[01:49] <lool> dantalizing: Not sure I understand your question
[01:59] <lool> persia: Wow, does mobile-basic-flash work for you?
[02:00] <lool> persia: It's broken for most of us with xul 1.9
[02:22] <david88_lin>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 123456
[02:22] <david88_lin>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[03:06] <lool> david88_lin: Hmm I'm afraid this went out to the public
[03:06] <lool> david88_lin: You'd better change password now
[03:31] <david88_lin> I am changed. Thanks.
[06:20] <dholbach> good morning
[12:54] <persia> ﻿lool: It would be more accurate to say that I did not find any degradation with the updated ﻿mobile-basic-flash, and that the changes seemed reasonable (and helpful) from a textual review.
[13:04] <theseinfeld> Anybody knows why the ume-xephyr-start was removed from the ume-config-common package?
[13:07] <theseinfeld> lool any idea why the ume-config-common doesn't include the ume-xephyr-start?
[13:09] <phreekbird|work> so i just started reading about ume ... looks great, i am very impressed
[13:10] <phreekbird|work> just wanted to show my appreciation and let everyone know that its a great looking product ... keep up the good work!
[13:14] <theseinfeld> anybody here from the ubuntu-mobile team? davidm?
[13:15] <theseinfeld> so after doing the apt-get full-upgrade the ume-xephyr-start is gone
[13:15] <theseinfeld> i check the old backup to see that it was in the ume-config-common package and now that package doesn't have it
[13:15] <theseinfeld> if i start manually the xephyr and the hildon-desktop, boing
[13:15] <theseinfeld> core dump
[13:15] <theseinfeld> great success
[13:16] <theseinfeld> anybody knows what is going on?
[13:18] <theseinfeld> agoliveira, any idea?
[13:20]  * theseinfeld is sleeping...*snorrr* *snorrrrrr*
[13:21] <agoliveira> theseinfeld: Sorry, no idea.
[13:21] <theseinfeld> agoliveira, but you acknowledge that it is gone :) 
[13:22] <theseinfeld> I am not crazy :)
[13:22] <theseinfeld> right :)
[13:22] <agoliveira> theseinfeld: I don't know. I'm working on an unrelated urgent work since yesterday evening and didn't run UME since.
[13:22] <agoliveira> Let me turn on my Q1
[13:22] <theseinfeld> hardy in 1 day
[13:23] <agoliveira> Gah, sorry
[13:24] <agoliveira> theseinfeld: I'm updating an image. Let's see what happens.
[13:24] <theseinfeld> full-upgrade
[13:29] <theseinfeld> agoliveira let me know
[13:31] <agoliveira> theseinfeld: You're right, ume-xephyr-start was removed.
[13:31]  * theseinfeld is not crazy then...
[13:31] <theseinfeld> agoliveira, do you know why?
[13:31] <theseinfeld> :D
[13:31] <theseinfeld> or what is subsituting it?
[13:32] <agoliveira> theseinfeld: No idea, sorry. Looks more like an error.
[13:32] <theseinfeld> ok
[13:32] <theseinfeld> I will check with the uploader
[13:32] <theseinfeld> maintainer
[13:32] <theseinfeld> thanks
[13:32] <theseinfeld> then i fill a bug report :)
[13:32] <agoliveira> Great
[14:18] <lool> theseinfeld: Hey, I'm afraid we were sleeping in our timezone when you popped the issue
[14:18] <lool> I think inuka might have broken it with the latest ume-config-common upload
[14:18] <lool> I'll check with him
[14:19] <theseinfeld> lool thanks
[14:19] <theseinfeld> lool just to let you know :)
[14:19] <theseinfeld> lool actually I am quite active in ume
[14:20] <theseinfeld> lool i also applied for membership
[14:20] <theseinfeld> lool but you denied it :)
[14:20]  * theseinfeld sulks in the corner...
[14:21] <persia> Which is broken again?  I'm also seeing strange startup behaviour, but it may be different.
[14:22] <theseinfeld> ume-config-commong
[14:22] <theseinfeld> at least
[14:22] <theseinfeld> persia ...
[14:23] <theseinfeld> moreover there is that xf86-video-psb
[14:23] <theseinfeld> in the fsets
[14:23] <theseinfeld> that is named differently in ubuntu
[14:23] <theseinfeld> thank you moblin :)
[14:23] <theseinfeld> so this is more like a MIC issue
[14:23] <theseinfeld> :D
[14:30] <persia> Ah yes.  The latest ume-config-common doesn't actually install the scripts.  Looks like a typo.  Testing a fix now...
[14:34] <theseinfeld> good
[14:34]  * theseinfeld likes persia...
[14:35] <persia> theseinfeld: I should be thanking you.  I've been hunting for the last hour as to why my device has no window manager on boot.  The pointer is very much appreciated.
[14:35] <theseinfeld> persia, thanks
[14:36] <theseinfeld> i've been swearing here as well :)
[14:39] <theseinfeld> persia have to go now
[14:39] <theseinfeld> persia but I will be back tomorrow...
