| lool | dantalizing: Not sure I understand your question | 01:49 |
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| lool | persia: Wow, does mobile-basic-flash work for you? | 01:59 |
| lool | persia: It's broken for most of us with xul 1.9 | 02:00 |
| david88_lin | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 123456 | 02:22 |
| david88_lin | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY | 02:22 |
| lool | david88_lin: Hmm I'm afraid this went out to the public | 03:06 |
| lool | david88_lin: You'd better change password now | 03:06 |
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| david88_lin | I am changed. Thanks. | 03:31 |
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| persia | lool: It would be more accurate to say that I did not find any degradation with the updated mobile-basic-flash, and that the changes seemed reasonable (and helpful) from a textual review. | 12:54 |
| theseinfeld | Anybody knows why the ume-xephyr-start was removed from the ume-config-common package? | 13:04 |
| theseinfeld | lool any idea why the ume-config-common doesn't include the ume-xephyr-start? | 13:07 |
| phreekbird|work | so i just started reading about ume ... looks great, i am very impressed | 13:09 |
| phreekbird|work | just wanted to show my appreciation and let everyone know that its a great looking product ... keep up the good work! | 13:10 |
| theseinfeld | anybody here from the ubuntu-mobile team? davidm? | 13:14 |
| theseinfeld | so after doing the apt-get full-upgrade the ume-xephyr-start is gone | 13:15 |
| theseinfeld | i check the old backup to see that it was in the ume-config-common package and now that package doesn't have it | 13:15 |
| theseinfeld | if i start manually the xephyr and the hildon-desktop, boing | 13:15 |
| theseinfeld | core dump | 13:15 |
| theseinfeld | great success | 13:15 |
| theseinfeld | anybody knows what is going on? | 13:16 |
| theseinfeld | agoliveira, any idea? | 13:18 |
| * theseinfeld is sleeping...*snorrr* *snorrrrrr* | 13:20 | |
| agoliveira | theseinfeld: Sorry, no idea. | 13:21 |
| theseinfeld | agoliveira, but you acknowledge that it is gone :) | 13:21 |
| theseinfeld | I am not crazy :) | 13:22 |
| theseinfeld | right :) | 13:22 |
| agoliveira | theseinfeld: I don't know. I'm working on an unrelated urgent work since yesterday evening and didn't run UME since. | 13:22 |
| agoliveira | Let me turn on my Q1 | 13:22 |
| theseinfeld | hardy in 1 day | 13:22 |
| agoliveira | Gah, sorry | 13:23 |
| agoliveira | theseinfeld: I'm updating an image. Let's see what happens. | 13:24 |
| theseinfeld | full-upgrade | 13:24 |
| theseinfeld | agoliveira let me know | 13:29 |
| agoliveira | theseinfeld: You're right, ume-xephyr-start was removed. | 13:31 |
| * theseinfeld is not crazy then... | 13:31 | |
| theseinfeld | agoliveira, do you know why? | 13:31 |
| theseinfeld | :D | 13:31 |
| theseinfeld | or what is subsituting it? | 13:31 |
| agoliveira | theseinfeld: No idea, sorry. Looks more like an error. | 13:32 |
| theseinfeld | ok | 13:32 |
| theseinfeld | I will check with the uploader | 13:32 |
| theseinfeld | maintainer | 13:32 |
| theseinfeld | thanks | 13:32 |
| theseinfeld | then i fill a bug report :) | 13:32 |
| agoliveira | Great | 13:32 |
| lool | theseinfeld: Hey, I'm afraid we were sleeping in our timezone when you popped the issue | 14:18 |
| lool | I think inuka might have broken it with the latest ume-config-common upload | 14:18 |
| lool | I'll check with him | 14:18 |
| theseinfeld | lool thanks | 14:19 |
| theseinfeld | lool just to let you know :) | 14:19 |
| theseinfeld | lool actually I am quite active in ume | 14:19 |
| theseinfeld | lool i also applied for membership | 14:20 |
| theseinfeld | lool but you denied it :) | 14:20 |
| * theseinfeld sulks in the corner... | 14:20 | |
| persia | Which is broken again? I'm also seeing strange startup behaviour, but it may be different. | 14:21 |
| theseinfeld | ume-config-commong | 14:22 |
