cab86 | no errors, just a bunch of warnings, but some warnings look concerning | 00:00 |
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keb | i wonder if this should be so: (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" | 00:01 |
cab86 | I originaly had some issues trying to get a working xorg file, therefore I used an old one from the time The system was working fine with the previous ati drivers and i was able to --initial -f | 00:02 |
cab86 | it used to tell me that the xorg file was invalid (something) | 00:03 |
keb | did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" at some point? | 00:07 |
keb | it would generate a new xorg.conf file | 00:07 |
cab86 | yep, but it would claim that file was also invalid | 00:09 |
keb | it might well have been | 00:10 |
keb | there might be a way to completely reinstall xorg so you get a fresh start on that | 00:11 |
cab86 | since this last weekend i isntalled and uninstalled the drivers in different ways, some successfuly, other w/o sucess.. from different sources... after looking at the different xorg files i noticed that the ones configured for the ati driver were all pretty much the same | 00:11 |
maxamillion | TheSheep: ping | 00:11 |
cab86 | now when I say successfuly, i mean that they worked in sudo mode... | 00:11 |
cab86 | because ever since I upped to hardy, i have not been able to get these working fine in regular user mode | 00:12 |
keb | cab86 did you check the launchpad bugs re: ATI drivers | 00:12 |
cab86 | well, i didn't go through that specificaly, I googled... and did find some of those.. (similar ones) | 00:13 |
cab86 | similar bugs but those fixes (the permission related ones) did not apply to my case | 00:14 |
keb | it is possible there is a bug in Hardy wrt ATI video and the dev team should be informed. one of them might be able to help you with a workaround too | 00:15 |
cab86 | because i did them and still didn't do anything... | 00:15 |
zellfaz1 | i have returned | 00:15 |
zellfaz1 | sorry if i am interupting anything | 00:15 |
cab86 | the most weird thing is that the issue is the same using the drivers from the repos, and ATI, both 8.3 and 8.4.. I even installed them using envy | 00:16 |
zellfaz1 | i have a problem that has to do with a makefile, is anyone able to help | 00:16 |
cab86 | what does the makefile not make? maybe i can help... | 00:16 |
zellfaz1 | yes thats it | 00:16 |
zellfaz1 | Linking pmars | 00:17 |
zellfaz1 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvgagl | 00:17 |
zellfaz1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 00:17 |
zellfaz1 | make: *** [pmars] Error 1 | 00:17 |
zellfaz1 | i think i needed to edit a line in the make file and not just uncomment it | 00:17 |
zellfaz1 | should i show the area i think has the problem? | 00:17 |
cab86 | paste the makefile here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ | 00:17 |
keb | zellfaz1 you might be missing a development library | 00:18 |
cab86 | or that.. :P | 00:18 |
zellfaz1 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ | 00:18 |
zellfaz1 | i made sure that i got SVGA | 00:19 |
zellfaz1 | You will need the Linux SVGA library (libvga) version 1.12 or above to compile pMARS for Linux (it may work with older libraries, but I have not had an opportunity to test it). | 00:21 |
zellfaz1 | thats from the readme | 00:22 |
zellfaz1 | You will have to link with -lvgagl -lvga. makefile already contains a sample definition of LIB with these libraries. | 00:22 |
zellfaz1 | again from the readme | 00:22 |
keb | zellfaz1 did you install libsvga1-dev ? | 00:25 |
zellfaz1 | no | 00:25 |
zellfaz1 | one moment while i install it | 00:25 |
keb | for each runtime library, there is a development version for compiling progs etc | 00:26 |
cab86 | also, i don't know if this will help, but it seems someone had a similar issue before http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50649-13-cant-compile-pmars | 00:26 |
zellfaz1 | i saw that | 00:27 |
zellfaz1 | it didnt look like the problem at the time | 00:27 |
zellfaz1 | earlier i had a problem with even figuring out what to do in the first place | 00:27 |
zellfaz1 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 00:27 |
