[00:00] I'l have a look around ;) [00:07] tedg: possibly, although I see expectations have no bearing on what the driver is actually capable of so far ;-) [00:07] tedg: we get feature requests for things not even implemented upstream yet [00:07] tedg: but yeah, this sounds like something mvo and amarath might find interesting [00:07] bryce: Heh, okay. [00:08] from an X pov, compiz either works or it doesn't, so the options would just be 1 or "any" ;-) [00:10] bryce: Honestly, that's not what all the screensaver bugs tell me. It seems very driver/temperature/direction of wind specific on which ones will kill a system. [01:06] Hello. === heno is now known as heno_away === cr3_ is now known as cr3 === foka__ is now known as foka === calc_ is now known as calc === RadiantFire_ is now known as RadiantFire === cr3_ is now known as cr3 [05:09] There was a change in apt from dapper to gutsy that broke our projects init script. We get a sighup or the like shortly after invoke-rc.d package start [06:20] good morning [06:23] so how are we looking for release? [06:24] we are looking *intently* for release. :) [06:24] slangasek: thinks he has one behind the couch, if that's any help. [06:24] hehe [06:24] Stupid enter key. [06:25] come on, copy faster [06:25] * dholbach checks the iso tracker for bugs that were found [06:32] I'm not sure, but to me it looks like adding bug 218191 to the iso tracker was a mistake :) [06:32] Launchpad bug 218191 in bzr "paramiko.SSHException: Server connection dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218191 [06:34] yeah, that has nothing to do with Hardy at all :) === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie === asac_ is now known as asac [06:46] hey dholbach [06:46] hi guys [06:46] hiya fabbione - how are you doing? [06:46] heya fabbione [06:46] dholbach: is there anybody in our .de community that lives in Munich? [06:46] hey Hobbsee [06:46] fabbione: I think glatzor does [06:46] hang on [06:46] dholbach: none of our guys do? [06:47] /our/canonical... [06:47] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-munich/+members [06:47] ok thanks :) [06:47] glatzor is on there [06:48] *our* :D [06:49] dholbach: ok thanks... [06:49] i don't know him... [06:50] https://launchpad.net/~glatzor - never met him during UDSes? [06:50] he did great work around gnome-app-install, displayconfig-gtk, etc [06:50] maybe.. [06:50] my memory for people sucks === GBGames is now known as GBGames|sleep [06:51] nice logo for ubuntu-munich: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/3010060/msn_beer.png === hunger_t is now known as hunger [06:55] dholbach: hah === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow [07:29] Good morning [07:33] heya warp10 :) [07:33] hey emgent [07:43] emgent: hi [07:44] heya tseliot [07:54] Good morning [07:55] heya pitti [07:55] good morning pitti! [07:57] * pitti hugs dholbach and Hobbsee [07:57] * dholbach hugs y'all back [08:03] hi pitti [08:12] hey seb [08:12] hey seb128 :) [08:12] hello dholbach [08:14] bonjour seb128 [08:14] hey pitti [08:14] pitti: what issue did you have with floppy? the floppy is mounted but you get an error dialog? [08:15] seb128: hm, there was some confusion about getting different icons and weird names ("1.5 MB media", etc.) [08:15] seb128: by and large it worked [08:15] I should have taken notes, darn [08:16] pitti: ah, that too, when unmounting the label doesn't change back, it still says 1.5M media [08:16] right [08:16] pitti: bug #206860 [08:16] Launchpad bug 206860 in gvfs "Floppy drive label icon changes to "1,5 GB Media" and don't go back to "Floppy Drive" anymore" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206860 [08:16] pitti: and bug #203722 [08:16] Launchpad bug 203722 in gnome-mount "Double clicking on Floppy Drive gives an error (Unable to mount location) despite it's mounted but not opened in Hardy RC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203722 [08:17] seb128: ah, that was it, too; thanks [08:26] pitti: bug #203722 is the annoying one, I'll have a look to fix those for 8.04.1 I think, but floppies are not exactly high priority work right now ;-) [08:26] Launchpad