[08:40] <slimjimflim> so thanks but no thanks, i'll stick w/ google
[08:41] <slimjimflim> i wouldn't have ever considered removing x11
[08:41] <vidd> what are you talking about...i told you...it was a re-install
[08:42] <slimjimflim> i'm not reinstalling either
[08:42] <vidd> i know that
[08:42] <vidd> so...is it a laptop or a desktop?
[08:44] <dikdik_> hello
[08:45] <dikdik_> has anyone successfully installed xubuntu on an oldish iMac?
[08:46] <dikdik_> i have one of the first 233mhz and when I boot from the xubuntu live cd it drops me into busybox with a message saying "h_disp too large"
[08:46] <dikdik_> tried google and the only relevant discussion thread went nowhere
[14:06] <angela__75> hello there!
[14:06] <angela__75> having troubles with xubuntu 8.04
[14:06] <angela__75> xfce4-session seems to freeze after gdm
[14:09] <angela__75> any hints?
[15:48] <djouallah> hello, i have a 256 mb ram pc, and i am using kubuntu 8.04rc, does it make a difference to install xfce !
[15:48] <TheSheep> yes, xfce is different than kde
[15:49] <djouallah> i mean is there a real difference in memory impact
[15:49] <TheSheep> yes
[15:49] <djouallah> worst i am using wubi so it even slower ;)
[15:50] <djouallah> is there any wm lighter then xfce, i read of openbox
[15:57] <maristo> hi
[15:58] <gaurdro> djouallah fluxbox is.
[15:58] <gaurdro> hello maristo
[17:11] <TheSheep> argh, the rescheduling iterrupts bug is back :/
[17:15] <floating> is insserv and update-rc.d doing the same thing ? I suppose to use insserv to add multilevel symbolic links , but i have used to do update-rc.d and in xubuntu the insserv is not installed
[17:18] <zoredache> they both seem to be adjusting the boot up scripts
[17:18] <zoredache> update-rc.d is arguably the more standard way to adjust things though
[17:23] <floating> that comforts me a bit.  i have a school assigned where it says "make symbolic links to runlevel directories ( insserv scriptname) so that the service starts on bootup. the assignment system is opensuse though
[17:23] <floating> so as long as update-rc.d does the same thing, i can use it
[17:24] <floating> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
[17:24] <floating> and according to that it should be the same thing too ^^
[17:26] <floating> zoredache: how about if i only added a command/script in /etc/rc.local ..doesnt those commands be run on all levels too ? is there some difference
[17:26] <zoredache> floating: from what I read in the package description insserv tries to do a little more and it tries to order things to be more efficient... whatever that means...
[17:27] <zoredache> rc.local gets run at most levels
[17:27] <zoredache> I am pretty sure it doesn't get run in single user (failsafe) mode
[17:28] <zoredache> unless you are doing something weird the only run level you'll really care about is 2
[17:29] <floating> in this assignment, i set up ftp server pureftpd to run on boot up, so setting that with insserv doesnt really provide much anything different than update-rc.d
[17:29] <floating> maybe?
[17:29] <zoredache> that sounds correct.  I really don't have much experience with insserv
[17:29] <floating> oki
[17:38] <djouallah> hi if u have a net connexion in a lan, it is safe to remove networkmanger ?
[17:39] <zoredache> your network will work without network manager
[17:40] <djouallah> thanks
[17:40] <djouallah>  i have only 256 mb ram
[17:40] <zoredache> you may make upgrade is the future more difficult though since you will need to remove the xubuntu-desktop package
[17:42] <keb> is there an xubuntu-minimal
[17:43] <djouallah> i am on kubuntu and i want to change to xfce how to do !
[17:43] <Stroganoff> djouallah: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:43] <TheSheep> keb: it's the same as the ubuntu minimal, it's so minimal that all the differeneces didn't make it :)
[17:43] <keb> nice
[17:46] <djouallah> wow 174 mb to installet it ;)
[17:56] <Helsu> How can I stop it from asking for a username or password when I want to view it from a windows desktop?
[17:57] <zoredache> it?
[18:00] <Helsu> the server
[18:01] <keb> are you trying to use Explorer to browse the server's shared folders?
