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* Hobbsee beats the compiz devs with a big stick04:57
Hobbseei would appreciate it if the latest changes didn't cause all my apps to freeze!04:58
manchickenHobbsee: Howdy.05:19
Hobbseeheya manchicken!05:21
manchickenHobbsee: How goes?05:53
Hobbseemanchicken: well, i moved to the dark side fully yesterday, which was fun.05:53
manchickenWhich dark side?05:53
Hobbseethe one without kde in it05:54
manchickenThe GNOME side?05:54
Hobbseeyeah05:54
manchickenI'm digging the GNOME side.05:54
Hobbseeoh, hmm, i'm using mvo's compiz now, aren't i?05:54
manchickenI love the KDE community... but I dig the standardized Ubuntu GNOME.05:55
Hobbseeand how options are all in the same place?  yeah05:55
Hobbseestill gets me between an ubuntu and a windows firefox, though05:55
manchickenI haven't used windows in more than 2 years.05:59
manchickenI've had my in-laws try to get me to help them with their windows boxes, I don't even bother anymore.06:00
* ajmitch wonders what's so dark abotu this side06:02
Hobbseemanchicken: i think the uni'd kill me if i suddenly started switching the workstations to ubuntu there06:03
manchickenheh06:03
manchickenajmitch: Novell :)06:04
ajmitchwhat about them?06:04
manchickenYou asked what's so dark, Novell is :)06:04
* manchicken trolls lightly.06:04
dholbachgood morning06:20
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seb128hey mvo09:22
mvohey seb128!09:23
seb128mvo: so they fixed your dsl yesterday? ;-)09:23
mvoseb128: yeah, came back (by magic) ~3h later09:23
mvoseb128: today a technican was at my place to check everything but he said all was fine (and claimed nothing was wrong on their side)09:24
mvoI will keep a eye on it09:24
seb128they always claim nothing is wrong on their side09:25
doug2266778822 im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?09:39
seb128doug2266778822: try #ubuntu for user questions09:41
doug2266778822seb128:  i have asked for the last hour no one seems to wanting to help me09:41
seb128doug2266778822: try http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu then maybe, this channel is one for user questions09:42
crevettehey ubuntu's looking for an GNOME Maintainer10:42
pitticrevette: you happen to know one by any chance? :-P10:45
crevettethere are good at least here10:46
* crevette should stop opening dup bugs10:46
crevettepitti, I'm sure a lot of people are interested with, but unfortunately I don't know one personnaly10:49
crevettes/are/is/10:49
Hobbseecrevette: don't be fooled, tehy just want to run them into the ground.10:53
Hobbseewhat happens to seb128, then?  or do they comaintain?10:53
crevetteHobbsee, :)10:53
seb128Hobbsee: want to comaintain GNOME with me? :-p10:54
dholbachseb128 will be able to relax a bit and take it easy :)10:54
Hobbseeseb128: now, while i'm tempted.....10:55
crevetteSounds fun10:55
mvo_Hobbsee: seb128 will move to wbuntu (windowmaker ubuntu - he runs that anyway)10:55
Hobbseemvo_: ahhhhh....10:55
seb128mvo_: ;-)10:55
Hobbseeseb128: i wouldn't midn doing that - if i actually knew gnome, etc.10:55
crevetteah I thought he was using screenubuntu10:56
* mvo_ hugs seb12810:56
* dholbach hugs seb12810:56
* Hobbsee --> dinner10:56
seb128Hobbsee: time to start learning about it then, maybe in some months you will be ready ;-)10:56
crevetteHobbsee, actually nobody knows wht is gnome10:56
seb128Hobbsee: enjoy your dinner10:56
crevetteexcept this is people10:56
* seb128 hugs dholbach mvo10:56
njpatelhmm, I just updated and now only root can play audio :-/10:56
crevetteseb128, I've received svn account \./10:57
njpateloh, and morning :-)10:57
crevettenjpatel, not GNOME10:57
crevettebash pulseaudio10:57
crevette:)10:57
njpatelcrevette: gnome :-)10:57
njpatelcrevette: is there a fix for it?10:57
crevetteactually I don't really know, I hasd problem when while 2 users where connected, the 2nd didn't had sound10:59
njpatelwell, running pulseaudio as root seems to let normal apps work, which okay for now i guess11:00
seb128you should not have to workaround bugs this way11:03
seb128try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe, and give details on what you updated, etc11:03
njpatelseb128: sure, i'm just trying to see if theres a bug filed first. I needed to get it working asap as I can't hack without music :-)11:08
crevettenjpatel, are you sure you're in audio group ?11:12
crevettejust a dumb thought, I'm not using ubuntu right now11:12
njpatelcrevette: I just added myself, and now it works again11:12
crevetteahhahaha11:12
crevette:)11:12
crevette$11:12
