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_Rambaldi_well i have no idea what mt. is or tape retension00:00
newbie_Rambaldi_, all right00:00
newbieI tried to stop the current driver for my wireless card using modprobe -r prism54pci, but after that, my computer freezes and I have to shut it down00:05
ubuntucool123has anyone got compiz working on Mobility Radeon 7500 and Ubuntu 8.04 RC?00:05
Who_Does anyone know whether Envy will let me install and _older_ driver00:06
Who_?00:06
Mark_G!envy | Who_00:07
ubotuWho_: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »00:07
Who_Mark_G: I guess I'll install it and have a look :)00:08
ubuntucool123?00:08
Who_Because some people with similar hardware have got workin suspend with the older version but not with the latest...00:08
Mark_GWho_: it wasn't a reccommendation to use it.. it might bork your system..  better to look in synaptic. They usually have an older driver there.. Nvidia? should be there.00:09
strtoki used to be able to install hardy on this same system -- now i get an input/output errno5 error00:09
Who_Mark_G: when the nvidia-glx-new (as opposed to legacy) is selected the 'force version' option is missing00:10
Mark_GWho_: I'm not a driver expert.. mine has worked seemlessly since Breezy badger.. so I'm not sure what "force version" does or where to implementment it.00:10
Who_Mark_G: I know I have used it in the past to choose older versions of packages...00:11
ryancrI have just installed hardy but the only way I was able to was to use acpi=off and acpi=off is still required even to boot now, has anyone else come across this?00:11
Who_Mark_G: how much breakage would getting a version from gutsy cause?00:12
Mark_Gunknown00:12
Who_Mark_G: any idea on whether it is sensible?00:12
theone_is it that important to have rather than wait a short bit00:13
Mark_Gmight work..00:13
theone_so far things seem really solid for me00:14
theone_i'm just waiting for things like libdvdcss00:14
theone_actually that is one of the only things I don't have working yet.00:15
ryancrOh and this is just a desktop computer with a sata drive00:15
Who__theone_: Where you asking me if it is important to have?00:15
ryancrwhen I booted the live cd without acpi=off it would not find my hard drive00:15
theone_yeah... just wondering what it was00:15
mmarkerOk, I've hit my wits end with this one. Anyone know what is loading the nvidia.ko which is version 96.43.05, and X.org is using the "new" nvidia driver (IOW, what's autoloading the wrong module so I can kick it in the teeth)?00:16
newbie_Rambaldi_, do you know how I can know how ubuntu is naming my wireless card?00:16
ubuntucool123I have a trident video card in my old laptop. The laptop native resolution is 1024x768 but in 8.04 RC the max resolution is 800x600 for it. Anyway to fix this?00:16
theone_ubuntucool123, you might try configuring x00:16
theone_ever done that before?00:17
Who__theone_: I am trying to downgrade my nividia driver because suspend doesn't work but I have seen a bug report that says for some guy with similar hardware, similar setup 169.09 worked but 169.12 didn't (and it failed in the same way...) so I wanted to try it. I think waiting for new verions won't fix it...00:17
cyclonutI need to transfer an entire directory and subdirectories to a remote server using sftp. However, that doesnt happen when just using "put". How do I do this?00:17
theone_ah... well, if it's not your production server or something, why not try it out.00:17
_Rambaldi_iwconfig newbie00:17
Who__ubuntucool123: I had trouble with the trident driver on an _old_ laptop of mine and found using vesa to be much smoother. This was a chip with just 2mb ram...00:17
Who__theone_: yea, I guess :)00:18
ubuntucool123ok i will change the driver in xorg.conf00:18
Who__ubuntucool123: and then you can use the tool displayconfig-gtk to tell the system you have a 1024x768 monitor and set the resolution. (You could do that in xorg, too...)00:19
Who__*xorg.conf too00:19
kahrytanAnyone know how to force a time server sync?00:21
crimsunkahrytan: run ntpdate by hand.00:22
=== BlinkyToon is now known as Don_Miguel
kahrytancrimsun->  no servers can be used00:22
mmarkerntpdate pool.ntp.org00:23
mmarkerneed a timeserver on the commandline00:24
kahrytansocket in use00:24
newbie_Rambaldi_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64050/ this is what I get when I type iwconfig. The thing is that I try to stop both cards from monitor mode, but the leds on my external cards are still blinking, do you have any suggestions?00:24
jbroomekahrytan: sudo pkill ntp00:24
mmarkerhmm. ntpd is running then00:25
mmarkerHow off is your clock, perchance?00:25
jbroomentpdate pool.ntp.org, or sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart00:25
kahrytanjbroome-> i woke up this morning with 12/hr different and i had clock applet sync set.00:26
_Rambaldi_so you have 2 cards? how come, and from the iwconfig, they are not in monitor mode. newbie00:26
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kahrytanjbroome->  hows that waaaaaaay off?00:29
newbie_Rambaldi_, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64051/00:34
Who__theone_: I have a reason not to try it out: I'd need to go to an older kernel... which seems pretty tedious!00:38
michaelHey everyone! I just upgraded to 8.04 rc1 and I am having compiz issues, is there anyone who wouldn't mind helping out?00:40
thompai need to increase the speed of the curser on my touchpad00:41
thompais there a way to increase the cursor speed?00:42
thompapointer speed*00:42
atlefsystem - preferences - mouse00:43
Who__Can someone talk me through naming on the nvidia drivers packages?00:43
thompaatlef: thanks i know that one, but isnt acceleration something else?00:43
manfromnshello00:43
atlefthompa: no00:43
manfromnsif i upgrade from gutsy to hardy will i lose files etc?00:44
thompaatlef: then i have a problem, because it does not move smoothly00:44
Who__specifically will nvidia-glx-new_169.09+2.6.24.9-10.28_i386.deb work if uname -r gives 2.6.24-16-generic00:44
cyclonutanyone familiar with sftp?00:44
_Rambaldi_newbie, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64053/00:44
thompaatlef: it worked fine in debian, and accelration here makes it jerk forward faster00:45
kahrytanyup yup/ Alien Arena package is broken/00:45
atlefthompa: then i don't know00:46
newbie_Rambaldi_, all right, thank you00:46
_Rambaldi_which i could be more help00:46
thompaatlef: im going to compare what debian has maybe00:47
michaelare there known ati issues? after i upgraded window movement is choppy and slow00:47
atlefthompa: maybe00:47
kahrytanWhere  do i report alien-arena package?00:47
thompaatlef: if i start to move touchpad a little faster it just takes off too fast , and if accelration low it moves too slow00:48
thompaits like a space coverage issue00:48
atlefthompa: search for touchpad in synaptic00:48
thompaatlef: thanks ill try that again,00:48
atlefthompa: there are some packages there00:48
peter78I'm experiencing a LOT of freezes recently in ubuntu00:51
peter78any help?00:52
penpeter78: freezes? compiz?00:53
peter78pen, I have compiz enabled but it has done it without and tbh compiz is using fck all cpu and memory00:53
thompai cant get on the forums i get always image verification00:54
thompagoogle too weird00:54
dnyi can't run compiz on my pos computer without it getting destroyed ;<00:54
penpeter78: what command did you use to start it?00:54
peter78to start compiz?00:55
thompaare the ubuntu forums down?00:56
thompait keeps asking me to verify image00:57
peter78pen, start compiz or my computer?00:57
_derspanksterthompa: no, the forums are not down00:57
Who_wohoo! I have suspend working with nvidia! I am not using the nvidia-glx-new but instead nvidia-glx. Simple!00:57
penpeter78: compiz00:58
peter78pen, default I think, 1 sec I'll look in sessions00:58
peter78pen, it doesn't say, I just enable it in appearance01:00
thompa_derspankster: well its asking to verify images so i can search, ive typed about a dozen so far01:00
penpeter78: ok.01:00
penpeter78: enable compiz, go to process monitor01:00
penpeter78: look up the command used by compiz01:01
thompaim trying to figure out how to install synaptic. touchpad01:01
Who_RAOF: as you seem to be the guru for these things perhaps you could mention to people in my situation that this coudl work :) THanks for your help. Is there any way I can try the 169.09 version?01:01
_derspanksterthompa: the site has changed a bit but I'm having problem searching01:02
thompa_derspankster: same with google search every now and then01:02
peter78pen, compiz.real01:02
thompasays i got security issue possibly01:02
penpeter78: no other --thing?01:02
peter78pen, ?01:03
thompa_derspankster: i think it might be firefox01:03
penpeter78: there should have a "Command Line " column01:03
penpeter78: are you looking at the right column?01:03
Prez00For people in the know, what do you make of this guy's comments, I went to look at the bugs and they all seem pretty serious for average users to figure out: http://lwn.net/Articles/279111/#Comments01:04
peter78pen, no just process name, status, % cpu, nice, ID, memory01:04
thompaPrez00: ive had some tough times here, finally got wireless to work but its impossible for average user, also usb is borked01:05
thompaPrez00: basically i have to uninstall a bunch of crap and then start from scratch01:05
penpeter78: go to edit|preference01:06
penpeter78: check command line in the indormation fields01:06
peninformation01:06
Prez00thompa: wow, has this been normal with other LTS releases?01:06
thompaPrez00: its same on 3 computers, so far automount is broke of usb devices01:07
Prez00I had little trouble upgrading from dapper to gutsy, it felt like good upgrade on almost all aspects01:07
shane2peruhmm, firefox3, does it use the same bookmark setup?  I moved all my bookmarks, and it didn't work.01:07
_derspanksterPrez00: to be fair, personally I've had very few issues with the upgrade - for what it's worth01:07
thompaPrez00: it all worked in gutsy, kernel problem here01:07
LinuxGuy1234I'll be testing Hardy!01:07
Prez00_derspankster: good to hear..01:07
kahrytanWho said suspend worked for them?01:08
Prez00I mean, I can "fix" these issues follwoing workarounds, but average users are dead if these bugs are true..01:08
kahrytanWho_->  Consider your fortunate suspend works for you.01:08
khaotiki updated to ubuntu 8.4 last night and it messed my sound up. everything sounds likes static. can i fix this??01:08
kahrytankhaotik->  correction: 8.0401:09
thompaPrez00: i agree. walkmans wont mount anymore unless you manually edit stuff, no clue why01:09
Who_kahrytan: I have spend quite a while trying to get a solution!01:09
khaotikmy bad. slip of the finger. im trying to type to fast i am in class right now01:10
Who_it is a regression in the nvidia driver01:10
kahrytanWho_->  I got a noimage error on suspend and hibernation.01:10
keanuAt some point (can't say when) my flash drives stopped automounting, displaying the error "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."01:11
keanuany idea on the cause?01:11
Who_kahrytan: Have you tried the config steps from the wiki?01:11
thompakeanu: i got that too01:11
Who_(ie enabling NvAGP, etc)?01:11
keanuthompa, did you find a fix?01:11
kahrytanWho_-> bot link please01:11
thompakeanu: i had to manually edit fstab and mount etc01:12
genieHi all I just copy all the update to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and when I run the system update in Ubuntu 8.04 again download same update from internet?! why this happened?01:12
keanuthompa, sigh =/01:12
kahrytanthompa->  did you use nautilus to set options?01:12
thompakeanu: i would wait, its same here on a couple of machines01:12
keanuthompa, ok01:12
thompakahrytan: sorry im not sure01:13
thompakahrytan: where are nautalis options?01:13
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Bryan_sierraI have a nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1), and everytime I boot up with the nVidia drivers, my x becomes all...liney...01:14
Bryan_sierraany help?01:14
thompakahrytan: if you mean like media handling , i tried01:15
genierestricted driver not work with me, I remove it and now display ok01:15
genieHi all I just copy all the update to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and when I run the system update in Ubuntu 8.04 again download same update from internet?! why this happened?01:15
genieany one know why this happened?01:16
kahrytan!suspend01:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:16
Bryan_sierragenie, yeah. But when I go to standby, my computer doesn't return from suspend.01:16
Bryan_sierras/standby/suspend01:16
tawtcan anyone help me?  on the grub menu i have hardy for both 2.6.24-16 and 2.6.22-14.  the newest one, 2.6.24-16 won't boot into ubuntu.  how can i fix this?01:17
genieBryan_sierra, try to install the driver from nvidia website01:17
Bryan_sierragenie, tried that too.01:17
ezzieyguywufwhats the deal with xgl in hardy heron? i've got xserver-xgl installed but I can't seem to log into an xgl session01:17
Bryan_sierragenie, even used the 'beta' one from april 10th. Same issue.01:17
Bryan_sierraalso tried an older one, it was also broken.01:17
genieBryan_sierra, sorry I don't know - ask more expert users01:18
slackd00di installed 8.04 beta and now im upgrading the packages it wants to, but it wants to remove volumeid. is that alright?01:18
genieslackd00d, yes this happened to me too - update remove some packages01:19
slackd00dgenie: but on another system after i did that my UID or whatever the partitions are called messed up01:20
slackd00dUUID01:20
genieslackd00d, sorry this not happened to me01:21
Bryan_sierrahmm01:21
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LinuxGuy1234tawt: try the the 2.6.22-14 kernel01:22
tawtlinuxguy1234:  that's what i'm using right now01:23
tawtlinuxguy1234:  but i want to fix the suspend01:23
AnswerGuyIs there an easy way to find out if Hardy will support SystemTap (kprobes?)01:24
* AnswerGuy answers his own question by trying: aptitude search systemtap .... DUH!)01:26
Sergeant_Ponylol01:26
Luckriderdouble lol01:26
Sergeant_Ponyyou are the answerguy01:26
Luckriderhmm...01:26
Luckrider!SystemTap01:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about systemtap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:26
LuckriderThat usually works01:27
AnswerGuySince the package is listed under universe/devel and doesn't list any special kernel dependencies ... I have to presume that the Hardy kernel already includes the requisite kprobes patches.01:27
AnswerGuyI'm stuck using RHEL and a little SLES at work all the time; I forget how much easier it is to get this stuff for Debian/Ubuntu01:28
LWATCDRI updated to the Release canadate and my network has stopped working. When I did the hardware test it didn't find it. Anybody got any ideas?01:28
LWATCDRI am using an NForce4 mother board.01:29
thompaim on acer aspire and suspend works01:30
_derspanksterthompa: I am also on an acer aspire and suspend also works01:31
thompathe only negative is the acer_acpi really01:31
_derspanksterthompa: amen to that01:31
thompa_derspankster: what model? im 5520 w nvidia01:31
thompa_derspankster: battery life is dismal but i think its the acpi01:32
_derspanksterthompa: 5003 with junk SIS integrated video01:32
thompa_derspankster: whats the wirleess card?01:32
AnswerGuyLWATCDR: what happens if you manually configure the network interface from the command line (sudo or su to root and disable NetworkManager, etc)?01:32
thompa_derspankster: wireless device will tell if you have hosed acpi, there is a patch but not for 6401:33
_derspanksterthompa: it's a Broadcom Airforce, hmm, can't recall the model number01:33
thompa_derspankster: earlier i had 1.30 not 1 hour it says on 6401:33
thompa_derspankster: is it internal?01:33
_derspanksterthompa: wireless is internal and I'm running 32 bit on a Turion01:34
thompa_derspankster: your in good shape, atheros only works if you remove all the hardwire drivers, install build ess, make from scratch01:34
thompa_derspankster: there are lots of these, guess i should check for bugs,01:35
_derspanksterthompa: wireless is acceptable, but not as good so far as Gutsy01:35
thompa_derspankster: what does lspci say about the device?01:35
_derspanksterthompa: it's a BCM431801:36
thompaAtheros Communications Inc. AR242x  here01:37
thompaor 5006 or 5007 depending what kernel or distor01:37
_derspanksterthompa: I struggled with it in Dapper and Feisty, got be better with Gutsy01:38
thompa_derspankster: i think its inclusion of acer_acpi, if it is..? in kernel, makes hose01:38
cyclonuthi folks, I am trying to lock down a server. I am editing /etc/passwd, and was wondering which users NEED anything besides /bin/false01:38
_derspanksterthompa: not sure what you're saying01:39
thompanow i have to use a vista driver01:39
suriroI netinstalled Hardy RC on an Acer Aspire, and there's no resume= parameter in menu.lst entries. Does suspend not need it anymore?01:39
rixthHey guys, weird issue with wireless. To save posting everything again here, please look at this bug (especially network experts!): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/22083501:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220835 in network-manager "network-manager does not show network list while iwlist does" [Undecided,New]01:39
thompa_derspankster: somehow the acer_acpi included somewhere, under hardware drivers you must remove all the atheros stuff first earlier alpha6 not01:40
igorgueHi, is there a problem with the flash plugin? adobe one? it takes control of my audio, pulseaudio related?01:40
thompa_derspankster: madwifi would install with a patch, but not for ubuntu 64 so far01:41
_derspanksterthompa: I tried  to disable acpi in my bios but had no option to do so01:42
thompa_derspankster:im going to just get a mini pci card for now01:42
_derspanksterthompa: I take it you're running 6401:42
thompa_derspankster: yes01:42
thompa_derspankster: everything works. except the wireless01:42
igorgueanyone?01:42
_derspanksterthompa: how much ram?01:43
thompa_derspankster: i tries all the other distros not even a screen usually01:43
ubuntucool123Who_: Thanks - now got right resolution with trident video dirver01:43
thompa_derspankster: usiually i have to remove the "nv" entry in xorg.conf but thats fixed01:43
rippsigorgue: do you have libflashsupport installed?01:43
igorgueripps: wait a sec, doing updates01:44
thompa_derspankster: why dont they just make vesa default?01:44
igorgueripps: well wait 10 mins...01:44
_derspanksterthompa: I certainly prefer the nvidia on my desktop machine01:45
thompa_derspankster: this time i got a screen, havent checked the entry, then i enabled nvidia, so far faster than windows01:45
thompa_derspankster: twice as fast as vista01:45
rippsigorgue: whatever, if it's installed, remove it. It attempts to integrate flash with pulseaudio, but ends up causing problems instead.01:45
igorgueripps: nop I didn't have it installed01:46
kahrytanthompa->  and that surprises you?01:46
igorgueripps ??01:46
igorgueI didn't have it01:46
rippshuh...01:46
_derspanksterthompa: I ran the Vista RC for a while on my windows box but didn't care for it01:46
thompakahrytan: Im getting viruses everyday in vista01:46
rippsDo you have any other flash plugins installed, like gnash?01:47
thompalike maybe 5001:47
kahrytanthompa->  and that surprises you?01:47
thompahe he01:47
_derspanksterthompa: I get no viruses on my XP box01:47
_derspanksteror is it virii?01:47
kahrytanthompa->  be warn. Linux does have viruses.01:47
igorgueripps: can I know what kind of problems does it cause?01:48
igorgueit looks like working for me01:48
igorgueit solved my problem01:48
_derspanksterkahrytan: I get no viruses with Ubuntu either01:48
keanuthompa, fixed my automount problem01:48
kahrytanCan anyone help me with this error -> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/IMG_0349.jpg01:48
DG19075No viruses here either01:48
thompakeanu: how so?01:48
kahrytan_derspankster->  its out there .. they dont work though01:48
rippsigorgue: sometimes flash and gnash cause issues becuase they both try to install plugins for flash.01:49
kahrytan_derspankster->  Windows virus still could infect Ubuntu machine with WINE01:49
_derspanksterkahrytan: perhaps, but my network is locked down pretty well01:49
rippsigorgue: The answer might be here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661833&highlight=gstreamer+plugins01:49
kahrytan_derspankster->  try infecting your WINE enhanced ubuntu pc.01:49
keanuthompa, unmounted and ejected the flash drive (/dev/sdb) and checked fstab - removed the line for /dev/sdb1, plugged in the flash drive, and it automounted01:50
_derspanksterkahrytan: now, why would I try something like that?01:50
kahrytan_derspankster->  for laughs01:50
kahrytan_derspankster->  and time to kill.01:50
_derspanksterkahrytan: I have other ways to amuse myself01:50
thompakeanu: thats easier than what i did01:50
keanuthompa, what'd you do?01:51
kahrytan_derspankster->  it'll justi infect .wine and maybe home folder.01:51
_derspankstertime to walk the dog01:51
thompakeanu: still it automounted before. i mean poped up on the screen01:51
igorgueripps: thanks :)01:51
kahrytanthompa->  what  are you doing01:51
thompakeanu: i added it to fstab, copied file from 6401:51
keanuthompa, for me, it wouldn't automount, showing that error i mentioned a while back01:52
rippsno prob, hope it works01:52
kahrytankeanu->  Fstab howto -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28313101:52
keanukahrytan, I had just removed the line referencing /dev/sdb1 from my fstab and it worked - thanks though01:53
kahrytanthompa->  you too,  Fstab howto -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28313101:53
thompakeanu: walkman is same, is that flash?01:53
keanuthompa, ?01:54
thompakahrytan: i know how to do that01:54
ubuntucool123will you be able to easily upgrade ubuntu 8.04 RC to ubuntu 8.04 final?01:54
kahrytankeanu->  use UUID.01:54
keanukahrytan, what do you mean?01:54
thompamy point is only that it no lounger automounts01:54
rippsubuntucool123: RC becomes Final just through usual updates01:54
LWATCDRSorry AnswerGuy. I have not tried to do it manually. Yet. I just tired updateing the BIOS so I was away at the other computer. I did try modprobe nforcedeth and that didn't work01:55
ubuntucool123ripps: ok thanks01:55
keanui already fixed the issue i had01:55
thompakeanu: also i have to edit fstab on every computer i guess01:55
kahrytanubuntucool123->  Ubuntu 8.04 oh-so silently updates to FINAL.  All you gotta do is keep the Rc updated.01:55
ubuntucool123ok01:56
keanuthompa, I'm not sure - I'm only saying what worked for me ;)01:56
thompakeanu: my problem was walkman no longer automouts, it does in ubuntu 64 though01:56
keanuthompa, ah01:57
thompakeanu: on 3 computers01:57
kahrytanthompa->  sony walkman?01:57
thompayes01:57
keanuthompa, i'm not exactly sure how automounting works, so i won't be the person to ask01:57
keanu*wouldn't01:57
thompanew one i think01:57
thompaon my 64 heron acer it opens in window says walkman very nice01:58
kahrytaneww ..amazon link..01:58
kahrytanthompa->  Seen the Sansa Fuze?01:58
thompajust drag and drop, not on the computers running 38601:58
thompaso is that a kernel issue?01:58
thompakahrytan: im getting a eee anyway01:59
thompasoon as tax comes in,02:00
kahrytanthompa->  9" one?02:00
keanukahrytan, heard about the fuze ;)02:00
thompaya02:00
kahrytankeanu->  Yeah 2gb for $80 w/ microsd/sdhc.02:00
thompawalkman sounds best02:00
kahrytankeanu->  and microsdhc is 8gb02:00
keanukahrytan, sounds like my e250 ;)02:00
keanumicrosdhc is also 4GB02:01
michael8.04 is SO SLOW, ! gah!02:01
kahrytankeanu->  except no microsdhc02:01
thompai wonder if it will run linux these things, my ipod does02:01
keanukahrytan, yeah it does02:01
kahrytanmichael->  take it back.02:01
keanuwell, with rockbox it does02:01
kahrytanrockbox .. bah.. ugly display02:01
michaelkahrytan: ha yeah. something must have gone wrong with my upgrade02:01
thompaplaystation02:01
keanukahrytan, it's getting better ;)02:01
kahrytankeanu->  Ipodlinux is coming to sansa though02:02
ethana2michael: i never trust those update scripts much02:02
keanukahrytan, it's already there, but there's quite a few bugs02:02
ethana2michael: i accumulate workarounds and hacks, so I prefer clean installs02:02
* keanu can't get past initializing mpd =/02:02
kahrytanmichael->  I have never upgraded ubuntu.02:02
kahrytankeanu->  Sansa e200 works in Rhythm or Banshee i believe?02:03
michaelethana2: yeah, looks like i'm going to have to do a clean install... first of all it took like 5 hours to download, possibly because of huge traffic, then it's running like crap... something must have been missed, oh well..02:03
kahrytanor was or amarok02:03
michaelkahrytan: always clean installs huh?02:04
kahrytanmichael->  aye02:04
keanukahrytan, IIRC - i'd have to check02:04
keanuit's msc, so it should02:04
kahrytankeanu-> MTP mode like WMP02:04
keanukahrytan, and MSC02:05
kahrytanMSC ,. mount like flash but i remember something about mtp mode too02:05
keanuit supports both02:05
kahrytani prefer msc.02:05
keanusame02:06
kahrytankeanu->  dont install Alien Arena in repos.02:06
* keanu had to check to see what Alien Arena was =/02:07
caligarn1037hi folks, i've been getting a problem with hardy lately....when i do "sudo apt-get update" i'll eventually get this message: "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://vn.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>", how do i fix th02:08
kahrytankeanu->  a game thats broken in hardy02:09
keanukahrytan, how's it broken?02:09
kahrytankeanu->  ditto in gutsy now02:09
kahrytankeanu->  Game crashes after 2nd map finishes02:09
keanuheh02:09
* keanu wonders if it's related to the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio/-alsa issue i was complaining about last week02:10
kahrytanno02:10
kahrytanIt crashes in Gutsy too02:10
Iced_EagleDo you need a burned CD for Wubi? Or is mounting the disc in windows via Daemon Tools just fine?02:13
kahrytankeanu->  did you like ubuntu docs update today?02:14
Zackymc_kSo I upgraded to hardy and now i have nvidea problems. help?02:14
ShackJackAnyone been having any issues with latest Firefox 3? I'm getting a lot of IOWait in the system monitor and it occassionally is locking up...02:14
keanukahrytan, hmm?02:14
nosrednaekimok... does anyone here have an ATI card running fglrx drivers that can test something for me?02:14
_derspanksterShackjack: can you get to www.dslreports.com?02:14
kahrytankeanu-> ubuntu-docs updated today02:14
keanukahrytan, heh, didn't notice02:15
jedipottsyhey02:15
kahrytankeanu->  that thing takes forever to update02:15
ShackJack_derspankster: I think so, but it's not a connection issue...02:15
ezzieyguywufwhats the deal with xgl in hardy heron? i've got xserver-xgl installed but I can't seem to log into an xgl session02:15
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: what do you need that for?02:15
jedipottsycan someone help compiling the 8.4 catalyst drivers in X64?02:15
ezzieyguywuffor compiz02:15
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: what card do you have>02:15
ezzieyguywufati firegl v520002:16
ShackJack_derspankster: I'm on dslreports - what am I looking for?02:16
keanukahrytan, i just have gutsy set up to download any updates ahead of time so when i get home they're all ready to be installed02:16
TooEZ_derspankster: yep got to dslreports no problemo from Oz02:16
_derspanksterShackjack: just curious, I can't02:16
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: do the fglrx drivers work with that?02:16
jedipottsyeverything goes fine untill i try to pkgmake02:16
ShackJackSO anyone having Firefox issues with IOWait? (stalling, etc...)02:17
kahrytanExtreme Tux Racer doesnt work for me02:17
NukeSkyjumpersince an update a few days ago, all drop-down windows in firefox get matched by compiz and animated02:17
jedipottsyit says dpkg-shlibdeps: warning symbol XauFileName used by debian/xorg-driver-fglrx/usr/sbin/atieventsd found in none of the libraries02:17
NukeSkyjumperanyone know whether or not this is just a firefox issue?02:17
ezzieyguywufnosrednaikim: yes I think so. I've got the restricted drivers installed but can't seem to enable compiz. When I had this problem in Gutsy it was because i did not have xserver-xgl installed, so (in gutsy) I installed it then was told that I wouldn't have to log into it or anything cuz ubuntu would do it automatically. I dunno what the deal is in heron though...02:18
RAOFNukeSkyjumper: Yes, it's a firefox issue.  They don't give the right type to their popup windows.02:18
kahrytanSomething is seriously wrong with Hardy and how it allows apps to change resolution .. it doesnt02:18
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: well, #1, you no longer need xgl...... try running "compiz --replace" from the command line and seeing what errors it spits out02:18
RAOFezzieyguywuf: Same deal in Hardy; what's your actual problem?02:18
NukeSkyjumperRAOF: figured that. do you have a workaround?02:19
RAOFNukeSkyjumper: No, not really.  You can remove the window type from the Animation match in compizconfig settings, though.02:19
ezzieyguywufnosrednaekim : "/usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found"02:19
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: you don't seem to have it installed :)02:20
ezzieyguywufseems to be my problem :-D but i checked synaptic and compiz is installed02:20
nosrednaekimtry running "sudo apt-get install compiz"02:20
jedipottsyhow do i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?02:20
ezzieyguywufRAOF : my current problem is that I do not see an option for loging in to XGL and heron did not say anything about it when I installed it02:20
shane2perudoes anyone know how to download from the repos without locking the install package02:20
RAOFezzieyguywuf: It's the same as in Gutsy; you automatically login to the Xgl session.02:20
shane2peruexample:  sudo aptitude download packagename  = locks install thing02:21
ezzieyguywufnosrednaekim : says that compiz is already the newest version02:21
RAOFshane2peru: How about 'aptitude download packagename'?02:21
nosrednaekimezzieyguywuf: try "apt-get install compiz-core"02:21
ezzieyguywufRAOF : then I can't seem to figure out why I can't enable compiz crom system>>preferences>>appearence02:21
shane2peruRAOF: yeah, that locks the database02:21
RAOFshane2peru: I don't see how, it doesn't have the priviledges.02:22
ezzieyguywufnosrednaekim : says that compiz-core is also the newest version02:22
shane2peruRAOF: nor sure, perhaps something else has the database locked any way to know what is locking it?02:22
michaelkahrytan: figured out why it was so SLOW02:22
kahrytanmichael->  the cpu?02:22
RAOFnosrednaekim, ezzieyguywuf: That error means that you've probably messed around with /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager02:23
michaelkahrytan: haha no.. the menu.lst file still had the 2.22-14 kernel..02:23
kahrytanmichael->  thats as easy as update-grub aint it?02:23
michaelkahrytan: updated the listing, restarted and it's quick again..02:23
ezzieyguywufRAOF : I don't think I have (in heron). In gutsy I installed compiz and might have messed with that, but then removed it b/c I could not suspend and resume with fglrx. I'm hoping to test whether or not suspend works now, and although FGLRX is installed I wanna go ahead and get compiz workin before I test suspend (thats pretty silly isn't it?)02:24
michaelkahrytan: i suppose if i knew the command!02:24
kahrytanmichael-> sudo update-grub ?02:24
michaelkahrytan: i edited the menu.lst in gedit.02:25
kahrytanmichael->  yeah but update-grub takes 10secs02:25
RAOFezzieyguywuf: We don't touch anything in /etc on upgrades or package removal.  Can you pastebin your /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager file, please?02:25
kahrytanor less02:25
michaelkahrytan: i'll know for next time! but that was my issue after the upgrade to 8.04 rc1,02:25
kahrytanmichael-> RC.02:26
ezzieyguywufRAOF : sure, but I don't know what a pastbin is :-D02:26
Zackymc_kCan anyone help with this..... I turn on the computer and i chose ubuntu at start up, then login and then enable restricted driver for the nvidia then restart. then i boot up again but this time after the boot splash i get this flashing this 4 times... http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/WEBPOTOS/photo?authkey=Wuz3FCnP2PM#5192244903587481794   and then it goes into safe graphics mode then the driver dosent have a check mark next to it even after02:26
Zackymc_ki checked it. i have searched and searched but it just keeps doing this02:26
kahrytanmichael->  I seem to be having problems with games and fullscreen modes02:26
RAOF!pastebin | ezzieyguywuf02:27
ubotuezzieyguywuf: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)02:27
kahrytanmichael-> ET (wolfstein) and Extreme Tux Racer both give monitor errors of Out of Range (resolution)02:28
michaelkahrytan: err... don't know what to tell you, i don't play many games on02:28
Dr_williskahrytan,  ive heard of others with similer issues with ET. and specific modes02:28
kahrytanDr_willis->  yeah but its not limited to ET.02:28
Dr_williskahrytan,  play them in a different mode/res is about the only fix so far.02:29
ezzieyguywufRAOF : I have the following files in /etc/xdg/compiz - compiz-manager.dpkg-dist  compiz-manager.ubuntu  compiz-manager.ubuntu.dpkg-new02:29
Dr_willissince it seems to be a driver issue.02:29
shane2peruahh, aptitude download package downloads them to whatever folder I'm in02:29
ezzieyguywufRAOF : which one would you like me to pastebin02:29
kahrytanDr_willis->  yeah ... Out of Range -- makes it hard to change those settings.02:29
shane2peruif i switch to /var/apt/cache/archives/ I don't have permission to download there!02:29
RAOFezzieyguywuf: Heh.  None of them; that's why your compiz is broken :)02:29
shane2peruif i use sudo aptitude, it locks the database!  can't win!02:30
Dr_williskahrytan,  ET has command line options to enable windowwed mode so you can change them. or you can edit the proper config to enable a different mode.02:30
Dr_williskahrytan,  or you can type blindly ~ for the console, then use the proper +seta command02:30
kahrytanDr_willis->  yeah ... Out of Range -- makes it hard to change those settings.02:30
RAOFshane2peru: Oh, you want to download to the cache without locking?  Hm...02:30
kahrytanDr_willis-> Did i mention its not constrained to just ET?02:30
ezzieyguywufRAOF : hehe so what should I do? reinstall compiz?02:30
Dr_williskahrytan,  i dident say it was only ET. :)02:30
rixthI hav no sound in Flash. How do I fix this?02:30
RAOFezzieyguywuf: I'd suggest copying compiz-manager.ubuntu to compiz-manager02:31
RAOFezzieyguywuf: I believe that should work.02:31
rippsrixth: do you have libflashsupport installed?02:31
kahrytanDr_willis->  so it's a bigger problem02:31
Dr_willisET on this box cant even get sound for me.02:31
ezzieyguywufRAOF : ok will give that a try02:31
Dr_williskahrytan,  i said it was most likely a driver problem for the video card.02:31
RAOFezzieyguywuf: Actually, matke it compiz-manager.ubuntu.dpkg-new02:31
shane2peruRAOF: right, I already started downloading most of it, so I just want to continue working on that in background while installing a few other debs I downloaded, skype, picasa etc.02:31
rixthripps, nope, just got it then, will test now02:31
Dr_williskahrytan,  i could not repeate the issue here on my 8800gtsxxx however for a guy last week.02:31
kahrytanDr_willis-> nv issue? bloody likely.02:31
kahrytannot02:31
kahrytanDr_willis->  or did it change from gutsy?02:32
Dr_willisYou think the nv drivers are perfect?   Heh...02:32
_Rambaldi_is there a netstumbler alternatives for ubuntu02:32
rixthripps, now just a segfault when I try to look at youtube...02:32
kahrytanDr_willis->  what nv drivers do gutsy and hardy use?02:32
jbroomekismet02:32
shane2peruRAOF: I will just move them to a new folder on my /home partition, and then aptitude download, then mv them back.02:32
Dr_williscould be some odd xorg quirk.  Check the bug reports/forums see who eise is gettting affected.02:32
RAOFshane2peru: Yeah, that could fly.02:32
rixthripps, restarted and it's OK. Also though, I have no sound throguh wine.02:32
Dr_williskahrytan,  not noticed. check the package manager.  ubuntu tends to be a little behind in nv driver versions02:32
rippsrixth: try reinstalling flash -> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree gnash gnash-common && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree02:33
rixthI see this in the terminal: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave02:33
ezzieyguywufRAOF : i think that worked thanks02:33
Zackymc_kany help?02:34
rippsrixth: I don't know what's going on with Alsa, try posting in the forums, or wait to see if someone else here can help you02:34
rixthAlright02:34
kahrytanDr_willis->  Extreme Tux Racer is unplayable due to the bug02:35
Dr_willisWesnoth works here.. thats all i play. :)02:35
strtokcan someone recommend a cheap PCI-E card for a workstation that definitely will work under hardy heron?02:35
strtoki've had issues with ATI HD 2400 and geforce 6200 LE so far02:35
kahrytanDr_willis-> tried that .. hated it02:36
RAOFstrtok: Ideally there'd be an intel card that I could recommend, but there isn't.02:36
RAOFstrtok: But both of those cards you name _02:36
jedipottsyhey can someone help setup fglrx for AMD64?02:36
strtokRAOF: neither of them work02:36
Dr_willisstrtok,  my 6800 worked great. But with the varity of cards out..  -  Most of the nvidia cards should work fine.02:36
telexiconwhat on earth happened to firefox?02:36
RAOFstrtok: _should_ work alright with the restricted drivers, as installed by System->Administration->Hardware Drivers02:37
strtoki get a INVALID MEM ALLOCATION error with the nvidia card02:37
telexiconnow it thrashes my hard drive02:37
strtokRAOF: i did that02:37
strtokRAOF: with both02:37
strtok"Cannot find replacement memory range"02:37
Dr_willismy 8800gtsxxx works under hardy. and the 5500 i got works.. and my 6800 works.02:37
RAOFstrtok: That's a new and interesting failure-mode.02:37
Dr_willisI agree.. thats a weird error...02:37
Dr_willisi wonder if its not somthing to do with bios/memory/settings02:38
ezzieyguywufupdate: i got compiz working, with fglrx, and have just resumed from suspend without any problems. I haven't tried it consecutively yet, but seems to be working fine! there are some graphic "hiccups" such as firefox fonts being huge and scrolling in firefox being a bit latent.02:38
strtokyeah, i couldn't find anything in the bios about dealing with PCI-E memory02:38
rippsJedipottsy: my one stop solution for most of my fglrx problems is to use EnvyNG. Google it and follow the EnvyNG guide.02:38
RAOFezzieyguywuf: I'd suggest trying it without Xgl - you don't need it, and it may make things slower.  Or faster, it's difficult to tell :)02:39
ezzieyguywufRAOF : ok i'll just apt-get remove it then?02:39
MonobiAny apps to increase the size of a wubi partition ?02:39
kahrytanDr_willis->  im gonna try open arena02:39
Dr_willis!wubi02:40
ubotuwubi is Wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi-installer.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it is included in hardy 8.04 beta CD and will be in the final release)02:40
rippsCompiz should only be used when your trying to impress linux naysayers. Best to leave it off any other time.02:40
Dr_willisHmm.. no official #ubuntu-wubi channel yet?02:40
ezzieyguywufripps : why is that?02:40
RAOFezzieyguywuf: Indeed, should work.02:40
strtoksounds like it might be a dell bios issue02:40
kahrytanDr_willis->  I bet I know the problem02:40
strtokin re: to the nvidia problem02:40
rippsSlow, buggy, and basically just a waste of system resources02:40
RAOFezzieyguywuf: You could also create a file in ~/.config/xserver-xgl called `disable`, too.02:40
kahrytanDr_willis->  its the 800x600 resolution.02:41
jedipottsyripps: 1.1.1 latest?02:41
Dr_williskahrytan,  that was the mode the other guys was ghaving issues with also.02:41
RAOFripps: Or, alternatively, a wonderful way to make a better window manager than metacity of course :)02:41
Dr_williskahrytan,  other modes worked for him02:41
kahrytanDr_willis->  its big problem et cuz it defaults to it.02:41
ezzieyguywufi dunno, i think compiz is nifty enough to leave on all the time.02:41
RAOFripps: And, unfortunately, expose a bunch of driver limitations.  But it's not inherently slow, buggy, or resource intensive.02:42
Dr_williskahrytan,  wichis weird..because on MY machine it does not default to 800x600 - it defaulted to 1024x76802:42
ezzieyguywufits actually the reason i switched to linux a year ago, even though i've found plenty of better reasons to keep it02:42
Helvasca-hey02:42
kahrytandr-w for what02:42
kahrytanDr_willis->02:42
Fritzelwhat's the proper way to restart sound?02:42
rippsjedipottsy: EnvyNG Guide -> http://www.albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A02:43
Helvasca-Just ran latest update now Hal is failing ot initialize, I've tried to run dpkg --configure -a and its not working either!02:43
Dr_williskahrytan,  i just set et to 800x600 here. and it works in that mode for me.02:43
rippsRAOF: Your probably right, it's not Compiz's fault, just the crappy video drivers02:43
Helvasca-any ideas?02:43
kahrytanDr_willis->  not for me02:43
rippsHelvasca: Do you have a TV Tuner?02:44
Helvasca-nope02:44
RAOFripps: As I said 6 months ago, in 6 months time linux video drivers will be so much better :)02:44
Helvasca-though me-tv is installed...02:44
Helvasca-I did try and set up one a while ago though../02:44
rippsRAOF: I'll try Compiz again then02:44
ezzieyguywufis it best to do a clean install or is an upgrade from gutsy as good? I usually feel best doin a clean install cuz it will erase any files I may have messed with in previous versions (like that compiz thing). does it make a huge difference?02:44
dryeyesstrtok: was that my problem u were talking about?02:45
rippshold on guys, brb02:45
dryeyeszackmc_k s problem strtok02:45
kahrytanDr_willis->  I justused config files and set it to 1024/76802:46
kahrytanDr_willis->  fine .. until et decides toreset it.02:46
jedipottsyis there anyway to install kde4 but not have the apps show up in the gnome-menu ?02:46
kahrytanDr_willis->  Do you know why hwinfo says it doesnt support 1440x900?02:47
kahrytanDr_willis->  driver or video card issue?02:47
RAOFripps: The drivers are still pretty crap (but better than 6 monts ago).  But hopefully the next 6 months will bring a gallium3d, TTM'd DRI2 intel driver (at least), which will be awesome (and eliminate basically all the bugs exposed by compiz).02:47
Dr_williswhat hwinfo? Im not using gnome. So i may not have that.02:47
asdrubaljedipottsy yeah go in there and delete them02:47
jedipottsywithout having to manually delete them... ie not put them there in the first place?02:48
crimsunFritzel: first, you shouldn't need to "restart sound"02:48
crimsunFritzel: second, what are you really attempting?02:48
ezzieyguywufi'm having a hard time streaming music from amazon (the sample songs from cds). it just keeps loading and never plays anything. any help?02:48
asdrubaljedipottsy find where they're located before installing kde, back them up, install kde, replace with old gnome versions.02:48
crimsunezzieyguywuf: is libflashsupport installed?02:49
kahrytanDr_willis->  The system thinks 1440x900 isnt support02:49
Who__RAOF: I have suspend working with the old nvidia drivers :D02:49
Who__so I get Compiz+suspend02:49
Dr_williskahrytan,  that game dosent show any widescreen modes here02:50
ezzieyguywufcrimsun : installing it now. lemme restart firefox and see what happens02:50
kahrytanDr_willis->  yeah supposed to according to gentoo wiki02:50
Dr_williskahrytan,  given how old the game is.. im suprised it works at all. :)02:50
jgooWas logged in, did switch user, then locked the screen when I logged in as the second user. When I came back this morning, I unlocked the screen, fine. I clicked logout, and the screen went black... couldn't pull up a terminal (ctrlaltf1) and numlock wasn't responding... I tried ctrl-alt-f2 login, sudo shutdown -h now, but nothing was working. waited 10 minutes.02:51
kahrytanDr_willis->  hey .. they made Quake Wars Linux compatible because of it02:51
ezzieyguywuflibflashsupport didn't seem to help  but I think it may have something to do with the fact that I have mplayer setup to stream right now (I think. I blindly followed a howto a few days ago)02:51
jgoo8.04 beta from 3 days ago. logging out of second logged in user... what might have caused a lockup like that?02:51
crimsunezzieyguywuf: is mplayer configured to use pulse?02:52
Who__Does anyone know if things like 'two fingers on touchpad and click button 1" --> button can be done? I have     Option         "TapButton2" "3" which works for tapping but not pressing buttons. I also have    Option         "TwoFingerButton1" "3" but that doesn't seem to do anything02:52
crimsunezzieyguywuf: (presuming you're using pulseaudio by default)02:52
jgookahrytan: can you play action quake 2 on linux? :-)02:52
Who__jgoo: did you get Krita going?02:52
rskjgoo: you can player every ID game on linux.02:52
jgooWho__: nope :'( you?02:52
rippsmplayer is configured to use alsa by default, but it has plugins for every sound system including pulse. (I personally prefer OSS)02:52
rskjgoo: from QW to ET:QW :)02:52
Fritzelcrimsun, sorry for the delay, I was attempting to resolve an issue with sound not working in certain circumstances, and tracked it down to an 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio' I did the other day, however 'asoundconf unset-pulseaudio' resolved the problem, so I'm good now02:53
ezzieyguywufcrimsun : I don't know, and i'm not sure how to check that02:53
jgoorsk: cool. Of course, aq2 is the only one you'd *want* to play ;-)02:53
Who__jgoo: yea - 'out of the box' - so as to speak ...02:53
rskaq2 is too slow02:53
kahrytanrsk->  splashgames made quake wars.02:53
Fritzelcrimsun, regardless of needing to restart sound or not I'd still like to know how to do it if you happen to know02:53
saltedlighti need a script to run some command lines and to cach the output of those commands on files with diferent names... anyone can give me some hints about this?02:53
Zackymc_kCan anyone help with this..... I turn on the computer and i chose ubuntu at start up, then login and then enable restricted driver for the nvidia then restart. then i boot up again but this time after the boot splash i get this flashing this 4 times... http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/WEBPOTOS/photo?authkey=Wuz3FCnP2PM#5192244903587481794   and then it goes into safe graphics mode then the driver dosent have a check mark next to it even after02:53
Zackymc_ki checked it. i have searched and searched but it just keeps doing this every time i restart02:53
jgooHrm. Perhaps the package was confused, and is cached - how can I see if the Krita install package is cached... so I can clear it and try again?02:54
ezzieyguywufsaltedlight : I think 'echo' might help :-D but i'm not that sure02:54
Dr_willissaltedlight,  thats rather fundamental bash stuff. check the advanced bash scripting guide for examples. is a good place to start.02:54
Dr_williscommand > command1.txt02:54
Iced_EagleCan you use Daemon Tools to install Ubuntu via Wubi?02:54
Dr_williscommand2 > c2.txt02:54
* mneptok directs Dr_willis' output to 193202:54
Fritzelcrimsun, except now it seems it's blocked my X sound when it enabled the World of warcraft sound :/02:55
Dr_willisIced_Eagle,  thats a scary idea.. :) ive heard it dident work for one guy.02:55
rskechinos_: no02:55
Iced_EagleI just don't want to burn a CD, but I suppose I will to avoid any problems!02:55
Iced_EagleThanks02:55
rskIced_Eagle: why would you want do do that?02:55
jgooWho__: Last time I used Krita, there was a problem with ctrl-a, ctrl-c and pasting into another document... the bounds weren't being calculated properly... I forget exactly what... hope it is fixed (I would love to devote time to Krita development... it is the Firefox of linux apps that, in 18 months... I hope... will rival photoshops limited capabilities)02:55
rskIced_Eagle: wubi dosen't require a cd. there's a web installer02:55
Dr_willisIced_Eagle,  I dont suggest using wubi at all. :)  hteres ways to install ubuntu without burning a cd.02:55
rskyea wubi is slower than an actuall install. =)02:56
kahrytanDr_willis->  should i report extreme tux race issue?02:56
Optimus55does anyone know if this has been fixed in hardy yet? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHahler/Bug5969502:56
Iced_EagleI don't want to repartition or do anything like that, I just want to play with it02:56
Iced_EagleI'm doing a repartition later this week02:56
Who__jgoo: Did you try just removing all the krita configs (renaming the folder) and then starting again?02:56
jgooI am really quite annoyed, the whole reason I locked the machine was I had 10 windows and terminals open with my 'plan' for development this morning. *tear*02:56
Dr_williskahrytan,  may as well.. :)02:56
jgooWho__: I uninstalled immediately after install... it says no file or folder. I'll check again02:56
kahrytanDr_willis->  i did a wiki such on the site .. couldnt find anything to windowed mode or change02:57
Dr_willisIced_Eagle,  ive set up usb thumb drives to run ubuntu also. check pendrivelinux website for info on that.02:57
ezzieyguywufdo avant-window-manager and compiz work ok together?02:57
Dr_willisawm requires compiz I though.. so they better work together. :)02:57
RAOFWho__: Awesome.02:57
Who__jgoo: there will be files in a .kde folder in your homedir02:57
