[00:28] <Arrow> Hi all
[00:29] <Arrow> Yay Hardy 64 RC just booted on my new system
[00:29]  * Arrow is so happy
[00:32] <Arrow> So I need to insmod a raid driver and get X to do the same with RadeonHD
[00:38] <oldmanemu> does anyone know anything about "damn small linux"?
[00:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i hear google knows a lot about a lot of things - this is the support channel for kubuntu
[00:44] <oldmanemu> Daisuke_ldo: i know that, i  have been trying #damnsmall linux for 2 days and get kno answer!
[00:45] <oldmanemu> sorry, #damnsmalllinux
[00:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[00:45]  * Daisuke_Ido was tempted to use a language botcommand :D
[00:45] <Daisuke_Ido> but nah...  i actually don't know much about it beyond the few things common to all distros
[00:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i do know it's a great choice for lower-end hardware
[00:46] <ghittsum> I've tried installing phpmyadmin several times and it is not where it should be.  It should be in: "/var/www/phpmyadmin" but it isn't there.....apache is in its place, and is running, mysql is running.....but I can't find phpmyadmin; can anyone be of assistance?
[00:47] <oldmanemu> yeah, i'm using dsl on a p3 733mhz, i just wanted to know if i could change the domain from"@dslbox" to something else!
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> you can
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> let me think
[00:48] <new> hi
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm trying to remember how i did it on my laptop (i think i used a gui tool)
[00:48] <HelterScelter> hello
[00:48] <christophoros> hello guys when i insert a dvd in kubuntu it says that i cant watch it cause of the region thinks how i can avoid it ?
[00:48] <Daisuke_Ido> !dvd | christophoros
[00:48] <ubotu> christophoros: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:49] <Daisuke_Ido> oldmanemu, edit /etc/HOSTNAME
[00:49] <christophoros> Daisuke_Ido i got the codecs..
[00:49] <maxym> !fr
[00:49] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[00:50] <HelterScelter> I'm having a rather annoying problem with My laptop.  after I close the lid and re-open it the backlight randomly flickers on and off.
[00:50] <HelterScelter> I've been looking around on the 'net for solutions.
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> or rather /etc/hostname
[00:50] <maxym> go to the undernet please
[00:50] <HelterScelter> but so far none have I found
[00:50] <oldmanemu> Daisuke_ldo: i'll give that a go!
[00:50] <Daisuke_Ido> maxym, don't spam in here.
[00:51] <maxym> what the soam
[00:51] <maxym> undernet serveur
[00:51] <Daisuke_Ido> "go to the undernet"?
[00:51] <Daisuke_Ido> this isn't undernet, this is freenode
[00:51] <maxym> yes
[00:51] <maxym> me i'm going to undernet
[00:51] <Daisuke_Ido> have fun
[00:52] <maxym> what is the adresse for go to undernet
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but don't tell everyone else to join you
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> ahhh
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> english isn't your first language is it?
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i understand now
[00:52] <maxym> no
[00:52] <ghittsum> lol
[00:52] <Daisuke_Ido> try /server irc.undernet.org
[00:52] <maxym> thank you
[00:52] <maxym> you are the good guy
[00:53] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome, and i apologize for the confusion :)
[00:53]  * LinuxGuy1234 is away: Gone away for now.. Will be back on.
[00:53] <HelterScelter> does anyone have any thoughts on the problem I'm asking about?
[00:54] <HelterScelter> suggestions on where I can go read or anything would be helpful
[00:57] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[00:57] <christophoros> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[00:57] <christophoros> any ideas?
[00:57] <arkaniad> do it
[00:57] <Jucato> !aptfix | christophoros
[00:57] <ubotu> christophoros: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:57] <arkaniad> type dpkg --configure -a
[00:57] <arkaniad> it reconfigures the packages
[00:58] <Jucato> (you will need sudo for that)
[00:58] <arkaniad> oh, yeah :)
[00:59] <arkaniad> anyone need help building source?
[00:59]  * LinuxGuy1234 is away: Gone away for now.. Will be back on.
[00:59] <arkaniad> need to answer questions! lol
[01:00] <arkaniad> dont make me go get source to compile
[01:00] <ghittsum> I've tried installing phpmyadmin several times and it is not where it should be.  It should be in: "/var/www/phpmyadmin" but it isn't there.....apache is in its place, and is running, mysql is running.....but I can't find phpmyadmin; can anyone be of assistance?
[01:01] <arkaniad> i dont have server experience...
[01:01] <arkaniad> is phpmyadmin running?
[01:01] <ghittsum> I dunno...I can't find it
[01:01] <ghittsum> it should be in my www folder
[01:01] <arkaniad> if it is try ps aux | grep phpmyadmin and it mite help
[01:02] <ghittsum> so I can access it like a web page
[01:02] <ghittsum> on the localhost
[01:02] <ghittsum> k
[01:02] <arkaniad> it Should, but sometiimes stuff doesnt happen the way it is supposed to :)
[01:03] <ghittsum> I got: ghittsum 17162  0.0  0.1   2972   748 pts/1    R+   20:02   0:00 grep phpmyadmin
[01:03] <arkaniad> welll its running...
[01:03] <ghittsum> lol
[01:03] <ghittsum> yeah
[01:03] <ghittsum> so where is it?
[01:03] <arkaniad> thats the problem
[01:03] <arkaniad> lol
[01:03] <ghittsum> atleast it's running
[01:03] <arkaniad> g2g m8s!
[01:03] <ghittsum> :D
[01:03] <arkaniad> maybe hidden?
[01:03] <arkaniad> lol
[01:03] <arkaniad> g2g
[01:04] <arkaniad> i will leave computer on :)
[01:04] <ghittsum> is there a command similar to grep that can help me locate where it is placed?
[01:04] <ghittsum> whereis?
[01:04] <Jucato> "which phpmyadmin"
[01:04] <ghittsum> I think thats it...imma go try
[01:04] <ghittsum> oh, ok.
[01:05] <ghittsum> whereis worked
[01:05] <ghittsum> phpmyadmin: /etc/phpmyadmin /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[01:06] <ghittsum> coming back to me....slowly, but thanks
[01:06] <_ZeuZ_> I need to place this: env WINEPREFIX="/home/zeuz/.wine" wine "C:\Archivos de programa\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe" in a symlink to be placed in /usr/bin how can I do it besides placing it into a SH script and chmod +x it?
[01:08] <ghittsum> ok, new question:  I need to be able to access phpmyadmin via a web browser, can I move "/etc/phpmyadmin" or "/usr/share/phpmyadmin" (returned locations for where phpmyadmin got installed), to "/var/www/.." where my webserver is located?
[01:08] <_ZeuZ_> That would be a huge security risk
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> just install the control manager for it
[01:09] <ghittsum> how do I do that and what does that mean?
[01:09] <jacob_> how do i change the graphical environment desktop?
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> Basically it means: Google before asking ^^
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> neh
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> just kidding
[01:09] <jacob_> for example a windows look, mac look, unix look, etc etc
[01:09] <ghittsum> yeah, I've tried looking it up, but I'm not getting far
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> it means that if you do that, whoever creep wants to screw you, is going to have it easy...
[01:10] <haider__> install the KDE
[01:10] <haider__> and u will be able to change the desktop look
[01:10] <haider__> on GNOME u need lot of things to do so
[01:11] <_ZeuZ_> haider__: Not quite, though it's harder indeed
[01:11] <Jucato> !changethemes | jacob_
[01:11] <ubotu> jacob_: To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[01:11] <haider__> yeah i know but he needs lot of things to change th gnome look
[01:11] <ghittsum> where can I go to get a vast library of support for using kubuntu over windows?  I am not feeling the community is strong enough to support dummies like me trying to escape microsoft
[01:12]  * Jucato will try not to comment on that
[01:12] <ghittsum> well, thanks for your time.
[01:13] <jacob_> jucato not usefull
[01:13] <Jucato> jacob_: depends on what you are really trying to do
[01:14] <spawn57> ..kubuntu over windows?
[01:14] <spawn57> isn't that in alpha still?
 for example a windows look, mac look, unix look, etc etc <--- that just involves using themes and moving stuff around. a bit more complicated than normal
[01:14] <spawn57> as in kde4 on windows..
[01:14] <Jucato> spawn57: he means using Kubuntu instead of Windows
[01:15] <spawn57> oh
[01:15] <haider__> windows is hell
[01:15] <haider__> i hate it
[01:15] <spawn57> windows is alright
[01:15] <Jucato> and we're not here to talk about Windows ;)
[01:15] <spawn57> the spamware, adware, constant nagging from software, and stuff like that annoys me
[01:15] <haider__> no it is the worse system on the earth and may be on Mars too lolz
[01:16] <jacob_> jucato i just finished installing the kubuntu-desktop package, a wizard showed up at first with the different options
[01:16] <Jucato> jacob_: ah that one? It is "kpersonalizer", it doesn't really change KDE too look like Mac or Windows etc
[01:17] <jacob_> well i changed it to a mac look and did the change with the menus at the top of the screen
[01:17] <haider__> Do u want to use windows or to use the look only ?
[01:17] <Jucato> ah right... the menu bar at the top
[01:17] <jacob_> i just want to experiment and see which one i like the best
[01:18] <haider__> you can use VMWare to install windows
[01:18] <haider__> so u can get windows inside ubuntu
[01:18] <Jucato> jacob_: kpersonalizer isn't really necessary. It just bundles up options into a wizard. but the options are available elsewhere even without kpersonalizer
[01:18] <haider__> to OS in same window
[01:18] <Jucato> haider__: um.. that's not really what he meant
[01:19] <haider__> about the Look i want to tell you that i tried before to make something similar
[01:19] <haider__> i tried to make Mac look
[01:19] <haider__> but all the available things about this is not that good
[01:19] <Jucato> jacob_: for example, right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior page -> you wil see there the option for the menu bar at the top
[01:20] <haider__> you have something called Compiz
[01:20] <haider__> this will give you some animations of Mac
[01:20] <spawn57> and awn ..
[01:20] <haider__> but Mac keep everything for its own computers
[01:21] <jacob_> the wizard told me that i can re-run the wizard from the system menu
[01:21] <jacob_> but don't know exactly
[01:21] <Jucato> jacob_: press Alt+F2, and type in "kpersonalizer"
[01:22] <haider__> i advice you to go indeep and try to make some programming
[01:22] <haider__> i love it through programming u can make anything
[01:22] <jacob__> i think i found it, it's on appearance in the look and feel
[01:22]  * Jucato sighs
[01:22] <_ZeuZ_> you might find superkaramba intresting too..
[01:23] <haider__> now i want programmers
[01:23] <haider__> i have some ideas
[01:23] <Jucato> jacob__: like I said, kpersonalizer just bundles up configuration options in a wizard. otherwise you can find everything it does scattered throughout KDE, like in System Settings
[01:23] <haider__> we can make something usefull
[01:23] <LinuxGuy1234> haider__: like a text editior/
[01:23] <haider__> no not text editor
[01:24] <haider__> i'm talking about something usefull
[01:24] <Jucato> (getting quite offtopic btw)
[01:24] <haider__> like Mobile Applications
[01:24] <haider__> like Web applications
[01:24] <haider__> something useful
[01:24] <_ZeuZ_> For haider(bluffing = 1 to TheEndOfTime) I.Reuse(ToWordForHim)
[01:25] <haider__> what is that mean ZeuZ ?
[01:25] <_ZeuZ_> :Handler I.Reuse OnError goto: I.Reuse(ToWorkForHim)
[01:25] <_ZeuZ_> haider__ you say you love programming and you don't understand that that's mere pseudocode?
[01:26] <haider__> looool
[01:26] <haider__> i know that
[01:26] <haider__> but what do u mean by that ?
[01:27] <haider__> what do u want to reach ?
[01:27] <_ZeuZ_> Guess.
[01:27] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:28] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[01:28] <_ZeuZ_> Don't worry Jucato, I won;t go further offtpic..
[01:28] <_ZeuZ_> Last offtopic: dang this keyboard
[01:28] <Jucato> you can continue it in #kubuntu-offtopic if you want
[01:30] <_ZeuZ_> Neh, this doesnt call that much...
[01:31] <_ZeuZ_> hehe just found out that egresated people from my univesity have created a snapshoots site with material for research
[01:31] <_ZeuZ_> apuntesitba.com xD
[01:31] <_ZeuZ_> s/apuntesitba.com/apuntesitba.com.ar
[01:31] <_ZeuZ_> s/apuntesitba.com/apuntesitba.com.ar/
[01:31] <haider__> what the hell is that ?
[01:31] <Jucato> I thought we weren't going offtopic? :)
[01:32] <_ZeuZ_> ubotu doesnt have the replace function?
[01:32] <Jucato> no
[01:32] <_ZeuZ_> developers should add it... we have added it to pivot (our bot at #debian-es )
[01:33] <Hydrogen> why would you..
[01:33] <Hydrogen> It looks pretty useless
[01:33] <Jucato> no we won't
[01:33] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[01:33] <_ZeuZ_> it doesnt when it comes to debugging
[01:33] <_ZeuZ_> nor when it comes to bad written prompts or such
[01:33] <haider__> who are u ZeuZ ?
[01:33] <_ZeuZ_> Why do you care, haider__ ?
[01:34] <haider__> i care for everything
[01:34] <_ZeuZ_> Crap, I forgot what I was about to say...
[01:34] <_ZeuZ_> Oh, yeah
[01:34] <_ZeuZ_> I found a vuln in Ubuntus core...
[01:35] <_ZeuZ_> basically, the firsts seconds after KDM has started, for some weird reason, in a logged console, (being it in gnome through GDM) will cause a non-sudoer user to be granted root status through sudo -s or sudo su
[01:35] <_ZeuZ_> I'm just to lazy to report it, so somebody do it please..
[01:35] <epimeth> be careful haider__, _ZeuZ_ might strike you with a lightning bolt
[01:35] <_ZeuZ_> epimeth, loool!
[01:36] <haider__> ooooooooh iam so scared
[01:36] <_ZeuZ_> double lol
[01:36] <_ZeuZ_> actually, that sounded quite lame, but, whatever x'D
[01:36] <tim> Is there an easy way to switch back from KNetworkmanager to ifup-ifdown?  I load remote servers with fstab, and I need my wireless network running at boot so they will mount.
[01:36] <_ZeuZ_> tim: you can set it to be started at boot time from Kcontrol
[01:37] <_ZeuZ_> go to network, interfaces, switch to root with the applet and then select start at boot
[01:37] <_ZeuZ_> that should do the trick
[01:37] <NickPresta> I am in the process of upgrading to the RC and I got a couple errors about not being able to upgrade nvidia-glx-new and xserver-xorg-core. Should this pose a problem post-upgrade? Should I just run an aptitude dist-upgrade to fix the problem?
[01:37] <_ZeuZ_> Hmmm... Core Impact does not run through Wine... Intresting... gonna have to use it in a VM
[01:38] <epimeth> KNetworkManager can load at boot???
[01:38] <epimeth> nice
[01:38] <_ZeuZ_> NickPresta, wait for a few days until the packages migrate
[01:38] <NickPresta> _ZeuZ_: so I am without X for a few days?
[01:38] <_ZeuZ_> epimeth: no, KNetworkManger no, but it will configurate the interface to do so
[01:38] <_ZeuZ_> NickPresta: perhaps restore a previous version>
[01:38] <tim> I can't usually configure my ndiswrapper drivers through there, because it always sets my key back to restricted instead of open.  I'll try though.
[01:38] <Jucato> NickPresta: #ubuntu+1 might be able to help
[01:38] <_ZeuZ_> purge the actual, and get the previous
[01:39] <epimeth> oookay... why don't I just edit /etc/network/interfaces ?
[01:39] <_ZeuZ_> epimeth, That's a GUI for that ;)
[01:39] <NickPresta> Jucato: thanks. I tried the "Fil Bug Report" button but I could not launch a browser due to the upgrade.
[01:39] <_ZeuZ_> tim: you should have started there
[01:39] <_ZeuZ_> Hmmm...
[01:39] <epimeth> I thought KNetworkManager if-up/down'ed... it rewrites interfaces?
[01:40] <_ZeuZ_> Add ndiswrapper to startup (chmod +x it and then move a copy of the startup script)
[01:40] <_ZeuZ_> epimeth: at least SID version does
[01:40] <haider__> cool stuffs
[01:40] <_ZeuZ_> I don't currently use Kubuntu, nor Ubuntu at all...
[01:40] <NickPresta> I will say that the update has been painless thus far. Approx. 1500 packages upgraded and/or downloaded and configured in just under an hour. :D
[01:40] <epimeth> SID?
[01:41] <_ZeuZ_> I'm a Debian SID user,  and since Ubuntu is based upon it with several patches by Canonical for stability I thought I might help
[01:42] <haider__> i used debian but i faced problem with wireless
[01:42] <Jucato> epimeth: he meant "Sid" :)
[01:42] <haider__> he connect times and not another
[01:42] <epimeth> oh... Sid... not SID :-)
[01:42] <epimeth> yea, I got that :-p
[01:42] <_ZeuZ_> haider__: Debian is "harder" to configure. Nothing that you can't solve googling
[01:42] <_ZeuZ_> hehe
[01:42] <_ZeuZ_> just needed to emphazise it
[01:42] <_ZeuZ_> (or whatever emphasize it's written like :P)
[01:43] <haider__> it is cool i want to use it
[01:43] <epimeth> I don't think its especially harder... just more time consuming... default conf files tend to be empty in debian, but with examples in ubuntu
[01:43] <tim> Actually, I found etch easier to script, because it was more predictable.
[01:43] <_ZeuZ_> well, that depends
[01:43] <haider__> i started linux with Fedora Core 5
[01:43] <_ZeuZ_> as tim said, etch is fully commented, stable, and compleately documented
[01:43] <haider__> actually it was not that good for me
[01:44] <_ZeuZ_> hehe I started my way with Red Hat 6 xD
[01:44] <_ZeuZ_> using the native NASH red hat core
[01:44] <Jucato> !offtopic | again:
[01:44] <ubotu> again:: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:44] <haider__> i used the redhat on a server where i was work before
[01:44] <haider__> it is cool
[01:44] <haider__> but for my PC now
[01:44] <haider__> i use Ubuntu
[01:44] <haider__> it is nice
[01:44] <tim> The only thing in my /etc/network/interfaces file right now is loopback.  That is why knetworkmanager confuses me.
[01:45] <_ZeuZ_> I use Debian, all the way along but not for Wireless auditing (I find WiFiSlax more confortable) and backtrack for security pentests and auditing
[01:45] <_ZeuZ_> tim; man for it
[01:45] <spencer> hello?
[01:45] <tim> good enough.
[01:45] <haider__> for me the problem with the driver itself
[01:46] <haider__> i had to use ndiswrapper to make it work
[01:46] <Jucato> !hi | spencer
[01:46] <ubotu> spencer: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:46] <epimeth> tim: KNetworkManager does ifup and ifdown, it doesn't edit the interfaces file
[01:46] <spencer> Does anyone here know much about JACK?
[01:46] <_ZeuZ_> haider__ thats a sympthom of lazyness
[01:46] <_ZeuZ_> Jack the Ripper?
[01:46] <Jucato> !jack
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Jucato> hm.
[01:46] <haider__> i know ZeuZ
[01:46] <_ZeuZ_> Jack (the one who evolved to John)
[01:46] <epimeth> !ask | spencer
[01:46] <ubotu> spencer: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:47] <DarkriftX> anyone know if kontact will support more then one email account and keep them seperate? (I have 2 gmails and dont want them mixed)
[01:47] <tim> Time for a reboot for a test.
[01:47] <haider__> but the driver itself is really annoying
[01:47] <_ZeuZ_> ?
[01:47] <_ZeuZ_> wich driver?
[01:47] <Jucato> DarkriftX: I think it does. set a new Receiving account
[01:47] <haider__> Atheros 5000AG
[01:47] <_ZeuZ_> pff
[01:47] <_ZeuZ_> MadWiFi
[01:47] <haider__> not working
[01:47] <_ZeuZ_> Actually MadWiFi-NG
[01:48] <_ZeuZ_> If you do things right, it will.
[01:48] <haider__> i tried lot of things to make it work normally
[01:48] <_ZeuZ_> Compile the module with the same GCC you compiled your kernel, then get the firmware, then modprobe it
[01:48] <haider__> i tried this believe me
[01:48] <spencer> I cant seem to get JACK itself to work anymore, it claims that HW:0 is in use, which means an application is using it. Ive looked for particular processes which might use the sound card but i cant find any, and im not sure what is running to prevent JACK from starting.
[01:48] <haider__> it is not working
[01:49] <_ZeuZ_> haider__ that's not a Linux User excuse.
[01:49] <_ZeuZ_> Thats a Windows User Excuse.
[01:49] <haider__> i spend 2 months using the Cable
[01:49] <_ZeuZ_> Check the logs, correct your mistakes in installation process from the info you get from there.
[01:49] <haider__> trying everything
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> spencer: paste a ps aux output to a pastebin temp site
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> and let us see
[01:50] <spencer> a ps aux output? how do i do that?
[01:50] <haider__> i'll try this next time
[01:50] <haider__> now it is working fine
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> go to a console, do: ps aux
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> then get the output to www.pastebin.com
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> and send us the url.
[01:50] <spencer> got it.
[01:50] <_ZeuZ_> That will give us the full list of process with detail
[01:51] <_ZeuZ_> haider__, using ndiswrapper is screwing your cards potential
[01:51] <haider__> let me tell u something
[01:51] <haider__> first i tried to use the MadWifi
[01:51] <_ZeuZ_> (/ignore comming ;))
[01:52] <haider__> i read all the help
[01:52] <epimeth> spencer: do "man ps" to read the manual :-)
[01:52] <spencer> right here: http://pastebin.com/m4bd7a478
[01:52] <haider__> and documents
[01:52] <spencer> ugh i would but i hate man pages.
[01:52] <haider__> and they said it is not supportive for my driver type
[01:53] <_ZeuZ_> spencer: you should have done it with amaximized console
[01:53] <_ZeuZ_> haider__, if you read like you write, then I don't bet it was your fault ;)
[01:53] <haider__> hhhhhhhhh
[01:53] <haider__> looooool
[01:53] <Jucato> hm...
[01:53] <spencer> whoops
[01:54] <spencer> ill redo that then
[01:54] <_ZeuZ_> no need...
