[00:00] <_Rambaldi_> well i have no idea what mt. is or tape retension
[00:00] <newbie> _Rambaldi_, all right
[00:05] <newbie> I tried to stop the current driver for my wireless card using modprobe -r prism54pci, but after that, my computer freezes and I have to shut it down
[00:05] <ubuntucool123> has anyone got compiz working on Mobility Radeon 7500 and Ubuntu 8.04 RC?
[00:06] <Who_> Does anyone know whether Envy will let me install and _older_ driver
[00:06] <Who_> ?
[00:07] <Mark_G> !envy | Who_
[00:07] <ubotu> Who_: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[00:08] <Who_> Mark_G: I guess I'll install it and have a look :)
[00:08] <ubuntucool123> ?
[00:08] <Who_> Because some people with similar hardware have got workin suspend with the older version but not with the latest...
[00:09] <Mark_G> Who_: it wasn't a reccommendation to use it.. it might bork your system..  better to look in synaptic. They usually have an older driver there.. Nvidia? should be there.
[00:09] <strtok> i used to be able to install hardy on this same system -- now i get an input/output errno5 error
[00:10] <Who_> Mark_G: when the nvidia-glx-new (as opposed to legacy) is selected the 'force version' option is missing
[00:10] <Mark_G> Who_: I'm not a driver expert.. mine has worked seemlessly since Breezy badger.. so I'm not sure what "force version" does or where to implementment it.
[00:11] <Who_> Mark_G: I know I have used it in the past to choose older versions of packages...
[00:11] <ryancr> I have just installed hardy but the only way I was able to was to use acpi=off and acpi=off is still required even to boot now, has anyone else come across this?
[00:12] <Who_> Mark_G: how much breakage would getting a version from gutsy cause?
[00:12] <Mark_G> unknown
[00:12] <Who_> Mark_G: any idea on whether it is sensible?
[00:13] <theone_> is it that important to have rather than wait a short bit
[00:13] <Mark_G> might work..
[00:14] <theone_> so far things seem really solid for me
[00:14] <theone_> i'm just waiting for things like libdvdcss
[00:15] <theone_> actually that is one of the only things I don't have working yet.
[00:15] <ryancr> Oh and this is just a desktop computer with a sata drive
[00:15] <Who__> theone_: Where you asking me if it is important to have?
[00:15] <ryancr> when I booted the live cd without acpi=off it would not find my hard drive
[00:15] <theone_> yeah... just wondering what it was
[00:16] <mmarker> Ok, I've hit my wits end with this one. Anyone know what is loading the nvidia.ko which is version 96.43.05, and X.org is using the "new" nvidia driver (IOW, what's autoloading the wrong module so I can kick it in the teeth)?
[00:16] <newbie> _Rambaldi_, do you know how I can know how ubuntu is naming my wireless card?
[00:16] <ubuntucool123> I have a trident video card in my old laptop. The laptop native resolution is 1024x768 but in 8.04 RC the max resolution is 800x600 for it. Anyway to fix this?
[00:16] <theone_> ubuntucool123, you might try configuring x
[00:17] <theone_> ever done that before?
[00:17] <Who__> theone_: I am trying to downgrade my nividia driver because suspend doesn't work but I have seen a bug report that says for some guy with similar hardware, similar setup 169.09 worked but 169.12 didn't (and it failed in the same way...) so I wanted to try it. I think waiting for new verions won't fix it...
[00:17] <cyclonut> I need to transfer an entire directory and subdirectories to a remote server using sftp. However, that doesnt happen when just using "put". How do I do this?
[00:17] <theone_> ah... well, if it's not your production server or something, why not try it out.
[00:17] <_Rambaldi_> iwconfig newbie
[00:17] <Who__> ubuntucool123: I had trouble with the trident driver on an _old_ laptop of mine and found using vesa to be much smoother. This was a chip with just 2mb ram...
[00:18] <Who__> theone_: yea, I guess :)
[00:18] <ubuntucool123> ok i will change the driver in xorg.conf
[00:19] <Who__> ubuntucool123: and then you can use the tool displayconfig-gtk to tell the system you have a 1024x768 monitor and set the resolution. (You could do that in xorg, too...)
[00:19] <Who__> *xorg.conf too
[00:21] <kahrytan> Anyone know how to force a time server sync?
[00:22] <crimsun> kahrytan: run ntpdate by hand.
[00:22] <kahrytan> crimsun->  no servers can be used
[00:23] <mmarker> ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[00:24] <mmarker> need a timeserver on the commandline
[00:24] <kahrytan> socket in use
[00:24] <newbie> _Rambaldi_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64050/ this is what I get when I type iwconfig. The thing is that I try to stop both cards from monitor mode, but the leds on my external cards are still blinking, do you have any suggestions?
[00:24] <jbroome> kahrytan: sudo pkill ntp
[00:25] <mmarker> hmm. ntpd is running then
[00:25] <mmarker> How off is your clock, perchance?
[00:25] <jbroome> ntpdate pool.ntp.org, or sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[00:26] <kahrytan> jbroome-> i woke up this morning with 12/hr different and i had clock applet sync set.
[00:26] <_Rambaldi_> so you have 2 cards? how come, and from the iwconfig, they are not in monitor mode. newbie
[00:29] <kahrytan> jbroome->  hows that waaaaaaay off?
[00:34] <newbie> _Rambaldi_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64051/
[00:38] <Who__> theone_: I have a reason not to try it out: I'd need to go to an older kernel... which seems pretty tedious!
[00:40] <michael> Hey everyone! I just upgraded to 8.04 rc1 and I am having compiz issues, is there anyone who wouldn't mind helping out?
[00:41] <thompa> i need to increase the speed of the curser on my touchpad
[00:42] <thompa> is there a way to increase the cursor speed?
[00:42] <thompa> pointer speed*
[00:43] <atlef> system - preferences - mouse
[00:43] <Who__> Can someone talk me through naming on the nvidia drivers packages?
[00:43] <thompa> atlef: thanks i know that one, but isnt acceleration something else?
[00:43] <manfromns> hello
[00:43] <atlef> thompa: no
[00:44] <manfromns> if i upgrade from gutsy to hardy will i lose files etc?
[00:44] <thompa> atlef: then i have a problem, because it does not move smoothly
[00:44] <Who__> specifically will nvidia-glx-new_169.09+2.6.24.9-10.28_i386.deb work if uname -r gives 2.6.24-16-generic
[00:44] <cyclonut> anyone familiar with sftp?
[00:44] <_Rambaldi_> newbie, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64053/
[00:45] <thompa> atlef: it worked fine in debian, and accelration here makes it jerk forward faster
[00:45] <kahrytan> yup yup/ Alien Arena package is broken/
[00:46] <atlef> thompa: then i don't know
[00:46] <newbie> _Rambaldi_, all right, thank you
[00:46] <_Rambaldi_> which i could be more help
[00:47] <thompa> atlef: im going to compare what debian has maybe
[00:47] <michael> are there known ati issues? after i upgraded window movement is choppy and slow
[00:47] <atlef> thompa: maybe
[00:47] <kahrytan> Where  do i report alien-arena package?
[00:48] <thompa> atlef: if i start to move touchpad a little faster it just takes off too fast , and if accelration low it moves too slow
[00:48] <thompa> its like a space coverage issue
[00:48] <atlef> thompa: search for touchpad in synaptic
[00:48] <thompa> atlef: thanks ill try that again,
[00:48] <atlef> thompa: there are some packages there
[00:51] <peter78> I'm experiencing a LOT of freezes recently in ubuntu
[00:52] <peter78> any help?
[00:53] <pen> peter78: freezes? compiz?
[00:53] <peter78> pen, I have compiz enabled but it has done it without and tbh compiz is using fck all cpu and memory
[00:54] <thompa> i cant get on the forums i get always image verification
[00:54] <thompa> google too weird
[00:54] <dny> i can't run compiz on my pos computer without it getting destroyed ;<
[00:54] <pen> peter78: what command did you use to start it?
[00:55] <peter78> to start compiz?
[00:56] <thompa> are the ubuntu forums down?
[00:57] <thompa> it keeps asking me to verify image
[00:57] <peter78> pen, start compiz or my computer?
[00:57] <_derspankster> thompa: no, the forums are not down
[00:57] <Who_> wohoo! I have suspend working with nvidia! I am not using the nvidia-glx-new but instead nvidia-glx. Simple!
[00:58] <pen> peter78: compiz
[00:58] <peter78> pen, default I think, 1 sec I'll look in sessions
[01:00] <peter78> pen, it doesn't say, I just enable it in appearance
[01:00] <thompa> _derspankster: well its asking to verify images so i can search, ive typed about a dozen so far
[01:00] <pen> peter78: ok.
[01:00] <pen> peter78: enable compiz, go to process monitor
[01:01] <pen> peter78: look up the command used by compiz
[01:01] <thompa> im trying to figure out how to install synaptic. touchpad
[01:01] <Who_> RAOF: as you seem to be the guru for these things perhaps you could mention to people in my situation that this coudl work :) THanks for your help. Is there any way I can try the 169.09 version?
[01:02] <_derspankster> thompa: the site has changed a bit but I'm having problem searching
[01:02] <thompa> _derspankster: same with google search every now and then
[01:02] <peter78> pen, compiz.real
[01:02] <thompa> says i got security issue possibly
[01:02] <pen> peter78: no other --thing?
[01:03] <peter78> pen, ?
[01:03] <thompa> _derspankster: i think it might be firefox
[01:03] <pen> peter78: there should have a "Command Line " column
[01:03] <pen> peter78: are you looking at the right column?
[01:04] <Prez00> For people in the know, what do you make of this guy's comments, I went to look at the bugs and they all seem pretty serious for average users to figure out: http://lwn.net/Articles/279111/#Comments
[01:04] <peter78> pen, no just process name, status, % cpu, nice, ID, memory
[01:05] <thompa> Prez00: ive had some tough times here, finally got wireless to work but its impossible for average user, also usb is borked
[01:05] <thompa> Prez00: basically i have to uninstall a bunch of crap and then start from scratch
[01:06] <pen> peter78: go to edit|preference
[01:06] <pen> peter78: check command line in the indormation fields
[01:06] <pen> information
[01:06] <Prez00> thompa: wow, has this been normal with other LTS releases?
[01:07] <thompa> Prez00: its same on 3 computers, so far automount is broke of usb devices
[01:07] <Prez00> I had little trouble upgrading from dapper to gutsy, it felt like good upgrade on almost all aspects
[01:07] <shane2peru> hmm, firefox3, does it use the same bookmark setup?  I moved all my bookmarks, and it didn't work.
[01:07] <_derspankster> Prez00: to be fair, personally I've had very few issues with the upgrade - for what it's worth
[01:07] <thompa> Prez00: it all worked in gutsy, kernel problem here
[01:07] <LinuxGuy1234> I'll be testing Hardy!
[01:07] <Prez00> _derspankster: good to hear..
[01:08] <kahrytan> Who said suspend worked for them?
[01:08] <Prez00> I mean, I can "fix" these issues follwoing workarounds, but average users are dead if these bugs are true..
[01:08] <kahrytan> Who_->  Consider your fortunate suspend works for you.
[01:08] <khaotik> i updated to ubuntu 8.4 last night and it messed my sound up. everything sounds likes static. can i fix this??
[01:09] <kahrytan> khaotik->  correction: 8.04
[01:09] <thompa> Prez00: i agree. walkmans wont mount anymore unless you manually edit stuff, no clue why
[01:09] <Who_> kahrytan: I have spend quite a while trying to get a solution!
[01:10] <khaotik> my bad. slip of the finger. im trying to type to fast i am in class right now
[01:10] <Who_> it is a regression in the nvidia driver
[01:10] <kahrytan> Who_->  I got a noimage error on suspend and hibernation.
[01:11] <keanu> At some point (can't say when) my flash drives stopped automounting, displaying the error "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."
[01:11] <keanu> any idea on the cause?
[01:11] <Who_> kahrytan: Have you tried the config steps from the wiki?
[01:11] <thompa> keanu: i got that too
[01:11] <Who_> (ie enabling NvAGP, etc)?
[01:11] <keanu> thompa, did you find a fix?
[01:11] <kahrytan> Who_-> bot link please
[01:12] <thompa> keanu: i had to manually edit fstab and mount etc
[01:12] <genie> Hi all I just copy all the update to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and when I run the system update in Ubuntu 8.04 again download same update from internet?! why this happened?
[01:12] <keanu> thompa, sigh =/
[01:12] <kahrytan> thompa->  did you use nautilus to set options?
[01:12] <thompa> keanu: i would wait, its same here on a couple of machines
[01:12] <keanu> thompa, ok
[01:13] <thompa> kahrytan: sorry im not sure
[01:13] <thompa> kahrytan: where are nautalis options?
[01:14] <Bryan_sierra> I have a nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1), and everytime I boot up with the nVidia drivers, my x becomes all...liney...
[01:14] <Bryan_sierra> any help?
[01:15] <thompa> kahrytan: if you mean like media handling , i tried
[01:15] <genie> restricted driver not work with me, I remove it and now display ok
[01:15] <genie> Hi all I just copy all the update to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and when I run the system update in Ubuntu 8.04 again download same update from internet?! why this happened?
[01:16] <genie> any one know why this happened?
[01:16] <kahrytan> !suspend
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <Bryan_sierra> genie, yeah. But when I go to standby, my computer doesn't return from suspend.
[01:16] <Bryan_sierra> s/standby/suspend
[01:17] <tawt> can anyone help me?  on the grub menu i have hardy for both 2.6.24-16 and 2.6.22-14.  the newest one, 2.6.24-16 won't boot into ubuntu.  how can i fix this?
[01:17] <genie> Bryan_sierra, try to install the driver from nvidia website
[01:17] <Bryan_sierra> genie, tried that too.
[01:17] <ezzieyguywuf> whats the deal with xgl in hardy heron? i've got xserver-xgl installed but I can't seem to log into an xgl session
[01:17] <Bryan_sierra> genie, even used the 'beta' one from april 10th. Same issue.
[01:17] <Bryan_sierra> also tried an older one, it was also broken.
[01:18] <genie> Bryan_sierra, sorry I don't know - ask more expert users
[01:18] <slackd00d> i installed 8.04 beta and now im upgrading the packages it wants to, but it wants to remove volumeid. is that alright?
[01:19] <genie> slackd00d, yes this happened to me too - update remove some packages
[01:20] <slackd00d> genie: but on another system after i did that my UID or whatever the partitions are called messed up
[01:20] <slackd00d> UUID
[01:21] <genie> slackd00d, sorry this not happened to me
[01:21] <Bryan_sierra> hmm
[01:22] <LinuxGuy1234> tawt: try the the 2.6.22-14 kernel
[01:23] <tawt> linuxguy1234:  that's what i'm using right now
[01:23] <tawt> linuxguy1234:  but i want to fix the suspend
[01:24] <AnswerGuy> Is there an easy way to find out if Hardy will support SystemTap (kprobes?)
[01:26]  * AnswerGuy answers his own question by trying: aptitude search systemtap .... DUH!)
[01:26] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[01:26] <Luckrider> double lol
[01:26] <Sergeant_Pony> you are the answerguy
[01:26] <Luckrider> hmm...
[01:26] <Luckrider> !SystemTap
[01:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about systemtap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <Luckrider> That usually works
[01:27] <AnswerGuy> Since the package is listed under universe/devel and doesn't list any special kernel dependencies ... I have to presume that the Hardy kernel already includes the requisite kprobes patches.
[01:28] <AnswerGuy> I'm stuck using RHEL and a little SLES at work all the time; I forget how much easier it is to get this stuff for Debian/Ubuntu
[01:28] <LWATCDR> I updated to the Release canadate and my network has stopped working. When I did the hardware test it didn't find it. Anybody got any ideas?
[01:29] <LWATCDR> I am using an NForce4 mother board.
[01:30] <thompa> im on acer aspire and suspend works
[01:31] <_derspankster> thompa: I am also on an acer aspire and suspend also works
[01:31] <thompa> the only negative is the acer_acpi really
[01:31] <_derspankster> thompa: amen to that
[01:31] <thompa> _derspankster: what model? im 5520 w nvidia
[01:32] <thompa> _derspankster: battery life is dismal but i think its the acpi
[01:32] <_derspankster> thompa: 5003 with junk SIS integrated video
[01:32] <thompa> _derspankster: whats the wirleess card?
[01:32] <AnswerGuy> LWATCDR: what happens if you manually configure the network interface from the command line (sudo or su to root and disable NetworkManager, etc)?
[01:33] <thompa> _derspankster: wireless device will tell if you have hosed acpi, there is a patch but not for 64
[01:33] <_derspankster> thompa: it's a Broadcom Airforce, hmm, can't recall the model number
[01:33] <thompa> _derspankster: earlier i had 1.30 not 1 hour it says on 64
[01:33] <thompa> _derspankster: is it internal?
[01:34] <_derspankster> thompa: wireless is internal and I'm running 32 bit on a Turion
[01:34] <thompa> _derspankster: your in good shape, atheros only works if you remove all the hardwire drivers, install build ess, make from scratch
[01:35] <thompa> _derspankster: there are lots of these, guess i should check for bugs,
[01:35] <_derspankster> thompa: wireless is acceptable, but not as good so far as Gutsy
[01:35] <thompa> _derspankster: what does lspci say about the device?
[01:36] <_derspankster> thompa: it's a BCM4318
[01:37] <thompa> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x  here
[01:37] <thompa> or 5006 or 5007 depending what kernel or distor
[01:38] <_derspankster> thompa: I struggled with it in Dapper and Feisty, got be better with Gutsy
[01:38] <thompa> _derspankster: i think its inclusion of acer_acpi, if it is..? in kernel, makes hose
[01:38] <cyclonut> hi folks, I am trying to lock down a server. I am editing /etc/passwd, and was wondering which users NEED anything besides /bin/false
[01:39] <_derspankster> thompa: not sure what you're saying
[01:39] <thompa> now i have to use a vista driver
[01:39] <suriro> I netinstalled Hardy RC on an Acer Aspire, and there's no resume= parameter in menu.lst entries. Does suspend not need it anymore?
[01:39] <rixth> Hey guys, weird issue with wireless. To save posting everything again here, please look at this bug (especially network experts!): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/220835
[01:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220835 in network-manager "network-manager does not show network list while iwlist does" [Undecided,New]
[01:40] <thompa> _derspankster: somehow the acer_acpi included somewhere, under hardware drivers you must remove all the atheros stuff first earlier alpha6 not
[01:40] <igorgue> Hi, is there a problem with the flash plugin? adobe one? it takes control of my audio, pulseaudio related?
[01:41] <thompa> _derspankster: madwifi would install with a patch, but not for ubuntu 64 so far
[01:42] <_derspankster> thompa: I tried  to disable acpi in my bios but had no option to do so
[01:42] <thompa> _derspankster:im going to just get a mini pci card for now
[01:42] <_derspankster> thompa: I take it you're running 64
[01:42] <thompa> _derspankster: yes
[01:42] <thompa> _derspankster: everything works. except the wireless
[01:42] <igorgue> anyone?
[01:43] <_derspankster> thompa: how much ram?
[01:43] <thompa> _derspankster: i tries all the other distros not even a screen usually
[01:43] <ubuntucool123> Who_: Thanks - now got right resolution with trident video dirver
[01:43] <thompa> _derspankster: usiually i have to remove the "nv" entry in xorg.conf but thats fixed
[01:43] <ripps> igorgue: do you have libflashsupport installed?
[01:44] <igorgue> ripps: wait a sec, doing updates
[01:44] <thompa> _derspankster: why dont they just make vesa default?
[01:44] <igorgue> ripps: well wait 10 mins...
[01:45] <_derspankster> thompa: I certainly prefer the nvidia on my desktop machine
[01:45] <thompa> _derspankster: this time i got a screen, havent checked the entry, then i enabled nvidia, so far faster than windows
[01:45] <thompa> _derspankster: twice as fast as vista
[01:45] <ripps> igorgue: whatever, if it's installed, remove it. It attempts to integrate flash with pulseaudio, but ends up causing problems instead.
[01:46] <igorgue> ripps: nop I didn't have it installed
[01:46] <kahrytan> thompa->  and that surprises you?
[01:46] <igorgue> ripps ??
[01:46] <igorgue> I didn't have it
[01:46] <ripps> huh...
[01:46] <_derspankster> thompa: I ran the Vista RC for a while on my windows box but didn't care for it
[01:46] <thompa> kahrytan: Im getting viruses everyday in vista
[01:47] <ripps> Do you have any other flash plugins installed, like gnash?
[01:47] <thompa> like maybe 50
[01:47] <kahrytan> thompa->  and that surprises you?
[01:47] <thompa> he he
[01:47] <_derspankster> thompa: I get no viruses on my XP box
[01:47] <_derspankster> or is it virii?
[01:47] <kahrytan> thompa->  be warn. Linux does have viruses.
[01:48] <igorgue> ripps: can I know what kind of problems does it cause?
[01:48] <igorgue> it looks like working for me
[01:48] <igorgue> it solved my problem
[01:48] <_derspankster> kahrytan: I get no viruses with Ubuntu either
[01:48] <keanu> thompa, fixed my automount problem
[01:48] <kahrytan> Can anyone help me with this error -> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/IMG_0349.jpg
[01:48] <DG19075> No viruses here either
[01:48] <thompa> keanu: how so?
[01:48] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  its out there .. they dont work though
[01:49] <ripps> igorgue: sometimes flash and gnash cause issues becuase they both try to install plugins for flash.
[01:49] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  Windows virus still could infect Ubuntu machine with WINE
[01:49] <_derspankster> kahrytan: perhaps, but my network is locked down pretty well
[01:49] <ripps> igorgue: The answer might be here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661833&highlight=gstreamer+plugins
[01:49] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  try infecting your WINE enhanced ubuntu pc.
[01:50] <keanu> thompa, unmounted and ejected the flash drive (/dev/sdb) and checked fstab - removed the line for /dev/sdb1, plugged in the flash drive, and it automounted
[01:50] <_derspankster> kahrytan: now, why would I try something like that?
[01:50] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  for laughs
[01:50] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  and time to kill.
[01:50] <_derspankster> kahrytan: I have other ways to amuse myself
[01:50] <thompa> keanu: thats easier than what i did
[01:51] <keanu> thompa, what'd you do?
[01:51] <kahrytan> _derspankster->  it'll justi infect .wine and maybe home folder.
[01:51] <_derspankster> time to walk the dog
[01:51] <thompa> keanu: still it automounted before. i mean poped up on the screen
[01:51] <igorgue> ripps: thanks :)
[01:51] <kahrytan> thompa->  what  are you doing
[01:51] <thompa> keanu: i added it to fstab, copied file from 64
[01:52] <keanu> thompa, for me, it wouldn't automount, showing that error i mentioned a while back
[01:52] <ripps> no prob, hope it works
[01:52] <kahrytan> keanu->  Fstab howto -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[01:53] <keanu> kahrytan, I had just removed the line referencing /dev/sdb1 from my fstab and it worked - thanks though
[01:53] <kahrytan> thompa->  you too,  Fstab howto -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[01:53] <thompa> keanu: walkman is same, is that flash?
[01:54] <keanu> thompa, ?
[01:54] <thompa> kahrytan: i know how to do that
[01:54] <ubuntucool123> will you be able to easily upgrade ubuntu 8.04 RC to ubuntu 8.04 final?
[01:54] <kahrytan> keanu->  use UUID.
[01:54] <keanu> kahrytan, what do you mean?
[01:54] <thompa> my point is only that it no lounger automounts
[01:54] <ripps> ubuntucool123: RC becomes Final just through usual updates
[01:55] <LWATCDR> Sorry AnswerGuy. I have not tried to do it manually. Yet. I just tired updateing the BIOS so I was away at the other computer. I did try modprobe nforcedeth and that didn't work
[01:55] <ubuntucool123> ripps: ok thanks
[01:55] <keanu> i already fixed the issue i had
[01:55] <thompa> keanu: also i have to edit fstab on every computer i guess
[01:55] <kahrytan> ubuntucool123->  Ubuntu 8.04 oh-so silently updates to FINAL.  All you gotta do is keep the Rc updated.
[01:56] <ubuntucool123> ok
[01:56] <keanu> thompa, I'm not sure - I'm only saying what worked for me ;)
[01:56] <thompa> keanu: my problem was walkman no longer automouts, it does in ubuntu 64 though
[01:57] <keanu> thompa, ah
[01:57] <thompa> keanu: on 3 computers
[01:57] <kahrytan> thompa->  sony walkman?
[01:57] <thompa> yes
[01:57] <keanu> thompa, i'm not exactly sure how automounting works, so i won't be the person to ask
[01:57] <keanu> *wouldn't
[01:57] <thompa> new one i think
[01:58] <thompa> on my 64 heron acer it opens in window says walkman very nice
[01:58] <kahrytan> eww ..amazon link..
[01:58] <kahrytan> thompa->  Seen the Sansa Fuze?
[01:58] <thompa> just drag and drop, not on the computers running 386
[01:58] <thompa> so is that a kernel issue?
[01:59] <thompa> kahrytan: im getting a eee anyway
[02:00] <thompa> soon as tax comes in,
[02:00] <kahrytan> thompa->  9" one?
[02:00] <keanu> kahrytan, heard about the fuze ;)
[02:00] <thompa> ya
[02:00] <kahrytan> keanu->  Yeah 2gb for $80 w/ microsd/sdhc.
[02:00] <thompa> walkman sounds best
[02:00] <kahrytan> keanu->  and microsdhc is 8gb
[02:00] <keanu> kahrytan, sounds like my e250 ;)
[02:01] <keanu> microsdhc is also 4GB
[02:01] <michael> 8.04 is SO SLOW, ! gah!
[02:01] <kahrytan> keanu->  except no microsdhc
[02:01] <thompa> i wonder if it will run linux these things, my ipod does
[02:01] <keanu> kahrytan, yeah it does
[02:01] <kahrytan> michael->  take it back.
[02:01] <keanu> well, with rockbox it does
[02:01] <kahrytan> rockbox .. bah.. ugly display
[02:01] <michael> kahrytan: ha yeah. something must have gone wrong with my upgrade
[02:01] <thompa> playstation
[02:01] <keanu> kahrytan, it's getting better ;)
[02:02] <kahrytan> keanu->  Ipodlinux is coming to sansa though
[02:02] <ethana2> michael: i never trust those update scripts much
[02:02] <keanu> kahrytan, it's already there, but there's quite a few bugs
[02:02] <ethana2> michael: i accumulate workarounds and hacks, so I prefer clean installs
[02:02]  * keanu can't get past initializing mpd =/
[02:02] <kahrytan> michael->  I have never upgraded ubuntu.
[02:03] <kahrytan> keanu->  Sansa e200 works in Rhythm or Banshee i believe?
[02:03] <michael> ethana2: yeah, looks like i'm going to have to do a clean install... first of all it took like 5 hours to download, possibly because of huge traffic, then it's running like crap... something must have been missed, oh well..
[02:03] <kahrytan> or was or amarok
[02:04] <michael> kahrytan: always clean installs huh?
[02:04] <kahrytan> michael->  aye
[02:04] <keanu> kahrytan, IIRC - i'd have to check
[02:04] <keanu> it's msc, so it should
[02:04] <kahrytan> keanu-> MTP mode like WMP
[02:05] <keanu> kahrytan, and MSC
[02:05] <kahrytan> MSC ,. mount like flash but i remember something about mtp mode too
[02:05] <keanu> it supports both
[02:05] <kahrytan> i prefer msc.
[02:06] <keanu> same
[02:06] <kahrytan> keanu->  dont install Alien Arena in repos.
[02:07]  * keanu had to check to see what Alien Arena was =/
[02:08] <caligarn1037> ﻿hi folks, i've been getting a problem with hardy lately....when i do "sudo apt-get update" i'll eventually get this message: "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://vn.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>", how do i fix th
[02:09] <kahrytan> keanu->  a game thats broken in hardy
[02:09] <keanu> kahrytan, how's it broken?
[02:09] <kahrytan> keanu->  ditto in gutsy now
[02:09] <kahrytan> keanu->  Game crashes after 2nd map finishes
[02:09] <keanu> heh
[02:10]  * keanu wonders if it's related to the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio/-alsa issue i was complaining about last week
[02:10] <kahrytan> no
[02:10] <kahrytan> It crashes in Gutsy too
[02:13] <Iced_Eagle> Do you need a burned CD for Wubi? Or is mounting the disc in windows via Daemon Tools just fine?
[02:14] <kahrytan> keanu->  did you like ubuntu docs update today?
[02:14] <Zackymc_k> So I upgraded to hardy and now i have nvidea problems. help?
[02:14] <ShackJack> Anyone been having any issues with latest Firefox 3? I'm getting a lot of IOWait in the system monitor and it occassionally is locking up...
[02:14] <keanu> kahrytan, hmm?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> ok... does anyone here have an ATI card running fglrx drivers that can test something for me?
[02:14] <_derspankster> Shackjack: can you get to www.dslreports.com?
[02:14] <kahrytan> keanu-> ubuntu-docs updated today
[02:15] <keanu> kahrytan, heh, didn't notice
[02:15] <jedipottsy> hey
[02:15] <kahrytan> keanu->  that thing takes forever to update
[02:15] <ShackJack> _derspankster: I think so, but it's not a connection issue...
[02:15] <ezzieyguywuf> ﻿whats the deal with xgl in hardy heron? i've got xserver-xgl installed but I can't seem to log into an xgl session
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: what do you need that for?
[02:15] <jedipottsy> can someone help compiling the 8.4 catalyst drivers in X64?
[02:15] <ezzieyguywuf> for compiz
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: what card do you have>
[02:16] <ezzieyguywuf> ati firegl v5200
[02:16] <ShackJack> _derspankster: I'm on dslreports - what am I looking for?
[02:16] <keanu> kahrytan, i just have gutsy set up to download any updates ahead of time so when i get home they're all ready to be installed
[02:16] <TooEZ> _derspankster: yep got to dslreports no problemo from Oz
[02:16] <_derspankster> Shackjack: just curious, I can't
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: do the fglrx drivers work with that?
[02:16] <jedipottsy> everything goes fine untill i try to pkgmake
[02:17] <ShackJack> SO anyone having Firefox issues with IOWait? (stalling, etc...)
[02:17] <kahrytan> Extreme Tux Racer doesnt work for me
[02:17] <NukeSkyjumper> since an update a few days ago, all drop-down windows in firefox get matched by compiz and animated
[02:17] <jedipottsy> it says dpkg-shlibdeps: warning symbol XauFileName used by debian/xorg-driver-fglrx/usr/sbin/atieventsd found in none of the libraries
[02:17] <NukeSkyjumper> anyone know whether or not this is just a firefox issue?
[02:18] <ezzieyguywuf> nosrednaikim: yes I think so. I've got the restricted drivers installed but can't seem to enable compiz. When I had this problem in Gutsy it was because i did not have xserver-xgl installed, so (in gutsy) I installed it then was told that I wouldn't have to log into it or anything cuz ubuntu would do it automatically. I dunno what the deal is in heron though...
[02:18] <RAOF> NukeSkyjumper: Yes, it's a firefox issue.  They don't give the right type to their popup windows.
[02:18] <kahrytan> Something is seriously wrong with Hardy and how it allows apps to change resolution .. it doesnt
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: well, #1, you no longer need xgl...... try running "compiz --replace" from the command line and seeing what errors it spits out
[02:18] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: Same deal in Hardy; what's your actual problem?
[02:19] <NukeSkyjumper> RAOF: figured that. do you have a workaround?
[02:19] <RAOF> NukeSkyjumper: No, not really.  You can remove the window type from the Animation match in compizconfig settings, though.
[02:19] <ezzieyguywuf> nosrednaekim : "/usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found"
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: you don't seem to have it installed :)
[02:20] <ezzieyguywuf> seems to be my problem :-D but i checked synaptic and compiz is installed
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> try running "sudo apt-get install compiz"
[02:20] <jedipottsy> how do i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[02:20] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : my current problem is that I do not see an option for loging in to XGL and heron did not say anything about it when I installed it
[02:20] <shane2peru> does anyone know how to download from the repos without locking the install package
[02:20] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: It's the same as in Gutsy; you automatically login to the Xgl session.
[02:21] <shane2peru> example:  sudo aptitude download packagename  = locks install thing
[02:21] <ezzieyguywuf> nosrednaekim : says that compiz is already the newest version
[02:21] <RAOF> shane2peru: How about 'aptitude download packagename'?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ezzieyguywuf: try "apt-get install compiz-core"
[02:21] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : then I can't seem to figure out why I can't enable compiz crom system>>preferences>>appearence
[02:21] <shane2peru> RAOF: yeah, that locks the database
[02:22] <RAOF> shane2peru: I don't see how, it doesn't have the priviledges.
[02:22] <ezzieyguywuf> nosrednaekim : says that compiz-core is also the newest version
[02:22] <shane2peru> RAOF: nor sure, perhaps something else has the database locked any way to know what is locking it?
[02:22] <michael> kahrytan: figured out why it was so SLOW
[02:22] <kahrytan> michael->  the cpu?
[02:23] <RAOF> nosrednaekim, ezzieyguywuf: That error means that you've probably messed around with /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager
[02:23] <michael> kahrytan: haha no.. the menu.lst file still had the 2.22-14 kernel..
[02:23] <kahrytan> michael->  thats as easy as update-grub aint it?
[02:23] <michael> kahrytan: updated the listing, restarted and it's quick again..
[02:24] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : I don't think I have (in heron). In gutsy I installed compiz and might have messed with that, but then removed it b/c I could not suspend and resume with fglrx. I'm hoping to test whether or not suspend works now, and although FGLRX is installed I wanna go ahead and get compiz workin before I test suspend (thats pretty silly isn't it?)
[02:24] <michael> kahrytan: i suppose if i knew the command!
[02:24] <kahrytan> michael-> sudo update-grub ?
[02:25] <michael> kahrytan: i edited the menu.lst in gedit.
[02:25] <kahrytan> michael->  yeah but update-grub takes 10secs
[02:25] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: We don't touch anything in /etc on upgrades or package removal.  Can you pastebin your /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager file, please?
[02:25] <kahrytan> or less
[02:25] <michael> kahrytan: i'll know for next time! but that was my issue after the upgrade to 8.04 rc1,
[02:26] <kahrytan> michael-> RC.
[02:26] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : sure, but I don't know what a pastbin is :-D
[02:26] <Zackymc_k> Can anyone help with this..... I turn on the computer and i chose ubuntu at start up, then login and then enable restricted driver for the nvidia then restart. then i boot up again but this time after the boot splash i get this flashing this 4 times... http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/WEBPOTOS/photo?authkey=Wuz3FCnP2PM#5192244903587481794   and then it goes into safe graphics mode then the driver dosent have a check mark next to it even after
[02:26] <Zackymc_k> i checked it. i have searched and searched but it just keeps doing this
[02:26] <kahrytan> michael->  I seem to be having problems with games and fullscreen modes
[02:27] <RAOF> !pastebin | ezzieyguywuf
[02:27] <ubotu> ezzieyguywuf: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:28] <kahrytan> michael-> ET (wolfstein) and Extreme Tux Racer both give monitor errors of Out of Range (resolution)
[02:28] <michael> kahrytan: err... don't know what to tell you, i don't play many games on
[02:28] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  ive heard of others with similer issues with ET. and specific modes
[02:28] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  yeah but its not limited to ET.
[02:29] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  play them in a different mode/res is about the only fix so far.
[02:29] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : I have the following files in /etc/xdg/compiz - compiz-manager.dpkg-dist  compiz-manager.ubuntu  compiz-manager.ubuntu.dpkg-new
[02:29] <Dr_willis> since it seems to be a driver issue.
[02:29] <shane2peru> ahh, aptitude download package downloads them to whatever folder I'm in
[02:29] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : which one would you like me to pastebin
[02:29] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  yeah ... Out of Range -- makes it hard to change those settings.
[02:29] <shane2peru> if i switch to /var/apt/cache/archives/ I don't have permission to download there!
[02:29] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: Heh.  None of them; that's why your compiz is broken :)
[02:30] <shane2peru> if i use sudo aptitude, it locks the database!  can't win!
[02:30] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  ET has command line options to enable windowwed mode so you can change them. or you can edit the proper config to enable a different mode.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  or you can type blindly ~ for the console, then use the proper +seta command
[02:30] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  yeah ... Out of Range -- makes it hard to change those settings.
[02:30] <RAOF> shane2peru: Oh, you want to download to the cache without locking?  Hm...
[02:30] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> Did i mention its not constrained to just ET?
[02:30] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : hehe so what should I do? reinstall compiz?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i dident say it was only ET. :)
[02:30] <rixth> I hav no sound in Flash. How do I fix this?
[02:31] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: I'd suggest copying compiz-manager.ubuntu to compiz-manager
[02:31] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: I believe that should work.
[02:31] <ripps> rixth: do you have libflashsupport installed?
[02:31] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  so it's a bigger problem
[02:31] <Dr_willis> ET on this box cant even get sound for me.
[02:31] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : ok will give that a try
[02:31] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i said it was most likely a driver problem for the video card.
[02:31] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: Actually, matke it compiz-manager.ubuntu.dpkg-new
[02:31] <shane2peru> RAOF: right, I already started downloading most of it, so I just want to continue working on that in background while installing a few other debs I downloaded, skype, picasa etc.
[02:31] <rixth> ripps, nope, just got it then, will test now
[02:31] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i could not repeate the issue here on my 8800gtsxxx however for a guy last week.
[02:31] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> nv issue? bloody likely.
[02:31] <kahrytan> not
[02:32] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  or did it change from gutsy?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> You think the nv drivers are perfect?   Heh...
[02:32] <_Rambaldi_> is there a netstumbler alternatives for ubuntu
[02:32] <rixth> ripps, now just a segfault when I try to look at youtube...
[02:32] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  what nv drivers do gutsy and hardy use?
[02:32] <jbroome> kismet
[02:32] <shane2peru> RAOF: I will just move them to a new folder on my /home partition, and then aptitude download, then mv them back.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> could be some odd xorg quirk.  Check the bug reports/forums see who eise is gettting affected.
[02:32] <RAOF> shane2peru: Yeah, that could fly.
[02:32] <rixth> ripps, restarted and it's OK. Also though, I have no sound throguh wine.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  not noticed. check the package manager.  ubuntu tends to be a little behind in nv driver versions
[02:33] <ripps> rixth: try reinstalling flash -> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree gnash gnash-common && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:33] <rixth> I see this in the terminal: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[02:33] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : i think that worked thanks
[02:34] <Zackymc_k> any help?
[02:34] <ripps> rixth: I don't know what's going on with Alsa, try posting in the forums, or wait to see if someone else here can help you
[02:34] <rixth> Alright
[02:35] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Extreme Tux Racer is unplayable due to the bug
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Wesnoth works here.. thats all i play. :)
[02:35] <strtok> can someone recommend a cheap PCI-E card for a workstation that definitely will work under hardy heron?
[02:35] <strtok> i've had issues with ATI HD 2400 and geforce 6200 LE so far
[02:36] <kahrytan> Dr_willis-> tried that .. hated it
[02:36] <RAOF> strtok: Ideally there'd be an intel card that I could recommend, but there isn't.
[02:36] <RAOF> strtok: But both of those cards you name _
[02:36] <jedipottsy> hey can someone help setup fglrx for AMD64?
[02:36] <strtok> RAOF: neither of them work
[02:36] <Dr_willis> strtok,  my 6800 worked great. But with the varity of cards out..  -  Most of the nvidia cards should work fine.
[02:36] <telexicon> what on earth happened to firefox?
[02:37] <RAOF> strtok: _should_ work alright with the restricted drivers, as installed by System->Administration->Hardware Drivers
[02:37] <strtok> i get a INVALID MEM ALLOCATION error with the nvidia card
[02:37] <telexicon> now it thrashes my hard drive
[02:37] <strtok> RAOF: i did that
[02:37] <strtok> RAOF: with both
[02:37] <strtok> "Cannot find replacement memory range"
[02:37] <Dr_willis> my 8800gtsxxx works under hardy. and the 5500 i got works.. and my 6800 works.
[02:37] <RAOF> strtok: That's a new and interesting failure-mode.
[02:37] <Dr_willis> I agree.. thats a weird error...
[02:38] <Dr_willis> i wonder if its not somthing to do with bios/memory/settings
[02:38] <ezzieyguywuf> update: i got compiz working, with fglrx, and have just resumed from suspend without any problems. I haven't tried it consecutively yet, but seems to be working fine! there are some graphic "hiccups" such as firefox fonts being huge and scrolling in firefox being a bit latent.
[02:38] <strtok> yeah, i couldn't find anything in the bios about dealing with PCI-E memory
[02:38] <ripps> Jedipottsy: my one stop solution for most of my fglrx problems is to use EnvyNG. Google it and follow the EnvyNG guide.
[02:39] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: I'd suggest trying it without Xgl - you don't need it, and it may make things slower.  Or faster, it's difficult to tell :)
[02:39] <ezzieyguywuf> RAOF : ok i'll just apt-get remove it then?
[02:39] <Monobi> Any apps to increase the size of a wubi partition ?
[02:39] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  im gonna try open arena
[02:40] <Dr_willis> !wubi
[02:40] <ubotu> wubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)
[02:40] <ripps> Compiz should only be used when your trying to impress linux naysayers. Best to leave it off any other time.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. no official #ubuntu-wubi channel yet?
[02:40] <ezzieyguywuf> ripps : why is that?
[02:40] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: Indeed, should work.
[02:40] <strtok> sounds like it might be a dell bios issue
[02:40] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  I bet I know the problem
[02:40] <strtok> in re: to the nvidia problem
[02:40] <ripps> Slow, buggy, and basically just a waste of system resources
[02:40] <RAOF> ezzieyguywuf: You could also create a file in ~/.config/xserver-xgl called `disable`, too.
[02:41] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  its the 800x600 resolution.
[02:41] <jedipottsy> ripps: 1.1.1 latest?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  that was the mode the other guys was ghaving issues with also.
[02:41] <RAOF> ripps: Or, alternatively, a wonderful way to make a better window manager than metacity of course :)
[02:41] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  other modes worked for him
[02:41] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  its big problem et cuz it defaults to it.
[02:41] <ezzieyguywuf> i dunno, i think compiz is nifty enough to leave on all the time.
[02:42] <RAOF> ripps: And, unfortunately, expose a bunch of driver limitations.  But it's not inherently slow, buggy, or resource intensive.
[02:42] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  wichis weird..because on MY machine it does not default to 800x600 - it defaulted to 1024x768
[02:42] <ezzieyguywuf> its actually the reason i switched to linux a year ago, even though i've found plenty of better reasons to keep it
[02:42] <Helvasca-> hey
[02:42] <kahrytan> dr-w for what
[02:42] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->
[02:42] <Fritzel> what's the proper way to restart sound?
[02:43] <ripps> jedipottsy: EnvyNG Guide -> http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[02:43] <Helvasca-> Just ran latest update now Hal is failing ot initialize, I've tried to run dpkg --configure -a and its not working either!
[02:43] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  i just set et to 800x600 here. and it works in that mode for me.
[02:43] <ripps> RAOF: Your probably right, it's not Compiz's fault, just the crappy video drivers
[02:43] <Helvasca-> any ideas?
[02:43] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  not for me
[02:44] <ripps> Helvasca: Do you have a TV Tuner?
[02:44] <Helvasca-> nope
[02:44] <RAOF> ripps: As I said 6 months ago, in 6 months time linux video drivers will be so much better :)
[02:44] <Helvasca-> though me-tv is installed...
[02:44] <Helvasca-> I did try and set up one a while ago though../
[02:44] <ripps> RAOF: I'll try Compiz again then
[02:44] <ezzieyguywuf> is it best to do a clean install or is an upgrade from gutsy as good? I usually feel best doin a clean install cuz it will erase any files I may have messed with in previous versions (like that compiz thing). does it make a huge difference?
[02:45] <dryeyes> strtok: was that my problem u were talking about?
[02:45] <ripps> hold on guys, brb
[02:45] <dryeyes> zackmc_k s problem strtok
[02:46] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  I justused config files and set it to 1024/768
[02:46] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  fine .. until et decides toreset it.
[02:46] <jedipottsy> is there anyway to install kde4 but not have the apps show up in the gnome-menu ?
[02:47] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  Do you know why hwinfo says it doesnt support 1440x900?
[02:47] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  driver or video card issue?
[02:47] <RAOF> ripps: The drivers are still pretty crap (but better than 6 monts ago).  But hopefully the next 6 months will bring a gallium3d, TTM'd DRI2 intel driver (at least), which will be awesome (and eliminate basically all the bugs exposed by compiz).
[02:47] <Dr_willis> what hwinfo? Im not using gnome. So i may not have that.
[02:47] <asdrubal> jedipottsy yeah go in there and delete them
[02:48] <jedipottsy> without having to manually delete them... ie not put them there in the first place?
[02:48] <crimsun> Fritzel: first, you shouldn't need to "restart sound"
[02:48] <crimsun> Fritzel: second, what are you really attempting?
[02:48] <ezzieyguywuf> i'm having a hard time streaming music from amazon (the sample songs from cds). it just keeps loading and never plays anything. any help?
[02:48] <asdrubal> jedipottsy find where they're located before installing kde, back them up, install kde, replace with old gnome versions.
[02:49] <crimsun> ezzieyguywuf: is libflashsupport installed?
[02:49] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  The system thinks 1440x900 isnt support
[02:49] <Who__> RAOF: I have suspend working with the old nvidia drivers :D
[02:49] <Who__> so I get Compiz+suspend
[02:50] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  that game dosent show any widescreen modes here
[02:50] <ezzieyguywuf> crimsun : installing it now. lemme restart firefox and see what happens
[02:50] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  yeah supposed to according to gentoo wiki
[02:50] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  given how old the game is.. im suprised it works at all. :)
[02:51] <jgoo> Was logged in, did switch user, then locked the screen when I logged in as the second user. When I came back this morning, I unlocked the screen, fine. I clicked logout, and the screen went black... couldn't pull up a terminal (ctrlaltf1) and numlock wasn't responding... I tried ctrl-alt-f2 login, sudo shutdown -h now, but nothing was working. waited 10 minutes.
[02:51] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  hey .. they made Quake Wars Linux compatible because of it
[02:51] <ezzieyguywuf> libflashsupport didn't seem to help  but I think it may have something to do with the fact that I have mplayer setup to stream right now (I think. I blindly followed a howto a few days ago)
[02:51] <jgoo> 8.04 beta from 3 days ago. logging out of second logged in user... what might have caused a lockup like that?
[02:52] <crimsun> ezzieyguywuf: is mplayer configured to use pulse?
[02:52] <Who__> Does anyone know if things like 'two fingers on touchpad and click button 1" --> button can be done? I have     Option         "TapButton2" "3" which works for tapping but not pressing buttons. I also have    Option         "TwoFingerButton1" "3" but that doesn't seem to do anything
[02:52] <crimsun> ezzieyguywuf: (presuming you're using pulseaudio by default)
[02:52] <jgoo> kahrytan: can you play action quake 2 on linux? :-)
[02:52] <Who__> jgoo: did you get Krita going?
[02:52] <rsk> jgoo: you can player every ID game on linux.
[02:52] <jgoo> Who__: nope :'( you?
[02:52] <ripps> mplayer is configured to use alsa by default, but it has plugins for every sound system including pulse. (I personally prefer OSS)
[02:52] <rsk> jgoo: from QW to ET:QW :)
[02:53] <Fritzel> crimsun, sorry for the delay, I was attempting to resolve an issue with sound not working in certain circumstances, and tracked it down to an 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' I did the other day, however 'asoundconf unset-pulseaudio' resolved the problem, so I'm good now
[02:53] <ezzieyguywuf> crimsun : I don't know, and i'm not sure how to check that
[02:53] <jgoo> rsk: cool. Of course, aq2 is the only one you'd *want* to play ;-)
[02:53] <Who__> jgoo: yea - 'out of the box' - so as to speak ...
[02:53] <rsk> aq2 is too slow
[02:53] <kahrytan> rsk->  splashgames made quake wars.
[02:53] <Fritzel> crimsun, regardless of needing to restart sound or not I'd still like to know how to do it if you happen to know
[02:53] <saltedlight> i need a script to run some command lines and to cach the output of those commands on files with diferent names... anyone can give me some hints about this?
[02:53] <Zackymc_k> Can anyone help with this..... I turn on the computer and i chose ubuntu at start up, then login and then enable restricted driver for the nvidia then restart. then i boot up again but this time after the boot splash i get this flashing this 4 times... http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/WEBPOTOS/photo?authkey=Wuz3FCnP2PM#5192244903587481794   and then it goes into safe graphics mode then the driver dosent have a check mark next to it even after
[02:53] <Zackymc_k> i checked it. i have searched and searched but it just keeps doing this every time i restart
[02:54] <jgoo> Hrm. Perhaps the package was confused, and is cached - how can I see if the Krita install package is cached... so I can clear it and try again?
[02:54] <ezzieyguywuf> saltedlight : I think 'echo' might help :-D but i'm not that sure
[02:54] <Dr_willis> saltedlight,  thats rather fundamental bash stuff. check the advanced bash scripting guide for examples. is a good place to start.
[02:54] <Dr_willis> command > command1.txt
[02:54] <Iced_Eagle> Can you use Daemon Tools to install Ubuntu via Wubi?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> command2 > c2.txt
[02:54]  * mneptok directs Dr_willis' output to 1932
[02:55] <Fritzel> crimsun, except now it seems it's blocked my X sound when it enabled the World of warcraft sound :/
[02:55] <Dr_willis> Iced_Eagle,  thats a scary idea.. :) ive heard it dident work for one guy.
[02:55] <rsk> echinos_: no
[02:55] <Iced_Eagle> I just don't want to burn a CD, but I suppose I will to avoid any problems!
[02:55] <Iced_Eagle> Thanks
[02:55] <rsk> Iced_Eagle: why would you want do do that?
[02:55] <jgoo> Who__: Last time I used Krita, there was a problem with ctrl-a, ctrl-c and pasting into another document... the bounds weren't being calculated properly... I forget exactly what... hope it is fixed (I would love to devote time to Krita development... it is the Firefox of linux apps that, in 18 months... I hope... will rival photoshops limited capabilities)
[02:55] <rsk> Iced_Eagle: wubi dosen't require a cd. there's a web installer
[02:55] <Dr_willis> Iced_Eagle,  I dont suggest using wubi at all. :)  hteres ways to install ubuntu without burning a cd.
[02:56] <rsk> yea wubi is slower than an actuall install. =)
[02:56] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  should i report extreme tux race issue?
[02:56] <Optimus55> does anyone know if this has been fixed in hardy yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug59695
[02:56] <Iced_Eagle> I don't want to repartition or do anything like that, I just want to play with it
[02:56] <Iced_Eagle> I'm doing a repartition later this week
[02:56] <Who__> jgoo: Did you try just removing all the krita configs (renaming the folder) and then starting again?
[02:56] <jgoo> I am really quite annoyed, the whole reason I locked the machine was I had 10 windows and terminals open with my 'plan' for development this morning. *tear*
[02:56] <Dr_willis> kahrytan,  may as well.. :)
[02:56] <jgoo> Who__: I uninstalled immediately after install... it says no file or folder. I'll check again
[02:57] <kahrytan> Dr_willis->  i did a wiki such on the site .. couldnt find anything to windowed mode or change
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Iced_Eagle,  ive set up usb thumb drives to run ubuntu also. check pendrivelinux website for info on that.
[02:57] <ezzieyguywuf> do avant-window-manager and compiz work ok together?
[02:57] <Dr_willis> awm requires compiz I though.. so they better work together. :)
[02:57] <RAOF> Who__: Awesome.