zellfaz1 | make: *** [pmars] Error 1 | 00:27 |
zellfaz1 | it still doesnt make | 00:28 |
keb | you'll have to scroll back to find where the actual error is | 00:29 |
zellfaz1 | any other ideas? | 00:29 |
zellfaz1 | ok | 00:29 |
zellfaz1 | one moment | 00:29 |
psych | will xubuntu install cd turn on wifi and etc? | 00:29 |
zellfaz1 | i think so | 00:30 |
keb | it always did before | 00:30 |
zellfaz1 | keb in the output it gave i didnt see anything noteworthy execpt a lot of undefined reference to | 00:30 |
keb | zellfaz1 what was the first of those | 00:31 |
zellfaz1 | sim.c:(.text+0x2b3): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' | 00:32 |
cab86 | alright kiddos, good bye... i'm gonna give my ati issue a try some other day | 00:34 |
keb | zellfaz1 are you intending to use the compiled program on a console or in an X Window? | 00:37 |
zellfaz1 | most likely through a terminal window | 00:37 |
zellfaz1 | although i can use the console if i need too | 00:38 |
keb | you may be missing the X development libraries too | 00:41 |
keb | does that program have a configure script? it is supposed to check all those dependencies | 00:41 |
zellfaz1 | it does have a configure script i think | 00:43 |
zellfaz1 | config.h? | 00:43 |
zellfaz1 | should i send? | 00:43 |
keb | no just configure | 00:44 |
keb | configure generates the config.h | 00:44 |
psych | is 20gb enough ? | 00:44 |
zellfaz1 | yes | 00:44 |
psych | is there an option between lilo or grub? | 00:44 |
zellfaz1 | keb i have no configure script, just config.h | 00:44 |
zellfaz1 | psych i dont think there is | 00:44 |
zellfaz1 | i am prety sure you are given grub | 00:45 |
psych | which one it uses? | 00:45 |
psych | ic | 00:45 |
zellfaz1 | grub | 00:45 |
zellfaz1 | there may be a package to change that, i have never looked | 00:45 |
keb | it might have an autogen.sh script or some other mechanism to customize itself to the platform it is on | 00:45 |
zellfaz1 | i dont see any | 00:46 |
zellfaz1 | just a bunch of .h files .c files and .o files | 00:46 |
keb | ok let me look at that makefile | 00:48 |
zellfaz1 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ | 00:49 |
keb | yep got it from above | 00:49 |
keb | thanks | 00:49 |
keb | if you want to use this program in a window, you have to uncomment the X11 line | 00:49 |
zellfaz1 | uncommented | 00:50 |
keb | instead of the linux/svga line ;) | 00:50 |
zellfaz1 | should i recomment that line? | 00:50 |
keb | yes | 00:51 |
keb | and you might have to install the X development libs | 00:51 |
zellfaz1 | i think i have those installed | 00:51 |
keb | ok, then do a "make clean" and "make" | 00:52 |
zellfaz1 | it worked | 00:56 |
zellfaz1 | should i run make install now? | 00:56 |
keb | you could but i don't see an install target in the makefiule | 00:57 |
keb | just run it from where it is | 00:57 |
psych | ive 2gb ram | 00:57 |
keb | ./pmars | 00:57 |
keb | psych : nice | 00:57 |
psych | is 1gb of swap enough? | 00:57 |
psych | i remember when using 512mb | 00:58 |
zellfaz1 | ya | 00:58 |
psych | it was almost never used | 00:58 |
zellfaz1 | 1 gb swap is plenty | 00:58 |
zellfaz1 | your swap should be about half as much ram as you have | 00:58 |
keb | psych : i think if you want to do hibernation you need at least as much swap as RAM | 00:58 |
psych | oic | 00:59 |
keb | if you don't need hibernate, then almost any swap is good with that much ram | 00:59 |
zellfaz1 | thanks keb for your help | 00:59 |
psych | idont think i wanna hibern. | 00:59 |
psych | ty guys | 00:59 |
psych | gonna cut my ntfs partition | 00:59 |
psych | and boot xubuntu cd | 00:59 |
keb | if you just want to try xubuntu, i think you can even install it into a folder in the ntfs partition. not sure how though | 01:01 |
psych | hmm | 01:01 |
psych | i was using gentoo last time | 01:01 |
psych | xfce is very good | 01:01 |
psych | and now i wanna try something near my old debian :) | 01:02 |
shane2peru | hey I'm new to this xubuntu desktop, can anyone tell me how to see if my sound is setup? | 01:11 |
shane2peru | I installed a server and then xubuntu-desktop | 01:11 |
keb | put in a music cd | 01:11 |
keb | it should also have played a short sound at the login screen | 01:12 |
