[00:00] hello [00:00] hi [00:00] meeting time? [00:00] hello everyone and happy earth day [00:00] yeah, meeting time :) [00:00] hi DPic [00:00] hi L1pe [00:01] So we have a blank agenda but i think we should still talk about a few things [00:01] this is our last meeting before the hardy release [00:01] just arrived for the meeting I thought I wouldn't get on time [00:02] we still haven't gotten any new flyers from LoCo's have we? [00:03] nope [00:03] DPic I' will be sendong ubuntu-ar's flyers for flisol to the loco contact list [00:03] tonight [00:03] *sending [00:04] L1pe: can you share that on the wiki? [00:05] yes, sure It's in spanish, I will put it in the ubuntu-ar page on the wiki and link it from Marketing. is it ok? [00:05] that sounds good [00:06] maybe we really can't depend on LoCo's to create fliers for us and we just need more marketing team members [00:06] k, I'm doing it right now [00:07] DPic: maybe we can designate someone to be the "flyers coordinator" or something like that [00:07] what would their job be? [00:08] his role in the team will be to encourage and follow up the creation/update of the fliers and related marketing [00:09] I think we just need someone to focus on that as his main job in the team [00:09] well i think the benefit of us making out own fliers and distribute them to LoCo's is that the flyer or poster or whatever is created with the intention of being used for one team [00:11] can't help much with that [00:11] I have no artistic ability at all [00:11] well i'm not really artistic but i can create flyers as they're needed [00:12] boredandblogging: I don't think the main issue is the art, the ussual problem is the redaction and the grammar [00:12] (and the translation :) ) [00:13] why dont you just get in contact with the people who creates flyers for their own LoCo's so that way you can work together in the creation of them, and then.. after being created... they can be modified to satisfy own LoCo's needs [00:14] RoAkSoAx: sure... but if someone takes the job as his main task, the task will be performed... [00:14] RoAkSoAx: that sounds like a good idea. we could message the marketing team and loco contacts lists to recruit people [00:15] yes, that way... they would not only create flyers for the LoCo's.... but for all the Ubuntu Community to use... [00:16] *(for their own LoCo's) [00:17] yeah, i'll send out an email for that [00:17] RoAkSoAx: yes, it would be great to ask them to make an english version to share [00:17] ask them for an editable version [00:17] not a flattened jpg [00:17] or something similar [00:18] yeah [00:18] boredandblogging: sure. some free editable format [00:18] well they'll be working with us so that won't be a problem [00:19] at the last meeting we talked about electing a leader, do we want to put that on our schedule for our next meeting? i'm not sure if we really need a "leader." I'm currently listed as a contact for this team and anyone else is free to add themself [00:20] don't really have an opinion about it [00:21] it doesn't seem to be very important [00:21] does anyone think we should need an elected leader? [00:21] me neither. Can't we make a launchpad poll to ask the marketing team members if a leader should be elected or not? [00:22] i believe that it is always useful to have a leader! that way it can conduct the team into the right direction... manage things, and decide over important decitions to make... [00:22] well we sort of make decisions as a team. the only thing a leader might be able to do is be a tiebreaker of sorts [00:25] is there anything more we should do for the hardy release? [00:26] maybe see if locos need help advertising install fests [00:27] and how would we help? creating materials or did you have more in mind? [00:28] this saturday in all Latin america is the biggest Free software event in the world. I feel we as the marketing team are doing nothing to help with it [00:28] (the locos are doing a big job, but we are not giving any marketing support to them asa far as I know) [00:29] i didn't even know about it. what can we do ? [00:31] Good question, I don't know... any ideas? [00:34] doesn't seem like we can do much in our current state [00:35] I will send the ubuntu-ar flyer to the loco contacts list when this meeting finishes [00:36] I't already in spanish an I think I can get it translated to portuguese [00:38] alright great [00:39] oh and the ubuntu in stores campaign [00:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Campaigns/UbuntuInStores [00:41] should we continue trying to get people to contact stores? [00:43] hmmm did the campaign worked for someone? [00:44] well no, major stores haven't started selling machines with ubuntu on them but the point is to let the stores know that we want them [00:47] and what are we doing for that purpose? [00:48] well it's left up to people to contact those stores via mail, phone, or email [00:49] how we track down the people to see if anybody is responding to the campaign [00:49] how can we? [00:50] because maybe never has