shane2peruahh, aptitude download, only downloads the package not dependencies unless you use sudo, which locks the database. lol02:57
Dr_williswell awm requires a compositing window manager.. (i think i read that on the awm site)02:57
Iced_EagleWell I assume doing a Wubi install is faster than running it via Thumb Drive?02:57
ezzieyguywufDr_willis : haha ok thanks02:57
RAOFDr_willis: Awn requires a compositing manager.  Like Compiz.  Or Kwin.  Or Metacity.  Or XFCE.  Or xcompmgr :)02:58
Dr_willisIced_Eagle,  depends I guess. :) i avoide WUBI like would avoide the Plague. :)02:58
Who__RAOF: what's more, the nvidia people have been very responsive (3 emails since yesterday) and they think it is fixed in new beta drivers...02:58
jgoo.kde: No such file or directory, .krita the same... so looks clean02:58
jgoosince I never ran Krita...02:58
Dr_willisRAOF,  so normal metacity will work.. cool.02:58
RAOFWho__: That's pretty cool.  I've never reported a bug that hadn't already been reported before.02:58
RAOFDr_willis: Yes.  As long as you turn on the 'composite_manager' gconf key :)02:58
Iced_Eaglehmm, dunno. Guess it's just difference of opinion. I did a Wubi install a few weeks ago, worked out great! Now I'm just about to try kubuntu to see which DE I prefer02:58
Dr_willisRAOF,  thers a xorg.conf setting also i was thinking...02:59
Who__RAOF: I think it _had_ been reported, but I was impressed by the fast feedback02:59
Iced_Eaglebut I just decided to burn the CD so it all works out :)02:59
RAOFDr_willis: No.  Nothing in xorg.corf.02:59
Dr_willisIced_Eagle,  you can just install the kubuntu-desktop package and have both on the same install.02:59
shane2peruIced_Eagle: Kubuntu requires a little more machine than Gnome02:59
Zackymc_kis this not the right channel for my problem02:59
RAOFDr_willis: Oh, unless you've specifically _disabled_ the Composite extension, of course.  Then you'll need to remove that :)02:59
Dr_willisRAOF,  i was thinking there was a 'composite' option .. :)  it need to be enabled i recall.03:00
jgooSo, what is is called when the screen blanks, and numlock stops responding... and what steps except doorbelling the machine can i try? The elephant song?03:00
shane2peruIced_Eagle: however the KDE4 is really pretty neat looking, just a matter of getting used to it.03:00
RAOFDr_willis: No, only not disabled :)03:00
ezzieyguywufwow avant is prety nifty. Is it just the little toolbar at the bottom of the screen? and am i petty for being so simply impressed? :-D03:00
Dr_willisRAOF,  i recall for some reason it being disabled by default on one of my installs.03:00
Dr_willisezzieyguywuf,  yes.. on all counts.. :)03:00
RAOFDr_willis: Maybe with old fglrx drivers?03:00
Dr_willisRAOF,  proberly :) with my x200m laptop03:00
jgooavant, that was the thing I was trying to remember. hrm. ok I want to install that03:00
remuhey everyone, I have a really weird problem03:01
ezzieyguywufis there any way to add the desktop changer to avant?03:01
* Prez00 uses avant, very nice...03:01
saltedlightDr_willis, thanks :)03:01
remuwhen I try to go to ubuntuguide.org, it starts to load the page, and then restarts my X03:01
shane2peruremu: what's the wierd problem03:01
remui just did a fresh install and noticed this problem03:01
shane2perufresh install of 8.04? remu03:02
AutoMatriXHi folks, good morning03:02
remuyup03:02
remu8.04 rc amd6403:02
Iced_Eagleshane2peru: I have an Intel Centrino Duo @ 2.2ghz, 2 gigs RAM, and a 256mb Nvidia 8600m... I think I should be fine :)03:02
Iced_Eagleor rather, I hope I would be fine!03:02
shane2perudesktop?03:02
Iced_Eaglelaptop03:02
rippsremu: have you run update-manager yet?03:02
Zackymc_kI have a frustrating problem...03:02
shane2peruIced_Eagle: yeah, you will be fine, I just like Gnome it runs a tad quicker.03:02
remuyes i have03:02
chrisf826i have been running hardy since a couple weeks ago03:03
remuand i got all of the updates on there03:03
Iced_Eagleyea we'll see :) I just want to get a good opinion for myself rather than read other peoples opinions03:03
chrisf826and it has been easy doing a binary only upgrade from beta to RC03:03
shane2peruIced_Eagle: no doubt, KDE4 does look nice, just a matter of getting used to using KDE, I couldn't adjust, been using Gnome too long03:03
mneptokremu: how does Epiphany react?03:03
chrisf826shane2peru: : i like kde3 a bit better still03:04
Iced_EagleI may be in luck :) I only used Gnome for about a week or so03:04
jgooavant: 3d turn is a cute effect, but squish... who can't love squish... this morning isn't very productive... I needed those windows to guide me!03:04
chrisf826its gonna take me getting used to03:04
chrisf826for kde403:04
remuwhats the command for epiphany?03:04
shane2peruremu: I'm still with ya03:04
jgooZackymc_k: I have some spam emails that might help you, shall I FW: ?03:04
mneptokremu: sudo apt-get install epiphany-browser03:04
shane2peruchrisf826: yeah, I just thought KDE4 was pretty neat with the extras, only used it a few days.03:05
Zackymc_kspam? do i want them?03:05
rippsremu: sudo apt-get install epiphany && epiphany03:05
remuah, thats right, i forgot it doesnt come preinstalled03:05
Piciits epiphany-browser03:05
mneptokripps: you'll want to "apt-cache show" before assuming package names ;)03:05
chrisf826shane2peru: its amazing how the whole KDe4 gui uses on;ly 73 mb of ram03:05
shane2peruIced_Eagle: yeah, only a few weeks, you can easily adjust to KDE then.03:05
chrisf826and windows with the same effects uses over a gb03:05
chrisf826:P03:05
rippswoops, my mistake03:06
chrisf826its mind boggling03:06
remuwhats the diff between aptitude and apt-get? lol, sorry for the side question03:06
shane2peruchrisf826: to be honest I just checked it out to see kde403:06
chrisf826remu: aptitude is a pretty text menu based program for apt03:06
mneptokremu: ncurses and some dependency solving03:06
Zackymc_kjgoo: Spam? do I real want them?03:06
jgoonah03:06
jgoodepends on how frustrating your problem is...03:06
shane2peruremu: aptitude is a little more comprehensive in solving dependencies.03:06
* jgoo has to start work now *breaths*03:07
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shane2peruapt-get should be fine remu03:07
remuoh okay03:07
remui just normally use aptitude, cause i was told it was better03:07
remujust curious as to what the difference was03:07
mneptokremu: apt-get is preferable. it gets more attention from the distro team.03:07
shane2peruremu: I do the same, :)03:07
remuaha03:07
chrisf826shane: i ended up hacking dpkg's diversions file03:07
Zackymc_kjgoo: do you know how to fix it?03:07
shane2perumneptok: really?  I'm surprised!03:08
chrisf826and forcing a deletion hehe03:08
rippsapt-get is what's supported, better to stick with it.03:08
jtbandesHi, is there any way I could conceivably download a torrent for the full HH release, start it leeching (which would do nothing), and have it automatically actually start downloading when the full version is released?03:08
remui just started epiphany, and about to go to ubuntuguide.org, if i disappear, it means x restarted, lol03:08
shane2peruripps: I guess I'm with remu then, why do some people so dogmatically say to use aptitude?03:08
mneptokjtbandes: use rsync03:08
remuit works fine on epiphany03:08
mneptokremu: so it's not (necessarily) a Gecko problem.03:09
chrisf826i only use aptitude when i am lazy03:09
chrisf826:P03:09
rippsaptitude is better suited if your having dependacy issues03:09
chrisf826most of the time i use dpkg and friends03:09
jtbandesmneptok: how would that work?03:09
chrisf826and editing files03:09
chrisf826to do what i want03:09
mneptokjtbandes: rsync a daily, then rsync again when the version is released. only the changed bits will be updated.03:09
shane2peruchrisf826: I actually like building from source, but not to setup my desktop. :)03:10
remumneptok: any idea what may be causing it03:10
mneptokremu: run Fx from a command line and see what it prints to the tty when it bails03:10
jtbandesmneptok: ok. do I need to use rsync for the daily?03:10
mneptokjtbandes: nope03:10
remukk03:10
chrisf826shane: i figured out how to break ubuntu's runlevels so it wouidnt load X03:10
chrisf826:)03:10
AtomicSparkwhen i updated my laptop to the beta, my numpad doesn't output numbers when numlock is on. what would cause this?03:10
shane2peruripps: so after 2 years of using aptitude, apt-get should be fine? lol, ahh, I'm too stuck to aptitude now.03:10
mneptokjtbandes: rename your daily .iso file to the filename of the final, and rsync against it03:10
chrisf826shane: i had a situation where i needed the cpu power03:11
shane2peruchrisf826: I like x, and will stick to it. :)  I don't mind cli, but I like my desktop setup. :)03:11
DanaGI use aptitude for everything.03:11
mneptokDanaG: how does it work as an MUA?03:11
jtbandesmneptok: cool, thanks. Any idea how big the iso difference is going to be?03:11
DanaGWell, everything except basic updates.03:11
chrisf826i just deleted all the run levels for the X desktop managers03:11
mneptok:P03:11
rippsthere's essentially no difference, it's just that apt-get has more support from the ubuntu development team03:11
shane2peruDanaG: me too. :)03:11
chrisf826rebooted03:11
DanaGMUA?03:11
Zackymc_kPlease I NEED MY LAPTOP AND CANT LIVE IN 800x600 please help...03:11
chrisf826and stayed within shell03:11
remui ran firefox from gnome-terminal03:11
chrisf826until i ran rcconf again03:12
chrisf826to add them03:12
remuand it restarted X before anything was displayed on the terminal03:12
mneptokjtbandes: i could tell you, but then i'd have to marry you.03:12
jbroome!resolution | Zackymc_k03:12
ubotuZackymc_k: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:12
DanaGMUA?03:12
DanaGWhat's MUA?03:12
mneptokDanaG: mail user agent (e.g. Thunderbird)03:12
shane2peruripps: thanks for the info, apt-get is a bit easier. :)  I will use it from now on.03:12
* mneptok bets aptitude is a pretty lousy MUA03:12
DanaGI don't see what mail has to do with aptitude.03:12
DanaGOh, a joke.03:13
DanaGI see.03:13
DanaG"everything"03:13
mneptok'zackly03:13
chrisf826ripps: people can get the same dependancy data from using -D2000 in the dpkg command line03:13
chrisf826:)03:13
* jgoo gets it03:13
chrisf826as they would from aptitude03:13
Zackymc_kwhat about my restricted drivers not sticking when i restart?03:13
iceswordhi, channel03:13
* shane2peru doesn't get it, went right over his head.03:13
LainIwakuraHello, does anyone know if SCIM in Hardy has been upgraded from the one in gutsy?03:13
remumneptok: i ran firefox from the terminal, and went to ubuntuguide.org, and it restarted X before anything printed in the terminal03:13
icesword!info scim hardy03:13
ubotuscim (source: scim): smart common input method platform. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.7-3ubuntu8 (hardy), package size 718 kB, installed size 1992 kB03:14
PiciLainIwakura: I'm pretty sure it has, since there were some scim bugs earlier in the devlopment cycle03:14
LainIwakuraPici: Thanks.03:14
jgooaaagh. I swear an icon... flew in from the right of my screen... drifted to pidgin on the avant bar... and disappeared.... what was that?03:14
shane2perujgoo: are you sure it wasn't a fly?03:14
chrisf826hmmm my kernel compile with p4 optimizations is almost ready!!03:14
PiciLainIwakura: from 1.4.7-1ubuntu2 to 1.4.7-3ubuntu8  . so not a big change03:14
LainIwakuraPici: Alright... since I'm having trouble setting up traditional Chinese :(03:15
LainIwakura(in Gutsy)03:15
jgoopretty sure... I am tentatively peering around the cude desktop to see what lurks... but it all looks calm. I think I need more sleep.03:15
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shane2peru_jgoo: ha ha, probably.03:15
chrisf826shane: i love ubuntu's kernel build system, it sure beats forgetting to do the steps myself03:15
chrisf826and i still get to custom build the kernel03:15
chrisf826nice!03:15
shane2peruchrisf826: are you a gentooer converted to ubuntu? lol03:16
chrisf826shane: no, i am a first time user03:16
chrisf826first time i used linux since the 2.2 days03:16
ToddEDMhey guys, i just went to ubuntu.com , and i noticed there is 2 days left till hardy, the release candidate that is available for download.. is it going to be what is actually released?03:16
chrisf826when i ran slakware03:16
rippsI'm used to use Gentoo, I like Ubuntu because I don't to think as much to use it.03:16
shane2peruchrisf826: ahh, slackware user, that was my next guess03:17
chrisf826ripps: ubuntu seems to give me the best of both world's03:17
shane2peruripps: I setup gentoo several times just to get the learning experience, too much work to keep up with03:17
mneptokmunh ... that reminds me i have to update OpenBSD on my Mac68K. bleh.03:17
chrisf826shane: slakware, windows 2000 , xp, server 2003/ and 2008 and now ubuntu03:17
ethana2mneptok: wow03:17
shane2peruchrisf826: I setup slackware a few times too, Ubuntu is just easier on me. :)03:17
chrisf826shane: i also did beta testing for ms's msi group03:17
rippsGentoo is a great learning tool. Really get to understand the linux archetecture03:17
chrisf826so i am used to getting my hands dirty for installing things03:18
shane2peruripps: yes, it was fun building it03:18
rippsBut I prefer Ubuntu, because it just so damn convienient03:18
mneptokethana2: that machine was Canonical's Montreal webserver for a while :)03:18
shane2peruchrisf826: right, I'm not a programmer, just a user, I enjoy learning about the OS though.03:18
chrisf826shane: msi is microsoft's installation system just like apt and dpkg is for us03:18
shane2peruchrisf826: I used Windows from 3.1 until XP, now 100% Linux03:19
DanaG... but MSI can fail to uninstalll, quite a lot more often.03:19
chrisf826shane: i ended up having to know the dpendancies of windows and linux03:19
chrisf826of each lib and component03:19
mneptokDanaG: and fail to uninstall completely or correctly almost 100% of the time ;)03:19
_jgooToddEDM: GOod question, I can't imagine too many changes...03:19
shane2peruchrisf826: I really know nothing of windows, it doesn't teach you much about itself. lol03:19
chrisf826i have to know pretty much wat each file does03:20
Zackymc_kcan anyone at lest tell me where to post 8.04 forums...do i just post them at ubuntufourms.org?03:20
shane2peruchrisf826: other than desktop usage. :)03:20
DanaGWhat's worse is InstallShield -- you can't extract it easily!03:20
mneptokZackymc_k: what video chipset do you have?03:20
ToddEDM_jgoo:  someone in #ubuntu just told me there have been updates03:20
_jgooToddEDM: However, I wouldn't imagine too many new builds, that iso could be weeks old... does it have a 'build' date? I downloaded a few days ago and then it upgraded with over 500 new files.03:21
chrisf826danag: well with debian based linuxen. its easy for someone like me to clean up a trashed install03:21
towlie2is anything supposed to change in 8.04 between today and thursday ?03:21
chrisf826almost all of debian is configured with a text based file03:21
_jgoohey, I just got 90 updates :-)03:22
ToddEDMlol03:22
chrisf826no registry or nothing to get a headache over03:22
Zackymc_kmneptok: the card? where do i get that info in hardy its different03:22
Zackymc_kthan gutsy03:22
chrisf826i bet i am gonna have to recompile my kernel packages hahaha03:22
chrisf826on thursday?03:23
chrisf826to have a current one03:23
towlie2is anything supposed to change in 8.04 between today and thursday ?03:23
theone_nothing big no03:24
ToddEDM_jgoo:  if i install now with the release candidate that is available, will it just update to whatever is released on thursday?03:24
jbroomeyes03:24
jbroome!final | ToddEDM03:24
ubotuToddEDM: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.03:24
theone_easy peasy03:24
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ToddEDMcoo03:24
ToddEDMudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:25
ToddEDMthats the command?03:25
jbroome*sudo03:25
ToddEDMyeah03:25
jbroomebut, yeah03:25
ToddEDM;)03:25
ToddEDMwill this upgrade me from gutsy?03:26
chrisf826i am confused on what packages of source code i need for the kernel restricted modules03:26
h3sp4wnI am convinced my box is in much more of a mess03:26
chrisf826i am using 2.6.24.1603:26
DanaGHeh, Intrepid makes me think of some SUV -- bad.03:26
h3sp4wnthan it would be fresh03:26
theone_if you change your sources.list file03:26
rippsWhoa.... my entire desktop just crashed there...03:26
chrisf826does apt have access to ready packaged source code?03:26
Zackymc_kmneptok: nvidia03:26
theone_point your sources to hardy and make sure you have everything backed up03:26
chrisf826available for download?03:26
h3sp4wnchrisf826: linux-restricted-modules | 2.6.24.16.18 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Packages03:26
NickPrestaI've having trouble with the nvidia-glx-new packages. I installed the package but I have no way to enable them. Manually editing xorg.conf to use 'nvidia' results in a bad configuration and I have to go back to nv. How should I proceed?03:27
mneptokZackymc_k: what nVidia?03:27
chrisf826h3sp4wn: that is the source or binaries?03:27
h3sp4wnchrisf826: Unfortunately its full of all sorts of stuff you don't need03:27
mneptokZackymc_k: lspci -vvvv | grep VGA03:27
h3sp4wn(i.e a binary vmware)03:27
kahrytanHow do you terminate a root app thats taking majority of my cpu?03:27
h3sp4wnapt-get source linux-restricted-modules03:28
h3sp4wn]#03:28
chrisf826thank you :)03:28
chrisf826i can add them to my make-kpkg jobs? :)03:28
mneptokNickPresta: sudo nvidia-xconfig03:28
rippskahrytan: sudo killall03:28
ToddEDMhey, do you guys know of anywhere that i can use free online storage?03:28
h3sp4wnkahrytan: sudo pkill name of app03:28
NickPrestamneptok, I've done that. I restart X and I get the displayconfig-gtk dialog telling me I have an unusable configuration.03:28
h3sp4wnchrisf826: If you just want to do that then its even easier03:29
_jgooOT: Wifi antennas - you have two on a typical linksys - are they different? I have a G setup - I want to put larger antennas - should I replace both of these? Also, how to improve range of iPhone wifi. OT I know :p03:29
chrisf826h3sp4wn: that is what i would like to do, i want everything matching my processor03:29
kahrytanripps, h3sp4wn nope. didnt work03:29
_jgooToddEDM: Dropbox is awesome, erm... they haven't released their linux client htough03:29
mneptokNickPresta: is your chipset supported by nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?03:29
_jgooToddEDM: you can use gmail for 20mb files03:29
chrisf826i am gonna install the current svn of linuxtv's v4l03:29
rippswhat's the app?03:29
chrisf826and i need the whole mess the same compile flags03:29
h3sp4wnnvidia-new-kernel-source nvidia-legacy-kernel-source03:29
kahrytanripps-> whiptail?03:29
chrisf826and processor :)03:29
NickPrestamneptok, yep. I've been using this card since Feisty. nvidia-glx-new works. Its a 7900 GS, if it matters.03:29
kahrytanripps->  and its sucking 95%03:30
h3sp4wnchrisf826: are you using gcc 4.3 ?03:30
chrisf8264.2.303:30
kahrytanWhat is whiptail?03:30
h3sp4wnchrisf826: With what cpu ?03:30
chrisf826p4 stepping 0903:30
chrisf8262.6 ghz03:30
shane2perudoes anyone know what package needs installed for my xfce-desktop sound?03:30
shane2peruit wasn't installed when I installed xubuntu-desktop03:31
h3sp4wnOk - I wast03:31
h3sp4wnthinking of trying gcc-snapshot on my core203:31
Fdisk93are there any problems wiht 8.04 an Nvidia gforce 8600 gt ??03:31
Zackymc_kmneptok: Geforce 6150 go03:31
h3sp4wnFdisk93: Not if you are not bothered with compiz I would guess03:31
mneptokNickPresta: your chipset is supported by nvidia-glx, not nvidia-glx-new03:32
Fdisk93i normaly use compiz03:32
Snic42Hey there, made the leap to Hardy today and I've been running into fun issues getting Compiz running on an ATI 9100 IGP. Anyone else run into any issues with this card? Or know of a good solution? This was all working fine under Gutsy03:32
h3sp4wn7xxx is definately supported by glx-new03:32
NickPrestamneptok, that's strange. restricted-manager in Gutsy installed -new. I will make the adjustment.03:32
h3sp4wneven 6xxx is03:32
mneptokNickPresta: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx03:33
mneptokZackymc_k: how did you install the nVidia driver?03:33
chrisf826h3: i have a 2xxxx03:33
chrisf826geforce2 mx 40003:33
h3sp4wnNickPresta: If you have the choice just see which one is least buggy03:33
Zackymc_kthrough  "Hardware Drivers"03:33
mneptokZackymc_k: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings03:34
mneptokchrisf826: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy03:34
* mneptok is the nVidia guy tonight :/03:34
chrisf826yeah i have done that, now i am gonna compile the thing03:34
chrisf826for my shiney new kernel03:35
h3sp4wnjust get nvidia-legacy-kernel-source03:35
DanaGArgh, I can't print to a turned-off printer -- yet I used to be able to do so.03:35
h3sp4wnand then there is a few ways you can go about compiling it03:35
DanaGI should be able to send the job to the printer, and then turn the printer on later.03:35
h3sp4wnI cannot even work out how to put the paper into my printer03:35
h3sp4wn(I haven't tried too hard yet though()03:36
chrisf826finally i taught apt to pull source03:36
DanaGOh, better still: the print button in Evince is grayed out.03:36
chrisf826cool03:36
DanaGWhat gives?03:36
chrisf826!03:36
Fdisk93on a clean install of 8.04 should it pick the right driver for my card Nvidia gforce 8600 gt ??03:36
Snic42Anyone else having issues with direct rendering in Hardy with older ATI cards?03:36
DanaGLET ME PRINT!03:37
Fdisk93or will i need to enable it in the restickted drivers ?03:37
DanaGStupid Evince!03:37
DanaGWhat the ???????03:37
* DanaG goes off hollering at 'cups'03:38
Fdisk93*restrickted03:38
rippsDoesn't EnvyNG handle Nvidia installs?03:38
DanaGWhat's up with that?03:38
DanaGIt won't let me print!03:38
DanaGTo ANY printer!03:38
BoohbahDanaG: give it a swift kick in the rear!03:41
DanaGArgh, I had to pdftops it and then lp it.03:41
DanaGHow's that for intuitive?03:41
DanaGThat's way messed up.03:41
DanaGOh, and it goes like this:03:42
DanaGspin up.  print page.  spin down.03:42
DanaGspin up.  print page.  spin down.03:42
DanaGspin up.  print page.  spin down.03:42
DanaGInstead of spin up, print ALL pages, spin down.03:42
chrisf826gosh03:42
chrisf826the restricted modules is a pain to compile03:43
NickPrestamneptok, well, I removed -new, installed nvidia-glx. I ran nvidia-xconfig, made sure it actually put nvidia in xorg.conf. Restart X. Bad configuration error. More information about the failed upgrade from Gutsy here: http://pastebin.ca/99407103:43
chrisf826it wants to break what flags i configured growl03:43
mneptokNickPresta: try dpkg-reconfigure -pigh xserver-xorg03:44
RAOFchrisf826: Why are you compiling the restricted modules again? :)03:44
DanaGAnd for a 12-page document, that one-page-at-a-time thing is really really irritating.03:44
DanaGAnd wastes quite a bit of time, too.03:44
chrisf826ra: i am compiling a kernel without SMP03:44
NickPrestamneptok, yep. Did that. It creates a skeleton xorg.conf. I added the nvidia line, no good.03:44
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mneptokNickPresta: you need to stop editing by hand03:45
chrisf826not a good idea to mix modules with _SMP_ and without03:45
chrisf826in the symbol tables03:45
mneptokNickPresta: it prevents the new autoconfigurator from working03:45
RAOFchrisf826: If you're using IA32, the -386 kernel is built without SMP.03:45
mdlueckDanaG, sounds like slow I/O speed somewhere between "the computer" and "the printer"... Priter gets sick of waiting and spins down03:45
RAOFchrisf826: As are all the relevant extra packages, obviously.03:45
DanaGNo, it's more about how the thing sends the documents to the printer.03:45
mneptokchrisf826: why do you need to compile without SMP?03:45
DanaGIt's always been like that -- whether networked, or local.03:45
NickPrestamneptok, okay. So run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg. Then run 'nvidia-xconfig'. Then restart X and it should be fine?03:45
chrisf826mnemo: : i am not on a dual core or greater box03:46
mneptokNickPresta: we can hope! :)03:46
NickPrestamneptok, heh okay. Thanks for the help thus far. I appreciate it.03:46
mneptokchrisf826: so?03:46
chrisf826mnemo: : i am stuck on a traditional p4 procesor03:46
mdlueckDanaG, what type of printer are we talking about?03:46
Flannelchrisf826: The generic kernel will work fine for you.03:46
mneptokchrisf826: so?03:46
chrisf826plus i want to try out ubuntu's kernel development facilities :)03:47
chrisf826that is one thing i love to do03:47
Zackymc_kmneptok: Removing nvidia-glx-new ...03:47
Zackymc_kdpkg-divert: error checking `/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory03:47
Zackymc_kdpkg: error processing nvidia-glx-new (--remove):03:47
Zackymc_k subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 203:47
Zackymc_kErrors were encountered while processing:03:47
Zackymc_k nvidia-glx-new03:47
Zackymc_kE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)03:47
Zackymc_ksory03:47
mneptokZackymc_k: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings03:47
Zackymc_kthats what i did03:47
RAOFZackymc_k: Oh!  You've hit that too?03:47
DanaGSamsung ML-1210 in one case, HP Laserjet 8150DN in the other.03:47
mneptokchrisf826: Ubuntu's kernel dev facilities are usually referred to as "the kernel team" ;)03:47
DanaGThe latter is the networked one.03:47
RAOFZackymc_k: Strange, you're the second person I've seen with that problem.03:48
Scorp_can someone help me with a wubi install for hardy?03:48
GhotiPhudZackymc_k, try 'sudo dpkg --configure a'03:48
DanaGnvidia-glx-new has some new version available:03:48
DanaGArgh, I HATE this new scheduler!03:48
DanaGIt make seveything slow and sucky.03:48
mdlueckDanaG, when network, printing via CUPS, Samba, ???03:48
DanaGEven typing.03:48
chrisf826mnemo: : the build facilities are pretty nice03:48
DanaGCUPS to an LPR server.03:49
DanaGHate Hate Hate this "Completely Fair Scheduler"03:49
DanaG"Completely Fair" my $BODY_PART03:49
Zackymc_kRAOF: Errors encountered while processing; a03:50
Scorp_I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs03:50
orion1Hey guys i am having trouble deleting stuff from my trash can. Also i can not find my trash can from the commandline. Is it not located at ~/.Trash?03:50
jscinozhmm03:50
RAOFZackymc_k: Yeah; I'm searching for the bug report that you're experiencing.03:50
mdlueckDanaG, I do not happen to have LPR. I run Samba to CUPS to the printers, works great... My complaint is "sometimes" it sends A4 paper size and the printer complains.03:50
DanaGOh, and now....03:50
RAOForion1: No, it's not at ~/.Trash.  It's now in ~/.local/share/Trash.03:50
DanaGI printed a 12-page document... and it printed 10 pages then stopped.03:50
GhotiPhudoops, Zackymc_k, should have been 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'03:50
DanaGAnd now, 5 minutes later, it's printing the last two.03:51
orion1RAOF: why did they change that?03:51
mneptokNickPresta: and ... ?03:51
IdleOneDanaG: it needed a break03:51
jscinoztotem crashed and its eating 100% CPU, and it ignores being killed with both KILL, QUIT, even survives SEGV, any ideas why this process can't be killed?03:51
DanaGDidn03:51
NickPrestaBad configuration still.03:51
DanaGdidn't do that in Gutsy.03:51
mneptokNickPresta: bah.03:51
* mneptok hates X today03:51
mneptok*h a t e s*03:51
Scorp_I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs.03:51
IdleOnejscinoz: zombied03:51
NickPrestamneptok, is there any sort of way I can confirm that X is using the nvidia driver (or that the nvidia can even be used)?03:51
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: ctrl-alt-backspace?03:51
DanaGOh, and imagine that.... the Print button is now enabled.03:51
vhaarrHello, the last 2 days after running Hardy for some time, I am suddenly unable to sudo any more, I just get a message saying "sudo: unable to resolve host <host>".03:52
vhaarrAnyone know what could be causing this?03:52
DanaGbug 18822603:52
RAOForion1: A number of reasons.  It's the new XDG trash standard location.03:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18822603:52
mneptokNickPresta: lsmod should tell you03:52
GhotiPhudyou're trying to fix the dpkg error yes?03:52
aeroncaI just installed the RC...I am trying to identify my monitor so I can use a higher refresh rate...for the life of me I cannot find where to do that03:52
mdlueck"Oh, and imagine that.... the Print button is now enabled." hee hee hee... "Details, details... who needs print buttons anyway!?!!" ;-)03:52
mneptokGhotiPhud: mmmm .... flakes.03:52
Scorp_can someone here help me with wubi?03:52
RAOFjscinoz: It's waiting in the kernel, and hence never gets any chance to respond to those signals?03:52
IdleOneScorp_: ask a specific question03:53
Scorp_I did03:53
Scorp_I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs03:53
NickPrestamneptok, nvidia is in the listing from lsmod. *shrugs* I'm stumped.03:53
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: i ran the code03:53
jscinozRAOF, strange that totem could do that though03:53
GhotiPhudwill it now install the program?03:53
jscinozrunnign as an underpriveleged user.03:53
DanaGMaybe magic-sysrq can kill it?03:54
DanaGThe Totem.03:54
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: nope03:54
RAOFjscinoz: Not if it's calling into X, which calls into the driver, which calls into the drm kernel module :)03:54
GhotiPhuddarn, that's all I've got03:55
GhotiPhudhad that problem earlier today03:55
GhotiPhudthat fixed it03:55
towlie_so should i just wait or upgrade now03:55
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: should i restart X?03:55
GhotiPhudyou might try a full restart03:55
markus__moin moin03:56
markus__was bedeutet Daily Build03:56
Scorp_can anyone here help me with a wubi install?03:56
Scorp_?03:56
jscinozraof.. drm as in direct rendering manager?03:56
RAOFjscinoz: Yes.03:56
aeroncacan someone please tell me how to change my monitor settings on Hardy RC so I can run the proper refresh rate03:56
towlie_what do you guys think ?03:56
GhotiPhudScorp_, I've never used wubi03:56
GhotiPhudbut I can try03:56
Scorp_GhotiPhud: ok thanks, I'm having problems with wubi, after I boot up it shows a black screen with intaramfs03:57
DanaGIs there a way to WUBI to a partition?03:57
towlie_so should i just wait or upgrade now03:57
jscinozRAOF, so is there any way tos top this process without a reboot or X restart03:57
DanaGOr start a netinstall without a CD?03:57
Scorp_GhotiPhud: it did this right after I installed03:57
GhotiPhudI'm not exactly sure how it works, when you boot it gives you boot options?03:57
GhotiPhudthen you choose ubuntu right?03:58
RAOFjscinoz: I don't think so, actually, and I'm not sure that an X restart will kill it.03:58
RAOFFor future reference, orion1 was probably seeing bug #3662503:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3662503:58
jscinozraof ack >_<03:59
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: still zip on the nvidia driver install03:59
GhotiPhudthat's odd03:59
aeroncaI know it's simple....but I can't find it..how do I define my monitor so I can run higher refresh rates03:59
GhotiPhudwhat was the error it was giving?03:59
RAOFaeronca: Which driver?  Using one of the free drivers, System->Preferences->Screen Resolution should allow you to change the refresh rate.04:00
Zackymc_kE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)04:00
GhotiPhudah04:00
towlie_so should i just wait or upgrade now to 8.0404:00
GhotiPhudit could be a bad package04:00
RAOFaeronca: If you're fiddling around with xorg.conf, stop; it's not going to be useful :)04:00
GhotiPhudyou might have to use envyNG or wait till they fix that one04:00
* DanaG hopes people stop touting dpkg-reconfigure as the solution to any and all X issues.04:01
RAOFZackymc_k: What's the full error (pastebin if necessary).  Is it bug #36625+04:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3662504:01
DanaGI still need my xorg.conf for mouse stuff, though.04:01
Zackymc_k RAOF: pastebin if necessary? sorry im new to this irc thing :)04:02
markus__was heißt  Ubuntu 8.04 Daily Build04:02
GhotiPhudtowlie_, if you wait two days, you'll be able to burn a cd that will be good for a while, but if you burn it today, you'll most likely have to do tons of updates if you ever install it on someone else's computer04:02
aeroncausing the Nvidia driver.....going to Pref>Screen Res gives me 50 or 51hz......the monitor should be capable of 75, and I have changed it up to at least 60ish in the beta releases of Hardy.....I had to specifically define my monitor (as a Dell 1704FPT), but after I defined my monitor I was able to set higher refresh rates04:02
GhotiPhudI find it better to have the full release version04:02
h3sp4wnGhotiPhud: Judging by past experience its likely you will have tons of updates anyway04:03
aeroncaand for the life of me I can't find where to do that on the Hardy RC04:03
GhotiPhudif you're upgrading a Gutsy install, it will go faster to wait for the CD and upgrade from that then downloading right now04:03
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RAOFaeronca: Ah.  This is the nvidia driver being stupid; it mis-reports the refresh rate.04:03
GhotiPhudthe servers will be a little booked04:03
RAOFaeronca:04:04
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RAOFaeronca: This is deliberate.  In order to change the refresh rate you want install the 'nvidia-settings' package, and then run it.04:04
* DanaG reaches into the end of June and hugs the ATI he will have then.04:04
DanaGSure, it may be crappy... but at least it'll have open-source specs.04:04
RAOFaeronca: On the other hand, since it's a flat panel it shouldn't make _that_ much difference 60Hz or 75Hz.04:05
DanaGAnd thus, an open-source driver... with support from the manufacturer!04:05
RAOFDanaG: Gasp!  Surely not!04:05
cppmonkeyI am having problems with Ubuntu 8.04 locking up straight after logging it. I am currently running it from the console to connect and updated it from there but my wireless uses WPA encryption, so i cant get on to it.04:06
DanaGAnd at least ATI now has revived Hydravision (their multi-desktop thingy) for Vista; nvidia still doesn't have an nView out.04:06
h3sp4wnI think next desktop card I get will be a matrox of some description04:06
RAOFDanaG: And their open-source drivers will, or do, support xrandr 1.2, for frikkin awesome multi-head.04:06
aeroncathank you RAOF for the help04:07
DanaGI just wish AMD's CPUs were better -- or at least, I wish companies wouldn't pair the Turion with low-end-only GPUs.04:07
h3sp4wnRAOF: The problem is that xrandr is still incomplete in terms of support from the DE's04:08
JPSmanis it possible to upgrade from 7.10 from a hardy CD?04:08
DanaGOh yeah, RAOF: do you have ATI or nvidia?04:08
Zackymc_kRAOF: pastebin???04:08
JPSmannot install, just upgrade04:08
GhotiPhud JPSman, yes it is04:08
RAOFh3sp4wn: Not that I've noticed?04:08
RAOF!pastebi | Zackymc_k04:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pastebi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:08
DanaGI'm wondering: does radeonfb get along with 'radeon' and/or 'radeonhd' ?04:08
RAOF!pastebin | Zackymc_k04:08
ubotuZackymc_k: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)04:08
RAOFDanaG: nvidia, more's the pity.04:09
DanaGIf I could get accelerated framebuffer..... that'd be so sweet.04:09
DanaGCan't get that with nvidia, either.04:09
JPSmanuh duh - Thank you GhotiPhud I found the link04:09
h3sp4wnRAOF: I tried it a few months ago and it was a complete pita04:09
Snic42Anyone else having issues with ATI cards and direct rendering04:09
RAOFh3sp4wn: Hm.  Whereas for me it Just Works in GNOME.04:09
h3sp4wnRAOF: Only e17 by default did anything sensible04:09
RAOFMmm, rss-glx on nouveau :)04:09
h3sp4wnIn gnome the dpi was wrong04:10
h3sp4wnand only part of the screen was used04:10
RAOFh3sp4wn: Oh, right.  Yes, it will be.  On the other hand, that's something that you should set in the font preferences.04:10
RAOFh3sp4wn: That sounds like a compiz issue?04:10
alex_mayorgaRAOF, is there a user guide for noveau already?04:10
h3sp4wnRAOF: I cannot use compiz04:10
h3sp4wntwinview works now with all the issues that currently04:10
RAOFalex_mayorga: nouveau.freedesktop.org ?04:10
h3sp4wngrr - e17 scales it all sensibly04:11
Snic42I had Compiz running just fine in Gutsy on my notebook. But in Hardy I can't for the life of me get direct render support on this.04:11
h3sp4wnso it looks fine cloned with all the dpi etc fine04:11
alex_mayorgaRAOF: is it Hardy packaged?04:11
RAOFalex_mayorga: Hell, no.04:11
RAOFExcept in that...04:11
RAOF!nouveau04:11
ubotuNouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive04:11
RAOFexists.04:11
kunkunHA Jack it works!04:11
RAOFAnd the 3d support isn't packaged there, at the explicit request of upstream.04:12
Zackymc_kRAOF: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64059/04:12
RAOFZackymc_k: Right.  You've got bug #3662504:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3662504:12
Zackymc_kRAOF: how to fix it... or is there one(a fix)04:13
RAOFZackymc_k: The bug report has a work around.04:13
Zackymc_kRAOF: i forgot about links :)04:14
DanaGMy next notebook... I'm considering 1920x1200 at 15".04:14
DanaG15.4, to be exact.04:14
RAOFalex_mayorga: If everything goes well, Intrepid will hopefully have the kernel interfaces required to make nouveau work; Currently you require a git snapshot of important stuff.04:14
RAOFAnyway, luncheon beckons.04:15
alex_mayorgaRAOF, would you like to help me to regain my X04:15
DanaGLunch?04:15
DanaGWhat time zone?04:15
DanaGTue Apr 22 20:15:18 PDT 200804:15
DanaGThat's mine.04:15
alex_mayorgahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/14670604:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged]04:15
ecubuntu_Hello everybody, can somebody help me with me wireless network conf?04:15
JPSmannm that didn't work04:16
cppmonkeyhelp with wireless WPA configuration please04:17
GhotiPhudwhat didn't work  JPSman?04:17
ecubuntu_mee to04:17
ecubuntu_cppmonkey, what kind of problem u have?04:18
Snic42Don't suppose anyone else is using a Toshiba Satelite A75 notebook?04:18
JPSmanGhotiPhud: gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"   didn't do anything04:18
DanaGAnother thing I'll be ditching in summer:04:18
DanaGCreative.04:18
JPSmanthere is no /cdromupgrade on this cd04:18
h3sp4wnecubuntu_: What is wrong with it04:19
Snic42Or any system with an ATI 9100 IGP really04:19
GhotiPhudah, I was going to suggest insert CD... add to sources list... upgrade04:19
DanaGI'll replace it with a USB C-Media device... or a Cardbus one, if I'm really lucky.04:19
DanaG9100IGP is left out even in Windows, I hear.04:19
ecubuntu_i can get access to my own wireless network04:19
GhotiPhudI think you might have to disconnect from internet to force the cd04:19
ecubuntu_on my house04:19
DanaGcan?04:20
GhotiPhudbecause it won't have all the latest packages04:20
DanaGforgot an apostrophe and the letter t?04:20
ecubuntu_h3sp4wn,04:20
cppmonkeyecubuntu Gnome is locking up as soon as I loggin, so Im trying to update it via the console but I need to enter the WPA key, I have selected the wireless channel and Im getting a good signal strenth04:20
Snic42The thing was working fine in Gutsy, that's the bit that's bugging me04:20
JPSmanGhotiPhud: So cut the net and Alt-F2 and update-manager --devel-release ?04:20
ecubuntu_wow wow wow cppmonkey04:21
GhotiPhudI think you need to add in Software Sources menu04:21
GhotiPhudlet me look and see04:21
DanaGOh yeah, AMD is going to be at the job fair at Cal Poly this spring.04:22
DanaGCool.04:22
JPSmanGhotiPhud: Ok thank you :OD04:22
ecubuntu_i have the same confg on my mother office h3sp4wn via WPA and i can get internet access but in my house i can not04:22
GhotiPhudok, CD in... System>Admin>Software Sources... Ubuntu Software tab... check the CD rom04:23
GhotiPhudwait04:23
GhotiPhudThird-Party Software tab... add CD-ROM04:23
naught102can anyone confirm that ffmpeg in hardy isn't built with AC3 input support?04:24
h3sp4wnecubuntu_: What country are you in04:25
edugonchHello, how I can install ubuntu 8.04 from the alternate install in a minimal installation (text only)04:25
AutoMatriXis there someboye who succeeded to synchronise a Nokia6610 5Cellular) over IR with evolution ? I never achieved it under gutsy and lower ... wondering iff  it's possible in Hardy ?04:26
jbroomeedugonch: use the alternate cd04:26
ecubuntu_:( USA04:26
h3sp4wnedugonch: just select the option to install a server04:26
ecubuntu_h3sp4wn,04:26
jbroomeno, not a server04:26
edugonchI didn't see that option in the alternate cd04:26
jbroomethere's an option on the alt cd for a text only system04:26
h3sp4wnThats tezxt only04:26
anmarHello guys04:27
anmarI am looking to install the ATI catalyst04:27
anmarControl center app04:27
anmaris it a deb ?04:27
anmaror I have to install it from source?04:28
jbroomeh3sp4wn: that's what he asked for04:28
anmarI have my Xorg fully installed and up and running with compiz working out fine but wanted to tweak things using the catalyst control center.04:29
edugonchIn this moment I have the alternate cd boot screen and I have --.> Install Ubuntu, Check Cd for defects, Rescue a broken system, test memory, boot from first hard disk04:29
anmarI do have the fglrx restricted module already installed and running.04:29
edugonchI can't see a text only option04:30
DanaGRandom thing: http://linux.die.net/man/3/xevie04:30
GhotiPhudgo to install ubuntu04:30
GhotiPhudit'll be past that04:31
Fritzelwhat's the easiest way to go about resizing an ext3 partition I want to make some room for windows04:31
anmarhey guys. Sorry I think I managed to get it... Sorry for the bother04:32
GhotiPhudFritzel: pop in a live cd, then use the partition editor04:32
rippsamar: EnvyNG will install the latest driver along with control center. (Control center doesn't do much though)04:32
edugonchI first use "Install Ubuntu" but I needed to stop when started to install the X server04:32
Fritzelit'll handle it? ok good deal, next question, how difficult is it to restore the boot loader after it gets replaced?04:33
h3sp4wnedugonch: What are the choices there is one that is cli only04:33
JPSmanGhotiPhud: Its stuck on "Umounting CD-ROM..."04:33
Zackymc_kRAOF: you still there?04:33
h3sp4wn(or failing that just use the server cd)04:33
GhotiPhudyou're shutting down JPSman?04:34
edugonch<h3sp4wn> I can't see it, I told you the options That i can see  --.> Install Ubuntu, Check Cd for defects, Rescue a broken system, test memory, boot from first hard disk04:34
demonsporkso, what is the name of the next release of ubuntu after hardy heron?04:34
GhotiPhudFritzel, it's fairly easy04:34
h3sp4wnedugonch: That is not the alternative cd then04:34
JPSmanGhotiPhud: No - hrm, ok once I tell where to look for software, how do I start the upgrade process from the CD?04:34
GhotiPhudI'll try and find a walkthrough04:34
edugonchThat's the image that I download04:34
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: can you give me a hand with my bug?04:34
h3sp4wnThere looks like there is a way with ubiquiti but I haven't quite found it yet04:35
edugonchubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso04:35
FritzelGhotiPhud, do you happen to know how in case I have troubles getting back in here for some unforseen reason? just the utility to use should be enough info04:35
GhotiPhudFritzel, here's the grub link http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/04:35
edugonchThat's the image that I download04:36
edugonchAnd I'm using to install the system04:36
JPSmanedugonch: is that torrentable?04:36
edugonchno, I download from the first mirror that I see in the ubuntu page04:37
DanaGDon't use first; use the best.04:37
DanaGTry to find universities and such.04:37
GhotiPhudZackymc_k, the bug with Nvidia driver?04:37
DanaGThey can often have high bandwidth.04:37
edugonchhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso04:37
edugonchthat's the mirror that I used04:37
JPSmanDanaG: do you have to DL and burn the -alternate- to do the upgrade from a CD?04:38
JPSmanbecause I used the -desktop- iso on a CD and am trying to upgrade - if its possible04:38
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/36625 and im kinda a noob so i cant tell with one is the fix.04:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36625 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "can't remove nvidia-glx" [Medium,New]04:38
Zackymc_kif you have time04:39
edugonchI just want to know if the installation method changed in this new version of ubuntu04:39
JPSmanHow do you mean edugonch?04:39
GhotiPhudZackymc_k, try 'sudo rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2'04:39
FritzelGhotiPhud, ok so then really being that my main current drive is /dev/sda I would as I understand it, I would enter grub, then type setup (sda)  does that sound correct?04:39
GhotiPhudno, grub uses different naming04:40
edugonchThat I can't find the text install option.... I want to know if I downloaded the correct image04:40
FritzelGhotiPhud, ok is that find command inside grub or is that the one outside?04:40
Fritzelif it's inside and it shows disk sizes I should be good since my /boot is a 100mb partition04:41
DanaGYou may be able to loop-mount the CD.04:41
Fritzeleh nevermind I should be able to figure it out ^^04:41
GhotiPhudyou want to "sudo grub"04:41
GhotiPhudthen find ...04:41
GhotiPhudthen root04:41
GhotiPhudthen setup04:41
GhotiPhudit's pretty easy04:42
JPSmanDanaG heh "loop-mount" ?04:42
JPSmansounds, recursive04:42
DanaGnope.04:42
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: nope still the damn error04:42
Fritzelok fair enough, thanks04:43
GhotiPhudto fix the situation, the file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 has to be manually erased. The package nvidia-glx can then be removed. To get the normal non-nvidia libGL file back, the package libgl1-mesa has to be reinstalled: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa.04:43
GhotiPhudthat's what I found on the bug04:43
GhotiPhuddid you try the apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa.?04:43
DanaG'aptitude reinstall' is easier04:44
ubuntucool123just installed ubuntu 8.04 RC on ThinkPad R30. When I rebooted I got grub error 17. any idea?04:44
edugonchHere a screenshot of the boot screen ----> http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuscreenfe2.jpg04:46
edugonchI can't see a text install option04:47
GhotiPhudgo to install ubuntu04:47
edugonchI did it but04:47
edugonchit started to install the x server04:48
Black_Magiccould someone help me with internet...?04:48
GhotiPhudyou have the alternate disk?04:48
edugonchyes04:48
ubuntucool123?04:48
edugonchwell that was what I download04:48
edugonchhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso04:48
Black_Magicim still having problems with internet and i dont have an idea what it is :/04:49
ubuntucool123i have no idea why i get grub error 17 :(04:49
GhotiPhudisn't 17 where it can't find the grub partition?04:50
GhotiPhudyou might have to restore grub04:50
GhotiPhudhttp://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/04:50
ubuntucool123how do i restore grub?04:50
ubuntucool123ok thanks04:50
GhotiPhudyou can do that with the live cd04:50
GhotiPhudignore the redhat thing04:51
GhotiPhudit's all the same04:51
Black_Magicso if anyone can help its verry much apreciated04:51
GhotiPhudBlack_Magic, internet meaning wireless? or wired? or both?04:52
ubuntucool123could it be that i need the boot partition to be first on the disk? I might have set it up wrong...04:54
GhotiPhudit doesn't have to be first04:54
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64062/    is my error now04:54
GhotiPhudZackymc_k, the repos are still in flux, this has happened with a few packages04:55
GhotiPhudI'm not sure what to tell you04:55
Zackymc_kso will there be a fix in a update or release date of hardy?04:56
GhotiPhudmost likely, or soon after04:56
peepsalotRAOF, you around?04:56
GhotiPhudI've heard it recommended that people wait a few weeks after the releases so these type of small bugs shake out04:57
ToddEDMhey guys, i was wondering what that command to upgrade to hardy was that someone pasted04:57
peepsalotRAOF, i was finally able to remove nvidia-glx-new, so I'm trying the nouveau drivers, but I'm stuck in "Low Graphics Mode".  I'm guessing I'm missing some xorg.conf issues.  i think you sent me a link to your xorg.conf the other day, but I can't find it now.04:58
jbroome!upgrade | ToddEDM04:58
ubotuToddEDM: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes04:58
ToddEDMwould it be any different if i did a fresh install, or should it be ok04:59
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: I have the Hp pavilion tx1499  ... i have no wifi, no nvidia and no sound and no touch screen and i cant install anything form add and remove...should i just reinstall 7.10 for a few more weeks?05:00
GhotiPhudI'd say it would be a good bet05:01
RAOFpeepsalot: http://pastebin.ca/99412405:01
GhotiPhudhow do you like that tablet by the way05:01
GhotiPhudI've been looking at those05:01
DanaGARGH!05:02
DanaGWine is singularly unusable on my machine.05:02
DanaGI type one capital letter, and SHIFT GETS STUCK DOWN FOREVER THEREAFTER>05:02
DanaG(I"M IMITATING THE RESULT)05:02
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Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: and just discovered that i have no screen saver too.... im going back to 7.10. if i reinstall... will my boot parameters still be there (noapic irqpoll) and the tablet it awesome i live it and it came with 3gb of ram... but it rocks05:03
Zackymc_klove it*05:03
DanaGBetter back up xorg.conf.05:04
DanaGNew one doesn't include tablet stuff.05:04
GhotiPhudboot parameters don't carry over05:05
