[00:00] <stdin> that would depend on the ftpd config I guess
[00:01] <genii> timboy: Consult the documentation for whichever Windows based ftp server you installed under Wine
[00:01] <genii> timboy: But I'd suggest ditching it for something more practical like proftpd or vsftpd
[00:01] <timboy> genii, how will that tell me how to open up port 21 to a non-root user?
[00:02] <genii> timboy: Because the ftp server is what decides the port it uses and who can use it
[00:02] <DirkGently> timboy: what do you mean by open up?
[00:02] <genii> ergo the fault is with the application
[00:02] <DirkGently> firewall?
[00:02] <timboy> genii, I can set the port myself 1025 works fine but anything under 1025 doesn't. I want to use a standard ftp port though
[00:04] <genii> timboy: There is likely some convoluted method involving calling whatever Windows ftp daemon from something like xinetd but it's horribly inelegant
[00:04] <PhilRod> timboy: afaik, it's a restriction in the kernel that nonprivileged users can't bind to privileged ports
[00:04] <PhilRod> ah yeah, maybe xinetd would let you get round it
[00:05] <timboy> PhilRod, figured it out! authbind
[00:05] <timboy> genii, authbind
[00:05] <timboy> thx anyway
[00:06] <DirkGently> timboy: what is the ftp software?
[00:06]  * DirkGently is curious
[00:08] <timboy> DirkGently, bulletproof ftp server an excellent app that has built in blacklisting of ip's and tons of features and stats. that was the only thing keeping my iis box up and running still!
[00:09] <DirkGently> timboy: not Internet facing though? or you're not worried about it being circumvented?
[00:09] <timboy> DirkGently, what do you mean?
[00:10] <DirkGently> ftp is insecure
[00:10] <DirkGently> passwords are passed without encryption
[00:12] <DirkGently> is there an sftp version of bulletproof?
[00:12]  * DirkGently looks
[00:14] <DirkGently> timboy: no it doesn't: http://wiki.builtbp.com/index.php/Secure_FTP_Support
[00:15] <timboy> DirkGently, it is supposed to in their 3.x release but it doesn't look it is being worked on as of now... they just redid their website and started selling the client so i'll send them a question
[00:15] <timboy> i'm not worried though.
[00:15] <DirkGently> timboy: their suggestion to encrypt files is a bit lame too
[00:17] <admin1> hey, i need help to configure NVIDIA display on kubuntu 8.04 anyone?pls?
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> Is Kubuntu.org going to get a new design for the 8.04 release? I remember there was a competition for a new web design dome time back. Does anyone know for 	sure	?
[00:17] <stdin> admin1: until it's release, hardy support is in #ubuntu+1
[00:17] <timboy> DirkGently, yeah that's what I thought
[00:17] <timboy> lol
[00:19] <DirkGently> timboy: these small companies are usually quite good for support if they're active though
[00:20] <timboy> DirkGently, yeah but the program just straight rocks! and I don't have to modify one conf file... :D
[00:22] <DirkGently> timboy: there's probably management front ends for ssh server too
[00:23] <DirkGently> timboy: I know what you mean when you have an app that does exactly what you want
[00:24] <haider> hi how can i mount NTFS partitions ?
[00:24] <heath> haider: click on it
[00:24] <haider> i have one which don't appear when i launch the System
[00:25] <heath> it's not in storage media
[00:25] <haider> there was two one called File System which is for linux and the second (20GB drive)
[00:26] <haider> the second disappear
[00:26] <haider> ed
[00:26] <heath> haider: what does sudo fdisk -l say
[00:26] <heath> that should tell you the drives and there partitions
[00:26] <DirkGently> haider: is it in fstab?
[00:26] <haider> no
[00:28] <haider> /dev/sda1   *           1        6079    48829536   83  Linux
[00:28] <haider> /dev/sda2            6080        9730    29319168    6  FAT16
[00:28] <haider> this is for the sudo fdisk -l
[00:28] <heath> haider: there is no NTFS drive
[00:28] <haider> i know it is just disappeared
[00:28] <haider> i'm sure there was one
[00:29] <heath> so you should have /dev/sdb ?
[00:29] <genii> Perhaps you unallocated it
[00:29] <haider> i stored in it lot of data :(
[00:29] <DirkGently> ouch!
[00:29] <heath> haider: do you have 2 drives or just 1
[00:29] <haider>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[00:29] <haider> /dev/sdb1               1       19457   156288321    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[00:29] <haider> i see this too
[00:29] <heath> haider: Are you sure it's a NTFS drive
[00:29] <haider> i have only one and an external hard drive
[00:30] <haider> yeah there was vista on it
[00:30] <DirkGently> haider: is this dual-boot?
[00:30] <genii> haider: If you upgraded to ntfs fs on there from win98/me or so then the partition info makes more sense
[00:30] <DirkGently> does it still boot into Vista?
[00:30] <haider> i format it when was vista on the PC
[00:30] <haider> no
[00:30] <DirkGently> do you get the option ?
[00:31] <haider> it was working before a week
[00:31] <heath> haider: was vista on the same drive you installed linux
[00:31] <haider> but now it is just disappeared
[00:31] <DirkGently> haider: it worked since you installed Kubuntu?
[00:31] <haider> no no i removed vista completely but i kept the other partition
[00:31] <haider> yea it was working
[00:32] <heath> haider: You use any partioning tools recently did you?
[00:32] <DirkGently> how big was the drive?
[00:32] <haider> 80 GB
[00:32] <haider> all
[00:32] <haider> it was only 30 GB
[00:33] <heath> haider: what does df -h show
[00:33] <stdin> and please use pastebin
[00:33] <stdin> !paste
[00:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:34] <haider> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:34] <haider> /dev/sda1              46G   27G   17G  62% /
[00:35] <DirkGently> looks like you need to add /dev/sda2 to fstab
[00:35] <heath> The partition should still show
[00:35] <DirkGently> do you know where it was mounted before?
[00:35] <haider> really i didn't check that
[00:36] <DirkGently> heath: sda2 does (fat16 not ntfs)
[00:36] <DirkGently> haider: why did you keep the 30GB partition?
[00:37] <haider> to store some data
[00:37] <DirkGently> why not format it ext3?
[00:37] <DirkGently> for Linux
[00:37] <haider> cause the data was on vista before
[00:37] <DirkGently> as you're not running Windows
[00:37] <haider> so i don't wanna remove it
[00:38] <haider> so any solution ?
[00:38] <heath> haider: just do a reboot and see if it shows up again. use fdisk -l
[00:38] <heath> haider: can you pastebin df -j for me
[00:38] <heath> haider: can you pastebin df -h for me*****
[00:39] <DirkGently> he showed it in channel
 /dev/sda1              46G   27G   17G  62% /
[00:40] <haider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64153/
[00:40] <haider> here it is
[00:40] <INIT_6> I found my answer about a month or so ago. just can't find the same page. I need to know how to exclude a package from updating. any suggestions?
[00:40] <DirkGently> haider: can you do the contents of fstab too?
[00:40] <heath> thanks... now sudo fdisk -l
[00:41] <haider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64154/
[00:41] <haider> here it is
[00:42] <DirkGently> fstab???
 friends, i have install nvidia-settings on kubuntu8.04 but i just can't see all the options du the screen's res, i'm trying to set it to more than 640*480 but in the gui setting centre i just can't, please give me any advice to change that..
[00:43] <haider> no this is the fdisk -l
 haider: can you do the contents of fstab too?
[00:43] <haider> how is that ?
[00:43] <DirkGently> cat /etc/fstab
[00:44] <haider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64155/
[00:44] <haider> here it is
[00:45] <heath> haider: no NTFS.... maybe your disk is out of sync (highly unlikely) or you have some how removed the partition
[00:45] <INIT_6> *bumb* How do you exclude a package from showing up in adept updater?
[00:45] <haider> so how can i get it back
[00:45] <haider> ?
[00:45] <heath> haider: I would try a reboot and see what fdisk -l tells you then...
[00:45] <sgrover> INIT_6: pin the package
[00:45] <heath> you should have a file system of NTFS
[00:45] <DirkGently> heath: how about getting him to mount sda2 first?
[00:45] <INIT_6> thank you sgrover
[00:46] <sgrover> :) not sure on the details of how to do the "pin", but that's the phrase I've heard
[00:46] <DirkGently> see if his data is on there
[00:46] <haider> dear i want it back even if i lose the data
[00:46] <heath> Sounds good to me
[00:46] <haider> i tried to mount sda2
[00:46] <heath> haider: mkdir fat
[00:46] <heath> haider: did you get an error
[00:46] <haider> yeah
[00:46] <haider> let me show u
[00:47] <heath> what was it
[00:47] <DirkGently> :)
[00:47] <heath> DirkGently: /dev/sda2 is 30GB
[00:47] <haider> mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[00:47] <DirkGently> heath: exactly my point
[00:47] <heath> what command are you typing
[00:48] <haider> mount -a /dev/sda2
[00:48] <heath> haider: mkdir fat
[00:48] <stdin> no need for -a there
[00:48] <DirkGently> :)
[00:48] <heath> mount /dev/sda2 fatsudo
[00:48] <heath> sudo mount /dev/sda2 fat****
[00:49] <haider> mount: mount point fat does not exist
[00:49] <timboy> ok so there is some ftp daemon running on my system.. how do I remove it?
[00:49] <haider> so i have to make mkdir fat
[00:49] <heath> haider: did you mkdir fat
[00:49] <DirkGently> right
[00:49] <backtick> #kubuntu-kde4
[00:49] <backtick> ah sorry
[00:49] <haider> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[00:49] <backtick> was trying to join
[00:49] <haider> i get this now
[00:50] <backtick> well hello kubuntuians
[00:50] <DirkGently> timboy: what do you have in /etc/init.d/*ftp*
[00:50] <DirkGently> ie any ftp scripts?
[00:51] <DirkGently> haider: sudo mount -f vfat /dev/sda2 fat
[00:51] <DirkGently> haider: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 fat
[00:51] <DirkGently> it's late here
[00:51] <timboy> yes thx DirkGently I should have figured... ;)
[00:52] <DirkGently> timboy: dpkg -l | grep ftpd ?
[00:52] <haider> it doesnt work
[00:53] <haider> anyway thank you guys :)
[00:53] <heath> haider: we need the errors
[00:53] <heath> sudo mount -t autofs /dev/sda2 fat
[00:53] <haider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64156/
[00:53] <haider> here is the error
[00:54] <heath> can you paste dmesg | tail
[00:55] <heath> haider: are you sure you didn't change the FS by mistake?
[00:55] <haider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64157/
[00:55] <haider> here it is
[00:55] <haider> yeah i'm sure
[00:55] <haider> i didn't do anything
[00:56] <heath> haider: do you have a bluetooth adapter in?
[00:56] <haider> yeah
[00:58] <haider> i remove it and this is the error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64158/
[00:59] <heath> haider: what version of kubuntu are you using?  lsb_release -a
[01:00] <haider> 7.10
[01:00] <haider> gusty
[01:00] <haider> gutsy ***
[01:01] <heath> looks like there are some bluetooth issues going on... are you planning to upgrade tomorrow?
[01:01] <haider> may be
[01:02] <haider> i removed the bluetooth
[01:02] <heath> did you try mount -t autofs
[01:03] <haider> yeah i did
[01:04] <heath> see if a restart gets you any where....
[01:04] <haider> ok
[01:04] <haider> thanks for help
[01:04] <haider> see u
[01:07] <bz029> What is the best way to go about with a script that sends an email if a specific pattern is printed to the syslog?
[01:09] <TeslaTony> Is there a way to search for files that DON'T match a string?
[01:10] <TeslaTony> Specifically, anything that isn't *.mp3 or *.m3u in /Music
[01:10] <stdin> find /path -not -iname "*.mp3" ?
[01:10] <ubuntu_> HOLA
[01:10] <ubuntu_> COMO ETAN TODOS
[01:11] <ubuntu_MICHAEL> ALQUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR
[01:11] <TeslaTony> !es | _MICHAEL
[01:11] <ubotu> _MICHAEL: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:11] <ubuntu_MICHAEL> ESTOY USANDO EL UBUNTU, PERO NO SE COMO CONFIGURAR EL  MODEMS
[01:11] <TeslaTony> !caps | _MICHAEL
[01:11] <ubotu> _MICHAEL: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:11] <stdin> ubuntu_MICHAEL: /join #kubuntu-es
[01:15] <DirkGently> so he can shout in #kubuntu-es ?
[01:15] <heath> lol
[01:15] <stdin> rather there than here :)
[01:16] <DirkGently> I suppose it's no different to English tourists in Spain thinking that shouting will make them understood
[01:17] <TeslaTony> In twenty years, we're going to be hanging around in a holodeck lounge, talking to each other, and someone is bound to walk in with a tuba-sized megaphone, going "ENTSCHULDIGUNG! KANN JEMAND MIR HOREN?!?!?!"
[01:18] <TeslaTony> Ah, ign0ramus, you have come to the right channel
[01:18] <heath> anyone use virtualbox?
[01:19] <stdin> !anyone
[01:19] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> heath: yes
[01:19] <heath> nosrednaekim: is there anyway to start machines upon boot??
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... put the command in your kde autostart folder
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[01:20] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:20] <heath> nosrednaekim: I mean boot... not login
[01:20] <heath> I have a headless XP start on login
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> heath: no... since you need to be running X for it to work
[01:20] <DirkGently> nosrednaekim: is that your real name Mike?
[01:20] <heath> nosrednaekim: even headless?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> I think... of not, just put the command in /etc/rc.local
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> DirkGently: indeed :)
[01:21] <heath> nosrednaekim: I will try it ... thanks
[01:21] <DirkGently> At least your's is almost readable... lol
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> if it is long :)
[01:25] <backtick> heath: look up "framebuffer" for headless GUI applications
[01:26] <heath> backtick: i'm checking it out rught now... thanks
[01:35] <jlund> KDE Forever!
[01:35] <jlund> Am I right guys?
[01:36] <heath> lol
[01:36] <jlund> This place is like a funeral compared to #ubuntu
[01:36] <jlund> But we all know our desktop is better!
[01:37] <Odd-rationale> +1 for kde
[01:37] <heath> we are all toasted
[01:37] <heath> KDE is all about the visuals right?
[01:37] <Odd-rationale> heath: not just about the visuals...
[01:38] <heath> Odd-rationale: just a joke
[01:38] <Odd-rationale> sorry. didn't get it ... :)
[01:38] <heath> it's ok I'm not funny anyway
[01:38] <backtick> heath: KDE is all about clocks =P
[01:39] <heath> lol
[01:39] <heath> backtick: I can see your desktop now
[01:39] <backtick> yeah but youn haven't seen my walls ;)
[01:41] <backtick> which reminds me i should do an oxygyn/kde4 nokia theme
[01:45] <jlund> Nokia? Like the cell phone company?
[01:46] <ubuntu_> hi !
[01:47] <jlund> What's up ubuntu_?
[01:47] <heath> Is it possible to use skype with a bluetooth cell phone piece?
[01:47] <heath> I see a bluetooth audio package
[01:47] <ubuntu_> i just make a test with ubutu linux os !
[01:48] <ubuntu_> i[m not a linux user
[01:48] <heath> ubuntu_: you like??
[01:49] <ubuntu_nick> nick Nagais good
[01:49] <backtick> jlund: yeah, a nokia phone theme
[01:49] <jlund> backtick: Can you run this on your phone now?
[01:49] <heath> You know... I wanted to order an Ubuntu coffee mug for $5 and shipping was $20
[01:50] <Odd-rationale> i know. I wanted to order stickers. but $10 for shipping?!
[01:50] <ubuntu_nick> realy
[01:50] <dsmith_> Odd-rationale: mkae your own stickers
[01:50] <heath> Odd-rationale: we should start a store
[01:50] <dsmith_> *make
[01:50] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: I don't have a good printer...
[01:50] <backtick> jlund: i didn't make the theme yet but they are fairly easy to make.. just some images and an XML file
[01:50] <dsmith_> I used inkskape and found someone that had a great printer
[01:51] <dsmith_> printer a sheet on stickey paper
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> I do have the F/OSS sticker books. vol I & II
[01:51] <dsmith_> whats that?
[01:51] <backtick> jlund:  and ultimately depends one the phone model family
[01:51] <Nagark> ok i need go now flws !!!
[01:52] <dsmith_> nm I found it
[01:52] <backtick> s/one/on
[01:52] <Devourer> How do I paste something from my clipboard into Konsole?
[01:52] <Odd-rationale> dsmith_: http://www.openstickers.com/
[01:52] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: shift+insert ?
[01:53] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, yeah, thanks... Strange... is there another way though? That automatically executes the command.
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> Devourer: right-click --> paste
[01:54] <Devourer> Odd-rationale, no hotkey? Lol.
[01:54] <Jucato> Devourer: it automatically executes the command if you had included the "Enter" character in the selection you copied
[01:55] <Jucato> (that is, you selected up to the next line or something like that)
[01:55] <stdin> Ctrl-Shift-V
[01:55] <Devourer> Jucato, hmmm... maybe I did...
[01:55] <Jucato> otherwise, normally it wouldn't execute pasted commands
[01:55] <Devourer> stdin, that doesn't work.
[01:56] <stdin> Devourer: new lines will be interpreted as "enter" though, so watch that, I know I've ran a few commands I didn't mean to that way
[01:57] <Devourer> stdin, yeah, that could suck.]
[01:58] <backtick> Devourer: shit + insert
[01:58]  * backtick adores yakuake
[01:59] <jlund> !language | backtick
[01:59] <ubotu> backtick: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[02:00] <Devourer> Lol, what?
[02:00] <backtick> adore v [T not in progressive] [Date: 1300-1400; Language: French; Origin: adorer, from Latin adorare, from ad- 'to' + orare 'to speak, pray']// to love someone very much and feel very proud of them
[02:01] <backtick> had to check since i'm not a native english speaker =P
[02:01] <dsmith_> yakuake is sweet
[02:01] <dsmith_> jus' F12 and off you go....
[02:02] <stdin> backtick: I believe he as referring to the the typo, missing f after i and before t in "shift" ;)
[02:02]  * genii sips his beer
[02:02] <backtick> aah wow
[02:03] <backtick> ehm, that's LCDs for me
[02:03] <stdin> you'd be surprised how often that happens though
[02:04] <freeblowed> which is the best kde 4 kubuntu to download
[02:04] <backtick> sounds like a good candidate for "auto replace" in konversation config
[02:04] <stdin> freeblowed: hmm? how many are there?
[02:05] <freeblowed> 8
[02:06] <stdin> who told you there were 8 kubuntu kde4 releases?
[02:06] <stdin> there's barely one
[02:06] <freeblowed> kubuntu.org
[02:07] <freeblowed> alpha 1 and up to 6 and then beta and rc
[02:07] <stdin> you mean the alphas/betas/rcs ?
[02:07] <stdin> yeah, those are pre-released
[02:07] <freeblowed> yeah which is best?
[02:07] <stdin> the official release is today
[02:07] <genii> Sometime :)
[02:07] <freeblowed> oh really
[02:07] <freeblowed> so i should just wait then huh
[02:07] <stdin> probably within the next 10 hours </guess>
[02:07] <stdin> 10-12 anyway
[02:08] <freeblowed> then all the mirrors will be bogged like hell for a few days
[02:08] <genii> 2:08 BST .... I wonder how long the mirrors take to sync
[02:08] <freeblowed> i could barely get 710 when that came out for a few days
[02:08] <tekteen> torrent is faster
[02:08] <genii> Well it's basically a DDOS attack then :)
[02:08] <genii> I'm just waiting to seed torrents
[02:08] <backtick> freeblowed: in software relaces they are ordered like this (from earlies and least stable to newsest and most stable): alpha, beta, (sometimes but rarrly gamma) release and rc = release candicate and then the finla release
[02:09] <backtick> s/relaces/releases
[02:09] <tekteen> even if it is blocked by the ISP torrent is faster then the http/ftp
[02:09] <tekteen> :-)
[02:09] <genii> Yup
[02:09] <tekteen> backtick: lol
[02:09] <tekteen> backtick: perl guy?
[02:09] <freeblowed> why alpha beta gamma?
[02:09] <backtick> tekteen: ruby =P
[02:09] <freeblowed> where's c d e f
[02:10] <tekteen> ok
[02:10] <tekteen> close enough :-P
[02:10] <stdin> the greek alphabet is a different order than the roman one
[02:10] <backtick> freeblowed: because they sound cooler ;)
[02:11] <freeblowed> oh i see it's a b g d e z e ...
[02:11] <stdin> wikipedia ftw :p
[02:12] <tekteen> freeblowed: Hebrew is also messed up that way :-)
[02:12] <Odd-rationale> there is also RC. I wonder which alphabet that is from...
[02:12] <stdin> Release Candidate ;)
[02:12] <tekteen> LOL
[02:13] <Odd-rationale> i was joking of course....
[02:13] <tekteen> I know
[02:13] <stdin> I know, I was being pedantic
[02:13] <tekteen> but it is funny all the same
[02:13] <backtick> stdin: you're being a gcc compile option ? :P
[02:14] <stdin> nah, I'd be -ansi -pedantic
[02:14] <stdin> oh, and -Wall
[02:15] <tekteen> I am doing a little polling. How many people are going to be using kubuntu-kde4? I am probably going to install kde4 and then install kde3 in case I get sick of kde4 (I know it will happen).
[02:16] <backtick> tekteen: i was going to install both side by side and finally give up on kde 4 and stick to 3
[02:17] <tekteen> same as me ;-)
[02:17] <tekteen> first install kde4 and then kde3
[02:17] <tekteen> and wait till I get sick of kde4
[02:18] <TeslaTony> I'm using Ubuntu with the Kubuntu-KDE4-Desktop package installed
[02:23] <wesley__> does someone want to test some plasma-debs ?
[02:23] <tekteen> wesley__: I am bored and have nothing to do
[02:23] <tekteen> wesley__: I am in kde 3 now but have kde4
[02:24] <wesley__> uh a standard kde4?
[02:24] <tekteen> In gutsy
[02:24] <tekteen> through the ppa repo
[02:25] <wesley__> uh no i upload the deb
[02:25] <heath> Is anyone running compiz?
[02:25] <tekteen> wesley__: what do you need me to test?
[02:26] <tekteen> !ask | heath
[02:26] <ubotu> heath: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[02:27] <wesley__> tekteen if you can install it without any probems i dont know if it need depend on something whats not standard in kde4
[02:28] <heath> ok.... is anybody running compiz with KDE fx enabled
[02:28] <heath> I was just trying to start a konversation
[02:28] <tekteen> heath: it is not possible to run both
[02:28] <wesley__> tekteen: heres the the plasma deb http://www.mediafire.com/?ycmneualyjo
[02:28] <tekteen> ok
[02:28] <heath> tekteen: when compiz starts does it disable them by default
[02:29] <tekteen> heath: it turns off kwin while it is running
[02:29] <wesley__> tekteen please let me know if the deb works without a problem
[02:29] <Jucato> heath: KDE 4 effects come with KWin, KDE's default window manager. Compiz is another window manager. You can't have 2 window managers running at the same time
[02:29] <heath> I gotcha...
[02:29] <tekteen> bye guys
[02:30] <tekteen> got to login to kde4
[02:30] <wesley__> okay
[02:30] <heath> Jucato: thanks for clearing that up... I should of just thought about it more
[02:30] <unix_infidel> hey Jucato
[02:30] <stdin> wesley__: that package has no dependencies
[02:31] <nbf7777> guys stupid question probably... but how do you pen the terminalin kubuntu?
[02:31] <Jucato> hey unix_infidel
[02:31] <heath> pin the konsole?
[02:31] <Jucato> nbf7777: "pen"?
[02:31] <tekteen> open
[02:31] <Jucato> oh...
[02:31] <nbf7777> open sorry
[02:31] <Jucato> K Menu -> System -> Konsole
[02:31] <wesley__> stdin: you know sure i can not test on my own pc becauuse i got everthing i i needed it
[02:31] <nbf7777> small keboard. the asus eee is to tiny
[02:32] <nbf7777> thank you much jucato
[02:32] <stdin> wesley__: dpkg-deb --info plasma-bball_20080424-1_i386.deb
[02:32] <heath> when compiz crashes... where does it dump its log?
[02:32] <stdin> wesley__: checkinstall isn't a good way to make packages
[02:33] <backtick> nbf7777: you can press alt+f2 and type konsole
[02:33] <Jucato> heath: most apps dump system-related logs in /var/log/
[02:33] <wesley__> stdin: i dont know a other way to do it easy
[02:33] <heath> that's were i'm looking
[02:34] <wesley__> tekteen did you install it succesfull ? and can you add that plasmoid
[02:34] <stdin> wesley__: have a look at the extragear-plasma package, you can just grab the debian/rules and debian/cdbs/ dir from there
[02:34] <Jucato> heath: you might want to ask in #compiz-fusion for help
[02:35] <heath> Jucato: thanks
[02:35] <wesley__> stdin: you mean i find there the depends ?
[02:35] <stdin> wesley__: no, you don't add dependencies manually, there are automated tools to do that for you
[02:35] <tekteen> wesley__: do I need to restart kde4 after installing?
[02:35] <stdin> !packaging | wesley__, read this
[02:35] <ubotu> wesley__, read this: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[02:36] <Devourer> Is much going to change for Kubuntu with 8.04?
[02:36] <wesley__> tekteen: no if it install succesfull it shoul appear in you plasma menu
[02:36] <tekteen> Devourer: yeah... kde4
[02:36] <tekteen> wesley__: what is added?
[02:36] <Devourer> tekteen, does Kubuntu not use KDE4 right now?
[02:37] <wesley__> a sort of ball bball its called
[02:37] <tekteen> Devourer: there will be 2 versions
[02:37] <Jucato> !khardy | Devourer
[02:37] <ubotu> Devourer: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[02:37] <haider> hi
[02:37] <haider> where is heath ?
[02:37] <Devourer> O.o
[02:38] <tekteen> my computer is too messed up to test
[02:38] <tekteen> sorry
[02:38] <backtick> i'm downloading the packages
[02:38] <heath> haider: what's up
[02:38] <haider> hiii heath
[02:38] <tekteen> run it in a virtual machine :-P
[02:39] <haider> i make it
[02:39] <wesley__> tekteen if doesnt that will problaly be that there are no depends
[02:39] <haider> i restored the partition
[02:39] <jtmonz> how do i enable effects in kde4?
[02:39] <heath> sweet...
[02:39] <heath> what was the issue
[02:39] <haider> i used the cfdisk
[02:39] <haider> after i used shred
[02:39] <tekteen> wesley__: when I am playing with this stuff I create a "untainted image" and then build on it
[02:39] <heath> so the partition was actually damaged
[02:39] <haider> exactly
[02:40] <heath> you just made new... what type of fs
[02:40] <haider> mkfs
[02:40] <haider> and everything is fine
[02:40] <Jucato> jtmonz: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[02:40] <heath> mkfs.ext3 ?
[02:40] <haider> i used linux file system
[02:40] <heath> word
[02:40] <haider> yeah ext3
[02:41] <wesley__> tekteen just like i tough you need depends i got them already most of them
[02:41] <heath> haider: sucks you lost everything
[02:41] <haider> it is working now and i am happy cheeeeeers
[02:41] <heath> I would of told you to ice it if you didn't need anything
[02:41] <haider> no problem i have 80 % in the external device
[02:41] <haider> they were C# codes only
[02:42] <haider> programs i made before
[02:42] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know if any big bugs have been found in the hardy rc? i'm thinking about dling/installing it right now, but i can wait if there's going to be a big difference in tomorrow's release
[02:42] <haider> you are sweet guy dear heath thanks for ur help :)
[02:43] <haider> i do appreciate that for u
[02:43] <Dr_willis> secleinteer,  you may as well wait a day. save on server load.
[02:43] <heath> no problem... anytime
[02:44] <haider> so there is a new release today ?
[02:44] <backtick> secleinteer: if there are, the packages will show as updates as usual.. well i think unless it's something to do with filesystem structure or a startup process
[02:44] <Dr_willis> secleinteer,  ive had some issues.. but theres a new kernel release in todays updates.. so perhaps that will fix things
[02:44] <heath> tomorrow
[02:44] <tekteen> haider: tomorrow
[02:44] <heath> well... I guess it depends where u  are at
[02:44] <haider> for me now its 24 Apr
[02:44] <heath> is it tomorrow anywhere yet
[02:44] <haider> how about u all ?
[02:44] <secleinteer> Dr_willis: ok, i'll wait then
[02:45] <heath> lol
[02:45] <heath> 9:45pm on the 23rd
[02:45] <haider> i'm in Mars so the date kinda different hehehehehe
[02:46] <haider> its so nice on Mars
[02:46] <haider> :D
[02:46] <tekteen> mars has bad weather
[02:46] <tekteen> and the year is much longer
[02:46] <haider> its 4:46 AM 24 Apr
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> and its red
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> yech
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:47] <backtick> haider: asia?
[02:47] <haider> yeah but it is nice cause nobody there but me
[02:47] <haider> i'm living in Jordan
[02:47] <haider> actually Iraqi
[02:47] <haider> planning to reach USA
[02:47] <haider> nice mix right ? :d
[02:48] <haider> Jordan , Iraq and USA
[02:48] <heath> sounds exciting
[02:48] <tekteen> I live on pluto
[02:48] <heath> not even a planet
[02:48] <heath> anymore
[02:48] <haider> yeah Pluto is nice but its too cold
[02:48] <haider> come to iraq and you will enjoy your time
[02:49] <tekteen> I have not been allowed on earth since pluto was declared not a planet
[02:49] <haider> always : Boooooooooooom Dooooooooooooooom
[02:49] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:49] <haider> Explosions
[02:49] <haider> lol
[02:49] <tekteen> Jucato: If anyone comes with a real question we can always stop ;-)
[02:49] <Jucato> no
[02:49] <heath> ubotu: How can I get a kubuntu coffee mug to support kubuntu
[02:50] <tekteen> fine
[02:50] <haider> who is Jucato ?
[02:50] <backtick> a #kubuntu overlord
[02:50] <backtick> it seems
[02:50] <Roey> :D
[02:50] <Jucato> right
[02:50] <backtick> =P
[02:50] <Roey> Jucato can give ops kickbacks to his friends too
[02:51] <heath> i'm out guys... have a good night or day
[02:51] <haider> overlord ? you mean he is like Ekhlees ?
[02:51] <asobi> where is my space going? just noticed 11gb+ is used @_@
[02:51]  * Roey blinksblinksblinksblinks
[02:51] <haider> he can kill anyone
[02:51] <haider> :-p
[02:51] <Roey> like Light
[02:51] <Roey> in Death Note
[02:51] <haider> see you heath
[02:51] <Dr_willis> Plus he as a reserved parking space!
[02:51] <Roey> which I'm currently neck-deep in
[02:51] <Jucato> ahem
[02:51] <Dr_willis> at least no one in here is asking  at what exact time will the release be released...
[02:51] <haider> so we have a Terminator here
[02:52] <Jucato> asobi: if you can, try to install the package "filelight". it will give you a graphical representation of used space
[02:52] <tekteen> Dr_willis: 12:20 AM EDT :-)
[02:52] <asobi> i don't need a picture. i like to know why it's using so much space
 where is my space going? just noticed 11gb+ is used @_@ <---- tekteen, there's your real question
[02:52] <Dr_willis> is filelight the one that goves the 'blocks' layout of disk ussage? I recall seeing another similer tool. but can never rember its name
[02:52] <Jucato> asobi: um... you were asking "where", so filelight will tell you where
[02:52] <Jucato> then you can find out "why"
[02:53] <asobi> ah
[02:53] <Jucato> asobi: it's just not a pretty picture, you can click on it to go to that location
[02:53] <tekteen> Jucato: I can't answer that question :-)
[02:55] <haider> tell me how can i register in here ?
[02:55] <haider> so i can send PM
[02:55] <haider> and stuffs
[02:55] <tekteen> !register
[02:55] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[02:56] <GLADIATOR> hello
[02:56] <asobi> i need more ram too :/
[02:56] <tekteen> GLADIATOR: hello
[02:56] <GLADIATOR> i changed my name
[02:56] <GLADIATOR> i was haider before
[02:56] <asobi> ooooooooooo
[02:56] <GLADIATOR> looool
[02:56] <tekteen> ok
[02:56] <asobi> is trash stored under root??
[02:56] <tekteen> lol
[02:56] <GLADIATOR> i love this name
[02:56] <tekteen> asobi: if you were logged in as root
[02:57] <tekteen> asobi: else it is stored in your user folder
[02:57] <asobi> um
[02:57] <asobi> how can i tell?
[02:57] <Jucato> asobi: your user's trash? no. you can enter trash:/ in Konqueror to get to it
[02:57] <tekteen> you are not logged in as root
[02:57] <asobi> ah ok
[02:57] <Dr_willis> if you ran the file manager as root. and deleted a lot of things.. your root users trash may be taking up space.
[02:59] <asobi> it's showing a lot under /local/share
[02:59] <asobi> how can i make it so trash doesn't take up space?
[02:59] <Dr_willis> emopty the trash regularry?
[02:59] <Dr_willis> you mean .local/share/Trash?
[03:00] <asobi> yea
[03:00] <asobi> and why is there a var/backup ?
[03:02] <Simulator> how can i set a password for my nick name ?
[03:02] <asobi> ./ns register nick pass
[03:03] <asobi> thanks for filelight. very helpful!
[03:08] <haider> so anyone know how can i activate the voice chat in ubuntu ?
[03:08] <haider> over messenger
[03:09] <haider> i mean for yahoo
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> haider: don't think you can
[03:10] <haider> why ?
[03:10] <tekteen> search for yahoo im clients
[03:10] <tekteen> one does it
[03:11] <backtick> haider: kopete doesn't support yahoo voice chat
[03:12] <backtick> haider: try Gizmo or well try skype
[03:12] <haider> i know that
[03:12] <tekteen> haider: I know one works
[03:12] <haider> give it to me please
[03:13] <tekteen> haider: looking for it
[03:13] <timboy> terminal redirection isn't working for me... I'm running: ~/cxoffice/bin/wine --debugmsg=all --bottle=NOF10 Fusion.exe > fusion.log and it still displays all in the terminal
[03:13] <haider> not all applications works with wine
[03:14] <haider> i do appreciate that tekteen
[03:14] <timboy> haider, i know that i just want to see what's failing and it's too much to look at in terminal
[03:14] <nexus> hey everyone
[03:14] <nexus> any idea why package updates would fail on a fresh install of kubuntu?
[03:14] <nexus> this is the error I get
[03:14] <nexus> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:14] <haider> yeah
[03:15] <haider> edit the sources.list
[03:15] <haider> and remove the # from deb ...
[03:15] <haider> all of them
[03:15] <haider> the run sudo apt-get update
[03:15] <nexus> ok, will do. how do I get it to do updates again
[03:15] <nexus> k
[03:15] <haider> after that it will be fine
[03:16] <haider> you can get updates and new packages
[03:17] <tekteen> haider: meebo.com may work
[03:17] <haider> let me see
[03:17] <tekteen> haider: it is a browser based im client
[03:17] <backtick> timboy: you're redirecting only stdout and not stderr
[03:17] <haider> :( i know that site
[03:17] <timboy> backtick, how do i do both?
