[00:00] <cab86> no errors, just a bunch of warnings, but some warnings look concerning
[00:01] <keb> i wonder if this should be so: (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[00:02] <cab86> I originaly had some issues trying to get a working xorg file, therefore I used an old one from the time The system was working fine with the previous ati drivers and i was able to --initial -f
[00:03] <cab86> it used to tell me that the xorg file was invalid (something)
[00:07] <keb> did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"  at some point?
[00:07] <keb> it would generate a new xorg.conf file
[00:09] <cab86> yep, but it would claim that file was also invalid
[00:10] <keb> it might well have been
[00:11] <keb> there might be a way to completely reinstall xorg so you get a fresh start on that
[00:11] <cab86> since this last weekend i isntalled and uninstalled the drivers in different ways, some successfuly, other w/o sucess.. from different sources...    after looking at the different xorg files i noticed that the ones configured for the ati driver were all pretty much the same
[00:11] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ping
[00:11] <cab86> now when I say successfuly, i mean that they worked in sudo mode...
[00:12] <cab86> because ever since I upped to hardy, i have not been able to get these working fine in regular user mode
[00:12] <keb> cab86 did you check the launchpad bugs re: ATI drivers
[00:13] <cab86> well, i didn't go through that specificaly,   I googled... and did find some of those.. (similar ones)
[00:14] <cab86> similar bugs but those fixes (the permission related ones) did not apply to my case
[00:15] <keb> it is possible there is a bug in Hardy wrt ATI video and the dev team should be informed.  one of them might be able to help you with a workaround too
[00:15] <cab86> because i did them and still didn't do anything...
[00:15] <zellfaz1> i have returned
[00:15] <zellfaz1> sorry if i am interupting anything
[00:16] <cab86> the most weird thing is that the issue is the same using the drivers from the repos, and ATI, both 8.3 and 8.4.. I even installed them using envy
[00:16] <zellfaz1> i have a problem that has to do with a makefile, is anyone able to help
[00:16] <cab86> what does the makefile not make? maybe i can help...
[00:16] <zellfaz1> yes thats it
[00:17] <zellfaz1> Linking pmars
[00:17] <zellfaz1> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvgagl
[00:17] <zellfaz1> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[00:17] <zellfaz1> make: *** [pmars] Error 1
[00:17] <zellfaz1> i think i needed to edit a line in the make file and not just uncomment it
[00:17] <zellfaz1> should i show the area i think has the problem?
[00:17] <cab86> paste the makefile here  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[00:18] <keb> zellfaz1 you might be missing a development library
[00:18] <cab86> or that.. :P
[00:18] <zellfaz1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/
[00:19] <zellfaz1> i made sure that i got SVGA
[00:21] <zellfaz1> You will need the Linux SVGA library (libvga) version 1.12 or above  to compile pMARS for Linux (it may work with older libraries, but  I have not had an opportunity to test it).
[00:22] <zellfaz1> thats from the readme
[00:22] <zellfaz1>  You will have to link with -lvgagl -lvga. makefile already contains        a sample definition of LIB with these libraries.
[00:22] <zellfaz1> again from the readme
[00:25] <keb> zellfaz1 did you install libsvga1-dev ?
[00:25] <zellfaz1> no
[00:25] <zellfaz1> one moment while i install it
[00:26] <keb> for each runtime library, there is a development version for compiling progs etc
[00:26] <cab86> also, i don't know if this will help, but it seems someone had a similar issue before http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50649-13-cant-compile-pmars
[00:27] <zellfaz1> i saw that
[00:27] <zellfaz1> it didnt look like the problem at the time
[00:27] <zellfaz1> earlier i had a problem with even figuring out what to do in the first place
[00:27] <zellfaz1> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[00:27] <zellfaz1> make: *** [pmars] Error 1
[00:28] <zellfaz1> it still doesnt make
[00:29] <keb> you'll have to scroll back to find where the actual error is
[00:29] <zellfaz1> any other ideas?
[00:29] <zellfaz1> ok
[00:29] <zellfaz1> one moment
[00:29] <psych> will xubuntu install cd turn on wifi and etc?