[18:01] <zoredache> are you talking about samba?
[18:02] <zoredache> if you want to not be prompted set the same username/password on both computers
[18:04] <Helsu> I'm trying to use explorer, yes
[18:04] <Helsu> the windows explorer
[19:12] <Creeture> Hey all. I'd like to configure a keyboard shortcut in xfce to switch to a given workspace. My specific combination is alt-1, alt-2. Where is that configured?
[19:13] <TheSheep> Creeture: settings->setting manager->window manager
[19:14] <TheSheep> Creeture: then the 'keyboard' tab
[19:14] <Creeture> got it. I was looking under Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[19:15] <Creeture> Beautiful. Thanks.
[19:15] <Creeture> I can't seem to convince myself to try the Ctrl-F1 combination that is the default. Doesn't feel right.
[19:17]  * TheSheep just uses alt+ctrl+left and alt+ctrl+right
[19:17] <nyn> hi, I'm trying so connect to a vpn via networkmanager, doesn't work, I get the msg "VPN connection failed", but it doesn't say why, how can I get a more detailed explanation from the NM?
[19:18] <TheSheep> nyn: you could try checking in /var/log/messages
[19:19] <TheSheep> nyn: or /var/log/syslog
[19:20] <nyn> is that the same output as with dmesg?
[19:20] <TheSheep> messges is the same, I think, syslog is more application-specific
[19:21] <nyn> thanks, I had no idea where to look for it ^^
[19:23] <Creeture> Unless you changed syslog.conf, /var/log/syslog is the catchall (*.*) log. If you're ever installing a server and get too much disk I/O from logging, don't forget to look there first.
[19:26] <nyn> hm, understanding that log file will tak lots of googling -.-'
[19:27] <Creeture> What kind of VPN are you setting up?
[19:27] <TheSheep> it's basically output of all the applications that are running
[19:28] <nyn> what do you mean by "kind"?
[19:28] <Creeture> SSL, PPTP, Nortel, Cisco, etc.
[19:28] <nyn> pptp
[19:29] <Creeture> Try configuring it as specified at http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml first, then try the Network Manager option.
[19:29] <floating> what samba related things does xubuntu install by default ?
[19:29] <Creeture> Skip down and just do the by-hand part. Skip the GUIs.
[19:29] <floating> i mean there is /etc/pam.d/samba but when i do apt-cache policy samba it says i dont have it installed
[19:30] <Creeture> floating: By default, you get samba-common libsmbclient and smbclient -- no server stuff at all.
[19:31] <floating> ok. i have an assignment to compile samba from source with pam and pam_smbpass options.. i guess i can just start doing this
[19:31] <Ben_Cs> hi guys
[19:32] <floating> just little worried if something is already there and i get lost
[19:32] <Ben_Cs> what's this wierd flash plugin for firefox 3?
[19:32] <floating> im not too experienced with linux
[19:32] <Creeture> floating: Good reference material would be apt-get source samba
[19:32] <Creeture> Look down in the debian directory to do some serious learning.
[19:33] <floating> apt-get source samba... that doesnt install anything yet ?
[19:33] <nyn> Creeture : the name you wish to use to refer to the tunnel ($TUNNEL), the authentication domain name ($DOMAIN), those two things already trouble me since there's no more information available than the vpn server ip and the fact that they use pptp and encryption
[19:33] <floating> since i have to avoid that normal apt-get install :)
[19:34] <Creeture> nyn: $TUNNEL is something you make up. You can most likely just leave the $DOMAIN part out.
[19:34] <nyn> i guess as $TUNNEL I can choose whatever name I want?
[19:34] <nyn> ah okay
[19:35] <Creeture> Don't forget to install pptp-linux first. :)
[19:35] <nyn> about the encryption: is that already pptp? (I'm sorry if thats a stupid question, but I know very little about these things)
[19:35] <keb> Ben_Cs : if you type about:plugins into the firefox address bar it will tell you a bit more
[19:36] <floating> Creeture: its better to compile from that apt-get source samba than from samba.org current stable release tar.gz ?
[19:36] <Creeture> floating: Depends on your needs. Why are you compiling from source?