[03:17] <tekteen> and my bro says it has some functionality for voice. not sure about yahoo voice
[03:17] <haider> i see it before
[03:18] <haider> may be one time we can make some messenger that provides voice and cam ( Dreaming ) lol
[03:19] <haider> skype is fine
[03:19] <backtick> timboy: something >& somehwre
[03:19] <haider> but stupid
[03:19] <timboy> backtick, sweet thx!!!
[03:20] <haider> emmmmm who know about installing Dock ?
[03:20] <haider> i did the steps that i found in ubuntu forums but i got nothin
[03:24] <nexus> yeah seemed to fix it
[03:24] <nexus> what about those other packages that failed though?
[03:24] <nexus> will this take care of them?
[03:24] <haider> try apt-get install -f
[03:25] <haider> or apt-get update -f
[03:26] <haider> use sudo apt-get install -f
[03:26] <haider> sudo apt-get update -f
[03:27] <nexus> I did update -f
[03:28] <haider> did it work ?
[03:28] <nexus> install -f just tells me what has been ugraded, newly installed, remove, or not upgraded.
[03:28] <nexus> well
[03:28] <nexus> there is new packages to be upgraded
[03:28] <nexus> I just want to make sure I am not missing any packages because of that failure before
[03:29] <haider> how can i start my car using ubuntu terminal ? :D
[03:30] <nexus> guess I am just being paranoid, it would tell me if there were packages that didnt install
[03:30] <nexus> they would just show up as new updates, I am sure of it
[03:31] <jitendra> nexus: they are held coz the updates may not be stable
[03:31] <jitendra> nexus: i mean upgrades
[03:32] <nexus> hmm, so you think they are still there, un-upgraded eh?
[03:32] <nexus> it doesnt make much sense, it was a fresh install.
[03:32] <haider> someone tell me how can i upgrade ?
[03:32] <haider> to the new version ?
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> !upgrade
[03:33] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:33] <jitendra> nexus: if u r that desperate to install them, try sudo apt-get install ...... where .... refers to the package which are available for upgrade
[03:33]  * backtick always do clean installs
[03:33] <nexus> oh there is a new version? Adept told me there was a new distro out, I thought 7.10 was the latest stable
[03:34] <backtick> nexus: that changes today
[03:34] <nexus> Hardy's out today!?
[03:34] <nexus> ;)
[03:34] <haider> it seems that iam already up-to-date
[03:34] <jitendra> yup. it is going to be released within few hrs
[03:35] <nexus> well screw this then, I'll just download hardy and install with that
[03:35] <stdin> if you want to know if hardy is out, type /topic
[03:39] <sparr_> the kde low disk space warning, is that purely % based?
[03:48] <squidy> hey.. is there a way to rip dvd videos using k3b?
[03:49] <dwidmann> squidy: yes
[03:49] <dwidmann> sparr_: dunno, my disks are so big that I never run out of space :D
[03:50] <sparr_> i got down to 5% on /home
[03:50] <sparr_> and it warned me
[03:50] <sparr_> of course, 5% is 25GB
[03:51] <squidy> dwidmann: How I get it? Is there a how to to do that?
[03:52] <sparr_> im getting really annoyed at having to manage free space on my hard drives.  i wish there was a non-destructuve way to transparently spread a folder across multiple drives
[03:53] <dwidmann> squidy: well, you'll need libdvdcss2 from medibuntu probably, not sure what else it'll want, but it should be doable by going to .....
[03:53] <squidy> I've already installed libdvdcss2
[03:53] <dwidmann> tools -> rip video dvd
[03:54] <luis_> hola
[03:54] <luis_> que tal alguiend de peru
[03:54] <luis_> alguien que me ayude a reparar kopete?
[03:55] <stdin> !es | luis_
[03:55] <ubotu> luis_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:56] <dwidmann> sparr_: must be % based then
[03:57] <squidy> installing dvdrip.. arrhhg!! :-(
[04:05] <dwidmann> squidy: why?
[04:05] <dwidmann> squidy: k3b should work fine ... though dvdrip is a bit more flexible
[04:06] <squidy> dwidmann: because i've wanted to use k3b for that..
[04:07] <dwidmann> hmm, one sec, I'll give k3b a quick run and see if I can get it to rip a dvd without issue
[04:09] <squidy> :)
[04:09] <genii> After libdvdcss2/3 install k3b worked flawlessly for me on even the worst DVDs
[04:11] <squidy> weird
[04:12] <dwidmann> Doesn't seem to be working for me either
[04:12] <dwidmann> genii: /3?
[04:12] <luis_> hello
[04:12] <dwidmann> hi
[04:12] <genii> dwidmann: Yes, there is a libdvdcss3
[04:13] <dwidmann> genii: hmm, when did it come out and why haven't I heard of it?
[04:13] <squidy> genii: i've installed libdvdcss2...
[04:13] <genii> lemme see if I can re-find where I got it
[04:13] <luis_> sorry i'm principiant in ubuntu
[04:15] <dwidmann> wait, I'm not seeing it as installed for me, maybe I only installed it on my laptop
[04:16] <Mike34>  
[04:16] <Mike34>   
[04:24] <zeke> anyone know of a good video editor that allows for cut paste and other by frame?
[04:24] <Jucato> kino? kdenlive?
[04:24] <Jucato> (first is a GNOME app, 2nd a KDE app)
[04:25] <zeke> I believe MANIPULATE is the word I wanted...thank you, Jucato.
[04:36]  * cab86 pokes around
[04:36] <cab86> is anyone alive?
[04:36] <maduser> no there all zombies
[04:36] <cab86> i just wanted to ask anyone that knew... if it was ok to remove certain packages...
[04:37] <maduser> which?
[04:37] <cab86> like the linux-restricted-modules for 5 different kernels that are currently installed in my system
[04:38] <cab86> as far as I know... Hardy is currently using only 2 kernels... and both are 2.6.24-16
[04:38] <stdin> remove the kernel images and that package will be removed too
[04:38] <Boohbah> what do i need to convert mp3 to wav with k3b for burning? i installed sox
[04:39] <maduser> do what starndard imput says cab86
[04:39] <Jucato> keep at least 2 kernels and their accompanying modules: 1 kernel that you are using currently, and one backup (the last working kernel)
[04:39] <cab86> but i'm looking in synaptic and it says that the ones for  2.6.17-11, 2.6.20-16, 2.6.22-14
[04:39] <cab86> are installed
[04:40] <cab86> aside from the hardy ones
[04:45] <dek> I need to make a script to do poff dsl-provider, but only sudo can do that. How can I workaround this?
[04:46] <maduser> what you need to get around sudo?
[04:46] <maduser> you can't use sudo?
[04:47] <dek> maduser: the script is to be executed automatically, so i cannot enter password myself
[04:48] <stdin> put it in /etc/rc.local to get it to start at boot
[04:48] <dek> stdin: i dont need it to start at boot, it has to start whenever a program calls it, so its kind of "random"
[04:49] <stdin> there's no way to "get around" sudo as such
[04:50] <maduser> there should be a away for the program to enter the password itself
[04:51] <dek> program just calls script
[04:51] <maduser> the script that needs the password should be able to return the password
[04:51] <dek> I am reading something about /etc/sudoers, seems it could work
[04:51] <stdin> you can make sudo read from (heh) stdin, yes
[04:52] <maduser> yeah standard imput
[04:52]  * genii pipes stdin to stdout
[04:52] <stdin> /etc/sudoers is more difficult than it looks, so be careful
[04:53]  * stdin steps away from #ubuntu-release-party for a while to catch his breath
[04:54] <dek> stdin: ok, will be :P
[04:55] <cab86> stdin, it is alright for me to remove those old images then...?
[04:55] <stdin> cab86: yeah, you're not booting them are you?
[04:55] <cab86> not that i know off... :P
[04:55] <stdin> cab86: just keep the current one and a known good one just in case
[04:56] <cab86> i wonder why the upgrade process doesn't get rid of those...
[04:57] <cab86> what would be the prompt command to find out the current version i'm running on?
[04:57] <stdin> uname -r
[04:58] <cab86> thanks
[05:01] <cab86> wooo hooo, 500+ megs of memory being freed...
[05:05] <discombobulated> anyone here actually say anything?
[05:06] <stdin> we're all in #ubuntu-release-party
[05:07] <discombobulated> ok
[05:11] <zeke> kdenlive doesn't seem to run so well on my laptop
[05:17] <secleinteer> hi, when i install the nvidia drivers in hardy (had the same problem in gutsy) the dpi is way too high
[05:17] <secleinteer> how do i fix this?
[05:17] <zeke> lemme google dpi
[05:18] <zeke> duh
[05:18] <zeke> resolution in other words
[05:18] <tiberius1701> hey everyone, who know alot about the kcontrol
[05:18] <zeke> ?
[05:19] <secleinteer> zeke: no, i mean the fonts are too big
[05:19] <secleinteer> the resolution is fine
[05:19] <secleinteer> nvm got it
[05:19] <secleinteer> problem solved
[05:20] <zeke> oh
[05:20] <zeke> good
[05:22] <tiberius1701> shouldn't there be some option in the kcontrol for the splash screen, but there is'nt?
[05:23] <ATHF-Assemble> should be
[05:24] <tiberius1701> i dont have an option, but there is one in kde4?
[05:25] <zeke> x just crashed on me
[05:25] <zeke> now for kcontrol
[05:29] <zeke> I'm not finding it either man
[05:30] <tiberius1701> strange, so how they expect us to change it
[05:31] <tiberius1701> there must be away of doing it through the console
[05:33] <ATHF-Assemble> you want to change login screen or the loading screen?
[05:34] <tiberius1701> well not that you mention it both
[05:35] <tiberius1701> i just read somthing on google it sad maybe i need the starup manager or somthing/
[05:36] <ATHF-Assemble> well for login it's under login manager
[05:36] <ATHF-Assemble> which is system settings advanced tab
[05:37] <ATHF-Assemble> as for loading screen I'd have to do some research because I don't see it in system settings
[05:37] <tiberius1701> ok i found the longin man
[05:40] <Gioacchino> what about cd image of new release?
[05:45] <ATHF-Assemble> for the loading splash you'll need to install ksplash
[06:05] <HunterSThompson> !register
[06:05] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[06:11] <Frederick> folks does anyone know a good dark theme for kde?
[06:12] <HunterSThompson> high contrast? lol
[06:12] <HunterSThompson> I don't
[06:14] <mot_> anybody know when they're actually uploading the new release to the servers?
[06:14] <mot_> it's past midnight on the east coast and i demand hot, hot 8.04 action.
[06:14] <teradyne> mot_: We're waiting on #ubuntu-release-party for the word to be given.
[06:14] <HunterSThompson> come to #ubuntu-release-party  just don't ask when it's to be released
[06:17] <harolddong> I wish they'd just release it already I'm pooping my pants in anticipation over here
[06:17] <mot_> any reason why if i go into adept manager to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10 and fetch updates there's no version upgade button?
[06:17] <mot_> just out of curiosity...
[06:17] <sorteal> The release party room is ACTIVE...if u can't read fast don't bother lol
[06:17] <harolddong> I read
[06:17] <harolddong> poop comment stand though
[06:18] <harolddong> there won't be much difference between the RC and the final will there?
[06:18] <HunterSThompson> wouldn't think so
[06:22] <letterman> hey so I just blindly stabbed my way through the installation because ubuntu apparently doesn't include the correct graphics driver for my chipset and I found the fix on the bugs along with a fix, but the file needs me to exit xwindows to install
[06:22] <letterman> unfortunatly I only have the top 25% of the screen
[06:23] <letterman> and I can't blindly find the close x windows and return to console button
[06:23] <letterman> CTRL + ALT + Backspace throw me back into the login screen
[06:23] <letterman> and when I edited the boot command to add init 3
[06:23] <letterman> it still launched me into x windows
[06:23] <letterman> how do I kill xserver from console and return to a command shell?
[06:26] <HunterSThompson> not sure, but from login you can select text-login [sic]
[06:26] <HunterSThompson> should work the same
[06:41] <letterman> I need to support a nvidia GeForce 7050 HD chipset, Is there anything else I can do to fix this? I tried installing the latest drivers from nvidia,Here's the error log: http://www.pastebin.org/31661
[06:56] <calcmandan> Hey guys.  Anyone know how a person can contribute to game ranks on adept installer?
[06:56] <calcmandan> Or it is purely based on number of installs?
[07:05] <calcmandan> Hey guys.  Anyone know how a person can contribute to game ranks on adept installer?
[07:05] <calcmandan> Or it is purely based on number of installs?
[07:05] <HunterSThompson> try #ubuntu-release-party
[07:05] <Jucato> !popcon | calcmandan
[07:05] <ubotu> calcmandan: The Ubuntu Popularity Contest project is an attempt to map the usage of Ubuntu packages. To partecipate, install the package "popularity-contest", and see  http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasNussbaum/PopconDraft
[07:07] <calcmandan> ubotu: thank you man
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thank you man - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <genii> Hmm partecipate
[07:08] <HunterSThompson> I was thinking the same...you'd think a bot would be able to spell correctly
[07:09] <Jucato> genii: fixed. thanks
[07:10] <calcmandan> i didn't know it was a bot
[07:10] <genii> Jucato: np   I'm one of those movie continuity/typo freaks
[07:10] <Jucato> now you do :)
[07:10] <calcmandan> yes.  heh.  now that i'm embarassed.
[07:10] <HunterSThompson> don't sweat it
[07:10] <Jucato> genii: I'm a spelling freak too.. but it's the first time I saw that factoid so...
[07:10] <HunterSThompson> unless it was [sic]
[07:11] <genii> I think the biggest factoid typo I've seen was "cant" instead of "can" in the !lug
[07:11] <genii> Fixed now tho
[07:11] <HunterSThompson> heh
[07:12] <genii> !lug
[07:12] <ubotu> Lug's are Linux User Groups. You can find your local group here: http://www.linux.org/groups/
[07:12] <genii> ^ note previously you "cant" find your user group there :)
[07:12] <HunterSThompson> heh
[07:19] <calcmandan> !vi
[07:19] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code
[07:20] <icewaterman> can someone ping packages.medibuntu.org
[07:20] <icewaterman> ?
[07:20] <Jucato> icewaterman: works fine
[07:21] <calcmandan> no response here
[07:21] <icewaterman> Jucato: hmm, i get unknown host
[07:21] <calcmandan> me too
[07:21] <damien_> Hi, how do I mount my ipod?
[07:22] <calcmandan> !popcorn | damien_
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about popcorn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <Jucato> !ipod | damien_
[07:23] <ubotu> damien_: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:23] <damien_> Thanks
[07:23] <genii> pings fine here
[07:24] <calcmandan> !RockBox
[07:24] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:26] <genii> calcmandan: If you plan to keep doing !factoids, consider doing /msg ubotu hi          Then you can bug him all you want :)
[07:26] <calcmandan> got carried away.
[07:26] <Jucato> !msgthebot | calcmandan
[07:26] <ubotu> calcmandan: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[07:27]  * genii has occasionally been guilty of !botabuse also
[07:31] <empiric> hi all any one works on gosa in kubuntu
[07:33] <genii> empiric: Perhaps they'll know in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel
[07:35] <aotianlong> join gnome
[07:37] <sorteal> Wow did I check this page at the wrong time what's with the join GNOME crap!
[07:37] <Lynoure> huh?
[07:37] <Jucato> sorteal: I presume he mistyped the command. calm down :)
[07:38] <genii> sorteal: Lots of ppl here run other window managers
[07:39] <emilsedgh> guys, gnome is not enemy!
[07:39] <jamesmmm> hey there, can anyone pls help me set my nvidia card on?
[07:39] <Jucato> yeah.. emilsedgh is
[07:39] <Jucato> :D
[07:39] <emilsedgh> hehe
[07:39] <Jucato> !nvidia | jamesmmm
[07:39] <ubotu> jamesmmm: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:40] <emilsedgh> jussio1: btw god job on the session management.it was so nice.just...i think you have to update it with 4.1, dont forget to do that when its released
[07:40] <emilsedgh> ah!
[07:40] <emilsedgh> Jucato: ^
[07:40] <emilsedgh> sorry jussio1 :)
[07:40]  * jussi01 whacks emilsedgh 
[07:40] <jussi01> :)
[07:40] <Jucato> emilsedgh: sure. but I have to fix the autostart manager in trunk first
[07:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: its not working?
[07:41] <Jucato> (but I have to test first that it actually works first)
[07:41] <Jucato> emilsedgh: ^^^^
[07:41] <emilsedgh> ah
[07:41] <Jucato> emilsedgh: autostart manager, not session manager
[07:41] <Jucato> it has some... quirks :)
[07:41] <emilsedgh> i think it does.
[07:41] <Jucato> I'll have to check...
[07:44] <Jucato> one disadvantage of Linux/KDE stability is not logging out often... so not being able to test them again and again... so I'll have to do it with a new/separate user :)
[07:46] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think it will work on release time.also even if it doesnt work, it shouldnt stop you teaching it, because bugs might be everywhere
[07:46] <HunterSThompson>  past
[07:47] <Jucato> emilsedgh: well it's just the tool I'm talking about, the one in System Settings.
[07:47] <Jucato> otherwise, everything works
[07:47] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i know.the new autostart manager which adds 'Scripts' and 'Programs' for autostart
[07:47] <HunterSThompson> hmmm
[07:48] <imo> hi all
[07:48] <HunterSThompson> why di "I" get banned fromt he party?
[07:48] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yep. that port of kcontrol-autostart (which is also bugged in some ways)
[07:48] <harolddong> you were bringing it down
[07:48] <ATHF-Assemble> how so?
[07:48] <harolddong> they said you were just staring at all the girls all creepy
[07:48] <ATHF-Assemble> oh
[07:48] <harolddong> :P
[07:49] <ATHF-Assemble> I can't help the way I look at people
[07:49] <ATHF-Assemble> so is there a certain amount of time I have to wait?
[07:49] <stdin> ATHF-Assemble: you said the "n" word, please join #ubuntu-ops if you want to discuss
[07:49] <stdin> ("n" as in the german political party of WW2 btw)
[08:04] <housito> Hi! The final release its available?
[08:04] <Jucato> see the /topic
[08:04] <housito> Thx Jucato
[08:04] <housito> so today its the day, so strange...
[08:05] <housito> Have a nice day!
[08:10] <jtmoney_> man, who are the losers in #ubuntu-ops?
[08:10] <emilsedgh> /j#ubuntu-release-party
[08:10] <Jucato> emilsedgh: works better if there's a space betweeen j and # :D
[08:10] <jtmoney_> they kickban people from channels for saying things like "steve jobs rapes people on hardware prices"
[08:10] <emilsedgh> ah
[08:10] <jtmoney_> i love ubuntu
[08:10] <jtmoney_> but come on
[08:11] <jtmoney_> this authoritarian, childish nonsense needs to stop
[08:11] <jtmoney_> people like stdin and seveas
[08:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: my fingers are going mad!
[08:11]  * Jucato sighs...
[08:11] <JackWinter> is there an utility to monitor motherboard and cpu temps?
[08:11] <Jucato> emilsedgh: you made them mad. that's your fault :P
[08:11] <HunterSThompson> ...
[08:11] <HunterSThompson> I think so
[08:11]  * emilsedgh blames himself
[08:12] <stdin> you see that ^ he made the mistake of actually *pinging* me
[08:12]  * Jucato always forgets the names of those monitor thingies
[08:12] <HunterSThompson> conky?
[08:12] <ere4si> !sensors
[08:12] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[08:12] <Jucato> conky, some greklmsdfasf foo... :)
[08:13] <Jucato> lm_sensors (I think...) yeah I forget them :)
[08:13] <HunterSThompson> ah
[08:13] <HunterSThompson> !troll
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <HunterSThompson> !trolling
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trolling - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <trophyhead> hi all = )  well I read you answered my question, not out yet (H.H) = (
[08:14] <JackWinter> ere4si: thanks on my way
[08:16] <trophyhead> seen a final release & got excited, = )  then saw alpha 6 last testing before release = (
[08:17] <trophyhead> is it still supposed to be out sometime today?, I hope!
[08:19] <trophyhead> hello?...is this thing on? lol
[08:19] <jlund> Yes it is, but not yet
[08:19] <Jucato> trophyhead: see the /topic for details
[08:20] <trophyhead> k thx, where do I see topic at?
[08:21] <ere4si> !topic > trophyhead
[08:28] <JackWinter> can i setup konqueror to launch firefox for myspace and youtube ?
[08:28] <nkk> hello everyone....i've just got my new kubuntu cd
[08:28] <jlund> Hey nkk
[08:28] <nkk> i'd like to know what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu.. ^^
[08:29] <nkk> i'm ubuntu gutsy right now btw
[08:29] <nkk> *using
[08:29] <ere4si> kubuntu uses kde for the window manager - ubuntu uses gnome - and apps are diff
[08:29] <nkk> yeah i know that...but there's not much difference then?
[08:30] <nkk> which one's .err..better?
[08:30] <ere4si> kde looks diff and the apps are diff
[08:30] <nkk> is it worth removing ubuntu and installing kubuntu?
[08:30] <ere4si> depends on what you like - kde is prettier
[08:30] <nkk> yeah that's what i think XD looks prettier
[08:30] <spq> I'm trying to get sound working on a Medion MD96420 (lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)) the driver seems to be snd-hda-intel but when loading it i dont get any lines in /proc/asound/cards and dmesg says: http://rafb.net/p/ALVKkL81.html
[08:31] <ovidiu> when the new ubuntu will be released? :D
[08:31] <ere4si> you can install kde desktop on ubuntu and choose it from sessions in the login
[08:31] <nkk> oh that'd be great
[08:31] <ere4si> !isitout | ovidiu
[08:31] <ubotu> ovidiu: The answer is always that it will release when the release manager says so, which is generally down to how exact order of events works out on the day and is hard for anyone (including the release manager) to put an exact time on in advance.  However, rest assured that it will be out before the clock hits 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands.  Until then, please stop asking.
[08:32] <ovidiu> ok
[08:32] <ere4si> ovidiu: it gets asked alot
[08:33] <ovidiu> ok :)
[08:33] <ovidiu> i understand
[08:33] <ere4si> :)
[08:33] <nkk> one more question...what is Konqueror? XD
[08:33] <JackWinter> nkk: i think kde is fabulous.  don't have much experience with gnome, but the user interface integration is just fantastic in kde!
[08:33] <ovidiu> A web browser
[08:33] <nkk> like firefox?
[08:33] <ovidiu> yes
[08:34] <nkk> and what's nautilus then?
[08:34] <nexus> filebrowser
[08:34] <ovidiu> a file manager
[08:34] <nkk> like windows explorer?
[08:34] <stdin> konqueror is a web browser/file manager/ftp client/network searcher/etc/etc
[08:34] <ovidiu> yes
[08:34] <nkk> whoa..multiple usages
[08:34] <stdin> konqueror is every tool you ever wanted and then some
[08:34] <stdin> :p
[08:34] <ovidiu> of course, like stdin say, konqueror have a lot of funtions
[08:34] <stdin> oh, and it's a file reader/viewer
[08:35] <stdin> hmm, it'd probably be easier to say what konqueror isn't than what it is
[08:35] <nkk> hehe :P
[08:35] <stdin> it's not a toaster, there :)
[08:35] <JackWinter> nkk: i think that konqueror is one of the best things in kde.  i have one browser and one set of bookmarks and it doesn't matter if it's a local file or an url...  pity they are gonna drop it in kde 4...
[08:35] <ovidiu> :))
[08:35] <sorteal> A good web browser
[08:35] <nkk> is it as ram hog as firefox? :P
[08:36] <mickymouse> hello any news what time 8.04 will be out?
[08:36] <ovidiu> :))
[08:36] <ovidiu> again that question...
[08:36] <nkk> there they go again XD
[08:36] <stdin> JackWinter: it's not dropped, the file managing part is moved to dolphin but it still retains functionality
[08:36] <mickymouse> sorry
[08:36]  * HunterSThompson wishes everyone a good night/morning.
[08:36] <ovidiu> what's the time in Baker and Howland Islands?
[08:36] <harolddong> konqueror is cool but nothing really beats firefox's extensibility
[08:36] <ovidiu> :D
[08:36] <nkk> maybe someone can put that in "Topic"?
[08:36] <mickymouse> just had to ask
[08:37] <mickymouse> ;)
[08:37] <nexus> firefox isint a ram hog
[08:37] <nexus> especially 3
[08:37] <nkk> well it is on windows i think :P
[08:37] <harolddong> yeah 3 is actually really awesome
[08:37] <JackWinter> stdin: ok as i understood they will replace file browsing with dolphin and web browsing with firefox..?
[08:37] <stdin> as if anyone actually READS the topic anyway...
[08:37] <nkk> someone might :P
[08:38] <nkk> and that'd be one question less? :)
[08:38] <harolddong> and I gotta say I like dolphin way better than konqueror as a file browser
[08:38] <stdin> JackWinter: what? no. konqueror is still the browser and can be used as the file manager, it just used the dolphin kpart
[08:38] <nkk> now you're confusing me
[08:38] <ere4si> !dolphin
[08:38] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[08:39] <nkk> what shell does kubuntu use?
[08:39] <stdin> bash
[08:39] <Jucato> BASH
[08:39] <JackWinter> stdin: thank god.  then all i need is to be able to set K up to use firefox for certain urls...
[08:39] <nkk> ah that's same as ubuntu ..good
[08:39] <Jucato> nkk: under the hood, Kubuntu uses Ubuntu
[08:39] <stdin> nkk: they both use the same base
[08:39] <nkk> hmm
[08:39] <nkk> does kubuntu have/support pidgin??
[08:40] <stdin> ubuntu + gnome is what's commonly known as "ubuntu", ubuntu + kde is Kubuntu
[08:40] <Jucato> nkk: if you install it
[08:40] <ovidiu> it support pidgin
[08:40] <ovidiu> but you need to install it
[08:40] <nkk> great
[08:40] <nkk> that can be done
[08:40] <stdin> kopete is the default IM app
[08:40] <Jucato> nkk: anything Ubuntu has, Kubuntu has, and vice versa. just not installed by default
[08:40] <ere4si> it has konversation for chat
[08:40] <nkk> it supports Irc as well right?
[08:40] <nkk> Konversation
[08:41] <ovidiu> what are the system requirement for xubuntu?
[08:41] <stdin> konversation is only an IRC client ;)
[08:41] <nkk> oops :P
[08:41] <harolddong> kopete beats the panties off pidgin
[08:41] <nkk> Kopete supports everything like pidgin then?
[08:41] <harolddong> this has been medically proven
[08:41] <nkk> hehe
[08:42] <stdin> kopete probably supports more than pidgin
[08:42] <stdin> it's like konqueror, it's an Über app
[08:42] <JackWinter> ktorrent is great to.  am getting a knoppix dvd dright now.
[08:42] <ovidiu> kopete support webcams, but Pidgin
[08:42] <nkk> gee...i've got to try out Kubuntu now XD
[08:42] <harolddong> seriously after you use kopete pidgin seems almost like alpha level software
[08:42] <nkk> yeah i use Ktorrent in Ubuntu
[08:43] <JackWinter> just started using kmail, and seems to be  a super app too...
[08:44] <nkk> hmm that'd be like thunderbird right?
[08:44] <nkk> no pop3
[08:44] <JackWinter> nkk: it has pop3 and imap.
[08:44] <nkk> no..i mean i don't have a pop3 email id
[08:44] <JackWinter> nkk: supports encryption too...
[08:44] <stdin> kmail is the mail client (as if you couldn't guess), and like most KDE app, it supports just about every protocol
[08:45] <JackWinter> nkk: so you use webmail?
[08:45] <nkk> ah..u people know so much about this..have u contributed to the project?
[08:45] <nkk> webmail? what do u mean by that?...i just log on to the website like yahoo and log in
[08:45] <harolddong> kontact is cool but I just wish I could  use it with web mail like I can with thunderbird
[08:45] <JackWinter> nkk: just a very satisfied noob ;)
[08:46] <nkk> :)
[08:46] <stdin> being in #kubuntu and answering questions is contribution
[08:46] <the4400> Hey guys. I'm having trouble with my dual-screen. It has been working for a long time, but sometimes when I unplug things to use a projector, I cannot get more than one screen working again afterwards.. not sure what happens
[08:46] <nkk> yea but i mean in context of programming..
[08:47] <nkk> one last question..then i've to run :P....can i "uninstall" Ubuntu?
[08:47] <nkk> i don't think it's possible..but..maybe
[08:47] <stdin> !purekde
[08:47] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[08:47] <nkk> whoa
[08:48] <the4400> in addition, if I go to system settings -> monitor and display, I cannot save "dual screen" checkbox for some reason.. I can check it if I open in admin mode, but the change doesn't stick even if I click "apply"
[08:48] <nkk> what will happen to the libs?
[08:48] <stdin> nkk: unless an app needs it, they will be removed.
[08:49] <nkk> hrmm..so i'll have to download some of them again..
[08:49] <nkk> alright gotta run
[08:49] <nkk> bbl
[08:49] <stdin> no, just remove the apps you want from the command shown and it'll keep them
[08:49] <nkk> thanks for the help
[08:49] <nkk> oh ok
[08:49] <nkk> i'll look into it when i'm back from uni
[08:50]  * nkk bookmarks it
[08:52] <Gioacchino> hello
[08:52] <Gioacchino> herdy iso is out ?
[08:52] <max> I need to view the total number of row in a 10 file txt, how I can do this in shell?
[08:54] <the4400> is there a way to get my "Monitor and Display" settings back to default or something?
[08:54] <the4400> I'm not able to change them at all right now..
[08:54] <JackWinter> i'm gonna have to reinstall xp on my multiboot system.  i know i can reinstall grub by running "sudo grub-install /dev/hda" from the live cd.  but say i have kubuntu on sda6 and ubuntu on sda7 how does grub know where to look for menu.lst ?
[08:55] <stdin> Gioacchino: /topic
[08:57] <Gioacchino> not out...
[09:02] <ovidiu> What's mean LTS? Long term support?
[09:02] <genii> Yes
[09:02] <ovidiu> and there is a difference between the standard version and LTS version?
[09:02] <ovidiu> or there will be just a LTS version?
[09:03] <stdin> Kubuntu won't be LTS this time around
[09:03] <Kai> hey guys, with ubuntu it dispays the network folders etc withoutmapping  the drive can i setup kubuntu to do the same?
[09:03] <ovidiu> ok
[09:03] <stdin> Kai: smb:/ doesn't do that?
[09:04] <TeslaTony> stdin: Is that because of the KDE3 vs. KDE4 issues?
[09:04] <stdin> TeslaTony: partially
[09:04] <Kai> atm i was going thru the file manager stdin and it only has option to map a drive before i can access it
[09:04] <genii> ovidiu: Regular ubuntu will be 3 year support and updates (server 5 years). Which overlaps next LTS 1 year (hopefully) when projected release of it 10.04  (2010 April)
[09:05] <stdin> TeslaTony: canonical decided that it could not guarantee kde3 would be actively maintained for the duration of the LTS term
[09:05] <ovidiu> and what's mean support? there will be updates available for Hardy version for 3 years?
[09:06] <stdin> Kai: in konqueror remote:/ or smb:/ (dolphin should do it to actually)
[09:06] <stdin> ovidiu: security updates and commercial support contracts
[09:08] <Kai> stdin: sorry, im at dolphin / network where would i go from here
[09:08] <ovidiu> If I have installed an ubuntu-based distribution
[09:08] <ovidiu> and after that I installed "kubuntu-desktop" from repositoryes
[09:08] <stdin> Kai: there should be "Network Services" and "Samba Shares"
[09:08] <ovidiu> what I should download for update? the kubuntu iso or the distribution iso?
[09:08] <genii> ovidiu: EOL for Hardy will be April 2011 (no more updates, etc) more info on EOL of all versions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[09:09] <stdin> ovidiu: upgrade instructions will be posted here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes when Hardy is released
[09:09] <Kai> theere is stdin
[09:09] <genii> !helpersnack | stdin
[09:09] <ovidiu> aha... ok, thanks for info ;)
[09:09] <ubotu> stdin: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[09:10] <Kai> stdin: under both there is nothing listed
[09:10] <stdin> Kai: samba is the network shares I think you mean, nfs shares should be in the network services one though
[09:11] <Kai> must be something wrong with my shared files then though i can map to them fine
[09:11] <stdin> not sure then, I see a list of workgroups and then computers
[09:12] <Kai> ubuntu just pickd them up right away,
[09:12] <Kai> hmmm
[09:12] <Kai> thanks for ur input stdin
[09:12] <stdin> there's always smbtree from the terminal ;)
[09:13] <Kai> sorry second day usin linux nfi how to do that atm
[09:13] <Kai> :p
[09:13] <stdin> KMenu -> System -> Konsole
 thanks for ur input stdin <--- lol! that just sounds so strange :)
[09:13] <stdin> that opens the terminal
[09:13] <Kai> yea i know terminal
[09:14] <stdin> type in "smbtree" and whatever password your user uses on the net
[09:14] <Kai> ok
[09:14] <stdin> you can use "smbtree -N" if you don't need a pass
[09:14] <dreamcoder> when is 8.04 final released
[09:15] <stdin> then it should list services
[09:15] <Jucato> dreamcoder: please read the /topic
[09:15] <Kai> ok cool
[09:15] <dreamcoder> oh yeah cheers
[09:17] <Gioacchino> for hardy kvirc try icon is fixed(in gutsy is too much big)??
[09:20] <Gioacchino> for hardy kvirc try icon is fixed(in gutsy is too much big)??
[09:21] <ovidiu> i don't think that this bug is a Ubuntu bug
[09:21] <ovidiu> this is a kvirc bug
[09:21] <Gioacchino> yes
[09:21] <cemil> cemil12316] --> 16]1,iiş,şşşşşşşşşşşşş16] --> 16] --> 16] --> 16] --> 16] --> 6] --> 16] --> 16] -->  -->
[09:22] <genii> hmm
[09:22] <Gioacchino> but gutsy kvirc
[09:23] <Gioacchino> is 3.2.4
[09:23] <Gioacchino> latest kvirc is 3.4.0
[09:27] <freeblowed> hey did 8.04 kde 4 come out yet?
[09:27] <Jucato> freeblowed: the same time as 8.04 kde 3. see the/topic for details
[09:27] <max> I see with dolphin my landisk (dolphin->networkdevices->landisk), how I can access to this landisk from my linux shell?
[09:27] <ovidiu> we can hope for a KDE 3.6 version?
[09:28] <Jucato> ovidiu: no
[09:28] <ovidiu> or kde 3.5.9 is the latest version from the kde 3.x series?
[09:28] <Jucato> yes
[09:28] <ovidiu> ok
[09:28] <Jucato> and probably the last
[09:28] <freeblowed> i thought it was supposed to be out today
[09:28] <freeblowed> someone in here told me to just wait to download since it was being released today
[09:29] <Jucato> "today" has quite a big span of time.... considering timezones and working hours. so /topic again :)
[09:29] <ovidiu> so the next release of Kubuntu (not 8.04) will be KDE 4 based?