[00:30] <zellfaz1> i think so
[00:30] <keb> it always did before
[00:30] <zellfaz1> keb in the output it gave i didnt see anything noteworthy execpt a lot of undefined reference to
[00:31] <keb> zellfaz1 what was the first of those
[00:32] <zellfaz1> sim.c:(.text+0x2b3): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle'
[00:34] <cab86> alright kiddos, good bye... i'm gonna give my ati issue a try some other day
[00:37] <keb> zellfaz1 are you intending to use the compiled program on a console or in an X Window?
[00:37] <zellfaz1> most likely through a terminal window
[00:38] <zellfaz1> although i can use the console if i need too
[00:41] <keb> you may be missing the X development libraries too
[00:41] <keb> does that program have a configure script?  it is supposed to check all those dependencies
[00:43] <zellfaz1> it does have a configure script i think
[00:43] <zellfaz1> config.h?
[00:43] <zellfaz1> should i send?
[00:44] <keb> no just configure
[00:44] <keb> configure generates the config.h
[00:44] <psych> is 20gb enough ?
[00:44] <zellfaz1> yes
[00:44] <psych> is there an option between lilo or grub?
[00:44] <zellfaz1> keb i have no configure script, just config.h
[00:44] <zellfaz1> psych i dont think there is
[00:45] <zellfaz1> i am prety sure you are given grub
[00:45] <psych> which one it uses?
[00:45] <psych> ic
[00:45] <zellfaz1> grub
[00:45] <zellfaz1> there may be a package to change that, i have never looked
[00:45] <keb> it might have an autogen.sh script or some other mechanism to customize itself to the platform it is on
[00:46] <zellfaz1> i dont see any
[00:46] <zellfaz1> just a bunch of .h files .c files and .o files
[00:48] <keb> ok let me look at that makefile
[00:49] <zellfaz1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64049/
[00:49] <keb> yep got it from above
[00:49] <keb> thanks
[00:49] <keb> if you want to use this program in a window, you have to uncomment the X11 line
[00:50] <zellfaz1> uncommented
[00:50] <keb> instead of the linux/svga line ;)
[00:50] <zellfaz1> should i recomment that line?
[00:51] <keb> yes
[00:51] <keb> and you might have to install the X development libs
[00:51] <zellfaz1> i think i have those installed
[00:52] <keb> ok, then do a "make clean" and "make"
[00:56] <zellfaz1> it worked
[00:56] <zellfaz1> should i run make install now?
[00:57] <keb> you could but i don't see an install target in the makefiule
[00:57] <keb> just run it from where it is
[00:57] <psych> ive 2gb ram
[00:57] <keb>  ./pmars
[00:57] <keb> psych : nice
[00:57] <psych> is 1gb of swap enough?
[00:58] <psych> i remember when using 512mb
[00:58] <zellfaz1> ya
[00:58] <psych> it was almost never used
[00:58] <zellfaz1> 1 gb swap is plenty
[00:58] <zellfaz1> your swap should be about half as much ram as you have
[00:58] <keb> psych : i think if you want to do hibernation you need at least as much swap as RAM
[00:59] <psych> oic
[00:59] <keb> if you don't need hibernate, then almost any swap is good with that much ram
[00:59] <zellfaz1> thanks keb for your help
[00:59] <psych> idont think i wanna hibern.
[00:59] <psych> ty guys
[00:59] <psych> gonna cut my ntfs partition
[00:59] <psych> and boot xubuntu cd
[01:01] <keb> if you just want to try xubuntu, i think you can even install it into a folder in the ntfs partition.  not sure how though
[01:01] <psych> hmm
[01:01] <psych> i was using gentoo last time
[01:01] <psych> xfce is very good
[01:02] <psych> and now i wanna try something near my old debian :)
[01:11] <shane2peru> hey I'm new to this xubuntu desktop, can anyone tell me how to see if my sound is setup?
[01:11] <shane2peru> I installed a server and then xubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <keb> put in a music cd
[01:12] <keb> it should also have played a short sound at the login screen
[01:12] <shane2peru> well, I mean I'm very used to gnome and usually click on the little speaker in the panel, however it isn't there.
