[00:00] no errors, just a bunch of warnings, but some warnings look concerning [00:01] i wonder if this should be so: (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" [00:02] I originaly had some issues trying to get a working xorg file, therefore I used an old one from the time The system was working fine with the previous ati drivers and i was able to --initial -f [00:03] it used to tell me that the xorg file was invalid (something) [00:07] did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" at some point? [00:07] it would generate a new xorg.conf file [00:09] yep, but it would claim that file was also invalid [00:10] it might well have been [00:11] there might be a way to completely reinstall xorg so you get a fresh start on that [00:11] since this last weekend i isntalled and uninstalled the drivers in different ways, some successfuly, other w/o sucess.. from different sources... after looking at the different xorg files i noticed that the ones configured for the ati driver were all pretty much the same [00:11] TheSheep: ping [00:11] now when I say successfuly, i mean that they worked in sudo mode... [00:12] because ever since I upped to hardy, i have not been able to get these working fine in regular user mode [00:12] cab86 did you check the launchpad bugs re: ATI drivers [00:13] well, i didn't go through that specificaly, I googled... and did find some of those.. (similar ones) [00:14] similar bugs but those fixes (the permission related ones) did not apply to my case [00:15] it is possible there is a bug in Hardy wrt ATI video and the dev team should be informed. one of them might be able to help you with a workaround too [00:15] because i did them and still didn't do anything... [00:15] i have returned [00:15] sorry if i am interupting anything [00:16] the most weird thing is that the issue is the same using the drivers from the repos, and ATI, both 8.3 and 8.4.. I even installed them using envy [00:16] i have a problem that has to do with a makefile, is anyone able to help [00:16] what does the makefile not make? maybe i can help... [00:16] yes thats it [00:17] Linking pmars [00:17] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvgagl [00:17] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [00:17] make: *** [pmars] Error 1 [00:17] i think i needed to edit a line in the make file and not just uncomment it [00:17] should i show the area i think has the problem? [00:17] paste the makefile here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ [00:18] zellfaz1 you might be missing a development library [00:18] or that.. :P [00:18] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ [00:19] i made sure that i got SVGA [00:21] You will need the Linux SVGA library (libvga) version 1.12 or above to compile pMARS for Linux (it may work with older libraries, but I have not had an opportunity to test it). [00:22] thats from the readme [00:22] You will have to link with -lvgagl -lvga. makefile already contains a sample definition of LIB with these libraries. [00:22] again from the readme [00:25] zellfaz1 did you install libsvga1-dev ? [00:25] no [00:25] one moment while i install it [00:26] for each runtime library, there is a development version for compiling progs etc [00:26] also, i don't know if this will help, but it seems someone had a similar issue before http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50649-13-cant-compile-pmars [00:27] i saw that [00:27] it didnt look like the problem at the time [00:27] earlier i had a problem with even figuring out what to do in the first place [00:27] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [00:27] make: *** [pmars] Error 1 [00:28] it still doesnt make [00:29] you'll have to scroll back to find where the actual error is [00:29] any other ideas? [00:29] ok [00:29] one moment [00:29] will xubuntu install cd turn on wifi and etc? [00:30] i think so [00:30] it always did before [00:30] keb in the output it gave i didnt see anything noteworthy execpt a lot of undefined reference to [00:31] zellfaz1 what was the first of those [00:32] sim.c:(.text+0x2b3): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' [00:34] alright kiddos, good bye... i'm gonna give my ati issue a try some other day [00:37] zellfaz1 are you intending to use the compiled program on a console or in an X Window? [00:37] most