[08:30] <pips1_> RichEd: morning
[08:45] <RichEd> hi pips1_ ...
[08:45] <RichEd> going through the mail now ...
[08:46] <pips1_> besides writing that todo list, i haven't done anything yesterday..
[08:46] <pips1_> I'm now making notes for the download page.
[08:47] <pips1_> In the initial part of the page, we need to explain why there is now only one add-on CD and that they need to combine it with ubuntu and ubuntu server..
[08:48] <stgraber> pips1_: they will never need ubuntu server (AFAIK), they need alternate for LTSP server
[08:48] <stgraber> indeed that's something that needs to be clear in the anouncement :)
[08:48] <pips1_> stgraber: you are right
[08:49] <RichEd> pips1_ / stgraber : oliver has some clarifying text on his .ipso pages ...
[08:49] <RichEd> *iso
[08:50] <RichEd> i'm taking that, and rolling it into the press release / announcement page
[08:50] <pips1_> RichEd: judging from last release webpage update bonanza, we are rapidly running out of time...
[08:50] <pips1_> we need at least four documents
[08:50] <pips1_> 1) mail announcement
[08:50] <RichEd> then i'll send pips1_ the text for the release, and also the excerpts for the download page
[08:50] <pips1_> 2) Download page text
[08:51] <RichEd> pips1_: they will all follow from one document ... here is my approach
[08:51] <pips1_> 3) edubuntu 8.04 overview page
[08:51] <pips1_> 4) edubuntu 8.04 release notes
[08:51] <RichEd> write the announcement in too much detail ... and then separate the detail into the 4 docs ... and trim the announcement
[08:52] <RichEd> the announcement will be a high level summary, with links to the rest of the docs
[08:52] <pips1_> ok
[08:52] <RichEd> TIMING: pips1_ they are talking about 12pm midday BST
[08:52] <RichEd> enough time ... this is my task this morning ...
[08:53] <RichEd> you can hold off and do other stuff until in ping you
[08:53] <pips1_> how are you planning on getting feedback from ogra and me and stgraber (?) ... send the document around by mail? wiki?
[08:53] <RichEd> * until I ping
[08:53] <RichEd> i'll pop up chunks of text here for immediate comment as i write
[08:54] <pips1_> I see
[08:54] <RichEd> then mail completed text to ogra pips1_ stgraber and ping here to let you know when & what to check
[08:54] <RichEd> i'll write it all and manage ... get on with your real life until you hear from me
[08:54] <RichEd> (at regular intervals)
[08:55] <stgraber> do we have an expected time for release ?
[08:55] <stgraber> last I heard, it was morning slangasek's time
[08:55] <stgraber> so late afternoon here
[08:55] <RichEd> stgraber: scroll back to the word TIMING
[08:56] <stgraber> oh, missed this line :)
[08:56] <RichEd> 3h4min and counting ...
[09:10] <pips1_> RichEd: What will we use in terms of headings: Edubuntu 8.04 or always Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 ??
[09:11] <RichEd> pips ...
[09:11] <RichEd> [1] for page titles use: Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 : Edubuntu
[09:11] <RichEd> [2] for CD general : Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 CD
[09:12] <RichEd> [3] for a user complete install: Edubuntu Desktop / Edubuntu Server
[09:12] <pips1_> ok
[09:13] <RichEd> the rebranding of the environment is a huge shirt ... has consequences on IRC channel names ... Docs .. wiki ... web site ... help ... desktop etc.
[09:13] <RichEd> so now, the CD is called Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04
[09:13] <RichEd> that is an add-on pack to Ubuntu
[09:13] <RichEd> a full install of education add-on gives you edubuntu
[09:13] <RichEd> ^ does that make sense for you to judge which name to use where ?
[09:15] <pips1_> yes
[09:22] <pips1_> urgh, the new brand name is so much longer...
[09:22] <pips1_> 'edubuntu' vs. 'ubuntu education edition'
[09:22] <pips1_> 8 vs. 24
[09:23] <pips1_> ogra: RichEd Will there be such a thing as a DVD release of Edubuntu/UEE ?
[09:24] <RichEd> pips1_: not as a physical item ... ogra may build an .iso of the collection for download
[09:24] <pips1_> i ment the download
[09:25] <pips1_> meant
[09:29] <RichEd> not right now under deadline, but hpoefully buy the time the phsycial CDs ship ...
[09:29] <pips1_> understood
[09:34] <pips1_> oh dear, wiki.u.c is dead slow
[09:36] <stgraber> erk, bad timing
[09:38] <pips1_> RichEd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Website/ReleaseTodo/DraftDownload
[09:39] <pips1_> RichEd: ^^^ outline for the download page structure
[09:39] <RichEd> checking ...
[09:40] <stgraber> pips1_: What about using gobby for release-notes/announcement/... ? it's probably a lot faster than wiki
[09:40] <pips1_> no go for me
[09:40] <pips1_> I'm still on 6.06 LTS :-)
[09:41] <pips1_> my gobby version won't work with the newer versions....
[09:41] <pips1_> I desperately need to update to 8.04 :-)
[09:42] <RichEd> pips1_: snap
[09:43] <RichEd> stgraber: i'm taking the last release announcement and updating that ... the ubuntu one is short & brief ... ours will be as well
[09:43] <RichEd> we'll have a fuller page as an additional
[09:43] <RichEd> here is the ubuntu one we are modelling: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/ReleaseAnnouncement
[09:44] <RichEd> pips1_: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/ <-f.y.i. we'll include that as the tour link on the sidebar menu
[09:46] <stgraber> that whatisubuntu page rocks !!!
[09:46] <pips1_> yes
[09:47] <pips1_> matt asked me not to publish it though!!
[09:47] <pips1_> the url
[09:47] <pips1_> stgraber: please hold off a minute before dragging everybody's attention to it ;-)
[09:48] <stgraber> don't worry
[09:49] <pips1_> RichEd: should I start writing copy for my Download page draft? Or will you do it? I'm just a bit worried we wont make it in time.. :-)
[09:50] <RichEd> the wiki is already timing out ! don't make the masses whack the website into a stupor while we are trying to update
[09:51] <pips1_> huh?
[09:51] <pips1_> I wont use the wiki anymore
[09:51] <pips1_> I will start writing text offline and start formatting it as html to insert into drupal / edubuntu.org
[09:52] <RichEd> pips1_: for your comfort, do the structure and wording you see fit ... i'll then overlay mine over yours ... that way we can simply update a working acceptable page under less stress thata non-existing one
[09:52] <stgraber> pips1_: if you are using Drupal's nodes, you can also turn the "published" flag off and directly work on the page in Drupal
[09:52] <pips1_> stgraber: sure
[09:53] <pips1_> RichEd: ok
[09:54] <RichEd> pips1_: re huh i'm talking about stgraber making a lound reference to the www web page and using the rock war cry with multiple bangs which normally provokes a reaction like the sound of a tin opener operating on a can of fish at the local SPCA or animal shelter
[09:55] <pips1_> hehe
[09:55] <stgraber> :)
[09:57] <RichEd> can any of you load a wiki page ... i'm timing out :P
[09:57] <ogra> wiki.u.c has probs
[09:57] <pips1_> I gave up
[09:57] <ogra> IS is pinged
[09:57] <highvoltage> it's probably not going to get any better soon
[09:58] <pips1_> I don't think so either, I'm glad I opened all the pages I need for reference earlier
[09:58] <pips1_> :-)
[09:58] <highvoltage> some hosting providers offer slashdot insurance. I wonder if there would be hosting providers that offer ubuntu-release insurance soon :)
[09:59] <pips1_> hehe
[09:59] <RichEd> hi ogra ... feeling strong about the release(s) ...