[14:39] <theseinfeld> cheers
[14:50] <lool> persia: Oh you're looking into ume-config-common?  thanks!
[14:51] <lool> persia: Can you let inuka know if you fix it?
[14:51] <persia> lool: Just fixed.  About to push to PPA.  Should I notify by email?
[14:53] <lool> persia: inuka?  Yeah email is good enough
[14:53] <lool> Or file a bug and assign to him
[14:53] <lool> But I told him to debdiff his .debs before upload, grah
[14:54] <persia> The upstream tarball is actually infected by the issue as well: everything is currently duplicated.  I'll catch inuka by mail to cover details.
[14:55] <lool> duplicated?
[14:56] <persia> $(DESTDIR) was missing /debian/, so the build put the target in $(CURDIR).  It looks like there was a test-run of the Makefile before tar creation, so the "build" results are in the tarball.
[14:57] <persia> Anyway, fixed version in the PPA: updated images should boot to hildon, rather than to default X (or at least it does so on my device).
[15:05] <lool> persia: THanks
[15:08] <agoliveira> persia: I would catch inuka by the throat instead of by email! :)
[15:08]  * persia is on the wrong side of the world for that :)
[15:09] <agoliveira> persia: Yeah but one can dream, right? :)
[17:22] <Xiliath> so anybody been able to boot ume yet?
[17:23] <agoliveira> Xiliath: UME boots and runs, what's your problem?
[17:25] <Xiliath> well i downloaded it, made install on usb flash disc using moblin image creator, but i couldn't do any thing
[17:25] <Xiliath> so i downloaded the newest release version, of 8.04 UME and i kept getting an error for my broadcom chip saying the firmware wasn't installed
[17:26] <Xiliath> so i fixed that problem, but with the new version it finishes loading, and says Ubutnu UME tty1
[17:26] <Xiliath> Login:
[17:26] <Xiliath> and the screen just flashes
[17:29] <Xiliath> i tried using xypher but all i get is a gray screen when i launch it, and i can't load UME from there
[17:30] <Xiliath> i tried live and live rw boots on flash discs
[17:30] <persia> Xiliath: Gray screen?  Are you using the PPA repository?  You might need to wait for a new ume-config-common to build.
[17:31] <Xiliath> you done a boot from flash?
[17:36] <Xiliat1> maybe i'll have better luck after they release 8.04 and officially realease UME
[17:38] <lool> Xiliat1: What hardware are you running on?
[17:38] <lool> Xiliat1: The builds we publish are aimed at specific hardware; it needs a lot of tweaking to run on other hardware
[17:42] <agoliveira> Xiliat1, Xiliath: and in case you didn't, I suggest you read the FAQ here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[17:44] <Xiliat1> yeah i know
[17:46] <Xiliat1> i tweaked the target rootfs so that my hardware would be better supported, i installed the 8.04 beta just so i could easily combine parts of my install with the target rootfs to make it all easier
[17:47] <Xiliat1> i've read all the faqs and the wiki many times
[17:48] <Xiliat1> i was amazed to find out a month or so ago about UME and have dove into working on it
[17:58] <Xiliat1> agoliveira, you a developer for ubuntu mobile?
[17:59] <agoliveira> Xiliat1: Yes, I am.
[17:59] <Xiliat1> is there a plan to port UME to ARM?
[18:00] <Xiliat1> i know that 6.04 has been and 7.04 is being ported by a 3rd party
[18:00] <agoliveira> Xiliat1: There's the idea, but nothing planned. Nokia already ported a form of Ubuntu to ARM so you may want to take a look.
[18:01] <agoliveira> Xiliat1: It's not hard to port UME to ARM, we just don't have the manpower to do it right now.
[18:04] <Xiliat1> yeah, i read about them doing it, for the N770 and 800
[18:04] <prpplague> if someone is interested in port ume to arm, tincantools would be happy to donate either a hammer kit or nail board
[18:05] <Xiliat1> what was the software nokia said they used to port most of ubuntu over to arm?
[18:06] <prpplague> davidm already has a nail board, but i'm not sure what he's planning to do with it
[18:06] <agoliveira> prpplague: This is something I want to do as a personal pet project, just don't have the time to do it now.
[18:09] <prpplague> agoliveira: we've alotted a few boards for porting projects so if someone is serious about doing the work we can donate a board
[18:09] <lool> prpplague: It looks a bit slow from my reading
[18:10] <agoliveira> prpplague: I would love to get one but unfortunately, right now, I can't promisse anything.
[18:10] <lool> 200 MHz is just plain slower than stuff you can find on the market; like Thecus
[18:10] <lool> 32 MB of SDRAM, we're not getting anywhere with that either  :-/
[18:10]  * agoliveira didn't look at the hardware
[18:10] <prpplague> lool: probably compared to what most x86 folks think of clock cycles, yea, but performance wise it fits for most projects
[18:11] <prpplague> lool: i'm not familiar with Thecus, got a url?
[18:11] <lool> prpplague: We're just super far away from that envelope
[18:11] <agoliveira> lool: a 200Mh ARM will do I suppose. The RAM is indeed low.