likely through a terminal window [00:38] although i can use the console if i need too [00:41] you may be missing the X development libraries too [00:41] does that program have a configure script? it is supposed to check all those dependencies [00:43] it does have a configure script i think [00:43] config.h? [00:43] should i send? [00:44] no just configure [00:44] configure generates the config.h [00:44] is 20gb enough ? [00:44] yes [00:44] is there an option between lilo or grub? [00:44] keb i have no configure script, just config.h [00:44] psych i dont think there is [00:45] i am prety sure you are given grub [00:45] which one it uses? [00:45] ic [00:45] grub [00:45] there may be a package to change that, i have never looked [00:45] it might have an autogen.sh script or some other mechanism to customize itself to the platform it is on [00:46] i dont see any [00:46] just a bunch of .h files .c files and .o files [00:48] ok let me look at that makefile [00:49] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/ [00:49] yep got it from above [00:49] thanks [00:49] if you want to use this program in a window, you have to uncomment the X11 line [00:50] uncommented [00:50] instead of the linux/svga line ;) [00:50] should i recomment that line? [00:51] yes [00:51] and you might have to install the X development libs [00:51] i think i have those installed [00:52] ok, then do a "make clean" and "make" [00:56] it worked [00:56] should i run make install now? [00:57] you could but i don't see an install target in the makefiule [00:57] just run it from where it is [00:57] ive 2gb ram [00:57] ./pmars [00:57] psych : nice [00:57] is 1gb of swap enough? [00:58] i remember when using 512mb [00:58] ya [00:58] it was almost never used [00:58] 1 gb swap is plenty [00:58] your swap should be about half as much ram as you have [00:58] psych : i think if you want to do hibernation you need at least as much swap as RAM [00:59] oic [00:59] if you don't need hibernate, then almost any swap is good with that much ram [00:59] thanks keb for your help [00:59] idont think i wanna hibern. [00:59] ty guys [00:59] gonna cut my ntfs partition [00:59] and boot xubuntu cd [01:01] if you just want to try xubuntu, i think you can even install it into a folder in the ntfs partition. not sure how though [01:01] hmm [01:01] i was using gentoo last time [01:01] xfce is very good [01:02] and now i wanna try something near my old debian :) [01:11] hey I'm new to this xubuntu desktop, can anyone tell me how to see if my sound is setup? [01:11] I installed a server and then xubuntu-desktop [01:11] put in a music cd [01:12] it should also have played a short sound at the login screen [01:12] well, I mean I'm very used to gnome and usually click on the little speaker in the panel, however it isn't there. [01:12] keb: hmm, I think I'm missing something then :) [01:13] you can check Applications -> Settings -> Mixer [01:13] keb: ha ha, nope, no Mixer option, must be a missing package, I did install 8.04 [01:13] any idea on what the package name is? [01:14] brb [01:14] oh, the menus might be different. dunno [01:18] keb: that is where I would think it would be too, just not used to xfce [01:18] it isn't in system either. :( [01:21] if you type lspci does it see your sound card? [01:21] *chipset [01:25] yes, it appears when I do the lspci [01:25] traditionally Ubuntu has always setup my sound correctly, keb [01:25] ok do the sound modules show up when you type lsmod ? [01:25] hmm [01:25] so it is just the deskop stuff that isnt working? [01:25] *desktop [01:26] right, it does show up there. appears to be just desktop stuff, not setup correctly [01:28] I have tried xubuntu before, but thought it was ugly, I must say it has gotten nicer looking. :) [01:32] except my clock and notifier are not in the right spot, they are pushed up against my menu, hmm? [01:33] no doubt they can be moved [01:35] keb: do you drag them like in Gnome? They didn't move when I tried that. [01:36] some of them you can right-clikc and select Move [01:37] yeah, doesn't work, well, when I get done installing all of my 400mb of downloads I will do another update [01:38] and try and find that sound package for xfce [02:11] rehi [02:12] seemed wifi worked [02:12] it found my lan [02:12] :) [02:12] but after i l/p [02:12] no ip in eth1 [02:14] crikey. it