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cab86no errors, just a bunch of warnings, but some warnings look concerning00:00
kebi wonder if this should be so: (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"00:01
cab86I originaly had some issues trying to get a working xorg file, therefore I used an old one from the time The system was working fine with the previous ati drivers and i was able to --initial -f00:02
cab86it used to tell me that the xorg file was invalid (something)00:03
kebdid you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"  at some point?00:07
kebit would generate a new xorg.conf file00:07
cab86yep, but it would claim that file was also invalid00:09
kebit might well have been00:10
kebthere might be a way to completely reinstall xorg so you get a fresh start on that00:11
cab86since this last weekend i isntalled and uninstalled the drivers in different ways, some successfuly, other w/o sucess.. from different sources...    after looking at the different xorg files i noticed that the ones configured for the ati driver were all pretty much the same00:11
maxamillionTheSheep: ping00:11
cab86now when I say successfuly, i mean that they worked in sudo mode...00:11
cab86because ever since I upped to hardy, i have not been able to get these working fine in regular user mode00:12
kebcab86 did you check the launchpad bugs re: ATI drivers00:12
cab86well, i didn't go through that specificaly,   I googled... and did find some of those.. (similar ones)00:13
cab86similar bugs but those fixes (the permission related ones) did not apply to my case00:14
kebit is possible there is a bug in Hardy wrt ATI video and the dev team should be informed.  one of them might be able to help you with a workaround too00:15
cab86because i did them and still didn't do anything...00:15
zellfaz1i have returned00:15
zellfaz1sorry if i am interupting anything00:15
cab86the most weird thing is that the issue is the same using the drivers from the repos, and ATI, both 8.3 and 8.4.. I even installed them using envy00:16
zellfaz1i have a problem that has to do with a makefile, is anyone able to help00:16
cab86what does the makefile not make? maybe i can help...00:16
zellfaz1yes thats it00:16
zellfaz1Linking pmars00:17
zellfaz1/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvgagl00:17
zellfaz1collect2: ld returned 1 exit status00:17
zellfaz1make: *** [pmars] Error 100:17
zellfaz1i think i needed to edit a line in the make file and not just uncomment it00:17
zellfaz1should i show the area i think has the problem?00:17
cab86paste the makefile here  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/00:17
kebzellfaz1 you might be missing a development library00:18
cab86or that.. :P00:18
zellfaz1http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/00:18
zellfaz1i made sure that i got SVGA00:19
zellfaz1You will need the Linux SVGA library (libvga) version 1.12 or above  to compile pMARS for Linux (it may work with older libraries, but  I have not had an opportunity to test it).00:21
zellfaz1thats from the readme00:22
zellfaz1 You will have to link with -lvgagl -lvga. makefile already contains        a sample definition of LIB with these libraries.00:22
zellfaz1again from the readme00:22
kebzellfaz1 did you install libsvga1-dev ?00:25
zellfaz1no00:25
zellfaz1one moment while i install it00:25
kebfor each runtime library, there is a development version for compiling progs etc00:26
cab86also, i don't know if this will help, but it seems someone had a similar issue before http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50649-13-cant-compile-pmars00:26
zellfaz1i saw that00:27
zellfaz1it didnt look like the problem at the time00:27
zellfaz1earlier i had a problem with even figuring out what to do in the first place00:27
zellfaz1collect2: ld returned 1 exit status00:27
zellfaz1make: *** [pmars] Error 100:27
zellfaz1it still doesnt make00:28
kebyou'll have to scroll back to find where the actual error is00:29
zellfaz1any other ideas?00:29
zellfaz1ok00:29
zellfaz1one moment00:29
psychwill xubuntu install cd turn on wifi and etc?00:29
zellfaz1i think so00:30
kebit always did before00:30
zellfaz1keb in the output it gave i didnt see anything noteworthy execpt a lot of undefined reference to00:30
kebzellfaz1 what was the first of those00:31
zellfaz1sim.c:(.text+0x2b3): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle'00:32
cab86alright kiddos, good bye... i'm gonna give my ati issue a try some other day00:34
kebzellfaz1 are you intending to use the compiled program on a console or in an X Window?00:37
zellfaz1most likely through a terminal window00:37