[09:59] <ogra> busy with desaster recovery .... https://launchpad.net/~cmpc-developers/+archive/+build/568554
[10:00] <ogra> (witing for a fixed cmpc kernel that actually builds
[10:00] <ogra> )
[10:00] <RichEd> it is easier this time for edubuntu release now that it is part of the distro "engine" ?
[10:00] <ogra> i didnt have to care so much
[10:00] <ogra> and it will be even less next release
[10:01] <ogra> this time we had all the infrastructural changes fr the addon, next time i only maintain a list and three packages for edubuntu itself
[10:01]  * RichEd smiles at ogra's use of care ... in english it means to be interested, to pay attention to ...
[10:01] <ogra> so from next time on i should really have time for actual development if tools :)
[10:02] <RichEd> so "don't have to care" is along the road to "i don't give a sh*t" ...
[10:02] <ogra> right :) the latter :)
[10:02] <highvoltage> RichEd: ogra's use of care is more like the hacker language care
[10:02] <RichEd> ahhh ... methought it was a german /english thing
[10:02] <ogra> most of the infrastructural changes were made by colin, i actualy only had to pay attention my stuff follows up on his changes :)
[10:03] <RichEd> ogra: great ... so the reorg is making sense ...
[10:03] <RichEd> back after ciggie
[10:03] <ogra> i already added two specs to the team canonical page :)
[10:03] <ogra> (edubuntu-menus GUI and scheduling integration)
[10:03] <ogra> (willowng and parental control integration)
[10:05] <RichEd> i must add the easy education install categories
[10:05] <RichEd> as well as the name change and carry through across web / irc / doc / help / wiki etc.
[10:05] <RichEd> keeping edubuntu as the name for the full education default install
[10:06] <RichEd> but the ubuntu education as the whole set of options available for ubuntu
[10:07] <ogra> on the non edu side i have: mesh networking, easy usb key installer images, lightweight kernel flavour and boot profiling,
[10:07] <pips1_> RichEd: if you need my attention, use my nick to ping... I'm too busy to follow conversation here. :-)
[10:08] <RichEd> you mean on the non-generic h/w side ? i presume you refer to cmpc ?
[10:08] <RichEd> and have you seen the OLPC keyboard problem making waves ?
[10:08] <ogra> no to my job in the platfom tem
[10:08] <ogra> *team
[10:08] <RichEd> ahhh ... but all useful to us in edu :)_
[10:09] <highvoltage> RichEd: which keyboard problem?
[10:09] <highvoltage> oh, OLPC. right.
[10:09] <ogra> mesh networking is a cmpc spec though but falls into general networking
[10:09] <ogra> lightweight kernel is rather an ltsp thing but also useful for subnotebooks ;)
[10:09] <ogra> same for boot profiling :)
[10:10] <RichEd> highvoltage: not your keyboard problem ... a wipe with a strong disinfectant will sort that out
[10:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: thanks for the tip.
[10:10] <stgraber> ogra: is that compressed swap thing also planned for the cmpc in Intrepid ?
[10:10] <RichEd> made by ogra(tm) ... available to broader the effort
[10:10] <ogra> stgraber, someone else put it on the list already
[10:10] <ogra> (compcache you mean i think)
[10:11] <ogra> stgraber, i'd love to look into that especially i'd love to hear the reason why you need the go through a blockdevice instead of directly compressing all ram actions :)
[10:15] <pips1_> RichEd: ogra: question: should we advertise the availability of Moodle in 8.04 at all?
[10:16] <ogra> we did so before, if we dont advertise its removal thats fine :)
[10:16] <RichEd> ogra: removal ?
[10:16] <pips1_> we did so before? where? in the announcement mail? on the website? huh?
[10:16] <ogra> i'd like to look into the bug you had there yesterday for 8.04.1 ... so its probaby better to not advertise it to much in the current state
[10:16] <pips1_> for 7.10 ?
[10:16] <RichEd> pips1_: on the download page, please make sure that there is a section for each of these:
[10:16] <ogra> 7.10
[10:17] <RichEd> * to install edubuntu desktop, you need ...
[10:17] <RichEd> * to install edubuntu server, you need ...
[10:17] <RichEd> * to install edubuntu LTSP server, you need ...
[10:17] <pips1_> oh
[10:17] <RichEd> and list the links needed ...
[10:17] <ogra> s/LTSP/ClassroomServer/g
[10:17] <pips1_> what is the difference between 'edubuntu server' and 'edubuntu LTSP server' ?
[10:17] <ogra> and really drop the server part
[10:18] <ogra> edubuntu-server is a metapackage, classroom server is an install variant
[10:18] <pips1_> classroom server install variant gives you LTSP setup
[10:18] <pips1_> correct?
[10:18] <ogra> if you dont like classroom, call it thin client server, but please drop the ltsp
[10:18] <ogra> right
[10:19] <pips1_> why do you explicitely want to drop the LTSP?
[10:19] <RichEd> we will add some text to flesh out a recipe level install instruction ... but for now, point people to the components they will need to d/l to get to the usual (expected) end desktops
[10:19] <RichEd> ogra ... what is the difference now between ubuntu server ... and edubuntu server without ltsp ?
[10:19] <pips1_> ah, LTSP is its own thing
[10:19] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer isnt enough ?
[10:19] <RichEd> any or none
[10:20] <ogra> RichEd, a (currently broken apparently) moodle install
[10:20] <ogra> edubuntu-server depends on postgresqul, apache and moodle to give you the content server
[10:21] <RichEd> :( what's broke ?? is the install not completing, or installing but not running properly ?
[10:21] <ogra> but pips1_ had some bad bug yesterday i'd like to look at as soon as hardy-updates is open so we shouldnt advertise it separately
[10:21] <RichEd> and how would someone recover a bad install
[10:22] <ogra> i have no idea what broke, i dont have the time to look now, i'm heavily behind on cmpc and cant upload any fix anyway
[10:22] <pips1_> well, I got a nasty sound error on the command line, but moodle *seems* to run fine, on a first impression, anyway
[10:22] <pips1_> *nasty sounding error
[10:22] <ogra> it threw an install errorr that needs deeper researc, even though it seemed to work after install
[10:22] <pips1_> right
[10:23] <pips1_> so... on the download I simply write
[10:23] <ogra> i can look next week (given the classmate kernel is done, i have ot roll the final images *today* for that)
[10:23] <pips1_> 1.) to install edubuntu desktop
[10:23] <pips1_> 2.) to installe edubunt thin client server
[10:23] <pips1_>  ?
[10:23] <ogra> yes
[10:24] <ogra> we can add an 8.04.1 section there later and add edubuntu-server
[10:24] <pips1_> RichEd: you ok with that?
[10:25] <pips1_> RichEd: and what about the terminology? 'edubuntu classroom server' or 'edubuntu thin client server' ? (I think the latter is more accurate, since edubuntu server in the future will include a content server, etc?)
[10:26] <pips1_> for hardy+1: edubuntu-server = ltsp + moodle ?
[10:26] <ogra> in "biz speak" we call it ubuntu terminal services btw http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/technologies/ltsp
[10:26] <ogra> pips1_, no
[10:26] <ogra> more metapackages
[10:26] <pips1_> right
[10:26] <ogra> and edubuntu-server will never depend on ltsp
[10:27] <pips1_> ltsp will always remain as an install variant, but people will add metapackages to suit their needs on top of that...