njpatelit was wokring before the update...i wonder what happened11:13
seb128what update did you do?11:14
seb128dapper to hardy?11:14
njpatelseb128: nope, was already on hardy, it was just a normal update (about 30 packages)11:16
seb128weird then11:16
Hobbseeseb128: yeah, maybe.  i should be finished university by then.  Actually, i was thinking of doing that this release cycle, and stepping away from MOTU12:29
Hobbseecrevette: oh?12:29
Hobbseeseb128: besides, canonical wouldn't hire me - have caused too much trouble wiht MOTU, etc.12:29
Hobbseeseb128: either way, i'm interested, if i find time somewhere in there.  i'ts on the very long to-do list12:31
AmaranthHobbsee: Hehe12:31
Hobbseemvo: i don't know about your compiz change, btw....12:32
AmaranthWell, on one hand I don't want to think that is true but on the other hand I applied for that position so.... :)12:32
HobbseeAmaranth: heh12:32
mvoHobbsee: hm?12:33
Hobbseemvo: a few of my apps (pidgin x1, firefox x many) keep going dark, sometimes not recovering.12:34
AmaranthHobbsee: did they freeze?12:34
Amaranthnothing in that part of the code has changed12:34
HobbseeAmaranth: er, yes.  isn't going dark usually freezing?12:35
Amaranthwell, some people used to complain about firefox going dark and not actually freezing12:36
Amaranthwhich i think was a ff2 bug with it not responding to pings anymore12:36
crevetteHobbsee, why "ho ?"12:49
Hobbseecrevette: as in, "what do you mean?"12:50
HobbseeAmaranth: ah right.12:51
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seb128mpt: hey13:46
mpthi seb12813:47
seb128mpt: do you know if there is a launchpad bug about the counts of bugs being different when changing the sorting option?13:48
mptseb128, yes, and yes13:49
seb128ok, I can't find it, must be using the wrong keywords13:49
mptbug 14890113:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148901 in malone "fewer bugs listed when sorting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14890113:49
seb128sorting by recently open is nice for triaging13:49
mptIt's the #1 result when I search for "sort"13:49
seb128but if it's dropping bugs on the way that defeat the purpose13:50
seb128I searched for number and count ...13:50
seb128thanks!13:50
mptnp13:50
seb128how can this bug be open for 6 months and being ignored13:51
mvowhich one?13:51
seb128mvo: bug #14890113:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 148901 in malone "fewer bugs listed when sorting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14890113:51
mvoheh :)13:52
seb128mvo: when you sort bugs there is some removed of the list13:52
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mvoI always wondered by the numbers are different then13:52
seb128which means we might be ignoring important issues13:52
mvo(when i sorted e.g. update-manager reports)13:52
mvoright13:52
seb128what I'm wondering is which bugs it's removing13:52
seb128because it that's incomplete ones that ok, but if it removes valid bugs it's really broken13:52
mvoagreed, maybe #launchpad knows?13:53
seb128mpt: do you know what is the best way to get that escalated so the launchpad team might consider it for 2.0?13:53
seb128or whatever the next version is called13:54
mptThe next version is called 1.2.413:54
seb128ok13:54
seb128so to get it consider for 1.2.4 or 1.2.5 ;-)13:54
mptand the best way is probably to talk with the Launchpad managers (kiko, SteveA, and Rinchen)13:54
seb128ok, thanks13:55
seb128mvo: around?14:56
mvoyes14:58
seb128mvo: could you look at bug #220761? it seems to run several time the update-manager postinst and hit segfaults14:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220761 in evolution "package evolution-common 2.22.1-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22076114:58
mvolooking14:58
mvoseb128: happens in a bunch of packages, I suspect its either a HW problem (bad ram) or the scrollkeeper-update bug we talked aobut the other day15:00
mvoI mark it a duplicate of #220762 fo rnow15:01
seb128mvo: how come it doesn't write what binary is segfaulting btw?15:01
seb128mvo: thanks15:01
seb128bug #22076215:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 220762 in ubuntu-docs "package ubuntu-docs 8.04.2~hardy failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22076215:01
mvoyeah, I was wondering about that too15:01
mvono idea right now15:01
seb128ok15:02
mvo(sorry)15:02
seb128(no need to)15:05
mvoheh :)15:13
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crevettehello17:40
cody-somervilleHi17:41
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