[19:38] <floating> school assignment. to learn about compiling from source and having some options in .configure and later editing files like /etc/pam.d/passwd  , creating smb.conf
[19:39]  * Creeture would like to beat your teacher. Not a good teaching assignment. Whatever...
[19:39] <floating> heh
[19:39] <Creeture> If that's the case, just download the pristine source and play from there.
[19:40] <floating> okok, but i already did apt-get source samba and it seemed to extract it and all, i would like to go from there if thats fine? :)
[19:40] <Creeture> yup
[19:40] <floating> okiz
[19:42] <Ben_Cs> keb: i don't understand. is it an official adobe flash plugin? i read somewhere that flash doesn't work on firefox3
[19:42] <Creeture> Ben_Cs: Works on mine. Just installed it half an hour ago.
[19:42] <keb> Ben_Cs i don't know.  what does about:plugins tell you it is?
[19:43] <keb> i'm not sure whether gnash or adobe's flashplayer comes bundled with xubuntu 8.04
[19:44] <Creeture> Neither was bundled. When you click the "click here to install plugin" button in firefox, it gives you the options. I chose the nonfree one.
[19:44] <Ben_Cs> keb: Adobe Flash movie,FutureSplash movie
[19:45] <keb> there you go
[19:48] <Creeture> Another XFCE question. Whenever I'm on workspace/desktop 1 and firefox is running over on 4, I click on a link in Pidgin. Instead of opening it in firefox on 4, it brings firefox to my current workspace. Any idea where to configure THAT?
[19:59] <floating> this is really hard. i am trying to figure out what is what with pam and samba and i cant get the blocks right. i suppose first i do ./configure --with-pam --with-pam_smbpass (compile with pam and pam_smbpass, then make and make install(?)  then i install pam_smbpass from its subdir with make and make install? at least make is mentioned in README. then .so is created and i install that with  install -m 755 -s bin/pam_smbpass.so /lib/security
[20:01] <floating> my head explodes trying to understand these without try and see, but with compiling, its not very good to try and see
[20:05] <floating> ./configure --with-pam --with-pam_smbpass  if there are 2 options, i just do it like this ? :o)
[20:06] <floating> Usage: ./configure [OPTION]... [VAR=VALUE]...
[20:06] <floating> that doesnt help :(
[20:06] <floating> i get a feeling that only 1 option is possible
[20:07] <floating> hmm, this is not very xubuntu-related sorry
[20:10] <keb> if there is a #samba you could try there
[20:11] <keb> did you check ./configure --help ?
[20:11] <keb> it should tell you if the options conflict or go together
[20:12] <floating> yeah it says that usage
[20:12] <floating> no option conflict i think, only syntax
[20:12] <keb> further down it will describe the options in deail
[20:12] <keb> *detail
[20:13] <keb> your syntax looks correct
[20:13] <floating> okz^^
[20:13] <keb> the samba home page will have some docs on compiling for different platforms
[20:16] <Creeture> floating: look at samba.../debian/rules - conf_args is at the top.
[20:17] <Creeture> And on a completely unrelated note, the new Raconteurs album is really excellent.
[20:18] <keb> is that the Ubuntu band?
[20:19] <Creeture> Absolutely.
[20:29] <nyn> Creeture : I'm back and now trying to follow the instructions from your link earlier, which says to create a options.pptp file, I already have that and all the things I'm supposed to write into that file are already there plus some other things I recognize from the options of the NM. Should I leave the file as it is or replace the content entirely as said on the linked page?
[20:30] <Creeture> Leave it as-is. The Ubuntu one worked well for me.
[20:31] <Creeture> The most important part, when you get down to it, is that little tip that says use "pon $TUNNEL debug dump logfd 2 nodetach"
[20:33] <Drew3b> Hi folks,  7.10, I have a HP-3915 deskjet,   Is there a possible conflict between cups and xubuntu's standard printing system?
[20:37] <Creeture> er, cups IS xubuntu's standard printing system
[20:37] <Stroganoff> :D
[20:37] <Creeture> Should work pretty interchangeably.
[20:38] <Stroganoff> Drew3b if it doesnt work you should try 'hplip'
[20:40] <nyn> Creeture, I'm not at "pon $TUNNEL", entered it into the terminal, no output, does that mean its working?