[01:54] <haider__> i'm not an english man or american dear
[01:54] <haider__> but i know enough
[01:54] <_ZeuZ_> first tell me something else: is the sound working any place on the system? or is it compleately down? have you tried restarting alsa or pulseaudio?
[01:54] <_ZeuZ_> haider__,  me neither, Argentinian right here.
[01:55] <spencer> if the formatting drives you nuts, here is a redone version http://pastebin.com/d1d24ee10
[01:55] <haider__> I am from Iraq
[01:55] <haider__> have u ever heard about it ?
[01:55] <haider__> loolz
[01:55] <_ZeuZ_> I'm argentinian, and I dont use my bad english as an excuse
[01:56] <haider__> neither me
[01:56] <haider__> i know enough to understand what i read
[01:56] <_ZeuZ_> spencer:
[01:56] <_ZeuZ_> Seems like your problem is the sessoin manager
[01:56] <_ZeuZ_> I've seen multiple users with this kind of trouble.
[01:57] <_ZeuZ_> Just kill the process with cjackctl
[01:57] <_ZeuZ_> and then restart it
[01:57] <_ZeuZ_> and, get rid of the session manager, whatever you might need at startup can go to kderc
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> I stand corrected qjackctl is the process
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> 5755 is it's PID
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> sudo kill -9 5755
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> and you'll get it out.
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> Then restart it (just run qjackctl )
[01:58] <spencer> hmm ok
[01:58] <_ZeuZ_> and start kmix to control the volume
[01:59] <spencer> hmm it still does it
[02:00] <spencer> hw:0 is in use
[02:00] <haider__> zeuz can u tell me how can i make some of C compilers to work with linux
[02:00] <_ZeuZ_> bad question
[02:00] <_ZeuZ_> just apt-get install gcc
[02:00] <_ZeuZ_> and then use it.
[02:00] <haider__> i know that
[02:00] <Jucato> !compile
[02:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[02:00] <haider__> something else
[02:01] <_ZeuZ_> spencer: lsof is for who is using what, there must be something related to that
[02:01] <haider__> i mean Borland C++, i mean those studds
[02:01] <haider__> suffs **
[02:01] <_ZeuZ_> Borland, or C++?
[02:01] <spencer> isof?
[02:01] <_ZeuZ_> Either way, compiler Input_file.c OutputFile.o/h
[02:01] <haider__> what i exactly need is a compiler under shell
[02:02] <_ZeuZ_> haider__ Go google yourself.
[02:02] <_ZeuZ_> It has been told
[02:02] <epimeth> haider__: gcc
[02:02] <_ZeuZ_> somebody clearly showed !Compile
[02:02] <_ZeuZ_> enough like to follow the link.
[02:03] <DarkriftX> im using kmail and i just noticed that it download my OLD email (over a year old messages) but hasnt found any of my new mail (from the last year). when i manually check my gmail, not only do i have lots of "NEW" (unread) email, but i have tons of mail from the last year that kmail is missing... what can i do to fix this?
[02:03] <_ZeuZ_> Some languajes can be run without compiling, with an interpreter, some others need to be compiled. That;s the easy abstract
[02:04] <haider__> alright i got it
[02:05] <spencer> Whats unusual was JACK has just stopped working since a week ago, i cant figure out what is always running to keep it from starting
[02:05] <tim> I just turned off knetworkmanager and edited the interfaces file directly.  That was all there was to it.  Good deal.
[02:06] <_ZeuZ_> tim: easy solution great relief
[02:06] <haider__> cooool i got an amazing results
[02:06] <haider__> really cool
[02:07] <haider__> around 723874029837423642340982304 lines of errors
[02:07] <tim> Has anyone tried to compile bootsplash with this version yet?  I'd have to import it from the debian sources, and I've been reluctant to try.
[02:07] <haider__> and counting
[02:07] <haider__> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:07] <haider__> i loved that
[02:08] <_ZeuZ_> tim: not sure if 2.6.24 can take it easily
[02:08] <_ZeuZ_> I use one of the portages from Gentoo... fbdecorator
[02:08] <_ZeuZ_> it's cool
[02:09] <tim> I know it's silly, but bootsplash is the one thing that I really miss.  Usplash and Splashy are nice, but you don't get the verbose test along with the image.
[02:09] <spencer> So..
[02:10] <spencer> Jack is still not working, are there any other processes that might block the sound card?
[02:10] <tim> That would be verbose text...
[02:11] <tim> Midi works with this kernel out of the box?  Etch had made the timer too slow.
[02:12] <Iced_Eagle> hey guys, I'm just about to install the RC via Wubi... do you know if you can install it fine by just mounting the ISO within Windows, or do you have to burn a CD?
[02:13] <Jucato> Iced_Eagle: try asking in #ubuntu+1 although I have a feeling something like daemontools might be enough
[02:14] <Iced_Eagle> thanks :) just did
[02:14] <Iced_Eagle> I thought I read earlier that it will install fine, but want to double check
[02:15] <DarkriftX> is there a channel here where id be better off asking about kmail then here?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> DarkriftX: #kontact maybe... or #kde
[02:15] <DarkriftX> ahh, good idea, ty
[02:15] <Jucato> #kontact actually
[02:16] <Jucato> DarkriftX: I had to fetch messages repeatedly the first time I set up my Gmail POP3 account though
[02:16] <DarkriftX> i have it set to do it ever minute, and ive manually done it like 12 times now
[02:16] <DarkriftX> ive checked settings in kmail and gmail, and both appear correct
[02:16]  * Jucato thinks he has done more...
[02:17] <DarkriftX> well, 12, plus ever minute for 45 or so minutes
[02:17] <DarkriftX> plus this account has been on kmail for 3 weeks, and ive used it like 5 times, so however long its been running during those sessions
[02:18] <maw> I just enabled ati restricted drivers and upon restart, I get stuck at "running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)" anyone seen this before or know what is wrong?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> maw: ctrl+alt+f2 do anything?
[02:20] <maw> nosrednaekim: ya that works, the system doesnt hard lock, kdm just doesnt load it seems
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> maw: see what the /var/log/Xorg.0.log has to say
[02:22] <maw> ahh
[02:22] <maw> "(EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration"
[02:22] <maw> fatal server error: no screens found
[02:23] <maw> guess the ati driver borked the xorg config
[02:24] <BluesKaj> maw, were you using a proprietary driver previous to the restricted one , and if so I hope you uninstalled it first.
[02:25] <maw> I was using vesa driver, or whatever the default is on 7.10 is
[02:26] <Dr_willis> veasa, or ati, most likely
[02:26] <BluesKaj> ok, that's the default
[02:27] <maw> so I went to the restricted driver section in system, and placed a "check" beside the ati driver
[02:27] <maw> rebooted
[02:27] <maw> and owned :o
[02:27] <BluesKaj> which ati card , maw ?
[02:28] <maw> I believe it is the ATI HD2600
[02:28] <maw> It could be the ATI HD3650... need to check
[02:30] <BluesKaj> the higher end cards don't work well with the restricted driver
[02:31] <maw> just confirmed, HD2600
[02:33] <sorteal> Has anyone else noticed differences in audio editing/recording/mixing quality across various distros?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> sorteal,  not really.
[02:33] <Dr_willis> I did notice that GeeXbox can play the same video 'louder' on my laptop. then Ubuntu does.
[02:34] <sorteal> Kubuntu does not seem to have the same sound quality that Mandriva has maybe I have not set it up right....wouldn't be the first time.
[02:34] <Dr_willis> But that may be some differacne in mplayer.
[02:34] <chinamann> i am want to reinstall kmail bec. of a conflict with kontact. Do i need to save my email folders seperately?
[02:34] <sorteal> I'm talking more Jokosher and Audacity than Video audio
[02:35] <Dr_willis> chinamann,  removing apps wth apt-get should NOT affect the users home dirs.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> but it wouldent hurt to back things up anyway
[02:38] <BluesKaj> sorteal, system settings/soundsystem/ , check the hardware tab , and there are sampling rate options ,which may help the quality
[02:38] <sorteal> Done that.  I really think it's something else...kinda like the difference between Mac and Windows audio if that makes sense to anyone.
[02:40] <sorteal> Maybe I'm hearing an intangible that really isn't there but I can't help but wonder........I'm a jaded musician so it very well could be my ears pickiness
[02:40] <maw> I fixed it by restoring to default xorg.conf :
[02:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here sorteal , alsa isn't as smooth sounding as it could be , but most ppl overdrive the inputs in alsamixer
[02:43] <sorteal> lol tell me about it
[02:43] <sorteal> made that mistake before I knew better
[02:43] <BluesKaj> 71% is plenty to drive any amp to it's rated power
[02:44] <sorteal> Does the Mac Windows reference make sense to you though?  Just can't put my finger on it BluesKaj.
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> sorteal, http://www.opensound.com/
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> made about 100% difference for me
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> OSS 4.0, that is
[02:46] <sorteal> Nice thanks!
[02:46] <BluesKaj> sorteal, not sure ..it could be that there's less error correction in linux and more jitter etc than Mac ..windows doesn't seem any diff
[02:46] <Daisuke_Ido> and i'm not the kind of audiophile that thinks he can hear a difference between FLAC and CD either
[02:47] <sorteal> lol I'm that audiophile!
[02:47] <sorteal> What do you mean Windows doesn't seem any different....ever used Windows version of Pro-Tools?  It is horrible
[02:48] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, is OSS as difficult to set up as the rumors say it is ?
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj, i downloaded the deb, installed it, and bam, up and running
[02:49] <BluesKaj> ok, is it bypassing alsa or is it part of the deal
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> part of the deal, but it did make a big improvement over the previous OSS and over ARTS
[02:52] <BluesKaj> ok cool , will try it later ...DL'd the app and instructions
[02:54] <fabrizio> hello
[02:54] <djzn> ok i'm impressed with KDE 4 speed... it is better than GNOME...
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> that's depressing
[02:54] <djzn> the menu is really confusing though.... really confusing...
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> kde4 better than gnome :\
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i suppose it's prettier
[02:55] <tinin_> wow, kde 4 is very slow for me
[02:56] <djzn> i have 2GB of RAM.... and between KDE and GNOME, GNOME is slower...
[02:56] <Jsn0327> could someone please tell me how to unmount a drive at startup?  There is a drive that I am trying to mount to a different directory in /media but when i go to system settings/disk & filesystems it says that the drive is in use.  When i right click on it and goto settings and uncheck "enable at startup"  it enables anyway
[02:56] <tinin_> apps take a lot of time to be up and working
[02:56] <sorteal> What are your specs?
[02:56] <tinin_> 3000MZ 1GBddr2
[02:56] <tinin_> or so
[02:57] <djzn> this MENU, is to resemble Vista menu.. but man this is so confusing...
[02:57] <djzn> they should have kept the good old menu...
[02:57] <sorteal> Huh?  Although they say 4.1 is the version everyone should wait on, should be more stable and smooth.
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> djzn, apparently there is some way to get a real menu again
[02:58] <tinin_> djzn you can have the old menu stile
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> that menu shows that NO ONE on the kde dev team has ever read anything about interface design
[02:58] <djzn> how do I do that?
[02:59] <djzn> yes, the new menu, should be deprecated in my opinion.. they should keep the old menu for 4.1
[02:59] <Frederick> folks doesnt the lastes kubuntu features xmms?
[02:59] <tinin_> that menu was designed by the usability people, based on los of studies
[02:59] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: proof?
[03:00] <tinin_> its easy to use even for a grandma, it's just that its a new way
[03:00] <djzn> you know, I actually have to go to SEARCH all the time, because it's messy, I simply can't "fix" my mind as to where something is....
[03:00] <tinin_> yeah, I miss katapult too ;)
[03:00] <djzn> I really think XP Menu is still the Winner... (even over Vista)
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato, you used it?
[03:01] <tinin_> djzn so use windows
[03:01] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: yes. I may not like everything about it, but I don't jump to conclusions
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Frederick, 8.04 does not, to my knowledge, include xmms
[03:01] <Iced_Eagle> Jucato: http://wiki.openusability.org/guidelines/index.php/Main_Page  <== there's some info
[03:01] <tinin_> djzn the old style menu is avaliable if you search a bit I guess
[03:01] <Jucato> Iced_Eagle: hm?
[03:01] <sorteal> No 8.04 does not included XMMS you have to download it as usual.
[03:02] <djzn> tinin_ where can that be changed i still didn't find in system properties
[03:02] <hpgarcia> what's the command that tells you what version of the kernel that your running?
[03:02] <tinin_> I remember seeing it as an applet, I don't use kde4 now
[03:02] <Jucato> djzn: in KDE 4.0.3, you have to add the Application Launcher *Menu* from the Add Widget box. in KDE 4.1, you can just right-click on the icon
[03:02] <Dr_willis> xmms isent in the repos any more I thinkj.
[03:02] <Dr_willis> so you will have to track down the source, or other ways to get it.
[03:02] <Jucato> hpgarcia: uname -a
[03:03] <Frederick> sorteal: the package is not listed on the repos
[03:03] <tinin_> even debian dropped out xmms, it will be missed
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> tinin_, no it won't
[03:03] <Frederick> what can I use instead?
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> check out audacious :D
[03:03] <sorteal> I agree
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> it's the spiritual successor to xmms
[03:04] <sorteal> Just not as light
[03:04] <tinin_> xmms is faster
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> okay...  light it is
[03:04] <Frederick> oki im installing it
[03:04] <Frederick> any general guide lines for how to set up java and flash in this version of kubuntu?
[03:04] <sorteal> Wait....it's not in the repo's
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> alt+f2 > mpeg123 <filename> :D
[03:05] <sorteal> Did you add the muti-Universe repos?
[03:05] <tinin_> and it would work better in my old notebook, I just installled debian, and audacious is big enough (well...for 32 of ram)
[03:05] <Jucato> it shouldn't be necessary to add universe/multiverse since Feisty (it's enabled by default)
[03:05] <tinin_> Frederick as usual
[03:06] <sorteal> I had to add them in Fiesty
[03:06] <tinin_> just donload the official flash, and java is on the repos
[03:06] <Frederick> something is strange why would this ubuntu do not recognize my other partitions nothing is mounted :/
[03:06] <sorteal> atleast had to download a pack that required their athorization
[03:07] <sorteal> authorization*
[03:10] <Frederick> the java package does not generate the libjavaplugin.so
[03:10] <Frederick> why is that?
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> you need the plugin package
[03:11] <Frederick> what is the name for it?
[03:11] <Frederick> notice im in a athlon64 machine so I need to use the 32bits ff and the plugin
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> sun-java*-plugin
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, then i'm not entirely sure
[03:13] <Frederick> I need soem wierd repositorie orwhat to find this plugin I really dont have it listed
[03:13] <hpgarcia> is it hard to compile a new kernel?
[03:14] <Frederick> hpgarcia: no if you are aware of what are you doing
[03:14] <hpgarcia> I want to learn how to do it
[03:15] <Frederick> good luck
[03:15] <hpgarcia> lol thanks
[03:18] <Frederick> Daisuke_Ido: I dont have it maybe I miss some repos do I need to add new ones where is the docs for it for ubuntu 8.01?
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> like i said, i know nada about installing java on a 64-bit system, i do know that it's painful
[03:20] <sorteal> Did you check the Java website?
[03:20] <Frederick> sorteal: it is a mess
[03:20] <sorteal> I think they have self extracting packages with instructions.
[03:21] <sorteal> lol oh sorry didn't know that.
[03:22] <sorteal> Wait what are the other partitions?
[03:23] <Frederick> im having this issue my other partitions are not listed here too :/
[03:24] <sorteal> What OS for those partitions?
[03:24] <sorteal> or format
[03:25] <sorteal> 1 min brb
[03:25] <Frederick> windows justabout set fstab
[03:36] <gnyffel> I'm sure this gets asked all the time, but what KDE4 revision will be used for the 8.04 release? I'm asking because I've heard all these nice things about rev 790000, of course.
[03:41] <arkaniad> hi!
[03:41] <arkaniad> Hi!
[03:41] <arkaniad> ?Hi!?
[03:41] <Jucato> gnyffel: 8.04 will not ship with an svn snapshot.
[03:41] <arkaniad> :O
[03:41] <Jucato> it will ship with 4.0.3 (latest stable)
[03:41] <arkaniad> cya
[03:42] <Jucato> !khardy | gnyffel
[03:42] <ubotu> gnyffel: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[03:44] <ubuntu> hello
[03:45] <ubuntu> in mexico
[03:47] <gnyffel> Jucato: 'kay, thanks. :)
[03:48] <Arrow> Hi all
[03:48] <ubuntu> woman?
[03:50] <Frederick> Folks absoluteli no java-plugin package here is it gone or waht?
[03:50] <dlee> i have this problem where new KDE apps that start with the XIM input method sometimes is not able to accept characters from the keyboard
[03:50] <dlee> does anyone have an idea what's going on? (I'm using gutsy
[03:51] <dlee> )
[03:53] <spencer> hello, I cant seem to get JACK itself to work anymore, it claims that HW:0 is in use, which means an application is using it. Ive looked for particular processes which might use the sound card but i cant find any, and im not sure what is running to prevent JACK from starting.
[03:53] <Frederick> isthere any channel for kubuntu 64/
[03:53] <Frederick> ?
[03:58] <BunnyRevolution> !mp3
[03:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:58] <BunnyRevolution> !dvd
[03:58] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:01] <maduser> !ghost
[04:01] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[04:05] <Frederick> folks how do I get the lastest java plugin on firefox on kubuntu I simple dont seem to have it :/
[04:11] <Odd-rationale> !java | Frederick
[04:11] <ubotu> Frederick: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Odd-rationale, he's having problems - 64-bit
[04:12] <Frederick> oki im on earlyer and ive used adept but all seems to be working
[04:12] <Frederick> so all I miss is the plugin
[04:13] <Frederick> i think you can just sendme the plugin and I drop it ont he plugins folder from ff can I ge some of you my mail adress so you mail me it and we test?
[04:13] <Odd-rationale> Daisuke_Ido: oh, i see. then things could be different... never used 64 bit...
[04:13] <Iced_Eagle> eek, that was not an enjoyable first experience with Kubuntu :'( Just installed, two desktop freezes, then I screwed up the situation majorly when I went to enable desktop effects before installing Nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:13] <Iced_Eagle> forced to reinstall now
[04:14] <Iced_Eagle> also, how do you add programs to the kickstart menu?
[04:15] <Iced_Eagle> I did a sudo apt-get install firefox, and it wasn't added to the Internet section of the menu
[04:15] <Iced_Eagle> didn't see how to add it either
[04:15] <Iced_Eagle> I'm using KDE4 if that helps
[04:17] <ubuntu> Hey is anyone else experiencing issues starting up Kubuntu? it shows the logo and the loading bar and one sliver of bar then locks up
[04:17] <spencer> hello, I cant seem to get JACK itself to work anymore, it claims that HW:0 is in use, which means an application is using it. Ive looked for particular processes which might use the sound card but i cant find any, and im not sure what is running to prevent JACK from starting.
[04:20] <sorteal> ubuntu does verbose give any errors?
[04:20] <greeg> hi'
[04:20] <greeg> i uninstalled konquer becuase it kept arbitrarily crashing.  saying --> There appears to be a configuration error.  You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but it cannon handle this file type.   (when going to /home)
[04:21] <greeg> i for now have dolphin.  why would anyone want dolphin?  konquerer is also a web browser.
[04:21] <greeg> this is a fresh installation of kubuntu 7.10
[04:21] <sorteal> Konqueror is just not really there as far as a relevant browser
[04:22] <greeg> why isnt konqueror not working in the first place ?
[04:23] <Frederick> wheredoes ubuntu places the .ico file from netbeans?
[04:23] <godkas> sorteal: cant tell now im reinstalling :)
[04:26] <ubuntu> hoala tdoos
[04:28] <spencer> I cant seem to figure out which application is blocking JACK from using the sound card..
[04:30] <crimsun> sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*
[04:32] <spencer> ill give that a try
[04:34] <spencer> AHA!
[04:34] <spencer> Thank you very much
[04:34] <spencer> It was CDEMU using the sound card, that sneaky little thing
[04:35] <spencer> bye, and thank you
[04:38] <DarkriftX> question, how can i make compiz/emerald load sooner? as it is the default wm (i think) loads, and programs start up, and then the screen blanks and compiz/emerald loads up (this takes like 9 seconds). if my tray icons are already loaded, they get thrown in a taskbar button instead of in the tray...
[04:40] <Jucato> !compiz
[04:40] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:41] <DarkriftX> ouch, i got the "go ask somewhere else" :(
[04:41] <DarkriftX> i dont think my issue is a compiz issue
[04:41] <DarkriftX> i think its partaining to the loading order in kde
[04:41] <DarkriftX> or kubuntu itself
[04:42] <Jucato> it's about how to set compiz up properly :)
[04:42] <Jucato> what are you currently using to load compiz at startup?
[04:42] <DarkriftX> files in Autostart (thats what tey told me to do)
[04:42] <DarkriftX> darkrift@kubuntu:~/.kde/Autostart$ cat startcompiz.sh
[04:42] <DarkriftX> compiz --replace
[04:42] <DarkriftX> emerald --replace
[04:43] <Jucato> what/how exactly? a script? what command
[04:43] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:43] <Jucato> (is emerald --replace necessary?)
[04:44] <DarkriftX> i think so, because it kept using the default decorator and that didnt work too well
[04:44] <Jucato> create a script (ending in .sh) with this command inside: export $KDEWM=/usr/bin/compiz
[04:44] <Jucato> (don't forget the #!/bin/bash or whatever)
[04:44] <Jucato> then put that script in ~/.kde/env/ (create the folder if it doesn't exist)
[04:44] <DarkriftX> i c
[04:45] <Jucato> make sure the filename ends in .sh
[04:46] <DarkriftX> darkrift@kubuntu:~/.kde/env$ cat startcompiz.sh
[04:46] <DarkriftX> #!/bin/bash
[04:46] <DarkriftX> export =/usr/bin/compiz
[04:46] <DarkriftX> so disable that Autostart script?