bug 203722 in gnome-mount "Double clicking on Floppy Drive gives an error (Unable to mount location) despite it's mounted but not opened in Hardy RC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203722 [08:27] seb128: right; and by and large they work, so cosmetics are fine for .1 [08:31] pitti: hey, would you think that jockey could handle wacom-devices until the driver/xserver did input-hotplug properly? [08:31] argh, these 'psmouse sync lost'/kernel crashes drive me crazy [08:32] tjaalton: everything's possible :) [08:32] tjaalton: for that we need (1) a reliable way of detecting them, and (2) a mostly non-interactive way to set it up [08:32] tjaalton: but certainly jockey already has enough code for xorg.conf mangling, etc. [08:33] tjaalton: what's missing for input hotplug there? [08:33] tjaalton: does that need additional packages which we don't install by default, or something? [08:33] pitti: ok, would it be possible to hash it out at UDS, and maybe even get something in 8.04.1? (I know, a new feature, but..) [08:34] tjaalton: yes, I want to talk about jockey and device drivers at UDS anyway (also with the envy guys) [08:34] tjaalton: TBH, I fully expect to update stable releases with new hardware drivers, and thus new jockey handlers [08:35] pitti: the wacom input driver is installed by default, but I'm not sure if wacom-tools would be needed. the proposed dexconf-hackery only relied on detecting /dev/input/wacom, so maybe it's enough [08:35] tjaalton: hm; but if everything is already there, why can't it be set up by default then? [08:36] tjaalton: the purpose of interactive installation like jockey (notification, acknowledge, etc.) is mostly to fetch packages from unknown/third-party/non-free locations, etc. [08:36] Mithrandir: the driver has had some sort of hotplug support, but not quite something that works nicely with the server, which still has it's own issues [08:36] tjaalton: I have an x61t, so if there's anything I can do to make it work, please tell me. [08:38] pitti: AIUI jockey would be needed for detecting a hotplug wacom device, so the dexconf approach would need the device to be attached during install/reconfiguration [08:38] tjaalton: ah, I see what you mean [08:38] Mithrandir: ah ok, so hang on then :) [08:39] tjaalton: ATM jockey doesn't have hotplug suport, it only checks at session startup; I do mean to add hotplug support, though [08:39] tjaalton: I've never done actual X driver development, so that might be a bit above my skills, but if it's just testing and twiddling packages and such, I can do that easily. [08:39] pitti: yeah that's what occured to me a minute ago.. [08:40] tjaalton: gnome-volume-manager has some (limited) support for it, thuogh [08:40] tjaalton: check system -> settings -> removable media and devices, it has keyboards, tablets, etc. [08:40] tjaalton: so we could run a program there [08:40] Mithrandir: I think upstream is close to having it sorted out. We should actually have the first decent release for input-hotplug [08:40] tjaalton: depends on how the device appears in hal; you might check gnome-volume-manager -n and see the debug output (and set the program to some dummy shell script) [08:41] pitti: oh right, that's one approach [08:45] "Error deleting openoffice.org-writer2latex - subprocess pre-removal script returned error 1" [08:46] mvo: ^ I'm doing a ubiquity installation right now - where can I read the terminal output of apt/dpkg? /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/term.log don't mention that problem [08:48] o_O [08:48] * pitti looks at the quodlibet source and sees [08:48] + "file:///Sebastian/Droge/please/choke/on/a/bucket/of/cocks", ""): [08:48] Wow [08:48] slomo: any idea about that? [08:49] pitti: so, if the wacom driver is enough to detect the device, then jockey could install wacom-tools [08:49] pitti: anyway, I'll reply to Vincenzo about this [08:50] to me it seems bug 219703 and bug 218246 and bug 200979 should be fixed [08:50] Launchpad bug 219703 in writer2latex "Writer2latex 0.5-6 fails to install on Hardy ppc" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219703 [08:50] Launchpad bug 218246 in