[01:12] <shane2peru> keb: hmm, I think I'm missing something then :)
[01:13] <keb> you can check Applications -> Settings -> Mixer
[01:13] <shane2peru> keb: ha ha, nope, no Mixer option, must be a missing package, I did install 8.04
[01:13] <shane2peru> any idea on what the package name is?
[01:14] <shane2peru> brb
[01:14] <keb> oh, the menus might be different. dunno
[01:18] <shane2peru> keb: that is where I would think it would be too, just not used to xfce
[01:18] <shane2peru> it isn't in system either. :(
[01:21] <keb> if you type lspci does it see your sound card?
[01:21] <keb> *chipset
[01:25] <shane2peru> yes, it appears when I do the lspci
[01:25] <shane2peru> traditionally Ubuntu has always setup my sound correctly, keb
[01:25] <keb> ok do the sound modules show up when you type lsmod ?
[01:25] <keb> hmm
[01:25] <keb> so it is just the deskop stuff that isnt working?
[01:25] <keb> *desktop
[01:26] <shane2peru> right, it does show up there.  appears to be just desktop stuff, not setup correctly
[01:28] <shane2peru> I have tried xubuntu before, but thought it was ugly, I must say it has gotten nicer looking. :)
[01:32] <shane2peru> except my clock and notifier are not in the right spot, they are pushed up against my menu, hmm?
[01:33] <keb> no doubt they can be moved
[01:35] <shane2peru> keb: do you drag them like in Gnome?  They didn't move when I tried that.
[01:36] <keb> some of them you can right-clikc and select Move
[01:37] <shane2peru> yeah, doesn't work, well, when I get done installing all of my 400mb of downloads I will do another update
[01:38] <shane2peru> and try and find that sound package for xfce
[02:11] <psych> rehi
[02:12] <psych> seemed wifi worked
[02:12] <psych> it found my lan
[02:12] <keb> :)
[02:12] <psych> but after i l/p
[02:12] <psych> no ip in eth1
[02:14] <keb> crikey. it takes forever to do the "Storing language..." part of Base system installation, on an old system
[03:36] <shane2peru> hey how do I enable compiz on xubuntu?
[03:47] <keb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=comp-menu.png
[03:51] <shane2peru> thanks keb
[03:52] <keb> cheers
[03:56] <shane2peru> can the square thing be enabled?
[04:03] <shane2peru> ahh, I'll figure it out tomorrow. thanks again for the help keb I'm outta here.
[04:03]  * shane2peru runs off to get some sleep
[04:03] <keb> nite
[06:24] <zoredache> !codecs
[06:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:06] <alado> is  new xubuntu also coming out tomorrow, or is it just ubuntu?
[12:57] <keb> lol. 8 hours later, xubuntu 8.04 install is still "Configuring language-pack-en-base"
[12:57] <keb> i guess it isnt meant to run on 64MB of RAM
[13:30] <aron> Ho
[13:30] <aron> Anyone have any knowledge about webserver etc?
[13:39] <TheSheep> aron: yes, why?
[13:39] <TheSheep> !anyone
[13:39] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[15:51] <clintc_> I have an old Thinkpad e90 - it's got a pII running at 333mhertz and 132megs of ram - would xubuntu run decently on this old laptop?
[15:51] <maxamillion> clintc_: yes
[15:52] <TheSheep> clintc_: depends on what you want to do on it, movies might be a little jumpy ;)
[15:52] <maxamillion> clintc_: certain "heavier" applications will show a little lag and i would be sure to make a decent sized swap partition
[15:52] <maxamillion> ah yes ... movies
[15:52] <maxamillion> TheSheep: !
[15:52] <maxamillion> :D
[15:52] <TheSheep> should be no problem if you are used to comic books though ;)
[15:52] <maxamillion> clintc_: you will need the alternate installer
[15:52] <maxamillion> oh, gotta run ... have a meeting
[15:53] <clintc_> probably would stick to audio media, web surfing, email, etc..
[15:53] <clintc_> why will I need the alternate installer?