ToddEDMoooooooooooh im upgrading.. this is intense!05:05
ToddEDMhaha05:05
Zackymc_kok thanks for the help05:06
ToddEDM1 hour remaining! wow05:07
ToddEDM1.5 hours.. uhhg05:07
iMatterWould anyone know if DHCLIENT is faulty in hardy?05:07
iMatterit doesnt seem to work anymore05:07
iMatterjust gives permission denied05:07
Zackymc_kwhat is a easy way to reinstall? :)05:07
iMattermatter fact anything i try and install gives that (things related to DHCP so you can manually do the CLI thing)05:08
iMatteri tried dhclient and dhcpcd those dont work05:08
GhotiPhudZackymc_k, do you have your /home in a separate partition?05:08
iMatteryes with root privilages05:08
GhotiPhudif not, while you're reinstalling, I suggest setting it up05:08
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: if i have vista and i want to reinstall ubuntu how would i do that...in vista just delete the ubuntu partition and reinstall to "free space"?05:12
Meshezabeelheya, I cannot seem to play dvds anymore, is this a common problem in hardy?05:13
GhotiPhudwhat does your ubuntu install look like?05:13
GhotiPhudhow many gigs?05:13
Zackymc_kabout 3.7... do you mean what is installed?05:14
peepsalotRAOF, what does the "Virtual 3000 2000" line do?  that is really your resolution?05:14
GhotiPhudthe partition you gave it05:14
Zackymc_koh 9.89gb05:14
peepsalotRAOF, not sure what to set mine to05:15
GhotiPhudhmmm, for me... I have 10 G for XP, 10 G for Ubuntu, 50 G for home, 1 G swap05:15
RAOFpeepsalot: The Virtual line sets the maximum possible combined resolution of all outputs plugged in.05:16
GhotiPhudI store all the OS agnostic stuff on the 50 Gb partition, such as video, music05:16
peepsalotRAOF, is it requireD?05:16
Zackymc_ki have 130gb for vista and 9.89gb for ubuntu i have 3gb of ram so... and i dont care about the files on ubuntu05:17
RAOFpeepsalot: If you want dual-head to work correctly, yes.05:17
RAOFpeepsalot: So, for my laptop with at 1680x1050 screen, and an external 1280x1024 LCD, I add up 1680+1280 and get about 3000, which is a nice round number :)05:17
GhotiPhudso, just playing around with Ubuntu?05:17
peepsalotRAOF, doesn't matter that it's over?05:18
RAOFpeepsalot: No, not really.05:18
* DanaG will likely be getting 1920x1200.... nice.05:18
DanaGI wonder... how well would an ATI HD2600 play Blu-Ray in Linux, assuming I decrypted the disk....05:18
x1250has someone been able to synchronize evolution email data with unison?05:19
DanaG... and turned off Compiz while playing.05:19
Zackymc_kmore or less i use it for the speed and to learn more about it for future use05:19
x1250synching ~/.evolution does not work05:19
RAOFpeepsalot: If you _don't_ have a Virtual line, then X sets the Virtal line to be the largest screen dimension of the currently enabled monitors.  Which, for me, would be 1680x1680, which would mean I couldn't do anything but clone.05:19
GhotiPhudyou're set then, I just separate the partition so that I can reinstall Ubuntu and keep all the settings for programs05:20
x1250I'm trying to synch my desktop evolution with my laptop05:20
peepsalotRAOF, i see, thanks05:21
Zackymc_kGhotiPhud: so do i pop the disk in then reinstall to the partition?05:21
GhotiPhudyeah05:21
iMatterWould anyone know if DHCLIENT is faulty in hardy? most client like things that have to do with DHCP dont work just gives permission denied even with sudo infront or i do su first or sudo -i even tried chmod +ing it those still dont work so makes it imposible to manually try and connect to network05:23
weasyHey I just installed and I can't seem to ssh from outside my network.05:23
weasyis there some firewall I don't know about?05:23
Zackymc_kwell if i can get the live cd to work without doin this http://picasaweb.google.com/zackymcharvest/Help/photo#519149463457909413005:24
GhotiPhudcrazyness05:25
GhotiPhudsafe graphics mode05:25
Zackymc_ksame thing05:25
GhotiPhudwhat card is in that?05:25
Meshezabeelthe ace of spades I think05:26
Zackymc_knvidia Geforce 615005:26
Meshezabeeloh, yeah, that one05:26
kunkunOhh, old card ey.05:26
LynoureiMatter: most likely not dhclient, but something with your nic05:26
GhotiPhudlol05:26
RAOFweasy: By 'outside your network', do you mean something like "I've got a router which connects to the internet & a bunch of computers connected to it"?05:27
GhotiPhudno, 9 of clubs05:27
Zackymc_kwell its stock so i gota get a new one05:27
LynoureGhotiPhud: out of nagging curiousity, is that nick pronounced 'fishfad'?05:28
RAOFweasy: If so, welcome to the fun of NAT.05:28
GhotiPhudfish food05:28
GhotiPhudlol05:28
Chris|if i do apt-get dist-upgrade from gutsy minimal installation will it be the same as hardy heron minimal installation, right?05:28
RAOFChris|: No.05:28
LynoureGhotiPhud: :)05:28
Zackymc_kso im at the partitioning do i do to manual then click the box that is the 9.89gb drive and hit next05:28
Chris|RAOF what would be the difference?05:28
RAOFChris|: If you do 'do-release-upgrade' from a gutsy minimal installation that should be the same as a hardy minimal installation.05:28
Chris|ah thanky :) RAOF05:29
GhotiPhudyes, manual05:29
RAOFChris|: The upgrader knows more, basically; it can remove things that we know aren't needed, and generally work around problems we've found.05:29
GhotiPhudyou might have to tell it to set the 10 Gig as /05:29
Chris|makes sense ty05:29
Zackymc_ksorry but...how (yes im a noob sorry)05:30
LynoureiMatter: Unless you have tried with a static ip and that has ruled out all your problems (then I'd suspect the dhcp server first)05:30
GhotiPhudoh, edit it and mount point should be "/"05:31
peepsalotRAOF, hmm, i think my card is not supported at all, i got some errors from nouveau "unknown reg ...",  "Init table comment not found",  "LVDS table revision not supported", etc05:31
weasyRaof I mean I am at work trying to SSH in and it fails05:31
Zackymc_kin partition manager?05:32
GhotiPhudin the install05:32
RAOFweasy: Yes.  And your home machine is behind a router?05:32
weasyyes05:32
RAOFweasy: Because if that is the case, you'll need to set up port forwarding on the router.05:32
weasyI have it set to dmz to my ubuntu05:32
cyclonutany design types here who'd like their name on a website?05:32
RAOFpeepsalot: Come in to #nouveau :)05:32
weasyRAOF shouldn't my dmz take care of that?05:32
RAOFweasy: I don't know, basically.05:33
Zackymc_kto make it easy can i just use the partition manager to make the current 10gb drive to free space and then use the "install to free space" option in the install?05:33
RAOFweasy: That'd depend on your router, probably.  Does it work at home, with two systems behind your NAT?05:34
GhotiPhudI think when you tell it to install to free space, it makes some swap by default05:34
Zackymc_kwhat if the swap is there already?05:34
GhotiPhudif you were wanting it all to be the root, then you may have to do manual05:34
GhotiPhudgood question05:35
weasylet me try05:35
GhotiPhudI have no clue05:35
Zackymc_kcan i make that free space as well to be safe?05:35
GhotiPhudyeah05:35
GhotiPhudthat should work05:36
SpartanII117Zackymc_k: uou still have to specify it manually.05:36
SpartanII117making it free space will work05:36
Zackymc_kokay so im gona /dev/sda4 & 5 to free space and the 10gb as well? im kinda nervous every install05:37
GhotiPhudsda4 and 5 are what?05:38
Zackymc_kone is extended and the other is linux swap05:39
GhotiPhudah, leave the extended05:39
Zackymc_kok05:39
Zackymc_kmaking it free space will give me that option to not have to do it manual "SpartanII117> Zackymc_k: uou still have to specify it manually."05:40
GhotiPhudyes05:40
WorkingOnWisewhat does it take to get a bluetooth A2DP headset working in Hardy?05:41
Zackymc_kthere is a lock next to the swap..and wont let me delete it05:42
Zackymc_kdo i hit Swapoff05:42
GhotiPhudyes05:42
RAOFWorkingOnWise: I'd hope that right-clicking on the bluetooth icon in the notification area, Preferences->Services->Audio Service should allow you to enable it there.05:42
weasyRAOF I can't get on from behind network either05:43
weasyWhat should i do?05:43
GhotiPhudsorry I can't stay longer Zackymc_k, it's nearly 1 AM here05:44
GhotiPhudbedtime05:44
WorkingOnWiseRAOF: I get Couldn't display "obex://[00:0D:FD:11:83:75]/". Host down when I try to connect.05:44
Zackymc_kis there a thanks button?05:45
DarphBoboCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xfonts-artwiz"05:45
DarphBoboartwiz fonts not available in hardy?05:45
DanaGwtf? htop thinks my uptime is 3681 days.05:46
Krzzzzhello folks05:46
nomasteryodalol05:47
Krzzzzim getting the folowing error after updating05:48
RAOFweasy: Hm.  I presume you've actually installed the openssh-server package?05:48
KrzzzzE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.05:48
Krzzzzthe install went fine05:48
Krzzzzbut when i do go ahead and enter that command it mentions a kernel image that i never installed05:48
KrzzzzProcessing triggers for initramfs-tools ...05:49
Krzzzzupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x8605:49
KrzzzzCannot find /lib/modules/2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x8605:49
Krzzzzupdate-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-rc5-zen1-x8605:49
Krzzzzdpkg: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 105:49
Krzzzzim guessin this is a bug05:49
dubbyhey anyone im running Ubuntu hardy, and have all the kde libs, as well as compiz, anycase when i run ksudoku (3d sudoku) its reallly choppy05:49
Zackymc_kWho is 32bit and 64bit savvy?05:49
SpartanII117Krzzzz: did you look at it in synaptic?05:49
SpartanII117Zackymc_k:  i kindof am05:50
Krzzzzi remember seeing it in there but never installed it05:50
Krzzzzi simply have the generic ones ending in 1605:50
Krzzzzi did an update today and then that mistake comes up05:50
Zackymc_kdo you know anything about tx100005:50
SpartanII117Krzzzz:  go in and make sure it's not installed05:50
Krzzzzit wont let me go into synaptics05:51
SpartanII117zack no, what is it?05:51
Zackymc_ktablet pc...but im wonderin if i should install the 32 bit for better compatibly?05:51
iMatterLynoure: What could the DHCP server problem be?05:52
SpartanII117compatibility should be the same on all the open drivers at least.05:52
Zackymc_kthe tx1000 has these problem with 64... sound,wifi,touch screen, nvidia, and other stuff but i wonder...if i was on 32...05:53
SpartanII117you can always try it05:54
Zackymc_knot to mention the fingerprint reader and the on-board webcam05:54
Zackymc_kok05:54
* BHSPitMonkey is shopping for a laptop05:55
LynoureiMatter: So, you tried with static already? Could be pretty much anything, check the logs on it if you manage it?05:55
xngearwhat triaged bug status mean?05:58
Zackymc_kConsidering that im going back to 7.10 i guess that i have to leave, right?05:58
weasyHow do I allow other machines to ssh into ubuntu06:02
teamcobrasudo apt-get install sshd06:02
RAOFweasy: You have acutally installed the openssh-server package, right?06:02
teamcobrahave ssh-hpn patches been applied to the ubuntu ssh?06:03
weasythere is a openssh server?06:03
weasyI am used to suse06:03
weasyeasy breezy06:03
RAOFweasy: Ah, right.  No, we don't install an ssh server by default.06:04
RAOFweasy: So, you'll need to install one before sshing in will work :)06:04
teamcobrakinda dangerous06:04
weasyso apt-get install open-ssh/06:04
teamcobrahrm, 1 day til final, I can't wait ;)06:04
RAOFweasy: openssh-server is the package you're after.06:04
teamcobrais there any jigdo-type method that would let me make an iso off today's version? ;)06:05
xngeari just used "ssh" for install it. it is not only install ssh, but also configure it and autorun, unlike fedora06:05
xngearits probably alias06:07
weasysudo apt-get install openssh-server06:07
weasyworked06:07
weasynow I can work from work lol06:07
RAOFxngear: It's a metapackage, yes.06:07
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jgooI installed the ms fonts on ubuntu, but afterwards the dialog said I need to install ... it... itt? something else... I just dismissed it.06:17
jgooI've installed the fonts, and I am using tft sub pixel smoothing, but in firefox the kerning is atrocious06:17
jgoohttp://docs.codehaus.org/display/GRAILS/Grails+Audit+Logging+Plugin < this page I am looking at06:17
jgooon mine... H ibernate compared to hibernate kerning... and gg's are too close. Is there a step I missed in improving font rendering for the web? In pidgin and other gnome apps it looks great06:18
pxw00t my upgrade to hardy went smoothly06:20
teamcobrapx: w00t w00t06:21
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n0ydWhy is it that the top gnome-panel in 8.04 cannot be removed?  Is there a way around this?06:26
pxi'm not used to how ssh now knows about the pubkeys06:26
crdlbn0yd: but the bottom one can?06:27
n0ydcrdlb: right06:27
crdlbn0yd: are you trying to remove both panels, or just one?06:27
n0ydBoth06:27
crdlbif you want to remove both, you must remove gnome-panel from the session06:27
bjronI'm having trouble connecting to my wireless with Hardy.  I booted an old Dapper CD and got connected with that, so now I'm wondering, what information should I be collecting to help identify what's different in Hardy?06:27
n0ydcrdlb: remove it from gconf?06:29
crdlbn0yd: gnome-session-remove gnome-panel might owrk06:29
n0ydcrdlb: heh, i dont think it likes that.06:30
n0ydIt just sits there, doing nothing.06:30
* n0yd trolls through gconf06:30
n0ydcrdlb: ya, I can't figure it out.  I can kill it, but of course each time I restart X it will be respawned.06:39
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Prez00bjron: what wifi hardware u got?06:42
bjronPrez00: Atheros AR5001X06:42
topylin0yd: strange. gnome-session-remove doesn't seem to be any gnome-session-removing06:43
topylin0yd: even gnome-session-remove --list doesnt work06:43
bjronPrez00: or at least that's what windows says it is - lspci reports the chipset as AR5211 (I think I just rebooted to try the Hardy CD again)06:44
n0ydtopyli: ya it doesnt do anything06:44
teamcobrabjron: use 2.6.2506:44
teamcobraI'm working on packages right now06:44
teamcobraadds ath5k hardware driver06:44
topylin0yd: never used it before though, i don't know if im doing it right06:44
bjronteamcobra: oh colo06:45
bjronerr cool06:45
n0ydya thats right06:45
topylithe man page suggests that usage is pretty straightforward06:45
Prez00teamcobra: is there a known bug un deafult hardy kernel with AR5211?06:45
bjronteamcobra: quite strange in Hardy, can see all the networks etc, and it looks like I connect, but can never get an ip06:46
Prez00bjron: did u at any point try manually configuring the interface?06:46
bjronPrez00: yea doesn't work any better06:46
Prez00bjron: this might have something to do with it, just maybe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/18520906:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 185209 in network-manager "[hardy] Manually Configuring Network Causes Massive, Unreversable, Failure" [Undecided,Confirmed]06:47
bjronoh, interesting . . .lemme I'll have to read06:47
teamcobraprez00: not sure, but I thought that more cards were added in the newer ath5k06:48
bjronbut that's why I'm about to try via the hardy livecd, just in case I screwed something up in my install06:48
teamcobraI could be wrong, I have a broadcom 4311 rev0206:48
Ragnarelhi, I got this in my syslog: "Apr 23 06:42:25 CoLD-iRiS kernel: [663351.110509] FAT: Directory bread(block 76386) failed" what mean?06:48
n0ydtopyli: meh, I just removed the gnome-panel pkg for now.06:49
n0ydGood enough06:49
topylin0yd: why do you run gnome at all? create an xsession with just enough gnome for you06:50
Prez00were any of you here when gutsy was ubuntu+1?  are there more, less, same number of bugs at this point before release compared tu gutsy?06:50
topylino0tic: window manager, the daemons you want, nautilus06:50
teamcobraPrez: I wasn't, been a slackware user for 12 years06:51
RonaldPrez00: tbh, i get a somewhat redhatty feel, while gutsy and before felt rocksolid before release to me. (around redhat 5 or 6 there was a joke, redhat likes living on the bleeding edge, but leaves the bleeding up to you)06:51
x1250damn amule. Just a moments ago a friend unplugged the router and amule begun to eat all my ram till a hard lockup06:52
x1250pretty nasty06:52
Ronaldthats an idicidual app...06:53
Ronaldwith a v06:53
Prez00yeah, seems last time there were less critical bugs at this point y cycle..06:53
n0ydtopyli: because outside of gnome-panel, I use all of gnome.06:54
Prez00goodnight all..06:54
n0ydI like a functional desktop, just not gnome-panel.06:54
RonaldPrez00: while mozilla really tries for quality releases, i feel using ff3beta is jumping the gun06:54
topyliPrez00: all i see is a few annoyances. gutsy didn't work properly for me all, ever06:54
Prez00topyli: good to hear... let's hope u are right..06:55
bjronheh, modinfo ath_pci didn't even give me the version from Dapper06:55
bjronsrcversion, sure, but no actual version #06:55
AdrianStraysI'm using Ubuntu Studio and would like to upgrade to the RC of Ubuntu Studio.  I am unsure of how to do this, can anyone give me some pointers?06:57
RonaldAdrianStrays: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade06:57
topyliAdrianStrays: update-manager -d06:58
topyliRonald: no06:58
AdrianStraysIt says the a new distrubution is available, but how do I know it won't install a standard Hardy update?06:59
topyliRonald: 1) at least the repositories should be changed, and dist-upgrade used, and 2) dist-upgrade is not supported or recommended or even very smart06:59
Ronaldtopyli: oh sorry, i assumed he was running a beta of studio-hardy, which is off the same repositories07:00
topyliAdrianStrays: no idea07:00
FlannelAdrianStrays: What?  What are you concerned with?07:00
topyliAdrianStrays: i assume changing an ubuntu installation to studio is trivial though07:00
Ronaldmy hardy is from the beta release, surely nothing for update-manager to do to get it to 'rc'07:01
FlannelRonald: Thats just regular updates.  If you keep up with regular updates, you're already there, and then some.07:01
topyliRonald: right07:01
AdrianStraysFlannel, I am currently running Ubuntu Studio Gusty, and would like to update to The Studio Hardy RC.07:01
AdrianStraysFlannel, I looked at the update manager, and it shows that a new release is available, but how do I know it won't update me to a standard Hardy RC07:02
bjronwell, the liveCD doesn't work any better, so I don't think I hosed my network settings on my install07:02
FlannelAdrianStrays: What do you have now?  do you have ubuntustudio-desktop installed?07:02
AdrianStraysTopyli, No, Ubuntu Studio has a slightly modified kernel, one which is better at running musical programs07:02
AdrianStraysFlannel, I believe so07:02
FlannelAdrianStrays: Its still trivial to switch between the two07:02
FlannelAdrianStrays: then you'll upgrade to ubuntu studio07:03
FlannelAdrianStrays: Its all more or less the same anyway, all the same Distro, just different flavors.07:03
teamcobraadrian: I run the rt kernel on my ubuntu laptop too07:03
RonaldAdrianStrays: the flavours of ubuntu differ in a meta package being installed with certain dependencies... they make you get kde for kubuntu, gnome for ubuntu and all07:03
teamcobrathere's a package, no worries07:03
Flannelbut yes, ubuntustudio-desktop is the proper metapackage.07:03
teamcobrals07:03
topyliAdrianStrays: better ask on #ubuntustudio though07:03
teamcobraerp, sorry07:03
* DanaG  ¥€££S out loud.07:04
AdrianStraysTopyli, no one is ever on there.07:04
FlannelAdrianStrays: then take our word for it ;)07:04
teamcobraDanaG: you get paid?07:04
DanaGNaah, I'm just responding to somebody saying "1337" by saying "£€€T"07:05
DanaG... and then finding the Yen symbol.07:05
topyliAdrianStrays: well the worst that could happen is you'll have to install the kernel and the desktop metapackage post-upgrade07:05
bjronteamcobra: how do you recommend I get 2.6.25?07:05
teamcobrabjron: do you run x86 or 64-bit?07:06
topyliAdrianStrays: looks like the standard ubuntu repositories have the ubuntustudio packages so your upgrade should be painless07:06
AdrianStraysFlannel, regardless of whether or not its trivial, the procress of going from studio-gusty, to hardy, to studio-hardy is more drawn out than going from studio-gusty to studio-hardy.  I am asking if I can do it one simple download, rather than having to spread it out.07:06
Aval0n_hey guys, what is the command to configure compiz?07:06
Aval0n_so I can enable/disable the cube etc...07:06
Ronaldinstall compiz-config-manager something package07:07
topyliAdrianStrays: since you have ubuntustudio installed, i would assume that upgrade-manager will upgrade them07:07
* Hobbsee suggests people help out with testing07:07
bjronteamcobra: the laptop in question is 32 bit07:07
Aval0n_i thought it was liks ccsm07:07
Aval0n_or something07:07
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FlannelAdrianStrays: To go from studio to non-studio, you would have to install the ubuntu-desktop package, unless you do so, you won't.07:08
teamcobrabjron: cool, hang on for about 20 or so07:08
bjronk sounds good07:08
teamcobraI'm making an x86 package right now... nvidia in the laptop?07:09
CaptMorganhey, just upgraded to 8.04 and have a quick question, under Appearance > Visual Effects the custom setting isnt there but Advanced Desktop Effects is in Prefrences, how can I make it use advanced compiz settings?07:09
Aval0n_exit07:09
AdrianStraysFlannel, so if it doesn't work that way and I come on here pouting, are you going to be ready to accept the whinning? :D07:09
bjronhmm, concievably, I could just build the ath5k module for the kernel I have right?07:09
FlannelAdrianStrays: It can't not work that way.  It works entirely based on metapackages.07:09
AdrianStraysFlannel, alright, alright. I trust you07:10
AdrianStraysHere we go....07:10
topyliAdrianStrays: and no, no whining is allowed :)07:10
topylion +1 anyway. unstable versions are not supported07:11
negge^CaptMorgan: you'll have to install the compiz manager from synaptic07:11
negge^then there will be another item in the Preferences menu that lets you adjust everything07:11
negge^atleast that's how I did it07:11
CaptMorganNegge^ - it is already installed, I updated I didnt do a fresh install so maybe uninstall and reinstall?07:12
negge^hmm then I'm not sure07:12
topyliCaptMorgan: it won't appear in the appearances dialog07:12
negge^only done fresh installs a couple of times07:12
topyliCaptMorgan: just run it from the menu07:12
RonaldCaptMorgan: does it show in the system>prefs menu?07:12
negge^it's supposed to be over or under Appearances07:13
CaptMorganIf I goto System > Preferences I can open and adjust the Advanced Desktop effects they just arent on, in 7.10 in Apperance I would choose Custom under visual effects07:14
Ronaldjust above07:14
penis there other ways to make alsa use pulseaudio besides the perfect setup steps?07:14
Ronaldadvanced desktop effects settings07:14
Ronaldif its not there, verify you have "compizconfig-settings-manager"07:15
crdlbyou don't really need to set it to custom07:15
penno other ways?07:16
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Ronaldsimple-ccsm is nice too07:19
sdakakWhen is the release party? :-)07:24
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EvoxVIIIhello.07:31
EvoxVIIIanyone here?07:31
bjronEvoxVIII: yes, ppl are here07:31
EvoxVIIIok.07:32
EvoxVIIII need some help with Hardy Heron07:32
EvoxVIIII used Wubi and installed Hardy with my Vista installation. everything is great and good.07:32
EvoxVIIIBut When I boot into Ubuntu it wont pick up my wifi card.07:32
zcat[1]!wifi07:33
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:33
teamcobrabjron: compiling, made sure ath5k was enabled ;)07:33
zcat[1]lots of wifi cards are still not well supported, not even in ubuntu :(07:33
dystopianrayEvoxVIII: what wifi card do you have?07:34
teamcobrazcat: lots of new wifi drivers in 2.6.25 (just went through make xconfig for the git3 ver)07:34
bjronteamcobra: good deal.  Would be nice if I could figure out why the madwifi drivers aren't working for me though, for the sake of anyone else with the same issue07:34
teamcobrabjron: you have a newer card, I believe07:34
EvoxVIIIok that doesnt really help me.07:34
teamcobralots of people w/ that chipset having probs w/ madwifi, ath5k solved it07:34
teamcobraevox: lspci07:34
EvoxVIIImy card isnt listed.07:34
teamcobrato find your wifi card07:34
EvoxVIII?07:35
bjronteamcobra: nah, the laptop is something like 4 years old at least07:35
EvoxVIIIlspci?07:35
teamcobrain a terminal, type lspci07:35
zcat[1]what's frustrating though, my broadcom used to work pretty good in gutsy, I haven't been able to use it at all since hardy :( It can see the AP sometimes but never connects to it.07:35
teamcobraif it's a usb card, type lsusb07:35
EvoxVIIIwell I know what kind of card I have.07:35
dystopianrayteamcobra: isn't ath5k the only new wifi driver in 2.6.25?07:35
EvoxVIIII have a Realtek07:35
dystopianrayzcat[1]: are you using ndiswrapper?07:35
teamcobradystopianray, I saw a new intel driver too w/ spectrum analysis and other cool stuff07:35
dystopianrayteamcobra: oh really?07:36
dystopianrayteamcobra: for what hardware?07:36
bjronzcat[1]: seems that's a common experience around here, unfortunately (mine was working in dapper, donno about the more recent releases)07:36
teamcobradystopianray, didn't really look07:36
EvoxVIIIand how do I edit the settings in Ubuntu.07:36
teamcobraevox: what model number is it07:36
zcat[1]nope. was using bcm43xx-firmware (from cafuego?) now there seems to be bcm43 and b43 modules... and eevrything is horribly broken. Not in a rush to fix it, I have a PCI card and a USB wifi adapter that still work :)07:36
EvoxVIIIhold on.07:36
dystopianrayzcat[1]: i'd recommend trying ndiswrapper07:37
DanaGb43-fwcutter is different from bcm43xx-fwcutter07:37
teamcobraif it's an 8187, open a terminal, and type "sudo rmmod rtl8187 ; sudo modprobe rtl8187"  w/o quotes07:37
DanaGBeats me why the firwmare is different.07:37
JPSmanSo I am now using hardy, and my wireless options have truncated alot07:37
teamcobrazcat: what ver broadcom cards?07:37
zcat[1]screw ndis, I want to use free drivers as far as possible.. and the free drivers used to work, I just need to sort them out again and get the right firmware isntalled I think07:38
teamcobrayeh, ndiswrapper is evil07:38
SuperQcrap07:38
teamcobrazcat: what ver bcm cards? there was a patch that had to be regressed in the .24 series, fixed in .25 (bcm4311rev02 was affected)07:38
SuperQspeaking of wifi07:38
dystopianrayndiswrapper may be evil, but it works more times than the FOSS drivers do07:39
zcat[1]no idea.. not on the lappy right now..07:39
SuperQit looks like iwl4965 (newer intel A/B/N card) drivers are somewhat out of date in hardy07:39
teamcobradystopianray: and makes kernels panic07:39
dystopianrayi've never seen that07:39
pxso everytime i login i have to use xev to get my mouse wheel to work07:39
zcat[1]I'll probably end up doing a clean install when hardy's out anyhow, just to see how it goes07:40
teamcobradystopianray: I've had 2 laptops that would crash every 3 hrs if ndiswrapper was used07:40
teamcobraand only 1 firmware would work properly w/ ndiswrapper07:40
teamcobrablech07:40
SuperQteamcobra: :(07:40
dystopianrayteamcobra: what wifi card were they using?07:40
teamcobrazcat: yeah, but if they're bcm4311rev02s, they're still no good in the final07:40
EvoxVIIIhey teamcobra: I have a Realtek rtl8187B07:40
zcat[1]I just dislike ndis on principle.. I also remove fspot and tomboy from ubuntu as soon as I07:41
teamcobrabroadcom bcm4311rev207:41
SuperQEvoxVIII: haha07:41
zcat[1]'ve finished the isntall07:41
teamcobraevox: paste that line from earlier in a terminal07:41
teamcobraand see if the card workd07:41
JPSmanHas anyone else noticed a huge decrease in the number of available wireless networks using 8.04?07:41
teamcobraworks07:41
patifaNo, I got a huge increase.07:41
SuperQEvoxVIII: a friend had one of those in a cheap laptop.. USB thing.. ended up getting him a linksys external USB adapter07:41
EvoxVIIIwell that would mean I have to close windows and boot into ubuntu.07:41
EvoxVIIIwell mines not bad.07:41
teamcobrartl8187s PWN07:41
LynoureJPSman: No difference here07:42
teamcobraI have an alfa 500mw07:42
EvoxVIIIIt works great in my gateway.07:42
Jaymacteamcobra: no "l33t" speak please :)07:42
teamcobrajaymac: it's the only way to describe its raw power07:42
Jaymachehe07:42
teamcobraJaymac: wep in 52s07:42
x1250any download link for a minimal hardy installation iso? something like netinstall for debian...07:43
dystopianrayx1250: i don't think there is such a thing07:44
alex_mayorgafor poor broadcom range check Bug #12415907:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 124159 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Broadcom bcm43xx Wireless driver regression in gutsy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12415907:44
radoenhello07:44
alex_mayorgalargely ignored though07:45
radoeni've trouble whit a mouse on hurdy07:45
radoenin few word mouse don't work whit hurdy packager on kernel 2.6.2407:45
teamcobraalex: bcm43xx is replaced in hardy07:45
teamcobraby b43 and b43legacy07:45
radoenbut whit the same package of hurdy but whit older gusty kernel all works07:46
radoenwhat can I do?07:46
DanaGHardy seems to be full of regressions.07:46
radoenlol07:46
teamcobrathat sounds like a module not being compiled in07:47
Alex_GaynorI just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/07:47
DanaGPeopley are goingy to be havy-ing a hardy time dealingy with hardy.07:47
alex_mayorgateamcobra, we might reasign that bug then07:47
alex_mayorgathe sensitivity of the card remains lame anyway07:47
teamcobraalex: give b43 or legacy, depending on your card a shot07:47
teamcobrathey redid everything07:47
teamcobraand it's probably fixed07:47
radoenalex_mayorga do you know how can I fix the problem?07:48
teamcobraradoen: are you running 32 bit by chance?07:48
radoenyha I've 32 bit OS version07:48
x1250dystopianray: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/07:48
x1250:)07:48
teamcobraradoen: ok, give me a minute, I might have your fix07:49
radoenlol07:49
radoenthnk07:49
alex_mayorgateamcobra, I have a fully updated hardy here, what do you suggest?07:49
teamcobraI'm not sure if I added any new usb modules to the kernel, but fingers crossed07:49
JPSmanA wireless AP has completely disappeared to my nm-applet, but I KNOW it's there.07:49
teamcobraalex: hrm, lsmod | grep bcm43xx07:49
teamcobrato see if bcm43xx is loaded07:49
JPSmani'm going to try something brb07:49
teamcobraif it is, rmmod it, and modprobe b4307:49
teamcobraand blacklist bcm43xx07:50
radoenah teamcobra  i use ps2 mouse not an usb07:50
alex_mayorgaI don't have bcm, been on b43 long ago07:50
Alex_GaynorI just upgraded a GG install to HH and the updater crashed most of the way through, my system booted fine and everything seems ok, except my grub menu has options for both the new kernel and the old one :( how would I fix this: http://dpaste.com/46449/07:50
DanaGLeave it.  It's good to keep at least one old major-version kernel.07:51
teamcobraradoen: hrm, in a terminal, "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and check the mouse driver, set it to auto07:51
RonaldAlex_Gaynor: inunstall old kernel, its normal this way07:51
teamcobraalex: hrm..... not sure then, check launchpad for b43 bugs related to that module07:51
Alex_GaynorRonald: How would I do that(never had this before)?07:51
AlmindorI personally don't use compiz but is it going to be unusable (without tweaks) for ati users?07:51
teamcobragood chance someone's caught it and it's being worked on, they've fixed a lot of tx/rx issues07:51
AlmindorI got fglrx from packages, and I can't turn it on just like that07:52
Alex_GaynorRonald: alex@alex-desktop-linux:~$ sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic07:52
Alex_Gaynor?07:52
radoenDriver"mouse"07:52
Almindorfrom what I understand ATI supports AIGLX in recent drivers07:52
teamcobraAlmindor, yeah, it's a lot better07:52
radoeni've tu change it in "auto" ?07:52
teamcobrayes07:52
radoenk07:52
siimoim looking forward to upgrading to Intrepid Ibex O_O07:53
Almindorteamcobra, so why does the appearance manager refuse to turn on compiz?07:53
Almindorteamcobra, don't tell me the old blacklist still applies :)07:53
teamcobraalmindor: the module probably isn't loaded07:53
radoenok reboot and hope07:53
teamcobracheck your xorg.conf and make sure it's fglrx in the driver section07:53
Almindorteamcobra, "mobule"? I got full 3d07:53
teamcobrarad:L wait07:53
teamcobrarad: control +alt+bkspc07:53
teamcobrawill restart x, no rebooting ;)07:53
Almindorfglrx is loaded07:53
teamcobraalmindor: then it should work07:53
teamcobraweird07:54
RonaldAlmindor: works fine on my x140007:54
Ronaldout of th box07:54
* Almindor has mobility x160007:54
Almindornote: 64bit07:54
radoenteamcobra, I've to switch kernel version07:54
Ronaldsame chip...07:54
teamcobrastill should work out of the box07:54
teamcobrarad: ohh yeah07:54
Ronald64 bit eh07:54
radoeneheh07:54
Ronaldi run 3207:54
radoensee you early07:54
radoeni hope07:54
radoen:)07:54
teamcobrak07:54
bjronteamcobra: build done yet?07:54
Ronaldunless you run 4GB memory or more, not much disadvantage running 32bit07:55
teamcobrabj: still chunking on the amd athlon x207:55
Ronaldand better support that way07:55
Almindorteamcobra, Ronald http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b0http://pastebin.com/d7fbac8b007:55
bjronk07:55
Almindornotice that last line07:55
JPSmansure enough - its the kernal version.  The newest Kernal for some reason blocks most of my APs from being seen07:55
teamcobraI run 32 for ASIO in wine07:55
teamcobraonly reason I run 32bit07:55
Almindor/usr/bin/compiz I reinstalled (deleted manually re-installed compiz packages) and yes the /usr/local/bin path is in the script07:55
JPSmanUnder what section can I report this?07:55
bjronteamcobra: might head to bed soon - this going to show up in the repos soon?  or where can I get it?07:56
LockyDCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 007:56
teamcobraAlmindor: make sure the compiz package is enabled07:56
teamcobrabjron: nop, not going to be in repos07:56
Almindorteamcobra, it's installed if that's what you mean, the extension is on in xorg.conf too07:56
Almindorteamcobra, note however that there's no /usr/local/bin/compiz :)07:57
teamcobra/usr/bin/compiz: 406: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found07:57
penanyone here using audacity??07:57
Almindorteamcobra, yes but that's a problem of the scripot07:57
Almindorteamcobra, no package installs anything to /usr/local07:57
teamcobraahh right07:57
teamcobrawhy's it looking for xgl and not aiglx?07:57
kahrytanWoW. DCC send?07:58
Hobbseekahrytan: staff are on it07:58
Almindorteamcobra, good question too07:58
Hobbseekahrytan: yeah, explit07:58
Hobbseeer, exploit07:58
Almindorteamcobra, perhaps the x86_64 one is borked07:58
teamcobraalmindor: try installing ccsm07:58
teamcobraand maybe reinstalling compiz07:58
Almindorteamcobra, simple-ccsm?07:58
teamcobrauhm, I think07:58
Ronaldteamcobra: doesn't do a thing while he's still on metacity07:58
teamcobraunless they're is ccsm07:58
Almindorteamcobra, I reinstalled compiz before, even deleted the /usr/bin/compiz before to ensure it's new07:58
teamcobraRonald: I'm puzzled, maybe you can help07:59
teamcobra(I don't use ati)07:59
Ronaldwell my laptop is on ati07:59
Almindor64bit?07:59
Ronaldwhich i'm setting up on its evil windows side atm... and its a 32bit core(1) duo08:00
insomninjaIs it only me or does anybody else experience firefox constantly freesing in 5-10s time chunks?08:00
Almindorinsomninja, I'm getting odd hdd/cpu 100% activities lately, not sure if it's ff related tho08:00
Almindorgtg08:01
teamcobraalmin: wait08:01
Almindorwhat08:01
RonaldAlmindor: sorry, cannot help you with 64bitness.... you sure fglrx is being used ? (check restricted driver manager)08:01
teamcobrayou're using the legacyhuman theme and not human08:01
teamcobramight be the problem08:01
insomninjaAlmindor, I get a lot of ata2.00 messages too08:01
* Almindor doesn't have the theme selected, I use clearlooks AFAIK08:01
Ronalddon't think the theme is the issue. both compiz and metacity will run the same theme afaik08:02
kahrytanThe best human theme is HumanLooks GTK.08:02
teamcobraRonald: yeah, but there are a bunch of theme errors in his pastebin08:02
Almindoryup, uninstalled it and it doesn't work08:02
AlmindorIMHO it's a 64bit issue08:02
Almindorsome packaging difference perhaps08:02
teamcobraalmindor: it looks 100% like a config issue08:02
teamcobra110%08:03
AlmindorI didn't use compiz before08:03
Almindornever tweaked it08:03
Almindorbut it is an update from 7.10 so who knows08:03
kahrytanHobbsee->  ever try HUmanLooks theme?08:03
Almindoranycase, gtg08:03
Almindorwill be back later, thanks for trying :)08:03
radoenre-hello08:03
radoenteamcobra, nothing to do08:04
radoenmouse don't work08:04
radoenI've a dmseg | grep mouse output08:04
radoencan help?08:04
kahrytanAnyone else run into the 800x600 bug in fullscreen games?08:04
teamcobrahrmmmmmm08:04
radoen!pastebin08:05
ubotupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)08:05
radoenhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64081/08:05
teamcobraradoen, whoops, I think that needs to be "Auto" or try "ImPS/2"08:05
radoenI've set to "auto" but it dont work08:06
teamcobrasorry for the typo, try the "ImPS/2" first08:06
teamcobraI think it needs to have the cap :(08:06
radoenI've try whint end whitout cap08:06
JPSmanwow launchpad is good at suggesting problems.  Turns out that Kernel 2.6.24 is very buggy with rt2x00 drivers :O(08:06
radoendon't work08:06
teamcobracat /dev/input/mice    and move the mouse around08:07
teamcobranvm08:07
teamcobradoesn't work so well08:07
radoenwork08:07
teamcobrait did? ok, check your xorg.conf again and make sure the device under mouse is /dev/input/mice08:08
radoenhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64082/08:09
teamcobraand try setting "ImPS/2"   .... if that doesn't work, it's a kernel-related prob08:09
radoencurrently is this08:09
phazemancan someone please post a keyborad configuration part of xorg.conf with more then 1 language configured ? thanks a lot in advance08:09
teamcobrahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64084/08:10
teamcobra(for radoen)08:10
radoendome rebbot08:10
radoen*done08:11
teamcobrak08:11
JPSmanSo I have opted to run the Kernel 2.6.22 for Hardy (because I can use the internet this way) and my graphic res has failed :OP   how can I re-install the graphics portion of Gutsy?08:12
patifaHave you first tried booting into recovery mode from grub then doing an fix on X11 from the menu?08:13
JPSmanpatifa: ?   No I havn't.  How do I do a 'fix' ?  (how do you pronounce that    xeleven?)08:15
patifaDo you know how to load the grub boot menu upon startup?  It'll either appear if you're dual-booting or you'll get one of those 3 seconds until autoboot, I think, if you only have ubuntu booting.08:15
JPSmanyeah i can grub, but I have never done a safe mode before08:16
patifahere let me find out exactly what the menu will say08:16
JPSman:OD   thank you patifa08:16
patifaso yeah, Escape enters grub menu08:17
JPSmanis it text based?08:17
patifayeah08:17
patifabut there's nothing to type08:17
teamcobrajust hit down and enter08:17
teamcobra;p08:17
radoenI'm back08:17
radoennothng08:17
teamcobraradoen, good news?08:17
teamcobraauuugh08:17
radoendon't work08:17
radoena question08:17
teamcobrayes?08:18
patifayeah what teamcobra.  When grub launches by hitting escape, you'll get a text menu.  Pick the "(recovery mode)"08:18
patifa*what teamcobra said08:18
radoenI've try to cat mouse aoutput at /dev/input/mice or mouse008:18
radoenand no out here08:18
radoenI've red dmseg |grep mouse08:18
JPSmanPatifa: how can i repair X11 once its loaded?08:18
radoenand08:18
patifaAnyways JPSman, I'll boot, probably with a lot of text.08:18
JPSmanK08:19
teamcobraradoen: boot into the new kernel, and type dmesg in a console08:19
teamcobrasee if there are any mouse-related module errors08:19
teamcobrait seems like a module isn't loaded that should be08:19
patifait's all the text normally hidden by the splash screen.  You'll end up eventually on a blueish screen with a white menu.08:19
radoen[   21.470221] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input008:19
radoen[   21.474877] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice08:19
radoenonly these 2 have the work mouse in08:19
radoen*word08:19
JPSmanPatifa: ok08:19
patifaYour choices will be, 'resume', 'root', and 'xfix'08:19
teamcobraradoen: yes and your mouse works right now, right?08:19
radoenbut device /devices/virtual/input/input0 do not exsist08:20
teamcobra(you're in the good kernel, so to speak?)08:20
radoenyes now yes08:20
radoenyha now I'm under08:20
teamcobraright.... now reboot into the bad one, and dmesg08:20
teamcobramake note of those 2 mice08:20
radoen 2.6.22-14-generic08:20
teamcobrasee if both of those mice pop up in the bad kernel08:20
patifaPick 'xfix', let it do it's thing.  Then pick 'resume'.  Ubuntu normal boots.  If it 'still' fails, there's some other things to try, but that one is one of your better bets.08:20
radoenand dmseg on this kernel is08:20
radoen[   20.527524] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input008:21
radoen[   20.528300] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice08:21
radoenon the other kernel output is the first that i've past here08:21
patifaSo, that's Esc to enter grub if it doesn't already, pick the "(recovery mode)" one.  Wait for boot.  Pick xfix, wait for it to hopefully fix X11 (the graphical subsystem), then pick resume.08:21
JPSmanThanks Patifa, im off to try it08:21
teamcobraok, in the good kernel, do an lsmod08:22
teamcobraand look for mice-related modules08:22
radoenradoen@cameretta:~$ lsmod |grep mouse08:22
radoenpsmouse                39952  008:22
radoenonly that08:22
teamcobrain the bad one, you'll have to sudo modprobe mousemodulename , and use dmesg to look at the output if it fails08:22
teamcobraok, in the bad kernel, sudo modprobe psmouse and see if it fixes it08:23
radoenok08:23
radoenreboot and try08:23
radoenFS ceck is coming08:23
radoenXD08:23
radoentoo many reboot08:23
mrtimdogHi, is there a way of changing gnome panel applet foregrounds (window list, clock, etc.)?08:26
mrtimdogI've tried suggested ways from Google of changing .gtkrc.mine, but no luck.08:26
patifawhat do you mean by foregrounds?08:27
mrtimdogThe text colour.08:29
Hobbseeyou do change .gtkrc, then restart the gnome-panel08:30
zniavreyou should add >fg[NORMAL]= "#f5f4f0" to panel style08:30
patifaThere's a GUI for that, too.08:30
zniavrefor something white    >#000000 for black08:30
zniavregnome-color-chooser is a good tweaking tools08:30
radoeneheheheh08:30
radoendon't work08:31
patifaSystem > Prefs > Appearance > Theme tab > Customize button > Colors tab08:31
radoenthe module arent compiled/present in kernel 2.6.24-generic from ubuntu hurdy official repository08:31
mrtimdogThanks all. I'll try playing eith gtkrc again, maybe I've done something wrong in it!08:31
radoenbut the thing is a bit strange08:32
mrtimdogpatifa: That could be easier, hang on...08:32
radoenteamcobra, are you here yet?08:32
patifabasically, customize a theme (like Human)08:32
vega--what, no "when is hardy out?" question visible on my screen? there must be something seriously wrong..08:32
teamcobrayea08:33
radoenhave you read?08:33
teamcobrayep, that's the problem then08:33
teamcobrabrb08:33
radoenbut it's a bit impossible08:33
cpk1one more day guys!08:33
radoenwhy noone have reported the bug firstly?08:33
radoenif the module is missing no one mouse could be work on hurdy08:34
mrtimdogpatifa: Ah ok, that works, but it changed the foreground colour of *all* theme text, my windows are still a light colour, so I can't read the text on those, but I can read the panel text!!08:34
radoenor i'm wrong?08:34
radoenand sorry for my homebrew english08:35
JPSmanJust how bad is it to run Hardy on Kernel 2.6.22 ?08:37
teamcobraradoen: I just looked in my current kernel config, and it's built08:37
patifano go JPSman?08:37
teamcobrahrm hrm hrm08:37
radoenimpossible08:37
JPSmanPatifa: no it worked just fine :OD08:37
radoeni'va download the kernel yestrday08:37
radoenfrom tehe official repository08:37
radoen*the08:37
teamcobraradoen: try reinstalling the kernel package/modules again08:37
radoenok08:38
teamcobraI do remember a 2nd kernel release yesterday08:38
mrtimdogHobbsee and/or zniavre: Any chance of an example gtkrc file?08:38
teamcobraso it might've been because of that and you got unlucky08:38
JPSmanPatifa: Im just using 2.6.22 Kernel because 2.6.24 is very driver buggy for my rt2500 wireless card08:38
JPSmanSo again is it bad to run Hardy on 2.6.22 ?08:38
Hobbseemrtimdog:08:38
Hobbseestyle "panel"08:38
Hobbsee{08:38
Hobbseefg[NORMAL] = "#ffffff"08:39
Hobbseeand then the rest as normal08:39
Hobbseeie, uncomment, then change the value08:39
mrtimdogHobbsee: So no lines of ilk: widget "*PanelApplet*" style "panel" ?08:40
radoenwhat is kernel package name08:40
mrtimdogHobbsee: The rest I already have.08:40
Hobbseemrtimdog: oh yeah, all that is at the bottom08:40
radoenfond08:40
Hobbseemrtimdog: sec08:41
radoenreinstalling in progress08:42
teamcobracool08:43
Hobbseemrtimdog: http://hobbsee.com/tmp/.gtkrc-2.008:45
mrtimdogHobbsee: Thanks, although, just been playing with gnome-color-chooser which seems to do a good job of it :)08:46
Hobbsee:)08:46
radoenreboot08:48
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JackWinterargh.  i have a 2:nd hdd in my system. now i want to repartition it.  in system settings->disk & filesystems i can't delete the partitions.  what suprises me is that they don't show as mounted.  when i go to konquror is see 2 of the 3 parts in /media as mounted.  here i can unmount them, but it changes nothing.  installed qtparted, but it can't start...  8.04 from 12hours ago here.  mount shows 2 of the 3 partitions mounted, but if i unmount them in08:50
JackWinterkonq the don|t show anymore.  still can't partition..08:50
DanaGHow do I take my color selection overrides from gnome and apply them into the gtkrc as default for a theme?08:50
DanaGI want to save my theme, but it includes a color override.08:50
teamcobrajack: unmount the drive, sudo gparted /dev/hdX  X= drive number08:51
JackWinterthis is on kubuntu hardy08:51
dany_21aJackWinter: enter "mount" in a konsole, to check if any part is still mounted08:51
radoenahahhaah08:51
radoenteamcobra, works!!!!!!!!!08:51
teamcobrayaaaaayy08:51
radoenradoen@cameretta:~$ uname -a08:51
radoenLinux cameretta 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux08:51
teamcobrabeautiful ;)08:52
radoenthanks for the support08:52
teamcobrano problem08:52
radoenand sorry for homebrew english08:52
teamcobrait's ok08:52
teamcobraenjoy the working box :)08:52
JackWinterdany_21a: they are no longer mounted.  unmounted from /media with konq but i still can't repartition08:53
DanaG!gksu08:53
ubotuIf you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)08:53
khaije1hi, anyone had trouble w/ the nvidia driver?08:54
DanaGbug 18822608:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18822608:54
JackWinterdon't know if significant but run the rt kernel...08:55
cpk1JackWinter: you try running kdesu qtparted /dev/sdX like teamcobra said after unmounting?08:55
khaije1it looks like sound isnt working eiither08:56
teamcobrakhaije1, running the latest released kernel (double-check)08:57
JackWintercool that start qparted.  why the kdesu ?  never had to do that in 7.10?08:57
teamcobracause only root can partition drives08:57
teamcobracpk: thanks for fixing my syntax08:58
teamcobrait's late here, making 2.6.25 packages08:58
cpk1teamcobra: no problem half the time I forget to use kdesu anyways =P09:00
cpk1JackWinter: kdesu is for graphical interfaces to be run as root09:00
khaije1teamcobra: itś from yesterday, but ie updated everything, is that equivalent?09:04
DanaGI wish this bug would get more attention!09:04
DanaGbug 188226 !!!!!!!!09:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18822609:04
eldaviohi all :D09:04
teamcobrakhaije1, and you just did a "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade" ?09:05
JackWintercpk1: yes i know, but can't remember ever having to use it with qtparted before?  does that mean that the k-menu entry is wrong.  should i report that somewhere? the command in the kde menu editor is qtparted-root and it's checked to run as another user but no user name09:05
teamcobrajust had someone w/ a mouse module problem related to a slightly older kernel/modules package09:06
teamcobrasame version, not same package09:06
AndycasssWith 8.04 my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally, it keeps throwing me the gnome errors on bootup, something to do with power....09:07
cpk1JackWinter:  I have no clue09:07
JackWintercpk1: i just installed qtparted with adept from the hardy beta dist09:07
JackWintercpk1: ok, neither do i.  thanks for the help in any case09:08
khaije1teamcobra: yes09:09
teamcobrakhaije1: lsmod and look for your sound drivers, try reloading them if they;re loaded09:09
khaije1k09:10
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TeslaTonyI would like to get madwifi working under 8.04. Can the tutorial I used on my 7.10 system work for 8.04 as well?09:13
khaije1it looks like itś all loaded09:14
khaije1teamcobra: this is odd, never had a problem before09:14
teamcobraand double-clicking on the volume control gives you a gstreamer error?09:15
DanaGWorst naming ever: madwifi.  drivers are ath_hal and ath_pci.  Since when does "ath" sound anything like "mad"?09:16
* DanaG goes off and acts like an Ath Scientist ... and hacks at his Madtheros card.09:16