writer2latex "upgrading writer2latex fails when doing version upgrade to Ubuntu 8.04LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218246 [08:50] Launchpad bug 200979 in writer2latex "package writer2latex 0.5-6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200979 [08:50] and if it's just by adding "|| true" to all maintainer scripts [08:50] I get a popup during an ubiquity install because of it [08:50] that sucks [08:51] calc: still awake? [08:54] slomo: bug 220907, FYI; I subscribed the community council, too [08:54] Launchpad bug 220907 in quodlibet "source code heavily insulting" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220907 [08:55] mvo: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/1562/15 is the link to bug 218191 intentional or just a typing mistake ? [08:55] Launchpad bug 218191 in bzr "paramiko.SSHException: Server connection dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218191 [08:56] pitti: added svn log of the revision that added it [08:59] dholbach: thanks [09:00] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7824 [09:00] pitti: I get a popup during ubiquity install because of the prerm failing [09:02] dholbach: wow, ubiquity install touches ooo-writer2latex? [09:02] pitti: I don't know how problematic bug 219703 comment 3 really is, but for the release we should use "unopkg ... || true" in the maintainer scripts [09:02] Launchpad bug 219703 in writer2latex "Writer2latex 0.5-6 fails to install on Hardy ppc" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219703 [09:03] all open writer2latex bugs are about maintainer scripts failures [09:03] didn't this occur in any other ubiquity installs for anybody? [09:04] never [09:04] it was a dvd-amd64-ubiquity-autoresize-german installation [09:04] ah, dvd; that might install more, yes === heno_away is now known as heno [09:10] soren: hmm, Virtual Machine -> Shutdown broke; it still worked fine last time, now it does nothing [09:11] pitti: Install acpid in your guest. [09:11] soren: erm -- this is hanging at the BIOS boot prompt [09:11] Shutdown now sends an acpi powerdown event so that you can shut down your guests cleanly without having to log into them. [09:11] soren: there's a bug: after an OS reboot, it fails to boot from the CD-ROM [09:11] after a 'hard' reboot it works again [09:11] pitti: That's not a bug :) [09:11] Oh. [09:11] Er.. [09:11] soren: yes, I did the stuff with adding the CD-ROM drive and make it the boot device [09:12] (it's not the single-shot CD-ROM thing) [09:12] Well, to forcefully shut down a vm, you need to "destroy" it. It's in the menu. [09:12] so that won't delete my VM, just power it off? [09:12] Yes. [09:12] It destroys the running state of it. [09:12] destroy sounds dangerous, and non-reversible [09:12] ah [09:12] maybe it should be labelled 'power off' or so :) [09:13] YEah, I though about it. [09:13] soren: ok, thanks, that worked [09:13] erk, except that it doesn't really; /me pokes [09:13] a) virt-manager is rather well translated, and I'd lose that if I changed it. b) The term is used very consistently in a lot of other places. [09:14] I get gfxboot, select 'boot from first harddisk', then I get some text which is far too fast to read, and then it's off again [09:14] bugger [09:15] pitti: When did you create this vm? [09:15] selecting 'boot from hd' in the details works [09:15] Oh. Hm.. [09:15] soren: about 15 minutes ago, right before I tried a standard desktop install [09:15] I've not seen that before. [09:15] me neither [09:15] mvo: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/1562/15 is the link to bug 218191 intentional or just a typing mistake ? [09:15] anyway, good enough workaround for now [09:15] How can I reproduce it? Create a vm, destroy it, add the cdrom again, tell it to boot from the cd, start? [09:16] Launchpad bug 218191 in bzr "paramiko.SSHException: Server connection dropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218191 [09:16] pitti: Oh, you're trying to boot from the hd? /me is confused [09:16] stratus: let me check [09:16] soren: the install finished, so I want to test it [09:16] soren: usually I always boot from the CD