[00:03] who whants what? [01:26] In #ubuntu-us-ky, etank said: !forget night [02:51] FYI: [02:51] 21:36 < DrDerek> I found a picture of SNuxoll when he heard the news I was with his mom the other night. [02:51] ... [02:51] 21:48 [msg(DrDerek)] your next "mom" comment is a permanent ban [02:51] 21:49 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] all right. [02:51] 21:49 [msg(DrDerek)] do you really need to be told thgat such stuff is unsuitable for -offtopic? [02:52] 21:49 [msg(DrDerek)] you've been around long enough to have read the CoC. please follow it. [02:52] 21:49 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] no, I dunno, just SNuxoll and I been messing around. [02:52] 21:50 [DrDerek(n=DrDerek@24-113-52-159.wavecable.com)] But I got you. [02:52] DrDerek is now on his last notice. [02:52] agreed [03:33] I need to take a break from babysitting #ubuntu or I'm going to go crazy [03:34] Pici, Take a break, I will watch things while you enjoy life a bit [03:34] See you in an hour or so? [03:35] Maybe [04:23] mneptok: he should already have been on his last notice. he's kagar. [05:32] Hobbsee: i either do not know or do not remember that nick [05:35] mneptok: look it up in the bantracker [06:45] crazy. #ubuntu is < 1200 [06:45] the awkward silence before the hurricane hits [06:45] yeah [06:46] took a couple days off. Trying to catch my breath [07:05] metabot? [07:13] no one's fixed pidgin for the default port. [07:15] :( [07:16] then again, it doesn't seem to do a default channel [07:53] !staff [07:53] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary, I could use a bit of your time :) [07:53] !staff [07:55] heh [07:55] where are the staff? [07:55] Hobbsee, either absent or /away [07:55] elky_work: i thought they found more people, so shouldn't ahve that problem. [07:56] you're assuming that they found the right people [07:57] elky_work: ubuntu+1 banlist is full. [07:57] Hobbsee, i'm not even in there [07:57] well. home is, but not here [07:59] guys, can you clear up your +1 bans please? === profoX_ is now known as profoX` [13:46] hi kids [13:46] Hiyas! [13:46] hey Tm_T [14:10] Pici: looks like the PPC factois is wrong [14:10] Pici: website says 6.06 is supported, not edgy [14:11] ikonia: Where on the wiki? It says 6.10 under the "Is Ubuntu supported on PowerPC?" heading [14:12] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [14:12] The PowerPC platform of computers is not supported by the newest versions of Ubuntu. However Ubuntu 6.06 is still supported and available for your machine [14:12] official builds are not available for powerpc, but community builds are [14:12] feisty is still supported on ppc I think, also [14:12] until October :| [14:12] ubuntu.com suggests only 6.06 [14:13] thoreauputic: i think feisty support ended some time ago [14:13] nalioth: shouldn't have - 7.04 is supported until 8.10 is it not? [14:13] not on ppc [14:14] ppc become community support so I don't think ubuntu every picked up 7.04 ? [14:14] still seeing updates for feisty on ppc here [14:14] thoreauputic: from the community, not canonical [14:14] does the community manage those repos now though ? [14:14] nalioth: perhaps so [14:15] thoreauputic: there is no doubt of it. [14:15] the latest ppc hardy desktop iso doesn't actually boot here - or perhaps it would if I used init=/bin/sh or something [14:15] thoreauputic: powerpc support officially ended with edgy [14:16] nalioth: maybe an updated on the website rather than the factoid is needed [14:16] nalioth: Yes, I know. I was thinking that the builds were still cranking out ppc versions of canonical supported stuff, but you are no doubt right [14:18] thoreauputic: ppc will get all of the updates that i386 and amd64 get.. [14:18] Fujitsu: but from who ? [14:18] Just it won't block releases, nor get commercial support. [14:18] From whoever performs the updates. [14:18] Fujitsu: that's what I have been seeing [14:18] ikonia: the community [14:18] nalioth: No, from whoever performs the updates. [14:19] so canonical will still package ppc updates and release them but "your on your own" [14:19] nalioth: For a moment I thought my brain had short-circuited ;) [14:20] ikonia: ppc builds of everything are automatically attempted. Nobody has to intervene. [14:21] Fujitsu: You are involved with mplayer - am I right? [14:21] Fujitsu: perfect, thank you [14:21] thoreauputic: Unfortunately. [14:21] Fujitsu: heh [14:22] Fujitsu: do you happen to know if the PPC bugs have been sorted out? I rolled my own here, but the packaged version had a problem with my iBook [14:22] ie. mplayer [14:23] thoreauputic: mplayer will always need to be locally compiled for ppc [14:23] The lack of altivec, or something different? [14:23] nalioth: Why? [14:23] nalioth: umm.... I don't think so [14:23] thoreauputic: not sure what "bugs" you're talking about, but the standard ubuntu build is missing lots of codecs due to licensing [14:23] `lots'? [14:23] nalioth: not the issue I'm talking about [14:23] I must be missing those darn configure flags. [14:24] Because I don't see much disabled. [14:24] And I maintain the thing. [14:24] nalioth: and mplayer plays practically anything using ffmpeg [14:25] nalioth: as evidenced by my live CD (INX) which happily plays windows media and real media without all those evile w32codecs [14:25] nalioth: Licensing isn't an issue at all any more - patents are in some circumstances, which is why we have it in multiverse. [14:26] Fujitsu: indeed, the x86 version plays pretty much anything I've been able to find... [14:26] Fujitsu: I thought it still disabled some encoders for mencoder [14:26] thoreauputic: The only arch-specific configure flags are for CPU detection. [14:26] And svgalib, I guess. [14:26] Amaranth: Hmm, possibly one or two. [14:27] Fujitsu: right, the bug was to do with altivec and cpu detection IIRC [14:27] Yes, that's a hardy one. [14:27] *hard [14:27] mplayer requires altivec [14:27] Fujitsu: I recall benh had a fix ( this was ages ago) [14:27] Particularly as I don't have a PPC machine at all. [14:27] g3 is pre-2000, isn't it? [14:27] Amaranth: Not if I disable altivec. [14:28] Fujitsu: then my g4 loses accelerated yuv->rgb conversion [14:28] Amaranth: It's *meant* to be able to autodetect it, IIRC> [14:28] But fails miserably. [14:28] Amaranth: the problem appears to be that mplayer wants to ID the cpu at runtime. Rolling your own seems to get around the issue on ppc [14:28] But your statement about mplayer requiring Altivec is false. [14:36] Fujitsu: Am I right in thinking that a separately built ppc deb of mplayer made on a G4 iBook would not beincluded in the repos even if it were offered? [14:37] ..sorry I know this isn't the dev channel... [14:37] That is one of the more evil suggestions I've seen recently. [14:37] We do not do binary uploads. [14:37] heheh [14:37] That is a bad idea. [14:37] no no that's not what I meamt [14:37] I meant a proper deb with source etc [14:38] deb with source is an oxymoron. [14:39] Fujitsu: are you deliberately being pedantic? I mean: source code + dsc + debian stuff as correct + binary deb [14:39] :| [14:39] We don't do binary uploads. [14:40] All binaries are built on the buildds, or nowhere at all.l [14:40] OK so what you object to is the inclusion of the binary - all the source has to be identical, is that correct? [14:40] Fujitsu: OK I see - fair enough [14:40] No, I don't object to it: policy (both social and technical) forbids it. [14:41] please please please release hardy now [14:41] Fujitsu: so such a build would have to be in a separate repo - sort of like Christian Marillat's repos. right? [14:41] ikonia: I was JUST typing something to that effect [14:41] Yes. And that would get you looked on badly. [14:42] Best to fix the Ubuntu package. [14:42] Get the Altivec detection working. [14:42] Fujitsu: Agreed [14:42] Fujitsu: I personally don't have the expertise to do that, unfortunately [14:42] Have you tried Hardy? [14:43] Fujitsu: I'm running hardy, but not on pppc yet [14:43] Although labelled as a second release candidate, MPlayer 1.0rc2 has huge changes. [14:43] Enough to warrant a major version bump, really. [14:43] So it might be fixed. [14:43] interesting [14:43] But you never know what those strange, strange mplayer undevelopers are doing. [14:43] Fujitsu: heheh - I know what you mean :) [14:44] They take a year between release candidates and rewrite half the build system and rearrange all of the libraries. Makes so much sense. [14:45] Fujitsu: in spite of that, they've managed to produce a rather impressive piece of software. They even seem to be *slightly* less arrogant than they were a few years ago ;-) [14:45] They still maintain that ffmpeg doesn't need releases. [14:45] Nor a stable ABI. [14:45] *API [14:46] Fujitsu: so basically, it's a