[18:11] <lool> And to build something like Ubuntu, you got to plan some >= 512 MB RAM
[18:11] <lool> agoliveira: It "will do", you would need 50 of them though
[18:12] <lool> Ah I'm exagerrating, at least 20 I'd say
[18:12] <prpplague> lool / agoliveira  yea its a different realm, "ram is indeed low", most of our customers are amazed at the size of the ram, hehe
[18:12] <agoliveira> lool: Don't be pushy :)
[18:12] <lool> prpplague: Sure http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/index.html
[18:12]  * prpplague looks
[18:13] <lool> You can replace the RAM up to 512 MB RAM
[18:13] <lool> But that's probably too low for some corner packages
[18:13]  * agoliveira will now will retreat from the fun and return to those damn licenses
[18:13] <prpplague> interesting
[18:13] <prpplague> different ballpark indeed
[18:14] <lool> It's closer to a real distribution than to an embedded one
[18:14] <prpplague> s/real/desktop
[18:14] <lool> If you like
[18:16] <prpplague> lool: so for you, something around 600MHz with 256MB sdram and 128MB flash would be more attractive?
[18:16] <prpplague> lool: and i assume you'd be doing more software dev than hardware dev
[18:16] <lool> prpplague: flash would still be a bit low to run UME; it's clearly not enough to build Ubuntu for ARM though
[18:17] <prpplague> lool:  we thats just base flash, you can always add with things like sd cards
[18:18] <lool> prpplague: The current vague goals are 192 MB RAM, 500 MB storage
[18:18] <prpplague> pretty hefty
[18:18] <lool> prpplague: Depends on the usage; to actually build the distro, we need quite a lot of space, to run UME we would need some hundreds MB
[18:18] <lool> prpplague: That's just the base goal, but then some spins have higher constraints
[18:18] <lool> For storage
[18:19] <lool> Well stronger constraints I mean
[18:19] <lool> Like 200 MB
[18:19] <lool> But you can't really reduce the RAM consumption right now when you want user apps to be able to eat some RAM
[18:19] <Xiliat1> 200mb is big for an embedded device
[18:19] <prpplague> indeed
[18:19] <lool> Well it's an embedded device where you run Firefox
[18:19] <lool> Or rather midbrowser in our case
[18:20] <lool> And you still have to allow people to run $custom_app which eats some RAM
[18:20] <Xiliat1> i had the mid browser working on ubuntu 7.10, i actually liked the look and feel better than firefox 3
[18:20] <lool> The main targets for UME are MIDs, not phones etc.
[18:20] <Xiliat1> yeah i know though some of the mids do have phone capabilities
[18:21] <lool> Sure, what I mean is that the hardware expectations are not the one of typical phones
[18:21] <Xiliat1> i can't seem to get mid browser to run on 8.04
[18:21] <lool> (Where you typically find some MB of RAM, some MB of flash)
[18:21] <Xiliat1> yeah
[18:22] <lool> That said I find the tincantools hardware cute
[18:23] <lool> It's probably not suited for running UME in its current form or building Ubuntu for ARM, but it's nice hardware nevertheless
[18:23] <prpplague> lool: thanks we have a whole line in waiting to be released, including 400 and 600 mhz devices
[18:25] <Xiliat1> is that those in the list of devices in development, or a whole new set of devices for us to drool over?
[18:25] <prpplague> Xiliat1: whole new set
[18:26] <prpplague> Xiliat1: most of them are actually complete, just waiting to go into production
[18:27] <Xiliat1> god, that makes me want to badger you with 50 questions, lol
[18:27] <prpplague> Xiliat1: you are welcome to join #edev and ask, there are a number of tincantools product users there
[18:31] <Xiliat1> yeah, but most my questions would be like, what, when, how much, ect...
[18:33] <prpplague> hehe, well most of them are on hold untill we see how much demand there is for these types of products
[18:33] <Xiliat1> well, you need to generate demand
[18:34] <prpplague> Xiliat1: yea, seeing how much there is starting with the hammer
[18:35] <prpplague> Xiliat1: http://movial.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board , http://movial.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board
[18:35] <prpplague> Xiliat1: 600Mhz and 400Mhz respectively
[18:36] <Xiliat1> though these are samsung processors though no?
[18:36] <prpplague> yea
[18:37] <Xiliat1> ok, i'm confused then, UME is not compiled for ARM though...
[18:37] <prpplague> Xiliat1:as i understand it right now, that is correct
[18:39] <Xiliat1> so are you talking about running UME on these boards?
[18:39] <prpplague> we hope so in the future
[18:41] <prpplague> Xiliat1: right now for GUI based stuff we are using familiar and angstrom distros
[18:41] <prpplague> Xiliat1: but the gentoo guys are also working on it too
[19:32] <pk> hello i'm newbie
[19:33] <landley> pk: hello.
[19:35] <pk> hello
[19:37] <pk> /ms
[19:37] <landley> pk: so what kind of stuff would you like to know?
[19:37] <landley> pk: I'm not typing that. :)
[19:38] <pavolklacansky> i want testing on desktop ubuntu mobile