takes forever to do the "Storing language..." part of Base system installation, on an old system [03:36] hey how do I enable compiz on xubuntu? [03:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=comp-menu.png [03:51] thanks keb [03:52] cheers [03:56] can the square thing be enabled? [04:03] ahh, I'll figure it out tomorrow. thanks again for the help keb I'm outta here. [04:03] * shane2peru runs off to get some sleep [04:03] nite [06:24] !codecs [06:24] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats === gaurdro is now known as gaurdro|away === gaurdro|away is now known as gaurdro [10:06] is new xubuntu also coming out tomorrow, or is it just ubuntu? [12:57] lol. 8 hours later, xubuntu 8.04 install is still "Configuring language-pack-en-base" [12:57] i guess it isnt meant to run on 64MB of RAM [13:30] Ho [13:30] Anyone have any knowledge about webserver etc? [13:39] aron: yes, why? [13:39] !anyone [13:39] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? === gaurdro is now known as gaurdro|away [15:51] I have an old Thinkpad e90 - it's got a pII running at 333mhertz and 132megs of ram - would xubuntu run decently on this old laptop? [15:51] clintc_: yes [15:52] clintc_: depends on what you want to do on it, movies might be a little jumpy ;) [15:52] clintc_: certain "heavier" applications will show a little lag and i would be sure to make a decent sized swap partition [15:52] ah yes ... movies [15:52] TheSheep: ! [15:52] :D [15:52] should be no problem if you are used to comic books though ;) [15:52] clintc_: you will need the alternate installer [15:52] oh, gotta run ... have a meeting [15:53] probably would stick to audio media, web surfing, email, etc.. [15:53] why will I need the alternate installer? [15:54] clintc_: the livecd installer needs more ram [15:54] TheSheep: ah ok... that makes sense [15:54] you see, livecd already takes a lot of ram, running an installer in it takes even more [15:55] should I go for the latest release or use 7.10? [15:58] to clarify - should I use the imminent new release 8.04 or stick to the tried and true 7.10? [16:06] clintc_: it's released tomorrow [16:06] clintc_: and it's going to be a long time support release (at least in Ubuntu), so this might mean it will be more stable [16:07] TheSheep: right... just looking for some opinions about which release to use... 132megs is pretty tight... new stuff tends to be heavier [16:07] if the 8.04 memory footprint is a lot bigger than 7.10, I would like to use it [16:08] c/is a lot/is not a lot/ [16:08] well, I switched to 64 bits with 8.04, so the footprint is bigger, but not necessarily because of the release [16:08] the new firefox is much lighter though [16:09] wow a new browser release that is lighter - I think that may be a first :) [16:20] Almost all the testing required to release Xubuntu 8.04 is done!! Help fill in the gap at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all !! :) [16:24] all testers get a an iso image of xubuntu for free! [16:24] :D [16:25] SIGN ME ON! (: === danielm_ is now known as danielm === gaurdro|away is now known as gaurdro [19:09] Hi! I use Hardy. How can I find a file? Is there a general purpose file name searcher? [19:24] yes [19:25] is there any new version comming soon ? [19:27] new version of what? [19:27] xubuntu [19:27] in april :] [19:28] so yes, very soon [19:28] tomorrow :) [19:28] lol [19:28] * totalwormface didn't know the exact date [19:28] danielm, xubuntu too ? [20:55] anyone know when FF 2.0.0.14 might be available in the Xubuntu repositories? [20:57] Geoffrey2: accouring to packages.ubuntu.com it is there already [21:04] ok, thanks....update manager was insisting there was no update, so I did an apt-get update and then it found the newer version [21:14] by the way, when xubuntu 8.04 is going to be available? [21:23] Hameleon_X, It is being released tomorrow [21:27] thanks [21:45] is a virtual machine portable ? [21:45] if i make a virtual machine, can i use it elsewhere... oh well, i guess it takes like 4gb minimum though [21:45] like its 1 file that i can open up elsewhere with its settings in place ? [21:49] Hi! [21:49] What is going to be the default image viewer in xubuntu Hardy? [21:59] grothesk_, Ristretto [22:00] thx [22:02] floating: yes, that is correct [22:03] you can make the hard disk image any size you want, and you can set it to only allocate space as necessary [22:05] I installed xfce4 metapackage, but have no sound. I installed pulseaudio server, but I still have no sound. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, too bloated for me [22:09] xfce4-mixer looks ok [22:10] why not install the xubuntu-desktop and see if things work... you could do a dpkg --get-selections before installing so you'll know what was added [22:12] yup, I'll do that [22:30] i use xubuntu 7.0 and i want to deinstall dvd + rw-tools, but he says, he must remove xubuntu-desktop as well... is it wise, to do that? [22:31] i dont have any optical drive, so i wont use this ever.. but whats with the xubuntu desktop? [22:34] Just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prior to any upgrade to upcoming versions of xubuntu. [22:37] how should i proceed with this situation: i have a xubuntu on ext3 partition on begin of disk. it has 3.3gb used and 80mb free space. then i have 12gb free space in the end of disk. if i just make a ext3 partition there, i will eventually(soon) end in troubles when i install stuff, since many apt-get points to this ext3 where xubuntu root is [22:39] well.. everything looks the same it was before... whats the xubuntu-desktop for? [23:03] hello [23:03] how do I edit my XFCE menu? [23:03] I want to remove a link from Acessories... [23:05] why my other partitions do not appear on desktop? [23:08] hey [23:09] why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted???? [23:14] in linux is it safe to plug/unplug usb sticks that requires "safely remove hardware" wizard in windows ? [23:15] quittt: look here: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/ [23:16] quittt: also here: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/ [23:17] floating: wait until it's done copying, then it should be safe [23:17] if the usb stick has a light it should probably be out [23:17] i have a usb dvb-t dongle [23:17] i need to plug/unplug it often [23:18] in windows i have to do the "remove safely thing" [23:18] oh, that's a strange one (I haven't seen it before, just googled it) [23:18] does it have a sound card? [23:20] idonno [23:21] looks pretty cool [23:36] thinkmassive, and what about the partitions icons on desktop? [23:37] they aren't appearing? [23:38] whats the edit command in xubuntu [23:40] thinkmassive, I want to edit the formal menu [23:40] thinkmassive, the menu that does not appear on the options [23:40] UBUNTUJAY123: mousepad [23:40] or you can use vi [23:41] quittt: you mean you click "edit menu" and the part you want to edit says "--- include --- system" ? [23:41] yes! [23:41] quittt: look at the second link I sent you [23:44] xubuntu is faster right [23:45] faster then what, when you are running what, on what type of hardware? [23:46] given enough system resources... after the desktop enviroment is loaded it doesn't seem like there should be a big difference in running applications... [23:46] xubuntu is faster than light [23:47] there is a difference, having a bunch of gadgets running takes ram and cpu [23:48] yes, but if you have 4gb of ram a gadget or two probably wouldn't be noticeable or measurable.... [23:48] cpu isn't ram [23:49] basically, yeah you're right, having a top end system means you can run whatever desktop you want [23:50] I have 2gb ram and dual core, but I still choose xfce because it feels more lightweight than gnome or kde, but it's at least as easily customized [23:51] the point I was trying to make (badly) is memory hogs like firefox 2.x will be slow pretty much everywhere... How well an application is written can have an impact [23:51] haha true [23:51] look at less porn :-P [23:52] firefox runs much smoother [23:52] done [23:52] and you can actually adjust firefox so it doesn't keep the last 10 pages viewed in every tab in the cache [23:52] but I still have the problem of the partitions [23:52] they are mounted [23:52] but they do not appear on the desktop!! [23:52] I am still annoyed that firefox can't handle me having 80 tabs open at once... [23:52] of course, you can tweak firefox in any distro [23:52] hahaha [23:53] quitt: you can add an item to the panel called "Mount Devices" that might help [23:54] thinkmassive, where? [23:54] right-click on one of your panels and select "Add new item" [23:54] hey [23:54] I want what I had before