[04:47] <Jucato> no
[04:47] <Jucato> export $KDEWM=/usr/bin/compiz
[04:47] <Jucato> er sorry
[04:47] <Jucato> export KDEWM=/usr/bin/compiz
[04:47] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[04:47] <DarkriftX> thats what i had :S
[04:48] <DarkriftX> i guess the var got evaluated :S
[04:48] <Jucato> yeah you can prolly disable the Autostart one
[04:49] <DarkriftX> so do i have to reboot, or could i just kill x
[04:49] <Jucato> just logout and log back in
[04:49] <DarkriftX> i c
[04:51] <DarkriftX> ok, seems to have worked
[04:51] <DarkriftX> ty much :)
[05:06] <solid_liq> did you know, alt-z makes your text go backwards in most irc clients?
[05:06] <solid_liq> .ereh ti did I ?eeS
[05:08] <maduser> nzzzznnmnmnmnm
[05:20] <Iced_Eagle> :) excellent. second install with kubuntu is much better
[05:26] <Aldenor> hi, any url where i can find info about how to install kde 4.0.3 in kubuntu 7.10
[05:26] <Aldenor> ?
[05:26] <Aldenor> all urls are old
[05:28] <Iced_Eagle> Aldenor: Isn't it in the package manager?
[05:29] <Iced_Eagle> perhaps add KDE's repositories to the package manager
[05:29] <Aldenor> i had some troubles with the package... i dont know how to upgrade the source file
[05:29] <Aldenor> well, so, i need to find the url and to add in source?
[05:30] <Iced_Eagle> that should be the general process, yes
[05:31] <Aldenor> ok, i will try
[05:31] <Aldenor> soo hard remember all this xD
[05:32] <Aldenor> there are a stable version only in english
[05:32] <Aldenor> its ok right?
[05:32] <Aldenor> the version in my language is not stable yet
[05:37] <Aldenor> guys, i need a tip to upgrade my kde3, i got a error message triying install WINE
[05:46] <Aldenor> i think that is ok now
[05:47] <dubby> hey anyone i am running ksudoku on ubuntu and its really choppy on roxoku (3d)
[05:47] <dubby> I am also running compiz
[05:47] <dubby> i was wondering if it was choppy while running kde composite
[05:48] <dubby> the thing was it was actually nice until I updated to hardy
[05:48] <dubby> but i never had composite in gutsy (composite just started working for me with fiesty)
[05:48] <dubby> i mean hardy
[05:58] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[06:08] <calcmandan> anyone use Oo.o?
[06:09] <bz029> is there a bot in here?
[06:09] <calcmandan> ?shrug
[06:10] <bz029> looking for information on turning on SELinux, someone in apache room thinks it may be the solution to my APACHE/SSL/SVN issue (the way i set it up works on unix)
[06:10] <eddieftw> bz029: christer edwards blooged about that recently
[06:11] <eddieftw> chris edwards... something
[06:11] <eddieftw> Zelut on freenode
[06:11] <calcmandan> i read that blog post.
[06:12] <bz029> have a link?
[06:12] <bz029> <--- frustrated hehe
[06:13] <calcmandan> Using Oo.o version via apt repositories on Kubuntu Gutsy. Trying to print an envelope, but it won't print the destination block.  Any idea what setting I'm missing? I asked in the oo.o channel but no one is answering
[06:13] <bz029> sorry calcmandan i'm not familiar with Oo.o
[06:14] <calcmandan> it's okay bro
[06:21] <bz029> Ubuntu doesn't use SELinux by default, does it?
[06:25] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, AppArmor
[06:25] <Daisuke_Ido> which has been described as "SELinux done right"
[06:25] <bz029> Daisuke_Ido, would i block access for my svn users to the repository? SVN/SSL/Apache setup
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually do not know
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> because apparmor is, i think, something new to 8.04
[06:27] <bz029> Daisuke_Ido, how can i tell which version of Ubuntu is installed?
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> lsb_release -a
[06:28] <bz029> thx
[06:28] <bz029> i'm on 7.10
[06:28] <bz029> so... no apparmor?
[06:29] <yuri_> hey guys, i flash does not play properly in konqueror. i have the ns-plugins installed and flash in firefox works fine.. any fixes?
[06:32] <bz029> yuri_ sorry idk
[07:01] <geoff> hi
[07:02] <geoff> wow people just log in and sit here or they actually say something
[07:03] <geoff> so is there a way to set your desktop up to a 3d view?
[07:04] <geoff> hi bumani
[07:04] <geoff> is there any one that knows english here?
[07:05] <bumani> hi~
[07:06] <bumani> english kekekek~
[07:06] <bumani> --;
[07:07] <Jucato> !compiz | geoff
[07:07] <ubotu> geoff: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:09] <lee98632> eh any one in here using a playstation 3 for KDE?, I jsut need to know how I can change sessions fom the black screen or figure out how to get a log in screen
[07:12] <me_> hello
[07:12] <me_> i just got home
[07:12] <ubuntu_> hello
[07:12] <me_> what have you been doing ?
[07:13] <ubuntu_> any1 have idea whats goin on? I just unpluged ethernet and turn on wifi. I got internet
[07:14] <ubuntu_> but when i start konqueror i can't load any www site
[07:14] <profKsawier> and it's not DNS = i can ping www.google.pl
[07:16] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[07:16] <profKsawier> and when i want to load www  in konqueror it only loads thas small img near address and i get masseg error while loading page: couldn connect with server
[07:17] <profKsawier> bz029: thx i will now switch pc's to check that out
[07:17] <profKsawier> afk
[07:22] <profKsawier> oh it was not for me
[07:22] <profKsawier> lol
[07:28] <me_> mmmm
[07:29] <me_> im eating ham tomato and cheese sandwiches
[07:29] <bullgard4> Although my locales are de_DE, Kexi starts in English. I consulted the KDE Help Center > Application Manuals > Office > Kexi, I could not find how to switch to German.
[07:29] <dystopianray> bullgard4: are other kde apps in german?
[07:35] <bullgard4> dystopianray: I have got only two KDE applications. But the application Kaffeine is installed only on my other computer, not on the computer I was enquiring about.
[07:36] <dystopianray> bullgard4: have you set the kde language to german?
[07:36] <bullgard4> dystopianray: How can I do that?
[07:37] <dystopianray> bullgard4: in the kde regional and language settings
[07:41] <bullgard4> I cannot find 'KDE regional and language settings' in Kexi. Where are they there?
[07:41] <dystopianray> they're a general kde setting
[07:41] <dystopianray> within the system settings app
[07:48] <bullgard4> Thank you.
[07:49] <dystopianray> bullgard4: is kexi german now?
[07:50] <bullgard4> Yes.
[07:53] <geoff> thanks ubotu
[07:58] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[07:59] <me__> how do you delete the web browsing history ?
[08:00] <dystopianray> me__: in which browser?
[08:00] <Locky> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[08:00] <me__> the standard one
[08:00] <me__> konquar
[08:01] <me__> ive been looking up naughty things :(
[08:01] <dystopianray> me__: settings -> configure konqeror -> history sidebar, then click 'clear history'
[08:01] <emilsedgh> me__: open the sidebar using F9, select history and delete items you want from there i think
[08:02] <stdin> sugeng01_: fix your router :)
[08:11] <geoff> wow this linux or "kubuntu" is actually easy as hell to use no wonder the kids go for it
[08:11] <Guillaum3> *clap clap*
[08:11] <Guillaum3> i am kid!
[08:12] <Guillaum3> gofer it.
[08:12] <izzyb> lol - yeah, linux is better then most users expect when they first try it
[08:13] <izzyb> kubuntu makes it easy though :)
[08:13] <Guillaum3> the real fun begins when you need to a do a bit of server admin
[08:13] <geoff> makes it beyond easy
[08:14] <Guillaum3> or data manipulation in the form of files and such
[08:14] <geoff> and all i am doing is messing with multi desktops
[08:14] <geoff> still cant get sound to work tho
[08:14] <izzyb> oh, I don't know.  I've been doing server stuff for years, it's always been the desktop that caused me grief
[08:15] <izzyb> but then, I never put a gui on my servers so I guess its all what you're used to :)
[08:15] <geoff> lol i got it doing that 3d cube thing with 4 desktops lots of fun cant see why windows doesnt do it
[08:15] <izzyb> yeah, sound was an issue for me on my last build, but this fresh build would is working just fine :)
[08:16] <izzyb> I think there are tools to get multiple desktops on windows, but it isn't a native feature
[08:16] <izzyb> and afaik, the cube is unique to linux :)
[08:16] <geoff> well it found my video card drivers but dont know about the sound
[08:16] <izzyb> I had problems with sound at first too, but found a doc that fixed it.  let me see if I can find it for you
[08:17] <izzyb> it was quite painless actually :)
[08:17] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[08:17] <geoff> that would be cool cant seem to get mp3s to play but itsays it fixed that
[08:18] <izzyb> geoff, do you get any sound?
[08:18] <geoff> the 3d cube thing is a fun thing tho
[08:18] <geoff> nope none
[08:18] <geoff> got the cube spinning tho lol
[08:20] <a_c_m> OK quite imbarrised right now... got 2 kubuntu installs, both with working wifi cards yet BOTH cant connect to my local network - yet vista (what i'm logged in with now) can... both cards seem to get no DHCP offers or time out when trying to assocate becasuse the association takes > 60s ... anyone any ideas?
[08:20] <bz029> power cycle the router?
[08:20] <geoff> well sorry to say im on wired connection had no probs at all
[08:21] <a_c_m> bz029: was that to me? if so, that didnt help + Vista (of all things) is able to connect using the same hardware just fine
[08:22] <geoff> is the wierless a card or usb device?
[08:23] <geoff> and do you have the ability to plug right into the network?
[08:25] <a_c_m> geoff, in one case is USB in the other case its a broadcom chipset built into the laptop
[08:26] <a_c_m> geoff (i have the problem on both my computers)
[08:26] <a_c_m> geoff and no, cant plug directly in
[08:26] <a_c_m> :(
[08:27] <geoff> hmm if you have it on two diffrent computers the one with the usb start it up and pull the usb and plug back into it i dont know if it will detect it but it might
[08:28] <geoff> as for the laptop would sugest connecting direct where the hub is just for it to have the chance to update
[08:28] <a_c_m> geoff its finding the cards fine
[08:28] <a_c_m> drivers work fine
[08:28] <geoff> might work but i have no idea only been a linux user for about 2 hours now
[08:28] <a_c_m> oh
[08:29] <a_c_m> :) thanks anyway
[08:29] <geoff> lol ok
[08:29] <geoff> i have wobbley windows !!!!!
[08:29] <geoff> this crap is funny
[08:29]  * a_c_m rolls eyes
[08:29] <geoff> but i still have no sound
[08:31] <izzyb> geoff, I'm still looking for the doc I found that made things simple, but here's one that might get you started:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[08:31] <geoff> izzyb i think i figured it out
[08:32] <izzyb> oh?
[08:33] <izzyb> a_c_m, what tool are you using to configure your wifi?
[08:34] <a_c_m> hey izzyb
[08:34] <a_c_m> Knetworkmanager mostly
[08:34] <a_c_m> i've had a stab with kwifimanager
[08:34] <a_c_m> but when i told it to change networks it didnt seem to take much notice
[08:34] <a_c_m> i've just downloaded the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide doc
[08:35] <a_c_m> so in a moment i will try that
[08:35] <izzyb> yeah, sounds like the way to go
[08:35] <izzyb> I'm having wifi issues on my laptop after an update, but I never really got it working fully before either
[08:36] <izzyb> one thing I found was that wpa wasn't supported with my wifi card
[08:36] <izzyb> have you tried connecting with no security?
[08:36] <cpk1> a_c_m: did you turn off wireless security first to troubleshoot?
[08:36] <a_c_m> yup
[08:37] <a_c_m> problem is with both WEP and no security points
[08:37] <cpk1> a_c_m: what if you give your laptops an ip can they ping the router then?
[08:37] <a_c_m> i think it could be a distance issue
[08:37] <a_c_m> as the signal is quite weak
[08:37] <izzyb> hmm, then I'm not really sure.  I haven't had the time to look into my current issues with wifi, but I suspect it was because I was using the wrong tool
[08:37] <a_c_m> cpk1it doesnt get that far, the assocation with the router fails
[08:37]  * izzyb not sure the name of it, but it didn't support wpa at all
[08:37] <cpk1> a_c_m: if it shows up with iwlist scan then they should be able to talk
[08:38] <cpk1> a_c_m: turn off wireless security and then tell the wireless card which essid to use and give it an ip, even with dhcp set up on the router you dont have to use it
[08:39] <izzyb> anyone aware of an issue causing the system to freeze, but not fully?  I can still move the mouse, but my keyboard stops working (can't toggle caps) and clicking doesn't do anything
[08:39] <cpk1> a_c_m: you familiar with using iwconfig?
[08:39] <JackWinter> argh.  i have a 2:nd hdd in my system. now i want to repartition them.  in system settings->disk & filesystems i can't delete the partitions.  what suprises me is that thez don't show as mounted.  when i go to konquror is see 2 of the 3 parts in /media as mounted.  here i can unmount them, but it changes nothing.  installed qtparted, but it can't start...  8.04 from 12hours ago here.
[08:40] <izzyb> I was playing music via amarok and it finished the song it was on at the time of the hang, but wouldn't continue to the next
[08:40] <cpk1> JackWinter: does the hdd show up as mounted anywhere in mount? secondly, 8.04 doesnt release until tomorrow =)
[08:40] <izzyb> pings stop responding also
[08:42] <izzyb> I'm trying to figure out if it's a hardware driver issue (suspect video) or related to compiz
[08:43] <JackWinter> cpk1: i know about 8.04. here is output from mount: /dev/sdb2 on /media/Mac type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal) and /dev/sdb3 on /media/Untitled 2 type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
[08:44] <JackWinter> cpk1: if i unmount from konqueror thez no longer show in the mount command.
[08:44] <cpk1> so if sdb is the hard drive you want to partition then you still need to unmount those two. and all hardy help is supposed to be in #ubuntu+1
[08:44] <geoff> wow izzyb that was like reading german for me havent a clue about all that
[08:45] <izzyb> lol
[08:45] <izzyb> which?
[08:45] <izzyb> the doc I sent?
[08:45] <geoff> the sound code page you sent
[08:45] <JackWinter> cpk1: so zou think this is hardy sp[ecific.  am still wet behind the ears :)
[08:45] <geoff> I COULD TALK YOU THROUGH THE 3D DESKTOP THO THAT WAS EASY
[08:45] <izzyb> yeah, it has everything there
[08:45] <geoff> sorry about caps
[08:46] <izzyb> I found a forum with a solution involving half dozen or so commands to type that just fixed everything
[08:46] <cpk1> JackWinter: well you are using a different kernel among lots of other things, either way make sure all the partitions are unmounted from the disk you want to partition then try to start up which ever partitioner you use
[08:46]  * izzyb doesn't recall the commands or where he found them now ;(
[08:47] <izzyb> it appeared to be automating the building of sound drivers
[08:47] <geoff> i think thats what i just did going to try a restart be back in a lil bit
[08:47] <cpk1> geoff: you have absolutely no sound at all?
[08:47] <cpk1> geoff: you shouldnt have to restart
[08:47] <izzyb> yeah, at first I didn't think it fixed things for me
[08:47] <geoff> nope no sound on this operating system
[08:48] <izzyb> but restarting I discovered I had sound
[08:48] <JackWinter> cpk1: thanks
[08:48] <cpk1> geoff: if you do lspci do you see your sound device?
[08:48] <izzyb> of course I never thought to restart cause you shouldn't need to in linux, but I think I crashed and after the reboot it just started working
[08:49] <geoff> lol
[08:49] <geoff> cpk1 what you mean by Ispci
[08:50] <izzyb> geoff, make sure it's active in bios
[08:50] <izzyb> geoff, assuming this is built in sound that is
[08:50] <cpk1> geoff: on the command line do "lspci"
[08:50] <izzyb> you should see it with lspci
[08:50] <geoff> its a SB live sound card been working for all that i know
[08:50] <izzyb> so pci card?
[08:51] <geoff> yhea
[08:51] <izzyb> should show up with lspci
[08:51] <geoff> where do i type that
[08:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[08:52] <geoff> yhea its there
[08:52] <cpk1> geoff: open up konsole and type it
[08:52] <MilhousePunkRock> I am looking for a way to pin (or whatever works) a package I built myself to not have it upgraded with the package from the repos...
[08:52] <geoff> lol im a quick learner
[08:52] <izzyb> geoff, open a terminal (kmenu ->system->konsole
[08:53] <geoff> yhea i did it it found everything
[08:53] <izzyb> try hwinfo --sound also
[08:53] <geoff> Creative Labs SB Live
[08:54] <geoff> says not found
[08:54] <izzyb> sudo apt-get install hwinfo
[08:56] <geoff> nope not work
[08:56] <geoff> will be right back
[08:57] <MilhousePunkRock> I am not even sure if pinning is the right approach... I am pretty sure adept wants to upgrade the package due to a differing md5 sum...
[08:59] <cpk1> MilhousePunkRock: i think you want hold
[08:59] <geoff> hell back
[09:00] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: It's the same version, I just had to change something and compile it myself. The package is libmtp, if you care to know. Quite a few things depend on it, Amarok for instance...
[09:00] <izzyb> geoff, did you reboot?
[09:00] <geoff> wow izzyb you are awsome lol
[09:00] <geoff> i got sound lol
[09:01] <cpk1> MilhousePunkRock: since you rebuilt it yourself just make it a different version number and hold it?
[09:01] <izzyb> yeah, I thought it was kind of odd myself
[09:01] <izzyb> you shouldn't need to reboot linux to get things to work like that, but for some reason it worked for me
[09:01] <geoff> mm but los my 3d desktop
[09:01] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: The dependancies rely on the exact same version number though, not «
[09:01] <izzyb> I suspect the sound subsystem needs to be restarted after fixing the driver issues
[09:02] <MilhousePunkRock> >= or something
[09:02] <izzyb> but I don't know enough about it to do it manually
[09:02] <geoff> well it did it
[09:02] <izzyb> I actually didn't think the things I'd done worked and was surprised when it started working after a reboot
[09:02] <izzyb> forced by a system crash
[09:02] <TeslaTony> Is there a way to automatically scan two directories, find the duplicate files/subdirectories, and copy over the non-duplicates?
[09:03] <izzyb> :) glad to hear it
[09:03] <izzyb> TeslaTony, rsync
[09:03] <MilhousePunkRock> TeslaTony: I am pretty sure rsync can do that... I would not know how though
[09:03] <TeslaTony> OK
[09:03] <izzyb> rsync -av sourcedir destdir
[09:03] <TeslaTony> I'll give it a shot
[09:03] <izzyb> but I'd double check that :)
[09:04] <izzyb> -a is for all iirc and -v is verbose
[09:04] <cpk1> MilhousePunkRock: so apt is trying to replace the version you have with the same version number?
[09:04] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: Yes. I made it the same version number to trick for instance mtp-tools into accepting the right version is already there
[09:05] <geoff> ok got the desk top dack lol
[09:05] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: On the other hand, mtp-tools won't install anymore now because some files are already there...
[09:07] <geoff> can you run firefox mozzila on this?
[09:08] <chartoin> I am trying to create a desktop shortcut for windows partitions in gusty
[09:08] <chartoin> I get an error
[09:08] <me__> where can i get wine from ?
[09:08] <chartoin> me_, what linux distibution are you using?
[09:09] <chartoin> can someone help me?
[09:09] <chartoin> me_ what distribution?
[09:09] <me__> kubuntu
[09:09] <chartoin> then sudo apt-get install wine
[09:10] <SlimeyPete> me__: adept / apt-get
[09:10] <SlimeyPete> !apt
[09:10] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:10] <SlimeyPete> !adept
[09:10] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:10] <chartoin> open a terminal and typ in "sudo apt-get install wine"
[09:10] <chartoin> make sure you have the universe on
[09:10] <chartoin> Now about my problem, anyonr know what is going on?
[09:11] <me__> universe on ?
[09:11] <SlimeyPete> !universe
[09:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[09:11] <TeslaTony> Are the errors before or after you make the shortcuts?
[09:11] <chartoin> yeah it says that it is already mounted
[09:12] <chartoin> me_: go to system->adept manager-> manage repositories
[09:12] <chartoin> make sure that universe and multiverse are checked
[09:13] <geoff> ok to get video to play on the net what do you have to do?
[09:13] <chartoin> telsa
[09:13] <chartoin> somehow, talking to you solved the problem
[09:13] <chartoin> thanks
[09:13] <SlimeyPete> geoff: you mean embedded in a webpage
[09:13] <chartoin> because now it worked
[09:13] <SlimeyPete> ?
[09:14] <chartoin> wierd huh?
[09:14] <chartoin> geoff: install flash plugins
[09:14] <me__> me@me:~$ sudo apt-get install wine
[09:15] <me__> Reading package lists... Done
[09:15] <me__> Building dependency tree
[09:15] <me__> Reading state information... Done
[09:15] <me__> E: Couldn't find package wine
[09:15] <me__> me@me:~$
[09:15] <me__> so did it install ?
[09:15] <me__> what is going on
[09:15] <SlimeyPete> no, it didn't.
[09:15] <TeslaTony> chartoin: I'm talented that way. I'm pretty useless, then suddenly the problem goes away.
[09:15] <me__> what have i done wrong ?
[09:15] <SlimeyPete> sounds like universe is not enabled.
[09:15] <me__> how do i enable universe and what is universe
[09:15] <SlimeyPete> if you enabled universe, do a "sudo apt-get update"
[09:15] <SlimeyPete> !universe
[09:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[09:16] <chartoin> me_: I don't think that you can paste the errors here
[09:16] <me__> ok i did sudo apt-get update
[09:16] <me__> oh ok
[09:16] <geoff> ok thanks
[09:16] <chartoin> paste it on pastebin and give the link her
[09:16] <me__> :(
[09:16] <SlimeyPete> yes, it is best to use a pastebin for that (e.g. paste.ubuntu.com)
[09:16] <SlimeyPete> me__: try "sudo apt-get install wine" again
[09:17] <SlimeyPete> if it still doesn't work, open Adept from the K menu (under "System") and enable the universe repository
[09:17] <chartoin> in the manage repositories tab
[09:17] <me__> still the same slimey :(
[09:17] <chartoin> option under file menu sorry
[09:18] <SlimeyPete> ok, you need to enable the repository then. Once you've done that, click Reload in Adept or do "sudo apt-get update" again.