[10:27] <ogra> (since i want edubuntu-server selectable in g-a-i later it would pull ltsp onto the addon CD)
[10:27] <pips1_> understood
[10:28] <ogra> ltsp is an ubuntu thing now
[10:28] <pips1_> you want ltsp on ubuntu (alternate) cd
[10:28] <pips1_> right
[10:29] <pips1_> RichEd: any word from you about the wording for the "edubuntu server"? 'edubuntu terminal services', 'edubuntu thin client server', 'edubuntu server', ...? which to use?
[10:31] <RichEd> edubuntu classroom server ... as oliver has used ...
[10:31] <pips1_> ok
[10:31] <RichEd> where it makes sense, use "edubuntu classroom server (thin client)"
[10:31] <pips1_> "Install Edubuntu Classroom Server"
[10:32] <pips1_> ok
[10:32] <RichEd> like headings, but don't bog down body text with the long term
[10:33] <pips1_> orga: "edubuntu classroom server (terminal services)" or "edubuntu classroom server (thin client)" ?
[10:33] <ogra> feel free to choose :)
[10:34] <pips1_> well, i guess it depends on what term is more likely to be googled for...
[10:34]  * pips1_ checks
[10:35] <pips1_> terminal services: 10'700'000 hits in google
[10:35] <pips1_> thin client: 6'410'000 hits
[10:36] <pips1_> terminal services: first link = Terminal Services is a component of Microsoft Windows...
[10:36] <pips1_> thin client: first link = wikipedia
[10:37] <pips1_> wow, really sounds like microsoft owns the term "terminal services"
[10:38] <pips1_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Services
[10:38] <pips1_> 'thin client' seems to be more associated with open source...
[10:39] <pips1_> interesting
[10:39]  * pips1_ carries on
[10:41] <pips1_> "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 is codenamed Hardy Heron and is supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers."
[10:41] <pips1_> ogra: ^^^ is that correct?
[10:43] <ogra> right
[10:43] <ogra> btw, could you file a bug about moodle, "moodle tries to configure DB before postgres is up" seems to be the proper description
[10:43] <ogra> against edubuntu-meta
[10:45] <RichEd> pips1_: i wouldn't use "code named" sounds too james bond ... just use:
[10:46] <RichEd> "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 (the Hardy Heron release) is supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers.
[10:46] <RichEd> ogra: ?? happy with that ^
[10:46] <ogra> sure
[10:47] <pips1_> ok
[10:47] <RichEd> pips1_: terminal services is synonymous with a MS service ... has been for 10+ years
[10:47] <RichEd> thin client is generic ...
[10:47] <pips1_> so what do we use?
[10:47] <ogra> thats why we call it "ubuntu terminal services" on the marketing pages all over ubuntu.com :)
[10:47] <pips1_> we might as well use terminal services ... :-)
[10:48]  * RichEd would disagree :)
[10:48] <RichEd> thin client <- a person looking normally to save money or management time / overhead in a large install has "thin client is a slimmer cheaper solution" in mind
[10:48] <RichEd> imho ...
[10:48] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/technologies/ltsp
[10:49] <ogra> tell that to marketing :)
[10:49]  * RichEd cannot believe that ogra is taking his lead from marketing ... follow the people in sharkskin suits ? 
[10:49] <RichEd> ;)
[10:50] <ogra> RichEd, well, i wrote that text :)
[10:50] <pips1_> haha
[10:50] <ogra> sympathising with the devil ;)
[10:50] <pips1_> ogra the marketer
[10:50] <pips1_> in lederhosen
[10:50] <ogra> haha
[10:50] <stgraber> "To use Ubuntu Terminal Services during Ubuntu install use the Ubuntu Alternate CD for installation, hit F4 at the bootscreen and select "Install a LTSP server" from the pop up "Modes" menu." :)
[10:51] <ogra> well, call it as you like just dont call it LTSP in the ehadins
[10:51] <ogra> *headings
[10:51] <stgraber> to install "Ubuntu Terminal Services" install "LTSP" :)
[10:51] <ogra> yeah
[10:51] <ogra> the app is LTSP
[10:51] <ogra> the product is ubuntu terminal server :)
[10:51] <pips1_> "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 DVD's will be made available only a while after the initial CD release (feel free to check for availability at the following link) ..."
[10:51] <pips1_> ogra: ^^^ ?
[10:52] <stgraber> won't people expect something similar to Microsoft's terminal server (RDP stuff) with such a name ?
[10:52] <ogra> (to be honest i was just to late to request a change for the menu entry wrt translations)
[10:52] <ogra> (should have been "terminal server")
[10:52] <pips1_> "The DVD image contains the Desktop and Server ISO's, as well as all the packages officially supported by Ubuntu"
[10:52] <ogra> pips1_, DVD ?
[10:52] <pips1_> ogra: ^^^ correct?
[10:53] <pips1_> yes, should I write about the DVD, or drop that altogether?
[10:53] <stgraber> pips1_: we don't have DVD
[10:53] <pips1_> RichEd: mentioned that there might be one later?
[10:53] <pips1_> misunderstanding?
[10:53] <ogra> let me have a look, i'm not sure we have built DVDs at all since they are actually identical to ubuntu DVDs
[10:53] <ogra> oh, we built them apparently
[10:53] <pips1_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/release/
[10:53] <stgraber> I don't have Edubuntu DVD in the list of images to test
[10:54] <RichEd> pips1_ / stgraber : ogra and i chatted a while ago about building a DVD with the whole set of edu cd requirements on it
[10:54] <ogra> stgraber, it doesnt differ from ubuntu
[10:54] <stgraber> ogra: we don't seem to have the i386 one though
[10:54] <pips1_> so what should i write on the download page?
[10:54] <ogra> RichEd, the ubuntu DVD contains all of main (incuding the edu stuff)
[10:54] <RichEd> so e.g. if someone wants to burn & post to a disconnected user ... they can do a DVD
[10:55] <RichEd> ogra: will that get them edubuntu desktop / edubuntu server / edubuntu LTSP ?
[10:55] <ogra> what would you expect from a "edubuntu DVD" thats not covered by the ubuntu DVD
[10:55] <RichEd> if yes ... pips1_ you can make a DVD heading and point people to the ubuntu one
[10:55] <ogra> RichEd, no, since we dont have any installer ntegration anywhere we dont have such modes
[10:55] <pips1_> ubuntu DVD contains what? ubuntu + u. server + kubuntu + ?
[10:55] <ogra> the edubuntu DVD wll offer exactly the same the ubuntu DVD offers
[10:56] <pips1_> what is the ubuntu DVD url?
[10:56] <ogra> all edu apps are included there
[10:56] <ogra> pips1_, all of main that fits plus all langpacks
[10:57] <pips1_> ic
[10:57] <pips1_> so what is the URL?
[10:58] <stgraber> IIRC DVD images are on cdimage, 2s
[10:58] <ogra> i think its somewher on cdimage
[10:58] <stgraber> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/release/
[10:58] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20080423/ there is a daily build though
[10:59] <pips1_> "The DVD image contains the Desktop and Server ISO's, as well as all the packages officially supported by Ubuntu"
[11:00] <pips1_> ogra: ^^^ correct?
[11:00] <ogra> right
[11:00] <pips1_> (i never used the dvd)
[11:00] <pips1_> ok
[11:00] <ogra> me neither
[11:00] <ogra> juliux does thogh :)
[11:01] <stgraber> ogra: AFAIK it doesn't contain Kubuntu, so not exactly "all packages officially supported by Ubuntu" maybe "all packages for the Ubuntu environement" would be better
[11:02] <ogra> yeah
[11:02] <ogra> sounds better in that light
[11:04] <pips1_> ogra: I have a heading "Older Releases" which lists Edubuntu 6.06.1 Dapper....