[09:29] <stdin> it will be out today, yes
[09:29] <freeblowed> he said within 10 hours
[09:29] <stdin> ovidiu: there will be two
[09:29] <kaminix> "GStreamer-0.10 plugin 'level' not found. This plugins is absolutely required. Please install it." <-- It says it's in the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good which I have installed, now what? :s
[09:29] <ovidiu> for how much time?
[09:29] <max> I see with dolphin my landisk (dolphin->networkdevices->landisk), how I can access to this landisk from my linux shell?
[09:29] <Jucato> stdin: for 8.10?
[09:30] <stdin> oh "not 8.04" :p
[09:30] <freeblowed> so instead of that long crap about the topic you could have just said no, not till later today or just no
[09:30] <stdin> probably not then
[09:30]  * Jucato sighs...
[09:32] <max> I see with dolphin my landisk (dolphin->networkdevices->landisk), how I can access to this landisk from my linux shell?
[09:33] <stdin> max: please don't repeat, if someone knows they will answer
[09:34] <ovidiu> it is any way to make qt3 application to look like qt4 applications?
[09:34] <max> nobody no that things?
[09:37] <HunterSThompson> >:(
[09:37] <Jackubus> hmm, i made a mistake when i installed my system.  created a 100mb instead of a 10gb partition for sharing data between multiple os'.  i am resizing and moving data with gparted from a live cd.  all my linux partitions live in an extended partition.  please tell me that i can resize the extended partitition in order to grow a primary partition...
[09:39] <HunterSThompson> how might one make a disk image for use on another computer
[09:40] <sparr_> konqueror seems to truncate css percentage widths to integer percentages.  known bug?
[09:40] <Jackubus> or do you know a good channel for asking about repartitioning?
[09:42] <TeslaTony> Jackubus: The Ubuntu 7.10 LiveCD (and I assume the 8.04 as well) has GParted. If you boot to livecd you can repartition the drive without (usually) screwing things up
[09:43] <TeslaTony> Jackubus: You can also download a GParted LiveCD to repartition things
[09:43] <TeslaTony> Just...back things up...seriously
[09:44] <Pennycook> Hey guys, just preparing for the upgrade to Hardy and weighing up KDE4 against 3.59; has anybody had much luck changing the looks of GTK apps yet in KDE4?
[09:45] <ere4si> #kubuntu-kde4 might be the place to ask that
[09:46] <Jackubus> TeslaTony: i have booted from a live cd and am repartitioning as we speak.  it's a new installation so nothing to lose really.  have all the data on other disks.  was hoping to avoid reinstalling...  the thing is i don't know if it will allow me to shrink a secondary partition?
[09:46] <Jackubus> TeslaTony: secondary=extended
[09:46] <Pennycook> ere4si: Ah, didn't realise there was a channel. Thanks.
[09:46] <ere4si> k
[09:47] <DarkriftX> anyone know if there will be a way for me to use a script to read my paypal information?
[09:47] <TeslaTony> Jackubus: I think so. If it won't work, I'm pretty sure it just won't let you
[09:48] <DarkriftX> not really asking how, just if its possible
[09:49] <Jackubus> TeslaTony: looks like i'm looking at several hours repartitioning, might be faster to reinstall, but on the other hand this install included alot of irc and  googling.  would be bad to spend hours just to find out i have to reinstall anyways ;)
[09:50] <TeslaTony> Jackubus: When I first built this computer I must've reinstalled a dozen times. Coulda sworn I was doing it for fun, it's so easy...
[09:53] <Jackubus> TeslaTony: oh well , there is firefox and internet radio. will explore gnome while i pass the time ;)
[09:56] <TeslaTony> Jackubus: I think the liveCD also has Pidgin, which will let you on most of the big IM clients. Certainly take this opportunity to send obscene messages to UN ambassadors
[10:00] <advanced> Hi ppl
[10:00] <advanced> I need help :)
[10:00] <ere4si> !ask advanced
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask advanced - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <ere4si> !ask | advanced
[10:00] <ubotu> advanced: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:00] <advanced> hmmm
[10:00] <advanced> :(
[10:00] <max> I see with dolphin my landisk (dolphin->networkdevices->landisk), how I can access to this landisk from my linux shell?
[10:01] <advanced> !compiz
[10:01] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:02] <advanced> I have problem with C-Media sound cart...
[10:03] <advanced> *card
[10:04] <advanced> My sound doesnt work...only drty sound
[10:08] <tony134340> max, are you using samba?
[10:09] <tony134340> advanced, have you checked for compatibility with linux?
[10:12] <advanced> Hmm but this card is really stupid...because in Windows dont work too....only when i get volume in WIN to "0" my sound work but only with  small wheeze
[10:12] <wesley> stdin: can plasma themes be installed in 4.0.3
[10:12] <U_Dinlow> how do i get my video card to use restricted drivers? theres no option for it?
[10:13] <stdin> wesley: if the themes are for 4.0.x then they should
[10:13] <tony134340> U_Dinlow, if nothing else, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new and so on
[10:14] <tony134340> advanced, have you checked the manufacturer's site for proper drivers or to see if it's supported on the OS?
[10:15] <advanced> yes
[10:15] <wesley> stdin: KDE 4.x stands there and i ont believe in the 4.0 series you can install plasma themes
[10:16] <tony134340> #wine
[10:16] <stdin> wesley: try it and see ;) should work
[10:16] <tony134340> oops, still getting the hang of irc
[10:16] <wesley> stdin: i dont know where to put those plasma themes
[10:17] <Shaisuke> hey for 8.04 is compiz enabled by default or can you install it?
[10:17] <U_Dinlow> shouldn't  i have restricted drivers optioon under advanced though?
[10:17] <stdin> wesley: try ~/.kde4/share/apps/plasma or ~/.kde4/share/apps/plasma/themes
[10:18] <tony134340> U_Dinlow, The latest alpha I tried of Kubuntu didn't have the option either. I just used the graphical apt-get and installed from that
[10:18] <Brian_> hi. Is kubuntu 8.04 has the KDE4>
[10:18] <Brian_> ?
[10:19] <rakan> yup the RC release has KDE 4
[10:19] <rakan> actually there are 2 releases for Kubuntu
[10:19] <tony134340> Brian_, yes, you can choose either KDE4 or 3, or both
[10:19] <rakan> 1 with KDE 3.5.x and the other with KDE 4
[10:19] <Brian_> I am requesting from ShipIt
[10:19] <Brian_> which one will I receive
[10:20] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.9
[10:20] <stdin> shipit sends KDE3 disks
[10:20] <wesley> stdin: home or usr/share??
[10:20] <Jucato> !khardy
[10:20] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[10:21] <U_Dinlow> this card was working though :(  now somethings broken it and I can only use vesa driver (my monitor is detected as p&p and can only get 640x480)
[10:21] <stdin> wesley: ~ is your home dir
[10:21] <Brian_> Can I hi all. can i shit xux
[10:21] <Brian_> Cls
[10:21] <Brian_> sorry
[10:21] <Brian_> I'm mistype.
[10:21] <Brian_> Oh, so how can I get KDE 4?
[10:22] <stdin> download the KDE4 ISO (when it's released) or install the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package from a default Hardy install
[10:22] <Brian_> I have a plan, if ShipIt sends KDE4 I will install Kubuntu, but ShipIt sends KDE3 - so I will install Ubuntu instead.
[10:22] <Brian_> oh.
[10:22] <Brian_> is kubuntu-kde4-desktop included in the CD?
[10:22] <stdin> no
[10:22] <wesley>  /home/wesley/.kde4/share/apps/plasma_engine_comic
[10:22] <wesley> thats what i only find
[10:23] <Brian_> How can I get kubuntu-kde4-desktop package?
[10:23] <stdin> wesley: try just making the ~/.kde4/share/apps/plasma dir and see
[10:23] <stdin> Brian_: you install it like any other package
[10:24] <Brian_> no. I mean, how can I get kubuntu-kde4-desktop package? by download or included in CD?
[10:24] <wesley> stdin and then extract the theme there ?
[10:24] <Jucato> Brian_: if you downloaded/got the KDE 3 CD, you'll have to download it
[10:25] <stdin> wesley: try it and see
[10:25] <Jucato> download it = kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[10:25] <U_Dinlow> heres my xorg.conf when it was working .... (if someone can look :) ) ... http://pastebin.com/m5052227b
[10:26] <tony134340> Brian_, yes, you can download a cd with kde4 pre-configured
[10:26] <U_Dinlow> i dont know why it  wont workk now
[10:27] <wesley> stdin now restart kde4 ?
[10:27] <stdin> logout/in I guess
[10:27] <empiric> helo i want to send sms from command line
[10:27] <Jucato> (or restart just plasma?)
[10:27] <Brian_> @jucato : Is kubuntu-kde4-desktop package big? Because I only had limited bandwidth (384 Kilobits/second OR 40 Kilobytes per second)
[10:27] <Fyl0n> it's SO quiet here :)
[10:27] <empiric> hi all
[10:27] <empiric> i want to send sms from command
[10:27] <Jucato> Brian_: well, that package itself is not that big, but it will download lots of other packages
[10:27] <empiric> any idea
[10:30] <wesley> nothing changed
[10:31] <Gioacchino> hello
[10:31] <Gioacchino> somebody know if kdelirc work on kde4 ?
[10:31] <wesley> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/TiComb?content=76628  this thev theme i like to ninstall
[10:32] <Odd-rationale> Gioacchino: all kde 3 apps should work on kde4. and vice versa
[10:32] <Gioacchino> thanks
[10:34] <Fleck> hey will AMD64 kubuntu work on intel quad core?
[10:35] <stdin> yes
[10:35] <tony403> Fleck, yes, it will. i use it on my quad
[10:36] <seebs> Is there an easy shorthand for "for every thing installed that has a developer package, install the corresponding development package"?
[10:36] <seebs> I want to build WINE, and it can't find the development files for about two dozen things, and I am not sure how to guess the right names in some cases.
[10:37] <stdin> seebs: "sudo apt-get build-dep wine"
[10:37] <stdin> build-dep = install the build-dependencies
[10:37] <seebs> Oh, nice.  That will probably work, even though I won't actually be building from the repository (because it is, sadly, not quite perfectly up to date.)
[10:38] <seebs> Thanks!  Very helpful, and I will remember that trick in future.
[10:38] <sigma_1234> i can't wait anymore. whens it going to be out!
[10:38] <Fleck> tony403, stdin thanks :) how about flash/java in 64 bit version?
[10:38] <seebs> Apparently, the folks who have been distributing WINE binaries for ubuntu/kubuntu decided to switch to only updating them for 8.04, and I'm not quite ready to upgrade.
[10:39] <tony403> Fleck, was no problem for me. it just needs the ndiswrapper
[10:39] <stdin> Fleck: you'll have to use the 32bit version of firefox to use flash and the java plugin
[10:39] <Fleck> ok :) thanks
[10:39] <stdin> there's a guide somewhere I think
[10:39] <stdin> !flash64
[10:39] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[10:39] <Fleck> yep
[10:39] <stdin> ^ there :)
[10:39] <Fleck> thanks
[10:40] <ovidiu> if I forgot my root account password, is there any mode to recovery it?
[10:40] <ovidiu> or to change it...
[10:40] <tony403> Fleck, yes, stdin's correct. it works on Kubuntu64 but not on FF64, IIRC
[10:40] <kaminix> I need an application to make .srts out of vobsubs. I've heard mplayer is supposed to get this done, but how?
[10:40] <stdin> ovidiu: there is no root pass by default
[10:41] <ovidiu> yes, but I don't say about the Live CD
[10:41] <ovidiu> somebody have installed linux on his computer
[10:41] <ovidiu> and he forgot the root password
[10:41] <stdin> yes, there's no root pass by default
[10:41] <stdin> ubuntu and kubuntu use sudo
[10:41] <ovidiu> and he can't login no more on his pc
[10:41] <stdin> !sudo
[10:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[10:42] <ovidiu> yes, I know about sudo
[10:42] <ovidiu> but I talk about an installed linux sistem on a pc, not about the Live CD
[10:42] <stdin> ovidiu: yes, on the installed system there is no root password
[10:43] <ovidiu> ok
[10:43] <ovidiu> thanks
[10:43] <micha__> ovidiu: still has sudo, as long as he is in the admin role, he can use it
[10:43] <ovidiu> but if the user doesn't know his own password, and he can't log in into kde?
[10:43] <ovidiu> there's anything to do?
[10:44] <sonoftheclayr> is there anyway to monitor ssh connections in real time?
[10:44] <stdin> they can boot into recovery mode and reset their password with "passwd <username>"
[10:54] <arogarth> hello
[10:54] <arogarth> ive got a problem with kubuntu 8.04
[10:54] <arogarth> my notebook wont to shutdown or reboot
[10:55] <arogarth> halt, poweroff, reboot etc are working
[10:55] <arogarth> any idea where the problem is?
[10:55] <yakuzi> arogarth: is it the final? or still the rc? because the final isn't out yet :p
[10:55] <micha__> init works?
[10:56] <micha__> arogarth: try "sudo init 0"
[10:56] <arogarth> is an rc upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04
[10:56] <arogarth> i will try
[10:56] <eagles0513875> is the best place to get 3.5.9 kde source code the repos or kde.org
[10:59] <arogarth> it works
[10:59] <arogarth> but it wont work by K-> Logout->Shutdown
[11:00] <arogarth> makes a black screen (no coursor etc.)
[11:00] <arogarth> and i cant change to console
[11:04] <arogarth> no more idea??
[11:06] <ovidiu> what is the package name for koqnueror's metabar?
[11:06] <ovidiu> or how I install it?
[11:07] <arogarth> i think konq-plugins
[11:08] <ovidiu> yes, that is
[11:09] <ovidiu> thanks, arogarth
[11:10] <arogarth> np
[11:17] <sebbar> hi, has anybody purchased eschalon? I'd like to know if I can install the game on more than one pc...
[11:19] <arogarth> micha__: init 0 works
[11:19] <micha__> arogarth: with sudo only?
[11:20] <arogarth> must it run also as normal user??
[11:20] <micha__> arogarth: it shouldnt
[11:20] <arogarth> ok, need to be root
[11:20] <micha__> arogarth: looks like you dont have the rights to do a reboot, shotdown or so
[11:21] <micha__> arogarth: I am not sure where to do this, anyone?
[11:22] <arogarth> hmmm....
[11:36] <christophoros> helo guys for some reason i cant detect my mobile phone or any other mobile phone device from the kubuntu i just installed them i use bluetooth OBEX object push any ideas?
[11:43] <ScorpKing> hmm... kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso 23-Apr-2008 03:06  697M
[11:43]  * ScorpKing waits some more for 8.04..
[11:43] <christophoros> helo guys for some reason i cant detect my mobile phone or any other mobile phone device from the kubuntu i just installed them i use bluetooth OBEX object push any ideas?
[11:45] <ScorpKing> christophoros: dmesg | tail when you plug it in and look there. it's usually /dev/ttyACM0
[11:47] <localuser> anyone have any luck installing pulseaudio on kubuntu 8.04?
[11:47] <arogarth> ok, i have tried something
[11:47] <christophoros> ScorpKing am new to linux world can u help me a bit more?:P
[11:47] <arogarth> i cant also logout
[11:48] <arogarth> and i cant restart the xserver by str+alt+backsp
[11:48] <arogarth> but all function works with the open ati driver but not with the fglrx
[11:48] <ScorpKing> christophoros: sure. what are you trying?
[11:48] <arogarth> i have tried the driver from the respnsitory and the new driver from the ati homepage
[11:49] <arogarth> its a X700 Mobile
[11:49] <christophoros> am using a laptop and it has bluetooth on bnoard am trying to transfer a picture from my mobile phone to the laptop i just dont know what to do
[11:49] <christophoros> :S
[11:49] <arogarth> does the bluetooth device works?
[11:49] <arogarth> see the bluetooth symbol in the taskbar
[11:49] <ScorpKing> uhm.. i use a usb cable so i'm not sure how that works
[11:50] <christophoros> cant see anythink on the taskbar how do i enable it?
[11:50] <arogarth> i look
[11:50] <arogarth> install kdebluetooth
[11:51] <christophoros> sudo apt-get install kdebluetooth
[11:51] <christophoros> right ?
[11:51] <arogarth> yes
[11:52] <christophoros> kdebluetooth is already the newest version.
[11:52] <christophoros> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[11:52] <christophoros> i have it
[11:52] <arogarth> what are the 4 not upgraded
[11:52] <arogarth> they were list
[11:52] <christophoros> i upgraded now
[11:53] <christophoros> what i do now?;p
[11:53] <arogarth> reinstert the bluetooth device
[11:54] <arogarth> then a symbol must come in the bar
[11:54] <christophoros> it on board
[11:54] <christophoros> its*
[11:54] <christophoros> its only 1 button on my laptop bluetooth + wireless
[11:54] <arogarth> hmm, reactivate it if u can
[11:54] <christophoros> thats what i dont know how i do it;p
[11:54] <christophoros> activate it
[11:56] <arogarth> there must now be a bluetooth symbol?!
[11:57] <arogarth> is there?
[12:03] <crvenkapa> hi
[12:04] <Odd-rationale> crvenkapa: hello
[12:04] <crvenkapa> whats up
[12:04] <christophoros> arogath nothere isnt any><
[12:04] <crvenkapa> why
[12:05] <crvenkapa> people where are you
[12:05] <Odd-rationale> crvenkapa: at the party!
[12:05] <crvenkapa> can i come
[12:05] <crvenkapa> pls
[12:06] <Odd-rationale>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:06] <Fleck> ;p
[12:06] <crvenkapa> how old are you
[12:06] <Odd-rationale> very old
[12:07] <crvenkapa> 100 year maby
[12:07] <crvenkapa> i have 18
[12:07] <Odd-rationale> wow. your old
[12:07] <crvenkapa> u
[12:08] <crvenkapa> hey
[12:08] <Odd-rationale> what?
[12:08] <aotianlong_> ....
[12:08] <arogarth> ok, at my problem the kdm.log tells: Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
[12:09] <crvenkapa> you dont tell about your years
[12:09] <aotianlong_> can u start x server?
[12:09] <Odd-rationale> crvenkapa: ;)
[12:09] <arogarth> yes it run, but i cant kill them
[12:09] <arogarth> i cant logout/shutdown/reboot on kde
[12:10] <crvenkapa> :)
[12:10] <aotianlong_> i'm also have this problem on gnome.
[12:10] <arogarth> with fglrx driver?
[12:10] <crvenkapa> hey
[12:11] <arogarth> crvenkapa: hey
[12:14] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$ hcitool inq
[12:14] <christophoros> Inquiring ...
[12:14] <christophoros> Inquiry failed.: No such device
[12:14] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$
[12:14] <christophoros> arogath got any ideas for this?
[12:15] <arogarth> no idea...
[12:17] <arogarth> what does dmesg tell??
[12:18] <sivaji> Hardy is out
[12:19] <Odd-rationale> it is not official yet. better to wait
[12:20] <sivaji> Odd-rationale see this http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/
[12:20] <SlimeyPete> sivaji: not officially
[12:20] <Odd-rationale> i know
[12:20] <stdin> just so we're all clear, no links
[12:20] <SlimeyPete> sivaji: and the ubuntu guys don't seem happy about people posting links all over the place
[12:20] <Odd-rationale> stdin: should have warned him first. it isn't even the topic...
[12:21] <Odd-rationale> this topic...
[12:21] <stdin> Odd-rationale: /remove is quite an effective warning I find
[12:21] <stdin> Odd-rationale: plus I'm spread across several channels
[12:22] <sivaji> who kicked me out of this channel ?
[12:22] <Odd-rationale> sivaji: please don't post links to the release until it is officially announced. Thanks!
[12:23] <Odd-rationale> this applies to all ubuntu channels...
[12:25] <christophoros> when i download a driver how do i install it?
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> depends on the driver.
[12:25] <SlimeyPete> what driver is it?
[12:26] <l337n00b> hello! Does ne know when the kubuntu hardy upgrade will be available?
[12:26] <Odd-rationale> l337n00b: soon
[12:26] <christophoros> am trying to find a driver for my on board bluetooth
[12:26] <SlimeyPete> they're prepping the release as we speak
[12:27] <arogarth> which bluetooth device tells lspci
[12:29] <christophoros> arogath http://paste.ubuntu.com/7931/
[12:30] <sivaji> Odd-rationale how do you say that ubuntu 8.04 has not offically released ? i can download from ubuntu offical website
[12:31] <makdaknife> sivaji: as far as I can see you can only download the RC from the site
[12:31] <stdin> sivaji: the images can still change
[12:31] <stdin> so, do not download them
[12:32] <kb> how can i update to hard heron?
[12:32] <arogarth> christophoros: what tells lsusb??
[12:32] <stdin> wait until it's released then see !upgrade
[12:34] <kb> stdin:  i think its already released??
[12:34] <christophoros> larogath http://paste.ubuntu.com/7932/
[12:34] <kb> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.04/
[12:34] <kb> why can i download a desktop cd there
[12:34] <stdin> kb: NO
[12:34] <stdin> do NOT post links!
[12:34] <kb> whats the matter at the moment?
[12:34] <stdin> do it again and you'll be removed
[12:35] <stdin> hardy is not released yet and the images can change
[12:35] <kb> i dont understand whats going on :(
[12:35] <kb> ok
[12:35] <kb> just what i wanna know!
[12:35] <kb> the topic is irreführend
[12:35] <stdin> all you do is wait bandwidth and give people possibly bad ISOs
[12:35] <arogarth> dont know where the dongle is...
[12:35] <arogarth> wait
[12:35] <christophoros> arogath my bluetooth is on board
[12:36] <arogarth> yes
[12:36] <christophoros> dont know whats worng :/
[12:36] <arogarth> notebook?? which??
[12:36] <makdaknife> out of interest if you have a question about hardy do you still have to ask in #ubuntu+1?
[12:37] <stdin> for the moment
[12:37] <makdaknife> :-)
[12:37] <christophoros> arogath : Toshiba Sattelite A200 1MB
[12:43] <christophoros> arogath found anythink ?
[12:45] <arogarth> im looking
[12:45] <christophoros> alright
[12:46] <christophoros> arogath i think its the same drivers with sattelite p200 p100  not sure
[12:46] <arogarth> run kbluetooth
[12:47] <arogarth> K->System->kbluetooth
[12:47] <christophoros> done it
[12:47] <christophoros> it says "no bluetooth adapter
[12:47] <arogarth> hmm... bad
[12:48] <arogarth> i will know which menufactor it is... of the bluetooth
[12:48] <christophoros> what u mean
[12:49] <arogarth> the producer of the bluetooth device
[12:50] <arogarth> run sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
[12:51] <ovidiu> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[12:51] <ovidiu> what's means that?
[12:51] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start
[12:51] <christophoros> [sudo] password for christophoros:
[12:51] <christophoros>  * Starting Bluetooth services
[12:51] <christophoros>    ...done.
[12:51] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$
[12:51] <arogarth> hcitool inq
[12:51] <arogarth> ??
[12:51] <arogarth> now??
[12:52] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$ hcitool inq
[12:52] <christophoros> Inquiring ...
[12:52] <christophoros> Inquiry failed.: No such device
[12:52] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~$
[12:53] <arogarth> hmm...
[12:53] <arogarth> i dont know more now
[12:54] <arogarth> maybe here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Toshiba_Satellite_A200#Bluetooth
[12:55] <arogarth> christophoros: http://www.schwieters.org/toshset/
[12:55] <christophoros> yeah i found it too but i dont know how i work it
[12:57] <christophoros> i have to get the source not the binary right ?
[12:57] <arogarth> The binary should work with 2.4 and 2.6 Linux kernels. It may work for others as well.
[12:57] <arogarth>  toshset -h for help. Patches, comments and the output of toshset -v -q are welcome.
[12:58] <christophoros> so ill get the binary;p
[12:59] <christophoros> how do i install it ?:S am noob and new to linux world><
[12:59] <arogarth> on console
[12:59] <arogarth> unpach it
[13:00] <arogarth> unpack^^
[13:01] <christophoros> unpack toshet.gz ?:/
[13:04] <arogarth> gunzip ./toshset.gz
[13:05] <christophoros> nothink happent ><
[13:06] <christophoros> ow its unpacked now but how i use it ? its on the desktop and when i press on it it tell me to choose with what program shall it start
[13:06] <arogarth> on console: chmod +x toshset
[13:06] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[13:06] <arogarth> sudo ./toshset -h
[13:07] <sacha_> tosh set?
[13:07] <sacha_> huh?
[13:07] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~/Desktop$ sudo ./toshset -h
[13:07] <christophoros> required kernel toshiba support not enabled.
[13:07] <christophoros> christophoros@christophoros-laptop:~/Desktop$
[13:07] <arogarth> there i dont know...
[13:08] <christophoros> ;p
[13:08] <christophoros> stupid bluetooth ;p
[13:09] <arogarth> my dongle works...
[13:09] <arogarth> hmm
[13:13] <francesco_> !it
[13:14] <stdin> #kubuntu-it
[13:15] <arogarth> use omnibook module
[13:15] <sivaji> how long it will take to release ubuntu 8.04 ?
[13:15] <arogarth> on the other pake
[13:15] <arogarth> page^^
[13:17] <stdin> sivaji: it will be announced in #ubuntu-release-party and on the ubuntu-announce list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[13:19] <Dragnslcr> Have you tried going through the upgrade yet? Just wondering if I should burn a disc before I upgrade, just in case something goes horribly wrong
[13:22] <sivaji> wow 8.04 is out
[13:24] <icmike5> where do you see it?
[13:24] <sivaji> #ubuntu-release-party
[13:24] <makdaknife> heh... careful... don't post links here
[13:24] <makdaknife> some people get very upset
[13:24] <BuzZ-2012> like banning
[13:25] <BuzZ-2012> for no reason
[13:25] <makdaknife> :-)
[13:26] <BuzZ-2012>   so KDE version won't be LTS?
[13:26] <BuzZ-2012> names
[13:26] <francesco_> !it
[13:26] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[13:27] <francesco_> !it
[13:30] <bdforbes> are there different images for kde3/kde4?
[13:30] <bdforbes> i only see one: kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> bdforbes: yes there are separate ones
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> that would be the kde3 one right there
[13:31] <ovidiu> "A new distribution version is available"
[13:31] <ovidiu> that's appear in Adept Manager
[13:32] <stdin> yep, it's out
[13:32] <ovidiu> is the new Kubuntu Hardy? :D
[13:32] <stdin> get it before the pipes clog :p
[13:32] <Riddell> ovidiu: oh good, the upgrade notification is working then :)
[13:32] <secleinteer> hardy is out!!!!!!1
[13:32] <ovidiu> yes :D :D
[13:32] <secleinteer> does anyone know how to fix the firefox theme in kubuntu hardy?
[13:33] <Bhaal> stdin: Does that include kubuntu hardy?
[13:34] <bdforbes> does anyone have a link for a torrent?
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> Bhaal: yes
[13:34] <stdin> Bhaal: yes Hardy id out now
[13:34] <Bhaal> goodly, I grab kubuntu instead then :)
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> bdforbes: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[13:35] <bdforbes> odd-rationale: cheers
[13:35] <stdin> releases.ubuntu.com isn't the easiest place to get to right now, so the link may time out once or twice
[13:35] <Riddell> also http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/kubuntu-kde4-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent  go seed folks!
[13:35] <Odd-rationale> Riddell!! Congrats!! Thanks a lot!!!
[13:36] <bdforbes> nice
[13:36] <staar2> hi
[13:36] <Bhaal> What about the remix image?
[13:36] <Bhaal> for kde4
[13:36] <bdforbes> thats it
[13:36] <sacha_> that is the remix
[13:36] <Bhaal> oh
[13:37] <sacha_> notice the 'kubuntu-kde4'
[13:37] <Bhaal> Ahhh, sorry, I saw 'se' thought spanish :)
[13:37] <Bhaal> my apologies...
[13:37] <sacha_> im running the kde4 remix right now
[13:38] <bdforbes> hows it taste
[13:38] <sacha_> it hogs my RAM (i only have 512) but other than that it is goo
[13:38] <staar2> oh the release links dont open :(
[13:38] <sacha_> good..
[13:38] <sacha_> btw, kopete crashes consistently.. its a no go (they use the kde4 version). most apps are kde3 version
[13:39] <bdforbes> is it worth getting kde4
[13:39] <sacha_> looks pretty :)
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> sacha_: what are you doing to use all that RAM?
[13:39] <bdforbes> staar2: want the torrent
[13:39] <bdforbes> ?
[13:39] <sacha_> thats just a default install of 8.04 kde4 nosrednaekim
[13:39] <staar2> hm is it fast ?
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> sacha_: not really.... mine uses 312MB...
[13:39] <bdforbes> staar2L no
[13:39] <sacha_> 400 megs is used off boot (including cache and buffers)
[13:40] <bdforbes> 7 up 41 down
[13:40] <staar2> i got from one link like 40kb/s
[13:40] <bdforbes> oh im doing BT
[13:40] <sacha_> nosrednaekim: i have qdevelop, a few konsole tabs, konversation, fsirc, konqueror ... it's on to swap
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> sacha_: are you using the Kwin compositing?
[13:40] <sacha_> yeah im using compositing when i boot
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> oh.... well, there you go. ok
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> turn off the compositing and it will be fast again
[13:41] <sacha_> the compositing makes it faster actually
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> compositing here uses 200MB
[13:41] <sacha_> response, not RAM..
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> but not in memory use
[13:41] <skabet> I get some "Could not calculate the upgrade" - with a line saying "Unofficial software packages not provided på Ubuntu"
[13:41] <sacha_> only time when its slower is when it tries to switch tabs in konqueror -- i can see 2 tabs at the same time, both transparent and it's really slow
[13:41] <skabet> i have two instanlled - is that enouf to breake the upgrade?
[13:42] <Weaselweb> huh, Kubuntu Update to 8.04 LTS?
[13:42] <sacha_> yes
[13:42] <stdin> no, not LTS
[13:42] <sacha_> kde3 one is i thought?
[13:43] <stdin> no
[13:43] <sacha_> :(
[13:43] <Weaselweb> well, the updater prints that (well, in german, so i dont know the exact english text)
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> !khardy
[13:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[13:43] <stdin> Weaselweb: there is one Release Notes for all versions
[13:43] <sacha_> when does kubuntu get LTS then?
[13:43] <stdin> next time ubuntu goes LTS
[13:43] <sacha_> omg...
[13:43] <Weaselweb> stdin: this text is displayed by the distribution updater on the top of the window
[13:44] <sacha_> what a rip
[13:44] <staar2> 1h to download
[13:44] <sacha_> what about all those brazilian schools using kde3 version now? 52 million kids or whatever..
[13:44] <stdin> sacha_: blame canonical like the rest of us ;)
[13:44] <sacha_> actually, nvm, they dont use kubuntu
[13:45] <sacha_> anyway, i love my kubuntu kde4: http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2071/myfsircvo5.png
[13:45] <bdforbes> looks cool
[13:45] <Dragnslcr> Is there no 8.04 DVD?
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> Weaselweb: well, ignore it ;)
[13:50] <Weaselweb> nosrednaekim: i know. anyway i'm using kubuntu only in a vmware inside my gentoo ;-)
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> :)
[13:55] <Lord-Phoenix> does anyone have a link to the kde4-remix torrent thats actually accessible?
[13:55] <icmike5> anyone tried kde4?
[13:55] <stdin> Lord-Phoenix: see the topic in #kubuntu-kde4
[13:55] <|Dreams|> which version of kubuntu should i get the remix one or just normal 8.04?
[13:55] <stdin> depends what you want
[13:56] <|Dreams|> latest and greatest
[13:56] <|Dreams|> lol
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> |Dreams|: remix then
[13:56] <BunnyRevolution> hi.  i have a question.  if i order hardy cd today, will it be the same as one i order 8 weeks from now?  or will the one 8 weeks from now include updated packages?
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> it will be the same
[13:56] <|Dreams|> ok thank you very much time to back up using 40dvds
[13:56] <|Dreams|> haha
[13:59] <lovezqian> Hello, everyone
[13:59] <SlimeyPete> hi
[14:00] <lovezqian> hi
[14:00] <lovezqian> how are you?
[14:00] <SlimeyPete> fine thanks
[14:01] <SlimeyPete> this is a support channel by the way; if you want to just chat, you can go to #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[14:01] <lovezqian> oh, i see
[14:01] <lovezqian> thanks
[14:02] <lovezqian> but could you tell me how to go to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[14:02] <Odd-rationale> lovezqian: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:02] <BluesKaj> click on it
[14:02] <lovezqian> just click on it ?
[14:03] <Odd-rationale> BluesKaj: depends on the client...
[14:03] <BluesKaj> well yeah
[14:03] <Odd-rationale> BluesKaj: pidgin. I could do it. :(
[14:03] <Odd-rationale> Konversation ftw
[14:03] <BluesKaj> konverstion works
[14:03] <lovezqian> ok
[14:03] <BluesKaj> konversation
[14:03] <lovezqian> I have done it
[14:06] <dany84_at> has anyone links to the correct md5sums? (of kubuntu-*)
[14:06] <Odd-rationale> dany84_at: which one you want?
[14:06] <phil_> i need help
[14:06] <phil_> someone please help me
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> whats the prob?
[14:07] <Odd-rationale> !ask | phil_
[14:07] <ubotu> phil_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:08] <phil_> how do i update my gnome??? completely soo i can use frostwire again it says when i type in frostwire that java isn`t updated wat should i do??
[14:08] <BunnyRevolution> is wubi a easy interface to virtual box?
[14:08] <dany84_at> Odd-rationale: md5s of the CD-iso images, for kubuntu (alternate, x86)
[14:08] <Odd-rationale> dany84_at: live or alt?
[14:08] <Odd-rationale> oh nvm
[14:09] <BunnyRevolution> is there a JeOS this time?
[14:09] <Odd-rationale> dany84_at: fe122a713c5945dbbff035b16848ae47 *kubuntu-8.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[14:09] <ovidiu> If I have Gnome installed on my kubuntu, it will be upgraded too?
[14:09] <dany84_at> Odd... can you give me the link?
[14:09] <dany84_at> Odd-rationale (sry) can you give me the link?
[14:09] <Odd-rationale> dany84_at: sure...
[14:11] <Odd-rationale> dany84_at: looks like the server is over loaded at the moment.... But i'm very sure that it is correct.
[14:12] <phil_> i got a question
[14:13] <phil_> omg
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !ask | phil_
[14:13] <ubotu> phil_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> use http://hobbsee.com/tmp/ for .torrents
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> phil_: this is not the channel for GNOME
[14:13] <dany84_at> okay... Odd-rationale thx so far...
[14:21] <jirik> Hi, does anybody have the same problem as me? When I press alt+TAB, I do not see list of the window, but the windows are switching ...
[14:21] <jirik> I have 8.04 final version
[14:22] <Jucato> jirik: KDE 3.5.9?
[14:22] <jirik> yes
[14:23] <Jucato> Check in System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Behavior -> Focus tab -> Navigation -> Show Window List is enabled
[14:24] <Juul> is there a torrent for kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix?