[09:18] <me__> where do i i enable it
[09:18] <me__> i cant see a enable universe
[09:18] <chartoin> me_:
[09:18] <domentarion> hello
[09:18] <SlimeyPete> me__: you've opened adept?
[09:18] <chartoin> listen carefully
[09:18] <me__> yes
[09:19] <chartoin> me_;go to the adept option i the menubar
[09:19] <me__> naa
[09:19] <me__> i found it myself
[09:19] <me__> i hope i learn this linux stuff
[09:20] <me__> its all a bit overwhelming
[09:20] <chartoin> do you have wine now?
[09:20] <chartoin> is there any tutorial to use wine
[09:20] <me__> yes thanks you install it now
[09:20] <SlimeyPete> me__: basically, the way you usually install software on kubuntu is to use the "package manager", which is a little bit like "Add/Remove Programs" under Windows except much, much better. "apt" is the kubuntu package manager; "apt-get" is the terminal interface for it, and "adept" is the graphical version.
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> how can I check which packages depend on a certain package in adept? if at all...
[09:21] <max> I need to change configuration file in my Power PC from big endian to little endian... how I can change this configuration? what is the command?
[09:21] <me__> i like how u can do everything in the konsole
[09:21] <me__> i hope to learn all the commands
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> :)
[09:22] <me__> do you guys ever use windows ?
[09:22] <chartoin> nope
[09:22] <chartoin> yuck1
[09:22] <me__> so you never really need it hey
[09:22] <chartoin> nope
[09:22] <me__> after a while i will get used to linux and never got back ?
[09:23] <chartoin> good for you
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> I dual-boot for games
[09:23] <me__> i hate all the viruses ads and trojans for windows
[09:23] <me__> yeah i play a little counter strike source but not really enough
[09:23] <JackWinter> ok, managed to fix my fs problems, partition, format and mount.  i mounted it in my home dir and managed to change uid with chown.  how do i change the group id too?
[09:23] <me__> i want to be a hardcore linux user
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> me__: that actually works under Linux, using Wine (I think)
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> but there are still a lot of games that don't
[09:24] <me__> yeah
[09:24] <me__> geez im using wine now it has come along way since i last installed linux
[09:24] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: Hmmm... I changed the release version to be higher than the one from the repo, now adept-notifier is gone...
[09:25] <Ruairidh> Hey everyone
[09:25] <MilhousePunkRock> !hi | Ruairidh
[09:25] <ubotu> Ruairidh: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:25] <cpk1> MilhousePunkRock: aptitude show packagename will show you all sorts of info for the package, including dependencies
[09:25] <cpk1> probalby not what depend on it though...
[09:26] <geoff> Compiz is awsome
[09:26] <MilhousePunkRock> cpk1: No, it does not show reverse dependancies (assuming apt-cache show does the same thing)
[09:27] <JackWinter> ok, managed that too.  am however stumped on how to exit from the man command :)
[09:27] <MilhousePunkRock> JackWinter: q
[09:29] <Ruairidh> Does anyone know some decent cisco router emulators for linux? I've been using gsn and writing my own ios configs but I used to like boson netsim. Any ideas?
[09:30] <emilsedgh> haha, KWin gets wobbly windows.its so nice
[09:31] <JackWinter> qparted worked then i ran it from the command line with kdesu qparted.  don't know if the kde menu entry is wrong.  i installed it with adept, and in the menu editor the command is qparted/root, it's checkmarked to run as different user, but no user specced
[09:31] <me__> is there anything else then wine
[09:31] <me__> that works better ?
[09:31] <JackWinter> qparted-root
[09:32] <me__> wine wont work for theme hospital
[09:32] <me__> still says need windows
[09:33] <me__> when i start the setup it goes then later when its going to install the files it says it need windows 95 or higher
[09:33] <SlimeyPete> no, wine is the only option unless you install a virtual copy of Windows
[09:33] <me__> is that any good
[09:33] <SlimeyPete> check out appdb.winehq.net for tips
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> me__: it'd probably do for Theme Hospital but you'll get no 3D acceleration
[09:34] <chartoin> you could try vmware
[09:34] <chartoin> for linux
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> virtualbox is free and just as good for home use
[09:34] <chartoin> oh
[09:34] <chartoin> new one for me
[09:34] <Ruairidh> It's not too bad
[09:35] <me__> but you get no gfx ?
[09:35] <JackWinter> what is the channel for kde?
[09:35] <me__> well u dont really need gfx for theme hospital lol
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> me__: you get no 3D acceleration
[09:36] <JackWinter> or rather kde under kubuntu hardy
[09:36] <godkas> Anyone know of a quick walkthrough for disk imaging? i wanna make a restore point
[09:37] <me__> what are the linux games like anyway
[09:37] <me__> any good ?
[09:37] <godkas> if you have a decent rig you can get wine to run well
[09:39] <SlimeyPete> me__: all of the ID software titles run on Linux
[09:39] <SlimeyPete> as do the Enemy Territory games
[09:39] <me__> im talking without wine
[09:39] <SlimeyPete> oh right. Well... a fair few games run in wine.
[09:39] <SlimeyPete> check out the wine appdb for a list
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> CS:S and HL2 work.
[09:40] <cpk1> cedega sometimes works better than wine
[09:40] <cpk1> but isnt free
[09:40] <me__> why isnt it free
[09:40] <me__> thats sucks
[09:40] <me__> that*
[09:41] <chartoin> I hate people who try to make money with linux
[09:41] <me__> i thought linux is all about being free
[09:41] <chartoin> just doesn't fit
[09:41] <SlimeyPete> without those people, Linux would still be stuck in the 90s.
[09:41] <chartoin> because linux = open source = food = (free) = angel like
[09:41] <SlimeyPete> Most of Linux is corporate-sponsored these days
[09:41] <llutz> me__: "free" as in "speech" not in "beer"
[09:41] <me__> lol
[09:42] <me__> well put
[09:42] <me__> i like beer
[09:42] <chartoin> Richard stallman said that about windows
[09:42] <Jucato> !free
[09:42] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[09:42] <Ruairidh> And definetly don't attempt free speech after drinking free beer
[09:42] <llutz> chartoin: go and read Stallman again
[09:43] <chartoin> why?
[09:43] <Jucato> chartoin: Richard Stallman also said it's completely ok to make money with free software.
[09:43] <Jucato> anyway, the topic is for #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:43] <chartoin> and he also said that that beats the point and that it is bad
[09:43] <chartoin> at least he hinted to that effect
[09:43] <Jucato> hm...
[09:44] <chartoin> is kde4 good
[09:44] <chartoin> I mean the software support
[09:44] <SlimeyPete> kde4 *will* be good, probably
[09:44] <Ruairidh> Hehe
[09:44] <eddieftw> hi all
[09:44] <Ruairidh> Just like the war will be over before christmas ;)
[09:44] <chartoin> I can't get compiz fusion to work with my crappy graphics card
[09:44] <Ruairidh> hey eddieftw
[09:44] <chartoin> so I thought I could settle with kde4
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> chartoin: you could try kde4... some people are managing to run it full-time these days but it is still pretty rough around the edges
[09:45] <Ruairidh> Bleh
[09:45] <SlimeyPete> I'm holding out for 4.1 or 4.5, personally
[09:45]  * Ruairidh buries nose back in tech book
[09:45] <cpk1> I made the mistake of trying kde4 already
[09:46] <cpk1> and now I dont want to go back to 3.5
[09:46] <chartoin> good looks eh?
[09:46] <me__> hey what do i ask when the program wants to install directx in wine ?
[09:46] <me__> i mean say
[09:46] <SlimeyPete> me__: just say no
[09:47] <me__> kk
[09:47] <chartoin> chartoin: try kde4
[09:47] <chartoin> i have  a doubt
[09:47] <SlimeyPete> me__: in a sense, wine *is* directx, plus various other things.
[09:47] <me__> wine is slow
[09:47] <chartoin> what command did you use to make that msg to me look red/
[09:47] <chartoin> slimey?
[09:47] <SlimeyPete> me__: not always. Depends on the game.
[09:47] <cpk1> chartoin: your irc client does it for you
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> chartoin: I didn't. Your IRC client did it automatically.
[09:48] <me__> slow to install
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> because I said your name.
[09:48] <chartoin> how did you address it to me?
[09:48] <me__> perhaps now i should do something about my sounds card
[09:48] <chartoin> just my nick and the colon does that?
[09:48] <cpk1> chartoin: and yes kde4 looks very nice, but also it is missing some things that should be here when 4.1 comes out
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> chartoin: yes
[09:48] <veliouras> hello
[09:49] <SlimeyPete> chartoin: also, try typing "slime" and pressing tab :)
[09:49] <Jucato> just your nick chartoin
[09:49] <chartoin> ah now I get it
[09:49] <veliouras> can someone help me on the configuration of a wireless connection?
[09:49] <chartoin> thnx
[09:49] <me__> how do i get my sounds to work ?
[09:49] <cpk1> hopefully amarok makes kde4.1
[09:49] <chartoin> cpk1: do you know when 4.1 is coming out/
[09:50] <cpk1> I think i remember seeing summer? really no clue though
[09:50] <chartoin> I love automatic command completion
[09:50] <chartoin> I just wish there was something like that for normal document typing
[09:50] <Jucato> chartoin: late July or early August
[09:50] <chartoin> thanks Jucato
[09:51] <chartoin> is there a word processor program with such a feature like the cellphone dictionary?
[09:51] <chartoin> open office recognizes the words but I can't complete the words
[09:52] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: That depends what action you set up to complete the word... IIRC enter is the default
[09:53] <chartoin> I am talking about word processors
[09:53] <SlimeyPete> so is MilhousePunkRock
[09:53] <chartoin> It could make things easier with people who don't know fingering
[09:53] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: Yes. You can set up a key that needs to be pressed to complete the word in writert
[09:54] <chartoin> writert is for linux right?
[09:54] <MilhousePunkRock> writer* and IIRC mean If I Remeber Correctly
[09:54] <SlimeyPete> in OO, you press enter to complete the word when it pops up.
[09:54] <SlimeyPete> chartoin: writer is the OpenOffice word processor
[09:54] <MilhousePunkRock> SlimeyPete: Maybe you do, I press End ;)
[09:54] <chartoin> oh yeah right
[09:54] <SlimeyPete> MilhousePunkRock: well, whatever ;)
[09:54] <veliouras> can someone help me on the configuration of a wireless connection?
[09:55] <MilhousePunkRock> By now I know quite a lot about writer, I have just finished my thesis two weeks ago...
[09:56] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: Go to "extras" "autocorrection" (might be different, I don't have the english version). That holds all the options you need for completion
[09:56] <MilhousePunkRock> veliouras: Describe your problem...
[09:57] <chartoin> MilhousePunkRock: where is extras
[09:57] <me__> do you think linux users are increasing ?
[09:57] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: Third menu option from the right
[09:57] <Ruairidh> yes
[09:57] <veliouras> i am trying to set up a wireless connection with a netgear WPN111 adapter
[09:58] <chartoin> MilhousePunkRock: in open office 2.3
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> me__: Maybe the number of them is, users itself, probably not ;)
[09:58] <chartoin> I see no such thing
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: What menu entries do you have? Start from the right...
[09:58] <veliouras> i have installed mad wifi and and the windows drivers for the device through ndiswrapper
[09:58] <Ruairidh> Bleh need a coffee
[09:58] <Ruairidh> veliouras: ifconfig
[09:58] <chartoin> help, window, tools
[09:58] <MilhousePunkRock> veliouras: You will need only one...
[09:59] <chartoin> table, format, insert, view, edit, file
[09:59] <MilhousePunkRock> chartoin: Then it's tools for you
[09:59] <veliouras> only one?
[09:59] <chartoin> oh right
[09:59] <me__> how do you me MilhousePunkRock
[09:59] <chartoin> got it
[09:59] <veliouras> what do you mean?
[09:59] <chartoin> brb
[09:59] <MilhousePunkRock> me__: Numbers increase, not people... ;)
[10:00] <MilhousePunkRock> veliouras: What chipset is your wireless card/adapter?
[10:00] <eddieftw> veliouras: open up a konsole and type 'ifconfig'
[10:00] <eddieftw> is what he means
[10:01] <veliouras> i don't know the chipset
[10:01] <eddieftw> lspci will tell you. inside konsole.
[10:01] <veliouras> but i read in a forum that mad wifi is suitable for most netgear products
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> veliouras: USB or PCI card?
[10:01] <veliouras> usb
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> type lsusb, veliouras
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> eddieftw: In that case it's not lspci...
[10:02] <amerigo> ! games
[10:02] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> veliouras: And look for the line that says something about netgear or atheros
[10:03] <eddieftw> of course
[10:04] <me__> so if i wanted to install firefox what would the command be in konsole
[10:04] <cpk1> pretty sure madwifi doesnt do usb cards
[10:06] <eddieftw> me__: sudo apt-get install 'pakagename'
[10:07] <eddieftw> apt-cache search 'package name' will you the various programs that *might* be what you are looking for if you aren't 100% sure about the name
[10:11] <Ruairidh> mmm coffee
[10:15] <me__> i just got some beer
[10:15] <me__> grown lagers
[10:15] <Ruairidh> It's 10:15 :s
[10:15] <kodemaniak> anyone ever had the problem that in the compiz settings dialog the Tab-Key is not recognized for defining shortcuts, while Alt+Tab e.g. works?
[10:16] <me__> no in my counter is 5pm lol
[10:16] <me__> country
[10:16] <Ruairidh> ah k
[10:16] <me__> but yes ive drunk beer at that time b4 lol
[10:16] <me__> but not anymore
[10:17] <me__> every since i stopped snorting speed on a regualar basis
[10:19] <me__> omg god wine sucks install theme hospital
[10:19] <Ruairidh> lol if I'm at a festival then beer is always good
[10:19] <me__> slow
[10:19] <me__> festival
[10:19] <me__> where the hell are you from mate ?
[10:19] <Ruairidh> UK at the moment but have been living in France a fair bit
[10:20] <me__> arr i heard france's health policies are very good
[10:20] <me__> free call out doctors and stuff
[10:20] <Ruairidh> Yup :D
[10:20] <Ruairidh> NHS makes me cry
[10:20] <me__> i watched the documentry
[10:20] <me__> sicko
[10:20] <Ruairidh> ?
[10:20] <me__> NHS ?
[10:20] <me__> its a micheal moore doco
[10:20] <Ruairidh> National Health Service. The UK's Healthcare
[10:20] <Ruairidh> And I don't know it
[10:20] <me__> he goes on about americans health care and how rubbish it is
[10:20] <me__> then goes to place like france
[10:21] <Ruairidh> Heh people moan about everything :p
[10:21] <me__> to show americans how ripped there getting
[10:21] <me__> america's health system is so crap though
[10:21] <me__> im in australia and its ok
[10:21] <me__> u can get seen at a hospital for free
[10:21] <Ruairidh> He just skips the social unrest, economy problems, and shitty politics?
[10:21] <Ruairidh> Bleh I want to go to Aus
[10:21] <Ruairidh> For a holiday at least
[10:21] <me__> naa he goes in to to politics
[10:22] <me__> and everything
[10:22] <me__> arr yeah
[10:22] <me__> where about in australia ?
[10:22] <Ruairidh> No idea
[10:22] <Ruairidh> Melbourne/Sydney maybe?
[10:22] <Ruairidh> Then a bit of backpacking
[10:22] <Ruairidh> But since everyone does that now, I've avoided it
[10:22] <me__> depends what u like
[10:23] <me__> are you a quit person
[10:23] <me__> i live in perth western australia
[10:23] <me__> and its quiet here
[10:23] <me__> still alot of the drugs and rubbish
[10:23] <me__> but just smaller city
[10:23] <jussi01> !ot
[10:23] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:23] <me__> and stuff
[10:23] <Ruairidh> Haha I live near the original Perth
[10:23] <Ruairidh> In Scotland :p
[10:23] <me__> arr lol
[10:23] <me__> we better shut up now lol
[10:24] <me__> someones going to cry soon i can just tell
[10:24] <Ruairidh> Hehe
[10:24] <Ruairidh> sorry guys
[10:26] <jussi01> Ruairidh: me__ you are welcome to chat in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[10:31] <me__> hey i got firefox right. and amsn and it wants to open a hotmail window in firefox but it comes up error saying to check firefox prefeneces
[10:31] <me__> how do i enable it
[10:32] <Ruairidh> Heh thanks jussi01
[10:32] <jussi01> :)
[10:39] <Vi42440> Heyy! I just installed new libraries xxxx.la xxxx.so xxxxx.so.0 to folder /usr/local/lib  but the programs can't see or find them... I booted allready but no help. Looks like  /usr/local/lib is not in the path or variables. How can I put it there so that programs can see what's in there and use the libs?
[10:40] <Vi42440> error while loading shared libraries: xxxxx.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:41] <Vi42440> Where are the shared libraried suppose to be in Kubuntu linux?
[10:41] <Kai> hi guys
[10:42] <Vi42440> No moro Kai.
[10:42] <adz21c> Vi42440: theres /usr/lib, but /usr/local/lib should work too
[10:42] <Romina> hi
[10:42] <Romina> how can I yield the right to execute "/usr/bin/syndaemon"  to a user ?
[10:43] <Romina> at the moment, only root can successfully run  /usr/bin/syndaemon
[10:43] <Vi42440> adz21c: But it does not, I'll try to link them to /usr/lib ....
[10:44] <kblin> hi folks
[10:44] <Ruairidh> Hey
[10:45] <kblin> I'm trying to run a mount.cifs call from rc.local, but get "no route to host" errors
[10:45] <Vi42440> adz21c: Yep! That does it! /usr/lib is only working in my Kubuntu.. Thanks!
[10:45] <adz21c> Vi42440: np
[10:45] <kblin> once I can log in and do the mount manually, it succeeds
[10:45] <kblin> isn't networking supposed to be up when rc.local runs?
[10:46] <Vi42440> adz21c: Hey, how can I allso add the /usr/local/lib to the path? There is lots of stuff in there...
[10:47] <adz21c> Vi42440: I can't remember the path variable name, but basically somewhere u wanna put something like lib_path = $lib_path:/usr/local/lib
[10:48] <adz21c> Vi42440: where you'd put it i don't know either, i only ever modified environment vars for an individual terminal
[10:52] <me__> so how would go about getting im sound to work ?
[10:54] <Ruairidh> Check your soundcard is recognized?
[10:55] <me__> how
[10:55] <me__> i want to do it in konsole aswell
[10:56] <Ruairidh> arecord -l
[11:01] <me__> ok now what
[11:01] <Ruairidh> What's the output?
[11:14] <me__> speakers
[11:14] <Ruairidh> me__: try alsamixergui
[11:15] <me__> how
[11:16] <me__> sudo apt ?
[11:16] <Ruairidh> me__: nope just type it into console
[11:17] <Ruairidh> Unless it's not installed
[11:17] <Ruairidh> Then sudo apt-get install alsamixergui
[11:19] <Ruairidh> Gah it's freezing in here
[11:19] <me_> installing
[11:19] <me_> sorted
[11:19] <Ruairidh> Spring weather my arse
[11:19] <Ruairidh> me_: everything's working?
[11:20] <me_> still not working
[11:20] <me_> but installed it
[11:20] <me_> now what
[11:21] <Ruairidh> Type alsamixergui to start it
[11:21] <me_> i got it open
[11:22] <Ruairidh> Can you see your speakers?
[11:22] <Greenery> how to retrieve hidden windows from taskbar?
[11:22] <me_> its got anologue devices
[11:22] <Greenery> it shows that its running on system monitor
[11:22] <me_> its got the card info
[11:22] <me_> and so on
[11:22] <Ruairidh> So it's recognized
[11:22] <SlimeyPete> what card is it?
[11:23] <me_> VIA 8237
[11:24] <SlimeyPete> me_: all the channels are unmuted?
[11:27] <me_> yes
[11:27] <me_> its means its unmuted when they are grey hey
[11:31] <me2> back
[11:32] <Ruairidh> in black?
[11:32] <kblin> oh, dammit
[11:33] <me2> grey
[11:33] <me2> with (( ))
[11:33] <kblin> why does it have to be so hard to just mount a couple of cifs shares right after boot-up?
[11:33] <me2> so you can learn my friend
[11:34] <Bhaal> Hey guys, how far behind the offical release of hardy will kubuntu be in releasing its hardy version?
[11:34] <Ruairidh> Linux tends to break in strange and confusing ways that often scare noobs. Personally I consider this a feature.
[11:37] <kblin> me2: haha
[11:37] <kblin> me2: very helpful
[11:37] <kblin> Ruairidh: great.
[11:38] <Ruairidh> kblin, yarr
[11:38] <kblin> Ruairidh: so, non-noob, why's networking down when rc.local runs?
[11:38] <Ruairidh> Hehe I'm a noob too
[11:38] <Ruairidh> Not my quote
[11:40] <kblin> ok, so personally I consider this just broken
[11:40] <Ruairidh> Very possible
[11:40] <Ruairidh> Have you checked to see if the network service line is in there?
[11:41] <kblin> I've got networking when I'm logged in
[11:41] <jussi01> !noob  Ruairidh
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about noob  ruairidh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <jussi01> !noob | Ruairidh
[11:41] <ubotu> Ruairidh: Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[11:42] <Ruairidh> :s
[11:42] <kblin> and my interface is on auto eth0 with a static inet address in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:42] <Ruairidh> I wasn't calling anyone a noob
[11:42] <Ruairidh> Maybe I phrased it badly
[11:42] <Ruairidh> kblin, do you have an older backup?
[11:43] <kblin> older backup? it's a new box, I want it to mount some shared folder from a samba box
[11:43] <Ruairidh> Ugh
[11:43] <Ruairidh> Weird error
[11:44] <kblin> I've been toying with pam-cifs, but that keeps trying to directly mount to the user's home dir
[11:44] <kblin> and kde over cifs is decidedly not fun
[11:44] <Ruairidh> Sorry mate, this one is beyond me :(
[11:47] <kblin> yeah, me2 and your comments together flipped me off a bit. It's just this kind of attitude that we need to fix if we can't fix linux to "just work"
[11:48] <kblin> comebine this with the fact that I've been staring at pam-cifs code for quite a while and my irritation can be explained :)
[11:49] <Ruairidh> kblin, I wasn't trying to be obnoxious :p
[11:50] <kblin> Ruairidh: ok. it came across a bit differently here
[11:51] <Ruairidh> Yeah, internet and it's lack of body language and intonation
[11:51] <Ruairidh> I'll be more careful next time
[11:55] <me2>  
[11:55] <me2>  
[11:58] <jussi01> Hrm, does openoffice have clipart?