nightmare maintaining it, right? [14:46] Pretty much. [14:47] And the frequent security updates don't help. [14:47] And it has about as many dependencies as anything can have. [14:48] I get the impression they want it to do *everything* including putting the cat out and washing the dishes [14:50] That's a bit of a conservative estimate of their problem domain. [14:50] :D [14:54] Fujitsu: well, just for the record, in case you thought I was complaining - you are doing a good job with mplayer on the supported archs :) So thanks... [14:55] Some people don't care about other archs - it only build on i386 and amd64 after somebody else made a change. [14:57] powerpc has always been the red-headed-stepchild, anyway [14:58] And then there's hppa. And ia64. [14:58] I noticed that Debian Sid has mplayer in main - did Debian strip out patent-encumbred stuff to do that? [14:58] Could we please clear some bans out of #ubuntu+1 [14:58] Pici: Bah, it'll be closed in 24 hours. [14:58] 24 long hours [14:59] I can't even mute a flooding user because the ban list is full [14:59] They'll be longer if more people are let in. [14:59] Aha. [14:59] Pici: use /remove [14:59] nalioth: I did [14:59] * nalioth thinks we are using the banstick FAR TOO MUCH for teh stupidest stuff [15:00] It was going to be a mute until they stopped pasting [15:00] a /remove stops pasting [15:00] Indeed. [15:01] most pastes are accidential or out of ignorance [15:01] a /remove and a !tell so-n-so about pastebin usually suffices [15:02] Yep, that would have worked tooo [15:02] we have gotten far away from what Ubuntu stands for [15:04] nalioth: I only would have kept the mute on until the user stopped the paste, while also giving them the !paste factoid. I don't really see a difference between doing that and removing them from the channel with the same message. [15:04] Enlighten me if there is a difference. [15:05] a /remove doesn't take up a ban slot. a /remove doen'st require any more action on your part. what if the person pasted something extraordinarilly long? what if the person pasted something extraordinarilly short? [15:05] Pici: I think nalioth's observation was meant generally, not directed at you [15:05] a /remove allows them to come back on their initiative, not anyone elses [15:06] i can understnad if this was efnet or somwehere w/o the services freenode offers [15:07] nalioth: Makes sense, I'll try to do that from now on then :) [15:07] Oh, I already have /paste aliased to do just that /me smacks his forehead [15:08] the only down side I can see is that the /remove needs to be immediate, so the !tell foo about paste is only seen if the user rejoins? [15:08] !tell thoreauputic about paste [15:08] thoreauputic: No, tell foo about stuff sends a pm [15:09] ah of course... OK my mistake === ubot3` is now known as ubot3 [15:20] In ubotu, Mimi said: When is hardy going to be released? [15:21] .... [15:21] haha [15:23] Is publishing pool URLs a capital offense yet? [15:23] likely [15:23] Fujitsu: there's no indication that they're final, yet [15:24] I'm aware. [15:24] And the pool is even empty. [15:24] But people are still publishing URLs.. kill! [15:25] i presume that they'll only push to pool when they're sure they're done [15:26] Right, but then people will publish the URLs, and thousands of people will slow down the mirroring. [15:26] As well as publicising the release early. [15:26] Which is why they're in .pool in the first place. [15:27] Fujitsu: yeesh. public channels and al... [15:27] * PriceChild covers everyone's eyes [15:27] Fujitsu: that being said, they don't hit .pool until they're known final, do they? [15:27] Not usually. [15:28] didn't think so [15:42] yay [15:42] message added to the .pool [15:42] that'll help a litle [15:43] unless they link directly to the isos [15:46] could someone in #ubuntu+1 check why I parted ? [15:46] I've just noticed I left the channel without me meaning to [15:46] ikonia: connection reset by peer @ 17:42:11 (its 10:47:06 now) [15:47] Pici: thanks, thats odd, just one channel [15:47] so, yesterday I suppose [15:47] not to worry, thank you [15:50] would it not be better to scp the files to each mirror, and keep the directory forbidden from the web? [15:53] block all hardy repos [15:53] please [15:53] until launch [15:53] Lets turn off Freenode and until the release [15:53] even better [15:54] * Hobbsee changes the topic [15:54] heh [16:01] someone should put a file on the servers containing nothing but "Wait until it is ready" over and over, and call it Ubuntu-8.04.iso [16:01] :) [16:02] or "This is where the iso would be if you waited until we released it" [16:03] and then limit the upload speed to 20k/s, so it would take everyone hours to get [16:04] argh, no. [16:04] people are still testing it [16:04] and it's slow already. [16:05] Seeker`: that is genius ! [16:06] are the hardy final servers the same as all the other isos? [16:06] shouldn't be [16:06] oh servers [16:06] thought you meant images [16:06] servers? [16:07] there must be a wy of getting isos to the mirrors without having them publicly accessible to the web [16:07] change the permissions on them [16:07] sneakernet [16:07] Seeker`: there isn't. [16:07] not really [16:07] Hobbsee: why not? [16:07] Seeker`: not unless you're going to whitelist all the IP's or something [16:07] scp? [16:08] each mirror sends an ssh key or something [16:08] the files get scpd over, and dont have to go anywhere near the public facing webserver [16:08] * Hobbsee snorts [16:08] getting ssh access into canonical isn't esay. [16:09] or canonical can scp over to the mirrors [16:11] Hobbsee, ssh access into canonical is easy. It's getting out that's hard (or so I've heard) [16:12] Mez: then why don't i have it? [16:13] Hobbsee, I meant there are routes in if you have the credentials - but it's harder to get out ;) [16:13] Mez: sure, for loco machines and that. [16:13] Mez: i meant for core canonical ones [16:14] Hobbsee, ssh'ing into them is probably easy (if you're within the internal network) [16:14] Mez: sure, it's just getting into chinstrap.... [16:15] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4771691#post4771691 [16:15] Hobbsee, sit outside the office and crack the Wireless wep key ? :P [16:15] I've added a notice like that regarding pool URLs and Hardy [16:15] Mez: haha [16:15] jdong, btw - grats on the vB upgrade ;) [16:15] how's the policy here regarding such activities? [16:15] Mez: it's certainly fun [16:15] :D [16:16] jdong, you have NO idea... [16:16] Mez: load averages above 220 are SEXY [16:16] jdong - you're getting high load averages? [16:16] It's not noticable from outside. [16:16] Mez: ridiculously high before Ryan restored some tweaks [16:16] what tweaks? [16:17] Mez: right after the upgrade we were sustaining close to 100-200 [16:17] * Mez would be interested in seeing some of them [16:17] Mez: caching the CSS, offloading database reads to a 2nd server [16:17] jdong, ah... [16:17] Mez: i.e. tweaks that we wouldn't need if Canonical gives us properly powered equipment [16:17] jdong, hehe - do you have access to the code? [16:17] Mez: go tell a vB community 1/4 our size that we are given one frontend webserver and one database server with less than 4GiB combined RAM [16:17] Mez: they will point and laugh. [16:17] * Seeker` still thinks there must be better ways of doing the distribution [16:18] Seeker`: oh we can ALWAYS do it the Redhat way, block access to everyone else not on a mirror whitelist [16:19] why not do that? [16:19] Seeker`: it's not very open in spirit. [16:19] Seeker`: why don't we offer premium download slots to Ubuntu members while we're at it too? [16:19] Great idea [16:19] RapidUbuntuShare! [16:21] jdong: there is a difference between premium download slots and stopping people screwing over the bandwidth on the servers before they can be distributed to the mirrors [16:23] !party needs updating [16:23] jdong: I'm not suggesting doing it full time, just while stuff is being pushed to mirrors [16:23] !party [16:23] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Gutsy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseParties [16:23] ^ see [16:24] !party =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/g [16:24] In #ubuntu-ops, Pici said: !party =~ s/Gutsy/Hardy/g [16:24] dumb bot [16:25] In ubotu, thoreauputic said: party is [reply] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties [16:25] popey: fixed [16:25] cool [16:25] Umm not quite [16:25] !hardy [16:25] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Support in #ubuntu+1 - Come join the #ubuntu-release-party now! [16:25] !party [16:25] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties [16:26] thoreauputic: why not? [16:26] ah OK looks right now [16:26] :) [16:26] Also, ubotu doesnt support /g [16:26] ? /g ? [16:27] thoreauputic: for applying replacement regexes globally [16:27] s/x/y/g [16:27] Oh you mean it won't do two changes with s/ /g [16:27] or maybe I have the syntax wrong [16:27] right [16:43] not that anyone reads the topic anyway though [16:45] channels have a topic? [16:55] im having issues [16:55] first my google is messed up now I can't join #ubuntu [16:56] when I try to sign into google I get.. secure connection failed, invalid security certificate [16:56] now I can't join #ubuntu... can anyone help me [16:58] d4t4min3r, I dont see any bans matching you in there [16:58] Seveas, be nice if /cs bans returned a "no bans found" if there are none found [16:59] FloodBot1: d4t4min3r: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions. [17:00] I can't login to google either [17:00] (Error code: sec_error_expired_certificate) [17:00] d4t4min3r, read the topic then [17:00] I did [17:00] and it won't let me type [17:00] test me [17:00] one sec [17:00] !staff | seldaank07@ [17:01] hmm, ubotu ? [17:01] d4t4min3r, try now [17:01] gone,thanks [17:01] <+FloodBot1> d4t4min3r has requested an exploit test [17:02] <+FloodBot1> d4t4min3r has been removed from the exploit quarantine [17:02] yep, you're in [17:02] yeah [17:02] I don't know what's wrong with google [17:02] I keep getting that error [17:03] restarted him [18:08] thoreauputic: a mute? [18:09] Pici: yes [18:09] Pici: I will remove it [18:09] but the guy was continuing [18:10] OK he needs a ban I think... [18:11] thoreauputic: done [18:11] Pici: yes thanks - you beat me to it :) [18:12] Ugh, the trolls/clueless users are out in full force today [18:12] Pici: oh yes... the madness is always higher at release time [18:13] everyone goes nuts simultaneously :) [18:13] odd [18:13] 13:10:41 Speedy sent 4.5 messages while muted [18:14] Heh - right - then I unmuted him. I should have left it... [18:14] how does the bot figure half a message ? [18:14] :) [18:15] No idea [18:15] First time I've ever seen that [18:15] heheh - the bots are mad too it seems [18:19] algul is privmsg spamming users in #ubuntu. I kicked him. [18:21] ah I saw the kick - thanks for the explanation [18:22] tomaw: you didn't ban him? A kick means he can return... [18:23] if he continues to spam I'll ban him from the network anyway [18:23] I think tomaw knows what a ban does ;) [18:23] tomaw: right - I didn't look at your /whois :) [18:24] Pici: indeed :) [18:24] :) === nixternal is now known as lanretxin === lanretxin is now known as nixternal [20:16] haha, #ubuntu is spiting my comment of last night. We've jumped by almost 300 nicks since then. [20:17] #ubuntu+1 is also hitting record population levels today [20:18] just try to keep them relevant to testing [20:18] I'm trying [20:19] gl :) [20:19] I think the offtopicness has migrated itself to -release-party [20:45] did anyone get spam from susanno ? [20:45] susanoo sorry [20:45] not me [20:46] 18:36 join yellowdog [20:46] I'll take it to freenode [20:48] Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud! [20:48] ubotu is again restarting [20:48] I had to disable the bantracker [20:48] oh dear [20:49] Seveas, I'll chase on the exception [20:50] it simply couldn't take it anymore, sqlite isn't built for what I threw at it [20:51] database *should* be intact, but I cannot check right now [21:03] -r-p is over 200 now. probably time to start babysitting. [21:12] tonyyarusso: invent a new game. Someone gets a mute every minute that lasts for 10 minutes [21:14] * PriceChild wonders where the code for that xkcd bot is [21:15] If I plan to get any work done, it's better if I don't do any babysitting [21:18] PriceChild, :D [21:19] Someone knows which one I'm talking about. [21:20] PriceChild: i could prolly get it [21:20] PriceChild: what does it do?o? [21:20] http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/ [21:21] (source etc. is there also) [21:44] please fix ubotu in #ubuntu I'm bored of typing manually "hardy" [21:48] ikonia: join a clone called "hardy", then tab complete [21:48] Seeker`: nice idea, but I meant the whole "hi, hardy is discussed in #ubuntu+1 please take you discussion there" [21:49] use !hardy? [21:49] bot is dead [21:49] give it a while to re-join all the channels [21:50] ah, ok [22:09] !party [22:09] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Hardy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseParties [22:09]