shane2peru | well, I mean I'm very used to gnome and usually click on the little speaker in the panel, however it isn't there. | 01:12 |
shane2peru | keb: hmm, I think I'm missing something then :) | 01:12 |
keb | you can check Applications -> Settings -> Mixer | 01:13 |
shane2peru | keb: ha ha, nope, no Mixer option, must be a missing package, I did install 8.04 | 01:13 |
shane2peru | any idea on what the package name is? | 01:13 |
shane2peru | brb | 01:14 |
keb | oh, the menus might be different. dunno | 01:14 |
shane2peru | keb: that is where I would think it would be too, just not used to xfce | 01:18 |
shane2peru | it isn't in system either. :( | 01:18 |
keb | if you type lspci does it see your sound card? | 01:21 |
keb | *chipset | 01:21 |
shane2peru | yes, it appears when I do the lspci | 01:25 |
shane2peru | traditionally Ubuntu has always setup my sound correctly, keb | 01:25 |
keb | ok do the sound modules show up when you type lsmod ? | 01:25 |
keb | hmm | 01:25 |
keb | so it is just the deskop stuff that isnt working? | 01:25 |
keb | *desktop | 01:25 |
shane2peru | right, it does show up there. appears to be just desktop stuff, not setup correctly | 01:26 |
shane2peru | I have tried xubuntu before, but thought it was ugly, I must say it has gotten nicer looking. :) | 01:28 |
shane2peru | except my clock and notifier are not in the right spot, they are pushed up against my menu, hmm? | 01:32 |
keb | no doubt they can be moved | 01:33 |
shane2peru | keb: do you drag them like in Gnome? They didn't move when I tried that. | 01:35 |
keb | some of them you can right-clikc and select Move | 01:36 |
shane2peru | yeah, doesn't work, well, when I get done installing all of my 400mb of downloads I will do another update | 01:37 |
shane2peru | and try and find that sound package for xfce | 01:38 |
psych | rehi | 02:11 |
psych | seemed wifi worked | 02:12 |
psych | it found my lan | 02:12 |
keb | :) | 02:12 |
psych | but after i l/p | 02:12 |
psych | no ip in eth1 | 02:12 |
keb | crikey. it takes forever to do the "Storing language..." part of Base system installation, on an old system | 02:14 |
shane2peru | hey how do I enable compiz on xubuntu? | 03:36 |
keb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=comp-menu.png | 03:47 |
shane2peru | thanks keb | 03:51 |
keb | cheers | 03:52 |
shane2peru | can the square thing be enabled? | 03:56 |
shane2peru | ahh, I'll figure it out tomorrow. thanks again for the help keb I'm outta here. | 04:03 |
* shane2peru runs off to get some sleep | 04:03 | |
keb | nite | 04:03 |
zoredache | !codecs | 06:24 |
ubotu | For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 06:24 |
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alado | is new xubuntu also coming out tomorrow, or is it just ubuntu? | 10:06 |
keb | lol. 8 hours later, xubuntu 8.04 install is still "Configuring language-pack-en-base" | 12:57 |
keb | i guess it isnt meant to run on 64MB of RAM | 12:57 |
aron | Ho | 13:30 |
aron | Anyone have any knowledge about webserver etc? | 13:30 |
TheSheep | aron: yes, why? | 13:39 |
TheSheep | !anyone | 13:39 |
ubotu | A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? | 13:39 |
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clintc_ | I have an old Thinkpad e90 - it's got a pII running at 333mhertz and 132megs of ram - would xubuntu run decently on this old laptop? | 15:51 |
maxamillion | clintc_: yes | 15:51 |
TheSheep | clintc_: depends on what you want to do on it, movies might be a little jumpy ;) | 15:52 |
maxamillion | clintc_: certain "heavier" applications will show a little lag and i would be sure to make a decent sized swap partition | 15:52 |
maxamillion | ah yes ... movies | 15:52 |
maxamillion | TheSheep: ! | 15:52 |
maxamillion | :D | 15:52 |
TheSheep | should be no problem if you are used to comic books though ;) | 15:52 |
maxamillion | clintc_: you will need the alternate installer | 15:52 |
maxamillion | oh, gotta run ... have a meeting | 15:52 |
clintc_ | probably would stick to audio media, web surfing, email, etc.. | 15:53 |
clintc_ | why will I need the alternate installer? | 15:53 |
TheSheep | clintc_: the livecd installer needs more ram | 15:54 |