[02:57] <Who__> jgoo: there will be files in a .kde folder in your homedir
[02:57] <shane2peru> ahh, aptitude download, only downloads the package not dependencies unless you use sudo, which locks the database. lol
[02:57] <Dr_willis> well awm requires a compositing window manager.. (i think i read that on the awm site)
[02:57] <Iced_Eagle> Well I assume doing a Wubi install is faster than running it via Thumb Drive?
[02:57] <ezzieyguywuf> Dr_willis : haha ok thanks
[02:58] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Awn requires a compositing manager.  Like Compiz.  Or Kwin.  Or Metacity.  Or XFCE.  Or xcompmgr :)
[02:58] <Dr_willis> Iced_Eagle,  depends I guess. :) i avoide WUBI like would avoide the Plague. :)
[02:58] <Who__> RAOF: what's more, the nvidia people have been very responsive (3 emails since yesterday) and they think it is fixed in new beta drivers...
[02:58] <jgoo> .kde: No such file or directory, .krita the same... so looks clean
[02:58] <jgoo> since I never ran Krita...
[02:58] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  so normal metacity will work.. cool.
[02:58] <RAOF> Who__: That's pretty cool.  I've never reported a bug that hadn't already been reported before.
[02:58] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Yes.  As long as you turn on the 'composite_manager' gconf key :)
[02:58] <Iced_Eagle> hmm, dunno. Guess it's just difference of opinion. I did a Wubi install a few weeks ago, worked out great! Now I'm just about to try kubuntu to see which DE I prefer
[02:59] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  thers a xorg.conf setting also i was thinking...
[02:59] <Who__> RAOF: I think it _had_ been reported, but I was impressed by the fast feedback
[02:59] <Iced_Eagle> but I just decided to burn the CD so it all works out :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Dr_willis: No.  Nothing in xorg.corf.
[02:59] <Dr_willis> Iced_Eagle,  you can just install the kubuntu-desktop package and have both on the same install.
[02:59] <shane2peru> Iced_Eagle: Kubuntu requires a little more machine than Gnome
[02:59] <Zackymc_k> is this not the right channel for my problem
[02:59] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Oh, unless you've specifically _disabled_ the Composite extension, of course.  Then you'll need to remove that :)
[03:00] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  i was thinking there was a 'composite' option .. :)  it need to be enabled i recall.
[03:00] <jgoo> So, what is is called when the screen blanks, and numlock stops responding... and what steps except doorbelling the machine can i try? The elephant song?
[03:00] <shane2peru> Iced_Eagle: however the KDE4 is really pretty neat looking, just a matter of getting used to it.
[03:00] <RAOF> Dr_willis: No, only not disabled :)
[03:00] <ezzieyguywuf> wow avant is prety nifty. Is it just the little toolbar at the bottom of the screen? and am i petty for being so simply impressed? :-D
[03:00] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  i recall for some reason it being disabled by default on one of my installs.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> ezzieyguywuf,  yes.. on all counts.. :)
[03:00] <RAOF> Dr_willis: Maybe with old fglrx drivers?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> RAOF,  proberly :) with my x200m laptop
[03:00] <jgoo> avant, that was the thing I was trying to remember. hrm. ok I want to install that
[03:01] <remu> hey everyone, I have a really weird problem
[03:01] <ezzieyguywuf> is there any way to add the desktop changer to avant?
[03:01]  * Prez00 uses avant, very nice...
[03:01] <saltedlight> Dr_willis, thanks :)
[03:01] <remu> when I try to go to ubuntuguide.org, it starts to load the page, and then restarts my X
[03:01] <shane2peru> remu: what's the wierd problem
[03:01] <remu> i just did a fresh install and noticed this problem
[03:02] <shane2peru> fresh install of 8.04? remu
[03:02] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks, good morning
[03:02] <remu> yup
[03:02] <remu> 8.04 rc amd64
[03:02] <Iced_Eagle> shane2peru: I have an Intel Centrino Duo @ 2.2ghz, 2 gigs RAM, and a 256mb Nvidia 8600m... I think I should be fine :)
[03:02] <Iced_Eagle> or rather, I hope I would be fine!
[03:02] <shane2peru> desktop?
[03:02] <Iced_Eagle> laptop
[03:02] <ripps> remu: have you run update-manager yet?
[03:02] <Zackymc_k> I have a frustrating problem...
[03:02] <shane2peru> Iced_Eagle: yeah, you will be fine, I just like Gnome it runs a tad quicker.
[03:02] <remu> yes i have
[03:03] <chrisf826> i have been running hardy since a couple weeks ago
[03:03] <remu> and i got all of the updates on there
[03:03] <Iced_Eagle> yea we'll see :) I just want to get a good opinion for myself rather than read other peoples opinions
[03:03] <chrisf826> and it has been easy doing a binary only upgrade from beta to RC
[03:03] <shane2peru> Iced_Eagle: no doubt, KDE4 does look nice, just a matter of getting used to using KDE, I couldn't adjust, been using Gnome too long
[03:03] <mneptok> remu: how does Epiphany react?
[03:04] <chrisf826> shane2peru: : i like kde3 a bit better still
[03:04] <Iced_Eagle> I may be in luck :) I only used Gnome for about a week or so
[03:04] <jgoo> avant: 3d turn is a cute effect, but squish... who can't love squish... this morning isn't very productive... I needed those windows to guide me!
[03:04] <chrisf826> its gonna take me getting used to
[03:04] <chrisf826> for kde4
[03:04] <remu> whats the command for epiphany?
[03:04] <shane2peru> remu: I'm still with ya
[03:04] <jgoo> Zackymc_k: I have some spam emails that might help you, shall I FW: ?
[03:04] <mneptok> remu: sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser
[03:05] <shane2peru> chrisf826: yeah, I just thought KDE4 was pretty neat with the extras, only used it a few days.
[03:05] <Zackymc_k> spam? do i want them?
[03:05] <ripps> remu: sudo apt-get install epiphany && epiphany
[03:05] <remu> ah, thats right, i forgot it doesnt come preinstalled
[03:05] <Pici> its epiphany-browser
[03:05] <mneptok> ripps: you'll want to "apt-cache show" before assuming package names ;)
[03:05] <chrisf826> shane2peru: its amazing how the whole KDe4 gui uses on;ly 73 mb of ram
[03:05] <shane2peru> Iced_Eagle: yeah, only a few weeks, you can easily adjust to KDE then.
[03:05] <chrisf826> and windows with the same effects uses over a gb
[03:05] <chrisf826> :P
[03:06] <ripps> woops, my mistake
[03:06] <chrisf826> its mind boggling
[03:06] <remu> whats the diff between aptitude and apt-get? lol, sorry for the side question
[03:06] <shane2peru> chrisf826: to be honest I just checked it out to see kde4
[03:06] <chrisf826> remu: aptitude is a pretty text menu based program for apt
[03:06] <mneptok> remu: ncurses and some dependency solving
[03:06] <Zackymc_k> jgoo: Spam? do I real want them?
[03:06] <jgoo> nah
[03:06] <jgoo> depends on how frustrating your problem is...
[03:06] <shane2peru> remu: aptitude is a little more comprehensive in solving dependencies.
[03:07]  * jgoo has to start work now *breaths*
[03:07] <shane2peru> apt-get should be fine remu
[03:07] <remu> oh okay
[03:07] <remu> i just normally use aptitude, cause i was told it was better
[03:07] <remu> just curious as to what the difference was
[03:07] <mneptok> remu: apt-get is preferable. it gets more attention from the distro team.
[03:07] <shane2peru> remu: I do the same, :)
[03:07] <remu> aha
[03:07] <chrisf826> shane: i ended up hacking dpkg's diversions file
[03:07] <Zackymc_k> jgoo: do you know how to fix it?
[03:08] <shane2peru> mneptok: really?  I'm surprised!
[03:08] <chrisf826> and forcing a deletion hehe
[03:08] <ripps> apt-get is what's supported, better to stick with it.
[03:08] <jtbandes> Hi, is there any way I could conceivably download a torrent for the full HH release, start it leeching (which would do nothing), and have it automatically actually start downloading when the full version is released?
[03:08] <remu> i just started epiphany, and about to go to ubuntuguide.org, if i disappear, it means x restarted, lol
[03:08] <shane2peru> ripps: I guess I'm with remu then, why do some people so dogmatically say to use aptitude?
[03:08] <mneptok> jtbandes: use rsync
[03:08] <remu> it works fine on epiphany
[03:09] <mneptok> remu: so it's not (necessarily) a Gecko problem.
[03:09] <chrisf826> i only use aptitude when i am lazy
[03:09] <chrisf826> :P
[03:09] <ripps> aptitude is better suited if your having dependacy issues
[03:09] <chrisf826> most of the time i use dpkg and friends
[03:09] <jtbandes> mneptok: how would that work?
[03:09] <chrisf826> and editing files
[03:09] <chrisf826> to do what i want
[03:09] <mneptok> jtbandes: rsync a daily, then rsync again when the version is released. only the changed bits will be updated.
[03:10] <shane2peru> chrisf826: I actually like building from source, but not to setup my desktop. :)
[03:10] <remu> mneptok: any idea what may be causing it
[03:10] <mneptok> remu: run Fx from a command line and see what it prints to the tty when it bails
[03:10] <jtbandes> mneptok: ok. do I need to use rsync for the daily?
[03:10] <mneptok> jtbandes: nope
[03:10] <remu> kk
[03:10] <chrisf826> shane: i figured out how to break ubuntu's runlevels so it wouidnt load X
[03:10] <chrisf826> :)
[03:10] <AtomicSpark> when i updated my laptop to the beta, my numpad doesn't output numbers when numlock is on. what would cause this?
[03:10] <shane2peru> ripps: so after 2 years of using aptitude, apt-get should be fine? lol, ahh, I'm too stuck to aptitude now.
[03:10] <mneptok> jtbandes: rename your daily .iso file to the filename of the final, and rsync against it
[03:11] <chrisf826> shane: i had a situation where i needed the cpu power
[03:11] <shane2peru> chrisf826: I like x, and will stick to it. :)  I don't mind cli, but I like my desktop setup. :)
[03:11] <DanaG> I use aptitude for everything.
[03:11] <mneptok> DanaG: how does it work as an MUA?
[03:11] <jtbandes> mneptok: cool, thanks. Any idea how big the iso difference is going to be?
[03:11] <DanaG> Well, everything except basic updates.
[03:11] <chrisf826> i just deleted all the run levels for the X desktop managers
[03:11] <mneptok> :P
[03:11] <ripps> there's essentially no difference, it's just that apt-get has more support from the ubuntu development team
[03:11] <shane2peru> DanaG: me too. :)
[03:11] <chrisf826> rebooted
[03:11] <DanaG> MUA?
[03:11] <Zackymc_k> Please I NEED MY LAPTOP AND CANT LIVE IN 800x600 please help...
[03:11] <chrisf826> and stayed within shell
[03:11] <remu> i ran firefox from gnome-terminal
[03:12] <chrisf826> until i ran rcconf again
[03:12] <chrisf826> to add them
[03:12] <remu> and it restarted X before anything was displayed on the terminal
[03:12] <mneptok> jtbandes: i could tell you, but then i'd have to marry you.
[03:12] <jbroome> !resolution | Zackymc_k
[03:12] <ubotu> Zackymc_k: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:12] <DanaG> MUA?
[03:12] <DanaG> What's MUA?
[03:12] <mneptok> DanaG: mail user agent (e.g. Thunderbird)
[03:12] <shane2peru> ripps: thanks for the info, apt-get is a bit easier. :)  I will use it from now on.
[03:12]  * mneptok bets aptitude is a pretty lousy MUA
[03:12] <DanaG> I don't see what mail has to do with aptitude.
[03:13] <DanaG> Oh, a joke.
[03:13] <DanaG> I see.
[03:13] <DanaG> "everything"
[03:13] <mneptok> 'zackly
[03:13] <chrisf826> ripps: people can get the same dependancy data from using -D2000 in the dpkg command line
[03:13] <chrisf826> :)
[03:13]  * jgoo gets it
[03:13] <chrisf826> as they would from aptitude
[03:13] <Zackymc_k> what about my restricted drivers not sticking when i restart?
[03:13] <icesword> hi, channel
[03:13]  * shane2peru doesn't get it, went right over his head.
[03:13] <LainIwakura> Hello, does anyone know if SCIM in Hardy has been upgraded from the one in gutsy?
[03:13] <remu> mneptok: i ran firefox from the terminal, and went to ubuntuguide.org, and it restarted X before anything printed in the terminal
[03:13] <icesword> !info scim hardy
[03:14] <ubotu> scim (source: scim): smart common input method platform. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.7-3ubuntu8 (hardy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[03:14] <Pici> LainIwakura: I'm pretty sure it has, since there were some scim bugs earlier in the devlopment cycle
[03:14] <LainIwakura> Pici: Thanks.
[03:14] <jgoo> aaagh. I swear an icon... flew in from the right of my screen... drifted to pidgin on the avant bar... and disappeared.... what was that?
[03:14] <shane2peru> jgoo: are you sure it wasn't a fly?
[03:14] <chrisf826> hmmm my kernel compile with p4 optimizations is almost ready!!
[03:14] <Pici> LainIwakura: from 1.4.7-1ubuntu2 to 1.4.7-3ubuntu8  . so not a big change
[03:15] <LainIwakura> Pici: Alright... since I'm having trouble setting up traditional Chinese :(
[03:15] <LainIwakura> (in Gutsy)
[03:15] <jgoo> pretty sure... I am tentatively peering around the cude desktop to see what lurks... but it all looks calm. I think I need more sleep.
[03:15] <shane2peru> _jgoo: ha ha, probably.
[03:15] <chrisf826> shane: i love ubuntu's kernel build system, it sure beats forgetting to do the steps myself
[03:15] <chrisf826> and i still get to custom build the kernel
[03:15] <chrisf826> nice!
[03:16] <shane2peru> chrisf826: are you a gentooer converted to ubuntu? lol
[03:16] <chrisf826> shane: no, i am a first time user
[03:16] <chrisf826> first time i used linux since the 2.2 days
[03:16] <ToddEDM> hey guys, i just went to ubuntu.com , and i noticed there is 2 days left till hardy, the release candidate that is available for download.. is it going to be what is actually released?
[03:16] <chrisf826> when i ran slakware
[03:16] <ripps> I'm used to use Gentoo, I like Ubuntu because I don't to think as much to use it.
[03:17] <shane2peru> chrisf826: ahh, slackware user, that was my next guess
[03:17] <chrisf826> ripps: ubuntu seems to give me the best of both world's
[03:17] <shane2peru> ripps: I setup gentoo several times just to get the learning experience, too much work to keep up with
[03:17] <mneptok> munh ... that reminds me i have to update OpenBSD on my Mac68K. bleh.
[03:17] <chrisf826> shane: slakware, windows 2000 , xp, server 2003/ and 2008 and now ubuntu
[03:17] <ethana2> mneptok: wow
[03:17] <shane2peru> chrisf826: I setup slackware a few times too, Ubuntu is just easier on me. :)
[03:17] <chrisf826> shane: i also did beta testing for ms's msi group
[03:17] <ripps> Gentoo is a great learning tool. Really get to understand the linux archetecture
[03:18] <chrisf826> so i am used to getting my hands dirty for installing things
[03:18] <shane2peru> ripps: yes, it was fun building it
[03:18] <ripps> But I prefer Ubuntu, because it just so damn convienient
[03:18] <mneptok> ethana2: that machine was Canonical's Montreal webserver for a while :)
[03:18] <shane2peru> chrisf826: right, I'm not a programmer, just a user, I enjoy learning about the OS though.
[03:18] <chrisf826> shane: msi is microsoft's installation system just like apt and dpkg is for us
[03:19] <shane2peru> chrisf826: I used Windows from 3.1 until XP, now 100% Linux
[03:19] <DanaG> ... but MSI can fail to uninstalll, quite a lot more often.
[03:19] <chrisf826> shane: i ended up having to know the dpendancies of windows and linux
[03:19] <chrisf826> of each lib and component
[03:19] <mneptok> DanaG: and fail to uninstall completely or correctly almost 100% of the time ;)
[03:19] <_jgoo> ToddEDM: GOod question, I can't imagine too many changes...
[03:19] <shane2peru> chrisf826: I really know nothing of windows, it doesn't teach you much about itself. lol
[03:20] <chrisf826> i have to know pretty much wat each file does
[03:20] <Zackymc_k> can anyone at lest tell me where to post 8.04 forums...do i just post them at ubuntufourms.org?
[03:20] <shane2peru> chrisf826: other than desktop usage. :)
[03:20] <DanaG> What's worse is InstallShield -- you can't extract it easily!
[03:20] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: what video chipset do you have?
[03:20] <ToddEDM> _jgoo:  someone in #ubuntu just told me there have been updates
[03:21] <_jgoo> ToddEDM: However, I wouldn't imagine too many new builds, that iso could be weeks old... does it have a 'build' date? I downloaded a few days ago and then it upgraded with over 500 new files.
[03:21] <chrisf826> danag: well with debian based linuxen. its easy for someone like me to clean up a trashed install
[03:21] <towlie2> is anything supposed to change in 8.04 between today and thursday ?
[03:21] <chrisf826> almost all of debian is configured with a text based file
[03:22] <_jgoo> hey, I just got 90 updates :-)
[03:22] <ToddEDM> lol
[03:22] <chrisf826> no registry or nothing to get a headache over
[03:22] <Zackymc_k> mneptok: the card? where do i get that info in hardy its different
[03:22] <Zackymc_k> than gutsy
[03:22] <chrisf826> i bet i am gonna have to recompile my kernel packages hahaha
[03:23] <chrisf826> on thursday?
[03:23] <chrisf826> to have a current one
[03:23] <towlie2> is anything supposed to change in 8.04 between today and thursday ?
[03:24] <theone_> nothing big no
[03:24] <ToddEDM> _jgoo:  if i install now with the release candidate that is available, will it just update to whatever is released on thursday?
[03:24] <jbroome> yes
[03:24] <jbroome> !final | ToddEDM
[03:24] <ubotu> ToddEDM: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[03:24] <theone_> easy peasy
[03:24] <ToddEDM> coo
[03:25] <ToddEDM> udo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <ToddEDM> thats the command?
[03:25] <jbroome> *sudo
[03:25] <ToddEDM> yeah
[03:25] <jbroome> but, yeah
[03:25] <ToddEDM> ;)
[03:26] <ToddEDM> will this upgrade me from gutsy?
[03:26] <chrisf826> i am confused on what packages of source code i need for the kernel restricted modules
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> I am convinced my box is in much more of a mess
[03:26] <chrisf826> i am using 2.6.24.16
[03:26] <DanaG> Heh, Intrepid makes me think of some SUV -- bad.
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> than it would be fresh
[03:26] <theone_> if you change your sources.list file
[03:26] <ripps> Whoa.... my entire desktop just crashed there...
[03:26] <chrisf826> does apt have access to ready packaged source code?
[03:26] <Zackymc_k> mneptok: nvidia
[03:26] <theone_> point your sources to hardy and make sure you have everything backed up
[03:26] <chrisf826> available for download?
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> chrisf826: linux-restricted-modules | 2.6.24.16.18 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Packages
[03:27] <NickPresta> I've having trouble with the nvidia-glx-new packages. I installed the package but I have no way to enable them. Manually editing xorg.conf to use 'nvidia' results in a bad configuration and I have to go back to nv. How should I proceed?
[03:27] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: what nVidia?
[03:27] <chrisf826> h3sp4wn: that is the source or binaries?
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> chrisf826: Unfortunately its full of all sorts of stuff you don't need
[03:27] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: lspci -vvvv | grep VGA
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> (i.e a binary vmware)
[03:27] <kahrytan> How do you terminate a root app thats taking majority of my cpu?
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> apt-get source linux-restricted-modules
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> ]#
[03:28] <chrisf826> thank you :)
[03:28] <chrisf826> i can add them to my make-kpkg jobs? :)
[03:28] <mneptok> NickPresta: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:28] <ripps> kahrytan: sudo killall
[03:28] <ToddEDM> hey, do you guys know of anywhere that i can use free online storage?
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> kahrytan: sudo pkill name of app
[03:28] <NickPresta> mneptok, I've done that. I restart X and I get the displayconfig-gtk dialog telling me I have an unusable configuration.
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> chrisf826: If you just want to do that then its even easier
[03:29] <_jgoo> OT: Wifi antennas - you have two on a typical linksys - are they different? I have a G setup - I want to put larger antennas - should I replace both of these? Also, how to improve range of iPhone wifi. OT I know :p
[03:29] <chrisf826> h3sp4wn: that is what i would like to do, i want everything matching my processor
[03:29] <kahrytan> ripps, h3sp4wn nope. didnt work
[03:29] <_jgoo> ToddEDM: Dropbox is awesome, erm... they haven't released their linux client htough
[03:29] <mneptok> NickPresta: is your chipset supported by nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[03:29] <_jgoo> ToddEDM: you can use gmail for 20mb files
[03:29] <chrisf826> i am gonna install the current svn of linuxtv's v4l
[03:29] <ripps> what's the app?
[03:29] <chrisf826> and i need the whole mess the same compile flags
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> nvidia-new-kernel-source nvidia-legacy-kernel-source
[03:29] <kahrytan> ripps-> whiptail?
[03:29] <chrisf826> and processor :)
[03:29] <NickPresta> mneptok, yep. I've been using this card since Feisty. nvidia-glx-new works. Its a 7900 GS, if it matters.
[03:30] <kahrytan> ripps->  and its sucking 95%
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> chrisf826: are you using gcc 4.3 ?
[03:30] <chrisf826> 4.2.3
[03:30] <kahrytan> What is whiptail?
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> chrisf826: With what cpu ?
[03:30] <chrisf826> p4 stepping 09
[03:30] <chrisf826> 2.6 ghz
[03:30] <shane2peru> does anyone know what package needs installed for my xfce-desktop sound?
[03:31] <shane2peru> it wasn't installed when I installed xubuntu-desktop
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> Ok - I wast
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> thinking of trying gcc-snapshot on my core2
[03:31] <Fdisk93> are there any problems wiht 8.04 an Nvidia gforce 8600 gt ??
[03:31] <Zackymc_k> mneptok: Geforce 6150 go
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> Fdisk93: Not if you are not bothered with compiz I would guess
[03:32] <mneptok> NickPresta: your chipset is supported by nvidia-glx, not nvidia-glx-new
[03:32] <Fdisk93> i normaly use compiz
[03:32] <Snic42> Hey there, made the leap to Hardy today and I've been running into fun issues getting Compiz running on an ATI 9100 IGP. Anyone else run into any issues with this card? Or know of a good solution? This was all working fine under Gutsy
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> 7xxx is definately supported by glx-new
[03:32] <NickPresta> mneptok, that's strange. restricted-manager in Gutsy installed -new. I will make the adjustment.
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> even 6xxx is
[03:33] <mneptok> NickPresta: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx
[03:33] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: how did you install the nVidia driver?
[03:33] <chrisf826> h3: i have a 2xxxx
[03:33] <chrisf826> geforce2 mx 400
[03:33] <h3sp4wn> NickPresta: If you have the choice just see which one is least buggy
[03:33] <Zackymc_k> through  "Hardware Drivers"
[03:34] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[03:34] <mneptok> chrisf826: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:34]  * mneptok is the nVidia guy tonight :/
[03:34] <chrisf826> yeah i have done that, now i am gonna compile the thing
[03:35] <chrisf826> for my shiney new kernel
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> just get nvidia-legacy-kernel-source
[03:35] <DanaG> Argh, I can't print to a turned-off printer -- yet I used to be able to do so.
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> and then there is a few ways you can go about compiling it
[03:35] <DanaG> I should be able to send the job to the printer, and then turn the printer on later.
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> I cannot even work out how to put the paper into my printer
[03:36] <h3sp4wn> (I haven't tried too hard yet though()
[03:36] <chrisf826> finally i taught apt to pull source
[03:36] <DanaG> Oh, better still: the print button in Evince is grayed out.
[03:36] <chrisf826> cool
[03:36] <DanaG> What gives?
[03:36] <chrisf826> !
[03:36] <Fdisk93> on a clean install of 8.04 should it pick the right driver for my card Nvidia gforce 8600 gt ??
[03:36] <Snic42> Anyone else having issues with direct rendering in Hardy with older ATI cards?
[03:37] <DanaG> LET ME PRINT!
[03:37] <Fdisk93> or will i need to enable it in the restickted drivers ?
[03:37] <DanaG> Stupid Evince!
[03:37] <DanaG> What the ???????
[03:38]  * DanaG goes off hollering at 'cups'
[03:38] <Fdisk93> *restrickted
[03:38] <ripps> Doesn't EnvyNG handle Nvidia installs?
[03:38] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[03:38] <DanaG> It won't let me print!
[03:38] <DanaG> To ANY printer!
[03:41] <Boohbah> DanaG: give it a swift kick in the rear!
[03:41] <DanaG> Argh, I had to pdftops it and then lp it.
[03:41] <DanaG> How's that for intuitive?
[03:41] <DanaG> That's way messed up.
[03:42] <DanaG> Oh, and it goes like this:
[03:42] <DanaG> spin up.  print page.  spin down.
[03:42] <DanaG> spin up.  print page.  spin down.
[03:42] <DanaG> spin up.  print page.  spin down.
[03:42] <DanaG> Instead of spin up, print ALL pages, spin down.
[03:42] <chrisf826> gosh
[03:43] <chrisf826> the restricted modules is a pain to compile
[03:43] <NickPresta> mneptok, well, I removed -new, installed nvidia-glx. I ran nvidia-xconfig, made sure it actually put nvidia in xorg.conf. Restart X. Bad configuration error. More information about the failed upgrade from Gutsy here: http://pastebin.ca/994071
[03:43] <chrisf826> it wants to break what flags i configured growl
[03:44] <mneptok> NickPresta: try dpkg-reconfigure -pigh xserver-xorg
[03:44] <RAOF> chrisf826: Why are you compiling the restricted modules again? :)
[03:44] <DanaG> And for a 12-page document, that one-page-at-a-time thing is really really irritating.
[03:44] <DanaG> And wastes quite a bit of time, too.
[03:44] <chrisf826> ra: i am compiling a kernel without SMP
[03:44] <NickPresta> mneptok, yep. Did that. It creates a skeleton xorg.conf. I added the nvidia line, no good.
[03:45] <mneptok> NickPresta: you need to stop editing by hand
[03:45] <chrisf826> not a good idea to mix modules with _SMP_ and without
[03:45] <chrisf826> in the symbol tables
[03:45] <mneptok> NickPresta: it prevents the new autoconfigurator from working
[03:45] <RAOF> chrisf826: If you're using IA32, the -386 kernel is built without SMP.
[03:45] <mdlueck> DanaG, sounds like slow I/O speed somewhere between "the computer" and "the printer"... Priter gets sick of waiting and spins down
[03:45] <RAOF> chrisf826: As are all the relevant extra packages, obviously.
[03:45] <DanaG> No, it's more about how the thing sends the documents to the printer.
[03:45] <mneptok> chrisf826: why do you need to compile without SMP?
[03:45] <DanaG> It's always been like that -- whether networked, or local.
[03:45] <NickPresta> mneptok, okay. So run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg. Then run 'nvidia-xconfig'. Then restart X and it should be fine?
[03:46] <chrisf826> mnemo: : i am not on a dual core or greater box
[03:46] <mneptok> NickPresta: we can hope! :)
[03:46] <NickPresta> mneptok, heh okay. Thanks for the help thus far. I appreciate it.
[03:46] <mneptok> chrisf826: so?
[03:46] <chrisf826> mnemo: : i am stuck on a traditional p4 procesor
[03:46] <mdlueck> DanaG, what type of printer are we talking about?
[03:46] <Flannel> chrisf826: The generic kernel will work fine for you.
[03:46] <mneptok> chrisf826: so?
[03:47] <chrisf826> plus i want to try out ubuntu's kernel development facilities :)
[03:47] <chrisf826> that is one thing i love to do
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> mneptok: Removing nvidia-glx-new ...
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> dpkg-divert: error checking `/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx-new (--remove):
[03:47] <Zackymc_k>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:47] <Zackymc_k>  nvidia-glx-new
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> sory
[03:47] <mneptok> Zackymc_k: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[03:47] <Zackymc_k> thats what i did
[03:47] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: Oh!  You've hit that too?
[03:47] <DanaG> Samsung ML-1210 in one case, HP Laserjet 8150DN in the other.
[03:47] <mneptok> chrisf826: Ubuntu's kernel dev facilities are usually referred to as "the kernel team" ;)
[03:47] <DanaG> The latter is the networked one.
[03:48] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: Strange, you're the second person I've seen with that problem.
[03:48] <Scorp_> can someone help me with a wubi install for hardy?
[03:48] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Zackymc_k, try 'sudo dpkg --configure a'
[03:48] <DanaG> nvidia-glx-new has some new version available:
[03:48] <DanaG> Argh, I HATE this new scheduler!
[03:48] <DanaG> It make seveything slow and sucky.
[03:48] <mdlueck> DanaG, when network, printing via CUPS, Samba, ???
[03:48] <DanaG> Even typing.
[03:48] <chrisf826> mnemo: : the build facilities are pretty nice
[03:49] <DanaG> CUPS to an LPR server.
[03:49] <DanaG> Hate Hate Hate this "Completely Fair Scheduler"
[03:49] <DanaG> "Completely Fair" my $BODY_PART
[03:50] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: Errors encountered while processing; a
[03:50] <Scorp_> I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs
[03:50] <orion1> Hey guys i am having trouble deleting stuff from my trash can. Also i can not find my trash can from the commandline. Is it not located at ~/.Trash?
[03:50] <jscinoz> hmm
[03:50] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: Yeah; I'm searching for the bug report that you're experiencing.
[03:50] <mdlueck> DanaG, I do not happen to have LPR. I run Samba to CUPS to the printers, works great... My complaint is "sometimes" it sends A4 paper size and the printer complains.
[03:50] <DanaG> Oh, and now....
[03:50] <RAOF> orion1: No, it's not at ~/.Trash.  It's now in ~/.local/share/Trash.
[03:50] <DanaG> I printed a 12-page document... and it printed 10 pages then stopped.
[03:50] <GhotiPhud> oops, Zackymc_k, should have been 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:51] <DanaG> And now, 5 minutes later, it's printing the last two.
[03:51] <orion1> RAOF: why did they change that?
[03:51] <mneptok> NickPresta: and ... ?
[03:51] <IdleOne> DanaG: it needed a break
[03:51] <jscinoz> totem crashed and its eating 100% CPU, and it ignores being killed with both KILL, QUIT, even survives SEGV, any ideas why this process can't be killed?
[03:51] <DanaG> Didn
[03:51] <NickPresta> Bad configuration still.
[03:51] <DanaG> didn't do that in Gutsy.
[03:51] <mneptok> NickPresta: bah.
[03:51]  * mneptok hates X today
[03:51] <mneptok> *h a t e s*
[03:51] <Scorp_> I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs.
[03:51] <IdleOne> jscinoz: zombied
[03:51] <NickPresta> mneptok, is there any sort of way I can confirm that X is using the nvidia driver (or that the nvidia can even be used)?
[03:51] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: ctrl-alt-backspace?
[03:51] <DanaG> Oh, and imagine that.... the Print button is now enabled.
[03:52] <vhaarr> Hello, the last 2 days after running Hardy for some time, I am suddenly unable to sudo any more, I just get a message saying "sudo: unable to resolve host <host>".
[03:52] <vhaarr> Anyone know what could be causing this?
[03:52] <DanaG> bug 188226
[03:52] <RAOF> orion1: A number of reasons.  It's the new XDG trash standard location.
[03:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[03:52] <mneptok> NickPresta: lsmod should tell you
[03:52] <GhotiPhud> you're trying to fix the dpkg error yes?
[03:52] <aeronca> I just installed the RC...I am trying to identify my monitor so I can use a higher refresh rate...for the life of me I cannot find where to do that
[03:52] <mdlueck> "Oh, and imagine that.... the Print button is now enabled." hee hee hee... "Details, details... who needs print buttons anyway!?!!" ;-)
[03:52] <mneptok> GhotiPhud: mmmm .... flakes.
[03:52] <Scorp_> can someone here help me with wubi?
[03:52] <RAOF> jscinoz: It's waiting in the kernel, and hence never gets any chance to respond to those signals?
[03:53] <IdleOne> Scorp_: ask a specific question
[03:53] <Scorp_> I did
[03:53] <Scorp_> I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs
[03:53] <NickPresta> mneptok, nvidia is in the listing from lsmod. *shrugs* I'm stumped.
[03:53] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: i ran the code
[03:53] <jscinoz> RAOF, strange that totem could do that though
[03:53] <GhotiPhud> will it now install the program?
[03:53] <jscinoz> runnign as an underpriveleged user.
[03:54] <DanaG> Maybe magic-sysrq can kill it?
[03:54] <DanaG> The Totem.
[03:54] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: nope
[03:54] <RAOF> jscinoz: Not if it's calling into X, which calls into the driver, which calls into the drm kernel module :)
[03:55] <GhotiPhud> darn, that's all I've got
[03:55] <GhotiPhud> had that problem earlier today
[03:55] <GhotiPhud> that fixed it
[03:55] <towlie_> so should i just wait or upgrade now
[03:55] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: should i restart X?
[03:55] <GhotiPhud> you might try a full restart
[03:56] <markus__> moin moin
[03:56] <markus__> was bedeutet Daily Build
[03:56] <Scorp_> can anyone here help me with a wubi install?
[03:56] <Scorp_> ?
[03:56] <jscinoz> raof.. drm as in direct rendering manager?
[03:56] <RAOF> jscinoz: Yes.
[03:56] <aeronca> can someone please tell me how to change my monitor settings on Hardy RC so I can run the proper refresh rate
[03:56] <towlie_> what do you guys think ?
[03:56] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Scorp_, I've never used wubi
[03:56] <GhotiPhud> but I can try
[03:57] <Scorp_> GhotiPhud: ok thanks, I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs
[03:57] <DanaG> Is there a way to WUBI to a partition?
[03:57] <towlie_> so should i just wait or upgrade now
[03:57] <jscinoz> RAOF, so is there any way tos top this process without a reboot or X restart
[03:57] <DanaG> Or start a netinstall without a CD?
[03:57] <Scorp_> GhotiPhud: it did this right after I installed
[03:57] <GhotiPhud> I'm not exactly sure how it works, when you boot it gives you boot options?
[03:58] <GhotiPhud> then you choose ubuntu right?
[03:58] <RAOF> jscinoz: I don't think so, actually, and I'm not sure that an X restart will kill it.
[03:58] <RAOF> For future reference, orion1 was probably seeing bug #36625
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36625
[03:59] <jscinoz> raof ack >_<
[03:59] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: still zip on the nvidia driver install
[03:59] <GhotiPhud> that's odd
[03:59] <aeronca> I know it's simple....but I can't find it..how do I define my monitor so I can run higher refresh rates
[03:59] <GhotiPhud> what was the error it was giving?
[04:00] <RAOF> aeronca: Which driver?  Using one of the free drivers, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution should allow you to change the refresh rate.
[04:00] <Zackymc_k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:00] <GhotiPhud> ah
[04:00] <towlie_> so should i just wait or upgrade now to 8.04
[04:00] <GhotiPhud> it could be a bad package
[04:00] <RAOF> aeronca: If you're fiddling around with xorg.conf, stop; it's not going to be useful :)
[04:00] <GhotiPhud> you might have to use envyNG or wait till they fix that one
[04:01]  * DanaG hopes people stop touting dpkg-reconfigure as the solution to any and all X issues.
[04:01] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: What's the full error (pastebin if necessary).  Is it bug #36625+
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36625
[04:01] <DanaG> I still need my xorg.conf for mouse stuff, though.
[04:02] <Zackymc_k>  RAOF: pastebin if necessary? sorry im new to this irc thing :)
[04:02] <markus__> was heißt  Ubuntu 8.04 Daily Build
[04:02] <GhotiPhud> ﻿towlie_, if you wait two days, you'll be able to burn a cd that will be good for a while, but if you burn it today, you'll most likely have to do tons of updates if you ever install it on someone else's computer
[04:02] <aeronca> using the Nvidia driver.....going to Pref>Screen Res gives me 50 or 51hz......the monitor should be capable of 75, and I have changed it up to at least 60ish in the beta releases of Hardy.....I had to specifically define my monitor (as a Dell 1704FPT), but after I defined my monitor I was able to set higher refresh rates
[04:02] <GhotiPhud> I find it better to have the full release version
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> GhotiPhud: Judging by past experience its likely you will have tons of updates anyway
[04:03] <aeronca> and for the life of me I can't find where to do that on the Hardy RC
[04:03] <GhotiPhud> if you're upgrading a Gutsy install, it will go faster to wait for the CD and upgrade from that then downloading right now
[04:03] <RAOF> aeronca: Ah.  This is the nvidia driver being stupid; it mis-reports the refresh rate.
[04:03] <GhotiPhud> the servers will be a little booked
[04:04] <RAOF> aeronca:
[04:04] <RAOF> aeronca: This is deliberate.  In order to change the refresh rate you want install the 'nvidia-settings' package, and then run it.
[04:04]  * DanaG reaches into the end of June and hugs the ATI he will have then.
[04:04] <DanaG> Sure, it may be crappy... but at least it'll have open-source specs.
[04:05] <RAOF> aeronca: On the other hand, since it's a flat panel it shouldn't make _that_ much difference 60Hz or 75Hz.
[04:05] <DanaG> And thus, an open-source driver... with support from the manufacturer!
[04:05] <RAOF> DanaG: Gasp!  Surely not!
[04:06] <cppmonkey> I am having problems with Ubuntu 8.04 locking up straight after logging it. I am currently running it from the console to connect and updated it from there but my wireless uses WPA encryption, so i cant get on to it.
[04:06] <DanaG> And at least ATI now has revived Hydravision (their multi-desktop thingy) for Vista; nvidia still doesn't have an nView out.
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> I think next desktop card I get will be a matrox of some description
[04:06] <RAOF> DanaG: And their open-source drivers will, or do, support xrandr 1.2, for frikkin awesome multi-head.
[04:07] <aeronca> thank you RAOF for the help
[04:07] <DanaG> I just wish AMD's CPUs were better -- or at least, I wish companies wouldn't pair the Turion with low-end-only GPUs.
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: The problem is that xrandr is still incomplete in terms of support from the DE's
[04:08] <JPSman> is it possible to upgrade from 7.10 from a hardy CD?
[04:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, RAOF: do you have ATI or nvidia?
[04:08] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: pastebin???
[04:08] <JPSman> not install, just upgrade
[04:08] <GhotiPhud> ﻿ JPSman, yes it is
[04:08] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Not that I've noticed?
[04:08] <RAOF> !pastebi | Zackymc_k
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <DanaG> I'm wondering: does radeonfb get along with 'radeon' and/or 'radeonhd' ?
[04:08] <RAOF> !pastebin | Zackymc_k
[04:08] <ubotu> Zackymc_k: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[04:09] <RAOF> DanaG: nvidia, more's the pity.
[04:09] <DanaG> If I could get accelerated framebuffer..... that'd be so sweet.
[04:09] <DanaG> Can't get that with nvidia, either.
[04:09] <JPSman> uh duh - Thank you GhotiPhud I found the link
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: I tried it a few months ago and it was a complete pita
[04:09] <Snic42> Anyone else having issues with ATI cards and direct rendering
[04:09] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Hm.  Whereas for me it Just Works in GNOME.
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: Only e17 by default did anything sensible
[04:09] <RAOF> Mmm, rss-glx on nouveau :)
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> In gnome the dpi was wrong
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> and only part of the screen was used
[04:10] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: Oh, right.  Yes, it will be.  On the other hand, that's something that you should set in the font preferences.
[04:10] <RAOF> h3sp4wn: That sounds like a compiz issue?
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, is there a user guide for noveau already?
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> RAOF: I cannot use compiz
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> twinview works now with all the issues that currently
[04:10] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: nouveau.freedesktop.org ?
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> grr - e17 scales it all sensibly
[04:11] <Snic42> I had Compiz running just fine in Gutsy on my notebook. But in Hardy I can't for the life of me get direct render support on this.
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> so it looks fine cloned with all the dpi etc fine
[04:11] <alex_mayorga> RAOF: is it Hardy packaged?
[04:11] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Hell, no.
[04:11] <RAOF> Except in that...
[04:11] <RAOF> !nouveau
[04:11] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[04:11] <RAOF> exists.
[04:11] <kunkun> HA Jack it works!
[04:12] <RAOF> And the 3d support isn't packaged there, at the explicit request of upstream.
[04:12] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64059/
[04:12] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: Right.  You've got bug #36625
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36625
[04:13] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: how to fix it... or is there one(a fix)
[04:13] <RAOF> Zackymc_k: The bug report has a work around.
[04:14] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: i forgot about links :)
[04:14] <DanaG> My next notebook... I'm considering 1920x1200 at 15".
[04:14] <DanaG> 15.4, to be exact.
[04:14] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: If everything goes well, Intrepid will hopefully have the kernel interfaces required to make nouveau work; Currently you require a git snapshot of important stuff.
[04:15] <RAOF> Anyway, luncheon beckons.
[04:15] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, would you like to help me to regain my X
[04:15] <DanaG> Lunch?
[04:15] <DanaG> What time zone?
[04:15] <DanaG> Tue Apr 22 20:15:18 PDT 2008
[04:15] <DanaG> That's mine.
[04:15] <alex_mayorga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/146706
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged]
[04:15] <ecubuntu_> Hello everybody, can somebody help me with me wireless network conf?
[04:16] <JPSman> nm that didn't work
[04:17] <cppmonkey> help with wireless WPA configuration please
[04:17] <GhotiPhud> what didn't work ﻿ JPSman?
[04:17] <ecubuntu_> mee to
[04:18] <ecubuntu_> cppmonkey, what kind of problem u have?
[04:18] <Snic42> Don't suppose anyone else is using a Toshiba Satelite A75 notebook?
[04:18] <JPSman> GhotiPhud: gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"   didn't do anything
[04:18] <DanaG> Another thing I'll be ditching in summer:
[04:18] <DanaG> Creative.
[04:18] <JPSman> there is no /cdromupgrade on this cd
[04:19] <h3sp4wn> ecubuntu_: What is wrong with it
[04:19] <Snic42> ﻿Or any system with an ATI 9100 IGP really
[04:19] <GhotiPhud> ah, I was going to suggest insert CD... add to sources list... upgrade
[04:19] <DanaG> I'll replace it with a USB C-Media device... or a Cardbus one, if I'm really lucky.
[04:19] <DanaG> 9100IGP is left out even in Windows, I hear.
[04:19] <ecubuntu_> i can get access to my own wireless network
[04:19] <GhotiPhud> I think you might have to disconnect from internet to force the cd
[04:19] <ecubuntu_> on my house
[04:20] <DanaG> can?
[04:20] <GhotiPhud> because it won't have all the latest packages
[04:20] <DanaG> forgot an apostrophe and the letter t?
[04:20] <ecubuntu_> h3sp4wn,
[04:20] <cppmonkey> ecubuntu Gnome is locking up as soon as I loggin, so Im trying to update it via the console but I need to enter the WPA key, I have selected the wireless channel and Im getting a good signal strenth
[04:20] <Snic42> The thing was working fine in Gutsy, that's the bit that's bugging me
[04:20] <JPSman> GhotiPhud: So cut the net and Alt-F2 and update-manager --devel-release ?
[04:21] <ecubuntu_> wow wow wow cppmonkey
[04:21] <GhotiPhud> I think you need to add in Software Sources menu
[04:21] <GhotiPhud> let me look and see
[04:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, AMD is going to be at the job fair at Cal Poly this spring.
[04:22] <DanaG> Cool.
[04:22] <JPSman> GhotiPhud: Ok thank you :OD
[04:22] <ecubuntu_> i have the same confg on my mother office h3sp4wn via WPA and i can get internet access but in my house i can not
[04:23] <GhotiPhud> ok, CD in... System>Admin>Software Sources... Ubuntu Software tab... check the CD rom
[04:23] <GhotiPhud> wait
[04:23] <GhotiPhud> Third-Party Software tab... add CD-ROM
[04:24] <naught102> can anyone confirm that ffmpeg in hardy isn't built with AC3 input support?
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> ecubuntu_: What country are you in
[04:25] <edugonch> Hello, how I can install ubuntu 8.04 from the alternate install in a minimal installation (text only)
[04:26] <AutoMatriX> is there someboye who succeeded to synchronise a Nokia6610 5Cellular) over IR with evolution ? I never achieved it under gutsy and lower ... wondering iff  it's possible in Hardy ?
[04:26] <jbroome> edugonch: use the alternate cd
[04:26] <ecubuntu_> :( USA
[04:26] <h3sp4wn> edugonch: just select the option to install a server
[04:26] <ecubuntu_> h3sp4wn,
[04:26] <jbroome> no, not a server
[04:26] <edugonch> I didn't see that option in the alternate cd
[04:26] <jbroome> there's an option on the alt cd for a text only system
[04:26] <h3sp4wn> Thats tezxt only
[04:27] <anmar> Hello guys
[04:27] <anmar> I am looking to install the ATI catalyst
[04:27] <anmar> Control center app
[04:27] <anmar> is it a deb ?
[04:28] <anmar> or I have to install it from source?
[04:28] <jbroome> h3sp4wn: that's what he asked for
[04:29] <anmar> I have my Xorg fully installed and up and running with compiz working out fine but wanted to tweak things using the catalyst control center.
[04:29] <edugonch> In this moment I have the alternate cd boot screen and I have --.> Install Ubuntu, Check Cd for defects, Rescue a broken system, test memory, boot from first hard disk
[04:29] <anmar> I do have the fglrx restricted module already installed and running.
[04:30] <edugonch> I can't see a text only option
[04:30] <DanaG> Random thing: http://linux.die.net/man/3/xevie
[04:30] <GhotiPhud> go to install ubuntu
[04:31] <GhotiPhud> it'll be past that
[04:31] <Fritzel> what's the easiest way to go about resizing an ext3 partition I want to make some room for windows
[04:32] <anmar> hey guys. Sorry I think I managed to get it... Sorry for the bother
[04:32] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Fritzel: pop in a live cd, then use the partition editor
[04:32] <ripps> amar: EnvyNG will install the latest driver along with control center. (Control center doesn't do much though)
[04:32] <edugonch> I first use "Install Ubuntu" but I needed to stop when started to install the X server
[04:33] <Fritzel> it'll handle it? ok good deal, next question, how difficult is it to restore the boot loader after it gets replaced?
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> edugonch: What are the choices there is one that is cli only
[04:33] <JPSman> GhotiPhud: Its stuck on "Umounting CD-ROM..."
[04:33] <Zackymc_k> RAOF: you still there?
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> (or failing that just use the server cd)
[04:34] <GhotiPhud> you're shutting down ﻿JPSman?
 I can't see it, I told you the options That i can see  --.> Install Ubuntu, Check Cd for defects, Rescue a broken system, test memory, boot from first hard disk
[04:34] <demonspork> so, what is the name of the next release of ubuntu after hardy heron?
[04:34] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Fritzel, it's fairly easy
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> edugonch: That is not the alternative cd then
[04:34] <JPSman> GhotiPhud: No - hrm, ok once I tell where to look for software, how do I start the upgrade process from the CD?
[04:34] <GhotiPhud> I'll try and find a walkthrough
[04:34] <edugonch> That's the image that I download
[04:34] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: can you give me a hand with my bug?
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> There looks like there is a way with ubiquiti but I haven't quite found it yet
[04:35] <edugonch> ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso
[04:35] <Fritzel> GhotiPhud, do you happen to know how in case I have troubles getting back in here for some unforseen reason? just the utility to use should be enough info
[04:35] <GhotiPhud> Fritzel, here's the grub link http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/
[04:36] <edugonch> That's the image that I download
[04:36] <edugonch> And I'm using to install the system
[04:36] <JPSman> edugonch: is that torrentable?
[04:37] <edugonch> no, I download from the first mirror that I see in the ubuntu page
[04:37] <DanaG> Don't use first; use the best.
[04:37] <DanaG> Try to find universities and such.
[04:37] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Zackymc_k, the bug with Nvidia driver?
[04:37] <DanaG> They can often have high bandwidth.
[04:37] <edugonch> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso
[04:37] <edugonch> that's the mirror that I used
[04:38] <JPSman> DanaG: do you have to DL and burn the -alternate- to do the upgrade from a CD?
[04:38] <JPSman> because I used the -desktop- iso on a CD and am trying to upgrade - if its possible
[04:38] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/36625 and im kinda a noob so i cant tell with one is the fix.
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New]
[04:39] <Zackymc_k> if you have time
[04:39] <edugonch> I just want to know if the installation method changed in this new version of ubuntu
[04:39] <JPSman> How do you mean edugonch?
[04:39] <GhotiPhud> Zackymc_k, try 'sudo rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2'
[04:39] <Fritzel> GhotiPhud, ok so then really being that my main current drive is /dev/sda I would as I understand it, I would enter grub, then type setup (sda)  does that sound correct?
[04:40] <GhotiPhud> no, grub uses different naming
[04:40] <edugonch> That I can't find the text install option.... I want to know if I downloaded the correct image
[04:40] <Fritzel> GhotiPhud, ok is that find command inside grub or is that the one outside?
[04:41] <Fritzel> if it's inside and it shows disk sizes I should be good since my /boot is a 100mb partition
[04:41] <DanaG> You may be able to loop-mount the CD.
[04:41] <Fritzel> eh nevermind I should be able to figure it out ^^
[04:41] <GhotiPhud> you want to "sudo grub"
[04:41] <GhotiPhud> then find ...
[04:41] <GhotiPhud> then root
[04:41] <GhotiPhud> then setup
[04:42] <GhotiPhud> it's pretty easy
[04:42] <JPSman> DanaG heh "loop-mount" ?
[04:42] <JPSman> sounds, recursive
[04:42] <DanaG> nope.
[04:42] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: nope still the damn error
[04:43] <Fritzel> ok fair enough, thanks
[04:43] <GhotiPhud> to fix the situation, the file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 has to be manually erased. The package nvidia-glx can then be removed. To get the normal non-nvidia libGL file back, the package libgl1-mesa has to be reinstalled: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa.
[04:43] <GhotiPhud> that's what I found on the bug
[04:43] <GhotiPhud> did you try the ﻿apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa.?
[04:44] <DanaG> 'aptitude reinstall' is easier
[04:44] <ubuntucool123> just installed ubuntu 8.04 RC on ThinkPad R30. When I rebooted I got grub error 17. any idea?
[04:46] <edugonch> Here a screenshot of the boot screen ----> http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuscreenfe2.jpg
[04:47] <edugonch> I can't see a text install option
[04:47] <GhotiPhud> go to install ubuntu
[04:47] <edugonch> I did it but
[04:48] <edugonch> it started to install the x server
[04:48] <Black_Magic> could someone help me with internet...?
[04:48] <GhotiPhud> you have the alternate disk?
[04:48] <edugonch> yes
[04:48] <ubuntucool123> ?
[04:48] <edugonch> well that was what I download
[04:48] <edugonch> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso
[04:49] <Black_Magic> im still having problems with internet and i dont have an idea what it is :/
[04:49] <ubuntucool123> i have no idea why i get grub error 17 :(
[04:50] <GhotiPhud> isn't 17 where it can't find the grub partition?
[04:50] <GhotiPhud> you might have to restore grub
[04:50] <GhotiPhud> http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/
[04:50] <ubuntucool123> how do i restore grub?
[04:50] <ubuntucool123> ok thanks
[04:50] <GhotiPhud> you can do that with the live cd
[04:51] <GhotiPhud> ignore the redhat thing
[04:51] <GhotiPhud> it's all the same
[04:51] <Black_Magic> so if anyone can help its verry much apreciated
[04:52] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Black_Magic, internet meaning wireless? or wired? or both?