zellfaz1although i can use the console if i need too00:38
kebyou may be missing the X development libraries too00:41
kebdoes that program have a configure script?  it is supposed to check all those dependencies00:41
zellfaz1it does have a configure script i think00:43
zellfaz1config.h?00:43
zellfaz1should i send?00:43
kebno just configure00:44
kebconfigure generates the config.h00:44
psychis 20gb enough ?00:44
zellfaz1yes00:44
psychis there an option between lilo or grub?00:44
zellfaz1keb i have no configure script, just config.h00:44
zellfaz1psych i dont think there is00:44
zellfaz1i am prety sure you are given grub00:45
psychwhich one it uses?00:45
psychic00:45
zellfaz1grub00:45
zellfaz1there may be a package to change that, i have never looked00:45
kebit might have an autogen.sh script or some other mechanism to customize itself to the platform it is on00:45
zellfaz1i dont see any00:46
zellfaz1just a bunch of .h files .c files and .o files00:46
kebok let me look at that makefile00:48
zellfaz1http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/00:49
kebyep got it from above00:49
kebthanks00:49
kebif you want to use this program in a window, you have to uncomment the X11 line00:49
zellfaz1uncommented00:50
kebinstead of the linux/svga line ;)00:50
zellfaz1should i recomment that line?00:50
kebyes00:51
keband you might have to install the X development libs00:51
zellfaz1i think i have those installed00:51
kebok, then do a "make clean" and "make"00:52
zellfaz1it worked00:56
zellfaz1should i run make install now?00:56
kebyou could but i don't see an install target in the makefiule00:57
kebjust run it from where it is00:57
psychive 2gb ram00:57
keb ./pmars00:57
kebpsych : nice00:57
psychis 1gb of swap enough?00:57
psychi remember when using 512mb00:58
zellfaz1ya00:58
psychit was almost never used00:58
zellfaz11 gb swap is plenty00:58
zellfaz1your swap should be about half as much ram as you have00:58
kebpsych : i think if you want to do hibernation you need at least as much swap as RAM00:58
psychoic00:59
kebif you don't need hibernate, then almost any swap is good with that much ram00:59
zellfaz1thanks keb for your help00:59
psychidont think i wanna hibern.00:59
psychty guys00:59
psychgonna cut my ntfs partition00:59
psychand boot xubuntu cd00:59
kebif you just want to try xubuntu, i think you can even install it into a folder in the ntfs partition.  not sure how though01:01
psychhmm01:01
psychi was using gentoo last time01:01
psychxfce is very good01:01
psychand now i wanna try something near my old debian :)01:02
shane2peruhey I'm new to this xubuntu desktop, can anyone tell me how to see if my sound is setup?01:11
shane2peruI installed a server and then xubuntu-desktop01:11
kebput in a music cd01:11
kebit should also have played a short sound at the login screen01:12
shane2peruwell, I mean I'm very used to gnome and usually click on the little speaker in the panel, however it isn't there.01:12
shane2perukeb: hmm, I think I'm missing something then :)01:12
kebyou can check Applications -> Settings -> Mixer01:13
shane2perukeb: ha ha, nope, no Mixer option, must be a missing package, I did install 8.0401:13
shane2peruany idea on what the package name is?01:13
shane2perubrb01:14
keboh, the menus might be different. dunno01:14
shane2perukeb: that is where I would think it would be too, just not used to xfce01:18
shane2peruit isn't in system either. :(01:18
kebif you type lspci does it see your sound card?01:21
keb*chipset01:21
shane2peruyes, it appears when I do the lspci01:25
shane2perutraditionally Ubuntu has always setup my sound correctly, keb01:25
kebok do the sound modules show up when you type lsmod ?01:25
kebhmm01:25
kebso it is just the deskop stuff that isnt working?01:25
keb*desktop01:25
shane2peruright, it does show up there.  appears to be just desktop stuff, not setup correctly01:26
shane2peruI have tried xubuntu before, but thought it was ugly, I must say it has gotten nicer looking. :)01:28
shane2peruexcept my clock and notifier are not in the right spot, they are pushed up against my menu, hmm?01:32
kebno doubt they can be moved01:33
shane2perukeb: do you drag them like in Gnome?  They didn't move when I tried that.01:35
kebsome of them you can right-clikc and select Move01:36
shane2peruyeah, doesn't work, well, when I get done installing all of my 400mb of downloads I will do another update01:37
shane2peruand try and find that sound package for xfce01:38
psychrehi02:11
psychseemed wifi worked02:12
psychit found my lan02:12
keb:)02:12
psychbut after i l/p02:12
psychno ip in eth102:12
kebcrikey. it takes forever to do the "Storing language..." part of Base system installation, on an old system02:14