DanaGSee?  It's stupid.09:17
teamcobrahahah09:17
TeslaTonyProbably because it's liable to drive you mad?09:17
LynoureDanaG: complain to them? I would be surprised if any madwifi devs were here, but who knows09:17
khaije1teamcobra: no, it presents no errors09:17
LynoureIt's Atheros, so obvious enough to me at least09:18
teamcobrakhaje: and it's not muted and all turned up?09:18
teamcobrait seems the sound drivers are working if the vol sliders come up09:18
khaije1teamcobra: im at a loss, i would guess itś pulse, but i never had difficulty w/ it on gutsy09:19
teamcobrakhaje: double click on an audio file09:19
teamcobraand see if it plays09:19
teamcobrait might be the particular program you're using that isn't playing nice w/ pulse, padsp will fix that09:20
khaije1i can see that it does, but hear no sound09:20
teamcobrakhaije: *shrug,* try rebooting, I've had it happen to me before and a reboot fixed it09:20
teamcobrahasn't happened in a few weeks though09:21
khaije1ive tried a few, plus the gnome sound setup testing playback buttons09:21
teamcobrayour sound modules might need reloading09:21
teamcobrais esd enabled (should be)?09:21
khaije1i´m going to reinstall w/ kubuntu, i wonder if that would make a diff09:21
khaije1it wasnt by default, but i turned it on09:21
khaije1so the beta´s can dist-upgrade into the final release, right?09:22
teamcobratoggle esd and try it, but I think your sound modules just need reloading09:22
Fritzeldoes anyone know of a way to force my cdrom to read a track on an audio cd whether it recognizes it or not? my dvdrom won't read anything and I'm trying to use a cd cleaner but it keeps telling me it's blank09:37
e\spenanyone experiencing trouble connecting to Belkin routers after upgrade(after reboot i cant connect to the wireless system, eventhoug everything seams normal, and it works perfect on other routers!)09:38
ibleede\spen, its odd that you say that.  with hardy i have been disconnected from my linksys wrt150n router a number of times.  it requires me to power off and cycle my modem to fix.  i have been unsure whether its hardy or my isp having problems09:39
doug2266778822 im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?09:40
e\spenibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router09:46
Fritzeldoes anyone know what could cause my dvdrom to return "/dev/scd0: writable, no read permission" from 'file -s /dev/scd0'09:50
dystopianrayFritzel: your user not having read permissions on that device09:51
doug2266778822 im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phone jack to work. can anyone help me?09:52
ccookedoug2266778822: This is the channel for Hardy Heron, the soon-to-be-released new version of Ubuntu. For general Ubuntu help, including Gutsy and previous releases, you should be asking in #ubuntu09:53
doug2266778822ccooke: i have no one will help me.09:53
doug2266778822ccooke:  is heron out yet the beta one? if so does the sound work in it?09:54
e\spenibleed, all other networks i try to connect works excellent, and on the same router i tested vista and xp right after and they worked perfekt so strongly belive its something with the "belkin" connection somehow, because it works fine in 7.1 but if i upgrade AND restart it will not connect to the belkin router09:54
Helvasca-hey09:54
ccookedoug2266778822: it's possible that everyone was busy.09:55
dystopianraydoug2266778822: a hardy release candidate has been released, the final will be out tomorrow09:55
Helvasca-* Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald09:55
Helvasca-`invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.09:55
doug2266778822dystopianray: can i do a upgrade through command line? or no.09:55
Helvasca-I can't work out how to fix it! I've tried dpkg --configure -a09:56
ccookedoug2266778822: you can upgrade from the normal GUI update manager09:56
doug2266778822ccooke:  will i lose any saved data?09:56
ccookefrom tomorrow (or shortly thereafter) the new distribution upgrade will appear on your update manager.09:56
Fritzeldystopianray, that's not the case I tried sudo file -s /dev/sdc0 and it said the same thing, any other suggestions?09:57
Helvasca-Anyone have ideas?09:57
ibleedsorry about the reconnects.  i'm having some serious issues with firefox in hardy.  when i type CTRL-F then the 's' key to search for a string that starts with 's' my gnome x session is halted, then i have to relogin to gdm and into gnome again.  anyone heard of this problem before ?09:57
dystopianrayFritzel: are you having an actual issue with the device? an inability to burn or mount cds?09:57
Fritzelthe inability to read any media09:57
ccookedoug2266778822: Depends on your system. Upgrading is a safe process (I've never once lost data; my 70-year-old dad hasn't had trouble with it)09:57
Fritzeldystopianray, the drive itsself is recognized fine09:58
Fritzeldystopianray, in all os's09:58
doug2266778822ccooke: i really would like to get it now since i have to do some work and i need my head phones to do the work with.09:58
dystopianrayFritzel: is your user in the cdrom group?09:58
Fritzelyes09:58
dystopianrayFritzel: what are the actual permissions on the device?09:58
Fritzeldystopianray, brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-04-23 04:31 scd009:58
ccookedoug2266778822: However, if you've modified your system a lot (installed a large number of third-party debs, changed the startup process, etc) the upgrade may have problems.09:58
dystopianrayFritzel: if you are in the cdrom group then you have read and write access to the device09:59
Helvasca-My hardware abstraction layer is failing to start.09:59
Fritzeldystopianray, which means what then? the problem is either on a bios or hardware level?09:59
ccookedoug2266778822: Upgrading to hardy will take around 1-2 hours, depending on your system. If you want to, be aware that it's still not the final release for another day, so you're still taking *some* risk09:59
dystopianrayFritzel: have you tried rebooting the computer?09:59
Fritzelyes09:59
ccookedoug2266778822: if you feel that's acceptable, hit alt-f2 and run 'update-manager -c -d'10:00
dystopianrayFritzel: are you absolutely certain that you are in the 'cdrom' group?10:00
Fritzel$ groups10:00
Fritzelmhollisjr adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev games fuse lpadmin admin vboxusers10:00
Fritzeldystopianray, positive10:00
christian__hi10:00
doug2266778822ccooke:  thank you.10:00
dystopianrayFritzel: is there a particular program that is giving you trouble?10:01
christian__does anybody know how to boot ubuntu 8.04 of the hdd without burning a cd?10:01
christian__via grub?10:01
Fritzeldystopianray, no it's global10:01
Helvasca-Why wont anyone answer?10:01
Fritzeldystopianray, across boots, and operating systems10:01
ccookedoug2266778822: it's really a very good process. There *are* risks, of course, since the upgrade has to make some assumptions10:01
dystopianrayFritzel: oh, other operating systems can't read media either?10:01
Fritzeldystopianray, corret10:02
Fritzelcorrect10:02
dystopianrayFritzel: that has nothign to do with ubuntu then, your drive is broken10:02
Fritzel:/10:02
dystopianrayFritzel: or there is some hardware compatibility issue preventing it from working10:02
doug2266778822ccooke:  as long as the head phones work i will be very happy10:02
Fritzelwhen I do a 'file -s /dev/scd0' how does it pull that information?10:02
Fritzelis it from the device, the bios or the os?10:03
ccookedoug2266778822: on the other hand, a week and a half ago I was able to upgrade an old laptop from 6.10 to 8.04. That *did* require some handholding, mind, but after about three and a half hours it was fully working and upgraded.10:03
dystopianrayFritzel: from the filesystem10:03
Fritzeldystopianray, which states that permissions are correct so that means it's a lower level problem correct? which would you say is more likely? bios setting or hardware?10:04
dystopianrayFritzel: i already told you, something is wrong with your hardware10:04
christian__knowbody knows how to boot an iso image of ubuntu via grub?10:05
Fritzeldystopianray, yes I know but I'm in denial ><10:05
doug2266778822ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?10:08
Helvasca-ahhhhhhh10:13
Helvasca-This is driving me up the wall10:14
_Rambaldi_is there a net stumbler for ubuntu?10:14
dystopianray_Rambaldi_: try kismet10:15
_Rambaldi_its not really straight forward10:16
dystopianraywhere are you having trouble?10:17
dystopianrayalso what wifi card do you have?10:17
dystopianrayand what driver are you using?10:17
_Rambaldi_its on boared i believe its atheros drivers10:17
_Rambaldi_i am not sure which i have to install, kismet_client or server10:18
dystopianrayinstall both10:18
kahrytanI hope they fix the 800x600 resolution fullscreen game bug in hardy10:19
dystopianraykahrytan: what is the bug?10:19
kahrytanOut of Range  bug when say a game uses 800x600 by default10:20
kahrytanfullscreen10:20
dystopianrayon what video card?10:20
kahrytannvidia?10:20
kahrytandystopianray->  I googled it. others have the problem it seems10:21
kahrytandystopianray->  I know, thus far. ET and Extreme Tux Racer are effected. Both use config files so I changed it that way10:22
dystopianraykahrytan: does it occur only with nvidia's binary drivers?10:23
kahrytandystopianray-> yes10:23
kahrytandidnt try it without it10:23
kahrytanis there another way?10:23
dystopianrayanother way to what?10:24
kahrytandystopianray->  fyi, desktop can display 800x60010:24
kahrytandystopianray-> Set Screen Resolution, then no error from monitor10:24
dystopianraykahrytan: is it only 800x600 that is affected?10:25
doug2266778822ccooke:  what if this does not fix my head phone prob?10:25
kahrytandystopianray-> Tell me what to do and ill try it10:26
dystopianraykahrytan: try 1024x768 fullscreen10:27
kahrytandystopianray->  I did just set Screen Resolution applet to 800x600 and ran Extreme Tux Racer... it didnt pop up error10:27
kahrytan1024x... works10:27
dystopianraykahrytan: and 640x480?10:27
kahrytandystopianray->  no problem10:28
kahrytandystopianray->  why so many ques?10:28
dystopianraykahrytan: well i assume you want help solving the problem?10:28
kahrytandystopianray->  I know its a bug10:29
Joeliohey guys, having an issue with my Dell d630 when on battery power. If I leave it for a minute and come back to it, the whole thing freezes for a short time and then comes back to liofe. I've got diagnostics here.10:30
dystopianrayi'm just trying to find out more details about it10:30
Joeliohttp://www.connectedup.co.uk/battery/10:30
kahrytandystopianray->  Setting resolution to 800x600, then opening a game in full screen. Fine. Any other, bug comes10:30
JoelioI've also posted here, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=476063910:31
JoelioAnybody else seeing this issue?10:31
dystopianraykahrytan: it only happens if the desktop resolution is not also 800x600?10:31
ccookedoug2266778822: if it doesn't, we can go through some diagnostics. Or, you could try asking again in #ubuntu instead of upgrading10:31
kahrytandystopianray->  it would seem so10:31
kahrytandystopianray->  I tried some higher ones but below my native reso10:31
dystopianrayok10:31
kahrytantried 1280x..10:32
dystopianraykahrytan: is there a bug report about it?10:32
kahrytandystopianray->  not sure how to search for it10:32
dystopianraykahrytan: you said you found reports of others with the same problem, where are they?10:32
kahrytanubuntuforums.. i think10:33
dystopianrayget some links10:33
doug2266778822ccooke:  i got a half a min before done with downloading the upgrade10:33
doug2266778822ccooke: then i got the install10:33
doug2266778822i will try this route10:33
doug2266778822if it dont work i guess i am back to windows.10:34
ccooketell me - did the headphones work before?10:34
doug2266778822yes on xp they dod10:35
doug2266778822did10:35
JoelioSeriously, nobody else seeing this issue of temporary freezing when on battery?10:35
doug2266778822and they wokred on here as well half pluged in till i rebooted10:35
kahrytandystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=762589&highlight=Out+of+Range+games (wine? unsure)10:36
kahrytandystopianray-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=746366&highlight=Out+of+Range+games10:36
topylimy laptop simply turns of when on battery10:36
topyliiz dead :(10:36
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dystopianraykahrytan: it doesn't seem to be a very widespread problem10:37
doug2266778822ccooke:  i just do not get why restarting would make it stop working10:38
ccookedoug2266778822: half plugged in?10:38
ccookedoug2266778822: well, try after the upgrade finishes10:39
doug2266778822ccooke: yes just half way inserted them and they worked fine till i rebooted then they stoped10:39
kahrytandystopianray->  Any ideas?10:39
dystopianraykahrytan: no, sorry10:39
dystopianraykahrytan: If I get the issue when I install hardy i'll be able to investigate more10:39
kahrytandystopianray->  what!? you didnt install it?10:40
doug2266778822ccooke: how big of a dif is the upgrade?10:40
dystopianraykahrytan: not yet, i'll install tomorrow10:40
ccookedoug2266778822: new versions of every single package on your system, including a newer kernel and version of gnome10:40
ccookedoug2266778822: six months of changes, of which about 3-4 months would be people finding ways to improve everything10:41
topylidoug2266778822: as big as your system is10:41
topylievery package will be updated10:41
doug2266778822ccooke: i also dont rly see how either now or tomorrow would make a dif i mean its just a few hours longer not much. how many more bugs can there be10:42
topylidoug2266778822: it doesn't matter at all10:42
ccookedoug2266778822: it only takes one... :-)10:42
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doug2266778822ccooke:  lol well i been having them one after another since last nite10:43
doug2266778822and topyli ah ok10:43
ccooke(but as topyli says - the system now is pretty much there)10:43
kahrytandystopianray->  should i report it or can find related bug?10:43
topylidoug2266778822: you'll get another batch of updates tomorrow10:43
doug2266778822will this over ride my exte 3 mount with read/write privs?10:44
dystopianraykahrytan: yes you should10:44
kahrytandystopianray-> how?10:44
dystopianraykahrytan: bugs.launchpad.net10:45
kahrytandystopianray-> under?10:45
doug2266778822topyli:  if the headphone jack dont work after this or tomorrows updates then what?10:45
kahrytandystopianray-> Nividia and ubuntu?10:45
topylidoug2266778822: then it doesn't work10:45
dystopianraykahrytan: yeah that'll do10:45
topylidoug2266778822: either it's broken or there's an ubuntu bug10:46
kahrytandystopianray->  but i need to know right package names10:46
ccookedoug2266778822: one question - have you tried it in windows *since* it stopped working?10:46
topylikahrytan: launchpad has a search box10:46
doug2266778822has to be a bug then10:46
topylidoug2266778822: please report it then10:46
doug2266778822ccooke:  yes i even used vmware and it ran in that from here as well10:47
kahrytantopyli->  And launchpad search sucks.. i wish it was more like google.10:47
doug2266778822topyli: i will when done upgrading.10:47
topylikahrytan: in other words, better :)10:47
ccookedoug2266778822: vmware under Windows or under Ubuntu?10:47
doug2266778822ccooke: ubuntu10:47
kahrytantopyli->  launchpad sucks is worse then google10:48
topylikahrytan: that's what i mean. if it were more like google it would be better10:48
topyliit doesn't "suck" though10:48
ccookedoug2266778822: ahh10:48
ccookedoug2266778822: have you tried checking the volume control?10:48
kahrytantopyli->  how do you fil bug under multiple packages .. Ubuntu and Nvidia?10:48
doug2266778822ccooke: so it is somethng in gutsy keeping me from it10:49
topylikahrytan: you report nvidia bugs to nvidia10:49
doug2266778822ccooke: yes i ran alsamixer reg and as sudo it wont budge10:49
kahrytantopyli->  its related though10:49
topylikahrytan: ubuntu hackers are unable to fix bugs in nvidia's proprietary crap10:50
kahrytantopyli->  dont be insulting nvidia. At least they try.10:50
doug2266778822topyli: YIPES my system has most nvidia lol10:50
topylikahrytan: they do? where's the source? just report their bugs to them10:50
Lynourekahrytan: "at least they try" = they don't offer specs, damn hard for anyone else to try...10:51
doug2266778822dang i could have just pluged the headphones into the speaker jack int he bakc LOL why didnt i think of it before i upgraded haha10:51
doug2266778822into the back*10:51
kahrytanBy try... they are supporting Linux with drivers.10:51
topyliright right10:52
doug2266778822ccooke:  where is the DOWNGRADE button?10:52
ccookedoug2266778822: what?10:52
doug2266778822ccooke:  it hit me the external speakers work right? wlel i could have just pluged the headphones into that outlet10:53
doug2266778822so how i downgrade lol10:53
ccookedoug2266778822: there's no easy way to downgrade - and it can be very damaging to halt an upgrade half-way10:53
ccookedoug2266778822: I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while10:53
doug2266778822ccooke:  lol i was joking10:53
ccookedoug2266778822: ahhh :-)10:53
topylidoug2266778822: heh, i have to plug my speakers to the headphone jack10:54
doug2266778822topyli:  and ccooke i wish i thought of this before hand. would saved me alot of time10:54
doug2266778822topyli: lol wana trade?10:54
ccookedoug2266778822: Happens to us all :-)10:54
topyliheh10:54
doug2266778822compaq presario pc. made for vista but wtf is vista lol10:55
Helvasca-how can I force dpkg to install a package and ignore dependencies10:56
doug2266778822ccooke:  2 min to go thn to reboot hope this fixes it if not ill just plug them to the back.10:56
doug2266778822hey does wine come with this ?10:56
ccookedoug2266778822: wine is packaged for Ubuntu, but it's not officially supported10:57
kahrytandoug2266778822-> WINE version is next to newest version too10:57
doug2266778822kahrytan: i have it installed but keep gettin vid error when i try to play a game10:58
kahrytandoug2266778822-> wine-0.9.59 is the one in hardy. wine-0.9.60 is out.10:58
doug2266778822kahrytan:  i had wine 0.9.4610:58
kahrytandoug2266778822->  you should use winehq repos10:59
timeoffsince yesterdays updates I appear to have lost internet connectivity for locally installed apps (flock, secondlife etc). All the other standard apps continue to work as normal. Anyone come across anything similar?10:59
doug2266778822kahrytan:  i did but it went over my head mostly.10:59
dystopianraytimeoff: i can't imagine how that'd happen11:00
timeoffyeah.. thats my problem :p11:00
dystopianraytimeoff: what error do the other apps report?11:00
timeoffeverything else just works as normal.... but the locally installed ones are unable to resolve any addresses/unable to connect to server etc11:01
doug2266778822ok comp bout to reboot here ccooke11:01
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ccookedoug2266778822: Good luck11:02
doug2266778822thnks i will let u know wht happens11:02
joker2048_hey folks, which timezone counts for releasing HardyHeron?11:05
dystopianrayjoker2048_: GMT+1 iirc11:06
ccookedoug2266778822: Well, you appear to have a working system in as far as you've logged in...11:07
doug2266778822ccooke: the jack still dont work11:07
Armagguedeshello11:09
ccookedoug2266778822: one thing does occur...11:09
ccookedoug2266778822: see the volume control in your taskbar?11:10
doug2266778822yea11:10
ccookedoug2266778822: right-click on it, "open volume control"11:10
Armagguedeswhy do games like warzone2100, tux racer or war§ow run slow like fuck on my computer (3GiB Ram, nvidia 8600)? do i need any special drivers or smtg?11:10
ccookedoug2266778822: done that?11:10
doug2266778822just did11:10
kahrytandystopianray->  How'd I do, bug 22095211:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22095211:10
ccookedoug2266778822: Okay. Go to Edit -> Preferences...11:10
ccookedoug2266778822: and turn on every single item in the list that appears next11:11
doug2266778822headphone is checked11:11
ccookedoug2266778822: turn on everything that's unchecked11:11
doug2266778822just did11:11
moise7000Yop11:11
dystopianraykahrytan: seems alright11:12
Kohelethguys, whats the risk of messing up my windows mbr with ubuntu if I install it, I have used wubi and its fine but when Hardy is out I will go for a proper install11:12
ccookedoug2266778822: now, go through each of the tabs on the volume control and look for anything that could deal with the front-panel connectors11:12
kahrytandystopianray->  dont know to put it under hardy11:12
dystopianrayKoheleth: it will overwrite the windows bootloader with grub11:12
Kohelethwill it see vista fine though11:12
dns53yes11:12
ccookedoug2266778822: especially look in a 'switches' tab if you have one11:12
dystopianrayKoheleth: yes11:12
Kohelethyour confident :) good11:12
ccookedoug2266778822: (mine, for instance, has checkboxes for "headphones" and "front")11:12
dns53it boots vista on the backup of the mbr i think, or some equivelent11:13
doug2266778822ccooke:  i will do it in a little i gave up and pluged them to the back of the pc11:13
Kohelethwhats the main disadvantage with wubi and a normal install?11:13
ccookedoug2266778822: fair enough11:13
Helvasca-wheres the sources list found again?11:14
kahrytandystopianray-> So, what else I do with the bug?11:14
dns53Koheleth wubi has another layer when writing to the disk, it seems to break when you don't defrag your disk11:14
timfrost11:15
Kohelethso its just a temporal thing11:15
sparr_i notice that "apt-get install firefox" wants to install FF3, but dist-upgrade didn't replace my 2 with 3.  what's up with that?11:15
timfrostHelvasca: /etc/apt/sources.list11:15
prodigelHi. I'm having problems with gnome-panel since upgrading to hardy. It keeps crashing, and I cannot restart it. if I restart X it doen't display anything.11:15
kahrytandystopianray->  should i tell motu?11:17
dystopianraykahrytan: who's motu?11:17
kahrytanchannel ... so someone looks atit11:17
dystopianrayif you think it'll help11:17
kahrytanto late for hardy fix though11:19
cpk1masters of the universe = motu11:20
ArelisHello all. Hardy is one day to go until release, does that mean that the stuff in the repo's has reached the final stage? I mean, when i update now, will i have the final Hardy?11:23
dns53close enough maybe, depends if there are major bugs11:24
dystopianrayArelis: probably11:25
prodigelanybody can help me with my x problems? I'm not sure now if gnome-panel or gdm or who crashes11:25
ArelisAnd may i just keep my system running under Hardy when it goes final? (This is a fresh Release Candidate install). Or will I have problems?11:25
dns53no just dist-upgrade11:25
Arelisdns53: so that means i can keep my hardy install for years?11:27
kahrytananyone else use nvidia and hardy?11:27
AmyRosekahrytan: I do11:27
kahrytanAmyRose->  you try running Extreme Tux Racer at 800x600?11:28
kahrytanAmyRose-> Desktop at native, game at 800x600.11:28
AmyRoseok11:28
AmyRoseI'll try11:28
kahrytanAmyRose->  wanna see if my recent bug is just me11:28
dns53if you use gnomeyes, kde is not lts11:28
doug2266778822ccooke:  or topyli where do i find the folder options so i can make them open on a single click?11:28
Arelisdns53: ok11:29
AmyRosekahrytan: Works fine for me11:29
kahrytanAmyRose-> I get out of range error on my monitor11:29
Arelisdns53: So, as a final check: I don't need to reinstall my Ubuntu Hardy Release Candidate when the final comes out?11:29
kahrytanAmyRose->  native is 1440x900 and game starts in 800x60011:30
AmyRosekahrytan: Might be because I'm on a laptop... are you on a desktop?11:30
kahrytanAmyRose->  yeah (bug 220952)11:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22095211:30
AmyRosekahrytan: It's probably just an X misconfiguration11:31
AmyRoseIt's probably trying to set a refresh rate your monitor can't handle11:31
timfrostArelis: no - from beta or RC, if you install the software updates, that will take you to the final release11:31
kahrytanAmyRose->  if desktop resolution is set to 800x600, they run fine.11:31
Arelistimfrost: okay11:31
AmyRosekahrytan: I had a similar problem with my 640×480 resolution. It was either appearing black or with the bottom chopped off. I fixed it by modifying my X config11:32
dns53Arelis if you are going to be supporting it for years you may not want to start with the alpha versions but a rc is close enough to release there should not be too many bugs with the packages11:32
kahrytanAmyRose->  Monitor gives Out of Range error though So no video11:32
AmyRosekahrytan: That's still probably just an X misconfiguration. It's probably defaulting to a refresh rate your monitor can't handle. Is it using VESA DDC to figure out what the monitor can handle?11:33
AmyRoseWhen you set the desktop to 800×600, it's probably also setting the refresh rate manually too11:34
ccookedoug2266778822_: (sorry, afk) Open Edit -> Preferences while you're in a directory view, then look iin the Behaviour tab11:34
kahrytanAmyRose->  there is no modelines set11:35
doug2266778822_ccooke:  thanks and topyli if u said it sorry comp froze lol11:35
Arelisdns53: Okay. Well, i installed from a Release Candidate so then it should be fine, right?11:35
kahrytanAmyRose-> vesa ddc?11:35
prodigelcan someone help trace my gdm problem? It crashes even when trying to change background picture, or view panel properties11:35
dns53Arelis yes11:35
doug2266778822_kahrytan:  how do i install the latest wine? i have still 0.9.4611:36
kahrytandoug2266778822_->  winehq.org11:36
doug2266778822_thanks11:37
kahrytanAmyRose->  umm maybe you are right.11:37
kahrytanAmyRose->  It could be using 800x600 at wrong refresh rate11:37
ccookedoug2266778822_: you should probably try the latest wine in Hardy firt11:37
AmyRosekahrytan: That's what the out of range error means.11:37
ccookedoug2266778822_: upgrading will have disabled your universe and multiverse repositories, if you had them before11:37
AmyRosekahrytan: It's probably a driver misconfiguration or bug, not a bug with the game11:38
ccookedoug2266778822_: you can re-enable them in System -> Administration -> Software Sources11:38
doug2266778822_ccooke:  i got it working but when it goes to load game it shuts down11:38
kahrytanAmyRose->  Now i just need someone to help me with modelines and define it11:38
ccookedoug2266778822_: unfortunate :-/11:38
ccookedoug2266778822_: There's not a lot we can help about in Wine - especially if you use a version that Ubuntu didn't supply11:39
kahrytanAmyRose->  So, its easier fixed.11:39
kahrytaneasy to fix11:39
doug2266778822_ccooke:  i just seen what type i have its the 0.9.5911:39
kahrytanAmyRose->  It can't do 800x600 at 63/64mhz11:40
AmyRosekahrytan: I don't know of ANY monitor that can do 63 MHz!11:41
kahrytanAmyRose->  Obviously, drive or xorg is defaulting at one of them11:41
Kohelethwhere do I report a bug11:42
JeltnGoedendag11:42
kahrytanKoheleth->  I sense the force tells me bugs.launchpad.net11:42
Kohelethok11:43
doug2266778822hmm well guess i wont play that game no more lol11:43
Jeltnweet iemand hoe ik de Siemens PCMIA pc card 54 onder xubuntu moet installeren?11:43
Kohelethis there a program within Hardy11:43
kahrytanKoheleth->  No.11:43
eklofAnyone heard of the preferred way to migrate a Ubuntu 6.06 server to 8.04 server? No X on it. Aptitude?11:43
Kohelethok11:43
kahrytanSo, anyone can help me with my issue?11:44
Kohelethwhats the issue11:44
Fritzeldoes ubuntu have something against soundblasters?11:44
dns53eklof i just change the sources.list to the new version and dist-upgrade but there may be other ways11:44
kahrytanxorg refresh rate11:45
eklofdns53: using apt-get or aptitute?11:45
Kohelethwhats up with it11:45
FritzelI've used several soundblasters and I always have crackles on them but when using onboard sound it's flawless11:45
eklofdoes apt-get remove obsolete packages and so on ?11:45
dns53eklof both work, i prefer apt myself, they both are based on the same library11:45
eklofOk.11:45
dns53there is apt-get autoremove to get obsolete packages11:46
oholikshi all, do-release-upgrade borks for me even after removing "third party" software, so I tried apt-get but it wants to  remove such essentials as xdpyinfo, xset, xrandr, xhost, xmessage, is this to be expected?11:46
dns53oholiks try just installing ubuntu-desktop or whatever version you use to get the base then dist-upgrade11:48
kahrytanAnyone got experience in setting refresh rates?11:49
dns53oholiks the if all else fails get rid of everthing except ubuntu-minimal and then install what you want manually11:49
oholiksdns53: thanks, seems to work although it still wants to remove those apps11:49
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oholiksdns53: i'll make a note and install manually later, thanks11:50
dns53oholiks you could save your currently installed packages to a file, install the minimum then reinstall your current packages11:50
JeltnSoembody know how to install a PCIMIA Siemens PC card 54 ?11:51
Jeltncause it not automatily suported11:51
oholiksdns53: yeah, to much hassle, if I don't remember the name, then I probably don't need it =)11:51
dns53oholiks dpkg --get-selections >somefile,   dpkg --set-selections < somefile11:51
oholiksdns53: i know, it's cool11:52
oholiksdns53: COLUMNS=120 could be good with that one11:52
oholiksdns53: to not cut of long package names11:52
Jeltnsoemone?11:52
dns53Jeltn what is it, what does it do?11:53
Jeltnyou mean the Siemens PCIMIA PC card 54?11:54
dns53Jeltn yes, what is your problem11:54
Jeltnit is a bout my wireless ncard i installed ubuntu 8.0.4 but it doesnt work automaticly11:55
Jeltnbut i heard from NDISwrapper or something, but i have no idea how to use it11:57
dns53wreless is a problem with linux, i don't know anything about your card but you might want to check the wiki and forums11:57
dns53!ndiswrapper11:57
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs11:57
oholiksdns53: oh sorry to bother you again, but it was expected to remove x*-packages, it was not just my dist/install?11:58
KrimZoni have a problem playing audo still - vlc often speeds up my music by about 1 or 2 semitones, and at the same time there's this weird hissing sound like a cat with bronchitis11:59
oholiksdns53: so I can tell  my fellow unbunters not to worry11:59
virtuald!pastebin12:01
ubotupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)12:01
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muszekhi... are the pulse audio volume controls available in hardy?  I still get the regular, old gnome volume control, but the "not available" notice went away from alpha/beta/rc articles on wiki...12:04
virtualdcan anyone help me with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ ?12:04
kahrytanCan someone help me generate custom modeline for my monitor?12:08
hwilde_kahrytan,   Modes           "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"12:10
kahrytanhwilde_-> I need one that excludes 73/64 refresh rate on 800x60012:11
jscinozI have a process using 100% CPU that i can't kill, it ignores every signal and survives an X restart (which is strange as this process is totem) is there anyway to kill this process without a reboot12:11
kahrytanhwilde_-> I need one that excludes 63/64 refresh rate on 800x60012:11
kahrytanhwilde_-> Monitor has 1400x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native.12:12
kahrytanhwilde_-> Monitor has 1440x900 @ 60mhz, 75mhz native. ooops12:13
hwilde_kahrytan, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973  HOWTO: change resolution/refresh rate in Xorg12:14
kahrytanhwilde_-> already there.12:14
kahrytanhwilde_-> its about setting v and h rates12:14
hwilde_don't you see where it gives you the modeline example12:15
zigfordSo, about 3 weeks ago, my ubuntu 6.06 LTS server hdd crashed.  It was sad, because I was really hoping it would last until the next LTS.  So I went ahead and rebuilt my machine on 8.04 rc.  Will there be a negative impact on my system because it started out as a RC rather than a fresh stable?12:15
hwilde_zigford, not if you get all the updates12:16
zigfordThere are no extra logging and debuging options that I might need to turn off?12:16
muszekzigford: there are very little changes between rc and "full" release12:16
kahrytanhwilde_-> Modeline "1440x810@60" 95.28 1440 1472 1832 1864 810 826 834 851 ?12:17
zigfordsweetness.  For the record, Heron was about one billion times easier to setup my madwifi/ethernet bridge12:17
kahrytanman, I need some serious help12:20
dns53kahrytan have you tried moving your xorg.conf and starting without one?12:20
kahrytandns53->  and that would accomplish what?12:21
dns53xorg can start without an xorg.conf and may be able to automatically detect everything12:22
kahrytandns53->  I justneed to keep xorg/driver away from 63/64 refresh rate.12:22
kahrytandns53->  i didnt change it since hardy install.12:22
kahrytanexcept for restricted driver install12:22
oholiksyay, that worked fine, although firefox 3 is a dissapointment.. ofcourse it invalidated all my addons, time to downgrade it =)12:24
kahrytanoholiks->  I created an exclusive club for those downgrades. wanna join? Im leader12:24
Assidmirrors synched yet ?12:24
KrimZonone day left to fix ff3 ;)12:24
oholikskahrytan: haha, easy!12:24
kahrytanI remember ASSID !!!!!!!!12:25
kahrytanI'm been waiting for you12:25
Assidyou do ?12:25
Assidwhy doy ou remember me ?12:25
Assidwhat did i do this time?12:25
kahrytanmaybe sure you get those server ready.12:25
* Assid hides12:25
KrimZondoes anyone know if 1.5 and 2 have that problem where firefox can't view some jpeg images in the browser and forces them to be downloaded?12:25
_Rambaldi_command for changing lcd brightness in terminal, anyone?12:25
bikeboyKrimZon: what's your particular problem with Fx3?12:25
kahrytanAssid-> i want all that bandwith12:25
Assidhaha12:26
KrimZonkahrytan: the thing with opening jpegs12:26
Assidthis time im thinking of not offering http downloads12:26
KrimZonand half the extensions not having caught up properly yet12:26
Assidonly participating in torrent12:26
kahrytanAssid->  You the guy that made my last iso download oh so fast12:26
bikeboycan't say I've had a problem with jpegs under Fx3, you could try a nightly though - very easy to do12:26
rhineheart_mhello.. hardy will be released tomorrow?12:27
kahrytanrhineheart_m->  according to Hobbsee, for every person who keeps asking that, 2hrs gets added to release time.12:27
Assidkahrytan:  glad i could help12:27
Assidbut first i need to get one of the mirror managers to let me leech12:27
kahrytanrhineheart_m->  from #ubuntu-release-party topic12:27
bikeboyhaha, good on her12:27
dns53kahrytan will it be released tomorrow?12:28
oholikshm, why xlsfonts show knickers, but aterm/urxvt cannot use it.. fc-cache -f didn't fix it12:28
kahrytanPatience is a viture12:28
Hobbseebikeboy: :)12:28
kahrytanvirtue12:28
guja_nebeskaAnyone using Hardy on Macbook?12:28
kahrytanAnyone got advanced knowlege in xorg config?12:29
dns53just man xorg.conf12:29
kahrytandns53->  and i wil rather slice my thoat then read one man page12:29
* kahrytan hates man pages 12:30
oholiksbut they will get you far12:30
Assidkahrytan: so im guess you will enjoy downloading it at 3K/sec :P12:30
Assidhehehe12:30
kahrytanMan pages are the most unuser friendly full of techno babble that i can hardly understand.12:30
oholiksask the question kahrytan, what's up with your config?12:31
kahrytannot to mentio navigating them is just as hard12:31
oholiksit's like regular vi at all times12:31
oholiksand with most linux even pgup/pgdn and arrow keys work12:32
kahrytanoholiks->  Need to define modeline that ignores 800x600 63/64mhz refresh.12:32
oholikskahrytan: that's a pain for sure =)12:32
Assidsweeet .. my php rpc server is almost done12:32
oholikskahrytan: but you could find apps to generate modelines for you12:32
Assidto do EVERYTHING i need12:32
* Assid does the chicken dance12:32
kahrytanoholiks-> Its hardy bug... games that default to it use either one of them and produce out of range error on monitor12:32
kahrytanoholiks->  I only got 1440x900 60,75mhz spec info. thats it12:33
kahrytanModes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?12:34
oholikskahrytan: http://www.calmar.ws/firefox/vimperator/vimperator_0.6pre.xpi for ff312:34
* kahrytan downgraded to ff212:34
kahrytanModes "1024x768_75.00"  < is the _75 the refresh rate?12:35
Assidhey Hobbsee you about?12:35
virtualdhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64099/ can anyone help me with this?12:35
kahrytanmaybe12:35
ubuntudemonHey. Can I do anything to provide more information to this bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220640 And does anybody know how to use ipw3945 with Hardy's kernel ?12:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220640 in linux "[hardy] iwl3945 + wpasupplicant fails to connect to university network. regression from gutsy (ipw3945+wpasupplicant)" [Undecided,New]12:35
HobbseeAssid: sort of12:35
kahrytanAssid->  i am on hardy so I am not in a rush to upgrade.12:35
sajuukhey guys, upgrading from dapper drake and the distribution upgrade has hung on 'deleting obselete programs,'  it has been that way for an hour, what has happened and what can i do?12:35
Assidu got access to one of those mirrors dont you?12:36
Assidkahrytan: yeah you dont need to12:36
HobbseeAssid: one of which mirror?12:36
Assiddistribution mirrors for iso files12:36
kahrytanAssid wants to leech so he can power the torrent12:36
guja_nebeskaOjha.12:36
HobbseeAssid: no12:36
Assidhrmm oh well12:36
guja_nebeskaAnyone using Hardy on Macbook?12:36
kahrytanAssid, Suggestion: contect Canonical/UC to see if you can get into i nthe mirroring.12:36
ArelisWhere can i get applets for the GNOME panel?12:36
Assidkahrytan: im not donating more than 100-200GB of of transfer12:37
Assidthats it12:37
kahrytanAssid->  theres a minimal?12:37
sajuukanyone had that problem?12:37
JPSmanhelp12:37
JPSmanI tanked my wireless on hardy12:37
Assidunless i feel generous and a hot chick comes up to me and requests it.. and takes me out for some drinks which keeps me away from the "cancel seed" button12:37
kahrytanAssid->  did i mention i livei n paradise now (hawaii)12:38
JPSmani tried to create my own driver and now I dont have anything.  How do I revert back to distro's driver?12:38
Assidkahrytan: stilll deosnt get me away from my pc now does it :P12:38
sajuukJPS did u upgrade via distro upgrade? cos mine has frozen and dunno what to do12:38
kahrytanAssid->  You wont cancel see until the seeders can handle it without you12:39
kahrytanseed*12:39
JPSmanSajuuk: i upgraded with the alternate iso CD12:39
Assidsure they can12:39
sajuukok12:39
Assidi ws seeding the last RC.. and oh man12:39
sajuukso i wonder what the hell happened to my upgrade then12:39
kahrytanwhich rc?12:39
Assidpeople were downloading from me at 2M/sec12:39
Assidlike 4-5 days back12:39
kahrytanHardy rc?12:40
Assidyeah12:40
sajuukyeah12:40
Assid2M/sec per peer12:40
kahrytanThat iso burned corrupted for me12:40
Assidwhich was pretty nice12:40
Assidused up 8-9MByte/sec average speeds12:40
neo1itehi, does anybody know whats happened to vnc with 8.0412:40
kahrytanim made at that torrent12:40
kahrytani burned coaster cuz of it12:41
JPSmanfrisbee12:41
Assidhehe12:41
Assidyeah frisbee that can cut your dogs lips12:41
JPSmanlol12:41
kahrytanAssid->  whats your nick supposed to mean?12:41
Assidlong story short.. its Assid, too kiddish to mean anything now12:42
Assidso i just stuck with it12:42
JPSmanhow can I revert my rt2500 driver back to the original install?12:43
kahrytanLooks like a curse word12:43
JPSmanheck any driver for that matter12:44
KrimZonanyone who thinks ass is a curse word is a **** **** ******* **** *** **** ***** **** ******* **** ***12:44
kahrytanModes "1024x768_75.00" <--- is the 75.00 the refreshrate12:44
sajuukyes12:45
sajuuk75 would be in hz12:45
Assidi wish macromedia would work out of the box on linux12:45
sajuukso yeah 75 cycles per second12:45
Assidi could stop jumping back and forth12:45
sajuuki wish my heron could work full stop12:45
Assidherons jumping in the doo doo land12:46
sajuukhuh?12:46
kahrytansajuuk-> Modes "800x600_60.00" Wouldthat tell xorg to only use 60mhz refresh rate?12:46
Assidnvm12:46
jac0b|wI am getting a "kernel panic - VFS root device not found" error after the upgrade12:46
kahrytansajuuk->  for that resolution12:46
sajuukyes12:46
KrimZondoes anyone know why vlc keeps speeding up my tunes slightly?12:46
kahrytansajuuk->  oh good. that fixes my hardy bug maybe12:46
Akhorahilsomeone around who can help with ebox on 8..04?12:46
sajuukmaybe12:46
kahrytansajuuk-> bug #20059212:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 200592 in jabref "Jabref coredumps on startup because of locking assertion (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20059212:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87947 in libxcb "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8794712:47
jac0b|wis anyone else having this problem?12:47
kahrytansajuuk-> bug #230592 oops12:47
kahrytandamn it12:47
kahrytanoop sorry12:47
sajuuklol12:47
kahrytansajuuk-> bug 220592 there12:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220592 in nautilus "File operations dialogue display bad characters (dup-of: 218857)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22059212:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 218857 in language-pack-gnome-es-base "error in copying dialog window in nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21885712:47
Akhorahilwhat I try to do is to create a router with it, setting one interface external and the other static with dhcp seems to work12:47
Akhorahildns does work, but somehow masquerading doesn't12:47
Akhorahilshould i do something extra?12:47
kahrytansajuuk->  i give up, 220952.12:48
sajuukhmm how long does it take for heron to install on dapper system?12:49
jac0b|wI am getting a "kernel panic - VFS root device not found" error after upgrade12:51
d4t4min31wasn't the new release supposed to be today12:52
d4t4min31yesterday the said one day to go... today it says one day to go12:53
bazhangApril 24th12:53
ttkeppi24th day it will be out12:53
d4t4min31if I download the test release when the full version comes out can I update to that from the beta12:53
rippsI think they go by GMT12:53
d4t4min31or do I have to dl the officaal verson12:54
bazhangd4t4min31: aye12:54
d4t4min31I can update?12:54
sajuukaye to the former?12:54
sajuukor to the latter?12:54
bazhangfirst one12:54
lummguess it will take to leech the image till 25 anyway12:54
lummhah:p12:54
jac0b|wI am getting a kernel panic upon reboot after I upgraded from the internet12:54
sajuukhmm12:55
rippsThe beta IS the Official, the only difference is the packages installed. Your system will be the same as the Official just by using Update-manager.12:55
sajuukmy setup is still going after an hour and a half12:55
sajuukdapper > hardy12:55
* Assid wonders if this is a premature release12:56
neo1itecan anybody help me set up a VNC server with 8.0412:56
Assidtoo many people had issues with the beta12:56
sajuukrightio12:56
sajuukwell12:56
mvosajuuk: 1,5h> the upgrade is still running? or hanging at some stage?12:56
bazhangbeen running since alpha three and only one major problem--the libc6 one12:56
sajuukits running12:57
mvosajuuk: at what stage is it currently?12:57
sajuukbut its just stopped at search for obselete programs12:57
rippsI let my system download overnight, there were so many downloads to make.12:57
Assidif your system is anciently old..12:57
rippsWhen I first upgraded.12:57
mvosajuuk: ok, that may take some time (but not 1,5h)12:57
Assidas in the packages... your better off with a fresh iso12:57
sajuukthe hdd is only 55 gig12:58
sajuukshouldnt take that long12:58
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sajuukand linux been on here for 2-3 weeks12:58
sajuukso it shouldnt take that long12:58
mvosajuuk: is it at this particular stage since 1,5h ?12:58
sajuukyes12:58
sajuukthe window is frozen, all i see is grey12:59
sajuukbut it refreshes once every so often so i can see where its hanging at12:59
mvosajuuk: is there output if you run (in a terminal): tail -f  /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log  ?12:59
sajuukyes13:00
rippsMy download was about 3 hours. Of course, my brother was hogging the internet that night, so I wasn't getting the best bandwidth then.13:00
sajuukits doing alot of considering and removing13:00
sajuukbtw my system is a 1.6 ghz with 256 mb13:01
sajuukof ram13:01
mvosajuuk: hm, ok. that is a bit excessive (time-wise). please keep it running as long as it produces output and please sent me the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ once its finished, I would like to have a closer look and see if there is room for optimisation13:02
sajuukcool13:02
sajuukgot an email ?13:02
sajuukpm me13:02
IdleOnehmmmm system restart required??? with no kernel upgrade??? why is that?13:03
rippsDoes anybody know if the TV Tuner bug caused HAL to fail has been fixed yet?13:05
AdysAny idea how to enable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point13:05
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PiciHardyOne: There was a l-u-m update recently, that would probably ask for a reboot13:07
HardyOnePici: l-u-m stands for?13:07
HardyOnelinux user manual??13:07
PiciHardyOne: Linux-ubuntu-modules13:07
HardyOneheh13:07
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HardyOneahh that would make sense. but I just did the upgrade when update-manager poped up on my desktop and did not see any modeules being updated13:08
HardyOnemodules*]13:08
HardyOneerrrrr13:08
HardyOnePici: thanks for the answer though13:09
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rippsHuh... My Xserver just crashed again, out of nowhere. It's been doing this about once a day now. I have no idea what's causing it.13:13
JPSmancan anyone tell me about modules.dep?  is it safe to edit?  what do the  :  mean?13:13
mvoripps: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that looks suspicious? or a crashfile maybe in /var/crash ?13:14
user11which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together13:15
Fritzelwhat is the name of the program that gnome uses to request administrative access?13:15
the0how do i enebale desktop effects in 8.04 (I got an ati)13:15
PolarFoxI have a question, has anyone stumbled across problems with initramfs-tools upgrade in recent days...13:15
Fritzelthe0, System -> Preferences -> Appearance13:16
user11On Hardy which is the best java package to install which wont break and gives me Java and Jre together13:16
the0i tried13:16
VolkodavHow do I install  googleearth-package ?13:16
Fritzelthe0, then visual effects13:16
tanaththe0, sys>prefs>appearance>last tab13:16
the0it said "could not enable desktop effcts"13:16
kahrytanPop Quiz: Will this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 6013:16
PolarFoxupdate-initramfs script hangs :(13:16
tanaththe0, make sure you have direct rendering13:16
Fritzelthe0, you need to install a working video driver then first13:16
the0i have an ati 1650 PRO13:17
tanaththe0, type "glxinfo | grep -i direct" in a terminal and see if it says you have direct rendering13:17
rippsIt says Signal 1113:17
the0i dont have it13:18
Fritzelwhat is the gnome equivilant of sudo13:18
tanaththen you need to use a video driver that enables it13:18
Fritzelthe0, I'm nvidia I have no idea how to work with ati13:18
the0ok13:18
tanaththe0, try running 'gksu displayconfig-gtk'13:18
the0thanks13:18
Assidyour nvidia ?13:19
the0im ati13:19
rippsmvo: The only thing I can find is that the Xserver caught a Signal 11.13:19
Assidand im intel13:19
the0im amd13:19
Assidbow down to my pr0wress13:19
tanaththe0, try different drivers, and click the test button. when you get one that works, check for direct rendering again13:19
Assidha.. your broke13:19
the0where do i get the drivers?13:19
mvoripps: does /var/crash contain a crash file that looks like it is releated?13:19
tanaththe0, when you get it working, then you can enable compiz13:19
the0i searched google but didnt find much13:19
Fritzeltanath, thank you for answering my question in response to someone else ^^13:19
tanathFritzel, :D13:20
rippsnothing recent in /var/crash, just an old Gnome-keyring, pressure_applet, and rhythmbox. All of these were from a week ago.13:20
tanaththe0, if you need the fglrx driver, you can install it with 'sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx'13:21
mvohrm, a crash file would have been good13:21
kahrytanWill this work in xorg  ' "Modes "1440x900_75.00"  "800x600_60" ' and tell xorg not to use any other refresh rate for 800x600 then 6013:21
the0ok13:21
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rippsthe0 and tanath: I know it isn't officially supported, but I really like EnvyNG for installing ATI Drivers.13:22
tanathcan anyone tell me why i wouldn't be able to unmount a partition, which it says is busy, when lsof says nothing's using it?13:22
tanathripps, my way worked for me13:22
tanathripps, i think i tried that once and it made things messy, IIRC13:23
tanathripps, so i think there's a good reason it's not officially supported13:23
FritzelI also have to say I like Envyng13:23
rippsWell, we all take our own paths.13:23
rippsdon't confuse EnvyNG with Envy legacy. The original Envy was messy, EnvyNG isn't.13:23
tanathargh... nvm... now it unmounts 10 mins later13:24
tanathripps, hm. i might be doing that13:24
the0I instaled the driver and the appearance settings window will not open anymore13:24
tanaththe0, odd. you have direct rendering now?13:24
PolarFoxWell, now I know that mkinitramfs launches awk that stops... I just don't know what that means :)13:24
the0ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep -i direct13:25