[14:24] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4
[14:24] <stdin> no leading space ;)
[14:24] <LimCore> hello
[14:24] <LimCore> if I have an USB key, how to have it auto mounted to given location alays, basing on some serial number or somethig? like, /media/usb/rafal_key
[14:25] <jirik> Jucato: thanks very much, i do not consider it for good idea
[14:25] <Jucato> jirik: you're welcome very much :)
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> LimCore: use the mounconfig manager... systemsettings->advanced
[14:27] <LimCore> how to start this manager from cmdline?
[14:28] <LimCore> ok got it
[14:29] <LimCore> w00t, cool
[14:30] <enver> can someone help please can't set resolution higher than 640x480
[14:30] <khepa> buenas
[14:30] <khepa> alguien sabe porke no puedo poner mas de 2 escritorios?
[14:31] <Jucato> !es | khepa
[14:31] <ubotu> khepa: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:31] <khepa> ok thanks
[14:37] <tekteen> anyone manage to download hardy yet?
[14:38]  * Jucato almost said "#ubuntu+1 please" :D
[14:38] <tekteen> lol
[14:38] <Pici> Jucato: I'll be glad to get rid of those aliases I have setup
[14:38] <Jucato> :)
[14:39] <Jucato> it's not the aliases... it's my brain that hasn't updated yet :)
[14:39] <enoj> How stable is the 8.04 KDE 4 remix? is it just for playing around, or is it usable for "production"?
[14:39] <Jucato> enoj: personal opinion, since it comes with 4.0 series only,not ready for production. you might get better opinions in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:40] <enoj> Jucato: ok thanks
[14:40] <arcticpenguin380> how long will the repos be chocked for?
[14:41] <tekteen> 2 days
[14:41] <tekteen> :-)
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> at least
[14:42] <arcticpenguin380> im lucky enough to get 133KB/s on the torrent
[14:42] <arcticpenguin380> now its 300Kb/s
[14:42] <tekteen> wow that is fast :'-(
[14:43] <Jucato> heh.. I thought that was 1337KB/s :)
[14:43] <tekteen> I am stuck with 20 at most
[14:43] <tekteen> and I am uploading more :-)
[14:43] <arcticpenguin380> Im lucky enough that i can get 400KB/s with 2 xbox 360s connected to the internet online
[14:44] <zorros> Who could send me a DVD with Kubuntu 8.04?
[14:44] <arcticpenguin380> today is also the last for edgy support =(
[14:44] <stdin> zorros: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/dvd/
[14:45] <tekteen> zorros: If you want a cd I am willing to mail you one :-)
[14:45] <zorros> I've already requested one cd... I need a dvd
[14:45] <stdin> *cough* SHIPIT *cough*
[14:46] <stdin> zorros: use the torrent, it'll be faster
[14:46] <Cannon> hi
[14:46] <arcticpenguin380> are all the ubuntu repo mirrors also going to be full to?
[14:46] <zorros> stdin: my internet connection is 32kbit/sec :(
[14:46] <tekteen> Cannon: hi
[14:46] <tekteen> arcticpenguin380: yep
[14:47] <stdin> zorros: but the servers are going to be hammered for days, you'll be lucky to get a http connection at all
[14:47] <tekteen> arcticpenguin380: ubuntu has shutdown... come again soon
[14:49] <yakuzi> is there anyone with a working torrent tracker? because KTorrent won't work :s
[14:49] <tekteen> yakuzi: ktorrent is a client not a tracker
[14:50] <yakuzi> i know, but the connection with torrent.ubuntu.com is broken, so it won't start downloading
[14:50] <tekteen> I have no problems
[14:51] <tekteen> maybe it was uploaded to the piratebay
[14:51] <tekteen> just make sure you hash check it :-)
[14:51] <tekteen> yakuzi: I have not has a problem with it though
[14:52] <koolatron> Can anyone comment about whether 8.04's KDE4 remix is yet worth it?  I suppose they wouldn't have released a seperate image with KDE4 if it weren't..
[14:52] <Jucato> koolatron: personal opinion, since it comes with 4.0 series only,not ready for production. you might get better opinions in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:52] <Ta3v> Greetings fellow Ubuntu users.
[14:53] <Jucato> koolatron: worth a try though.. but definitely not something you'd completely switch to (since it isn't complete yet)
[14:53] <BluesKaj> koolatron, think I'll wait til the dust settles on kde4 in hardy
[14:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I'll wait for 4.1 to start pimping it like crazy
[14:53] <Jucato> er.. krazy
[14:53] <nosrednaekim> koolatron: its interesting... and works for me
[14:53] <Ta3v> Has anyone upgraded to Hardy Heron yet?
[14:53] <koolatron> Jucato: thanks.  that's sort of what my feeling was.. I've got KDE4 installed on my Gutsy machine and it's definitely not ready.  I figured maybe Hardy had a newer or more complete version
[14:53] <Ta3v> I'm in the process of doing so.
[14:54]  * emilsedgh uses KDE's trunk/ and is really happy with it
[14:54] <prateek> How do I update the RC desktop CD image to the final one with Jigdo? There are no desktop jigdo files here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[14:54] <fioss> koolatron: I personally use KDE4 at home, its nice already, but not really ready. For full time use I would wait for KDE4.1
[14:54] <Ta3v> I have KDE 4 on my install and I thought it was fine.
[14:54] <Ta3v> I never had any problems with it.
[14:54] <Jucato> for me it's not really a question of stability but of features, at least as far as KDE 4.0 is concerned
[14:55] <Jucato> I'm on trunk (going 4.1) and I love it :)
[14:55] <koolatron> Jucato: so in your opinion 4.1 is worth it, but 4.0 is not?
[14:55] <Jucato> koolatron: "worth it" is very subjective, and depends on how you'll use it
[14:56] <Jucato> if you expect 4.0 to be like an upgraded 3.5 (3.6...), then you're way off mark. you could consider 4.0 to be a sort of tech preview...
[14:56] <koolatron> I think what will probably happen is that I download and try both, unfortunately
[14:56] <Jucato> anyway, more for #kubuntu-kde4 than here :)
[14:56] <koolatron> I was hoping to avoid that :>
[14:56] <zorros> KDE4 rulezzz
[14:56] <emilsedgh> Jucato: btw alpha 1 tagged a few minutes ago.will packages come for kubuntu?
[14:56] <Jucato> koolatron: why not just download one and install the other later?
[14:57] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that I don't know.. stdin?
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> 4.1 alpha? awesome :)
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> I am tempted...
[14:57] <emilsedgh> (btw it includes a very broken plasma) :D
[14:57] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: c'mon! building from SVN is easy!!
[14:57] <stdin> koolatron: not until we move to Qt4.4
[14:57] <Gabz> torrent for 8.04 kubuntu i can't find it any hints ?
[14:58] <stdin> Gabz: topic?
[14:58] <Gabz> don't worry i found it just after i asked i wanted to download the iso
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: not when you have Dial-up
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> and don't want to break everything.
[14:59] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: huh? why would it break anything?
[14:59] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: im on dialup man.do it once!
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> 26K dial-up?
[14:59] <XSlicer> wow site is slow O.o I couldnt even download the torrent.. I got it now though.. after 10 retries >.>
[14:59] <genii> 26K???
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> when the tar some out i'll get my dad to Download it.
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> yep
[14:59] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: you could do something else
[14:59] <genii> bleh
[14:59] <Gabz> ugh the downlaod mirrors are so slow i can't download the torrent file...
[15:00] <karl_> true that
[15:00] <prateek> Where are the jigdo files for desktop CDs?
[15:00] <karl_> someone have a link to the torrent file?
[15:00] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: if you have access to some servers with high speed, get the svn there and create a zip from svn, then download it
[15:00] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: just aptoncd or something all the necessary packages. then you can even just download tarballed source packages for SVN snapshots (currently 4.0.70)
[15:00] <prateek> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[15:00] <karl_> how about the remix too?
[15:01] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: is there a list of neccesary  packages?
[15:01] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: sure!
[15:01] <prateek> I don't have that page loaded in my browser.
[15:01] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: for kubuntu hardy? nice :)
[15:02] <Gabz> thanks
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: on techbase I assume
[15:02] <Jucato> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian
[15:02] <Jucato> actually it's gutsy, but I'm sure it will work :)
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> thanx.... when this hardy update-slam-the-mirrors-kraze is over i'll give it a shot :)
[15:03] <Jucato> :)
[15:03] <slowpoke> how long till there will be reliable user-created torrents up?
[15:04] <karl_> i found one on demonoid
[15:04] <XSlicer> Fast torrent, 1 MB/sec
[15:04]  * slowpoke goes to check demonoid acct
[15:05] <enoj> When will adept ask me to upgrade to 8.04?
[15:05] <karl_> is posting urls prohibitied?
[15:05] <prateek> Where are the jigdo files for desktop CDs? I hope they are available.
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> enoj: soon
[15:05] <Jucato> karl_: depends if it's relevant or appropriate
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> karl_: I don't think so
[15:05] <SlimeyPete> karl_: no
[15:05] <SlimeyPete> it was earlier
[15:05] <karl_> http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1446543/10862592/
[15:05] <yakuzi> i found my torrent problem....the university network i'm on blocks torrents, even if it's legal
[15:05] <karl_> that's a link to the kubuntu alternative install
[15:05] <lovre> hi all
[15:05] <lovre> where can i see the kubuntu 8.04 changelog?
[15:06] <SlimeyPete> lovre: on the release page
[15:06] <SlimeyPete> linked from the main page
[15:06]  * genii hands out coffees
[15:06] <slowpoke> karl_: crap, 9 seeders?  i think i'll go home for lunch, start the torrent, and hopefully by 5:30, it'll be done
[15:06] <pietje_phuck> About to install the 8.04 any reason not to?
[15:06] <karl_> it was coming down at 200 for me
[15:07] <karl_> suddenly i lost connection to the tracker
[15:07] <slowpoke> karl_: i'm still leery of demonoid... could be honeypot, but that's getting off-topic.
[15:07] <slowpoke> has anyone upgraded from gutsy today?
[15:07] <slowpoke> any breakage?
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> slowpoke: did it two weeks ago
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> no breakage then
[15:08] <rickey> this is the only time ill post my proublem
[15:09] <rickey> E: Type 'kubuntu-restricted-extras.' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:09] <rickey> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[15:09] <rickey> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[15:09] <rickey> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[15:09] <rickey> will someone help me fix it
[15:09] <Jucato> !paste | rickey
[15:09] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:10] <Jucato> rickey: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? I think there might be something wrong
[15:12] <rickey> where do it find this file
[15:12] <Jucato> in the /etc/apt/ directory :)
[15:12] <rickey> how do i get to this list so i can copy and past
[15:13] <Jucato> rickey: press Alt+F2, enter "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[15:13] <rickey> paste
[15:14] <karl_> could i just install ubuntu 8.04 and install kubuntu-desktop?
[15:14] <karl_> so i can download it now.
[15:15] <genii> Yup. Use torrent if possible
[15:15] <karl_> lol ubuntu.com is down.
[15:15] <flipstar> not down..but veryyyyyyyyyyy slow
[15:15] <tekteen> ddos lives
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> karl_: yes, that works
[15:15] <last> hello everyone
[15:15] <genii> Yes, approaching DDOS levels of slow
[15:16] <last> I have just instailled kubuntu, but it seems I cannot find repositories for codecs and flash and that kind of things
[15:16] <XSlicer> At least I had this small luck of getting the torrent.. after that within 15 minutes I had the ISO >>
[15:16] <genii> !medibuntu | last
[15:16] <ubotu> last: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> last: kubuntu-restricted-extras is the package that you want
[15:17] <flipstar> XSlicer: can you post the torrent :P (if it's the kubuntu desktop)
[15:17] <XSlicer> Sure
[15:17] <XSlicer> well
[15:17] <last> thabks nosrednaekim
[15:17] <karl_> good luck connecting to it
[15:17] <XSlicer> I have this now
[15:17] <XSlicer> xslicer.nl/torrents/
[15:17] <XSlicer> http://xslicer.nl/torrents/
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> haha
[15:18] <last> I meant thanks a lot nosrednaekim
[15:19] <flipstar> hm kde4 is actually not what i want
[15:19] <flipstar> btw is it possible to hide a user from the login manager? i created a ftp user that shouldn't show up there
[15:20] <LimCore> flipstar: it is
[15:20] <LimCore> try looking for some configure there.  or look by hand for option files in /etc/
[15:20] <genii> flipstar: The uid/gid needs to be under 1000 then it becomes a system account and not shown
[15:20] <LimCore> genii: not only
[15:20] <LimCore> you can show/hide any other
[15:21] <LimCore> in kdm, gdm
[15:21] <XSlicer> hm
[15:21] <XSlicer> 404's
[15:22] <Jucato> flipstar: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Login Manager -> Users tab
[15:22] <Jucato> genii: ^^^
[15:22] <flipstar> ah exactly what i searched :) thanks
[15:22] <vamsi> Hello everyone, I have a quick question about hardy installation
[15:22] <rickey> how do i get sources .list to number
[15:23] <Jucato> rickey: what do you mean?
[15:23] <vamsi> I am running hardy beta now, how do i upgrade to final release of hardy?
[15:23] <Jucato> vamsi: just do regular upgrades
[15:23] <rickey> so the lines will be numbered
[15:23] <nosrednaekim> vamsi: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[15:23] <Jucato> rickey: you don't need to. when you paste it in the pastebin link, it will show numbers
[15:23] <vamsi> jucato: i install all updates adept throws at me. so is that enough?
[15:23] <Jucato> !pastebin | rickey
[15:23] <ubotu> rickey: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:23] <Jucato> vamsi: yep
[15:24] <rickey> ok
[15:24] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: might need dist-upgrade there (since it's the default mode for Synaptic and Adept anyway)
[15:24] <bipolar> Does anyone have a link to the 8.04 i386 Desktop iso torrent? I'm having a hell of a time getting it off the overloaded servers.
[15:24] <rickey> i should paste the whole ist?"
[15:24] <vamsi> jucato: oh okay. then i am already running the final version of hardy! cool.
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: I did not know that :)
[15:24] <XSlicer> http://www.xslicer.nl/torrents/ <-- some torrents
[15:24] <Jucato> vamsi: you can check in Konsole by typing "lsb_release -a"
[15:25] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: in Adept, "Full Upgrade" = dist-upgrade and Safe Upgrade = upgrade only
[15:25] <Jucato> I forgot the names in Synaptic, but it was basically the same
[15:25] <vamsi> jucato: alright thanks for the help. have a good day
[15:28] <spawn57> woooOooOO hardy's out ;D
[15:28] <Ertyle> !torrents-#kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu Hardy Heron (8.04) torrents can be obtained at http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 3.5.9) or http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/8.04/release/ (KDE 4.0.3)
[15:28] <valerio__> #ubuntu-it
[15:28] <genii> Jucato: Ah OK :)
[15:29] <genii> (work required me briefly here)
[15:29] <flipstar> are there download statistic's from ubuntu.com ?
[15:29] <flipstar> would be interesting :)
[15:30] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: yeah... I had the url.. just a sec
[15:31] <genii> flipstar: Probably on distrowatch you might get some idea
[15:31] <djouallah> in am using kubuntu 4.04 konqueror works, but konversation keep teeling me can't resolv the host
[15:31] <djouallah> 8.04
[15:31] <ivan_> hey guys, I have problem upgrading :)
[15:31] <nosrednaekim> flipstar: http://noc.bit.nl/stackgraph.php?stackconf=ubuntu
[15:31] <ivan_> Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/dists/hardy/Release Unable to find expected entry gutsy/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?
[15:31] <ivan_> do you have ideas?
[15:32] <genii> nosrednaekim: Gotta love those spikes in April and October :)
[15:33] <nosrednaekim> :)
[15:34] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'll bet the servers at sherbrooke university are humming
[15:34] <BluesKaj> sure were slow yesterday
[15:34] <jussio1> Hrm, how do I change refresh rate in hardy :/
[15:35] <jussio1> this 60 hz is probably not good for my screen...
[15:38] <Riddell> TimS: that wasn't my intention :)
[15:39] <TimS> Haha, No, I realise it is a eV channel, so I should not really be there anyway =]
[15:39] <genii> I can't remember when I saw Riddell here last.
[15:40] <Riddell> genii: I'm always here
[15:40] <stdin> he spies on us all ;)
[15:40] <TimS> Riddell: I've just been helping with docs, but the KDE-doc channel is so inactive that I can't get much help.
[15:40] <genii> stdin: Probably :)
[15:40] <BluesKaj> lurker eh :)
[15:40] <TimS> Whats happened to the doc team recently?
[15:40] <genii> Riddell: Well, "actively" here , I'll qualify
[15:41] <TimS> Whow, 8.04 has been released already?
[15:42] <stdin> TimS: has been for a while now
[15:42]  * BluesKaj wondeers if the ati 8.4 driver from gutsy will work in Hardy ?
[15:42] <TimS> Wow, I am a bit out.
[15:42] <stdin> grab the torrent and SEED! ;)
[15:42]  * TimS wonders if they have finally updated the nvidia driver so that my old 7300 will work again.
[15:43] <TimS> stdin: Any idea how long the update will take me, I only have a 1mb broadband line.
[15:43] <stdin> TimS: not sure, I've been on hardy for a few months
[15:43] <TimS> The last update froze out on me, broke my installation :(
[15:44] <TimS> Oh right, anyone else upgraded and can tell me the time it took?
[15:45] <Riddell> the upgrade tool is significantly more stable this time
[15:45] <TimS> Oh, brilliant, I don't want to risk loosing everything again
[15:45] <Riddell> takes half an hour to a couple of hours depending on lots of things, it'll give you an estimate before it starts
[15:46] <BluesKaj> TimS, I'm upgrading on 700kbs DSL ...speed is averaging about 75 from the US servers .Looks like about 2 hrs total here ...I gave up on the Canadian ones
[15:46] <TimS> Oh right. How much has to be downloaded then?
[15:46] <TimS> I have a download restriction as of 4.00 pm here. BluesKaj, ah, I am in the UK, not sure how much I would get.
[15:47] <BluesKaj> TimS, not sure ...adept only gives the number of files , no size
[15:48] <TimS> How many files did you have?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 911
[15:48] <Jucato> the estimate of size is at the status bar I think
[15:48] <TimS> Okay, Ill have a look, how do I do this then?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> staus bar on adept just gives %
[15:50] <TimS> The only reason for me upgrading is if the nvidia-glx bug has been fixed, its reported to have a more recent driver, but I want to see a test from someone whos used it, as the new driver is still not perfect.
[15:52] <stefan-f> juhu, on ubuntu server 6.06 I have 8.2.5 running!!!
[15:53] <stefan-f> so what is that with the suse stuff?
[15:53] <farchord> w00t kde4 kinda rocks
[15:53] <TimS> BluesKaj: When you update, do you get a choice to go for KDE4 or does it give you KDE3 automatically?
[15:54] <bbird> Hi guys. I Have some problem with compiz. Is this the right place to have some assistance ?
[15:56] <TimS> Riddell: The terminal does not show when I press show terminal :o Not sure if thats a bug or just my PC :P
[15:57] <XSlicer> bbird: try #compiz-fusion
[15:58] <bbird> Thanks a lot XSlicer
[16:01] <pietje_phuck> woot, install went better then most, just had to configure the monitor manually
[16:02] <TimS> pietje_phuck: Fresh install or upgrade?
[16:02] <pietje_phuck> fresh install
[16:02] <TimS> I hope my upgrade goes as well as that
[16:02] <XSlicer> Im still installing, no problems so far.
[16:02] <TimS> But I am not sure I could fix my monitor anyway!
[16:03] <pietje_phuck> had to reset the pc after 5 minutes after the configure of the monitor, but all is well now
[16:03] <SlimeyPete> for the first time, the upgrade worked for me
[16:03] <SlimeyPete> that's never happened before on *buntu
[16:03] <TimS> It didn't work for me last time, I hope it does this time
[16:03] <pietje_phuck> woot SlimeyPete
[16:03] <SlimeyPete> as in, it worked perfectly. No problems whatsoever.
[16:03] <TimS> I am taking a serious chunk of my bandwith restriction to do this!
[16:03] <pietje_phuck> I am not using kde 4.0 though
[16:04] <pietje_phuck> SlimeyPete: Nice when it all works out aint it?
[16:04] <TimS> Holy hell! 78 Packages to be removed, 172 packages to be installed 1547 packages to be upgraded.
[16:04] <pietje_phuck> lol
[16:04] <TimS> 1426mb of downloads
[16:05] <pietje_phuck> get the CD instead
[16:05] <TimS> That will take 5 hours 13mins on this connection.
[16:05] <pietje_phuck> lol
[16:05] <TimS> Then the upgrade will take several hours to finish,
[16:05] <salva> hithere! what's up woth 8.04 repositories? its seems to be empty!!1!
[16:05] <TimS> Right, Ill leave it till saturday when I get a larger bandwith!
[16:06]  * SlimeyPete did it from work. It took less than 90 seconds :)
[16:06] <TimS> 5 hours just for the downloads!
[16:06] <TimS> 90 seconds? No way! How fast is the broadband
[16:07] <flipstar> Upload Speed:	6577.5 kB/s :)
[16:07] <farchord> TimS: downloaded the upgrade for me at 1200kb/s
[16:07] <SlimeyPete> TimS: well, from my position it's 100mbit (that's the speed of the LAN)
[16:07] <farchord> took me like 10mins
[16:07] <rickey> ive loaded my proulbem on pasteben   the name is rickey may2
[16:08] <SlimeyPete> but the link is a big multi-gigabit pipe to JANET
[16:08] <TimS> Jesus! I would get 100kbs If I am lukcy, 1547 packages to be updates
[16:08] <flipstar> tooked here about 10 seconds for the cd lol
[16:08] <TimS> updated*
[16:08] <polysilicon> I am not able to download ISO image of kubuntu, are there local mirrors?
[16:09] <stdin> use torrents if you can
[16:09] <polysilicon> the main site seems to be loaded
[16:09] <stdin> that's why I say to use torrents
[16:10] <genii> rickey: If you tell us the website address of your paste there we may be able to go look at it
[16:10] <polysilicon> but no local mirros?
[16:11] <salva> sorry... where are the repos for compiz or nvidia driver?
[16:11] <flipstar> polysilicon: torrent will probably be faster anyway
[16:11] <stdin> polysilicon: they'd be getting hit too
[16:11] <stdin> salva: compiz is in main and the nvidia driver is in restricted
[16:11] <stdin> !nvidia
[16:11] <polysilicon> even the torrent file download is not starting...
[16:11] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[16:12] <polysilicon> yeah got it
[16:12] <salva> adept don't show any package that is not installed
[16:12] <stdin> polysilicon: see, imagine trying to download an ISO from servers like that ;P
[16:12] <polysilicon> hehe
[16:13] <stdin> salva: go to Adept->Manage Repositories and check all the boxes, then click "Fetch Updates"
[16:13] <XSlicer> Ah, installed.. Now the great problem of my wireless card...
[16:13] <stdin> but use the restricted manager or jockey to install nvidia
[16:14] <rickey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64242/
[16:14] <genii> rickey: Thanks you
[16:14] <Jucato> rickey: delete line 56
[16:14] <Jucato> in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[16:14] <Jucato> (is it still open in Kate?)
[16:14] <rickey> i have tryed but it wont save
[16:15] <Jucato> rickey: did you enter the command that I gave? kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:15] <Jucato> it will ask for your password. then you'll be able to save it
[16:16] <rickey> where do i put that  (not  sure  what to do with it)
[16:16] <fulat2k> anyone here upgraded from Feisty?
[16:16] <genii> rickey: Delete that last line from your sources.list file. Install that from the pac kage manager, don't add the name into your repository list like that
[16:17] <uisrael> Hooola a todos
[16:17] <salva> it worked! i forget to update the apt info... :S Thanks!
[16:17] <genii> rickey: eg             sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras                                 and remove: kubuntu-restricted-extras    fom your sources.list   !!
[16:18] <coggz> hi dudes
[16:18] <rickey> i do that from konsole ?
[16:18] <Jucato> rickey: Alt+F2, then "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[16:20] <uisrael> Me puede decir alguien como ejecuto una aplicacion de windows que esta en un servidor
[16:20] <dennister> hey channel...this may sound stupid, cause i know using 2 modems together in a daisy chain won't normally work, but one of my modems is a 2wire modem/router combo device, and I was thinking of simply not plugging in the phone wire and using it behind an old pc as a simple switch...is that possible?
[16:20] <Jucato> !es | uisrael
[16:20] <ubotu> uisrael: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[16:21] <rickey> ok kdesu kate dont work
[16:22] <pietje_phuck> what happened to dcop?
[16:22] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[16:23] <dennister> love hardy heron, btw, installed the release candidate, server ed, on the testing p2 pc a few days ago
[16:25] <dennister> a little problem with hardy, tho: i wanted to use it for a pxeinstall server/dhcpd3, and one of the 3 required programs for pxe install server wasn't available for hardy
[16:26] <emilsedgh> welcome mkargar :)
[16:31] <Bert_2> hi, does anybody here know something about webcam support in kopete MSN, cause I can't get it to work ???
[16:32] <nbf7777> how does one see what version of kubuntu is installed?
[16:32] <SilentDis> !version | nbf7777
[16:32] <ubotu> nbf7777: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[16:33] <rickey_> ok first thing
[16:34] <nbf7777> thank you very much ubotu
[16:34] <Bauldrick> whats the easiest way to get iso from dvd
[16:34] <tekteen> ubotu is a bot
[16:34] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[16:34] <SilentDis> nbf7777: ubotu knows all, tells all :D
[16:34] <tekteen> ubotu is smart
[16:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is smart - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:34] <tekteen> XD or not
[16:34] <rickey_>  i dont seem to beable to get  line 56 to delite i take it out , but it dont delite
[16:34] <SilentDis> Bauldrick: not sure if the DVD is out there yet in iso... but i would say a .torrent is the fastest method
[16:35] <rickey_> i do it over and over again
[16:35] <rickey_> but it just keeps comeing back
[16:35] <Bauldrick> backing up ps2 game - rip it to iso image
[16:35] <flipstar> rickey_: just comment it out, save and update..
[16:35] <nbf7777> ubotu konqurer
[16:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqurer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:36] <rickey_> what is commet it out?
[16:36] <tekteen> !konquerer
[16:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konquerer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:36] <tekteen> !konqueror
[16:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:36] <SilentDis> !info konqueror
[16:36] <ubotu> konqueror (source: kdebase): KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7 (hardy), package size 1921 kB, installed size 5264 kB
[16:37] <SilentDis> nbf7777: what info about konqueror are you looking for?
[16:37] <nbf7777> sorry. i was just looking around. i am kinda newby at ubuntu - kubuntu os
[16:38] <SilentDis> nbf7777: welcome to the revolution! if you've got any problems, just ask :)
[16:38] <flipstar> rickey_: make a "#" before the line
[16:38] <nbf7777> tx
[16:38] <nbf7777> #thx
[16:39] <dennister> anyone know if a modem/router combo device can be used as a router alone, simply by not plugging in the phone line?
[16:39] <SilentDis> dennister: are you looking for something for dialup?
[16:40] <dennister> no, i have broadband dsl
[16:40] <rickey_> this #    or "#" this??
[16:40] <MilitantPotato> is there not a Kubuntu 8.04 alt torrent?
[16:40] <dennister> rickey_: yes
[16:40] <rickey_> which one
[16:40] <dennister> MilitantPotato: yes there is
[16:40] <SilentDis> dennister: there's standalone routers available.  linksys makes one that i trust, if you want more, Cisco has some very nice ones, from budget $100 models right up to the big boys, all running IOS :)
[16:40] <dennister> #
[16:41] <rickey_> thANKS
[16:41] <rickest> dennister: usually not because there's no WAN CAT45 connector
[16:41] <BluesKaj> dennister, do you mean as LAN router with a seperate gateway to the net ?
[16:41] <MilitantPotato> dennister: dvd only?
[16:41] <dennister> SilentDis: i know, i have a linksys befsr41.v3 that I'm trying to find the default username for...
[16:41] <SilentDis> dennister: ahhh!  linksys username/password is usually admin/admin to start with
[16:42] <dennister> MilitantPotato: no, dvd is available, but so are others that i'm downloading from mininova now
[16:42] <MilitantPotato> dennister: ok, must be buried in a mirror somewhere
[16:42] <dennister> SilentDis: thx...i tried that combo already, but nada
[16:42] <SilentDis> dennister: did you reset the thing and loose your docs?  lol
[16:42] <dennister> MilitantPotato: try mininova...they have lots of hardy torrents
[16:43] <rickest> dennister: http://www.routerpasswords.com/index.asp
[16:43] <dennister> SilentDis: lol...i have the manual here, and it gave me the default password, but not the username...someone gave it to me, so perhaps he changed those settings
[16:43] <dennister> i'll reset it to the defaults/factory :)
[16:44] <dennister> thx rickest
[16:44] <SilentDis> dennister: sounds like you'll need to hardware reset it.  should be a pinhole on the back/bottom/somewhere :)
[16:44] <TimS> How can I get apt-get to display a list of unneeded packages?
[16:44] <rickey_> dan it i am not getting write priv
[16:44] <TimS> I know it does when you install something, but I am not sure how to do it.
[16:44] <rickey_> and kdesu kate  wont  work in that line
[16:44] <dennister> now, about the 2wire modem/router...can it be used as a simple router only, by not plugging in the phone line?
[16:45] <rickest> TimS: apt-get autoremove
[16:45] <dennister> SilentDis: yes, I've reset many a router to factory :)
[16:45] <rickest> TimS: also (if installed), 'deborphan --libdevel --find-config'
[16:45] <TimS> will it display a list before I say yet to removing them? And is it only packages that no other app depend on?
[16:45] <SilentDis> dennister: usually, yes.  but it will try to setup default gateway via dhcp, which can cause headaches.  what is the 'end result' you're looking for here?
[16:45] <TimS> yes*
[16:46] <rickey_> wen i do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list it say bad command
[16:46] <rickest> TimS: use -s to 'simulate'
[16:46] <TimS> Okay, thanks
[16:47] <mot_> anybody having any substantial trouble upgrading before i take the plunge?
[16:47] <LimCore> wow, ubuntu.com fails
[16:47] <rickey_> i can get in to it with /etc/apt/sources.list but i cant delite and save
[16:47] <LimCore> more exacly, fails with 503 - too havy load on server
[16:47] <BluesKaj> rickey_, is that command line or run box
[16:48] <SilentDis> darn you all anyway, use DHT capable torrent clients and enable it!  lol
[16:48] <mot_> heh
[16:49] <rickey_> i do  aly+f2 i get a box  and a line to inter in
[16:49] <dennister> SilentDis: redoing my network here so i can build a pxeinstall server...might as well use it as the dhcp3-server, too, firewall, dmz...topology i want is single speedstream modem-->dmz host/pxe server-->two routers used as simple switches (host will be router) -->two subnets (linkys will handle my other more protected servers, while 2 wire will handle the build machines
[16:49] <TimS> rickest: It wants to remove things like ktron and ktux and games I haven't said I don't want
[16:49] <rickey_> thats where i put it
[16:49] <TimS> I dont wannt them, but I am not sure why its done that
[16:49] <mot_> is it safe to upgrade?
[16:49] <gromozekin> yes
[16:49] <gromozekin> in theory
[16:49] <gromozekin> )))
[16:49] <mot_> or am i going to get failures retriving packages?
[16:49] <gromozekin> YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[16:49] <xanax`> i know there's a way to upgrade from kubuntu 7.04 to ubuntu 8.04 (gnome), but is there a command or a tutorial to upgrade from kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[16:50] <tekteen> mot_: falure
[16:50] <mot_> tekteen, ?
[16:50] <tekteen> mot_: at least wait a few days
[16:50] <SilentDis> !upgrade xanax`
[16:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade xanax` - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:50] <farchord> Anyone know why the stats script of xchat thinks that I'm running on Debian Lenny!?
[16:50] <SilentDis> !upgrade | xanax`
[16:50] <ubotu> xanax`: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[16:50] <xanax`> thanks
[16:51] <rickey_> blueskaj you still with me
[16:51] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:51] <SilentDis> dennister: for that kind of topology, a router placed in for the more secure boxes should just have an ethernet port on the back for WAN access.  most of them do have that
[16:52] <SilentDis> dennister: unless i'm just misunderstanding things, as i've been up for 20 hours straight... a definate possiblity lol
[16:53] <dennister> SilentDis: yes, and the linsys definitely does...looking at the 2wire's manual it seems to, but it's physically located downstairs
[16:54] <rickey_> ok lets start all over
[16:54] <BluesKaj> rickey_,  ' kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list ' will work in both CLI and run command
[16:54] <dennister> the 2wire's manual, of course, warns against using two modems....but it's aimed at very dumb users
[16:54] <rickey_>  what is the box i get wen i  push alt+f2
[16:54] <dennister> too slow...
[16:55] <derdui_> Hi, has anybody an idea, why counterstrike via wine doesnt load completely? it shuts down nearly the end of loading th map. I am running Kubuntu hardy heron
[16:55] <BluesKaj> rickey_, run command
[16:56] <BluesKaj> rickey_, CLI=comand line interface or Konsole or terminal shell
[16:56] <Jucato> derdui_: you might get better help in #winehq
[16:56] <XSlicer> hm... I cant download Konversation, it says it can't find the package 'konversation'. Is this because of KDE4?
[16:56] <dennister> derdui_: when did u download the counterstrike? or are you trying to download it now from the repositories?
[16:57] <derdui_> i have a dvd from a mate
[16:57] <dennister> XSlicer: i think the repository servers are having difficulty keeping up with the demands today since the release
[16:57] <flipstar> w00t counterstrike is in the repo's ?
[16:58] <dennister> flipstar: sorry, probably not
[16:58] <XSlicer> Oh yeah.. guess ill have to be patient
[16:59] <dennister> derdui_: is ur version of hardy the release candidate, or the one publicly released today?
[17:00] <dennister> derdui_: i'm just curious as to ur experience with hardy...#winehq would be a better bet for ur issue, as jucato said
[17:00] <derdui_> dennister: i have downloaded my hardy weeks ago and used the upgrade to keep ist uptodate
[17:01] <xanax`> once i'll finish installing kubuntu 8.04 (kde 3.5.9), will I be able to download kde 4  and have to chose which one I want to load in KDM ?
[17:01] <SlimeyPete> xanax`: yes.
[17:01] <onlinelli> yes
[17:03] <dennister> derdui_: i'd ask you to do me a favour then, but ubuntu.com is having quite a few probs loading, what witht he traffic
[17:04] <gromozekin> )))
[17:04] <gromozekin> kubuntu 8 04 is loadin
[17:04] <gromozekin> )))
[17:04] <gromozekin> ^^
[17:04] <derdui_> sorry, i dont understand you dennister
[17:04] <dennister> i tried the release candate a few days ago, and i was told one crucial package for a pxeinstall server wasn't available for hardy yet
[17:04] <PY> Yo, alls
[17:05] <PY> Can anyone tell me if there is any trouble with the latest kubuntu and vista, as in dual booting?
[17:05] <dennister> i'd look up what that package is called, but as i said, even ubuntu.com documentation site is timing out
[17:05] <ovidiu> hi
[17:05] <ovidiu> I've got a problem
[17:05] <gromozekin> tits>
[17:05] <PY> XD
[17:05] <ovidiu> while I was upgrading Gutsy to Hardy
[17:05] <esperegu> where can I find the torrents?