[11:04] <pips1_> I leave that in, right?
[11:04] <pips1_> Dapper will still be available, right?
[11:04] <ogra> yeah
[11:04] <pips1_> ok
[11:04] <ogra> and supported for another year
[11:05] <pips1_> "supported until 2009" ?
[11:06] <ogra> i think so
[11:24] <juliux> ?
[11:26] <pips1_> oh oh, me things we have a slight problem
[11:26] <pips1_> hmm
[11:26] <stgraber> pips1_: ?
[11:27] <pips1_> on our download page, we use this nice script from matt nuzum that will give us an up to date list of all download mirrors...
[11:27] <pips1_> but *only* for the Ubuntu 8.04 educational add-on CD
[11:27] <pips1_> I can simply reference the ubuntu.com website for the Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop CD
[11:28] <pips1_> ... download
[11:28] <pips1_> but what about the links for the Ubuntu 8.04 Alternate CD
[11:28] <pips1_> ?
[11:28]  * pips1_ checks
[11:28] <ogra> there is a checkbox on the ubuntu DL page
[11:29] <ogra> it was at the bottom in 7.10
[11:29] <ogra> Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[11:29] <pips1_> right... so i need to write that the *need* to tick that tiny checkbox on that page....
[11:30] <ogra> just link to the HardyClassroomServer wikipage ?
[11:30] <pips1_> well, you see, our download page will only provide a list of mirrors for the add-on CD!
[11:30] <ogra> right
[11:31] <pips1_> for the "other CDs", i.e. ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Alternate, I will just direct the people to the ubuntu.com website...
[11:31] <ogra> so for general just link to the ubuntu DL page
[11:31] <ogra> for classroom server link to the classroom server wikipage
[11:31] <ogra> edubuntu addon works fine with ubuntu desktop
[11:32] <ogra> no need for the checkbox, and classroom server users should in any case follow the instructions of the classrom server wikipage
[11:32] <pips1_> well, that's what i'll do... but I guess people will still get a bit confused that they need to navigate to two download pages to get a complete "ubuntu education edition"...
[11:32] <ogra> thats the drawback we have to live with in the new design
[11:32] <pips1_> right
[11:32] <ogra> you will always need the ubuntu base
[11:33] <ogra> but for the default a link to the desktop iso is fine
[11:33] <ogra> just make classroom server prominent enough
[11:33] <pips1_> perhaps next time round, matt can adjust the script so it'll be nice and configurable....
[11:33] <ogra> so people wanting that actually see it
[11:34] <ogra> perhaps next time roud we can provide shipit with the alternate CD :)
[11:34] <ogra> as classroom server edition
[11:55] <RichEd> ogra: expanding this" is supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers"
[11:56] <ogra> good idea
[11:57] <pips1_> RichEd: do you have a paragraph that explains what the add-on CD contains?
[11:57] <RichEd> pips1_: not yet
[11:57] <pips1_> :-/
[11:57]  * pips1_ has sweat breaking loose
[12:00] <RichEd> pips1_: my buttefiles are wobbling me
[12:01] <RichEd> ogra: ??
[12:02] <RichEd> Edubuntu 8.04 is a Long Term Support release (LTR) and will be supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers through our managed software repositories. The desktop package manager notifier checks automatically for security and maintenance updates / patches and prompts from the tool bar for simple selection and installation.
[12:02] <ogra> pips1_, the same it contained before there were no content changes
[12:02] <stgraber> RichEd: s/LTR/LTS/ ?
[12:02] <ogra> s/before/before, /
[12:03] <ogra> RichEd, edubuntu is no LTS
[12:03] <RichEd> stgraber: thanks ... i'll blame those on my contact lenses which are fogged up from lack of sleep
[12:03] <RichEd> ogra: ?? wasn't 6.10 an LTS
[12:03] <ogra> 6.10 was
[12:04] <ogra> 8.04 isnt
[12:04] <RichEd> but the underlying ubuntu is no ?
[12:04] <ogra> thats what i was told very explicitly yesterday by mdz and cjwatson
[12:05] <ogra> *EDU*buntu isnt a long term support release ...
[12:05] <RichEd> can we say that it is based on the Ubuntu which is LTS
[12:05] <ogra> ubuntu is
[12:05] <RichEd> so is the concern about edu package support ?
[12:05] <RichEd> because all of those are in the repositories and supported for ubuntu ?
[12:05] <ogra> "the edubuntu CD operates as an addon to the long term supported ubuntu 8.04 edition" would surely be possible i think
[12:06] <ogra> but we're not allowed to call the addon LTS
[12:06] <ogra> or an edubuntu install
[12:06] <RichEd> okay ... so do we support for 18 months ?
[12:06] <stgraber> 18 yes, not 3 years though
[12:06] <RichEd> and the base desktop is LTS supported for 36 months ?
[12:07] <ogra> yeah, thats the general hort tem support cycle for all releases
[12:07] <ogra> *short term
[12:07] <RichEd> okay ... let me word that positively ... brb
[12:08] <ogra> RichEd, afaik only content of the -desktop (and alternate indeed) and -server CDs is actually supported
[12:08] <ogra> for LTS
[12:08] <ogra> no kubuntu, xubuntu or edubuntu
[12:15] <RichEd> ogra ... any release notes of our own anticipated ?
[12:25] <ogra> RichEd, beyond the changes i wouldnt know what to note :)
[12:26] <RichEd> ogra: fine by me ... the more we point people back to ubuntu, the better
[12:26] <RichEd> so i have referenced theirs
[12:26] <RichEd> ogra / stgraber / pips1_ : please check your mail for the web announcement text
[12:26] <RichEd> comment here please ... no muti-email doc spawning :)
[12:26] <pips1_> ok
[12:27]  * RichEd is now checking to see if it needs modification for the mail shots
[12:27] <RichEd> note that there is now no Edubuntu announcement going out in ubuntu announce
[12:27] <RichEd> we are referenced as an add-on feature of ubuntu
[12:28] <RichEd> we will do our own mail shot to our lists
[12:28]  * RichEd heads for a ciggie and will come back for comments in 5
[12:35] <ogra> Find out what is new in this release with a graphical tour:
[12:35] <ogra>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour
[12:35] <ogra>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710
[12:35] <ogra> ...
[12:35] <ogra> 7.10 ?
[12:36] <ogra> beyond that looks good to me ...
[12:37] <stgraber> RichEd: checking now
[12:38] <stgraber> are these <link stuff standard in mail ? thunderbird just show them without linking
[12:39] <ogra> its a txt attachment, probably TB doesnt interpret links in there
[12:39] <ogra> i see it fine in evo
[12:39] <stgraber> hmm, right
[12:39] <RichEd> stgraber: that's for pips1_ to do on the web site announcement
[12:39] <RichEd> the mail shot is a revised version for text only
[12:40] <stgraber> shouldn't the mail link to the releasesnotes for Edubuntu ?
[12:40] <RichEd> stgraber: scroll back dude ... none from ollie this time
[12:40] <ogra> well, what should i note beyond the changes :)
[12:40] <stgraber> hmm, ok :) sorry I was away for half an hour moving from school to some open wireless in town :)
[12:41] <RichEd> ogra: is the LTS & support paragraph okay by you and non-offending for mdz and cjwatson ?
[12:41] <stgraber> ogra: italc by default for all desktop install ? don't see any other change though
[12:42] <ogra> oh, right
[12:42] <ogra> italc !