shane2peruhey how do I enable compiz on xubuntu?03:36
kebhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=comp-menu.png03:47
shane2peruthanks keb03:51
kebcheers03:52
shane2perucan the square thing be enabled?03:56
shane2peruahh, I'll figure it out tomorrow. thanks again for the help keb I'm outta here.04:03
* shane2peru runs off to get some sleep04:03
kebnite04:03
zoredache!codecs06:24
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aladois  new xubuntu also coming out tomorrow, or is it just ubuntu?10:06
keblol. 8 hours later, xubuntu 8.04 install is still "Configuring language-pack-en-base"12:57
kebi guess it isnt meant to run on 64MB of RAM12:57
aronHo13:30
aronAnyone have any knowledge about webserver etc?13:30
TheSheeparon: yes, why?13:39
TheSheep!anyone13:39
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?13:39
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clintc_I have an old Thinkpad e90 - it's got a pII running at 333mhertz and 132megs of ram - would xubuntu run decently on this old laptop?15:51
maxamillionclintc_: yes15:51
TheSheepclintc_: depends on what you want to do on it, movies might be a little jumpy ;)15:52
maxamillionclintc_: certain "heavier" applications will show a little lag and i would be sure to make a decent sized swap partition15:52
maxamillionah yes ... movies15:52
maxamillionTheSheep: !15:52
maxamillion:D15:52
TheSheepshould be no problem if you are used to comic books though ;)15:52
maxamillionclintc_: you will need the alternate installer15:52
maxamillionoh, gotta run ... have a meeting15:52
clintc_probably would stick to audio media, web surfing, email, etc..15:53
clintc_why will I need the alternate installer?15:53
TheSheepclintc_: the livecd installer needs more ram15:54
clintc_TheSheep: ah ok... that makes sense15:54
TheSheepyou see, livecd already takes a lot of ram, running an installer in it takes even more15:54
clintc_should I go for the latest release or use 7.10?15:55
clintc_to clarify - should I use the imminent new release 8.04 or stick to the tried and true 7.10?15:58
TheSheepclintc_: it's released tomorrow16:06
TheSheepclintc_: and it's going to be a long time support release (at least in Ubuntu), so this might mean it will be more stable16:06
clintc_TheSheep: right... just looking for some opinions about which release to use... 132megs is pretty tight... new stuff tends to be heavier16:07
clintc_if the 8.04 memory footprint is a lot bigger than 7.10, I would like to use it16:07
clintc_c/is a lot/is not a lot/16:08
TheSheepwell, I switched to 64 bits with 8.04, so the footprint is bigger, but not necessarily because of the release16:08
TheSheepthe new firefox is much lighter though16:08
clintc_wow a new browser release that is lighter - I think that may be a first :)16:09
cody-somervilleAlmost all the testing required to release Xubuntu 8.04 is done!! Help fill in the gap at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all !! :)16:20
TheSheepall testers get a an iso image of xubuntu for free!16:24
cody-somerville:D16:24
siggjenSIGN ME ON! (:16:25
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S0210Hi! I use Hardy. How can I find a file? Is there a general purpose file name searcher?19:09
Stroganoffyes19:24
psychis there any new version comming soon ?19:25
totalwormfacenew version of what?19:27
psychxubuntu19:27
totalwormfacein april :]19:27
totalwormfaceso yes, very soon19:28
danielmtomorrow :)19:28
totalwormfacelol19:28
* totalwormface didn't know the exact date19:28
psychdanielm, xubuntu too ?19:28
Geoffrey2anyone know when FF 2.0.0.14 might be available in the Xubuntu repositories?20:55
zoredacheGeoffrey2: accouring to packages.ubuntu.com it is there already20:57
Geoffrey2ok, thanks....update manager was insisting there was no update, so I did an apt-get update and then it found the newer version21:04
Hameleon_Xby the way, when xubuntu 8.04 is going to be available?21:14
cody-somervilleHameleon_X, It is being released tomorrow21:23
Hameleon_Xthanks21:27
floatingis a virtual machine portable ?21:45
floatingif i make a virtual machine, can i use it elsewhere... oh well, i guess it takes like 4gb minimum though21:45
floatinglike its 1 file that i can open up elsewhere with its settings in place ?21:45
grothesk_Hi!21:49
grothesk_What is going to be the default image viewer in xubuntu Hardy?21:49
cody-somervillegrothesk_, Ristretto21:59
grothesk_thx22:00
thinkmassivefloating: yes, that is correct22:02
thinkmassiveyou can make the hard disk image any size you want, and you can set it to only allocate space as necessary22:03