[17:06] <gromozekin> auto
[17:06] <ovidiu> the Distribution upgrade seems to stuck here
[17:06] <ovidiu> Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[17:06] <ovidiu> ///usr/share/gnome/help/blackjack/el/blackjack.xml:402: parser error : Entity 'Βοήθεια' not defined
[17:06] <ovidiu>                   <para><guimenuitem>Προτιμήσεις&Βοήθεια;</gui
[17:06] <PY> I'd have liked a torrent, couldn't find it
[17:06] <gromozekin> just press update source
[17:06] <PY> I'm living in fear that my download will ping out
[17:06] <PY> Anyway, any troubles with vista's BCD in the new one?
[17:06] <XSlicer> PY: there is not problem with Vista dual boot
[17:06] <ovidiu> what can I do?
[17:06] <XSlicer> no*
[17:06] <PY> :o
[17:06] <PY> It's you!
[17:07] <PY> Anyway, No troubles, yay
[17:07] <gromozekin> install vista
[17:07] <gromozekin> only way
[17:07] <Riddell> Kubuntu Release Party Radio Stream at http://audio.radioamarok.com
[17:08] <light> Which bt client is good for downloading the new release?
[17:08] <PY> I like uTorrent, does that have a linux build?
[17:09] <XSlicer> µTorrent
[17:09] <tekteen> light: any
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Ktorrent
[17:09] <tekteen> light: ktorrent comes with kubuntu
[17:09] <BluesKaj> utorrent only runs in wine , no linux version yet
[17:10] <PY> Aww, I like uTorrent
[17:10] <BluesKaj> try ktorrent , very familiar looking
[17:10] <XSlicer> Yea I forgot that <.>
[17:10] <PY> Well, doesn't matter, a torrent client is just a client, after all
[17:11] <light> My connection is very slow. 65seeders 54leechers 10-20kB/s sometimes 100kB/s but lasted for only several minutes.
[17:11] <PY> Nasty seed/leech ratio
[17:11] <PY> Still, it's pretty new out, so...
[17:12] <light> I'm using kTorrent.
[17:12] <rickey_> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /etc/apt/sources.list.
[17:12] <rickey_> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[17:13] <dennister> later folks...
[17:13] <PY> See ya
[17:13] <stev> i want to ask how can i install kde on ubuntu...???
[17:14] <XSlicer> Get kubuntu?
[17:14] <XSlicer> oh
[17:14] <ovidiu> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:14] <Jucato> !kde | stev
[17:14] <ubotu> stev: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[17:14] <light> stev: fire up Synaptic and search for kubuntu
[17:14] <PY> Actually, what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, apart from GNOME and KDE, and the apps it comes with?
[17:15] <ovidiu> there are specific KDE applications in Kubuntu
[17:15] <unix_infidel> anyone here do and upgrade from 8.04 beta to stable?
[17:15] <PY> 'and the apps it comes with'
[17:15] <ovidiu> for example KTorrent, Konversation...
[17:15] <PY> No kernel changes?
[17:15] <ovidiu> no
[17:15] <Eruaran> No mono dependancies ;)
[17:15] <ovidiu> the base is same as Ubuntu
[17:15] <PY> Neat
[17:15] <Jucato> PY: everything below the desktop level (below KDE and GNOME) are the same across Ubuntu and Kubuntu (mostly)
[17:15] <PY> Ah, gotcha
[17:16] <PY> good enough for me
[17:16] <stev> thank you
[17:17] <stev> what version of kde in 8.04 will be...???
[17:17] <PY> 3 or 4
[17:17] <Eruaran> 3.5.9
[17:17] <PY> Depending on which you download
[17:17] <PY> <_< close enough
[17:17] <Eruaran> There is also the KDE4 remix
[17:17] <Eruaran> KDE 4.0.3
[17:17] <PY> Anyway, I'm sated
[17:17] <stev> why should use 2 version...???
[17:18] <stev> why not kde 4 only
[17:18] <ovidiu> so what's mean that:
[17:18] <ovidiu> Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[17:18] <ovidiu> ///usr/share/gnome/help/blackjack/el/blackjack.xml:402: parser error : Entity 'Βοήθεια' not defined
[17:18] <ovidiu>                   <para><guimenuitem>Προτιμήσεις&Βοήθεια;</gui
[17:18] <ovidiu> ?
[17:18] <Eruaran> you can use kde4 only
[17:18] <Eruaran> There are two versions of kubuntu atm. Separate downloads.
[17:18] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿i observed that all linux executables have the "gears" icon in dolphin (they can't have their own icons?), so it's impossible for an executable to fake as a movie file, right?
[17:19] <SlimeyPete> stev: because kde4 is immature, so many people would prefer to use kde3.
[17:19] <SlimeyPete> but some like kde4 so it is available
[17:20] <Eruaran> yao_ziyuan: right...
[17:21] <yao_ziyuan> Eruaran: this is amazing... but i should hear at least another guy's opinion in this potentially big vulnerability
[17:21] <Eruaran> yao_ziyuan: ?
[17:21] <stev> someone should make a special distro for designer
[17:22] <jlund> Is the tracker down?
[17:22] <yao_ziyuan> Eruaran: i mean if an executable file can have its custom icon and has the file extension "rmvb" or "avi", it can successfully fake as a movie file for you to click
[17:22] <stev> I thougt all linux distribution is not suitable for the designers
[17:22] <ovidiu> yes, it is true. because linux executables cannot embed icons the executable files cannot be made to look like a movie file, or something
[17:23] <Eruaran> yao_ziyuan: linux is not like windows
[17:23] <yao_ziyuan> ovidiu: thanks for confirmation
[17:23] <yao_ziyuan> Eruaran: in windows, i'd just look at the file extension column
[17:23] <llutz> yao_ziyuan: filename-extensions aren't important for the content. they are just letters, saying nothing
[17:24] <ovidiu> I see that Konqueror detects the filetypes
[17:24] <kevman> How might I go about getting this Kubuntu DVD release?
[17:24] <ovidiu> the extension doesn't matter so much
[17:24] <kevman> The link to the torrent on the site is 404
[17:28] <BluesKaj> hmm, the fglrx restricted driver was retained in the Hardy release ... fgl_glxgears provides 60% more frames/sec than Gutsy did ...I'm impressed so far ...now to tackle the google-earth problem
[17:30] <hoopoe> can i safely abort this upgrade? i'm in getting new packages stage.
[17:32] <Malic> good question..
[17:32] <Malic> the servers are very slow
[17:32] <BluesKaj> hoopoe, not a good idea, unless you're stuck
[17:32] <kevman> SO I guess there's no DVD version yet?
[17:32] <ovidiu> I got an error while configuring scrollkeeper
[17:33] <ovidiu> I can reconfigure it later with dpkg?
[17:33] <hoopoe> thanks blueskaj, i guess i'll keep at it
[17:40] <light> Wow! bt download suddenly speed up. down speed 320kB/s , up speed 120kB/s
[17:46] <Malic> my speed notification disappeared ^^
[17:47] <light> Big release day! Happy downloading and installation. Bye!
[17:47] <llutz> use torrent, keep seeding after download finished
[17:48] <light> Of course! \(^0^)/
[17:49] <hoopoe> i wish i hadn't started this today
[17:49] <Malic> why?
[17:49] <hoopoe> slow
[17:49] <[B5C]wallabee> 410 up;)
[17:49] <Malic> now the speed is ok.. i have 400kbs
[17:49] <tasos> hello all
[17:51] <CodddEr> there are other mirrors for kubuntu 8.04 kde 4 remix than the main site ? ( its very slow )
[17:51] <tasos> i recently download Kubuntu and i intall them in my computer but i am have problem with them...I can not update anythink....
[17:51] <tasos> can anyone help with that?
[17:51] <vit> hola
[17:52] <excitatory> does anyone have a bt link for the latest kubuntu?  oddly, i'm having some difficulty finding one.. all of the mirrors i try direct me to bt links, but do not include the 8.04 release
[17:53] <rickest> excitatory: torrents for all hardy releases: http://www.acc.umu.se/~mighty/ubuntu/
[17:54] <tasos> you can download it with torrent
[17:54] <CodddEr> torrent for me is even slower
[17:56] <rickest> anyone know if the nvidia 8800GT is supported in the restricted repositories for 8.04 or do we still have it do it manually or with envy?
[18:01] <jussio1> gah, my math sucks. is 1920x1200 16:9 or 16:10?
[18:02] <XSlicer> 16:10
[18:03] <jussio1> thanks XSlicer
[18:25] <martalli> rickest: Just use the hardware manager in the system menu
[18:26] <rickest> martalli: so the 8800GT *is* supported now?
[18:26] <fearsome> wow neat
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> rickest: sure
[18:27] <alxju> hi! I've updated to hardy.. how to get a nicely integrated Firefox3 ?
[18:27] <fearsome> doesn't firefox come with hardy?
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> in kubuntu? you must be dreaming
[18:27] <rickest> nosrednaekim: cool, no more manually patching the kernel or using envy
[18:27] <fearsome> kubuntu, eh, haven't tried it yet
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> "nicely integrated firefox" is a feature of ubuntu, not kubuntu
[18:27] <alxju> :)
[18:27] <fearsome> si, si
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> rickest: I don't think so
[18:28] <fearsome> god, i'm drunk
[18:28] <alxju> maybe but its possible to have a qt-gkt working
[18:28] <fearsome> and its 1:28 pm
[18:28] <alxju> but its doesn't do anyhing
[18:28] <fearsome> right after my exam
[18:28] <rickest> nosrednaekim: if nothing else, I know envy is in the repos now so it's easier even if still required
[18:28] <fearsome> i'll go get another beer
[18:28] <edeltoaster> ähm installing firefox and integrating plz shouldnt be a problem?
[18:29] <alxju> all work, but its ugly..
[18:29] <alxju> i did have this with FF2
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> edeltoaster:installing is easy... making it look pretty is not
[18:29] <alxju> (i didn't..)
[18:30] <ShawnRisk> I am trying to update to 8.04 which isn't working, it says that it can't fetch the url, and times out but I am connected to the internet.  Any ideas?
[18:30] <Freku> maybe servers a bit too busy ?
[18:30] <fearsome> YES,
[18:30] <flipstar> try again later ShawnRisk
[18:30] <fearsome> check ur internet connection
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> ShawnRisk: wait a couple days... the mirrors are really really slow
[18:30] <fearsome> just kidding
[18:30] <fearsome> mmm foood
[18:31] <ShawnRisk> okay thanks
[18:31] <alxju> or download the iso by bittorrent
[18:31] <flipstar> ShawnRisk: or try another mirror
[18:32] <eddieftw> ShawnRisk: check the ubuntu planet, there are a few tutorials on how to upgrade even if downloading is taking a long time. http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[18:32] <nzk_> Gah, I have a problem. I tried to upgrade to Hardy today, but for some reason, when I unminimized my distribution upgrade window, the window didn't render. It was just a blank window. I tried to restart X, but now it won't let me go into Gnome, so I have to use KDE or XFCE. But if I try to run a partial upgrade in XFCE, it says that Apt or Aptitude is already running and that I can't finish the upgrade. What am I to do?
[18:33] <ShawnRisk> thanks I might wait
[18:34] <eddieftw> !aptlock
[18:34] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:34] <eddieftw> nzk_: see the bot's message
[18:35] <nzk_> Darnit, how do I copy in Konsole?
[18:35] <nzk_> Oh, nevermind.
[18:35] <nzk_> Alright, I'll try that.
[18:35] <whiteflag> hi
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> hi whiteflag
[18:36] <nzk_> eddieftw: Alright, can I go back into GNOME now and try to finish the upgrade?
[18:36] <clau30_> hi. what's the difference actually between kde3 and kde4 version. If i download the kde3 version, I can install kde4, right?
[18:36] <whiteflag> somebody downloaded Hardy Heron ?
[18:37] <flipstar> yep
[18:37] <clau30_> flipstar: yep for me?
[18:37] <clau30_> what's the difference then? :)
[18:37] <JoshOvki> clau30_: yes you can
[18:37] <Freku> i think 1
[18:37] <flipstar> clau30_: a yep for you too :)
[18:37] <sbucat> hello guys xD
[18:38] <JoshOvki> clau30_: the difference is they are different versions kde
[18:38] <eddieftw> yes clau30_
[18:38] <eddieftw> nzk_: yes you can try it
[18:38] <whiteflag> flipstar: have you installed it ?
[18:38] <clau30_> Jsn0327: yea I know that :) but why are there 2 releases then?
[18:39] <Freku> 1 for business and 1 for you
[18:39] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a sources.list generator?
[18:39] <clau30_> ah, that makes more sense :) thanks
[18:39] <mefisto__> I'm in the middle of upgrading to hardy, had a message about kdebase-data not installing, but the upgrade can continue, and that the package may be in a not working state. I suppose I'll try to reinstall that package after the upgrade completes. Any advice, things I should be cautious about?
[18:41] <clau30_> so another question: can I install from a usb stick? how?
[18:41] <Wrath> anyone else having issues with the kubuntu alternate cd torrent?
[18:41] <flipstar> how can i enable auto-login again..?
[18:41] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[18:41] <eddieftw> unix_infidel: a .... generator?
[18:42] <tekteen> !source-o-matic|unix_infidel
[18:42] <ubotu> unix_infidel: source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[18:42] <BonesolTeraDyne> Quick question. I'm using a Core2Duo (64 bit procs). Will I see a performance boost if I use the x64 version, or are they pretty much the same?
[18:42] <Skrible> Heyy! I'm looking for the install DVD but the site is down. So does anyone know where to download the torrent file?
[18:42] <eddieftw> !install | clau30_
[18:42] <ubotu> clau30_: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[18:43] <flipstar> how can i enable auto-login again..? pls..
[18:43] <flipstar> setting no password .. ?
[18:44] <tekteen> flipstar: it is in system settings
[18:44] <tekteen> flipstar: system settings > advanced tab > login manager
[18:45] <clau30_> download servers are slow.. cool :)
[18:45] <Skrible> So.. Does anyone know where to get the DVD-image?
[18:45] <Skrible> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/hardy-dvd-i386.iso <-- its just stuffed
[18:45] <tekteen> clau30_: we are great DDOSers
[18:46] <LimCore> dont use iso
[18:46] <LimCore> dont download that iso
[18:46] <clau30_> tekteen: no I mean cool because that means that a lot of ppl are downloading
[18:46] <LimCore> download and use torrent instead
[18:46] <JoshOvki> hundreds of people trying to download direct from ubuntu.com gonna be slow. torrents are the way forward
[18:46] <BonesolTeraDyne> Okay, let me ask again, now that I have a GUI. I'm using a Core2Duo (64 bit) machine. Will I see a performance boost if I use the x64 verion of Kubuntu, or are they pretty mucht the same?
[18:46] <tekteen> clau30_: there always are :-)
[18:47] <LimCore> JoshOvki: almost noone is seeding. download and seed \o/
[18:47] <LimCore> BonesolTeraDyne: the same
[18:47] <Skrible> LimCore, well I try but cannot find the torrent
[18:47] <Skrible> the site is not working
[18:47] <clau30_> here also true: people, SEED the darn torrents
[18:47] <JoshOvki> i would seed if i had it down, but ive had it installed for a while
[18:47] <sig_wall> Skrible: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:47] <BonesolTeraDyne> LimCore: Okay. thanks.
[18:47] <LimCore> BonesolTeraDyne: 64 bit rocks for other purposes. 64 bit is needed to use over 4 GB ram
[18:47] <Skrible> ohh.. stupid me. :E
[18:47] <flipstar> tekteen: problem is that the bluetooth keyboard doesn't work in login manager
[18:47] <sigma_1234> top release guys. that boot speed is amazing
[18:47] <Wrath> try http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Kubuntu/8.04/
[18:47] <eddieftw> really now?
[18:47] <eddieftw> piratebay.com
[18:47] <tekteen> flipstar: ok
[18:47] <LimCore> use ISO people
[18:47] <eddieftw> i see at least 10 torrents
[18:48] <LimCore> erm
[18:48] <LimCore> use TORRENTS people
[18:48] <Wrath> just a mirror to get the torrents from
[18:48] <clau30_> LimCore: lol
[18:48] <Wrath> as i was having trouble even downloading the .torrents earlier
[18:48] <sigma_1234> i got a iso this morning. came down just fine
[18:48] <flipstar> tekteen: anyway to get it working ?
[18:48] <eddieftw> you people are crazy. it's a torrent, you guys can handle that can't you?
[18:48] <LimCore> clau30_: direct download of image kills serves  =)
[18:48] <mefisto__> just open up ktorrent and search for kubuntu hardy. how hard can it be?
[18:48] <JoshOvki> sigma_1234: you seeing?
[18:48] <JoshOvki> *seeding
[18:49] <isaac> uhm
[18:49] <clau30_> LimCore: I know, I encourage TORRENTS also
[18:49] <jimiIL> hey friends, i have a problem upgrading my dist(7.10to8.04) and the kubuntu\wiki guide didn't giving me any answers...
[18:49] <jimiIL> when i'm fatching up the adept manager (or using  "--dist-upgrade-proposed") i can "upgrade my dist to 7.10(the wird thing is that i've allready have it) if i'm trying to do it - the upgrade(gui) tool stucks after the download phase, until two days ago there was a command for adept to get 8.04, does anyone remembers it? and if not anny suggestions? how can i upgrade it?
[18:49] <clau30_> LimCore: your mistake was funny ;)
[18:49] <clau30_> LimCore: why do you say 64bit version is same as x86?
[18:49]  * LimCore searched for ubuntu hard and found pr0n
[18:49] <isaac> what KDE version shipped in the Remix thing? 4.0.2? or a KDE 4.1 alpha thing?
[18:49] <tekteen> flipstar: system settings > advanced tab > login manager > convenience
[18:49] <sigma_1234> nope got it from the sa academic mirror
[18:49] <clau30_> LimCore: don't programs make use of the other 32bit (in suse channel they said they do)
[18:49] <LimCore> clau30_: 64bit is not magically faster then 32bit.  k8 may be a bit faster then i686
[18:50] <LimCore> hmm
[18:50] <Ginungaggap> cu guys
[18:50] <clau30_> LimCore: so should I get the amd64 version or stick with x86 to be sure?
[18:50] <LimCore> 64bit -vs- 32bit  and  k8 vs i686.  64 bit dont speedup.   ok, k8 may speedup over i686
[18:50] <siofwolves> can i version upgrade to Kubuntu KDE 4 Remix or is it Kubuntu 8.04 only?
[18:50] <nb72> I think KDE 4.0.3
[18:50] <isaac> nb72: thanks
[18:50] <sigma_1234> can i use gutsy apache mysql and php deb files to install in hardy?
[18:51] <LimCore> clau30_: I use amd64, it works very well.  ok the speed may be a bit faster (because its k8, not because the 64bit itself)
[18:51] <isaac> I think I am going with Ubuntu and building KDE from SVN
[18:51] <clau30_> LimCore: ok, that's what I wanted to hear :) (the problem of choise, eh?!)
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> siofwolves: if you have gutsy kde3 currently, upgrade to hardy kde3 and install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[18:52] <Xbehave> is it worth it for me to d/l torrents just to seed?
[18:52] <siofwolves> nosrednaekim, k, thx.
[18:52] <Bauldrick> anyone got any clues about connecting an o2 cocoon mobile phone?
[18:52] <tekteen> Xbehave: as long as you seed past a 1.0 ratio
[18:53] <Freku> and have fast upload
[18:53] <Xbehave> ofc i will, but itll take a while as my d/l speed is much bigger than my u/l
[18:53] <tekteen> Xbehave: I am still seeding
[18:53] <Freku> like everyone
[18:53] <jimiIL> friends.. how can i upgrade kubuntu to 8.04 thruogh the terminal?
[18:54] <tekteen> Freku: very few people continue to seed :-(
[18:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> tekteen: I'm seeding right now.
[18:54] <tekteen> jimiIL: sudo apt-get distupgrade ?
[18:54] <Xbehave> so itll take a while for the two to level, out, suppose as long as i get a good ratio it doesnt matter, i cant install it tm :( plus i always use alternate installer anyway
[18:54] <tekteen> dist-upgrade?
[18:54] <Xbehave> tekteen: that wont upgrade it
[18:55] <tekteen> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:55] <tekteen> why not
[18:55] <tekteen> !upgrade
[18:55] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:55] <Xbehave> dist-upgrade might but apt-get will only give you latest updates for your versions
[18:55] <jimiIL> no.. that's giving me the 7.10
[18:55] <jimiIL> the weird thing is that i got 7.10 and the "upgrade to it just crashes..
[18:56] <FrauHansen> no upgrade-button in adept-manager here :( am i the only one with a shy "version upgrade" button?
[18:57] <immesys> Hey, please can someone give me a link to a private mirror of kubuntu kde4 remix? I'm getting unbelievably slow DL from site
[18:57] <tekteen> immesys: torrent it
[18:57] <siofwolves> FrauHansen, did you click 'fetch updates' after loading adept?
[18:57] <Bauldrick> I had to press Alt + f2 and type kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" to upgrade I think, then they changed the upgrade instructions
[18:57] <TameLion> Anyone know a format for CD printing from 'nix? I wanna convert this: http://www.tamelion.co.uk/media/view/hardy_cd_print_image
[18:57] <immesys> My torrent crashed, tracker keeps dying
[18:57] <jimiIL> you should press fetch updates
[18:58] <FrauHansen> siofwolves: of course. several times.
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: do it manually
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: replace every gutsy in your /etc/apt/sources.list with hardy and the update you package lists
[18:58] <siofwolves> FrauHansen, hah, i just clicked my version upgrade button and apdept crashed...
[18:59] <Malic> FrauHansen: try update-manager
[18:59] <ovidiu> a torrent link for 8.04, please?
[18:59] <immesys> yes please, I can't get .torrent from site
[18:59] <Xbehave> ovidiu: kubuntu, standard or 64 alternate?
[19:00] <ovidiu> standard
[19:00] <XSlicer> http://xslicer.nl/linuxtorrents/
[19:00] <ovidiu> 32 bit, the desktop version
[19:00] <tekteen> ovidiu: I will look for it. kde4?
[19:00] <ovidiu> no
[19:00] <ovidiu> kde 3.5.9
[19:00] <immesys> yes please
[19:00] <Xbehave> magnet link magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7R67CPBD2TG4QYFQ3TRMIPGA7S5P2W7U
[19:00] <FrauHansen> nosrednaekim: that way sucks. i had to use this method from 6.10 to 7.04 and to 7.10 already. i want my button :(
[19:01] <tekteen> ovidiu: I almost have it :-)
[19:01] <Freku> just wait a few days
[19:01] <Xbehave> wget ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:01] <tekteen> ovidiu: http://banner.uits.indiana.edu/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:01] <ovidiu> I have upgraded my distro from gutsy to hardy
[19:02] <ovidiu> but the things are messed up on my desktop
[19:02] <Xbehave> FrauHansen to add the button i think you have to customise your toolbar
[19:02] <Ta3v> I had to log in with GNOME instead of KDE to upgrade
[19:02] <Ta3v> I don't believe you can upgrade with Adept
[19:02] <nosrednaekim> FrauHansen: hey.. it works every time :)
[19:02] <rickey> wen i push  ALT and  F2 and my window openeds  and i type kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list in   my computer says incorrect commmand, what am i doing wrongwhy wont kdesudo kate work???
[19:02] <jimiIL> guys you're the kings and rulers!!! it succeded and i'm upgrading right now!! thanks!!
[19:02] <XenThraL> rickey: its 'kdesu'
[19:02] <vistakiller> pulseaudio dont work in kubuntu?
[19:02] <immesys> rickey: its kdesu
[19:02] <Xbehave> for something as important as a verison upgrade your much better off working with konsole
[19:02] <XenThraL> not 'kdesudo'
[19:02] <spitters> How do I upgrade to KDE 4.0remix. Adept seems to allow KDE 3.5 only.
[19:03] <rickey> i have tryed that too
[19:03] <Xbehave> immesys: kubuntu has introduces kdesudo
[19:03] <Bauldrick> jimiIL: how did you do it in the end?
[19:03] <Xbehave> its a wrapper to kdesu or something like that both commands are valid
[19:03] <immesys> Xbehave: oh.. my bad
[19:03] <FrauHansen> Xbehave: i cant seem to find a button for upgrades in the available buttons list
[19:03] <Malic> FrauHansen: have you tried it with update-manager? it is stupid to do it this way, but for me it works
[19:04] <FrauHansen> Malic: not, not yet.
[19:04] <jimiIL> alt+f2:  kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[19:04] <jimiIL> and then "upgrade version" and, finally instad of 7.10 there was an upgrade to 8.04
[19:04] <rickey> the reson i need to get this sorted out is i have a misstake on line 56 i need to delite
[19:04] <Bauldrick> I thought so :)
[19:04] <FrauHansen> stupid to have a button that never shows up :(
[19:05] <Freku> how you know if it doesnt show
[19:05] <Freku> :)
[19:05] <rickey>  i can type  /ect/app/sources.list and get in but nothinh i do can be saved
[19:05] <Bauldrick> I told him so
[19:06] <jimiIL> thank you might!
[19:06] <Xbehave> jimiL its better to type that into a konsole to catch any errors, FrauHansen. i dont have the button i dont think it exists, its a bad idea to use adept, which i find unstable at times, to upgrade your system
[19:07] <Xbehave> rickey you need to use sudo , e.g sudo nanao /etc/app/sources.list or kdesudo kate /etc/app/sources.list
[19:07] <jimiIL> okay..
[19:07] <FrauHansen> Xbehave: so you suggest the sources.list changing way?
[19:08] <nzk> Alright, the distribution upgrade is doing a partial upgrade, but it has been stuck at "Reading cache" for about a half-hour. Is this normal?
[19:09] <Xbehave> my internet is stupidly slow but, 7 second ping atm, but there should be a command to run, i think "jimiL: "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"" shoudl do it
[19:09] <fabriux> holas a todos
[19:09] <Xbehave> nzk its release day, nothing is normal
[19:09] <Xbehave> !es
[19:09] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:10] <Dflies> Hello. I just installed Kubuntu 7.10 couple hours ago (for a third time, because I had errors with 2 other clean installs..) now, when I boot, I get kubuntu loading screen, when it moves to login screen - everything goes black. I can click alt+f2 and run some code. Does anyone know how to make things work again?
[19:10] <Xbehave> but if thats empty you can try here
[19:10] <nzk> I know, but you'd think that this'd be a process that runs locally, since reading the cache be not governed by any sort of outside circumstance.
[19:11] <FrauHansen> jimiIL: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"  worked. I didn't realise you adressed me with that (but you did, right?)
[19:11] <jimiIL> please NOTICE: anyone with a graphical nvidia card.. if you're upgrading from k7.10 to 8.04 install the driver BEFORE the installation, if you'll do it afterwards (uding the gui) you'll expierence many res probs and  a max screen size of 640*480
[19:11] <jimiIL> that's the reason i'm upgrading now after installing first the 8.04 and having prob with the nvidia card and screen res, from my expierence, if you're ibstalling 7.10 with your graphical card and upgrading the dist that should solve it.
[19:11] <BluesKaj> the oddest thing is happening . I just reinstalled google earth , but for some reason i seem to to have 2 versions of the same app ..both appear to be installed in the same file /opt/google-earth , but when i try to copy the desktop icon to link to the desktop , the whole app doesn't come up when clicked on. Just part of the server but without the earth graphics and the handlike cursor ...very weird.
[19:11] <Xbehave> nzk, perhaps its checking hashes :s
[19:11] <Xbehave> or manybe its some other bug
[19:12] <spitters> How do I upgrade to KDE 4.0remix. Adept seems to allow KDE 3.5 only.
[19:12] <rickey> wen i used kdesudo kate /ect/app/sources.list  it says  command not fond
[19:12] <Xbehave> Blueskaj, theres a problem with the latest google earth, if installes as a user, you can run it, but if you install it as root, then you cant login without rnning as root
[19:12] <rickey> wen i use nano nothing happens
[19:12] <nzk> I'll leave it be for an hour, and if it naught have changed during that period, I'll ask again.
[19:13] <nosrednaekim> spitters: upgrade to the kde3 and then grab kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:13] <spitters> Thx
[19:13] <Dflies> Does anyone know how to fix my "black screen problem" I installed compizfusion and it worked fine btw, if it has anything to do with it.
[19:13] <Xbehave> spitters: upgrade then install kde4 or d/l the iso and clean isntall
[19:13] <skreech_> Hi all
[19:13] <eddieftw> hi skreech_
[19:13] <BluesKaj> iyes Xbehave ,if I give myself permisssions by going into the file with kdesudo konqueror /opt/google-earth, i can use it NP  ...very strange
[19:13] <jimiIL> check the apt installation-info throw the adept (not the packat manager - through the system - adept) maybe one of them is for kde4? i had the same prob with kopete
[19:13] <FrauHansen> rickey:  try: kdesudo 'kate /ect/app/sources.list'  or  kdesu 'kate /ect/app/sources.list'
[19:14] <eddieftw>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:14] <nzk> Hey eddieftw. Maybe you'd know why my partial distribution upgrade is stuck at "Reading cache" for the past half-hour?
[19:14] <skreech_> Hardy /j ubuntu-release-party
[19:14] <rickey> i just did ,but ill do it again
[19:14] <Xbehave> BluesKaj: so you give yourself permisions to /opt/google-earth, and run as a normal user and it works :S thought id tried that, perhaps its some other security measure i have
[19:14] <eddieftw> sorry, ive never had that problem. ive been running hardy for several months now :/
[19:15] <skreech_> hi eddieftw
[19:15] <FrauHansen> erm rickey better replace "app" with "apt" in the path
[19:15] <jimiIL> spitters  : you can install kde4 along side your kde version, you should have a metapackage in adept manager
[19:15] <uwo> hi all. 3
[19:15] <tvakah> torrent tracker mirror, any?
[19:15] <Dflies> bah. stupid kubuntu :| shouldn't be this hard.
[19:16] <Xbehave> Dflies, try booting without the splash or quiet and see if you can get more information
[19:16] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, rhetorical question , but why does it open a google earth page and just sit there with no earth in the GUI  ...
[19:16] <Dflies> Sorry for being a total newbie but how can I boot without splash?
[19:17] <rickey> : kdesudo 'kate /ect/apt/sources.list'   commmmand noot fond
[19:17] <Xbehave> i dont have a working internet conection so i cant be much help, but when you get to grub, edit the line to remove splash and quiet
[19:17] <Freku> not kdesudo  just sudo
[19:17] <Dflies> ok I'll try. Thanks
[19:17] <eldeee> hi, how can i find out which domains are hosted on a  server? (from command  line)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, wonder if a symlink will work ?
[19:17] <jimiIL> it's not that kubuntu is hard, it's just that as human being we're too slow :)
[19:17] <JackWinter> tvakah: you want a torrent for 8.04 ?
[19:18] <tvakah> JackWinter, I loaded up the torrent for 8.04 alt iso i386, but torrent.ubuntu.com times out
[19:18] <Xbehave> Freku: it should be kdesudo for gui apps, that or kdesu
[19:19] <Freku> should we install kdesudo 1st ?
[19:19] <rickey>  kdesu 'kate /ect/apt/sources.list'   command not fond
[19:19] <Freku> i have no kdesudo either
[19:19] <Xbehave> ln -s should preserve the permistions you put on it, but most programs run scripts to set the working directory and stuff so im not sure
[19:19] <Freku> newbie too
[19:19] <Freku> :)
[19:19] <rickey> now i can get in with /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:19] <Xbehave> what version are you on?
[19:19] <eddieftw> LISTEN CAREFULLY sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:19] <Freku> the very old 7.10
[19:19] <eddieftw> that is where your sources.list file is
[19:19] <Freku> hehe
[19:20] <rickey> but i cant edit anything
[19:20] <Xbehave> kdesu should work, sudo kate will also work its just not recomended if kdesudo or kdesu works
[19:20] <rickey> and save it
[19:20] <mefisto__> kate would need kdesudo or kdesu, NOT sudo
[19:20] <tvakah> JackWinter, scratch that, torrent.ubuntu.com finally responded
[19:20] <Freku> ok
[19:20] <eddieftw> if you can get in with /ect/anything, your system is seriously messed up
[19:21] <JackWinter> tvakah: ok, was trying to figure out how to get the torrent out of ktorrent ;)
[19:21] <eddieftw> mefisto__: sudo kate works
[19:21] <eddieftw> i do it ALL the time
[19:21] <rickey> the only way i can get to that list is by typeing /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:21] <tvakah> JackWinter, heh, I had the torrent file no problem, it was the tracker that was not responding for me
[19:21] <eddieftw> okay. wow. fail.
[19:21] <mefisto__> eddieftw: yes it works, but it can have bad results for the system
[19:22] <JackWinter> tvakah: maybe it's hard at work right now ;)
[19:23] <tvakah> JackWinter, indeed, but it's all godo now, seeing 1.8-2M/sec
[19:23] <Bauldrick> rickey: sorry, what are trying to do?
[19:23] <JackWinter> how do i setup the /boot/menu.lst for multibooting ubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntustudio etc.  I suppose that i will have them all in /boot on my main linux partition ?
[19:23] <rickey> i have a missake on line 56 apt manager
[19:24] <rickey>  that i need to fix
[19:24] <rickey>  delite
[19:24] <tvakah> JackWinter, if I were you, I'd have a common /boot partition, then a partition for / of each distro... only if each distro uses the same release of the kernel, you may hav collisions of initramfs's and such
[19:24] <rickey>  cant get there so i can delite it ans update and save
[19:25] <Xbehave> all my torrents are working, if somebody needs them they are  wget ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent ; get ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/8.04/kubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent , i can also export http seeds to anybody who pms me
[19:25] <jimiIL> fellows, i'm leaving now have a great day/night i'll be back to bother you with questions when i'll finish my dist upgrade, and offcourse i'll try to help (if  newbie like me to linux can hlp with something)
[19:25] <flipstar> konsole is really buggy ://
[19:25] <rickey> kdesudo kdesu or nano wont get me in
[19:25] <mefisto__> rickey: what are you editing?
[19:25] <Xbehave> flipstar: what happend, ve never had a problem with it
[19:25] <rickey> onlly /ect/apt/sources.list will
[19:26] <Xbehave> rickey sudo nano will let you edit it
[19:26] <rickey>  but cant save changes
[19:26] <Bauldrick> command line - sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list       ?
[19:26] <mefisto__> rickey: it's /etc/ not /ect/
[19:26] <Xbehave> sudo nano /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:26] <flipstar> can someone make bug 203573 to high priority ? :/
[19:26] <rickey> yes i know my missstake
[19:26] <rickey>  ect
[19:26] <flipstar> Xbehave: it behaves very wired
[19:26] <flipstar> !bug bug 203573
[19:26] <flipstar> !bug 203573
[19:26] <flipstar> !bug #203573
[19:26] <JackWinter> tvakah: i think i need to study the system before i start setting  up ;)  wanna try ubuntustudio and kde4 and probably a 64bit dist.  don't wanna break my new shiny system though ;)
[19:27] <Xbehave> flipstar: this is end user support not developer so unlikely to happen
[19:27] <rickey> i have been doing it rigth
[19:27] <rickey> ect
[19:27] <rickey> just a slip last time
[19:27] <tvakah> JackWinter, yeah I'd imagine you'd need to stop the kernel package system from autogenerating grub config and do it by hand everytime you upgrade a kernel or what not
[19:27] <B3zso> hello
[19:27] <B3zso> some one can help me out ?