[12:42] <ogra> RichEd, looks good to me
[12:42] <RichEd> ogra: sweet ... tx
[12:42] <ogra> "edubuntu now comes with the fully integrated italc classroom management software" ?
[12:43] <ogra> probably as bulletpoint somewhere :)
[12:43] <RichEd> stgraber: once we have the page up ... i'll get pips1_ to add the italc line
[12:43] <RichEd> will wax it into "managed education environment" as a leader and not just a bullet
[12:44] <stgraber> pips1_: it's not actually an Edubuntu DVD but the Ubuntu DVD containing the education packages
[12:44] <ogra> pips1_, i'm not registered, looks fine to me ...
[12:45] <ogra> i like the new theme :)
[12:46] <pips1_> ogra: it's been there since months :-)
[12:46] <ogra> i should look there more often :)
[12:48] <pips1_> stgraber: ok, will change
[12:48]  * ogra wonders if #ubuntu-release-party will pass the 700 user mark before release
[12:49] <RichEd> ogra: what's it at now ? and is there mayhem as usual ?
[12:49] <ogra> 682 atm
[12:49] <ogra> but stalled somewhat
[12:50]  * stgraber is moving again, next wifi probably in ~30min
[12:51] <ogra> hey slangasek
[12:51] <slangasek> hi
[12:51] <slangasek> pips1_: when do you plan to publish http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release ?
[12:52] <ogra> we're in the last touch up's
[12:52] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/node/47
[12:53] <slangasek> ok
[12:53] <RichEd> ogra: nope that is the download page ...
[12:53] <ogra> oh
[12:53] <RichEd> pips1_: what's the node for the release ?
[12:53] <RichEd> slangasek: text & content is ready ... just getting it live
[12:53] <ogra> release was done then, right, we should be able t publisch now
[12:53] <ogra> *publish
[12:53] <RichEd> will ping when published
[12:54] <slangasek> sounds good
[12:54] <RichEd> a matter of minutes
[12:54] <pips1_> ah ogra, don't publish that node publicly!!
[12:54] <ogra> pips1_, 29 ppl here
[12:54] <pips1_> ok ok
[12:54] <ogra> 20 of them sleeping
[12:54] <slangasek> ogra: images are propagating, I'm currently doing the final link check for the announcement mail but this still blocks on the ubuntu.com website too
[12:54] <ogra> ah, good, so within the next hour i guess then
[12:55] <slangasek> I hope so, I need to pass out soon
[12:56] <RichEd> slangasek: i'm ready with my homer voice: "ahhhhhhhh sleeeeeeeeeeep"
[12:58] <RichEd> ogra: with the add-on cd ... when you stick it in, does a prompt auto load ?
[12:58] <RichEd> or do you need to launch something manually ?
[12:59] <ogra> see the screenshots :)
[13:00]  * RichEd shoots ogra ... gimmee da short answa dude
[13:00] <ogra> yes
[13:00] <RichEd> trying to write an accurate sentence ... not overload my firefox at the moment
[13:00] <RichEd> why thank you dear;)
[13:01]  * ogra wonders if RichEd noticed that he answered yes on an or question 
[13:01] <ogra> :P
[13:01] <ogra> it pops up a prompt
[13:01] <ogra> giving you three choices
[13:02] <RichEd> well review this then:
[13:02] <RichEd> In versions prior to 8.04 Edubuntu was released as a distinct variant with its own separate Installer CDs. With the restructure you now start with the installation of an Ubuntu desktop as a base. Once you insert the Ubuntu Education CD, you will be prompted to add the Edubuntu add-on environment or opt to install education application enhancements.
[13:02] <ogra> Once you insert the Ubuntu Education CD at a running desktop
[13:03] <ogra> ...
[13:03] <ogra> else its fine
[13:03] <ogra> users should be aware you cant boot of it or pop it in at the text installer or so
[13:04] <ogra> hmm
[13:04] <ogra> "to add the Edubuntu add-on environment" .... "to start the Edubuntu add-on installer"
[13:04] <ogra> (the button says "start add-on installer")
[13:05]  * stgraber is back on some public wifi
[13:05] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=addon-popup.png
[13:05] <ogra> in case the wiki works for you :)
[13:05] <RichEd> just deleted a comment i was about to send that add the add on is crap sentence structure
[13:05] <RichEd> check for errors while i polish the grandma
[13:05]  * pips1_ waits for the paragraph... :-)
[13:06] <ogra> #u-r-p -> 684
[13:06] <ogra> 690 :)
[13:06] <pips1_> huh?
[13:07]  * ogra waits for 700
[13:07] <pips1_> what is u r p ?
[13:07] <stgraber> 5.2MB/s upload on bittorrent here ...
[13:07] <RichEd> ogra: just checking ... stick in Cd and then a dialogue window comes up with the start button
[13:07] <ogra> pips1_, #ubuntu-release-party
[13:07] <stgraber> pips1_: #ubuntu-release-party
[13:07] <pips1_> hehe
[13:07] <ogra> RichEd, with a dialog with three buttons: cancel, start package manager, start add-on installer
[13:08] <RichEd> tz
[13:08] <RichEd> ogra: what does the boot option do ?
[13:09] <ogra> boot option ?
[13:09] <ogra> there is none
[13:09] <ogra> the cd is not bootable
[13:13] <pips1_> ogra: question: I want to understand what the two options do... Does "start package manager" give you synaptic?
[13:13] <ogra> yep
[13:13] <ogra> with the CD as repo
[13:13] <pips1_> And "start add-on installer" gives you the gnome add/remove thingy (forgot the name)?
[13:13] <stgraber> gnome-app-install
[13:14] <ogra> right
[13:14] <pips1_> thanks
[13:14] <RichEd> pips1_: ogra ... here we go:
[13:14] <RichEd> In versions prior to 8.04 Edubuntu was released as a distinct variant with its own separate Installer CDs. With the restructure you now start with the installation of an Ubuntu desktop base onto your machine, and once complete you then insert the Ubuntu Education CD. A dialogue box will load automatically offering you a choice of "start package manager" or "start add-on installer".
[13:14] <RichEd> Select the "package manager" option to select individual Education applications from the Edubuntu default bundle for installation onto your Ubuntu desktop environment.
[13:14] <RichEd> Select the "add-on installer" option to install the full education environment, including the Edubuntu default application packages and Edubuntu desktop as a single process.
[13:14] <pips1_> RichEd: I think you misunderstood the options
[13:14] <pips1_> RichEd: disregard my last sentence
[13:15] <ogra> RichEd, dont document the package manager"
[13:15] <RichEd> ??
[13:15] <RichEd> wot he sed ??
[13:15] <ogra> ad-on installer is all you need, it shows an entry for every whipped app
[13:15] <ogra> "Select the "package manager" option to select individual Education applications from the Edubuntu default bundle for installation onto your Ubuntu desktop environment."
[13:15] <ogra> drop that
[13:16] <ogra> synaptic is nothing i want to expose to normal users like that, its complicated
[13:16] <RichEd> me is confused ... what option do they select to get easy edubuntu ?
[13:16] <pips1_> RichEd: I *do* think you misunderstood what happens / what the options are for the add-on cd...
[13:16] <ogra> lets just push for the add-on installer case
[13:16]  * RichEd waits for learning from a higher source
[13:16] <ogra> RichEd, just drop the one sentence
[13:16] <pips1_> RichEd: there is *no* option where you simply click a button and it installs every app on the add-on cd...
[13:17] <ogra>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7933/
[13:17] <RichEd> what option then replaces the ubuntu desktop with the edubuntu one ?