[15:54] <TheSheep> clintc_: the livecd installer needs more ram
[15:54] <clintc_> TheSheep: ah ok... that makes sense
[15:54] <TheSheep> you see, livecd already takes a lot of ram, running an installer in it takes even more
[15:55] <clintc_> should I go for the latest release or use 7.10?
[15:58] <clintc_> to clarify - should I use the imminent new release 8.04 or stick to the tried and true 7.10?
[16:06] <TheSheep> clintc_: it's released tomorrow
[16:06] <TheSheep> clintc_: and it's going to be a long time support release (at least in Ubuntu), so this might mean it will be more stable
[16:07] <clintc_> TheSheep: right... just looking for some opinions about which release to use... 132megs is pretty tight... new stuff tends to be heavier
[16:07] <clintc_> if the 8.04 memory footprint is a lot bigger than 7.10, I would like to use it
[16:08] <clintc_> c/is a lot/is not a lot/
[16:08] <TheSheep> well, I switched to 64 bits with 8.04, so the footprint is bigger, but not necessarily because of the release
[16:08] <TheSheep> the new firefox is much lighter though
[16:09] <clintc_> wow a new browser release that is lighter - I think that may be a first :)
[16:20] <cody-somerville> Almost all the testing required to release Xubuntu 8.04 is done!! Help fill in the gap at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all !! :)
[16:24] <TheSheep> all testers get a an iso image of xubuntu for free!
[16:24] <cody-somerville> :D
[16:25] <siggjen> SIGN ME ON! (:
[19:09] <S0210> Hi! I use Hardy. How can I find a file? Is there a general purpose file name searcher?
[19:24] <Stroganoff> yes
[19:25] <psych> is there any new version comming soon ?
[19:27] <totalwormface> new version of what?
[19:27] <psych> xubuntu
[19:27] <totalwormface> in april :]
[19:28] <totalwormface> so yes, very soon
[19:28] <danielm> tomorrow :)
[19:28] <totalwormface> lol
[19:28]  * totalwormface didn't know the exact date
[19:28] <psych> danielm, xubuntu too ?
[20:55] <Geoffrey2> anyone know when FF 2.0.0.14 might be available in the Xubuntu repositories?
[20:57] <zoredache> Geoffrey2: accouring to packages.ubuntu.com it is there already
[21:04] <Geoffrey2> ok, thanks....update manager was insisting there was no update, so I did an apt-get update and then it found the newer version
[21:14] <Hameleon_X> by the way, when xubuntu 8.04 is going to be available?
[21:23] <cody-somerville> Hameleon_X, It is being released tomorrow
[21:27] <Hameleon_X> thanks
[21:45] <floating> is a virtual machine portable ?
[21:45] <floating> if i make a virtual machine, can i use it elsewhere... oh well, i guess it takes like 4gb minimum though
[21:45] <floating> like its 1 file that i can open up elsewhere with its settings in place ?
[21:49] <grothesk_> Hi!
[21:49] <grothesk_> What is going to be the default image viewer in xubuntu Hardy?
[21:59] <cody-somerville> grothesk_, Ristretto
[22:00] <grothesk_> thx
[22:02] <thinkmassive> floating: yes, that is correct
[22:03] <thinkmassive> you can make the hard disk image any size you want, and you can set it to only allocate space as necessary
[22:05] <x1250> I installed xfce4 metapackage, but have no sound. I installed pulseaudio server, but I still have no sound. I didn't install xubuntu-desktop, too bloated for me
[22:09] <x1250> xfce4-mixer looks ok
[22:10] <zoredache> why not install the xubuntu-desktop and see if things work... you could do a dpkg --get-selections before installing so you'll know what was added
[22:12] <x1250> yup, I'll do that
[22:30] <nakora> i use xubuntu 7.0 and i want to deinstall dvd + rw-tools, but he says, he must remove xubuntu-desktop as well... is it wise, to do that?
[22:31] <nakora> i dont have any optical drive, so i wont use this ever.. but whats with the xubuntu desktop?
[22:34] <grothesk_> Just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prior to any upgrade to upcoming versions of xubuntu.