[19:28] <ScorpKing> !ask | B3zso
[19:28] <Ahmuck> does hardy screw with fonts?
[19:28] <ubotu> B3zso: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:28] <flipstar> Xbehave: i see..but it's definitive an end user problem..
[19:28] <tvakah> JackWinter, but I'm not 100%, I'm coming over from using straight up debian sid for a long time
[19:28] <excitatory> does anyone know if that keyboard bug (in a ATI, fglrx / XGL setup) has been fixed in the new release?
[19:28] <mefisto__> JackWinter: you can intall ubuntustudio from a metapackage - ubuntustudio-desktop or something like that. It installs about 30 apps, and the real-time kernel suitable for audio work
[19:28] <ScorpKing> sooo guys, hows 8.04? i'm only getting it tomorrow
[19:29] <nosrednaekim> very nice
[19:29] <flipstar> ScorpKing: as long as you don't plan to use konsole..good :)
[19:29] <ckpro> I got it
[19:29] <B3zso> its good
[19:29] <ckpro> but got a problem :P
[19:29] <Xbehave> JackWinter: all ubuntus use the same kernel, so the problem is with kdm or gdm
[19:29] <ckpro> Can someone help me out ?
[19:29] <ScorpKing> flipstar: that won't do then. i need my konsole ;)
[19:29] <excitatory> Xbehave: no, the ubuntu-studio uses a modified kernel
[19:29] <B3zso> i have problem whit my monitor resolusion i think coz its jumping in right size... on the monitor how can i fixx it??????
[19:29] <flipstar> ScorpKing: then be prepared for wired konsole bahavior
[19:30] <B3zso> iam on ubuntu 8.04tlS
[19:30] <Dflies> Hi. I removed the quiet and splash and booted it. Still it didn't work. Same black screen as before. Do you think if removing compiz would work?
[19:30] <Xbehave> excitatory: will normal ubuntu not work on studio kernel
[19:30] <JackWinter> mefisto__: oh, i love my kde, and have a working audio setup with a wine sequencer.  it kicks *ss on a q6600, am so happy that i finally can leave windows, something i wanted to do for 5-10 years, but the sequencer alway held me back...
[19:30] <ScorpKing> flipstar: nice. then i'll have something to fix :)
[19:30] <Xbehave> !compiz
[19:30]  * ScorpKing goes to make some food..
[19:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:31] <wayneward> i thought hardy was going to have pulse audio as audio sound server?
[19:31] <mefisto__> JackWinter: if you're doing audio work, you should at least get the real-time kernel
[19:31] <JackWinter> i wanna try out the different dists, and 64bit too.  but i'm in love with kde so i think the choice has been made ;)
[19:31] <Xbehave> Dflies: how did you install compiz?
[19:31] <B3zso> some one?
[19:31] <JackWinter> mefisto__: have the rt kernel
[19:31] <excitatory> Xbehave: of course.. the only difference is that there is a tweaked kernel for ubuntu studio, otherwise it's a stock ubuntu kernel
[19:31] <wk> hello all, i have question - i want to run my old good quake3 in kde4 but don't get sound working :( in kde3 everything worked... does someone know how to turn off the new phonon or something?
[19:31] <Dflies> Xbehave:I followed the link which the bot just pasted.
[19:31] <ckpro> Tried to install the ATI Linux Driver (for Radeon 9250) , tried all tuts on how to do it, and everyone of them, saying "X Server: unable to detect"..anyone know how to fix this ?
[19:32] <JackWinter> excitatory: tweaked in what way ?  i thought it was only a rt kernel ?
[19:32] <excitatory> that's what i mean
[19:32] <sebbar> hi, if I have two computers connected through a router+switch, is there an easy way to transfer files from one to the other?
[19:33] <mefisto__> ckpro: I have the same (9250). I compiled/installed a driver that enables tvout (finally!) I can try to find the link for you
[19:33] <Dflies> stupid booting issue :|
[19:33] <Xbehave> Dflies: stupid slow intenet connection, im afraid i cant really help much, you should be able to modify xorg with help, but everybody seams busy here and im no use try #compiz-fusion
[19:34] <DarkestHour> JackWinter: Ubuntu Studio has a realtime kernel.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> sebbar , linux on both or windows and linux
[19:34] <ckpro> hey ?
[19:34] <sebbar> BluesKaj: linux on both
[19:34] <ckpro> anyone know how to fix the ati problem ?
[19:34] <Xbehave> sebbar, msn
[19:34] <MrJoey> ckpro> Try removing your xorg.conf (preferably backing it up somewhere) and restarting X
[19:34] <MrJoey>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:34] <ckpro> MrJoey
[19:34] <ckpro> pm ?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> sebbar, open konqueror , type smb:/
[19:35] <Xbehave> sebbar, you could set up an ftp share or samba or a million other things but an instant message protocol is going to be the fastest, just use IRC or msn to send one computer the files
[19:35] <mm_202> Hey guys, quick question.  Kubuntu 8.04, what version is the kernel? Still 2.6.22?
[19:35] <B3zso> I have an quastion please can some one help whit the monitor problem i have iam on ubuntu8.04 and on the monitor the screen are jumping  in the right size and dont know whats wrong..... please help me..
[19:35] <Xbehave> for permenant stuff then ftp or smb is going to be better
[19:35] <tvakah> mm_202, 2.6.24 here
[19:36] <sebbar> BluesKaj: Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall.
[19:36] <wayneward>  smb:/
[19:36] <JackWinter> how do i check which version i'm running.  8.04rc or 8.04?
[19:36] <mm_202> oh, thanks
[19:36] <Xbehave> mm_202: 22-14
[19:36] <wayneward> 2.6.24-16-generic
[19:36] <sebbar> well it's 100mb, is msn really the best quick option?
[19:36] <joeyadams> ckpro> You have to be registered with nickserv to use pm.
[19:36] <wayneward> just install openssh-server
[19:36] <mm_202> hmm
[19:36] <wayneward> and scp across files of fish
[19:36] <BluesKaj> sebbar, are both pcs powered up ?
[19:37] <Scubar> got a quick Q?
[19:37] <sebbar> BluesKaj: yes
[19:37] <tvakah> JackWinter, cat /etc/issue
[19:37] <lz1gjd> hi, just installed kubuntu 8.04 but for some reason when i try to start adept or hw proprietary driver manager nothing happens
[19:37] <rickey> i have been very carefull, all three of the commands you have given me return a anwser of command not fond, kdesu, kdesudo ,and nano       /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:37] <Xbehave> sebbar, i think msn will route over a lan so should be pretty fast
[19:37] <BluesKaj> install samba , sebbar
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> lz1gjd: did you try running it from the konsole?
[19:37] <Xbehave> sebbar, otherwise irc definatly will
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> try "kdesudo adept_manager"
[19:37] <lz1gjd> it works from the konsole
[19:37] <Scubar> the new 8.04 does it still have the annoying issue with screen going blank on 8800 cards ?
[19:37] <tvakah> JackWinter, or open /etc/issue in kate, or other editor
[19:37] <lz1gjd> but why not from the menu
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, what's with IMs ?
[19:37] <B3zso> I have an quastion please can some one help whit the monitor problem i have iam on ubuntu8.04 and on the monitor the screen are jumping  in the right size and dont know whats wrong..... please help me..
[19:38] <mefisto__> ckpro: have you looked at this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout -- It works well for my 9250 card, but I'm still on gutsy (and TVout works too!)
[19:38] <mzanfardino> question: running kubuntu gutsy and I need to know what timezone my machine was installed/configured to.  What file should I be looking at?
[19:38] <sebbar> did it through irc, tnx
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> B3zso: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[19:38] <Xbehave> rickey its /etc/
[19:38] <B3zso> nosrednaekim UBUNTU 8.04 TLS
[19:38] <Scubar> ?
[19:38] <Xbehave> BluesKaj: for a single file transfer its much easier than setting up anything complicated
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> B3zso: then go to #ubuntu please
[19:39] <BluesKaj> sebbar if you want read and write access from each computer to the other , then samba is the wat to go.
[19:39] <Scubar> :(
[19:39] <JackWinter> tvakah: and if it says Ubuntu 8.04 /n /l it's the release ?
[19:39] <B3zso> nosrednaekim samem
[19:39] <sourcemaker_> I tried to import lotus notes mails with kopete... but the only message I receive is "Cannot add message to folder LNotes-Import/sourcemaker in KMail"
[19:39] <wayneward> id say samba is easy
[19:39] <rickey> all three of the commands i have been given , return thr same anwers command not fond . kdesu, kdesudo and nano /// /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:40] <BluesKaj> samba ain't hard to setup , especially with 2 linux boxes
[19:40] <tvakah> JackWinter, yup, the /n /l is just escape sequences; that's the file that gets displayed at a text login console
[19:40] <wayneward> system settings and sharing just add samba and share away!!
[19:40] <sourcemaker_> I tried to import lotus notes mails with KONTACT... but the only message I receive is "Cannot add message to folder LNotes-Import/sourcemaker in KMail"
[19:40] <rickey> i have been very carfull
[19:40] <BluesKaj> righton wayneward :)
[19:40] <Xbehave> Your honestly trying to tell me that to transfer a single file once, samba is easier than IRC,
[19:40] <tvakah> mzanfardino, /etc/timezone I think is what you want ot know
[19:40] <rickey> the only way i can see the list is by typeing /etc/ apt/sources.list
[19:40] <JackWinter> tvakah: cool.  this was the easiest and most painless os upgrade i have ever performed...  kudos to the kubuntu devs..!
[19:41] <Dflies> what does "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999" mean.. I mean I'm trying to look to my linux hdd via livecd
[19:41] <wayneward> anyone using the kde4 remix instead of the 3.5.9 version
[19:41] <mzanfardino> tvakah: ok, thanks.  Can I simple change this file to reflect my correct timezone if it's incorrect?
[19:41] <mzanfardino> tvakah: or is it more involved?
[19:42] <tvakah> mzanfardino, don't think so, man tzselect I think is what you need to look at
[19:42] <Scubar> so does anyone know if Kubuntu 8.04 boot properly with 8800s ? or does the screen still go blank
[19:42] <mzanfardino> tvakah: thanks!
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> Scubar: by now it should work properly with 8800's... that was a gutsy bug IIRC
[19:42] <tvakah> mzanfardino, not sure if there's some friendly gui config option for it or not, too new to the ubuntu realm to tell ya that
[19:43] <Scubar> cool
[19:43] <Scubar> been hoping they would fix it in the new release
[19:43] <mzanfardino> tvakah: don't need gui, but thanks.  man tzselect refers me to what I want: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[19:43] <Xbehave> mzanfardino: if your in kde right click on the clock
[19:44] <Dflies> fuck this shit. Ima do 4th clean installation of kubuntu 7.10 :>
[19:44] <Boohbah> Dflies: why?
[19:44] <rickey> can someone give me a link where i can find kdesu commands
[19:44] <mzanfardino> Xbehave: that's only a superficial config change.  I needed to make a system-wide change, which dpkg-reconfigure tzdata achieved.  Thanks though
[19:44] <Scubar> thats the spirit Dflies
[19:44] <Scubar> :D
[19:44] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, <sebbar> hi, if I have two computers connected through a router+switch, is there an easy way to transfer files from one to the other?  After reading this question, I naturally assumed he wanted to setup filesharing and rewad and write permissions between the 2 pcs.
[19:44] <wayneward> hello anyonr using the kde4 version rather than the 3.5.9 version
[19:44] <wayneward> is it useable
[19:45] <DarkestHour> #kubuntu-kde4
[19:45] <DarkestHour> And yes, yes it is.
[19:45] <Scubar> i did try the kde4 but didnt like it all that much
[19:45] <andrew_> When I use Add/Remove Programs the ones that are not installed are greyed out.  However, if I use synaptic, I have no problem installing.  Any idea why that is?
[19:45] <tvakah> wayneward, I run it on my personal machine, but for work kde3
[19:45] <wayneward> ah ok
[19:45] <BluesKaj> anyway gotta go rake some more ...backyard awaits me...BBL
[19:45] <Scubar> its useable but its very Vista like
[19:45] <Xbehave> BluesKaj: always offer the simplest solution, if they want more theyll tell you, far to often people go straight into samba when all they need is to send 1 file
[19:45] <wayneward> my machine is personal and work
[19:45] <Dflies> Boohbah: because this isnt working. After kubuntus booting screen, my screen goes blank. Yay. I can press alt+f2 and log in and stuff, but without gui. Not cool.
[19:45] <sebbar> BluesKaj: sorry no, I basically needed something quick and dirty to send 100mb to the other pc
[19:45] <wayneward> mainly kolab server and recoring music and a few games!!
[19:45] <tvakah> wayneward, ditto, I hav eboth installed; I log out and into kde3 when I want to work
[19:46] <Xbehave> Dflies: try uninstalling compiz 1st
[19:46] <BluesKaj> BBL ...gott arake
[19:46] <Scubar> does anyone have the torrent of the new 8.04 DVD ?
[19:46] <Scubar> it doesnt seem to be on the website :|
[19:46] <wayneward> i see
[19:46] <wayneward> what is kde 4 not stable or the apps not run in kde 4?
[19:46] <rickey> where can i find kdesu commands for kubuntu 804 kde????
[19:46] <Xbehave> and reconfigure xorg.conf, unfortunatly without an internet conection i cant be anymore help
[19:46] <tvakah> wayneward, rough edges in lots of places still, but it's passable
[19:47] <tvakah> wayneward, most notably, the kdepim module isn't released in 4.0, so no Kontact or Kmail etc
[19:47] <|Toad> does anyone know if the wireless support is fixed in hardy comapred to gutsy?
[19:47] <wayneward> mmm  im downloading so ill test - if not ill just put the latest 3.5.9 back on!!
[19:47] <tvakah> wayneward, altho you can run the v3 kontact in v4
[19:47] <tvakah> wayneward, you can have both installed on same system
[19:47] <wayneward> ah can you not run kontact on kde 4.0.3
[19:48] <wayneward> ah ok
[19:48] <wayneward> so install kde 4.0.3 and can use the older kontact that will be ok
[19:48] <wayneward> as long as it talks to a kolab server.....
[19:48] <tvakah> wayneward, running the v3 kontact in v4 kde eats more memory than usuale b/c you've got two entire kde infrastructures loaded then
[19:48] <Boohbah> Dflies: just because you don't have X working doesn't mean you need to reinstall
[19:48] <Xbehave> rickey apropos sudo
[19:48] <tvakah> wayneward,  but it works
[19:48] <wayneward> yes not good i supppose
[19:49] <rickey> if i can get to the list of kdesu commads maybe i can figure my proublem out myself
[19:49] <Dflies> Ok I'll try to remove the compiz.. Can I do it from liveCD?
[19:49] <Boohbah> Dflies: it can be easily fixed
[19:49] <cham_eleon> any suggestions why my ide hdd isn't recognized under the hardy kernel? my sata hdd is successfully recognized.
[19:49] <mefisto__> kdesu commands?
[19:49] <wayneward> might just stick with kde 3.5.9 till they release proper kontact for kde 4
[19:49] <Dflies> Boohbah: Could you tell me, how :d?
[19:49] <tvakah> wayneward, I believe you acn just install the kde4 package through adept or aptitude or whatever your apt frontend of choice is
[19:49] <Boohbah> Dflies: btw what compiz are you talking about? my kubuntu doesn't have any compiz
[19:50] <Dflies> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[19:50] <Dflies> that one.
[19:50] <Xbehave> Boohbah: you can install it tho
[19:50] <wayneward> yes ill try that now..    cheers
[19:50] <Boohbah> yeah but isn't Dflies having this trouble on a new install?
[19:50] <DreadKnight> Boohbah: hardy?
[19:50] <Dflies> After new install I installed compizfusion and now it doesn't work.
[19:51] <Boohbah> DreadKnight: hardy is great
[19:51] <Boohbah> Dflies: did you have X working before you installed compiz?
[19:51] <DreadKnight> Boohbah: you can install compiz in kubuntu like you do in ubuntu :P
[19:51] <Boohbah> DreadKnight: i know
[19:52] <DreadKnight> new "desktop effects" icon ^^
[19:52] <mefisto__> doesn't kubuntu hardy come with compiz?
[19:52] <Dflies> Boohbah: Well, I was able to log in and it worked after ctrl+alt+backspace, but I didn't try rebooting without compizfusion installed.
[19:52] <DreadKnight> mefisto__: not actually, you need to click a button to have it installed from "desktop effects" gui (icon in menu)
[19:53] <mefisto__> DreadKnight: so what happens if I have it installed in gutsy and then upgrade? should I remove compiz before the upgrade?
[19:54] <Dflies> so if I now go and remove the compiz.. Does it work if I do sudo apt-get remove command?
[19:55] <DreadKnight> mefisto__: i don't think it's an issue
[19:55] <Boohbah> Dflies: make sure X works before you install compiz
[19:55] <Dflies> Ok.
[19:55] <Boohbah> Dflies: 'sudo apt-get remove compiz'
[19:56] <DreadKnight> kwin has nice effects, a Gsoc project is adding the 3d cube to it :-)
[19:56] <mefisto__> Dflies: have you tried replacing xorg.conf with backup versions?
[19:56] <Dflies> Should I remove any other compiz related? Like Compiz-kde, compizconfig-settings-manager etc..?
[19:56] <DreadKnight> Dflies: you are worrying too much :-)
[19:56] <Dflies> I am linux newbie :-D
[19:56] <Dflies> xorg.conf? No, it doesn't say a thing for me.
[19:56] <jony> can anyone help to change back to KDE 3.5 from 4.0?
[19:57] <Xbehave> Dflies: yes sudo apt-get remove compiz*
[19:57] <Dflies> Ok.
[19:57] <DreadKnight> Dflies: just upgrade, but i highly recommend using kwin (default kde window manager) rather than compiz
[19:57] <Dflies> but I want to have cube :|
[19:57] <Xbehave> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.-1
[19:58] <DreadKnight> Dflies: lol.. you'll have the cube in august when Gsoc is over :P
[19:58] <DreadKnight> Dflies: you have virtual destkops :)
[19:58] <mefisto__> Dflies: look in /etc/X11/ and see if you have backups (eg xorg.conf.20080424112640)
[19:58] <Apocalypse_dn> hi!
[19:58] <DrX> anyone know how to check if DHCP is enabled?
[19:58] <Dflies> argh.
[19:58] <mikael_> i downloaded the KDE3 torrent by mistake, any way to change to KDE4 after installing KDE3?
[19:58] <Xbehave> DreadKnight i disagree compiz is much better than kde3 and more stable than kde4
[19:58] <bfrog> man
[19:58] <Dflies> Now you are talking too difficult stuff for me.:(
[19:58] <rickey> i gress the only thing i can do is reinstall
[19:58] <bfrog> are the ubuntu servers down or something?
[19:59] <jony> how do u return to KDE3 from KDE 4?
[19:59] <bfrog> I'm on 100mbit and it seems like a 2400bps modem connection if anything is there at all
[19:59] <DrX> er, anyone know how to check if DHCP SERVER is enabled from the command line and GUI?
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Xbehave: for gnome... kwin is doing pretty good, but compiz still needs more love for kde atm...
[19:59] <bfrog> kwin4 won't need compiz...
[19:59] <Xbehave> Dflies use ls /etc/X11 and see if you see any files called xorg.conf
[19:59] <Apocalypse_dn> ERROR failed to mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for install (E:You have held broken packages.)
[19:59] <Apocalypse_dn> ^ what can i do?
[20:00] <Apocalypse_dn> it's error while upgrading
[20:00] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: have the same issues.. eh...
[20:00] <Bauldrick> rickey: just open konsole and sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list  .. dont worry about kdesu
[20:00] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, ;)
[20:00] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: konqueror has broken dependencies actually... but i switched to kde4...
[20:00] <jony> last time i tried to downgrade from KDE 4.0 to 3.5 linux went fubar :S
[20:00] <Tin> Hi everybody. Is the DVD done? The link gives me 404 error.
[20:00] <mefisto__> Dflies: in konsole, paste this: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.*          If you see anything listed, they are probably backups from before you made changes
[20:00] <excitatory> jony: considering how unstable and incomplete kde4 is, you're best to install the regular (and imho, superior) kd3 version of kubuntu, then if you want, install the kde4 packages on top and just test it from time to time and use kde3 for real work.
[20:00] <bfrog> is the server down?
[20:01] <Dflies> mefisto__: I suppose I can't do that from LiveCD?
[20:01] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, i use kde4 too
[20:01] <jony> i want to downgrade totally from KDE 4.0 which im running on right now
[20:01] <jony> is there any easy way to do it?
[20:01] <wubrgamer> is this only for support?
[20:01] <Xbehave> the 1st problem is to fix the composting problem which will break kde4 too so it doesnt matter if kde4 or compiz is better, 2ndly this is a support channel not, the aim is to help users do whatever they want not enfoce your POV over whats the best way to do it
[20:02] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, are you trying to upgrade from AltCD?
[20:02] <Xbehave> !ot
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[20:02] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: no
[20:02] <Apocalypse_dn> but i yes
[20:02] <mefisto__> Dflies: you can, but you have to make sure you have mounted the installation on your hard disk first
[20:03] <Tin> Could you paste here Kubuntu DVD torrent link, please?
[20:03] <wubrgamer> actually, i guess this is support
[20:03] <Xbehave> Dflies: you can if you mount your partition it will be under /<where its mounted>/etc/X11
[20:03] <Dflies> How can I mount it?
[20:03] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, could you paste your /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[20:03] <Apocalypse_dn> ?
[20:03] <Apocalypse_dn> maybe if we will compere it, we may find a solution ;)
[20:03] <wubrgamer> which kubuntu should I use? kde3 or kde4? but is kde4 stable enough?
[20:04] <bfrog> I'd wait for kde 4.1
[20:04] <jony> do i have to reinstall Kubuntu with KDE 3.5 or is it possible to downgrade
[20:04] <bfrog> before switching to 4
[20:04] <Tin> wubrgamer, KDE3, you can install KDE4 later
[20:04] <jony> i wouldnt recommend KDE 4
[20:04] <Xbehave> there may be an easy way of doing this, but do you know where you installed it? e.g /dev/sda1 ?
[20:04] <bfrog> 4.0 is really rough
[20:04] <Xbehave> jony install kubuntu-desktop to get 3.5.x back
[20:04] <Dflies> errr...
[20:05] <Tin> DVD torrent, anyone?
[20:05] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: ok, let's see...
[20:06] <Dflies> Xbehave: I have no idea :)
[20:06] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, http://pastebin.com/m185117e3
[20:06] <Xbehave> are there any drives on your desktop?
[20:07] <Apocalypse_dn> it's mine, but there is some automatically generated Russian insertings
[20:07] <Dflies> No, just About Kubuntu and Install
[20:07] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, i can translate it, if you want
[20:07] <Apocalypse_dn> it=them
[20:07] <Tin> well... no kubuntu DVD, then?
[20:07] <Xbehave> ok, well im not used to the GUI way of doing this so this may be abit tricky to follow, try typing fdisk into a konsole
[20:08] <Tin> I'm really sorry to bother... but I need it to the FLISOL
[20:08] <Apocalypse_dn> owh, there is symbol codes instead of letters ;)
[20:08] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, so?
[20:08] <Dflies> Xbehave: it gives usage information of fdisk command
[20:08] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: right away xD
[20:08] <lz1gjd> why cant I run adept, hw driver manager from the kmenu, desktop effects doesn't work too ? whats wrong ?
[20:09] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: do you have a LP account?
[20:09] <wubrgamer> rough as in how?
[20:09] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, LP?
[20:09] <Apocalypse_dn> What is it?
[20:09] <DreadKnight> !lp
[20:09] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[20:09] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, no
[20:09] <lz1gjd> it was supposed to be all polished. ???
[20:09] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: ah... erm..
[20:09] <bfrog> gotta love the 9kbps connection to archive.ubuntu.com through my 100mbit university connection...
[20:09] <mefisto__> Dflies: sudo fdisk -l     should list your disks
[20:09] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, why do you need it?
[20:09] <FrauHansen> Tin: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[20:09] <bfrog> that box must be hammered to death
[20:10] <bfrog> I need a reinstall anyways I suppose
[20:10] <Dflies> /dev/hda1   *           1       24036   193069138+  83  Linux
[20:10] <Dflies> /dev/hda2           24037       24792     6072570    5  Extended
[20:10] <Dflies> /dev/hda5           24037       24792     6072538+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[20:10] <Tin> thank you very much FrauHansen
[20:11] <FrauHansen> Tin: you're welcome
[20:11] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: perhaps i should report to launchpad the broken dependencies for kubuntu-desktop (mainly for konqueror) for 3.5.9
[20:11] <mefisto__> Dflies: ok it looks like /dev/hda1 is your linux install partition. you can mount it in the /mnt directory of the livecd with "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt"
[20:11] <Xbehave> right now run: sudo mkdir /media/hda1 ; sudo mkdir /media/hda2 ; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ; sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda2
[20:12] <Xbehave> go with mefisto__.s way
[20:12] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: i dont see how the log could help :|
[20:12] <Dflies> Ok Now I can access it.
[20:12] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, as for me, i can't wait long
[20:13] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: try a forced install
[20:13] <carlos_> ññññ
[20:13] <carlos_> español
[20:13] <carlos_> buenas
[20:13] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: and use firefox instead of konqueror or something..
[20:13] <Xbehave> !es
[20:13] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:13] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, i do
[20:13] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, and i don't want forced install
[20:13] <Dflies> mefisto__ Xbehave: I have it mounted and I can access it. What do I need to do now? /etc/X11/ has a file "xorg.conf"
[20:14] <Apocalypse_dn> maybe i'll install it into new partition
[20:14] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: well, then it will take time until it gets fixed for sure
[20:14] <Xbehave> ls /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[20:14] <mefisto__> Dflies: did you mount it at /mnt or /media/hda1 ??
[20:14] <Apocalypse_dn> DreadKnight, my hands - my help
[20:15] <Dflies> mefisto__: I typed sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[20:15] <Dflies> :p
[20:15] <Apocalypse_dn> i'll try to install by myself
[20:15] <DreadKnight> Apocalypse_dn: nothing much you can do besides bug reporting on launchpad if you aren't a MOTU yourself xD
[20:15] <mefisto__> Dflies: what Xbehave said, ls /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[20:15] <DreadKnight> other than a forced install
[20:15] <Apocalypse_dn> ;)
[20:16] <jony> Okay i've installed the desktop package how do i remove KDE 4 and run KDe 3.5 instead?
[20:16] <Dflies> Ok I typed that command.. It gives this back: /mnt/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:17] <alxju> remove kke4-core & kdm-kde4 (or all package containing "kde4")
[20:17] <DreadKnight> jony: the hard way... removing packages manually... you could aim for some main libraries and have the most autoremoved..
[20:18] <DreadKnight> alxju: cool, do you know the other way around too? i mean i want to get rid of the "extra" packages from 3.5 that are not needed with kde4
[20:18] <excitatory> i was reading about this Zen kernel on the forums and ubuntu wiki..it sounds really good, especially since I'm the experimental type.. however, I was just wondering if this is worth it or even a good idea compared to the newly released hardy kernel?
[20:19] <mefisto__> Dflies: ok, looks like you don't have any old xorg.conf backups
[20:19] <Dflies> ok.. So I'll just delete compiz now?
[20:19] <DreadKnight> Dflies: just do it!
[20:19] <Dflies> ok :---D
[20:19] <DreadKnight> :-)
[20:19] <Dflies> but.. How can I do it from livecd? :-D
[20:19] <DreadKnight> Dflies: lol?
[20:19] <skreech_> excitatory: Try it if you don't like it reboot and choose a vanilla kernel
[20:20] <Dflies> DreadKnight: laughing out loud. yes.
[20:20] <skreech_> Hi DreadKnight
[20:20] <DreadKnight> Dflies: you remove it from you actuall instalation man, you can't edit the live cd xD
[20:20] <alxju> DreadKnight: i dont understand.. i think ths are not probleme between 3.5 & 4 (no depedencies..)
[20:20] <DreadKnight> skreech_: hello :-)
[20:20] <Xbehave> Dflies:  its easier to do from command line, otherwise things get compliacted
[20:20] <Dflies> Ok.
[20:21] <DreadKnight> alxju: i mean like i would install a fresh kubuntu hardy kde4 final from the cd :P
[20:21] <Xbehave> DreadKnight: you can unistall stuff from the instalation from the live CD tho
[20:21] <Dflies> ok I'll go do it now @_@
[20:21] <Xbehave> Dflies: basically right down the command to remove compiz
[20:21] <Dflies> Ok
[20:21] <Dflies> ->
[20:21] <alxju> DreadKnight: so upgrade all
[20:21] <mefisto__> Dflies: might be easier if you can boot from hard disk. try the recovery mode boot option then when you get to a terminal prompt, "apt-get remove compiz*"
[20:22] <alxju> DreadKnight: you can remove ppa.launchpad repositories (now kde4 is included in official kubuntu's rositories)
[20:22] <DreadKnight> alxju: yes... i am using hardy for quite a while actually
[20:23] <DreadKnight> skreech_: how's it going? :-)
[20:23] <lz1gjd> i have two sound cards, can you tell me how select particular one of them to be the default one ?
[20:23] <alxju> (but i think is not a very good idea using kde4 full time now.. they miss a lot of apps)
[20:23] <ctw> Hi! I'm on a Kubuntu box trying to remotely connect to a Sun box. I'm running xhost +; ssh -X username@hostname; export DISPLAY=myIP:0, but I always get the following error message when trying to start an X application: XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: myIP:0 (Server package)
[20:23] <alxju> (waiting for kde 4.1.0
[20:23] <ctw> does anybody have an idea how to fix it
[20:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i run KDE4 full time, its pretty good
[20:24] <ctw> the same sequence of commands runs fine from a Mac and an (old) Mandriva box
[20:24] <alxju> ..so why not if you like that ;)
[20:24] <DreadKnight> Xbehave: i don't really get that... use adept_manager or konsole to uninstall the stuff... not sure why livecd is involved into this
[20:24] <ctw> I did some googling, but none of the proposed "fixes" worked
[20:24] <chronos> I'm trying to find the netmini ISO of hardy so I can install it on my PPC mac. Where's it at?
[20:24] <DreadKnight> Admiral_Chicago: me too, but i think it's slugish and unstalbe xD vista..
[20:24] <skreech_> DreadKnight: Pertty cool trying to get 4.1 and Kobby going
[20:24] <Xbehave> he cant get to a the system to boot properlym hence the problem
[20:24] <aaroncampbell> Dist Upgrade is very slow right now...  I'm assuming servers are just getting pounded?
[20:25] <alxju> (kde is now on 4.0.3) not 4.1 ..
[20:25] <DreadKnight> skreech_: as in you want to compile 4.1 from trunk? xD
[20:25] <jtisme> what program creates /usr/dict/words if you dont have one
[20:25] <skreech_> DreadKnight: Shouldn't need to Alpha packages come out next week
[20:25] <aaroncampbell> I'm only getting about 22k...although it HAS spiked to over 100 few short intervals
[20:25] <skreech_> then we start the regular releases till June :-D
[20:25] <DreadKnight> :)
[20:26] <skreech_> hi gnomefre1k
[20:26] <HunterSThompson> what do I need to do to upgrade from rc to final?
[20:26] <skreech_> HunterSThompson: Is it installed ?
[20:26] <DreadKnight> HunterSThompson: just do normal upgrades
[20:27] <skreech_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should srt you out
[20:27] <HunterSThompson> rc is installed but normal upgrade shows no updates available
[20:27] <DreadKnight> HunterSThompson: same here, i guess we both have final :P
[20:27] <HunterSThompson> guess so
[20:27] <Dfizzle> Thanks!
[20:27] <Dfizzle> It works
[20:28] <skreech_> HunterSThompson: Should have a t least one to switch the outout of lsb_release -a to Final instead of Developement Branch
[20:28] <Dfizzle> but.. without compizfusion </3
[20:28] <HunterSThompson> though how I got it before the official release I have no clue
[20:28] <savetheWorld> DrX: look in /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient-eth1.leases or /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient-eth0.leases   depending on which interface you want to know
[20:28] <Dfizzle> Is there any way I can get the cube with some stable way?
[20:28] <skreech_> HunterSThompson: Run lsb_release -a
[20:28] <DreadKnight> damn cubes xD
[20:29] <Dfizzle> >_> its fancy
[20:29] <DreadKnight> :D
[20:29] <Dfizzle> btw I'm Dflies :p
[20:29] <HunterSThompson> no LSB modules are available
[20:29] <Ahmuck> hi. in ff3, is there a way to prevent the http entry bar from showing a drop down list of bookmarks.  that's annoying
[20:29] <DreadKnight> Ahmuck: that feature is kick-ass
[20:30] <bibstha> !beta
[20:30] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:30] <bibstha> pretty silent
[20:30] <bibstha> if i were to upgrade from beta?
[20:30] <MKdx> hello,
[20:30] <MKdx> just to confirm .. was this implemented in 8.04: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome ?
[20:30] <Ahmuck> i've got the final release bibstha
[20:31] <bibstha> Ahmuck: me too :D
[20:31] <bibstha> but i had beta installed
[20:31] <bibstha> so ..
[20:31] <Ahmuck> ah, yes, i think i am going to do a redo
[20:31] <bibstha> Ahmuck: how come?
[20:31] <bibstha> hows the beta?
[20:31] <bibstha> Ahmuck: i mean hows the final?
[20:32] <Ahmuck> well, i'm not sure if it's me or what.  i've had to adjust fonts quite a bit
[20:32] <bibstha> aah
[20:32] <HunterSThompson> I guess I just figured there would be more than 0 updates after the final release
[20:32] <bibstha> weird in beta, i had 800x640 in kdm and 1024x768 after login
[20:33] <TheGateKeeper> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu  <<< does that upgrade path work from 6.06?
[20:33] <DreadKnight> skreech_: kobby is part of gsoc ?
[20:33] <gopp> hey any got dual monitor to work in ubuntu
[20:36] <tzanger> I realize this channel's probably flooded with people asking about hte downloads, I just have a quick question regarding LTS vs. KDE4 remix
[20:36] <tzanger> I'm running 7.10 right now, if I upgrade to 8.04 it'll be LTS; is there any way to test out kde4 without completely breaking the normal kde3.5?
[20:37] <flipstar> tzanger: kubuntu is no lts relese..only ubuntu
[20:37] <flipstar> and yes..kde4 installation is beside kde3..so no risk there
[20:37] <DreadKnight> tzanger: you can have both DE's at the same time
[20:37] <blueyed> tzanger: you can install kde3 and kde4 together
[20:38] <elliott_> kmix and amarok randomy started popping up on startup when i upgraded to hardy, how do I stop it?