[20:40] <nyn> *now
[20:41] <Creeture> ifconfig ppp0 and see what you got. also look at /var/log/syslog
[20:42] <nyn> it says it did not find a device
[20:42] <Creeture> do the debug line then.
[20:42] <Creeture> What's your tunnel name? Should be the same as the file you created in /etc/ppp/peers
[20:43] <nyn> it is the same: uni_rostock
[20:43] <Creeture> then do pon uni_rostock debug dump logfd 2 nodetach
[20:46] <Creeture> Great. Now I have Dorito fingers.
[20:46] <nyn> there's alot of output, I guess the important one is this: anon warn[pptp_gre_bind:pptp_gre.c:82]: socket: Operation not permitted anon fatal[main:pptp.c:275]: Cannot bind GRE socket, aborting. Modem hangup Connection terminated.
[20:47] <Creeture> Dude, run it with priviliges. sudo before all of that.
[20:47] <nyn> sry -.-
[20:48] <cody-somerville> Please help test the latest daily (it will become the actual release if all goes well)! :)
[20:49] <cody-somerville> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[20:49] <keb> awesome!
[20:49] <Drew3b> I have hplip, does this location look about correct ---> hp:/usb/Deskjet_3900?serial=TH5BJ144XH04CG
[20:51] <Creeture> Speaking of testing...how do I turn off the boot and shutdown splash screens? My machine won't shutdown properly and I can't see where it is hanging.
[20:51] <Ben_Cs> good to know that in hardy the support of ipod is much better
[20:51] <Ben_Cs> what's the name of the newest player based on xmms? i forgot
[20:51] <Creeture> Ben_Cs: beep media player
[20:52] <Ben_Cs> thanks Creeture
[20:52] <keb> Drew3b : looks ok.  did it find the printer when you plugged it in?
[20:54] <simcop2387-lap> ok quick question thats somewhat generic ubuntu, but lets say i had a system booting damn small linux on a system that only has an external usb cdrom that it can't boot off of, what should i have a look at to start the xubuntu install from inside DSL?
[20:59] <Drew3b> keb:  that address ^ was show automatically, nothing else was displayed , it could be that there are 29 jobs 'stuck' in the que, and cups does not seem to be able to dump them, cups says "zero jobs", but each attempt at printing show job number 29+ ,
[21:02] <Drew3b> How many times should one try the same thing and expect a different result?  Answer = 29 :-) :-)
[21:02] <Creeture> 42?
[21:02] <keb> lol
[21:02] <Drew3b> Creeture: :-)
[21:04] <Drew3b> I tried reinstalling printer related 'stuff', then went ahead after a while to move from 7.04 to 7.10, hoping for some relief.
[21:05] <Stroganoff> simcop2387-lap come again? anyway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#head-ca8e337bdfab6bfa1d064371898775fe1e9e22fd
[21:05] <Drew3b> This is an odd-ball printer, (HP-3915) it did work for a while <shrug>
[21:06] <simcop2387-lap> Stroganoff: ah thanks, thats what i was looking for
[21:06] <Stroganoff> so why didn't you look for it? ;)
[21:07] <simcop2387-lap> i was i didn't see that part
[21:09] <Ben_Cs> what player does gtkpod work with except xmms that is OLD
[21:09] <Ben_Cs> ?
[21:09] <Stroganoff> audacious that is new
[21:11] <Ben_Cs> so in the exec line i just change xmms to audacious? i tried bmpx (beep experimental) but it didn't integrate in gtkpod
[21:11] <keb> Drew3b in CUPS do you see 28 jobs in the Completed list?
[21:12] <TheSheep> some hp printers require you to upload firmawere to them before you can use them
[21:12] <TheSheep> firmware*
[21:13] <Stroganoff> Ben_Cs i dont have experience with gtkpod but i'd try i like you mentioned
[21:13] <keb> wouldnt that be "download"
[21:13] <TheSheep> keb: it's similar to donwloading, only the direction is from teh computer to the printer...