the0No protocol specified13:25
the0Error: unable to open display :0.013:25
tanaththe0, then that's not the driver you want ;)13:25
rippsAdd a launcher to my panel that runs "sudo umount /media/*", I use before restarting, just so I don't have to log into windows to fix unproperly unmounted ntfs partitions.13:25
tanathripps, that directed at me?13:26
tanathcause it was a vfat partition, and i needed to umount it because that part of the drive is dying and messing things up13:27
the0thanks for all your help13:27
tanaththe0, got it?13:27
rippsno, not really.13:27
rippsI just wanted to mention it.13:27
the0i will try again tomrow with the new ubuntu :)13:27
tanathah13:27
the0bye bye13:28
tanaththe0, k. good luck13:28
the0thanks13:28
tanathnp13:28
jac0b|wI am getting a VFS error on reboot after my upgrade13:28
jac0b|wbut my old kernel boots fine13:28
tanathripps, ah. well, personally i don't have any ntfs drives. haven't had windows on my comp in years13:28
tanathnot since it crashed and corrupted the FAT, and i lost ~140Gb of data13:28
tanaththen i switched to linux13:29
Assidtanath: still waiting for that to happen to me13:29
jac0b|wis anyone else having the VFS problem?13:29
tanathAssid, hopefully you keep waiting :P13:29
Assidso i can say "ahh screw windows.. tiredof this.."13:29
rippsNot me...13:29
tanathAssid, heh. no need for an excuse13:29
tanathAssid, you can always dual-boot...13:30
Assidtrust me.. id ont dual boot13:30
tanath?13:30
Assidim now thinking of hackintosh13:30
tanathwhy no dual-boot?13:30
Assidcause i know myself13:30
Assidi never get myself to do it13:30
tanatho.O13:30
beilabshas anyone been having issues with Pidgin crashing on the latest updates with Hardy?13:30
jac0b|wwhat version kernel are you running the latest or something else13:30
tanathbeilabs, nope13:30
Assidid rather stick to the os im using13:30
tanathAssid, but when you do have an issue, it'd be nice to have the alternative OS to boot to ;)13:31
tanathAssid, can help with troubleshooting & fixing13:31
Assidaah.. thats where my live cd comes in13:31
tanathah13:31
Assidor windows PE worse case scenario13:31
tanathbut that's slower, and doesn't remember customizations, etc13:32
rippsI've been using the latest rt kernel instead of generic. Most of my issues are gone.13:32
Assidwho cares abt custoization if your just troubleshooting13:32
tanathbah13:32
Assid:P13:32
chimpQuick question, is the official release tonight at 12.00 UTC?13:32
tanathAssid, really though, if you want to try it, why not dive in?13:32
Assidtanath: i was using it..13:32
tanathAssid, maybe just set up another box with it13:32
Assidtanath: gave away my 2nd box..  not enough space13:32
tanathah well13:33
tanathyou'll prolly switch eventually13:33
Assidi guess13:33
tanathto something, anyway13:33
Assidhonestly getting tired of the same ol interface13:33
Assidyeah13:33
jac0b|wcould my kernel problem be that I am using ext313:33
Assidhence why im eyeing hackintosh13:34
tanathbut really, nothing else compares to my personally configured linbox13:34
jac0b|wand its not loading that driver13:34
tanathi feel crippled on other systems13:34
Assidwhat you configured?13:34
JPSmanwhere are the kernel drivers located on the desktop-alt cd?13:34
tanathlots of things13:34
rippsDoes anybody know how close ext4 is to completion?13:34
Assidtanath: if compiz gets a bit more stable.. it has alot of potential13:34
Assidwould be sweet if adobe starts supporting linux native apps13:35
tanathbut windows doesn't even have the powerful shell other systems do13:35
tanathAssid, true... i imagine it will get that way with hardy coming out13:35
Assiderr no13:35
tanathit's a significant release. the 2nd LTS13:35
Assidpersonally i think its gonna be hardy+1 when compiz is a bit more "stable"13:35
Assidit could be because of nvidia drivers.. i dont know13:35
tanathi mean, with the release of hardy, it will become so, and will be by the time of intrepid13:36
tanaththat's my bet13:36
JPSmanim looking specifically for /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2500.ko13:36
Assidit has potential13:36
Assidi mean real potential13:36
tanathindeed13:36
JPSmanwhere is that loacted (what package) on the install CD?13:36
JPSmanor how can I find it?13:37
tanathaero doesn't even compare to it, but is a resource hog. according to MS's min specs, i couldn't run it, but i can do much more with compiz with ease13:37
mib_ne93bkrqhello all13:37
Assidtanath: well aeros isnt even in the same ball park13:38
Assidtanath: would like to see it compete against something competable.. like macintosh systems13:38
tanathAssid, you don't think it does? personally i haven't used a mac in years, so..13:38
Assidtanath: too many crashes to be certain13:39
tanathAssid, oh, i thought you meant in terms of features13:39
Assidalso.. one thing it does enjoy is the shell integrates with its gui interface13:39
tanathAssid, i'm pretty sure compiz does more13:39
Assidtry it13:39
tanathAssid, but it's getting there in terms of stability13:40
Assidyeah13:40
Assidi dont know who to blame.. people say nvidia drivers13:40
Assidbut then.. at the end of the day.. users cant use it perfectly can they13:40
x-iphi, i was reading the doc at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Elbuntu?action=show&redirect=Ebuntu#head-e5b8ed2e7cb0398b7959809b718f1950bc379ca6 to install e17 at my hardy heron, but the repository link gives me a 404. Its possible to install e17 at hardy heron ?13:40
tanathAssid, well nvidia & ati/amd are becoming more open with their drivers, so i expect improvement13:40
x-ipwell, if there is a valid repository13:41
Assidright.. "expect" is something of long term future13:41
tanathAssid, it's pretty stable if you don't use certain plugins13:41
Assidat the moment.. people suffer13:41
tanathAssid, i've turned off useless stuff, like the animations13:41
Assidthen whats the fun in that13:41
tanathAssid, and it rarely has probs now13:41
manfromnshello13:41
Assidi got a nvidia 8600gts card. cmon i want to make use of it13:41
tanathassasukasse, i mean the 'animations' plugin. i stick to the useful stuff, like the cube, zooming, negative, put, etc13:42
manfromnsif i upgrade to hardy will i lose files etc13:42
Assidnot in microsoft's sense where it will still crawl cause of bad coding13:42
kahrytanLadies and Gentlemen, I need some help configuring xorg.conf on 1440x900 native monitor   that doesnt support 800x600 63,64hz refresh. I need to tell xorg not to use those refresh rates. Can someone help me?13:42
odioushi. can we download 8.04 yet? :)13:42
kahrytanI tried to do myself but failed.13:42
Jeeves_HALLO!13:42
Assidodious: try back in 24 hours13:42
tanathodious, you can13:42
kahrytanodious->  RC you can.13:42
HardyOnehey Jeeves_ can I ask you something?13:42
Jeeves_HardyOne: Sure13:42
tanathodious, you can run 'sudo update-manager -d' to upgrade13:42
odiousis it still 24 hours?13:43
tanathor gksu instead of sudo13:43
Jeeves_HardyOne: Well?13:43
tanathkahrytan, did you play with displayconfig-gtk?13:43
odiousi've always been dubious about dist-upgrade :P13:44
tanathodious, always been good to me13:44
tanathodious, as long as you're careful with your repos anyway13:44
manfromnscan it be done with wireless?13:44
HardyOneJeeves_: lmao I did!13:44
kahrytantanath-> Never heard of that.13:44
HardyOneAsk Jeeves_ ! could not help myself13:45
Jeeves_HardyOne: rotflmao!13:45
Jeeves_You toooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny dude!13:45
Jeeves_Did you think of that one yourselve?13:45
tanathkahrytan, run 'gksu displayconfig-gkt' and it'll give a gui for configuring x13:45
PiciLD13:45
HardyOneno need to be a jack ass about it Jeeves_13:45
tanathkahrytan, mainly for getting the right driver, but you can select the resolution too13:45
Jeeves_Or did you go to school for that13:45
HardyOne:/13:45
HardyOneI didnt say it was a good joke13:46
tanathkahrytan, and refresh rate13:46
AndycasssWith this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???13:46
kahrytantanath-> for what?13:46
tanathkahrytan, hm?13:46
kahrytantanath-> monitor?13:46
Jeeves_HardyOne: Cry-baby13:47
tanathkahrytan, is there another kind of video refresh rate?13:47
_Rambaldi_i have terrible video jittering ( blockiness) especially when it pans horizontally what can i fix this, its rather annoying in fullscreen, all kinda of video so far no fix13:47
kahrytantanath->  What do you mean?13:47
tanath_Rambaldi_, you using the right driver?13:47
tanathkahrytan, what do you mean? lol13:47
kahrytantanath->  I got list of supported refresh rates for all support resolutions13:47
HardyOneJeeves_: ok. let's start over. Hello Jeeves_ !13:47
_Rambaldi_i thought i was tanath13:48
_Rambaldi_how to do i find out which driver i am using13:48
tanathkahrytan, will you be changing your resolution or refresh rate? or do you just want to pick one to use that works and you're satisfied with?13:48
kahrytantanath->  I have a hard bug you see, #220952 zI think13:49
kahrytantanath-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/22095213:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220952 in ubuntu "Out of Range for 800x600 full screen games" [Undecided,New]13:50
kahrytantanath->  I narrowed it down to, thanks to amyrose, to the fact the system may using refresh rates at 800x600 that monitor DOES NOT support.13:50
tanathkahrytan, ah...13:50
AdysAny idea how to reenable the virtual terminals? for some reason i lost them all at some point, probably when i upgraded to hh a while ago13:50
kahrytantanath->  understand now?13:51
jeplerwith kernel linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_amd64.deb I don't have a /dev/cdrom.  I haven't found a launchpad bug for this -- anyone know a search term I might try?13:51
tanathkahrytan, you might be able to configure the game to use a higher resolution13:51
tanathkahrytan, yep13:51
kahrytantanath->  Some of them, likes to reset itself.. game bug.13:51
tanathkahrytan, might be difficult without actually running the game...13:51
tanathkahrytan, damn13:51
tanathkahrytan, that sounds like quite a PITA13:51
kahrytantanath-> Wolfstein: ET for one13:51
aoupihi, how do I erase data on a DVD+RW?13:52
kahrytantanath->  So i guess I have to need to tell xorg what refresh rates to use for 800x60013:52
odioushttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop <- so at 12:01AM GMT, 24 april?13:52
odious:P13:52
Piciodious: no, when its done13:52
aoupiboth nautilus gives me errors without any information13:52
aoupi*both nautilus and brasero13:52
tanath_Rambaldi_, you can configure your driver, et all with 'gksu displayconfig-gtk' and make sure you're using the right driver (by testing) and checking for direct rendering with 'glxinfo | grep -i direct'13:52
kahrytantanath->  that tool you gave me,... it doesnt detect my monitor.13:52
_Rambaldi_thanks tanath13:53
tanathkahrytan, you can select the make & model manually13:53
odiousPici: okay, so it's still in the process of being put together. wow! you guys scrumming or something? :)13:53
kahrytantanath->  not listed13:53
Assid"The combination of Linux and Firefox make Ubuntu 8.04 LTS a superb web desktop, with fast browsing and greatly reduced exposure to viruses, web forgery and spyware." ?13:53
Assidviruses ? spyware ?!?13:53
tanathkahrytan, hm. often a similar make & model will suffice13:54
kahrytantanath->  nor Generic LCD 1440x900 will give 1440x900 resolution13:54
tanathkahrytan, or that... damn13:54
kahrytanViewsonic VA1916w13:54
tanathAssid, ?13:54
Assidtanath: its there: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop13:55
wingydingyhow do i install a patch?13:55
wingydingyhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/13831729/macbook-backlight-mmap.patch is the patch i need to install13:55
tanathAssid, yeah, but your reaction...13:55
Assiderr we dont have "viruses , spyware" as suych13:56
kahrytantanath->  wait a minute. Generic LCD i didnt check widescreen box.13:56
Assidpretty much proof of concept13:56
tanathAssid, well there are viruses, though they're rare13:56
tanathyeah13:56
Assidnot really.. cause even if you download em13:56
Assidthey arent executable13:56
tanathAssid, there really isn't much but it's not completely non-existent13:57
tanathAssid, wine13:57
guillem101tanath, technically, they are either worms or trojans13:57
Assidwell wine maps back to C: which is again ~.wine/13:57
Assidso even if ytou delete that.. you dont mess the system13:58
tanathAssid, linux would be vulnerable to certain JS exploits. there's a polymorphic javascript virus for win that i think would work on linux too13:58
Assidwell js exploits and XSS yeah13:58
kahrytantanath->  umm generic does the support resolutions wong but 800 and 1400 have good refresh rates13:58
tanathguillem101, there's a virus that comes with a man page, with removal instructions... :D13:58
tanathkahrytan, well you can tweak the xorg.conf file after that...13:59
guillem101tanath, sudo apt-get install virus13:59
AndycasssWith this 8.04 RC my nx6325 laptop doesnt want to boot normally anymore, i get gnome error at startup (which btw takes 5min to boot), then it is on the minimal theme and finally after 10min it will load fully (the booting music plays). What the hell???13:59
kahrytantanath->  make basic conf then tweak it?13:59
tanathkahrytan, yeah13:59
tanathkahrytan, you could run 'sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to configure x too13:59
tanathand specify refresh rates, etc14:00
kahrytantanath-> i did that once ... It was gibbish  to me14:00
tanathkahrytan, usually you can just hit enter on stuff you don't know14:00
tanathkahrytan, but you said you have the list of refresh rates and stuff. you can just limit it to what you know is good14:01
kahrytantanath->  itdidnt do anything14:01
tanathkahrytan, ?14:01
tanathkahrytan, there are long complicated lines you can add to xorg.conf by hand...14:02
tanathkahrytan, hold on14:02
kahrytantanath->  oh wait14:02
tanathkahrytan, i actually have an example you can use from my own xorg.conf14:02
tanathkahrytan, you can tweak it accordingly14:03
kahrytani just saved toconf14:03
kahrytan!pastebin14:03
ubotupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)14:03
kahrytantanath->  wanna see?14:03
tanathkahrytan, http://pastebin.ca/99447114:03
tanathkahrytan, see what?14:03
kahrytantanath->  this doesnt make sense to me.. 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 93214:03
tanatherm14:04
kahrytanI figured out why my edit was bad.. I did 800x600_6014:04
tanathwhere'd you get that from?14:04
tanathheh14:04
kahrytan modeline  "800x600@60" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync14:04
kahrytanI did modeline "1440x900_75" "800x600_60"14:05
tanathso you can fix it then14:05
kahrytanI used nano in tty14:05
kahrytanDoes it have to have the extra numbers to work?14:05
tanathah, no x server?14:06
kahrytanlow graphics14:06
tanathpersonally, i prefer vim14:06
tanathoh. why not gedit then?14:06
kahrytannano seemed easier14:06
kahrytani need what i edited and and i could remove it14:06
kahrytanand I know nano14:06
tanathkahrytan, the stuff on the end? not sure14:06
tanathkahrytan, well, yeah, whatever you know14:07
kahrytanthere was no modeline to start.14:07
tanathkahrytan, but gedit is easiest14:07
kahrytanI uses tty14:07
kahrytanno x14:07
tanathkahrytan, you said low graphics...14:07
tanathmeh14:07
kahrytanI made a backup setting in that tool14:08
kahrytanthe original14:08
infheya bazhang14:09
kahrytantanath->  what tool you use for that vsync numbers>14:09
tanathkahrytan, i forget...14:09
bazhanginf: couple of ways to do it14:09
tanathxvidtune perhaps14:10
infupdate-manager --devel-release?14:10
infjust seen that on link above...14:10
bazhanginf you can update-manager -d then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade14:10
kahrytantanath->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8397314:10
kahrytantanath->  thats where my idea for _ came from14:10
bazhanginf or just edit sources.list from gutsy to hardy and then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade14:11
infwonderful, I presume it'll update any changes tomorrow come the release if I move the devel tags?14:11
bazhangor was that just sudo apt-get upgrade the second instance? I forget14:11
infi'll have a read around ta14:11
bazhanginf if you wait til tomorrow the downloads will be slower14:12
infis what I thought, beat the rush a bit...!14:12
bazhanginf: if you upgrade to hardy then just keep updating, then you will be final tomorrow ;]14:12
kahrytantanath-> Suggestion: xresprobe14:13
infawesome ta ;)14:13
bazhangno worries ;]14:13
inf... now to figure out if I can get away from desk and grab 'coffee' for an hour :-D14:14
kahrytantanath->  you there?14:14
tanathsometimes.. :P14:14
tanathi think i used xvidtune14:14
kahrytantanath-> freq: 24-82 50-75 thats H and V freq for monitor?14:14
tanathlooks like it14:15
DerspanksterI've just noticed something strange. FF3 will not open a site that is readily accessible on my other computers. I've never seen this before. Could it somehow have been blacklisted?  It just won't connect!14:15
kahrytantanath-> xresprob gave me id: VA1916wSERIE ;res: 1440x1440 1440x900 1280x1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x400 640x480 ; freq: 24-82 50-7514:15
koudelkahas anyone here been using likewise open on 8.04?14:16
tanathkahrytan, ok, so you can use that to configure your xorg.conf...14:16
Leeuwhow do I get my toolbar back in kopete ?   I ticked ´ flat´  and now it´ s gone, can´ t gettit back...14:17
tanathDerspankster, any trouble with other sites on that comp?14:17
tanathDerspankster, they using the same connection?14:17
Derspankstertanath: no, not that I can determine. All boxes are on my network - yes.14:17
tanathDerspankster, try using ff3 on another box?14:18
kahrytantanath-> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl?14:18
goodhabitHello. Totem is changing color settings automatilcally. How to fix that annoying feauture?14:18
tanathkahrytan, looks handy14:19
DerspanksterI have FF3 installed on my Windows XP box. The site loads fine. My other Ubuntu computers are all running Gutsy with FF2 and they all connect to the site.14:19
tanathgoodhabit, use mplayer or vlc? :P14:19
jaffarkelshachow can i save the current settings of compiz14:19
kahrytantanath->  do i need modelines>14:20
goodhabittanath, don't like fullscreen interface of both of them.14:20
jac0b|wI can't boot the new kernel after I upgraded I get a kernel panic root device not found, can anyone help me14:20
tanathDerspankster, hm.. personally i use swiftfox 3... it's a tweaked version for speed. you might try it14:20
kahrytantanath  is real popular tonight14:20
tanathheh14:20
tanathi haven't even eaten breakfast yet14:20
tanathi came to ask a question, which ended up not needing answering, and got caught up helping people :P14:21
tanathjaffarkelshac, there's a button for that in the compiz config app14:21
Derspankstertanath: that's a thought but I think this issue has something to do with this specific install of FF3 and the site in question.14:21
tanathDerspankster, well, i'd recommend swiftfox anyway, and if it solves the problem... ;)14:22
kahrytantanath->  im gonna be crazy and try my orginal but with @14:22
tanathkahrytan, you have a backup, so feel free14:22
chimpWhat time is Hardy being released at?14:23
tanathkahrytan, i'm not exactly an expert in this area. i just know what i've needed to learn to get mine working, basically14:23
tanathsome time tomorrow...14:23
rskchimp: don't think it's that exact..14:23
tanathit prolly won't change much if at all between now and then14:23
chimpIs the RC now going to be the same as the final?14:23
chimpI wanna burn a couple of cds, dont wanna waste em14:24
kahrytantanath->  I just added thisd to original Modes"1440x800@75" "800x600@60"14:24
Picichimp: no14:24
Nom-wow vmware tools installed by default in 8.04? :D14:26
dystopianrayNom-: no14:26
koudelkait's a restricted driver14:26
tanathDerspankster, what exactly is the error?14:26
Nom-No?  Oh well.. vmware desktop must just have come a long way since the last time I used it14:26
koudelkawhat version are you using?14:27
Derspankstertanath: it just won't load, times out.14:27
dystopianrayNom-: I think there was some unsupported open source version of the vm tools in 8.04 at one point, but has since been removed14:27
Nom-hmm what did work send me... 6.something14:27
tanathDerspankster, trying pinging the site from that box?14:27
koudelkathe new v6 beta should do seamless desktop and work together with compiz14:27
Derspankstertanath: by the way, it's www.dslreports.com14:27
Nom-ooooh ok... the installer seems to really like VMWare... the CD I just downloaded might be out of date i guess14:27
tanathoh...14:27
koudelkathat is in linux14:27
dystopianrayNom-: did you get the RC?14:28
Nom-Yup14:28
Nom-ubuntu-8.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso14:28
Derspankstertanath: I can ping dslreports just fine14:28
tanathDerspankster, ok, so it's higher-level14:29
Derspankstertanath: yes14:29
tanathDerspankster, i forget, did you try another browser on that box?14:29
dystopianrayNom-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-April/011316.html14:29
dystopianrayNom-: the openvm tools were in ubuntu but were removed14:29
mohbanacan i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?14:30
Nom-ah fair enough... thanks dystopianray14:30
genieHello to all14:30
Derspankstertanath: FF2 is also installed and it cannot load the site either. Something changed in the past day or so.14:30
genie'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied14:30
genieYou do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.14:30
tanathDerspankster, you might try simply reinstalling ff3 to see if that does it, but i'd recommend swiftfox anyway14:30
tanathDerspankster, ah..14:30
Nom-It's just the VMWare Workstation that's come a long way then14:30
tanathDerspankster, so it's not just the browser14:30
geniewhy I don't get prompted to put sudo password?!14:30
Nom-I used Virtual Infrastructure Client @ work which is clunky in comparison lol14:31
Derspankstertanath: it's kind of like it's been blacklisted but I get no indication that it has. It just won't resolve the IP14:31
tanathDerspankster, unless you're using the same profile14:31
dystopianrayNom-: they were removed on april 21, after the RC was released14:31
dystopianraygenie: your user password is the sudo password14:31
tanathDerspankster, did you use the same profile for ff2 & 3?14:32
kahrytantanath->  my mod to original didnt work14:32
geniedystopianray, I got promot for sudo for other things but not for this14:32
Derspankstertanath: yes, I thought of that but I have all along. I can try removing FF214:32
dystopianraygenie: for what?14:32
dystopianraygenie: oh the usershare thing14:32
LaibschDoes hardy install both FF2 and FF3 on my machine?14:32
tanathDerspankster, no need. just make a new profile14:32
kahrytantanath->  but tk thing did and i went to the mod it made. At leastm bono*** crashed nautilus so i rebooted.14:32
Derspankstertanath: the question arises though - why only this site?14:33
geniedystopianray, installation, but not for usershare14:33
Nom-so would you all recommend using 8.04 in a server upgrade happening in the next 3-4 months ?14:33
dystopianraygenie: ok, well the sudo password is your user's password14:33
geniedystopianray, yes14:33
tanathDerspankster, run firefox with -ProfileManager14:33
AaronMTIs there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?14:33
tanathDerspankster, could be an extension14:33
Derspankstertanath: unless it's the fact that I'm a member and I auto login with a password. But, I have other sites where I do the same thing14:34
tanathkahrytan, i'm not sure i'm going to be much help to you right now. i don't have the time to spend to figure your prob out. sorry14:34
kahrytantanath->  It works for now14:35
geniedystopianray, when I click on 'Create Share' I should get a box to enter sudo password but I don't get I got the error above14:35
tanathDerspankster, maybe login info is corrupt or something, and you've tried too many times14:35
geniedystopianray, do you think this is a bug?!14:35
dystopianraygenie: no idea14:35
geniethanks dystopianray14:35
tanathDerspankster, i dunno. i'm too hungry to think right now14:35
kahrytantanath->  Extreme Tux Race works .. at 800x60014:35
tanathkahrytan, woot14:35
Assidyikes!14:36
* Assid plays assassins creed @ 1680x105014:36
tanathheh14:36
Derspankstertanath: I'll continue to try to figure it out. I appreciate your help14:36
tanathi'll prolly be back here later. if you haven't figured it out by then, i might be able to help14:36
kahrytantanath-> is this like a 1280x768 widescreen reso forsmaller monitor?14:37
tanathgotta go14:37
tanathbye all14:37
kahrytannoooooooooooooo14:37
tanath:/14:37
kahrytantanath is my favto ask for helpwith14:37
tanathkahrytan, same to you14:37
tanathheh14:37
tanathbe back later. if you haven't figured it out, i'll see what i can do14:38
genie'net usershare' retrned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied14:38
genieYou do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.14:38
geniewhy I cannot create a share ?14:38
genieis this bug ?!14:38
jonphdo you have access permissions to that directory?14:38
genieI login with regulare user14:39
jaffarkelshaci think its a bug, coz i had that problem but it mysteriously went away14:39
geniebut when I create a share I should get promote to enter sudo password14:39
geniebut I am not getting that promote14:39
genieI am runing 8.0414:40
kahrytanim such an idiot14:40
genie32 bit14:40
koudelkagenie, you've never got that promote since the install?14:40
kahrytanI dididnt know my v-sync and h-sync for monitor14:40
koudelkapromt*14:40
kahrytanand manual said it and I didnt see it14:41
geniekoudelka, I got it when I try to install or update14:41
jaffarkelshacgene, is there a like that saids Ask the administrator to add the line "usershare owner only = False"14:41
jaffarkelshacin the error14:41
geniewhere I have to put it14:42
jaffarkelshacin the smb.conf14:43
jaffarkelshacgksu gedit /etc/smb.conf14:43
Mimiupdate-manager --devel-release   .... so that's all i need to do to upgrade to hardy.... ? wow :P14:43
Baby_Shambl3shi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button14:43
Baby_Shambl3s?14:43
Leeuwanyone know how to get toolbar back in KOpete ?   I ticked 'flat' and it disappeared, now I can't gettit back...14:44
AaronMTIs there anyway around the fix to typing "lsusb" to get my wireless mouse working after I stick in the usb reciever?14:44
genieno file with this name /etc/smb.conf14:44
jaffarkelshacsorry /etc/samba/smb.conf14:44
genieI have to put this line :  "usershare owner only = false"14:46
Baby_Shambl3shi cna someone tell me why does it take 3-5min for my shutdown options to popup when i click on the button?14:46
MimiBaby_Shambl3s:  I saw your question and I have the same problem myself sometimes, nbut i dont know :/14:48
geniejaffarkelshac, I have to enter this line:  "usershare owner only = false" ?!14:48
jaffarkelshacyes genie, sorry14:48
jaffarkelshacthere should be a line "usershare allow guests = yes" put it underneath that14:48
Baby_Shambl3sMimi: :( guess need to ask later on but why are the only ones having this problem, i know before the updates i made i didnt have the issue :/... im still wondering is it ok for hardy to be released tommorow14:49
Mimisee, i also had the issue before updating to hardy's so meh :( it's random.14:50
Baby_Shambl3scan someone tell me if flash is working well with hardy if so which version i.e. adobe flash/sfw/gnash o_0???14:50
a_l_eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! is there any reason why hardy has a program which is called vim but is not vim?14:50
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, that's a problem i had with 7.1014:50
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, and 7.0414:50
jaffarkelshacdid this work genie?14:51
koudelkanot had it with 8.04 yet tough14:51
geniejaffarkelshac, how to restart samba?14:51
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, flash is working for me, haven't had any problem with it14:51
dystopianraya_l_e: it's smaller i guess, space on the cd is quite precious14:51
mohbanacan i install this new ubuntu from a ntfs partion?14:51
Baby_Shambl3sMimi: 0_o you had the shutdown issue in 7.10 hmmmm weird shouldnt happen and you still havent found a solution...14:51
dystopianraymohbana: no14:52
noodles12so how's hardy guys?14:52
Mimiyes after tomorrow there will be an app called Wubi and you can install ubuntu from windows itlsef   mohbana14:52
jaffarkelshacsudo /etc/init.d/samba restart14:52
Derspankstertanath: I think you're gone but I fixed my FF3 issue. I created a new profile, used it (still couldn't resolve the site) but then I deleted the new profile, went back to the old profile and now the site resolves. Have no clue why.14:52
LeeuwBaby_Shambl3s: I tried Gnash, it didn't get the applet I used on my page right, then I got adobe and it was fine, so I suggest Adobe (eventhough it's restricted, it works...)14:52
Picia_l_e: You may need to isntall vim-full to see full functionality14:52
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: are you using adobe flash? if so are you using it  with alsa or pulse audio?14:52
mohbanaMimi, so i can even specify the partion size etc?14:52
MimiBaby_Shambl3s:  I havent tried looking for a solution yet :p  it happens quite randomly... so it doenst affect me most times14:52
jaffarkelshacsudo /etc/init.d/samba restart genie14:52
a_l_edystopianray: well, don't tell me that this version doesn't support this command, then! tell me that what i started with the vim command is not vim!14:52
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, actually that's a problem flash seem to just work with alsa14:53
dystopianraya_l_e: pardon?14:53
mohbanais it being released at midnight?14:53
a_l_ePici: i've just found out, thanks!14:53
geniejaffarkelshac, I restart it and try to make share but I got same error : 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied14:53
genieYou do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.14:53
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, so when i have firefox with flash running i can't get sound from any pulse application :/14:53
Picia_l_e: That has been the case for as long as I have used Ubuntu, it is not new to Hardy14:53
Picimohbana, Hardy will be released some time during the 24th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party14:53
Mimimohbana try this website: Wubi is the application that does the ubuntu install from Windows: http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php14:53
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, and the other way around if i had a pulse app first14:53
Baby_Shambl3sMimi: ahhhh i envy you mine is constant it takes freaking 3-5min for the shutdown options to popup not even m$ XP was that slow :/14:53
a_l_edystopianray: if you try to use quite normal features of vim, you get that error.14:54
dystopianraya_l_e: becuase it's not really vim14:54
jaffarkelshaccan you pastebin your smb.conf genie14:54
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, i think it's because of some 3'rd party install you have made i got that some times to but never figured out what it was.14:54
genieyes14:54
geniejaffarkelshac, just wait14:54
a_l_ePici: so, i have to think that i'm using ubuntu since longer than you are, since i've never installed vim over a faked version of vim on this ubuntu i'm using now!14:55
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, you can make your own shutdown icon that links to the poweroff command14:55
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: yeha havent tried pulse yet but been reading awful replies to it, will be checking out OSS as the whole only one sound stream thing with alsa is annoying14:55
oholikshow do I get xmms back?14:55
Picia_l_e: Its definitly not a new thing to Hardy.14:55
a_l_edystopianray: yes, and i'd like him to tell me, he's not vim.14:55
oholiksor another program that can enqueue from the command line/load m3u from webpages14:55
geniejaffarkelshac, #14:55
genie# Sample configuration file for the Samba suite for Debian GNU/Linux.14:55
genie#14:55
genie#14:55
genie# This is the main Samba configuration file. You should read the14:55
genie# smb.conf(5) manual page in order to understand the options listed14:55
dystopianraya_l_e: who?14:55
genie# here. Samba has a huge number of configurable options most of which14:55
Picia_l_e: Log a bug if you think it should be changed, but its not  Hardy problem14:55
genie# are not shown in this example14:55
genie#14:55
a_l_edystopianray: the faked vim14:55
genie# Any line which starts with a ; (semi-colon) or a # (hash)14:55
genie# is a comment and is ignored. In this example we will use a #14:55
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, for the applications that use pulse, pulse is fantastic14:55
genie# for commentary and a ; for parts of the config file that you14:55
genie# may wish to enable14:55
genie#14:56
a_l_ePici: it's a hardy problem, yes!14:56
genie# NOTE: Whenever you modify this file you should run the command14:56
jaffarkelshacgenie stop14:56
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: I could but what is the point of that when I have a default one in my trayicon, I would like to get that one working porperly14:56
Picihmmm14:56
jaffarkelshacgenie pastebin.ubuntu.com14:56
Pici!paste > genie (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)14:56
dystopianraya_l_e: this vim problem is in all ubuntu versions, it's not unique to hardy14:56
Picia_l_e: No it is not.14:56
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: I'm not sure but i think pulse is great for those with multiple speakers but also if you dont want to be limited to just one sound stream14:56
a_l_edystopianray: as i've written, the ubuntu version i'm using now, didn't have that problem... i'm almost sure of it!¨14:57
geniejaffarkelshac, the file too bug14:57
geniejaffarkelshac, how to upload to you?14:57
a_l_eand i'm using the current long time support version of ubuntu... not something very strange.14:57
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, alsa mixes the stream together14:58
dystopianraya_l_e: you are mistaken, vim on ubuntu has always been like this14:58
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s,  have you read through the forums about that logout button?14:58
dystopianraya_l_e: well at least in all the releases i've used14:58
jaffarkelshacgenie, open the file and copy the contents and paste at pastebin.ubuntu.com and send me the link like this (this is mine) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7850/14:58
a_l_edystopianray: did you use 6.06?14:59
dystopianraya_l_e: no i started with 6.10, maybe it was different in 6.0614:59
dbmood1 final countdown anyone ?14:59
a_l_edystopianray: is 6.10 the current long term support?14:59
Nom-oo... still perl 5.8.8 .. that almost surprises me :)14:59
dystopianraya_l_e: no14:59
dystopianraya_l_e: 6.10 is an old release14:59
Nom-6.06 LTS15:00
a_l_edystopianray: 6.10 is the current long term support release!15:00
dystopianraya_l_e: no it's not15:00
Nom- Ubuntu 7.10 - Supported to 200915:00
Nom- Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - Supported to 201115:00
Picia_l_e: No. 6.10 is not an LTS15:00
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka; o_0 so the logout button is an actual issue people have had I thought it was new, nope havent checked the forums, will do so15:00
a_l_edystopianray: soryy, 6.06 is the current LTS, the one i'm using.15:00
geniejaffarkelshac, here the link: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7851/15:00
a_l_eand here there was no faked vim... maybe no vim at all, but surely not a faked one.15:01
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s,  no it's an old issue that i have got some times and suddenly it went away15:01
dystopianraya_l_e: well things have changed in two years15:01
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/12307815:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123078 in gnome-session "System -> Quit takes a long time to appear" [Medium,Confirmed]15:01
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: I know that alsa mixxes stream together but have you tried using 3 apps with different sounds, alsa wont allow it at elast not on my comp15:01
PriceChild1208933757 07:55:57 <+Hobbsee> elky_work: i thought they found more people, so shouldn't ahve that problem.15:02
a_l_edystopianray: but two years are not: it has always been like this. most of all if in all that time no "stable" version has been issued (stable, for somone who doesn't want to install a system every six month!)15:02
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, that's strange i think i've had lots of apps running with different sounds15:02
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s,  alsa should take it all15:03
dystopianraya_l_e: you can't expect to keep up to date on how things work if you dont' follow new releases15:03
peter77I'm getting random system freezes, the system does not respond to keyboard input in all of these cases!15:03
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: thanx for the link and nah ive got mpd runnign if i tried running rhythmbox the sound wont play one reason that stops me using musical apps in ubuntu :(15:04
a_l_edystopianray: i don't want to be uptodate, i want a running system.15:04
dbmood1what why are kicking or banning people ?15:04
Baby_Shambl3sis it me or is PriceChild banning a lot of users?15:04
PriceChilddbmood1: /mode -b15:05
Picidbmood1: They are unbans15:05
PriceChildunbans..15:05
dbmood1oh15:05
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, that might be because mpd is configured to use oss?15:05
koudelkaBaby_Shambl3s, check so they all use alsa15:05
dystopianraya_l_e: then stick with 6.06 for a few more years15:05
HardyOnea_l_e: every six months Ubuntu releases a stable version and then begins work on the next stable version. this next version 8.04 is going to be a LTS meaning it will be supported for at least 3 years that is pretty stable if you ask me15:05
peter77can anyone help with my freezing problems?15:05
Picia_l_e: Looks like vim-full was not in dapper, but put into dapper-backports at some point in time.  Nevertheless, it has been present in everything since edgy15:05
Baby_Shambl3skoudelka: nope i configured it for alsa the config file is straight forward15:05
koudelkathats strange maybe there's a bug in the driver for your audiocard15:06
dbmood1ok so what is with the mass unbanning15:06
Picidbmood1: ban list is full15:06
dbmood1price why not just unban * ? -- if that is possible15:06
a_l_eHardyOne: exactly what i'm saying, sorry: my system is the most recent official release for my platform and is not outdated until tomorrow.15:06
Baby_Shambl3sPriceChild: thats a lot of unbans seems like it will take a while15:06
dystopianraya_l_e: for your platform? are you running ppc or something?15:06
HardyOnea_l_e: guess it is all a matter of perspective15:07
geniejaffarkelshac, the text which I added correct?!15:07
a_l_edystopianray: exactly.15:07
dystopianraya_l_e: 6.06 will be supported until 2011, there is no need to jump straight onto 8.0415:07
geniejaffarkelshac, did you find any error in .conf file?!15:07
dystopianraya_l_e: 8.04 doesn't even officially support ppc15:07
HardyOneppc support was dropped when they went intel15:07
a_l_edystopianray: that's why i've bought a new computer without ppc15:08
jaffarkelshacits almost identical to mine, no errors that i can see, i even pasted your smb.conf and i am able to share genie15:08
Baby_Shambl3sHardyOne: why would it be dropped casue they went intel?15:08
dbmood1jaffarkelshac: try apt-get --purge remove samba15:08
dbmood1--- then start again / reuse the conf file again15:08
HardyOneBaby_Shambl3s: actually I have no idea why it was dropped :/15:08
koudelkaprobably too much work15:09
Baby_Shambl3sdbmood1: sheeeez dotn get banned :)15:09
geniejaffarkelshac, when you share did you got a promote for sudo password?!15:09
dbmood1what ?15:09
jaffarkelshacno genie15:09
dbmood1he can apt-get install samba...after that ?15:09
Baby_Shambl3sdbmood1: jk dont worry if you didnt get it there is no point, just wasted a poor joke :/15:10
geniejaffarkelshac, did you see what error I got?!15:10
HardyOnea_l_e: you can argue that windows is not ever stable either do to updates every day15:10
jaffarkelshacis the error the same as before? i want to read it again genie15:10
a_l_eHardyOne: am i using windows?15:10
HardyOnedo/due15:10
geniejaffarkelshac, 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied15:10
genieYou do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.15:10
koudelkajaffarkelshac, code wants to be wrong15:11
koudelkathat's just how it is :P15:11
HardyOnea_l_e: that is not what I said but no OS is ever really stable if you think of it15:11
koudelkaHardyOne, *15:11
geniejaffarkelshac, check your permission in /var/lib/samba/usershares15:11
a_l_eHardyOne: did i say that ubuntu is not  stable?15:11
HardyOnekoudelka: *??15:11
koudelkamy message was to you :P15:11
koudelkacode wants to be wrong15:11
Baby_Shambl3snice song jamiroquai talula *completely offtopic*15:12
dbmood1~stable15:12
dbmood1no bots today ?15:12
dbmood1!stable15:12
ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.15:12
HardyOnea_l_e:  you are being confrontational ( feeling I have ) if I am of the mark please let me know but don't be condescending15:12
Baby_Shambl3sHardyOne: m$ did a great job lying to the world their OS was stable15:13
koudelkai wonder if there's some guide on how to make gui interfaces to commandline software using monodevelop15:13
a_l_eHardyOne: do you know what was the problem i was reporting?15:13
koudelkalike simple ipdables editors or things like that15:13
HardyOnea_l_e: actualy no I jumped in mid convo so I may have misread what you were talking about15:14
jaffarkelshacgenie, from that it seems you do not have write permission for that folder, what is the output for ls -l /var/lib/samba give you genie15:14
a_l_eHardyOne: my problem is, that hardy installs a faked vim and you have to find through the hard way the reason why "this version" doesn't support almost all the interesting features of vim.15:14
dbmood1ah multics15:14
jaffarkelshacgenie, particually sambashare folder15:14
dbmood1multics was stable there was no panic function15:14
genietotal 6015:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 account_policy.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 group_mapping.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 ntdrivers.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root         696 2008-04-23 15:30 ntforms.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 ntprinters.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 passdb.tdb15:15
Baby_Shambl3swell time for work15:15
geniedrwxr-xr-x 2 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 perfmon15:15
geniedrwxr-xr-x 4 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 printers15:15
* Baby_Shambl3s bye15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root       16384 2008-04-23 16:52 registry.tdb15:15
genie-rw------- 1 root root        8192 2008-04-23 15:30 secrets.tdb15:15
geniedrwxrwx--T 2 root sambashare  4096 2008-04-23 15:30 usershares15:15
geniegenie@genie02:~$15:15
geniejaffarkelshac, did you see it?15:15
dystopianraya_l_e: it has been like this in all the recent releases15:15
HardyOnea_l_e: I see. well I don't know why it is that way but reporting it and perhaps helping to correct the issue might be a project you can help with15:15
a_l_eHardyOne: the only answer i got was: it has always been like this. and as i've said that the current lts version i have, didn't have this problem15:15
Hobbsee!paste | genie15:15
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Nom-got spam?15:16
a_l_e... i was flamed that i use an ancient version (2 years!!!)15:16
Nom-:)15:16
dbmood1!spam15:16
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geniesorry guys this is by mistake15:16
a_l_eHardyOne: i'm reporting it as a bug!15:16
dystopianraya_l_e: it's not a bug, it is intentinoal15:16
a_l_edystopianray: what is intentional?15:16
dystopianraya_l_e: the minimal vim15:16
dbmood1-- perhaps there can be an anti-irc spam thing built into pidgin15:16
Nom-oh yeah... vim-tiny has been around for ages15:17
jaffarkelshaci am comfused as ever, clearly you have rwx access for sambashare i am not quiet sure how to help15:17
a_l_edystopianray: that i have no clue that i have to google for the error to find out that vim is an alias to vim-tiny?15:17
HardyOnea_l_e: you have to remember that in this channel the people like to use Alpha and test bleeding edge so for them 2 years is ancient15:17
Nom-It annoys me to... #1 task on any new install: apt-get install vim-full15:17
geniejaffarkelshac, is this same user pc permission?!15:17
FlannelNom-: Or just regular vim, if you don't like the gnome stuff15:18
geniejaffarkelshac, I mean same your pc ?!15:18
a_l_eHardyOne, dystopianray: it's ok for me to intall vim-tiny instead of vim, but this is not a usal thing and give a notice to ther user (on the other side, installing vim or elivs instead of vi is normal and doesn't need any special notice!)15:18
eternal_pgood morning all...I have a weird problem...every once in a while, pidgin will crash...at that point, I can no longer run a new instance of firefox and/or even run terminal (it hangs after drawing the window), i have disabled Compz but it still won't draw....any thoughts?15:18
jaffarkelshacwhen you share a file, a conf file for that share is written in the usershare folder genie, yes its the same15:18
dystopianraya_l_e: vim is too large, space is very previous on the livecd15:19
geniejaffarkelshac, then why I cannot share?!15:19
HardyOnea_l_e: maybe it is all about size and trying to keep the install cd to a minimum15:19
dystopianraya_l_e: vim-tiny has been around for a long time as well15:19
a_l_edystopianray: not even 2 years15:19
dystopianraya_l_e: that is a long time15:19
a_l_edystopianray: this is nothing.15:19
a_l_edystopianray: not in the corporate world and not in my home.15:19
HardyOnea_l_e: in software terms 2 years is a long time15:20
a_l_eit's a long time when you are 16... but then...15:20
Nom-2 years is a painfully long time15:20
jaffarkelshaci am not sure why genie15:20
dystopianraya_l_e: tomorrow that 2 years will cover 4 separate releases of ubuntu15:20
geniejaffarkelshac, thanks for your help if you find any things let me know15:21
Nom-a project was kicked off 2 years ago to upgrade our production machines to debian sarge.  We're still using debian woody now, and hating it every minute... so many things done the dodgy way because the "upgrade" was coming soon15:21
Nom-*sigh*15:21
a_l_edystopianray: and today 2 years doesn't cover even one lts release of ubuntu! so what?15:21
dystopianraya_l_e: my point is that this change has been around for a long time and there has been plenty of oppurtunity to find out about it15:22
dystopianraya_l_e: if you're only going to lts to lts then expect a huge number of changes both small and large15:22
a_l_edystopianray: and my point is, that when somebody points you to a problem, the answer is not "it has always been like this"15:23
HardyOnea_l_e: I could understand if it was difficult for you to install vim-full ( compiling yourself ) but it is packaged and requires one simple command to do. really not that big a deal15:23
a_l_edystopianray: i expect those changes, and i want them to be visible.15:23
eternal_pI guess no one has heard of my problem?15:23
jaffarkelshacgenie, you put ; usershare....... remove the ;15:23
a_l_eHardyOne: it took one whole week to find out that no vim was installed!15:23
dystopianraya_l_e: you were given the reason and solution almost straight away and yet you persist in arguing about it15:23
a_l_ebecause a program which behaved 90% was installed.15:23
a_l_edystopianray: i had found the solution before coming here... so what?15:24
dystopianraya_l_e: what are you trying to achieve by arguing with us?15:24
a_l_edystopianray: if there is somebody which has a bit of knowledge of the system, how to formulate the bug report so that a problem get's fixed.15:25
HardyOnea_l_e: took you a week. perhaps because you were not asking the right question. I am not trying to blame you. just saying that we are volunteers and cant guess at what you are trying to tell us if what you are really doing is complaining about an app and not telling us what you expect the app to do15:25
eternal_pa_l_e: launchpad15:25
HardyOne!bug | a_l_e15:25
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a_l_eeternal_p: bind it to a project? to a package? etc etc etc...15:26
eternal_pjust put in whatever problem you are haing on Lanchpad15:26
eternal_pthat is the only place any developer will see it15:26
eternal_pcomplaning her won't get you far15:26
a_l_eeternal_p: thank you, i have noticed it!15:26
thykoim on hardy RC15:27
HardyOnecomplaining anywhere wont get you far15:27
thykoi have a bcm43xx card15:27
a_l_eHardyOne: not true.15:27
eternal_pa_l_e: bad attitude15:27
a_l_eHardyOne: i know many places where complaining leads to fixes!15:27
jaffarkelshacgenie, did it change?15:27
eternal_pa_l_e:  that is the thing with linux, if you don't like it, go away and compile your own, then you can complain to the mirror as much as you like :)15:27
thykoi have installed b43-fwcutter15:27
HardyOnea_l_e: ok. complaning in a chatroom about an issue you are having with Ubuntu wont get you far. the best place is launchpad.net15:28
thykobut the blue light on my pavilio dv6636nr still wont come on15:28
a_l_esorry, i'm stopping answering. i will finish the bug report as good as i can formulate it and then i will go on with my workd15:28