x1250I installed xfce4 metapackage, but have no sound. I installed pulseaudio server, but I still have no sound. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, too bloated for me22:05
x1250xfce4-mixer looks ok22:09
zoredachewhy not install the xubuntu-desktop and see if things work... you could do a dpkg --get-selections before installing so you'll know what was added22:10
x1250yup, I'll do that22:12
nakorai use xubuntu 7.0 and i want to deinstall dvd + rw-tools, but he says, he must remove xubuntu-desktop as well... is it wise, to do that?22:30
nakorai dont have any optical drive, so i wont use this ever.. but whats with the xubuntu desktop?22:31
grothesk_Just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prior to any upgrade to upcoming versions of xubuntu.22:34
floatinghow should i proceed with this situation: i have a xubuntu on ext3 partition on begin of disk. it has 3.3gb used and 80mb free space. then i have 12gb free space in the end of disk. if i just make a ext3 partition there, i will eventually(soon) end in troubles when i install stuff, since many apt-get points to this ext3 where xubuntu root is22:37
nakorawell.. everything looks the same it was before... whats the xubuntu-desktop for?22:39
quittthello23:03
quittthow do I edit my XFCE menu?23:03
quitttI want to remove a link from Acessories...23:03
quitttwhy my other partitions do not appear on desktop?23:05
quittthey23:08
quitttwhy my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted????23:09
floatingin linux is it safe to plug/unplug usb sticks that requires "safely remove hardware" wizard in windows ?23:14
thinkmassivequittt: look here: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/23:15
thinkmassivequittt: also here: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/23:16
thinkmassivefloating: wait until it's done copying, then it should be safe23:17
thinkmassiveif the usb stick has a light it should probably be out23:17
floatingi have a usb dvb-t dongle23:17
floatingi need to plug/unplug it often23:17
floatingin windows i have to do the "remove safely thing"23:18
thinkmassiveoh, that's a strange one (I haven't seen it before, just googled it)23:18
thinkmassivedoes it have a sound card?23:18
floatingidonno23:20
thinkmassivelooks pretty cool23:21
quitttthinkmassive, and what about the partitions icons on desktop?23:36
thinkmassivethey aren't appearing?23:37
UBUNTUJAY123whats the edit command in xubuntu23:38
quitttthinkmassive, I want to edit the formal menu23:40
quitttthinkmassive, the menu that does not appear on the options23:40
thinkmassiveUBUNTUJAY123: mousepad23:40
thinkmassiveor you can use vi23:40
thinkmassivequittt: you mean you click "edit menu" and the part you want to edit says "--- include ---         system" ?23:41
quitttyes!23:41
thinkmassivequittt: look at the second link I sent you23:41
UBUNTUJAY123xubuntu is faster right23:44
zoredachefaster then what, when you are running what, on what type of hardware?23:45
zoredachegiven enough system resources... after the desktop enviroment is loaded it doesn't seem like there should be a big difference in running applications...23:46
thinkmassivexubuntu is faster than light23:46
thinkmassivethere is a difference, having a bunch of gadgets running takes ram and cpu23:47
zoredacheyes, but if you have 4gb of ram a gadget or two probably wouldn't be noticeable or measurable....23:48
thinkmassivecpu isn't ram23:48
thinkmassivebasically, yeah you're right, having a top end system means you can run whatever desktop you want23:49
thinkmassiveI have 2gb ram and dual core, but I still choose xfce because it feels more lightweight than gnome or kde, but it's at least as easily customized23:50
zoredachethe point I was trying to make (badly) is memory hogs like firefox 2.x will be slow pretty much everywhere...  How well an application is written can have an impact23:51
thinkmassivehaha true23:51
thinkmassivelook at less porn :-P23:51
thinkmassivefirefox runs much smoother23:52
quitttdone23:52
thinkmassiveand you can actually adjust firefox so it doesn't keep the last 10 pages viewed in every tab in the cache23:52
quitttbut I still have the problem of the partitions23:52
quitttthey are mounted23:52
quitttbut they do not appear on the desktop!!23:52
zoredacheI am still annoyed that firefox can't handle me having 80 tabs open at once...23:52
thinkmassiveof course, you can tweak firefox in any distro23:52
thinkmassivehahaha23:52
thinkmassivequitt: you can add an item to the panel called "Mount Devices" that might help23:53
quitttthinkmassive, where?23:54
thinkmassiveright-click on one of your panels and select "Add new item"23:54
quittthey23:54
quitttI want what I had before23:54

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