[21:13] <keb> TheSheep : agreed. lowe end hp laserjets for sure, but i never heard of inkjets wanting that
[21:15] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: yeh, audacious work fine
[21:15] <keb> wow i didnt know CUPS was owned by Apple.  i'm surprised they released it
[21:16] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: btw what's ipod shuffle 3rd gen? i know only 2nd gen. is it only firmware upgrade?
[21:16] <Creeture> keb: Didn't used to be. Mid year last year I think Apple bought CUPS.
[21:17] <Creeture> So they could put it into OSX without worry.
[21:17] <keb> i guess it isnt GPL then
[21:17] <Stroganoff> Ben_Cs i dont have ipods
[21:17] <Ben_Cs> WOW!!! i love the SAFELY REMOVE xfce 4.4.2 feature!
[21:17] <Creeture> keb: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L475+TNews+P1+Q
[21:21] <Stroganoff> savely remove? what is that?
[21:23] <keb> Creeture : interesting thanks
[21:24] <Drew3b> keb: In cups, it shows no jobs,
[21:25] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: it's a nice feature in hardy. like winblows has
[21:25] <Stroganoff> you mean trash bin? :D
[21:25] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: anyway the disconnecting of portable devices and especially ipods is done the right way in hardy
[21:26] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: no, i mean "safely remove" flash drives
[21:27] <Stroganoff> wasn't i done the right way via right click -> unmount before?
[21:27] <keb> Drew3b if you go to the Printers tab in CUPS, what is the Printer State of your printer?
[21:28] <Drew3b> However when canceling a job , it shows job 32 canceled.  (32 attempts at a test page)
[21:31] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: yes but now it does it properly, and it can be done via the xfce panel
[21:31] <Stroganoff> nice
[21:33] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: i have an hp deskjet 3650. it's a network printer connected to windows pc. when i send a job, it makes some noise and then stops, printing nothing. windows shows a waiting job, but the job is stuck. sounds familiar?
[21:33] <arke> hmm
[21:33] <Drew3b> Accouding to cups, the printer is available and no jobs are in the que, but also according to cups, "after I cancel a job" Job No.32 has been canceled. I've tried canceling all jobs. keb
[21:33] <arke> Will Xubuntu have _too_ much trouble with 128MB RAM?
[21:34] <Ben_Cs> arke: use fluxbuntu instead?
[21:34]  * Creeture hands arke $30 to quadruple his RAM.
[21:34]  * Drew3b is using 128 mb and xubuntu for 2+ years arke
[21:34] <keb> sdram isnt cheap
[21:35] <arke> Ben_Cs: heh, I wish. :)
[21:35] <arke> Ben_Cs: just downloaded fluxbuntu
[21:35] <Creeture> 1GB $33.99 US.
[21:35] <Drew3b> same here, the ran is for this box cost 3-4 times regular ram.
[21:35] <Creeture> Drew3b: What are you running?
[21:35] <Drew3b> About a $1 a MB.
[21:35] <arke> Ben_Cs: nothing but trouble, couldn't even get the liveCD to run for several reasons.
[21:35] <arke> Drew3b: that's comforting to hear. :)
[21:36] <Drew3b> A Dell with funky ram.
[21:36] <keb> Drew3b does CUPS detect when the printer is unplugged?
[21:36] <Creeture> You sure it's funky? Dell likes to pretend.
[21:36] <Creeture> Anyway, /me got off track. :)
[21:37] <arke> Creeture: oddly enough, older RAM is more expensive than newer RAM. :)
[21:37] <arke> plus, I can't even get this type of RAM at the local store anymore
[21:37] <arke> finally, I want to use this system as a baseline system for a game we're developing
[21:37] <Drew3b> Creeture: yeah, I'm certain.
[21:37] <arke> (as in, it must run on this machine with acceptable framerate)
[21:37] <Ben_Cs> i have an hp deskjet 3650. it's a network printer connected to windows pc. when i send a job, it makes some noise and then stops, printing nothing. windows shows a waiting job, but the job is stuck. what can i do to fix it?
[21:37] <arke> so the 128MB needs to stay :) just need a nice distro for it.
[21:38] <Ben_Cs> arke: i liked mint fluxbox ce
[21:38] <Drew3b> keb: I just unplugged it an I will see...