[13:17] <pips1_> you have the option to either install apps with the simple interface of gnome-app-installer, or the more advanced, but perhaps confusing synaptic package manager
[13:17] <ogra> .oO(it would have been helpful to have a look at the installation howto before writing teh text)
[13:17] <ogra> RichEd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7933/ write it like that
[13:18] <RichEd> loading
[13:18]  * pips1_ same
[13:18] <ogra> and drop "single process"
[13:18] <ogra> its several clicks
[13:18] <RichEd> pips ... take the wording from the link pasted
[13:18] <ogra> if you want link https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer
[13:19] <ogra> that describes the process exactly with screenshots
[13:19] <RichEd> i wasn't impying single click ... but one train of action
[13:19] <RichEd> as opposed to install dektop, then install apps
[13:20] <ogra> ah,k
[13:20] <RichEd> pips1_: slangasek i going ahead ... get the -page up so it is not a dummy link and we can refine
[13:20] <RichEd> it's not wrong at the moment ... we're basically clariifying
[13:21] <pips1_> hold on hold on
[13:21] <pips1_> we still need the release notes page
[13:21] <stgraber> slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS released!
[13:21] <pips1_> ahhhh
[13:21] <RichEd> ogra: so if they just want to select apps, and not change the desktop look & feel ... same button ? later choice
[13:22] <ogra> right
[13:22] <RichEd> pips1_: we have no release notes ... we reference ubuntu's
[13:22] <pips1_> RichEd: they need to choose / install the "edubuntu-desktop" package from the gnome-app-installer menu..
[13:22] <pips1_> no release notes?
[13:23] <RichEd> is the desktop selection obvious for a newbie ?
[13:23]  * stgraber is off again for a while
[13:23] <pips1_> but anyhow... we can't publish our download page until i have the go ahead from matt... he needs to change the script for the list mirrors...!
[13:23] <RichEd> pips1_: reference the ubuntu one only for now ... we can add any we need later
[13:24] <ogra> so seems we have released
[13:24] <ogra> \o/
[13:27] <RichEd> pips1_: can you prod matt or do i need to
[13:27] <pips1_> matt did it
[13:27] <pips1_> it works
[13:27] <pips1_> hang on
[13:27] <RichEd> go with your page anyway ... better to have our news up than a please wait linked from the ubuntu mass announce
[13:28] <RichEd> users can read up while they wait for mirrors
[13:30] <pips1_> ok I just put up the new download page
[13:30] <pips1_> but now i need to create two placeholders for the release notes and the "tour" that is linked to from the download page
[13:33] <pips1_> RichEd: what are the URLs you used for the "release notes" and "tour" ?
[13:33] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[13:33] <ogra> thats in the ubuntu announcement in my mail from 10 mins ago
[13:34] <pips1_> aaaha
[13:34] <RichEd> ogra: not his question
[13:34] <RichEd> pips1_: 1 sec
[13:34] <RichEd>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804
[13:34] <ogra> RichEd, well, thats the one we need up *right now*
[13:34] <pips1_> well, anyway, we are only ready and online with the *download* page, but nothing else
[13:34] <RichEd>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804overview
[13:34] <ogra> thousands of users click already
[13:34] <pips1_> absolutly, the get a 404 right now!!
[13:35] <ogra> right
[13:35] <RichEd> ogra: pips1_ is asking about links to embed on that page ... not the url it should be at
[13:35] <ogra> ah
[13:36] <RichEd> pips1_: those are sidebars ... get the landing page up as priority #1
[13:36] <RichEd> pliss
[13:36] <pips1_> phew... wo what link has been published via mail?
[13:36] <pips1_> the landing page?
[13:36] <pips1_> or has the mail not gone out yet? (i hope=
[13:36] <ogra> announcement is out since 14:17
[13:37] <RichEd> our announcement page referreced in the ubuntu-announce
[13:37] <ogra> 20 mins
[13:37] <RichEd> pips1_: make this one live "http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release"
[13:37] <ogra> the ubuntu announce mail refers to http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[13:37] <pips1_> what text should I publish there?!
[13:38] <RichEd> the release mail i sent you an hour and a bit back ...
[13:38] <RichEd> sorry i thought you were on top of that
[13:38] <RichEd> we discussed the content here with ogra
[13:39] <ogra> Find out what is new in this release with a graphical tour:
[13:39] <ogra>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour
[13:39] <ogra>   http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710
[13:39] <ogra> needs fixing though
[13:39] <ogra> s/710/804/
[13:40] <RichEd> ogra: pips1_ the tour link is:  http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804overview
[13:40] <ogra> ah
[13:41] <RichEd> have you seen that graphical overview ogra ... very sexy
[13:42] <ogra> well, iÄm using all these apps since months :)
[13:43] <ogra> that takes away a bit of the excitement :)
[13:45] <RichEd> pips1_: you winning there ?
[13:45]  * pips1_ is frantically preparing the page
[14:01]  * ogra hugs pips1_ 
[14:01] <ogra> thanks for that
[14:01] <highvoltage> pips1 ftw.
[14:02] <ogra> the banner at the top still says "Almost there!"
[14:03] <pips1_> ogra: I know that one is next
[14:03] <pips1_> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[14:03] <pips1_> ^^ ^ that is the correct URL right?
[14:03] <ogra> yup
[14:04] <RichEd> tx pips1_
[14:07] <highvoltage> is the release out?
[14:08] <ogra> since 30min or so, yes
[14:09] <pips1_> highvoltage: what was the file name of that updated banner logo you did?
[14:10] <pips1_> ogra: RichEd can you please come up with a better banner text?!
[14:11] <pips1_> http://www.edubuntu.org
[14:12] <RichEd> pips1_: on the release page:
[14:12] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and the new Edubuntu add-on CD is on its way! Nearly everything is complete, release is within 24 hours!
[14:12] <ogra> "8.04 is here" "Ubuntu 8.04 and the new Edubuntu add-on CD were released on Apr 24 2008, get it at <url>"
[14:12] <RichEd> change to:
[14:14] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and the Ubuntu Education Edition (Edubuntu 8.04) were released on April 24 2008. Read all about it at <url for release announcement>
[14:15] <RichEd> pips1_: and for the home page:
[14:16] <RichEd> pips1_: sorry ... leave it as "get it at" with download link <- for the announce page
[14:16] <RichEd> pips1_: and for the home page:
[14:17]  * pips1_ listens
[14:18] <RichEd> Hardy Heron Released !
[14:18] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu Education Edition add-on CD are now available. Get the latest Edubuntu desktop and applications.
[14:18] <RichEd> add for an optimal education enironment.
[14:19]  * RichEd corrects the spelling
[14:19] <RichEd> Hardy Heron Released !
[14:19]  * pips1_ waits
[14:19] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and Ubuntu Education Edition add-on CD are now available. Get the latest Edubuntu desktop and applications and Classroom server for an optimal education environment..
[14:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[14:20] <ogra> we shouldnt use the developmnet release namews in public announcements
[14:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> congrats to those who worked on it
[14:20] <ogra> (or put them in brackets at least)
[14:20] <ogra> the official release name is 8.04
[14:20] <ogra> not hardy heron
[14:20]  * RichEd points to ogra and stgraber as the rocks of 8.04
[14:21] <pips1_> everyone, reload the page...
[14:22] <RichEd> pips1_: announce or home ?
[14:22]  * pips1_ will change banner logo next
[14:22] <pips1_> home
[14:22] <pips1_> all pages, in fact
[14:22]  * RichEd reloads the internet
[14:24] <pips1_> highvoltage: aaargh, i can't change the logo, because only you have write permissions on that server directory..