and select "boot from first HD" in the CD's gfxboot menu [09:17] soren: that way I never need to take out the CD [09:17] or change the boot priority [09:17] stgraber: typo, thanks - updated [09:17] pitti: Ohh! [09:18] pitti: Yeah, that's probably an extboot (kvm bios) problem. [09:27] pitti: bug 220911 - wdyt? [09:27] Launchpad bug 220911 in writer2latex "Maintainer scripts of openoffice.org-writer2latex fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220911 [09:29] dholbach: what is that unopkg anyway? also, that would require new DVD builds, right? [09:29] calc: still awake by any chance? do you know what this unopkg thing is? [09:30] dholbach: as a hackish workaround it would be ok [09:30] pitti: it handles openoffice extensions [09:31] pitti: it's pragmatic - I doubt we have the time to dive into ooo code to figure out why unopkg fails :-( [09:32] dholbach: absolutely [09:33] it'd be nice if somebody confirmed that openoffice.org-writer2latex works with the patch in all kinds of package installation scenarios [09:34] dholbach: is the package working if those commands break? [09:35] seb128: that's something I guess only calc can answer - maybe doko too [09:35] doko: what do you think about bug 220911? [09:35] Launchpad bug 220911 in writer2latex "Maintainer scripts of openoffice.org-writer2latex fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220911 [09:35] otherwise we should as well drop the package from the DVD for now [09:35] I don't know if we have any other unopkg calls in any maintainer scripts [09:36] slangasek: still awake? I guess you are not too excited about rebuilding DVDs for bug 220911? [09:36] Launchpad bug 220911 in writer2latex "Maintainer scripts of openoffice.org-writer2latex fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220911 [09:37] dholbach: but if that means that all DVD installations fail, we probably have to do it [09:37] dholbach: hmm, the better fix would be to depend on openoffice.org-java-common, gij | java-gcj-compat | openjdk-6-jre | java2-runtime [09:37] openoffice.org-base.preinst [09:37] openoffice.org-common.list [09:37] openoffice.org-common.md5sums [09:37] openoffice.org-common.postinst [09:37] openoffice.org-common.preinst [09:37] openoffice.org-core.list [09:37] openoffice.org-core.md5sums [09:38] openoffice.org-core.postrm [09:38] openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev.preinst [09:38] openoffice.org-java-common.preinst [09:38] IMO it's really the missing java stuff, or are openoffice.org-java-common and gij installed on the CD? [09:38] openoffice.org-officebean.preinst [09:38] openoffice.org.postinst [09:38] openoffice.org.preinst [09:38] openoffice.org-writer2latex.postinst [09:38] openoffice.org-writer2latex.preinst [09:38] openoffice.org-writer2latex.prerm [09:38] openoffice.org-writer.preinst [09:38] ttf-opensymbol.postinst [09:38] ttf-opensymbol.postrm [09:38] that's where unopkg turns up on my installed system [09:38] s/CD/DVD/ ? [09:39] doko: what will realistically be broken on an installed system if unopkg fails? [09:39] IMO it's really the missing java stuff, or are openoffice.org-java-common and gij installed on the DVD? [09:40] dholbach: ^^^ [09:40] doko: just doing a reinstallation on the dvd, will respond in a sec [09:41] To avoid another upload of OOo, it would be better to seed it for the DVD [09:46] doko: on the booted live image of the dvd, gij and openoffice.org-java-common are installed, not sure if they get installed during the installation process though [09:47] dholbach: I don't know either, don't have any DVD test cases assigned ;-) [09:47] doko: I'll let you know in a sec [09:47] but if it fails there are certainly some depends wrong? [09:47] dholbach: you should be able to Run the letter wizard in writer as well [09:49] doko: it's not OO.o itself, just the writer2latex source [09:49] it doesn't affect CDs, just the DVDs [09:51] hi [09:51] pitti: yes, I know, but the better solution would be to add the dependency to writer2latex instead of ignoring the error code [09:51] doko: right, I wasn't questioning that [09:51] if that helps [09:52] weird that this didn't turn up during RC testing [09:54] soren: is it possible somehow to configure a maximum resolution of the VM graphics card? [09:54] pitti: Not without patching vgabios. [09:54] with all this jumping around, it is very hard to operate the guest when it has the same resolution as the host [09:55] or, alternatively, a real fullscreen mode [09:55] pitti: You can change the x config in the guest, of course. [09:55] soren: sure, I usually do the xrandr thing (prefs -> screen resolution) [09:55] but getting there is hard enough :) [09:56] but that's probably more a VNC viewer (vinagre?) bug [09:57] vinagre, virt-viewer, and virt-manager all use gtk-vnc. [09:58] So if you're using virt-manager, vinagre has nothing to do with it. [09:58] ah [10:10] hum... in the second run (de-amd64-dvd-ubiquity-oem-erasedisk) it did not fail [10:12] thekorn: hey! could you please renew my bughelper-dev membership? [10:14] mvo_: done [10:15] thekorn: thanks! [10:18] cjwatson, evand: oem-config proposed a US keyboard (dvd-de-ubiquity-oem installation) although I chose de everywhere else before - do you know if that's a known bug? do you need any more info? [10:19] ah, might be bug 219209 [10:19] Launchpad bug 219209 in oem-config "United States keymap suggested for United Kingdom" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219209 [10:19] nevermind [10:22] aiui unopkg usually fails due to lock in root's .openoffice.org2 directory [10:23] removing that directory then uninstalling/reinstalling the package in most cases fixes the issue [10:23] calc: that was during a new installation [10:23] calc: hm, that shouldn't be a problem for fresh ubiquity installations from the DVD, though? [10:23] probably not [10:24] unopkg is so buggy though that there is a bug on OOo bugtracker to rewrite it as well, so it probably fails for all sorts of reasons :( [10:24] in any case the maintainer scripts shouldn't fail :/ [10:26] what do we do about it? [10:26] dholbach: it also doesn't return reliable return codes :\ [10:26] * dholbach does another amd64-dvd-ubiquity-de-autoresize installation [10:26] i guess the only thing we really can is drop the package from the install [10:27] doko: what do you think? [10:27] it doesn't always fail, but doesn't always suceed either [10:29] I personally feel that a every-now-and-then "prerm failed - WAAAAAAAAH" popup during the installation should be fixed before the release :-/ [10:30] sure, dropping it would be the best thing. we can ignore the errors as well. calc: how das w2l behave if it install scripts failed? [10:38] doko: not sure, it hasn't failed to install for me before [10:39] calc, doko: does unopkg work at all? this is on my amd64 normal machine (after installation of writer2latex) [10:39] daniel@bert:~$ dpkg -l openoffice.org-writer2latex | grep ^ii [10:39] ii openoffice.org-writer2latex 0.5-6 Writer/Calc to LaTeX/XHTML converter extension for OpenOffice.org [10:39] daniel@bert:~$ /usr/lib/openoffice/program/unopkg list [10:39] all deployed user packages: [10:39] [10:39] daniel@bert:~$ [10:39] * calc had thought it only failed on old install cases [10:40] dholbach: shows none for me too but i do have writer2latex successfully installed [10:40] er i thought i did [10:41] looks like i uninstalled it at some point, reinstalling now to test again [10:42] so either the call in the writer2latex maintainer scripts is broken or unopkg itself [10:43] its unopkg aiui, i talked to Rene about it a couple days ago when i saw the first reports about it failing [10:43] i don't think he even realized it would fail on a completely fresh install though [10:45] Setting up openoffice.org-writer2latex (0.5-6) ... [10:45] Adding extension /usr/lib/openoffice/share/extension/install/writer2latex.uno.pkg... done. [10:45] yes, I got that too [10:45] still shows for whatever reason [10:47] has support for saving in latex format [10:48] hmm still has it even with it removed though, hmm [10:48] unless it didn't properly remove [10:48] unopkg list --shared has some output though [10:50] calc: ^ [10:50] ah [10:50] so I guess unopkg seems to work fine - it's just the maintainer scripts that fail because of some reason [10:51] it doesn't always