[21:38] <Creeture> I know it's more expensive. I went out to a local computer shop last week. Bought a fully functional machine with a 2.something CPU, 1GB RAM, 160GB hard drive for $199. Threw the old crap away.
[21:39] <Ben_Cs> arke: ofcourse xubuntu is way better :)
[21:39] <Ben_Cs> anyone please - about my printer?
[21:39] <arke> :)
[21:40] <Stroganoff> Ben_Cs: try hplip
[21:40] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: i just configured by the xubuntu configurator
[21:40] <Drew3b> keb:  Yes, cups says it is available, even when unplugged (power) usb still connected.
[21:40] <keb> hmm
[21:41]  * arke downloads xubuntu
[21:41] <arke> hmm
[21:41] <arke> will xubuntu's regular install explode for having less than 192mb?
[21:41] <floating> Creeture: after compiling and installing samba, theres a subdir pam_smbpass which i oughta 'make' to get a pam_smbpass.so ,but theres no make file in the subdir, and the INSTALL file is not saying directly how to 'make'
[21:42] <floating> any tips on this matter?
[21:42] <Creeture> floating: Probably gets built as a target in the higher level directory.
[21:44] <floating> so i might need to make a new ./configure in the samba dir(one higher) that would do the install concerning that subdir...
[21:44] <floating> the INSTALL says something that could mean this, but im not good intepreter
[21:45] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: from what i see the printer is configured as: HP DeskJet 3650 Foomatic/hpijs, hpijs 2.8.2
[21:46] <keb> Drew3b if you go to Modify Printer, on the second page of it what Device are you using?
[21:47] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/993753 it says this in the INSTALL in the subdir (pam_smbpass)
[21:47] <floating> that concerns the make process
[21:48] <floating> so should i make ./configure --with-fhs --with-privatedir=/etc --with-configdir=/etc
[21:49] <Ben_Cs> Stroganoff: hplip is better?
[21:50] <Stroganoff> Ben_Cs i dont know really
[21:50] <Creeture> floating: I dunno. Not my homework. :)
[21:50] <keb> Drew3b : http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_3915  they suggest using the hpijs driver
[21:51] <keb> oh hplip
[21:51] <keb> *or
[21:52] <Ben_Cs> well i'm trying hplip
[21:53] <Ben_Cs> btw ppl, is xubuntu Canonical produced or community produced?
[21:53] <Creeture> It's official.
[21:54] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: community
[21:55] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: Impressing. The fast developement and the quality. Mint xfce ce lacks it
[21:55] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it actually uses a lot of parts from ubuntu, but agreed that developers are doing a great work
[21:57] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: one of the things i noticed right away is the much improved IPOD support
[22:05] <floating> Creeture: is it theorethically possible that i built and installed samba in /samba/ and then after that i built and make stuff from /samba/pam_smbpass in /samba/ dir again ... there is a #
[22:06] <floating> #
[22:06] <floating>         install -m 755 -s bin/pam_smbpass.so /lib/security <-- special install comand though after that.. http://pastebin.ca/993765
[22:06] <floating> nice paste :o)
[22:07] <floating> i will try then... since no one in #samba is not answering either
[22:08] <Creeture> Did it create the pam_smbpass.so file in current directory? Did you keep a copy of your make output?
[22:09] <floating> didnt create, and.. no, unless make output saves automatically to a file
[22:09] <Creeture> No, it doesn't. Just make >make.log 2>&1
[22:10] <Stroganoff> what does &1 stand for?
[22:10] <floating> #
[22:10] <floating> If all goes well in the build process, the file pam_smbpass.so will be
[22:10] <floating> #
[22:10] <TheSheep> 2>&1 means 'redicrect stderr to stdout'
[22:10] <Stroganoff> ok
[22:10] <TheSheep> redirect
[22:10] <Creeture> that's output file descriptor 1 (standard output) to make.log and output file descriptor 2 (standard error) to the same place as 1
[22:10] <Stroganoff> yep thx :D
[22:11] <floating> oh, pastebin pastes are not working very nicely. anyway, that pam_smbpass.so "will be created in the build process" ... doesnt this mean the build process of this pam_smbpass, or does it mean the build process of the actual samba that i have done already ?