[12:02] <CodddEr> from where i can download kubuntu (7.10 or 8.... ) with kde 4 as default desktop ?
[12:03] <SlimeyPete> CodddEr: http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/rc/
[12:04] <CodddEr> this is kde 3 not ?
[12:04] <CodddEr> ooops
[12:04] <SlimeyPete> no, it's the kde4 remix
[12:05] <CodddEr> its 4 , i have other question , i can pre order (SHIPIT) kubuntu cd with kde 4 ?
[12:05] <jussi01> CodddEr: no
[12:05] <jussi01> !khardy
[12:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[12:13] <Kai> is there anyway i can play avi's through linux
[12:13] <CodddEr> YES
[12:13] <jussi01> !avi | Kai
[12:13] <kolle> HELP! My cd-drive ejects by itself?! I can't listen to any audiocd for more than a couple of minutes, then it automatically spits it out again? :(
[12:13] <ubotu> Kai: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:14] <Kai> ty
[12:14] <CodddEr> so the only way to get kubuntu with kde 4 is to download it ?
[12:14] <kolle> I can't seem to find any information about this problem via google either :(
[12:15] <jussi01> CodddEr: yes, thats correct
[12:15] <jussi01> CodddEr: either the cd or apt-get.
[12:15] <jussi01> CodddEr: However, you should be in #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[12:16] <jussi01> SinII: any chance you could fix that connection?
[12:16] <kolle> and the weird thing is that it's at random times it spits out the cd sometimes after 20 seconds of playing and sometimes after 5 minutes?? And I get no errormsg
[12:16] <jussi01> kolle: have a look a the tail of dmesg as soon as it spits it out
[12:17] <kolle> jussi01: okay :)
[12:18] <kolle> jussi01: now it's playing fine, and for 10 minutes soon? It's so weird...
[12:18] <jussi01> kolle: doesnt sound fun... I hate intermittent issues :/
[12:18] <kolle> now it spat it out!
[12:19] <jussi01> kolle: now look at dmesg
[12:19] <kolle> where do i post the output from dmesg?
[12:19] <jussi01> !paste
[12:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:20] <Kai> hi lill mor help plz sorry havnt used much linux
[12:20] <kolle> dmesg - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64100/
[12:21] <Kai> i run a sudo command to download the restricted extras and i get dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[12:21] <jussi01> Kai: you should be fine if you install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[12:21] <jussi01> Kai: so run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:21] <Kai> oh had a space in the wrong spot lol!
[12:22] <jussi01> :)
[12:22] <Kai> ty
[12:22] <kolle> jussi01: I can't decode what's in dmesg :( I'm not that pro at linux yet ;)
[12:23] <jussi01> kolle: looking...
[12:23] <kolle> jussi01: ok :)
[12:23] <jussi01> kolle: I have no idea how to fix that one... Im as confused as you :/
[12:24] <kolle> damn.. This is really weird :(
[12:24] <kolle> But thanks for the try :)
[12:40] <Kai> jussio1: are u there
[12:40] <jussi01> Kai: yes
[12:41] <Kai> hi
[12:41] <Kai> used that command now im getting'
[12:41] <Kai> i need superisor priv?
[12:41] <jussi01> Kai: if tis more than 3 lines then
[12:41] <jussi01> !paste
[12:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:42] <jussi01> Kai: did you run it with sudo like I said?
[12:42] <Kai> no sorry <-- newb
[12:43] <jussi01> :)
[12:43] <Kai> sorry man
[12:43] <jussi01> Kai: dont be sorry, we all have to learn someime
[12:43] <Kai> <3
[12:45] <Kai> updating now thanks
[12:45] <jussi01> great :)
[13:01] <lodi> I am trying to get a windows 3d aquarium screensaver working on kubuntu 7.10
[13:01] <lodi> and I am down to the final bit
[13:01] <lodi> it runs fine, I just need to make it be used as screensaver
[13:02] <lodi> how do i configure either kde or xscreensaver to use it
[13:03] <cuznt> lodi on the desktop rightclick>configure desktop
[13:05] <lodi> yes cuznt
[13:18] <mucha> helo
[13:18] <theseinfeld> hello
[13:19] <mucha> how are you
[13:20] <me> hi
[13:20] <mucha> hello
[13:26] <mucha> where are you
[13:35] <Bhaal> Hey guys, how far behind the offical release of hardy will kubuntu be in releasing its hardy version?
[13:36] <RogueJediX> Bhaal: Usually it's the same day
[13:37] <Bhaal> RogueJediX: Thanks
[13:37] <RogueJediX> No prob
[13:39] <RogueJediX> Speaking of which, will the Kubuntu CD (or DVD) have the option to choose from KDE 3 or 4?
[13:40] <Bhaal> I believe there is a remix cd or something like that
[13:40] <RogueJediX> Ah, cool
[13:40] <RogueJediX> The sole reason why I want to switch to 4 is to way goodbye to artsd and say hello to phonon
[13:41] <Jucato> !khardy
[13:41] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[13:43] <jussio1> Jucato: you learnt :D
[13:44] <Jucato> jussio1: yeah, and about time :)
[13:44] <jussio1> :P
[13:44] <Jucato> jussio1: I'd like to update the !autostart factoid soon too. just need to let my guide mature a bit and get comments from readers :D
[13:45] <JackWinter> how can i check disk "health" I have a disk that makes strange noises.
[13:48] <crazy_bus> if I'm updating software and let half of the packages download and then press cancel.  Will I have to download them again if I try again later?
[13:49] <Jucato> only the half that didn't get downloaded
[13:49] <Pici> crazy_bus: Just as long as it doesnt enter the package install process
[13:50] <crazy_bus> thanks for your answers Jucato and Pici
[14:16] <genii> Hmm, quiet in here :)
[14:16] <jpatrick> everyone downloading
[14:17] <JackWinter> i have multiple soundcards.  how do i specify which one kde and amarok should use ?
[14:18] <jpatrick> JackWinter: kmix should do that
[14:19] <genii> jpatrick: how busy is that channel? #ubuntu-release-party
[14:19] <jpatrick> genii: cooled down now..
[14:20] <JackWinter> jpatrick: so kde will use the soundcard i setup as current mixer in kde?
[14:21] <jpatrick> JackWinter: should do, works like that hre
[14:21] <tiberius1701> hi, i downloaded a kde theme and added it to the kde theme manager. i shows up but when i click apply nothing happens, ive tried 3 different ones from kde-looks.org
[14:22] <JackWinter> jpatrick: ok, thanks, will have to investigate amarok.  seems to work differently.
[14:23] <jpatrick> JackWinter: tried restarting it to pick up changes?
[14:24] <JackWinter> jpatrick: will try later, gotta go wrk a little :)
[14:40] <Ruairidh> Hmm how would I get rid of all KDE apps while I use gnome?
[14:41] <staar2> kubuntu is also released tommorow ?
[14:41] <jpatrick> staar2: yep, see: #ubuntu-release-party
[14:42] <staar2> then i am going to install it over my windows :D
[14:42] <staar2> i would like to see new KDE 4
[14:42] <Ruairidh> Actually, to hell with it, I'll stay with KDE
[14:42] <Ruairidh> :p
[14:44] <gandalf__> \quit
[14:44] <gandalf__> quit
[14:44] <genii> Ruairidh: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/
[14:44] <Moo_> /quit
[14:45] <genii> gandalf__:  //quit
[14:45] <gandalf__> thanks
[14:45] <genii> arg Moo_ had it
[14:45] <gandalf__> /quit
[14:45] <gandalf__> /quit
[14:45] <genii> One slash
[14:49] <Dorwin6> does anyone know
[14:49] <Dorwin6> how can i get snowman globe work
[14:51] <heath> anybody running virtual servers out there?
[14:51] <genii> Dorwin6: What is it?
[14:53] <Dorwin6> i have install atlantis
[14:53] <Dorwin6> in compiz fusion
[14:53] <Dorwin6> 2 months ago, i can get the snowman work on my desktop
[14:53] <Dorwin6> but it doesnt work now
[14:54] <genii> Dorwin6: Perhaps try #compiz-fusion
[14:54] <Dorwin6> i trtied, no one respond
[14:54] <Dorwin6> atm
[15:23] <casper__> hey guys. I am trying to install hardy heron on a laptop and it fails when it makes grub-install. I have had this before but i cant remember what i did about it. Is this a common problem? and if so what do i do with it?
[15:50] <aotianlong> 大家好
[15:51] <aotianlong> 大家都升级了吗？
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> !!!
[15:51] <aotianlong> hello
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[15:51] <aotianlong> are you upgrade to 8.04 already?
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> no, I'm still on gutsy.
[15:53] <aotianlong> #chinese
[15:54] <Odd-rationale> !cn | aotianlong
[15:54] <ubotu> aotianlong: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[15:54] <aotianlong> thank you
[15:55] <trappist> man is it nice to finally have the utf8 hotness and see those characters instead of a bunch of squares
[15:56] <akta> yeah, you only need to learn to read them now ;-)
[16:03] <Ruairidh> Bleh installing themes on KDE is evil
[16:05] <Jucato> sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't... depends on what kind of theme
[16:05] <Jucato> (and depends on how properly it was labeled from kde-look)
[16:05] <Ruairidh> hehe
[16:06] <Jucato> (most of the time, they aren't...)
[16:06] <Ruairidh> The theme manager keeps greying out :s
[16:06] <Jucato> ah... that's the most evil part of KDE theming
[16:06] <Ruairidh> Anyway of resolving it?
[16:07] <Jucato> hm.. which theme manager btw? KDM or KDE (2 different things)
[16:08] <Ruairidh> KDM
[16:08] <Jucato> aaah... the 2nd most evil :)
[16:08] <Ruairidh> KDE is the worst I take it?
[16:09] <Jucato> no idea.. kdmtheme is a bit broken because of changes Debian (and eventually Kubuntu) made to kdm settings
[16:09] <Jucato> KDE Theme Manager? yes. the most evil
[16:09] <Ruairidh> Yet KDE Theme Manager will work?
[16:10] <Jucato> depends on what you mean by "will work" :D
[16:10] <Jucato> theoretically so does KDM Theme Manager should work as well, except on Debian systems...
[16:11] <Ruairidh> Ah but I'm on Kubuntu
[16:11] <Ruairidh> So KDE should work mm?
[16:12] <Jucato> Kubuntu is based on Debian :D
[16:12] <aotianlong> what problem?
[16:12] <Jucato> Ruairidh: your problem is KDM Theme Manager (as you said), not KDE Theme Manager...
[16:13] <Ruairidh> What's the package name for the KDE Theme Manager then? I tried kdetheme
[16:15] <aotianlong> apt-cache search kde | grep theme
[16:15] <Ruairidh> Hehe didn't know you could grep apt
[16:15] <Jucato> Ruairidh: it's installed by default but hidden
[16:15] <Jucato> KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Theme Manager
[16:16] <Jucato> or for a shortcut: Alt+F2, "kcmshell kthememanager"
[16:16] <Ruairidh> :D
[16:16] <Ruairidh> I need to get back into linux
[16:16] <Jucato> !changethemes
[16:16] <ubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[16:16] <Jucato> 2nd link, good guide
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> Ruairidh: you can grep against anything which outputs text to stdout (the terminal)
[16:17] <PhilRod> Jucato: did you write it? :-)
[16:17] <aotianlong> my desktop is gnome.
[16:17] <phoenixz> adept manager is driving me nuts here! I want to do an upgrade to 8.04rc, but adept crashes after the first "there seems to be an upgrade available!" window.... Can I do this upgrade also without adept? just with apt-get maybe?
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> !upgrade
[16:17] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> hrm
[16:18] <Ruairidh> Thanks Jucato,SlimeyPete
[16:18] <phoenixz> and.. Will there ever  be a stable version of adept?  adept crashes, on average, about once every 10 minutes.. :(
[16:18] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, it's called synaptic
[16:18] <Ruairidh> ^^
[16:20] <spook{27}> bah
[16:20] <Ruairidh> indeed
[16:21] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, close the adept notifier and tell it not to start again ..then when yo want to do an update , just use the update oprion on adept pkg manager itself .
[16:21] <BluesKaj> option
[16:21] <spook{27}> So, I see that Hardy will have FF3 beta -- does anybody know if it will still be possible to get Firefox 2.x from the repositories?
[16:21] <phoenixz> SlimeyPete> Checked all the documentation, only talks about adept_manager.. isnt this possible with apt-get? adept_manager is about as stable as plutonium
[16:21] <BluesKaj> same goes for upgrade , phoenixz
[16:22] <phoenixz> BluesKaj> notifier? Im not using the notifier.. Im using adept_manager...
[16:23] <phoenixz> BluesKaj> Im running adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[16:23] <phoenixz> BluesKaj> then I press the upgrade arrow..
[16:23] <phoenixz> gives me a new window
[16:23] <spook{27}> Oh, looks like.  Hooray!
[16:23] <phoenixz> when I press next, BOOM
[16:23] <SlimeyPete> are you sure the notifier's not running? It usually runs automatically in the background.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> the adept notifier is what is telling you that an upgrade is available. It's seperate from the manager
[16:24] <phoenixz> SlimeyPete> Its not running.. Im doing KDE4, could it be related to that? (not that adept was anything more stable under KDE3 anyway)
[16:24] <phoenixz> pgrep adept shows nothing
[16:24] <BluesKaj> ahh, kde4 buggery again ... bah
[16:25] <SlimeyPete> you used to be able to run "upgrade-manager -c" or something similar from the terminal, but that might be depricated now (I've not used it in ages)
[16:26] <phoenixz> BluesKaj> what does it have to do with adept?
[16:26] <owner__> Howdy.  I was wondering if someone could help me with attempting to get a video driver to work with a new Kubuntu install.
[16:27] <owner__> I have an Nforce 405 motherboard with builtin Geforce 6100 graphics.  Which driver should I use?  I installed the Nvidia-legacy driver and rebooted, but I'm still on Vesa.
[16:28] <genii> owner__: You may need to change where it says "vesa" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to read "nvidia" instead
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> owner__: it's best to use the Restricted Driver Manager in the System menu if at all possible
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> also I think the legacy driver requires you to run "nvidia-config" or "nvidia-xconfig" or something similar
[16:28] <kaminix> What does the consolekit package do? Do I actually need it? Sounds redundant reading the package description...
[16:28] <owner__> I don't have the restricted driver manager in the system menu.
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> owner__: sorry, System Settings
[16:29] <owner__> wow.  I just checked xorg.conf and there was nothing for display device.
[16:29] <SlimeyPete> impressive.
[16:29] <owner__> I assumed when you installed the nvidia package, that it would take care of that.
[16:30] <SlimeyPete> it does if you use the manager
[16:30] <SlimeyPete> otherwise there's a script you have to run
[16:30] <owner__> Cool.   I'm doing an apt-get nvidia-xconfig right now, and then I'll run that.  I normally never use any Ubuntu.  I'm all Gentoo.
[16:30] <owner__> However, I'm setting up a box for someone else and I want the easiest possible system for them.
[16:31] <lee_>  how do i change sessions using text mode..i am on a ps3 and running kde 7.10., hoever it has no graphical inter face atm
[16:31] <mifauna> buenos dias
[16:32] <lee_> and for now ferget tahtI am on a ps3 and  and treat me as I am a normal PC user lol
[16:32] <owner__> Wow.  apt-get install nvidia-xconfig removed nvidia-legacy, and when I attempt to run nvidia-xconfig it just seg faults.
[16:32] <owner__> Try Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, etc.  The graphical interface should be on F7, but you can get a new session on F1, F2, etc.
[16:33] <SlimeyPete> owner__: I really think you're better off using the restricted manager. If it isn't in the System Settings application, you can apt-get it.
[16:33] <lee_> hmm ok ill be back if it don't sowrk lol
[16:33] <SlimeyPete> if it doesn't work, *then* do things manually ;)
[16:33] <SlimeyPete> (I know this is anathema to a Gentoo user ;) )
[16:33] <lee_> lol
[16:34] <lee_> hmm alt f-7  did nothing
[16:34] <owner__> Ctrl+Alt+F7
[16:34] <lee_> ok jus a sec
[16:34] <owner__> I'll try to find the package and apt-get it.
[16:35] <mifauna> ff
[16:37] <owner__> If I select restricted-manager, it says it will break packages.
[16:38] <SlimeyPete> erk
[16:38] <phoenixz> If I upgrade to the 8.04rc, can I also re-upgrade tomorrow to 8.04 ?
[16:38] <SlimeyPete> owner__: restricted-manager-kde?
[16:39] <owner__> I tried both restricted-manager and restricted-manager-kde, both said they'd break packages.
[16:39] <owner__> But then I installed restricted-manager-core first, and then I was able to install restricted-manager and -kde after wards.  Weird.
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> well...hrm... the manual way it is then
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> oh
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> phoenixz: if you have the rc, upgrading to the final version is as simple as running an update.
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> repo b0rkage then I guess
[16:39] <heath> owner__: what is the vid card?
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> phoenixz: somthing like a normal "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:40] <phoenixz> Odd-rationale> so, tomorrow I'll simply get a large update and thats it.. :) sweeet! thanks!
[16:40] <Odd-rationale> phoenixz: yes. if you are running the rc now
[16:40] <Odd-rationale> phoenixz: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/UbuntuTutorials/~3/274648472/
[16:41] <owner__> Geforce 6100
[16:41] <owner__> I installed nvidia-glx-legacy, is that the right driver?
[16:41] <heath> go 6100?
[16:41] <heath> mobile?
[16:41] <heath> no...
[16:41] <owner__> No.  But it is on-board with the motherboard.  This is an uber-cheap rig for a friend.
[16:41] <phoenixz> I suppose the new 8.04 will be using quite a newer kernel than 7.10, correct?
[16:42] <heath> owner__: did you try envy??
[16:42] <owner__> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2)
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> !envy
[16:42] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[16:42] <owner__> apt-get install envy?
[16:42] <phoenixz> Anything known about broadcom wireless cards support? Im stuck with one of those and 7.10 drives me nuts here,, can only connect to access points with 90% or higher signal quality, so I always have to sit next to the AP...
[16:42] <heath> no google envy +ubuntu
[16:43] <heath> I have used it for years and it always gets the job done
[16:43] <owner__> Thanks.  I'll try that.
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> 	Use envy at your own risk!	
[16:43] <BluesKaj> strange, the open sound system(OSS) doesn't recognize my soundcard , altho it's listed as compatible
[16:43] <CyD> does anyone know how i can write an mbr and not have to reboot before writing data to the new partitions?
[16:43] <heath> yeah..yeah.. it says so on the site
[16:43] <PhilRod> phoenixz: the benefits of wireless! free from the constraints of cables!
[16:43] <heath> again... It uninstalls as easy as it installs
[16:43] <PhilRod> (s;cnr)
[16:43] <CyD> yea might be hard to back out of envy once you've installed it
[16:44] <CyD> i asked how to here once and was met with 'why did you do that' responses :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> !envy | owner__,
[16:44] <ubotu> owner__,: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[16:44] <heath> envy --unistall-all
[16:44] <heath> if it fails
[16:44] <heath> **uninstall
[16:45] <owner__> Cool.  I'm running envy right now.
[16:45] <owner__> envyng that is
[16:45] <heath> owner__: I have a mobile 6100 card and envy worked like a champ...
[16:45] <heath> as it did with my ATI x800 and GeF6800
[16:46] <BluesKaj> heath, wait til you try to update
[16:46] <owner__> I'm wondering with my next rig to go either Nvidia or ATI.  I've always bought Nvidia because they had better Linux drivers, but ATI is releasing specs and working on better drivers now that AMD bought them out.
[16:46] <heath> owner__: just remove to envy --uninstall-all before dist upgrades
[16:46] <heath> BluesKaj: done it before
[16:46] <owner__> I have a Geforce 7600 GT right now and I'm considering a beefier card.
[16:47] <CyD> anyone know a good channel where i could ask some general dd+mbr questions?
[16:47] <owner__> Honestly, I always recommend the Gentoo forums and channels.  Some knowledgable folks there.
[16:48] <CyD> owner__: ty
[16:48] <BluesKaj> heath, well, you're lucky too , but if you know enuff to get rid of envy before updating/upgrading then I think you don't really need it :)
[16:49] <jhutchins_wk> CyD: I got pretty good results from google last time I needed that info.
[16:49] <CyD> jhutchins_wk: thanks :)
[16:49] <makdaknife> owner__: interesting question about nvidia vs ati... my colleague and i were just discussing this a while back
[16:49] <heath> BluesKaj: I don't understand what you are saying
[16:50] <heath> makdaknife: I have axed all ATI cards.... not worth the headaches
[16:50] <owner__> That sucked.
[16:50] <makdaknife> owner__: i'd be interested in any responses you get... but we decided that while ati has promised to release specs... we've never had any issues with nvidia cards
[16:51] <owner__> Envy (apt-get) wanted packages from the install CD I used, but then I refused to recognize the install CD I used.
[16:51] <makdaknife> both of us have run into trouble with ati before... so we're gonna stick with nvidia for now
[16:51] <makdaknife> right on heath!
[16:51] <heath> owner__: is this a new install?
[16:51] <heath> owner__: have you removed the CD from the source list?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> well, ati does work with some drivers , depends how old the cards are
[16:52] <owner__> New install, and I'm removing the CD from the source list right now.
[16:52] <jussio1> bleh, envy
[16:52] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: I looked into this a few months ago.  It seems like ATI's 3D acceleration has never worked as well as Nvidia's, and has been nothing but trouble in Linux.
[16:52] <heath> owner__: make sure you read the instructions on the envy site
[16:52] <jhutchins_wk> Nvidia probably has an advantage with 3D games because they've been more open with their driver interface as well.
[16:52] <heath> owner__: they are very easy, but you will get frustrated if you do not
[16:54] <BluesKaj> it seems theati  lower end graphics are easier to configure than some of the hi-end ones , altho ati claims better linux support for the newer cards
[16:56] <owner__> It looks like it is downloading packages, and it didn't prompt for the CD this time.
[16:57] <owner__> Also I have another question.  I installed the restricted-extras package, but quicktime movies don't appear to work properly.