[04:54] <ubuntucool123> could it be that i need the boot partition to be first on the disk? I might have set it up wrong...
[04:54] <GhotiPhud> it doesn't have to be first
[04:54] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64062/    is my error now
[04:55] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Zackymc_k, the repos are still in flux, this has happened with a few packages
[04:55] <GhotiPhud> I'm not sure what to tell you
[04:56] <Zackymc_k> so will there be a fix in a update or release date of hardy?
[04:56] <GhotiPhud> most likely, or soon after
[04:56] <peepsalot> RAOF, you around?
[04:57] <GhotiPhud> I've heard it recommended that people wait a few weeks after the releases so these type of small bugs shake out
[04:57] <ToddEDM> hey guys, i was wondering what that command to upgrade to hardy was that someone pasted
[04:58] <peepsalot> RAOF, i was finally able to remove nvidia-glx-new, so I'm trying the nouveau drivers, but I'm stuck in "Low Graphics Mode".  I'm guessing I'm missing some xorg.conf issues.  i think you sent me a link to your xorg.conf the other day, but I can't find it now.
[04:58] <jbroome> !upgrade | ToddEDM
[04:58] <ubotu> ToddEDM: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:59] <ToddEDM> would it be any different if i did a fresh install, or should it be ok
[05:00] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: I have the Hp pavilion tx1499  ... i have no wifi, no nvidia and no sound and no touch screen and i cant install anything form add and remove...should i just reinstall 7.10 for a few more weeks?
[05:01] <GhotiPhud> I'd say it would be a good bet
[05:01] <RAOF> peepsalot: http://pastebin.ca/994124
[05:01] <GhotiPhud> how do you like that tablet by the way
[05:01] <GhotiPhud> I've been looking at those
[05:02] <DanaG> ARGH!
[05:02] <DanaG> Wine is singularly unusable on my machine.
[05:02] <DanaG> I type one capital letter, and SHIFT GETS STUCK DOWN FOREVER THEREAFTER>
[05:02] <DanaG> (I"M IMITATING THE RESULT)
[05:03] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: and just discovered that i have no screen saver too.... im going back to 7.10. if i reinstall... will my boot parameters still be there (noapic irqpoll) and the tablet it awesome i live it and it came with 3gb of ram... but it rocks
[05:03] <Zackymc_k> love it*
[05:04] <DanaG> Better back up xorg.conf.
[05:04] <DanaG> New one doesn't include tablet stuff.
[05:05] <GhotiPhud> boot parameters don't carry over
[05:05] <ToddEDM> oooooooooooh im upgrading.. this is intense!
[05:05] <ToddEDM> haha
[05:06] <Zackymc_k> ok thanks for the help
[05:07] <ToddEDM> 1 hour remaining! wow
[05:07] <ToddEDM> 1.5 hours.. uhhg
[05:07] <iMatter> Would anyone know if DHCLIENT is faulty in hardy?
[05:07] <iMatter> it doesnt seem to work anymore
[05:07] <iMatter> just gives permission denied
[05:07] <Zackymc_k> what is a easy way to reinstall? :)
[05:08] <iMatter> matter fact anything i try and install gives that (things related to DHCP so you can manually do the CLI thing)
[05:08] <iMatter> i tried dhclient and dhcpcd those dont work
[05:08] <GhotiPhud> ﻿Zackymc_k, do you have your /home in a separate partition?
[05:08] <iMatter> yes with root privilages
[05:08] <GhotiPhud> if not, while you're reinstalling, I suggest setting it up
[05:12] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: if i have vista and i want to reinstall ubuntu how would i do that...in vista just delete the ubuntu partition and reinstall to "free space"?
[05:13] <Meshezabeel> heya, I cannot seem to play dvds anymore, is this a common problem in hardy?
[05:13] <GhotiPhud> what does your ubuntu install look like?
[05:13] <GhotiPhud> how many gigs?
[05:14] <Zackymc_k> about 3.7... do you mean what is installed?
[05:14] <peepsalot> RAOF, what does the "Virtual 3000 2000" line do?  that is really your resolution?
[05:14] <GhotiPhud> the partition you gave it
[05:14] <Zackymc_k> oh 9.89gb
[05:15] <peepsalot> RAOF, not sure what to set mine to
[05:15] <GhotiPhud> hmmm, for me... I have 10 G for XP, 10 G for Ubuntu, 50 G for home, 1 G swap
[05:16] <RAOF> peepsalot: The Virtual line sets the maximum possible combined resolution of all outputs plugged in.
[05:16] <GhotiPhud> I store all the OS agnostic stuff on the 50 Gb partition, such as video, music
[05:16] <peepsalot> RAOF, is it requireD?
[05:17] <Zackymc_k> i have 130gb for vista and 9.89gb for ubuntu i have 3gb of ram so... and i dont care about the files on ubuntu
[05:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: If you want dual-head to work correctly, yes.
[05:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: So, for my laptop with at 1680x1050 screen, and an external 1280x1024 LCD, I add up 1680+1280 and get about 3000, which is a nice round number :)
[05:17] <GhotiPhud> so, just playing around with Ubuntu?
[05:18] <peepsalot> RAOF, doesn't matter that it's over?
[05:18] <RAOF> peepsalot: No, not really.
[05:18]  * DanaG will likely be getting 1920x1200.... nice.
[05:18] <DanaG> I wonder... how well would an ATI HD2600 play Blu-Ray in Linux, assuming I decrypted the disk....
[05:19] <x1250> has someone been able to synchronize evolution email data with unison?
[05:19] <DanaG> ... and turned off Compiz while playing.
[05:19] <Zackymc_k> more or less i use it for the speed and to learn more about it for future use
[05:19] <x1250> synching ~/.evolution does not work
[05:19] <RAOF> peepsalot: If you _don't_ have a Virtual line, then X sets the Virtal line to be the largest screen dimension of the currently enabled monitors.  Which, for me, would be 1680x1680, which would mean I couldn't do anything but clone.
[05:20] <GhotiPhud> you're set then, I just separate the partition so that I can reinstall Ubuntu and keep all the settings for programs
[05:20] <x1250> I'm trying to synch my desktop evolution with my laptop
[05:21] <peepsalot> RAOF, i see, thanks
[05:21] <Zackymc_k> GhotiPhud: so do i pop the disk in then reinstall to the partition?
[05:21] <GhotiPhud> yeah
[05:23] <iMatter> Would anyone know if DHCLIENT is faulty in hardy? most client like things that have to do with DHCP dont work just gives permission denied even with sudo infront or i do su first or sudo -i even tried chmod +ing it those still dont work so makes it imposible to manually try and connect to network
[05:23] <weasy> Hey I just installed and I can't seem to ssh from outside my network.
[05:23] <weasy> is there some firewall I don't know about?
[05:24] <Zackymc_k> well if i can get the live cd to work without doin this http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/Help/photo#5191494634579094130
[05:25] <GhotiPhud> crazyness
[05:25] <GhotiPhud> safe graphics mode
[05:25] <Zackymc_k> same thing
[05:25] <GhotiPhud> what card is in that?
[05:26] <Meshezabeel> the ace of spades I think
[05:26] <Zackymc_k> nvidia Geforce 6150
[05:26] <Meshezabeel> oh, yeah, that one
[05:26] <kunkun> Ohh, old card ey.
[05:26] <Lynoure> iMatter: most likely not dhclient, but something with your nic
[05:26] <GhotiPhud> lol
[05:27] <RAOF> weasy: By 'outside your network', do you mean something like "I've got a router which connects to the internet & a bunch of computers connected to it"?
[05:27] <GhotiPhud> no, 9 of clubs
[05:27] <Zackymc_k> well its stock so i gota get a new one
[05:28] <Lynoure> GhotiPhud: out of nagging curiousity, is that nick pronounced 'fishfad'?
[05:28] <RAOF> weasy: If so, welcome to the fun of NAT.
[05:28] <GhotiPhud> fish food
[05:28] <GhotiPhud> lol
[05:28] <Chris|> if i do apt-get dist-upgrade from gutsy minimal installation will it be the same as hardy heron minimal installation, right?
[05:28] <RAOF> Chris|: No.
[05:28] <Lynoure> GhotiPhud: :)
[05:28] <Zackymc_k> so im at the partitioning do i do to manual then click the box that is the 9.89gb drive and hit next
[05:28] <Chris|> RAOF what would be the difference?
[05:28] <RAOF> Chris|: If you do 'do-release-upgrade' from a gutsy minimal installation that should be the same as a hardy minimal installation.
[05:29] <Chris|> ah thanky :) RAOF
[05:29] <GhotiPhud> yes, manual
[05:29] <RAOF> Chris|: The upgrader knows more, basically; it can remove things that we know aren't needed, and generally work around problems we've found.
[05:29] <GhotiPhud> you might have to tell it to set the 10 Gig as /
[05:29] <Chris|> makes sense ty
[05:30] <Zackymc_k> sorry but...how (yes im a noob sorry)
[05:30] <Lynoure> iMatter: Unless you have tried with a static ip and that has ruled out all your problems (then I'd suspect the dhcp server first)
[05:31] <GhotiPhud> oh, edit it and mount point should be "/"
[05:31] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, i think my card is not supported at all, i got some errors from nouveau "unknown reg ...",  "Init table comment not found",  "LVDS table revision not supported", etc
[05:31] <weasy> Raof I mean I am at work trying to SSH in and it fails
[05:32] <Zackymc_k> in partition manager?
[05:32] <GhotiPhud> in the install
[05:32] <RAOF> weasy: Yes.  And your home machine is behind a router?
[05:32] <weasy> yes
[05:32] <RAOF> weasy: Because if that is the case, you'll need to set up port forwarding on the router.
[05:32] <weasy> I have it set to dmz to my ubuntu
[05:32] <cyclonut> any design types here who'd like their name on a website?
[05:32] <RAOF> peepsalot: Come in to #nouveau :)
[05:32] <weasy> RAOF shouldn't my dmz take care of that?
[05:33] <RAOF> weasy: I don't know, basically.
[05:33] <Zackymc_k> to make it easy can i just use the partition manager to make the current 10gb drive to free space and then use the "install to free space" option in the install?
[05:34] <RAOF> weasy: That'd depend on your router, probably.  Does it work at home, with two systems behind your NAT?
[05:34] <GhotiPhud> I think when you tell it to install to free space, it makes some swap by default
[05:34] <Zackymc_k> what if the swap is there already?
[05:34] <GhotiPhud> if you were wanting it all to be the root, then you may have to do manual
[05:35] <GhotiPhud> good question
[05:35] <weasy> let me try
[05:35] <GhotiPhud> I have no clue
[05:35] <Zackymc_k> can i make that free space as well to be safe?
[05:35] <GhotiPhud> yeah
[05:36] <GhotiPhud> that should work
[05:36] <SpartanII117> Zackymc_k: uou still have to specify it manually.
[05:36] <SpartanII117> making it free space will work
[05:37] <Zackymc_k> okay so im gona /dev/sda4 & 5 to free space and the 10gb as well? im kinda nervous every install
[05:38] <GhotiPhud> sda4 and 5 are what?
[05:39] <Zackymc_k> one is extended and the other is linux swap
[05:39] <GhotiPhud> ah, leave the extended
[05:39] <Zackymc_k> ok
[05:40] <Zackymc_k> making it free space will give me that option to not have to do it manual "SpartanII117> Zackymc_k: uou still have to specify it manually."
[05:40] <GhotiPhud> yes
[05:41] <WorkingOnWise> what does it take to get a bluetooth A2DP headset working in Hardy?
[05:42] <Zackymc_k> there is a lock next to the swap..and wont let me delete it
[05:42] <Zackymc_k> do i hit Swapoff
[05:42] <GhotiPhud> yes
[05:42] <RAOF> WorkingOnWise: I'd hope that right-clicking on the bluetooth icon in the notification area, Preferences->Services->Audio Service should allow you to enable it there.
[05:43] <weasy> RAOF I can't get on from behind network either
[05:43] <weasy> What should i do?
[05:44] <GhotiPhud> sorry I can't stay longer Zackymc_k, it's nearly 1 AM here
[05:44] <GhotiPhud> bedtime
[05:44] <WorkingOnWise> RAOF: I get Couldn't display "obex://[00:0D:FD:11:83:75]/". Host down when I try to connect.
[05:45] <Zackymc_k> is there a thanks button?
[05:45] <DarphBobo> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xfonts-artwiz"
[05:45] <DarphBobo> artwiz fonts not available in hardy?
[05:46] <DanaG> ﻿wtf? htop thinks my uptime is 3681 days.
[05:46] <Krzzzz> hello folks
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:48] <Krzzzz> im getting the folowing error after updating
[05:48] <RAOF> weasy: Hm.  I presume you've actually installed the openssh-server package?
[05:48] <Krzzzz> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:48] <Krzzzz> the install went fine
[05:48] <Krzzzz> but when i do go ahead and enter that command it mentions a kernel image that i never installed
[05:49] <Krzzzz> Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[05:49] <Krzzzz> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x86
[05:49] <Krzzzz> Cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x86
[05:49] <Krzzzz> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x86
[05:49] <Krzzzz> dpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:49] <Krzzzz> im guessin this is a bug
[05:49] <dubby> hey anyone im running Ubuntu hardy, and have all the kde libs, as well as compiz, anycase when i run ksudoku (3d sudoku) its reallly choppy
[05:49] <Zackymc_k> Who is 32bit and 64bit savvy?
[05:49] <SpartanII117> Krzzzz: did you look at it in synaptic?
[05:50] <SpartanII117> Zackymc_k:  i kindof am
[05:50] <Krzzzz> i remember seeing it in there but never installed it
[05:50] <Krzzzz> i simply have the generic ones ending in 16
[05:50] <Krzzzz> i did an update today and then that mistake comes up
[05:50] <Zackymc_k> do you know anything about tx1000
[05:50] <SpartanII117> Krzzzz:  go in and make sure it's not installed
[05:51] <Krzzzz> it wont let me go into synaptics
[05:51] <SpartanII117> zack no, what is it?
[05:51] <Zackymc_k> tablet pc...but im wonderin if i should install the 32 bit for better compatibly?
[05:52] <iMatter> Lynoure: What could the DHCP server problem be?
[05:52] <SpartanII117> compatibility should be the same on all the open drivers at least.
[05:53] <Zackymc_k> the tx1000 has these problem with 64... sound,wifi,touch screen, nvidia, and other stuff but i wonder...if i was on 32...
[05:54] <SpartanII117> you can always try it
[05:54] <Zackymc_k> not to mention the fingerprint reader and the on-board webcam
[05:54] <Zackymc_k> ok
[05:55]  * BHSPitMonkey is shopping for a laptop
[05:55] <Lynoure> iMatter: So, you tried with static already? Could be pretty much anything, check the logs on it if you manage it?
[05:58] <xngear> what triaged bug status mean?
[05:58] <Zackymc_k> Considering that im going back to 7.10 i guess that i have to leave, right?
[06:02] <weasy> How do I allow other machines to ssh into ubuntu
[06:02] <teamcobra> sudo apt-get install sshd
[06:02] <RAOF> weasy: You have acutally installed the openssh-server package, right?
[06:03] <teamcobra> have ssh-hpn patches been applied to the ubuntu ssh?
[06:03] <weasy> there is a openssh server?
[06:03] <weasy> I am used to suse
[06:03] <weasy> easy breezy
[06:04] <RAOF> weasy: Ah, right.  No, we don't install an ssh server by default.
[06:04] <RAOF> weasy: So, you'll need to install one before sshing in will work :)
[06:04] <teamcobra> kinda dangerous
[06:04] <weasy> so apt-get install open-ssh/
[06:04] <teamcobra> hrm, 1 day til final, I can't wait ;)
[06:04] <RAOF> weasy: openssh-server is the package you're after.
[06:05] <teamcobra> is there any jigdo-type method that would let me make an iso off today's version? ;)
[06:05] <xngear> i just used "ssh" for install it. it is not only install ssh, but also configure it and autorun, unlike fedora
[06:07] <xngear> its probably alias
[06:07] <weasy> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[06:07] <weasy> worked
[06:07] <weasy> now I can work from work lol
[06:07] <RAOF> xngear: It's a metapackage, yes.
[06:17] <jgoo> I installed the ms fonts on ubuntu, but afterwards the dialog said I need to install ... it... itt? something else... I just dismissed it.
[06:17] <jgoo> I've installed the fonts, and I am using tft sub pixel smoothing, but in firefox the kerning is atrocious
[06:17] <jgoo> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GRAILS/Grails+Audit+Logging+Plugin < this page I am looking at
[06:18] <jgoo> on mine... H ibernate compared to hibernate kerning... and gg's are too close. Is there a step I missed in improving font rendering for the web? In pidgin and other gnome apps it looks great
[06:20] <px> w00t my upgrade to hardy went smoothly
[06:21] <teamcobra> px: w00t w00t
[06:26] <n0yd> Why is it that the top gnome-panel in 8.04 cannot be removed?  Is there a way around this?
[06:26] <px> i'm not used to how ssh now knows about the pubkeys
[06:27] <crdlb> n0yd: but the bottom one can?
[06:27] <n0yd> crdlb: right
[06:27] <crdlb> n0yd: are you trying to remove both panels, or just one?
[06:27] <n0yd> Both
[06:27] <crdlb> if you want to remove both, you must remove gnome-panel from the session
[06:27] <bjron> I'm having trouble connecting to my wireless with Hardy.  I booted an old Dapper CD and got connected with that, so now I'm wondering, what information should I be collecting to help identify what's different in Hardy?
[06:29] <n0yd> crdlb: remove it from gconf?
[06:29] <crdlb> n0yd: gnome-session-remove gnome-panel might owrk
[06:30] <n0yd> crdlb: heh, i dont think it likes that.
[06:30] <n0yd> It just sits there, doing nothing.
[06:30]  * n0yd trolls through gconf
[06:39] <n0yd> crdlb: ya, I can't figure it out.  I can kill it, but of course each time I restart X it will be respawned.
[06:42] <Prez00> bjron: what wifi hardware u got?
[06:42] <bjron> Prez00: Atheros AR5001X
[06:43] <topyli> n0yd: strange. gnome-session-remove doesn't seem to be any gnome-session-removing
[06:43] <topyli> n0yd: even gnome-session-remove --list doesnt work
[06:44] <bjron> Prez00: or at least that's what windows says it is - lspci reports the chipset as AR5211 (I think I just rebooted to try the Hardy CD again)
[06:44] <n0yd> topyli: ya it doesnt do anything
[06:44] <teamcobra> bjron: use 2.6.25
[06:44] <teamcobra> I'm working on packages right now
[06:44] <teamcobra> adds ath5k hardware driver
[06:44] <topyli> n0yd: never used it before though, i don't know if im doing it right
[06:45] <bjron> teamcobra: oh colo
[06:45] <bjron> err cool
[06:45] <n0yd> ya thats right
[06:45] <topyli> the man page suggests that usage is pretty straightforward
[06:45] <Prez00> teamcobra: is there a known bug un deafult hardy kernel with AR5211?
[06:46] <bjron> teamcobra: quite strange in Hardy, can see all the networks etc, and it looks like I connect, but can never get an ip
[06:46] <Prez00> bjron: did u at any point try manually configuring the interface?
[06:46] <bjron> Prez00: yea doesn't work any better
[06:47] <Prez00> bjron: this might have something to do with it, just maybe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/185209
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185209 in network-manager "[hardy] Manually Configuring Network Causes Massive, Unreversable, Failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:47] <bjron> oh, interesting . . .lemme I'll have to read
[06:48] <teamcobra> prez00: not sure, but I thought that more cards were added in the newer ath5k
[06:48] <bjron> but that's why I'm about to try via the hardy livecd, just in case I screwed something up in my install
[06:48] <teamcobra> I could be wrong, I have a broadcom 4311 rev02
[06:48] <Ragnarel> hi, I got this in my syslog: "Apr 23 06:42:25 CoLD-iRiS kernel: [663351.110509] FAT: Directory bread(block 76386) failed" what mean?
[06:49] <n0yd> topyli: meh, I just removed the gnome-panel pkg for now.
[06:49] <n0yd> Good enough
[06:50] <topyli> n0yd: why do you run gnome at all? create an xsession with just enough gnome for you
[06:50] <Prez00> were any of you here when gutsy was ubuntu+1?  are there more, less, same number of bugs at this point before release compared tu gutsy?
[06:50] <topyli> no0tic: window manager, the daemons you want, nautilus
[06:51] <teamcobra> Prez: I wasn't, been a slackware user for 12 years
[06:51] <Ronald> Prez00: tbh, i get a somewhat redhatty feel, while gutsy and before felt rocksolid before release to me. (around redhat 5 or 6 there was a joke, redhat likes living on the bleeding edge, but leaves the bleeding up to you)
[06:52] <x1250> damn amule. Just a moments ago a friend unplugged the router and amule begun to eat all my ram till a hard lockup
[06:52] <x1250> pretty nasty
[06:53] <Ronald> thats an idicidual app...
[06:53] <Ronald> with a v
[06:53] <Prez00> yeah, seems last time there were less critical bugs at this point y cycle..
[06:54] <n0yd> topyli: because outside of gnome-panel, I use all of gnome.
[06:54] <Prez00> goodnight all..
[06:54] <n0yd> I like a functional desktop, just not gnome-panel.
[06:54] <Ronald> Prez00: while mozilla really tries for quality releases, i feel using ff3beta is jumping the gun
[06:54] <topyli> Prez00: all i see is a few annoyances. gutsy didn't work properly for me all, ever
[06:55] <Prez00> topyli: good to hear... let's hope u are right..
[06:55] <bjron> heh, modinfo ath_pci didn't even give me the version from Dapper
[06:55] <bjron> srcversion, sure, but no actual version #
[06:57] <AdrianStrays> I'm using Ubuntu Studio and would like to upgrade to the RC of Ubuntu Studio.  I am unsure of how to do this, can anyone give me some pointers?
[06:57] <Ronald> AdrianStrays: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[06:58] <topyli> AdrianStrays: update-manager -d
[06:58] <topyli> Ronald: no
[06:59] <AdrianStrays> It says the a new distrubution is available, but how do I know it won't install a standard Hardy update?
[06:59] <topyli> Ronald: 1) at least the repositories should be changed, and dist-upgrade used, and 2) dist-upgrade is not supported or recommended or even very smart
[07:00] <Ronald> topyli: oh sorry, i assumed he was running a beta of studio-hardy, which is off the same repositories
[07:00] <topyli> AdrianStrays: no idea
[07:00] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: What?  What are you concerned with?
[07:00] <topyli> AdrianStrays: i assume changing an ubuntu installation to studio is trivial though
[07:01] <Ronald> my hardy is from the beta release, surely nothing for update-manager to do to get it to 'rc'
[07:01] <Flannel> Ronald: Thats just regular updates.  If you keep up with regular updates, you're already there, and then some.
[07:01] <topyli> Ronald: right
[07:01] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I am currently running Ubuntu Studio Gusty, and would like to update to The Studio Hardy RC.
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I looked at the update manager, and it shows that a new release is available, but how do I know it won't update me to a standard Hardy RC
[07:02] <bjron> well, the liveCD doesn't work any better, so I don't think I hosed my network settings on my install
[07:02] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: What do you have now?  do you have ubuntustudio-desktop installed?
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Topyli, No, Ubuntu Studio has a slightly modified kernel, one which is better at running musical programs
[07:02] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, I believe so
[07:02] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: Its still trivial to switch between the two
[07:03] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: then you'll upgrade to ubuntu studio
[07:03] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: Its all more or less the same anyway, all the same Distro, just different flavors.
[07:03] <teamcobra> adrian: I run the rt kernel on my ubuntu laptop too
[07:03] <Ronald> AdrianStrays: the flavours of ubuntu differ in a meta package being installed with certain dependencies... they make you get kde for kubuntu, gnome for ubuntu and all
[07:03] <teamcobra> there's a package, no worries
[07:03] <Flannel> but yes, ubuntustudio-desktop is the proper metapackage.
[07:03] <teamcobra> ls
[07:03] <topyli> AdrianStrays: better ask on #ubuntustudio though
[07:03] <teamcobra> erp, sorry
[07:04]  * DanaG ﻿ ¥€££S out loud.
[07:04] <AdrianStrays> Topyli, no one is ever on there.
[07:04] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: then take our word for it ;)
[07:04] <teamcobra> DanaG: you get paid?
[07:05] <DanaG> Naah, I'm just responding to somebody saying "1337" by saying "£€€T"
[07:05] <DanaG> ... and then finding the Yen symbol.
[07:05] <topyli> AdrianStrays: well the worst that could happen is you'll have to install the kernel and the desktop metapackage post-upgrade
[07:05] <bjron> teamcobra: how do you recommend I get 2.6.25?
[07:06] <teamcobra> bjron: do you run x86 or 64-bit?
[07:06] <topyli> AdrianStrays: looks like the standard ubuntu repositories have the ubuntustudio packages so your upgrade should be painless
[07:06] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, regardless of whether or not its trivial, the procress of going from studio-gusty, to hardy, to studio-hardy is more drawn out than going from studio-gusty to studio-hardy.  I am asking if I can do it one simple download, rather than having to spread it out.
[07:06] <Aval0n_> hey guys, what is the command to configure compiz?
[07:06] <Aval0n_> so I can enable/disable the cube etc...
[07:07] <Ronald> install compiz-config-manager something package
[07:07] <topyli> AdrianStrays: since you have ubuntustudio installed, i would assume that upgrade-manager will upgrade them
[07:07]  * Hobbsee suggests people help out with testing
[07:07] <bjron> teamcobra: the laptop in question is 32 bit
[07:07] <Aval0n_> i thought it was liks ccsm
[07:07] <Aval0n_> or something
[07:08] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: To go from studio to non-studio, you would have to install the ubuntu-desktop package, unless you do so, you won't.
[07:08] <teamcobra> bjron: cool, hang on for about 20 or so
[07:08] <bjron> k sounds good
[07:09] <teamcobra> I'm making an x86 package right now... nvidia in the laptop?
[07:09] <CaptMorgan> hey, just upgraded to 8.04 and have a quick question, under Appearance > Visual Effects the custom setting isnt there but Advanced Desktop Effects is in Prefrences, how can I make it use advanced compiz settings?
[07:09] <Aval0n_> exit
[07:09] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, so if it doesn't work that way and I come on here pouting, are you going to be ready to accept the whinning? :D
[07:09] <bjron> hmm, concievably, I could just build the ath5k module for the kernel I have right?
[07:09] <Flannel> AdrianStrays: It can't not work that way.  It works entirely based on metapackages.
[07:10] <AdrianStrays> Flannel, alright, alright. I trust you
[07:10] <AdrianStrays> Here we go....
[07:10] <topyli> AdrianStrays: and no, no whining is allowed :)
[07:11] <topyli> on +1 anyway. unstable versions are not supported
[07:11] <negge^> CaptMorgan: you'll have to install the compiz manager from synaptic
[07:11] <negge^> then there will be another item in the Preferences menu that lets you adjust everything
[07:11] <negge^> atleast that's how I did it
[07:12] <CaptMorgan> Negge^ - it is already installed, I updated I didnt do a fresh install so maybe uninstall and reinstall?
[07:12] <negge^> hmm then I'm not sure
[07:12] <topyli> CaptMorgan: it won't appear in the appearances dialog
[07:12] <negge^> only done fresh installs a couple of times
[07:12] <topyli> CaptMorgan: just run it from the menu
[07:12] <Ronald> CaptMorgan: does it show in the system>prefs menu?
[07:13] <negge^> it's supposed to be over or under Appearances
[07:14] <CaptMorgan> If I goto System > Preferences I can open and adjust the Advanced Desktop effects they just arent on, in 7.10 in Apperance I would choose Custom under visual effects
[07:14] <Ronald> just above
[07:14] <pen> is there other ways to make alsa use pulseaudio besides the perfect setup steps?
[07:14] <Ronald> advanced desktop effects settings
[07:15] <Ronald> if its not there, verify you have "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[07:15] <crdlb> you don't really need to set it to custom
[07:16] <pen> no other ways?
[07:19] <Ronald> simple-ccsm is nice too
[07:24] <sdakak> When is the release party? :-)
[07:31] <EvoxVIII> hello.
[07:31] <EvoxVIII> anyone here?
[07:31] <bjron> EvoxVIII: yes, ppl are here
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> ok.
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> I need some help with Hardy Heron
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> I used Wubi and installed Hardy with my Vista installation. everything is great and good.
[07:32] <EvoxVIII> But When I boot into Ubuntu it wont pick up my wifi card.
[07:33] <zcat[1]> !wifi
[07:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:33] <teamcobra> bjron: compiling, made sure ath5k was enabled ;)
[07:33] <zcat[1]> lots of wifi cards are still not well supported, not even in ubuntu :(
[07:34] <dystopianray> EvoxVIII: what wifi card do you have?
[07:34] <teamcobra> zcat: lots of new wifi drivers in 2.6.25 (just went through make xconfig for the git3 ver)
[07:34] <bjron> teamcobra: good deal.  Would be nice if I could figure out why the madwifi drivers aren't working for me though, for the sake of anyone else with the same issue
[07:34] <teamcobra> bjron: you have a newer card, I believe
[07:34] <EvoxVIII> ok that doesnt really help me.
[07:34] <teamcobra> lots of people w/ that chipset having probs w/ madwifi, ath5k solved it
[07:34] <teamcobra> evox: lspci
[07:34] <EvoxVIII> my card isnt listed.
[07:34] <teamcobra> to find your wifi card
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> ?
[07:35] <bjron> teamcobra: nah, the laptop is something like 4 years old at least
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> lspci?
[07:35] <teamcobra> in a terminal, type lspci
[07:35] <zcat[1]> what's frustrating though, my broadcom used to work pretty good in gutsy, I haven't been able to use it at all since hardy :( It can see the AP sometimes but never connects to it.
[07:35] <teamcobra> if it's a usb card, type lsusb
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> well I know what kind of card I have.
[07:35] <dystopianray> teamcobra: isn't ath5k the only new wifi driver in 2.6.25?
[07:35] <EvoxVIII> I have a Realtek
[07:35] <dystopianray> zcat[1]: are you using ndiswrapper?
[07:35] <teamcobra> dystopianray, I saw a new intel driver too w/ spectrum analysis and other cool stuff
[07:36] <dystopianray> teamcobra: oh really?
[07:36] <dystopianray> teamcobra: for what hardware?
[07:36] <bjron> zcat[1]: seems that's a common experience around here, unfortunately (mine was working in dapper, donno about the more recent releases)
[07:36] <teamcobra> dystopianray, didn't really look
[07:36] <EvoxVIII> and how do I edit the settings in Ubuntu.
[07:36] <teamcobra> evox: what model number is it
[07:36] <zcat[1]> nope. was using bcm43xx-firmware (from cafuego?) now there seems to be bcm43 and b43 modules... and eevrything is horribly broken. Not in a rush to fix it, I have a PCI card and a USB wifi adapter that still work :)
[07:36] <EvoxVIII> hold on.
[07:37] <dystopianray> zcat[1]: i'd recommend trying ndiswrapper
[07:37] <DanaG> b43-fwcutter is different from bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:37] <teamcobra> if it's an 8187, open a terminal, and type "sudo rmmod rtl8187 ; sudo modprobe rtl8187"  w/o quotes
[07:37] <DanaG> Beats me why the firwmare is different.
[07:37] <JPSman> So I am now using hardy, and my wireless options have truncated alot
[07:37] <teamcobra> zcat: what ver broadcom cards?
[07:38] <zcat[1]> screw ndis, I want to use free drivers as far as possible.. and the free drivers used to work, I just need to sort them out again and get the right firmware isntalled I think
[07:38] <teamcobra> yeh, ndiswrapper is evil
[07:38] <SuperQ> crap
[07:38] <teamcobra> zcat: what ver bcm cards? there was a patch that had to be regressed in the .24 series, fixed in .25 (bcm4311rev02 was affected)
[07:38] <SuperQ> speaking of wifi
[07:39] <dystopianray> ndiswrapper may be evil, but it works more times than the FOSS drivers do
[07:39] <zcat[1]> no idea.. not on the lappy right now..
[07:39] <SuperQ> it looks like iwl4965 (newer intel A/B/N card) drivers are somewhat out of date in hardy
[07:39] <teamcobra> dystopianray: and makes kernels panic
[07:39] <dystopianray> i've never seen that
[07:39] <px> so everytime i login i have to use xev to get my mouse wheel to work
[07:40] <zcat[1]> I'll probably end up doing a clean install when hardy's out anyhow, just to see how it goes
[07:40] <teamcobra> dystopianray: I've had 2 laptops that would crash every 3 hrs if ndiswrapper was used
[07:40] <teamcobra> and only 1 firmware would work properly w/ ndiswrapper
[07:40] <teamcobra> blech
[07:40] <SuperQ> teamcobra: :(
[07:40] <dystopianray> teamcobra: what wifi card were they using?
[07:40] <teamcobra> zcat: yeah, but if they're bcm4311rev02s, they're still no good in the final
[07:40] <EvoxVIII> hey teamcobra: I have a Realtek rtl8187B
[07:41] <zcat[1]> I just dislike ndis on principle.. I also remove fspot and tomboy from ubuntu as soon as I
[07:41] <teamcobra> broadcom bcm4311rev2
[07:41] <SuperQ> EvoxVIII: haha
[07:41] <zcat[1]> 've finished the isntall
[07:41] <teamcobra> evox: paste that line from earlier in a terminal
[07:41] <teamcobra> and see if the card workd
[07:41] <JPSman> Has anyone else noticed a huge decrease in the number of available wireless networks using 8.04?
[07:41] <teamcobra> works
[07:41] <patifa> No, I got a huge increase.
[07:41] <SuperQ> EvoxVIII: a friend had one of those in a cheap laptop.. USB thing.. ended up getting him a linksys external USB adapter
[07:41] <EvoxVIII> well that would mean I have to close windows and boot into ubuntu.
[07:41] <EvoxVIII> well mines not bad.
[07:41] <teamcobra> rtl8187s PWN
[07:42] <Lynoure> JPSman: No difference here
[07:42] <teamcobra> I have an alfa 500mw
[07:42] <EvoxVIII> It works great in my gateway.
[07:42] <Jaymac> teamcobra: no "l33t" speak please :)
[07:42] <teamcobra> jaymac: it's the only way to describe its raw power
[07:42] <Jaymac> hehe
[07:42] <teamcobra> Jaymac: wep in 52s
[07:43] <x1250> any download link for a minimal hardy installation iso? something like netinstall for debian...
[07:44] <dystopianray> x1250: i don't think there is such a thing
[07:44] <alex_mayorga> for poor broadcom range check Bug #124159
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124159 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Broadcom bcm43xx Wireless driver regression in gutsy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124159
[07:44] <radoen> hello
[07:45] <alex_mayorga> largely ignored though
[07:45] <radoen> i've trouble whit a mouse on hurdy
[07:45] <radoen> in few word mouse don't work whit hurdy packager on kernel 2.6.24
[07:45] <teamcobra> alex: bcm43xx is replaced in hardy
[07:45] <teamcobra> by b43 and b43legacy
[07:46] <radoen> but whit the same package of hurdy but whit older gusty kernel all works
[07:46] <radoen> what can I do?
[07:46] <DanaG> Hardy seems to be full of regressions.
[07:46] <radoen> lol
[07:47] <teamcobra> that sounds like a module not being compiled in
[07:47] <Alex_Gaynor> I just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/
[07:47] <DanaG> Peopley are goingy to be havy-ing a hardy time dealingy with hardy.
[07:47] <alex_mayorga> teamcobra, we might reasign that bug then
[07:47] <alex_mayorga> the sensitivity of the card remains lame anyway
[07:47] <teamcobra> alex: give b43 or legacy, depending on your card a shot
[07:47] <teamcobra> they redid everything
[07:47] <teamcobra> and it's probably fixed
[07:48] <radoen> alex_mayorga do you know how can I fix the problem?
[07:48] <teamcobra> radoen: are you running 32 bit by chance?
[07:48] <radoen> yha I've 32 bit OS version
[07:48] <x1250> dystopianray: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[07:48] <x1250> :)
[07:49] <teamcobra> radoen: ok, give me a minute, I might have your fix
[07:49] <radoen> lol
[07:49] <radoen> thnk
[07:49] <alex_mayorga> teamcobra, I have a fully updated hardy here, what do you suggest?
[07:49] <teamcobra> I'm not sure if I added any new usb modules to the kernel, but fingers crossed
[07:49] <JPSman> A wireless AP has completely disappeared to my nm-applet, but I KNOW it's there.
[07:49] <teamcobra> alex: hrm, lsmod | grep bcm43xx
[07:49] <teamcobra> to see if bcm43xx is loaded
[07:49] <JPSman> i'm going to try something brb
[07:49] <teamcobra> if it is, rmmod it, and modprobe b43
[07:50] <teamcobra> and blacklist bcm43xx
[07:50] <radoen> ah teamcobra  i use ps2 mouse not an usb
[07:50] <alex_mayorga> I don't have bcm, been on b43 long ago
[07:50] <Alex_Gaynor> ﻿I just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/
[07:51] <DanaG> Leave it.  It's good to keep at least one old major-version kernel.
[07:51] <teamcobra> radoen: hrm, in a terminal, "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and check the mouse driver, set it to auto
[07:51] <Ronald> Alex_Gaynor: inunstall old kernel, its normal this way
[07:51] <teamcobra> alex: hrm..... not sure then, check launchpad for b43 bugs related to that module
[07:51] <Alex_Gaynor> Ronald: How would I do that(never had this before)?
[07:51] <Almindor> I personally don't use compiz but is it going to be unusable (without tweaks) for ati users?
[07:51] <teamcobra> good chance someone's caught it and it's being worked on, they've fixed a lot of tx/rx issues
[07:52] <Almindor> I got fglrx from packages, and I can't turn it on just like that
[07:52] <Alex_Gaynor> Ronald: alex@alex-desktop-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[07:52] <Alex_Gaynor> ?
[07:52] <radoen> Driver		"mouse"
[07:52] <Almindor> from what I understand ATI supports AIGLX in recent drivers
[07:52] <teamcobra> Almindor, yeah, it's a lot better
[07:52] <radoen> i've tu change it in "auto" ?
[07:52] <teamcobra> yes
[07:52] <radoen> k
[07:53] <siimo> im looking forward to upgrading to Intrepid Ibex O_O
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, so why does the appearance manager refuse to turn on compiz?
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, don't tell me the old blacklist still applies :)
[07:53] <teamcobra> almindor: the module probably isn't loaded
[07:53] <radoen> ok reboot and hope
[07:53] <teamcobra> check your xorg.conf and make sure it's fglrx in the driver section
[07:53] <Almindor> teamcobra, "mobule"? I got full 3d
[07:53] <teamcobra> rad:L wait
[07:53] <teamcobra> rad: control +alt+bkspc
[07:53] <teamcobra> will restart x, no rebooting ;)
[07:53] <Almindor> fglrx is loaded
[07:53] <teamcobra> almindor: then it should work
[07:54] <teamcobra> weird
[07:54] <Ronald> Almindor: works fine on my x1400
[07:54] <Ronald> out of th box
[07:54]  * Almindor has mobility x1600
[07:54] <Almindor> note: 64bit
[07:54] <radoen> teamcobra, I've to switch kernel version
[07:54] <Ronald> same chip...
[07:54] <teamcobra> still should work out of the box
[07:54] <teamcobra> rad: ohh yeah
[07:54] <Ronald> 64 bit eh
[07:54] <radoen> eheh
[07:54] <Ronald> i run 32
[07:54] <radoen> see you early
[07:54] <radoen> i hope
[07:54] <radoen> :)
[07:54] <teamcobra> k
[07:54] <bjron> teamcobra: build done yet?
[07:55] <Ronald> unless you run 4GB memory or more, not much disadvantage running 32bit
[07:55] <teamcobra> bj: still chunking on the amd athlon x2
[07:55] <Ronald> and better support that way
[07:55] <Almindor> teamcobra, Ronald http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b0http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b0
[07:55] <bjron> k
[07:55] <Almindor> notice that last line
[07:55] <JPSman> sure enough - its the kernal version.  The newest Kernal for some reason blocks most of my APs from being seen
[07:55] <teamcobra> I run 32 for ASIO in wine
[07:55] <teamcobra> only reason I run 32bit
[07:55] <Almindor> /usr/bin/compiz I reinstalled (deleted manually re-installed compiz packages) and yes the /usr/local/bin path is in the script
[07:55] <JPSman> Under what section can I report this?
[07:56] <bjron> teamcobra: might head to bed soon - this going to show up in the repos soon?  or where can I get it?
[07:56] <Locky> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[07:56] <teamcobra> Almindor: make sure the compiz package is enabled
[07:56] <teamcobra> bjron: nop, not going to be in repos
[07:56] <Almindor> teamcobra, it's installed if that's what you mean, the extension is on in xorg.conf too
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, note however that there's no /usr/local/bin/compiz :)
[07:57] <teamcobra> /usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[07:57] <pen> anyone here using audacity??
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, yes but that's a problem of the scripot
[07:57] <Almindor> teamcobra, no package installs anything to /usr/local
[07:57] <teamcobra> ahh right
[07:57] <teamcobra> why's it looking for xgl and not aiglx?
[07:58] <kahrytan> WoW. DCC send?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: staff are on it
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, good question too
[07:58] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: yeah, explit
[07:58] <Hobbsee> er, exploit
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, perhaps the x86_64 one is borked
[07:58] <teamcobra> almindor: try installing ccsm
[07:58] <teamcobra> and maybe reinstalling compiz
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, simple-ccsm?
[07:58] <teamcobra> uhm, I think
[07:58] <Ronald> teamcobra: doesn't do a thing while he's still on metacity
[07:58] <teamcobra> unless they're is ccsm
[07:58] <Almindor> teamcobra, I reinstalled compiz before, even deleted the /usr/bin/compiz before to ensure it's new
[07:59] <teamcobra> Ronald: I'm puzzled, maybe you can help
[07:59] <teamcobra> (I don't use ati)
[07:59] <Ronald> well my laptop is on ati
[07:59] <Almindor> 64bit?
[08:00] <Ronald> which i'm setting up on its evil windows side atm... and its a 32bit core(1) duo
[08:00] <insomninja> Is it only me or does anybody else experience firefox constantly freesing in 5-10s time chunks?
[08:00] <Almindor> insomninja, I'm getting odd hdd/cpu 100% activities lately, not sure if it's ff related tho
[08:01] <Almindor> gtg
[08:01] <teamcobra> almin: wait
[08:01] <Almindor> what
[08:01] <Ronald> Almindor: sorry, cannot help you with 64bitness.... you sure fglrx is being used ? (check restricted driver manager)
[08:01] <teamcobra> you're using the legacyhuman theme and not human
[08:01] <teamcobra> might be the problem
[08:01] <insomninja> Almindor, I get a lot of ata2.00 messages too
[08:01]  * Almindor doesn't have the theme selected, I use clearlooks AFAIK
[08:02] <Ronald> don't think the theme is the issue. both compiz and metacity will run the same theme afaik
[08:02] <kahrytan> The best human theme is HumanLooks GTK.
[08:02] <teamcobra> Ronald: yeah, but there are a bunch of theme errors in his pastebin
[08:02] <Almindor> yup, uninstalled it and it doesn't work
[08:02] <Almindor> IMHO it's a 64bit issue
[08:02] <Almindor> some packaging difference perhaps
[08:02] <teamcobra> almindor: it looks 100% like a config issue
[08:03] <teamcobra> 110%
[08:03] <Almindor> I didn't use compiz before
[08:03] <Almindor> never tweaked it
[08:03] <Almindor> but it is an update from 7.10 so who knows
[08:03] <kahrytan> Hobbsee->  ever try HUmanLooks theme?
[08:03] <Almindor> anycase, gtg
[08:03] <Almindor> will be back later, thanks for trying :)
[08:03] <radoen> re-hello
[08:04] <radoen> teamcobra, nothing to do
[08:04] <radoen> mouse don't work
[08:04] <radoen> I've a dmseg | grep mouse output
[08:04] <radoen> can help?
[08:04] <kahrytan> Anyone else run into the 800x600 bug in fullscreen games?
[08:04] <teamcobra> hrmmmmmm
[08:05] <radoen> !pastebin
[08:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[08:05] <radoen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64081/
[08:05] <teamcobra> radoen, whoops, I think that needs to be "Auto" or try "ImPS/2"
[08:06] <radoen> I've set to "auto" but it dont work
[08:06] <teamcobra> sorry for the typo, try the "ImPS/2" first
[08:06] <teamcobra> I think it needs to have the cap :(
[08:06] <radoen> I've try whint end whitout cap
[08:06] <JPSman> wow launchpad is good at suggesting problems.  Turns out that Kernel 2.6.24 is very buggy with rt2x00 drivers :O(
[08:06] <radoen> don't work
[08:07] <teamcobra> cat /dev/input/mice    and move the mouse around
[08:07] <teamcobra> nvm
[08:07] <teamcobra> doesn't work so well
[08:07] <radoen> work
[08:08] <teamcobra> it did? ok, check your xorg.conf again and make sure the device under mouse is /dev/input/mice
[08:09] <radoen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64082/
[08:09] <teamcobra> and try setting "ImPS/2"   .... if that doesn't work, it's a kernel-related prob
[08:09] <radoen> currently is this
[08:09] <phazeman> can someone please post a keyborad configuration part of xorg.conf with more then 1 language configured ? thanks a lot in advance
[08:10] <teamcobra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64084/
[08:10] <teamcobra> (for radoen)
[08:10] <radoen> dome rebbot
[08:11] <radoen> *done
[08:11] <teamcobra> k
[08:12] <JPSman> So I have opted to run the Kernel 2.6.22 for Hardy (because I can use the internet this way) and my graphic res has failed :OP   how can I re-install the graphics portion of Gutsy?
[08:13] <patifa> Have you first tried booting into recovery mode from grub then doing an fix on X11 from the menu?
[08:15] <JPSman> patifa: ?   No I havn't.  How do I do a 'fix' ?  (how do you pronounce that    xeleven?)
[08:15] <patifa> Do you know how to load the grub boot menu upon startup?  It'll either appear if you're dual-booting or you'll get one of those 3 seconds until autoboot, I think, if you only have ubuntu booting.
[08:16] <JPSman> yeah i can grub, but I have never done a safe mode before
[08:16] <patifa> here let me find out exactly what the menu will say
[08:16] <JPSman> :OD   thank you patifa
[08:17] <patifa> so yeah, Escape enters grub menu
[08:17] <JPSman> is it text based?
[08:17] <patifa> yeah
[08:17] <patifa> but there's nothing to type
[08:17] <teamcobra> just hit down and enter
[08:17] <teamcobra> ;p
[08:17] <radoen> I'm back
[08:17] <radoen> nothng
[08:17] <teamcobra> radoen, good news?
[08:17] <teamcobra> auuugh
[08:17] <radoen> don't work
[08:17] <radoen> a question
[08:18] <teamcobra> yes?
[08:18] <patifa> yeah what teamcobra.  When grub launches by hitting escape, you'll get a text menu.  Pick the "(recovery mode)"
[08:18] <patifa> *what teamcobra said
[08:18] <radoen> I've try to cat mouse aoutput at /dev/input/mice or mouse0
[08:18] <radoen> and no out here
[08:18] <radoen> I've red dmseg |grep mouse
[08:18] <JPSman> Patifa: how can i repair X11 once its loaded?
[08:18] <radoen> and
[08:18] <patifa> Anyways JPSman, I'll boot, probably with a lot of text.
[08:19] <JPSman> K
[08:19] <teamcobra> radoen: boot into the new kernel, and type dmesg in a console
[08:19] <teamcobra> see if there are any mouse-related module errors
[08:19] <teamcobra> it seems like a module isn't loaded that should be
[08:19] <patifa> it's all the text normally hidden by the splash screen.  You'll end up eventually on a blueish screen with a white menu.
[08:19] <radoen> [   21.470221] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0
[08:19] <radoen> [   21.474877] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[08:19] <radoen> only these 2 have the work mouse in
[08:19] <radoen> *word
[08:19] <JPSman> Patifa: ok
[08:19] <patifa> Your choices will be, 'resume', 'root', and 'xfix'
[08:19] <teamcobra> radoen: yes and your mouse works right now, right?
[08:20] <radoen> but device /devices/virtual/input/input0 do not exsist
[08:20] <teamcobra> (you're in the good kernel, so to speak?)
[08:20] <radoen> yes now yes
[08:20] <radoen> yha now I'm under
[08:20] <teamcobra> right.... now reboot into the bad one, and dmesg
[08:20] <teamcobra> make note of those 2 mice
[08:20] <radoen>  2.6.22-14-generic
[08:20] <teamcobra> see if both of those mice pop up in the bad kernel
[08:20] <patifa> Pick 'xfix', let it do it's thing.  Then pick 'resume'.  Ubuntu normal boots.  If it 'still' fails, there's some other things to try, but that one is one of your better bets.
[08:20] <radoen> and dmseg on this kernel is
[08:21] <radoen> [   20.527524] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0
[08:21] <radoen> [   20.528300] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[08:21] <radoen> on the other kernel output is the first that i've past here
[08:21] <patifa> So, that's Esc to enter grub if it doesn't already, pick the "(recovery mode)" one.  Wait for boot.  Pick xfix, wait for it to hopefully fix X11 (the graphical subsystem), then pick resume.
[08:21] <JPSman> Thanks Patifa, im off to try it
[08:22] <teamcobra> ok, in the good kernel, do an lsmod
[08:22] <teamcobra> and look for mice-related modules
[08:22] <radoen> radoen@cameretta:~$ lsmod |grep mouse
[08:22] <radoen> psmouse                39952  0
[08:22] <radoen> only that
[08:22] <teamcobra> in the bad one, you'll have to sudo modprobe mousemodulename , and use dmesg to look at the output if it fails
[08:23] <teamcobra> ok, in the bad kernel, sudo modprobe psmouse and see if it fixes it
[08:23] <radoen> ok
[08:23] <radoen> reboot and try
[08:23] <radoen> FS ceck is coming
[08:23] <radoen> XD
[08:23] <radoen> too many reboot
[08:26] <mrtimdog> Hi, is there a way of changing gnome panel applet foregrounds (window list, clock, etc.)?
[08:26] <mrtimdog> I've tried suggested ways from Google of changing .gtkrc.mine, but no luck.
[08:27] <patifa> what do you mean by foregrounds?
[08:29] <mrtimdog> The text colour.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> you do change .gtkrc, then restart the gnome-panel
[08:30] <zniavre> you should add >fg[NORMAL]			= "#f5f4f0" to panel style
[08:30] <patifa> There's a GUI for that, too.
[08:30] <zniavre> for something white    >#000000 for black
[08:30] <zniavre> gnome-color-chooser is a good tweaking tools
[08:30] <radoen> eheheheh
[08:31] <radoen> don't work
[08:31] <patifa> System > Prefs > Appearance > Theme tab > Customize button > Colors tab
[08:31] <radoen> the module arent compiled/present in kernel 2.6.24-generic from ubuntu hurdy official repository
[08:31] <mrtimdog> Thanks all. I'll try playing eith gtkrc again, maybe I've done something wrong in it!
[08:32] <radoen> but the thing is a bit strange
[08:32] <mrtimdog> ﻿patifa: That could be easier, hang on...
[08:32] <radoen> teamcobra, are you here yet?
[08:32] <patifa> basically, customize a theme (like Human)
[08:32] <vega--> what, no "when is hardy out?" question visible on my screen? there must be something seriously wrong..
[08:33] <teamcobra> yea
[08:33] <radoen> have you read?
[08:33] <teamcobra> yep, that's the problem then
[08:33] <teamcobra> brb
[08:33] <radoen> but it's a bit impossible
[08:33] <cpk1> one more day guys!