[22:11] <Creeture> the main build process that you already did.
[22:11] <floating> ohh
[22:14] <floating> whats the best way to search for this file ?
[22:14] <floating> simple ls really doesnt show this .so file in there... should i do the samba configure thing and make again and put it in file and look for it like you say
[22:15] <floating> hmm, maybe i dont need to do the configure, i just do make, if it has my configuration settings, alright
[22:16] <Creeture> ./configure only needs to be done once if you got it right the first time.
[22:16] <Creeture> make clean && make 2>&1 | tee make.log
[22:16] <Creeture> You don't need a make install
[22:20] <floating> cpu% is over 90 now when it is building :)
[22:21] <floating> had to check since my fan started to keep more noise too
[22:22] <floating> i wonder what kind of trouble i am in, if there are errors, and i have already done make install :(
[22:23] <acidBURN> is xubuntu rc going to be relase ?
[22:23] <Creeture> Doesn't matter, does it, floating? This is just for learning anyway.
[22:24] <keb> acidBURN you can make it happen sooner ;) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[22:25] <floating> heh, if you have that last pastebin open, the bottom states the install command. actually that pam_smbpass.so is in /samba/bin/ directory ^^ i thought the working directory meant the /samba/ dir where i did the make and make install
[22:25] <acidBURN> hey, coming from windows vista
[22:25] <floating> s/working/current
[22:28] <floating> creeture, this new make command was supposed to show error messages on screen ?
[22:29] <floating> i didnt witness errors, though i didnt pay much attention. make.log has no errors i think. only the pam_smbpass.so is in /samba/bin when i thought it is in /samba/ since i thought that was the current directory. well, i do         install -m 755 -s bin/pam_smbpass.so /lib/security  in... samba or samba/bin dir :)
[22:34] <Creeture> floating: Sure. Try it. me, I would've just aptitude install libpam-smbpass :)
[22:36] <floating> seems to have worked. now the assignment wants me to edit /etc/pam.d/passwd ..i dont know why to edit it. it just says it is a conf file for shadow password.. hmhm, also i should edit /etc/pam.d/sshd ,but that file doesnt even exist.. wellwell
[22:38] <Creeture> Best of luck figuring it out. I have to go pick up the kid.
[22:56] <floating> man smb.conf | wc -l ; 7226 ; :o)
[23:04] <keb> reading is an important skill
[23:04] <TheSheep> searching with / even more so ;)
[23:13] <cab86> anyone who can tell me how to fix a permission issue with my ati drivers?
[23:21] <shane_> hi all
[23:21] <cab86> welcome to the silence...
[23:21] <shane_> thanks
[23:22] <shane_> are you involved in xubuntu dev by any chance?
[23:22] <PsynoKhi0> Hey, any tips on how to make my laptop harddrive run cooler? 53C idle doesn't seem great
[23:22] <cab86> nope, i'm here seeking help...
[23:22] <shane_> i would clean the fan for starters...
[23:23] <shane_> whats the prob cab86?
[23:23] <PsynoKhi0> on a laptop?
[23:23] <keb> cab86 what error do you get?
[23:23] <shane_> yes...
[23:23] <keb> they say silence is golden
[23:24] <shane_> PsynoKhi0: you will have to open the back/bottom of it...
[23:24] <keb> make sure you are using the laptop on a hard surface, so that the air vents on the bottom are not blocked
[23:25] <shane_> usually dust clogs up the fan and the heat radiator fins... which causes the heating..
[23:26] <shane_> cleaning out the dust drops temps by at least 10 degrees C for me
[23:27] <shane_> keb u involve in xubuntu dev work?
[23:27] <keb> nope
[23:27] <shane_> hm.. have you tried xubuntu hardy rc?
[23:28] <keb> just downloaded it today
[23:29] <PsynoKhi0> k thanks, bye
[23:29] <shane_> have you installed it?
[23:29] <keb> not yet
[23:29] <shane_> it automatically installs open office... even though abiword is the default office suite...
[23:29] <keb> lol we didnt around get to telling him about removing unneeded processes
[23:30] <shane_> which is a huge bug IMO
[23:30] <shane_> hehe
[23:30] <keb> i'm hoping OOo got leaner and meaner like firefox3
[23:31] <shane_> yeah...
