[04:57]  * Hobbsee beats the compiz devs with a big stick
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i would appreciate it if the latest changes didn't cause all my apps to freeze!
[05:19] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Howdy.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken!
[05:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: How goes?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, i moved to the dark side fully yesterday, which was fun.
[05:53] <manchicken> Which dark side?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> the one without kde in it
[05:54] <manchicken> The GNOME side?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:54] <manchicken> I'm digging the GNOME side.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, i'm using mvo's compiz now, aren't i?
[05:55] <manchicken> I love the KDE community... but I dig the standardized Ubuntu GNOME.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> and how options are all in the same place?  yeah
[05:55] <Hobbsee> still gets me between an ubuntu and a windows firefox, though
[05:59] <manchicken> I haven't used windows in more than 2 years.
[06:00] <manchicken> I've had my in-laws try to get me to help them with their windows boxes, I don't even bother anymore.
[06:02]  * ajmitch wonders what's so dark abotu this side
[06:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i think the uni'd kill me if i suddenly started switching the workstations to ubuntu there
[06:03] <manchicken> heh
[06:04] <manchicken> ajmitch: Novell :)
[06:04] <ajmitch> what about them?
[06:04] <manchicken> You asked what's so dark, Novell is :)
[06:04]  * manchicken trolls lightly.
[06:20] <dholbach> good morning
[09:22] <seb128> hey mvo
[09:23] <mvo> hey seb128!
[09:23] <seb128> mvo: so they fixed your dsl yesterday? ;-)
[09:23] <mvo> seb128: yeah, came back (by magic) ~3h later
[09:24] <mvo> seb128: today a technican was at my place to check everything but he said all was fine (and claimed nothing was wrong on their side)
[09:24] <mvo> I will keep a eye on it
[09:25] <seb128> they always claim nothing is wrong on their side
[09:39] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:41] <seb128> doug2266778822: try #ubuntu for user questions
[09:41] <doug2266778822> seb128:  i have asked for the last hour no one seems to wanting to help me
[09:42] <seb128> doug2266778822: try http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu then maybe, this channel is one for user questions
[10:42] <crevette> hey ubuntu's looking for an GNOME Maintainer
[10:45] <pitti> crevette: you happen to know one by any chance? :-P
[10:46] <crevette> there are good at least here
[10:46]  * crevette should stop opening dup bugs
[10:49] <crevette> pitti, I'm sure a lot of people are interested with, but unfortunately I don't know one personnaly
[10:49] <crevette> s/are/is/
[10:53] <Hobbsee> crevette: don't be fooled, tehy just want to run them into the ground.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> what happens to seb128, then?  or do they comaintain?
[10:53] <crevette> Hobbsee, :)
[10:54] <seb128> Hobbsee: want to comaintain GNOME with me? :-p
[10:54] <dholbach> seb128 will be able to relax a bit and take it easy :)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> seb128: now, while i'm tempted.....
[10:55] <crevette> Sounds fun
[10:55] <mvo_> Hobbsee: seb128 will move to wbuntu (windowmaker ubuntu - he runs that anyway)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> mvo_: ahhhhh....
[10:55] <seb128> mvo_: ;-)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> seb128: i wouldn't midn doing that - if i actually knew gnome, etc.
[10:56] <crevette> ah I thought he was using screenubuntu
[10:56]  * mvo_ hugs seb128
[10:56]  * dholbach hugs seb128
[10:56]  * Hobbsee --> dinner
[10:56] <seb128> Hobbsee: time to start learning about it then, maybe in some months you will be ready ;-)
[10:56] <crevette> Hobbsee, actually nobody knows wht is gnome
[10:56] <seb128> Hobbsee: enjoy your dinner
[10:56] <crevette> except this is people
[10:56]  * seb128 hugs dholbach mvo
[10:56] <njpatel> hmm, I just updated and now only root can play audio :-/
[10:57] <crevette> seb128, I've received svn account \./
[10:57] <njpatel> oh, and morning :-)
[10:57] <crevette> njpatel, not GNOME
[10:57] <crevette> bash pulseaudio
[10:57] <crevette> :)
[10:57] <njpatel> crevette: gnome :-)
[10:57] <njpatel> crevette: is there a fix for it?
[10:59] <crevette> actually I don't really know, I hasd problem when while 2 users where connected, the 2nd didn't had sound
[11:00] <njpatel> well, running pulseaudio as root seems to let normal apps work, which okay for now i guess
[11:03] <seb128> you should not have to workaround bugs this way
[11:03] <seb128> try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe, and give details on what you updated, etc
[11:08] <njpatel> seb128: sure, i'm just trying to see if theres a bug filed first. I needed to get it working asap as I can't hack without music :-)
[11:12] <crevette> njpatel, are you sure you're in audio group ?