[08:33] <radoen> why noone have reported the bug firstly?
[08:34] <radoen> if the module is missing no one mouse could be work on hurdy
[08:34] <mrtimdog> ﻿patifa: Ah ok, that works, but it changed the foreground colour of *all* theme text, my windows are still a light colour, so I can't read the text on those, but I can read the panel text!!
[08:34] <radoen> or i'm wrong?
[08:35] <radoen> and sorry for my homebrew english
[08:37] <JPSman> Just how bad is it to run Hardy on Kernel 2.6.22 ?
[08:37] <teamcobra> radoen: I just looked in my current kernel config, and it's built
[08:37] <patifa> no go JPSman?
[08:37] <teamcobra> hrm hrm hrm
[08:37] <radoen> impossible
[08:37] <JPSman> Patifa: no it worked just fine :OD
[08:37] <radoen> i'va download the kernel yestrday
[08:37] <radoen> from tehe official repository
[08:37] <radoen> *the
[08:37] <teamcobra> radoen: try reinstalling the kernel package/modules again
[08:38] <radoen> ok
[08:38] <teamcobra> I do remember a 2nd kernel release yesterday
[08:38] <mrtimdog> ﻿Hobbsee and/or ﻿zniavre: Any chance of an example gtkrc file?
[08:38] <teamcobra> so it might've been because of that and you got unlucky
[08:38] <JPSman> Patifa: Im just using 2.6.22 Kernel because 2.6.24 is very driver buggy for my rt2500 wireless card
[08:38] <JPSman> So again is it bad to run Hardy on 2.6.22 ?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog:
[08:38] <Hobbsee> style "panel"
[08:38] <Hobbsee> {
[08:39] <Hobbsee> fg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff"
[08:39] <Hobbsee> and then the rest as normal
[08:39] <Hobbsee> ie, uncomment, then change the value
[08:40] <mrtimdog> ﻿Hobbsee: So no lines of ilk: widget "*PanelApplet*" style "panel" ?
[08:40] <radoen> what is kernel package name
[08:40] <mrtimdog> ﻿Hobbsee: The rest I already have.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: oh yeah, all that is at the bottom
[08:40] <radoen> fond
[08:41] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: sec
[08:42] <radoen> reinstalling in progress
[08:43] <teamcobra> cool
[08:45] <Hobbsee> mrtimdog: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/.gtkrc-2.0
[08:46] <mrtimdog> ﻿Hobbsee: Thanks, although, just been playing with gnome-color-chooser which seems to do a good job of it :)
[08:46] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:48] <radoen> reboot
[08:50] <JackWinter> argh.  i have a 2:nd hdd in my system. now i want to repartition it.  in system settings->disk & filesystems i can't delete the partitions.  what suprises me is that they don't show as mounted.  when i go to konquror is see 2 of the 3 parts in /media as mounted.  here i can unmount them, but it changes nothing.  installed qtparted, but it can't start...  8.04 from 12hours ago here.  mount shows 2 of the 3 partitions mounted, but if i unmount them in
[08:50] <JackWinter> konq the don|t show anymore.  still can't partition..
[08:50] <DanaG> How do I take my color selection overrides from gnome and apply them into the gtkrc as default for a theme?
[08:50] <DanaG> I want to save my theme, but it includes a color override.
[08:51] <teamcobra> jack: unmount the drive, sudo gparted /dev/hdX  X= drive number
[08:51] <JackWinter> this is on kubuntu hardy
[08:51] <dany_21a> JackWinter: enter "mount" in a konsole, to check if any part is still mounted
[08:51] <radoen> ahahhaah
[08:51] <radoen> teamcobra, works!!!!!!!!!
[08:51] <teamcobra> yaaaaayy
[08:51] <radoen> radoen@cameretta:~$ uname -a
[08:51] <radoen> Linux cameretta 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:52] <teamcobra> beautiful ;)
[08:52] <radoen> thanks for the support
[08:52] <teamcobra> no problem
[08:52] <radoen> and sorry for homebrew english
[08:52] <teamcobra> it's ok
[08:52] <teamcobra> enjoy the working box :)
[08:53] <JackWinter> dany_21a: they are no longer mounted.  unmounted from /media with konq but i still can't repartition
[08:53] <DanaG> !gksu
[08:53] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[08:54] <khaije1> hi, anyone had trouble w/ the nvidia driver?
[08:54] <DanaG> bug 188226
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[08:55] <JackWinter> don't know if significant but run the rt kernel...
[08:55] <cpk1> JackWinter: you try running kdesu qtparted /dev/sdX like teamcobra said after unmounting?
[08:56] <khaije1> it looks like sound isnt working eiither
[08:57] <teamcobra> khaije1, running the latest released kernel (double-check)
[08:57] <JackWinter> cool that start qparted.  why the kdesu ?  never had to do that in 7.10?
[08:57] <teamcobra> cause only root can partition drives
[08:58] <teamcobra> cpk: thanks for fixing my syntax
[08:58] <teamcobra> it's late here, making 2.6.25 packages
[09:00] <cpk1> teamcobra: no problem half the time I forget to use kdesu anyways =P
[09:00] <cpk1> JackWinter: kdesu is for graphical interfaces to be run as root
[09:04] <khaije1> teamcobra: itś from yesterday, but ie updated everything, is that equivalent?
[09:04] <DanaG> I wish this bug would get more attention!
[09:04] <DanaG> bug 188226 !!!!!!!!
[09:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[09:04] <eldavio> hi all :D
[09:05] <teamcobra> khaije1, and you just did a "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[09:05] <JackWinter> cpk1: yes i know, but can't remember ever having to use it with qtparted before?  does that mean that the k-menu entry is wrong.  should i report that somewhere? the command in the kde menu editor is qtparted-root and it's checked to run as another user but no user name
[09:06] <teamcobra> just had someone w/ a mouse module problem related to a slightly older kernel/modules package
[09:06] <teamcobra> same version, not same package
[09:07] <Andycasss> With 8.04 my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally, it keeps throwing me the gnome errors on bootup, something to do with power....
[09:07] <cpk1> JackWinter:  I have no clue
[09:07] <JackWinter> cpk1: i just installed qtparted with adept from the hardy beta dist
[09:08] <JackWinter> cpk1: ok, neither do i.  thanks for the help in any case
[09:09] <khaije1> teamcobra: yes
[09:09] <teamcobra> khaije1: lsmod and look for your sound drivers, try reloading them if they;re loaded
[09:10] <khaije1> k
[09:13] <TeslaTony> I would like to get madwifi working under 8.04. Can the tutorial I used on my 7.10 system work for 8.04 as well?
[09:14] <khaije1> it looks like itś all loaded
[09:14] <khaije1> teamcobra: this is odd, never had a problem before
[09:15] <teamcobra> and double-clicking on the volume control gives you a gstreamer error?
[09:16] <DanaG> ﻿Worst naming ever: madwifi.  ﻿drivers are ath_hal and ath_pci.  Since when does "ath" sound anything like "mad"?
[09:16]  * DanaG ﻿goes off and acts like an Ath Scientist ... and hacks at his Madtheros card.
[09:17] <DanaG> See?  It's stupid.
[09:17] <teamcobra> hahah
[09:17] <TeslaTony> Probably because it's liable to drive you mad?
[09:17] <Lynoure> DanaG: complain to them? I would be surprised if any madwifi devs were here, but who knows
[09:17] <khaije1> teamcobra: no, it presents no errors
[09:18] <Lynoure> It's Atheros, so obvious enough to me at least
[09:18] <teamcobra> khaje: and it's not muted and all turned up?
[09:18] <teamcobra> it seems the sound drivers are working if the vol sliders come up
[09:19] <khaije1> teamcobra: im at a loss, i would guess itś pulse, but i never had difficulty w/ it on gutsy
[09:19] <teamcobra> khaje: double click on an audio file
[09:19] <teamcobra> and see if it plays
[09:20] <teamcobra> it might be the particular program you're using that isn't playing nice w/ pulse, padsp will fix that
[09:20] <khaije1> i can see that it does, but hear no sound
[09:20] <teamcobra> khaije: *shrug,* try rebooting, I've had it happen to me before and a reboot fixed it
[09:21] <teamcobra> hasn't happened in a few weeks though
[09:21] <khaije1> ive tried a few, plus the gnome sound setup testing playback buttons
[09:21] <teamcobra> your sound modules might need reloading
[09:21] <teamcobra> is esd enabled (should be)?
[09:21] <khaije1> i´m going to reinstall w/ kubuntu, i wonder if that would make a diff
[09:21] <khaije1> it wasnt by default, but i turned it on
[09:22] <khaije1> so the beta´s can dist-upgrade into the final release, right?
[09:22] <teamcobra> toggle esd and try it, but I think your sound modules just need reloading
[09:37] <Fritzel> does anyone know of a way to force my cdrom to read a track on an audio cd whether it recognizes it or not? my dvdrom won't read anything and I'm trying to use a cd cleaner but it keeps telling me it's blank
[09:38] <e\spen> anyone experiencing trouble connecting to Belkin routers after upgrade(after reboot i cant connect to the wireless system, eventhoug everything seams normal, and it works perfect on other routers!)
[09:39] <ibleed> e\spen, its odd that you say that.  with hardy i have been disconnected from my linksys wrt150n router a number of times.  it requires me to power off and cycle my modem to fix.  i have been unsure whether its hardy or my isp having problems
[09:40] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:46] <e\spen> ibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router
[09:50] <Fritzel> does anyone know what could cause my dvdrom to return "/dev/scd0: writable, no read permission" from 'file -s /dev/scd0'
[09:51] <dystopianray> Fritzel: your user not having read permissions on that device
[09:52] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phone jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: This is the channel for Hardy Heron, the soon-to-be-released new version of Ubuntu. For general Ubuntu help, including Gutsy and previous releases, you should be asking in #ubuntu
[09:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i have no one will help me.
[09:54] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  is heron out yet the beta one? if so does the sound work in it?
[09:54] <e\spen> ibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router
[09:54] <Helvasca-> hey
[09:55] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it's possible that everyone was busy.
[09:55] <dystopianray> doug2266778822: a hardy release candidate has been released, the final will be out tomorrow
[09:55] <Helvasca-> * Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald
[09:55] <Helvasca-> `invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[09:55] <doug2266778822> dystopianray: can i do a upgrade through command line? or no.
[09:56] <Helvasca-> I can't work out how to fix it! I've tried dpkg --configure -a
[09:56] <ccooke> doug2266778822: you can upgrade from the normal GUI update manager
[09:56] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  will i lose any saved data?
[09:56] <ccooke> from tomorrow (or shortly thereafter) the new distribution upgrade will appear on your update manager.
[09:57] <Fritzel> dystopianray, that's not the case I tried sudo file -s /dev/sdc0 and it said the same thing, any other suggestions?
[09:57] <Helvasca-> Anyone have ideas?
[09:57] <ibleed> sorry about the reconnects.  i'm having some serious issues with firefox in hardy.  when i type CTRL-F then the 's' key to search for a string that starts with 's' my gnome x session is halted, then i have to relogin to gdm and into gnome again.  anyone heard of this problem before ?
[09:57] <dystopianray> Fritzel: are you having an actual issue with the device? an inability to burn or mount cds?
[09:57] <Fritzel> the inability to read any media
[09:57] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Depends on your system. Upgrading is a safe process (I've never once lost data; my 70-year-old dad hasn't had trouble with it)
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, the drive itsself is recognized fine
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, in all os's
[09:58] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i really would like to get it now since i have to do some work and i need my head phones to do the work with.
[09:58] <dystopianray> Fritzel: is your user in the cdrom group?
[09:58] <Fritzel> yes
[09:58] <dystopianray> Fritzel: what are the actual permissions on the device?
[09:58] <Fritzel> dystopianray, brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-04-23 04:31 scd0
[09:58] <ccooke> doug2266778822: However, if you've modified your system a lot (installed a large number of third-party debs, changed the startup process, etc) the upgrade may have problems.
[09:59] <dystopianray> Fritzel: if you are in the cdrom group then you have read and write access to the device
[09:59] <Helvasca-> My hardware abstraction layer is failing to start.
[09:59] <Fritzel> dystopianray, which means what then? the problem is either on a bios or hardware level?
[09:59] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Upgrading to hardy will take around 1-2 hours, depending on your system. If you want to, be aware that it's still not the final release for another day, so you're still taking *some* risk
[09:59] <dystopianray> Fritzel: have you tried rebooting the computer?
[09:59] <Fritzel> yes
[10:00] <ccooke> doug2266778822: if you feel that's acceptable, hit alt-f2 and run 'update-manager -c -d'
[10:00] <dystopianray> Fritzel: are you absolutely certain that you are in the 'cdrom' group?
[10:00] <Fritzel> $ groups
[10:00] <Fritzel> mhollisjr adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev games fuse lpadmin admin vboxusers
[10:00] <Fritzel> dystopianray, positive
[10:00] <christian__> hi
[10:00] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  thank you.
[10:01] <dystopianray> Fritzel: is there a particular program that is giving you trouble?
[10:01] <christian__> does anybody know how to boot ubuntu 8.04 of the hdd without burning a cd?
[10:01] <christian__> via grub?
[10:01] <Fritzel> dystopianray, no it's global
[10:01] <Helvasca-> Why wont anyone answer?
[10:01] <Fritzel> dystopianray, across boots, and operating systems
[10:01] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it's really a very good process. There *are* risks, of course, since the upgrade has to make some assumptions
[10:01] <dystopianray> Fritzel: oh, other operating systems can't read media either?
[10:02] <Fritzel> dystopianray, corret
[10:02] <Fritzel> correct
[10:02] <dystopianray> Fritzel: that has nothign to do with ubuntu then, your drive is broken
[10:02] <Fritzel> :/
[10:02] <dystopianray> Fritzel: or there is some hardware compatibility issue preventing it from working
[10:02] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  as long as the head phones work i will be very happy
[10:02] <Fritzel> when I do a 'file -s /dev/scd0' how does it pull that information?
[10:03] <Fritzel> is it from the device, the bios or the os?
[10:03] <ccooke> doug2266778822: on the other hand, a week and a half ago I was able to upgrade an old laptop from 6.10 to 8.04. That *did* require some handholding, mind, but after about three and a half hours it was fully working and upgraded.
[10:03] <dystopianray> Fritzel: from the filesystem
[10:04] <Fritzel> dystopianray, which states that permissions are correct so that means it's a lower level problem correct? which would you say is more likely? bios setting or hardware?
[10:04] <dystopianray> Fritzel: i already told you, something is wrong with your hardware
[10:05] <christian__> knowbody knows how to boot an iso image of ubuntu via grub?
[10:05] <Fritzel> dystopianray, yes I know but I'm in denial ><
[10:08] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?
[10:13] <Helvasca-> ahhhhhhh
[10:14] <Helvasca-> This is driving me up the wall
[10:14] <_Rambaldi_> is there a net stumbler for ubuntu?
[10:15] <dystopianray> _Rambaldi_: try kismet
[10:16] <_Rambaldi_> its not really straight forward
[10:17] <dystopianray> where are you having trouble?
[10:17] <dystopianray> also what wifi card do you have?
[10:17] <dystopianray> and what driver are you using?
[10:17] <_Rambaldi_> its on boared i believe its atheros drivers
[10:18] <_Rambaldi_> i am not sure which i have to install, kismet_client or server
[10:18] <dystopianray> install both
[10:19] <kahrytan> I hope they fix the 800x600 resolution fullscreen game bug in hardy
[10:19] <dystopianray> kahrytan: what is the bug?
[10:20] <kahrytan> Out of Range  bug when say a game uses 800x600 by default
[10:20] <kahrytan> fullscreen
[10:20] <dystopianray> on what video card?
[10:20] <kahrytan> nvidia?
[10:21] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I googled it. others have the problem it seems
[10:22] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I know, thus far. ET and Extreme Tux Racer are effected. Both use config files so I changed it that way
[10:23] <dystopianray> kahrytan: does it occur only with nvidia's binary drivers?
[10:23] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> yes
[10:23] <kahrytan> didnt try it without it
[10:23] <kahrytan> is there another way?
[10:24] <dystopianray> another way to what?
[10:24] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  fyi, desktop can display 800x600
[10:24] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Set Screen Resolution, then no error from monitor
[10:25] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is it only 800x600 that is affected?
[10:25] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?
[10:26] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Tell me what to do and ill try it
[10:27] <dystopianray> kahrytan: try 1024x768 fullscreen
[10:27] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I did just set Screen Resolution applet to 800x600 and ran Extreme Tux Racer... it didnt pop up error
[10:27] <kahrytan> 1024x... works
[10:27] <dystopianray> kahrytan: and 640x480?
[10:28] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  no problem
[10:28] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  why so many ques?
[10:28] <dystopianray> kahrytan: well i assume you want help solving the problem?
[10:29] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I know its a bug
[10:30] <Joelio> hey guys, having an issue with my Dell d630 when on battery power. If I leave it for a minute and come back to it, the whole thing freezes for a short time and then comes back to liofe. I've got diagnostics here.
[10:30] <dystopianray> i'm just trying to find out more details about it
[10:30] <Joelio> http://www.connectedup.co.uk/battery/
[10:30] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  Setting resolution to 800x600, then opening a game in full screen. Fine. Any other, bug comes
[10:31] <Joelio> I've also posted here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4760639
[10:31] <Joelio> Anybody else seeing this issue?
[10:31] <dystopianray> kahrytan: it only happens if the desktop resolution is not also 800x600?
[10:31] <ccooke> doug2266778822: if it doesn't, we can go through some diagnostics. Or, you could try asking again in #ubuntu instead of upgrading
[10:31] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  it would seem so
[10:31] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  I tried some higher ones but below my native reso
[10:31] <dystopianray> ok
[10:32] <kahrytan> tried 1280x..
[10:32] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is there a bug report about it?
[10:32] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  not sure how to search for it
[10:32] <dystopianray> kahrytan: you said you found reports of others with the same problem, where are they?
[10:33] <kahrytan> ubuntuforums.. i think
[10:33] <dystopianray> get some links
[10:33] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i got a half a min before done with downloading the upgrade
[10:33] <doug2266778822> ccooke: then i got the install
[10:33] <doug2266778822> i will try this route
[10:34] <doug2266778822> if it dont work i guess i am back to windows.
[10:34] <ccooke> tell me - did the headphones work before?
[10:35] <doug2266778822> yes on xp they dod
[10:35] <doug2266778822> did
[10:35] <Joelio> Seriously, nobody else seeing this issue of temporary freezing when on battery?
[10:35] <doug2266778822> and they wokred on here as well half pluged in till i rebooted
[10:36] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=762589&highlight=Out+of+Range+games (wine? unsure)
[10:36] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=746366&highlight=Out+of+Range+games
[10:36] <topyli> my laptop simply turns of when on battery
[10:36] <topyli> iz dead :(
[10:37] <dystopianray> kahrytan: it doesn't seem to be a very widespread problem
[10:38] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i just do not get why restarting would make it stop working
[10:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822: half plugged in?
[10:39] <ccooke> doug2266778822: well, try after the upgrade finishes
[10:39] <doug2266778822> ccooke: yes just half way inserted them and they worked fine till i rebooted then they stoped
[10:39] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  Any ideas?
[10:39] <dystopianray> kahrytan: no, sorry
[10:39] <dystopianray> kahrytan: If I get the issue when I install hardy i'll be able to investigate more
[10:40] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  what!? you didnt install it?
[10:40] <doug2266778822> ccooke: how big of a dif is the upgrade?
[10:40] <dystopianray> kahrytan: not yet, i'll install tomorrow
[10:40] <ccooke> doug2266778822: new versions of every single package on your system, including a newer kernel and version of gnome
[10:41] <ccooke> doug2266778822: six months of changes, of which about 3-4 months would be people finding ways to improve everything
[10:41] <topyli> doug2266778822: as big as your system is
[10:41] <topyli> every package will be updated
[10:42] <doug2266778822> ccooke: i also dont rly see how either now or tomorrow would make a dif i mean its just a few hours longer not much. how many more bugs can there be
[10:42] <topyli> doug2266778822: it doesn't matter at all
[10:42] <ccooke> doug2266778822: it only takes one... :-)
[10:43] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  lol well i been having them one after another since last nite
[10:43] <doug2266778822> and topyli ah ok
[10:43] <ccooke> (but as topyli says - the system now is pretty much there)
[10:43] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  should i report it or can find related bug?
[10:43] <topyli> doug2266778822: you'll get another batch of updates tomorrow
[10:44] <doug2266778822> will this over ride my exte 3 mount with read/write privs?
[10:44] <dystopianray> kahrytan: yes you should
[10:44] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> how?
[10:45] <dystopianray> kahrytan: bugs.launchpad.net
[10:45] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> under?
[10:45] <doug2266778822> topyli:  if the headphone jack dont work after this or tomorrows updates then what?
[10:45] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Nividia and ubuntu?
[10:45] <topyli> doug2266778822: then it doesn't work
[10:45] <dystopianray> kahrytan: yeah that'll do
[10:46] <topyli> doug2266778822: either it's broken or there's an ubuntu bug
[10:46] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  but i need to know right package names
[10:46] <ccooke> doug2266778822: one question - have you tried it in windows *since* it stopped working?
[10:46] <topyli> kahrytan: launchpad has a search box
[10:46] <doug2266778822> has to be a bug then
[10:46] <topyli> doug2266778822: please report it then
[10:47] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  yes i even used vmware and it ran in that from here as well
[10:47] <kahrytan> topyli->  And launchpad search sucks.. i wish it was more like google.
[10:47] <doug2266778822> topyli: i will when done upgrading.
[10:47] <topyli> kahrytan: in other words, better :)
[10:47] <ccooke> doug2266778822: vmware under Windows or under Ubuntu?
[10:47] <doug2266778822> ccooke: ubuntu
[10:48] <kahrytan> topyli->  launchpad sucks is worse then google
[10:48] <topyli> kahrytan: that's what i mean. if it were more like google it would be better
[10:48] <topyli> it doesn't "suck" though
[10:48] <ccooke> doug2266778822: ahh
[10:48] <ccooke> doug2266778822: have you tried checking the volume control?
[10:48] <kahrytan> topyli->  how do you fil bug under multiple packages .. Ubuntu and Nvidia?
[10:49] <doug2266778822> ccooke: so it is somethng in gutsy keeping me from it
[10:49] <topyli> kahrytan: you report nvidia bugs to nvidia
[10:49] <doug2266778822> ccooke: yes i ran alsamixer reg and as sudo it wont budge
[10:49] <kahrytan> topyli->  its related though
[10:50] <topyli> kahrytan: ubuntu hackers are unable to fix bugs in nvidia's proprietary crap
[10:50] <kahrytan> topyli->  dont be insulting nvidia. At least they try.
[10:50] <doug2266778822> topyli: YIPES my system has most nvidia lol
[10:50] <topyli> kahrytan: they do? where's the source? just report their bugs to them
[10:51] <Lynoure> kahrytan: "at least they try" = they don't offer specs, damn hard for anyone else to try...
[10:51] <doug2266778822> dang i could have just pluged the headphones into the speaker jack int he bakc LOL why didnt i think of it before i upgraded haha
[10:51] <doug2266778822> into the back*
[10:51] <kahrytan> By try... they are supporting Linux with drivers.
[10:52] <topyli> right right
[10:52] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  where is the DOWNGRADE button?
[10:52] <ccooke> doug2266778822: what?
[10:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  it hit me the external speakers work right? wlel i could have just pluged the headphones into that outlet
[10:53] <doug2266778822> so how i downgrade lol
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: there's no easy way to downgrade - and it can be very damaging to halt an upgrade half-way
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while
[10:53] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  lol i was joking
[10:53] <ccooke> doug2266778822: ahhh :-)
[10:54] <topyli> doug2266778822: heh, i have to plug my speakers to the headphone jack
[10:54] <doug2266778822> topyli:  and ccooke i wish i thought of this before hand. would saved me alot of time
[10:54] <doug2266778822> topyli: lol wana trade?
[10:54] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Happens to us all :-)
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:55] <doug2266778822> compaq presario pc. made for vista but wtf is vista lol
[10:56] <Helvasca-> how can I force dpkg to install a package and ignore dependencies
[10:56] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  2 min to go thn to reboot hope this fixes it if not ill just plug them to the back.
[10:56] <doug2266778822> hey does wine come with this ?
[10:57] <ccooke> doug2266778822: wine is packaged for Ubuntu, but it's not officially supported
[10:57] <kahrytan> doug2266778822-> WINE version is next to newest version too
[10:58] <doug2266778822> kahrytan: i have it installed but keep gettin vid error when i try to play a game
[10:58] <kahrytan> doug2266778822-> wine-0.9.59 is the one in hardy. wine-0.9.60 is out.
[10:58] <doug2266778822> kahrytan:  i had wine 0.9.46
[10:59] <kahrytan> doug2266778822->  you should use winehq repos
[10:59] <timeoff> since yesterdays updates I appear to have lost internet connectivity for locally installed apps (flock, secondlife etc). All the other standard apps continue to work as normal. Anyone come across anything similar?
[10:59] <doug2266778822> kahrytan:  i did but it went over my head mostly.
[11:00] <dystopianray> timeoff: i can't imagine how that'd happen
[11:00] <timeoff> yeah.. thats my problem :p
[11:00] <dystopianray> timeoff: what error do the other apps report?
[11:01] <timeoff> everything else just works as normal.... but the locally installed ones are unable to resolve any addresses/unable to connect to server etc
[11:01] <doug2266778822> ok comp bout to reboot here ccooke
[11:02] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Good luck
[11:02] <doug2266778822> thnks i will let u know wht happens
[11:05] <joker2048_> hey folks, which timezone counts for releasing HardyHeron?
[11:06] <dystopianray> joker2048_: GMT+1 iirc
[11:07] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Well, you appear to have a working system in as far as you've logged in...
[11:07] <doug2266778822> ccooke: the jack still dont work
[11:09] <Armagguedes> hello
[11:09] <ccooke> doug2266778822: one thing does occur...
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: see the volume control in your taskbar?
[11:10] <doug2266778822> yea
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: right-click on it, "open volume control"
[11:10] <Armagguedes> why do games like warzone2100, tux racer or war§ow run slow like fuck on my computer (3GiB Ram, nvidia 8600)? do i need any special drivers or smtg?
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: done that?
[11:10] <doug2266778822> just did
[11:10] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  How'd I do, bug 220952
[11:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220952
[11:10] <ccooke> doug2266778822: Okay. Go to Edit -> Preferences...
[11:11] <ccooke> doug2266778822: and turn on every single item in the list that appears next
[11:11] <doug2266778822> headphone is checked
[11:11] <ccooke> doug2266778822: turn on everything that's unchecked
[11:11] <doug2266778822> just did
[11:11] <moise7000> Yop
[11:12] <dystopianray> kahrytan: seems alright
[11:12] <Koheleth> guys, whats the risk of messing up my windows mbr with ubuntu if I install it, I have used wubi and its fine but when Hardy is out I will go for a proper install
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: now, go through each of the tabs on the volume control and look for anything that could deal with the front-panel connectors
[11:12] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  dont know to put it under hardy
[11:12] <dystopianray> Koheleth: it will overwrite the windows bootloader with grub
[11:12] <Koheleth> will it see vista fine though
[11:12] <dns53> yes
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: especially look in a 'switches' tab if you have one
[11:12] <dystopianray> Koheleth: yes
[11:12] <Koheleth> your confident :) good
[11:12] <ccooke> doug2266778822: (mine, for instance, has checkboxes for "headphones" and "front")
[11:13] <dns53> it boots vista on the backup of the mbr i think, or some equivelent
[11:13] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  i will do it in a little i gave up and pluged them to the back of the pc
[11:13] <Koheleth> whats the main disadvantage with wubi and a normal install?
[11:13] <ccooke> doug2266778822: fair enough
[11:14] <Helvasca-> wheres the sources list found again?
[11:14] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> So, what else I do with the bug?
[11:14] <dns53> Koheleth wubi has another layer when writing to the disk, it seems to break when you don't defrag your disk
[11:15] <timfrost> ﻿
[11:15] <Koheleth> so its just a temporal thing
[11:15] <sparr_> i notice that "apt-get install firefox" wants to install FF3, but dist-upgrade didn't replace my 2 with 3.  what's up with that?
[11:15] <timfrost> ﻿Helvasca: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <prodigel> Hi. I'm having problems with gnome-panel since upgrading to hardy. It keeps crashing, and I cannot restart it. if I restart X it doen't display anything.
[11:17] <kahrytan> dystopianray->  should i tell motu?
[11:17] <dystopianray> kahrytan: who's motu?
[11:17] <kahrytan> channel ... so someone looks atit
[11:17] <dystopianray> if you think it'll help
[11:19] <kahrytan> to late for hardy fix though
[11:20] <cpk1> masters of the universe = motu
[11:23] <Arelis> Hello all. Hardy is one day to go until release, does that mean that the stuff in the repo's has reached the final stage? I mean, when i update now, will i have the final Hardy?
[11:24] <dns53> close enough maybe, depends if there are major bugs
[11:25] <dystopianray> Arelis: probably
[11:25] <prodigel> anybody can help me with my x problems? I'm not sure now if gnome-panel or gdm or who crashes
[11:25] <Arelis> And may i just keep my system running under Hardy when it goes final? (This is a fresh Release Candidate install). Or will I have problems?
[11:25] <dns53> no just dist-upgrade
[11:27] <Arelis> dns53: so that means i can keep my hardy install for years?
[11:27] <kahrytan> anyone else use nvidia and hardy?
[11:27] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I do
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  you try running Extreme Tux Racer at 800x600?
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> Desktop at native, game at 800x600.
[11:28] <AmyRose> ok
[11:28] <AmyRose> I'll try
[11:28] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  wanna see if my recent bug is just me
[11:28] <dns53> if you use gnomeyes, kde is not lts
[11:28] <doug2266778822> ccooke:  or topyli where do i find the folder options so i can make them open on a single click?
[11:29] <Arelis> dns53: ok
[11:29] <AmyRose> kahrytan: Works fine for me
[11:29] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> I get out of range error on my monitor
[11:29] <Arelis> dns53: So, as a final check: I don't need to reinstall my Ubuntu Hardy Release Candidate when the final comes out?
[11:30] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  native is 1440x900 and game starts in 800x600
[11:30] <AmyRose> kahrytan: Might be because I'm on a laptop... are you on a desktop?
[11:30] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  yeah (bug 220952)
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220952
[11:31] <AmyRose> kahrytan: It's probably just an X misconfiguration
[11:31] <AmyRose> It's probably trying to set a refresh rate your monitor can't handle
[11:31] <timfrost> ﻿Arelis: no - from beta or RC, if you install the software updates, that will take you to the final release
[11:31] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  if desktop resolution is set to 800x600, they run fine.
[11:31] <Arelis> timfrost: okay
[11:32] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I had a similar problem with my 640×480 resolution. It was either appearing black or with the bottom chopped off. I fixed it by modifying my X config
[11:32] <dns53> Arelis if you are going to be supporting it for years you may not want to start with the alpha versions but a rc is close enough to release there should not be too many bugs with the packages
[11:32] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Monitor gives Out of Range error though So no video
[11:33] <AmyRose> kahrytan: That's still probably just an X misconfiguration. It's probably defaulting to a refresh rate your monitor can't handle. Is it using VESA DDC to figure out what the monitor can handle?
[11:34] <AmyRose> When you set the desktop to 800×600, it's probably also setting the refresh rate manually too
[11:34] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: (sorry, afk) Open Edit -> Preferences while you're in a directory view, then look iin the Behaviour tab
[11:35] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  there is no modelines set
[11:35] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  thanks and topyli if u said it sorry comp froze lol
[11:35] <Arelis> dns53: Okay. Well, i installed from a Release Candidate so then it should be fine, right?
[11:35] <kahrytan> AmyRose-> vesa ddc?
[11:35] <prodigel> can someone help trace my gdm problem? It crashes even when trying to change background picture, or view panel properties
[11:35] <dns53> Arelis yes
[11:36] <doug2266778822_> kahrytan:  how do i install the latest wine? i have still 0.9.46
[11:36] <kahrytan> doug2266778822_->  winehq.org
[11:37] <doug2266778822_> thanks
[11:37] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  umm maybe you are right.
[11:37] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  It could be using 800x600 at wrong refresh rate
[11:37] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: you should probably try the latest wine in Hardy firt
[11:37] <AmyRose> kahrytan: That's what the out of range error means.
[11:37] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: upgrading will have disabled your universe and multiverse repositories, if you had them before
[11:38] <AmyRose> kahrytan: It's probably a driver misconfiguration or bug, not a bug with the game
[11:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: you can re-enable them in System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[11:38] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  i got it working but when it goes to load game it shuts down
[11:38] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Now i just need someone to help me with modelines and define it
[11:38] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: unfortunate :-/
[11:39] <ccooke> doug2266778822_: There's not a lot we can help about in Wine - especially if you use a version that Ubuntu didn't supply
[11:39] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  So, its easier fixed.
[11:39] <kahrytan> easy to fix
[11:39] <doug2266778822_> ccooke:  i just seen what type i have its the 0.9.59
[11:40] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  It can't do 800x600 at 63/64mhz
[11:41] <AmyRose> kahrytan: I don't know of ANY monitor that can do 63 MHz!
[11:41] <kahrytan> AmyRose->  Obviously, drive or xorg is defaulting at one of them
[11:42] <Koheleth> where do I report a bug
[11:42] <Jeltn> Goedendag
[11:42] <kahrytan> Koheleth->  I sense the force tells me bugs.launchpad.net
[11:43] <Koheleth> ok
[11:43] <doug2266778822> hmm well guess i wont play that game no more lol
[11:43] <Jeltn> weet iemand hoe ik de Siemens PCMIA pc card 54 onder xubuntu moet installeren?
[11:43] <Koheleth> is there a program within Hardy
[11:43] <kahrytan> Koheleth->  No.
[11:43] <eklof> Anyone heard of the preferred way to migrate a Ubuntu 6.06 server to 8.04 server? No X on it. Aptitude?
[11:43] <Koheleth> ok
[11:44] <kahrytan> So, anyone can help me with my issue?
[11:44] <Koheleth> whats the issue
[11:44] <Fritzel> does ubuntu have something against soundblasters?
[11:44] <dns53> eklof i just change the sources.list to the new version and dist-upgrade but there may be other ways
[11:45] <kahrytan> xorg refresh rate
[11:45] <eklof> dns53: using apt-get or aptitute?
[11:45] <Koheleth> whats up with it
[11:45] <Fritzel> I've used several soundblasters and I always have crackles on them but when using onboard sound it's flawless
[11:45] <eklof> does apt-get remove obsolete packages and so on ?
[11:45] <dns53> eklof both work, i prefer apt myself, they both are based on the same library
[11:45] <eklof> Ok.
[11:46] <dns53> there is apt-get autoremove to get obsolete packages
[11:46] <oholiks> hi all, do-release-upgrade borks for me even after removing "third party" software, so I tried apt-get but it wants to  remove such essentials as xdpyinfo, xset, xrandr, xhost, xmessage, is this to be expected?
[11:48] <dns53> oholiks try just installing ubuntu-desktop or whatever version you use to get the base then dist-upgrade
[11:49] <kahrytan> Anyone got experience in setting refresh rates?
[11:49] <dns53> oholiks the if all else fails get rid of everthing except ubuntu-minimal and then install what you want manually
[11:49] <oholiks> dns53: thanks, seems to work although it still wants to remove those apps
[11:50] <oholiks> dns53: i'll make a note and install manually later, thanks
[11:50] <dns53> oholiks you could save your currently installed packages to a file, install the minimum then reinstall your current packages
[11:51] <Jeltn> Soembody know how to install a PCIMIA Siemens PC card 54 ?
[11:51] <Jeltn> cause it not automatily suported
[11:51] <oholiks> dns53: yeah, to much hassle, if I don't remember the name, then I probably don't need it =)
[11:51] <dns53> oholiks dpkg --get-selections >somefile,   dpkg --set-selections < somefile
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: i know, it's cool
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: COLUMNS=120 could be good with that one
[11:52] <oholiks> dns53: to not cut of long package names
[11:52] <Jeltn> soemone?
[11:53] <dns53> Jeltn what is it, what does it do?
[11:54] <Jeltn> you mean the Siemens PCIMIA PC card 54?
[11:54] <dns53> Jeltn yes, what is your problem
[11:55] <Jeltn> it is a bout my wireless ncard i installed ubuntu 8.0.4 but it doesnt work automaticly
[11:57] <Jeltn> but i heard from NDISwrapper or something, but i have no idea how to use it
[11:57] <dns53> wreless is a problem with linux, i don't know anything about your card but you might want to check the wiki and forums
[11:57] <dns53> !ndiswrapper
[11:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:58] <oholiks> dns53: oh sorry to bother you again, but it was expected to remove x*-packages, it was not just my dist/install?
[11:59] <KrimZon> i have a problem playing audo still - vlc often speeds up my music by about 1 or 2 semitones, and at the same time there's this weird hissing sound like a cat with bronchitis
[11:59] <oholiks> dns53: so I can tell  my fellow unbunters not to worry
[12:01] <virtuald> !pastebin
[12:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[12:04] <muszek> hi... are the pulse audio volume controls available in hardy?  I still get the regular, old gnome volume control, but the "not available" notice went away from alpha/beta/rc articles on wiki...
[12:04] <virtuald> can anyone help me with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ ?
[12:08] <kahrytan> Can someone help me generate custom modeline for my monitor?
[12:10] <hwilde_> kahrytan,   Modes           "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:11] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> I need one that excludes 73/64 refresh rate on 800x600
[12:11] <jscinoz> I have a process using 100% CPU that i can't kill, it ignores every signal and survives an X restart (which is strange as this process is totem) is there anyway to kill this process without a reboot
[12:11] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> I need one that excludes 63/64 refresh rate on 800x600
[12:12] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Monitor has 1400x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native.
[12:13] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Monitor has 1440x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native. ooops
[12:14] <hwilde_> kahrytan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973  HOWTO: change resolution/refresh rate in Xorg
[12:14] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> already there.
[12:14] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> its about setting v and h rates
[12:15] <hwilde_> don't you see where it gives you the modeline example
[12:15] <zigford> So, about 3 weeks ago, my ubuntu 6.06 LTS server hdd crashed.  It was sad, because I was really hoping it would last until the next LTS.  So I went ahead and rebuilt my machine on 8.04 rc.  Will there be a negative impact on my system because it started out as a RC rather than a fresh stable?
[12:16] <hwilde_> zigford, not if you get all the updates
[12:16] <zigford> There are no extra logging and debuging options that I might need to turn off?
[12:16] <muszek> zigford: there are very little changes between rc and "full" release
[12:17] <kahrytan> hwilde_-> Modeline "1440x810@60" 95.28 1440 1472 1832 1864 810 826 834 851 ?
[12:17] <zigford> sweetness.  For the record, Heron was about one billion times easier to setup my madwifi/ethernet bridge
[12:20] <kahrytan> man, I need some serious help
[12:20] <dns53> kahrytan have you tried moving your xorg.conf and starting without one?
[12:21] <kahrytan> dns53->  and that would accomplish what?
[12:22] <dns53> xorg can start without an xorg.conf and may be able to automatically detect everything
[12:22] <kahrytan> dns53->  I justneed to keep xorg/driver away from 63/64 refresh rate.
[12:22] <kahrytan> dns53->  i didnt change it since hardy install.
[12:22] <kahrytan> except for restricted driver install
[12:24] <oholiks> yay, that worked fine, although firefox 3 is a dissapointment.. ofcourse it invalidated all my addons, time to downgrade it =)
[12:24] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I created an exclusive club for those downgrades. wanna join? Im leader
[12:24] <Assid> mirrors synched yet ?
[12:24] <KrimZon> one day left to fix ff3 ;)
[12:24] <oholiks> kahrytan: haha, easy!
[12:25] <kahrytan> I remember ASSID !!!!!!!!
[12:25] <kahrytan> I'm been waiting for you
[12:25] <Assid> you do ?
[12:25] <Assid> why doy ou remember me ?
[12:25] <Assid> what did i do this time?
[12:25] <kahrytan> maybe sure you get those server ready.
[12:25]  * Assid hides
[12:25] <KrimZon> does anyone know if 1.5 and 2 have that problem where firefox can't view some jpeg images in the browser and forces them to be downloaded?
[12:25] <_Rambaldi_> command for changing lcd brightness in terminal, anyone?
[12:25] <bikeboy> KrimZon: what's your particular problem with Fx3?
[12:25] <kahrytan> Assid-> i want all that bandwith
[12:26] <Assid> haha
[12:26] <KrimZon> kahrytan: the thing with opening jpegs
[12:26] <Assid> this time im thinking of not offering http downloads
[12:26] <KrimZon> and half the extensions not having caught up properly yet
[12:26] <Assid> only participating in torrent
[12:26] <kahrytan> Assid->  You the guy that made my last iso download oh so fast
[12:26] <bikeboy> can't say I've had a problem with jpegs under Fx3, you could try a nightly though - very easy to do
[12:27] <rhineheart_m> hello.. hardy will be released tomorrow?
[12:27] <kahrytan> rhineheart_m->  according to Hobbsee, for every person who keeps asking that, 2hrs gets added to release time.
[12:27] <Assid> kahrytan:  glad i could help
[12:27] <Assid> but first i need to get one of the mirror managers to let me leech
[12:27] <kahrytan> rhineheart_m->  from #ubuntu-release-party topic
[12:27] <bikeboy> haha, good on her
[12:28] <dns53> kahrytan will it be released tomorrow?
[12:28] <oholiks> hm, why xlsfonts show knickers, but aterm/urxvt cannot use it.. fc-cache -f didn't fix it
[12:28] <kahrytan> Patience is a viture
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bikeboy: :)
[12:28] <kahrytan> virtue
[12:28] <guja_nebeska> Anyone using Hardy on Macbook?
[12:29] <kahrytan> Anyone got advanced knowlege in xorg config?
[12:29] <dns53> just man xorg.conf
[12:29] <kahrytan> dns53->  and i wil rather slice my thoat then read one man page
[12:30]  * kahrytan hates man pages 
[12:30] <oholiks> but they will get you far
[12:30] <Assid> kahrytan: so im guess you will enjoy downloading it at 3K/sec :P
[12:30] <Assid> hehehe
[12:30] <kahrytan> Man pages are the most unuser friendly full of techno babble that i can hardly understand.
[12:31] <oholiks> ask the question kahrytan, what's up with your config?
[12:31] <kahrytan> not to mentio navigating them is just as hard
[12:31] <oholiks> it's like regular vi at all times
[12:32] <oholiks> and with most linux even pgup/pgdn and arrow keys work
[12:32] <kahrytan> oholiks->  Need to define modeline that ignores 800x600 63/64mhz refresh.
[12:32] <oholiks> kahrytan: that's a pain for sure =)
[12:32] <Assid> sweeet .. my php rpc server is almost done
[12:32] <oholiks> kahrytan: but you could find apps to generate modelines for you
[12:32] <Assid> to do EVERYTHING i need
[12:32]  * Assid does the chicken dance
[12:32] <kahrytan> oholiks-> Its hardy bug... games that default to it use either one of them and produce out of range error on monitor
[12:33] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I only got 1440x900 60,75mhz spec info. thats it
[12:34] <kahrytan> Modes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?
[12:34] <oholiks> kahrytan: http://www.calmar.ws/firefox/vimperator/vimperator_0.6pre.xpi for ff3
[12:34]  * kahrytan downgraded to ff2
[12:35] <kahrytan> Modes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?
[12:35] <Assid> hey Hobbsee you about?
[12:35] <virtuald> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ can anyone help me with this?
[12:35] <kahrytan> maybe
[12:35] <ubuntudemon> Hey. Can I do anything to provide more information to this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220640 And does anybody know how to use ipw3945 with Hardy's kernel ?
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Undecided,New]
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Assid: sort of
[12:35] <kahrytan> Assid->  i am on hardy so I am not in a rush to upgrade.
[12:35] <sajuuk> hey guys, upgrading from dapper drake and the distribution upgrade has hung on 'deleting obselete programs,'  it has been that way for an hour, what has happened and what can i do?
[12:36] <Assid> u got access to one of those mirrors dont you?
[12:36] <Assid> kahrytan: yeah you dont need to
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Assid: one of which mirror?
[12:36] <Assid> distribution mirrors for iso files
[12:36] <kahrytan> Assid wants to leech so he can power the torrent
[12:36] <guja_nebeska> Ojha.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Assid: no
[12:36] <Assid> hrmm oh well
[12:36] <guja_nebeska> Anyone using Hardy on Macbook?
[12:36] <kahrytan> Assid, Suggestion: contect Canonical/UC to see if you can get into i nthe mirroring.
[12:36] <Arelis> Where can i get applets for the GNOME panel?
[12:37] <Assid> kahrytan: im not donating more than 100-200GB of of transfer
[12:37] <Assid> thats it
[12:37] <kahrytan> Assid->  theres a minimal?
[12:37] <sajuuk> anyone had that problem?
[12:37] <JPSman> help
[12:37] <JPSman> I tanked my wireless on hardy
[12:37] <Assid> unless i feel generous and a hot chick comes up to me and requests it.. and takes me out for some drinks which keeps me away from the "cancel seed" button
[12:38] <kahrytan> Assid->  did i mention i livei n paradise now (hawaii)
[12:38] <JPSman> i tried to create my own driver and now I dont have anything.  How do I revert back to distro's driver?
[12:38] <Assid> kahrytan: stilll deosnt get me away from my pc now does it :P
[12:38] <sajuuk> JPS did u upgrade via distro upgrade? cos mine has frozen and dunno what to do
[12:39] <kahrytan> Assid->  You wont cancel see until the seeders can handle it without you
[12:39] <kahrytan> seed*
[12:39] <JPSman> Sajuuk: i upgraded with the alternate iso CD
[12:39] <Assid> sure they can
[12:39] <sajuuk> ok
[12:39] <Assid> i ws seeding the last RC.. and oh man
[12:39] <sajuuk> so i wonder what the hell happened to my upgrade then
[12:39] <kahrytan> which rc?
[12:39] <Assid> people were downloading from me at 2M/sec
[12:39] <Assid> like 4-5 days back
[12:40] <kahrytan> Hardy rc?
[12:40] <Assid> yeah
[12:40] <sajuuk> yeah
[12:40] <Assid> 2M/sec per peer
[12:40] <kahrytan> That iso burned corrupted for me
[12:40] <Assid> which was pretty nice
[12:40] <Assid> used up 8-9MByte/sec average speeds
[12:40] <neo1ite> hi, does anybody know whats happened to vnc with 8.04
[12:40] <kahrytan> im made at that torrent
[12:41] <kahrytan> i burned coaster cuz of it
[12:41] <JPSman> frisbee
[12:41] <Assid> hehe
[12:41] <Assid> yeah frisbee that can cut your dogs lips
[12:41] <JPSman> lol
[12:41] <kahrytan> Assid->  whats your nick supposed to mean?
[12:42] <Assid> long story short.. its Assid, too kiddish to mean anything now
[12:42] <Assid> so i just stuck with it
[12:43] <JPSman> how can I revert my rt2500 driver back to the original install?
[12:43] <kahrytan> Looks like a curse word
[12:44] <JPSman> heck any driver for that matter
[12:44] <KrimZon> anyone who thinks ass is a curse word is a **** **** ******* **** *** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***
[12:44] <kahrytan> Modes "1024x768_75.00" <--- is the 75.00 the refreshrate
[12:45] <sajuuk> yes
[12:45] <sajuuk> 75 would be in hz
[12:45] <Assid> i wish macromedia would work out of the box on linux
[12:45] <sajuuk> so yeah 75 cycles per second
[12:45] <Assid> i could stop jumping back and forth
[12:45] <sajuuk> i wish my heron could work full stop
[12:46] <Assid> herons jumping in the doo doo land
[12:46] <sajuuk> huh?
[12:46] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> Modes "800x600_60.00" Wouldthat tell xorg to only use 60mhz refresh rate?
[12:46] <Assid> nvm
[12:46] <jac0b|w> I am getting a "kernel panic - VFS root device not found" error after the upgrade
[12:46] <kahrytan> sajuuk->  for that resolution
[12:46] <sajuuk> yes
[12:46] <KrimZon> does anyone know why vlc keeps speeding up my tunes slightly?
[12:46] <kahrytan> sajuuk->  oh good. that fixes my hardy bug maybe
[12:46] <Akhorahil> someone around who can help with ebox on 8..04?
[12:46] <sajuuk> maybe
[12:47] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> bug #200592
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200592 in jabref "Jabref coredumps on startup because of locking assertion (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200592
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87947 in libxcb "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87947
[12:47] <jac0b|w> is anyone else having this problem?
[12:47] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> bug #230592 oops
[12:47] <kahrytan> damn it
[12:47] <kahrytan> oop sorry
[12:47] <sajuuk> lol
[12:47] <kahrytan> sajuuk-> bug 220592 there
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220592 in nautilus "File operations dialogue display bad characters (dup-of: 218857)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220592
[12:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218857 in language-pack-gnome-es-base "error in copying dialog window in nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218857
[12:47] <Akhorahil> what I try to do is to create a router with it, setting one interface external and the other static with dhcp seems to work
[12:47] <Akhorahil> dns does work, but somehow masquerading doesn't
[12:47] <Akhorahil> should i do something extra?
[12:48] <kahrytan> sajuuk->  i give up, 220952.
[12:49] <sajuuk> hmm how long does it take for heron to install on dapper system?
[12:51] <jac0b|w> I am getting a "kernel panic - VFS root device not found" error after upgrade
[12:52] <d4t4min31> wasn't the new release supposed to be today
[12:53] <d4t4min31> yesterday the said one day to go... today it says one day to go
[12:53] <bazhang> April 24th
[12:53] <ttkeppi> 24th day it will be out
[12:53] <d4t4min31> if I download the test release when the full version comes out can I update to that from the beta
[12:53] <ripps> I think they go by GMT
[12:54] <d4t4min31> or do I have to dl the officaal verson
[12:54] <bazhang> d4t4min31: aye
[12:54] <d4t4min31> I can update?
[12:54] <sajuuk> aye to the former?
[12:54] <sajuuk> or to the latter?
[12:54] <bazhang> first one
[12:54] <lumm> guess it will take to leech the image till 25 anyway
[12:54] <lumm> hah:p
[12:54] <jac0b|w> I am getting a kernel panic upon reboot after I upgraded from the internet
[12:55] <sajuuk> hmm
[12:55] <ripps> The beta IS the Official, the only difference is the packages installed. Your system will be the same as the Official just by using Update-manager.
[12:55] <sajuuk> my setup is still going after an hour and a half
[12:55] <sajuuk> dapper > hardy
[12:56]  * Assid wonders if this is a premature release
[12:56] <neo1ite> can anybody help me set up a VNC server with 8.04
[12:56] <Assid> too many people had issues with the beta
[12:56] <sajuuk> rightio
[12:56] <sajuuk> well
[12:56] <mvo> sajuuk: 1,5h> the upgrade is still running? or hanging at some stage?
[12:56] <bazhang> been running since alpha three and only one major problem--the libc6 one
[12:57] <sajuuk> its running
[12:57] <mvo> sajuuk: at what stage is it currently?
[12:57] <sajuuk> but its just stopped at search for obselete programs
[12:57] <ripps> I let my system download overnight, there were so many downloads to make.
[12:57] <Assid> if your system is anciently old..
[12:57] <ripps> When I first upgraded.
[12:57] <mvo> sajuuk: ok, that may take some time (but not 1,5h)
[12:57] <Assid> as in the packages... your better off with a fresh iso
[12:58] <sajuuk> the hdd is only 55 gig
[12:58] <sajuuk> shouldnt take that long
[12:58] <sajuuk> and linux been on here for 2-3 weeks
[12:58] <sajuuk> so it shouldnt take that long
[12:58] <mvo> sajuuk: is it at this particular stage since 1,5h ?