[16:57] <makdaknife> thanks for the comments... it reaffirms my general leaning toward nvidia
[16:57] <jason__> I am in a bit of trouble and hope someone can help me. I made a small type on my server, "sudo chown www-data:www-data ./banners/ /* -R" and now have /bin to /initrd owned by www-data (this includes the /etc/sudoers file). I can no longer run SUDO and can't get certain files of my server to do a reinstall. Any suggestions?
[16:57] <owner__> I tried trailers.apple.com with Firefox 3 and mplayer plugin.  The plugin came up and said it was playing the .mov file, but it didn't play.
[16:58] <heath> owner__: kubuntuguide.org
[16:58] <flipstar> jason__: maybe boot into recovery and try to chown the files again..
[16:58] <CyD> jason__: off the top of my head.. boot a livecd, chroot into your filesystem, and ..
[16:58] <CyD> what flipstar said
[16:59] <owner__> Hrm.  If you chroot, won't you have the same issue with sudo again?
[16:59] <owner__> You might be able to use a livecd, and do a chown before you chroot, but I'm not sure.
[16:59] <makdaknife> owner__: no because you will be the root user
[16:59] <owner__> Good point.
[16:59] <CyD> but a good point, you wouldn't need to chown
[17:00] <CyD> just mount the filesystem
[17:00] <CyD> and go to work
[17:00] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: Root can chown files to any user.
[17:00] <CyD> or rather, wouldn't need to chroot :)
[17:00] <jason__> I'm actuly kind of scared to shut down becouse I have a feeling that a reboot might not work anymore
[17:00] <owner__> Another stupid question.  I see there are packages for compiz-kde and such, but I didn't see a package for compiz-fusion.
[17:00] <owner__> I did however see one for fusion-icon
[17:01] <makdaknife> jhutchins_wk: I know that... I was just pointing out that you wouldn't need to sudo if you were chrooted
[17:01] <SlimeyPete> in *buntu (>= Gutsy), compiz == compiz-fusion
[17:01] <owner__> Cool.  Thanks
[17:01] <jason__> k, thanks all, Ill look into the sugestions and test my luck
[17:02] <owner__> I'm going to restart now that Envy is done.  Thanks for all your help!
[17:02] <makdaknife> problem with chowning files outside of a chroot would be that you would need to chown to users not on the original system (ie the users on the livecd)
[17:02] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: K.  I was desparately scanning the text to find his original question.  Yeah, just run chown from a live CD.
[17:03] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: UID's should be pretty consistent though, root is 0, user is 1000.
[17:03] <makdaknife> jhutchins_wk: unless you have multiple users and you want to chown a file to a user
[17:03] <jason__> so if I can recap. Put in a live cd, chown the files from there, then back them up and I guess a clean install would be best?
[17:04] <makdaknife> jason__: yes, unless you need to chown to a specific user that is not on the livecd... then you will need to chroot
[17:06] <jason__> ok, this is probly a stupid question, but how to I acesss the filesystem on the LiveCD, I've never done that before. Should it just show up under computer:///?
[17:06] <CyD> drive should show up in storage media
[17:06] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: In which case read /etc/passwd and use the numeric ID.
[17:06] <Lutan> hi, i'm trying to learn how to Install a Secure LDAP in my kubuntu system, i'm using a tutorial to do this but
[17:07] <jason__> ok thank you all, I've never asked for help in IRC before, and this was a great testimate to everything I hear about it
[17:07] <CyD> good deal :)
[17:07] <X9nLinuxL_> Using Feisty & KDE, is there a way to get the default identity to be different for a different server without having to manually change it every time?
[17:07] <jhutchins_wk> makdaknife: As he demonstrated, a user need not exist for files to be owned by them.  You'll see this with sloppy packaging sometimes, particularly php tarballs.
[17:08] <jhutchins_wk> jason__: You probably don't need a clean install.  Do make sure you chown root:root <files> though.
[17:08] <makdaknife> jhutchins_wk: good point...
[17:08] <jason__> I'm just going to sudo tar all the files I need, back them up, and then reinstall, and untar them back to where I want them (mostly just a web root)
[17:08] <jhutchins_wk> jason__: chown -R root:root <folder>
[17:08] <dwidmann> X9nLinuxL_: you might need to create multiple identities, that might work
[17:08] <Lutan> i got an error when i try this line: "#apt-get install slapd db4.2-util" -> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:09] <jason__> thanks agin, Im going to give it a try now
[17:09] <jason__> bye
[17:09] <jhutchins_wk> X9nLinuxL_: For what kind of server?
[17:09] <Lutan> sorry, my kid just hit enter when i was writing
[17:09] <X9nLinuxL_> I did create multiple identities, but it always seems to want to use the same default one regardless how I try to order them
[17:10] <jhutchins_wk> X9nLinuxL_: Created multiple identities in what?
[17:10] <X9nLinuxL_> in Konversation
[17:10] <Lutan> can you help me please?
[17:10] <jhutchins_wk> X9nLinuxL_: I believe you can only have one active at a time, and you configure it in the server list.
[17:11] <heath> with what
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> Lutan: What do you need help with?
[17:11] <X9nLinuxL_> ok, thank you.  One other unrelated question then...
[17:11] <Lutan> hi, i'm trying to learn how to Install a Secure LDAP in my kubuntu system, i'm using a tutorial to do this but  i got an error when i try this line: "#apt-get install slapd db4.2-util" -> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:12] <CyD> Lutan: does it work if you type 'dpkg --configure -a' like it asked?
[17:12] <CyD> Lutan: then try your package install again after that completes?
[17:12] <jhutchins_wk> Lutan: You'll need to use sudo for that, but it's pretty clear otherwise.
[17:12] <X9nLinuxL_> I installed 'dailystrips' using adept, but it doesn't appear on the kmenu.  Anyone familiar with its operation to tell me why that might be?  (OTHER installs happily installed and show up fine from several days ago)
[17:13] <CyD> X9nLinuxL_: if you don't get another answer, usually in that case i go into adept, to the details of said package, and look in installed files for the executable installed in /usr/bin
[17:13] <CyD> or just try typing 'dailystrips' in a run prompt
[17:14] <X9nLinuxL_> ok, will take a look
[17:14] <X9nLinuxL_> you mean type that in a konsole window?
[17:14] <heath> X9nLinuxL_: alt+F2
[17:14] <CyD> either a console window or .. yea what heath said
[17:16] <X9nLinuxL_> ok thanks.  Fishing for it now
[17:16] <mot> if i download the kubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop.iso will i be able to upgrade to the final release tomorrow?
[17:16] <mot> or will i have to start over from stratch?
[17:16] <heath> LOL... it's the question of the day
[17:16] <heath> mot: yes
[17:16] <heath> of course
[17:16] <X9nLinuxL_> how do you identify the executable? (fairly new to linux here)
[17:16] <heath> X9nLinuxL_: open a console
[17:17] <Lutan> CyD, i'm trying it, I will try apt-get again when it finished, thx for the help
[17:17] <heath> then type daily and tap tab 2ice
[17:17] <CyD> Lutan: :D
[17:17] <heath> it will list all exec that have the work daily
[17:17] <heath> **word
[17:17] <Lutan> CyD, Sorry for my mispelling, but English is not my native language
[17:18] <CyD> X9nLinuxL_: and if you were in adept, the executable would usually be in /usr/bin and would be named similar to the name of your prog
[17:18] <CyD> Lutan: no prob at all :)
[17:18] <Lutan> :)
[17:18] <X9nLinuxL_> ok, looking thanks
[17:19] <heath> X9nLinuxL_: dailystrips is a command line only tool
[17:19] <heath> in a konsole type dailystrips --list
[17:19] <Lutan> jhutchins_wk, thx for the help I appreciate it
[17:20] <heath> X9nLinuxL_: that's why there is no Icon in the menu
[17:20] <jhutchins_wk> Quite welcome.
[17:20] <esperegu> anyone experience with REALTEC ALC1200 audio chipset? (I get no sound)
[17:20] <X9nLinuxL_> yuck.  So, is there better way to run it than Konsole?
[17:20] <X9nLinuxL_> how did you identify that it was a command line tool only?
[17:21] <CyD> X9nLinuxL_: probly just google the prog in question to learn more about it
[17:21] <baka> um, i have a resolution problem
[17:21] <heath> if you type a command in konsole it will spit out what's going on
[17:21] <heath> open konqueror and type man:dailystrips
[17:23] <baka> my screen has a resolution of 1440x900, and i set the screen size in the monitor&display settings window to 1440x900, yet the screen is rendering only a portion of the full 1440x900 desktop space
[17:23] <baka> so, when i move my mouse to the edge of the screen, the view of the space moves
[17:24] <rysiek> guys, a quickie - I need to find (*fast!*) a distro, that:
[17:24] <heath> baka: is this a new install?
[17:24] <rysiek> 1. boots from a cd
[17:24] <rysiek> 2. goes into a RAMdisk
[17:24] <baka> i installed the 8.04 RC that was released around the 17th
[17:24] <rysiek> 3. allows me to get the CD out to start it on another machine simultaneously
[17:24] <baka> installed this yesterday
[17:24] <rysiek> any pointers?
[17:25] <Daisuke_Ido> rysiek, burn two discs.
[17:25] <heath> have you tried killing X or rebooting
[17:25] <Daisuke_Ido> because 3 isn't going to happen
[17:25] <baka> it was fine after installing, but i must have done something to change it. it was fine til i set up the compiz effects and nvidia restricted drivers, and then this screen was rendering in 1280x800 for some reason
[17:26] <baka> so i disabled compiz and removed the packages
[17:26] <heath> you need to use the nvidia settings as kdesu
[17:26] <heath> baka: kdesu nvidia-settings
[17:26] <CyD> Daisuke_Ido: rysiek, doesn't knoppix have a 'toram' boot option that allows this?
[17:26] <CyD> taking the cd out that is
[17:27] <rysiek> CyD: dunno, does it? ;) I'll check, thanks
[17:27] <baka> hmm, where's the terminal in kde?
[17:27] <CyD> rysiek: yea i think so check it out :)
[17:27] <genii> baka: Konsole
+F2 ... type konsole
[17:27] <baka> ah, konsole
[17:27] <rysiek> Daisuke_Ido: we just got 10 new desktops with M$ Vishit onboard. I need to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda on all of them, and I don't want to lose 10 cds for it ;)
[17:28] <baka> kdesu nvidia-settings returns an error "command not found"
[17:28] <rysiek> CyD: yup, it does, and it's exactly what I need
[17:29] <rysiek> thanks
[17:29] <CyD> :)
[17:29] <heath> baka: you installed nvidia-drivers?
[17:30] <baka> i think so
[17:30] <baka> the display settings says that my graphics card is "nvidia"
[17:30] <heath> your card or your driver
[17:30] <baka> ill just check in adept
[17:30] <JackWinter> where do i find glxgears ?  can't find it in adept..
[17:30] <heath> it should say card nv... driver invidia
[17:31] <Daisuke_Ido> rysiek, can't you do one or two at a time?
[17:31] <baka> turns out it wasnt installed
[17:31] <baka> nv is the non-restricted driver for nvidia cards isnt it?
[17:31] <heath> that's what it sounds like...
[17:31] <baka> and nvidia is the restricted/proprietory?
[17:31] <heath> yeah... or against everyone else in here just use envy
[17:31] <lee_> hmm ok so how do I log into another session via text mode? I havn't the grpahical interface
[17:32] <baka> ok the command worked that time, and a window popped up
[17:32] <rysiek> Daisuke_Ido: unfortunately
[17:32] <rysiek> Daisuke_Ido: 80GB disks take some time to clean
[17:32] <heath> lee_: alt+ctl+f2
[17:32] <rysiek> Daisuke_Ido: nd I have 24hrs ;)
[17:32] <baka> "NVIDIA X server settings"
[17:32] <heath> then f7 to come back
[17:32] <lee_> heath I trioed that and nothing happens
[17:32] <baka> ah cool
[17:32] <heath> lee_: do you have a f-lock key?
[17:33] <baka> woot
[17:33] <lee_> eh no not that I can tell
[17:33] <baka> my pixels are sharp :D
[17:33] <lee_> f-lock?
[17:33] <heath> lee_: it's a key that enables the functions on multimedia keyboards
[17:33] <heath> or disables them
[17:34] <lee_> no I have the normal every day americn keyboard lol
[17:34] <rysiek> mmm...
[17:34]  * rysiek 'll have his knoppix in 6mins
[17:34] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, the OSS doesn't recognize my  ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02), so it fails to install , yet the card looks like it's listed in the pdf instruction file
[17:34] <heath> lee_: what kind
[17:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[17:34] <lee_> micro trends and then I have a dell usb
[17:34] <Daisuke_Ido> wait wait
[17:34] <lee_> the micro is a wirelss
[17:34] <Daisuke_Ido> what error is it giving you?
[17:34] <baka> thanks heath
[17:35] <heath> baka: yw
[17:35] <lee_> eh the ctrl alt f-1 puts me into the log in text area
[17:35] <lee_> so thoey do work
[17:35] <heath> lee_: where are you trying to go?
[17:35] <lee_> Kde4 session
[17:36] <heath> OOOOOOOOOOOh
[17:36] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj, h3sp4wn was the one that walked me through it, i had to reboot, and re-run the command listed
[17:36] <heath> try f8
[17:36] <lee_> via text lol
[17:36] <heath> or f9
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it just says the the soundcard isn't recognized
[17:36] <heath> what a min.... are you in kdm?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> amyway Daisuke_Ido ,no rush, gotta run some errands ...BBL
[17:43] <Frederick> folks where do I enable font anti-aliasing?
[17:45] <heath> Frederick: in KDE Control
[17:46] <heath> Frederick: System Settings -> Appearence --> fonts
[17:47] <Frederick> heath: hm already donestill in firefox the pictures and some ofthe texts seemwierd with a low definition any ideas?
[17:49] <heath> Frederick: are you running full color>
[17:49] <tsb> amarok (amarokcollectionscanner) is hanging and even a kill -9 won't terminate it. Any alternatives besides a reboot here?
[17:49] <Frederick> heath: im not sure how do I check?
[17:50] <heath> color depth should be 24
[17:50] <heath> are you using restricted drivers or standard X
[17:50] <Frederick> where do I set it in kubuntu?
[17:50] <Frederick> I think restricted drivers
[17:50] <heath> tsb lsof | grep amarock
[17:50] <Frederick> nvidia driver
[17:51] <heath> Frederick: goto server settings in the nvidia manager and check the X Server display
[17:51] <Frederick> I dont have it
[17:51] <heath> Frederick: you do not have nvidia-settings?
[17:51] <Frederick> no
[17:52] <heath> Frederick: in konsole type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:52] <heath> tsb: you still hung up
[17:53] <Frederick> heath: I know xorg what do I need to edit there?
[17:53] <baka> ok, another question
[17:53] <heath> you should have a default depth and it shopuld be 24
[17:53] <baka> my sound isnt working now
[17:53] <mot> question
[17:53] <mot> i just reinstalled xp
[17:54] <mot> and then i booted into my kubuntu live cd and reinstalled grub
[17:54] <baka> was working the first time i booted up kubuntu
[17:54] <mot> however when i rebooted just now, my machine still went straight to windows
[17:54] <mot> any suggestions?
[17:54] <heath> baka: what device is kmix reporting?
[17:54] <heath> mot: install neogrub in windows
[17:54] <Frederick> heath: no it isnt
[17:54] <genii> mot: chroot before you install grub
[17:54] <baka> it says HDA Intel at the bottom of the window
[17:54] <mot> i think i see what i did wrong
[17:54] <genii> !intelhda | baka
[17:54] <ubotu> baka: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:55] <mot> i did setup(hd0,1) install of hd0
[17:55] <heath> Frederick: you have no depth listed?
[17:55] <Frederick> heath: exactly
[17:56] <heath> what driver is listed?
[17:56] <rohanrhu> how is konqueror become a default file browser
[17:57] <JackWinter> any recs for a good email client.  i'd prefer something that could integrate email/news/blogs?  would be cool if it had builtin support for anonymous remailers too..
[17:57] <Odd-rationale> JackWinter: I like kmail
[17:57] <Frederick> heath: no driver listed I assume it isusing nv
[17:58] <heath> Frederick: is this a new install?
[17:58] <heath> or did the problem just start
[17:58] <Frederick> new install
[17:59] <Frederick> im installing nvidia-glx-new
[17:59] <heath> you may want to try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-org
[17:59] <Frederick> heath: already tried
[17:59] <heath> strange.... have you installed restricted drivers
[17:59] <Frederick> heath: no
[17:59] <heath> what is the video card
[18:00] <Frederick> geforce 88000
[18:00] <Frederick> geforce 8800
[18:00] <heath> you may want to install the restricted drivers or use envy
[18:00] <Frederick> restricted
[18:01] <heath> although I would think you should still have a driver listed in your xorg.conf
[18:01] <heath> can you pastebin your xorg.conf file
[18:01] <Frederick> heath: sure
[18:02] <Frederick> http://pastey.net/86332
[18:03] <Frederick> I will re-start x oki?
[18:03] <heath> Frederick: it looks like ubuntu does not know the card
[18:03] <Frederick> brb
[18:04] <tsb> heath: sorry I was afk; I'm getting "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/tsb/.gvfs \n Output may be incomplete" and then uh, still waiting..
[18:04] <heath> tsb: ctl+c that and sudo it
[18:04] <heath> it = lsof command
[18:05] <tsb> heath: hah, now the lsof process hangs and is defunced and I can't kill it
[18:05] <heath> sounds like you got some good stuff going on over there
[18:05] <heath> are you in a gui??
[18:06] <tsb> heath: yes, my kde seems to be working pretty well
[18:06] <heath> tsb: did you try ksysgaurd?
[18:07] <dwidmann> tsb: kill -9
[18:07] <tsb> heath: I did not. Tried it just now, didn't work.
[18:08] <heath> you'll have to kill all processes with amarock on it
[18:08] <Frederick> heath: the driverturned all terrible
[18:08] <heath> kill pid
[18:08] <Frederick> does not work :/
[18:08] <dwidmann> tsb: (kill -9 PID = defunct process killer)
[18:08] <heath> Frederick: I would get envy and let it compile the invidia drive
[18:08] <Frederick> oki I gtg I come back later
[18:08] <tsb> dwidmann: yes I am aware of that, the point is it is not working.
[18:08] <Frederick> heath: thanks a lot I will try it later
[18:09] <heath> peace out
[18:09] <heath> tsb: lsof | grep amarock returned all of that?
[18:10] <tsb> heath: that was the output of sudo lsof|grep amarok > lsof.txt
[18:10] <Frederick> heath: do I install envyng?
[18:10] <tsb> Frederick: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[18:11] <heath> Frederick: what ubuntu version are you using?
[18:11] <Frederick> 8.01
[18:12]  * tsb wonders if he really needs keytouchd
[18:12] <heath> Frederick: lsb_release -a
[18:13] <Frederick> Ubuntu 8.04
[18:13] <tsb> ah screw it, I'll just reboot.
[18:13] <heath> Frederick: then you will need EnvyNG
[18:13] <Frederick> oki im installing it
[18:13] <Frederick> thx folks I come back later
[18:13] <heath> Frederick: make sure to read and follow the directions!!!!!!!!
[18:14] <heath> tsb: are you rebooting? DON"T DO IT
[18:15] <heath> upon giving up your computer installed windows
[18:15] <tsb> heath: I thought about doing it yeah :)
[18:15] <heath> just kill X
[18:15] <heath> it will kill all of your processes
[18:15] <tsb> heath: ah, that was what I really meant :)
[18:16] <heath> oooooooh... I thought you meant reboot into windows
[18:16] <tsb> hehe, no
[18:16] <heath> tsb: trying killing all amarock pid first
[18:17] <tsb> heath: there's only two, I've tried killing them both as superuser
[18:17] <heath> kill 27633
[18:17] <tsb> heath: pstree reports amarokcollection as a child of init nothing else..
[18:17] <tsb> I've already smoked it heath
[18:17] <heath> kill 18859
[18:18] <heath> kill 6087
[18:18] <heath> kill 10266
[18:18] <heath> kill 16515
[18:18] <heath> still no luck ahh
[18:20] <tsb> heath: refresh
[18:21] <tsb> heath: that is the output now (the warnings were there before I just didn't redirect stderr)
[18:22] <heath> tsb: refresh?
[18:22] <tsb> heath: yeah, ctrl+r the url
[18:23] <heath> tsb: it downloaded into kate then I closed it.. let me find it
[18:24] <Teo-> i have changed the terminal icon.. how can i restore it to its default ?
[18:24] <heath> tsb: can you give me that url again
[18:27] <tsb`> tsb.mine.nu:6667 #chat
[18:27] <tsb> that sure is many libraries by the way
[18:27] <tsb> o.O
[18:28] <tsb> like, why would amarokcollectionscanner need libGL.so
[18:29] <heath> tsb: is your collection on a network or local?
[18:30] <tsb> heath: locally actually; it was on both but it was pretty unstable so I removed the networked collection. I don't remember when, however it is not unlikely that it happened in the same X-session (I've a pretty long uptime now)
[18:30] <Trolloc> tsb: technically, it doesn't... I'd assume its due to automake being stupid or something
[18:31] <heath> tsb: That's what it's starting to look like.... I think it's time to kill the session...
[18:31] <Trolloc> oh.. its because it links to amaroklib for some reason
[18:31] <tsb> Trolloc: the thing uses ~110 libraries.. quite a bit for a scanner.
[18:31] <tsb> heath: right, will do!
[18:34] <tsb> okay I'm out of X now, one of the processes still won't die
[18:35] <tsb> actually both
[18:36] <dwidmann> tsb: which ones?
[18:36] <tsb> amarokcollectionscanner still won't die
[18:37] <tsb> dwidmann: both of them that is
[18:37] <tsb> I guess this is fuse-related
[18:38] <dwidmann> tsb: will "kill -9 `pidof amarokcollectionscanner`" work?
[18:38] <tsb> ah, sshfs dwidmann no.
[18:39] <tsb> heath: voila! sshfs went nuts after I logged out; after I killed it, amarokcollectionscanner went away as well
[18:39] <dwidmann> tsb: sshfs is okay, but it is far from perfect, probably better to use nfs if you can.