[14:24] <RichEd> pips1_: edubuntu add-on is another term we are adding to the confusion :(
[14:24] <pips1_> RichEd: what? where? what do you want me to do?
[14:24] <pips1_> ah, you mean the text in the logo
[14:24] <pips1_> yeah
[14:25] <pips1_> highvoltage: ping ping
[14:25] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and the Ubuntu Education Edition CD have been released! Grab the latest versions of Edubuntu while they are hot!
[14:25]  * pips1_ looks for a work around
[14:26] <RichEd> Ubuntu 8.04 and the Ubuntu Education Edition CD 8,04 have been released! Grab the latest versions of Edubuntu desktop and Classroom server while they are hot!
[14:26] <pips1_> oh man
[14:26] <pips1_> I already changed it.. which one now?
[14:26]  * RichEd reloads
[14:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all. hope you get some good vibes :)
[14:27] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks, sleep tight
[14:27] <RichEd> the release notes banner text is still "amost there"
[14:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> catch you later all.
[14:27] <RichEd> bye karl
[14:28] <pips1_> RichEd: reload
[14:28] <ogra> pips1_, didnt update for .org
[14:29] <RichEd> pips1_: and when you have a moment to breathe ... please replace "You will never go back" with "The latest from Ubuntu Education "
[14:29] <RichEd> something like that
[14:30] <RichEd> you'll never go back sounds bit like a "forget sugar ... our sweetner is almost as good as the real thing"
[14:30] <RichEd> back to what ... that implies that something else exists for education
[14:30] <ogra> RichEd, its what we use on www.ubuntu.com as slogan
[14:31] <RichEd> ogra: okay but ughhh
[14:31] <pips1_> i think the slogan suck too
[14:31] <RichEd> i stick by my "you'll never go back" why admit there is a competition
[14:31] <pips1_> but I don't quite understand... i have changed it...
[14:31]  * RichEd reloads
[14:31] <ogra> RichEd, i dont like it either ... especially coupled with the promise of an uninstall feature
[14:31] <pips1_> yeah
[14:32] <ogra> (which surely users will look for and not uderstand the joke)
[14:32] <pips1_> ridiculous
[14:32] <RichEd> it says "we're almost as good, and hoping that you'll think we're as good or better"
[14:32] <pips1_> so guys, is the banner ok now?
[14:32] <ogra> it didnt chane on edubuntu.org
[14:33] <ogra> almost there ...
[14:33] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[14:33] <RichEd> this is still old
[14:33] <pips1_> the banner logo stil needs changed to "ubuntu education edition 8.04", but I can't do anything, because highvoltage has changed the write permissions on the server
[14:33] <RichEd> so who can do something pips1_ ?
[14:34] <ogra> RichEd, highvoltage apparentl
[14:34] <ogra> y
[14:34]  * RichEd phones jonathan
[14:34] <pips1_> RichEd: what is old about the 8.04-release page? what do I need to do?
[14:34]  * ogra still gets the old bannertext on edubuntu.org
[14:34] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[14:34] <ogra> pips1_, the banner
[14:34] <RichEd> banner text says almost there
[14:35] <pips1_> force reload?
[14:35] <ogra> it didnt change at all on edubuntu.org
[14:35] <ogra> only on edubuntu.com
[14:35] <RichEd> yep
[14:35] <pips1_> Huh?! it changed for me?
[14:35] <pips1_> hold on
[14:35] <pips1_> oh. perhaps drupal cache
[14:35] <ogra> .com is fine here "your'll never go back" ....
[14:36] <ogra> .org still shows "almost there"
[14:36] <pips1_> i think it is an issue with drupal caching the pages...
[14:37] <highvoltage> has the release happened?
[14:37]  * pips1_ tries to remember how to flush the chache in drupal
[14:37] <pips1_> highvoltage: !
[14:37] <pips1_> highvoltage: yes
[14:37] <ogra> highvoltage, we try to tell the world atm
[14:37] <RichEd> highvoltage: help pips1_ please
[14:37] <ogra> its just not as easy
[14:37] <highvoltage> ah, do I need to flush the drupal cache?
[14:37] <ogra> :)
[14:37] <pips1_> yep
[14:37] <highvoltage> ok
[14:37] <RichEd> change the logo ... 7.10 is no longer hot or cool
[14:37] <pips1_> and I need you to change the logo
[14:38] <highvoltage> sorry I was on the phone with a client who wanted me to explain *everything* in the most minute detail
[14:38] <pips1_> well, we need "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04" in the logo text, not "Edubunut 8.04"
[14:38] <jsgotangco> flush the drupal cache and force the cron too
[14:39] <highvoltage> refresh.
[14:39] <highvoltage> :)
[14:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[14:39] <ogra> yay
[14:39] <RichEd> highvoltage: all groovy ... 'cept for a silly
[14:40] <RichEd> logo text on http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release links to http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[14:40] <pips1_> highvoltage: did you just hit cron.php ?
[14:40] <RichEd> can you make a variant for that one page ?
[14:40] <pips1_> RichEd: I don't understand
[14:41] <pips1_> what is the prob
[14:41] <pips1_> ?
[14:41] <highvoltage> pips1_: nope, it's cronned
[14:41] <pips1_> hihi me is totally confused
[14:41] <ogra> oh, could we make the logo on the top left link to edubuntu.org instead of edubuntu-com
[14:41] <RichEd> pips1_: the logo on the edubuntu 8.04 page announcement page announces edubuntu 8.04 with a link to itself
[14:41] <ogra> *edubuntu.com
[14:42] <highvoltage> RichEd: where should it link to?
[14:42] <RichEd> if that page can be varied ... make the logo text: ubuntu 8.04
[14:42] <ogra> RichEd, that banner is shown on all sites on edubuntu.*
[14:42] <pips1_> RichEd: it can't
[14:42] <highvoltage> it can, actually :)
[14:42] <pips1_> the banner is there for *all* pages of the whole site...
[14:42] <RichEd> okay ... it's not a biggie
[14:42] <highvoltage> you can add an exception to the block
[14:42] <ogra> there is only one where it appears to link to itself :)
[14:42] <pips1_> well, yes, if we define a rule for the block
[14:42] <highvoltage> RichEd just needs to say what should be there instead of the log
[14:42] <highvoltage> *logo
[14:43] <highvoltage> but I don't think users will mind that, to be honest
[14:43] <RichEd> i 'spose it will only confuse the already challenged
[14:43] <pips1_> i also think it isn't a problem
[14:43] <pips1_> I prefer to get the release notes text up... instead.
[14:43] <RichEd> highvoltage: annonunce ubuntu instead of edubuntu ... and link to the ubuntu announce
[14:43] <highvoltage> well, they should figure it out after reading the release announcement a few times that they're getting the same page ;)
[14:44] <pips1_> LOL
[14:44] <pips1_> ok
[14:44] <pips1_> let's backtrack
[14:45] <pips1_> highvoltage: can you sort out the logo text first, please?
[14:45] <RichEd> highvoltage: let's hope none of the @nc cabinet members wear out their mouse button
[14:45] <ogra> highvoltage, only in the evening, if they notice that the links they clicked the whole day led all to the same pages :P
[14:45] <pips1_> "Edubuntu 8.04" should be "Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04" <--- right, RichEd ?