[12:58] <sajuuk> yes
[12:59] <sajuuk> the window is frozen, all i see is grey
[12:59] <sajuuk> but it refreshes once every so often so i can see where its hanging at
[12:59] <mvo> sajuuk: is there output if you run (in a terminal): tail -f  /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log  ?
[13:00] <sajuuk> yes
[13:00] <ripps> My download was about 3 hours. Of course, my brother was hogging the internet that night, so I wasn't getting the best bandwidth then.
[13:00] <sajuuk> its doing alot of considering and removing
[13:01] <sajuuk> btw my system is a 1.6 ghz with 256 mb
[13:01] <sajuuk> of ram
[13:02] <mvo> sajuuk: hm, ok. that is a bit excessive (time-wise). please keep it running as long as it produces output and please sent me the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ once its finished, I would like to have a closer look and see if there is room for optimisation
[13:02] <sajuuk> cool
[13:02] <sajuuk> got an email ?
[13:02] <sajuuk> pm me
[13:03] <IdleOne> hmmmm system restart required??? with no kernel upgrade??? why is that?
[13:05] <ripps> Does anybody know if the TV Tuner bug caused HAL to fail has been fixed yet?
[13:05] <Adys> Any idea how to enable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point
[13:07] <Pici> HardyOne: There was a l-u-m update recently, that would probably ask for a reboot
[13:07] <HardyOne> Pici: l-u-m stands for?
[13:07] <HardyOne> linux user manual??
[13:07] <Pici> HardyOne: Linux-ubuntu-modules
[13:07] <HardyOne> heh
[13:08] <HardyOne> ahh that would make sense. but I just did the upgrade when update-manager poped up on my desktop and did not see any modeules being updated
[13:08] <HardyOne> modules*]
[13:08] <HardyOne> errrrr
[13:09] <HardyOne> Pici: thanks for the answer though
[13:13] <ripps> Huh... My Xserver just crashed again, out of nowhere. It's been doing this about once a day now. I have no idea what's causing it.
[13:13] <JPSman> can anyone tell me about modules.dep?  is it safe to edit?  what do the  :  mean?
[13:14] <mvo> ripps: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that looks suspicious? or a crashfile maybe in /var/crash ?
[13:15] <user11> which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together
[13:15] <Fritzel> what is the name of the program that gnome uses to request administrative access?
[13:15] <the0> how do i enebale desktop effects in 8.04 (I got an ati)
[13:15] <PolarFox> I have a question, has anyone stumbled across problems with initramfs-tools upgrade in recent days...
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[13:16] <user11> On Hardy which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together
[13:16] <the0> i tried
[13:16] <Volkodav> How do I install  googleearth-package ?
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, then visual effects
[13:16] <tanath> the0, sys>prefs>appearance>last tab
[13:16] <the0> it said "could not enable desktop effcts"
[13:16] <kahrytan> Pop Quiz: Will this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 60
[13:16] <PolarFox> update-initramfs script hangs :(
[13:16] <tanath> the0, make sure you have direct rendering
[13:16] <Fritzel> the0, you need to install a working video driver then first
[13:17] <the0> i have an ati 1650 PRO
[13:17] <tanath> the0, type "glxinfo | grep -i direct" in a terminal and see if it says you have direct rendering
[13:17] <ripps> It says Signal 11
[13:18] <the0> i dont have it
[13:18] <Fritzel> what is the gnome equivilant of sudo
[13:18] <tanath> then you need to use a video driver that enables it
[13:18] <Fritzel> the0, I'm nvidia I have no idea how to work with ati
[13:18] <the0> ok
[13:18] <tanath> the0, try running 'gksu displayconfig-gtk'
[13:18] <the0> thanks
[13:19] <Assid> your nvidia ?
[13:19] <the0> im ati
[13:19] <ripps> mvo: The only thing I can find is that the Xserver caught a Signal 11.
[13:19] <Assid> and im intel
[13:19] <the0> im amd
[13:19] <Assid> bow down to my pr0wress
[13:19] <tanath> the0, try different drivers, and click the test button. when you get one that works, check for direct rendering again
[13:19] <Assid> ha.. your broke
[13:19] <the0> where do i get the drivers?
[13:19] <mvo> ripps: does /var/crash contain a crash file that looks like it is releated?
[13:19] <tanath> the0, when you get it working, then you can enable compiz
[13:19] <the0> i searched google but didnt find much
[13:19] <Fritzel> tanath, thank you for answering my question in response to someone else ^^
[13:20] <tanath> Fritzel, :D
[13:20] <ripps> nothing recent in /var/crash, just an old Gnome-keyring, pressure_applet, and rhythmbox. All of these were from a week ago.
[13:21] <tanath> the0, if you need the fglrx driver, you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx'
[13:21] <mvo> hrm, a crash file would have been good
[13:21] <kahrytan> Will this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 60
[13:21] <the0> ok
[13:22] <ripps> the0 and tanath: I know it isn't officially supported, but I really like EnvyNG for installing ATI Drivers.
[13:22] <tanath> can anyone tell me why i wouldn't be able to unmount a partition, which it says is busy, when lsof says nothing's using it?
[13:22] <tanath> ripps, my way worked for me
[13:23] <tanath> ripps, i think i tried that once and it made things messy, IIRC
[13:23] <tanath> ripps, so i think there's a good reason it's not officially supported
[13:23] <Fritzel> I also have to say I like Envyng
[13:23] <ripps> Well, we all take our own paths.
[13:23] <ripps> don't confuse EnvyNG with Envy legacy. The original Envy was messy, EnvyNG isn't.
[13:24] <tanath> argh... nvm... now it unmounts 10 mins later
[13:24] <tanath> ripps, hm. i might be doing that
[13:24] <the0> I instaled the driver and the appearance settings window will not open anymore
[13:24] <tanath> the0, odd. you have direct rendering now?
[13:24] <PolarFox> Well, now I know that mkinitramfs launches awk that stops... I just don't know what that means :)
[13:25] <the0> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep -i direct
[13:25] <the0> No protocol specified
[13:25] <the0> Error: unable to open display :0.0
[13:25] <tanath> the0, then that's not the driver you want ;)
[13:25] <ripps> Add a launcher to my panel that runs "sudo umount /media/*", I use before restarting, just so I don't have to log into windows to fix unproperly unmounted ntfs partitions.
[13:26] <tanath> ripps, that directed at me?
[13:27] <tanath> cause it was a vfat partition, and i needed to umount it because that part of the drive is dying and messing things up
[13:27] <the0> thanks for all your help
[13:27] <tanath> the0, got it?
[13:27] <ripps> no, not really.
[13:27] <ripps> I just wanted to mention it.
[13:27] <the0> i will try again tomrow with the new ubuntu :)
[13:27] <tanath> ah
[13:28] <the0> bye bye
[13:28] <tanath> the0, k. good luck
[13:28] <the0> thanks
[13:28] <tanath> np
[13:28] <jac0b|w> I am getting a VFS error on reboot after my upgrade
[13:28] <jac0b|w> but my old kernel boots fine
[13:28] <tanath> ripps, ah. well, personally i don't have any ntfs drives. haven't had windows on my comp in years
[13:28] <tanath> not since it crashed and corrupted the FAT, and i lost ~140Gb of data
[13:29] <tanath> then i switched to linux
[13:29] <Assid> tanath: still waiting for that to happen to me
[13:29] <jac0b|w> is anyone else having the VFS problem?
[13:29] <tanath> Assid, hopefully you keep waiting :P
[13:29] <Assid> so i can say "ahh screw windows.. tiredof this.."
[13:29] <ripps> Not me...
[13:29] <tanath> Assid, heh. no need for an excuse
[13:30] <tanath> Assid, you can always dual-boot...
[13:30] <Assid> trust me.. id ont dual boot
[13:30] <tanath> ?
[13:30] <Assid> im now thinking of hackintosh
[13:30] <tanath> why no dual-boot?
[13:30] <Assid> cause i know myself
[13:30] <Assid> i never get myself to do it
[13:30] <tanath> o.O
[13:30] <beilabs> has anyone been having issues with Pidgin crashing on the latest updates with Hardy?
[13:30] <jac0b|w> what version kernel are you running the latest or something else
[13:30] <tanath> beilabs, nope
[13:30] <Assid> id rather stick to the os im using
[13:31] <tanath> Assid, but when you do have an issue, it'd be nice to have the alternative OS to boot to ;)
[13:31] <tanath> Assid, can help with troubleshooting & fixing
[13:31] <Assid> aah.. thats where my live cd comes in
[13:31] <tanath> ah
[13:31] <Assid> or windows PE worse case scenario
[13:32] <tanath> but that's slower, and doesn't remember customizations, etc
[13:32] <ripps> I've been using the latest rt kernel instead of generic. Most of my issues are gone.
[13:32] <Assid> who cares abt custoization if your just troubleshooting
[13:32] <tanath> bah
[13:32] <Assid> :P
[13:32] <chimp> Quick question, is the official release tonight at 12.00 UTC?
[13:32] <tanath> Assid, really though, if you want to try it, why not dive in?
[13:32] <Assid> tanath: i was using it..
[13:32] <tanath> Assid, maybe just set up another box with it
[13:32] <Assid> tanath: gave away my 2nd box..  not enough space
[13:33] <tanath> ah well
[13:33] <tanath> you'll prolly switch eventually
[13:33] <Assid> i guess
[13:33] <tanath> to something, anyway
[13:33] <Assid> honestly getting tired of the same ol interface
[13:33] <Assid> yeah
[13:33] <jac0b|w> could my kernel problem be that I am using ext3
[13:34] <Assid> hence why im eyeing hackintosh
[13:34] <tanath> but really, nothing else compares to my personally configured linbox
[13:34] <jac0b|w> and its not loading that driver
[13:34] <tanath> i feel crippled on other systems
[13:34] <Assid> what you configured?
[13:34] <JPSman> where are the kernel drivers located on the desktop-alt cd?
[13:34] <tanath> lots of things
[13:34] <ripps> Does anybody know how close ext4 is to completion?
[13:34] <Assid> tanath: if compiz gets a bit more stable.. it has alot of potential
[13:35] <Assid> would be sweet if adobe starts supporting linux native apps
[13:35] <tanath> but windows doesn't even have the powerful shell other systems do
[13:35] <tanath> Assid, true... i imagine it will get that way with hardy coming out
[13:35] <Assid> err no
[13:35] <tanath> it's a significant release. the 2nd LTS
[13:35] <Assid> personally i think its gonna be hardy+1 when compiz is a bit more "stable"
[13:35] <Assid> it could be because of nvidia drivers.. i dont know
[13:36] <tanath> i mean, with the release of hardy, it will become so, and will be by the time of intrepid
[13:36] <tanath> that's my bet
[13:36] <JPSman> im looking specifically for /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2500.ko
[13:36] <Assid> it has potential
[13:36] <Assid> i mean real potential
[13:36] <tanath> indeed
[13:36] <JPSman> where is that loacted (what package) on the install CD?
[13:37] <JPSman> or how can I find it?
[13:37] <tanath> aero doesn't even compare to it, but is a resource hog. according to MS's min specs, i couldn't run it, but i can do much more with compiz with ease
[13:37] <mib_ne93bkrq> hello all
[13:38] <Assid> tanath: well aeros isnt even in the same ball park
[13:38] <Assid> tanath: would like to see it compete against something competable.. like macintosh systems
[13:38] <tanath> Assid, you don't think it does? personally i haven't used a mac in years, so..
[13:39] <Assid> tanath: too many crashes to be certain
[13:39] <tanath> Assid, oh, i thought you meant in terms of features
[13:39] <Assid> also.. one thing it does enjoy is the shell integrates with its gui interface
[13:39] <tanath> Assid, i'm pretty sure compiz does more
[13:39] <Assid> try it
[13:40] <tanath> Assid, but it's getting there in terms of stability
[13:40] <Assid> yeah
[13:40] <Assid> i dont know who to blame.. people say nvidia drivers
[13:40] <Assid> but then.. at the end of the day.. users cant use it perfectly can they
[13:40] <x-ip> hi, i was reading the doc at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Elbuntu?action=show&redirect=Ebuntu#head-e5b8ed2e7cb0398b7959809b718f1950bc379ca6 to install e17 at my hardy heron, but the repository link gives me a 404. Its possible to install e17 at hardy heron ?
[13:40] <tanath> Assid, well nvidia & ati/amd are becoming more open with their drivers, so i expect improvement
[13:41] <x-ip> well, if there is a valid repository
[13:41] <Assid> right.. "expect" is something of long term future
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, it's pretty stable if you don't use certain plugins
[13:41] <Assid> at the moment.. people suffer
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, i've turned off useless stuff, like the animations
[13:41] <Assid> then whats the fun in that
[13:41] <tanath> Assid, and it rarely has probs now
[13:41] <manfromns> hello
[13:41] <Assid> i got a nvidia 8600gts card. cmon i want to make use of it
[13:42] <tanath> assasukasse, i mean the 'animations' plugin. i stick to the useful stuff, like the cube, zooming, negative, put, etc
[13:42] <manfromns> if i upgrade to hardy will i lose files etc
[13:42] <Assid> not in microsoft's sense where it will still crawl cause of bad coding
[13:42] <kahrytan> Ladies and Gentlemen, I need some help configuring xorg.conf on 1440x900 native monitor   that doesnt support 800x600 63,64hz refresh. I need to tell xorg not to use those refresh rates. Can someone help me?
[13:42] <odious> hi. can we download 8.04 yet? :)
[13:42] <kahrytan> I tried to do myself but failed.
[13:42] <Jeeves_> HALLO!
[13:42] <Assid> odious: try back in 24 hours
[13:42] <tanath> odious, you can
[13:42] <kahrytan> odious->  RC you can.
[13:42] <HardyOne> hey Jeeves_ can I ask you something?
[13:42] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Sure
[13:42] <tanath> odious, you can run 'sudo update-manager -d' to upgrade
[13:43] <odious> is it still 24 hours?
[13:43] <tanath> or gksu instead of sudo
[13:43] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Well?
[13:43] <tanath> kahrytan, did you play with displayconfig-gtk?
[13:44] <odious> i've always been dubious about dist-upgrade :P
[13:44] <tanath> odious, always been good to me
[13:44] <tanath> odious, as long as you're careful with your repos anyway
[13:44] <manfromns> can it be done with wireless?
[13:44] <HardyOne> Jeeves_: lmao I did!
[13:44] <kahrytan> tanath-> Never heard of that.
[13:45] <HardyOne> Ask Jeeves_ ! could not help myself
[13:45] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: rotflmao!
[13:45] <Jeeves_> You toooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny dude!
[13:45] <Jeeves_> Did you think of that one yourselve?
[13:45] <tanath> kahrytan, run 'gksu displayconfig-gkt' and it'll give a gui for configuring x
[13:45] <Pici> LD
[13:45] <HardyOne> no need to be a jack ass about it Jeeves_
[13:45] <tanath> kahrytan, mainly for getting the right driver, but you can select the resolution too
[13:45] <Jeeves_> Or did you go to school for that
[13:45] <HardyOne> :/
[13:46] <HardyOne> I didnt say it was a good joke
[13:46] <tanath> kahrytan, and refresh rate
[13:46] <Andycasss> With this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???
[13:46] <kahrytan> tanath-> for what?
[13:46] <tanath> kahrytan, hm?
[13:46] <kahrytan> tanath-> monitor?
[13:47] <Jeeves_> HardyOne: Cry-baby
[13:47] <tanath> kahrytan, is there another kind of video refresh rate?
[13:47] <_Rambaldi_> i have terrible video jittering ( blockiness) especially when it pans horizontally what can i fix this, its rather annoying in fullscreen, all kinda of video so far no fix
[13:47] <kahrytan> tanath->  What do you mean?
[13:47] <tanath> _Rambaldi_, you using the right driver?
[13:47] <tanath> kahrytan, what do you mean? lol
[13:47] <kahrytan> tanath->  I got list of supported refresh rates for all support resolutions
[13:47] <HardyOne> Jeeves_: ok. let's start over. Hello Jeeves_ !
[13:48] <_Rambaldi_> i thought i was tanath
[13:48] <_Rambaldi_> how to do i find out which driver i am using
[13:48] <tanath> kahrytan, will you be changing your resolution or refresh rate? or do you just want to pick one to use that works and you're satisfied with?
[13:49] <kahrytan> tanath->  I have a hard bug you see, #220952 zI think
[13:50] <kahrytan> tanath-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220952
[13:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New]
[13:50] <kahrytan> tanath->  I narrowed it down to, thanks to amyrose, to the fact the system may using refresh rates at 800x600 that monitor DOES NOT support.
[13:50] <tanath> kahrytan, ah...
[13:50] <Adys> Any idea how to reenable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point, probably when i upgraded to hh a while ago
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath->  understand now?
[13:51] <jepler> with kernel linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_amd64.deb I don't have a /dev/cdrom.  I haven't found a launchpad bug for this -- anyone know a search term I might try?
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, you might be able to configure the game to use a higher resolution
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, yep
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath->  Some of them, likes to reset itself.. game bug.
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, might be difficult without actually running the game...
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, damn
[13:51] <tanath> kahrytan, that sounds like quite a PITA
[13:51] <kahrytan> tanath-> Wolfstein: ET for one
[13:52] <aoupi> hi, how do I erase data on a DVD+RW?
[13:52] <kahrytan> tanath->  So i guess I have to need to tell xorg what refresh rates to use for 800x600
[13:52] <odious> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop <- so at 12:01AM GMT, 24 april?
[13:52] <odious> :P
[13:52] <Pici> odious: no, when its done
[13:52] <aoupi> both nautilus gives me errors without any information
[13:52] <aoupi> *both nautilus and brasero
[13:52] <tanath> _Rambaldi_, you can configure your driver, et all with 'gksu displayconfig-gtk' and make sure you're using the right driver (by testing) and checking for direct rendering with 'glxinfo | grep -i direct'
[13:52] <kahrytan> tanath->  that tool you gave me,... it doesnt detect my monitor.
[13:53] <_Rambaldi_> thanks tanath
[13:53] <tanath> kahrytan, you can select the make & model manually
[13:53] <odious> Pici: okay, so it's still in the process of being put together. wow! you guys scrumming or something? :)
[13:53] <kahrytan> tanath->  not listed
[13:53] <Assid> "The combination of Linux and Firefox make Ubuntu 8.04 LTS a superb web desktop, with fast browsing and greatly reduced exposure to viruses, web forgery and spyware." ?
[13:53] <Assid> viruses ? spyware ?!?
[13:54] <tanath> kahrytan, hm. often a similar make & model will suffice
[13:54] <kahrytan> tanath->  nor Generic LCD 1440x900 will give 1440x900 resolution
[13:54] <tanath> kahrytan, or that... damn
[13:54] <kahrytan> Viewsonic VA1916w
[13:54] <tanath> Assid, ?
[13:55] <Assid> tanath: its there: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[13:55] <wingydingy> how do i install a patch?
[13:55] <wingydingy> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13831729/macbook-backlight-mmap.patch is the patch i need to install
[13:55] <tanath> Assid, yeah, but your reaction...
[13:56] <Assid> err we dont have "viruses , spyware" as suych
[13:56] <kahrytan> tanath->  wait a minute. Generic LCD i didnt check widescreen box.
[13:56] <Assid> pretty much proof of concept
[13:56] <tanath> Assid, well there are viruses, though they're rare
[13:56] <tanath> yeah
[13:56] <Assid> not really.. cause even if you download em
[13:56] <Assid> they arent executable
[13:57] <tanath> Assid, there really isn't much but it's not completely non-existent
[13:57] <tanath> Assid, wine
[13:57] <guillem101> tanath, technically, they are either worms or trojans
[13:57] <Assid> well wine maps back to C: which is again ~.wine/
[13:58] <Assid> so even if ytou delete that.. you dont mess the system
[13:58] <tanath> Assid, linux would be vulnerable to certain JS exploits. there's a polymorphic javascript virus for win that i think would work on linux too
[13:58] <Assid> well js exploits and XSS yeah
[13:58] <kahrytan> tanath->  umm generic does the support resolutions wong but 800 and 1400 have good refresh rates
[13:58] <tanath> guillem101, there's a virus that comes with a man page, with removal instructions... :D
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, well you can tweak the xorg.conf file after that...
[13:59] <guillem101> tanath, sudo apt-get install virus
[13:59] <Andycasss> With this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???
[13:59] <kahrytan> tanath->  make basic conf then tweak it?
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, yeah
[13:59] <tanath> kahrytan, you could run 'sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to configure x too
[14:00] <tanath> and specify refresh rates, etc
[14:00] <kahrytan> tanath-> i did that once ... It was gibbish  to me
[14:00] <tanath> kahrytan, usually you can just hit enter on stuff you don't know
[14:01] <tanath> kahrytan, but you said you have the list of refresh rates and stuff. you can just limit it to what you know is good
[14:01] <kahrytan> tanath->  itdidnt do anything
[14:01] <tanath> kahrytan, ?
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, there are long complicated lines you can add to xorg.conf by hand...
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, hold on
[14:02] <kahrytan> tanath->  oh wait
[14:02] <tanath> kahrytan, i actually have an example you can use from my own xorg.conf
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, you can tweak it accordingly
[14:03] <kahrytan> i just saved toconf
[14:03] <kahrytan> !pastebin
[14:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:03] <kahrytan> tanath->  wanna see?
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, http://pastebin.ca/994471
[14:03] <tanath> kahrytan, see what?
[14:03] <kahrytan> tanath->  this doesnt make sense to me.. 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932
[14:04] <tanath> erm
[14:04] <kahrytan> I figured out why my edit was bad.. I did 800x600_60
[14:04] <tanath> where'd you get that from?
[14:04] <tanath> heh
[14:04] <kahrytan>  modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
[14:05] <kahrytan> I did modeline "1440x900_75" "800x600_60"
[14:05] <tanath> so you can fix it then
[14:05] <kahrytan> I used nano in tty
[14:05] <kahrytan> Does it have to have the extra numbers to work?
[14:06] <tanath> ah, no x server?
[14:06] <kahrytan> low graphics
[14:06] <tanath> personally, i prefer vim
[14:06] <tanath> oh. why not gedit then?
[14:06] <kahrytan> nano seemed easier
[14:06] <kahrytan> i need what i edited and and i could remove it
[14:06] <kahrytan> and I know nano
[14:06] <tanath> kahrytan, the stuff on the end? not sure
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, well, yeah, whatever you know
[14:07] <kahrytan> there was no modeline to start.
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, but gedit is easiest
[14:07] <kahrytan> I uses tty
[14:07] <kahrytan> no x
[14:07] <tanath> kahrytan, you said low graphics...
[14:07] <tanath> meh
[14:08] <kahrytan> I made a backup setting in that tool
[14:08] <kahrytan> the original
[14:09] <inf> heya bazhang
[14:09] <kahrytan> tanath->  what tool you use for that vsync numbers>
[14:09] <tanath> kahrytan, i forget...
[14:09] <bazhang> inf: couple of ways to do it
[14:10] <tanath> xvidtune perhaps
[14:10] <inf> update-manager --devel-release?
[14:10] <inf> just seen that on link above...
[14:10] <bazhang> inf you can update-manager -d then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:10] <kahrytan> tanath->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[14:10] <kahrytan> tanath->  thats where my idea for _ came from
[14:11] <bazhang> inf or just edit sources.list from gutsy to hardy and then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:11] <inf> wonderful, I presume it'll update any changes tomorrow come the release if I move the devel tags?
[14:11] <bazhang> or was that just sudo apt-get upgrade the second instance? I forget
[14:11] <inf> i'll have a read around ta
[14:12] <bazhang> inf if you wait til tomorrow the downloads will be slower
[14:12] <inf> is what I thought, beat the rush a bit...!
[14:12] <bazhang> inf: if you upgrade to hardy then just keep updating, then you will be final tomorrow ;]
[14:13] <kahrytan> tanath-> Suggestion: xresprobe
[14:13] <inf> awesome ta ;)
[14:13] <bazhang> no worries ;]
[14:14] <inf> ... now to figure out if I can get away from desk and grab 'coffee' for an hour :-D
[14:14] <kahrytan> tanath->  you there?
[14:14] <tanath> sometimes.. :P
[14:14] <tanath> i think i used xvidtune
[14:14] <kahrytan> tanath-> freq: 24-82 50-75 thats H and V freq for monitor?
[14:15] <tanath> looks like it
[14:15] <Derspankster> I've just noticed something strange. FF3 will not open a site that is readily accessible on my other computers. I've never seen this before. Could it somehow have been blacklisted?  It just won't connect!
[14:15] <kahrytan> tanath-> xresprob gave me id: VA1916wSERIE ;res: 1440x1440 1440x900 1280x1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x400 640x480 ; freq: 24-82 50-75
[14:16] <koudelka> has anyone here been using likewise open on 8.04?
[14:16] <tanath> kahrytan, ok, so you can use that to configure your xorg.conf...
[14:17] <Leeuw> how do I get my toolbar back in kopete ?   I ticked ´ flat´  and now it´ s gone, can´ t gettit back...
[14:17] <tanath> Derspankster, any trouble with other sites on that comp?
[14:17] <tanath> Derspankster, they using the same connection?
[14:17] <Derspankster> tanath: no, not that I can determine. All boxes are on my network - yes.
[14:18] <tanath> Derspankster, try using ff3 on another box?
[14:18] <kahrytan> tanath-> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl?
[14:18] <goodhabit> Hello. Totem is changing color settings automatilcally. How to fix that annoying feauture?
[14:19] <tanath> kahrytan, looks handy
[14:19] <Derspankster> I have FF3 installed on my Windows XP box. The site loads fine. My other Ubuntu computers are all running Gutsy with FF2 and they all connect to the site.
[14:19] <tanath> goodhabit, use mplayer or vlc? :P
[14:19] <jaffarkelshac> how can i save the current settings of compiz
[14:20] <kahrytan> tanath->  do i need modelines>
[14:20] <goodhabit> tanath, don't like fullscreen interface of both of them.
[14:20] <jac0b|w> I can't boot the new kernel after I upgraded I get a kernel panic root device not found, can anyone help me
[14:20] <tanath> Derspankster, hm.. personally i use swiftfox 3... it's a tweaked version for speed. you might try it
[14:20] <kahrytan> tanath  is real popular tonight
[14:20] <tanath> heh
[14:20] <tanath> i haven't even eaten breakfast yet
[14:21] <tanath> i came to ask a question, which ended up not needing answering, and got caught up helping people :P
[14:21] <tanath> jaffarkelshac, there's a button for that in the compiz config app
[14:21] <Derspankster> tanath: that's a thought but I think this issue has something to do with this specific install of FF3 and the site in question.
[14:22] <tanath> Derspankster, well, i'd recommend swiftfox anyway, and if it solves the problem... ;)
[14:22] <kahrytan> tanath->  im gonna be crazy and try my orginal but with @
[14:22] <tanath> kahrytan, you have a backup, so feel free
[14:23] <chimp> What time is Hardy being released at?
[14:23] <tanath> kahrytan, i'm not exactly an expert in this area. i just know what i've needed to learn to get mine working, basically
[14:23] <tanath> some time tomorrow...
[14:23] <rsk> chimp: don't think it's that exact..
[14:23] <tanath> it prolly won't change much if at all between now and then
[14:23] <chimp> Is the RC now going to be the same as the final?
[14:24] <chimp> I wanna burn a couple of cds, dont wanna waste em
[14:24] <kahrytan> tanath->  I just added thisd to original Modes		"1440x800@75" "800x600@60"
[14:24] <Pici> chimp: no
[14:26] <Nom-> wow vmware tools installed by default in 8.04? :D
[14:26] <dystopianray> Nom-: no
[14:26] <koudelka> it's a restricted driver
[14:26] <tanath> Derspankster, what exactly is the error?
[14:26] <Nom-> No?  Oh well.. vmware desktop must just have come a long way since the last time I used it
[14:27] <koudelka> what version are you using?
[14:27] <Derspankster> tanath: it just won't load, times out.
[14:27] <dystopianray> Nom-: I think there was some unsupported open source version of the vm tools in 8.04 at one point, but has since been removed
[14:27] <Nom-> hmm what did work send me... 6.something
[14:27] <tanath> Derspankster, trying pinging the site from that box?
[14:27] <koudelka> the new v6 beta should do seamless desktop and work together with compiz
[14:27] <Derspankster> tanath: by the way, it's www.dslreports.com
[14:27] <Nom-> ooooh ok... the installer seems to really like VMWare... the CD I just downloaded might be out of date i guess
[14:27] <tanath> oh...
[14:27] <koudelka> that is in linux
[14:28] <dystopianray> Nom-: did you get the RC?
[14:28] <Nom-> Yup
[14:28] <Nom-> ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:28] <Derspankster> tanath: I can ping dslreports just fine
[14:29] <tanath> Derspankster, ok, so it's higher-level
[14:29] <Derspankster> tanath: yes
[14:29] <tanath> Derspankster, i forget, did you try another browser on that box?
[14:29] <dystopianray> Nom-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/011316.html
[14:29] <dystopianray> Nom-: the openvm tools were in ubuntu but were removed
[14:30] <mohbana> can i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?
[14:30] <Nom-> ah fair enough... thanks dystopianray
[14:30] <genie> Hello to all
[14:30] <Derspankster> tanath: FF2 is also installed and it cannot load the site either. Something changed in the past day or so.
[14:30] <genie> 'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:30] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, you might try simply reinstalling ff3 to see if that does it, but i'd recommend swiftfox anyway
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, ah..
[14:30] <Nom-> It's just the VMWare Workstation that's come a long way then
[14:30] <tanath> Derspankster, so it's not just the browser
[14:30] <genie> why I don't get prompted to put sudo password?!
[14:31] <Nom-> I used Virtual Infrastructure Client @ work which is clunky in comparison lol
[14:31] <Derspankster> tanath: it's kind of like it's been blacklisted but I get no indication that it has. It just won't resolve the IP
[14:31] <tanath> Derspankster, unless you're using the same profile
[14:31] <dystopianray> Nom-: they were removed on april 21, after the RC was released
[14:31] <dystopianray> genie: your user password is the sudo password
[14:32] <tanath> Derspankster, did you use the same profile for ff2 & 3?
[14:32] <kahrytan> tanath->  my mod to original didnt work
[14:32] <genie> dystopianray, I got promot for sudo for other things but not for this
[14:32] <Derspankster> tanath: yes, I thought of that but I have all along. I can try removing FF2
[14:32] <dystopianray> genie: for what?
[14:32] <dystopianray> genie: oh the usershare thing
[14:32] <Laibsch> Does hardy install both FF2 and FF3 on my machine?
[14:32] <tanath> Derspankster, no need. just make a new profile
[14:32] <kahrytan> tanath->  but tk thing did and i went to the mod it made. At leastm bono*** crashed nautilus so i rebooted.
[14:33] <Derspankster> tanath: the question arises though - why only this site?
[14:33] <genie> dystopianray, installation, but not for usershare
[14:33] <Nom-> so would you all recommend using 8.04 in a server upgrade happening in the next 3-4 months ?
[14:33] <dystopianray> genie: ok, well the sudo password is your user's password
[14:33] <genie> dystopianray, yes
[14:33] <tanath> Derspankster, run firefox with -ProfileManager
[14:33] <AaronMT> Is there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?
[14:33] <tanath> Derspankster, could be an extension
[14:34] <Derspankster> tanath: unless it's the fact that I'm a member and I auto login with a password. But, I have other sites where I do the same thing
[14:34] <tanath> kahrytan, i'm not sure i'm going to be much help to you right now. i don't have the time to spend to figure your prob out. sorry
[14:35] <kahrytan> tanath->  It works for now
[14:35] <genie> dystopianray, when I click on 'Create Share' I should get a box to enter sudo password but I don't get I got the error above
[14:35] <tanath> Derspankster, maybe login info is corrupt or something, and you've tried too many times
[14:35] <genie> dystopianray, do you think this is a bug?!
[14:35] <dystopianray> genie: no idea
[14:35] <genie> thanks dystopianray
[14:35] <tanath> Derspankster, i dunno. i'm too hungry to think right now
[14:35] <kahrytan> tanath->  Extreme Tux Race works .. at 800x600
[14:35] <tanath> kahrytan, woot
[14:36] <Assid> yikes!
[14:36]  * Assid plays assassins creed @ 1680x1050
[14:36] <tanath> heh
[14:36] <Derspankster> tanath: I'll continue to try to figure it out. I appreciate your help
[14:36] <tanath> i'll prolly be back here later. if you haven't figured it out by then, i might be able to help
[14:37] <kahrytan> tanath-> is this like a 1280x768 widescreen reso forsmaller monitor?
[14:37] <tanath> gotta go
[14:37] <tanath> bye all
[14:37] <kahrytan> noooooooooooooo
[14:37] <tanath> :/
[14:37] <kahrytan> tanath is my favto ask for helpwith
[14:37] <tanath> kahrytan, same to you
[14:37] <tanath> heh
[14:38] <tanath> be back later. if you haven't figured it out, i'll see what i can do
[14:38] <genie> 'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:38] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:38] <genie> why I cannot create a share ?
[14:38] <genie> is this bug ?!
[14:38] <jonph> do you have access permissions to that directory?
[14:39] <genie> I login with regulare user
[14:39] <jaffarkelshac> i think its a bug, coz i had that problem but it mysteriously went away
[14:39] <genie> but when I create a share I should get promote to enter sudo password
[14:39] <genie> but I am not getting that promote
[14:40] <genie> I am runing 8.04
[14:40] <kahrytan> im such an idiot
[14:40] <genie> 32 bit
[14:40] <koudelka> genie, you've never got that promote since the install?
[14:40] <kahrytan> I dididnt know my v-sync and h-sync for monitor
[14:40] <koudelka> promt*
[14:41] <kahrytan> and manual said it and I didnt see it
[14:41] <genie> koudelka, I got it when I try to install or update
[14:41] <jaffarkelshac> gene, is there a like that saids Ask the administrator to add the line "usershare owner only = False"
[14:41] <jaffarkelshac> in the error
[14:42] <genie> where I have to put it
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> in the smb.conf
[14:43] <jaffarkelshac> gksu gedit /etc/smb.conf
[14:43] <Mimi> update-manager --devel-release   .... so that's all i need to do to upgrade to hardy.... ? wow :P
[14:43] <Baby_Shambl3s> hi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button
[14:43] <Baby_Shambl3s> ?
[14:44] <Leeuw> anyone know how to get toolbar back in KOpete ?   I ticked 'flat' and it disappeared, now I can't gettit back...
[14:44] <AaronMT> Is there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?
[14:44] <genie> no file with this name /etc/smb.conf
[14:44] <jaffarkelshac> sorry /etc/samba/smb.conf
[14:46] <genie> I have to put this line :  "usershare owner only = false"
[14:46] <Baby_Shambl3s> hi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button?
[14:48] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s:  I saw your question and I have the same problem myself sometimes, nbut i dont know :/
[14:48] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I have to enter this line:  "usershare owner only = false" ?!
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> yes genie, sorry
[14:48] <jaffarkelshac> there should be a line "usershare allow guests = yes" put it underneath that
[14:49] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: :( guess need to ask later on but why are the only ones having this problem, i know before the updates i made i didnt have the issue :/... im still wondering is it ok for hardy to be released tommorow
[14:50] <Mimi> see, i also had the issue before updating to hardy's so meh :( it's random.
[14:50] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone tell me if flash is working well with hardy if so which version i.e. adobe flash/sfw/gnash o_0???
[14:50] <a_l_e> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is there any reason why hardy has a program which is called vim but is not vim?
[14:50] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that's a problem i had with 7.10
[14:50] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, and 7.04
[14:51] <jaffarkelshac> did this work genie?
[14:51] <koudelka> not had it with 8.04 yet tough
[14:51] <genie> jaffarkelshac, how to restart samba?
[14:51] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, flash is working for me, haven't had any problem with it
[14:51] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it's smaller i guess, space on the cd is quite precious
[14:51] <mohbana> can i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?
[14:51] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: 0_o you had the shutdown issue in 7.10 hmmmm weird shouldnt happen and you still havent found a solution...
[14:52] <dystopianray> mohbana: no
[14:52] <noodles12> so how's hardy guys?
[14:52] <Mimi> yes after tomorrow there will be an app called Wubi and you can install ubuntu from windows itlsef   mohbana
[14:52] <jaffarkelshac> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[14:52] <Derspankster> tanath: I think you're gone but I fixed my FF3 issue. I created a new profile, used it (still couldn't resolve the site) but then I deleted the new profile, went back to the old profile and now the site resolves. Have no clue why.
[14:52] <Leeuw> Baby_Shambl3s: I tried Gnash, it didn't get the applet I used on my page right, then I got adobe and it was fine, so I suggest Adobe (eventhough it's restricted, it works...)
[14:52] <Pici> a_l_e: You may need to isntall vim-full to see full functionality
[14:52] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: are you using adobe flash? if so are you using it  with alsa or pulse audio?
[14:52] <mohbana> Mimi, so i can even specify the partion size etc?
[14:52] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s:  I havent tried looking for a solution yet :p  it happens quite randomly... so it doenst affect me most times
[14:52] <jaffarkelshac> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart genie
[14:52] <a_l_e> dystopianray: well, don't tell me that this version doesn't support this command, then! tell me that what i started with the vim command is not vim!
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, actually that's a problem flash seem to just work with alsa
[14:53] <dystopianray> a_l_e: pardon?
[14:53] <mohbana> is it being released at midnight?
[14:53] <a_l_e> Pici: i've just found out, thanks!
[14:53] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I restart it and try to make share but I got same error : 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[14:53] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, so when i have firefox with flash running i can't get sound from any pulse application :/
[14:53] <Pici> a_l_e: That has been the case for as long as I have used Ubuntu, it is not new to Hardy
[14:53] <Pici> mohbana, Hardy will be released some time during the 24th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[14:53] <Mimi> mohbana try this website: Wubi is the application that does the ubuntu install from Windows: http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php
[14:53] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, and the other way around if i had a pulse app first
[14:53] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: ahhhh i envy you mine is constant it takes freaking 3-5min for the shutdown options to popup not even m$ XP was that slow :/
[14:54] <a_l_e> dystopianray: if you try to use quite normal features of vim, you get that error.
[14:54] <dystopianray> a_l_e: becuase it's not really vim
[14:54] <jaffarkelshac> can you pastebin your smb.conf genie
[14:54] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, i think it's because of some 3'rd party install you have made i got that some times to but never figured out what it was.
[14:54] <genie> yes
[14:54] <genie> jaffarkelshac, just wait
[14:55] <a_l_e> Pici: so, i have to think that i'm using ubuntu since longer than you are, since i've never installed vim over a faked version of vim on this ubuntu i'm using now!
[14:55] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, you can make your own shutdown icon that links to the poweroff command
[14:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: yeha havent tried pulse yet but been reading awful replies to it, will be checking out OSS as the whole only one sound stream thing with alsa is annoying
[14:55] <oholiks> how do I get xmms back?
[14:55] <Pici> a_l_e: Its definitly not a new thing to Hardy.
[14:55] <a_l_e> dystopianray: yes, and i'd like him to tell me, he's not vim.
[14:55] <oholiks> or another program that can enqueue from the command line/load m3u from webpages
[14:55] <genie> jaffarkelshac, #
[14:55] <genie> # Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <genie> # This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the
[14:55] <genie> # smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed
[14:55] <dystopianray> a_l_e: who?
[14:55] <genie> # here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options most of which
[14:55] <Pici> a_l_e: Log a bug if you think it should be changed, but its not  Hardy problem
[14:55] <genie> # are not shown in this example
[14:55] <genie> #
[14:55] <a_l_e> dystopianray: the faked vim
[14:55] <genie> # Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)
[14:55] <genie> # is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #
[14:55] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, for the applications that use pulse, pulse is fantastic
[14:55] <genie> # for commentary and a ; for parts of the config file that you
[14:55] <genie> # may wish to enable
[14:56] <genie> #
[14:56] <a_l_e> Pici: it's a hardy problem, yes!
[14:56] <genie> # NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command
[14:56] <jaffarkelshac> genie stop
[14:56] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I could but what is the point of that when I have a default one in my trayicon, I would like to get that one working porperly
[14:56] <Pici> hmmm
[14:56] <jaffarkelshac> genie pastebin.ubuntu.com
[14:56] <Pici> !paste > genie (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[14:56] <dystopianray> a_l_e: this vim problem is in all ubuntu versions, it's not unique to hardy
[14:56] <Pici> a_l_e: No it is not.
[14:56] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I'm not sure but i think pulse is great for those with multiple speakers but also if you dont want to be limited to just one sound stream
[14:57] <a_l_e> dystopianray: as i've written, the ubuntu version i'm using now, didn't have that problem... i'm almost sure of it!¨
[14:57] <genie> jaffarkelshac, the file too bug
[14:57] <genie> jaffarkelshac, how to upload to you?
[14:57] <a_l_e> and i'm using the current long time support version of ubuntu... not something very strange.
[14:58] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, alsa mixes the stream together
[14:58] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you are mistaken, vim on ubuntu has always been like this
[14:58] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  have you read through the forums about that logout button?
[14:58] <dystopianray> a_l_e: well at least in all the releases i've used
[14:58] <jaffarkelshac> genie, open the file and copy the contents and paste at pastebin.ubuntu.com and send me the link like this (this is mine) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7850/
[14:59] <a_l_e> dystopianray: did you use 6.06?
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no i started with 6.10, maybe it was different in 6.06
[14:59] <dbmood1>  final countdown anyone ?
[14:59] <a_l_e> dystopianray: is 6.10 the current long term support?
[14:59] <Nom-> oo... still perl 5.8.8 .. that almost surprises me :)
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no
[14:59] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 6.10 is an old release
[15:00] <Nom-> 6.06 LTS
[15:00] <a_l_e> dystopianray: 6.10 is the current long term support release!
[15:00] <dystopianray> a_l_e: no it's not
[15:00] <Nom->  Ubuntu 7.10 - Supported to 2009
[15:00] <Nom->  Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - Supported to 2011
[15:00] <Pici> a_l_e: No. 6.10 is not an LTS
[15:00] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka; o_0 so the logout button is an actual issue people have had I thought it was new, nope havent checked the forums, will do so
[15:00] <a_l_e> dystopianray: soryy, 6.06 is the current LTS, the one i'm using.
[15:00] <genie> jaffarkelshac, here the link: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7851/
[15:01] <a_l_e> and here there was no faked vim... maybe no vim at all, but surely not a faked one.
[15:01] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  no it's an old issue that i have got some times and suddenly it went away
[15:01] <dystopianray> a_l_e: well things have changed in two years
[15:01] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/123078
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123078 in gnome-session "System -> Quit takes a long time to appear" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:01] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: I know that alsa mixxes stream together but have you tried using 3 apps with different sounds, alsa wont allow it at elast not on my comp
[15:02] <PriceChild> 1208933757 07:55:57 <+Hobbsee> elky_work: i thought they found more people, so shouldn't ahve that problem.
[15:02] <a_l_e> dystopianray: but two years are not: it has always been like this. most of all if in all that time no "stable" version has been issued (stable, for somone who doesn't want to install a system every six month!)
[15:02] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that's strange i think i've had lots of apps running with different sounds
[15:03] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s,  alsa should take it all
[15:03] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you can't expect to keep up to date on how things work if you dont' follow new releases
[15:03] <peter77> I'm getting random system freezes, the system does not respond to keyboard input in all of these cases!
[15:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: thanx for the link and nah ive got mpd runnign if i tried running rhythmbox the sound wont play one reason that stops me using musical apps in ubuntu :(
[15:04] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i don't want to be uptodate, i want a running system.
[15:04] <dbmood1> what why are kicking or banning people ?
[15:04] <Baby_Shambl3s> is it me or is PriceChild banning a lot of users?
[15:05] <PriceChild> dbmood1: /mode -b
[15:05] <Pici> dbmood1: They are unbans
[15:05] <PriceChild> unbans..
[15:05] <dbmood1> oh
[15:05] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, that might be because mpd is configured to use oss?
[15:05] <koudelka> Baby_Shambl3s, check so they all use alsa
[15:05] <dystopianray> a_l_e: then stick with 6.06 for a few more years
[15:05] <HardyOne> a_l_e: every six months Ubuntu releases a stable version and then begins work on the next stable version. this next version 8.04 is going to be a LTS meaning it will be supported for at least 3 years that is pretty stable if you ask me
[15:05] <peter77> can anyone help with my freezing problems?
[15:05] <Pici> a_l_e: Looks like vim-full was not in dapper, but put into dapper-backports at some point in time.  Nevertheless, it has been present in everything since edgy
[15:05] <Baby_Shambl3s> koudelka: nope i configured it for alsa the config file is straight forward
[15:06] <koudelka> thats strange maybe there's a bug in the driver for your audiocard
[15:06] <dbmood1> ok so what is with the mass unbanning
[15:06] <Pici> dbmood1: ban list is full
[15:06] <dbmood1> price why not just unban * ? -- if that is possible
[15:06] <a_l_e> HardyOne: exactly what i'm saying, sorry: my system is the most recent official release for my platform and is not outdated until tomorrow.
[15:06] <Baby_Shambl3s> PriceChild: thats a lot of unbans seems like it will take a while
[15:06] <dystopianray> a_l_e: for your platform? are you running ppc or something?
[15:07] <HardyOne> a_l_e: guess it is all a matter of perspective
[15:07] <genie> jaffarkelshac, the text which I added correct?!
[15:07] <a_l_e> dystopianray: exactly.
[15:07] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 6.06 will be supported until 2011, there is no need to jump straight onto 8.04
[15:07] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you find any error in .conf file?!
[15:07] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 8.04 doesn't even officially support ppc
[15:07] <HardyOne> ppc support was dropped when they went intel
[15:08] <a_l_e> dystopianray: that's why i've bought a new computer without ppc
[15:08] <jaffarkelshac> its almost identical to mine, no errors that i can see, i even pasted your smb.conf and i am able to share genie
[15:08] <Baby_Shambl3s> HardyOne: why would it be dropped casue they went intel?
[15:08] <dbmood1> jaffarkelshac: try apt-get --purge remove samba
[15:08] <dbmood1> --- then start again / reuse the conf file again
[15:08] <HardyOne> Baby_Shambl3s: actually I have no idea why it was dropped :/
[15:09] <koudelka> probably too much work
[15:09] <Baby_Shambl3s> dbmood1: sheeeez dotn get banned :)
[15:09] <genie> jaffarkelshac, when you share did you got a promote for sudo password?!
[15:09] <dbmood1> what ?
[15:09] <jaffarkelshac> no genie
[15:09] <dbmood1> he can apt-get install samba...after that ?
[15:10] <Baby_Shambl3s> dbmood1: jk dont worry if you didnt get it there is no point, just wasted a poor joke :/
[15:10] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you see what error I got?!
[15:10] <HardyOne> a_l_e: you can argue that windows is not ever stable either do to updates every day
[15:10] <jaffarkelshac> is the error the same as before? i want to read it again genie
[15:10] <a_l_e> HardyOne: am i using windows?
[15:10] <HardyOne> do/due
[15:10] <genie> jaffarkelshac, 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[15:10] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[15:11] <koudelka> jaffarkelshac, code wants to be wrong
[15:11] <koudelka> that's just how it is :P
[15:11] <HardyOne> a_l_e: that is not what I said but no OS is ever really stable if you think of it
[15:11] <koudelka> HardyOne, *
[15:11] <genie> jaffarkelshac, check your permission in /var/lib/samba/usershares
[15:11] <a_l_e> HardyOne: did i say that ubuntu is not  stable?
[15:11] <HardyOne> koudelka: *??
[15:11] <koudelka> my message was to you :P
[15:11] <koudelka> code wants to be wrong
[15:12] <Baby_Shambl3s> nice song jamiroquai talula *completely offtopic*
[15:12] <dbmood1> ~stable
[15:12] <dbmood1> no bots today ?
[15:12] <dbmood1> !stable
[15:12] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[15:12] <HardyOne> a_l_e:  you are being confrontational ( feeling I have ) if I am of the mark please let me know but don't be condescending
[15:13] <Baby_Shambl3s> HardyOne: m$ did a great job lying to the world their OS was stable
[15:13] <koudelka> i wonder if there's some guide on how to make gui interfaces to commandline software using monodevelop
[15:13] <a_l_e> HardyOne: do you know what was the problem i was reporting?
[15:13] <koudelka> like simple ipdables editors or things like that
[15:14] <HardyOne> a_l_e: actualy no I jumped in mid convo so I may have misread what you were talking about
[15:14] <jaffarkelshac> genie, from that it seems you do not have write permission for that folder, what is the output for ls -l /var/lib/samba give you genie
[15:14] <a_l_e> HardyOne: my problem is, that hardy installs a faked vim and you have to find through the hard way the reason why "this version" doesn't support almost all the interesting features of vim.
[15:14] <dbmood1> ah multics
[15:14] <jaffarkelshac> genie, particually sambashare folder
[15:14] <dbmood1> multics was stable there was no panic function
[15:15] <genie> total 60
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 account_policy.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 group_mapping.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 ntdrivers.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root         696 2008-04-23 15:30 ntforms.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 ntprinters.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 passdb.tdb
[15:15] <Baby_Shambl3s> well time for work
[15:15] <genie> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 perfmon
[15:15] <genie> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 printers
[15:15]  * Baby_Shambl3s bye
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root       16384 2008-04-23 16:52 registry.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        8192 2008-04-23 15:30 secrets.tdb
[15:15] <genie> drwxrwx--T 2 root sambashare  4096 2008-04-23 15:30 usershares
[15:15] <genie> genie@genie02:~$
[15:15] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you see it?
[15:15] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it has been like this in all the recent releases
[15:15] <HardyOne> a_l_e: I see. well I don't know why it is that way but reporting it and perhaps helping to correct the issue might be a project you can help with
[15:15] <a_l_e> HardyOne: the only answer i got was: it has always been like this. and as i've said that the current lts version i have, didn't have this problem
[15:15] <Hobbsee> !paste | genie
[15:15] <ubotu> genie: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:16] <Nom-> got spam?
[15:16] <a_l_e> ... i was flamed that i use an ancient version (2 years!!!)
[15:16] <Nom-> :)
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[15:16] <genie> sorry guys this is by mistake
[15:16] <a_l_e> HardyOne: i'm reporting it as a bug!
[15:16] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it's not a bug, it is intentinoal
[15:16] <a_l_e> dystopianray: what is intentional?
[15:16] <dystopianray> a_l_e: the minimal vim
[15:16] <dbmood1> -- perhaps there can be an anti-irc spam thing built into pidgin
[15:17] <Nom-> oh yeah... vim-tiny has been around for ages
[15:17] <jaffarkelshac> i am comfused as ever, clearly you have rwx access for sambashare i am not quiet sure how to help
[15:17] <a_l_e> dystopianray: that i have no clue that i have to google for the error to find out that vim is an alias to vim-tiny?
[15:17] <HardyOne> a_l_e: you have to remember that in this channel the people like to use Alpha and test bleeding edge so for them 2 years is ancient
[15:17] <Nom-> It annoys me to... #1 task on any new install: apt-get install vim-full
[15:17] <genie> jaffarkelshac, is this same user pc permission?!
[15:18] <Flannel> Nom-: Or just regular vim, if you don't like the gnome stuff
[15:18] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I mean same your pc ?!
[15:18] <a_l_e> HardyOne, dystopianray: it's ok for me to intall vim-tiny instead of vim, but this is not a usal thing and give a notice to ther user (on the other side, installing vim or elivs instead of vi is normal and doesn't need any special notice!)
[15:18] <eternal_p> good morning all...I have a weird problem...every once in a while, pidgin will crash...at that point, I can no longer run a new instance of firefox and/or even run terminal (it hangs after drawing the window), i have disabled Compz but it still won't draw....any thoughts?