thykothe driver does not load automaticaly during startu15:28
thykop15:28
HardyOnea_l_e: we appreciate the bug report and hopefully it will be addressed quickly15:28
a_l_eeternal_p, HardyOne: i know of chat rooms where you are welcome to complain about problems and people will help you find a solution, tell you where and how report,  etc etc15:28
a_l_eHardyOne: thanks! that's the way i like it!15:29
geniejaffarkelshac, let me to check it now15:29
a_l_efriendly, positive! and i'm not joking!15:29
thykoand when i modprobe b43, there are no messeges printed in /var/log/messeges15:29
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HardyOnea_l_e: :)15:29
thykowhats the solution?15:29
thykoa_l_e: where can i submit a bug-report?15:30
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Nom-hmm where would one request that a perl cpan package is upgraded for the official repos?15:30
Mimi!bug15:30
HardyOneNom-: launchpad.net mark it as wishlist15:30
ccookea_l_e: Hi - you're complaining about the difference between the (default) vim in hardy and the vim-full, yes?15:30
Nom-Ah kk :D15:30
thyko!thanks15:30
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thykoheh15:30
MimixD Awww!15:30
Nom-ubotu: botsnack15:31
a_l_eccooke: no, i'm complaining that no notice is given that a faked vim is installed.15:31
HardyOneccooke: he is filling a bug report at the momment15:31
Nom-bah that's no fun15:31
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!15:31
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ccookeHardyOne: ah, okay.15:31
HardyOneccooke: or not lol15:31
geniejaffarkelshac, it's same with ; or without it I got the error15:32
Adysis there a reason to keep "language-pack-en" and "language-pack-gnome-en" if its the only language pack on the system?15:33
W8TAHi installed kde-desktop and i dont like it -- how do i make it go away again?15:33
W8TAHincluding KDM15:33
jaffarkelshacwith ; i cant share folders i dont own but without ; i can which is what usershare owner only = false lets you do. genie15:34
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HobbseeW8TAH: remove kdelibs4c2a15:34
W8TAHwill that wipe out all the cruft too?15:34
HardyOneW8TAH: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9604815:34
geniejaffarkelshac, I make False I will try with false15:34
jpatrickHobbsee: never!15:35
geniejaffarkelshac, same things no different15:36
jaffarkelshaccheck this, system > administrator > users and groups, unlock and click manage groups, look for sambashares, properties and see if your user is ticked genie15:36
* genii sips15:36
lastenthi, I'm having problems with the flash sound and the pulse audio, right now ]I can't hear the sound on flash videos15:37
koudelkalastent, have the same thing15:38
samuelhello all15:38
samuelive got ubuntu installed on a computer (8.04, amd64) with 4 hard disk drives.... the drive devices keep switching about, is there any way to stop this behaviour? one is an ide the others are sata, and it seems that /dev/sdd gets switched around with /dev/sdb any ideas?15:38
koudelkalastent, you need to close that application that uses pulse audio and then restart firefox and go to the flash site and the sound will work15:38
edugonchHello, I need to uninstall all the graphics from my ubuntu installation, I need to have a minimal installation, I try to do ---> aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop but it doesn't work, any help please15:38
koudelkalastent, but then the sound in the pulse audio applications won't work so....15:39
geniejaffarkelshac, my name listed and ticked, but I notice listed as full name not username!15:39
geniejaffarkelshac, what about you?!15:39
fbcTomorro does the RC get renamed or is the actualy hardy going to be different CD.15:40
geniejaffarkelshac, and root not ticked in that group15:40
jaffarkelshacgenie sorry, that is as far as my knowledge goes, everything appears fine, i dont know why you cant share15:40
geniejaffarkelshac, any way I can share with root15:41
lastentkoudelka, so your tellign me that I just can run flash videos and hear the sound if I'm not using anyother audio program?15:41
oholikskahrytan: audacious replaces xmms, works about the same.. should we close down the downgrade society now? ;)15:42
geniejaffarkelshac, I will do more digging in this15:42
HardyOneedugonch: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9604615:42
geniejaffarkelshac, thank you very much15:42
koudelkalastent, basically yes, atleast that's how it is for me15:42
jaffarkelshaci would not advice it, at the moment with your current settings you should be able to15:42
GoodJobhello15:43
edugonchHardyOne: Thanks ;)15:43
GoodJobis Ubuntu 8.04 Final released yet?15:43
dystopianrayGoodJob: no15:43
fbcGoodJob, yeah it's on pirate bay..15:43
HardyOneedugonch: np make sure you read before entering commands15:43
koudelkaGoodJob, no it will be released sometime within 24h probably15:43
fbcGoodJob,  JK15:43
GoodJobso tommorow then :/15:44
fbcGoodJob, yup15:44
dystopianrayGoodJob: yes, april 24 is the expected release date15:44
GoodJobdo you happen to know on which hour15:44
_Lucretia_I'm reading through a howto for installing the latest fglrx drivers, but what does this mean: "If using 64bit make sure to collect package "ia32-libs" and " libGL.so.1" before proceeding!"  - I'm using the howto from here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide15:44
dystopianrayGoodJob: noone knows exactly when it'll be released15:44
GoodJobdamn15:44
fbcGoodJob,  I would expect 24:00 GMT15:44
GoodJobi reaaaaly need it :D15:44
fbcGoodJob, we all do.15:44
dystopianrayGoodJob: get the latest daily build15:44
kahrytanoholiks->  I know it does.. its my fav standalone player15:45
GoodJobi wanted to ask you guys about something else too15:45
GoodJobwhat about that GRUB 2?15:45
jaffarkelshacanyone ben able to install vmware ?15:45
GoodJobjaffarkelshac yeah me15:45
dystopianrayGoodJob: what about it?15:46
HardyOne_Lucretia_: maybe it means save the file ( backup )15:46
GoodJobi'm curious why isn't GRUB 2 the Ubuntu's bootloader15:46
jaffarkelshaci keep getting am error, Unable to build the vmmon module. excution aborted GoodJob15:46
_Lucretia_HardyOne: as in save the ia32-libs package?15:46
jaffarkelshaci downloaded the tar.gz from the website15:46
GoodJobjaffarkelshac do you have the very latest VMware installed?15:46
HardyOne_Lucretia_: I would guess so15:46
dystopianrayGoodJob: does any distro use grub 2?15:47
GoodJobdystopianray not sure :)15:47
jaffarkelshaci think its the latest i am trying to install15:47
_Lucretia_HardyOne: I honestly can't see why, but...15:47
GoodJobjaffarkelshac uhmmm you have Windows XP right?15:47
edugonchYes.... is a little long, is there a way to install a minimal installation from 0, I try with the alternate cd that I download from the ubuntu page, but I didn't see any option to do this15:47
dystopianrayGoodJob: I don't think grub 2 is actually considered stable upstream15:47
_Lucretia_HardyOne: they don't go into any detail about reinstalling those15:47
jaffarkelshacno, ubuntu15:47
ravaloxHey, does anyone here run their Ubuntu system on an XFX 790i motherboard?15:47
GoodJobjaffarkelshac i see15:47
Trolloc!anyone | ravalox15:48
uboturavalox: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?15:48
HardyOne_Lucretia_: reading it now15:48
_Lucretia_HardyOne: method 215:48
GoodJobjaffarkelshac well, i run VMware in Windows so i really can't determine why do you get that errror15:48
ravaloxWell, I need to figure out how to set the Audio out on an XFX 790i motherboard to 5.1 instead of it's dinky default 2.115:48
GoodJobjaffarkelshac never had a single error in VMware ;)15:48
ravaloxBut that requires such specialized knowledge I'd have to see if someone owned that motherboard first.15:49
ravaloxor something.15:49
jaffarkelshaci think its the modules for the current kernel15:49
GoodJobjaffarkelshac on which version of the kernel are you running that baby?15:49
GoodJob2.6.25?15:50
jaffarkelshac2.6.2415:50
GoodJoboh15:50
GoodJobyou should update the kernel15:50
jaffarkelshacwhen did 25 come out15:50
GoodJobdon't you know?15:50
HardyOne_Lucretia_: I dont know what they mean by "collect"15:51
dystopianrayjaffarkelshac: less than a week ago i think15:51
GoodJobit's a couple of days now since it's out ;)15:51
_Lucretia_HardyOne: me neither15:51
jaffarkelshaci had about 75 updates lately none for kernel15:51
HardyOne_Lucretia_: save the files wont hurt15:51
GoodJobjaffarkelshac strange15:51
tretlewhen are pulse audio controls being added to hardy15:51
tretle?15:51
GoodJobjaffarkelshac maybe you need to recompile the kernel and install it?15:52
_Lucretia_HardyOne: so back up everything in /usr/lib32 ?15:52
tretleI can change the device to pulse audio mixer but I just have the master volume in it15:52
GoodJobthe latest one i mean15:52
HardyOne_Lucretia_: just the 2 files mentioned I think. I am really not certain15:52
jaffarkelshaci am not that confident in recompiling kernel  and no idea how to do it GoodJob15:53
tretleand I can find any options on setting the volume of individual applications either15:53
_Lucretia_HardyOne: I've no idea where this ia32-libs is, I only know of the deb15:53
TrewasGoodJob: hardy uses kernel 2.6.24, something newer is intrepid territory15:54
_Lucretia_HardyOne: gonna ask on #ati15:54
HardyOne_Lucretia_: good idea15:54
crimsunTrewas: they're not.15:54
crimsunTrewas: sorry15:54
jaffarkelshacTrewas, so ther eis no 2.6.25?15:54
crimsuntretle: they're not.15:54
crimsuntretle: install pavucontrol from universe.15:55
dystopianrayjaffarkelshac: 2.6.25 was released less than a week ago15:55
Trewasjaffarkelshac: no15:55
ibleedin gnome network manager how do i switch from a wireless connection to a wired one ?15:55
dystopianrayjaffarkelshac: it (or a newer kernel) will be part of a later release of ubuntu, not hardy15:55
FritzelI'm trying to create a new icon, what type of file is svg? gimp doesn't know what kind it is15:55
tretleany idea why they didnt?15:56
dystopianrayFritzel: svg is a xml based vector format15:56
jbroomeFritzel: inkscape is what you need for svg15:56
dystopianrayFritzel: i've heard that inkscape is great for svg15:56
jaffarkelshaci get it now, 2.6.24-16...17..18 will be the hardy update and 2.6.25 will be fore the next release, ah much better15:56
GoodJobjaffarkelshac http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu15:56
Fritzeler ok then better question what kind of files can be used as a desktop icon?15:56
Fritzelpng's don't seem to be recognized15:56
crimsunibleed: have you plugged in a wired connection?15:57
GoodJobjaffarkelshac please use the version numbers 2.6.25 instead of those for the old kernel in that tutorial15:57
ibleedyes i have crimsun and i still have the wireless icon in the panel15:57
crimsunibleed: did you click the applet and choose Wired Network?15:57
dystopianrayGoodJob: why are you suggesting that he install a new kernel?15:57
jaffarkelshaci thought that was for the next release15:58
ibleedcrimsun, i right clicked and uncheck "wireless" buy my connection is still wireless15:58
crimsunibleed: no, choose Wired Network with the primary-click (left-click, normally?)15:58
dystopianrayjaffarkelshac: don't install a new kernel, there is no need for you to do so15:58
GoodJobdystopianray it's a thing we all should do :)   but not me 'cause i'm still stuck on Windows XP... but only for 1 day now ;)15:58
ibleedwhen i left click it crimsun it only allows me to do "manual configuration"15:59
jaffarkelshaci dont intend to dystopianray, i will find another way to install vmware on hardy15:59
dystopianrayGoodJob: please don't suggest suck ridiculous things to people, you're probably going to ruin his ubuntu15:59
crimsunibleed: is your wired nic's driver loaded?15:59
Almindorback16:00
ibleedcrimsun, it should be.  i haven't messed with drivers or anything.  i just made the mistake of attempting wireless and can't figure out how to go back to wired16:00
Almindorsomething is most defenetly not right with hardy16:00
Almindornot sure if it's realted to ff/flash tho16:00
crimsunAlmindor: what's the issue?16:00
AlmindorI'm getting 100% cpu/hdd activity with "microfreezes" of only certain apps (the new scheduler perhaps?)16:00
Almindoreg: right now pidgin got frozen, I can't even type in there but xchat works (there's a ff/flash opened)16:01
Almindorit usually takes about 5s per app, and the hdd/cpu cycle is about 1m16:01
Almindorstarted recently tho16:01
Almindor(week perhaps even less, I only had updatedb hdd activity before)16:01
crimsunAlmindor: hmm.  I've noticed that, too, and it doesn't seem to be FF/Flash/PA16:02
Almindorfeel very "windows like"16:02
GoodJobwe should all update to the latest kernel when we install the final Ubuntu that comes out tommorow16:02
crimsunGoodJob: err, what?16:02
GoodJobso that we don't get hacked or anything16:02
dystopianraycrimsun: he's a troll16:02
crimsundystopianray: k, thanks.16:02
GoodJobok suit yourself guys16:03
* Almindor hopes it's some sort of minor oversight problem, or atleast a workaround is there16:03
GoodJobi'm gonna do it16:03
Almindorproblem is, I can't find the culprit16:03
crimsunAlmindor: firefox seems to be aggressively caching/flushing16:03
crimsunAlmindor: just watching top here (even though I know I'm supposed to use exmap-gtk)16:03
Almindorcrimsun, sounds logical, which reminds me, FF is one of the few apps which will get updated right? (eg: after release, not just bugfix updates)16:04
Almindortop is top :P16:04
talavisany one else having troubles with the i386 alternate cd?16:05
dystopianraytalavis: apparently the kubuntu one doesn't work16:06
Almindorcrimsun, aren't you per chance on amd64?16:06
crimsunAlmindor: not on this box, which is ia32.16:06
rkerrhm... so I installed with Wubi last week. That placed an icon on the desktop for my Windows drive. Then after updating to the latest packages yesterday, the desktop icon is gone, and the fstab entry is also gone.16:06
Almindoranyone here with ati/fglrx on ubuntu64? :)16:07
talavisdystopianray: so it's more people having it? good to know, thanks16:07
dystopianraytalavis: is it the kubuntu alternate you're using?16:07
talavisdystopianray: yes, the final ones up for testing now16:08
dystopianraytalavis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/22003016:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220030 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Alternate Install CD - Stop making coasters!" [Undecided,New]16:09
talavisdystopianray: i have seen that one and reported one myself, but my problem is different from that one16:10
dystopianraytalavis: oh?16:10
talavisdystopianray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/22080416:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220804 in ubuntu "Kubuntu 8.04 alternate CD not working past initial menu" [Undecided,New]16:10
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co0lingFir3is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?16:11
dystopianraytalavis: did you verify that it burnt successfully?16:11
talavisdystopianray: checked md5 of both iso and burned cd16:11
dystopianraytalavis: is it possible to use the desktop cd at all?16:12
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talavisdystopianray: i haven't tested, want an encrypted fs, will download it now16:13
dystopianraytalavis: the desktop cd won't support an encrypted fs sadly16:14
talavisdystopianray: i know, that's why i was trying with the alternate16:14
b4l74z4rwhen i installed gutsy, it reserved almost 6 gb of hd space for the swap file, has this fault been corrected in hardy?16:16
dystopianrayb4l74z4r: manually specify the exact size you want16:17
kahrytandystopianray-> I found a fix for my problem16:17
kahrytandystopianray-> Closed Source Software fixed it16:18
b4l74z4rok, but i'm thinking that beginners will tend to go for the automatic partitioning and therefore that fault should be corrected16:18
dystopianraykahrytan: what did you do?16:18
dystopianraykahrytan: is that the 800x600 issue still?16:19
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kahrytandystopianray-> nividia-config16:19
kahrytandystopianray-> displayconfig-gtk doesnt support my monitor. but nvidia-config does16:19
dystopianrayah ok16:19
kahrytaneven the games work.16:20
dystopianraynice16:21
elcucohi all, is anyone using iwl3945? it's not working for me16:22
kahrytanand 800x600 is set to @6016:22
crimsunelcuco: any better luck w/ linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r) installed?16:22
elcucocrimsun, and using ipw3945? the closed source driver?16:23
co0lingFir3hi guys, is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?16:23
crimsunelcuco: sorry?16:23
edugonchhello, is there a minimal cd for 8.116:23
edugonch8.10?16:23
crimsunco0lingFir3: it shouldn't be, no.16:23
dystopianrayelcuco: no he's using iwl3945, the open souce driver16:24
crimsunedugonch: do you mean 8.04?  8.10 isn't even sketched out fully...16:24
edugonchyes sorry16:24
co0lingFir3crimsun: strange... so update-manager should still be installed?16:24
crimsunedugonch: well, there's a netinstall image.16:24
elcucodystopianray, you confused me now... is the open source driver usable at all?16:24
dystopianrayelcuco: yes of course16:24
crimsunco0lingFir3: if the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is installed, yes.16:24
elcucosweet, i don't have the firmwares... that might be the problem. how come it's not in the install cd?16:25
co0lingFir3crimsun: on a april 22nd update it removed the following packages: ubuntu-desktop, update-manager and update-notifier. how can that be?16:25
edugonchI'm trying to install a textbase system from alternate cd but I can't do it, there isn't the option in that cd, so I'm trying to install it with other methods16:25
dystopianrayelcuco: it is16:25
evanfraserHi folks16:25
edugonchI just need a minimal installation16:25
geniiSo after tomorrow this channel will be for Ibex?16:26
jbroomeyup16:26
crimsungenii: s/tomorrow/hardy's release/16:26
evanfraserOne of my servers no longer boots after I've upgraded it to 8.04.  I can't see any actual errors in the boot up log is the weird thing16:26
geniicrimsun: Thanks16:26
evanfraserit just hangs after: [  153.020215] checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd16:26
evanfraser[  153.137379] Freeing initrd memory: 8191k freed16:26
ionstormHow long should a pentium 4 hyperthread 3.0 ghz with 1 gig of ram take to boot up hardy heron, for some reason bootchart says xorg starts after 1 minute of booting, is that too long?16:26
evanfraserany help would be much appreciated :)16:26
elcucoyes, it is, right /lib/firmware/2.6.24-16-generic/iwlwifi-3945.ucode16:26
elcucodystopianray, so can you give me some points? how to fix/debug this issue?16:27
dystopianrayelcuco: sorry i have no idea16:27
* elcuco waits 5 minutes for the updates to finish16:27
co0lingFir3crimsun: oh i see. i use wicd instead of network-manager (for static ip) and ubuntu desktop requires the last of them16:28
ionstormhow long does it normally take to boot up hardy to the gdm login?16:28
crimsunionstorm: depends on your machine and configured software.16:28
co0lingFir3crimsun: how do i create an archive with password?16:30
evanfraserwhat kind of archive?16:30
jimcooncatIn the hype: "support for keyboard accessibility". Does this mean I'll be able to control Hardy with just my keyboard?16:30
evanfraserco0lingFir3, do you mean a rar archive?16:31
co0lingFir3evanfraser: dont care. some kind of encrypted archive, but i dont think that zip supports encryption, does it?16:31
evanfraserco0lingFir3, I'm certain you can password protect zips as well...16:32
jimcooncatYes, you can zip with a password, but I don't believe that's all that secure16:32
jimcooncatAfter all, once you have a file you can just try and crack it all day16:33
co0lingFir3jimcooncat: and how do i do that?16:33
jimcooncatI'm no cracker. But the tools are out there.16:33
jimcooncatco0lingFir3:  http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/cracking/zip-passwords.html16:35
evanfraserco0lingFir3,16:35
evanfraserco0lingFir3, rar a <rarfilename> -p <files to rar>16:35
jimcooncatco0lingFir3: here's one by our own ubuntugeek! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-crack-zip-files-password.html16:35
geniiIs there some official release hour GMT? This Q is coming up often16:38
jimcooncatco0lingFir3: you'll want to look into gpg probably16:38
co0lingFir3jimcooncat & evanfraser: thx a lot!16:40
dystopianraygenii: there isn't, but it'll probably be in the afternoon in GMT+116:40
geniidystopianray: OK, thanks16:40
fredreichbieris there a special way to install the newest ATI (fglrx) drivers for hardy or is it mostly the same as with gutsy?16:40
bullgard4Where can I obtain the GNOME source code? (I believe in Hardy version 2.22. is current.)16:41
dystopianraybullgard4: upstream source or ubuntu's source?16:42
bullgard4Ubuntu's source.16:42
evanfraserHi folks, if anyone has a spare minute, could you please take a look at my boot log and see if you can tell my system doesn't boot since upgrading to hardy?: http://www.barkboy.com/boot.log16:42
Picibullgard4: You could use apt-get source16:42
dystopianraybullgard4: you can use apt to grab the source for any package16:42
AzaThtthought I wa going to report a bug, but, I don't really know to what package to report it16:43
dystopianraybullgard4: you can also use apt to install all the build deps for any package so you can actually compile it16:43
AzaThtin short: my tx1270eo, when it sleeps the screen, wont reactivate again16:44
bullgard4dystopianray: 'What is the name of the GNOME DEB program package?16:44
dystopianraybullgard4: i'm not sure, there may not be a single gnome source package16:45
Arelis_Hi, everybody. Is this computer completely compatible with Ubuntu? http://www.mediacomputers.nl/Productd.asp?POD={1177EC47-277B-4677-9CDA-592738C9F64C}16:46
ExlaxIt sure is.16:46
dystopianrayAzaTht: did it work in previous versions?16:47
AzaThtanyone around having an tx1000?16:47
ExlaxHow's the 8.04 Release Client? is it stable enough for primary release?16:47
Exlaxer16:47
Exlaxrelease candidate*16:47
AzaThtdystopianray: on gusty yes16:47
Arelis_Exlax: _completely_ ?16:47
ExlaxEnough.16:47
evanfraserExlax, out of the four systems I've upgraded, two haven't been straight forward upgrades16:47
dystopianrayAzaTht: what video card do you have?16:47
uchimataHi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?16:47
ExlaxI kinda butchered my 7.10 installation.16:47
Arelis_Exlax: "Enough"? How much compatible is it?16:47
bullgard1Exlax: Please define 'primary release'.16:47
AzaThtdystopianray: nvidia thingi16:48
ExlaxPrimary OS16:48
dystopianrayExlax: if you grab the latest daily build it'll probably be identical to the final16:48
dystopianrayAzaTht: are you using nvidia's binary driver?16:48
ExlaxThat's what i thought.16:48
AzaThtyes16:48
dystopianrayAzaTht: try the 'nv' driver and see if suspend works with that16:48
AzaThtok16:48
ExlaxDoes wine run alright under 8.04? that's my deciding factor.16:48
AzaThtjust deactivate the binary driver?16:48
dystopianrayAzaTht: that should do it i think16:48
dystopianrayExlax: it should run just as well as it did in 7.1016:49
Exlaxdystopianray: Thanks much. :) Grabbing it now, then.16:49
dystopianrayExlax: grab the latest build from here if you can: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/16:49
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ExlaxThanks, dystopianray.16:51
ExlaxGrabbing now.16:51
kahrytanExlax->  Hardy has Nextto the nearest WINE version16:51
kahrytannewest*16:51
AzaThtdystopianray: hehe, even a bug in the binary package when trying to remove16:51
kahrytanExlax-> wine-0.9.5916:51
AzaThtit tries to remove lib32/libGL...16:52
ratpoisonHello! Hardy user. I've just finished installing, tweaking and customising my installation. I now want to create a live-dvd that installs the same setup on multiple machines. How do I do that OR can you point me where to find info?16:52
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spowersthe weirdest thing happened with my hardy upgrade16:54
spowersfrom gutsy.  my nvidia driver broke (not weird) but I couldn't ctrl-alt-f1 anymore16:55
spowersfrom the "safe" X mode16:55
spowersit was frustrating, because that's how i usually fi x16:55
spowersfix x16:55
pmratpoisonI've had similar experience with gutsy breaking my tty's16:56
pmratpoisonthis bug has been reported on launchpad16:56
AzaThtdystopianray: didn't work16:56
geniiSame here with the TTYs16:56
Mimi!enter16:57
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!16:57
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pmratpoisonyou can search launchpad for that issue, if it is the same problem, the solution proposed in launchpad may work16:58
AzaThtdystopianray: though perhaps I didn't explained goodly, it's the power down of the screen that's borked, not the cpu suspend16:58
dystopianrayAzaTht: what do you mean?16:58
evanfraserAnyone know how to recreate an initrd file under ubuntu?16:58
spowerspmratpoison: i'll give it a try.. my gettys are still there, i was able to use chvt16:58
AzaThtwhen the computer has been idle for a while, the screen goes black16:59
SunRayCafeinstalled 8.04 RC yesterday. Getting seemingly random mouse and keyboard lockup. Other system activity seems to continue, and when they become active again a few seconds later they catchup any typing/movement that occurred in the meantime.16:59
AzaThtbut when I tries to return, only the backlight is lit16:59
spowersand now that i'm using the vesa driver i can vt switch too16:59
uchimataHi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?17:00
jaffarkelshaci am attempting to install vmware for hardy but it just wont work, something to do with vmmon modules any help would be appreciated17:00
AzaThtdystopianray: though the computer is accessable, just that the screen is kept black17:01
pmratpoisonSunRayCafe: You can install screenlets and then find a widget that shows your heaviest processes. If you have it at desktop at all times, you will be able to guess what causes thoses lockups17:01
AzaTht(semi black)17:01
SunRayCaferan htop in a console, doesn't seem to be related to a specific process...17:01
uchimatajaffarkelshac: did you use the any-to-any patch?17:02
SunRayCafeoh, crap, found the cause :(17:02
ionstormdoes hardy require more ram than gutsy?17:02
SunRayCafeit's my synergy. Sorry guys, thanks17:02
dystopianrayAzaTht: it's black when it resumes or when you try to sleep?17:02
fredreichbieri just tried to install the latest fglrx and got that: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/43294/ - i don't know whether it is related to hardy17:02
jaffarkelshaci tried that but same problem uchimata17:02
bullgard1Pici: I cannot use apt-get source because I do not know 'source'.17:02
chronosIs there a DVD of Hardy I can download for my PPC mac?17:03
uchimatajaffarkelshac: ok, that's the first step... you have to patch some lines, i'm searching for the corresponding how-to, gimme a second17:03
d4t4min3rcan I install from flashdrive?17:03
jaffarkelshacuchimata, this is the output of my install if it helps http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7854/17:03
AzaThtdystopianray: when I tries to resume17:03
uchimatajaffarkelshac: here we go: http://aldeby.org/blog/?p=11317:04
geniichronos: If there will be, you'll find it likely at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/17:04
dystopianrayAzaTht: hrrm that is weird, i'm not sure what a possible solution could be, file a bug report about it17:04
chronosSo it's not true that hardy isn't going to support the PPC?17:04
pmratpoisonwasn't the ppc port discontinued?17:04
uchimatajaffarkelshac: I'm pretty sure this how to will help you17:04
jaffarkelshacthank you uchimata17:05
AzaThtdystopianray: to what package?17:05
AzaThtnvidia-glx-new?17:05
geniipmratpoison: ppc is now community supported. There is 7.10 for it, I see no reason there won't be also an 8.0417:05
dystopianrayAzaTht: no, not if nv has the same problem, file it against the kernel maybe, it'll be changed if necessary17:06
AzaThtk17:06
d4t4min3rcan I install from a flash drive?17:06
pmratpoisongenii: after a little bit of googling, I just found that out17:07
pmratpoisonchronos:  but anyway, if you require commercial support for the ppc, you can always change distro17:08
a_l_egenii: i don't think there will be a official 8.04 for ppc17:08
pmratpoisonaccording to that ---> http://www.osnews.com/thread?306765 there wasa beta for ppc17:09
pmratpoisonbut anyway, If I had a ppc cpu, I would choose a distro that centers on ppc17:11
jac0b|wis anyone having problems with the kernel17:11
geniipmratpoison: YDL isn't a bad choice for PPC17:11
Andycassshow to uninstall bcm43xx drivers that came automatically? (I want to use ndiswrapper instead)17:12
axion try slackintosh is also nice..17:12
axionhowever less userfriendly17:12
MimiO.O I just spent 4 hours downloading updates to install hardy,... once I downloaded it all.. I got maybe 10 windows saying 'sorry emerald failed to... something... report problem" and same for AWN and a bunch more. Then it says "Sorry install failed" (the hardy install) "your system might be in a unstable state"17:13
AzaThtdystopianray: seems related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/13162617:13
jac0b|w2.6.24-16 kernel is giving me problems17:13
jac0b|wit won't boot17:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131626 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Sleep wakes up but screen is blank" [Medium,Triaged]17:13
AzaThtbut not fully ヾ17:13
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dystopianrayAzaTht: do you have working hibernate?17:14
AzaThtcan check17:15
AzaTht(that I know worked in gutsy at least)17:15
GNUtoohello, is it possible to install hardy on qemu? grub didn't install and while booting the kenrel reset ata2...17:15
dystopianrayGNUtoo: is there a particular reason to use qemu? you might find that virtualbox is a lot better17:16
Mimi"The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a)." :/ What do I do?17:16
GNUtoodystopianray, i don't know how to use virtualbox...17:17
AzaThtdystopianray: hibernate works just fine17:17
dystopianrayGNUtoo: it's really easy to pick up17:17
d4t4min3rI have a question17:17
dystopianrayGNUtoo: if you can use qemu then virtualbox should be trivial17:17
Mimi!ask17:17
ubotuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)17:17
GNUtoodystopianray, debian works fine on qemu...so why can't ubuntu works fine?17:18
dystopianrayGNUtoo: i'm not sure, i'd imagine it would17:18
d4t4min3rim out of blank cds and I want to install ubuntu, how else can I install17:18
d4t4min3rcan I install within windows17:18
MimiYup, donwload Wubi17:19
d4t4min3rI want to overright windows17:19
axionyou could use loadlin17:19
SunRayCafeWubi doesn't work in RC, right?17:19
d4t4min3rdoesn wubi just install ubuntu inside windows right17:20
d4t4min3rif I put the live cd on an external hdd can I run it from that17:21
HardyOne!install | d4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that17:22
ubotud4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate17:22
allquixoticHi, is there a way I can change the behavior of what happens when focus changes with metacity? Since a recent Hardy update, clicking on a background window that's maximized doesn't make foreground windows, which aren't maximized, to get lower Z priority and thus let the maximized draw overtop it.17:22
AzaThtdystopianray: ok, tried to explain in a bug then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/22108517:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 221085 in ubuntu "Screen sleep doesn't recover on my tx1000" [Undecided,New]17:24
AzaTht"first reported 0 seconds ago" ツ17:24
AzaThtdystopianray: do you by any chance have knowledge about wvdial?17:25
dystopianrayAzaTht: no I don't, sorry17:28
AzaThtok17:28
AzaThtgonny try poking some other folks then ツ17:28
AzaTht!wvdial17:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wvdial - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi17:29
AzaThtdumb bot, you shall everything know17:30
geniiAzaTht: PErhaps try man wvdial on your Terminal17:30
AzaThtgenii: I can use it, it's just that it borks sometimes, and is dumb on startup17:30
geniiAzaTht: There is also a manpage for wvdial.conf17:30
AzaThtthanks ツ17:31
AzaThtgenii: didn't find there why "kill -9 pidof_wvdial" doesn't work17:31
geniiAzaTht: If you have a network adapter, it often becomes default gateway instead of the modem. There is some line you can add to wvdial.conf for this17:31
geniiAzaTht: You may require suso with it17:32
genii*sudo17:32
x-iphi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?17:32
AzaThtthat's intresting, but not main problem (I usually deactivate the wireless when using the modem, but thanks anyway)17:32
AzaThtgenii: the main problem is: 1: when I start it, it tries to send the PIN million if times, so I have to ctrl-c it17:33
AzaTht2: I can't kill it if it looses the carrier17:33
geniiAzaTht: Sounds like something bad with your Expect script that sends the name/pass   etc17:34
AzaThtpossibly17:34
AzaThttried to follow what I found on the net for my huawei e22017:34
xFlipxis intel 965 chipset still blacklisted for the upcoming release?17:35
psyminA buddy of mine recently installed Heron beta.  He's having difficulty getting intel 3945 working using iwl3945 .. any advice?  Is there a repository with ipw3945?17:36
m11hello17:37
AzaThtgenii: this is the "result" when I connect: http://rafb.net/p/BmSblX72.html17:37
geniiAzaTht: Since you seem to have some custom stuff in there for your setup, it would be difficult to diagnose exact issue17:37
MimiHi... I tried to upgrade to Hardy using update-manager --devel-release ... it downloaded all the files, took 4 hours haha... anyway, once it tried to install, all my apps except gnomre closed with a 'report error' message... now when I try to do any updates, I get "you must do a partial update" which also fails17:38
AzaThtgenii: my wwdial.con is http://rafb.net/p/ID9wGD46.html17:38
MimiI then did apt-get update and upgrade in terminal and that worked, but  update-manager still tells me i must do a partial update. I dont wanna do it because its gonna break the files again.17:39
Zarvoxhi all17:40
AzaThtMimi: remove non-ubuntu thingis from /etc/apt/sources.list17:40
jac0b|whas anyone had a problem when booting up the new kernel?17:41
geniiAzaTht: The comma in username could be problemmatic17:41
Zarvoxthe brightness of my laptop screen is diming automaticly17:41
AzaThtgenie: true, (wonder where that came from)17:42
AzaThtbut it doesn't "use" that antway ツ17:42
jac0b|wthe new hardy kernel won't boot for me but I can boot with my old kernel could anyone help me17:42
xFlipxDoes anybody know if the Intel 965 chipset is still blacklisted for the upcoming heron release?17:43
geniiAzaTht: The thing uses some odd control strings, not Hayes standard type stuff. You might want to find some listing of them to know you have the syntax correct for that exact model17:43
Zarvoxi've upgraded my RC with latest kernel and no problem for me17:43
AzaThtgenii: I see17:44
jac0b|wZarvox: what version do you have?17:44
Zarvox2.6.24-16-generic is the latest ?17:45
jac0b|wI tried reinstalling the kernel but it didn't do anything17:45
jac0b|wI look to see if mine is the generic17:46
AzaThtubuntu isn't using pdiff?17:46
jac0b|wbut I know it is the 2.6.24-16.3017:46
Zarvoxfor me screen brightness of my laptop decrease automaticly17:47
MimiHelp.... hardy destroyed my install :P17:47
AzaThtZarvox: yes, that's a feature17:47
HardyOneMimi: you are SOL17:47
HardyOne:P17:48
jac0b|wis it recommended that you do  a clean install or is a web upgrade okay?17:48
ZarvoxLOL17:48
tannewtHi all, how has suspend/resume changed since gutsy?  I wrote a bash script to run upon suspend and resume but they are no longer being run.17:48
MimiI didnt do anything wrong though....17:48
Andycassswhy doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?!17:48
HardyOneZarvox: right click on the top panel and add the brightness app17:48
MimiAll I did was go to the FAQ on how to install hardy, types update manager -- dist upgrade or whatever, and went from there.17:48
Andycasssifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface17:48
HardyOneMimi: more info then destroyed my install is needed to help you17:48
AzaThtZarvox: it's to save energy17:49
MimiYes, and if you havent noticed, Ive described above what i've done :(17:49
Zarvoxyes HardyOne and now ?17:49
MimiI noticed something is different, the shut down picture is different now. but the booting up picture is the same. gdm does not start, saying i have to set it up manually17:49
AzaThtZarvox: if you don't want it,  go to Settings → Power settings and disable it17:50
FadeI really hate bootsplash. :)17:50
AzaThtenergy/Power whatever17:50
HardyOneZarvox: you can adjust the brightness with that app. but also in the System>Preferences I believe there is a setting you can uncheck. dont remember where right now17:50
AzaThtFade: then remove it ツ17:50
Fadei always do.17:50
HardyOneenergy/power management17:51
HardyOne:)17:51
AzaThtHardyOne: yea17:51
Zarvoxtx HardyOne17:51
AzaThtdidn't rememver if it was energy or power ツ17:51
HardyOneZarvox: np thanks to AzaTht also :)17:52
savvasanyone with a freash release candidate? please do this and tell me if it prompts you for a login user/password or if it show an error: nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net17:52
Zarvoxyes tx all :-)17:52
savvas*fresh install of17:52
MimiHardyOne, ... with the information I have given... can you pinpoint the problem? :/17:52
HardyOne!gdm17:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi17:53
HardyOnehmmm17:53
AdrianStraysIs the Sabayon User important?  I installed a splash screen which showed all the different users, and there is a user called sabayon, which I know nothing about, and wanted to remove from the users list17:53
tanatho.O17:53
MimiWell, does it mean that I've lost everything and I got to do a fresh install again... ?17:53
AzaThtsavvas: "Error: Illegal response"17:54
savvasnot Error: Invalid reply AzaTht ?17:54
Fritzeldoes anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?17:54
AzaThtsavvas: pobably, I had it in Swedish17:54
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AzaThtmanual translation17:54
Zarvoxi've installed hardy rc an hour ago and i've no big problem17:54
savvasAzaTht: ok hold a sec17:54
HardyOneMimi: try this /etc/init.d/gdm start17:54
HardyOneMimi: no it does not mean that you have to do a fresh install17:55
HardyOnenot yet atleast17:55
Zarvoxfor me hardy is the better version of ubuntu i try17:55
MimiHardyOne, I tried and it said.. somethink like "Warning! Gdm is already running! aborting" but when i went ctrl alt f7 there was nothing there17:55
jac0b|wI am getting "VFS root device can't be found" can anyone help me?17:56
savvasAzaTht: how about now: nautilus ftp://ftp.greek-fun.com17:56
AzaThtMimi: try "sudo pkill -HUP gdm"17:56
Andycassswhy doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?! ifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface17:56
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AzaThtsavvas: I'm gettng login prompt, but trying to login as anonymous I get invalid reply17:57
AzaTht(to vortex I don't get an login prompt)17:57
AzaTht!spam17:58
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savvasAzaTht: that one is ok, the vortex that is freebsd-based doesn't seem to work17:58
MimiMan it would be so great if i could use my ubuntu partition on virtualbox so i can fix this from windows :P Alright Im going to be dual booting a lot... so after I kill gdm, what do you think I should try AzaTht ? :P17:58
jac0b|wno one knows anything about the VFS can't find root device error?17:58
x1250start it17:58
AzaThtMimi: not kill, HUPing17:58
Mimioh17:58
AzaThtHUP tells gdb to restart17:58
AzaThtgdm*17:58
MimiOh that's nice17:58
savvasAzaTht: final request, can you run "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r" in a separate terminal and try "nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net" again? you could reply to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52528317:59
ubotuGnome bug 525283 in ftp backend "gvfs ftp error "invalid reply" without login prompt" [Normal,Unconfirmed]17:59
m11 i have setup PXE install server and it worked until reboot, now i have problem with dchp3 server not starting. (cant stop/start/restart) , how can i check what is blocking it to start ?17:59
AzaThtlets see17:59
MimiLet me go try that :-) Thanks. (though when it 'started', it said something like 'sorry could not start, you need to config x  manually' or somehting like that AzaTht  (I know you're busy helping others too so please take your time :P )18:00
geniijac0b|w: That usually means your initrd is missing/corrupt. Happens if for instance you had a kernel upgrade and then it didn't have a chance to run initramfs on it18:00
m11mimi , dpkg-reconfigrue xserver-xorg18:00
jac0b|wgenii: how would I run the initramfs18:00
AzaThtMimi: been there, done that, seems you have a borked xconfig file18:00
AzaThtsavvas: trying18:01
savvasAzaTht: ok thanks, the correct first line should be something like this: <-- 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------18:01
MimiArg, sounds like my mouse and laptop media keys are gonna go bye bye again :p everytime ubuntu makes me do that, i lose all my settings. alright, going to try, see ya all really soon ;p18:01
AzaThtsavvas: http://rafb.net/p/4sCEeo11.html18:01
savvasinteresting, then i'm not alone :P18:02
geniijac0b|w: Boot to livecd, mount old / somewhere, also loopmount /proc /sys and /dev to where they would be on the old /       then chroot there and do an apt-get install <somekernelname>18:02
savvasAzaTht: could you reply with that output to the bug link?18:02
AzaThtok18:03
jac0b|wgenii: any live CD or ubuntu18:03
AzaThtsavvas: need to reg firsty18:03
geniijac0b|w: An ubuntu would be preferable, since loopmounting the dirs I said (/proc /sys /dev)18:04
DanaGmount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev  (where /mnt is the mount point)18:05
savvasAzaTht: if it's not much of a problem, please do, I'd like to see that bug fixed :)18:05
jimcooncatWill online docs be available right off, or will we have to wait for a week as with gutsy?18:05
DanaGand do the same for /proc18:05
geniijac0b|w: If you mount the old /dev/sda1 (for instance) to /mnt  then DanaG's instructions make sense18:06
DanaGBind is much easier to remember than that type none, -o none, or whatever the heck it is.18:06
dreamz93j #xubuntu+118:07
quitttis Hardy released?18:08
PhoopHello. When booting the RC of 8.04 it hangs while loading the Hardware Abstraction Layer hald. It is the same thing I had with Gutsy. Do I have some shitty hardware in my machine or..?18:08
LARefugeeHi. Has anyone upgrade from Dapper to Hardy according to the docs in release notes? How did it go?18:10
jac0b|wgenii: if I were to do a clean install would that be easier18:10
geniijac0b|w: Frankly, yes18:11
jac0b|wit sounds like it18:11
jac0b|wthanks for the help18:11
MimiHardyOne, hey there :) the xorg reconfigured thing worked alright :) Thanks... but no internet connection xD Mmmm either way... I'm not sure what to do next ;p18:14
CreetureSo, is it just me or does Firefox 3 seem awfully unstable18:14
penanyone know the most complete icon set ever in ubuntu?18:14
penmost consistent18:14
jac0b|wgenii: what about dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version#18:14
savvasCreeture: unstable when doing what?18:15
Creeturesavvas: Try to save a file.18:15
CreetureIt's weird. I click a link to save, and firefox freezes. In an attempt to see what it's doing, I start an strace on that pid. When I start the strace, firefox starts responding again.18:16
CreetureUnless I stop the strace, then it freezes again.18:16
savvasCreeture: download a file you mean? or save a website? either way, mine works18:16
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Creeturesavvas: Yeah, it's just being kooky.18:17
savvasCreeture: you could start fresh (losing all your extensions, passwords, bookmarks, configuration) by clearing up .mozilla/ and do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox-3.0"18:19
jac0b|wif I were to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version# would that fix a problem i have initramfs18:19
quitttto update it, just change all gutsy in sources.list to hardy??18:19
Creeturesavvas: I just finished that little experiment. Same thing.18:19
alteregoaok, how can i pileup hardy to 2.6.2518:20
savvasCreeture: did you reinstall firefox or firefox-3.0 ?18:20
alteregoai can't smell the kernel , it doesn't work somehow18:20
Creeturesavvas: That's the only part I skipped. Going to do it now.18:20
noodlesgcanyone know if the intel 965 x3100 compiz and video playback issues are fixed in Hardy?18:20
quitttoh Firefox is very sucky... I stick with SeaMonkey hehe18:20
paynitoafter upgrading to 8.04 with synaptic i am in commandline and startx fails with xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) unable to connect to X server18:21
alteregoai use internet exploderer18:21
savvasCreeture: apt-cache policy firefox-3.0 | grep -i "installed\|candidate"18:21
warrendXhi18:21
warrendXi would like to know if there's also an hour planned for the hardy release?18:21
savvasno warrendX18:22
warrendXok18:22
Creeturesavvas: Both are 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu318:22
orthodocguys how do we upgrade from the devloper release?18:22
orthodocdoes it just happen?18:22
warrendXsavvas : also not a hour deadline?18:22
warrendXi had liked to know if it would be released before tomorrow 8h (GTM+2), but i don't think so18:23
savvasorthodoc: if you update, you get the current hardy, and you'll get the released one the same way, through updates :) you're already using hardy18:23
orthodocyes i am18:23
alteregoawhats a seamonkey? ancient african homo erectus?18:23
savvasCreeture: might be one of your plugins? :\ or does it do the same thing when you run it after you clear up .mozilla/firefox ?18:24
orthodocsavvas: just wanted to know if i 've to run any particular command18:24
savvasorthodoc: nope :)18:24
orthodocok...18:24
savvaswarrendX: i'm not sure, but why do you ask?18:24
orthodochow many hrs from now??18:24
warrendXbecause i wanted to download when i'm away :)18:25
Baby_Shambl3s'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other apps like that available to me?18:25
topylialteregoa: the old style mozilla suite with the browser, mail client and composer bundled18:25
alteregoanice18:25
alteregoaso tomorow i have to apt-get update another 600mb?18:25
orthodocnot aware if there is any auto upgrade procedures yet!18:25
savvaswarrendX: you can make a script for that :P18:26
warrendXfor what? :)18:26
orthodocok...18:26
savvaswarrendX: to check 2-3 hours and try download it18:26
Creeturesavvas: I think I may have tracked it down. I did your suggestion. Cleaned and reinstalled. At the hardy welcome page, put in lightning in the google search box. Went to the mozilla lightning page and did the save link as after following the linux x86 link. it worked. then, i did edit preferences, changed my download option to prompt for where to save and did the same thing again. locked up.18:26
noodlesgchello anyone please? I need to know if intel 965 is unblacklisted in Hardy?18:26
warrendXow yeah , would be nice18:26
alteregoai don't think i need a clean install18:26
x-iphi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?18:27
savvasCreeture: you could run firefox from a terminal then, just to see if there's an output :)18:27
Baby_Shambl3s'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other docking stations that i could use?18:27
Creeturesavvas: already doing it. no output.18:27
Picix-ip: Enlightenment is in the repositories18:27
alteregoaok i tried to download the iso on a BBS with ZMODEM, but it takes a few hours18:27
x-ipou, Pici but is the 0.16 and i want the 0.1718:28
Creeturesavvas: Something in this fiddling around has made it better.18:28
orthodocwarrendX: find a nice installation script her - http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/install.html18:28
x-ipVersion: 1:0.16.7.2-518:28
Picix-ip: ah, so I suppose it is, nevermind18:28
orthodocbut it requires interaction...18:28
Picix-ip: You'll have to search yourself for a packaged version of E then18:28
x-ipok =), thanks18:29
x-iphmmm where are the repositories from elubuntu ?18:29
alteregoaelbuntu?18:29
x-ipi saw it called eubuntu too18:29
spowersif i try modprobe nvidia, and dmesg shows  nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module  does that sound familiar to anyone?18:29
x-ipthe documentation isnt updated, so the links doesnt work anymore18:29
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alteregoapotprobe ganjidia dmsg smoke18:30
Creeturesavvas: Looks like it's not just firefox. It's just a symptom. I'm seeing some crash data in dmesg.18:30
paynitodo i really need the -f  on my sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?18:31
Baby_Shambl3sso im guessing i cant use docking apps like AWN without conky or beryl... but their must be other apps that do the same but dont rely on conky/beryl, can someone suggets soemthing :(?18:31
Creeturepaynito: In my opinion, you should use aptitude dist-upgrade18:31
savvasCreeture: try report a bug about it :)18:31
paynitothanks, why is aptitude better?18:32
Creeturesavvas: Don't know what to report yet. :) Thanks for the help so far though.18:32
warrendXorthodoc : wasn't there also something to download the iso today and download when it's out the changes, or something like thatN18:32
warrendXN18:32