[14:45]  * RichEd shuts up for a bit and goes to poison his lungs
[14:46] <RichEd> pips1_: banner says ubuntu education edition
[14:46] <pips1_> oh
[14:46] <highvoltage> ogra: rofl
[14:46] <pips1_> reloads
[14:46] <RichEd> logo text can be edubuntu ... no problem with that
[14:47] <pips1_> oh
[14:47] <pips1_> ok
[14:47] <pips1_> all sweet for the banner, then
[14:47] <RichEd> it's an informal screamer / loudhailer add ... it can be familiar
[14:47] <RichEd> banner is hundreds
[14:47] <RichEd> does any other country use that slang term "hundreds"
[14:48] <RichEd> in za it means "perfect" in a casual way ... 100%
[14:48] <highvoltage> UGH
[14:49] <highvoltage> I don't have ubuntu-title installed
[14:53] <highvoltage> hmm, the exception doesn't seem to work for top-banner
[14:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: I have to tend to someone now, but will look at it again in ~1hr
[14:58] <pips1_> highvoltage: we will need to change the permissions on the server at some point... there is an edubuntu unix group already (i'm in that group), so we just need to give write permissions to the edubuntu group.
[14:58] <highvoltage> pips1_: righto
[14:58] <pips1_> that way, I can do the changes without having to pester you
[14:59] <highvoltage> pips1_: it's strange, we were both in the edubuntu group last time, but I couldn't update drupal (and the drupal files were in the edubuntu group)
[14:59] <highvoltage> either way, I agree it's something we need to sort out with the admins.
[14:59] <pips1_> right
[14:59] <highvoltage> will be back just a bit later...
[14:59] <pips1_> ic
[14:59] <pips1_> ok
[15:18] <RichEd> pips1_: my error ... please correct
[15:18] <RichEd> appplication
[15:18] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[15:19]  * pips1_ looks
[15:19] <pips1_> ah typo
[15:19] <RichEd> also: Edubuntu contributors:
[15:20] <RichEd> now says: contibutors:
[15:20] <RichEd> and add to the mailing lists:
[15:21] <RichEd> Ubuntu Education discussions:
[15:21] <RichEd> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education
[15:22] <RichEd> last one ... add after "global mirrors"
[15:22] <RichEd>  Edubuntu now comes with the fully integrated iTalc classroom management software allowing for teacher sharing, monitoring and control of networked workstations.
[15:22]  * RichEd bows down in homage to stgraber 
[15:24] <ogra> onitoring and control of networked workstations and thin clients
[15:25] <ogra> :)
[15:26] <pips1_> ok
[15:27] <pips1_> reload
[15:27] <RichEd> me has sent the mails to the 3 mail lists
[15:27]  * RichEd changes magazines and aims ahain
[15:27] <RichEd> *again
[15:27] <RichEd> ... have to fetch my kids from school ... back in 15
[15:28] <pips1_> question: what about the edubuntu release notes?
[15:29] <RichEd> pips1_: there are no release notes ... we refer to ubuntu release notes
[15:29] <pips1_> but we were asked to provide an url for them by mr. slang asek, no?
[15:30] <RichEd> not as far as i am aware ... he wanted a url for the release *announcement*
[15:30] <RichEd> which is the page you did for us that is not the download page
[15:31] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[15:31] <RichEd> dat wun
[15:31] <ogra> looks very good now
[15:32] <RichEd> thanks pips1_ ... appreciated
[15:32] <RichEd> :) +
[15:37] <ogra> well done, thanks a lot
[16:01] <pips1_> ogra: for people who are still running a LTSP lab with 6.06.1 LTSP, I would like to point to a page for LTSP configuration... The link at the bottom of the 6.06 "Getting Started" is broken...
[16:01] <pips1_> Can I use: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html
[16:02] <ogra> no
[16:02] <ogra> i dont think we have a dapper doc online anymore
[16:02] <pips1_> oh, i see
[16:02] <ogra> thats definately talking about stuff thats not available in dapper
[16:02] <pips1_> so I just remove the link, or make a note.
[16:02] <pips1_> ok
[16:03] <ogra> it fuly applies to hardy though
[16:03] <pips1_> strange how it is only available on doc.u.c rather than help.u.c
[16:06] <pips1_> "Unfortunately, there is no documentation available online on how to configure settings for Edubuntu 6.06 LTS. Please refer to the documentation that comes with your system."
[16:06] <pips1_> ogra: ^^^ is that ok?
[16:07] <ogra> hmm
[16:07] <pips1_> no, let's just write
[16:07]  * ogra is digging if there is some old doc left
[16:07] <ogra> sadly the wiki is a pain
[16:09] <pips1_> "Documentation on how to configure settings for Edubuntu 6.06 LTS is available in the Edubuntu Handbook, which is available in the Edubuntu System Help menu."
[16:09] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto was clearly a breezy/dapper page
[16:09] <ogra> but i cnat get to it
[16:09] <ogra> *cant
[16:09] <pips1_> oh
[16:09] <ogra> no, there was no handbook in dapper
[16:09] <pips1_> ah, i see
[16:10] <pips1_> ok, so I'll reference the ThinClientHowto wiki page
[16:10] <ogra> i know highvoltage once did a wikipage for dapper options and there was something linked from the ThinClientHowto
[16:10] <ogra> but with the wiki timeouts i cant get the url
[16:11] <pips1_> right
[16:12] <ogra> leave it out until the dust has settled
[16:13] <ogra> ah, wait
[16:13] <ogra> something loads
[16:13] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams smells like a dapper page .... need to verify though
[16:14] <ogra> ergh
[16:14] <ogra> for ubuntu dapper look at http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig
[16:14] <ogra> which doesnt exist
[16:14] <ogra> drop dapper
[16:15] <ogra> (there is really no point in using dapper ltsp in a new install anyway, it didnthave any features)
[16:17] <pips1_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams has loaded for me
[16:18] <pips1_> it says that these are for breezy (!)
[16:18] <ogra> its for breezy
[16:18] <ogra> with a link for dapper at the bootom which links to the above page which doesnt exist
[16:18] <ogra> really, drop dapper from the notes
[16:18] <pips1_> for dapper, it references a page on edubuntu.org, which mentions the handbook.
[16:18] <pips1_> my goodness
[16:19] <ogra> yay for wiki cleanups
[16:19] <ogra> well, really, i see no point for anyone to use dapper ltsp
[16:19] <ogra> it has no sound or localdev support, an ugly login manager and isnt really fast
[16:19] <pips1_> well, it's more for those few poor souls out there who are running dapper..
[16:20] <ogra> i doubt there are many using dapper ltsp in production, really
[16:20] <pips1_> ack, the link to the handbook on edubuntu.org is broken as well... what a mess!
[16:20] <ogra> people wanted sound and localdev support which you could ony get from ltsp 4.2 at that time
[16:46] <pips1_> ogra: where do you want me to add the link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[16:47] <ogra> well, as long as we have linked HardyClassroomServer from somewhere
[16:47] <ogra> it links to the ltsp page
[16:47] <pips1_> ah, ok
[16:48] <pips1_> in that case, I think I'm done for now
[16:48] <pips1_> hey, big congrats on the new release! wooohooo! :-)
[16:50] <pips1_> have a good evening
[16:50] <pips1_> I'm off.
[16:50] <pips1_> cheerio
[19:51] <DrX> i just installed Linux and the GUI won't work and the error is "Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  At least on Device section is required."  what do u run to fix this?
[20:40] <pips1> shipit.edubuntu.org still says "I want to pre-order CDs of Edubuntu 8.04" ... and "I want to download and test the beta version..."
[20:41] <pips1> oh, and the link in the chat topic is wrong.. it should be https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu
[23:42] <wubrgamer> what is the edubuntu addon cd?