[15:18] <jaffarkelshac> when you share a file, a conf file for that share is written in the usershare folder genie, yes its the same
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: vim is too large, space is very previous on the livecd
[15:19] <genie> jaffarkelshac, then why I cannot share?!
[15:19] <HardyOne> a_l_e: maybe it is all about size and trying to keep the install cd to a minimum
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: vim-tiny has been around for a long time as well
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: not even 2 years
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: that is a long time
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: this is nothing.
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: not in the corporate world and not in my home.
[15:20] <HardyOne> a_l_e: in software terms 2 years is a long time
[15:20] <a_l_e> it's a long time when you are 16... but then...
[15:20] <Nom-> 2 years is a painfully long time
[15:20] <jaffarkelshac> i am not sure why genie
[15:20] <dystopianray> a_l_e: tomorrow that 2 years will cover 4 separate releases of ubuntu
[15:21] <genie> jaffarkelshac, thanks for your help if you find any things let me know
[15:21] <Nom-> a project was kicked off 2 years ago to upgrade our production machines to debian sarge.  We're still using debian woody now, and hating it every minute... so many things done the dodgy way because the "upgrade" was coming soon
[15:21] <Nom-> *sigh*
[15:21] <a_l_e> dystopianray: and today 2 years doesn't cover even one lts release of ubuntu! so what?
[15:22] <dystopianray> a_l_e: my point is that this change has been around for a long time and there has been plenty of oppurtunity to find out about it
[15:22] <dystopianray> a_l_e: if you're only going to lts to lts then expect a huge number of changes both small and large
[15:23] <a_l_e> dystopianray: and my point is, that when somebody points you to a problem, the answer is not "it has always been like this"
[15:23] <HardyOne> a_l_e: I could understand if it was difficult for you to install vim-full ( compiling yourself ) but it is packaged and requires one simple command to do. really not that big a deal
[15:23] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i expect those changes, and i want them to be visible.
[15:23] <eternal_p> I guess no one has heard of my problem?
[15:23] <jaffarkelshac> genie, you put ; usershare....... remove the ;
[15:23] <a_l_e> HardyOne: it took one whole week to find out that no vim was installed!
[15:23] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you were given the reason and solution almost straight away and yet you persist in arguing about it
[15:23] <a_l_e> because a program which behaved 90% was installed.
[15:24] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i had found the solution before coming here... so what?
[15:24] <dystopianray> a_l_e: what are you trying to achieve by arguing with us?
[15:25] <a_l_e> dystopianray: if there is somebody which has a bit of knowledge of the system, how to formulate the bug report so that a problem get's fixed.
[15:25] <HardyOne> a_l_e: took you a week. perhaps because you were not asking the right question. I am not trying to blame you. just saying that we are volunteers and cant guess at what you are trying to tell us if what you are really doing is complaining about an app and not telling us what you expect the app to do
[15:25] <eternal_p> a_l_e: launchpad
[15:25] <HardyOne> !bug | a_l_e
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[15:26] <a_l_e> eternal_p: bind it to a project? to a package? etc etc etc...
[15:26] <eternal_p> just put in whatever problem you are haing on Lanchpad
[15:26] <eternal_p> that is the only place any developer will see it
[15:26] <eternal_p> complaning her won't get you far
[15:26] <a_l_e> eternal_p: thank you, i have noticed it!
[15:27] <thyko> im on hardy RC
[15:27] <HardyOne> complaining anywhere wont get you far
[15:27] <thyko> i have a bcm43xx card
[15:27] <a_l_e> HardyOne: not true.
[15:27] <eternal_p> a_l_e: bad attitude
[15:27] <a_l_e> HardyOne: i know many places where complaining leads to fixes!
[15:27] <jaffarkelshac> genie, did it change?
[15:27] <eternal_p> a_l_e:  that is the thing with linux, if you don't like it, go away and compile your own, then you can complain to the mirror as much as you like :)
[15:27] <thyko> i have installed b43-fwcutter
[15:28] <HardyOne> a_l_e: ok. complaning in a chatroom about an issue you are having with Ubuntu wont get you far. the best place is launchpad.net
[15:28] <thyko> but the blue light on my pavilio dv6636nr still wont come on
[15:28] <a_l_e> sorry, i'm stopping answering. i will finish the bug report as good as i can formulate it and then i will go on with my workd
[15:28] <thyko> the driver does not load automaticaly during startu
[15:28] <thyko> p
[15:28] <HardyOne> a_l_e: we appreciate the bug report and hopefully it will be addressed quickly
[15:28] <a_l_e> eternal_p, HardyOne: i know of chat rooms where you are welcome to complain about problems and people will help you find a solution, tell you where and how report,  etc etc
[15:29] <a_l_e> HardyOne: thanks! that's the way i like it!
[15:29] <genie> jaffarkelshac, let me to check it now
[15:29] <a_l_e> friendly, positive! and i'm not joking!
[15:29] <thyko> and when i modprobe b43, there are no messeges printed in /var/log/messeges
[15:29] <HardyOne> a_l_e: :)
[15:29] <thyko> whats the solution?
[15:30] <thyko> a_l_e: where can i submit a bug-report?
[15:30] <HardyOne> !bug | thyko
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[15:30] <a_l_e> !launchpad
[15:30] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[15:30] <Nom-> hmm where would one request that a perl cpan package is upgraded for the official repos?
[15:30] <Mimi> !bug
[15:30] <HardyOne> Nom-: launchpad.net mark it as wishlist
[15:30] <ccooke> a_l_e: Hi - you're complaining about the difference between the (default) vim in hardy and the vim-full, yes?
[15:30] <Nom-> Ah kk :D
[15:30] <thyko> !thanks
[15:30] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[15:30] <thyko> heh
[15:30] <Mimi> xD Awww!
[15:31] <Nom-> ubotu: botsnack
[15:31] <a_l_e> ccooke: no, i'm complaining that no notice is given that a faked vim is installed.
[15:31] <HardyOne> ccooke: he is filling a bug report at the momment
[15:31] <Nom-> bah that's no fun
[15:31] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:31] <ccooke> HardyOne: ah, okay.
[15:31] <HardyOne> ccooke: or not lol
[15:32] <genie> jaffarkelshac, it's same with ; or without it I got the error
[15:33] <Adys> is there a reason to keep "language-pack-en" and "language-pack-gnome-en" if its the only language pack on the system?
[15:33] <W8TAH> i installed kde-desktop and i dont like it -- how do i make it go away again?
[15:33] <W8TAH> including KDM
[15:34] <jaffarkelshac> with ; i cant share folders i dont own but without ; i can which is what usershare owner only = false lets you do. genie
[15:34] <Hobbsee> W8TAH: remove kdelibs4c2a
[15:34] <W8TAH> will that wipe out all the cruft too?
[15:34] <HardyOne> W8TAH: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96048
[15:34] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I make False I will try with false
[15:35] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: never!
[15:36] <genie> jaffarkelshac, same things no different
[15:36] <jaffarkelshac> check this, system > administrator > users and groups, unlock and click manage groups, look for sambashares, properties and see if your user is ticked genie
[15:36]  * genii sips
[15:37] <lastent> hi, I'm having problems with the flash sound and the pulse audio, right now ]I can't hear the sound on flash videos
[15:38] <koudelka> lastent, have the same thing
[15:38] <samuel> hello all
[15:38] <samuel> ive got ubuntu installed on a computer (8.04, amd64) with 4 hard disk drives.... the drive devices keep switching about, is there any way to stop this behaviour? one is an ide the others are sata, and it seems that /dev/sdd gets switched around with /dev/sdb any ideas?
[15:38] <koudelka> lastent, you need to close that application that uses pulse audio and then restart firefox and go to the flash site and the sound will work
[15:38] <edugonch> Hello, I need to uninstall all the graphics from my ubuntu installation, I need to have a minimal installation, I try to do ---> aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop but it doesn't work, any help please
[15:39] <koudelka> lastent, but then the sound in the pulse audio applications won't work so....
[15:39] <genie> jaffarkelshac, my name listed and ticked, but I notice listed as full name not username!
[15:39] <genie> jaffarkelshac, what about you?!
[15:40] <fbc> Tomorro does the RC get renamed or is the actualy hardy going to be different CD.
[15:40] <genie> jaffarkelshac, and root not ticked in that group
[15:40] <jaffarkelshac> genie sorry, that is as far as my knowledge goes, everything appears fine, i dont know why you cant share
[15:41] <genie> jaffarkelshac, any way I can share with root
[15:41] <lastent> koudelka, so your tellign me that I just can run flash videos and hear the sound if I'm not using anyother audio program?
[15:42] <oholiks> kahrytan: audacious replaces xmms, works about the same.. should we close down the downgrade society now? ;)
[15:42] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I will do more digging in this
[15:42] <HardyOne> edugonch: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96046
[15:42] <genie> jaffarkelshac, thank you very much
[15:42] <koudelka> lastent, basically yes, atleast that's how it is for me
[15:42] <jaffarkelshac> i would not advice it, at the moment with your current settings you should be able to
[15:43] <GoodJob> hello
[15:43] <edugonch> HardyOne: Thanks ;)
[15:43] <GoodJob> is Ubuntu 8.04 Final released yet?
[15:43] <dystopianray> GoodJob: no
[15:43] <fbc> GoodJob, yeah it's on pirate bay..
[15:43] <HardyOne> edugonch: np make sure you read before entering commands
[15:43] <koudelka> GoodJob, no it will be released sometime within 24h probably
[15:43] <fbc> GoodJob,  JK
[15:44] <GoodJob> so tommorow then :/
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob, yup
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: yes, april 24 is the expected release date
[15:44] <GoodJob> do you happen to know on which hour
[15:44] <_Lucretia_> I'm reading through a howto for installing the latest fglrx drivers, but what does this mean: "If using 64bit make sure to collect package "ia32-libs" and " libGL.so.1" before proceeding!"  - I'm using the howto from here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: noone knows exactly when it'll be released
[15:44] <GoodJob> damn
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob,  I would expect 24:00 GMT
[15:44] <GoodJob> i reaaaaly need it :D
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob, we all do.
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: get the latest daily build
[15:45] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I know it does.. its my fav standalone player
[15:45] <GoodJob> i wanted to ask you guys about something else too
[15:45] <GoodJob> what about that GRUB 2?
[15:45] <jaffarkelshac> anyone ben able to install vmware ?
[15:45] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac yeah me
[15:46] <dystopianray> GoodJob: what about it?
[15:46] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: maybe it means save the file ( backup )
[15:46] <GoodJob> i'm curious why isn't GRUB 2 the Ubuntu's bootloader
[15:46] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting am error, Unable to build the vmmon module. excution aborted GoodJob
[15:46] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: as in save the ia32-libs package?
[15:46] <jaffarkelshac> i downloaded the tar.gz from the website
[15:46] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac do you have the very latest VMware installed?
[15:46] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: I would guess so
[15:47] <dystopianray> GoodJob: does any distro use grub 2?
[15:47] <GoodJob> dystopianray not sure :)
[15:47] <jaffarkelshac> i think its the latest i am trying to install
[15:47] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: I honestly can't see why, but...
[15:47] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac uhmmm you have Windows XP right?
[15:47] <edugonch> Yes.... is a little long, is there a way to install a minimal installation from 0, I try with the alternate cd that I download from the ubuntu page, but I didn't see any option to do this
[15:47] <dystopianray> GoodJob: I don't think grub 2 is actually considered stable upstream
[15:47] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: they don't go into any detail about reinstalling those
[15:47] <jaffarkelshac> no, ubuntu
[15:47] <ravalox> Hey, does anyone here run their Ubuntu system on an XFX 790i motherboard?
[15:47] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac i see
[15:48] <Trolloc> !anyone | ravalox
[15:48] <ubotu> ravalox: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[15:48] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: reading it now
[15:48] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: method 2
[15:48] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac well, i run VMware in Windows so i really can't determine why do you get that errror
[15:48] <ravalox> Well, I need to figure out how to set the Audio out on an XFX 790i motherboard to 5.1 instead of it's dinky default 2.1
[15:48] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac never had a single error in VMware ;)
[15:49] <ravalox> But that requires such specialized knowledge I'd have to see if someone owned that motherboard first.
[15:49] <ravalox> or something.
[15:49] <jaffarkelshac> i think its the modules for the current kernel
[15:49] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac on which version of the kernel are you running that baby?
[15:50] <GoodJob> 2.6.25?
[15:50] <jaffarkelshac> 2.6.24
[15:50] <GoodJob> oh
[15:50] <GoodJob> you should update the kernel
[15:50] <jaffarkelshac> when did 25 come out
[15:50] <GoodJob> don't you know?
[15:51] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: I dont know what they mean by "collect"
[15:51] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: less than a week ago i think
[15:51] <GoodJob> it's a couple of days now since it's out ;)
[15:51] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: me neither
[15:51] <jaffarkelshac> i had about 75 updates lately none for kernel
[15:51] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: save the files wont hurt
[15:51] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac strange
[15:51] <tretle> when are pulse audio controls being added to hardy
[15:51] <tretle> ?
[15:52] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac maybe you need to recompile the kernel and install it?
[15:52] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: so back up everything in /usr/lib32 ?
[15:52] <tretle> I can change the device to pulse audio mixer but I just have the master volume in it
[15:52] <GoodJob> the latest one i mean
[15:52] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: just the 2 files mentioned I think. I am really not certain
[15:53] <jaffarkelshac> i am not that confident in recompiling kernel  and no idea how to do it GoodJob
[15:53] <tretle> and I can find any options on setting the volume of individual applications either
[15:53] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: I've no idea where this ia32-libs is, I only know of the deb
[15:54] <Trewas> GoodJob: hardy uses kernel 2.6.24, something newer is intrepid territory
[15:54] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: gonna ask on #ati
[15:54] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: good idea
[15:54] <crimsun> Trewas: they're not.
[15:54] <crimsun> Trewas: sorry
[15:54] <jaffarkelshac> Trewas, so ther eis no 2.6.25?
[15:54] <crimsun> tretle: they're not.
[15:55] <crimsun> tretle: install pavucontrol from universe.
[15:55] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: 2.6.25 was released less than a week ago
[15:55] <Trewas> jaffarkelshac: no
[15:55] <ibleed> in gnome network manager how do i switch from a wireless connection to a wired one ?
[15:55] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: it (or a newer kernel) will be part of a later release of ubuntu, not hardy
[15:55] <Fritzel> I'm trying to create a new icon, what type of file is svg? gimp doesn't know what kind it is
[15:56] <tretle> any idea why they didnt?
[15:56] <dystopianray> Fritzel: svg is a xml based vector format
[15:56] <jbroome> Fritzel: inkscape is what you need for svg
[15:56] <dystopianray> Fritzel: i've heard that inkscape is great for svg
[15:56] <jaffarkelshac> i get it now, 2.6.24-16...17..18 will be the hardy update and 2.6.25 will be fore the next release, ah much better
[15:56] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[15:56] <Fritzel> er ok then better question what kind of files can be used as a desktop icon?
[15:56] <Fritzel> png's don't seem to be recognized
[15:57] <crimsun> ibleed: have you plugged in a wired connection?
[15:57] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac please use the version numbers 2.6.25 instead of those for the old kernel in that tutorial
[15:57] <ibleed> yes i have crimsun and i still have the wireless icon in the panel
[15:57] <crimsun> ibleed: did you click the applet and choose Wired Network?
[15:57] <dystopianray> GoodJob: why are you suggesting that he install a new kernel?
[15:58] <jaffarkelshac> i thought that was for the next release
[15:58] <ibleed> crimsun, i right clicked and uncheck "wireless" buy my connection is still wireless
[15:58] <crimsun> ibleed: no, choose Wired Network with the primary-click (left-click, normally?)
[15:58] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: don't install a new kernel, there is no need for you to do so
[15:58] <GoodJob> dystopianray it's a thing we all should do :)   but not me 'cause i'm still stuck on Windows XP... but only for 1 day now ;)
[15:59] <ibleed> when i left click it crimsun it only allows me to do "manual configuration"
[15:59] <jaffarkelshac> i dont intend to dystopianray, i will find another way to install vmware on hardy
[15:59] <dystopianray> GoodJob: please don't suggest suck ridiculous things to people, you're probably going to ruin his ubuntu
[15:59] <crimsun> ibleed: is your wired nic's driver loaded?
[16:00] <Almindor> back
[16:00] <ibleed> crimsun, it should be.  i haven't messed with drivers or anything.  i just made the mistake of attempting wireless and can't figure out how to go back to wired
[16:00] <Almindor> something is most defenetly not right with hardy
[16:00] <Almindor> not sure if it's realted to ff/flash tho
[16:00] <crimsun> Almindor: what's the issue?
[16:00] <Almindor> I'm getting 100% cpu/hdd activity with "microfreezes" of only certain apps (the new scheduler perhaps?)
[16:01] <Almindor> eg: right now pidgin got frozen, I can't even type in there but xchat works (there's a ff/flash opened)
[16:01] <Almindor> it usually takes about 5s per app, and the hdd/cpu cycle is about 1m
[16:01] <Almindor> started recently tho
[16:01] <Almindor> (week perhaps even less, I only had updatedb hdd activity before)
[16:02] <crimsun> Almindor: hmm.  I've noticed that, too, and it doesn't seem to be FF/Flash/PA
[16:02] <Almindor> feel very "windows like"
[16:02] <GoodJob> we should all update to the latest kernel when we install the final Ubuntu that comes out tommorow
[16:02] <crimsun> GoodJob: err, what?
[16:02] <GoodJob> so that we don't get hacked or anything
[16:02] <dystopianray> crimsun: he's a troll
[16:02] <crimsun> dystopianray: k, thanks.
[16:03] <GoodJob> ok suit yourself guys
[16:03]  * Almindor hopes it's some sort of minor oversight problem, or atleast a workaround is there
[16:03] <GoodJob> i'm gonna do it
[16:03] <Almindor> problem is, I can't find the culprit
[16:03] <crimsun> Almindor: firefox seems to be aggressively caching/flushing
[16:03] <crimsun> Almindor: just watching top here (even though I know I'm supposed to use exmap-gtk)
[16:04] <Almindor> crimsun, sounds logical, which reminds me, FF is one of the few apps which will get updated right? (eg: after release, not just bugfix updates)
[16:04] <Almindor> top is top :P
[16:05] <talavis> any one else having troubles with the i386 alternate cd?
[16:06] <dystopianray> talavis: apparently the kubuntu one doesn't work
[16:06] <Almindor> crimsun, aren't you per chance on amd64?
[16:06] <crimsun> Almindor: not on this box, which is ia32.
[16:06] <rkerr> hm... so I installed with Wubi last week. That placed an icon on the desktop for my Windows drive. Then after updating to the latest packages yesterday, the desktop icon is gone, and the fstab entry is also gone.
[16:07] <Almindor> anyone here with ati/fglrx on ubuntu64? :)
[16:07] <talavis> dystopianray: so it's more people having it? good to know, thanks
[16:07] <dystopianray> talavis: is it the kubuntu alternate you're using?
[16:08] <talavis> dystopianray: yes, the final ones up for testing now
[16:09] <dystopianray> talavis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220030
[16:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220030 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Alternate Install CD - Stop making coasters!" [Undecided,New]
[16:10] <talavis> dystopianray: i have seen that one and reported one myself, but my problem is different from that one
[16:10] <dystopianray> talavis: oh?
[16:10] <talavis> dystopianray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220804
[16:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220804 in ubuntu "Kubuntu 8.04 alternate CD not working past initial menu" [Undecided,New]
[16:11] <co0lingFir3> is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?
[16:11] <dystopianray> talavis: did you verify that it burnt successfully?
[16:11] <talavis> dystopianray: checked md5 of both iso and burned cd
[16:12] <dystopianray> talavis: is it possible to use the desktop cd at all?
[16:13] <talavis> dystopianray: i haven't tested, want an encrypted fs, will download it now
[16:14] <dystopianray> talavis: the desktop cd won't support an encrypted fs sadly
[16:14] <talavis> dystopianray: i know, that's why i was trying with the alternate
[16:16] <b4l74z4r> when i installed gutsy, it reserved almost 6 gb of hd space for the swap file, has this fault been corrected in hardy?
[16:17] <dystopianray> b4l74z4r: manually specify the exact size you want
[16:17] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> I found a fix for my problem
[16:18] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Closed Source Software fixed it
[16:18] <b4l74z4r> ok, but i'm thinking that beginners will tend to go for the automatic partitioning and therefore that fault should be corrected
[16:18] <dystopianray> kahrytan: what did you do?
[16:19] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is that the 800x600 issue still?
[16:19] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> nividia-config
[16:19] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> displayconfig-gtk doesnt support my monitor. but nvidia-config does
[16:19] <dystopianray> ah ok
[16:20] <kahrytan> even the games work.
[16:21] <dystopianray> nice
[16:22] <elcuco> hi all, is anyone using iwl3945? it's not working for me
[16:22] <kahrytan> and 800x600 is set to @60
[16:22] <crimsun> elcuco: any better luck w/ linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r) installed?
[16:23] <elcuco> crimsun, and using ipw3945? the closed source driver?
[16:23] <co0lingFir3> hi guys, ﻿is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?
[16:23] <crimsun> elcuco: sorry?
[16:23] <edugonch> hello, is there a minimal cd for 8.1
[16:23] <edugonch> 8.10?
[16:23] <crimsun> co0lingFir3: it shouldn't be, no.
[16:24] <dystopianray> elcuco: no he's using iwl3945, the open souce driver
[16:24] <crimsun> edugonch: do you mean 8.04?  8.10 isn't even sketched out fully...
[16:24] <edugonch> yes sorry
[16:24] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: strange... so update-manager should still be installed?
[16:24] <crimsun> edugonch: well, there's a netinstall image.
[16:24] <elcuco> dystopianray, you confused me now... is the open source driver usable at all?
[16:24] <dystopianray> elcuco: yes of course
[16:24] <crimsun> co0lingFir3: if the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is installed, yes.
[16:25] <elcuco> sweet, i don't have the firmwares... that might be the problem. how come it's not in the install cd?
[16:25] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: on a april 22nd update it removed the following packages: ubuntu-desktop, update-manager and update-notifier. how can that be?
[16:25] <edugonch> I'm trying to install a textbase system from alternate cd but I can't do it, there isn't the option in that cd, so I'm trying to install it with other methods
[16:25] <dystopianray> elcuco: it is
[16:25] <evanfraser> Hi folks
[16:25] <edugonch> I just need a minimal installation
[16:26] <genii> So after tomorrow this channel will be for Ibex?
[16:26] <jbroome> yup
[16:26] <crimsun> genii: s/tomorrow/hardy's release/
[16:26] <evanfraser> One of my servers no longer boots after I've upgraded it to 8.04.  I can't see any actual errors in the boot up log is the weird thing
[16:26] <genii> crimsun: Thanks
[16:26] <evanfraser> it just hangs after: [  153.020215] checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd
[16:26] <evanfraser> [  153.137379] Freeing initrd memory: 8191k freed
[16:26] <ionstorm> How long should a pentium 4 hyperthread 3.0 ghz with 1 gig of ram take to boot up hardy heron, for some reason bootchart says xorg starts after 1 minute of booting, is that too long?
[16:26] <evanfraser> any help would be much appreciated :)
[16:26] <elcuco> yes, it is, right /lib/firmware/2.6.24-16-generic/iwlwifi-3945.ucode
[16:27] <elcuco> dystopianray, so can you give me some points? how to fix/debug this issue?
[16:27] <dystopianray> elcuco: sorry i have no idea
[16:27]  * elcuco waits 5 minutes for the updates to finish
[16:28] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: oh i see. i use wicd instead of network-manager (for static ip) and ubuntu desktop requires the last of them
[16:28] <ionstorm> how long does it normally take to boot up hardy to the gdm login?
[16:28] <crimsun> ionstorm: depends on your machine and configured software.
[16:30] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: how do i create an archive with password?
[16:30] <evanfraser> what kind of archive?
[16:30] <jimcooncat> In the hype: "support for keyboard accessibility". Does this mean I'll be able to control Hardy with just my keyboard?
[16:31] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, do you mean a rar archive?
[16:31] <co0lingFir3> evanfraser: dont care. some kind of encrypted archive, but i dont think that zip supports encryption, does it?
[16:32] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, I'm certain you can password protect zips as well...
[16:32] <jimcooncat> Yes, you can zip with a password, but I don't believe that's all that secure
[16:33] <jimcooncat> After all, once you have a file you can just try and crack it all day
[16:33] <co0lingFir3> jimcooncat: and how do i do that?
[16:33] <jimcooncat> I'm no cracker. But the tools are out there.
[16:35] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3:  http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/cracking/zip-passwords.html
[16:35] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3,
[16:35] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, rar a <rarfilename> -p <files to rar>
[16:35] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3: here's one by our own ubuntugeek! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-crack-zip-files-password.html
[16:38] <genii> Is there some official release hour GMT? This Q is coming up often
[16:38] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3: you'll want to look into gpg probably
[16:40] <co0lingFir3> jimcooncat & evanfraser: thx a lot!
[16:40] <dystopianray> genii: there isn't, but it'll probably be in the afternoon in GMT+1
[16:40] <genii> dystopianray: OK, thanks
[16:40] <fredreichbier> is there a special way to install the newest ATI (fglrx) drivers for hardy or is it mostly the same as with gutsy?
[16:41] <bullgard4> Where can I obtain the GNOME source code? (I believe in Hardy version 2.22. is current.)
[16:42] <dystopianray> bullgard4: upstream source or ubuntu's source?
[16:42] <bullgard4> Ubuntu's source.
[16:42] <evanfraser> Hi folks, if anyone has a spare minute, could you please take a look at my boot log and see if you can tell my system doesn't boot since upgrading to hardy?: http://www.barkboy.com/boot.log
[16:42] <Pici> bullgard4: You could use apt-get source
[16:42] <dystopianray> bullgard4: you can use apt to grab the source for any package
[16:43] <AzaTht> thought I wa going to report a bug, but, I don't really know to what package to report it
[16:43] <dystopianray> bullgard4: you can also use apt to install all the build deps for any package so you can actually compile it
[16:44] <AzaTht> in short: my tx1270eo, when it sleeps the screen, wont reactivate again
[16:44] <bullgard4> dystopianray: 'What is the name of the GNOME DEB program package?
[16:45] <dystopianray> bullgard4: i'm not sure, there may not be a single gnome source package
[16:46] <Arelis_> Hi, everybody. Is this computer completely compatible with Ubuntu? http://www.mediacomputers.nl/Productd.asp?POD={1177EC47-277B-4677-9CDA-592738C9F64C}
[16:46] <Exlax> It sure is.
[16:47] <dystopianray> AzaTht: did it work in previous versions?
[16:47] <AzaTht> anyone around having an tx1000?
[16:47] <Exlax> How's the 8.04 Release Client? is it stable enough for primary release?
[16:47] <Exlax> er
[16:47] <Exlax> release candidate*
[16:47] <AzaTht> dystopianray: on gusty yes
[16:47] <Arelis_> Exlax: _completely_ ?
[16:47] <Exlax> Enough.
[16:47] <evanfraser> Exlax, out of the four systems I've upgraded, two haven't been straight forward upgrades
[16:47] <dystopianray> AzaTht: what video card do you have?
[16:47] <uchimata> Hi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?
[16:47] <Exlax> I kinda butchered my 7.10 installation.
[16:47] <Arelis_> Exlax: "Enough"? How much compatible is it?
[16:47] <bullgard1> Exlax: Please define 'primary release'.
[16:48] <AzaTht> dystopianray: nvidia thingi
[16:48] <Exlax> Primary OS
[16:48] <dystopianray> Exlax: if you grab the latest daily build it'll probably be identical to the final
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: are you using nvidia's binary driver?
[16:48] <Exlax> That's what i thought.
[16:48] <AzaTht> yes
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: try the 'nv' driver and see if suspend works with that
[16:48] <AzaTht> ok
[16:48] <Exlax> Does wine run alright under 8.04? that's my deciding factor.
[16:48] <AzaTht> just deactivate the binary driver?
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: that should do it i think
[16:49] <dystopianray> Exlax: it should run just as well as it did in 7.10
[16:49] <Exlax> dystopianray: Thanks much. :) Grabbing it now, then.
[16:49] <dystopianray> Exlax: grab the latest build from here if you can: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:51] <Exlax> Thanks, dystopianray.
[16:51] <Exlax> Grabbing now.
[16:51] <kahrytan> Exlax->  Hardy has Nextto the nearest WINE version
[16:51] <kahrytan> newest*
[16:51] <AzaTht> dystopianray: hehe, even a bug in the binary package when trying to remove
[16:51] <kahrytan> Exlax-> wine-0.9.59
[16:52] <AzaTht> it tries to remove lib32/libGL...
[16:52] <ratpoison> Hello! Hardy user. I've just finished installing, tweaking and customising my installation. I now want to create a live-dvd that installs the same setup on multiple machines. How do I do that OR can you point me where to find info?
[16:54] <spowers> the weirdest thing happened with my hardy upgrade
[16:55] <spowers> from gutsy.  my nvidia driver broke (not weird) but I couldn't ctrl-alt-f1 anymore
[16:55] <spowers> from the "safe" X mode
[16:55] <spowers> it was frustrating, because that's how i usually fi x
[16:55] <spowers> fix x
[16:56] <pmratpoison> I've had similar experience with gutsy breaking my tty's
[16:56] <pmratpoison> this bug has been reported on launchpad
[16:56] <AzaTht> dystopianray: didn't work
[16:56] <genii> Same here with the TTYs
[16:57] <Mimi> !enter
[16:57] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:58] <pmratpoison> you can search launchpad for that issue, if it is the same problem, the solution proposed in launchpad may work
[16:58] <AzaTht> dystopianray: though perhaps I didn't explained goodly, it's the power down of the screen that's borked, not the cpu suspend
[16:58] <dystopianray> AzaTht: what do you mean?
[16:58] <evanfraser> Anyone know how to recreate an initrd file under ubuntu?
[16:58] <spowers> pmratpoison: i'll give it a try.. my gettys are still there, i was able to use chvt
[16:59] <AzaTht> when the computer has been idle for a while, the screen goes black
[16:59] <SunRayCafe> installed 8.04 RC yesterday. Getting seemingly random mouse and keyboard lockup. Other system activity seems to continue, and when they become active again a few seconds later they catchup any typing/movement that occurred in the meantime.
[16:59] <AzaTht> but when I tries to return, only the backlight is lit
[16:59] <spowers> and now that i'm using the vesa driver i can vt switch too
[17:00] <uchimata> Hi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?
[17:00] <jaffarkelshac> i am attempting to install vmware for hardy but it just wont work, something to do with vmmon modules any help would be appreciated
[17:01] <AzaTht> dystopianray: though the computer is accessable, just that the screen is kept black
[17:01] <pmratpoison> SunRayCafe: You can install screenlets and then find a widget that shows your heaviest processes. If you have it at desktop at all times, you will be able to guess what causes thoses lockups
[17:01] <AzaTht> (semi black)
[17:01] <SunRayCafe> ran htop in a console, doesn't seem to be related to a specific process...
[17:02] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: did you use the any-to-any patch?
[17:02] <SunRayCafe> oh, crap, found the cause :(
[17:02] <ionstorm> does hardy require more ram than gutsy?
[17:02] <SunRayCafe> it's my synergy. Sorry guys, thanks
[17:02] <dystopianray> AzaTht: it's black when it resumes or when you try to sleep?
[17:02] <fredreichbier> i just tried to install the latest fglrx and got that: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/43294/ - i don't know whether it is related to hardy
[17:02] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that but same problem uchimata
[17:02] <bullgard1> Pici: I cannot use apt-get source because I do not know 'source'.
[17:03] <chronos> Is there a DVD of Hardy I can download for my PPC mac?
[17:03] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: ok, that's the first step... you have to patch some lines, i'm searching for the corresponding how-to, gimme a second
[17:03] <d4t4min3r> can I install from flashdrive?
[17:03] <jaffarkelshac> uchimata, this is the output of my install if it helps http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7854/
[17:03] <AzaTht> dystopianray: when I tries to resume
[17:04] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: here we go: http://aldeby.org/blog/?p=113
[17:04] <genii> chronos: If there will be, you'll find it likely at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/
[17:04] <dystopianray> AzaTht: hrrm that is weird, i'm not sure what a possible solution could be, file a bug report about it
[17:04] <chronos> So it's not true that hardy isn't going to support the PPC?
[17:04] <pmratpoison> wasn't the ppc port discontinued?
[17:04] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: I'm pretty sure this how to will help you
[17:05] <jaffarkelshac> thank you uchimata
[17:05] <AzaTht> dystopianray: to what package?
[17:05] <AzaTht> nvidia-glx-new?
[17:05] <genii> pmratpoison: ppc is now community supported. There is 7.10 for it, I see no reason there won't be also an 8.04
[17:06] <dystopianray> AzaTht: no, not if nv has the same problem, file it against the kernel maybe, it'll be changed if necessary
[17:06] <AzaTht> k
[17:06] <d4t4min3r> can I install from a flash drive?
[17:07] <pmratpoison> genii: after a little bit of googling, I just found that out
[17:08] <pmratpoison> chronos:  but anyway, if you require commercial support for the ppc, you can always change distro
[17:08] <a_l_e> genii: i don't think there will be a official 8.04 for ppc
[17:09] <pmratpoison> according to that ---> http://www.osnews.com/thread?306765 there wasa beta for ppc
[17:11] <pmratpoison> but anyway, If I had a ppc cpu, I would choose a distro that centers on ppc
[17:11] <jac0b|w> is anyone having problems with the kernel
[17:11] <genii> pmratpoison: YDL isn't a bad choice for PPC
[17:12] <Andycasss> how to uninstall bcm43xx drivers that came automatically? (I want to use ndiswrapper instead)
[17:12] <axion>  try slackintosh is also nice..
[17:12] <axion> however less userfriendly
[17:13] <Mimi> O.O I just spent 4 hours downloading updates to install hardy,... once I downloaded it all.. I got maybe 10 windows saying 'sorry emerald failed to... something... report problem" and same for AWN and a bunch more. Then it says "Sorry install failed" (the hardy install) "your system might be in a unstable state"
[17:13] <AzaTht> dystopianray: seems related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131626
[17:13] <jac0b|w> 2.6.24-16 kernel is giving me problems
[17:13] <jac0b|w> it won't boot
[17:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131626 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Sleep wakes up but screen is blank" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:13] <AzaTht> but not fully ヾ
[17:14] <dystopianray> AzaTht: do you have working hibernate?
[17:15] <AzaTht> can check
[17:15] <AzaTht> (that I know worked in gutsy at least)
[17:15] <GNUtoo> hello, is it possible to install hardy on qemu? grub didn't install and while booting the kenrel reset ata2...
[17:16] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: is there a particular reason to use qemu? you might find that virtualbox is a lot better
[17:16] <Mimi> "The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a)." :/ What do I do?
[17:17] <GNUtoo> dystopianray, i don't know how to use virtualbox...
[17:17] <AzaTht> dystopianray: hibernate works just fine
[17:17] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: it's really easy to pick up
[17:17] <d4t4min3r> I have a question
[17:17] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: if you can use qemu then virtualbox should be trivial
[17:17] <Mimi> !ask
[17:17] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:18] <GNUtoo> dystopianray, debian works fine on qemu...so why can't ubuntu works fine?
[17:18] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: i'm not sure, i'd imagine it would
[17:18] <d4t4min3r> im out of blank cds and I want to install ubuntu, how else can I install
[17:18] <d4t4min3r> can I install within windows
[17:19] <Mimi> Yup, donwload Wubi
[17:19] <d4t4min3r> I want to overright windows
[17:19] <axion> you could use loadlin
[17:19] <SunRayCafe> Wubi doesn't work in RC, right?
[17:20] <d4t4min3r> doesn wubi just install ubuntu inside windows right
[17:21] <d4t4min3r> if I put the live cd on an external hdd can I run it from that
[17:22] <HardyOne> !install | d4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that
[17:22] <ubotu> d4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[17:22] <allquixotic> Hi, is there a way I can change the behavior of what happens when focus changes with metacity? Since a recent Hardy update, clicking on a background window that's maximized doesn't make foreground windows, which aren't maximized, to get lower Z priority and thus let the maximized draw overtop it.
[17:24] <AzaTht> dystopianray: ok, tried to explain in a bug then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/221085
[17:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221085 in ubuntu "Screen sleep doesn't recover on my tx1000" [Undecided,New]
[17:24] <AzaTht> "first reported 0 seconds ago" ツ
[17:25] <AzaTht> dystopianray: do you by any chance have knowledge about wvdial?
[17:28] <dystopianray> AzaTht: no I don't, sorry
[17:28] <AzaTht> ok
[17:28] <AzaTht> gonny try poking some other folks then ツ
[17:29] <AzaTht> !wvdial
[17:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wvdial - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <AzaTht> dumb bot, you shall everything know
[17:30] <genii> AzaTht: PErhaps try man wvdial on your Terminal
[17:30] <AzaTht> genii: I can use it, it's just that it borks sometimes, and is dumb on startup
[17:30] <genii> AzaTht: There is also a manpage for wvdial.conf
[17:31] <AzaTht> thanks ツ
[17:31] <AzaTht> genii: didn't find there why "kill -9 pidof_wvdial" doesn't work
[17:31] <genii> AzaTht: If you have a network adapter, it often becomes default gateway instead of the modem. There is some line you can add to wvdial.conf for this
[17:32] <genii> AzaTht: You may require suso with it
[17:32] <genii> *sudo
[17:32] <x-ip> hi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?
[17:32] <AzaTht> that's intresting, but not main problem (I usually deactivate the wireless when using the modem, but thanks anyway)
[17:33] <AzaTht> genii: the main problem is: 1: when I start it, it tries to send the PIN million if times, so I have to ctrl-c it
[17:33] <AzaTht> 2: I can't kill it if it looses the carrier
[17:34] <genii> AzaTht: Sounds like something bad with your Expect script that sends the name/pass   etc
[17:34] <AzaTht> possibly
[17:34] <AzaTht> tried to follow what I found on the net for my huawei e220
[17:35] <xFlipx> is intel 965 chipset still blacklisted for the upcoming release?
[17:36] <psymin> A buddy of mine recently installed Heron beta.  He's having difficulty getting intel 3945 working using iwl3945 .. any advice?  Is there a repository with ipw3945?
[17:37] <m11> hello
[17:37] <AzaTht> genii: this is the "result" when I connect: http://rafb.net/p/BmSblX72.html
[17:37] <genii> AzaTht: Since you seem to have some custom stuff in there for your setup, it would be difficult to diagnose exact issue
[17:38] <Mimi> Hi... I tried to upgrade to Hardy using update-manager --devel-release ... it downloaded all the files, took 4 hours haha... anyway, once it tried to install, all my apps except gnomre closed with a 'report error' message... now when I try to do any updates, I get "you must do a partial update" which also fails
[17:38] <AzaTht> genii: my wwdial.con is http://rafb.net/p/ID9wGD46.html
[17:39] <Mimi> I then did apt-get update and upgrade in terminal and that worked, but  update-manager still tells me i must do a partial update. I dont wanna do it because its gonna break the files again.
[17:40] <Zarvox> hi all
[17:40] <AzaTht> Mimi: remove non-ubuntu thingis from /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:41] <jac0b|w> has anyone had a problem when booting up the new kernel?
[17:41] <genii> AzaTht: The comma in username could be problemmatic
[17:41] <Zarvox> the brightness of my laptop screen is diming automaticly
[17:42] <AzaTht> genie: true, (wonder where that came from)
[17:42] <AzaTht> but it doesn't "use" that antway ツ
[17:42] <jac0b|w> the new hardy kernel won't boot for me but I can boot with my old kernel could anyone help me
[17:43] <xFlipx> Does anybody know if the Intel 965 chipset is still blacklisted for the upcoming heron release?
[17:43] <genii> AzaTht: The thing uses some odd control strings, not Hayes standard type stuff. You might want to find some listing of them to know you have the syntax correct for that exact model
[17:43] <Zarvox> i've upgraded my RC with latest kernel and no problem for me
[17:44] <AzaTht> genii: I see
[17:44] <jac0b|w> Zarvox: what version do you have?
[17:45] <Zarvox> 2.6.24-16-generic is the latest ?
[17:45] <jac0b|w> I tried reinstalling the kernel but it didn't do anything
[17:46] <jac0b|w> I look to see if mine is the generic
[17:46] <AzaTht> ubuntu isn't using pdiff?
[17:46] <jac0b|w> but I know it is the 2.6.24-16.30
[17:47] <Zarvox> for me screen brightness of my laptop decrease automaticly
[17:47] <Mimi> Help.... hardy destroyed my install :P
[17:47] <AzaTht> Zarvox: yes, that's a feature
[17:47] <HardyOne> Mimi: you are SOL
[17:48] <HardyOne> :P
[17:48] <jac0b|w> is it recommended that you do  a clean install or is a web upgrade okay?
[17:48] <Zarvox> LOL
[17:48] <tannewt> Hi all, how has suspend/resume changed since gutsy?  I wrote a bash script to run upon suspend and resume but they are no longer being run.
[17:48] <Mimi> I didnt do anything wrong though....
[17:48] <Andycasss> why doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?!
[17:48] <HardyOne> Zarvox: right click on the top panel and add the brightness app
[17:48] <Mimi> All I did was go to the FAQ on how to install hardy, types update manager -- dist upgrade or whatever, and went from there.
[17:48] <Andycasss> ifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface
[17:48] <HardyOne> Mimi: more info then destroyed my install is needed to help you
[17:49] <AzaTht> Zarvox: it's to save energy
[17:49] <Mimi> Yes, and if you havent noticed, Ive described above what i've done :(
[17:49] <Zarvox> yes HardyOne and now ?
[17:49] <Mimi> I noticed something is different, the shut down picture is different now. but the booting up picture is the same. gdm does not start, saying i have to set it up manually
[17:50] <AzaTht> Zarvox: if you don't want it,  go to Settings → Power settings and disable it
[17:50] <Fade> I really hate bootsplash. :)
[17:50] <AzaTht> energy/Power whatever
[17:50] <HardyOne> Zarvox: you can adjust the brightness with that app. but also in the System>Preferences I believe there is a setting you can uncheck. dont remember where right now
[17:50] <AzaTht> Fade: then remove it ツ
[17:50] <Fade> i always do.
[17:51] <HardyOne> energy/power management
[17:51] <HardyOne> :)
[17:51] <AzaTht> HardyOne: yea
[17:51] <Zarvox> tx HardyOne
[17:51] <AzaTht> didn't rememver if it was energy or power ツ
[17:52] <HardyOne> Zarvox: np thanks to AzaTht also :)
[17:52] <savvas> anyone with a freash release candidate? please do this and tell me if it prompts you for a login user/password or if it show an error: nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net
[17:52] <Zarvox> yes tx all :-)
[17:52] <savvas> *fresh install of
[17:52] <Mimi> HardyOne, ... with the information I have given... can you pinpoint the problem? :/
[17:53] <HardyOne> !gdm
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <HardyOne> hmmm
[17:53] <AdrianStrays> Is the Sabayon User important?  I installed a splash screen which showed all the different users, and there is a user called sabayon, which I know nothing about, and wanted to remove from the users list
[17:53] <tanath> o.O
[17:53] <Mimi> Well, does it mean that I've lost everything and I got to do a fresh install again... ?
[17:54] <AzaTht> savvas: "Error: Illegal response"
[17:54] <savvas> not Error: Invalid reply AzaTht ?
[17:54] <Fritzel> does anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?
[17:54] <AzaTht> savvas: pobably, I had it in Swedish
[17:54] <AzaTht> manual translation
[17:54] <Zarvox> i've installed hardy rc an hour ago and i've no big problem
[17:54] <savvas> AzaTht: ok hold a sec
[17:54] <HardyOne> Mimi: try this /etc/init.d/gdm start
[17:55] <HardyOne> Mimi: no it does not mean that you have to do a fresh install
[17:55] <HardyOne> not yet atleast
[17:55] <Zarvox> for me hardy is the better version of ubuntu i try
[17:55] <Mimi> HardyOne, I tried and it said.. somethink like "Warning! Gdm is already running! aborting" but when i went ctrl alt f7 there was nothing there
[17:56] <jac0b|w> I am getting "VFS root device can't be found" can anyone help me?
[17:56] <savvas> AzaTht: how about now: nautilus ftp://ftp.greek-fun.com
[17:56] <AzaTht> Mimi: try "sudo pkill -HUP gdm"
[17:56] <Andycasss> why doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?! ifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface
[17:57] <AzaTht> savvas: I'm gettng login prompt, but trying to login as anonymous I get invalid reply
[17:57] <AzaTht> (to vortex I don't get an login prompt)
[17:58] <AzaTht> !spam
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[17:58] <savvas> AzaTht: that one is ok, the vortex that is freebsd-based doesn't seem to work
[17:58] <Mimi> Man it would be so great if i could use my ubuntu partition on virtualbox so i can fix this from windows :P Alright Im going to be dual booting a lot... so after I kill gdm, what do you think I should try AzaTht ? :P
[17:58] <jac0b|w> no one knows anything about the VFS can't find root device error?
[17:58] <x1250> start it
[17:58] <AzaTht> Mimi: not kill, HUPing
[17:58] <Mimi> oh
[17:58] <AzaTht> HUP tells gdb to restart
[17:58] <AzaTht> gdm*
[17:58] <Mimi> Oh that's nice
[17:59] <savvas> AzaTht: final request, can you run "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r" in a separate terminal and try "nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net" again? you could reply to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525283
[17:59] <ubotu> Gnome bug 525283 in ftp backend "gvfs ftp error "invalid reply" without login prompt" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:59] <m11> ﻿ i have setup PXE install server and it worked until reboot, now i have problem with dchp3 server not starting. (cant stop/start/restart) , how can i check what is blocking it to start ?
[17:59] <AzaTht> lets see
[18:00] <Mimi> Let me go try that :-) Thanks. (though when it 'started', it said something like 'sorry could not start, you need to config x  manually' or somehting like that AzaTht  (I know you're busy helping others too so please take your time :P )
[18:00] <genii> jac0b|w: That usually means your initrd is missing/corrupt. Happens if for instance you had a kernel upgrade and then it didn't have a chance to run initramfs on it
[18:00] <m11> mimi , dpkg-reconfigrue xserver-xorg
[18:00] <jac0b|w> genii: how would I run the initramfs
[18:00] <AzaTht> Mimi: been there, done that, seems you have a borked xconfig file
[18:01] <AzaTht> savvas: trying
[18:01] <savvas> AzaTht: ok thanks, the correct first line should be something like this: <-- 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
[18:01] <Mimi> Arg, sounds like my mouse and laptop media keys are gonna go bye bye again :p everytime ubuntu makes me do that, i lose all my settings. alright, going to try, see ya all really soon ;p
[18:01] <AzaTht> savvas: http://rafb.net/p/4sCEeo11.html
[18:02] <savvas> interesting, then i'm not alone :P
[18:02] <genii> jac0b|w: Boot to livecd, mount old / somewhere, also loopmount /proc /sys and /dev to where they would be on the old /       then chroot there and do an apt-get install <somekernelname>
[18:02] <savvas> AzaTht: could you reply with that output to the bug link?
[18:03] <AzaTht> ok
[18:03] <jac0b|w> genii: any live CD or ubuntu
[18:03] <AzaTht> savvas: need to reg firsty
[18:04] <genii> jac0b|w: An ubuntu would be preferable, since loopmounting the dirs I said (/proc /sys /dev)
[18:05] <DanaG> mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev  (where /mnt is the mount point)
[18:05] <savvas> AzaTht: if it's not much of a problem, please do, I'd like to see that bug fixed :)
[18:05] <jimcooncat> Will online docs be available right off, or will we have to wait for a week as with gutsy?
[18:05] <DanaG> and do the same for /proc
[18:06] <genii> jac0b|w: If you mount the old /dev/sda1 (for instance) to /mnt  then DanaG's instructions make sense
[18:06] <DanaG> Bind is much easier to remember than that type none, -o none, or whatever the heck it is.
[18:07] <dreamz93> j #xubuntu+1
[18:08] <quittt> is Hardy released?
[18:08] <Phoop> Hello. When booting the RC of 8.04 it hangs while loading the Hardware Abstraction Layer hald. It is the same thing I had with Gutsy. Do I have some shitty hardware in my machine or..?
[18:10] <LARefugee> Hi. Has anyone upgrade from Dapper to Hardy according to the docs in release notes? How did it go?
[18:10] <jac0b|w> genii: if I were to do a clean install would that be easier
[18:11] <genii> jac0b|w: Frankly, yes
[18:11] <jac0b|w> it sounds like it
[18:11] <jac0b|w> thanks for the help
[18:14] <Mimi> HardyOne, hey there :) the xorg reconfigured thing worked alright :) Thanks... but no internet connection xD Mmmm either way... I'm not sure what to do next ;p
[18:14] <Creeture> So, is it just me or does Firefox 3 seem awfully unstable
[18:14] <pen> anyone know the most complete icon set ever in ubuntu?
[18:14] <pen> most consistent
[18:14] <jac0b|w> genii: what about dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version#
[18:15] <savvas> Creeture: unstable when doing what?
[18:15] <Creeture> savvas: Try to save a file.
[18:16] <Creeture> It's weird. I click a link to save, and firefox freezes. In an attempt to see what it's doing, I start an strace on that pid. When I start the strace, firefox starts responding again.
[18:16] <Creeture> Unless I stop the strace, then it freezes again.
[18:16] <savvas> Creeture: download a file you mean? or save a website? either way, mine works
[18:17] <Creeture> savvas: Yeah, it's just being kooky.
[18:19] <savvas> Creeture: you could start fresh (losing all your extensions, passwords, bookmarks, configuration) by clearing up .mozilla/ and do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox-3.0"
[18:19] <jac0b|w> if I were to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version# would that fix a problem i have initramfs
[18:19] <quittt> to update it, just change all gutsy in sources.list to hardy??
[18:19] <Creeture> savvas: I just finished that little experiment. Same thing.
[18:20] <alteregoa> ok, how can i pileup hardy to 2.6.25
[18:20] <savvas> Creeture: did you reinstall firefox or firefox-3.0 ?
[18:20] <alteregoa> i can't smell the kernel , it doesn't work somehow
[18:20] <Creeture> savvas: That's the only part I skipped. Going to do it now.
[18:20] <noodlesgc> anyone know if the intel 965 x3100 compiz and video playback issues are fixed in Hardy?
[18:20] <quittt> oh Firefox is very sucky... I stick with SeaMonkey hehe
[18:21] <paynito> after upgrading to 8.04 with synaptic i am in commandline and startx fails with xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) unable to connect to X server
[18:21] <alteregoa> i use internet exploderer
[18:21] <savvas> Creeture: apt-cache policy firefox-3.0 | grep -i "installed\|candidate"
[18:21] <warrendX> hi
[18:21] <warrendX> i would like to know if there's also an hour planned for the hardy release?
[18:22] <savvas> no warrendX
[18:22] <warrendX> ok
[18:22] <Creeture> savvas: Both are 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[18:22] <orthodoc> guys how do we upgrade from the devloper release?
[18:22] <orthodoc> does it just happen?
[18:22] <warrendX> savvas : also not a hour deadline?
[18:23] <warrendX> i had liked to know if it would be released before tomorrow 8h (GTM+2), but i don't think so
[18:23] <savvas> orthodoc: if you update, you get the current hardy, and you'll get the released one the same way, through updates :) you're already using hardy
[18:23] <orthodoc> yes i am
[18:23] <alteregoa> whats a seamonkey? ancient african homo erectus?
[18:24] <savvas> Creeture: might be one of your plugins? :\ or does it do the same thing when you run it after you clear up .mozilla/firefox ?