| theseinfeld | at least | 14:22 |
| theseinfeld | persia ... | 14:22 |
| theseinfeld | moreover there is that xf86-video-psb | 14:23 |
| theseinfeld | in the fsets | 14:23 |
| theseinfeld | that is named differently in ubuntu | 14:23 |
| theseinfeld | thank you moblin :) | 14:23 |
| theseinfeld | so this is more like a MIC issue | 14:23 |
| theseinfeld | :D | 14:23 |
| persia | Ah yes. The latest ume-config-common doesn't actually install the scripts. Looks like a typo. Testing a fix now... | 14:30 |
| theseinfeld | good | 14:34 |
| * theseinfeld likes persia... | 14:34 | |
| persia | theseinfeld: I should be thanking you. I've been hunting for the last hour as to why my device has no window manager on boot. The pointer is very much appreciated. | 14:35 |
| theseinfeld | persia, thanks | 14:35 |
| theseinfeld | i've been swearing here as well :) | 14:36 |
| theseinfeld | persia have to go now | 14:39 |
| theseinfeld | persia but I will be back tomorrow... | 14:39 |
| theseinfeld | cheers | 14:39 |
| lool | persia: Oh you're looking into ume-config-common? thanks! | 14:50 |
| lool | persia: Can you let inuka know if you fix it? | 14:51 |
| persia | lool: Just fixed. About to push to PPA. Should I notify by email? | 14:51 |
| lool | persia: inuka? Yeah email is good enough | 14:53 |
| lool | Or file a bug and assign to him | 14:53 |
| lool | But I told him to debdiff his .debs before upload, grah | 14:53 |
| persia | The upstream tarball is actually infected by the issue as well: everything is currently duplicated. I'll catch inuka by mail to cover details. | 14:54 |
| lool | duplicated? | 14:55 |
| persia | $(DESTDIR) was missing /debian/, so the build put the target in $(CURDIR). It looks like there was a test-run of the Makefile before tar creation, so the "build" results are in the tarball. | 14:56 |
| persia | Anyway, fixed version in the PPA: updated images should boot to hildon, rather than to default X (or at least it does so on my device). | 14:57 |
| lool | persia: THanks | 15:05 |
| agoliveira | persia: I would catch inuka by the throat instead of by email! :) | 15:08 |
| * persia is on the wrong side of the world for that :) | 15:08 | |
| agoliveira | persia: Yeah but one can dream, right? :) | 15:09 |
| Xiliath | so anybody been able to boot ume yet? | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | Xiliath: UME boots and runs, what's your problem? | 17:23 |
| Xiliath | well i downloaded it, made install on usb flash disc using moblin image creator, but i couldn't do any thing | 17:25 |
| Xiliath | so i downloaded the newest release version, of 8.04 UME and i kept getting an error for my broadcom chip saying the firmware wasn't installed | 17:25 |
| Xiliath | so i fixed that problem, but with the new version it finishes loading, and says Ubutnu UME tty1 | 17:26 |
| Xiliath | Login: | 17:26 |
| Xiliath | and the screen just flashes | 17:26 |
| Xiliath | i tried using xypher but all i get is a gray screen when i launch it, and i can't load UME from there | 17:29 |
| Xiliath | i tried live and live rw boots on flash discs | 17:30 |
| persia | Xiliath: Gray screen? Are you using the PPA repository? You might need to wait for a new ume-config-common to build. | 17:30 |
| Xiliath | you done a boot from flash? | 17:31 |
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| Xiliat1 | maybe i'll have better luck after they release 8.04 and officially realease UME | 17:36 |
| lool | Xiliat1: What hardware are you running on? | 17:38 |
| lool | Xiliat1: The builds we publish are aimed at specific hardware; it needs a lot of tweaking to run on other hardware | 17:38 |
| agoliveira | Xiliat1, Xiliath: and in case you didn't, I suggest you read the FAQ here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ | 17:42 |
| Xiliat1 | yeah i know | 17:44 |
| Xiliat1 | i tweaked the target rootfs so that my hardware would be better supported, i installed the 8.04 beta just so i could easily combine parts of my install with the target rootfs to make it all easier | 17:46 |