[11:12] <crevette> just a dumb thought, I'm not using ubuntu right now
[11:12] <njpatel> crevette: I just added myself, and now it works again
[11:12] <crevette> ahhahaha
[11:12] <crevette> :)
[11:12] <crevette> $
[11:13] <njpatel> it was wokring before the update...i wonder what happened
[11:14] <seb128> what update did you do?
[11:14] <seb128> dapper to hardy?
[11:16] <njpatel> seb128: nope, was already on hardy, it was just a normal update (about 30 packages)
[11:16] <seb128> weird then
[12:29] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, maybe.  i should be finished university by then.  Actually, i was thinking of doing that this release cycle, and stepping away from MOTU
[12:29] <Hobbsee> crevette: oh?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> seb128: besides, canonical wouldn't hire me - have caused too much trouble wiht MOTU, etc.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> seb128: either way, i'm interested, if i find time somewhere in there.  i'ts on the very long to-do list
[12:31] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Hehe
[12:32] <Hobbsee> mvo: i don't know about your compiz change, btw....
[12:32] <Amaranth> Well, on one hand I don't want to think that is true but on the other hand I applied for that position so.... :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: heh
[12:33] <mvo> Hobbsee: hm?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mvo: a few of my apps (pidgin x1, firefox x many) keep going dark, sometimes not recovering.
[12:34] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: did they freeze?
[12:34] <Amaranth> nothing in that part of the code has changed
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: er, yes.  isn't going dark usually freezing?
[12:36] <Amaranth> well, some people used to complain about firefox going dark and not actually freezing
[12:36] <Amaranth> which i think was a ff2 bug with it not responding to pings anymore
[12:49] <crevette> Hobbsee, why "ho ?"
[12:50] <Hobbsee> crevette: as in, "what do you mean?"
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ah right.
[13:46] <seb128> mpt: hey
[13:47] <mpt> hi seb128
[13:48] <seb128> mpt: do you know if there is a launchpad bug about the counts of bugs being different when changing the sorting option?
[13:49] <mpt> seb128, yes, and yes
[13:49] <seb128> ok, I can't find it, must be using the wrong keywords
[13:49] <mpt> bug 148901
[13:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148901 in malone "fewer bugs listed when sorting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148901
[13:49] <seb128> sorting by recently open is nice for triaging
[13:49] <mpt> It's the #1 result when I search for "sort"
[13:50] <seb128> but if it's dropping bugs on the way that defeat the purpose
[13:50] <seb128> I searched for number and count ...
[13:50] <seb128> thanks!
[13:50] <mpt> np
[13:51] <seb128> how can this bug be open for 6 months and being ignored
[13:51] <mvo> which one?
[13:51] <seb128> mvo: bug #148901
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148901 in malone "fewer bugs listed when sorting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148901
[13:52] <mvo> heh :)
[13:52] <seb128> mvo: when you sort bugs there is some removed of the list
[13:52] <mvo> I always wondered by the numbers are different then
[13:52] <seb128> which means we might be ignoring important issues
[13:52] <mvo> (when i sorted e.g. update-manager reports)
[13:52] <mvo> right
[13:52] <seb128> what I'm wondering is which bugs it's removing
[13:52] <seb128> because it that's incomplete ones that ok, but if it removes valid bugs it's really broken
[13:53] <mvo> agreed, maybe #launchpad knows?
[13:53] <seb128> mpt: do you know what is the best way to get that escalated so the launchpad team might consider it for 2.0?
[13:54] <seb128> or whatever the next version is called
[13:54] <mpt> The next version is called 1.2.4
[13:54] <seb128> ok
[13:54] <seb128> so to get it consider for 1.2.4 or 1.2.5 ;-)
[13:54] <mpt> and the best way is probably to talk with the Launchpad managers (kiko, SteveA, and Rinchen)
[13:55] <seb128> ok, thanks
[14:56] <seb128> mvo: around?
[14:58] <mvo> yes
[14:58] <seb128> mvo: could you look at bug #220761? it seems to run several time the update-manager postinst and hit segfaults
[14:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220761 in evolution "package evolution-common 2.22.1-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220761
[14:58] <mvo> looking
[15:00] <mvo> seb128: happens in a bunch of packages, I suspect its either a HW problem (bad ram) or the scrollkeeper-update bug we talked aobut the other day
[15:01] <mvo> I mark it a duplicate of #220762 fo rnow
[15:01] <seb128> mvo: how come it doesn't write what binary is segfaulting btw?
[15:01] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[15:01] <seb128> bug #220762
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220762 in ubuntu-docs "package ubuntu-docs 8.04.2~hardy failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220762
[15:01] <mvo> yeah, I was wondering about that too
[15:01] <mvo> no idea right now
[15:02] <seb128> ok
[15:02] <mvo> (sorry)
[15:05] <seb128> (no need to)
[15:13] <mvo> heh :)
[17:40] <crevette> hello
[17:41] <cody-somerville> Hi