clintc_ | TheSheep: ah ok... that makes sense | 15:54 |
TheSheep | you see, livecd already takes a lot of ram, running an installer in it takes even more | 15:54 |
clintc_ | should I go for the latest release or use 7.10? | 15:55 |
clintc_ | to clarify - should I use the imminent new release 8.04 or stick to the tried and true 7.10? | 15:58 |
TheSheep | clintc_: it's released tomorrow | 16:06 |
TheSheep | clintc_: and it's going to be a long time support release (at least in Ubuntu), so this might mean it will be more stable | 16:06 |
clintc_ | TheSheep: right... just looking for some opinions about which release to use... 132megs is pretty tight... new stuff tends to be heavier | 16:07 |
clintc_ | if the 8.04 memory footprint is a lot bigger than 7.10, I would like to use it | 16:07 |
clintc_ | c/is a lot/is not a lot/ | 16:08 |
TheSheep | well, I switched to 64 bits with 8.04, so the footprint is bigger, but not necessarily because of the release | 16:08 |
TheSheep | the new firefox is much lighter though | 16:08 |
clintc_ | wow a new browser release that is lighter - I think that may be a first :) | 16:09 |
cody-somerville | Almost all the testing required to release Xubuntu 8.04 is done!! Help fill in the gap at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all !! :) | 16:20 |
TheSheep | all testers get a an iso image of xubuntu for free! | 16:24 |
cody-somerville | :D | 16:24 |
siggjen | SIGN ME ON! (: | 16:25 |
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S0210 | Hi! I use Hardy. How can I find a file? Is there a general purpose file name searcher? | 19:09 |
Stroganoff | yes | 19:24 |
psych | is there any new version comming soon ? | 19:25 |
totalwormface | new version of what? | 19:27 |
psych | xubuntu | 19:27 |
totalwormface | in april :] | 19:27 |
totalwormface | so yes, very soon | 19:28 |
danielm | tomorrow :) | 19:28 |
totalwormface | lol | 19:28 |
* totalwormface didn't know the exact date | 19:28 | |
psych | danielm, xubuntu too ? | 19:28 |
Geoffrey2 | anyone know when FF 2.0.0.14 might be available in the Xubuntu repositories? | 20:55 |
zoredache | Geoffrey2: accouring to packages.ubuntu.com it is there already | 20:57 |
Geoffrey2 | ok, thanks....update manager was insisting there was no update, so I did an apt-get update and then it found the newer version | 21:04 |
Hameleon_X | by the way, when xubuntu 8.04 is going to be available? | 21:14 |
cody-somerville | Hameleon_X, It is being released tomorrow | 21:23 |
Hameleon_X | thanks | 21:27 |
floating | is a virtual machine portable ? | 21:45 |
floating | if i make a virtual machine, can i use it elsewhere... oh well, i guess it takes like 4gb minimum though | 21:45 |
floating | like its 1 file that i can open up elsewhere with its settings in place ? | 21:45 |
grothesk_ | Hi! | 21:49 |
grothesk_ | What is going to be the default image viewer in xubuntu Hardy? | 21:49 |
cody-somerville | grothesk_, Ristretto | 21:59 |
grothesk_ | thx | 22:00 |
thinkmassive | floating: yes, that is correct | 22:02 |
thinkmassive | you can make the hard disk image any size you want, and you can set it to only allocate space as necessary | 22:03 |
x1250 | I installed xfce4 metapackage, but have no sound. I installed pulseaudio server, but I still have no sound. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, too bloated for me | 22:05 |
x1250 | xfce4-mixer looks ok | 22:09 |
zoredache | why not install the xubuntu-desktop and see if things work... you could do a dpkg --get-selections before installing so you'll know what was added | 22:10 |
x1250 | yup, I'll do that | 22:12 |
nakora | i use xubuntu 7.0 and i want to deinstall dvd + rw-tools, but he says, he must remove xubuntu-desktop as well... is it wise, to do that? | 22:30 |
nakora | i dont have any optical drive, so i wont use this ever.. but whats with the xubuntu desktop? | 22:31 |
grothesk_ | Just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prior to any upgrade to upcoming versions of xubuntu. | 22:34 |
floating | how should i proceed with this situation: i have a xubuntu on ext3 partition on begin of disk. it has 3.3gb used and 80mb free space. then i have 12gb free space in the end of disk. if i just make a ext3 partition there, i will eventually(soon) end in troubles when i install stuff, since many apt-get points to this ext3 where xubuntu root is | 22:37 |