warrendX?18:32
savvasCreeture: there's another rather risky way to clear up most if not all gnome-related configurations, it helped me clear up a lot of bugs18:33
Creeturestuff is segfaulting all over the place.18:33
orthodocthe official release will be out tommorrow and you can download the release the iso then18:33
orthodocbut the problem is, everyone will be downloading...18:33
warrendXi thought you could download RC18:33
Fritzeldoes anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?18:33
orthodocand the servers will be loaded18:33
warrendXand ownload potential chnages18:33
orthodocyes you could download RCas well18:33
CreetureI'm getting segfaults from x-session-manager now, along with kded (started because amarok ROCKS).18:33
d4t4min3rI can't get my wifi to work, im using a usb linksys wifi and its listing networks in the network think, showing the network "linksys" and it connects but18:34
savvasCreeture: ah.. kde.. not my "experties" :P18:34
d4t4min3rit won't work. and when you look at the connection details it doesn't have any.. ip address or any info18:34
orthodocam not sure about downloading potential changes, but you can keep updating and upgrading the RC18:34
Creeturesavvas: I'm actually using xubuntu, but amarok starts up kded and kdeinit.18:34
CreetureThis thing is being weird.18:34
warrendXok18:34
orthodocone of the reasons why i upgrade to the RC just before the release...18:35
d4t4min3rcould anyone help me18:36
savvaswarrendX: there's another solution, you could download the rc, and then use rsync to download just the file changes18:36
orthodoc...of the final version...18:36
warrendXwas that then18:36
orthodocthere never is actually a final release..18:36
warrendXbut there aren't any important changes or updates?18:36
orthodocthere is only a named release...18:36
d4t4min3rcould anyone help me with connectign to the interent18:36
savvaswarrendX: well... there were some 150mb of updates these days..18:37
orthodocchanges and updates keep happening18:37
warrendXok18:37
warrendXi mean between RC and tomorrow?18:37
orthodocbut usually it is robust enough and it is not necessary to update except for the security releases18:37
orthodocremember this is a LTS18:37
Mimilts = limited time support?18:38
savvaslong :p18:38
d4t4min3rcan anyone help me with wifi problems18:38
savvas3 years for desktop, 5 for server18:38
warrendXlong time ^^18:38
Mimioh ok  :)18:38
Mimi!ask | d4t4min3r18:38
ubotud4t4min3r: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)18:38
ravaloxd4t4miner, I may be able to18:38
ravaloxIs it an Atheros card?18:39
savvas!wifi | d4t4min3r18:39
ubotud4t4min3r: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs18:39
d4t4min3rjust installed 8.04 and the wifi is picking up networks, including mine18:39
d4t4min3rI click to connect to it, and it says connected but I can't surf to any page including the 192.168.1...18:39
d4t4min3rand.. if I click on connection detials it says its all empy... ip address all that is empy18:39
orthodocthe first thing i noticed today id that hibernation is working on my laptop...18:40
d4t4min3rim using linksys usb wifi18:40
penanyone know the most complete icon set available in ubuntu?18:41
LaneyTango?18:41
orthodocpen: the ultimate gnome18:41
warrendXpen: search on gnome-look, but i would recommend you humanElephant or nuovext or tango18:41
penok18:42
penany others?18:42
penI want some variety too18:42
warrendXhumanElephant looks nice on hardy18:42
BoohbahhumanElephant is a scary name18:42
penlol18:43
LinuxGuy1234Just installed 8.04 in VBox under Gusty... and works18:43
warrendXor it was human savannah or something like that18:43
Fritzelare there any mmo's aside from Everquest, Everquest 2, and WoW that have controls like those games and run in some form or another on ubuntu? I can't find a game that has controls that I can tolerate18:43
nanonymeIs humanelephant a God that has a human's body and an elephant's head?18:44
MimiFritzel, Guild Wars?18:44
siriusnovaFritzel - MMORPGs are horrid18:45
Fritzeler I ment to put guildwars on the list, too18:45
siriusnovaI played WoW till i realized I was an addict18:45
MimiOh ok:)18:45
siriusnovaand gave up on it18:45
siriusnovait was like going through a real addiction, withdrawls and everything lol18:45
MimiIf you had a life you woudlnt get addicted to it!!! ....  jk. *cough* Yeah, gotta focus on.. doing... something... productive!!! *goes read more about ubuntu* xD18:45
Fritzel-nod- yeah they can do that, so do you know of any other games with good controls?18:45
tomd123so have the updates stopped coming since they are finalizing the releasE?18:45
spowerssomeone should make wesnoth massively multiplayer18:46
spowersor uqm18:46
tomd123easier said then done18:46
spowersi don't really mean someone should do it18:47
spowersbut i bet it would be fun18:47
tomd123spowers: you should start creating it. Seriously that's how open source gets done, someone gets an idea and makes it into a reality rather than leaving it as an idea18:48
CreetureGonna go reboot, see if this thing quits segfaulting18:48
d4t4min3rok so I guess I should try ndis drivers for my wifi usb device but.. I don't have the origanal disk with the drivers on it..18:48
spowerstomd123: yeah, i could..  if it really, really tickled my fancy18:48
d4t4min3rit doesn't make sense that it can pick them up and show them... but it just won't connect18:48
d4t4min3rwell it shows connected with three bars just I can't surft to any site18:48
spowerstomd123: i mean, enough to get good at C.  i'm not sure the uqm project would appreciate me sending them a bunch of half-arsed changes in a giant patch that probably broke half their game18:49
spowersis anyone else having trouble with the binary nvidia driver in hardy after an upgrade from gutsy? i cannot get the kernel module to load.18:50
tomd123spowers: I meant starting your own fork, not just patching their game lol, that would be ridiculous18:50
FritzelI'll mess with wesnoth I've never actually played it maybe I can get into it18:50
spowerswesnoth is a fun game!18:50
d4t4min3rcan anyone help me18:50
Fritzelit certainly seems detailed18:51
tomd123spowers: fork as in keep game play, just make it an mmo, lol, I guess you shouldn't start it then if you don't know what I'm talking about :P18:51
warrendXwhy was this news posted: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop18:51
warrendXi though it was the 24th? :)18:51
d4t4min3ranyone here that can help me with wifi issues18:52
tomd123read the actual article warrendX18:52
tomd123warrendX: they announced it, the head line is misleading18:52
MimiwarrendX, it says 'Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April.'  What was your question again?18:52
Baby_Shambl3show can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?18:53
warrendXow ok sorry18:53
LinuxGuy1234warrendX: it's the 23rd18:54
briansvgshello18:54
warrendXeuh, tomorrow18:54
briansvgsso networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)18:54
MimiIt would help people across different timezones if we just said "its tomororw', because unlike dates, tomorrow is tomorrow18:54
Baby_Shambl3show can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?18:55
tomd123well, first thing 8.04 comes out, I'm installing minimal + enlightenment, I don't like gnome, too bloated for me18:56
tomd123maybe not bloated, I just like to play with "features" :P18:56
Mimiis update-manager --dist upgrade supposed to  ditch all your custom settings and apps?18:56
tomd123I don't think so18:56
briansvgsso networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)18:57
MimiBaby_Shambl3s,  i dont use cairo but just googling for 'cairo dock hardy how to' i got a bucnh of stuff18:57
tomd123briansvgs: does it connect to the network?18:57
blue|palmHi, ive just installed the hardy rc, but I can't seem to get my ati drivers working perfectly. xvinfo reports: "X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0  no adaptors present" and this of course means that everything requiring xv doesn't work (mpalyer mainly)18:57
topylitomd123: you'll probably want to run things like gnome-settings-daemon though. means installing much of gnome18:57
briansvgsyes18:57
blue|palmim using the drivers out of the restricted driver manager, which i believe is 8.318:58
topylitomd123: i would simply install gnome in order to make sure my E desktop works smoothly18:58
briansvgsbut in gutsy, after you connected to the network once, it would autoconnect to it after18:58
jerico2dayhey all, i've a quick question the 8.04 desktop edition coming out soon, will it support raid natively during the install? (couldn't find the answer at ubuntu.com)18:58
tomd123topyli: I do fine with the command line + firefox18:58
topylitomd123: why E then?18:58
topylitwm is much smaller18:58
tomd123topyli: I like the e menus18:59
topylinow you lost me, sorry18:59
Mimix) can we have global menu like mac os x in hardy :P18:59
topyliyou like the command line, firefox, and a menu?18:59
tomd123when you click on the desktop, a menu pops up with different apps just like the apps menu in gnome18:59
topyliso you can launch firefox?19:00
Baby_Shambl3sMimi: way ahead of you just wondering if there was a way to get it directory from  synaptic with having to compile just by adding a repository to hardy?19:00
Picixfce has that, does it not?19:00
briansvgsyes. I can launch firefox as well19:00
tomd123topyli: you didn't specify it had to make sense19:01
briansvgsI was just asking about the autoconnect thing. everything else is working properly19:01
tomd123briansvgs: google is your friend19:02
tomd123first link popped up http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-178933.html19:03
Baby_Shambl3sI'm guessing there is no way to add cairo-dock to the repository is there cause google is giving me nothing but compiling?19:03
_Rambaldi_does anyone know what time tomorrow hardy goes up19:03
warrendXthey says that there isn't an hour :(19:03
anzasno, its impossible to predict19:03
spowersdepends on the mirror19:04
warrendXapproximatively?19:04
spowersyou should try to not destroy archive.u.c19:04
BliceHi. I just switched to thew new version, and I have a problem. I only have borders on one window at a time. Like, if I switch from one window to another, the new window gets borders and the window I switched from loses it's borders. Any ideas?19:04
_Rambaldi_i wonder if once its up if there will be a mass update19:04
briansvgsthanks.19:04
blue|palmcan anyone point me to a link that could help fix xv issues?19:04
tomd123Blice: your one day too early, wait for tomarrow and burn the real release, if you still have problems, you should then mention them19:05
beexI've updated two machines I use daily to the RC, and now I cannot get synergy to work19:05
jetsaredimdid the stock ubuntu mouse cursors get removed or something?19:05
beexjetsaredim, the look fine to me19:05
tomd123jetsaredim: mouse is the same, I don't really notice though19:06
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jetsaredimi did a few updates last night logged out and logged back in just now and my kwin-baghira package was gone19:06
beexdoes anybody else use synergy?19:06
jaffarkelnope19:06
jetsaredimand also my mouse cursor was reset back to the stock and I don't see the ubuntu cursors in my configuration to choose from19:06
jaffarkeldoes anyone know if its possible to adjust lcd brightness in command line?19:07
d4t4min3rdoes anyone know if ndiswrapper comes install on HH19:07
Boohbahjaffarkel: no, but you can adjust nvidia driver alpha level with nvidia-settings19:07
dnyafter setting up a lamp server, phpmyadmin should be at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ right?  it's not showing up for me. :x19:08
d4t4min3rI found the cd with the dirvers for the usbwifi on it19:08
paynitoanyone have a19:08
Boohbahd4t4min3r: i'm not sure but you could always download the .deb before hand if you need it for install19:08
paynitoErrors were encountered while processing:19:08
paynitoxkeyboard-config19:08
jaffarkelthis if for a laptop, my brightness control wont work with the new kernels (14-16) Boohbah19:08
Boohbahjaffarkel: if it works in an older kernel, why not use the old kernel?19:09
ubuntucool123if anyone has trident video card in laptop and wants to run ubuntu 8.04 with proper resolution look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=477267119:09
tomd123jaffarkel: you have to go to the proc folder and search for the folder it is in on the internet, then just edit the file and set the number to the brightness you want, save and your good19:09
jaffarkeli thought kernel updates were necessary for a secure box Boohbah19:10
NukeSkyjumperi'm copying a few large files from one drive to another, and the entire machine is running godawfully slow...19:10
paynitoafter upgrading with aptitude dist-upgrade19:10
paynitomy kernel is19:10
paynito2.6.15-51-38619:10
paynitois that right?19:10
x1250jaffarkel: it really depends of the changelog in the new kernel. The update may have nothing to do with security, or it can...19:10
NukeSkyjumperseems like this should be handled better, especially on a core2duo system @3.3GHz19:11
Boohbahjaffarkel: no, most kernel development adds new features, and when there is a security fix, you will hear about it19:11
paynitoi always get setting kernel variables : failed on boot19:11
Picipaynito: aptitude dist-upgrade will not upgrade you from Dapper to Hardy19:11
paynitodamn19:11
jaffarkeltomd123 what folder in proc19:11
Boohbahjaffarkel: like the vmsplice exploit which came out in january...\19:11
tomd123paynito: type in "uname -a" into the command line to see your kernel version19:11
Dusk_hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???19:11
tomd123jaffarkel: you have to check on the internet for your laptop19:11
tomd123mine was in acpi/sony/brightness, I can't remember exactly19:12
Picipaynito: Please see the topic on how to do the LTS Upgrade19:12
jaffarkeloh i see, i never knew that i thought kernel updates were security fixed Boohbah19:12
paynito2.6.15-51-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 12 16:52:52 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux19:12
paynitoi did, i did the LTS upgrade with upgrade manager19:12
jaffarkeli will check tomd12319:12
markfhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f19719:12
paynitounplugged the power half way19:13
Dusk_hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???19:13
paynitohad a messed up dapper19:13
paynitoreinstalled pango19:13
x1250cd .config19:13
x1250oops, lol19:13
paynitonow i have a command prompt19:13
tomd123jaffarkel: find it on the internet, they changed the directory, I just looked19:13
x1250Dusk_: $ cat .config/user-dirs.dirs19:14
paynitoUbuntu 8.04 danny-laptop tty119:14
jaffarkeli did a systm search for brightness, i found some .sh files in proc tomd12319:14
paynitoxinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server19:14
x1250Dusk_: there define XDG_DESKTOP_DIR as /home/user/19:14
tomd123jaffarkel: I cannot help you for certain, google your laptop and brightness adjust19:15
jaffarkelthanks for the help anyway tomd12319:16
Eli_Hi i ran into strange bugs after upgrading to hardy today. It looks like it is PolicyKit/Dbus related. Anyone here who can help ?19:16
melterdoes anyone know if ubuntu's firefox 3.0b5 has all the security fixes from 2.0.14?19:17
tomd123melter: if the fixed it in 2.0.14 then they probably fixed it in the new one19:18
melter2.0.14 was released after 3.0b519:19
Picimelter: Perhaps, maybe 2.0.14's fixes dont even apply to FF3?19:19
melterso 2.0.14 IS the new one19:19
d4t4min3rBoohbah: hey19:19
melterPici: i don't know19:19
d4t4min3rBoohbah: the name of the driver on the install cd for the usbwifi... is the same driver that is listed now on ubuntu that its using19:19
Picimelter: Neither do I19:19
tomd123melter: the name says it all though, if you don't want problems, you probably want to use 2.0.0.1419:19
d4t4min3rrf250019:19
d4t4min3rits showing the network in the wifi listing on ubuntu.. and it says it  connects... and gives me three bars but I can't surf to any site19:20
nanonymeHmm, does Hardy already have a package for Firefox 2?19:20
tomd123beta means that it is under developement, it's not even a release candidate so expect lots of bugs19:20
tomd123nanonyme: yes19:21
nanonymeUnder which name?19:21
Eli_has anyone read my message19:21
Eli_?19:21
d4t4min3rany ideas?19:21
tomd123nanonyme: "sudo apt-get install firefox-2"19:21
Boohbahd4t4min3r: pastebin the ouput of iwconfig please19:21
x1250Eli_: Maybe there is someone who can help, but what you say will not do. Pastebin some error messages or be more descriptive.19:22
nanonymeRight, firefox-2 then.19:22
d4t4min3rsure one sec im gona have to discontect from this pc to the other19:22
d4t4min3rill be back19:22
Boohbahi guess pastebin is sort of tricky with no network19:22
kahrytannanonyme->  dont share profiles with ff3 and ff219:22
Eli_i posted it here but since the thread is "solved" it seems to be ignored19:22
Eli_http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72774619:22
nanonymekahrytan: Do they try to do that by default?19:22
kahrytannanonyme-> forgot. I just know it isnt compatble19:23
nanonymeHmm. It refuses to start Firefox 2 for me even with the start menu icon.19:24
nanonymeIt starts FF3 b5 instead. :/19:24
paynitothe following packages have unmet dependencies19:24
paynitoxkeyboard-config: depends: xkb -data >= 1.1~cvs.20080104 but it is not installed19:24
BUGabund1hi there19:25
BUGabund1quick check19:25
tomd123nanonyme, completely remove ff3 and 2 and then install just 2, I think I heard about this issue somewhere19:25
BUGabund1does umount autocomplete on bash on your hardy systems?19:25
tomd123BUGabund1: yes19:26
BUGabund1typing "umount TAB TAB"19:26
BUGabund1it lists losts of stuff, and not my dirs/mount points, tomd12319:26
tomd123BUGabund1: I think you want to type in mount19:27
tomd123not umount19:27
tomd123BUGabund1: just type in mount and hit enter, no tabbing plz19:27
BUGabund1why not tomd123?19:28
blackvdI just upgraded to hardy and now emerald isn't running on boot. I have to run emerald --replace from alt+f2 does anyone know how I can have it start on login?19:28
BUGabund1I need to get to the mountpoint so I can unmount it19:28
tomd123BUGabund1: I don't know, I guess you're supposed to know what to unmount before you type in the command19:29
NukeSkyjumperhow do you tell udev to rescan devices?19:29
NukeSkyjumperi just created a new partition, but its device isn't showing up in /dev19:29
tomd123BUGabund1:  no you don't, just type in umount and then the absolute path to the directory19:29
BUGabund1don't be stupid tomd12319:30
BUGabund1it worked a few weeks ago19:30
tomd123BUGabund1: I suggest you try somewhere else if your not going to listen to people19:31
blackvdwell I thought I might try and fix the easy problem first. My major problem after update is that sudo is broken now " unable to resolve host"19:31
tomd123BUGabund1: why don't you read "man umount" if you don't like to listen to ppl19:31
paynitoafter upgrading to hardy i only have a cli and start x says19:32
paynitoxauth: creating new authority file /home/danny/.serverauth.480819:32
paynitogiving up.19:32
paynitoxinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server19:32
paynitoxinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error19:32
paynitoany help?19:32
BUGabund1just re-read it tomd123... nowhere it says it doenst handle bash autocomplete19:33
d4t4min31Boohbah: you here19:33
d4t4min31http://pastebin.com/d2378e86019:33
Boohbahi'll take a look19:34
d4t4min31thanks19:34
Boohbahit looks good19:34
Boohbahtry 'ifconfig wlan0'19:34
tomd123BUGabund1: when you hit tab when you type in umount does it autocomplete19:34
Boohbahd4t4min31: does it show that you have an ip address?19:34
d4t4min31no19:34
WhitorHi... My wireless card worked with 7.10 but not yet with 8.04 ... I'm getting a little nervous since the official release is so close... I've been updating via a wired NIC... and hoping that with an update, my wireless would start working again... I knew this -was- a known issue... is it still ?? or should I start digging for a manual solution?19:35
BUGabund1priv tomd12319:35
d4t4min31its empty19:35
tomd123BUGabund1: the answer is yes19:35
Boohbahd4t4min31: ok, 'sudo dhclient wlan0'19:35
d4t4min31ok give me five mins ill be back19:36
d4t4min31gota switch agin19:36
patifaWhitor: it may help if you specify what card you have19:37
__max_anyone know what command shows what programs are using the sound driver? im guessing im using oss19:37
firefeatherAnyone had experience with using jigdo on the install CDs?19:38
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__max_i killed the pid for firefox since it locked up, and now xmms wont play :)19:38
BoohbahWhitor: i heard there was an issue with ndiswrapper in 2.6.24 but mine is working with 2.6.24-16-generic19:38
__max_or if there is a script that unloads and loads the nessesary sound drivers again.19:38
Ergo^hello19:38
Ergo^im having trouble with brasero and writing a double layer DVD19:38
Ergo^it says "cant write with current plugin set"19:39
Dusk_my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later19:39
DanaGwww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/alsa-info.sh19:39
tomd123DanaG: link not working19:39
pen_how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?19:39
DanaGor rather19:39
DanaGwww.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/reload-alsa.sh19:39
__max_cheers :D19:39
DanaGfrom alsa-info site before it went down.19:39
DanaGWhen anybody links to a shell script, it's a good idea to look at it at least once to be sure there's nothing blatantly bad.19:40
pen_anyone know how?19:40
Ergo^does anyone have any experience with writing a double layer DVD's on hardy ?19:40
Dusk_my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??19:41
marx2k_When using screen, alt-s pauses my screen completely and I have to SSH back in and reattach... how do I go about not having to do that after hitting alt-s?19:41
BoohbahDanaG: why, did you put a fork bomb in that one? :-)19:41
__max_DanaG: worked like a charm, that script should really be included in the distro =/ not the first time its happend19:42
agibby5 i'm having a great deal of issues in hardy.  when i launch firefox, and press the control key, it crashes, when i press any key in a new terminal it crashes... any ideas/19:42
DanaGBoohbah: I know you're joking there, but you did get what I meant.19:42
agibby5also, my shift, windows, and contrl keys dont work as expected19:42
DanaGI once made a forkbomb program that'd fork a specified number of times.19:42
agibby5btw, i just did the upgrade to hardy last night.19:43
DanaGOnce I accidentally locked up my system with 2^100 threads, I limited it to 50.19:43
__max_i actually read the code before executing it though ^ ^19:43
marx2k_Thats more like a fork-firecracker19:43
dnyAll of a sudden I'm getting ALSA errors such as 'The ALSA soundsystem is either busy or not present.'  How do I go about fixing this? :x19:43
DanaGSo..... if you ask for over 50, it says, "YOU MAY NOT!!!"19:43
pen_how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?19:43
jeffimperialHello everyone.. what time in GMT does the Final Release get to the community?19:43
DanaGIt also reminds me of a prank program I once made in VB6: it opened 250 copies of a small window, in random positions; each window had a "Go Away" button.19:44
DanaG.... and to be nice, I made it so that clicking any one would close all 250 windows.19:44
Ergo^anyone ?? i have a guest and cant write a double layer for him :D19:45
Ergo^single layer works perfectly fine19:45
DanaGbaobab can't do it?19:45
DanaGTry k3b, perhaps.19:45
DanaGIt'll pull in several KDE libraries, though.19:45
FawzibAnyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?19:46
Ergo^hmm, but its hould work in gnome programs too ?19:46
BoohbahDanaG: assuming that you don't already have kde libraries installed... but does anybody NOT use KDE??19:46
DanaG"Anybody not use KDE" -- you know, if that were applied to religion, it'd be considered rude.19:47
Boohbah:-)19:47
DanaGWatch out for that -- some people are desktop-environment zealots.19:47
bod_hey guys, when i use mozilla it lags my machine, everytime it has to load a site, my mouse jerks and music jumps -- has anyone else experienced this?19:47
Ununbiumpeople still believe in religion?19:48
BoohbahDanaG: i've been using free desktop evironments for a decade, i know what i like :-)19:48
firefeatherUnunbium: Depends; do you believe in people who believe in religion?19:48
Ununbiumnope19:48
Ununbiumthey don't exist19:48
bod_this only started happening since i started using wi-fi19:49
firefeatherUnunbium: ;)19:49
vicentecarroHi19:49
firefeatherOops; forgot I was joking around in the wrong channel; ubuntu-release is where that chatter should go. Sorry19:49
vicentecarroWhere is .trash in ubuntu 8.04?19:50
kane77I have strange thing happening.. I open network settings and unlock it and then I try to change the location/profile and it gives me: "The configuration could not be saved. you are not allowed to modify the system configuration..."  what's that?19:50
Dusk_my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??19:50
BoohbahDusk_: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?19:50
bod_vicentecarro, same place it was in 7.10 home/user/.Trash19:51
vicentecarronot in my users...19:52
virtualdit's ~/.local/share/Trash for me but it's an old install19:52
Dusk_bod_: let me paste it to you19:52
vicentecarrovirtuald, i go to check it19:52
bod_Dusk_, ???19:52
vicentecarroCorrect :)19:53
paynitodpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config (--configure)19:53
Dusk_bod_: sorry wrong person19:53
paynitodependency problems - leaving unconfigured19:53
paynitodoes that keep me from having a gui?19:53
Dusk_Boohbah: let me paste it to you19:53
vicentecarroThanks virtuald19:53
bod_guys, how do i turn ipv6 off in firefix - its some weird string put into tthe address bar19:53
bod_Dusk_, ok ;~)19:53
Dusk_Boohbah: http://pastebin.com/m7556cd1b19:54
bod_vicentecarro, im guessing the file path virtuald gave u is the accumulated trash of all users (brainstormin)19:54
Boohbahbod_: how is firefox getting an ipv6 string in the address bar?19:54
vicentecarrobod_, i go to make a test about that19:55
bod_Boohbah, its not,, its a special thing you type into the address bar of firefox to get to some settings -- i no you can turn ipv6 off there19:55
BoohbahDusk_: and you said your X server is crashing? the log looks fine19:55
bod_vicentecarro, cool -- lemme no your findins ;~)19:55
Dusk_Boohbah: it restarts and turn backs to GDM log in screen19:55
bod_Boohbah, my problem is firefox spikes to 50% cpu everytime it has to do something19:55
FawzibAnyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?19:57
virtualdbod_: it's in my home dir19:57
geniibod_:   about:config in the url bar gives you firefox settings. You may want network.dns.disableIPv6      area.19:57
bod_genii -- i think thats the one -- thanks dude19:57
geniibod_: np19:57
bod_genii, if network.dns.disableIPv6 is tur does that mean ipv6 is disabled?19:59
bod_virtuald, what is?19:59
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vicentecarrobod_, confirmed. All my users have their own .local/share/.Trash/files/ folder and the deleted files are going now to that (strange) place. So i guess there is no more .trash folder in ubuntu.19:59
bod_vicentecarro, im using ubuntu 8.04 dev 64 and i have a home/bod/.Trash20:00
vicentecarroAre you sure your deleted files are going to .Trash?20:00
virtualdbod_: .local/share/Trash20:00
bod_oh, kk20:00
bod_vicentecarro, going to test20:01
bod_vicentecarro, test confirmed (yes they do)20:01
virtualdi guess the path can be changed in gconf-editor20:02
vicentecarrook then. I'll keep that in mind if someone ask me.20:02
vicentecarroThanks. see you20:03
bod_kk20:03
bod_;~)20:03
d4t4min3rBoohbah: u here20:04
lixomancemI have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?20:04
DisgruntldtoteHello everyone, I have an interesting webcam issue I would like to know if you could help me with20:04
tomd123Disgruntldtote: just ask your question20:05
Boohbahd4t4min3r: i am floating between channels20:05
unenoughHi, how do I control which video driver X uses? in xorg.conf there is no "DRIVER" line for the video device20:05
DisgruntldtoteI am using a Logitech Quickcam Communicate STX on Hardy, and it does see it and function, but in every app EXCEPT for Camorama the picture has a blue hue.20:05
DisgruntldtoteI tried adding the line "options gspca force_rgb=1" into my  /etc/modprobe.d/options20:06
Disgruntldtotebut to no avail20:06
nosrednaekimunenough: whats your video card?20:06
unenoughradeon20:06
unenoughshould be using fglrx20:06
nosrednaekimdid you install the fglrx driver?20:07
atobHas anybody had problems with grub in hardy recently?20:07
unenoughnosrednaekim: yes20:07
nosrednaekimunenough: ok, you need to add the driver line then20:07
unenoughnosrednaekim: i'm wondering how Xorg chooses a dirver if there is no "driver" line20:07
ZambeziIs it problem with apt-get update now?20:08
Disgruntldtotehmph20:08
kabadsshould I be able to see 'headphone jack sense' on any of the sound controls in Hardy Heron, as I can't find them.20:08
agibby5anyone else having problems with ctrl, shift, and/or windows button issues in hardy/20:08
lixomancemI have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?20:09
DisgruntldtoteNo sugestions then I spose20:09
tannewtwhat suspend technique is used in Hardy?  I want to add a script to be run20:10
d4t4min3ri somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get20:10
d4t4min3runable to resolve host home20:10
d4t4min3ram i still connected?20:10
nosrednaekimunenough: it chooses the defalt for your card... "ati"20:11
kabadsI'm having a problem muting my laptops  front built-in speakers when I plug in headphones20:11
unenoughnosrednaekim: ok20:12
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, looks like you need to get some kind of color correction filter working on your webcam20:12
d4t4min3r somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get20:12
d4t4min3r(03:04:18 PM) d4t4min3r: unable to resolve host home20:12
d4t4min3r(03:04:25 PM) d4t4min3r: am i still connected?20:12
d4t4min3rkeep loosing connection20:12
DisgruntldtoteThanks bitraiser, I just wish I knew how.20:13
d4t4min3ranyone here20:14
Picid4t4min3r: yes20:15
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, has it worked in Gutsy and it just stopped working, now that you're on Hardy? According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasLogitech it's supposed to work on gutsy out of the box with the provided gspca driver20:16
* izinucs is away: I'm having...... a break20:16
kabadsif I compile alsa manually will it be easy to revert to ubuntu's default sound if it doesn't work?20:16
Disgruntldtoteyeah well it does just im blue20:17
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, might want to send this guy ("scottslinux") here a PM or so and ask him how he's got his Communicate STX working with the color correction filter.       http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=472273520:17
Disgruntldtotelol20:17
Disgruntldtotei never used it in Gutsy20:18
DisgruntldtoteI just got it today20:18
DisgruntldtoteI appologise, the phone rang while you guys were responding to me20:18
Baby_Shambl3scan someone tell me if my 'make check' compiled alright or if there are any issues i should be aware of - http://pastebin.ca/994926?20:21
Luckriderdoes anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly20:21
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, what do you get with lsusb again on your camera? apparently there are 2 versions out there (with 2 different chipsets), using the wrong driver/driver version may cause some issues20:22
Disgruntldtoteahha, let me look really quick like20:23
tomd123Baby_Shambl3s: there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the compile, couple of warnings, but that shouldn't matter20:23
DisgruntldtoteBus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc.20:23
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, mind if I PM you? we might have your solution here20:24
Disgruntldtotehey you betcha20:24
tomd123Baby_Shambl3s: make and make check should work, its make install that you need sudo for20:24
Baby_Shambl3stomd123: thanx so I cna ignore the warnings without worrying it make cause problems when it is actually compiled o_0? and when using 'make' do i have to be in root (sudo) or can i do it as normal user?20:24
tomd123Baby_Shambl3s: make is fine as normal user20:25
Baby_Shambl3stomd123: you read ym mind your too good cant compete :D20:25
tomd123Baby_Shambl3s: warnings are typically ok if you got the package off of the main site and they aren't beta20:26
xngeari'm glad you fixed uslpash, it is show something now instead of just turning monitor off lol :D20:26
Baby_Shambl3stomd123: yup got it from the actual site, the latest stable version, thanks for that i'm more relaxed will do make than make install20:27
doug2266778822_ how does one change his curser icons i have the one i want downloaded. and im in the newest distro20:27
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, do you see my PMs?20:27
Disgruntldtoteyes  I see your pms20:27
Disgruntldtotedo you see mine?20:27
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, nope, don't see yours20:27
Disgruntldtoteargh..... interesting20:27
bitraiserDisgruntldtote, are you registered with Freenode?20:28
Disgruntldtotenope. that may be my problem20:28
lucypherhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/22049720:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220497 in network-manager "network-manager doesn't handle ppp connections." [Undecided,New]20:28
lucypherany news about this bug?20:28
Disgruntldtotehow do I go about registering with freenode?20:29
Pici!register | Disgruntldtote20:29
ubotuDisgruntldtote: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.20:29
DisgruntldtoteOk working on registering. 1 sec20:31
Disgruntldtote     /msg nickserv register <p4ssinglane>20:32
Disgruntldtotefuck20:32
Disgruntldtotei fail20:32
Disgruntldtotelmao20:32
Disgruntldtotesorry about the language20:32
Disgruntldtoteok then20:32
bitraiserthat's one way of writing down your password, by sharing it with 439 other IRC users :)20:33
Disgruntldtotehahahaha20:33
Disgruntldtoteno kidding20:33
Disgruntldtotewell its changed now anyway20:33
paynitoxkbd problems leave me with no gui in 8.0420:33
paynitohttp://pastebin.com/f4e4f16c120:33
xngearmay you please also post your credit card number20:33
DisgruntldtoteI figured I would do it that way so that I could ask someone incase I forgot20:34
Disgruntldtotehahaha20:34
doug2266778822_what do i need to install that lets me change my mouse theme?20:34
Disgruntldtoteand SS number?20:34
DisgruntldtoteIm not a big IRC user as you can put together20:34
bitraisernow you know why there are so many idlers in here, we sometimes just happen to find peeps like you, who spill it all out online :)20:35
paynitodpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config20:38
paynitowhat now?20:38
ecubuntuany one have linksys wrt54gx4 and Hardy?20:41
_Rambaldi_i am not sure who iwas talking to but i fixed my lcd brightness problem, my last problem with hardy fixed.20:43
_Rambaldi_i can now adjust from terminal20:43
ecubuntuany one?20:43
_Rambaldi_seems like a ghost town20:44
ecubuntuI know20:44
tomd123_Rambaldi_: I know how it feels to get everything working on your laptop(including web cam) :P20:44
_Rambaldi_ah it was you, even wrote a small script to make changing it easy20:45
ecubuntuhey guys I have router linksys wrt54gx4 but only with this router I can not get access to the internet on my laptop with Hardy20:45
tomd123_Rambaldi_: good job, I would post this as a bug though so that the team can update the brightness display so it will work for everyone20:46
ecubuntuany one have the same problem?20:46
_Rambaldi_i still cant get my webcam working but i think its coz its a generic one, and not on the compatibility list20:46
tomd123_Rambaldi_: is it a motioneye?20:46
FawzibAnyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?20:47
_Rambaldi_it has no name really tomd12320:47
tomd123_Rambaldi_: what laptop are you using?20:47
_Rambaldi_amilo li 1705 (fuji seimens)20:47
dnyAnyone use AWN?20:48
ecubuntuI was20:48
dnyI can't get applets to work, they show up as white lines  :x20:48
ecubuntulet me see20:49
savvaswhich applets ?20:49
jimcooncatis hardy available as a mini-iso? I don't see them on the releases page.20:49
tomd123_Rambaldi_: nvm, I don't know how to get that camera working :P, never heard of the laptop either :P20:49
dnyalso, where can I download applets?20:49
Luckriderdoes anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly20:49
savvasdny: which applets did you try?20:49
Luckrider* an20:49
dnyclock20:50
dnyand the terminal one20:50
d4t4min3rmy connection keeps droping,20:50
_Rambaldi_i think the problem was with the webcam, it cost 3 pounds so am not suprised tomd12320:50
Some_PersonLuckrider: no update needed, it uses the same package base20:50
d4t4min3rusing wifi20:50
d4t4min3rBoohbah: u on?20:50
Luckriderok, thanks Some_Person, this is the first Beta I have used so far, so I wasn't sure20:51
Some_Personmy first too20:51
LuckriderI like it though20:51
Some_Personme too20:51
Luckriderit is very stable20:51
Some_Personagreed20:52
Luckriderit is only my first linux beta though, I have used beta programs before, I just asked because this is different20:52
Some_Personcompiz actually works right for the first time20:52
Luckrideroh20:52
LuckriderI have had beryl before20:52
Luckriderfusion isn't that different now though20:52
LuckriderI love it20:52
Some_Personberyl has been merged with compiz to form compiz fusion, which is in ubuntu since gutsy20:52
LuckriderI know, that is why fusion is more like beryl now20:53
Some_Personi used beryl back on edgy20:53
d4t4min3rcan anyone help me20:53
Luckridersame20:53
d4t4min3rplease20:54
Luckrideranf fiesty Some-Person20:54
ecubunt1d4t4min3r: ?20:54
d4t4min3rmy connection keeps droping in and out20:54
Some_Personi used compiz fusion on feisty20:54
d4t4min3rim using wifi usb for connection on HH  wusb54gv420:54
d4t4min3rgot a connection but it keeps going in and out20:54
Luckrideroh, I used the update in synaptic, so I still had beryl20:54
ecubunt1what kind of router u have d4t4min3r20:54
d4t4min3rlinksys20:54
ecubunt1model?20:54
Some_Personand then i abandoned effects on gutsy, because of bugs20:54
Luckrideroh, same here20:55
ecubunt1model? d4t4min3r20:55
paynitoi can't install xkeyboard-config and xkb-data20:56
paynitoi am stuck at a command line20:56
d4t4min3r54gs20:56
d4t4min3r sudo dhclient wlan020:56
d4t4min3rsudo: unable to resolve host Home20:56
jeroen-can anyone tell me whats the deal with vmware in Hardy? It's now in the kernel, but no vmware-player in the repo's anymore?20:56
jeroen-I'm confused20:56
ecubunt1hardy d4t4min3r or ?????20:57
nosrednaekimjeroen-: just use virtualbox20:57
jeroen-nosrednaekim: is virtualbox also in the kernel20:57
jeroen-?20:57
ecubunt1what kind of security u have on yuor router d4t4min3r20:57
nosrednaekimjeroen-: yes20:57
jeroen-ok20:57
nosrednaekimjeroen-: it works very very well20:57
d4t4min3ryeah20:58
jeroen-but why is vmware-player removed from the repo's, but still in the kernel20:58
jeroen-?20:58
d4t4min3r8.0420:58
jeroen-where can I find the filosofy behind that20:58
Some_Personi started using ubuntu at breezy, was my first linux ever20:58
Some_Personwhat about you, Luckrider?20:58
ecubunt1i have gardy an wrt54gx4 and i can no get any connection d4t4min3r i thing soo is s bug20:58
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ecubunt1becasue i have wrt54g on my office and i get connection d4t4min3r20:59
d4t4min3rright now i cant connect to any site20:59
d4t4min3rsometimes it comes in but just drops out20:59
d4t4min3rcan even get to 192.168.1.120:59
d4t4min3rall security is turned off20:59
Luckrideroh, some_person, I started with edgy20:59
ecubunt1try to change the channel d4t4min3r21:00
d4t4min3rchannel?21:01
d4t4min3rirc channel?21:01
beautifulsnowHi..... all upgrade-manager --dist-upgrade did was break everything.. I mean, wireless doenst work, compiz is bye bye, x did not even start 1st time I tried (had to configure it from scratch) ummm.. and I haven't checked anything else because Im scared to find more broken stuff lol.... What should I do?:P Since I wireless doesn't work, Im SOL.21:02
ecubuntud4t4 channel on your router21:03
vbabiy-laptopHey guys has any one noticed that the new version of compiz is very sluggish? I am on a dell m1530 with the nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT21:03
Some_Personvbabiy-laptop: seems ok here, emachines, nvidia geforce 610021:04
Kl4mbeautifulsnow: automatix user?21:05
penanyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?21:05
penit's all black21:05
Luckridervbabiy-laptop, mine is working much faster than yesterday21:05
vbabiy-laptopLuckrider: mine improved from yesterday to but it still seem sluggish on some things21:06
GoodJobhello21:06
GoodJobany news on hardy?21:06
vbabiy-laptopLike when I switch tabs in terminal with compiz enabled it slow but with out it is really fast21:06
beautifulsnow"Kl4m: beautifulsnow: automatix user?", No, I did it via gnome's update manager. Followed the ubuntu guide.21:06
vbabiy-laptopGoodJob: what kinda of news21:06
vbabiy-laptoptomorrow is the release21:06
vbabiy-laptopif it has not changed21:06
Luckrideroh... I have not seen any sluggishness at all, It is moving very fast, and uses less power than when I first tried it21:06
GoodJobit's 10 p.m. my time21:07
vbabiy-laptopLuckrider: what setting are you running at21:07
beautifulsnow>_> it doesn't matter what time zone it is, it's tomorrow for me, tomorrow for you, and tomorrow for your cousin in japan.21:07
penanyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?21:07
GoodJobi don't have a cousin in japan :D21:07
vbabiy-laptopthe best feature of all is that my suspend not works :D21:07
beautifulsnow;p was a joke21:08
GoodJobnot that i know of anyhow :)21:08
GoodJobi know :P21:08
Luckriderumm.., vbabiy21:08
vbabiy-laptoppen: what is tilda21:08
bod_hey guys -- has anyone else had problems with newly added launchers in awn not bein there after a reboot?21:08
LuckriderI am not fully sure what you mean21:08
AdrianStraysI'm running Hardy, and the lag is really bad.  On webpages its slow to low and when I scroll everything drags.  Right now as you all post it takes a noticiblely long time for your messages to fully display21:08
GoodJobtilda is ~21:08
penvbabiy-laptop: you don't know? it's a quake like drop-down terminal21:08
beautifulsnowbod_ all the time :P might wanna take it to #awn21:08
GoodJobit is written as tilde21:08
vbabiy-laptoppen: o never used it21:08
bod_beautifulsnow, will do, cheers ;~)21:09
pen!tilda | vbabiy-laptop21:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tilda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi21:09
vbabiy-laptopLuckrider: are you using the custom setting or the preset settings?21:09
Luckrideroh21:09
GoodJobtilda? sigh21:09
GoodJobit's tilde!21:09
Luckrideryeah, custom settings21:09
vbabiy-laptoppen: but I know what you mean21:09
GoodJob~21:09
Kl4mGoodJob: it is tilda.21:09
penis it because of compiz?21:09
Kl4mThe program is named tilda.21:09
penI'm guessing21:09
GoodJobhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde21:09
GoodJobprogram?21:10
Luckridervbabiy-laptop, I am using the custom settings21:10
Kl4mhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_%28software%2921:10
GoodJobyou mean an application?21:10
vbabiy-laptopLuckrider: same here, well it could be my video card drive. there still is some issues with that21:10
beautifulsnowYeah it's a terminal that's embedded in the dekstop background I think, GoodJob21:10
GoodJoba program is just a part of an applicationž21:10
Luckrideryeah, what card do you have?21:10
vbabiy-laptopnVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT21:10
GoodJobso this Tilda of yours is an application21:10
GoodJob!21:11
penGoodJob: it's not a word21:11
LuckriderI don't know much about those, I have a Radeon FireGL21:11
mneptokGoodJob: you just crossed that "detail orientation/anal retention" line :)21:11
vbabiy-laptopalso any one know of how to get the java plugin working in firefox221:11
beautifulsnow:-)21:11
GoodJobwhoa this Tilda is kinda cool21:11
penok, I will seek solution else where :)21:11
beautifulsnowPaying 50 bucks to whoever wants to come over and fix my hardy install without having to lose all my ubuntu settings :p21:11
penGoodJob: yea21:11
Baby_Shambl3scan someone provide me a working link that allows me to download cairo-dock it seems google has all these expired links and posts "would prefer .deb if possibel"?21:11
GoodJobis Ubuntu going to include that shit?21:12
mneptokbeautifulsnow: would you pay $250?21:12
penGoodJob: it's in the repository I think21:12
GoodJobnice21:12
penGoodJob: sudo apt-get install tilda21:12
GoodJobit's more user-friendly than Terminal21:12
beautifulsnowmneptok:  I would if I could afford it xD21:12
penGoodJob: it's better and faster21:12
paynitoxkeyboard-config: Depends: xkb-data(>=1.1~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6) but it is not installable21:12
paynitoanyone?21:12
penGoodJob: but now I'm stuck in transparancy21:12
mneptokbeautifulsnow: too bad. a support contract is $250.21:12
GoodJobjust a click of a button and voila, i can't put some shit in my linux console21:13
vbabiy-laptopYeah terminal has some issues, if you tail -f a very active log it eats up CPU like crazy21:13
mneptok!language > GoodJob21:13
beautifulsnow"support contract?" they actually offer it in ubuntu? can you link me to the site? sounds great21:13
GoodJob-f hey?21:13
mneptokbeautifulsnow: http://shop.canonical.com21:13
pen?21:13
pen-f?21:13
beautifulsnowOh that's neat thanks. *goes and pays for training instead*21:13
keanuquestion - what'll happen to firefox tomorrow?  with Hardy ship with beta 5?21:13
GoodJobyes21:14
Gnine!botsnack21:14
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!21:14
* mneptok hopes he can eat next month :P21:14
GoodJobther RC has beta 5 so...21:14
nosrednaekimkeanu: yes21:14
Luckriderbeatifulsnow, try /me and type a comment21:14
Kl4mtail -f : follow and display the output of a file as it grows21:14
keanunosrednaekim, ok, thanks21:14
GoodJobthe Ubuntu RC has FF beta 5 so...21:14
Luckriderthat is better than stars21:14
beautifulsnowmneptok:  do they come to your home and fix it?21:14
nosrednaekimmneptok: selling your serveices?eh :)21:14
beautifulsnowLuckrider:   ... why? I know what /me does but ... what , why?21:14
GoodJob<ubotu> mneptok wants you to know: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.21:14
mneptokbeautifulsnow: sure, i can do that. it's $10,000 for the first hour, $100 each additional. :)21:14
GoodJobjust because i used the word shit?21:14
vbabiy-laptopHey guys what benefit does glib have in the Compiz configuration. There is a plugin for it. Not sure what it doesn21:15
GoodJobwell, FUCK this then :D21:15
Luckrideroh, ok beatifulsnow21:15
Some_Person!swearing | GoodJob21:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about swearing - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi21:15
Kl4mThis guy is trolling since he's in21:15
Kl4mOn purpose or not21:15
Luckridergood job mneptok21:15
beautifulsnow>_> ip ban :P21:15
Luckriderhe can probly get around it21:16
LuckriderI have done that on another server accidentally21:16
Luckridergot to go21:16
Gninedude didnt see it coming21:16
ecubuntuhey guys someone have linksys router WRT54GXXX?21:16
Some_Personi wish hardy used this theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos21:16
beautifulsnowgrrr mneptok its £ 147.8 per YEAR! :P not per visit :P but that's neat anyway... glad to see it available21:16
beautifulsnowHeh I don't Some_Person21:17
mneptokbeautifulsnow: 1 year or 10 cases, whichever comes first.21:17
ecubuntu?21:17
paynitoI have a Buffer I/O error on device hdc21:18
paynitowhen running21:18
paynitosudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f -y21:18
paynitois there a way to tell it to d/l everything and take the cd out?21:18
Some_Personugh, does ff keep freezing up with anyone else?21:18
beautifulsnowSome_Person:  Lots of people came here asking for FF support after the update. I didn't have a problem w/ it so I'll zip it :x21:18
paynitofailed to fetch cdrom: /patch/patch_2.5.9-4_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch21:19
Gnine!upgrade21:19
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes21:19
Some_Personi used ff3 on gutsy and it never froze, in fact it didnt freeze on hardy until today21:19
beautifulsnowIs there a way I can make my wireless work after dist upgrade...? it's busted so I can't install anything to fix it until I.....  get wireless working :)21:19
Kl4mpaynito: you can use synaptic to remove the cdrom source or remove the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list21:19
paynitothank you21:20
paynitowith nano?21:20
penanyone know what prelinking is in ubuntu?21:20
sukkei have had problems only with ff3 beta 5.21:20
Kl4mpen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink is an article about prelink21:20
ecubuntubeatifulsnow what kind of router u have?21:20
sukkenot with beta 4 I am using in gutsy.21:21
beautifulsnowecubuntu: it doesn't matter, wireless worked fine with gutsy, its just heron broke the entire install21:21
Gnine!wireless | beautifulsnow21:22
ubotubeautifulsnow: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs21:22
doug2266778822_is there a convert x to dvd for heron?21:22