register properly, which is the problem [10:52] hmm, has an idea [10:52] soren: erk; someone apparently seeded virt-viewer to server ship without an MIR [10:52] soren: can you please remove it from the seeds? [10:53] soren: and libvirt-bin binary is still in universe and thus it didn't make it to the server CDs [10:53] soren: I can promote it now, but would we want to rebuild the server ISOs for that? [10:54] * calc sees if it will fail to install for him now [10:55] well it might not [10:55] i wonder if these packages using unopkg need to predepend on the java stuff [10:55] * calc isn't sure if unopkg works right without it or not [10:56] it looks like it does, unopkg list --shared still returns but is empty since w2l is uninstalled [10:56] ok removing all java then reinstalling w2l still made it install properly [10:57] calc: apparenlty hyphen is not used by anything in main, so it wants to go back to universe; didn't you want me to promote it a while ago, for something? [10:58] pitti: it should be being used for openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us(?) [10:58] calc: right, but that itself is built by hyphen, too [10:58] i was going to use the lib but once i built with it, found out the lib itself had some bugs that needed to be fixed and was too late to have a new verison synced [10:58] calc: and openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us has no reverse dependencies anywhere [10:58] pitti: I'm not sure. Strictly speaking, that would invalidate the testing that's already been done with the server cd's I support? [10:59] soren: right [10:59] s/support/suppose/ [10:59] ah ok drop it then, it was supposed to be in one of the l-s-e packages aiui [10:59] calc: since that's on the CD, too late now; but WDYT if I seed it to supported now to keep it in main, and we update l-s-en in an SRU? [10:59] pitti: hm, it maybe not ideal to move it back now because for dapper->hardy upgrade without universe enabled it maybe needed - a big maybe I would have to test to be sure [11:00] mvo_: for 'it' being what? [11:00] pitti: yea that would be good [11:00] openoffice.org-hyphenation (or did I missing something?) [11:00] calc: is there a bug# about it? we should milestone it for .1 then [11:00] mvo_: right, I think above proposal is better anyway [11:01] I'm not sure. I'd like to get Rick's opinion. [11:01] pitti: language-support-writing-en should have a depends on it [11:01] grrrrr, didn't fail now [11:01] pitti: it was in there for 0409 and was removed for 0410 [11:02] pitti: it was added/removed due to buggy openoffice.org-hyphenation/hypen interaction [11:02] pitti: but those issues have been resolved so we can add it back now [11:03] pitti: actually it was added in 0229 then removed 0303 then added in 0409 then removed in 0410, heh ping pong [11:03] calc: I created bug 220949 [11:03] Launchpad bug 220949 in language-support-writing-en "should depend on openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220949 [11:03] calc: milestoned for 8.04.1 [11:03] pitti: ok thanks [11:03] pitti: yes, i know that already... joe wreschnig seems to have some personal problems with me since debian bug #421167 (i was responsible for introducing a regression in gstreamer which broke his application) [11:03] Debian bug 421167 in gstreamer0.10 "quodlibet: fails to start, claiming 'filesrc' cannot be found" [Grave,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/421167 [11:03] * calc headed back for bed, 5am here [11:03] be back in a few hours [11:04] * pitti hugs slomo [11:04] call me if needed :) [11:04] * slomo hugs pitti [11:05] calc: seeded [11:05] calc: sleep well [11:07] * dholbach hugs slomo too [11:08] * slomo hugs dholbach :) [11:09] guys, just ran into a pulseaudio bug after an update: music won't play unless your root, the work-around is to run pulseaudio as root. Any ideas? [11:10] pitti, dholbach: well, while we're at it i could as well file this bug in debian, which will probably lead to get it changed upstream too ;) [11:12] doko, pitti: added a new comment to bug 220911 [11:12] Launchpad bug 220911 in writer2latex "Maintainer scripts of openoffice.org-writer2latex