[18:39] <tsb> heath: (as in 100% cpu usage and a 7.4 load avg)
[18:40] <tsb> dwidmann: I've heard nothing but bad things about it (from a security standpoint)
[18:40] <tsb> One second.
[18:43] <tsb> back
[18:43] <tsb> about nfs; really?
[18:43] <heath> tsb: awsome
[18:47] <tsb> heath: yep :)
[18:47] <tsb> thanks
[18:48] <ScorpKing> hi guys. my souncard just stopped working and my tvcard can't find any channels. here is the output of lshw for multimedia - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64118/ - any ideas?
[18:49] <tsb> About NFS; I thought it was pretty much dead because of all the issues with it? To tell you the truth I never tried it
[18:49]  * ScorpKing loves nfs..
[18:50] <a1b2c3d4> hello!
[18:50] <Gioacchino> hello
[18:50] <Gioacchino> some one know the firts mirror which will have kubuntu 8.04 ?
[18:51] <a1b2c3d4> don't know...
[18:53] <tsb> I'm guessing amarok perhaps would play nicer with my collection over nfs than sshfs?
[18:56] <tsb> how is nfsv4 doing? seems rather dead..
[18:56] <sigma_1234> hardy is due out tomorrow hey?
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> sigma_1234: yes
[18:57] <Odd-rationale> sigma_1234: join the release party @ #ubuntu-release-party
[18:57] <siofwolves> i'm not getting the 'Version Upgrade button' appear in adept, as specified -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[18:58] <sigma_1234> yay cant wait to try it out. not that gutsy had any problems in the first case
[19:01] <flo_> hi, wie kann ich in einer konosle ein programm starten? z.b. firefox install
[19:01] <ScorpKing> !de | flo_
[19:01] <ubotu> flo_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:01] <sigma_1234> !info de
[19:01] <ubotu> Package de does not exist in gutsy
[19:04] <jetsaredim> what happened to the stock ubuntu mouse cursors?
[19:05] <dwidmann> Hey ScorpKing
[19:06] <ScorpKing> hey dwidmann :)
[19:06] <dwidmann> tsb: amarok collections play great over nfs, actually, that's like 1/2 the reason I use nfs
[19:07] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: ?? I haven't noticed a change recently ...
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: great. I've had mixed results with it using sshfs. Do you have the scan for changes thing activated?
[19:07] <dwidmann> tsb: Umm, I think I do.
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: I'm on a 20mbit/1mbit line, should be enough..
[19:07] <jetsaredim> dwidmann: do you know what package the standard cursor theme comes in?
[19:07] <tsb> dwidmann: okay, I'll give it a go. are you using v3 or v4?
[19:08] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: you should have multiple cursor schemes available, try changing it in system settings -> mouse
[19:08] <dwidmann> tsb: v3
[19:08] <dwidmann> tsb: might change  over to v4 later for better security, but this is working fine for me for now
[19:08] <jetsaredim> dwidmann: yea - nothing there listed for ubuntu
[19:08] <jetsaredim> i could have sworn that on stock install there is an ubuntu mouse theme
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: I think it's just linked to something else though, take a look through them
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: find one that looks like it and go with it
[19:09] <jetsaredim> DMZ
[19:09] <jetsaredim> found it on another machine
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: maybe default?
[19:09] <dwidmann> jetsaredim: ah
[19:10] <jetsaredim> that's odd - it was totally gone
[19:10] <dwidmann> Ooh, some of the oxygen cursor schemes look nice
[19:11] <jetsaredim> ok - that is really odd
[19:11] <dwidmann> brb, logging out/,logging back in to try the black oxygen theme
[19:11] <jetsaredim> something in my kde config must have still been pointing to using that theme
[19:11] <jetsaredim> cause once I installed it - went back into the config menus and it was already auto-selected
[19:11] <jetsaredim> odd
[19:11] <jetsaredim> ok thanks
[19:12] <dwidmann> Hmmmmmm, not too bad
 Ok, I'm being dense but I'm trying to stream a Live365 .pls on my box but I can't seem to get the program to accept it
[19:19] <Kiry> I drilled down to amarokui.rc and tried to get it to open the file but no joy
[19:23] <dwidmann> Kiry: try vlc?
[19:24] <Kiry> for streaming music?
[19:27] <stefan_> hi
[19:28] <stefan_> is it possible to code a kde app (gui) only in c (not c++) and without the using gtk+?
[19:29] <stdin> then with what toolkit?
[19:30] <stefan_> stdin: i am looking for a toolkit/library that works without c++
[19:30] <dwidmann> Kiry: yes.
[19:30] <stdin> maybe the plain old X libs
[19:30] <stdin> but the KDE libs use C++ as does Qt
[19:31] <stefan_> stdin: gtk+ and qt .. use xlibs, right?
[19:31] <stdin> stefan_: in the guts, yeah
[19:31] <stefan_> ic
[19:32] <stefan_> so it is possible to write an application with all features just using xlibs even for gnome and kde?
[19:32] <stdin> stefan_: any reason you don't want to use c++ or even gtk?
[19:32] <Kiry> ok, but how do I get vlc to accept the stream?
[19:33] <stefan_> stdin: i have to set up a matrix for some languages/GUIs/OSses what libraries exist for what combination
[19:33] <stefan_> stdin: i dont really want to develop in c :)
[19:34] <kblin> hi folks
[19:34] <kblin> is there a particular reason why sudo needs to resolve the hostname?
[19:36] <stdin> stefan_: without using one of the toolkits like Qt, GTK, FLTK etc, writing a pure X app is difficult and requires a deep understanding of how X works
[19:36] <ere4si> kblin: yes - it is actually   user@host      that sudo uses
[19:36] <kblin> ah, great. then I just broke my install :)
[19:36] <stefan_> stdin: i see, so noone would use pure xlib?
[19:37] <ere4si> kblin: what happened?
[19:37] <stdin> stefan_: not really, at least not these days
[19:38] <kblin> ere4si: I did a "sudo hostname newname" without putting the new name into /etc/hosts first
[19:38] <katswaio> Hi all
[19:38] <stdin> stefan_: you could probably create a plain white square on the screen with Xlibs semi-easily, but anything that requires user input would be insanely complex ;)
[19:39] <ere4si> kblin: if you boot into rescue mode you fix that
[19:39] <stefan_> ok thanks
[19:40] <katswaio> I have this wierd problem since I updated to Kubuntu 8.04 Beta two days ago:
[19:40] <stdin> katswaio: #ubuntu+1 is the hardy support channel
[19:40] <katswaio> the backlight brightness keeps resetting to 100% every now and then
[19:40] <kblin> ere4si: I know. I was more surprised than hurt :)
[19:40] <katswaio> anyone else had this issue?
[19:41] <stdin> katswaio: ask in the hardy channel
[19:41] <ere4si> kblin: :) heh - I did something similar the other day
[19:41] <katswaio> KVIrc 2.1.3 'Renaissance'
[19:42] <katswaio> stdin: ok, thanks
[19:42] <Dutiona> hello
[19:43] <bz029>  UBUNTU, followed guide for APACHE, SSL, SVN. I am getting a 403 forbidden error, but my permissions appear to be correct. PLEASE HELP! Here is the PASTEBIN: http://www.pastebin.ca/994167
[19:44] <ScorpKing> !caps
[19:44] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[19:45] <venik> when is 8.04 officially out?
[19:45] <Dutiona> 28
[19:45] <Boohbah> venik: nobody knows, but sometime today
[19:46] <venik> ok
[19:46] <stdin> you can help test final candidates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[19:46] <ScorpKing> tomorrow for me. 24th
[19:46] <venik> I tried to upgrade through the network, but ADEPT refused to cooperate
[19:46] <BluesKaj> official release is april 24 , which is tomorrow in my timezone
[19:47] <Dutiona> yep 24 sorry
[19:47] <stdin> get all your support question out of the way now, because tomorrow you'll have no change ;)
[19:48] <venik> I am having trouble mounting a USB external hard drive
[19:48] <BluesKaj> but i tried the latest RC and I'm sticking with 7.10 until they solve the 3D and DRI prob with ATI cards ...dunno why the restricted driver isn't used in Hardy :P
[19:48] <dwidmann> stdin: Isn't it a little too late for testing those anyway?
[19:49] <Boohbah> venik: what mount command are you using?
[19:49] <coreymon77> venik: you mean a usb key, or an actual external drive?
[19:49] <venik> sudo mount -a
[19:49] <stdin> dwidmann: no, we can change the ISO right up until the hour they're released
[19:49] <Boohbah> venik: does the drive support usb mass storage?
[19:49] <venik> I mean an actual hard drive
[19:49] <coreymon77> okay
[19:49] <venik> I have been using it for many months, but lost it
[19:49] <venik> or rather, Kubuntu lost it
[19:50] <dwidmann> stdin: Think about it though, how long does it take to get a response out of launchpad? Could be days until a problem would be realized if there was one
[19:51] <Dutiona> venik did you try a "manual" mount ?
[19:51] <stdin> dwidmann: the Kubuntu team control the ISO and when it builds, not Launchpad
[19:51] <dwidmann> stdin: yes, but where would you likely be reporting problems?
[19:51] <stdin> dwidmann: on the QA tracking page
[19:52] <dwidmann> hmm
[19:52] <dwidmann> interesting
[19:52] <Boohbah> venik: do you know which package you installed to break it? maybe dbus?
[19:52] <venik> Dutions-- I am not sure what you mean by a manual mount: I tried mounting with the mount -a from the terminal, and also using mountman.  Neither worked
[19:52] <dwidmann> I think I'll test the x86_64 alternate, but I can only pull off that kind of download in the middle of the night :(
[19:53] <venik> I am told that the /dev/sdd1 does not exist
[19:53] <_ZeuZ_> venik: cat /prov/partitions
[19:53] <Boohbah> venik: i remember my drive names changed recently too.. that is probably the same thing that broke your external drive
[19:53] <stdin> dwidmann: if you want to make sure any issues get attention, there's nothing stopping you from sending them to the kubuntu-devel mailing list too ;)
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> venik: cat /proc/partitions and check the name of the device there
[19:54] <stdin> venik: what does "sudo fdisk -l" show ? (pastebin)
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> check it from the sice
[19:54] <_ZeuZ_> or take stdin alternative, wich would be the same in the end
[19:54] <stdin> but nicely formatted :p
[19:55] <_ZeuZ_> lol, performance over visuals ;)
[19:55] <venik> Neither command shows an sdd1 device, which is what the USB ex. drive used to be
[19:56] <stdin> any other disks shown?
[19:56] <venik> yes
[19:56] <venik> all the other ones
[19:56] <_ZeuZ_> venik: we know that, we want to know what is listed, to know wich is the new name for your device
[19:56] <stdin> so nothing you don't recognise that  could be it?
[19:57] <_ZeuZ_> check them taking in count the sizes
[19:57] <stdin> and compare against "mount" so see what's already mounted
[19:57] <venik> I recognize all the partitions, and neither of them is the 500 gb USB ex. drive
[19:58] <stdin> ok, try unplugging it and then do "tail -F /var/log/syslog", then plug it in and see what that prints
[19:59] <ScorpKing> stdin: will it not show up in /dev/disk/by-<xxx>?
[19:59] <_ZeuZ_> ScorpKing, it should..
[19:59] <stdin> ScorpKing: normally yes, but if fdisk isn't showing it then probably not
[20:00] <ScorpKing> stdin: ah ok. dmesg it is then
[20:00] <mefisto__> has anyone tried KToon in kubuntu? Wondering if the version in repos is functioning OK
[20:00] <stdin> yeah, syslog (which has dmesg) should print it's device when it's inserted
[20:01] <venik> stdin-- it seem to notice that I unplugged and replugged it (the tail stuff, that is)
[20:01] <stdin> what information was shown? can you post it to pastebin?
[20:02] <venik> Sorry-- how do u post to pastebin?
[20:02] <stdin> !paste
[20:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:02] <stdin> just go to that url ^ and paste it
[20:02] <stdin> then post the URL back here after sending it
[20:03] <venik> It is now in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64125/
[20:04] <venik> the USB ex. hard drive is plugged into a USB hub
[20:04] <venik> I shall also paste my fstab
[20:04] <stdin> hmm, it's not recognising it as a drive
[20:05] <venik> fstab is in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64126/
[20:06] <venik> it is formatted as vfat
[20:06] <venik> I wanted to put it into fstab as uuid, but did not know how to do that
[20:07] <K`zan> Morning all, how can I replace Dolphin with konqueror, I really find dolphin obnoxious :-(.
[20:08] <stdin> !dolphin | K`zan
[20:08] <ubotu> K`zan: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[20:08] <venik> can't you simply uninstall Dolphin?
[20:10] <tarantas> iron maiden ακους
[20:10] <K`zan> ubotu: Thank you VERY much, I personally really dislike D3lpin :-) a LOT.  Much it just does wrong when one is used to using konqueror as a file manager.
[20:10] <stdin> venik: it sees a device added, but it's not seeing it as a storage device for some reason. does anything happen if you try "sudo modprobe usb-storage" ?
[20:10] <K`zan> Thank you VERY much, I personally really dislike D3lpin :-) a LOT.  Much it just does wrong when one is used to using konqueror as a file manager.
[20:11] <kopote> hola
[20:11] <venik> stdin-- it just freezes.  THe prompt never returns
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> hey kopote
[20:12] <stdin> venik: does Ctrl-C bring the prompt back?
[20:13] <kopote> como esta
[20:13] <stdin> !es
[20:13] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:14] <venik> yes-- Cntrl-c brings it back
[20:14] <kopote> hello
[20:14] <stdin> venik: look at "tail /var/log/syslog" again, is there anything new there?
[20:15] <SmokeIT_> hey, I have a dual boot xp/kubuntu using grub, and now i cant boot my xp anymore, after the loading screen from xp the screen just go's black
[20:15] <venik> one second
[20:15] <kopote> who thankyou very much
[20:15] <SmokeIT_> does anybody know if i can fix it in kubuntu?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> SmokeIT_: go to #windows
[20:16] <kopote> ok
[20:16] <mefisto__> nosrednaekim: sounds like a grub problem to me
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> if it gives a windows splash?
[20:16] <K`zan> SmokeIT_: I think you are going to need a wincrap boot disk or CD and then run fixmbr.
[20:17] <K`zan> Or just add it to grub ?!?
[20:18] <stdin> venik: I have to go afk for a while, but I'm sure someone else in here can take over for a while
[20:18] <SmokeIT_> nosredneakim:  I'm sorry but i'm not that advancesd in linux and i dont kwite know what you mean
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> SmokeIT_: did XP used to work with dual boot?
[20:19] <SmokeIT_> yes
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> ok, then its a windows problem..... which we do not fix here
[20:20] <SmokeIT_> oh ok
[20:20] <SmokeIT_> thx anyways
[20:21] <mefisto__> SmokeIT_: does windows begin booting at all? or do you get absolutely nothing after choosing it in grub menu?
[20:22] <SmokeIT_> mefisto: i do get the loading screen from windows xp and then the screen just goes black
[20:24] <mefisto__> SmokeIT_: then it is a problem with windows as nosrednaekim said. The #windows channel or google might help, or reinstall windows, then reinstall grub to get dual boot working again
[20:24] <ScorpKing> SmokeIT_: when windows boot press <F8> and select "enable vga mode". if that doesn't help run a dskchk and if it still doesn't work ask in #windows
[20:24] <JackWinter> is there an utility to view smart data from a hdd?
[20:25] <cecko> hi all, my cpu is Pentium M (centrino) shouldn't I have linux-image-386 instead of linux-image-generic?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... smartmontools IIRC
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> !smart
[20:25] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[20:28] <spiroo>  How do I get write permissions for a file? I am trying to change files in one user home dir from another, but I getting denied all the time.
[20:29] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: are there gui interfaces for them.  just apt-got them but don't find them in the K-menu ?
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> nah...no gui :)
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> and I forget the exact command
[20:30] <white_eagle> I need the qt libraries (I removed them unintentionally) so can you tell me exactly which packages do I need to install?
[20:30] <white_eagle> I am using gnome ofcourse
[20:30] <white_eagle> I am asking this in here, because I know that QT is connected to KDE
[20:30] <ere4si> !qt
[20:30] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[20:31] <white_eagle> so, what packages
[20:31] <white_eagle> libqt3?
[20:32] <firethrace> hi  all
[20:32] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: would smart-notifier be something?  says it's only for gtk, does that mean it is only for gnome?
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> you can run it in KDE no problem
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> (and gtk app)
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> *any
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> white_eagle: yes, libqt3
[20:38] <venik> stdin-- sorry-- work got in the way
[20:42] <irko> hello
[20:43] <Jsn0327> What is the difference between ext2 and ext3?  Is one of these the linux_83 partition type?
[20:43] <ere4si> white_eagle: ext3 has journalling
[20:43] <ere4si> oops
[20:44] <ere4si> ext3 has journalling
[20:44] <coreymon77> they are both unix partition types
[20:44] <coreymon77> ext3 is a little newer, and as ere said, has journaling
[20:44] <Jsn0327> what is journaling?
[20:45] <Jsn0327> which one is linux_83?
[20:45] <coreymon77> um, linux_83? im not sure what you mean
[20:46] <JackWinter> nosrednaekim: thanks, got to read the data from the command line.  didn't figure out how the gui works ;)
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> CLI FTW :)
[20:46] <corporateMusk> Jsn0327 Journaling is a technique to keep track of whats going on with the disk in case of a crash or other unexpected event, you are less likely to have corrupt data. in a nutshell
[20:48] <coreymon77> Jsn0327: aka, its a safety net for your data in case something goes wrong
[20:48] <Jsn0327> well i'm trying to partition a MMC card.  in the tutorial it says to use sfdisk threw terminal with " /dev/mmcblk0p2:15001,, (this is a ~1.5MB Linux_83 partition) "  but i decided to use GParted instead and it doesn't have this option as a partition type.  Only ext 2 ext 3 and swap for linux partitions
[20:49] <Jsn0327> so should i use ext 2 or ext 3 for this partition?
[20:49] <coreymon77> umm, arent mmc cards those memory cards that cell phones use?
[20:50] <Jsn0327> yeah this is for my nokia n810
[20:50] <coreymon77> not meaning to be rude or anything
[20:50] <coreymon77> but what possible use could you have to partition that thing
[20:50] <Vermux> why when Im trying to change screen resolution to 1024x768 it doesnt change, and then it is going back to 1280x1024?
[20:50] <coreymon77> isnt it small enough already
[20:51] <Jsn0327> i'm trying to intsall kde to my nokia n810.  It is a 2 gig card.  I need 1.5 gigs for the file system and the other 500 for storage
[20:52] <coreymon77> wow, im not so sure im the right person to be asking that
[20:53] <coreymon77> i dont know much about linux on cell phones
[20:53] <Jsn0327> it's not a cell phone it's an internet tablet
[20:53] <Jsn0327> thats cool though, i'll just create an ext 2 to be on the safe side
[20:53] <Jsn0327> do you know how to use sfdisk to add a boot flag to a partition?
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> Jsn0327: definately the wrong channel for this
[20:54] <coreymon77> no, not really
[20:54] <coreymon77> this isnt exactly a kubuntu question
[20:54] <Jsn0327> lol. what version is kde up to? 4.01?
[20:55] <coreymon77> .03 acutally
[20:56] <Jsn0327> wow.  has file sharing options been implemented in the system settings yet?  I know that 4.0 was a complete rewrite
[20:56] <coreymon77> again, not a kubuntu question
[20:57] <xoqa> i could restart and my sound would be working.. but i'd prefer not to.. how to see what
[20:57] <xoqa> 's using my sound card and stop the process
[20:58] <gromozekin> hi there
[20:58] <gromozekin> i v got one question
[20:58] <xoqa> oi gromozekin
[20:58] <coreymon77> hey there gromozekin
[20:59] <gromozekin> is it real to upgrade from gutsy up to 8 04 without downloading cd)
[20:59] <theadmin> hello
[20:59] <gromozekin> yep
[20:59] <gromozekin> and is this upgrade available now
[20:59] <gromozekin> )
[20:59] <gromozekin> apt-get dist-upgrade ??
[20:59] <theadmin> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)  fails to work.  help?
[20:59] <gromozekin> or how
[20:59] <gromozekin> nvidia scum
[21:00] <gromozekin> sorry
[21:00] <gromozekin> )
[21:00] <theadmin> gromozekin: yeah I cant wait to play doom3 on that open source GFX that have performance of riva TNT 32 MB, and costs 1500 usd =)
[21:00] <gromozekin> hehe
[21:00] <gromozekin> i prefer ati
[21:01] <gromozekin> but they have some troubles with drivers but. amd openned some specs of ati)
[21:01] <coreymon77> gromozekin: dont use dist-upgrade
[21:01] <coreymon77> !upgrade
[21:01] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:01] <gromozekin> damn
[21:01] <coreymon77> take a look at that
[21:01] <gromozekin> ok thx
[21:02] <Coggz> having trouble with a fresh kubuntu install. PRoblem comes here: used to be a mandriva box, and i am using same user name and the same home partition, just changed / mount
[21:02] <gromozekin> Mandriva suck moar
[21:03] <gromozekin> Use Debian/Kubuntu or Slackware)
[21:03] <Coggz> when i boot, it says "could not start kstartupconfig. Check your installation"
[21:03] <gromozekin> only
[21:03] <Coggz> i know,
[21:03] <coreymon77> gromozekin: he is using kubuntu
[21:03] <gromozekin> )
[21:03] <Coggz> that is all i use on 2 laptops, 2 pcs...
[21:03] <Coggz> tablet pc
[21:03] <coreymon77> Coggz: so, what exactly is the issue?
[21:04] <gromozekin> on pc i use debian etch and on one laptop kubuntu and on other slackware
[21:04] <Coggz> kde will not open up, as i think it has kde sessions from mandriva
[21:04] <coreymon77> well, heres the issue with that
[21:04] <coreymon77> the kde that kubuntu uses is a little different than the kde that most other distros use
[21:05] <coreymon77> therefore, i dont think it will be possible to use the mandriva partition to run kubuntu
[21:05] <Coggz> right, so how do i delete kde temp/cache files?
[21:05] <AssociateX> Hello people
[21:05] <Coggz> hiu
[21:05] <coreymon77> what do you mean by you are using the same user?
[21:06] <mefisto__> coreymon77: what's wrong with using dist-upgrade?