AlanIs ndiswrapper supposed to be in the default Hardy install?21:22
beautifulsnowGnine:  the thing is, how do I know what changed since the dist-upgrade? I didn't do it from  a iso, all I did was the update manager dist upgrade21:23
Alanbecause this is a real pain when you have to guess and pick a load of packages from the net to try and get it working...21:23
Kl4mdoug2266778822_, what is "x" ?21:23
beautifulsnow^ like alan said.21:23
ecubuntuI know beautifulsnow wifi work great in gutsy but in hardy no21:23
paynitoK14m thanks a lot man, this might be something21:23
paynitono, i'm still getting an error on xkb-data~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6_all.deb21:23
doug2266778822_Kl4m: like xvid avi and other formats.21:24
Kl4mpaynito: did you apt-get update recently? maybe a package depends on another one which has been updated21:25
ubuntu-user100hello...! i had everything working alright in hardy. after performing update, my screen resolution dropped to 800 x 600. am using nvidia quadro NVS 140M. ran nvidia-xconfig but did not help. any ideas?21:26
_Rambaldi_can i change what some keys on my keyboard does? ie make my home buttom be backspace as well. i have a small backspace next to home and i keep hitting that instead21:26
\phil\hello! goodbye!21:26
beautifulsnowxD this is amazing... ugh. How did the update-manager -d break my system if it didn't install? It downloaded 4 hours worth of packages, BUT when it went to step 3 or whatever, the one where it actually INSTALLs, it aborted.21:26
Gnineubuntu-user100: try booting up in recovery mode and select 'fix xserver' option21:28
ubuntu-user100gnine: will do21:28
beautifulsnow_Rambaldi_ yes you can, that question however sounds more fit to be  in #ubuntu than #ubuntu+1. just go to.... (im not on ubuntu, don't know from memory) applications>system>preferences>keyboard shortcus21:28
paynitoapt-get update didn't fix it21:28
paynitodpg:error processing /var/cache. . ./xkb-data_1.1~cvs.20080104.1-ubuntu6_all.deb trying to overwrite /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir, which is also in package xkeyboard-config21:28
Gninealso, make sure your menu.lst is up-to-date21:29
Baby_Shambl3splease check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?21:29
_Rambaldi_i asked it there as well beautifulsnow21:29
Baby_Shambl3s*file21:29
beautifulsnowubuntu-user100: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    as root should work too21:29
Gnineits easier my way21:29
beautifulsnowoh ok :D I gotta remember that because I know ill need it soon enough lol21:29
tomd123what does it mean for a bug to be triaged?21:30
beautifulsnowWhat else is in recovery mode btw.... *wink*21:30
blackvdWell so far I've been able to fix all my bugs after upgrading except the one bug I was hoping to be fixed isn't. That's the 30 second login time with gnome. Any clues in here?21:31
Baby_Shambl3splease check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?21:32
tomd123blackvd, check if you have any wierd services,21:33
Gary_inNYCWhen Hardy is officially available, will the apt repos get overwhelmed?  I'm thinking it may be better off for me to wait out the initial wave of people updating21:33
jimcooncathi, where can i find a mini-iso?21:33
jeroen-nosrednaekim: you are 100% right about virtual box; wow what a great app :-)21:33
AlanVirtualBox++21:33
blackvdnothing unusual to me I feel like it must be compiz causing it don't know though21:34
_Rambaldi_beautifulsnow, unfortunately there is a list of actions that can have shortcuts, invidual keys are not on the list21:34
nosrednaekimjeroen-: thats only the -ose too21:34
Baby_Shambl3splease check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?21:34
nosrednaekimjeroen-: the non-ose is even better21:34
jeroen-one problem though, it doesnt install the kernel-module when istalling virtualbox-ose21:34
Gary_inNYCvirtualbox is a nice app, but i never was able to get my zen vision m player to successfully share a usb bus without issues21:34
jeroen-nosrednaekim: well we are in for the open source :-)21:34
AutoMatriXHi folks21:35
dystopianrayvirtualbox is awesome21:35
LuckriderBaby_Shambl3s, try SimDock, it is availible in add/remove, and it is easy to use21:35
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jeroen-and if you install the kernel modele of virtualbox, you have to manually add your self tho the virtualbox group21:35
tomaasjso now what  ?21:36
beautifulsnow_Rambaldi_:  I wonder if this would help... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217091   and   http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html21:36
Le-Chuck_ITAHi there, is this the channel for hardy or for intrepid :)21:37
Le-Chuck_ITA?21:37
beautifulsnowThis is for hardy21:37
tomaasjcurious, upgrading worht it ?21:37
Baby_Shambl3sLuckrider: yeha seen that but not as good its working for me but since its not installed through compile its has an extra folder which i doubt should be there, what i want to know is there any way to stop cairo-dock to stop looking for that or do i have to unninstall and compile it on my system?21:38
beautifulsnowNo, not yet tomaasj21:38
balgarathmight as well wait till final release at this point :)21:38
_Rambaldi_it  just might be it. thanks beautifulsnow21:38
tomaasjwhy not ?21:38
Le-Chuck_ITAbeautifulsnow: will no longer be in a couple of hours :)21:38
beautifulsnowtomaasj:  don't wait until tomorrow, wait until next month :P too many bugs :p21:38
tomaasjok !21:38
LuckriderI am not sure Baby_shambl3s, I have never used Cairo dock as it did not install in my last install of ubuntu21:39
beautifulsnowTrue Le-Chuck_ITA but in that case #ubuntu itself will become support channel for hardy too ;p21:39
jeroen-well a lot lesser bugs than when gutsy arrived21:39
dystopianraykubuntu 8.04 seems to have much less bugs than 7.1021:39
balgarathI have less problems with gutsy->hardy beta than I did with feisty->gutsy21:39
tomaasjdstill problem with wireless for dell inspiron laptop users ?  Like mine !21:39
Le-Chuck_ITAbye all have a nice release21:40
x1250tomaasj: yeah, go for it.21:40
jeroen-another question: how can I see how many resoursed kernel modules are using; in other words does the virtualbox-module as any impact on performance (while not using)?21:40
balgarathtomaasj, which model? I have the 1501, I just had to do a 1-liner to fix it21:40
paynitoxkeyboard depends on xkb-data depends on xkeyboard21:40
paynitoi can't install anything21:40
paynitodpkg --unpack xkb-data21:40
paynitofails trying to write /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir21:40
tomaasjmodel: 640021:40
balgarathtomaasj, ubuntu1501.com has the fix for the wireless21:41
balgarathtomaasj, should work on most dell wireless21:41
tomaasjthanks for info.  Dreading to upgrade, though21:41
balgarathtomaasj, other than that, I had no problems21:41
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tomaasjI'll try soon.21:42
tomaasjoff topic: trying to use gadu-gadu.  Cannot connect.  Why ?21:44
beautifulsnowDoes it give an error message?21:44
tomaasjno.  Simply in red no connection established...21:44
joliverI'm getting GPG errors with apt-get update.  any ideas?21:45
Asa_Ayou too?21:45
joliverInvalid signatures21:45
Asa_AI came here to ask the same thing, I can't authentcat packages from main21:45
joliveryeah, same apt line for me too21:45
joliverI have two machines, one is good, one is broken.  odd21:46
slytherinjoliver: Asa_A: Is it a problem with specific mirror?21:46
joliveryes, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com21:46
paynitoI think this is my bug21:47
paynitohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/21356621:47
paynitoThe following packages have unmet dependencies:21:47
Asa_Aslytherin: idk, I was just about to run updates and it says it can't verify. How should I test?21:47
paynitox-keyboard-config: Depends:xkb-data>=1.1~cvs.2008   but it is not installable21:47
dystopianrayXorg segfaulted when I tried to play a dvd21:47
dystopianrayalthough playing the dvd worked after i logged in again21:47
joliverslytherin: any idea?21:47
melteris there a way to do both autoremove and purge?21:47
unstableSo I just changed everything in my sources.list from "gutsy" to "hardy" and did an apt-get update. What is the best way to upgrade now? "apt-get dist-upgrade" or use update-manager.. or what?21:47
Baby_Shambl3show do i extract a tar.bz2 file?21:48
unstableBaby_Shambl3s: tar xvjf file.tar.bz221:48
slytherinjoliver: yes, don't use that mirror, remove the 'us.' part of it. Asa_A, do the same21:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released]21:48
unstablemelter: apt-get remove --purge package?21:48
joliverslytherin: trying now21:49
unstableslytherin: yea, how can I switch my mirror to something faster, I'm in New York21:49
Kl4m!bug 21356621:49
Baby_Shambl3sunstable: thanx21:49
Kl4mok, doesn't work.21:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21356621:50
Kl4moh it does!21:50
gribouillehi21:50
slytherinunstable: I don't have idea of all the mirrors. There is a page on launchpad which lists all the mirrors and their status. But I don't have the link currently.21:50
melterunstable: thanks, "apt-get autoremove --purge" looks like the right syntax21:51
Asa_Aslytherin: is that the same as switching to "main server" under repository settings in synaptic?21:51
Asa_Aslytherin: thanks, I switched it to "main server" and now I'm only getting the warnings for packages from people's PPAs (I know they aren't signed)21:52
slytherinAsa_A: Can't say, I never managed mirrors from synaptic21:52
Alanhow am i supposed to configure my screen resolutions with an nvidia graphics card?21:52
joliverslytherin: thanks man, that worked21:53
tomd123does the alternate or server cd have the option to install the minimal environment?21:54
slytherintomd123: What do you mean by minimal?21:54
tomd123slytherin: I mean install only the cli21:55
gribouillewhen I type /etc/init.d/networking start, it doesn't work. I have to type dhclient21:55
ssamtomd123, the server one has21:55
joliverslytherin: I appreciate your help21:55
ssamtomd123, not sure about the alternate21:55
jc_dentonthere is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)21:56
slytherintomd123: alternate one has, not sure of server cd21:56
laszlokAlan: do all the resolutions not show up in Sytem->Preferences->Screen Resolution ?21:56
tomd123is there a page where it mentions the differences between the cd versions, alternate, server, desktop?21:56
tomd123minimal21:57
tomd123I couldn't find any21:57
slytherintomd123: Desktop is Live CD + Graphical installer. Alternate is text installer, no live CD, but it installed same packages as Desktop CD. Server installs server specific packages such as lamp stack.21:58
Alanlaszlok, no, i get 480x320 and 640x480 :(21:58
ssamtomd123, anything specific you need to know21:58
laszlokAlan: do you have the nvidia restricted driver installed?21:58
tomd123slytherin: so I guess I will go with the mini.iso, I just want to install the cli and that's it21:58
jorgpis it safe to upgrade to gutsy to hardy today?21:58
Alanlaszlok, yes21:58
jorgpfrom gutsy to hardy21:58
slytherintomd123: mini.iso? never heard about it, where did you get it?21:59
Gnine!install21:59
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate21:59
slytherinjorgp: what do you think might not be safe?21:59
beautifulsnow!automate21:59
tomd123(03:56:11 PM) jc_denton: there is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)21:59
ubotuWays to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning21:59
laszlokAlan: did you upgrade to hardy and maybe there is an old xorg.conf still on your machine?22:00
jorgpslytherin, well, since the release it not tell tomorrow, I was not sure if I should wait or can go ahead and change my sources.list22:00
Alanlaszlok, nope, new install22:00
Alanlaszlok, should i be using the nvidia settings thing to set this up? at the moment, i haven't touched the graphics config in any way since install22:01
Alanapart from installing the restricted driver22:01
slytherinAlan: go to System->Preferences->Main Menu, You should find a tool 'Screens and Graphics' enable it, then launch it from menu, it should help you to generate an xorg.conf file suitable to your hardware.22:01
beautifulsnowis there a way to... install wireless drivers from my gutsy cd... since those worked fine in gutsy?22:01
slytherinbeautifulsnow: which card?22:01
Alanslytherin, i tried that on the beta and it never did anything, but i'll give it another go...22:02
slytherinjorgp: I don't think there will be many changes since now till release.22:02
beautifulsnowUmmm... don't know off the top of my head, but I know that it worked pronto! as soon as I installed gutsy. (goes see what card it is)22:02
laszlokAlan: i had the same issue, but as soon as I installed the restricted driver and restarted, the dialog let me put it up to 1400x105022:02
slytherinAlan: it does save new xorg.conf and then you will have to restart X (Ctrl +Alt +Backspace). Please note that it will also forcefully log you out22:03
beautifulsnowslytherin: intel pro 3945abg22:03
Alanyay, that broke it...22:03
beautifulsnowCan I, slytherin? I always connect online through wirelss, never cable since I don't have a eth cable. so the gutsy cd  has got to have the drivers on them22:04
Cygokuubuntu+1 ?22:04
jbroomeyes22:05
slytherinbeautifulsnow: don't think gutsy drivers wil work. you are the second person telling me that 3945 is broken. See if there is any bug for it.22:05
Alanyay, finally worked :D22:07
beautifulsnowThanks, Ill look online slytherin (found a ubuntuforums thread already, nice!) mmm.. what I don't understand is... hardy didn't really install, me thinks .. I mean.. I did  ... upgrade-manager -d    and it downloaded everything... then as soon as it was going to  installing, it crashed emerald, firefox, and a bunch of others, then it crashed the upgrade manager itself.... so... how did it install ? O.o22:07
laszlokAlan: what did you do to fix it?22:08
slytherinbeautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then 'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. I am assuming you are using ubuntu and not kubuntu or xubuntu22:08
Alanlaszlok, erm, well, xorg died and the configuration thing came up, and i just had to mess with it for a while till it worked correctly22:09
Alanlaszlok, annoying nvidia bug of VGA monitors ALWAYS coming before DVI monitors makes life a little difficult22:10
Alanlaszlok, as in, no matter which i say is the default monitor, it always uses the VGA one22:10
Baby_Shambl3sit works it works... it si alive muahahahahaha :D took freaking long with my newbness but cairo works and is transparent without compiz/beryl hahahaha22:11
laszlokAlan: haha, well if it works, then good job :)22:11
nosrednaekimBaby_Shambl3s: metacity?22:12
_Rambaldi_is there a command to output text to screen not just terminal22:13
Baby_Shambl3snosrednaekim: oh that yeah ive got xcompmgr installed that did :D no long configuration just out of the box22:13
ubuntu-user100beautiful...: remember me, you suggested dpkg-reconfigure... and gnine suggested - fix xserver?22:14
nosrednaekimBaby_Shambl3s: ah ok... so you are running on Xrender?22:14
ubuntu-user100beauti...: dpkg did not work. fix xserver worked.22:14
Alanoooh, does metacity's compositing actually work?22:14
Baby_Shambl3snosrednaekim: o_0 maybe dont crash my happy time after all it took me to get this and find the packages but yeah im sure i am "i think"....22:14
ubuntu-user100beautiful...: how ever when i try to enable visual effects it says - desktop effects could not be enabled22:15
slytherinAlan: yes it does and seems to be faster to me. But it may not work for all.22:15
Alani hope it does work22:15
ubuntu-user100beauti...: earlier compiz was working fine. fyi, i have nvidia quadro NVS 140M22:15
Alanbecause to be completely fair, all 3d-desktop wms suck22:15
slytherinAlan: ok, that is fair enough. :-D22:16
adwhere is the IRC Release Party !!!????22:16
Gnineubuntu-user100: check system>administration>system monitor, you should be using kernel 2.6.24-16 ... if not then you need to update your grub's menu.lst22:17
nosrednaekim#ubuntu-release-party22:17
beautifulsnowmaking cookies, just saw your message: " slytherin: beautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then 'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. " ....thing is, hardy doesn't like  my wireless card when it worked before, so I can't :P22:17
fation_linuXad : #ubuntu-release-party22:17
ubuntu-user100gnine: am using 2.6.24-16-generic22:17
Baby_Shambl3snosrednaekim: I should probably do a tut for this as online info is all outdated the links are all bronken and most are using the old berilous domain which took the longest to find :/22:18
Gninenow check system>administration>hardware drivers and enable whatever nvidia driver is in there22:19
b13when dose it come out??22:19
beautifulsnowTomorrow!22:19
slytherinb13: when it is ready. :-P22:19
b13today is Tomorrow!22:19
venikHow do I upgrade from the network?22:20
beautifulsnow... what?22:20
venikAdept does not offer that option22:20
nosrednaekimBaby_Shambl3s: please do....22:20
b13hmm where do you live?22:20
ubuntu-user100gnine: i don't see any drivers there. i did install restricted thingy earlier.22:20
nosrednaekimnot that I useGNOME ;)22:20
beautifulsnowregardless of where you are, it's tomorrow.22:20
ltracy_Hi.  Has anyone else had problems with wireless after upgrading to Hardy?  My wireless adapter is still present, but I can no longer get it to associate with access points I didn't have a problem with before.  My card is a Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx22:20
korte1975suse rulez!22:20
beautifulsnowYeah ltracy_ ...  mine doenst work anymore either :(22:21
ltracy_oh wait.. that is my wired :)22:21
slytherinkorte1975: is that a breaking news?22:21
b13april 24 0:2122:21
beautifulsnowIm gonna make cookies so I feel better.. :(22:21
Baby_Shambl3snosrednaekimlready thinking about it and it works on hardy with one glitch "probably not a glitch just setting issues" it runs on top which it shouldnt, going through the settings now22:21
_derspanksterI have a strange FF3 problem. FF3 fails to resolve www.dslreports.com.  The site is reachable on other machines on my network.22:21
b13i can't wait any longer22:21
korte1975ubuntu sucks22:21
slytherinb13: upgrade now.22:21
ltracy_beautifulsnow: What kind of card do you have?22:21
Gninemaybe the system needs a reboot, ubuntu-user100 , so the kernel can load the proprietary driver in 'hardware drivers'22:21
beautifulsnowb13. go to  ubuntu.com it says ONE DAY TO GO. in other words. its tomorrow. tomorrow for you, tomorrow for me, and tomorrow for that guy over there picking his nose lol22:22
ltracy_Mine is Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG22:22
slytherin_derspankster: have you tried with any other browser?22:22
Gnineotherwise thats all i could tell about it22:22
histoLots of updates hopefully it fixes a few issues i'm having.  .mov and .mpg lock the system.  And its horribly slow compared to gutsy22:22
b13not on my computer22:22
beautifulsnowltracy_: its wireless intel pro 394522:22
beautifulsnowsame as yours22:22
b13it says comming soon22:22
ltracy_grr22:22
b13soon!22:22
ltracy_beautifulsnow: Maybe it'll be fixed tomorrow ;)22:22
korte1975try opensuse22:23
slytherinhisto: never seen that. what are you using to play them?22:23
beautifulsnowb13 there's a BROWN picture next to the "coming soon" message.22:23
ubuntu-user100gnine: will try rebooting.22:23
beautifulsnowRead what's on it b1322:23
b13i will do a screen shot for you22:23
_derspanksterslytherin: yes, FF2 on this machine running 8.04 cannot resolve it either, nor can Opera22:23
b13brb22:23
beautifulsnowI thought I was blind >_>22:23
beautifulsnowPlease do b13322:23
histoWhatever default movie player is totem22:24
slytherin_derspankster: then I don't think it is Firefox problem22:24
histoThere are tons of problems with my 915 card that still need to be worked out.22:24
beautifulsnowhow the heck am I going to install hardy when hardy itself broke my wireless >_>22:24
Zambezikorte1975: Anything else intelligent on your mind?22:24
b13no, today is the day22:24
_derspanksterslytherin: perhaps not but no other sites seem affected22:24
histobeautifulsnow: i noticed a few updates ago that the settings for my wireless connection were blown out.  Basically it lost the wep key22:24
slytherinhisto: which driver are you using? You can check that from /etc/X11/xorg.conf22:25
ZambeziOh. Did he part or did he get kicked? kortel1975.22:25
beautifulsnowlost your wep key? that's easy to get back isn't it? just go to your router config page22:25
b13http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png22:25
b13http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png22:25
histoslytherin: sure one sec22:25
b13see22:25
beautifulsnowmight need to clear your cache ;)22:25
b13you clear your cache22:26
beautifulsnowI haven't logged on windows for almost a week, and I *just* did, and that image popped out ;p22:26
histoslytherin: there is no driver specified in the new xorg.  just says Configured Video Device22:26
beautifulsnowThe 1 day to go one22:26
b13but when today?22:27
slytherinhisto: Did you upgrade from gutsy or is it new install?22:27
beautifulsnowLike  an hour ago? the thing is I just went to the website :P22:27
histoslytherin: fresh install22:27
slytherinhisto: any sample movie?22:27
histoslytherin: Xorg.conf is completely different.22:27
b13when it is released? what hour?22:28
b13what minute?22:28
beautifulsnowits not known yet >.>22:28
slytherinhisto: can you paste xorg.conf in pastebin.22:28
beautifulsnowits still in development22:28
SportingMe wants it... My precious!!! Ó foda-se...22:28
beautifulsnowEwww sporting sucks22:28
slytherinb13: Why don't you upgrade now. What difference is it going to make?22:28
Prez00for people who upgraded from gutsy to hardy, any special caveats?22:28
b13ok i gonna kill myself22:28
Sporting:D22:28
Gnineyou wont find much in hardy's xorg.conf22:28
b13can't wait22:28
slytherinPrez00: intel 3945 wireless seems to be problematic22:29
beautifulsnowwell nothings stopping you from upgrading. just have to run update-manager  -d22:29
Prez00slytherin: sweet, the one i got, haha!22:29
Sportingyes it does22:29
histoslytherin: yeah one sec22:29
Prez00slytherin: i am assuming it now uses iwl3945 driver isntead of ipw394522:29
beautifulsnowjust doesn't work at all :(22:30
slytherinPrez00: yes it does AFAIK22:30
Prez00slytherin: i have been testing iwl3945 for at least a couple of months, so I guess I can recompile driver and get it to work..22:30
beautifulsnowwhen you do please send it to me and ill send you chocolate chip cookies lol22:30
Prez00if you need to upgrade iwl3945 you need: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download for kernels above 2.6.2422:32
histoslytherin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64141/22:32
BHSPitMonkeyWhat happened to the Secure WebDav option in "Connect to Server"?22:34
ubuntu-user100gnine: it worked finally :-D22:34
ubuntu-user100gnine: i did this - reinstalled restricted package(appropriate version). then the nvidia driver appeared in hardware drivers list. enabled the driver, rebooted, and then enabled visual effects. phew.22:36
jac0bI am trying to adjust my mouse speed but nothing is working22:36
Gninethats all there is to it22:36
ltracy_Prez00: what is that... if I go get a better iwl3945 by wireless will work again?22:36
ltracy_*my22:36
slytherinhisto: Ok. Have you restarted the machine since the upgrade?22:37
ubuntu-user100gnine: i think when i updated the kernel got updated(or some thing like that), and then the restricted package was not properly linked to the kernel. what do you think?22:37
Gnineyup22:37
ubuntu-user100gnine, beautful... : thanks22:38
RichWHello, My Router sees my laptop hostname as RICHIE-LAPTOP but i cannot ping the host name under the terminal.. although the IP adress works... but thats not the point!22:39
RichWCan anyone help me?22:39
dvsall of my music, pics etc... are on my windows partition.  how do i have it automatically mount when i login?22:39
histoslytherin: i'm installing new updates now to bring it to current.22:39
histoslytherin: then i'll restart if you want.22:39
RichWdvs: Does it have to automatically mount... would "Mount when you access it" be ok?22:40
slytherinhisto: what I meant to say, I am not sure if currently you are using the new default driver for intel cards. So see if you still have problem after restart.22:40
dvsRichW: that's what it does now22:41
histoslytherin: did they recently update the driver?22:41
histoslytherin: I see they updated the kernel22:41
RichWdvs: Assuming you want a friendly GUI way, Im not aware of any.. although someone else may.. try some googling too.22:41
RichWdvs: If you dont mind being techincal.. you can modify /etc/fstab but be careful!22:42
slytherinhisto: When did you actually upgrade to hardy?22:43
histoslytherin: it was a fresh install I believe right before it went beta22:43
slytherinhisto: I think there has been driver update after that, but I will have to check.22:44
histoslytherin: Can't remember i've been so busy at work.  I always test on this laptop.  And like I say i've noticed a HUGE speed difference and video problems.  Especially FF3 scrolling.22:44
histoslytherin: still installing updates22:44
dvsi don't even know what fstab is, i prolly shouldn't edit it22:45
Gnine!fstab22:45
ubotuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions22:45
tretlewhat timezone is the hardy countdown referring to?22:47
AnswerGuydvs: it's a text file stored in /etc/ which describes the device, mount point, filesystem type, and mount options of each filesystem -- and it a couple other fields which are described in chapter 5 of the system man (manual) pages22:47
AnswerGuyAnd, if you don't understand it, then editing it could be rather inconvenient; you could end up unable to reboot the system --- which would be booting from your rescue disc and fixing it.22:48
dvsit doesn't look real hard,  i just have to get the appropriate names for the variables...22:48
AnswerGuytretle: I was wondering something like that, too.  At what time will the official ISO images be released?  Will the tell us if today's rc is identical to the release?22:49
dvshttp://moourl.com/gc8iv is what i was looking at22:49
AnswerGuydvs: it isn't difficult at all, for UNIX/Linux sysadmins; but stupid little assumptions can bite you.22:50
axion +22:50
dvsi think i'll let it go til i get betterz at teh compewterz22:51
b13ok i killed myself... now waiting again...22:51
slytherinWhere is the countdown? It should be easy to tell which timezone it refers to22:52
AnswerGuydvs: feel free to post your intended fstab to one of those paste servers and ask us to look it over22:52
b13dunno22:52
slytherintretle: where is the countdown?22:53
beautifulsnowOH HAI, what time of what timezone and what date in that timezone will hardy be released? I don't understand what "tomorrow" means.22:53
SammIndustriebeautiful snow - you beat me to the question :p22:53
beautifulsnowPeople keep asking maybe every 5 minutes :p22:53
AnswerGuyGenerally it's reasonably safe if you make a copy, edit your fstab with a proper text editor (vi, nano, nedit) ... NOT a word processor, and if you use that new entry to perform a test mount (using the command shell)22:53
mib_pc817cim having issues with my wifi droping in and out22:53
slytherincan anyone point me to countdown?22:53
AnswerGuySo, if I create a new entry like:22:53
crimsun/topic Sorry, you're all late.  Ubuntu 8.04 released two weeks ago.22:53
mib_pc817cwusb54gv4 and the router is 54gs22:53
b13tomorrow means today. war means peace22:53
SammIndustriepffft22:54
mib_pc817cthe connection keeps falling out22:54
AnswerGuy  /dev/sdc1       /mnt/thumb       ext3      noatime      0 022:54
AnswerGuy... and I then issue the command: sudo mount /mnt/thumb22:54
mib_pc817cit connects but the connection is very week and it drops out22:54
mib_pc817ccan anyone help me22:54
BHSPitMonkeyWebDAV support seems broken in Hardy, via Nautilus22:54
beautifulsnowisn't hardys new kernel supposed to access drives in realtime..?22:54
AnswerGuyIf that works then I can be reasonably sure that the entry is correct; and if I didn't mess with any lines in the file than I should be fine.22:55
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/18822622:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]22:55
crimsunbeautifulsnow: as opposed to...?22:55
* AnswerGuy teaches sysadmin classes, BTW22:55
beautifulsnowmib_pc817c:  if no one responds its most likely because they don't know, try another time or stay tuned for an answer. sorry :(22:55
Alanhow do i know if something is using pulseaudio?22:55
DanaGMy bug there: lovely bug.22:56
DanaGVunderful -- it also causes stuttery audio.22:56
slytherinAlan: it depends on what that 'something' is22:56
SammIndustrieanybody finetuned VIA graphics to allow desktop effects?22:56
RAOFSammIndustrie: I'm pretty sure the drivers just don't support enough features to make that work.22:56
AnswerGuybeautifulsnow: your statement doesn't really work:  kernels don't "access drives" (in real-time or otherwise).22:57
Alanslytherin, sorry, i mean "anything"22:57
AnswerGuykernels *provide* the drivers through which drives are accessed.  And they read the partition tables from them to perform the mapping of partitions to devices22:57
AlanI'm running MPD without an explicitly configured sound output22:58
SammIndustrieRAOF - in gutsy i managed to do it, but i can't remember when. this graphics card supported vista glass, so it shouldn't be a problem!22:58
DanaGI want that damn scheduler FIXED!22:58
DanaGArgh.22:58
AlanI basically want to see if i'm having any of the fabled sound issues....22:58
DanaGOr at least ADDRESSED in some way.22:58
AnswerGuyWhen you hotplug devices (drives or other stuff like mice) then there are kernel drivers which spawn off processes to run the hotplug utilities --- and those then call back through the kernel (via system calls)22:58
slytherinAlan: MPD doesn't seem to be using pulseaudio22:58
Alanslytherin, fair enough, would explain why i don't get stuttery audio then :P22:59
AnswerGuy... which accesses drives (possibly triggering the loading of kernel modules and other stuff)22:59
Alanslytherin, how about xine-ui?22:59
slytherinDanaG: shouting here is not gonna help, file a bug22:59
DanaGIt IS a bug!22:59
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/18822622:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]22:59
kingvso 804 comes out tonight at midnight us central time??23:00
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slytherinAlan: not sure, have not used xine in long time. All the gstreamer apps should be using pulseaudio by default.23:00
AnswerGuyBut that's been true since long before hardy.  Hardy probably has refined the scripts and configuration for a wider variety of USB, firewire, camera, fibre channel and other hot-pluggable devices.23:00
pat_Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/23:00
beautifulsnowcrimsun: read online (forgot where, im not on my computer ATM) that the new kernel accesses the harddrive on demand, instead of "ok I want this song" *writes I want this song*...*realizes the computer is asking for the song* *gets song* but I don't kniow how to explain, im not a computer person :) Just read it online on a interview *shrug* O.o23:00
jac0bwhy doesn´t hary have xmms23:00
slytherinDanaG: ask on #ubuntu-devel23:00
jac0bhardy*23:00
Alanslytherin, well, then, looks like my choice of apps will shield me from the problem23:00
Alanyay!23:00
slytherinjac0b: it is there in universe repository23:01
crimsunDanaG: be careful.  That bug isn't really a bug.23:01
slytherinjac0b: opps, it doesn't seem to be there23:01
Rynorwhy do people still use xmms.. it's so old23:01
Rynortry audacious instead23:01
crimsunDanaG: enabling that option just happens to /mask/ the real bug23:01
jac0bor audaicious23:01
Prez00ltracy_: sorry, was't looking, it's just newest drivers fro intel 3945 wireless, someone was mentioning they were kinda troublesome on Hardy... so just in case, you can try those...23:02
slytherinjac0b: audacious is there23:02
jac0byea I am installing it now23:02
Sergeant_Ponyanyone having an issue with hibernate etc... on 2.6.24-15-generic (#1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008) this kernel?23:02
jac0bdo you any of you know why my mouse is sooooo slowwww23:03
crimsunDanaG: the real bug is referenced here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa799023:03
kingvdoes anyone know when is the 8.04 supposed to come out? central midnight +6 US?23:03
LunksSuddenly my WLAN doesn't show up anymore in network manager when I click on it23:03
LunksSo I'm figuring out how to set up WPA using WPA_supplicant23:03
slytherinjac0b: why don't you like rhythmbox?23:04
LunksBut what might have happened for it to just dissapear?23:04
ptn107kingv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76339423:04
slytherinLunks: was it configured manually previously?23:04
jac0bslytherin: its okay I prefer amarok23:04
Lunksslytherin: not sure23:04
pat_Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/23:04
jac0bbut audcious is quicker23:05
slytherinkingv: do you a know where there is a countdown? I would like to stop all these questions but I don't know which countdown people are referring to.23:05
kingvptn107, thanks23:05
NukeSkyjumperanyone get sound working in wine in hardy?23:05
kingvslytherin, i23:05
kingvslytherin, im just looking at the main site. just not sure of exact time :S23:06
slytherinLunks: check in System -> Administration -> Network. See if roaming mode is enabled for your wireless card23:06
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: pasuspender -- wine foo.exe23:06
RAOFSammIndustrie: Really?  Hm.  Maybe you can run Xgl on your VIA card?23:06
kingvslytherin, unfortunately nobody know the time.23:07
Lunksslytherin: yeah, it's set to roam23:07
slytherinLunks: which card is it?23:07
crimsunAlan: libxine is configured to try PulseAudio first then fall back to ALSA gracefully.23:07
Lunksslytherin: b4323:08
LunksWireless works23:08
slytherinSergeant_Pony: you should upgrade your system23:08
LunksBut it's not so simple to configure things as WPA PSK =\23:08
crimsunLunks: meaning with interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf?  Sure it is.23:08
Sergeant_Ponyslytherin I did this morning...23:09
quittt why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted????23:09
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: still can't get any audio in winecfg's audio test with any of the 3 drivers23:09
Lunkscrimsun: not sure what you're saying but yes, it's working with other things, it's just Network Manager that's broken.23:09
slytherinLunks: I am surprised, for my card, NM automatically showed me the dialog for pass-phrase.23:09
jac0bhow do you make natilus open to a specfic folder23:09
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: is wine configured to use oss or alsa?23:09
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: doesn't matter, doesn't work with either23:09
NukeSkyjumper(in winecfg's audio tab)23:10
slytherinjac0b: what do you mean?23:10
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*23:10
Prefixhow do i set panel programs shortcuts to open files when i drag on onto it?23:10
Lunksslytherin: When you click it on the tray, it shows up 'Wireless Networks' and a list, also some options like 'Create a new wireless network' and such23:10
LunksI don't have this on mine anymore. =\23:10
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: just pulseaudio and the gnome mixer23:10
slytherinLunks: is  it now showing any network?23:10
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: i can cat files to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio just fine23:10
Lunksslytherin: Just 'manual network'23:10
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: if you can, then it's definitely a wine issue.23:11
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Lunksslytherin: I right click it and there's no "Enable Wireless", which should have.23:11
jac0bslytherin: well my shortcuts don work23:11
slytherinLunks: have you recently upgraded to hardy? and have you restarted after that? Also are you sure the firmware for your card is loaded?23:11
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: you can rule out pulseaudio definitely if you pkill pulseaudio23:11
Prefixwhats the thing i stick after making a lancher for a program that means i can like drag stuff onto it and it opens with that program?23:11
* NukeSkyjumper tries23:11
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: however, pasuspender -- foo is the recommended method.23:11
slytherinjac0b: which shortcuts?23:11
dwidmannWith nfs, if you export say, /nfs/blah, on the guest machine could you mount something like say, /nfs/blah/bleh even the /nfs/blah/bleh wasn't explicitly exported and /nfs/blah was?23:12
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: yeah, no sound at all even without pulseaudio running23:12
slytherinPrefix: I think the command of program should be something like 'command %u'. May not work with all programs23:12
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: right, time to troubleshoot your wine config23:13
Lunksslytherin: Wireless works, I use Hardy for like a month now.23:13
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: just as a sanity-check, make sure you haven't muted the appropriate mixer element(s)23:13
jac0bslytherin: I made a shortcut to my storage drive in my top bar but now it doesn work23:13
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NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: winecfg is returning "audio test failed"23:14
Lunksslytherin: And yes, I'm sure I've got firmware set for my wireless card; If I hadn't it would not work23:14
slytherinjac0b: can't help much.23:14
slytherinLunks: Right. Might be good to file a bug. But make sure you specify which card exactly. b43 is driver name.23:14
LunksBCM4311 it'd be. :)23:15
Alancrimsun, shame :(23:15
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: I don't use wine, so I'm of no use there.  If audio works otherwise, that's what I care about.23:15
crimsunAlan: why shame?23:15
Lunksslytherin: I believe I'll just wait for Hardy release, download it, burn and reinstall. :P23:15
slytherinLunks: ahh then it might be problem. Don't think 4311 has full support.23:15
Alancrimsun, because of the fact pulseaudio appears to make a mess of sound, so i'll have to find a way to not use it?23:16
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: thanks anyway23:16
slytherinLunks: or it is possible that the firmware has been changed since you last downloaded it.23:16
Lunksslytherin: It was working fine. It works fine. B43 supports 4311.23:16
crimsunAlan: it doesn't make a mess of sound.  It works wonderfully for apps that support it natively.  What is a "mess" are the apps that /don't/.23:16
Alancrimsun, so that's the root of the stuttering sound?23:17
Lunksslytherin: If it changed, wireless wouldn't work at all. My problem is not with my wireless connection, it's with network manager.23:17
crimsunthe stuttering sound is a scheduler issue.  I gave DanaG the URL above.23:17
slytherinLunks: Ok. I am out of ideas. :-P23:17
Lunksslytherin: Maybe I could do a dpkg-reconfigure, but I'm not so sure which package I should do it.23:17
crimsunAlan: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa799023:17
Alancrimsun, either way, looks like ubuntu is being shipped with an "impaired user experience" :(23:18
Alancrimsun, so we'll have to wait till 8.10 to see this disappear? or is the patch going to get backported?23:18
NukeSkyjumperanyone know how to start pulseaudio manually? "/etc/init.d/pulseaudio start" doesn't do it23:19
Kill_Xanyone got a hint which plugin brasero needs to write to DVD-RAM ?23:19
LunksHmm going to try some stuff. :D23:19
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: we don't use the system-wide daemon by default.  It's started via esd compatibility in GNOME session.23:19
crimsunAlan: I don't know; that's not my decision.23:19
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: ah. is there a command to do so?23:19
crimsunesd&, pulseaudio -vv&, etc.23:20
NukeSkyjumperthanks23:20
Alancrimsun, fair enough - thanks for the info btw, nice to understand what's going wrong :)23:20
* slytherin time to hit bed23:20
crimsunAlan: trust me, it's much more complicated, but that's essentially it.23:20
crimsunI would love to be able to ship a proper PulseAudio config, but we have too many support issues as-is.23:21
Alancrimsun, I realise, but i mean that it's a kernel bug which has been noted and "fixed"23:21
Alanrather than pulseaudio itself23:21
AlanI guess it only manifests itself noticably in an inherently real-time application23:22
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crimsunit manifests itself in just about any situation with multiple GUI apps.23:22
edugonchhello, I need to change the resolution in my 8.04 system, but in xorg.conf I can't find it, is there a new file to change this? I need to do it manually23:22
edugonchthanks23:22
NukeSkyjumpercrimsun: FYI, sound was likely working in wine all along. the "audio test" in winecfg was broken23:22
crimsunNukeSkyjumper: good.23:22
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peeps[work]the new browser start page looks SO MUCH better23:27
peeps[work]http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/23:27
thebighami hate firefox 323:27
thebighamhow can i install firefox 223:27
thebighamand get rid of firefox 323:28
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peeps[work]thebigham, apt-get install firefox-223:29
TheInfinitythebigham: uninstall old ff and install ff-2?23:29
peeps[work]I personally you can have them both installed simultaneously23:29
peeps[work]doesn't hurt anything23:29
ethana2i can't use ff223:30
ethana2I just can't stand it anymore23:30
ethana2ff3 FTW23:30
TheInfinityopera ftw *run away* ;)23:30
ethana2heh23:30
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ethana2good luck running that on the PS3.23:30
peeps[work]well, the fact is ff3 is still beta, so IMO it really shouldn't be the default23:30
ethana2hmmmm23:31
ethana2peeps, we have unity now23:31
TheInfinitypeeps[work]: its because of LTS23:31
ethana2if we go let fedora and suse stomp us all over23:31
ethana2we may loose that23:31
slackd00dff3b5 works great for me. i dont mind it being default23:32
peeps[work]i do web development, so I gotta test in ff2, and we don't officially support ff3, so I don't really use it at all23:32
peeps[work]i don't really have any point to make, just sayin23:32
slackd00dgotcha23:32
crimsunthat's why ff2 is still supported.23:32
SmileyChrisI got asked to restart firefox by the OS after today's updates, but it's still b5... i was a bit confused23:33
ISS_StudentI installed the beta of 8.04 and my sound worked fine then I did all the updates and sound stopped working. I just downloaded the RC iso does anybody know if there were issues with sound23:33
crimsunsigh23:33
crimsunthere are a TON of issues with sound.23:33
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DanaGAArgh23:33
DanaGI'm getting pissed off at my school's login agent.23:33
crimsunjust simulate the upgrade and let us know.23:33
peeps[work]last i checked, ff3 had some issues with svg23:33
DanaGIt's dropping me, without notice, every 15 minutes or so.23:33
respiderthere will be a 8.04 and a 8.04 LTS or its the same?23:34
peeps[work]same23:35
crimsunrespider: depends what you install.23:35
DanaGSo, I have NO idea whatsoever what things I've said that people have heard.23:35
CataKlysmiCAnticipation dammit23:35
DanaGAnd I have no idea what things OTHERS have said, that I've missed.23:35
crimsunDanaG: eh, nothing important.  I gave you a URL, that's about it.23:35
crimsunDanaG: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa799023:35
crimsunDanaG: that's the /real/ issue, not the enabling of CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED23:36
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thebighami got sound issues too23:36
thebighami can barely hear anything on max volume23:36
peeps[work]hehe, misleading headline: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop23:37
crimsunpeeps[work]: Ubuntu 8.04 /is/ LTS.23:37
crimsunpeeps[work]: Kubuntu is not, neither is Xubuntu.  Nor Ubuntu Studio.  Nor mythbuntu.23:37
peeps[work]crimsun, i know that.  i meant the fact that the headline says it has been released already23:38
CataKlysmiCI have a very sincere questen to ask, any developers around?23:38
crimsunCataKlysmiC: of..?23:38
crimsunpeeps[work]: sure, it's misleading.23:38
CataKlysmiCDoes ubuntu equal 4223:39
quaddiis this the right place to ask for some ufw help?23:39
beautifulsnowYeah go ahead and ask quaddi23:40
Dh08Hi, i am looking for a good burning software for Hardy, mainly to burn DVDs, ISOS, and data cd/dvd.?23:40
crimsunquaddi: no, you should use answers.launchpad.net for ufw.23:40
crimsunI would say bug jd.... but he'd probably kill me.23:40
beautifulsnowUmmm doesn't Brasero do that dh08?23:40
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dassoukiwhat time is the release expected ? I'd like to get it before my flight tomorrow morning haha23:41
interawiDh08: I believe hardy comes with new burning software to replace nautilus for cd burning23:41
beautifulsnowI woudlnt do that dassouki, if you get it, install it, and its buggy, then you have your flight, you're gonna be in for some trouble :p23:41
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dassoukibeautifulsnow, good point :D and hopefully the dual screen is better on hardy. i'm just suffering with gutsy :(23:42
quaddiim trying to open a game port to host games, i used ufw allow **port number***, ufw status tells me its allowed anywhere, but namp tells me its closed, and I still cant host games23:42
Dh08 Brasero does do it ; is it the the most effective one?23:42
DarphBoboDh08, Applications> sound & video > Brasero Disc Burning23:42
beautifulsnowMeh, I've never had any problems with Brarsero and I use it for a lot of different stuff. I don't know if it's the best though23:43
DarphBoboDh08, you can also try k3b23:43
crimsunquaddi: got a home "router"?23:43
quaddiyes and the ports are correctly forwarded23:43
Dh08ok, thank you DarphBobo...:-)23:44
crimsunquaddi: verify that you can telnet localhost port23:44
strtokanyone know why when i execute "jarsigner" i get a list of packages that support jarsigner, even though i've already installed sun-java5-jdk?23:44
quaddinc fails at the port i need23:45
crimsunquaddi: what's the default policy?23:45
quaddiallow23:45
Sajuukkharhey guys just updated to hardy23:46
Sajuukkharbut now there is something wrong with my Xorg.conf file23:47
crimsunquaddi: did you troubleshoot with `sudo iptables -nL'?23:48
quaddino i ahve not23:48
quaddi*have23:48
strtokupdate-alternatives for java is broken i think23:48
quaddihow do I interpret this?23:49
Seveasstrtok, update-java-alternatives :)23:49
strtokno way23:49
strtok:P23:49
crimsunquaddi: well, where does your rule appear?23:50
strtokhrm23:50
strtokSeveas: that didn't set it for jarsigner23:50
strtokls -al javac23:51
strtoker23:51
strtokor javac23:51
strtokthey both still point to java-gcj23:51
quaddiits there, but Im not certain if it requires a source and destination (tcp and udp are accounted for)23:51
strtokupdate-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac23:51
strtokupdate-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/jarsigner23:52
strtoksorry for double liner23:52
crimsunquaddi: it doesn't require one.  If the host is omitted, it defaults to "this host".23:53
quaddithen it seem my rule is accurate23:53
quaddibut the port is still not open23:53
Sajuukkharok heres my probelm, hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver23:55
LogicalDashI had Gutsy set up to launch "alltray thunderbird -na" on startup, thus starting thunderbird but keeping it in the systray. The same thing on Hardy fails to act *on Thunderbird* half the time, instead giving me a generic Alltray icon that does nothing; otherwise, it does give me the Thunderbird icon, but Thunderbird also starts in a visible window, which sort of defeats the purpose. Is there anything I can do about this?23:56
crimsunquaddi: have you checked /var/log/syslog for the ufw message(s)?23:56
NukeSkyjumpersince upgrading to hardy, the gnome sensors applet doesn't display any of the libsensors data23:56
NukeSkyjumperbut does display the nvidia and hddtemp ones23:56
soldierubuntu 8.04 coming soon.23:57
CataKlysmiCanyone know at what time the announcement is going to be for the dvd releases23:57
soldierwhen ???23:57
Sajuukkharanyone?23:57
LogicalDashLONDON, April 21, 2008 – Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April. In related news, Canonical also announced the simultaneous release of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition.23:57
LogicalDashhttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop23:57
Sajuukkharcan someone tell what I can do with this error :hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver23:58
Prez00Ans there they are, I am looking at several mirrors being updated as we speak to Release version23:58
zeroneI have msn running, but programs don't flash bright enough on the bottem task bar.. is there a way to increase the brightness of the programs assistance?23:58
quaddicrimsum: seems that there are several ufw messages, but they detail hardware addresses and such, and I cant decipher what its meaning is23:58
Prez00just kidding....23:58
jac0bhow can I adjust my mouse speed23:59

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