[20:38] <tzanger> flipstar: ahh, kubuntu's at 6.06.1 for lts ok
[20:38] <ckpro> hey
[20:38] <tzanger> DreadKnight / blueyed how does one accomplish this?
[20:38] <ckpro> anyone know how to change monitor type and card type on ubn ?
[20:39] <gopp> were is the graphic card option in ubuntu
[20:39] <blueyed> tzanger: Install kde4-core IIRC
[20:39] <DreadKnight> tzanger: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[20:39] <elliott_> also, In gutsy, my env variables were included in root when I used sudo, but they're not in hardy, and it's causing problems with stuff that i've made to trly on it hapening. what can I do?
[20:39] <flipstar> tzanger: just install kde4 and than yo can select it from kdm
[20:39] <Alumin> is it possible to set a user-defined mirror for the main package source in Adept?
[20:39] <tzanger> ahhh
[20:39] <dany_21a> uff.. now from the first version of kubuntu i always had following problem, hoped hardy will fix it: nada... Problem: http://f.666kb.com/i/ay34uvgt3j4o8yn14.png  - the icons left to the clock sometimes leave gaps... there is no transparent icon or so... if i click on it nothing happends and right-klick acts, as i had rightclicked onto the kicker
[20:39] <DreadKnight> tzanger: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop   -- best way trust me :P
[20:39] <ckpro> where do I goto change my monitor type and graphic card type ?
[20:39] <tzanger> DreadKnight: ok :-)
[20:39] <Alumin> right now all I have is a pre-defined list of mirrors in a tree, but we have a local mirror here
[20:39] <dany_21a> Is there a bug in launchpad or so?
[20:40] <ckpro> hey..
[20:40] <ckpro> can someone help me
[20:40] <tzanger> DreadKnight: hmm, says it can't find the package
[20:40] <flipstar> ckpro: you probably need to install driver's
[20:40] <elliott_> with what?
[20:40] <ckpro> No lol
[20:40] <ckpro> I got into it
[20:40] <DreadKnight> tzanger: ok, hold on a sec to verify the name
[20:40] <ckpro> I can't now..
[20:41] <DreadKnight> tzanger: you must have hardy
[20:41] <tzanger> DreadKnight: ah
[20:41] <tzanger> so dist-upgrade first
[20:41] <ckpro> when I ctrl + alt + backspace..it saide color was too low, and gave me options to config.. <-- I want to get to taht option page... so
[20:41] <DreadKnight> tzanger: then install kde4 DE
[20:41] <skreech_> DreadKnight: Yep :-)
[20:41] <flipstar> tzanger: for gutsy there are extra repo's
[20:41] <DreadKnight> skreech_: :-)
[20:42] <DreadKnight> flipstar tzanger no need for PPAs no more, he wants to upgrade distro
[20:42] <PhilRod> !ppa
[20:42] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[20:42] <DreadKnight> kde4 is in hardy official repository
[20:43] <dystopianray> kubuntu 8.04 is the best release yet, much less buggy than 7.10
[20:43] <Eruaran> sounds good
[20:43] <gopp> were is the graphic card option in ubuntu??? I don't see it
[20:43] <tadzik_> gopp: what do you mean?
[20:44] <DreadKnight> dystopianray: just the kde3 one xD
[20:44] <dystopianray> DreadKnight: oh yeah, i haven't touched kde4
[20:44] <Eruaran> Has anyone tried the KDE4 CD yet ?
[20:44] <Nookie> Riddell: it's nice to see that you have used my picture =)
[20:44] <DreadKnight> dystopianray: kde4 will rule at 8.10 release
[20:44] <dany_21a> has anyone else the same problem: http://f.666kb.com/i/ay34uvgt3j4o8yn14.png  (icons leaving gaps)
[20:44] <dystopianray> DreadKnight: i'll probably wait until 9.04 or beyond for kde4
[20:44] <Joeseph> Alright, I guess I'm a bit confused but.....   If I originally installed ubuntu, with gnome, then installed the kdm later, does that mean I'm running ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:45] <DreadKnight> dystopianray: that's my problem... too much bleeding edge.. :-\
[20:45] <tadzik_> Joeseph: kubuntu is just ubuntu -gnome + kde
[20:45] <flipstar> dany_21a: i get a 403 on that link
[20:45] <dystopianray> dany_21a: i also get a 403 on it
[20:45] <Joeseph> tadzik: so kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde?  so I have kubuntu then, alrighty
[20:46] <Alumin> Joeseph: it's the same thing, really, although the Kubuntu team does make some modifications to KDE that I think might not be reflected in Ubuntu's KDE packages
[20:46] <dany_21a> flipstar: dystopianray ... oh thx... http://666kb.com/i/ay34uvgt3j4o8yn14.png
[20:46] <Joeseph> Alumin: thanks for the clarification
[20:46] <Eruaran> I've gone for the kde4 download... I hope it turns out well... otherwise I'll have to download the 3.5 one as well :P
[20:46] <tadzik_> Alumin: it is, if you'll install kubuntu-desktop with apt
[20:46] <Alumin> yeah, like the menu layout in Konqueror is different
[20:46] <dany_21a> (again... corr. link) has anyone else the same problem: http://666kb.com/i/ay34uvgt3j4o8yn14.png (icons leaving gaps)
[20:46] <Alumin> but I've never installed Ubuntu and added kde-desktop so I'm not sure
[20:46] <tadzik_> i prefer dolphin
[20:47] <flipstar> dany_21a: yes..i sometimes have the same prob..
[20:47] <Riddell> Nookie: thanks for that
[20:47] <DreadKnight> dany_21a: had that same issue.. now i have no gaps, but i have the icons on a single line, which sucks
[20:47] <tadzik_> i use Gentoo actually :)
[20:47] <Alumin> dolphin is OK, but Krusader's where it's at
[20:47] <Joeseph> Alumin: That's what I did... seems to be doing fine
[20:47] <Nookie> Riddell: u're welcome =)
[20:47] <dany_21a> DreadKnight: depends on the hight of the kicker... with >53px i get two lines
[20:47] <dystopianray> i can't stand dolphin, setting konqueror as the default is one of the first things I do
[20:47] <tadzik_> dystopianray: isnt it by default anyway?
[20:47] <DreadKnight> dany_21a: i have it the ... default size xD
[20:48] <dany_21a> flipstar: i _always_ have it.. mostly when pidgin starts/ends
[20:48] <dystopianray> tadzik_: no, dolphin is the default filemanager
[20:48] <tadzik_> wow
[20:48] <flipstar> dystopianray: same here :)
[20:48] <Hybrid> i've just installed Compiz fusion but it seems like i've missed some package, because in the compizconfig settings manager there are no icons
[20:48] <yago> does anyone have problem to upgrade over Cd?, I can not use kdesu
[20:48] <Hybrid> where do i find that last missing package?
[20:48] <spiroo> Awesome. Adept cannot fetch updates anymore. Does sombody recognize?
[20:48] <tadzik_> spiroo: why?
[20:49] <tadzik_> give us some error message
[20:49] <spiroo> I do not know.
[20:49] <tadzik_> god...
[20:49] <spiroo> There is none
[20:49] <flipstar> dany_21a: hm i have it very rare and never two emtpy fields..
[20:49] <ckpro> can someone tell me how to change my monitor type (or how to reduce my color depth to 16 ) ??
[20:49] <tadzik_> what happens actually?
[20:49] <Joeseph> I just used the gnome generic uprgade center to upgrade: will that upgrade kde too? or are they two different things?
[20:49] <flipstar> dany_21a: maybe play with size or so
[20:49] <tadzik_> ckpro: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:49] <ckpro> then >
[20:49] <spiroo> The problem is that it does not download any updates any more since I updated adept yesterday :(
[20:50] <Eimann> hi
[20:50] <dany_21a> flipstar: the same combination of programs sometimes too line up (in two lines) and sometimes they leave gaps...
[20:50] <dystopianray> spiroo: the servers are being hammered, it is release day, thousands of people are trying to use them
[20:50] <tadzik_> spiroo: tried with console ones alredy?
[20:50] <spiroo> haha okay :D
[20:50] <spiroo> yes of corse i have tadzik ;)
[20:50] <spiroo> *course
[20:50] <tadzik_> spiroo: and no error message?
[20:50] <spiroo> I changed server to the swedish one, now it works.
[20:50] <flipstar> tadzik_: thats no error :)
[20:50] <dany_21a> flipstar:  if i "unlock" it and "lock" again it fits...
[20:51] <flipstar> its's server protection from ddos or so
[20:51] <spiroo> tadzik: Nope, no error. The problem as you said is that server is overloaded
[20:51] <Joeseph> If I upgrade in one desktop enviroment, will it upgrade all of them? Or do the updates even have anything to do with desktop enviroments?
[20:51] <Alumin> does anybody know where Adept gets its list of mirrors?  I can't find it on disk anywhere
[20:52] <dystopianray> Alumin: /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:52] <skreech_> HunterSThompson: something sounds wrong
[20:52] <Alumin> dystopianray: no, I mean the list of mirrors that you choose one from in "manage repositories"
[20:52] <dystopianray> Joeseph: it will upgrade the entire ubuntu system, the choice of DE is irrelevant
[20:52] <Joeseph> dystopianray: so that means the updates don't necisarily update any DEs?
[20:53] <ckpro> how do I lowere by color depth using xorg.config ?
[20:53] <skreech_> !kde4
[20:53] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:53] <Alumin> the DE will update along with the rest of the system
[20:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> Alumin: that is the list. Adept uses the Apt sources
[20:53] <Joeseph> Alumin: thanks, that is what I wanted to know
[20:53] <dystopianray> Joeseph: any package with an update available will be updated regardless of what DE you are using
[20:53] <ckpro> how do I lowere by color depth using xorg.config ?
[20:53] <Alumin> I'm not phrasing the question correctly I guess
[20:54] <Alumin> ok, you run Adept, right...and you get to pick your primary mirror from a list
[20:54] <Joeseph> dystopianray: alright, that's good to know... thanks.... now for those last three files to download......
[20:54] <yago> does anyone know how to install overr Cd rom?
[20:54] <Alumin> where does that list come from?
[20:54] <dystopianray> Alumin: i'm not sure about that list
[20:55] <Alumin> I mean, it's not really that big of a deal, I'm already managing my sources manually by editing files in sources.list.d
[20:55] <skreech_> DreadKnight: 9.04 :-)
[20:55] <Alumin> I just thought it'd be fun to do it The Kubuntu Way(tm)
[20:55] <DreadKnight> yago: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[20:55] <spiroo> Is it possible anywhere to download kubuntu? Servers is to overloaded everywhere.
[20:55] <dystopianray> spiroo: the torrents should work
[20:55] <DreadKnight> spiroo: torrent
[20:56] <DreadKnight> skreech_: jardy jynx? xD
[20:56] <spiroo> Where to find the torrents then?
[20:56] <dystopianray> i'm glad i downloaded kubuntu yesterday, i beat the rush and it turned out to be identical to the final iso
[20:56] <Flare183> On Kubuntu, when I go and try to upgrade to hardy the button "Version Upgrade" Does not show up, even after I click Fetch updates What should I do?
[20:57] <Flare183> nevermind
[20:57] <Eimann> Does anyone of you have a contact from the Kubuntu Guys? They have some KDE4 Remix CD which is unavailable ... wanted to mirror it too, but don't know who can place an additional download link on the website
[20:57] <skreech_> dystopianray: you will Love dolphin in KDE4 :-)
[20:57] <dystopianray> skreech_: why?
[20:57] <dystopianray> skreech_: does it have tree view?
[20:59] <skreech_> DreadKnight: Jumping Jackalope :-)
[21:00] <skreech_> dystopianray: Yes
[21:00] <skreech_> and tags
[21:00] <DreadKnight> skreech_: hmm nice
[21:00] <DreadKnight> :D
[21:00] <Joeseph> During the update, I failed to get two files: is it my end or your end?
[21:00] <skreech_> Joeseph: Servers are being killed
[21:00] <dystopianray> skreech_: tags?
[21:00] <skreech_>  I've been downloading one file for near an hour now :)
[21:00] <skreech_> dystopianray: Do you read truegs blog?
[21:00] <desirix> Servers are down :)
[21:01] <rickey> hey guys i need little help
[21:01] <dystopianray> skreech_: i subscribe to planet kde but don't read every blog
[21:01] <rickey>  i cant see the user list
[21:01] <Alumin> man...if it were up to me, it'd be BitTorrent only for like the first two days
[21:01] <rickey> how do i fix that
[21:01] <skreech_> dystopianray: Check truegs last 4 or 5 blog entries
[21:01] <rickey> i am in xchat
[21:01] <skreech_> Really really cool stuff
[21:01] <Joeseph> skreecH: Thanks, I'll just upgrade tomorow: oops, I didn't mean your end..... I meant.... well, you know
[21:01] <Alumin> at least to the general public...probably a private server for people with paid support
[21:01] <skreech_> Joeseph: I normally update like a week before or a week after
[21:01] <skreech_>  On the day is just razy
[21:02] <skreech_>  never sure why people neeeeed to have it that day :-)
[21:02] <Alumin> although with that big of a swarm, BT probably blows the doors off any direct download anyway
[21:02] <skreech_> Alumin: After a few hours
[21:02] <skreech_>  for the first few hours the inital seeds constrain the cloud
[21:02] <DreadKnight> Alumin: blizzard uses torrent for providing patches/updates for WoW
[21:02] <Alumin> yeah
[21:04] <Joeseph> skreech_: when is a reasonable amount of time to wait before I update again?
[21:05] <Joeseph> Is there an estimate for the number of ubuntu systems out there?
[21:05] <skreech_> Joeseph: 2 days should have it sorted out
[21:05] <rickey> dose anyone know how to get the user list on the rigth to show up
[21:05] <skreech_> Joeseph: near a million I would guess
[21:05] <rickey>  i am in xchat
[21:05] <DreadKnight> Joeseph: i heard it's nearly closed to infinite :-)
[21:05] <Joeseph> skreech_: alright, I might try again tonight though
[21:05] <Alumin> ok, we'll solve this problem the old-fasioned way
[21:05] <skreech_> Joeseph: sure :-)
[21:05] <elliott_> In gutsy, my env variables were included in root when I used sudo, but they're not in hardy, and it's causing problems with stuff that i've made to trly on it hapening. what can I do?
[21:05] <Alumin> grep -rE 'hosteurope\.de' /usr
[21:05] <Alumin> heh.
[21:06] <skreech_> Joeseph: Just try again any time you feel the need to shine like a Heron in the sun :-D
[21:06] <cham_eleon> My IDE hard disk is not recognized by the hardy kernel, i tried several things now, but don't get it working
[21:06] <skreech_> elliott_: try sudo \su
[21:06] <cham_eleon> my sata devices are recognized without any problems.. but the only ide disk..
[21:06] <Joeseph> skreech_: alright... hahaha, so to get this straight (my first update) kde 4 will come with this update?
[21:06] <skreech_> Joeseph: do You have KDE4 now?
[21:06] <elliott_> cham_eleon: can non-hardy OSes see it/mount it?
[21:07] <cham_eleon> elliott_: yes.
[21:07] <cham_eleon> elliott_: with gutsy, everything is fine
[21:07] <Joeseph> skreech_: I don't think so.....     I used sudo apt-get kde-desktop or something like that, like a week ago (and got hooked to kde)
[21:07] <DreadKnight> Joeseph: you need to install that manually.. you will have both kde3 and kde4 at the same time
[21:07] <tadzik_> looks like matter with new kernel
[21:07] <skreech_> Joeseph: Then no.
[21:07] <cham_eleon> i know that the device should be now /dev/sd* but there is only my sata hard disk recognized... no /dev/sdb
[21:07] <skreech_> Joeseph: If you lllike new stuff try KDE4 but it's still rough right now
[21:08] <tadzik_> cham_eleon: looked to fdisk -l alredy?
[21:08] <cham_eleon> tadzik_: yes, nothing there only the sata devices
[21:08] <tadzik_> how cruel
[21:08] <elliott_> skreech_: yeah, when i do that, the env variables for my regular account don't follow, but they used to
[21:08] <cham_eleon> tadzik_: indeed :)
[21:09] <ian^> Hi! I'm trying to upgrade according how it is described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu, but the "Distribution Upgrade dialog " does not appear.
[21:09] <ian^> Is there any way to start it manually?
[21:09] <Joeseph> skreech_: alright, I'll just wait then...  hmmmmmmm  I assume there is a guide of some sort to tell me how to install kde4 online, but for now, I am just gonna wait
[21:09] <tadzik_> cham_eleon: ian^ upgrade with "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[21:09] <tadzik_> ian^: ^^
[21:09] <DrX> What might be causing a green screen and pointer only for the GUI at startup (command line login OK) and what can be done about it?  Is that normal?
[21:09] <tadzik_> cham_eleon: sorry :)
[21:09] <Hybrid> where do i add more desktops to a the cube effect?
[21:09] <ian^> And does anybody have an idea what could be the reason? I remember I had the same problem when upgrading to gutsy
[21:09] <tadzik_> Hybrid: use compiz
[21:10] <Hybrid> i have it right infront of me
[21:10] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: try "dmesg | grep -i error"
[21:10] <Hybrid> but i cant find the option
[21:10] <tadzik_> Hybrid: its called desktop cube or sth
[21:10] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: (or other words than error)
[21:10] <tadzik_> :)
[21:10] <wayneward_>  i thought hardy heron was getting pulse audio for default sound system
[21:10] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: only something with ACPI
[21:10] <ian^> tadzik_: Thats not the same... isn't it? It does not remove all unneeded packages, doesnt install completly new etc...
[21:11] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: /DSDT.aml not found
[21:11] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: and also try "sudo fdisk -l"
[21:11] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i made this as root :)
[21:11] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: np
[21:11] <tadzik_> ian^: well, ive done this when upgrading 7.04->7.10 and it worked
[21:11] <Hybrid> yeah i've found the options but i cant change how many desktops i want to have
[21:11] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: only the sata devices are listed there..
[21:11] <tadzik_> ian^: ya can try changing repos for those for 8.04, but im not sure if it works :p
[21:11] <tadzik_> ask some ubuntu user maybe xP
[21:12] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: ouch... than find out what sata controler you have (lspci) and ask googe :/ sry...
[21:12] <travioso> anyone know if ipw2200/rtap works in Hardy?
[21:12] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: I get a "SRST failed (errno=-16)" with "ata7"
[21:12] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: the sata related things are working, but not the ide things
[21:12] <tadzik_> travioso: ya mean canon ip2200?
[21:12] <travioso> no..  wireless card..
[21:12] <tadzik_> aw, sorry then :)
[21:12] <travioso> np
[21:13] <dystopianray> travioso: it should, try it out with kismet or something
[21:13] <dystopianray> travioso: i actually have a ipw2200 card in my laptop, i'll have to try kismet at some point
[21:13] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: oh.. sata is and ide is not working... always had it the other way round :)
[21:13] <travioso> i'm on 7.10 now, didn't want to upgrade until i know..
[21:13] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: yes correct. sata works (only a hdd and a cdrw) but my only ide drive is not recognized any more :(
[21:14] <rickey> is the kubuntu download severs back up yet?
[21:14] <travioso> i tried on rc1 but rtap has issues with 2.6.24 kernel and being and all 0 mac address..
[21:14] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: maybe you can change the mode of the ide/sata controller... i always have ther some different options
[21:14] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: ...in the bios
[21:14] <ct|kyle> does kubuntu Hardy support Dell blue tooth mouse and keyboards?
[21:14] <dystopianray> travioso: all 0 mac address?
[21:15] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i tried that too... i'm working on this issue for hours now..
[21:15] <rickey> dose anyone know if the severs are up again
[21:15] <dystopianray> rickey: try them out and see
[21:15] <cham_eleon> there are some bugs in launchpad, but no solutions for me
[21:16] <mefisto__> hardy upgrade crashed, now I can't sudo. Any suggestions?
[21:16] <rickey> i am not in kubuntu rigth now
[21:16] <rickey>  i came over here to puppy so i could find out
[21:17] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: ...hmm the above error may be a hint (SRST failed (errno=-16)) - try to extend grep with "-A3 -B3"
[21:17] <pascalFR> mefisto__:  what does sudo say ?
[21:17] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: and google the error string
[21:17] <keylocker> hello everybody
[21:17] <spiroo> haha, this channel is overfloaded :D
[21:17] <rickey> do you meqan you can get into apt manager?
[21:17] <travioso> dystopianray:  just meant for listening..  i read that the 00:00:00:00:00:00 mac address was what was causing issues with the kernel
[21:17] <mefisto__> pascalFR: can not resolve host
[21:17] <keylocker> someone can tellme how stable is 8.04 kde4 remix?
[21:17] <spiroo> Dept works, but it takes time
[21:17] <rickey> i gave up and reinstalled
[21:17] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i googled for it but everything was not a solution for me right now
[21:18] <pascalFR> mefisto__:   juste try    sudo -i    <enter>
[21:18] <rickey>  but the severs went dwon
[21:18] <rickey>  so i got to do it over again
[21:18] <dystopianray> woah the wine repos for hardy are already up
[21:19] <mefisto__> pascalFR: same error
[21:19] <spiroo> KDE4 is just a mess :(
[21:19] <vito_> inviti compleanni high school musical
[21:19] <rickey> yea it is rigth now
[21:20] <rickey>  but i like it,s looks
[21:20] <robd> Hey guys
[21:20] <BluesKaj> I'm a bit confused about symbolic links ..for some reason I need permission to launch an application (google earth) to open it totally. What the best way to make a link on the desktop without having to do the run command thing every time .
[21:20] <robd> I'm having an issue downloading from us.archive.ubuntu.com. Are there other mirrors I could use?
[21:20] <pascalFR> mefisto__: kdesudo adept_manager  still working ?
[21:21] <rickey> robd did it stop working
[21:21] <robd> Strangely I'm on a 10mbit line, but my connection to the us.archive box just sucks (45k/sec)
[21:21] <robd> rickey: It's just always been terrible
[21:21] <dystopianray> robd: subtitute us for a differnet country code and try again
[21:21] <robd> cool
[21:21] <rickey> i lost a download update
[21:22] <mefisto__> pascalFR: no, I can't get root access in any way, kdesu, kdesudo, sudo
[21:22] <rickey>  noe got to do it all agian i am afared
[21:22] <pascalFR> mefisto__: and you dont have any shell still in root  somewhere ?
[21:22] <rickey> i am sorry , a install download update
[21:23] <rickey> he he he he
[21:23] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: do you know which kernelmodule is responsible for your pata controller?
[21:23] <mefisto__> pascalFR: no, but as I said, upgrade crashed (which obviously had root access)
[21:23] <pascalFR> mefisto__: i am afraid you have to reboot in maintenance mode  (if it still works ...) then apt-get update   ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:24] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: not really, i have an asus p5n3
[21:24] <rickey> i am going to try it again ans see if i can smock my computer this time  ,he he he
[21:24] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i can try to get this information
[21:24] <mefisto__> pascalFR: that's what I thought, but I'm dreading it. upgrade got half way before it crashed
[21:24] <spiroo> Is it possible to check current using ubuntu version?
[21:24] <robd> dystopianray: Awesome, thanks
[21:24] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: try to find out (lspci and google will help) and than "sudo modprobe <modul>" and watch dmesg
[21:24] <pascalFR> spiroo: cat /proc/version
[21:25] <spiroo> thank you pascal
[21:25] <yuuki_> Hi, just installed a fresh hardy kubuntu. Epiphany doesn't work saying "could not start gnome web browser, startup failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session. Anyone know why ?
[21:25] <robd> dystopianray: Just wondering, why don't they have a generic mirror dns that would find the fastest server and direct you to that ip?
[21:25] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: in lspci "IDE interface" should be correct or?
[21:25] <flipstar> got trouble's with headphones and intelhda..where to start .. ?
[21:25] <Alumin> success!
[21:25] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: guess so, if you just have one (controller)
[21:25] <Alumin> three cheers for massive system-wide recursive grepping
[21:25] <pascalFR> mefisto__: yeah it is unpredictable whether you will be able to get a maintenance shell
[21:25] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: only one - yes
[21:26] <Alumin> /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.mirrors
[21:26] <Alumin> that's where Adept gets its mirror list from :)
[21:26] <spiroo> What does this line tell me about current version? "Linux version 2.6.24-16-generic (buildd@yellow) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 12:47:45 UTC 2008"
[21:26] <robd> Alumin: okay... so why doesn't it ping each mirror and then go with the fastest one?
[21:26] <Alumin> spiroo: the best way I've found to determine your Ubuntu version is to look at sources.list
[21:27] <spiroo> Alumin: How do I do that? I wantto check if I have beta or final release of Hardy. I updated yesterday, and guess I got the ones from final :D
[21:28] <ct|kyle> ﻿does kubuntu Hardy support Dell blue tooth mouse and keyboards?
[21:28] <Alumin> robd: there's a button for that...but our local mirror isn't in the list
[21:28] <pascalFR> spiroo: cat /etc/issue
[21:28] <Alumin> spiroo: does your sources.list have hardy sources in it?
[21:29] <Alumin> oh, it is in /etc/issue
[21:29] <robd> Alumin: Oh, where's the button?
[21:29] <juan_> I just installed Kubuntu ... is firefox not included in this release?
[21:29] <Alumin> Ubuntu needs its own /etc/debian_version equivalent
[21:29] <Alumin> juan_: not by default
[21:29] <robd> Alumin: I'm from the FreeBSD world so I'm not used to GUI's by default
[21:29] <Odd-rationale> How do I choose my video drivers, resolution, etc? I looked in the xorg file. I don't understand "Configured Video Device"... :?
[21:30] <Alumin> the default web browser is Konqueror
[21:30] <juan_> Ok ... I'm trying to add it via Adept Installer, but it's not finding "firefox"
[21:30] <juan_> Konqueror is pretty but I prefer FF ...
[21:30] <Alumin> robd: well, the backend for that button is the apt-mirror script
[21:30] <robd> Alumin: ok
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> Sorry. wrong channel...
[21:30] <Alumin> juan_: maybe they changed to iceweasel?
[21:30] <juan_> What do you mean?
[21:30] <pascalFR> spiroo:   the officiel command is          lsb_release -a
[21:30] <spiroo> Alumin: I am not sure if it is hardy sources
[21:31] <Alumin> due to licensing issues, some distributions (like Debian) are using the name iceweasel
[21:31] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i think it's pata_amd
[21:31] <Alumin> firefox is iceweasel, thunderbird is icedove
[21:31] <juan_> er
[21:31] <Alumin> I'm not kidding :p
[21:31] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: i get a "port is slow" warning, after that the above mentioned error, than "port disabled, ignoring"
[21:31] <spiroo> pascalIFR: Does only say that I have 8.04 and hardy not if it is final or beta :D
[21:31] <winterelf> hi people... got a wierd problam... trying to "apt-get install" and it stacks on "connecting to ubuntu.... "
[21:31] <Alumin> that, or your search is just failing for some other reason
[21:32] <juan_> Ah christ ... I just made the jump from Ubuntu to Kubuntu ... it's not looking as easy to use
[21:32] <BonesolTeraDyne> Alumin: Don't forget SeaMonkey being renamed to IceApe
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> Only debian is doing the renaming thing, right?
[21:32] <juan_> yeah, doing a search for "iceweasel" turns up nothing.
[21:32] <Alumin> oh yah, that too
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> and hence ubuntu.
[21:32] <Alumin> is it just Debian?  not sure
[21:32] <BonesolTeraDyne> Odd-rationale: IceWeasel and company is is the ubuntu reops
[21:32] <pascalFR> spiroo:  I think it is written   in /etc/issue during beta rc...
[21:33] <winterelf> some 1?
[21:33] <pascalFR> anyway any upgrade from today  is  final ... :)
[21:33] <BonesolTeraDyne> Odd-rationale: but you're right, Ubuntu isn't shoving the renameing down it's users throats
[21:33] <juan_> What's up with this
[21:33] <spiroo> pascalFR: Nope, sorry
[21:33] <juan_> Neither firefox nor "iceweasel" are found in Adept.
[21:34] <Odd-rationale> wasn't it about something with debian having trouble with the names?
[21:34] <pirats> hello
[21:34] <juan_> Is there any reason why Ubuntu comes with FF, but not Kubuntu?
[21:34] <JoshOvki> juan_: you using hardy or gutsy?
[21:34] <dystopianray> juan_: kubuntu comes with konqueror
[21:34] <juan_> Hardy, Josh
[21:34] <juan_> Just downloaded it now ... and not kde 4
[21:35] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: you get this errors on modprobe? (in dmesg)
[21:35] <juan_> dystopianray: Yeah, I noticed ... but I can't even download FF from adept in Kubuntu?
[21:35] <JoshOvki> juan_: look for firefox3 then
[21:35] <cham_eleon> dany_21a: yes.
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> juan_: kubuntu is not kde/qt
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> *firefos
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> x
[21:35]  * juan_ falls over
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> i mean
[21:35] <spiroo> pascalFR: The ironic thing after yesterday which was when I got final version. Now it works a lot WORSE than beta/RC :D
[21:35] <dystopianray> juan_: sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:36] <juan_> E: Couldn't find package firefox
[21:36] <dystopianray> juan_: sudo apt-get update
[21:36] <juan_> updating my package list
[21:36]  * juan_ crosses fingers
[21:37] <JoshOvki> juan_: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[21:37] <dystopianray> JoshOvki: firefox depends on firefox-3.0
[21:37] <juan_> Thanks Josh, but I don't much care for FF3
[21:37] <pascalFR> spiroo:  hooo :)  can u elaborate  what works worse for example ?
[21:37] <dystopianray> juan_: firefox package is ff3
[21:38] <juan_> ugh
[21:38] <juan_> You're killing me here
[21:38] <juan_> The only reason I moved to Kubuntu is because of the taskbar
[21:39] <dany_21a> cham_eleon: sorry.. no idea - but you could try it in #kernel
[21:39] <juan_> woo there it goes
[21:39] <dystopianray> juan_: what's not to like about firefox 3 anyway?
[21:39] <ariqs> is kubuntu polished? I want KDE more than gnome, but I've herad that KDE isn't really polished for ubuntu. People can be full of shit though :)
[21:39] <juan_> FF3 is nice ... but not all my great addons work for it yet.
[21:39] <JoshOvki> juan_: sudo apt-get install firefox-2  then :)
[21:40] <juan_> ariqs ... it's very pretty
[21:40] <juan_> yeah, downloading ff2 now
[21:40] <JoshOvki> kk :)
[21:40] <dystopianray> ariqs: i think kde works just fine on ubuntu
[21:40] <pascalFR> ff3 seems quicker than ff2 now
[21:40] <juan_> KDE also has the only tabbed FTP client I could find.
[21:41] <dystopianray> ariqs: best way to see is to just try it out
[21:44] <Ahmuck> yes, i don't like firefox3 myself
[21:44] <Ahmuck> no extensions, etc.
[21:44] <juan_> It won't even work with tabs-plus!
[21:44] <Ahmuck> the one extension i do need, not available for ff3
[21:44] <DarkriftX> im trying to disable compiz (i removed the autostart script, but it still starts)
[21:45] <DarkriftX> is there a setting in kde i need to change back?
[21:45] <tekteen> DarkriftX: you need to start kwin
[21:45] <juan_> System - Desktop Effects ?
[21:45] <tekteen> DarkriftX: then logout
[21:45] <DarkriftX> ahhh
[21:45] <tekteen> DarkriftX: next time you login kwin will be there
[21:46] <Ahmuck> how do you get the box model in compiz in kubuntu, where it will rotate?
[21:46] <juan_> yey costa rica server!
[21:47] <pascalFR> I wonder if there is a mean to finely adjust compiz parameters other than   Desktop effects ?
[21:47] <mefisto__> juan_: there is a tabmixplus for ff3, you just have to look around to find it
[21:48] <dystopianray> pascalFR: compiz has it's own settings thing that you can use
[21:48] <tekteen> Ahmuck: go to #compiz-fusion
[21:49] <Ahmuck> dystopianray: in the menu?  or CLi
[21:49] <dystopianray> Ahmuck: it's not installed by default
[21:49] <pascalFR> dystopianray: before hardy  there was a complete GUI to configure compiz
[21:49] <dystopianray> Ahmuck: i don't remember what the package name is though
[21:49] <Ahmuck> dystopianray: yes, i have the same question as pascalFR
[21:49] <dystopianray> pascalFR: it'd be the same gui,you just need to install it
[21:49] <Ahmuck> ok, thx
[21:49] <tekteen> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[21:50] <tekteen> compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[21:50] <dystopianray> compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[21:50]  * Ahmuck wonders why kubuntu did not include a configuration manager for compiz
[21:50] <pascalFR> I thought it was  compizconfig-backend-kconfig
[21:50] <juan_> I like how Kubuntu automatically knew my video driver ... unlike Ubuntu which had to download it.
[21:51] <Ahmuck> Ahmuck: ccsm is the CompizConfig Settings Manager, see: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/CCSM . To install ccsm on Ubuntu Gutsy:  « sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager »
[21:51] <mefisto__> it's compizconfig-settings-manager in gutsy. don't know if the package name has changed
[21:51] <dystopianray> juan_: which driver?
[21:52] <pascalFR> seems to be the same
[21:52] <pascalFR> trying to install on very busy servers :)
[21:53] <juan_> intel media accelerator 950
[21:53] <dystopianray> juan_: that should work on ubuntu too
[21:54] <dystopianray> juan_: you should not have had to install any driver for it
[21:54] <juan_> It "works" but it was obviously laggy
[21:54] <juan_> like it wasn't using hardware acceleration
[21:56] <juan_> Hmmm ... I'm thinking of a file browser ... it's the name of an ancient Viking God...
[21:56] <mefisto__> Ahmuck: what's the one extension you need for ff3?
[21:56] <juan_> Thundar? Thunbar?
[21:56] <ShadowMaster> I just installed kubuntu 8.04 on a system which had grub previously setup as the boot manager for gentoo, vista and winxp. Installed to replace gentoo. Upon restarting post install however i now recieve the error: Missing Operating System, and all information i can find on the forums regarding restoring/installing grub from live CD draws a blank as the find /boot/grub/stage1 finds nothing
[21:56] <mefisto__> thunar
[21:56] <juan_> thanks!
[21:57] <ShadowMaster> iow, im currently stuck with an unbootable system
[21:58] <juan_> That's funny ... can't find wine-doors in Adept ...
[21:58] <pascalFR> dystopianray:  compizconfig-settings-manager  works    thanks
[21:59] <shentey> Hey! I've just installed Kubuntu 8.04. Flash on the live cd worked in konqueror but not installed on hdd. I've also updated plugins. Can anybody help?
[21:59] <dystopianray> juan_: i don't think that's in the repos at all
[21:59] <mefisto__> ShadowMaster: have you tried super grub disk? http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[21:59] <juan_> It was when I was using Ubuntu
[21:59] <ShadowMaster> mefisto__: No, will have a look
[22:00] <juan_> NB: You may need to perform ‘apt-get purge wine-doors’ on debian/ubuntu in order to prevent a preferences clash
[22:00] <juan_> I knew I wasn't crazy
[22:00] <juan_> Are some things missing from Kubuntu adept manager that are in Ubuntu adept manager?
[22:00] <dystopianray> juan_: are you sure you weren't using some other repo to get wine-doors?