called and we have to find out another way... [00:51] yeah but how can we track who has contacted stores? [00:53] I don't know maybe a "call registry" wiki page [00:53] i could add a section to the wiki page for that [00:53] alright sounds good [00:54] anything else before the meeting ends? [00:54] not here [00:54] going once [00:54] twice [00:54] alright everyone thanks for coming [00:54] meeting adjourned [00:55] :) [00:55] I have to leave, see you. [00:55] thanks for coming === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Apr 20:00 UTC: LoCo Council | 23 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 30 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team === calc_ is now known as calc [06:20] good morning [06:20] guten tag. === asac_ is now known as asac === profoX_ is now known as profoX` === Syntux_ is now known as Syntux === mrevell is now known as mrevell-luncheon === mrevell-luncheon is now known as mrevell === mdz_ is now known as mdz === calc_ is now known as calc === nixternal is now known as lanretxin === lanretxin is now known as nixternal [19:37] @now [19:37] Current time in Etc/UTC: April 23 2008, 18:37:52 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 1 hour 22 minutes [19:58] @schedule montreal [19:58] Schedule for America/Montreal: 23 Apr 16:00: LoCo Council | 23 Apr 17:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 17:00: Server Team [20:08] who} [20:34] @schedule lima [20:34] Schedule for America/Lima: 23 Apr 15:00: LoCo Council | 23 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 16:00: Server Team [20:54] @ now [20:54] @now [20:54] jono: 21:39 -!- ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has quit [Client Quit [20:55] thanks stgraber :) [20:55] @now London [20:55] ;) [20:55] * jono chuckles [20:56] lol === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: LoCo Council Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 30 Apr 21:00 UTC: Server Team [20:57] @now [20:57] Current time in Etc/UTC: April 23 2008, 19:57:02 - Current meeting: LoCo Council [20:57] @schedule Lima [20:57] Schedule for America/Lima: Current meeting: LoCo Council 23 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 16:00: Server Team [20:58] boredandblogging, almost ready? [20:59] popey, ready? [20:59] oops [20:59] here [20:59] :) [21:00] ready [21:00] I'm here too ツ [21:00] hey all [21:00] lo jono [21:00] which LoCo Council people are here? [21:00] me [21:00] o/ [21:00] * boredandblogging raises his hand [21:00] \o [21:00] no Nick Ali? [21:00] thats boredandblogging [21:00] oops [21:00] jono: thats me [21:00] jono, that'll be boredandblogging [21:00] sorry, being an idiot [21:01] so we have a full house? [21:01] BINGO! [21:01] great stuff :) [21:01] does that mean we win? [21:01] I think so [21:01] everyone wins :) [21:01] you win a prize of buying me a beer :) [21:01] congrats! [21:01] you coming to De Hems tomorrow? [21:01] jono: if you ever come to Belgium... ;) [21:01] popey: I am in the US, so unlikely :) [21:01] JanC: count on it dude :) [21:01] I'll drink one for you [21:01] popey: do :) [21:02] alrighty [21:02] is anyone chairing this? [21:02] I can do it if you want, but don't mind if someone else does it [21:02] we would hope you would for it being the first [21:02] hoi [21:02] puh just in time;9 [21:02] johnc4510, boredandblogging ? [21:02] yep;) [21:02] let's hope that is not the last time;) [21:02] sure, I can do it if you like [21:02] jono, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda [21:02] thanks :) [21:02] +1 for jono [21:03] ok, first thing is privacy of the list [21:03] I recommend a closed list [21:03] a new closed list? [21:03] in addition to ubuntu-locoteams? [21:03] the CC has a closed list so discussions can occur in private where private discussions need to happen [21:03] yes, this will be a list for the council members [21:03] ok [21:03] I agree then [21:03] agreed [21:03] agreed [21:04] agreed [21:04] perhaps we can open the archive somedaies [21:04] I don't care much about the private aspect, but it's okay for me [21:04] juliux: I think taking a list that was private and making it open is a suspect thing to do [21:04] juliux: probably not depending on what is discussed [21:04] ok, so we have agreement [21:04] good thing :) [21:04] I will put in an RT for the council list right now [21:05] jono: there is one already [21:05] jono: I think some Debian lists do that (they open private lists after a certain time) [21:05] ok then a closed list [21:05] boredandblogging: there is a loco council list? [21:05] uhm [21:05] like security lists etc. [21:05] jono, one ticket in rt for it [21:05] jono: this is an rt request for it [21:05] oh thanks [21:05] :) [21:05] let me find it [21:05] if you have a private archive, there is no real way you can "open the archives" in the future [21:05] unless you get agreement from everyone who ever posted / quoted in it [21:05] not with default mailman [21:06] no, I am not saying technically [21:06] ok, next up [21:06] politically and in some ways legally [21:06] the remit of the council [21:06] popey: everybody would have to okay it, true [21:06] jono: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=1764 [21:06] thanks boredandblogging [21:06] we've dealt with the privacy issue on fridge-devel [21:07] its better to just create a new mailing list if you want it to be public after it was initially private [21:07] yes [21:07] so lets discuss the things the council should do: [21:07] approve members [21:08] i thouht we shouldn't approve members [21:08] jono: should't it only approve LoCo teams? [21:08] think he meant LoCos [21:08] the membership councils? [21:09] oops [21:09] sorry I meant approve teams [21:09] loco council will be a super council;) [21:09] hehe [21:09] so everyone happy to approve locos? [21:09] of course [21:09] definetely [21:09] we will need to document the approval process for members [21:09] +1 [21:09] +1 [21:09] +1 [21:10] jono: s/members/LoCos/ [21:10] ok I recommend we do this: [21:10] +1 [21:10] * flesh out exactly how the approval process works - what kind of criteria is being approved [21:10] * when a team is approved by the council they are official [21:11] sound ok? [21:11] what is the maximum bribe we can accept? :-P [21:11] haha [21:11] sounds good for me [21:11] can I ask someone to document this? [21:11] boredandblogging: one case of beer? :P [21:11] nop [21:12] good enough, [21:12] I would like to summarise the process and have some people take charge of documenting it in detail [21:12] wrong window [21:12] any volunteers? [21:12] jono, is there allready a base? [21:12] juliux: not yet - this will be a new document [21:12] was there any documentation on the old process of approving? [21:12] jono, i could, provided that several people have a good look at it... I have duffy fingers [21:12] its largely what kind of things are considered in an approval [21:12] keffie_jayx: paste the url, we can subscribe to the wiki page and edit [21:12] It *is* a wiki :) [21:12] keffie_jayx: ok you happy to do it? [21:12] right [21:13] i will try to provide something in the next weeks, but i am busy with work [21:13] jono yep, no problem [21:13] ok cool [21:13] shall email the link once I get started [21:13] keffie_jayx, yes please [21:13] there have been some rules in the past [21:13] keffie_jayx: I will email you with a summary of the process, just write it up - I will let you know in the email [21:13] we should als review that process with the locoteams [21:13] ok, next up is approving resources [21:13] like "proof of sustained activity" [21:13] mainly mailing lists, but also hosting [21:14] are you all happy to do this? [21:14] sure [21:14] yup [21:14] this would be a very good thing to offload to us [21:14] its good if more people know about that [21:14] you / canonical sysadmins get a lot of shit about that [21:14] indeed [21:14] lol [21:14] I am looking forward to offloading it ;) [21:14] and they can inform people about it if they are asking in the irc channel [21:14] popey: can I ask you to document this? [21:15] do we need to get the sysadmins to buy into this? [21:15] sure, drop me an email with whatever you have [21:15] popey: will do, thanks [21:15] boredandblogging: already spoke to them about it, they are cool [21:15] how will this work ? [21:15] jono: cool [21:15] does everybody of us gets an account for the rt? [21:15] or is there one for the council? [21:15] juliux: I will get advice from them about this [21:15] can we add mailing lists, or do we have to ask them? [21:15] they will liaise with you [21:16] JanC: you will approve the lists and they will create them [21:16] ok [21:16] and we will ping and ping and ping the sysadmins;) [21:16] asking about the status;) [21:16] in terms of ensuring the technical implementation of resource approval happens, can I suggest the IS team liaise with one person, maybe popey as he is writing it up? [21:17] i have an account on rt, I can start doing that [21:17] ooh, handy [21:17] great [21:17] boredandblogging: we need to get the process in place first, ensure everything is ticking over ok [21:17] right [21:17] ok, I will send a mail to IS and copy in popey [21:17] then we can kick that off [21:18] right, conflict resolution [21:18] we should expect conflict resolution to come to the LoCo council [21:18] I would like to recommend that the Council goes and modifies LoCo documentation to say how to add a conflict to the council agenda [21:18] does this sound fine? [21:19] conflict between who and who? [21:19] +1 [21:19] using what medium? [21:19] popey, inside a locoteam [21:19] hmm [21:19] maybe email the mailing list too if there are some issues they would like to discuss? [21:19] irc and forums are covered [21:19] and conflicts between LoCoTeams [21:19] what medium do you expect this conflict to present itself? [21:19] popey, sometimes you need a independent person [21:19] I would recommend this: [21:20] * there will be some loco teams that have conflict, they can add an agenda item to a loco council meeting to get the help of the council on the issue - that is the normal process [21:20] * some conflict will be private, and teams should be able to mail the loco council mailing list so it can be discussed privately [21:20] sound reasonable? [21:20] yes [21:20] +1 [21:20] fine for me [21:20] so long as they know about it [21:20] yep [21:20] I'd be surprised if we get any activity in that dept [21:20] but +1 anyway [21:20] ok, can I ask one of you to update the LoCo documentation to reflect this? [21:20] popey, it does happen [21:21] popey, i know that it will happen one day [21:21] resources get hijacked... like ubuntu-ve's IRC channel [21:21] juliux: you ok to do this? [21:21] jono, yes [21:21] keffie_jayx: but that's my point - surely the irc council deal with that? [21:21] yes [21:21] thanks [21:21] ok next up is reporting [21:22] I would like to ensure all loco council meetings are added to the monthly report [21:22] popey, what are you doing if two teams are coming and saing they hijacekd the irc channel? the irc council don't knwo the is the "real" locoteam;) [21:22] can someone take charge of summarising meetings on the report? [21:22] popey: the IRC council can't always decide who represents the LoCoTeam [21:22] i can do the reports [21:22] popey: believe me there is conflict - the swedish team fell out quite a bit and needed a mediator to help [21:22] thxs boredandblogging [21:22] and its all fixed now [21:22] ok [21:22] thanks boredandblogging [21:23] clearly i live in a rose-tinted loco team :) [21:23] we _never_ have conflict [21:23] HAH! [21:23] HAHAHA [21:23] popey: us brits are perfect, remember? [21:23] shut it Daviey [21:23] :P [21:23] of course [21:23] ok, so meeting times [21:23] can I recommend monthly meetings? [21:23] as a minimum [21:23] i think once a month should be the minimum [21:23] I recommend you start with monthly meetings and make them more regular if required [21:23] try a few meetings first [21:24] weren't we talking about twice a month? [21:24] similar to the CC schedule? [21:24] what do you all feel? [21:24] i think we should start with twice a month [21:24] and if that is too much we can skip one [21:24] CC? twice a month? have you been smoking crack boredandblogging? :P [21:24] ok, everyone happy with twice a month? [21:24] I would say, let's see how many items are on the agenda, and how urgent they are? [21:24] jono: maybe not crack, but... :-P [21:25] I'd say once a month [21:25] JanC: I think there needs to be an enforced regularity really [21:25] twice seems like too much for us [21:25] especially as we all tend to hang out on irc [21:25] maybe do once a month, and if there is too much stuff call an additional meeting? [21:25] +1 once a month [21:25] so can easily communicate with eachother [21:25] i am also fine with once a month [21:25] well, once a moth would be nice, with a possibility to have an additional meeting in between if needed? [21:25] and extra meetings if necessary [21:25] sounds good [21:26] so once a month? [21:26] +1 [21:26] +1 [21:26] enough time for changs to occur. I just hope we don't get full up with memberships [21:26] +1 [21:26] +1 [21:26] ok cool [21:26] unlikely keffie_jayx [21:26] be nice if we did tho :) [21:26] is like in the udds everything gets 100% of the votes;) [21:26] ok, so I think we have the core things decided now [21:26] time for beer? [21:26] jono, one more issuse the irc council asked me about ubuntu-tr [21:27] I would klike to ask about the loCo teams already on the CCagenda [21:27] jono, have you any document or irc log that says the are allready approved? [21:27] can I suggest I send out a summary and you all follow through on the actions we discussed? [21:27] ubuntu-tr? [21:27] I got the idea (from someone) that we would be aproving those [21:27] jono, yes [21:27] keffie_jayx: those should be moved to LCC agenda [21:27] and teams informed of the new process [21:28] juliux: I don't know off hand if there is a log [21:28] it should have been approved by the CC though [21:28] there's the meeting logs surely? [21:28] this is a good point, can I suggest that meeting logs of approvals are kept somewhere [21:28] jono, ok i will grep the cc logs [21:28] jono: looks like someone just moved it to the "approved" section on hte wiki [21:28] thanks juliux [21:28] popey: oh right [21:28] jono, i think we should add a colom where it says when a locoteam was approved [21:28] this is a great first mission for the LoCo council, can you look into it? [21:28] people have grepped and couldn't see [21:28] juliux: yes indeed [21:29] if they cannot be proved to be approved, then you should bring them to a meeting to discuss it I think [21:29] Your mission Jan, should you choose to accept it.. [21:29] jono, i will search on the logs, and where i find a date i will add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [21:29] thanks [21:29] ok, so I think we are largely done - I will get onto the mail now [21:29] feel free to discuss things in my absence :) [21:29] jono, thanks for your time [21:29] jono, thanks for your time [21:29] thanks jono [21:29]