[21:06] <coreymon77> mefisto__: there are better ways of doing an upgrade
[21:06] <coreymon77> mefisto__: im usually all for cli, but dist upgrade has caused to many problems on my end
[21:06] <Coggz> old username = luke new username = luke, so all the home files are shared and permissions are screwed :[
[21:07] <coreymon77> that would be a big problem
[21:07] <Coggz> yes
[21:07] <Coggz> i know
[21:07] <coreymon77> i think you might have to whipe out your home and start completely fresh
[21:07] <Coggz> bollox...
[21:07] <AssociateX> I don't think so
[21:07] <coreymon77> that would be the simplest solution i can think of
[21:07] <AssociateX> add the same user with the same user number
[21:07] <coreymon77> but there are probably people here that know more than me on this topic
[21:07] <Coggz> ok... any less destructive options?
[21:08] <Coggz> thanks for the input
[21:08] <mefisto__> coreymon77: you mean using adept to upgrade is less problematic? It's never quite worked for me
[21:08] <Coggz> i know!!!
[21:09] <coreymon77> ive personally had less issues with an adept upgrade than i have with dist-upgrade
[21:09] <Coggz> make a new user called coggz (my nick) then re permission all files to moi,
[21:09] <Coggz> would that work?
[21:09] <coreymon77> if you knew how to do it, it might
[21:10] <Coggz> yes, how do i create a new user in cli... next brick wall
[21:10] <AssociateX> yeah, that would be good to, just chown the whole /home/your_user_name dir to what you need
[21:11] <x_link> Hi!
[21:11] <x_link> When will the final release of Kubuntu 8.04 be released?
[21:11] <Coggz> yes, but how do i make a new user? im not tip top on cli
[21:11] <AssociateX> adduser or useradd
[21:11] <coreymon77> im sorry, this isnt really my area of expertise when it comes to linux, i dont think i can help much coggz
[21:12] <Coggz> thats fine, thanks for the help so far, i appreciate the help
[21:12] <JackWinter> i did an adept version upgrade yesterday.  no problems as far as i can see...
[21:12] <x_link> Anybody?
[21:12] <Coggz> !hardy
[21:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[21:12] <coreymon77> x_link: soon
[21:12] <AssociateX>  useradd -m (username)
[21:12] <Coggz> 1 day
[21:13] <x_link> Coggz: Ohh nice =)
[21:13] <x_link> Tomorrow then =)
[21:13] <JackWinter> i think it was relased already, if you go to ubuntu.com
[21:13] <x_link> JackWinter: But not the final release?
[21:13] <Coggz> !useradd
[21:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useradd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:13] <coreymon77> JackWinter: ya, maybe ubuntu hardy has, but not kubuntu
[21:13] <coreymon77> just wait a day
[21:14] <AssociateX> Coggz: maybe it's useradd on your disrto
[21:14] <JackWinter> ok, could be.  thought it happened at the same time ;)
[21:15] <theadmin> does ubuntu support GeForce 8600 GT?  (64 bit, ubuntu 7.10)
[21:16] <Coggz> urmm, i have the user coggz, but i dont know the pass, i ran sudo useradd -m coggz
[21:16] <Coggz> root pass doesn't work, blank doesnt
[21:16] <AssociateX> Coggz: you don't know your root password?
[21:16] <venik> Jack-- how did you get Adept to offer the option of Version Upgrade?  I tried but that option was not available
[21:16] <Coggz> yes
[21:17] <Coggz> but i dont know the pass for the user i just created
[21:18] <AssociateX> "passwd coggz" and set it
[21:18] <Coggz> aha, thanks
[21:18] <gromozekin> to venik - same
[21:18] <AssociateX> np
[21:18] <gromozekin> so
[21:18] <gromozekin> really
[21:18] <gromozekin> how to upgrade through Adept Manager
[21:18] <Vermux> why the resolution cannot be changed to 1024x768?
[21:18] <gromozekin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[21:18] <gromozekin> vermux check out modline
[21:19] <AssociateX> any former gentoo users here? I'm wondering what you like about kubuntu over gentoo, thanks
[21:19] <gromozekin> vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:19] <gromozekin> for example
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: I've tried GEntoo, mostly what I like is when I want an app, I get it instalantly without haveing to compile it
[21:19] <gromozekin> but be careful
[21:19] <gromozekin> make backup
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: along with the best automatic hardware and suspend support in Linux
[21:20] <Coggz> wooo, im logged in. now for permissions
[21:21] <AssociateX> nosrednaekim: cool, how do you like the package managing system for kubuntu?
[21:21] <venik> Gromo-- this requires the Alternate CD.  I was looking to update through the network, which is how I did it from Feisty to Gutsy
[21:21] <AssociateX> Coggz: permissions for what?
[21:21] <gromozekin> damn
[21:22] <Coggz> files, dont worry
[21:23] <AssociateX> chown -R coggz /home/coggz
[21:23] <Vermux> gromozekin: the Version Update doesnt appear after I fetch updates
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> AssociateX: almost never had a problem...... and upgrading from gutsy to hardy was smooth as could be
[21:23] <Coggz> dont worry, i know how to do this bit, lol
[21:24] <JackWinter> i don"t remember am a noob;)  maybe I'm even lying.  maybe i did with apt-get...
[21:25] <AssociateX> nosrednaekim: I have to cook some food now, bbl , thanks for the info
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:27] <Vermux> is the new version of kubuntu is ready?
[21:27] <Coggz> !hardy
[21:27] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[21:28] <Vermux> will it fix the resolution problems?
[21:30] <lovely> why do you think, that with w32codecs installed, I still get only a blue screen on tvideos?
[21:30] <gromozekin> w not neccesary
[21:30] <lovely> gromozekin: huh?
[21:30] <gromozekin> huh
[21:30] <gromozekin> thanks кончил
[21:31] <lovely> gromozekin: ahh
[21:31] <Vermux> will the new version fix the screen resolution problems? currently it cannot be changed much
[21:31] <gromozekin> yeap
[21:32] <sourcemaker_> does kopete supports skype?
[21:32] <gromozekin> no
[21:33] <Daisuke_Ido> no, but skype supports skype
[21:35] <lovely> why do you think, that with w32codecs installed, I still get only a blue screen on tvideos?
[21:36] <ernie> I'm trying to upgrade my kubuntu to Hardy, following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu and I never see a "version Upgrade" button. Do I have to wait for the final release?
[21:37] <gromozekin> Welcome to our club of those who cant find this damn button
[21:37] <gromozekin> ))
[21:38] <ernie> great
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> I just did it ont he command line
[21:39] <ernie> what's the command?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> lovely, what kind of videos , dvd , avi or... ?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> replace every gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list with hardy, run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:42] <lovely> BluesKaj: windows media, mainly online vidios, but also .mov  files from my camera
[21:42] <ernie> thanks
[21:43] <Penner> hi guys! i have a (hopefully) tiny little question
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:44] <venik> stdin, any new insights into the USB drive issue?
[21:44] <Penner> i am running kubuntu 8.04 in a vertual machine under winXP. everything works fine so far but the wheel of my mouse is not working. i have a 5 button mouse
[21:44] <Penner> btw, i am total noob :)
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> Penner: its probably the Virtual machine program
[21:45] <genii> !buttons
[21:45] <Penner> any ideas ow to fix it?
[21:45] <Coggz> is it hard to put gnome with kde?
[21:45] <Penner> *how
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> Coggz: simple
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:46] <Coggz> will it screw me?
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> no
[21:46] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[21:46] <Coggz> no splash issues?
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[21:47] <genii> Penner: Perhaps see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> (just in case you want to remove it cleanly later)
[21:47] <venik> can you also say "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" and still keep kde?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: right.. so you can remove it :)
[21:47] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how i should have installed kde4 :D
[21:47] <Penner> genii: thx, i will have a look there
[21:47] <Coggz> so should i apt-get or aptitiude?
[21:49] <venik> Aptitude is newer, but for some reason the geeks always use apt-get in their examples and suggestions
[21:49] <BluesKaj> lovely, try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:49] <genii> Coggz: Whichever you prefer. But if you install with apt-get, remove with apt-get. If you install with aptitude, remove with aptitude.  Etc
[21:49] <lovely> BluesKaj: with apt-get
[21:49] <lovely> ?
[21:49] <Coggz> ok...
[21:49] <Daisuke_Ido> venik, creatures of habit, you know...
[21:49] <venik> indeed
[21:50] <Coggz> so aptitude is better?
[21:50] <Coggz> will all my programs work
[21:51] <lovely> BluesKaj: thanks
[21:51] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude and apt-get are essentially the same
[21:51] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude just has better dependency tracking
[21:51] <Coggz> ok,
[21:52] <Coggz> really?
[21:52] <Coggz> ok
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> they will both install the same thing, nothing you have now will be disturbed
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> (actually, i think it might install gdm as default and change the usplash)
[21:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but nothing drastic
[21:52] <Coggz> i dont really care about that
[21:53] <Daisuke_Ido> then you're fine
[21:53] <Coggz> 794mb is a tad excessive...lol
[21:54] <Daisuke_Ido> well, you're installing the whole thing
[21:55] <Coggz> what is liboobs? is it a pron manager?
[21:55] <Coggz> lol
[21:56] <Daisuke_Ido> no, that would be hot-babe
[21:56] <Daisuke_Ido> (don't believe me?  look it up :D)
[21:56] <Coggz> lol
[21:56] <AssociateX> what is the kubuntu package manager called?
[21:57] <Coggz> what about, python-sexy? and libsexy2
[21:57] <inigoalonso> adept?
[21:57] <Coggz> synaptic
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> adept_manager
[21:57] <Daisuke_Ido> synaptic is gtk (and a whole lot more stable)
[21:58] <Coggz> i love synaptic
[21:58] <lovely> BluesKaj: no love dr. jones
[21:59] <BluesKaj> which media player , lovely ?
[22:00] <lovely> BluesKaj: i am using firefox with I think the kaffine plug in, trying to watch some NOVA  shows
[22:01] <AssociateX> should I just be reading the Ubuntu docs for my Kubuntu questions? It's my first day here.
[22:01] <gromozekin> hate stupid suspend
[22:01] <DreadKnight> AssociateX: adept_manager
[22:01] <gromozekin> guyz
[22:01] <AssociateX> thank you
[22:01] <gromozekin> how to upgrade my kernel with apt-get?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> oh lovely , web content ..make sure you have flashplugin-nonfree, and xine for mozillainstalled as well
[22:09] <lovely> BluesKaj: xine for mozilla... thats (I hope) is the ticket
[22:11] <coggz> !hardy
[22:11] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now!
[22:11] <lovely> BluesKaj: still no love, I will kill firefox and restart
[22:11] <flipstar> !installhardy
[22:11] <ubotu> Every time you install hardy, Hobbsee pokes a kitten with the long pointy stick of doom!
[22:11] <stdin> heh
[22:12] <kblin> uh, cool
[22:12]  * kblin goes to install some more hardy boxes
[22:13] <rakan> Hello, anyone know when the final release would be? we are in 24 of april :D
[22:13] <rakan> it's been 13 minutes so far
[22:13] <rakan> so it should be out by now :D
[22:13] <lovely> BluesKaj: no love
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> rakan, be a little patient
[22:13] <crimsun> please don't ask, because we don't know until we know.
[22:13] <stdin> rakan: /join #ubuntu-release-party
[22:14] <lovely> BluesKaj:  I am on a fresh upgrade to gusty gibbon.
[22:21] <matteo> !list
[22:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:22] <AndreSantos> when is kubuntu 8.04 going to be available for updates?
[22:23] <matteo> you can get it at kubuntu website
[22:24] <Gioacchino> when can I download hardy heron ??
[22:25] <AndreSantos> but its still the release candidate...
[22:25] <lovely> will hardy heron have KDE4?
[22:25] <Gioacchino> yes
[22:25] <earror> Man, too bad there's no Mac4Lin icon theme for KDE. :(
[22:25] <lovely> kick a#%
[22:25] <Gioacchino> byez!!
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> earror: there is after a fashion..... use
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> baghira
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> !info baghira
[22:26] <ubotu> Package baghira does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info hardy
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy-Heron
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy-heron does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <Gioacchino> !info Hardy Heron
[22:27] <ubotu> Package hardy does not exist in gutsy
[22:27] <stdin> please don't abuse the bot Gioacchino
[22:28] <Gioacchino> sorry
[22:28] <earror> We should create a bot abuse clinic. :)
[22:28] <stdin> it's #ubuntu-bots :)
[22:29] <stdin> you can play with ubotu all you want there, or in /msg
[22:29] <lovely> !wmv
[22:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:30] <MrBallZ> hi, is there a countdown timer ??
[22:30] <stdin> MrBallZ: there isn't an exact time set, so no
[22:31] <AssociateX> is there a link for the differences of debian and ubuntu? I'm looking for a distro other than the one that I'm using now, Gentoo.
[22:32] <AssociateX> I'll keep googling then
[22:32] <lovely> BluesKaj: any other ideas?
[22:32] <stdin> AssociateX: the differences are that we take debian and make it user friendly ;)
[22:34] <AssociateX> stdin: ah, cool
[22:34] <AssociateX> stdin: by way of GUI stuff and docs?
[22:34] <Gioacchino> but ubuntu go at US midnight or european midnight ?
[22:34] <crimsun> timezone is irrelevant.  It's done when It's Done.
[22:35] <stdin> AssociateX: that and more
[22:35] <lovely> dont rush the programer monkeys, they'll be more likley to leave behind banana peels
[22:36] <stdin> Gioacchino: it will not be released at midnight, it'll probably be around lunch-time BST
[22:36] <Gioacchino> BST ??
[22:36] <DirkGently> British Summer Time
[22:37] <DirkGently> or Bloody Stupid Time?
[22:37] <ktownhero> lol @ lovely
[22:37] <stdin> BST = UTC+1
[22:37] <Gioacchino> ok
[22:37] <FrauHansen> why are my windows allways in the top left (or bottom left) corner, when i open them?
[22:38] <Gioacchino> In Italy we are more confident with UTC  :P
[22:38] <stdin> well canonical is based in the UK
[22:39] <Gioacchino> not in south africa ?
[22:39] <iRelinquish> i thought south africa also
[22:39] <stdin> no, mark is from SA, but canonical is based in the UK
[22:39] <iRelinquish> italy = sabayon
[22:39] <stdin> canonical.com
[22:41] <lovely> does anyone have any idea why I cant look at the videos online in wmv format? I have the restricted, the w32 codecs, xine for mozilla and so forth
[22:41] <lovely> but no love
[22:41] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: before you shot italy learn to talk...
[22:41] <init_alan> hi everyone, greeting from Guatemala
[22:42] <Gioacchino> end after teach us about sabayon...
[22:42] <Gioacchino> does anyone have any idea why I cant look at the videos online in wmv format?  try vlc without mozilla plugin
[22:42] <Gioacchino> look at html code
[22:42] <iRelinquish> gioacchino? what
[22:43] <Gioacchino> and add wmv path file on vlc open url
[22:43] <iRelinquish> sabayon is a linux distro from italy
[22:43] <Gioacchino> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[22:43] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: sorry
[22:43] <iRelinquish> ha ha
[22:43] <iRelinquish> its all good
[22:43] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish:  someone tell us "ZABAIONE" to shot us..
[22:44] <iRelinquish> no idea what your talking about
[22:44] <Gioacchino> also someone use "Italian spaghetti programming language" to shot italian programmer..
[22:44] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: sorry I misunderstood
[22:47] <Gioacchino> iRelinquish: but above all sorry is my fault I misanderstood :#
[22:47] <init_alan> af
[22:48] <Gioacchino> some one know if kvirc try icon is fixed in hardy??
[22:48] <Gioacchino> in gutsy is too much big
[22:57] <Gioacchino> some one know if kvirc try icon is fixed in hardy??
[22:57] <Gioacchino> in gutsy is too much big
[23:18] <kkskakd> hi, can i recover anything from a ntfs partition i had before installing kubuntu over it?
[23:18] <sponzor> when will be the final version relesaed?
[23:19] <kmorrissey> hi everyone, need some help with getting video to play within firefox, im new to linux
[23:19] <kkskakd> i tried testdisk and it found that ntfs after an advanced search but it's flagged D (deleted) and when i do P(list files) it says it's corrupt or something
[23:19] <DirkGently> kkskakd: you may need Windows recovery tools for that
[23:20] <kkskakd> DirkGently, like do you think it's possible to recover anything even if the partition was deleted, kubuntu made a new one and formatted it with ext3?
[23:21] <kkskakd> i don't want to reinstall windows, just need something i had on that ntfs
[23:21] <DirkGently> kkskakd: did you finish the install?
[23:22] <kkskakd> DirkGently, yes my pc is running kubuntu right now
[23:22] <kkskakd> DirkGently, i understand that after an high format the data is not lost, just the addresses to it
[23:22] <DirkGently> I'd say you've lost all data then
[23:22] <DirkGently> yes, but you've written into it as well
[23:23] <kkskakd> but testdisk ..
[23:23] <kkskakd> find's the partition
[23:23] <kkskakd> any forensic tools?
[23:23] <kmorrissey> I had it working earlier, but then run some command in konnsole which asked me one step at a time to choose my default.  Something like press enter to leave as default or select a number of the item i want, please help
[23:24] <kkskakd> DirkGently, so you say it's impossible?
[23:24] <DirkGently> kkskakd: at the very least it'll require a lot of work
[23:24] <kkskakd> DirkGently, i have time plenty
[23:25] <kkskakd> DirkGently, it's just i never had to do it, and im soo lost
[23:25] <kkskakd> DirkGently, and i don't need a full working partition, i don't need to boot it, just to recover some files
[23:25] <DirkGently> kkskakd: have you looked around for forensic tools?
[23:26] <kkskakd> DirkGently, yes, and i tried testdisk, and it find's it but it can't restore it
[23:27] <dwidmann> :O not even testdisk can hack it? that's pretty bad
[23:27] <kkskakd> yeah..
[23:27] <DirkGently> kkskakd: what is the data you need to recover? text files?
[23:28] <kkskakd> yes
[23:28] <DirkGently> plain text, not word docs?
[23:28] <kkskakd> well word i guess
[23:28] <kkskakd> and openoffice
[23:28] <kmorrissey> does anyone no the command I might have used to change my default flash player, plugins etc, I used konsole but cant remember what I typed
[23:29] <ISS_Student> Is this the channel for questions on 8.04?
[23:29] <kkskakd> hmm i guess it's impossible
[23:30] <dwidmann> maybe something like sleuthkit would have the tools you need, but I've never tried  to use it before
[23:30] <kkskakd> even those who sess recovery tools advise not to write anything on that disk you wish to recover
[23:30] <stdin> ISS_Student: until it's released you want #ubuntu+1
[23:30] <kkskakd> *sell
[23:31] <dwidmann> kkskakd: can probably get a usb drive on the cheap and dump the files onto it
[23:31] <kkskakd> i have one
[23:32] <dwidmann> kkskakd: then you wouldn't be writing anything onto the disk you're recovering from, you'd be writing onto the usb drive instead :)
[23:33] <kmorrissey> #firefox
[23:34] <kkskakd> dwidmann, uh .. it's like this: I had an windows xp on a ntfs partition that took all the disk. Then i get kubuntu, install it (erased that ntfs partition, created ext3 , formatted ext3, installed files) and i am using kubuntu now for the past 10 days
[23:34] <dwidmann> kkskakd: and?
[23:35] <kkskakd> still hope to recover anything from that ntfs ?
[23:35] <dwidmann> kkskakd: you're probably out of luck, you've already overwritten a lot
[23:35] <kkskakd> yes..
[23:35] <kkskakd> but maybe not what i need
[23:35] <DirkGently> dwidmann: that's what we surmised :)
[23:36] <kkskakd> maybe that one file i need it's there
[23:36] <kkskakd> :)
[23:36] <kkskakd> who knows
[23:36] <kkskakd> but i never did anything like this so i don't know what the steps are, not even what to look for
[23:37] <kkskakd> i googled for it, and it showed testdisk for recovering deleted partitions
[23:37] <dwidmann> kkskakd: seems you've learned lesson #1 about computer data: backup backup backup backup
[23:37] <kkskakd> haha
[23:37] <kkskakd> yes
[23:38] <DirkGently> kkskakd: take it to the police and tell them you suspect it's got bomb-making instructions on it
[23:39] <kkskakd> i don't know..
[23:39] <kkskakd> maybe chind porn
[23:39] <dwidmann> lol
[23:40] <kkskakd> and how do they recover even burnt harddisks?
[23:40] <dwidmann> kkskakd: expensive hardware probing
[23:41] <pietro> help kicker kde4?
[23:41] <dwidmann> pietro: kicker doesn't exist in kde4, it was replaced by plasma
[23:42] <kkskakd> anyway just downloaded insert live cd (from inside security) and it has some forensic tools, i'll just boot it and see if i can do anything
[23:42] <kkskakd> thanks guys
[23:42] <kkskakd> bye
[23:42] <dwidmann> good luck kkskakd
[23:42] <Jucato> pietro: #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 help
[23:42] <pietro> ok
[23:43] <dwidmann> Jucato: it's sad how dead #kubuntu-kde4 is all the time
[23:44] <genii> Jucato: After the KDE3/KDE4 split will this be the 3.5 channel?
[23:44] <Jucato> in a few months it will probably be merged here anyway
[23:44] <Jucato> genii: after? it already is
[23:45] <soldier> ubuntu 8.04 coming soon.
[23:45] <genii> Jucato: Since 3 and 4 will be available I figured by default it would be here :) Since there seems no #kubuntu-kde3 channel....
[23:45] <soldier> when
[23:45] <soldier> ??
[23:46] <Jucato> genii: yeah. KDE 3 here, KDE 4 in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:46] <Jucato> soldier: ask in #ubuntu+1 but I think it's today (what time, I don't know)
[23:46] <soldier> ok ^)
[23:46] <soldier> :)
[23:46] <stdin> "It'll be out when it's out and not before that"
[23:56] <timboy> is there a way to open up port 21 to a user that does not have root perms?
[23:59] <stdin> timboy: huh? you mean use ssh?
[23:59] <stdin> just install  the "ssh" package
[23:59] <genii> stdin: ssh = 22
[23:59] <timboy> stdin, no ftp port to a user. I have installed an ftp server in wine
[23:59] <stdin> oh, yeah
[23:59] <stdin> that's what I get for just glancing