| Xiliat1 | i've read all the faqs and the wiki many times | 17:47 |
| Xiliat1 | i was amazed to find out a month or so ago about UME and have dove into working on it | 17:48 |
| Xiliat1 | agoliveira, you a developer for ubuntu mobile? | 17:58 |
| agoliveira | Xiliat1: Yes, I am. | 17:59 |
| Xiliat1 | is there a plan to port UME to ARM? | 17:59 |
| Xiliat1 | i know that 6.04 has been and 7.04 is being ported by a 3rd party | 18:00 |
| agoliveira | Xiliat1: There's the idea, but nothing planned. Nokia already ported a form of Ubuntu to ARM so you may want to take a look. | 18:00 |
| agoliveira | Xiliat1: It's not hard to port UME to ARM, we just don't have the manpower to do it right now. | 18:01 |
| Xiliat1 | yeah, i read about them doing it, for the N770 and 800 | 18:04 |
| prpplague | if someone is interested in port ume to arm, tincantools would be happy to donate either a hammer kit or nail board | 18:04 |
| Xiliat1 | what was the software nokia said they used to port most of ubuntu over to arm? | 18:05 |
| prpplague | davidm already has a nail board, but i'm not sure what he's planning to do with it | 18:06 |
| agoliveira | prpplague: This is something I want to do as a personal pet project, just don't have the time to do it now. | 18:06 |
| prpplague | agoliveira: we've alotted a few boards for porting projects so if someone is serious about doing the work we can donate a board | 18:09 |
| lool | prpplague: It looks a bit slow from my reading | 18:09 |
| agoliveira | prpplague: I would love to get one but unfortunately, right now, I can't promisse anything. | 18:10 |
| lool | 200 MHz is just plain slower than stuff you can find on the market; like Thecus | 18:10 |
| lool | 32 MB of SDRAM, we're not getting anywhere with that either :-/ | 18:10 |
| * agoliveira didn't look at the hardware | 18:10 | |
| prpplague | lool: probably compared to what most x86 folks think of clock cycles, yea, but performance wise it fits for most projects | 18:10 |
| prpplague | lool: i'm not familiar with Thecus, got a url? | 18:11 |
| lool | prpplague: We're just super far away from that envelope | 18:11 |
| agoliveira | lool: a 200Mh ARM will do I suppose. The RAM is indeed low. | 18:11 |
| lool | And to build something like Ubuntu, you got to plan some >= 512 MB RAM | 18:11 |
| lool | agoliveira: It "will do", you would need 50 of them though | 18:11 |
| lool | Ah I'm exagerrating, at least 20 I'd say | 18:12 |
| prpplague | lool / agoliveira yea its a different realm, "ram is indeed low", most of our customers are amazed at the size of the ram, hehe | 18:12 |
| agoliveira | lool: Don't be pushy :) | 18:12 |
| lool | prpplague: Sure http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/index.html | 18:12 |
| * prpplague looks | 18:12 | |
| lool | You can replace the RAM up to 512 MB RAM | 18:13 |
| lool | But that's probably too low for some corner packages | 18:13 |
| * agoliveira will now will retreat from the fun and return to those damn licenses | 18:13 | |
| prpplague | interesting | 18:13 |
| prpplague | different ballpark indeed | 18:13 |
| lool | It's closer to a real distribution than to an embedded one | 18:14 |
| prpplague | s/real/desktop | 18:14 |
| lool | If you like | 18:14 |
| prpplague | lool: so for you, something around 600MHz with 256MB sdram and 128MB flash would be more attractive? | 18:16 |
| prpplague | lool: and i assume you'd be doing more software dev than hardware dev | 18:16 |
| lool | prpplague: flash would still be a bit low to run UME; it's clearly not enough to build Ubuntu for ARM though | 18:16 |
| prpplague | lool: we thats just base flash, you can always add with things like sd cards | 18:17 |
| lool | prpplague: The current vague goals are 192 MB RAM, 500 MB storage | 18:18 |
| prpplague | pretty hefty | 18:18 |
| lool | prpplague: Depends on the usage; to actually build the distro, we need quite a lot of space, to run UME we would need some hundreds MB | 18:18 |