[22:00] <juan_> Synaptic
[22:00] <dystopianray> juan_: no, they are both frontends for apt
[22:00] <DarkriftX> ok, got kwin started, and now one of my apps is open, but not visible.. i need to save changes so is there any way i can force it to show? (its not in taskbar or tray)
[22:00] <juan_> ... is this not the same? Synaptic and adept manager?
[22:01] <dystopianray> juan_: there is no wine-doors package in ubuntu at all
[22:01] <juan_> I'd feel pretty stupid if they weren't
[22:01] <dystopianray> juan_: they are two different programs, but are both frontends for apt
[22:01] <juan_> dystopinray: There has to be. I'm too stupid to install it manually.
[22:01] <dystopianray> juan_: there isn't
[22:01] <samuel16> Hello everybody
[22:02] <travioso> anyone else having probs with adept?  it keeps hanging on me when it gets to gutsy-security/restricted..  just started today, no changes to sys
[22:02] <samuel16> I can´t upgrade to Kubuntu 8.04
[22:02] <dystopianray> travioso: the servers will be extremely slow due to hardy having just been released
[22:02] <samuel16> I am using Kubuntu 8.04 Beta
[22:03] <dystopianray> samuel16: you are probably also experiencing slow servers
[22:03] <travioso> gotcha..  i was guessing that one..   downloading via torrent to upgrade..
[22:03] <samuel16> Hmm
[22:04] <samuel16> But I can click on fetch updates but then it would´nt show me the version upgrade button
[22:04] <travioso> clicked on version upgrade and it stalls on the release notes..
[22:05] <juan_> dystopianray: You're right, it's a deb package
[22:05] <dystopianray> samuel16: you're already on 8.04 you won't get a version upgrade, just update your packages like normal and you're done
[22:06] <samuel16> thanks
[22:06] <juan_> I want to kiss whoever added the quick launch to KDE's menu bar
[22:06] <juan_> by god I tried for 3 days to get Gnome to do this
[22:07] <juan_> and here KDE has it as defualt
[22:07] <juan_> default
[22:07] <SlimeyPete> you mean the Favourite bit?
[22:07] <juan_> quicklauncher
[22:07] <timmy_> Hey.. How am I able to reconfigure X? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is too limited
[22:07] <juan_> The thing that is similar to Window's feature
[22:07] <timmy_> and i have to add 1024x758@85hz
[22:07] <juan_> Quick Launch
[22:07] <dystopianray> timmy_: edit xorg.conf directly
[22:08] <timmy_> LOL.. why reconfiguring x-server is always harder with every release
[22:08] <juan_> Gnome sort of did it, but making the task bar bigger simply made the icons bigger and they did not use multiple rows
[22:08] <timmy_> ok.. so i gotta do that and mess up with it.. So where is it located at?
[22:08] <dystopianray> timmy_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:09] <juan_> dystopianray: do you have a long white beard
[22:09] <timmy_> dystopianray: i checked that already
[22:10] <timmy_> Somewhy there is absolutely nothing referring to my resolution
[22:10] <dystopianray> juan_: no, i'm afraid not
[22:10] <dystopianray> although that would be awesome
[22:12] <juan_> There's a way to make Thunar my default file manager in Gnome ... is there something similar for KDE?
[22:12] <kaminix> Anyone know when UIM panel will be available in KDE 4?
[22:12] <tsb> I'm on 8.04 now. Is there any problem installing kde4 alongside with kd3? kde3 would be my working enviroment.
[22:13] <dystopianray> juan_: open konqueror, settings -> configure konqueror, file associations, inode
[22:14] <dystopianray> juan_: you can change the application that handles 'directory' and 'system_directory' by default
[22:14] <juan_> Why shoul I open Konqueror when Dolphin is my file manager?
[22:14] <mefisto__> juan_: I know how to do it in gutsy, but konqueror in hardy may have changed. Konqueror settings > file associations > inode > directory, move the file manager you want to the top of the list
[22:15] <dystopianray> juan_: if dolphin allows you to get to the file association settings, then use that instead
[22:15] <StealthCP> konqueror is not installable, causing problems with dependancies in apt.
[22:15] <StealthCP>  http://pastebin.com/d7f68eff1
[22:15] <mefisto__> juan_: then do the same for system_directory
[22:15] <StealthCP> How can I resolve the problem with installing konqueror?
[22:16] <Elda> Hello
[22:16] <dystopianray> StealthCP: have you run sudo apt-get update ?
[22:17] <StealthCP> Yep.
[22:17] <juan_> mefisto__: thank you sir that worked great
[22:17] <Elda> I am curious.... is it normal for the apt-get to go slowly after a new release? :s
[22:17] <StealthCP> and clean, and everything, konqueror is not instalable, no matter what is done
[22:17] <HunterSThompson> mine is
[22:17] <dystopianray> Elda: yes, thousands of people are trying to use it
[22:17] <StealthCP> the output above shows this.
[22:17] <juan_> Thumar is the only file manager that has compact list just like Windows
[22:17] <Elda> First time updating to a new version... and I decided to go from Kubuntu - Ubuntu and want to make sure I didn't break anything heh
[22:17] <dystopianray> juan_: compact list?
[22:17] <dany_21a> where can i find gnome-compiz-manager under hardy?
[22:17] <Elda> err Ubuntu -> Kubuntu
[22:17] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to allow multiple instances of k3b?  I have two DVD burners in my machines, and I'd like to be able to burn two separate projects at once.
[22:18] <juan_> yes ... instead of showing icons of items in a folder, it shows a list
[22:18] <dany_21a> (or what shall i use under KDE)
[22:18] <juan_> sort of a graphical representation of terminal's ls command
[22:18] <kaminix> tsb: No probs using KDE 4 alongside with KDE 3. Keep the kdm-kde3 though, you'll be given the choice when installing.
[22:18] <aaroncampbell> When I just try to open k3b again, it takes me to the current window and says that it's busy
[22:18] <mefisto__> juan_: konqueror can do compact lists too, it's called multicolumn view
[22:18] <Elda> I'm quite happy with 8.04... first time EVERYTHING has worked out of the box for me lol
[22:18] <kaminix> tsb: Also, be preapared to expand your KMenu enties by two.
[22:18] <juan_> I'm confused ... is Konqueror the web browser or the file manager?
[22:18] <mefisto__> juan_: then make the icons small as possible
[22:19] <Elda> juan I think it's both :s
[22:19] <mefisto__> juan_: konqueror tries to do everything ;)
[22:19] <kaminix> Elda: juan_: It does work as both, and some other things.
[22:19] <dystopianray> juan_: konqueror can do a lot of things
[22:19] <Elda> Ah
[22:19] <StealthCP> Elda, I must agree, there's no time like the present, and I've decided 8.04 is the best yet and is feasible to hand out to Windows users, without having to go over and help them install everything themselves :)
[22:20] <StealthCP> Even restricted packages they may want explain themselves well and are easy to install
[22:20] <Elda> Have been using Ubuntu for a semester or two now, lol
[22:20] <dany_21a> where can i find gnome-compiz-manager under hardy? (or what shall i use to configure compiz under KDE?)
[22:20] <Elda> so was happy/a bit nervous when I heard about 8.04 as it took a lot to get 7.04 perfect xD
[22:20] <Elda> This doesn't even need a dsdt patch \o/
[22:21] <StealthCP> dystopianray, any thoughts?
[22:21] <juan_> ok, now, in Ubuntu I had Pidgion not stay on my list of opened programs, but only the small icon when a new message arrived
[22:21] <juan_> How is this done in KDE?
[22:21] <dystopianray> StealthCP: i'm not sure why you can't install konqueror, it's a very strange error
[22:22] <StealthCP> It appears to be a file conflict
[22:22] <mefisto__> StealthCP: have you tried apt-get instead of aptitude?
[22:22] <dystopianray> juan_: is it something you had to configure within gnome?
[22:22] <StealthCP> from the package kio_umountwrapper, however I doubted any package should have the same two files
[22:22] <Elda> W/ Konqueror would it be worth it to install Fire Fox?
[22:23] <matt_> the newest 8.04 *kde 3 cd won't boot for me. neither would the beta of it. Why? I've checked the md5 sum of it, it checks up. Someone once told me something about burning the disk at a low speed...how low?
[22:23] <dystopianray> matt_: what happens when you try to boot them?
[22:23] <dystopianray> matt_: if the md5sum checks out then slower burning won't do anything
[22:23] <matt_> dystopianray: the kubuntu slidey bar screen comes up, then it goes to a cli with error type things...
[22:23] <StealthCP> mefisto__, I have, I shall try again, just to double check
[22:24] <dystopianray> Elda: konqueror doesn't work with every site properly, i can be useful to have firefox as well
[22:24] <Elda> Okey
[22:24] <matt_> dystopianray: i mean't the md5 of the image, not the disk..
[22:24] <mefisto__> Elda: firefox supports more websites. and has extensions
[22:24] <Elda> Yep
[22:24] <Elda> I adore FF
[22:24] <dystopianray> matt_: check the md5sum of the disk
[22:24] <harolddong> should the rc need to upgrade?
[22:24] <matt_> dystopianray: how do i do that? md5sum /dev/???
[22:24] <harolddong> cause I'm not showing anything
[22:24] <dystopianray> harolddong: yes, there have been updated packages since the rc
[22:24] <Elda> I am also curious how would I go about installing the codecs?
[22:24] <dystopianray> matt_: md5sum /dev/cdrom
[22:24] <dystopianray> Elda: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[22:24] <harolddong> well then how do I get them to show up when I fetch updates?
[22:25] <dystopianray> harolddong: when was the last time you updated?
[22:25] <harolddong> day before yesterday I believe there a few things that updated
[22:25] <juan_> You guys are way more helpful than #ubuntu
[22:26] <juan_> probably because they have 500x more people asking questions at once
[22:26] <StealthCP> http://pastebin.com/d513fd43e
[22:26] <matt_> dystopianray: once i remember someone talking about this problem, yet they said that ubuntu would load. if the md5 checks up right, perhaps i'll try ubuntu latest...
[22:26] <dystopianray> matt_: check the md5sum of the cd before you do anything
[22:26] <Elda> dystopianray, I got an odd message :s
[22:26] <dystopianray> Elda: oh?
[22:27] <Elda> Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package libxine1-ffmpeg has no installation candidate
[22:27] <matt_> dystopianray: doing so right now, like i said....or thought i said :)
[22:27] <juan_> Ok ... I'm trying to get my Audigy sound card to work, but the system's been trying to restart my sound system for 3 minutes now.
[22:27] <matt_> dystopianray: hate to say it, but they're the same...
[22:27] <dystopianray> matt_: it's possible tha tubuntu might load, it might be useful to try it if it's not too much trouble
[22:28] <matt_> dystopianray: hmm...just wondering what the problem is....
[22:28] <dystopianray> juan_: i'd recommend turning off the kde sound system, it's completely crap and the kde sounds are terrible
[22:28] <dystopianray> matt_: hardware incompatibility most likely
[22:28] <freeblowed> why isn't there an official torrent of the 8.04 remix?
[22:28] <matt_> trying to get the 8.04kde3 disk to boot gives me a terminal with error messages after the kubuntu loading screen...
[22:28] <juan_> No I mean I get no sound at all
[22:29] <matt_> dystopianray: but how? i mean...7.10 is working perfectly...
[22:29] <dystopianray> matt_: a regression in 8.04
[22:29] <dystopianray> juan_: does alsamixer work?
[22:29] <dystopianray> juan_: run it in a terminal
[22:29] <juan_> so Disable the Sound System?
[22:29] <matt_> dystopianray: ahhh...right. probably be fixed relatively soon too...
[22:30] <sgrover> I heard dvd playback should work out of the box with Kubuntu... no luck here.... any tips?
[22:30] <matt_> dystopianray: downloading ubuntu...i'll try that (yikes!)
[22:30] <pascalFR> sgrover: regionset
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> sgrover: did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:30] <sgrover> Odd-rationale: hehe that wouldn't be "out of the box" now would it.. LOL
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> sgrover: i should ask, encru=ypted dvd?
[22:30] <Odd-rationale> encrypted
[22:30] <dystopianray> sgrover: install libdvdread3
[22:31] <dystopianray> sgrover: then run this: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[22:31] <dystopianray> sgrover: also instlal libxine1-ffmpeg
[22:31] <sgrover> with Gutsy, yes, I would expect to need to do all that.  But I heard that wasn't necessary with Hardy.
[22:31] <matt_> dystopianray: btw, do you know much about 8.04 over 7.10 SERVER?
[22:31] <mefisto__> juan_: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart       --see if that works
[22:31] <dystopianray> matt_: what do you need help with?
[22:31] <juan_> Weird, my volume icon on my tray disappeared
[22:31] <sgrover> hmm.... maybe I should actually install the 3.59 version.... I installed the remix version (kde4)....
[22:32] <Elda> I did the remix and it works happily for me :s
[22:32] <dystopianray> Elda: you're using kde4?
[22:32] <Elda> Only niggle I had was that if you did the live cd --> install the thing was annoying
[22:32] <Elda> I think it's KDE 4 at least hehe
[22:33] <sgrover> Elda: I did the alternate install have had more luck that way.
[22:33] <Elda> yep
[22:33] <Elda> I did that the second time
[22:33] <Elda> did the direct install and it was fast/easy
[22:33] <sgrover> Elda: if you have the blue wavy background with the big black bar across the bottom, then you have kde4
[22:34] <nexano>  anyone ever used esperanza along with xmms2? im having trouble connecting to my other computer via esperanza :/
[22:34] <Elda> Yep
[22:34] <dreamcoder> i cant beleive i have just spent all day backing up to put a piece of crap like hardy with kde4 on my pc
[22:34] <Elda> I do and I checked the info :D
[22:34] <juan_> dystopianray: Where do I tell Kubuntu what device to use as default sound?
[22:34] <mefisto__> can the kde4 panel colour be changed?
[22:34] <Elda> Version 4.0.3
[22:34] <sgrover> and DVD playback is working for you?
[22:34] <juan_> I'm using a PCI Audigy2 card
[22:34] <matt_> dystopianray: just wondering if it would be "benifitial" to update the 8.04 on my headless home media server...
[22:34] <dystopianray> juan_: you have multiple sound cards?
[22:34] <Elda> have not tried
[22:34] <Elda> let me get one
[22:34] <juan_> Yes ... on motherboard and pci card
[22:35] <dystopianray> matt_: only if you want to take advantage of something new in 8.04
[22:35]  * Elda loves her Kubuntu install so far xD
[22:35] <matt_> dystopianray: but that's what i'm asking, what IS new in the server edition?
[22:35] <dystopianray> Elda: sgrover: it won't work unless you've installed a few packages
[22:35] <utgard1> hey people, where do I report a broken link at  KUbuntu download page ?
[22:35] <Elda> well it detected the cd
[22:35] <Elda> Im trying to figure out how to the codecs
[22:36] <dystopianray> matt_: i don't know what particular server enhancements there are (if any) other than package updates
[22:36] <sgrover> dystopianray: for gutsy, that's a given.  But Hardy was supposedly going to work out of the box.
[22:36] <juan_> Well, onboard sound works ... but not my audigy ... so weird
[22:36] <rickey> hey some of the download severs are down
[22:36] <rickey>  becarefull
[22:36] <dystopianray> sgrover: hardy kde3 maybe
[22:36] <matt_> dystopianray: i'll take a look at the ubuntu
[22:37] <Elda> So
[22:37] <Elda> how do I do codecs? :>
[22:37] <dystopianray> sgrover: and it wasn't supposed to work out of the box it's supposed to bring up a small wizard to install the appropriate codecs and what not for you
[22:37] <sgrover> dystopianray: that's what I'm thinking.  I'm not really happy with 4 yet.  Still seems tooo, um... obscure.
[22:37] <dystopianray> Elda: libxine1-ffmpeg is the codec package, if it won't install then run sudo apt-get update first
[22:37] <sgrover> dystopianray: I tried with a native Ubuntu install earlier - kinda worked... until it couldn't get the codecs cuz the servers are tooooooo hammered today... :)
[22:37] <mefisto__> juan_: asoundconf set-default-card "the-card-you-want"   |   to get the soundcards names, asoundconf list
[22:37] <Elda> doing firefox atm
[22:38] <juan_> What's kde's equivalent to gedit?
[22:39] <mefisto__> juan_: kate or kwrite
[22:39] <dystopianray> juan_: kate
[22:39] <sgrover> kwrite is really kate with a simpler interface.
[22:39] <sgrover> kate has a number of features coders and advanced users will like
[22:39] <mefisto__> kwrite is more like gedit
[22:40] <juan_> thank you ... I just edited my xorg.conf file for my mx400 mouse ... how do I reload it?
[22:40] <sgrover> that sucks!  Have to tell KDE4 twice to close....
[22:40] <dystopianray> juan_: ctrl+alt+backspace (make sure you save any work you have open)
[22:40] <juan_> looks like reloading x
[22:40] <juan_> here goes
[22:41] <sgrover> once from the kmenu, then from the splash it brings up.
[22:43] <taweth> Does anyone know what repositories to use if I want my install to track KDE4 as closely as possible?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuAdditionalRepositories says that there are some unofficial packages, and has some helpful instructions on adding Jonathan Riddell's GPG key, but then it just says to see the main announcements page to find out which repositories to add, which yields no results.
[22:43] <Riddell> taweth: that's out of date, hardy hsa the latest packages
[22:44] <dreamcoder> anyone using gutsy kubuntu DO NOT upgrade to that piece of pooo call hardy with kde it really is poo
[22:44] <taweth> Ah.  Is the 4.0 version of hardy going to continue in upgrading with KDE4, or has it been frozen at its current state until Hardy+1?
[22:45] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: i disagree, 8.04 is significantly better than gutsy, gutsy was a buggy piece of crap
[22:45] <SlimeyPete> I haven't really noticed any differences yet
[22:46] <SlimeyPete> the stuff that used to work still works, the stuff that didn't still doesn't
[22:46] <juan_> Is that why gutsy is not LTS?
[22:46] <dystopianray> juan_: gutsy was never intended to be LTS
[22:46] <dreamcoder> so why is it that i have a reslotion which is wrong the wrong monitor and no gui to correct it?
[22:47] <matt_> dystopianray: i have to say, this torrent is really being overloaded...everyone must be downloading and then starting the installation, 75k/s is terrible. perhaps i'll leave my server running it a few days to help out. i can upgrade my server later...
[22:47] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: x.org is configured incorrectly and nobody has coded up a gui to do it
[22:47] <dystopianray> matt_: i'd consider 75KB/s to be very good
[22:47] <dreamcoder> so thats one MAIN reason to stay with gutsy?
[22:47] <dystopianray> excellent even
[22:48] <juan_> matt_: I got mine in 3 hours today
[22:48] <dreamcoder> i loved gutsy neevr had a problem with it
[22:48] <dreamcoder> will be going back
[22:48] <dreamcoder> i aint a pc tech or anything
[22:48] <juan_> also
[22:48] <dreamcoder> so gui's are important
[22:48] <juan_> I did not use one of the mirrors listed on ubuntu website
[22:48] <matt_> dystopianray: juan_ hmm...well i started it before going to work, kubuntu that is, it was finished. now ubuntu says it'll take about 2  hours...so perhaps it is ok...
[22:48] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: file a bug report
[22:49] <mefisto__> dreamcoder: maybe try restoring your old /etc/X11/xorg.conf file before reinstalling gutsy
[22:49] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: how about just getting someone to help you setup your x.org so you do have the correct resolution?
[22:49] <dreamcoder> i think i will just go back to what i know sorry i dont mean to complain so much just i was so looking forward to gutsy being improved thats all
[22:50] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: a few small additions to xorg.conf will most likely fix it
[22:51] <dreamcoder> yeah but then there is all the programs that i cant select in add/remvoe programs which i want to install
[22:51] <juan_> Are there any must have programs you guys recommend for Kubuntu?
[22:51] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: have you updated your package list?
[22:52] <dystopianray> juan_: it really depends on what you want to do
[22:52] <dreamcoder> how do i do that? i am back on my windows now i was linux only for 8 months until i installed hardy few hrs ago and had to revert to windows
[22:53] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: sudo apt-get update
[22:53] <dystopianray> dreamcoder: that will update the package list, or just open adept and get it to update, just like in gutsy
[22:53] <sgrover> "had" to revert to windows?  Not revert to gutsy???
[22:53] <ScorpKing> i want to upgrade to 8.04 but i din't have enough bandwidth here to download apps. is there a way i can parse my apt-move repo and just run aptitude --download-only <apps-from-my-repo> on a remote box that has the bandtwidth i need?
[22:53] <dreamcoder> gutsy is long gone
[22:53] <dreamcoder> i did a fresh install
[22:54] <harolddong> gutsy is dead
[22:54] <harolddong> burn the gutsy
[22:54] <mefisto__> is there still krandrtray for hardy? maybe dreamcoder could try that as a gui way?
[22:54] <sgrover> just cuz there is new doesn't mean the old is totally dead.  Heck, I still see 5.10 installs around
[22:54] <dystopianray> mefisto__: that won't help
[22:55] <mefisto__> it can change screenres
[22:55] <sgrover> It's a matter of how you use your box, and how comfortable you are working with *nix in general.
[22:56] <harolddong> I just wana burn stuff
[22:56] <mefisto__> harolddong: so burn a kubuntu cd for someone
[22:57] <juan_> this is weird ... why aren't my harddrives listed under /mnt
[22:57] <harolddong> ah the kubuntu channel comes to my aid yet again
[22:57] <flipstar> juan_: look under /media
[22:57] <juan_> only cdrom's there
[22:58] <juan_> Wow ... that is *weird* ... where'd my windows directory get listed
[22:58] <flipstar> juan_: look at systemsettings>advanced>drives then
[22:59] <juan_> why are they under /dev >=[
[23:00] <flipstar> !filesystem | juan_
[23:00] <ubotu> juan_: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[23:00] <mefisto__> juan_: that's hardware devices. you're looking for the mounted filesystem
[23:03]  * juan_ sighs
[23:03] <juan_> !filesystem
[23:03] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[23:03] <juan_> oh haha
[23:04] <PascalFR> !audacity
[23:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audacity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:05] <yuuki_> can anyone confirm this ? just install hardy (dvd version) and there is no splashscreen setting for kde
[23:05] <yuuki_> in system settings or kcontrol
[23:05] <poseidon> What is the difference between regular HH and KDE 4 Remix?  Does the regular kubuntu 8.04 come with kde 3?
[23:06] <aaroncampbell> I was part way through a dist upgrade ("fetching the upgrades"), and it kicked me out to the KDE login screen.  I logged back in, and the upgrade process was gone.  I re-opened Adept Manager, and the version upgrade button is gone, but it says that I have 1024 upgradable packages.  If I just upgrade them will everything work OK?
[23:06] <aaroncampbell> poseidon: KDE3 vs KDE4
[23:06] <juan_> Wow ... another different between KDE and Gnome ... in Gnome I can easily access my Windows drive and read/write to it.
[23:06] <poseidon> aaroncampbell k thanks
[23:07] <ariqs> you can't do that in KDE, juan?
[23:07] <mefisto__> juan_: do you have gnome installed? is it just kde that can't see the windows disk?
[23:07] <ScorpKing> phew. it's madness in #ubuntu
[23:08] <juan_> I over-wrote Ubuntu with Kubuntu
[23:08] <juan_> ntfs-3g is installed
[23:08] <mefisto__> juan_: look for ntfs configuration tool in kmenu
[23:09] <MrUnagi> what the heck is kubuntu remix
[23:09] <ek> Anyone here know what KDE uses to check if there is a CD in the CDROM device before it's mounted?
[23:10] <nexus> its KD4
[23:10] <MrUnagi> is kde 4 not ready?
[23:11] <MrUnagi> its says edgier
[23:12] <MrUnagi> why did they have to make this difficult
[23:12] <juan_> yeyyy got it working
[23:12] <nexus> KDE4 isint ready no
[23:12] <nexus> thats why its a "remix"
[23:12] <MrUnagi> wow
[23:12] <nexus> its not stable yet
[23:12] <MrUnagi> when is it suppose to be ready
[23:14] <juan_> You guys have been a great help to this complete newbie
[23:17] <mefisto__> juan_: so windows disk is in /media now?
[23:18] <juan_> no
[23:18] <juan_> it's /sda1
[23:19] <juan_> after I enabled it
[23:19] <juan_> Kubuntu makes me think .
[23:19] <juan_> where's the feature to turn that off
[23:19] <mefisto__> you mean /media/sda1 right?
[23:19] <juan_> no
[23:19] <juan_> It's mounted in /sda1
[23:19] <juan_> I think I told it to do that right now when I enabled it
[23:19] <juan_> Fine with me
[23:20] <mefisto__> a new folder at root level? not a good idea. k/ubuntu uses /media normally for mounting disks
[23:20] <juan_> Why does it matter if it's at / or /media?
[23:21] <juan_> I've always seen it in /mnt ... never in /media btw
[23:21] <mefisto__> kde (and gnome too, I think) expects disks mounted in /media. some gui friendliness won't work right
[23:21] <ScorpKing> what is the direct link for the desktop iso torrent?
[23:22] <cbr> when will the ibex repo be opened?
[23:23] <daemon3> Are there instructions for upgrading Ubuntu from a live disc?
[23:23] <daemon3> I'm googling.
[23:23] <juan_> I've got to say, Wine-doors is the best thing ever
[23:23] <mefisto__> daemon3: I think if you just put the cd in it will ask you if you want to upgrade
[23:24] <daemon3> No.  It doesn't.
[23:24] <daemon3> Please don't tell me I got the wrong package.
[23:25] <BonesolTeraDyne> daemon3: I thought there was an "Upgrade" option on the boot menu for the liveCD
[23:25] <mefisto__> daemon3: kdesu "/cdrom/cdromupgrade"
[23:25] <BonesolTeraDyne> s/of/for
[23:25] <xmd> what command should i use to update my kubuntu 7.10 with the latest updates(NOT upgrade)? The apt update manager freezes everytime i open it
[23:26] <mefisto__> xmd: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:26] <daemon3> I thought there was an upgrade option, too.
[23:27] <ronnie> not sure if i loaded the right version?, hearty with kde4 a beta, do I want kde3.5.9 ?
[23:27] <juan_> yes you want kde 3
[23:27] <ronnie> k thx
[23:28] <mefisto__> daemon3: are you running from livecd or from a gutsy install?
[23:28] <daemon3> Yes.
[23:28] <mefisto__> ??? which?
[23:28] <juan_> heehee
[23:29] <daemon3> Oh, from a gutsy install.
[23:29] <ronnie> umm, where do I look to see what version I installed? system settings?
[23:29] <mefisto__> and kdesu "/cdrom/cdromupgrade" doesn't start upgrade? that's what it says here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:30] <mefisto__> ahh, only from alternate install cd, daemon3
[23:30] <xmd> mefisto__:  vel now i did that but it didnt start the download only the list were downloaded...
[23:31] <duri> is there a mirror for kubuntu 8.04 kde remix in the US ?
[23:32] <mefisto__> xmd: you're probably up-to-date, unless you want to upgrade to 8.04
[23:32] <xmd> vel no iam not..
[23:32] <daemon3> I suppose I have to download the ISO all over again. :(
[23:32] <xmd> mefisto__: i installed kubuntu now 10 min ago.. 250 mb should be downloaded but cant start the apt because crashes immidiately
[23:33]  * ScorpKing found the torrent..
[23:33] <nirpius> anyone know how to update to kde4 version throguh adept?
[23:33] <ScorpKing> nite guys
[23:33] <mefisto__> xmd: does "sudo apt-get upgrade" give you any errors?
[23:34] <xmd> mefisto__: i wont install hardy because doesnt work when comes fore wireless only wants to update the current system
[23:34] <aib> Suddenly Kmix says that "Mixer cannot be found". I haven't changed anything with the exception of nightly updates. I can see my sound card in lspci: `00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)'
[23:34] <MilitantPotato> can someone pastebin their hardy menu.lst ?
[23:34] <aib> how can I troubleshoot this? i have no idea how to troubleshoot the sound system
[23:35] <flipstar> MilitantPotato: http://pastebin.com/m34830e6b
[23:37] <xmd> mefisto__: it works now :) iam updating via terminal thanks alot!!!!!
[23:37] <ronnie> I disabled my intel onboard sound from the utility screen, otherwise it seem to read one or the other (soundcard) when booting up,
[23:37] <MilitantPotato> flipstar: thanks
[23:38] <BonesolTeraDyne> This is interesting. I ran the MD5SUMs for the ISO of both the x86 and x64 against their respective downloads. They came up fine. I burned them, but when I boot into LiveCD mode, it gives me a BusyBox shell.
[23:38] <matt_> ok...so after trying both kubuntu and ubuntu 8.04, neither boot on my system. But I'm using 7.10 kubuntu right now..
[23:39] <BonesolTeraDyne> There's no way to access the memtest, alt install, or anything. It all comes up with the BusyBox prompt
[23:39] <BonesolTeraDyne> Whoops. I should note that I'm talking about the 8.04 LiveCDs
[23:40] <MilitantPotato> how do I determine a partitions UUID?
[23:41] <crimsun> MilitantPotato: vol_id -u
[23:42] <ronnie> did I load the right thing?, if it said mirror is that the wrong link for x86 older desktops?
[23:44] <DirkGently> ronnie: i386 is the right version
[23:45] <DirkGently> err... how old?
[23:45] <mot_> err
[23:45] <aib> Kmix is not detecting my sound card. What should I do?
[23:45] <mot_> why does the cd upgrade still retrieve packages from the internet?
[23:46] <ronnie> ok so what if it said mirror dosent mean a thing, its an old ibm netvista desktop
[23:46] <mot_> even though i told i didn't want it to check for the latest upgrades, i just wanted it to do the 8.04 upgrade from the cd
[23:46] <mot_> now here it is putzing along at like 110kb/s
[23:47] <DirkGently> ronnie: mirrors are copies of the canonical websites
[23:47] <ronnie> ok thx *whew* still the right one, good
[23:47] <DirkGently> the mirrors are there to take the load and make it quicker for users local to the mirror hosting companies
[23:48] <MilitantPotato> mot_: I had to open adept, disable all sources except the CD-Rom for 8.04
[23:48] <mot_> well.. it's already downloading packages
[23:48] <mot_> so it wouldn't be wise to interrupt it would it?
[23:48] <MilitantPotato> mot_: yea, i'd let it be.
[23:49] <mot_> meh i don't see why it would use external sources
[23:49] <DirkGently> mot_: you can cancel, change sources and start again
[23:49] <ronnie> im on it now (hearty) where can I easliy see its not kde4,
[23:49] <mot_> disable all sources 'cept cd yea?
[23:49] <DirkGently> as long as you update the source
[23:49] <MilitantPotato> uhm, how Do i rebuild grub?
[23:49] <DirkGently> mot_: yes
[23:50] <DirkGently> then "update"
[23:50] <DirkGently> not sure how you do that in adept
[23:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> what's the command to burn an iso to CD from the terminal? I borked Xorg somehow, but since I'm reinstalling with Hardy, I just want to get it done from the CLI.
[23:50] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[23:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:50] <DirkGently> I know it as apt-get update
[23:50] <ere4si> !iso
[23:50] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[23:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> !burning
[23:50] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[23:51] <phxfr> hu
[23:51] <phxfr> -hu +hi
[23:51] <phxfr> I'm updating my kubuntu, so know I don't have the problem anymore
[23:52] <DirkGently> phxfr: what problem?
[23:52] <phxfr> but how to force adept to use a sources.list mirror instead of archive.ubuntu.com
[23:52] <phxfr> when I'm upgrading
[23:53] <DirkGently> phxfr: change sources
[23:53] <phxfr> I didi find where adpet put its tmp files
[23:53] <ronnie> when I went to (install-packages) nothing seem to be there, do I have to enable choices someplace?
[23:53] <MilitantPotato> I've managed to destroy /boot, if i delete that directory, can I rebuild it?
[23:53] <DirkGently> adept should have the sources configured somewhere
[23:54] <DirkGently> MilitantPotato: destroy it how?
[23:54] <ronnie> k thx, = )
[23:54] <MilitantPotato> DirkGently: copied a /boot/grub from a 7.10 install, missed a sub directory
[23:54] <mkz> like so many others today I've just installed kubuntu hardy.  I'm about to install firefox via aptitude and I'm finding that the default is to install firefox-3.0. Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to run bother ff2 and ff3?  I do web developing and haven't been exposed to ff3 yet.
[23:55] <tvakah> MilitantPotato, I'd say mark all packages that own files in /boot for reinstall ( using aptitude would be my choice )
[23:55] <shadowhywind> hay all, why if i am running Ubuntu 8.04 (cat /etc/issue), but my grub lists says development branch, do i just have to wait for anew kernel?
[23:55] <juan_> hi mkz: I was just in your same bind
[23:55] <juan_> run Adept Manager
[23:55] <phxfr> DirkGently: I wanted to say adept where to get ReleaseAnnouncement && hardy.tar.gz
[23:55] <juan_> and search for "firefox', there should be a firefox 2 option.
[23:55] <mot_> shadowhywind, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:55] <mot_> and you can change what your boot list says :P
[23:56] <shadowhywind> mot_ hehe thats what i was thinking, just didn't want to be running the development branch when the full version is out. But that looks like the only thing, hehe
[23:56] <billyd> Will Hardy ever come with KDE 4.0??
[23:56] <mot_> it does come with kde 4.0 if i'm not mistaken
[23:56] <mkz> juan_: yes, I find firefox-2.  I guess my question is: is there any reason I can't use both?  As a web developer I will eventually have to support ff3.  I guess I just wanted to know if anyone else is using both ff2 and bb3
[23:56] <mot_> 4.0.1 actually
[23:56] <Tm_T> it already did, billyd
[23:56] <praWned> hey all. im trying to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10 following the upgrade instructions on the kubuntu site. But, upon trying to retrieve the ReleaseAnnouncement notes, it just times. Tried a wget too, same thing, cant continue without downloading the file
[23:56] <mot_> i'd wait for 4.1 though
[23:57] <juan_> yes you can install both
[23:57] <gnomefreak> billyd: it has seperate iso for 4.0
[23:57] <juan_> they'll both have seperate links in your internet menu
[23:57] <tvakah> anyone know much about the lvm encryption option with the alternate installer?
[23:57] <mot_> ah
[23:57] <ere4si> praWned: the servers are overloaded atm
[23:57] <mkz> praWned: use torrent.  I managed to get mine in under and hour.
[23:57] <praWned> to get one document?
[23:58] <mkz> praWned: maybe I misunderstood.  It took me under and hour to get the entire iso.
[23:58] <billyd> I''ll probably go to LogOn Cafe and use their semi-hi-speed to upgrade from 7.04 to 8.04.  DVD of 7.10 seems to have a probablem as afar as Apt goes
[23:58] <juan_> google kubuntu mirror
[23:58] <juan_> there's a site that's barely being used ... downloaded mine directly @ 500KB/s today
[23:59] <billyd> I downloaded the 7.10 ISO at LogOn in about 25 minutes
[23:59] <praWned> ah. im upgrading from 7.10...havent started the dl of files yet. it times on dl the release document
[23:59] <praWned> ah it just came :)