[23:31] <keb> for ubuntu OOo is default
[23:31] <shane_> which is why ubiquity install OO
 I originaly installed the ati ones manualy, didn't work, the commands would segfault, so I used envy, same result, I reinstalled the ATI ones differently, still didn't work... then i allowed the ones from the repos, then the commands worked
[23:33] <cab86> great help those #Ubuntu ppl... left me in the same situation w/o even letting me finish telling them what was wrong
[23:34] <cab86> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
[23:34] <cab86> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied)
[23:34] <cab86> that's the error that I get
[23:35] <keb> you must gave gotten kicked for paste-flooding
[23:35] <cab86> no
[23:35] <cab86> i left due to frustration
[23:36] <Stroganoff> ati drivers can be frustrating.
[23:36] <cab86> they work though
[23:36] <cab86> only on sudo
[23:36] <cab86> not regular usr
[23:37] <cab86> therefore i cannot launch any opengl app w/o doing it as root
[23:37] <Stroganoff> have you tried manually changing the permissions of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
[23:37] <cab86> yep, but it seems that they are right...
[23:38] <cab86> again, i cannot see those permissions unless i'm in root
[23:38] <Stroganoff> why not?
[23:38] <cab86> regular user: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: Permission denied
[23:38] <cab86> sudo: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 15367112 2008-04-20 22:35 fglrx_dri.so
[23:39] <cab86> now, from the gues i've looked at, this file has the correct permissions...
[23:39] <Stroganoff> and what about /usr/lib/dri/
[23:39] <Stroganoff> ?
[23:39] <keb> can you ls -ltra /usr/lib/dri as a regular user?
[23:39] <cab86> well i got those answer doing  ls -l /usr/lib/dri |grep fglrx_dri
[23:40] <cab86> keb, nope, permission denied all accross the board
[23:40] <keb> the the permissions on /usr/lib/dri are wrong
[23:40] <keb> *then
[23:40] <cab86> how could I be able to change them?
[23:42] <keb> mine is drwxr-xr-x with root.root as the owner.group
[23:42] <cab86> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       13 2008-04-20 23:09 dri -> /usr/lib/dri/
[23:42] <cab86> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 15367112 2008-04-20 22:35 fglrx_dri.so
[23:42] <cab86> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  2138876 2008-04-05 18:06 i810_dri.so
[23:43] <cab86> all the other files are as the last one
[23:43] <keb> what about the directory /usr/lib/dri itself
[23:44] <cab86>  sudo ls -l /usr/lib/dri   ???
[23:44] <cab86>  sudo ls -l /usr/lib/dri   <<< that gave me those entries above
[23:45] <cab86> i'm not sure how to check the directory itself
[23:45] <cab86>  ls -l /usr/lib |grep dri
[23:45] <cab86> drw-r--r--  2 root root     4096 2008-04-20 23:09 dri
[23:46] <cab86> would that be correct?
[23:47] <keb> that looks like the problem there
[23:47] <keb> sudo chmod +x /usr/lib/dri
[23:48] <cab86> ok, i'm giving that a try
[23:48] <cab86> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root     4096 2008-04-20 23:09 dri
[23:48] <cab86> brb, launching UrbanTerror
[23:49] <keb> i'm not sure how you got that symlink
[23:49] <cab86> which one?
[23:50] <cab86> it kept saying 'file created'
[23:50] <zellfaz1> anyone here play pMARS?
[23:50] <cab86> aside from that... the drivers worked fine using sudo everytime
[23:50] <zellfaz1> need some help compiling it
[23:51] <cab86> compiz still not working though....   (that's another one that works fine using sudo)
[23:53] <cab86> still opengl under user do not work
[23:54] <cab86> ...loading libGL.so.1:
[23:54] <cab86> Calling SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO)...
[23:54] <cab86> SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO) passed.
[23:54] <cab86> Received signal 11, exiting...
[23:56] <keb> thats in your Xorg.0.log ?
[23:57] <cab86> do you want just the errors or the whole thing? where do you want it (i doubt flood protection in the channel would let me...)
[23:58] <keb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[23:58] <cab86> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64046/