| lool | prpplague: That's just the base goal, but then some spins have higher constraints | 18:18 |
| lool | For storage | 18:18 |
| lool | Well stronger constraints I mean | 18:19 |
| lool | Like 200 MB | 18:19 |
| lool | But you can't really reduce the RAM consumption right now when you want user apps to be able to eat some RAM | 18:19 |
| Xiliat1 | 200mb is big for an embedded device | 18:19 |
| prpplague | indeed | 18:19 |
| lool | Well it's an embedded device where you run Firefox | 18:19 |
| lool | Or rather midbrowser in our case | 18:19 |
| lool | And you still have to allow people to run $custom_app which eats some RAM | 18:20 |
| Xiliat1 | i had the mid browser working on ubuntu 7.10, i actually liked the look and feel better than firefox 3 | 18:20 |
| lool | The main targets for UME are MIDs, not phones etc. | 18:20 |
| Xiliat1 | yeah i know though some of the mids do have phone capabilities | 18:20 |
| lool | Sure, what I mean is that the hardware expectations are not the one of typical phones | 18:21 |
| Xiliat1 | i can't seem to get mid browser to run on 8.04 | 18:21 |
| lool | (Where you typically find some MB of RAM, some MB of flash) | 18:21 |
| Xiliat1 | yeah | 18:21 |
| lool | That said I find the tincantools hardware cute | 18:22 |
| lool | It's probably not suited for running UME in its current form or building Ubuntu for ARM, but it's nice hardware nevertheless | 18:23 |
| prpplague | lool: thanks we have a whole line in waiting to be released, including 400 and 600 mhz devices | 18:23 |
| Xiliat1 | is that those in the list of devices in development, or a whole new set of devices for us to drool over? | 18:25 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: whole new set | 18:25 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: most of them are actually complete, just waiting to go into production | 18:26 |
| Xiliat1 | god, that makes me want to badger you with 50 questions, lol | 18:27 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: you are welcome to join #edev and ask, there are a number of tincantools product users there | 18:27 |
| Xiliat1 | yeah, but most my questions would be like, what, when, how much, ect... | 18:31 |
| prpplague | hehe, well most of them are on hold untill we see how much demand there is for these types of products | 18:33 |
| Xiliat1 | well, you need to generate demand | 18:33 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: yea, seeing how much there is starting with the hammer | 18:34 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: http://movial.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board , http://movial.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board | 18:35 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: 600Mhz and 400Mhz respectively | 18:35 |
| Xiliat1 | though these are samsung processors though no? | 18:36 |
| prpplague | yea | 18:36 |
| Xiliat1 | ok, i'm confused then, UME is not compiled for ARM though... | 18:37 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1:as i understand it right now, that is correct | 18:37 |
| Xiliat1 | so are you talking about running UME on these boards? | 18:39 |
| prpplague | we hope so in the future | 18:39 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: right now for GUI based stuff we are using familiar and angstrom distros | 18:41 |
| prpplague | Xiliat1: but the gentoo guys are also working on it too | 18:41 |
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| pk | hello i'm newbie | 19:32 |
| landley | pk: hello. | 19:33 |
| pk | hello | 19:35 |
| pk | /ms | 19:37 |
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| landley | pk: so what kind of stuff would you like to know? | 19:37 |
| landley | pk: I'm not typing that. :) | 19:37 |
| pavolklacansky | i want testing on desktop ubuntu mobile | 19:38 |
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