[18:24] <orthodoc> savvas: just wanted to know if i 've to run any particular command
[18:24] <savvas> orthodoc: nope :)
[18:24] <orthodoc> ok...
[18:24] <savvas> warrendX: i'm not sure, but why do you ask?
[18:24] <orthodoc> how many hrs from now??
[18:25] <warrendX> because i wanted to download when i'm away :)
[18:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> 'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other apps like that available to me?
[18:25] <topyli> alteregoa: the old style mozilla suite with the browser, mail client and composer bundled
[18:25] <alteregoa> nice
[18:25] <alteregoa> so tomorow i have to apt-get update another 600mb?
[18:25] <orthodoc> not aware if there is any auto upgrade procedures yet!
[18:26] <savvas> warrendX: you can make a script for that :P
[18:26] <warrendX> for what? :)
[18:26] <orthodoc> ok...
[18:26] <savvas> warrendX: to check 2-3 hours and try download it
[18:26] <Creeture> savvas: I think I may have tracked it down. I did your suggestion. Cleaned and reinstalled. At the hardy welcome page, put in lightning in the google search box. Went to the mozilla lightning page and did the save link as after following the linux x86 link. it worked. then, i did edit preferences, changed my download option to prompt for where to save and did the same thing again. locked up.
[18:26] <noodlesgc> hello anyone please? I need to know if intel 965 is unblacklisted in Hardy?
[18:26] <warrendX> ow yeah , would be nice
[18:26] <alteregoa> i don't think i need a clean install
[18:27] <x-ip> hi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?
[18:27] <savvas> Creeture: you could run firefox from a terminal then, just to see if there's an output :)
[18:27] <Baby_Shambl3s> 'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other docking stations that i could use?
[18:27] <Creeture> savvas: already doing it. no output.
[18:27] <Pici> x-ip: Enlightenment is in the repositories
[18:27] <alteregoa> ok i tried to download the iso on a BBS with ZMODEM, but it takes a few hours
[18:28] <x-ip> ou, Pici but is the 0.16 and i want the 0.17
[18:28] <Creeture> savvas: Something in this fiddling around has made it better.
[18:28] <orthodoc> warrendX: find a nice installation script her - http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/install.html
[18:28] <x-ip> Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5
[18:28] <Pici> x-ip: ah, so I suppose it is, nevermind
[18:28] <orthodoc> but it requires interaction...
[18:28] <Pici> x-ip: You'll have to search yourself for a packaged version of E then
[18:29] <x-ip> ok =), thanks
[18:29] <x-ip> hmmm where are the repositories from elubuntu ?
[18:29] <alteregoa> elbuntu?
[18:29] <x-ip> i saw it called eubuntu too
[18:29] <spowers> if i try modprobe nvidia, and dmesg shows  nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module  does that sound familiar to anyone?
[18:29] <x-ip> the documentation isnt updated, so the links doesnt work anymore
[18:30] <alteregoa> potprobe ganjidia dmsg smoke
[18:30] <Creeture> savvas: Looks like it's not just firefox. It's just a symptom. I'm seeing some crash data in dmesg.
[18:31] <paynito> do i really need the -f  on my sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:31] <Baby_Shambl3s> so im guessing i cant use docking apps like AWN without conky or beryl... but their must be other apps that do the same but dont rely on conky/beryl, can someone suggets soemthing :(?
[18:31] <Creeture> paynito: In my opinion, you should use aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:31] <savvas> Creeture: try report a bug about it :)
[18:32] <paynito> thanks, why is aptitude better?
[18:32] <Creeture> savvas: Don't know what to report yet. :) Thanks for the help so far though.
[18:32] <warrendX> orthodoc : wasn't there also something to download the iso today and download when it's out the changes, or something like thatN
[18:32] <warrendX> N
[18:32] <warrendX> ?
[18:33] <savvas> Creeture: there's another rather risky way to clear up most if not all gnome-related configurations, it helped me clear up a lot of bugs
[18:33] <Creeture> stuff is segfaulting all over the place.
[18:33] <orthodoc> the official release will be out tommorrow and you can download the release the iso then
[18:33] <orthodoc> but the problem is, everyone will be downloading...
[18:33] <warrendX> i thought you could download RC
[18:33] <Fritzel> does anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?
[18:33] <orthodoc> and the servers will be loaded
[18:33] <warrendX> and ownload potential chnages
[18:33] <orthodoc> yes you could download RCas well
[18:33] <Creeture> I'm getting segfaults from x-session-manager now, along with kded (started because amarok ROCKS).
[18:34] <d4t4min3r> I can't get my wifi to work, im using a usb linksys wifi and its listing networks in the network think, showing the network "linksys" and it connects but
[18:34] <savvas> Creeture: ah.. kde.. not my "experties" :P
[18:34] <d4t4min3r> it won't work. and when you look at the connection details it doesn't have any.. ip address or any info
[18:34] <orthodoc> am not sure about downloading potential changes, but you can keep updating and upgrading the RC
[18:34] <Creeture> savvas: I'm actually using xubuntu, but amarok starts up kded and kdeinit.
[18:34] <Creeture> This thing is being weird.
[18:34] <warrendX> ok
[18:35] <orthodoc> one of the reasons why i upgrade to the RC just before the release...
[18:36] <d4t4min3r> could anyone help me
[18:36] <savvas> warrendX: there's another solution, you could download the rc, and then use rsync to download just the file changes
[18:36] <orthodoc> ...of the final version...
[18:36] <warrendX> was that then
[18:36] <orthodoc> there never is actually a final release..
[18:36] <warrendX> but there aren't any important changes or updates?
[18:36] <orthodoc> there is only a named release...
[18:36] <d4t4min3r> could anyone help me with connectign to the interent
[18:37] <savvas> warrendX: well... there were some 150mb of updates these days..
[18:37] <orthodoc> changes and updates keep happening
[18:37] <warrendX> ok
[18:37] <warrendX> i mean between RC and tomorrow?
[18:37] <orthodoc> but usually it is robust enough and it is not necessary to update except for the security releases
[18:37] <orthodoc> remember this is a LTS
[18:38] <Mimi> lts = limited time support?
[18:38] <savvas> long :p
[18:38] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me with wifi problems
[18:38] <savvas> 3 years for desktop, 5 for server
[18:38] <warrendX> long time ^^
[18:38] <Mimi> oh ok  :)
[18:38] <Mimi> !ask | d4t4min3r
[18:38] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:38] <ravalox> d4t4miner, I may be able to
[18:39] <ravalox> Is it an Atheros card?
[18:39] <savvas> !wifi | d4t4min3r
[18:39] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> just installed 8.04 and the wifi is picking up networks, including mine
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> I click to connect to it, and it says connected but I can't surf to any page including the 192.168.1...
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> and.. if I click on connection detials it says its all empy... ip address all that is empy
[18:40] <orthodoc> the first thing i noticed today id that hibernation is working on my laptop...
[18:40] <d4t4min3r> im using linksys usb wifi
[18:41] <pen> anyone know the most complete icon set available in ubuntu?
[18:41] <Laney> Tango?
[18:41] <orthodoc> pen: the ultimate gnome
[18:41] <warrendX> pen: search on gnome-look, but i would recommend you humanElephant or nuovext or tango
[18:42] <pen> ok
[18:42] <pen> any others?
[18:42] <pen> I want some variety too
[18:42] <warrendX> humanElephant looks nice on hardy
[18:42] <Boohbah> humanElephant is a scary name
[18:43] <pen> lol
[18:43] <LinuxGuy1234> Just installed 8.04 in VBox under Gusty... and works
[18:43] <warrendX> or it was human savannah or something like that
[18:43] <Fritzel> are there any mmo's aside from Everquest, Everquest 2, and WoW that have controls like those games and run in some form or another on ubuntu? I can't find a game that has controls that I can tolerate
[18:44] <nanonyme> Is humanelephant a God that has a human's body and an elephant's head?
[18:44] <Mimi> Fritzel, Guild Wars?
[18:45] <siriusnova> Fritzel - MMORPGs are horrid
[18:45] <Fritzel> er I ment to put guildwars on the list, too
[18:45] <siriusnova> I played WoW till i realized I was an addict
[18:45] <Mimi> Oh ok:)
[18:45] <siriusnova> and gave up on it
[18:45] <siriusnova> it was like going through a real addiction, withdrawls and everything lol
[18:45] <Mimi> If you had a life you woudlnt get addicted to it!!! ....  jk. *cough* Yeah, gotta focus on.. doing... something... productive!!! *goes read more about ubuntu* xD
[18:45] <Fritzel> -nod- yeah they can do that, so do you know of any other games with good controls?
[18:45] <tomd123> so have the updates stopped coming since they are finalizing the releasE?
[18:46] <spowers> someone should make wesnoth massively multiplayer
[18:46] <spowers> or uqm
[18:46] <tomd123> easier said then done
[18:47] <spowers> i don't really mean someone should do it
[18:47] <spowers> but i bet it would be fun
[18:48] <tomd123> spowers: you should start creating it. Seriously that's how open source gets done, someone gets an idea and makes it into a reality rather than leaving it as an idea
[18:48] <Creeture> Gonna go reboot, see if this thing quits segfaulting
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> ok so I guess I should try ndis drivers for my wifi usb device but.. I don't have the origanal disk with the drivers on it..
[18:48] <spowers> tomd123: yeah, i could..  if it really, really tickled my fancy
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> it doesn't make sense that it can pick them up and show them... but it just won't connect
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> well it shows connected with three bars just I can't surft to any site
[18:49] <spowers> tomd123: i mean, enough to get good at C.  i'm not sure the uqm project would appreciate me sending them a bunch of half-arsed changes in a giant patch that probably broke half their game
[18:50] <spowers> is anyone else having trouble with the binary nvidia driver in hardy after an upgrade from gutsy? i cannot get the kernel module to load.
[18:50] <tomd123> spowers: I meant starting your own fork, not just patching their game lol, that would be ridiculous
[18:50] <Fritzel> I'll mess with wesnoth I've never actually played it maybe I can get into it
[18:50] <spowers> wesnoth is a fun game!
[18:50] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me
[18:51] <Fritzel> it certainly seems detailed
[18:51] <tomd123> spowers: fork as in keep game play, just make it an mmo, lol, I guess you shouldn't start it then if you don't know what I'm talking about :P
[18:51] <warrendX> why was this news posted: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[18:51] <warrendX> i though it was the 24th? :)
[18:52] <d4t4min3r> anyone here that can help me with wifi issues
[18:52] <tomd123> read the actual article warrendX
[18:52] <tomd123> warrendX: they announced it, the head line is misleading
[18:52] <Mimi> warrendX, it says 'Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April.'  What was your question again?
[18:53] <Baby_Shambl3s> how can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?
[18:53] <warrendX> ow ok sorry
[18:54] <LinuxGuy1234> warrendX: it's the 23rd
[18:54] <briansvgs> hello
[18:54] <warrendX> euh, tomorrow
[18:54] <briansvgs> so networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)
[18:54] <Mimi> It would help people across different timezones if we just said "its tomororw', because unlike dates, tomorrow is tomorrow
[18:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> how can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?
[18:56] <tomd123> well, first thing 8.04 comes out, I'm installing minimal + enlightenment, I don't like gnome, too bloated for me
[18:56] <tomd123> maybe not bloated, I just like to play with "features" :P
[18:56] <Mimi> is update-manager --dist upgrade supposed to  ditch all your custom settings and apps?
[18:56] <tomd123> I don't think so
[18:57] <briansvgs> so networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)
[18:57] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s,  i dont use cairo but just googling for 'cairo dock hardy how to' i got a bucnh of stuff
[18:57] <tomd123> briansvgs: does it connect to the network?
[18:57] <blue|palm> Hi, ive just installed the hardy rc, but I can't seem to get my ati drivers working perfectly. xvinfo reports: "X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0  no adaptors present" and this of course means that everything requiring xv doesn't work (mpalyer mainly)
[18:57] <topyli> tomd123: you'll probably want to run things like gnome-settings-daemon though. means installing much of gnome
[18:57] <briansvgs> yes
[18:58] <blue|palm> im using the drivers out of the restricted driver manager, which i believe is 8.3
[18:58] <topyli> tomd123: i would simply install gnome in order to make sure my E desktop works smoothly
[18:58] <briansvgs> but in gutsy, after you connected to the network once, it would autoconnect to it after
[18:58] <jerico2day> hey all, i've a quick question the 8.04 desktop edition coming out soon, will it support raid natively during the install? (couldn't find the answer at ubuntu.com)
[18:58] <tomd123> topyli: I do fine with the command line + firefox
[18:58] <topyli> tomd123: why E then?
[18:58] <topyli> twm is much smaller
[18:59] <tomd123> topyli: I like the e menus
[18:59] <topyli> now you lost me, sorry
[18:59] <Mimi> x) can we have global menu like mac os x in hardy :P
[18:59] <topyli> you like the command line, firefox, and a menu?
[18:59] <tomd123> when you click on the desktop, a menu pops up with different apps just like the apps menu in gnome
[19:00] <topyli> so you can launch firefox?
[19:00] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: way ahead of you just wondering if there was a way to get it directory from  synaptic with having to compile just by adding a repository to hardy?
[19:00] <Pici> xfce has that, does it not?
[19:00] <briansvgs> yes. I can launch firefox as well
[19:01] <tomd123> topyli: you didn't specify it had to make sense
[19:01] <briansvgs> I was just asking about the autoconnect thing. everything else is working properly
[19:02] <tomd123> briansvgs: google is your friend
[19:03] <tomd123> first link popped up http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-178933.html
[19:03] <Baby_Shambl3s> I'm guessing there is no way to add cairo-dock to the repository is there cause google is giving me nothing but compiling?
[19:03] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone know what time tomorrow hardy goes up
[19:03] <warrendX> they says that there isn't an hour :(
[19:03] <anzas> no, its impossible to predict
[19:04] <spowers> depends on the mirror
[19:04] <warrendX> approximatively?
[19:04] <spowers> you should try to not destroy archive.u.c
[19:04] <Blice> Hi. I just switched to thew new version, and I have a problem. I only have borders on one window at a time. Like, if I switch from one window to another, the new window gets borders and the window I switched from loses it's borders. Any ideas?
[19:04] <_Rambaldi_> i wonder if once its up if there will be a mass update
[19:04] <briansvgs> thanks.
[19:04] <blue|palm> can anyone point me to a link that could help fix xv issues?
[19:05] <tomd123> Blice: your one day too early, wait for tomarrow and burn the real release, if you still have problems, you should then mention them
[19:05] <beex> I've updated two machines I use daily to the RC, and now I cannot get synergy to work
[19:05] <jetsaredim> did the stock ubuntu mouse cursors get removed or something?
[19:05] <beex> jetsaredim, the look fine to me
[19:06] <tomd123> jetsaredim: mouse is the same, I don't really notice though
[19:06] <jetsaredim> i did a few updates last night logged out and logged back in just now and my kwin-baghira package was gone
[19:06] <beex> does anybody else use synergy?
[19:06] <jaffarkel> nope
[19:06] <jetsaredim> and also my mouse cursor was reset back to the stock and I don't see the ubuntu cursors in my configuration to choose from
[19:07] <jaffarkel> does anyone know if its possible to adjust lcd brightness in command line?
[19:07] <d4t4min3r> does anyone know if ndiswrapper comes install on HH
[19:07] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: no, but you can adjust nvidia driver alpha level with nvidia-settings
[19:08] <dny> after setting up a lamp server, phpmyadmin should be at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ right?  it's not showing up for me. :x
[19:08] <d4t4min3r> I found the cd with the dirvers for the usbwifi on it
[19:08] <paynito> anyone have a
[19:08] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: i'm not sure but you could always download the .deb before hand if you need it for install
[19:08] <paynito> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:08] <paynito> xkeyboard-config
[19:08] <jaffarkel> this if for a laptop, my brightness control wont work with the new kernels (14-16) Boohbah
[19:09] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: if it works in an older kernel, why not use the old kernel?
[19:09] <ubuntucool123> if anyone has trident video card in laptop and wants to run ubuntu 8.04 with proper resolution look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4772671
[19:09] <tomd123> jaffarkel: you have to go to the proc folder and search for the folder it is in on the internet, then just edit the file and set the number to the brightness you want, save and your good
[19:10] <jaffarkel> i thought kernel updates were necessary for a secure box Boohbah
[19:10] <NukeSkyjumper> i'm copying a few large files from one drive to another, and the entire machine is running godawfully slow...
[19:10] <paynito> after upgrading with aptitude dist-upgrade
[19:10] <paynito> my kernel is
[19:10] <paynito> 2.6.15-51-386
[19:10] <paynito> is that right?
[19:10] <x1250> jaffarkel: it really depends of the changelog in the new kernel. The update may have nothing to do with security, or it can...
[19:11] <NukeSkyjumper> seems like this should be handled better, especially on a core2duo system @3.3GHz
[19:11] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: no, most kernel development adds new features, and when there is a security fix, you will hear about it
[19:11] <paynito> i always get setting kernel variables : failed on boot
[19:11] <Pici> paynito: aptitude dist-upgrade will not upgrade you from Dapper to Hardy
[19:11] <paynito> damn
[19:11] <jaffarkel> tomd123 what folder in proc
[19:11] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: like the vmsplice exploit which came out in january...\
[19:11] <tomd123> paynito: type in "uname -a" into the command line to see your kernel version
[19:11] <Dusk_> hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???
[19:11] <tomd123> jaffarkel: you have to check on the internet for your laptop
[19:12] <tomd123> mine was in acpi/sony/brightness, I can't remember exactly
[19:12] <Pici> paynito: Please see the topic on how to do the LTS Upgrade
[19:12] <jaffarkel> oh i see, i never knew that i thought kernel updates were security fixed Boohbah
[19:12] <paynito> 2.6.15-51-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 12 16:52:52 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:12] <paynito> i did, i did the LTS upgrade with upgrade manager
[19:12] <jaffarkel> i will check tomd123
[19:12] <markf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f197
[19:13] <paynito> unplugged the power half way
[19:13] <Dusk_> hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???
[19:13] <paynito> had a messed up dapper
[19:13] <paynito> reinstalled pango
[19:13] <x1250> cd .config
[19:13] <x1250> oops, lol
[19:13] <paynito> now i have a command prompt
[19:13] <tomd123> jaffarkel: find it on the internet, they changed the directory, I just looked
[19:14] <x1250> Dusk_: $ cat .config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:14] <paynito> Ubuntu 8.04 danny-laptop tty1
[19:14] <jaffarkel> i did a systm search for brightness, i found some .sh files in proc tomd123
[19:14] <paynito> xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
[19:14] <x1250> Dusk_: there define XDG_DESKTOP_DIR as /home/user/
[19:15] <tomd123> jaffarkel: I cannot help you for certain, google your laptop and brightness adjust
[19:16] <jaffarkel> thanks for the help anyway tomd123
[19:16] <Eli_> Hi i ran into strange bugs after upgrading to hardy today. It looks like it is PolicyKit/Dbus related. Anyone here who can help ?
[19:17] <melter> does anyone know if ubuntu's firefox 3.0b5 has all the security fixes from 2.0.14?
[19:18] <tomd123> melter: if the fixed it in 2.0.14 then they probably fixed it in the new one
[19:19] <melter> 2.0.14 was released after 3.0b5
[19:19] <Pici> melter: Perhaps, maybe 2.0.14's fixes dont even apply to FF3?
[19:19] <melter> so 2.0.14 IS the new one
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: hey
[19:19] <melter> Pici: i don't know
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: the name of the driver on the install cd for the usbwifi... is the same driver that is listed now on ubuntu that its using
[19:19] <Pici> melter: Neither do I
[19:19] <tomd123> melter: the name says it all though, if you don't want problems, you probably want to use 2.0.0.14
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> rf2500
[19:20] <d4t4min3r> its showing the network in the wifi listing on ubuntu.. and it says it  connects... and gives me three bars but I can't surf to any site
[19:20] <nanonyme> Hmm, does Hardy already have a package for Firefox 2?
[19:20] <tomd123> beta means that it is under developement, it's not even a release candidate so expect lots of bugs
[19:21] <tomd123> nanonyme: yes
[19:21] <nanonyme> Under which name?
[19:21] <Eli_> has anyone read my message
[19:21] <Eli_> ?
[19:21] <d4t4min3r> any ideas?
[19:21] <tomd123> nanonyme: "sudo apt-get install firefox-2"
[19:21] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: pastebin the ouput of iwconfig please
[19:22] <x1250> Eli_: Maybe there is someone who can help, but what you say will not do. Pastebin some error messages or be more descriptive.
[19:22] <nanonyme> Right, firefox-2 then.
[19:22] <d4t4min3r> sure one sec im gona have to discontect from this pc to the other
[19:22] <d4t4min3r> ill be back
[19:22] <Boohbah> i guess pastebin is sort of tricky with no network
[19:22] <kahrytan> nanonyme->  dont share profiles with ff3 and ff2
[19:22] <Eli_> i posted it here but since the thread is "solved" it seems to be ignored
[19:22] <Eli_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=727746
[19:22] <nanonyme> kahrytan: Do they try to do that by default?
[19:23] <kahrytan> nanonyme-> forgot. I just know it isnt compatble
[19:24] <nanonyme> Hmm. It refuses to start Firefox 2 for me even with the start menu icon.
[19:24] <nanonyme> It starts FF3 b5 instead. :/
[19:24] <paynito> the following packages have unmet dependencies
[19:24] <paynito> xkeyboard-config: depends: xkb -data >= 1.1~cvs.20080104 but it is not installed
[19:25] <BUGabund1> hi there
[19:25] <BUGabund1> quick check
[19:25] <tomd123> nanonyme, completely remove ff3 and 2 and then install just 2, I think I heard about this issue somewhere
[19:25] <BUGabund1> does umount autocomplete on bash on your hardy systems?
[19:26] <tomd123> BUGabund1: yes
[19:26] <BUGabund1> typing "umount TAB TAB"
[19:26] <BUGabund1> it lists losts of stuff, and not my dirs/mount points, tomd123
[19:27] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I think you want to type in mount
[19:27] <tomd123> not umount
[19:27] <tomd123> BUGabund1: just type in mount and hit enter, no tabbing plz
[19:28] <BUGabund1> why not tomd123?
[19:28] <blackvd> ﻿I just upgraded to hardy and now emerald isn't running on boot. I have to run emerald --replace from alt+f2 does anyone know how I can have it start on login?
[19:28] <BUGabund1> I need to get to the mountpoint so I can unmount it
[19:29] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I don't know, I guess you're supposed to know what to unmount before you type in the command
[19:29] <NukeSkyjumper> how do you tell udev to rescan devices?
[19:29] <NukeSkyjumper> i just created a new partition, but its device isn't showing up in /dev
[19:29] <tomd123> BUGabund1:  no you don't, just type in umount and then the absolute path to the directory
[19:30] <BUGabund1> don't be stupid tomd123
[19:30] <BUGabund1> it worked a few weeks ago
[19:31] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I suggest you try somewhere else if your not going to listen to people
[19:31] <blackvd> well I thought I might try and fix the easy problem first. My major problem after update is that sudo is broken now " unable to resolve host"
[19:31] <tomd123> BUGabund1: why don't you read "man umount" if you don't like to listen to ppl
[19:32] <paynito> after upgrading to hardy i only have a cli and start x says
[19:32] <paynito> xauth: creating new authority file /home/danny/.serverauth.4808
[19:32] <paynito> giving up.
[19:32] <paynito> xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
[19:32] <paynito> xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
[19:32] <paynito> any help?
[19:33] <BUGabund1> just re-read it tomd123... nowhere it says it doenst handle bash autocomplete
[19:33] <d4t4min31> Boohbah: you here
[19:33] <d4t4min31> http://pastebin.com/d2378e860
[19:34] <Boohbah> i'll take a look
[19:34] <d4t4min31> thanks
[19:34] <Boohbah> it looks good
[19:34] <Boohbah> try 'ifconfig wlan0'
[19:34] <tomd123> BUGabund1: when you hit tab when you type in umount does it autocomplete
[19:34] <Boohbah> d4t4min31: does it show that you have an ip address?
[19:34] <d4t4min31> no
[19:35] <Whitor> Hi... My wireless card worked with 7.10 but not yet with 8.04 ... I'm getting a little nervous since the official release is so close... I've been updating via a wired NIC... and hoping that with an update, my wireless would start working again... I knew this -was- a known issue... is it still ?? or should I start digging for a manual solution?
[19:35] <BUGabund1> priv tomd123
[19:35] <d4t4min31> its empty
[19:35] <tomd123> BUGabund1: the answer is yes
[19:35] <Boohbah> d4t4min31: ok, 'sudo dhclient wlan0'
[19:36] <d4t4min31> ok give me five mins ill be back
[19:36] <d4t4min31> gota switch agin
[19:37] <patifa> Whitor: it may help if you specify what card you have
[19:37] <__max_> anyone know what command shows what programs are using the sound driver? im guessing im using oss
[19:38] <firefeather> Anyone had experience with using jigdo on the install CDs?
[19:38] <__max_> i killed the pid for firefox since it locked up, and now xmms wont play :)
[19:38] <Boohbah> Whitor: i heard there was an issue with ndiswrapper in 2.6.24 but mine is working with 2.6.24-16-generic
[19:38] <__max_> or if there is a script that unloads and loads the nessesary sound drivers again.
[19:38] <Ergo^> hello
[19:38] <Ergo^> ﻿﻿im having trouble with brasero and writing a double layer DVD
[19:39] <Ergo^> it says "cant write with current plugin set"
[19:39] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later
[19:39] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/alsa-info.sh
[19:39] <tomd123> DanaG: link not working
[19:39] <pen_> how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?
[19:39] <DanaG> or rather
[19:39] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/reload-alsa.sh
[19:39] <__max_> cheers :D
[19:39] <DanaG> from alsa-info site before it went down.
[19:40] <DanaG> When anybody links to a shell script, it's a good idea to look at it at least once to be sure there's nothing blatantly bad.
[19:40] <pen_> anyone know how?
[19:40] <Ergo^> does anyone have any experience with writing a double layer DVD's on hardy ?
[19:41] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??
[19:41] <marx2k_> When using screen, alt-s pauses my screen completely and I have to SSH back in and reattach... how do I go about not having to do that after hitting alt-s?
[19:41] <Boohbah> DanaG: why, did you put a fork bomb in that one? :-)
[19:42] <__max_> DanaG: worked like a charm, that script should really be included in the distro =/ not the first time its happend
[19:42] <agibby5>  i'm having a great deal of issues in hardy.  when i launch firefox, and press the control key, it crashes, when i press any key in a new terminal it crashes... any ideas/
[19:42] <DanaG> Boohbah: I know you're joking there, but you did get what I meant.
[19:42] <agibby5> also, my shift, windows, and contrl keys dont work as expected
[19:42] <DanaG> I once made a forkbomb program that'd fork a specified number of times.
[19:43] <agibby5> btw, i just did the upgrade to hardy last night.
[19:43] <DanaG> Once I accidentally locked up my system with 2^100 threads, I limited it to 50.
[19:43] <__max_> i actually read the code before executing it though ^ ^
[19:43] <marx2k_> Thats more like a fork-firecracker
[19:43] <dny> All of a sudden I'm getting ALSA errors such as 'The ALSA soundsystem is either busy or not present.'  How do I go about fixing this? :x
[19:43] <DanaG> So..... if you ask for over 50, it says, "YOU MAY NOT!!!"
[19:43] <pen_> how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?
[19:43] <jeffimperial> Hello everyone.. what time in GMT does the Final Release get to the community?
[19:44] <DanaG> It also reminds me of a prank program I once made in VB6: it opened 250 copies of a small window, in random positions; each window had a "Go Away" button.
[19:44] <DanaG> .... and to be nice, I made it so that clicking any one would close all 250 windows.
[19:45] <Ergo^> anyone ?? i have a guest and cant write a double layer for him :D
[19:45] <Ergo^> single layer works perfectly fine
[19:45] <DanaG> baobab can't do it?
[19:45] <DanaG> Try k3b, perhaps.
[19:45] <DanaG> It'll pull in several KDE libraries, though.
[19:46] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[19:46] <Ergo^> hmm, but its hould work in gnome programs too ?
[19:46] <Boohbah> DanaG: assuming that you don't already have kde libraries installed... but does anybody NOT use KDE??
[19:47] <DanaG> "Anybody not use KDE" -- you know, if that were applied to religion, it'd be considered rude.
[19:47] <Boohbah> :-)
[19:47] <DanaG> Watch out for that -- some people are desktop-environment zealots.
[19:47] <bod_> hey guys, when i use mozilla it lags my machine, everytime it has to load a site, my mouse jerks and music jumps -- has anyone else experienced this?
[19:48] <Ununbium> people still believe in religion?
[19:48] <Boohbah> DanaG: i've been using free desktop evironments for a decade, i know what i like :-)
[19:48] <firefeather> Ununbium: Depends; do you believe in people who believe in religion?
[19:48] <Ununbium> nope
[19:48] <Ununbium> they don't exist
[19:49] <bod_> this only started happening since i started using wi-fi
[19:49] <firefeather> Ununbium: ;)
[19:49] <vicentecarro> Hi
[19:49] <firefeather> Oops; forgot I was joking around in the wrong channel; ubuntu-release is where that chatter should go. Sorry
[19:50] <vicentecarro> Where is .trash in ubuntu 8.04?
[19:50] <kane77> I have strange thing happening.. I open network settings and unlock it and then I try to change the location/profile and it gives me: "The configuration could not be saved. you are not allowed to modify the system configuration..."  what's that?
[19:50] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??
[19:50] <Boohbah> Dusk_: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:51] <bod_> vicentecarro, same place it was in 7.10 home/user/.Trash
[19:52] <vicentecarro> not in my users...
[19:52] <virtuald> it's ~/.local/share/Trash for me but it's an old install
[19:52] <Dusk_> bod_: let me paste it to you
[19:52] <vicentecarro> virtuald, i go to check it
[19:52] <bod_> Dusk_, ???
[19:53] <vicentecarro> Correct :)
[19:53] <paynito> dpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config (--configure)
[19:53] <Dusk_> bod_: sorry wrong person
[19:53] <paynito> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:53] <paynito> does that keep me from having a gui?
[19:53] <Dusk_> Boohbah: let me paste it to you
[19:53] <vicentecarro> Thanks virtuald
[19:53] <bod_> guys, how do i turn ipv6 off in firefix - its some weird string put into tthe address bar
[19:53] <bod_> Dusk_, ok ;~)
[19:54] <Dusk_> Boohbah: http://pastebin.com/m7556cd1b
[19:54] <bod_> vicentecarro, im guessing the file path virtuald gave u is the accumulated trash of all users (brainstormin)
[19:54] <Boohbah> bod_: how is firefox getting an ipv6 string in the address bar?
[19:55] <vicentecarro> bod_, i go to make a test about that
[19:55] <bod_> Boohbah, its not,, its a special thing you type into the address bar of firefox to get to some settings -- i no you can turn ipv6 off there
[19:55] <Boohbah> Dusk_: and you said your X server is crashing? the log looks fine
[19:55] <bod_> vicentecarro, cool -- lemme no your findins ;~)
[19:55] <Dusk_> Boohbah: it restarts and turn backs to GDM log in screen
[19:55] <bod_> Boohbah, my problem is firefox spikes to 50% cpu everytime it has to do something
[19:57] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[19:57] <virtuald> bod_: it's in my home dir
[19:57] <genii> bod_:   about:config in the url bar gives you firefox settings. You may want network.dns.disableIPv6      area.
[19:57] <bod_> genii -- i think thats the one -- thanks dude
[19:57] <genii> bod_: np
[19:59] <bod_> genii, if network.dns.disableIPv6 is tur does that mean ipv6 is disabled?
[19:59] <bod_> virtuald, what is?
[19:59] <vicentecarro> bod_, confirmed. All my users have their own .local/share/.Trash/files/ folder and the deleted files are going now to that (strange) place. So i guess there is no more .trash folder in ubuntu.
[20:00] <bod_> vicentecarro, im using ubuntu 8.04 dev 64 and i have a home/bod/.Trash
[20:00] <vicentecarro> Are you sure your deleted files are going to .Trash?
[20:00] <virtuald> bod_: .local/share/Trash
[20:00] <bod_> oh, kk
[20:01] <bod_> vicentecarro, going to test
[20:01] <bod_> vicentecarro, test confirmed (yes they do)
[20:02] <virtuald> i guess the path can be changed in gconf-editor
[20:02] <vicentecarro> ok then. I'll keep that in mind if someone ask me.
[20:03] <vicentecarro> Thanks. see you
[20:03] <bod_> kk
[20:03] <bod_> ;~)
[20:04] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: u here
[20:04] <lixomancem> I have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?
[20:04] <Disgruntldtote> Hello everyone, I have an interesting webcam issue I would like to know if you could help me with
[20:05] <tomd123> Disgruntldtote: just ask your question
[20:05] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: i am floating between channels
[20:05] <unenough> Hi, how do I control which video driver X uses? in xorg.conf there is no "DRIVER" line for the video device
[20:05] <Disgruntldtote> I am using a Logitech Quickcam Communicate STX on Hardy, and it does see it and function, but in every app EXCEPT for Camorama the picture has a blue hue.
[20:06] <Disgruntldtote> I tried adding the line "options gspca force_rgb=1" into my  /etc/modprobe.d/options
[20:06] <Disgruntldtote> but to no avail
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> unenough: whats your video card?
[20:06] <unenough> radeon
[20:06] <unenough> should be using fglrx
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> did you install the fglrx driver?
[20:07] <atob> Has anybody had problems with grub in hardy recently?
[20:07] <unenough> nosrednaekim: yes
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> unenough: ok, you need to add the driver line then
[20:07] <unenough> nosrednaekim: i'm wondering how Xorg chooses a dirver if there is no "driver" line
[20:08] <Zambezi> Is it problem with apt-get update now?
[20:08] <Disgruntldtote> hmph
[20:08] <kabads> should I be able to see 'headphone jack sense' on any of the sound controls in Hardy Heron, as I can't find them.
[20:08] <agibby5> anyone else having problems with ctrl, shift, and/or windows button issues in hardy/
[20:09] <lixomancem> I have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?
[20:09] <Disgruntldtote> No sugestions then I spose
[20:10] <tannewt> what suspend technique is used in Hardy?  I want to add a script to be run
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> i somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> unable to resolve host home
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> am i still connected?
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> unenough: it chooses the defalt for your card... "ati"
[20:11] <kabads> I'm having a problem muting my laptops  front built-in speakers when I plug in headphones
[20:12] <unenough> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:12] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, looks like you need to get some kind of color correction filter working on your webcam
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> ﻿ somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> (03:04:18 PM) d4t4min3r: unable to resolve host home
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> (03:04:25 PM) d4t4min3r: am i still connected?
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> keep loosing connection
[20:13] <Disgruntldtote> Thanks bitraiser, I just wish I knew how.
[20:14] <d4t4min3r> anyone here
[20:15] <Pici> d4t4min3r: yes
[20:16] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, has it worked in Gutsy and it just stopped working, now that you're on Hardy? According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasLogitech it's supposed to work on gutsy out of the box with the provided gspca driver
[20:16]  * izinucs is away: I'm having...... a break
[20:16] <kabads> if I compile alsa manually will it be easy to revert to ubuntu's default sound if it doesn't work?
[20:17] <Disgruntldtote> yeah well it does just im blue
[20:17] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, might want to send this guy ("scottslinux") here a PM or so and ask him how he's got his Communicate STX working with the color correction filter.       http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4722735
[20:17] <Disgruntldtote> lol
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> i never used it in Gutsy
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> I just got it today
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> I appologise, the phone rang while you guys were responding to me
[20:21] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone tell me if my 'make check' compiled alright or if there are any issues i should be aware of - http://pastebin.ca/994926?
[20:21] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly
[20:22] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, what do you get with lsusb again on your camera? apparently there are 2 versions out there (with 2 different chipsets), using the wrong driver/driver version may cause some issues
[20:23] <Disgruntldtote> ahha, let me look really quick like
[20:23] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the compile, couple of warnings, but that shouldn't matter
[20:23] <Disgruntldtote> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc.
[20:24] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, mind if I PM you? we might have your solution here
[20:24] <Disgruntldtote> hey you betcha
[20:24] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: make and make check should work, its make install that you need sudo for
[20:24] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: thanx so I cna ignore the warnings without worrying it make cause problems when it is actually compiled o_0? and when using 'make' do i have to be in root (sudo) or can i do it as normal user?
[20:25] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: make is fine as normal user
[20:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: you read ym mind your too good cant compete :D
[20:26] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: warnings are typically ok if you got the package off of the main site and they aren't beta
[20:26] <xngear> i'm glad you fixed uslpash, it is show something now instead of just turning monitor off lol :D
[20:27] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: yup got it from the actual site, the latest stable version, thanks for that i'm more relaxed will do make than make install
[20:27] <doug2266778822_>  how does one change his curser icons i have the one i want downloaded. and im in the newest distro
[20:27] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, do you see my PMs?
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> yes  I see your pms
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> do you see mine?
[20:27] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, nope, don't see yours
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> argh..... interesting
[20:28] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, are you registered with Freenode?
[20:28] <Disgruntldtote> nope. that may be my problem
[20:28] <lucypher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/220497
[20:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220497 in network-manager "network-manager doesn't handle ppp connections." [Undecided,New]
[20:28] <lucypher> any news about this bug?
[20:29] <Disgruntldtote> how do I go about registering with freenode?
[20:29] <Pici> !register | Disgruntldtote
[20:29] <ubotu> Disgruntldtote: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[20:31] <Disgruntldtote> Ok working on registering. 1 sec
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote>      /msg nickserv register <p4ssinglane>
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> fuck
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> i fail
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> lmao
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> sorry about the language
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> ok then
[20:33] <bitraiser> that's one way of writing down your password, by sharing it with 439 other IRC users :)
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> hahahaha
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> no kidding
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> well its changed now anyway
[20:33] <paynito> xkbd problems leave me with no gui in 8.04
[20:33] <paynito> http://pastebin.com/f4e4f16c1
[20:33] <xngear> may you please also post your credit card number
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> I figured I would do it that way so that I could ask someone incase I forgot
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> hahaha
[20:34] <doug2266778822_> what do i need to install that lets me change my mouse theme?
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> and SS number?
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> Im not a big IRC user as you can put together
[20:35] <bitraiser> now you know why there are so many idlers in here, we sometimes just happen to find peeps like you, who spill it all out online :)
[20:38] <paynito> dpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config
[20:38] <paynito> what now?
[20:41] <ecubuntu> any one have linksys wrt54gx4 and Hardy?
[20:43] <_Rambaldi_> i am not sure who iwas talking to but i fixed my lcd brightness problem, my last problem with hardy fixed.
[20:43] <_Rambaldi_> i can now adjust from terminal
[20:43] <ecubuntu> any one?
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> seems like a ghost town
[20:44] <ecubuntu> I know
[20:44] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: I know how it feels to get everything working on your laptop(including web cam) :P
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> ah it was you, even wrote a small script to make changing it easy
[20:45] <ecubuntu> hey guys I have router linksys wrt54gx4 but only with this router I can not get access to the internet on my laptop with Hardy
[20:46] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: good job, I would post this as a bug though so that the team can update the brightness display so it will work for everyone
[20:46] <ecubuntu> any one have the same problem?
[20:46] <_Rambaldi_> i still cant get my webcam working but i think its coz its a generic one, and not on the compatibility list
[20:46] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: is it a motioneye?
[20:47] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> it has no name really tomd123
[20:47] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: what laptop are you using?
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> amilo li 1705 (fuji seimens)
[20:48] <dny> Anyone use AWN?
[20:48] <ecubuntu> I was
[20:48] <dny> I can't get applets to work, they show up as white lines  :x
[20:49] <ecubuntu> let me see
[20:49] <savvas> which applets ?
[20:49] <jimcooncat> is hardy available as a mini-iso? I don't see them on the releases page.
[20:49] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: nvm, I don't know how to get that camera working :P, never heard of the laptop either :P
[20:49] <dny> also, where can I download applets?
[20:49] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly
[20:49] <savvas> dny: which applets did you try?
[20:49] <Luckrider> * an
[20:50] <dny> clock
[20:50] <dny> and the terminal one
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> my connection keeps droping,
[20:50] <_Rambaldi_> i think the problem was with the webcam, it cost 3 pounds so am not suprised tomd123
[20:50] <Some_Person> Luckrider: no update needed, it uses the same package base
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> using wifi
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: u on?
[20:51] <Luckrider> ok, thanks Some_Person, this is the first Beta I have used so far, so I wasn't sure
[20:51] <Some_Person> my first too
[20:51] <Luckrider> I like it though
[20:51] <Some_Person> me too
[20:51] <Luckrider> it is very stable
[20:52] <Some_Person> agreed
[20:52] <Luckrider> it is only my first linux beta though, I have used beta programs before, I just asked because this is different
[20:52] <Some_Person> compiz actually works right for the first time
[20:52] <Luckrider> oh
[20:52] <Luckrider> I have had beryl before
[20:52] <Luckrider> fusion isn't that different now though
[20:52] <Luckrider> I love it
[20:52] <Some_Person> beryl has been merged with compiz to form compiz fusion, which is in ubuntu since gutsy
[20:53] <Luckrider> I know, that is why fusion is more like beryl now
[20:53] <Some_Person> i used beryl back on edgy
[20:53] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me
[20:53] <Luckrider> same
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> please
[20:54] <Luckrider> anf fiesty Some-Person
[20:54] <ecubunt1> d4t4min3r: ?
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> my connection keeps droping in and out
[20:54] <Some_Person> i used compiz fusion on feisty
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> im using wifi usb for connection on HH  wusb54gv4
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> got a connection but it keeps going in and out
[20:54] <Luckrider> oh, I used the update in synaptic, so I still had beryl
[20:54] <ecubunt1> what kind of router u have d4t4min3r
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> linksys
[20:54] <ecubunt1> model?
[20:54] <Some_Person> and then i abandoned effects on gutsy, because of bugs
[20:55] <Luckrider> oh, same here
[20:55] <ecubunt1> model? d4t4min3r
[20:56] <paynito> i can't install xkeyboard-config and xkb-data
[20:56] <paynito> i am stuck at a command line
[20:56] <d4t4min3r> 54gs
[20:56] <d4t4min3r>  sudo dhclient wlan0
[20:56] <d4t4min3r> sudo: unable to resolve host Home
[20:56] <jeroen-> can anyone tell me whats the deal with vmware in Hardy? It's now in the kernel, but no vmware-player in the repo's anymore?
[20:56] <jeroen-> I'm confused
[20:57] <ecubunt1> hardy d4t4min3r or ?????
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: just use virtualbox
[20:57] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: is virtualbox also in the kernel
[20:57] <jeroen-> ?
[20:57] <ecubunt1> what kind of security u have on yuor router d4t4min3r
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: yes
[20:57] <jeroen-> ok
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: it works very very well
[20:58] <d4t4min3r> yeah
[20:58] <jeroen-> but why is vmware-player removed from the repo's, but still in the kernel
[20:58] <jeroen-> ?
[20:58] <d4t4min3r> 8.04
[20:58] <jeroen-> where can I find the filosofy behind that
[20:58] <Some_Person> i started using ubuntu at breezy, was my first linux ever
[20:58] <Some_Person> what about you, Luckrider?
[20:58] <ecubunt1> i have gardy an wrt54gx4 and i can no get any connection d4t4min3r i thing soo is s bug
[20:59] <ecubunt1> becasue i have wrt54g on my office and i get connection d4t4min3r
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> right now i cant connect to any site
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> sometimes it comes in but just drops out
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> can even get to 192.168.1.1
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> all security is turned off
[20:59] <Luckrider> oh, some_person, I started with edgy
[21:00] <ecubunt1> try to change the channel d4t4min3r
[21:01] <d4t4min3r> channel?
[21:01] <d4t4min3r> irc channel?
[21:02] <beautifulsnow> Hi..... all upgrade-manager --dist-upgrade did was break everything.. I mean, wireless doenst work, compiz is bye bye, x did not even start 1st time I tried (had to configure it from scratch) ummm.. and I haven't checked anything else because Im scared to find more broken stuff lol.... What should I do?:P Since I wireless doesn't work, Im SOL.
[21:03] <ecubuntu> d4t4 channel on your router
[21:03] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys has any one noticed that the new version of compiz is very sluggish? I am on a dell m1530 with the nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT
[21:04] <Some_Person> vbabiy-laptop: seems ok here, emachines, nvidia geforce 6100
[21:05] <Kl4m> beautifulsnow: automatix user?
[21:05] <pen> anyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?
[21:05] <pen> it's all black
[21:05] <Luckrider> vbabiy-laptop, mine is working much faster than yesterday
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: mine improved from yesterday to but it still seem sluggish on some things
[21:06] <GoodJob> hello
[21:06] <GoodJob> any news on hardy?
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> Like when I switch tabs in terminal with compiz enabled it slow but with out it is really fast
[21:06] <beautifulsnow> "Kl4m: beautifulsnow: automatix user?", No, I did it via gnome's update manager. Followed the ubuntu guide.
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> GoodJob: what kinda of news
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> tomorrow is the release
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> if it has not changed
[21:06] <Luckrider> oh... I have not seen any sluggishness at all, It is moving very fast, and uses less power than when I first tried it
[21:07] <GoodJob> it's 10 p.m. my time
[21:07] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: what setting are you running at
[21:07] <beautifulsnow> >_> it doesn't matter what time zone it is, it's tomorrow for me, tomorrow for you, and tomorrow for your cousin in japan.
[21:07] <pen> anyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?
[21:07] <GoodJob> i don't have a cousin in japan :D
[21:07] <vbabiy-laptop> the best feature of all is that my suspend not works :D
[21:08] <beautifulsnow> ;p was a joke
[21:08] <GoodJob> not that i know of anyhow :)
[21:08] <GoodJob> i know :P
[21:08] <Luckrider> umm.., vbabiy
[21:08] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: what is tilda
[21:08] <bod_> hey guys -- has anyone else had problems with newly added launchers in awn not bein there after a reboot?
[21:08] <Luckrider> I am not fully sure what you mean
[21:08] <AdrianStrays> I'm running Hardy, and the lag is really bad.  On webpages its slow to low and when I scroll everything drags.  Right now as you all post it takes a noticiblely long time for your messages to fully display
[21:08] <GoodJob> tilda is ~
[21:08] <pen> vbabiy-laptop: you don't know? it's a quake like drop-down terminal
[21:08] <beautifulsnow> bod_ all the time :P might wanna take it to #awn
[21:08] <GoodJob> it is written as tilde
[21:08] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: o never used it
[21:09] <bod_> beautifulsnow, will do, cheers ;~)
[21:09] <pen> !tilda | vbabiy-laptop
[21:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tilda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:09] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: are you using the custom setting or the preset settings?
[21:09] <Luckrider> oh
[21:09] <GoodJob> tilda? sigh
[21:09] <GoodJob> it's tilde!
[21:09] <Luckrider> yeah, custom settings
[21:09] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: but I know what you mean
[21:09] <GoodJob> ~
[21:09] <Kl4m> GoodJob: it is tilda.
[21:09] <pen> is it because of compiz?
[21:09] <Kl4m> The program is named tilda.
[21:09] <pen> I'm guessing
[21:09] <GoodJob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde
[21:10] <GoodJob> program?
[21:10] <Luckrider> vbabiy-laptop, I am using the custom settings
[21:10] <Kl4m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_%28software%29
[21:10] <GoodJob> you mean an application?
[21:10] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: same here, well it could be my video card drive. there still is some issues with that
[21:10] <beautifulsnow> Yeah it's a terminal that's embedded in the dekstop background I think, GoodJob
[21:10] <GoodJob> a program is just a part of an applicationž
[21:10] <Luckrider> yeah, what card do you have?
[21:10] <vbabiy-laptop> nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT
[21:10] <GoodJob> so this Tilda of yours is an application
[21:11] <GoodJob> !
[21:11] <pen> GoodJob: it's not a word
[21:11] <Luckrider> I don't know much about those, I have a Radeon FireGL
[21:11] <mneptok> GoodJob: you just crossed that "detail orientation/anal retention" line :)
[21:11] <vbabiy-laptop> also any one know of how to get the java plugin working in firefox2
[21:11] <beautifulsnow> :-)
[21:11] <GoodJob> whoa this Tilda is kinda cool
[21:11] <pen> ok, I will seek solution else where :)
[21:11] <beautifulsnow> Paying 50 bucks to whoever wants to come over and fix my hardy install without having to lose all my ubuntu settings :p
[21:11] <pen> GoodJob: yea
[21:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone provide me a working link that allows me to download cairo-dock it seems google has all these expired links and posts "would prefer .deb if possibel"?
[21:12] <GoodJob> is Ubuntu going to include that shit?
[21:12] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: would you pay $250?
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: it's in the repository I think
[21:12] <GoodJob> nice
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: sudo apt-get install tilda
[21:12] <GoodJob> it's more user-friendly than Terminal
[21:12] <beautifulsnow> mneptok:  I would if I could afford it xD
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: it's better and faster
[21:12] <paynito> xkeyboard-config: Depends: xkb-data(>=1.1~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6) but it is not installable
[21:12] <paynito> anyone?
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: but now I'm stuck in transparancy
[21:12] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: too bad. a support contract is $250.
[21:13] <GoodJob> just a click of a button and voila, i can't put some shit in my linux console
[21:13] <vbabiy-laptop> Yeah terminal has some issues, if you tail -f a very active log it eats up CPU like crazy
[21:13] <mneptok> !language > GoodJob
[21:13] <beautifulsnow> "support contract?" they actually offer it in ubuntu? can you link me to the site? sounds great
[21:13] <GoodJob> -f hey?
[21:13] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: http://shop.canonical.com
[21:13] <pen> ?
[21:13] <pen> -f?
[21:13] <beautifulsnow> Oh that's neat thanks. *goes and pays for training instead*
[21:13] <keanu> question - what'll happen to firefox tomorrow?  with Hardy ship with beta 5?
[21:14] <GoodJob> yes
[21:14] <Gnine> !botsnack
[21:14] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:14]  * mneptok hopes he can eat next month :P
[21:14] <GoodJob> ther RC has beta 5 so...
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> keanu: yes
[21:14] <Luckrider> beatifulsnow, try /me and type a comment
[21:14] <Kl4m> tail -f : follow and display the output of a file as it grows
[21:14] <keanu> nosrednaekim, ok, thanks
[21:14] <GoodJob> the Ubuntu RC has FF beta 5 so...
[21:14] <Luckrider> that is better than stars
[21:14] <beautifulsnow> mneptok:  do they come to your home and fix it?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> mneptok: selling your serveices?eh :)
[21:14] <beautifulsnow> Luckrider:   ... why? I know what /me does but ... what , why?
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[21:14] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: sure, i can do that. it's $10,000 for the first hour, $100 each additional. :)
[21:14] <GoodJob> just because i used the word shit?
[21:15] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys what benefit does glib have in the Compiz configuration. There is a plugin for it. Not sure what it doesn
[21:15] <GoodJob> well, FUCK this then :D
[21:15] <Luckrider> oh, ok beatifulsnow
[21:15] <Some_Person> !swearing | GoodJob
[21:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swearing - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:15] <Kl4m> This guy is trolling since he's in
[21:15] <Kl4m> On purpose or not
[21:15] <Luckrider> good job mneptok
[21:15] <beautifulsnow> >_> ip ban :P
[21:16] <Luckrider> he can probly get around it
[21:16] <Luckrider> I have done that on another server accidentally
[21:16] <Luckrider> got to go
[21:16] <Gnine> dude didnt see it coming
[21:16] <ecubuntu> hey guys someone have linksys router WRT54GXXX?