fail" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220911 [11:12] dholbach: thanks [11:13] I'll do another installation and see if I can reproduce it - the syslog should be able to shed light on the order of removal of packages [11:13] cjwatson: is there a way to install from a usb stick without having a cdrom connected? the installer insists on a CD ROM driver [11:18] doko, heh, i just added a spec suggestion for USB key install by default :) [11:19] are the archives completely frozen now? i seem to recall today 8am UTC, but i'm not sure [11:21] laga: universe, yes; main, pretty much barring installation failure fixes [11:23] seb128: the CD burner doesn't offer me anymore the option to burn with a slower speed. is this intended? [11:24] doko: which java does unopkg use in a standard installation? [11:25] doko: lshal | grep write_speeds [11:26] $ lshal | grep write_speeds [11:26] storage.cdrom.write_speeds = {'1764'} (string list) [11:26] doko: ok, so not my bug, dunno if that's hal or linux though [11:26] didn't change the drive, did work in gutsy [11:26] ok [11:26] doko: maybe pitti has an idea on the issue [11:27] the choices are limited on my boxes too [11:27] dholbach: if it isn't clear, the reason a bunch of prerms are run in this context is that DVD ubiquity installs work by copying a huge slew of packages over (including lots of language support packages) and then removing the ones that aren't needed [11:27] doko,laga: have either of you read the instructions in the installation guide for this? [11:27] err, sorry [11:27] doko,ogra: ^-- [11:28] I do think we should make it *easier* for 8.10 but it is possible [11:28] C [11:28] doko: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html (for 7.04 but should still be valid) [11:30] cjwatson: no, just https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [11:31] cjwatson, i think we should have a script that builds dd'abe daylies :) [11:32] *able [11:36] doko: ah, it's a bit different for desktop CDs. I'd advise using the installation-guide method for now because I understand better how to debug that if it goes wrong :) [11:37] cjwatson: I was trying to do the iso tests on my new toy :) [11:37] doko, what do you have ? [11:38] ogra: I'm concerned about essentially doubling the disk space requirements on cdimage by converting everything to USB images; what I want to do is provide a program for both Linux and Windows that transforms a given CD image into a USB image [11:38] we discussed this a bit, informally, at Boston [11:38] ogra: TP X61 [11:38] doko: you said "the installer insists on a CD ROM driver"; was that alternate or desktop? [11:38] cjwatson: alternate [11:38] after connecting an USB CD ROM, it did want to have the CD [11:39] cjwatson, yeah, right, i remember [11:39] doko, TP == touchscreen ? [11:40] ogra, tablet, but no multitouch [11:40] cool [11:40] doko: can you try it with the installation-guide method? [11:40] i have a exoc osiris 621 since two week ... [11:40] cjwatson: will do [11:40] thanks [11:40] touchscreen is cool until you forget about it and want to wipe any dirt off the screen :P [11:41] and suddleny have a wndow hanging on your fingertip :P [11:43] * calc couldn't fall back asleep :\ [11:43] hello [11:43] too many screwed up hours lately [11:43] i'll take a nap later today [11:45] pitti: oof, we forgot to sync rescue ... [11:45] cjwatson: yeah, I noticed yesterday night :/ [11:45] cjwatson: now it's something for .1, I figure [11:46] is ubiquity supposed to say "you don't have enough disk space" somewhere? [11:46] dholbach: yeah [11:46] for me it just crashed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837 [11:46] there might be border cases where it doesn't manage it; I noticed something similar during RC testing and filed a bug [11:46] logs up at http://daniel.holba.ch/install [11:47] definitely a bug, you might as well file it [11:47] ogra@osiris:~$ lsusb -t [11:47] cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices, No such file or directory (2) [11:47] uuuh [11:47] why does that look in /proc ? [11:47] cjwatson: on ubiquity itself? [11:47] ogra: ugh, bug [11:48] dholbach: yes [11:48]