nakora | well.. everything looks the same it was before... whats the xubuntu-desktop for? | 22:39 |
quittt | hello | 23:03 |
quittt | how do I edit my XFCE menu? | 23:03 |
quittt | I want to remove a link from Acessories... | 23:03 |
quittt | why my other partitions do not appear on desktop? | 23:05 |
quittt | hey | 23:08 |
quittt | why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted???? | 23:09 |
floating | in linux is it safe to plug/unplug usb sticks that requires "safely remove hardware" wizard in windows ? | 23:14 |
thinkmassive | quittt: look here: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ | 23:15 |
thinkmassive | quittt: also here: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/ | 23:16 |
thinkmassive | floating: wait until it's done copying, then it should be safe | 23:17 |
thinkmassive | if the usb stick has a light it should probably be out | 23:17 |
floating | i have a usb dvb-t dongle | 23:17 |
floating | i need to plug/unplug it often | 23:17 |
floating | in windows i have to do the "remove safely thing" | 23:18 |
thinkmassive | oh, that's a strange one (I haven't seen it before, just googled it) | 23:18 |
thinkmassive | does it have a sound card? | 23:18 |
floating | idonno | 23:20 |
thinkmassive | looks pretty cool | 23:21 |
quittt | thinkmassive, and what about the partitions icons on desktop? | 23:36 |
thinkmassive | they aren't appearing? | 23:37 |
UBUNTUJAY123 | whats the edit command in xubuntu | 23:38 |
quittt | thinkmassive, I want to edit the formal menu | 23:40 |
quittt | thinkmassive, the menu that does not appear on the options | 23:40 |
thinkmassive | UBUNTUJAY123: mousepad | 23:40 |
thinkmassive | or you can use vi | 23:40 |
thinkmassive | quittt: you mean you click "edit menu" and the part you want to edit says "--- include --- system" ? | 23:41 |
quittt | yes! | 23:41 |
thinkmassive | quittt: look at the second link I sent you | 23:41 |
UBUNTUJAY123 | xubuntu is faster right | 23:44 |
zoredache | faster then what, when you are running what, on what type of hardware? | 23:45 |
zoredache | given enough system resources... after the desktop enviroment is loaded it doesn't seem like there should be a big difference in running applications... | 23:46 |
thinkmassive | xubuntu is faster than light | 23:46 |
thinkmassive | there is a difference, having a bunch of gadgets running takes ram and cpu | 23:47 |
zoredache | yes, but if you have 4gb of ram a gadget or two probably wouldn't be noticeable or measurable.... | 23:48 |
thinkmassive | cpu isn't ram | 23:48 |
thinkmassive | basically, yeah you're right, having a top end system means you can run whatever desktop you want | 23:49 |
thinkmassive | I have 2gb ram and dual core, but I still choose xfce because it feels more lightweight than gnome or kde, but it's at least as easily customized | 23:50 |
zoredache | the point I was trying to make (badly) is memory hogs like firefox 2.x will be slow pretty much everywhere... How well an application is written can have an impact | 23:51 |
thinkmassive | haha true | 23:51 |
thinkmassive | look at less porn :-P | 23:51 |
thinkmassive | firefox runs much smoother | 23:52 |
quittt | done | 23:52 |
thinkmassive | and you can actually adjust firefox so it doesn't keep the last 10 pages viewed in every tab in the cache | 23:52 |
quittt | but I still have the problem of the partitions | 23:52 |
quittt | they are mounted | 23:52 |
quittt | but they do not appear on the desktop!! | 23:52 |
zoredache | I am still annoyed that firefox can't handle me having 80 tabs open at once... | 23:52 |
thinkmassive | of course, you can tweak firefox in any distro | 23:52 |
thinkmassive | hahaha | 23:52 |
thinkmassive | quitt: you can add an item to the panel called "Mount Devices" that might help | 23:53 |
quittt | thinkmassive, where? | 23:54 |
thinkmassive | right-click on one of your panels and select "Add new item" | 23:54 |
quittt | hey | 23:54 |
quittt | I want what I had before | 23:54 |
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