[22:37] <floating> how should i proceed with this situation: i have a xubuntu on ext3 partition on begin of disk. it has 3.3gb used and 80mb free space. then i have 12gb free space in the end of disk. if i just make a ext3 partition there, i will eventually(soon) end in troubles when i install stuff, since many apt-get points to this ext3 where xubuntu root is
[22:39] <nakora> well.. everything looks the same it was before... whats the xubuntu-desktop for?
[23:03] <quittt> hello
[23:03] <quittt> how do I edit my XFCE menu?
[23:03] <quittt> I want to remove a link from Acessories...
[23:05] <quittt> why my other partitions do not appear on desktop?
[23:08] <quittt> hey
[23:09] <quittt> why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted????
[23:14] <floating> in linux is it safe to plug/unplug usb sticks that requires "safely remove hardware" wizard in windows ?
[23:15] <thinkmassive> quittt: look here: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[23:16] <thinkmassive> quittt: also here: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/
[23:17] <thinkmassive> floating: wait until it's done copying, then it should be safe
[23:17] <thinkmassive> if the usb stick has a light it should probably be out
[23:17] <floating> i have a usb dvb-t dongle
[23:17] <floating> i need to plug/unplug it often
[23:18] <floating> in windows i have to do the "remove safely thing"
[23:18] <thinkmassive> oh, that's a strange one (I haven't seen it before, just googled it)
[23:18] <thinkmassive> does it have a sound card?
[23:20] <floating> idonno
[23:21] <thinkmassive> looks pretty cool
[23:36] <quittt> thinkmassive, and what about the partitions icons on desktop?
[23:37] <thinkmassive> they aren't appearing?
[23:38] <UBUNTUJAY123> whats the edit command in xubuntu
[23:40] <quittt> thinkmassive, I want to edit the formal menu
[23:40] <quittt> thinkmassive, the menu that does not appear on the options
[23:40] <thinkmassive> UBUNTUJAY123: mousepad
[23:40] <thinkmassive> or you can use vi
[23:41] <thinkmassive> quittt: you mean you click "edit menu" and the part you want to edit says "--- include ---         system" ?
[23:41] <quittt> yes!
[23:41] <thinkmassive> quittt: look at the second link I sent you
[23:44] <UBUNTUJAY123> xubuntu is faster right
[23:45] <zoredache> faster then what, when you are running what, on what type of hardware?
[23:46] <zoredache> given enough system resources... after the desktop enviroment is loaded it doesn't seem like there should be a big difference in running applications...
[23:46] <thinkmassive> xubuntu is faster than light
[23:47] <thinkmassive> there is a difference, having a bunch of gadgets running takes ram and cpu
[23:48] <zoredache> yes, but if you have 4gb of ram a gadget or two probably wouldn't be noticeable or measurable....
[23:48] <thinkmassive> cpu isn't ram
[23:49] <thinkmassive> basically, yeah you're right, having a top end system means you can run whatever desktop you want
[23:50] <thinkmassive> I have 2gb ram and dual core, but I still choose xfce because it feels more lightweight than gnome or kde, but it's at least as easily customized
[23:51] <zoredache> the point I was trying to make (badly) is memory hogs like firefox 2.x will be slow pretty much everywhere...  How well an application is written can have an impact
[23:51] <thinkmassive> haha true
[23:51] <thinkmassive> look at less porn :-P
[23:52] <thinkmassive> firefox runs much smoother
[23:52] <quittt> done
[23:52] <thinkmassive> and you can actually adjust firefox so it doesn't keep the last 10 pages viewed in every tab in the cache
[23:52] <quittt> but I still have the problem of the partitions
[23:52] <quittt> they are mounted
[23:52] <quittt> but they do not appear on the desktop!!
[23:52] <zoredache> I am still annoyed that firefox can't handle me having 80 tabs open at once...
[23:52] <thinkmassive> of course, you can tweak firefox in any distro
[23:52] <thinkmassive> hahaha
[23:53] <thinkmassive> quitt: you can add an item to the panel called "Mount Devices" that might help
[23:54] <quittt> thinkmassive, where?
[23:54] <thinkmassive> right-click on one of your panels and select "Add new item"
[23:54] <quittt> hey
[23:54] <quittt> I want what I had before