[21:16] <Some_Person> i wish hardy used this theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos
[21:16] <beautifulsnow> grrr mneptok its £ 147.8 per YEAR! :P not per visit :P but that's neat anyway... glad to see it available
[21:17] <beautifulsnow> Heh I don't Some_Person
[21:17] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: 1 year or 10 cases, whichever comes first.
[21:17] <ecubuntu> ?
[21:18] <paynito> I have a Buffer I/O error on device hdc
[21:18] <paynito> when running
[21:18] <paynito> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f -y
[21:18] <paynito> is there a way to tell it to d/l everything and take the cd out?
[21:18] <Some_Person> ugh, does ff keep freezing up with anyone else?
[21:18] <beautifulsnow> Some_Person:  Lots of people came here asking for FF support after the update. I didn't have a problem w/ it so I'll zip it :x
[21:19] <paynito> failed to fetch cdrom: /patch/patch_2.5.9-4_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
[21:19] <Gnine> !upgrade
[21:19] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:19] <Some_Person> i used ff3 on gutsy and it never froze, in fact it didnt freeze on hardy until today
[21:19] <beautifulsnow> Is there a way I can make my wireless work after dist upgrade...? it's busted so I can't install anything to fix it until I.....  get wireless working :)
[21:19] <Kl4m> paynito: you can use synaptic to remove the cdrom source or remove the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:20] <paynito> thank you
[21:20] <paynito> with nano?
[21:20] <pen> anyone know what prelinking is in ubuntu?
[21:20] <sukke> i have had problems only with ff3 beta 5.
[21:20] <Kl4m> pen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink is an article about prelink
[21:20] <ecubuntu> beatifulsnow what kind of router u have?
[21:21] <sukke> not with beta 4 I am using in gutsy.
[21:21] <beautifulsnow> ecubuntu: it doesn't matter, wireless worked fine with gutsy, its just heron broke the entire install
[21:22] <Gnine> !wireless | beautifulsnow
[21:22] <ubotu> beautifulsnow: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:22] <doug2266778822_> is there a convert x to dvd for heron?
[21:22] <Alan> Is ndiswrapper supposed to be in the default Hardy install?
[21:23] <beautifulsnow> Gnine:  the thing is, how do I know what changed since the dist-upgrade? I didn't do it from  a iso, all I did was the update manager dist upgrade
[21:23] <Alan> because this is a real pain when you have to guess and pick a load of packages from the net to try and get it working...
[21:23] <Kl4m> doug2266778822_, what is "x" ?
[21:23] <beautifulsnow> ^ like alan said.
[21:23] <ecubuntu> I know beautifulsnow wifi work great in gutsy but in hardy no
[21:23] <paynito> K14m thanks a lot man, this might be something
[21:23] <paynito> no, i'm still getting an error on xkb-data~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6_all.deb
[21:24] <doug2266778822_> Kl4m: like xvid avi and other formats.
[21:25] <Kl4m> paynito: did you apt-get update recently? maybe a package depends on another one which has been updated
[21:26] <ubuntu-user100> hello...! i had everything working alright in hardy. after performing update, my screen resolution dropped to 800 x 600. am using nvidia quadro NVS 140M. ran nvidia-xconfig but did not help. any ideas?
[21:26] <_Rambaldi_> can i change what some keys on my keyboard does? ie make my home buttom be backspace as well. i have a small backspace next to home and i keep hitting that instead
[21:26] <\phil\> hello! goodbye!
[21:26] <beautifulsnow> xD this is amazing... ugh. How did the update-manager -d break my system if it didn't install? It downloaded 4 hours worth of packages, BUT when it went to step 3 or whatever, the one where it actually INSTALLs, it aborted.
[21:28] <Gnine> ubuntu-user100: try booting up in recovery mode and select 'fix xserver' option
[21:28] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: will do
[21:28] <beautifulsnow> _Rambaldi_ yes you can, that question however sounds more fit to be  in #ubuntu than #ubuntu+1. just go to.... (im not on ubuntu, don't know from memory) applications>system>preferences>keyboard shortcus
[21:28] <paynito> apt-get update didn't fix it
[21:28] <paynito> dpg:error processing /var/cache. . ./xkb-data_1.1~cvs.20080104.1-ubuntu6_all.deb trying to overwrite /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir, which is also in package xkeyboard-config
[21:29] <Gnine> also, make sure your menu.lst is up-to-date
[21:29] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:29] <_Rambaldi_> i asked it there as well beautifulsnow
[21:29] <Baby_Shambl3s> *file
[21:29] <beautifulsnow> ubuntu-user100: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    as root should work too
[21:29] <Gnine> its easier my way
[21:29] <beautifulsnow> oh ok :D I gotta remember that because I know ill need it soon enough lol
[21:30] <tomd123> what does it mean for a bug to be triaged?
[21:30] <beautifulsnow> What else is in recovery mode btw.... *wink*
[21:31] <blackvd> Well so far I've been able to fix all my bugs after upgrading except the one bug I was hoping to be fixed isn't. That's the 30 second login time with gnome. Any clues in here?
[21:32] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:33] <tomd123> blackvd, check if you have any wierd services,
[21:33] <Gary_inNYC> When Hardy is officially available, will the apt repos get overwhelmed?  I'm thinking it may be better off for me to wait out the initial wave of people updating
[21:33] <jimcooncat> hi, where can i find a mini-iso?
[21:33] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: you are 100% right about virtual box; wow what a great app :-)
[21:33] <Alan> VirtualBox++
[21:34] <blackvd> nothing unusual to me I feel like it must be compiz causing it don't know though
[21:34] <_Rambaldi_> beautifulsnow, unfortunately there is a list of actions that can have shortcuts, invidual keys are not on the list
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: thats only the -ose too
[21:34] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: the non-ose is even better
[21:34] <jeroen-> one problem though, it doesnt install the kernel-module when istalling virtualbox-ose
[21:34] <Gary_inNYC> virtualbox is a nice app, but i never was able to get my zen vision m player to successfully share a usb bus without issues
[21:34] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: well we are in for the open source :-)
[21:35] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks
[21:35] <dystopianray> virtualbox is awesome
[21:35] <Luckrider> Baby_Shambl3s, try SimDock, it is availible in add/remove, and it is easy to use
[21:35] <jeroen-> and if you install the kernel modele of virtualbox, you have to manually add your self tho the virtualbox group
[21:36] <tomaasj> so now what  ?
[21:36] <beautifulsnow> _Rambaldi_:  I wonder if this would help... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217091   and   http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html
[21:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, is this the channel for hardy or for intrepid :)
[21:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[21:37] <beautifulsnow> This is for hardy
[21:37] <tomaasj> curious, upgrading worht it ?
[21:38] <Baby_Shambl3s> Luckrider: yeha seen that but not as good its working for me but since its not installed through compile its has an extra folder which i doubt should be there, what i want to know is there any way to stop cairo-dock to stop looking for that or do i have to unninstall and compile it on my system?
[21:38] <beautifulsnow> No, not yet tomaasj
[21:38] <balgarath> might as well wait till final release at this point :)
[21:38] <_Rambaldi_> it  just might be it. thanks beautifulsnow
[21:38] <tomaasj> why not ?
[21:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> beautifulsnow: will no longer be in a couple of hours :)
[21:38] <beautifulsnow> tomaasj:  don't wait until tomorrow, wait until next month :P too many bugs :p
[21:38] <tomaasj> ok !
[21:39] <Luckrider> I am not sure Baby_shambl3s, I have never used Cairo dock as it did not install in my last install of ubuntu
[21:39] <beautifulsnow> True Le-Chuck_ITA but in that case #ubuntu itself will become support channel for hardy too ;p
[21:39] <jeroen-> well a lot lesser bugs than when gutsy arrived
[21:39] <dystopianray> kubuntu 8.04 seems to have much less bugs than 7.10
[21:39] <balgarath> I have less problems with gutsy->hardy beta than I did with feisty->gutsy
[21:39] <tomaasj> dstill problem with wireless for dell inspiron laptop users ?  Like mine !
[21:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all have a nice release
[21:40] <x1250> tomaasj: yeah, go for it.
[21:40] <jeroen-> another question: how can I see how many resoursed kernel modules are using; in other words does the virtualbox-module as any impact on performance (while not using)?
[21:40] <balgarath> tomaasj, which model? I have the 1501, I just had to do a 1-liner to fix it
[21:40] <paynito> xkeyboard depends on xkb-data depends on xkeyboard
[21:40] <paynito> i can't install anything
[21:40] <paynito> dpkg --unpack xkb-data
[21:40] <paynito> fails trying to write /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir
[21:40] <tomaasj> model: 6400
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, ubuntu1501.com has the fix for the wireless
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, should work on most dell wireless
[21:41] <tomaasj> thanks for info.  Dreading to upgrade, though
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, other than that, I had no problems
[21:42] <tomaasj> I'll try soon.
[21:44] <tomaasj> off topic: trying to use gadu-gadu.  Cannot connect.  Why ?
[21:44] <beautifulsnow> Does it give an error message?
[21:44] <tomaasj> no.  Simply in red no connection established...
[21:45] <joliver> I'm getting GPG errors with apt-get update.  any ideas?
[21:45] <Asa_A> you too?
[21:45] <joliver> Invalid signatures
[21:45] <Asa_A> I came here to ask the same thing, I can't authentcat packages from main
[21:45] <joliver> yeah, same apt line for me too
[21:46] <joliver> I have two machines, one is good, one is broken.  odd
[21:46] <slytherin> joliver: Asa_A: Is it a problem with specific mirror?
[21:46] <joliver> yes, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[21:47] <paynito> I think this is my bug
[21:47] <paynito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/213566
[21:47] <paynito> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:47] <Asa_A> slytherin: idk, I was just about to run updates and it says it can't verify. How should I test?
[21:47] <paynito> x-keyboard-config: Depends:xkb-data>=1.1~cvs.2008   but it is not installable
[21:47] <dystopianray> Xorg segfaulted when I tried to play a dvd
[21:47] <dystopianray> although playing the dvd worked after i logged in again
[21:47] <joliver> slytherin: any idea?
[21:47] <melter> is there a way to do both autoremove and purge?
[21:47] <unstable> So I just changed everything in my sources.list from "gutsy" to "hardy" and did an apt-get update. What is the best way to upgrade now? "apt-get dist-upgrade" or use update-manager.. or what?
[21:48] <Baby_Shambl3s> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file?
[21:48] <unstable> Baby_Shambl3s: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[21:48] <slytherin> joliver: yes, don't use that mirror, remove the 'us.' part of it. Asa_A, do the same
[21:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released]
[21:48] <unstable> melter: apt-get remove --purge package?
[21:49] <joliver> slytherin: trying now
[21:49] <unstable> slytherin: yea, how can I switch my mirror to something faster, I'm in New York
[21:49] <Kl4m> !bug 213566
[21:49] <Baby_Shambl3s> unstable: thanx
[21:49] <Kl4m> ok, doesn't work.
[21:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[21:50] <Kl4m> oh it does!
[21:50] <gribouille> hi
[21:50] <slytherin> unstable: I don't have idea of all the mirrors. There is a page on launchpad which lists all the mirrors and their status. But I don't have the link currently.
[21:51] <melter> unstable: thanks, "apt-get autoremove --purge" looks like the right syntax
[21:51] <Asa_A> slytherin: is that the same as switching to "main server" under repository settings in synaptic?
[21:52] <Asa_A> slytherin: thanks, I switched it to "main server" and now I'm only getting the warnings for packages from people's PPAs (I know they aren't signed)
[21:52] <slytherin> Asa_A: Can't say, I never managed mirrors from synaptic
[21:52] <Alan> how am i supposed to configure my screen resolutions with an nvidia graphics card?
[21:53] <joliver> slytherin: thanks man, that worked
[21:54] <tomd123> does the alternate or server cd have the option to install the minimal environment?
[21:54] <slytherin> tomd123: What do you mean by minimal?
[21:55] <tomd123> slytherin: I mean install only the cli
[21:55] <gribouille> when I type /etc/init.d/networking start, it doesn't work. I have to type dhclient
[21:55] <ssam> tomd123, the server one has
[21:55] <joliver> slytherin: I appreciate your help
[21:55] <ssam> tomd123, not sure about the alternate
[21:56] <jc_denton> there is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)
[21:56] <slytherin> tomd123: alternate one has, not sure of server cd
[21:56] <laszlok> Alan: do all the resolutions not show up in Sytem->Preferences->Screen Resolution ?
[21:56] <tomd123> is there a page where it mentions the differences between the cd versions, alternate, server, desktop?
[21:57] <tomd123> minimal
[21:57] <tomd123> I couldn't find any
[21:58] <slytherin> tomd123: Desktop is Live CD + Graphical installer. Alternate is text installer, no live CD, but it installed same packages as Desktop CD. Server installs server specific packages such as lamp stack.
[21:58] <Alan> laszlok, no, i get 480x320 and 640x480 :(
[21:58] <ssam> tomd123, anything specific you need to know
[21:58] <laszlok> Alan: do you have the nvidia restricted driver installed?
[21:58] <tomd123> slytherin: so I guess I will go with the mini.iso, I just want to install the cli and that's it
[21:58] <jorgp> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy to hardy today?
[21:58] <Alan> laszlok, yes
[21:58] <jorgp> from gutsy to hardy
[21:59] <slytherin> tomd123: mini.iso? never heard about it, where did you get it?
[21:59] <Gnine> !install
[21:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:59] <slytherin> jorgp: what do you think might not be safe?
[21:59] <beautifulsnow> !automate
[21:59] <tomd123> ﻿(03:56:11 PM) jc_denton: there is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)
[21:59] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[22:00] <laszlok> Alan: did you upgrade to hardy and maybe there is an old xorg.conf still on your machine?
[22:00] <jorgp> slytherin, well, since the release it not tell tomorrow, I was not sure if I should wait or can go ahead and change my sources.list
[22:00] <Alan> laszlok, nope, new install
[22:01] <Alan> laszlok, should i be using the nvidia settings thing to set this up? at the moment, i haven't touched the graphics config in any way since install
[22:01] <Alan> apart from installing the restricted driver
[22:01] <slytherin> ﻿Alan: go to System->Preferences->Main Menu, You should find a tool 'Screens and Graphics' enable it, then launch it from menu, it should help you to generate an xorg.conf file suitable to your hardware.
[22:01] <beautifulsnow> is there a way to... install wireless drivers from my gutsy cd... since those worked fine in gutsy?
[22:01] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: which card?
[22:02] <Alan> slytherin, i tried that on the beta and it never did anything, but i'll give it another go...
[22:02] <slytherin> jorgp: I don't think there will be many changes since now till release.
[22:02] <beautifulsnow> Ummm... don't know off the top of my head, but I know that it worked pronto! as soon as I installed gutsy. (goes see what card it is)
[22:02] <laszlok> Alan: i had the same issue, but as soon as I installed the restricted driver and restarted, the dialog let me put it up to 1400x1050
[22:03] <slytherin> Alan: it does save new xorg.conf and then you will have to restart X (Ctrl +Alt +Backspace). Please note that it will also forcefully log you out
[22:03] <beautifulsnow> slytherin: intel pro 3945abg
[22:03] <Alan> yay, that broke it...
[22:04] <beautifulsnow> Can I, slytherin? I always connect online through wirelss, never cable since I don't have a eth cable. so the gutsy cd  has got to have the drivers on them
[22:04] <Cygoku> ubuntu+1 ?
[22:05] <jbroome> yes
[22:05] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: don't think gutsy drivers wil work. you are the second person telling me that 3945 is broken. See if there is any bug for it.
[22:07] <Alan> yay, finally worked :D
[22:07] <beautifulsnow> Thanks, Ill look online slytherin (found a ubuntuforums thread already, nice!) mmm.. what I don't understand is... hardy didn't really install, me thinks .. I mean.. I did  ... upgrade-manager -d    and it downloaded everything... then as soon as it was going to  installing, it crashed emerald, firefox, and a bunch of others, then it crashed the upgrade manager itself.... so... how did it install ? O.o
[22:08] <laszlok> Alan: what did you do to fix it?
[22:08] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then ﻿'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. I am assuming you are using ubuntu and not kubuntu or xubuntu
[22:09] <Alan> laszlok, erm, well, xorg died and the configuration thing came up, and i just had to mess with it for a while till it worked correctly
[22:10] <Alan> laszlok, annoying nvidia bug of VGA monitors ALWAYS coming before DVI monitors makes life a little difficult
[22:10] <Alan> laszlok, as in, no matter which i say is the default monitor, it always uses the VGA one
[22:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> it works it works... it si alive muahahahahaha :D took freaking long with my newbness but cairo works and is transparent without compiz/beryl hahahaha
[22:11] <laszlok> Alan: haha, well if it works, then good job :)
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: metacity?
[22:13] <_Rambaldi_> is there a command to output text to screen not just terminal
[22:13] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: oh that yeah ive got xcompmgr installed that did :D no long configuration just out of the box
[22:14] <ubuntu-user100> beautiful...: remember me, you suggested dpkg-reconfigure... and gnine suggested - fix xserver?
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: ah ok... so you are running on Xrender?
[22:14] <ubuntu-user100> beauti...: dpkg did not work. fix xserver worked.
[22:14] <Alan> oooh, does metacity's compositing actually work?
[22:14] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: o_0 maybe dont crash my happy time after all it took me to get this and find the packages but yeah im sure i am "i think"....
[22:15] <ubuntu-user100> beautiful...: how ever when i try to enable visual effects it says - desktop effects could not be enabled
[22:15] <slytherin> Alan: yes it does and seems to be faster to me. But it may not work for all.
[22:15] <Alan> i hope it does work
[22:15] <ubuntu-user100> beauti...: earlier compiz was working fine. fyi, i have nvidia quadro NVS 140M
[22:15] <Alan> because to be completely fair, all 3d-desktop wms suck
[22:16] <slytherin> Alan: ok, that is fair enough. :-D
[22:16] <ad> where is the IRC Release Party !!!????
[22:17] <Gnine> ubuntu-user100: check system>administration>system monitor, you should be using kernel 2.6.24-16 ... if not then you need to update your grub's menu.lst
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> #ubuntu-release-party
[22:17] <beautifulsnow> making cookies, just saw your message: " slytherin: beautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then ﻿'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. " ....thing is, hardy doesn't like  my wireless card when it worked before, so I can't :P
[22:17] <fation_linuX> ad : #ubuntu-release-party
[22:17] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: am using 2.6.24-16-generic
[22:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: I should probably do a tut for this as online info is all outdated the links are all bronken and most are using the old berilous domain which took the longest to find :/
[22:19] <Gnine> now check system>administration>hardware drivers and enable whatever nvidia driver is in there
[22:19] <b13> when dose it come out??
[22:19] <beautifulsnow> Tomorrow!
[22:19] <slytherin> b13: when it is ready. :-P
[22:19] <b13> today is Tomorrow!
[22:20] <venik> How do I upgrade from the network?
[22:20] <beautifulsnow> ... what?
[22:20] <venik> Adept does not offer that option
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: please do....
[22:20] <b13> hmm where do you live?
[22:20] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i don't see any drivers there. i did install restricted thingy earlier.
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> not that I useGNOME ;)
[22:20] <beautifulsnow> regardless of where you are, it's tomorrow.
[22:20] <ltracy_> Hi.  Has anyone else had problems with wireless after upgrading to Hardy?  My wireless adapter is still present, but I can no longer get it to associate with access points I didn't have a problem with before.  My card is a Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx
[22:20] <korte1975> suse rulez!
[22:21] <beautifulsnow> Yeah ltracy_ ...  mine doenst work anymore either :(
[22:21] <ltracy_> oh wait.. that is my wired :)
[22:21] <slytherin> korte1975: is that a breaking news?
[22:21] <b13> april 24 0:21
[22:21] <beautifulsnow> Im gonna make cookies so I feel better.. :(
[22:21] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekimlready thinking about it and it works on hardy with one glitch "probably not a glitch just setting issues" it runs on top which it shouldnt, going through the settings now
[22:21] <_derspankster> I have a strange FF3 problem. FF3 fails to resolve www.dslreports.com.  The site is reachable on other machines on my network.
[22:21] <b13> i can't wait any longer
[22:21] <korte1975> ubuntu sucks
[22:21] <slytherin> b13: upgrade now.
[22:21] <ltracy_> beautifulsnow: What kind of card do you have?
[22:21] <Gnine> maybe the system needs a reboot, ubuntu-user100 , so the kernel can load the proprietary driver in 'hardware drivers'
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> b13. go to  ubuntu.com it says ONE DAY TO GO. in other words. its tomorrow. tomorrow for you, tomorrow for me, and tomorrow for that guy over there picking his nose lol
[22:22] <ltracy_> Mine is Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG
[22:22] <slytherin> _derspankster: have you tried with any other browser?
[22:22] <Gnine> otherwise thats all i could tell about it
[22:22] <histo> Lots of updates hopefully it fixes a few issues i'm having.  .mov and .mpg lock the system.  And its horribly slow compared to gutsy
[22:22] <b13> not on my computer
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> ltracy_: its wireless intel pro 3945
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> same as yours
[22:22] <b13> it says comming soon
[22:22] <ltracy_> grr
[22:22] <b13> soon!
[22:22] <ltracy_> beautifulsnow: Maybe it'll be fixed tomorrow ;)
[22:23] <korte1975> try opensuse
[22:23] <slytherin> histo: never seen that. what are you using to play them?
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> b13 there's a BROWN picture next to the "coming soon" message.
[22:23] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: will try rebooting.
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> Read what's on it b13
[22:23] <b13> i will do a screen shot for you
[22:23] <_derspankster> slytherin: yes, FF2 on this machine running 8.04 cannot resolve it either, nor can Opera
[22:23] <b13> brb
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> I thought I was blind >_>
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> Please do b133
[22:24] <histo> Whatever default movie player is totem
[22:24] <slytherin> _derspankster: then I don't think it is Firefox problem
[22:24] <histo> There are tons of problems with my 915 card that still need to be worked out.
[22:24] <beautifulsnow> how the heck am I going to install hardy when hardy itself broke my wireless >_>
[22:24] <Zambezi> korte1975: Anything else intelligent on your mind?
[22:24] <b13> no, today is the day
[22:24] <_derspankster> slytherin: perhaps not but no other sites seem affected
[22:24] <histo> beautifulsnow: i noticed a few updates ago that the settings for my wireless connection were blown out.  Basically it lost the wep key
[22:25] <slytherin> histo: which driver are you using? You can check that from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:25] <Zambezi> Oh. Did he part or did he get kicked? kortel1975.
[22:25] <beautifulsnow> lost your wep key? that's easy to get back isn't it? just go to your router config page
[22:25] <b13> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png
[22:25] <b13> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png
[22:25] <histo> slytherin: sure one sec
[22:25] <b13> see
[22:25] <beautifulsnow> might need to clear your cache ;)
[22:26] <b13> you clear your cache
[22:26] <beautifulsnow> I haven't logged on windows for almost a week, and I *just* did, and that image popped out ;p
[22:26] <histo> slytherin: there is no driver specified in the new xorg.  just says Configured Video Device
[22:26] <beautifulsnow> The 1 day to go one
[22:27] <b13> but when today?
[22:27] <slytherin> histo: Did you upgrade from gutsy or is it new install?
[22:27] <beautifulsnow> Like  an hour ago? the thing is I just went to the website :P
[22:27] <histo> slytherin: fresh install
[22:27] <slytherin> histo: any sample movie?
[22:27] <histo> slytherin: Xorg.conf is completely different.
[22:28] <b13> when it is released? what hour?
[22:28] <b13> what minute?
[22:28] <beautifulsnow> its not known yet >.>
[22:28] <slytherin> histo: can you paste xorg.conf in pastebin.
[22:28] <beautifulsnow> its still in development
[22:28] <Sporting> Me wants it... My precious!!! Ó foda-se...
[22:28] <beautifulsnow> Ewww sporting sucks
[22:28] <slytherin> b13: Why don't you upgrade now. What difference is it going to make?
[22:28] <Prez00> for people who upgraded from gutsy to hardy, any special caveats?
[22:28] <b13> ok i gonna kill myself
[22:28] <Sporting> :D
[22:28] <Gnine> you wont find much in hardy's xorg.conf
[22:28] <b13> can't wait
[22:29] <slytherin> Prez00: intel 3945 wireless seems to be problematic
[22:29] <beautifulsnow> well nothings stopping you from upgrading. just have to run update-manager  -d
[22:29] <Prez00> slytherin: sweet, the one i got, haha!
[22:29] <Sporting> yes it does
[22:29] <histo> slytherin: yeah one sec
[22:29] <Prez00> slytherin: i am assuming it now uses iwl3945 driver isntead of ipw3945
[22:30] <beautifulsnow> just doesn't work at all :(
[22:30] <slytherin> Prez00: yes it does AFAIK
[22:30] <Prez00> slytherin: i have been testing iwl3945 for at least a couple of months, so I guess I can recompile driver and get it to work..
[22:30] <beautifulsnow> when you do please send it to me and ill send you chocolate chip cookies lol
[22:32] <Prez00> if you need to upgrade iwl3945 you need: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download for kernels above 2.6.24
[22:32] <histo> slytherin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64141/
[22:34] <BHSPitMonkey> What happened to the Secure WebDav option in "Connect to Server"?
[22:34] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: it worked finally :-D
[22:36] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i did this - reinstalled restricted package(appropriate version). then the nvidia driver appeared in hardware drivers list. enabled the driver, rebooted, and then enabled visual effects. phew.
[22:36] <jac0b> I am trying to adjust my mouse speed but nothing is working
[22:36] <Gnine> thats all there is to it
[22:36] <ltracy_> Prez00: what is that... if I go get a better iwl3945 by wireless will work again?
[22:36] <ltracy_> *my
[22:37] <slytherin> histo: Ok. Have you restarted the machine since the upgrade?
[22:37] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i think when i updated the kernel got updated(or some thing like that), and then the restricted package was not properly linked to the kernel. what do you think?
[22:37] <Gnine> yup
[22:38] <ubuntu-user100> gnine, beautful... : thanks
[22:39] <RichW> Hello, My Router sees my laptop hostname as RICHIE-LAPTOP but i cannot ping the host name under the terminal.. although the IP adress works... but thats not the point!
[22:39] <RichW> Can anyone help me?
[22:39] <dvs> all of my music, pics etc... are on my windows partition.  how do i have it automatically mount when i login?
[22:39] <histo> slytherin: i'm installing new updates now to bring it to current.
[22:39] <histo> slytherin: then i'll restart if you want.
[22:40] <RichW> dvs: Does it have to automatically mount... would "Mount when you access it" be ok?
[22:40] <slytherin> histo: what I meant to say, I am not sure if currently you are using the new default driver for intel cards. So see if you still have problem after restart.
[22:41] <dvs> RichW: that's what it does now
[22:41] <histo> slytherin: did they recently update the driver?
[22:41] <histo> slytherin: I see they updated the kernel
[22:41] <RichW> dvs: Assuming you want a friendly GUI way, Im not aware of any.. although someone else may.. try some googling too.
[22:42] <RichW> dvs: If you dont mind being techincal.. you can modify /etc/fstab but be careful!
[22:43] <slytherin> histo: When did you actually upgrade to hardy?
[22:43] <histo> slytherin: it was a fresh install I believe right before it went beta
[22:44] <slytherin> histo: I think there has been driver update after that, but I will have to check.
[22:44] <histo> slytherin: Can't remember i've been so busy at work.  I always test on this laptop.  And like I say i've noticed a HUGE speed difference and video problems.  Especially FF3 scrolling.
[22:44] <histo> slytherin: still installing updates
[22:45] <dvs> i don't even know what fstab is, i prolly shouldn't edit it
[22:45] <Gnine> !fstab
[22:45] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[22:47] <tretle> what timezone is the hardy countdown referring to?
[22:47] <AnswerGuy> dvs: it's a text file stored in /etc/ which describes the device, mount point, filesystem type, and mount options of each filesystem -- and it a couple other fields which are described in chapter 5 of the system man (manual) pages
[22:48] <AnswerGuy> And, if you don't understand it, then editing it could be rather inconvenient; you could end up unable to reboot the system --- which would be booting from your rescue disc and fixing it.
[22:48] <dvs> it doesn't look real hard,  i just have to get the appropriate names for the variables...
[22:49] <AnswerGuy> tretle: I was wondering something like that, too.  At what time will the official ISO images be released?  Will the tell us if today's rc is identical to the release?
[22:49] <dvs> http://moourl.com/gc8iv is what i was looking at
[22:50] <AnswerGuy> dvs: it isn't difficult at all, for UNIX/Linux sysadmins; but stupid little assumptions can bite you.
[22:50] <axion>  +
[22:51] <dvs> i think i'll let it go til i get betterz at teh compewterz
[22:51] <b13> ok i killed myself... now waiting again...
[22:52] <slytherin> Where is the countdown? It should be easy to tell which timezone it refers to
[22:52] <AnswerGuy> dvs: feel free to post your intended fstab to one of those paste servers and ask us to look it over
[22:52] <b13> dunno
[22:53] <slytherin> tretle: where is the countdown?
[22:53] <beautifulsnow> OH HAI, what time of what timezone and what date in that timezone will hardy be released? I don't understand what "tomorrow" means.
[22:53] <SammIndustrie> beautiful snow - you beat me to the question :p
[22:53] <beautifulsnow> People keep asking maybe every 5 minutes :p
[22:53] <AnswerGuy> Generally it's reasonably safe if you make a copy, edit your fstab with a proper text editor (vi, nano, nedit) ... NOT a word processor, and if you use that new entry to perform a test mount (using the command shell)
[22:53] <mib_pc817c> im having issues with my wifi droping in and out
[22:53] <slytherin> can anyone point me to countdown?
[22:53] <AnswerGuy> So, if I create a new entry like:
[22:53] <crimsun> /topic Sorry, you're all late.  Ubuntu 8.04 released two weeks ago.
[22:53] <mib_pc817c> wusb54gv4 and the router is 54gs
[22:53] <b13> tomorrow means today. war means peace
[22:54] <SammIndustrie> pffft
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> the connection keeps falling out
[22:54] <AnswerGuy>   /dev/sdc1       /mnt/thumb       ext3      noatime      0 0
[22:54] <AnswerGuy> ... and I then issue the command: sudo mount /mnt/thumb
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> it connects but the connection is very week and it drops out
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> can anyone help me
[22:54] <BHSPitMonkey> WebDAV support seems broken in Hardy, via Nautilus
[22:54] <beautifulsnow> isn't hardys new kernel supposed to access drives in realtime..?
[22:55] <AnswerGuy> If that works then I can be reasonably sure that the entry is correct; and if I didn't mess with any lines in the file than I should be fine.
[22:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[22:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[22:55] <crimsun> beautifulsnow: as opposed to...?
[22:55]  * AnswerGuy teaches sysadmin classes, BTW
[22:55] <beautifulsnow> mib_pc817c:  if no one responds its most likely because they don't know, try another time or stay tuned for an answer. sorry :(
[22:55] <Alan> how do i know if something is using pulseaudio?
[22:56] <DanaG> My bug there: lovely bug.
[22:56] <DanaG> Vunderful -- it also causes stuttery audio.
[22:56] <slytherin> Alan: it depends on what that 'something' is
[22:56] <SammIndustrie> anybody finetuned VIA graphics to allow desktop effects?
[22:56] <RAOF> SammIndustrie: I'm pretty sure the drivers just don't support enough features to make that work.
[22:57] <AnswerGuy> beautifulsnow: your statement doesn't really work:  kernels don't "access drives" (in real-time or otherwise).
[22:57] <Alan> slytherin, sorry, i mean "anything"
[22:57] <AnswerGuy> kernels *provide* the drivers through which drives are accessed.  And they read the partition tables from them to perform the mapping of partitions to devices
[22:58] <Alan> I'm running MPD without an explicitly configured sound output
[22:58] <SammIndustrie> RAOF - in gutsy i managed to do it, but i can't remember when. this graphics card supported vista glass, so it shouldn't be a problem!
[22:58] <DanaG> I want that damn scheduler FIXED!
[22:58] <DanaG> Argh.
[22:58] <Alan> I basically want to see if i'm having any of the fabled sound issues....
[22:58] <DanaG> Or at least ADDRESSED in some way.
[22:58] <AnswerGuy> When you hotplug devices (drives or other stuff like mice) then there are kernel drivers which spawn off processes to run the hotplug utilities --- and those then call back through the kernel (via system calls)
[22:58] <slytherin> Alan: MPD doesn't seem to be using pulseaudio
[22:59] <Alan> slytherin, fair enough, would explain why i don't get stuttery audio then :P
[22:59] <AnswerGuy> ... which accesses drives (possibly triggering the loading of kernel modules and other stuff)
[22:59] <Alan> slytherin, how about xine-ui?
[22:59] <slytherin> DanaG: shouting here is not gonna help, file a bug
[22:59] <DanaG> It IS a bug!
[22:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[22:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[23:00] <kingv> so 804 comes out tonight at midnight us central time??
[23:00] <slytherin> Alan: not sure, have not used xine in long time. All the gstreamer apps should be using pulseaudio by default.
[23:00] <AnswerGuy> But that's been true since long before hardy.  Hardy probably has refined the scripts and configuration for a wider variety of USB, firewire, camera, fibre channel and other hot-pluggable devices.
[23:00] <pat_> Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/
[23:00] <beautifulsnow> crimsun: read online (forgot where, im not on my computer ATM) that the new kernel accesses the harddrive on demand, instead of "ok I want this song" *writes I want this song*...*realizes the computer is asking for the song* *gets song* but I don't kniow how to explain, im not a computer person :) Just read it online on a interview *shrug* O.o
[23:00] <jac0b> why doesn´t hary have xmms
[23:00] <slytherin> DanaG: ask on #ubuntu-devel
[23:00] <jac0b> hardy*
[23:00] <Alan> slytherin, well, then, looks like my choice of apps will shield me from the problem
[23:00] <Alan> yay!
[23:01] <slytherin> jac0b: it is there in universe repository
[23:01] <crimsun> DanaG: be careful.  That bug isn't really a bug.
[23:01] <slytherin> jac0b: opps, it doesn't seem to be there
[23:01] <Rynor> why do people still use xmms.. it's so old
[23:01] <Rynor> try audacious instead
[23:01] <crimsun> DanaG: enabling that option just happens to /mask/ the real bug
[23:01] <jac0b> or audaicious
[23:02] <Prez00> ltracy_: sorry, was't looking, it's just newest drivers fro intel 3945 wireless, someone was mentioning they were kinda troublesome on Hardy... so just in case, you can try those...
[23:02] <slytherin> jac0b: ﻿audacious is there
[23:02] <jac0b> yea I am installing it now
[23:02] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone having an issue with hibernate etc... on 2.6.24-15-generic (#1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008) this kernel?
[23:03] <jac0b> do you any of you know why my mouse is sooooo slowwww
[23:03] <crimsun> DanaG: the real bug is referenced here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:03] <kingv> does anyone know when is the 8.04 supposed to come out? central midnight +6 US?
[23:03] <Lunks> Suddenly my WLAN doesn't show up anymore in network manager when I click on it
[23:03] <Lunks> So I'm figuring out how to set up WPA using WPA_supplicant
[23:04] <slytherin> jac0b: why don't you like rhythmbox?
[23:04] <Lunks> But what might have happened for it to just dissapear?
[23:04] <ptn107> kingv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763394
[23:04] <slytherin> Lunks: was it configured manually previously?
[23:04] <jac0b> slytherin: its okay I prefer amarok
[23:04] <Lunks> slytherin: not sure
[23:04] <pat_> Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/
[23:05] <jac0b> but audcious is quicker
[23:05] <slytherin> kingv: do you a know where there is a countdown? I would like to stop all these questions but I don't know which countdown people are referring to.
[23:05] <kingv> ptn107, thanks
[23:05] <NukeSkyjumper> anyone get sound working in wine in hardy?
[23:05] <kingv> slytherin, i
[23:06] <kingv> slytherin, im just looking at the main site. just not sure of exact time :S
[23:06] <slytherin> Lunks: check in System -> Administration -> Network. See if roaming mode is enabled for your wireless card
[23:06] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: pasuspender -- wine foo.exe
[23:06] <RAOF> SammIndustrie: Really?  Hm.  Maybe you can run Xgl on your VIA card?
[23:07] <kingv> slytherin, unfortunately nobody know the time.
[23:07] <Lunks> slytherin: yeah, it's set to roam
[23:07] <slytherin> Lunks: which card is it?
[23:07] <crimsun> Alan: libxine is configured to try PulseAudio first then fall back to ALSA gracefully.
[23:08] <Lunks> slytherin: b43
[23:08] <Lunks> Wireless works
[23:08] <slytherin> Sergeant_Pony: you should upgrade your system
[23:08] <Lunks> But it's not so simple to configure things as WPA PSK =\
[23:08] <crimsun> Lunks: meaning with interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf?  Sure it is.
[23:09] <Sergeant_Pony> slytherin I did this morning...
[23:09] <quittt>  why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted????
[23:09] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: still can't get any audio in winecfg's audio test with any of the 3 drivers
[23:09] <Lunks> crimsun: not sure what you're saying but yes, it's working with other things, it's just Network Manager that's broken.
[23:09] <slytherin> Lunks: I am surprised, for my card, NM automatically showed me the dialog for pass-phrase.
[23:09] <jac0b> how do you make natilus open to a specfic folder
[23:09] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: is wine configured to use oss or alsa?
[23:09] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: doesn't matter, doesn't work with either
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> (in winecfg's audio tab)
[23:10] <slytherin> jac0b: what do you mean?
[23:10] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[23:10] <Prefix> how do i set panel programs shortcuts to open files when i drag on onto it?
[23:10] <Lunks> slytherin: When you click it on the tray, it shows up 'Wireless Networks' and a list, also some options like 'Create a new wireless network' and such
[23:10] <Lunks> I don't have this on mine anymore. =\
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: just pulseaudio and the gnome mixer
[23:10] <slytherin> Lunks: is  it now showing any network?
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: i can cat files to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio just fine
[23:10] <Lunks> slytherin: Just 'manual network'
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: if you can, then it's definitely a wine issue.
[23:11] <Lunks> slytherin: I right click it and there's no "Enable Wireless", which should have.
[23:11] <jac0b> slytherin: well my shortcuts don work
[23:11] <slytherin> Lunks: have you recently upgraded to hardy? and have you restarted after that? Also are you sure the firmware for your card is loaded?
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: you can rule out pulseaudio definitely if you pkill pulseaudio
[23:11] <Prefix> whats the thing i stick after making a lancher for a program that means i can like drag stuff onto it and it opens with that program?
[23:11]  * NukeSkyjumper tries
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: however, pasuspender -- foo is the recommended method.
[23:11] <slytherin> jac0b: which shortcuts?
[23:12] <dwidmann> With nfs, if you export say, /nfs/blah, on the guest machine could you mount something like say, /nfs/blah/bleh even the /nfs/blah/bleh wasn't explicitly exported and /nfs/blah was?
[23:12] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: yeah, no sound at all even without pulseaudio running
[23:12] <slytherin> Prefix: I think the command of program should be something like 'command %u'. May not work with all programs
[23:13] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: right, time to troubleshoot your wine config
[23:13] <Lunks> slytherin: Wireless works, I use Hardy for like a month now.
[23:13] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: just as a sanity-check, make sure you haven't muted the appropriate mixer element(s)
[23:13] <jac0b> slytherin: I made a shortcut to my storage drive in my top bar but now it doesn work
[23:14] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: winecfg is returning "audio test failed"
[23:14] <Lunks> slytherin: And yes, I'm sure I've got firmware set for my wireless card; If I hadn't it would not work
[23:14] <slytherin> jac0b: can't help much.
[23:14] <slytherin> Lunks: Right. Might be good to file a bug. But make sure you specify which card exactly. b43 is driver name.
[23:15] <Lunks> BCM4311 it'd be. :)
[23:15] <Alan> crimsun, shame :(
[23:15] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: I don't use wine, so I'm of no use there.  If audio works otherwise, that's what I care about.
[23:15] <crimsun> Alan: why shame?
[23:15] <Lunks> slytherin: I believe I'll just wait for Hardy release, download it, burn and reinstall. :P
[23:15] <slytherin> Lunks: ahh then it might be problem. Don't think 4311 has full support.
[23:16] <Alan> crimsun, because of the fact pulseaudio appears to make a mess of sound, so i'll have to find a way to not use it?
[23:16] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: thanks anyway
[23:16] <slytherin> Lunks: or it is possible that the firmware has been changed since you last downloaded it.
[23:16] <Lunks> slytherin: It was working fine. It works fine. B43 supports 4311.
[23:16] <crimsun> Alan: it doesn't make a mess of sound.  It works wonderfully for apps that support it natively.  What is a "mess" are the apps that /don't/.
[23:17] <Alan> crimsun, so that's the root of the stuttering sound?
[23:17] <Lunks> slytherin: If it changed, wireless wouldn't work at all. My problem is not with my wireless connection, it's with network manager.
[23:17] <crimsun> the stuttering sound is a scheduler issue.  I gave DanaG the URL above.
[23:17] <slytherin> Lunks: Ok. I am out of ideas. :-P
[23:17] <Lunks> slytherin: Maybe I could do a dpkg-reconfigure, but I'm not so sure which package I should do it.
[23:17] <crimsun> Alan: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:18] <Alan> crimsun, either way, looks like ubuntu is being shipped with an "impaired user experience" :(
[23:18] <Alan> crimsun, so we'll have to wait till 8.10 to see this disappear? or is the patch going to get backported?
[23:19] <NukeSkyjumper> anyone know how to start pulseaudio manually? "/etc/init.d/pulseaudio start" doesn't do it
[23:19] <Kill_X> anyone got a hint which plugin brasero needs to write to DVD-RAM ?
[23:19] <Lunks> Hmm going to try some stuff. :D
[23:19] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: we don't use the system-wide daemon by default.  It's started via esd compatibility in GNOME session.
[23:19] <crimsun> Alan: I don't know; that's not my decision.
[23:19] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: ah. is there a command to do so?
[23:20] <crimsun> esd&, pulseaudio -vv&, etc.
[23:20] <NukeSkyjumper> thanks
[23:20] <Alan> crimsun, fair enough - thanks for the info btw, nice to understand what's going wrong :)
[23:20]  * slytherin time to hit bed
[23:20] <crimsun> Alan: trust me, it's much more complicated, but that's essentially it.
[23:21] <crimsun> I would love to be able to ship a proper PulseAudio config, but we have too many support issues as-is.
[23:21] <Alan> crimsun, I realise, but i mean that it's a kernel bug which has been noted and "fixed"
[23:21] <Alan> rather than pulseaudio itself
[23:22] <Alan> I guess it only manifests itself noticably in an inherently real-time application
[23:22] <crimsun> it manifests itself in just about any situation with multiple GUI apps.
[23:22] <edugonch> hello, I need to change the resolution in my 8.04 system, but in xorg.conf I can't find it, is there a new file to change this? I need to do it manually
[23:22] <edugonch> thanks
[23:22] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: FYI, sound was likely working in wine all along. the "audio test" in winecfg was broken
[23:22] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: good.
[23:27] <peeps[work]> the new browser start page looks SO MUCH better
[23:27] <peeps[work]> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[23:27] <thebigham> i hate firefox 3
[23:27] <thebigham> how can i install firefox 2
[23:28] <thebigham> and get rid of firefox 3
[23:29] <peeps[work]> thebigham, apt-get install firefox-2
[23:29] <TheInfinity> thebigham: uninstall old ff and install ff-2?
[23:29] <peeps[work]> I personally you can have them both installed simultaneously
[23:29] <peeps[work]> doesn't hurt anything
[23:30] <ethana2> i can't use ff2
[23:30] <ethana2> I just can't stand it anymore
[23:30] <ethana2> ff3 FTW
[23:30] <TheInfinity> opera ftw *run away* ;)
[23:30] <ethana2> heh
[23:30] <ethana2> good luck running that on the PS3.
[23:30] <peeps[work]> well, the fact is ff3 is still beta, so IMO it really shouldn't be the default
[23:31] <ethana2> hmmmm
[23:31] <ethana2> peeps, we have unity now
[23:31] <TheInfinity> peeps[work]: its because of LTS
[23:31] <ethana2> if we go let fedora and suse stomp us all over
[23:31] <ethana2> we may loose that
[23:32] <slackd00d> ff3b5 works great for me. i dont mind it being default
[23:32] <peeps[work]> i do web development, so I gotta test in ff2, and we don't officially support ff3, so I don't really use it at all
[23:32] <peeps[work]> i don't really have any point to make, just sayin
[23:32] <slackd00d> gotcha
[23:32] <crimsun> that's why ff2 is still supported.
[23:33] <SmileyChris> I got asked to restart firefox by the OS after today's updates, but it's still b5... i was a bit confused
[23:33] <ISS_Student> I installed the beta of 8.04 and my sound worked fine then I did all the updates and sound stopped working. I just downloaded the RC iso does anybody know if there were issues with sound
[23:33] <crimsun> sigh
[23:33] <crimsun> there are a TON of issues with sound.
[23:33] <DanaG> AArgh
[23:33] <DanaG> I'm getting pissed off at my school's login agent.
[23:33] <crimsun> just simulate the upgrade and let us know.
[23:33] <peeps[work]> last i checked, ff3 had some issues with svg
[23:33] <DanaG> It's dropping me, without notice, every 15 minutes or so.
[23:34] <respider> there will be a 8.04 and a 8.04 LTS or its the same?
[23:35] <peeps[work]> same
[23:35] <crimsun> respider: depends what you install.
[23:35] <DanaG> So, I have NO idea whatsoever what things I've said that people have heard.
[23:35] <CataKlysmiC> Anticipation dammit
[23:35] <DanaG> And I have no idea what things OTHERS have said, that I've missed.
[23:35] <crimsun> DanaG: eh, nothing important.  I gave you a URL, that's about it.
[23:35] <crimsun> DanaG: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:36] <crimsun> DanaG: that's the /real/ issue, not the enabling of CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED
[23:36] <thebigham> i got sound issues too
[23:36] <thebigham> i can barely hear anything on max volume
[23:37] <peeps[work]> hehe, misleading headline: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[23:37] <crimsun> peeps[work]: Ubuntu 8.04 /is/ LTS.
[23:37] <crimsun> peeps[work]: Kubuntu is not, neither is Xubuntu.  Nor Ubuntu Studio.  Nor mythbuntu.
[23:38] <peeps[work]> crimsun, i know that.  i meant the fact that the headline says it has been released already
[23:38] <CataKlysmiC> I have a very sincere questen to ask, any developers around?
[23:38] <crimsun> CataKlysmiC: of..?
[23:38] <crimsun> peeps[work]: sure, it's misleading.
[23:39] <CataKlysmiC> Does ubuntu equal 42
[23:39] <quaddi> is this the right place to ask for some ufw help?
[23:40] <beautifulsnow> Yeah go ahead and ask quaddi
[23:40] <Dh08> Hi, i am looking for a good burning software for Hardy, mainly to burn DVDs, ISOS, and data cd/dvd.?
[23:40] <crimsun> quaddi: no, you should use answers.launchpad.net for ufw.
[23:40] <crimsun> I would say bug jd.... but he'd probably kill me.
[23:40] <beautifulsnow> Ummm doesn't Brasero do that dh08?
[23:41] <dassouki> what time is the release expected ? I'd like to get it before my flight tomorrow morning haha
[23:41] <interawi> Dh08: I believe hardy comes with new burning software to replace nautilus for cd burning
[23:41] <beautifulsnow> I woudlnt do that dassouki, if you get it, install it, and its buggy, then you have your flight, you're gonna be in for some trouble :p
[23:42] <dassouki> beautifulsnow, good point :D and hopefully the dual screen is better on hardy. i'm just suffering with gutsy :(
[23:42] <quaddi> im trying to open a game port to host games, i used ufw allow **port number***, ufw status tells me its allowed anywhere, but namp tells me its closed, and I still cant host games
[23:42] <Dh08>  Brasero does do it ; is it the the most effective one?
[23:42] <DarphBobo> Dh08, Applications> sound & video > Brasero Disc Burning
[23:43] <beautifulsnow> Meh, I've never had any problems with Brarsero and I use it for a lot of different stuff. I don't know if it's the best though
[23:43] <DarphBobo> Dh08, you can also try k3b
[23:43] <crimsun> quaddi: got a home "router"?
[23:43] <quaddi> yes and the ports are correctly forwarded
[23:44] <Dh08> ok, thank you DarphBobo...:-)
[23:44] <crimsun> quaddi: verify that you can telnet localhost port
[23:44] <strtok> anyone know why when i execute "jarsigner" i get a list of packages that support jarsigner, even though i've already installed sun-java5-jdk?
[23:45] <quaddi> nc fails at the port i need
[23:45] <crimsun> quaddi: what's the default policy?
[23:45] <quaddi> allow
[23:46] <Sajuukkhar> hey guys just updated to hardy
[23:47] <Sajuukkhar> but now there is something wrong with my Xorg.conf file
[23:48] <crimsun> quaddi: did you troubleshoot with `sudo iptables -nL'?
[23:48] <quaddi> no i ahve not
[23:48] <quaddi> *have
[23:48] <strtok> update-alternatives for java is broken i think
[23:49] <quaddi> how do I interpret this?
[23:49] <Seveas> strtok, update-java-alternatives :)
[23:49] <strtok> no way
[23:49] <strtok> :P
[23:50] <crimsun> quaddi: well, where does your rule appear?
[23:50] <strtok> hrm
[23:50] <strtok> Seveas: that didn't set it for jarsigner
[23:51] <strtok> ls -al javac
[23:51] <strtok> er
[23:51] <strtok> or javac
[23:51] <strtok> they both still point to java-gcj
[23:51] <quaddi> its there, but Im not certain if it requires a source and destination (tcp and udp are accounted for)
[23:51] <strtok> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac
[23:52] <strtok> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/jarsigner
[23:52] <strtok> sorry for double liner
[23:53] <crimsun> quaddi: it doesn't require one.  If the host is omitted, it defaults to "this host".
[23:53] <quaddi> then it seem my rule is accurate
[23:53] <quaddi> but the port is still not open
[23:55] <Sajuukkhar> ok heres my probelm, hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver
[23:56] <LogicalDash> I had Gutsy set up to launch "alltray thunderbird -na" on startup, thus starting thunderbird but keeping it in the systray. The same thing on Hardy fails to act *on Thunderbird* half the time, instead giving me a generic Alltray icon that does nothing; otherwise, it does give me the Thunderbird icon, but Thunderbird also starts in a visible window, which sort of defeats the purpose. Is there anything I can do about this?
[23:56] <crimsun> quaddi: have you checked /var/log/syslog for the ufw message(s)?
[23:56] <NukeSkyjumper> since upgrading to hardy, the gnome sensors applet doesn't display any of the libsensors data
[23:56] <NukeSkyjumper> but does display the nvidia and hddtemp ones
[23:57] <soldier> ubuntu 8.04 coming soon.
[23:57] <CataKlysmiC> anyone know at what time the announcement is going to be for the dvd releases
[23:57] <soldier> when ???
[23:57] <Sajuukkhar> anyone?
[23:57] <LogicalDash> LONDON, April 21, 2008 – Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April. In related news, Canonical also announced the simultaneous release of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition.
[23:57] <LogicalDash> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[23:58] <Sajuukkhar> can someone tell what I can do with this error :hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver
[23:58] <Prez00> Ans there they are, I am looking at several mirrors being updated as we speak to Release version
[23:58] <zerone> I have msn running, but programs don't flash bright enough on the bottem task bar.. is there a way to increase the brightness of the programs assistance?
[23:58] <quaddi> crimsum: seems that there are several ufw messages, but they detail hardware addresses and such, and I cant decipher what its meaning is
[23:58] <Prez00> just kidding....
[23:59] <jac0b> how can I adjust my mouse speed